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Last year, we followed
President Obama
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as he made history
becoming the first
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sitting US President
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to actually enter
a federal prison.
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- How y'all doing?
- Alright.
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- How you doing, sir?
- Alright.
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Now, our special
report focused on men
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caught up in the system's
harsh treatment
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of non-violent
drug offenders,
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but lost in the debate
is the fact that
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women are actually
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the fastest-growing
population
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of inmates in America.
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Face the wall, please.
Face the wall.
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Hands on the wall.
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You need to be leaning
into the wall!
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If you're not leaning,
you and me have a problem.
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The Bexar
County Jail houses
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around 600 women
at any given time.
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They gave us access
to their intake process
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as a group of women
were being booked in.
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Since 1980,
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the number of women
incarcerated in America
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has increased by more than 700%.
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Congresswoman
Karen Bass has watched
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as the population of
American women behind bars
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has grown to be
the largest in the world.
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Do you think that there's
enough momentum
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behind criminal justice reform
for incarcerated women?
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I do not believe there's
enough momentum right now.
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What I have found is
my-- my colleagues
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were very enthusiastic
around criminal justice reform,
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and as they moved forward,
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did not recognize that they
were not including women.
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It was an oversight
due to lack of understanding.
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Women go to prison for very
different reasons than men.
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The overwhelming
majority of women
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are there for
non-violent crimes.
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The average woman
that winds up incarcerated,
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her pathway to incarceration
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is a long line of abuse
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that is never dealt with,
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and then she winds up
getting trapped
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in the criminal justice system.
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We wanted to
know what it was like
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for the unprecedented number
of women now trapped inside,
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and to see how the system
itself was coping.
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Do not remove your hands.
Do you understand me? - Yep.
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Yes, ma'am.
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How do you normally
treat the intakes?
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The people coming in?
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Well, with the intakes,
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I'm a lot more stern
with the intakes.
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Cause I need to set an attitude.
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If you come in,
and I'm all smiley,
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you're gonna be glad to be here.
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I don't want you
to be glad to be here.
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Get back out of the doorway!
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There's a whole cell
back there. Use it!
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Male offenders are processed
in the same facility as women.
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Both populations have
increased so dramatically,
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that Bexar County has opened
multiple new housing units.
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I've seen some
people get hurt in this place.
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Officers and inmates.
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Women are just as bad as the men.
Yeah?
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I've been--
I've been attacked
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by women more than once.
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Which is kind of scary.
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And it's your jail policy
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for everyone to be
wearing a-a uniform?
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We are about to spend
the night in the jail.
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Nothing's allowed in.
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All jewelery off,
hair bands, everything...
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that could potentially be
used as a weapon.
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Hi, ladies.
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Hey.
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So, this is it, I guess.
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Uh...
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I've got a blanket inside,
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although it's pretty
hot in here.
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Pretty gross-looking sheet,
which I think is the bed sheet,
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and this, which is toiletries.
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Is this all the
toiletries you guys get?
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Is it tough, you know, like...
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peeing and going to the toilet
in front of everyone? No.
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Yeah, you're just here!
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You've got a perfect
viewing platform.
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Are some of you guys
in here for the same reason?
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What kind of reasons?
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What are you in here for?
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How long were you using for?
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- Mm-hmm.
- Yeah.
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Is this your first time in here?
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Someone needs the toilet?
Alright, we'll move out.
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This is lights out?
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It's super bright in here.
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It's gonna be really
frigging hard to sleep.
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After barely three hours,
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the lights were on again.
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It's 3:30 in the morning.
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Officers have just
woken everyone up
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to serve breakfast.
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I think so that they can stagger
it throughout the jail.
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Meals are served in shifts
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in an attempt to deal
with the sheer number
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of non-violent offenders
now crowding the cells.
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My charge is felony possession
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of a controlled substance
under a gram.
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It was tampering
with government records,
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and I had a fake ID.
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Making checks, writing checks.
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ID stuff.
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Prostitution.
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- It's all money.
- Mmm.
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And then money leading to drugs.
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How many addicts
are there in here?
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Most are. - I think everybody's
an addict in some way.
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Since many laws
require mandatory
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minimum sentences
for drug crimes,
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judges like Nancy Gertner
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find they fail to
take into account
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the specific
circumstances of women.
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The factors in the system
distorted the sentencing.
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It's not just that women got
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higher sentences
than they should have.
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It is that sometimes they
got higher sentences than men.
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You rarely found
women at the top
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of a drug conspiracy.
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They were more often
at the very, very bottom,
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because they were being
abused by the head honcho.
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So, a woman gets
a very large sentence,
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because she's associated
with the drugs in some way.
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She could not cooperate against
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the man on the rung above her.
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It-- it--
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It is-- It's a criminal
justice policy
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that was, sort of, profoundly,
profoundly irrational,
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and it was very difficult
to be a judge
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meting out these sentences
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when you wanted to say
something different.
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Because of these pervasive
mandatory minimum guidelines,
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one of which was reinstated
in Indiana in 2016
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by then-governor Mike Pence,
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non-violent offenders end up
serving lengthy sentences
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in federal or state prisons.
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We're here in Indianapolis
at the Indiana Women's Prison,
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which is actually the oldest
women's facility in the country.
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It's currently running
at pretty much full capacity,
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so we're gonna head in
and meet some of the offenders.
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All right.
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With so many crimes
revolving around drugs,
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the effects of
mandatory minimums
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are felt throughout
the facility.
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Do you mind me asking what
your sentence is for?
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Uh, manufacturing
meth, dealing meth,
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and I get a total of 58 years.
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- 58 years?
- Yeah.
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That's what your original
sentence was for or...? - Yeah.
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I have more time than
some people here for murder.
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I have more years than they
do in-- in total amount.
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Resigned to long
periods of time behind bars,
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women make do
with what they can.
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- So these are cards that people have
sent you? - These are cards, yeah.
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It's girly!
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What other kind
of stuff do you get?
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Well, we make hairspray
with Jolly Ranchers.
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I just-- Yeah.
You made it yourself?
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Is it easy to get
hold of tampons and stuff?
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That works?
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Alright, ladies, this is a
stand-up or sit-down count!
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But feminine hygiene
barely scratches the surface
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of the inmates' concerns.
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Over 70% of
incarcerated women
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suffer from mental illness,
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and with inadequate mental
health resources inside prisons,
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the solitary confinement unit
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is becoming a De facto
mental hospital.
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So, we're just walking along
the restrictive housing unit,
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which houses about
25 women here.
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You can see two women out
here are on suicide watch.
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These women are on
four-hour shift rotations,
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and they're checking in
every few minutes
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to check that no one
has killed themselves.
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For officers
like Lieutenant Spells,
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guarding mentally ill women
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has become a major part of
their responsibilities.
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How many of the women here are
suffering from mental health problems?
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Pretty much gonna
be all of them.
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This unit holds 25.
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I've been here
for a while, 18 years.
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At one time, we used to have just,
maybe, like a couple of 'em.
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But the ones that's
coming in here,
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you know, throughout the years,
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- is more mental issues.
- Mm-hmm.
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What's the hardest
part about your job?
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A lot of times they have kids.
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Then, you know, when
they come in to visit,
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the kids are crying, and...
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I just really feel
sorry for the kids.
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Around 60% of women in
state prisons are mothers.
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Some of whom enter the
system while pregnant.
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Charissa didn't know
she was pregnant
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when, she says,
she violated her parole
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by smoking marijuana.
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Now, she's facing
the sobering reality
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of giving birth behind bars.
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Can you talk me through the
process of what happens
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when you go to give birth?
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I know that I can only stay
24 hours with my baby.
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Once you're there for 24 hours,
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the family-- or whoever
you have, the caregiver--
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- will pick up the baby.
- Mm-hmm.
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What do you think that's gonna
be like coming back here
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to the prison after 24
hours, after given birth?
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It's gonna be--
I'm gonna be a mess.
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Not being able to have
that bond with my kid,
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and having somebody else
take care of my baby.
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Though Charissa
didn't qualify,
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Indiana does run one of a
few programs in the country
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that allows select
non-violent offenders
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to keep their newborns
in prison with them
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for a period of up to 18 months.
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How old is she?
She is nine months.
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You were in here
when you gave birth?
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Yes, I went to the hospital,
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and I had to have a emergency
C-section with her,
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because I went early with her,
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so, she's my
little early-comer.
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And how was that,
giving birth there?
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We was handcuffed
to the bed by just one arm
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when the C-section
was happening,
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and your legs are
shackled to the bed.
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Whilst the C-section's
happening? That's--
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Yeah. - Like that's the point when
you're gonna run away.
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I know, right!
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Yeah!
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It's tough. It's tough...
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but it's worth it.
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I can't imagine...
having my baby,
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and then the next day,
giving her up.
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Some people don't have families,
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so they have to give it to...
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foster care.
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You know, you don't
know them people.
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You don't know who's
taking care of your child.
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In fact, incarcerated mothers
with children in foster care
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risk losing them permanently,
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because of a law called the
Adoption and Safe Families Act.
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It stipulates that any parent
with a child in foster care
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for 15 out of 22 months
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loses permanent custody.
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But the vast majority of primary
caregivers are mothers.
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This leaves women, like Nakita,
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in a race against time
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to retain their parental rights.
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Oh, he's so handsome! That's
him when he was younger.
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This is all him up here?
Yeah, yeah.
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Uh-huh.
You must be happy.
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Nakita is serving the
remainder of her sentence
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in a halfway house,
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where she's allowed to leave
to go to and from work,
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but has limited access
to her son, Antonio.
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Where's your son now?
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He's been in foster care
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since I turned myself in
in February.
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How's that been?
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Oh! Hmm.
285
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Me and my son ain't never been
separated from each other,
286
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so this is our first time.
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He don't understand it.
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All he know is
mommy's not there, and...
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we done had
an episode with my son
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trying to kill hisself,
because...
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he felt like...
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I left him, and... didn't
nobody want him, so...
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He was in a mental hospital
for about three weeks.
294
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And how old is he?
He'll be nine in October.
295
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If I don't get a early release,
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I will be here
until August 2017.
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So, whether or not
you get your son back
298
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depends on whether or not you
get an early release from here.
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Yeah.
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Like Nakita, most
incarcerated women are mothers,
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which leaves hundreds
of thousands of children
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without their primary caregivers
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and vulnerable
to the cycle itself.
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What are the
legislations that you think
305
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need to be passed
on a national level
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to address women who are
entering the justice system?
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Well, I think we need to get
rid of mandatory minimums.
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I think we need to, um...
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increase resources in prisons.
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I also think, because
of all of these years
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of mass incarceration,
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now our society needs to build
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an entire layer
of support services
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for people when they come out,
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so that they
don't re-offend.
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We are ones to clamor
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about human rights
in other countries,
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and I think we need to examine
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the human rights issue
right here in the United States,
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and I think we should
start with our prison system.
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Art has become one
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of the hottest commodities
on the planet.
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International art sales
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topped $45 billion
last year alone.
325
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and high-end works
consistently
326
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have seen better
long-term results
327
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than investments
like gold or silver.
328
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Picasso's "Le Reve"
sold for $155 million.
329
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Up over 200%.
330
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But all of that value,
331
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depends on whether
the work itself
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can be verified as genuine,
333
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and in the case of prolific
artists like Andy Warhol,
334
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determining which pieces
are real and which are fake,
335
00:18:10,453 --> 00:18:12,319
is a controversial decision
336
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that could be worth millions.
337
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In the 1960s,
338
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Andy Warhol changed
the very definition of art
339
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and what it means
to be an artist.
340
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Andy, a Canadian
government spokesman said,
341
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that your art could
not be described
342
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as original sculpture.
343
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- Would you agree with that?
- Uh, yes.
344
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Why not
create something new?
345
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Uh, because it's easier to do.
346
00:18:36,378 --> 00:18:38,145
Warhol's methods--
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removing the artist's hand
348
00:18:39,648 --> 00:18:41,816
and industrializing
the creative process --
349
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was revolutionary.
350
00:18:43,518 --> 00:18:46,552
I spoke to Warhol's close
friend, Joe Simon-Whelan,
351
00:18:46,587 --> 00:18:47,854
about Andy's world.
352
00:18:47,890 --> 00:18:50,623
By the time I met him, everything
was moving so fast for him.
353
00:18:50,659 --> 00:18:52,392
I mean, he was turning
out a film a week.
354
00:18:52,426 --> 00:18:54,227
He was managing
Velvet Underground.
355
00:18:54,261 --> 00:18:56,296
He wasn't so much into painting.
356
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The concept of the--
of the piece, he liked,
357
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but the actual making of it,
he didn't like,
358
00:19:01,868 --> 00:19:05,269
and, um, he was very open
to having others make the work.
359
00:19:05,306 --> 00:19:07,239
He used to call it
"art by telephone."
360
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He would call his
off-site ventures,
361
00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:12,243
and say, "Okay, I need,
you know, ten of these."
362
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They would make ten,
give 'em to Andy,
363
00:19:14,048 --> 00:19:15,714
then he would roll 'em
out for the client,
364
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:17,882
and say, "Whoo! Voila,
they're all made."
365
00:19:17,917 --> 00:19:19,416
Meanwhile, downtown...
366
00:19:19,451 --> 00:19:22,886
they're just, you know,
just drinking whiskey,
367
00:19:22,923 --> 00:19:25,155
doing whatever they're doing.
Making extra prints.
368
00:19:25,192 --> 00:19:27,791
Don't you think he would have liked
the idea that there could have been
369
00:19:27,827 --> 00:19:29,292
thousands of these prints made,
370
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and maybe even prints made,
you know, after his death.
371
00:19:31,698 --> 00:19:33,564
Actually, he--
he would have liked it,
372
00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:36,532
but his-- certainly his dealers
and his salespeople didn't.
373
00:19:36,567 --> 00:19:39,135
When Joe got the
chance to buy his own Warhol,
374
00:19:39,171 --> 00:19:40,470
he was positive it was real.
375
00:19:40,505 --> 00:19:43,506
The reason I bought
my painting after Andy died
376
00:19:43,541 --> 00:19:44,641
is cause I thought it was
377
00:19:44,675 --> 00:19:46,710
authenticated by the
executor of his estate.
378
00:19:46,746 --> 00:19:49,378
It's on the cover of the
catalogue raisonné of 1970,
379
00:19:49,413 --> 00:19:51,881
which pretty much
covered all of Warhol's work,
380
00:19:51,915 --> 00:19:54,583
so I thought, "Great,
providence, wonderful work."
381
00:19:54,618 --> 00:19:56,719
Joe's friend
and art dealer,
382
00:19:56,755 --> 00:19:59,355
Michael Hue-Williams,
arranged the sale.
383
00:19:59,390 --> 00:20:01,257
In the case of the
"Red Self Portraits,"
384
00:20:01,291 --> 00:20:04,126
I sold that painting
to Joe Simon.
385
00:20:04,162 --> 00:20:09,096
It had a hand-written authentification
on it by Fred Hughes.
386
00:20:09,133 --> 00:20:13,567
Written at a time when Fred
was the only authority.
387
00:20:13,603 --> 00:20:15,636
He was the sole executor
of Andy's estate.
388
00:20:15,672 --> 00:20:18,240
I asked Fred about the painting,
389
00:20:18,275 --> 00:20:21,342
and he said, "Yes, but I've already
written on the back of the painting.
390
00:20:21,377 --> 00:20:22,410
It is a Warhol."
391
00:20:22,444 --> 00:20:24,878
For me, that's it.
That's the end of the story.
392
00:20:24,913 --> 00:20:28,214
After owning his "Red
Self Portrait" for 12 years,
393
00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:30,183
Joe decided to sell it,
394
00:20:30,219 --> 00:20:32,286
but first he was required
to get it verified
395
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,088
by the Warhol Foundation's
Authentication Board.
396
00:20:35,124 --> 00:20:38,826
So, you submitted the
painting for authentication?
397
00:20:38,861 --> 00:20:41,194
And what happened
to the painting then?
398
00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:44,430
Well, it came back with this
nasty stamp on the back,
399
00:20:44,464 --> 00:20:46,132
saying "Denied.
400
00:20:46,167 --> 00:20:47,767
This is not by Andy Warhol."
401
00:20:47,802 --> 00:20:49,802
Sorry, they stamped
the word "Denied"
402
00:20:49,837 --> 00:20:51,003
with ink onto the painting?
403
00:20:51,038 --> 00:20:53,807
The back of the painting? Which
seeped through the picture.
404
00:20:53,842 --> 00:20:55,107
It was very naughty.
405
00:20:55,143 --> 00:20:56,709
So what do you think decides
406
00:20:56,743 --> 00:20:59,544
which pieces get authenticated
and which get denied?
407
00:20:59,578 --> 00:21:01,746
Whatever makes the most money.
408
00:21:01,781 --> 00:21:06,050
At some point, you had
to step down from the battle.
409
00:21:06,086 --> 00:21:08,385
You know, they said, publicly,
410
00:21:08,422 --> 00:21:09,922
"We won't stop."
411
00:21:09,957 --> 00:21:12,958
This is like a beast
that's just rolling upon itself.
412
00:21:12,992 --> 00:21:14,692
I mean, it's a--
it's a commodity,
413
00:21:14,728 --> 00:21:17,161
and people don't want
to see it collapse,
414
00:21:17,196 --> 00:21:19,931
so people will protect that.
415
00:21:19,965 --> 00:21:21,898
This battle
was a direct result
416
00:21:21,934 --> 00:21:24,468
of Warhol's own process,
limiting the role
417
00:21:24,502 --> 00:21:25,970
of the artist in the
making of the art.
418
00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:30,208
As Warhol's work became some of
the most expensive in the world,
419
00:21:30,242 --> 00:21:33,375
the stakes of authentication
increased drastically.
420
00:21:33,411 --> 00:21:35,846
I met with British artist,
Paul Stephenson,
421
00:21:35,881 --> 00:21:37,247
and leading art market analyst,
422
00:21:37,281 --> 00:21:39,481
Marion Maneker, to discuss this.
423
00:21:39,517 --> 00:21:42,684
Many people date the
current art market
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00:21:42,721 --> 00:21:44,054
from 1998,
425
00:21:44,088 --> 00:21:48,090
when the "Orange Marilyn"
was sold at auction
426
00:21:48,125 --> 00:21:49,358
for a record price.
427
00:21:49,394 --> 00:21:53,095
That sort of woke up the world
to the value of these works.
428
00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,029
The first phase
of this market run-up
429
00:21:55,066 --> 00:21:57,699
from about 2004 to 2007,
430
00:21:57,734 --> 00:21:59,534
Warhol led the way.
431
00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,635
There are buyers in Asia.
432
00:22:01,672 --> 00:22:03,404
There are buyers
in South America.
433
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,441
There are buyers
in the gulf states.
434
00:22:06,477 --> 00:22:09,542
It has an appeal that
very few other artists do.
435
00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:12,145
Warhol was the first artist
who was talking about
436
00:22:12,182 --> 00:22:14,214
what makes a Warhol,
his own authenticity.
437
00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:16,717
And that's one of the issues
with the art market.
438
00:22:16,752 --> 00:22:17,951
Are these actual works?
439
00:22:17,988 --> 00:22:21,821
Or are these copies because he
wasn't there to approve them?
440
00:22:21,857 --> 00:22:24,023
With individual
Warhol's now selling
441
00:22:24,058 --> 00:22:25,592
in the tens of millions,
442
00:22:25,626 --> 00:22:26,960
we asked Donald Sheridan,
443
00:22:26,996 --> 00:22:29,096
who made many of the
artist's prints,
444
00:22:29,131 --> 00:22:31,298
what makes a real Warhol.
445
00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:32,798
These are the
Retrospective Series.
446
00:22:32,834 --> 00:22:36,336
So they're Warhol revisiting
his most iconic images.
447
00:22:36,372 --> 00:22:39,672
Who decided that the
acetates would be in those positions?
448
00:22:39,708 --> 00:22:41,440
You know, anybody
who was working there,
449
00:22:41,474 --> 00:22:44,742
we were basically
allowed to play.
450
00:22:44,778 --> 00:22:46,545
He didn't take the picture.
451
00:22:46,579 --> 00:22:47,813
He didn't choose
this color scheme.
452
00:22:47,847 --> 00:22:49,382
You decided the composition,
453
00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:51,017
and then you guys printed it...
454
00:22:51,051 --> 00:22:52,218
- on your own?
- Yeah.
455
00:22:52,252 --> 00:22:55,020
- That could still be a Warhol?
- Oh, yeah.
456
00:22:55,056 --> 00:22:57,423
He knew it was
gonna be a Warhol,
457
00:22:57,458 --> 00:22:58,890
Andy did, you know.
458
00:22:58,925 --> 00:23:01,425
He knew that we could
give him good Warhols.
459
00:23:01,461 --> 00:23:03,127
"Just make it pretty."
460
00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,194
And you gave good Warhol?
461
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:06,230
Yes.
462
00:23:08,468 --> 00:23:09,866
Because Warhol wasn't there
463
00:23:09,903 --> 00:23:11,435
when many of his works
were made,
464
00:23:11,471 --> 00:23:13,203
we wanted to see
if we could make a Warhol
465
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,439
30 years after
the artist's death,
466
00:23:15,473 --> 00:23:16,539
using the original acetates
467
00:23:16,575 --> 00:23:19,343
that were used in some
of his most iconic works.
468
00:23:19,377 --> 00:23:21,811
Warhol's
"Jackie" was a photograph
469
00:23:21,846 --> 00:23:24,614
taken by Jacques Lowe
in Hyannis Port,
470
00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:26,416
then appropriated by Warhol,
471
00:23:26,451 --> 00:23:29,118
and then he had it enlarged
into this size acetate.
472
00:23:29,154 --> 00:23:31,488
At that point, he worked
on this acetate by hand,
473
00:23:31,522 --> 00:23:33,556
adapted it, made it
474
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:35,290
the way he wanted to make it.
475
00:23:35,326 --> 00:23:36,925
You can still
see actually, just...
476
00:23:36,961 --> 00:23:40,229
here on the sides, her hair
flicks up quite a way out.
477
00:23:40,265 --> 00:23:42,131
Warhol's cut it right down in.
478
00:23:42,166 --> 00:23:43,165
In producing these acetates,
479
00:23:43,201 --> 00:23:45,300
and then, blacking out
bits of them, that's--
480
00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:46,902
that's the only stage
where he's actually
481
00:23:46,938 --> 00:23:48,938
physically involved in--
in the process.
482
00:23:48,972 --> 00:23:52,039
- Wow.
- In terms of this image, yeah.
483
00:23:52,076 --> 00:23:53,607
How much do these sell for now?
484
00:23:53,643 --> 00:23:57,378
If a 40-by-40-inch "Jackie"
came up for sale today...
485
00:23:57,413 --> 00:24:00,382
$40 million plus.
486
00:24:00,416 --> 00:24:01,915
This is probably in excess
487
00:24:01,951 --> 00:24:04,786
of 200 or $300 million worth
488
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:06,886
of paintings that you
could make with these.
489
00:24:06,922 --> 00:24:09,655
So, he'd put
the small acetate on here,
490
00:24:09,692 --> 00:24:11,959
this light shines
through the acetate,
491
00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:13,160
through this lens
492
00:24:13,195 --> 00:24:14,595
and into the other room
493
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:16,463
where he'd make it
the correct size.
494
00:24:16,499 --> 00:24:18,265
The lab is one
of the last in the world
495
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,701
still able to carry out
the exact same process
496
00:24:20,736 --> 00:24:22,803
Warhol's printers employed.
497
00:24:27,541 --> 00:24:28,740
In East London,
498
00:24:28,776 --> 00:24:31,243
Paul has also managed to track
down the exact same paint
499
00:24:31,278 --> 00:24:33,179
that Warhol used
for his background.
500
00:24:33,214 --> 00:24:36,749
It was so old it was
about to get thrown out.
501
00:24:36,784 --> 00:24:39,486
It was on sale at half price.
502
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,721
Naphthol Red is, uh,
the lips on a "Marilyn."
503
00:24:43,757 --> 00:24:45,089
This is Chairman Mao's face.
504
00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:47,659
Yellow-Yellow Orange Azo.
505
00:24:47,693 --> 00:24:50,961
Um, and this is late
'70s Acro-Violet,
506
00:24:50,998 --> 00:24:54,098
which is the face color
for Jackie O.
507
00:24:54,134 --> 00:24:56,035
Marilyn,
all the self-portraits.
508
00:24:56,069 --> 00:24:58,368
This has got
"Copyright 1980" on it, so...
509
00:24:58,404 --> 00:25:01,338
this was a kind of a cool thing to find,
cause they don't make that anymore.
510
00:25:01,374 --> 00:25:04,075
There's only a limited amount of
this-- this stuff left that was made.
511
00:25:04,109 --> 00:25:05,910
This might be the
last pot of--
512
00:25:05,944 --> 00:25:07,478
of Acro-Violet
left in the world.
513
00:25:07,513 --> 00:25:09,547
The
next thing we need
514
00:25:09,582 --> 00:25:11,648
is one of Warhol's
original printers.
515
00:25:11,683 --> 00:25:15,684
Alexander Heinrici now
works in Bushwick, Brooklyn.
516
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,721
He was Warhol's primary
silk-screen printer
517
00:25:18,757 --> 00:25:21,023
from 1974 to '76.
518
00:25:21,059 --> 00:25:24,126
I saw him almost every day
when I worked with him.
519
00:25:24,163 --> 00:25:27,564
And what do you think of, like,
the Warhol idea of-- of--
520
00:25:27,598 --> 00:25:31,034
almost removing the hand of the
artist from-- from the process.
521
00:25:31,068 --> 00:25:33,234
Oh, he totally
changed everything.
522
00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:36,538
I mean, that--
that's his, uh, forte.
523
00:25:36,574 --> 00:25:37,638
I mean, that's what he did.
524
00:25:37,674 --> 00:25:40,576
I was just lucky to be his
silk-screen printer, you know?
525
00:25:40,611 --> 00:25:42,411
At the time.
Yeah, yeah.
526
00:25:42,447 --> 00:25:43,945
Can you explain that?
527
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:45,681
Like, exactly what's
happening now?
528
00:25:45,715 --> 00:25:48,482
Well, the screen
is coated with emulsion,
529
00:25:48,518 --> 00:25:50,017
which is photo sensitive.
530
00:25:50,052 --> 00:25:51,751
We put the positive on,
531
00:25:51,788 --> 00:25:55,623
and then we expose it
with ultra-violet light
532
00:25:55,657 --> 00:25:58,792
that will harden the emulsion
where the light hits it,
533
00:25:58,827 --> 00:26:01,796
and leave it soft
where it doesn't.
534
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:04,199
The emulsion breaks
out where it's soft,
535
00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:06,333
and stays where it's hard.
536
00:26:06,367 --> 00:26:09,202
Is this exactly the same as the
process that you did back then?
537
00:26:09,238 --> 00:26:10,269
Yeah.
538
00:26:17,278 --> 00:26:19,645
Okay, let's go.
539
00:26:28,055 --> 00:26:30,055
You got it? Over here.
540
00:26:38,766 --> 00:26:40,832
This looks like Warhol now.
541
00:26:40,866 --> 00:26:43,000
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
542
00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:45,436
Well, we're learning, right?
543
00:26:45,471 --> 00:26:48,507
Not many more years,
and we'll be pros.
544
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:52,644
♪ Andy Warhol looks a scream ♪
545
00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:55,646
♪ Hang him on my wall ♪
546
00:26:55,682 --> 00:26:58,214
♪ Andy Warhol, Silver Screen ♪
547
00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:02,519
♪ Can't tell them apart at all ♪
548
00:27:02,555 --> 00:27:04,555
We showed
it to Rainer Crone,
549
00:27:04,589 --> 00:27:06,123
who was the world's
leading Warhol scholar,
550
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,459
and author of Andy's first
catalogue raisonné.
551
00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:12,796
Whoa! That's incredible.
552
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:14,763
That's how you wanted
to surprise me.
553
00:27:14,798 --> 00:27:16,633
Wow.
554
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:20,068
Beautiful, no?
555
00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:22,404
Fantastic.
556
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,006
Same acetate,
557
00:27:24,041 --> 00:27:25,974
same printer, Alex Heinrici,
558
00:27:26,009 --> 00:27:27,108
same everything.
559
00:27:27,144 --> 00:27:28,978
In your mind, are these--
560
00:27:29,012 --> 00:27:30,878
you know, how close
are these to Warhol's?
561
00:27:30,913 --> 00:27:32,814
They are fan--
this is fantastic.
562
00:27:32,848 --> 00:27:34,583
Yeah. What do you think
Andy would have made
563
00:27:34,617 --> 00:27:37,286
of the idea of recreating these
564
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,354
decades after his death?
It's good! Good!
565
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:42,423
It's in his concept,
566
00:27:42,459 --> 00:27:43,525
in his traditions.
567
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,925
So, he has the idea,
568
00:27:44,961 --> 00:27:46,561
- and then anybody can make them?
- Yeah.
569
00:27:46,596 --> 00:27:47,961
- As many prints as they want?
- Yes.
570
00:27:47,997 --> 00:27:49,529
That's what he wanted.
571
00:27:49,566 --> 00:27:51,332
Since the Warhol controversy,
572
00:27:51,366 --> 00:27:54,867
numerous other artists have their
own issues with authentication.
573
00:27:54,903 --> 00:27:55,736
Two of the biggest galleries
574
00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:57,871
have been fooled
with older works.
575
00:27:57,906 --> 00:28:01,174
Sotheby's admitted that two
paintings worth over $10 million
576
00:28:01,211 --> 00:28:03,911
they'd authenticated
and sold were fake.
577
00:28:03,945 --> 00:28:07,446
The Guggenheim had to do the same
with a painting in its collection.
578
00:28:07,481 --> 00:28:09,015
After its legal battle,
579
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:11,851
the Warhol Foundation disbanded
its Authentication Board
580
00:28:11,885 --> 00:28:15,020
leaving hundreds of millions of
dollars worth of Warhol's in doubt.
581
00:28:16,391 --> 00:28:19,726
Markets like gold and art
are about confidence.
582
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,727
You buy something
with the hope that
583
00:28:21,761 --> 00:28:23,461
you'll be able to resell it.
584
00:28:23,497 --> 00:28:26,432
And the real question
of its value is your confidence
585
00:28:26,467 --> 00:28:28,066
that there are other
buyers behind you.
586
00:28:28,102 --> 00:28:31,303
One of the things that
the art world needs
587
00:28:31,338 --> 00:28:34,105
is a better system
for people to be able to say,
588
00:28:34,141 --> 00:28:35,307
"Yes, this is real."45323
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