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Blind dates is not something
that I've ever done.
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Yeah, I really fell for him.
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Romance fraudsters actually
do this for a living.
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This is the man that I love.
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"I can lend you enough just to
sort out the cash flow problem."
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It's really substantial, 14,£000.
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I had no idea she had paid
for this property.
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"Mum, you don't have
this much money.
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"What are you doing?"
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He has manipulated her,
he's groomed her.
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Andy is my future, my life.
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She can't get away from him.
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Bailiffs came to recover money.
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That was the turning point for me.
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My best friend had been brainwashed.
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"We need to nail this guy."
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This is all one horrendous mistake!
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In a small quiet town on
the south coast of England
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lives single mum of two, Louise.
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I live in East Sussex,
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alone with my dog.
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I've worked in HR now for
about 30 years altogether.
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And so, have a really keen interest
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in anything to do with people.
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I have a son and a daughter.
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Both are grown-up.
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The father of my children and I
divorced 25 years ago.
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Since then, have not had any
significant relationships at all.
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I am very independent,
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and didn't need somebody
else in my life.
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Me and my sister always joked
that she would be like
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a recluse, always at home.
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As time has gone on,
I was kind of keen
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for my mum to find someone.
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You don't want people
to grow old and lonely.
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This was a feeling also shared
by Lou's best friend, Tanya.
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I made friends with Lou, 2009.
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Lou's children had flown the nest.
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I think I've appeared in
her life at the right time -
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as well as her appearing basically
in my life at the right time.
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Tanya and I click
on many different levels.
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You know, we both enjoy cooking.
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We've developed a really
strong relationship,
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that she knows me inside out.
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Tanya started to talk to me about,
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"Do you know what?
There's somebody at work,
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"I think would be
a really good match for you."
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Andy was a consultant
where I worked,
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at a manufacturing company.
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He would come into my office
and stop and have a chat,
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talk about his family and
his daughter being up in Oxford,
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and his father dying of cancer.
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And the way he was talking
about his father
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touched a nerve with me,
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because I'd lost my mother
through cancer,
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and I saw something in him,
and I thought,
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"This is a family man.
Caring man."
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And I thought, "Oh, I wonder..."
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Tanya suggests setting Louise up
on a blind date with Andy.
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I was convinced
it wasn't going to work.
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Blind dates is not something
that I've ever done.
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Ever.
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I said to Lou,
"Trust me, it'll be fine.
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"It'll be relaxed!"
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Louise joins Tanya
and her husband at the pub
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where she's introduced
to Andrew Camfield.
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It's a little bit awkward.
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He kisses me, just to say hello.
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And we sit round the table together.
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Conversation flowed.
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He talked about the fact
that he had got grown-up children
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and what they did,
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and at one point, he winked at me.
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And I thought, "Ooh, he's a bit
of a cheeky, funny person.
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"He's really quite...yeah."
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After the evening finished,
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he told me it was lovely
to have met me.
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He was going to head off back
to Oxford that evening.
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He was going to move into a new home
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that he was renting in
the Cotswolds,
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and perhaps, he could get my number.
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And I said, "Yeah,
that would be really nice."
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A long-distance romance
quickly develops.
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Our messaging just quickly
ramped up.
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"What are you doing for Christmas?"
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"This is my Christmas tree
I've just put up,
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"and this is my log fire."
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He was setting the scene of a home.
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And I was thinking,
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"Gosh, potentially,
I could be part of that."
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Three weeks after they first meet,
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Andy visits Louise's house for
their first one-to-one date.
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He had bought me flowers.
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And then, we spent the entire
evening chatting and laughing.
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He was so easy-going.
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He talked about cooking, his dog -
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obviously, I've got my dog.
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We had quite a lot in common.
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Later that evening, Andy becomes
surprisingly vulnerable.
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Andy talked about
the loss of his father.
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He had been very close.
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Yeah, he had a few tears.
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I was touched by
how open he had been.
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By crying about
the loss of his father,
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it shows Andy's vulnerability -
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which ups the Ante, in terms of
progressing the relationship.
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It's also termed as
"trauma bonding".
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So, Louise will feel compelled
psychologically to assist Andy,
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to want to protect him early on.
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In the weeks that follow,
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Andy seems eager to impress Louise.
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He was quite quick to mention,
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"I'd love for you to come up,
see the cottage where I'm at."
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I was quite excited about
the whole thing.
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It was winter.
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Beautiful log fire he'd got.
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His dog, my dog seemed
to really hit it off.
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We would have lazy breakfast.
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It was a complete step into
a romantic world.
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He presented a financially-stable
person with no money worries.
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By showing that he's a family man,
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h's financially stable,
h's got a nice house,
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he loves his dog, we can see
Andy building these layers
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of credibility and legitimacy.
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And making her fall fast
and hard in love with him is
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a really important part
of that long game.
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Two months into dating,
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Andy's efforts to make Louise fall
for him appear to pay off.
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Valentine's Day,
he told me he loved me...
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..and I told him I loved him.
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Things were travelling really fast.
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I was quite surprised,
but delighted.
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Even I was surprised at how quickly
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she's melted into this relationship.
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I was happy,
my best friend's happy.
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Yeah, I really fell for him.
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Louise soon introduces Andy
to her children.
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He was kind of very imposing.
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Walking up to you, saying hello,
firm handshake.
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A typical kind of snake-oil
salesman vibe I got.
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Didn't have a career as such.
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He was a businessman.
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And that involved various
different things.
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He had his own recruitment firm,
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and he's working on some kind of
app for real estate agents.
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My mum was super happy.
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She was smiling like a Cheshire cat,
ear-to-ear.
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And that kind of worry or protection
mechanism kind of just vanished.
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Andy and Louise are spending more
and more time together
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when Andy receives some big news.
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He is due to inherit from
his father's will.
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His father had been
a senior officer in the Army,
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and all indications were that
it would be quite a bit of money.
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Andy learns he has been given
a share of his father's flat,
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as well as £20,000 -
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but there is a delay with the money.
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The problem was around finalising
the stocks and shares
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that his father had.
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Andy admits that his income as
a consultant is often unpredictable,
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so this delay in receiving
his inheritance
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has left him financially short.
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He was going to have
a shortfall of about 2-3 grand.
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This part of the con artist plan
is known as the set-up -
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because this is where
the information is planted.
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He's not asking her for money,
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and she's concerned about him.
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It means the onus is on her
to approach him
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and ask if he needs help.
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I'm thinking, "This is silly.
This is the man that I love."
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I said to him, "I can lend you
enough just to sort out
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"the cash flow problem.
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"I've got this 0% card -
put it on there."
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He said, "That would be so helpful."
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So, I lend him £3,000.
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He said, "I'll pay you back
with interest."
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So, there was no reason to question
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that that would not just,
in a matter of time, be sorted.
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Little did we know just
how far wrong we were.
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Three months into
their relationship,
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Louise has fallen hard
for Andy Camfield,
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and has already lent him
over £3,000.
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But another problem arises
that will test the limits
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of Louise's generosity.
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Andy told me that he and his ex-wife
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jointly had two time-share
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apartments in Malta.
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He showed me pictures,
and they were beautiful!
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What was unfortunate was that
his ex-wife had fallen behind
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on the mortgage payment.
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Andy suggests that he buys
his ex-wife out of the property.
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He negotiates a sum of £14,000.
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The catch is it has to be paid
by the end of the month.
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He "ums" and "ahs" because the
probate hasn't come through yet.
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I say to him, "Well we could do it
through my credit cards."
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This is a bit more, but actually,
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I've seen all the documents.
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And he said,
"Oh, you are so special!"
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And, you know, "It will be ours.
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"Actually, we'll call it ours!"
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This is a much larger sum of money,
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but this isn't giving
the money to somebody.
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It's actually paying into
the relationship.
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By investing this,
it solidifies her position
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as officially Andy's,
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and Andy is officially hers.
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I did find it a little surprising,
with Lou's language,
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in the way that she spoke
about the Malta property.
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Even though they'd only been
together, say, less than a year,
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she would say "our" property.
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I had no idea, no knowledge
that she had actually
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paid for this property.
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A few months after
loaning him £14,000,
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Andy repays Louise the original
£3,000 she'd leant him earlier.
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That just shows you
how genuine he is,
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to think about my needs.
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This is a classic tactic.
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By giving money back early on
in the relationship,
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you're then sowing the seed that
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you'll give money back
in the future.
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And you can ask for more money,
more quickly,
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and higher sums, as well.
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But that's not
the last of the loans.
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With the unpredictable
nature of his work,
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and further delay with
his inheritance,
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Louise continues to reach for
her wallet to help Andy.
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I had great sympathy for him,
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in that everything seemed
to be going wrong.
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He was so apologetic.
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He would say things like,
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"Nobody has ever understood me
like you do.
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"My family always said,
'Andy you just need to get a...
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"'..a salaried job.
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"'Stop messing around
being a consultant.'"
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I'm responding by saying,
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"Well, that's the nature
of consultancy work.
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"It's feast and famine."
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And I would lend him something
to tide him over.
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Andy was keeping a spreadsheet
of all of the amounts
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that I had lent him.
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It was perfectly clear
he was going to pay me back.
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But it's becoming a little
bit more difficult
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to meet the minimum payments.
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With over £18,000 now
lent to Andrew,
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Louise turns to her family for help.
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My mum messages me, saying,
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"Hey, would it possible
to borrow £300?"
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I thought nothing of it.
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I had it, so I sent it over
to her straight away.
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And this became more
and more frequent.
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I kind of sat there,
feeling like a question mark.
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"Why does she need the money now?
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"Why all the cash flow problems?"
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As a "thank you" to Louise for
helping him through a rough patch,
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and so sure that his large
inheritance will arrive imminently,
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Andy purchases a lavish gift.
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He had booked an amazing
holiday for £17,000.
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First-class service to
the Maldives!
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He said, "It will be a very,
very special holiday.
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"And I would like to buy
that holiday for you."
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And I think, "OK, if that's
what he wants to do...
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"..then that would be quite nice."
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Louise, at this point, has put a lot
of money into the relationship.
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But, by Andy putting this
huge amount of money into
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this lavish holiday also shows
that he's paying into
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the relationship, too.
It seems very equal.
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And I do remember being
a little surprised,
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cos it was an awful lot of money.
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He's paid for that himself.
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So, he's obviously got income
coming in from his consultancy work.
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Andy convinces Louise this is
a treat they both deserve,
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and any debts will soon be sorted
through the upcoming inheritance.
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They've been in a relationship
for a while now,
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and she believes that
inheritance is going to come
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to both of them as a couple.
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And Andy really plays on that
in order to get money from her.
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At no time did it cross my mind ever
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that I wasn't - it wasn't going
to be rectified,
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and that everything
would just fall into place.
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But when the time nears for
the couple to jet off,
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an unprecedented event
gets in the way.
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Come early 2020,
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we've got Covid going on.
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Andy makes the decision
to defer the holiday.
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There's further bad news for Andy
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when he's evicted from his rental
cottage in the Cotswolds.
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The landlord wants it back
to sit out the lockdown.
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Andy and I agree he could come
and live at my house.
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So, essentially,
Andy's now moved in with Lou.
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He sets himself up at
my dining room table.
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He's on Zoom calls.
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I would go in a different room,
and I would do my work.
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As Andy settles into the house,
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Louise's son, Matt, begins
to notice a change in his mum.
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She was always with Andy.
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Andy was even on our WhatsApp chats.
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They were one unit, almost.
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Andy was always there,
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overriding my mum's kind of
outwardness, I would say.
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She was a lot less open and
engaging in conversations.
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When Andy moves into Louise's,
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she can't get away from him,
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and he can manipulate her in person,
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day to day, day and night.
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It's starting to look as though it's
having a negative effect on her.
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Months into lockdown and
after a long period of bad luck,
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some bittersweet news arrives.
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Andy took a phone call.
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When he came back,
he's clearly a bit shocked.
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He said his godfather had died.
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"And I've also just been told I'm
inheriting a third of his estate."
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He's had tears, absolutely
big tears about this.
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The weird thing about it was that
he didn't know his own godfather.
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Why would someone leave
their godson,
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that they've not seen for 50 years,
all of this money?
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With Andy's first inheritance
still being tied up in legal delays,
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this second inheritance could
solve their money worries.
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We started to talk about,
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"Well, should he invest it
in property?"
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Andy suggests putting the
money into a home
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that they could buy together.
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He said, "I'm including you in this
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"because this would be
our forever home.
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"And I will buy it, cash."
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I thought "Wow, blimey."
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I don't know what to do with my -
you know, if I'm not going to live
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in my home, what do I do
with my home?
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You know, do whatever you want.
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What with your income and my income,
329
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we're now talking a lot of money.
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When Andy get news of this
second inheritance,
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he makes a pledge to pay
that money into a dream home
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for them both together.
333
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Andy really plays on this,
on this idea,
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this normative ideals of
husband and wife, and saying,
335
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"Well, actually, we do give
money to each other.
336
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"We are all one
relationship together.
337
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"Our money is all the same pot."
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And it's playing into this idea
that later on, they'll get married,
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this is his future, they've got
this property together,
340
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the inheritance is coming in -
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and there's nothing there
to hit the brakes.
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Committed to their future,
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Andy and Louise look at
dream properties.
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Andy found a house really
very quickly.
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And we met the estate agent,
and he showed us around.
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"Wow!" I just thought,
"This is amazing."
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Andy said, "Well, if you're happy,
I'm going to put an offer on this."
348
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And he told the estate agent
it'd be a cash buy,
349
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,360
and the estate said,
"Yep, absolutely fine.
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"Do you want me to come and
sort out your house, Lou?"
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Lou's really happy, you know,
getting so excited.
352
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,000
What are they going to do
to the house?
353
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Buying furniture online,
putting it in the basket.
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We go to the house, we measure up,
355
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,320
we download all the manuals for
the kitchen equipment.
356
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,160
We look we look at making
an extension to the garage.
357
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520
We're installing a dog parlour.
358
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,000
They planned it down to the T,
359
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,560
down to what broadband package
they're going to get.
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My mum was kind of over the moon.
361
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She could see her life
progressing in a good way.
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That, for me, was like,
you've won in life at the moment.
363
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The way Andy was talking
about the house,
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I did have concerns.
365
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,880
I can't put my finger on it.
"Something's not right.
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"Something's not right."
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The estate agent came, and he looked
at my house, and he said,
368
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,680
"This would go overnight as
a three-bedroom starter home.
369
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"You know, it wouldn't be
a problem at all."
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Driving up with Lou, I said to her,
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"Please tell me your house is OK,
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"that you're not
selling your house."
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She confirmed to me,
"It's all fine, it's all fine."
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I've got to accept her word
for this.
375
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But she was sort of
closing down on me,
376
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,760
and wasn't the usual, open Lou.
377
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Something didn't feel 100% right.
378
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,720
For now, Louise decides to hold off
selling her house.
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Meanwhile, the rescheduled Maldives
holiday is fast approaching -
380
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,800
but disaster strikes again.
381
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:10,560
Andy told me he'd got major
cysts on his eardrums.
382
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,600
It was causing him a lot of pain,
383
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,880
and the doctor said,
"You can't fly."
384
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,160
And he certificated him not to fly.
385
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,120
I turned round to my husband,
and I did say...
386
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,720
I don't know, something in
the back of my mind
387
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,400
was just making me question,
388
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,600
did this holiday ever really exist?
389
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,800
With the holiday cancelled,
390
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,840
Louise is still juggling
her finances to support Andy.
391
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560
I had several credit cards.
392
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,280
And so, when you looked at
them individually,
393
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,360
"Oh, that's six grand there,
394
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,440
"three grand there" -
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00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,720
you know, you wouldn't see it
as a massive sum.
396
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,080
I was managing it, in my mind.
397
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,600
However, to help out,
398
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,240
Andy tells Louise he'll have
the holiday repaid to her account.
399
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,120
So, he gave them my bank details
400
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,200
to pay it directly into
my bank account.
401
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,760
Never came. Nothing.
402
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:14,520
By now, Louise has borrowed over
£40,000 across seven credit cards
403
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,160
to support Andy.
404
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,360
I was getting more anxious
about not being able to pay
405
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,520
the minimum payments on
the credit cards.
406
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,560
He was telling me,
"I'm transferring it back."
407
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,840
And then, it would never arrive.
408
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,920
There would always be
some form of error.
409
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,000
I've lent him all this money
on the strength of
410
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,640
what he was telling me.
411
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,320
You know, it was all written out
that it was there.
412
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:42,720
Andy is my future.
413
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,200
We are about to move into
the house of our dreams.
414
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,720
I'm making plans.
415
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,520
I've boxed up stuff -
but still, we've not completed.
416
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,240
How could you be buying a house
if none of this was true?
417
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
Two years into their relationship,
418
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,560
Andy and Louise are still waiting
to complete on their dream home,
419
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,760
which should have happened
weeks ago.
420
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DOORBELL RINGS
421
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,600
Things begin to feel even
more off when, one morning,
422
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,720
Louise gets some unwelcome visitors.
423
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,000
Out of the blue,
bailiffs came to recover money
424
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,920
and they ask for Andy.
425
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,840
It was for a debt of £7,000.
426
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,600
He says, "Oh, cos I've moved
out of the Cotswolds,
427
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,240
"it's just got overdue."
428
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,320
And these bailiffs turning up
were videoing the conversation
429
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,560
from the word go, and timing it.
430
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,880
It's a debt, it has to be paid,
and they're clock-watching -
431
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,320
and every 15 minutes,
it goes up by £400.
432
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:46,920
You're under a lot of pressure.
433
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,120
I'm shaking.
434
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920
We can't let them in,
but they can force entry.
435
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,440
I'm worried about Andy.
436
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,240
I don't know what to do.
437
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,840
So, that's when I rang Matthew.
438
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,320
PHONE RINGS
439
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,160
I get a call from my mum.
440
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,760
"There's bailiffs at my door,"
441
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,360
and she's in absolute tears.
442
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,280
I did say to Matthew,
443
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
"I'm going to need quite a bit
of money, quite quickly."
444
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,560
And I distinctly remember
Andy in the background, saying,
445
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,360
"It's seven-and-a-half grand."
446
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,960
My first instinct was just
to sort my mum out,
447
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
don't query it.
448
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,440
Just get the pressure off my mum.
449
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,000
But this £7,500 is going to be
a big sacrifice for Matt.
450
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,120
Me and the missus were
planning a wedding,
451
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,200
so we've been saving and saving,
and saving.
452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
And obviously, I needed that money
for getting married.
453
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,600
And giving that away was
heart-wrenching, in a way.
454
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,560
But the overriding factor
was to help my mum.
455
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,800
For Louise to have to ask her son
456
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,120
to dip into his wedding funds
to pay off her boyfriend's debt,
457
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,120
it really shows the level of
coercion and psychological hold
458
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that Andy has over her.
459
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,960
And this happens
a lot in domestic abuse,
460
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,880
where the victim feels responsible
for the financial, psychological,
461
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,880
physical wellbeing of
the perpetrator.
462
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,440
With the money from Matt,
463
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Louise and Andy settle
with the bailiffs.
464
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,360
I said to Andy, "OK.
465
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,440
"Is there anything else that's going
to come knocking on my door?"
466
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,000
"No. There's nothing else."
467
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,280
Andrew promises to pay
Louise's son back.
468
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,160
I was content that
that's exactly what would happen.
469
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,360
Weeks pass, but there's no
sign of Matt's money.
470
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,520
So, the initial agreement was
I'll lend Andy the money
471
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,520
for two-and-a-half weeks,
and he'll pay me back.
472
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,080
He didn't pay me back.
473
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,320
He started making really
out-there excuses,
474
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,280
like his bank account had
been flagged for fraud,
475
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840
or the bank didn't have
enough cash.
476
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,600
This is absolute classic.
477
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,640
He's saying to Matt,
478
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,320
"This is not me against you,
it is us against the banks
479
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:00,280
"who are not moving quickly enough."
480
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Andy positions himself as
the same as Matt,
481
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,080
as really needing that money,
482
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,520
and feeling really embarrassed that
he hasn't given Matt the money.
483
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Months into chasing Andy for money,
484
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,160
an unexpected visitor
cements Matt's suspicions.
485
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,080
My sister called me and said that
Andy's ex-wife had been round,
486
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,000
demanding that Andy gives
her credit card back.
487
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,520
And it was at this point,
my sister said,
488
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680
"My brother's just lent
some money to Andy."
489
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,320
And Andy's ex-wife said,
490
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,400
"You're never seeing
that money again."
491
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
That was the turning point for me.
492
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,280
My back is up.
493
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Everything he's saying,
I'm now challenging.
494
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,880
I wanted to get
to the bottom of this,
495
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
for the sake of my mum and for me.
496
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,160
It's only until someone from
the outside gives that bolt
497
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,640
from the blue that you start
to sit up and look back
498
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,320
through all of those messages,
499
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,520
all of those interactions,
and see them with fresh eyes.
500
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240
Louise's son, Matt, begins
investigating Andrew's claims -
501
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560
starting with their dream house.
502
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,920
Andy had told my mum that,
after many weeks of delays,
503
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,840
that they'd finally exchanged.
504
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080
I then called up the estate agents,
explained my situation.
505
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,160
I said, "I know there's some
boundaries, but just hear me out."
506
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,040
I mentioned Andy by name,
and they said,
507
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,600
"Yep, that's the buyer.
508
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800
"I think he's defrauding us
out of some money."
509
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,640
And they said, "You know what?
Glad you said this,
510
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,640
"because in two weeks,
we had this scheduled
511
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,160
"to come back on the open market,
512
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,880
"because there's something
not right with this guy."
513
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,560
So, I said, fine.
514
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,120
That's confirmation from me
that they haven't exchanged.
515
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Let's see what else he's been doing.
516
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,200
Call up solicitors, they said,
"I can confirm he is a client.
517
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,600
"And I can't tell you anything,
but read between the lines."
518
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280
It's very obvious that
he'd not given them any money.
519
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480
That is another nail in
the coffin for Andy.
520
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,480
As evidence mounts for Matt,
521
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,480
he wonders how Andrew could be short
on cash when he recently started
522
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,480
a new high-flying job.
523
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160
He's been telling my family
that he works for this big
524
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240
wholesale distribution company
as the financial director.
525
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,840
I then called up a store and say,
526
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,960
"Can you check for this person?"
527
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,680
And they said
they couldn't find him.
528
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,680
I then emailed their HR, who said,
529
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000
"Look, no, we've never
heard of this guy,
530
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,760
"and we've never worked with him."
531
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,360
Straight away, I'm thinking,
"This guy is a con man."
532
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,960
He's lying about the job.
He's lying about the house.
533
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,360
What else is he lying about?
534
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,400
How deep does this rabbit hole go?
535
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,800
Matthew gives me a ring,
and he says,
536
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
"I need to talk to you about money."
537
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,600
And I said, "That's fine,
come on round, Andy's here.
538
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,080
"We can all talk about it."
539
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,360
And he said, "No,
I don't want Andy to be there.
540
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,360
And I'm thinking, "Oh, my God."
541
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Now I feel sick.
542
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,600
And he says, "Come down to
the car park at the supermarket."
543
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,880
I just pulled her to the side in
the car park, and I said,
544
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520
"Mum, something fundamentally
is not right."
545
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Matt reveals his findings
about Andy to his mum.
546
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760
Matthew is trying to tell me,
"This is a bad one,"
547
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,880
and I'm saying, "It's not.
You just got it wrong."
548
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,240
I'm in a very difficult
situation now.
549
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Andy is my future, my life...
550
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320
..and yet, these are my children.
551
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,640
I said to her, "Mum, how much money
do you have tied up with this guy?"
552
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,560
She said to me that she had
no money tied up with him.
553
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,560
So, I was kind of relieved
at this point.
554
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,480
But Louise was lying.
555
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,200
I'm just totally overwhelmed.
556
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,120
Don't know what to do.
557
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,280
STAMMERING: I was really...
in love with him.
558
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,680
Everything he said,
I totally believed.
559
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Louise Tries to make
excuses for Andy.
560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,160
It's because of this coercion.
561
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,200
What Andy has done
is created a false reality.
562
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,720
And, if Louise turns around
and believes that,
563
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,960
everything that's happened in
the last year or two has been a lie.
564
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,760
And psychologically,
the harm in that is huge.
565
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,440
If I can prove that
this solicitor has said this,
566
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,160
and that money is coming from
that probate here, and then...
567
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
TEARFULLY: ..and then,
it can all go away,
568
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,040
and we can all walk away and forget
this really unpleasant situation.
569
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,240
Louise returns home
to ask Andy about the money.
570
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,200
So, I talk to Andy,
571
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,520
and he says I've got absolutely
nothing to worry about.
572
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,200
You know, there's noth...
there's no problems here.
573
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,320
He says, "What I'll do is I'll go
and get some cash out the bank,
574
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,520
"take it to Matthew."
575
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,280
Andrew sets off to get the £7,500
that Matt previously lent him
576
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,520
to pay off the bailiffs.
577
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,920
He called me up to say
he'd got money,
578
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,200
he's en route to my house.
579
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,920
He's saying, "Oh, the traffic's
really, really bad,"
580
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,440
he's going to be an extra hour.
581
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Another hour went by,
and I couldn't get hold of him.
582
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,040
I said to my mum,
"This is make-or-break for him.
583
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,720
"Where is he?"
584
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Oh, I'm getting more
and more anxious.
585
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Matthew's getting more and more,
"Told you so."
586
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,840
At that point, Tanya walks in.
587
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,560
"Hi!" You know, walked in,
"Hi, yeah, yeah, how's everyone?"
588
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Get the dogs, greeted by the dogs,
589
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,960
you know, "You all right?"
590
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,160
"Yeah, how you doing?
I'm fine, fine, yeah,
591
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840
"absolutely fine."
And she can just see.
592
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,280
"Are you sure?"
593
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,440
How do you start a story like that?
594
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,280
"Talk to me, just talk to me."
595
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,640
And she kneels in front of me,
and she holds my hand,
596
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,240
and I'm thinking...
SHE SOBS
597
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,280
"I don't know what I'm going
to do now, because I'm at
598
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,440
"a point now where I can't
take this any more."
599
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760
And I've gotta say -
I've just got to say it.
600
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,480
"So, Andy owes money."
601
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Lou's saying to me, "He's borrowed
Matt's wedding fund money.
602
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,760
"And Matt was actually getting
married in literally
603
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,000
"about three weeks' time."
604
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,520
"And he's on his way to see Matthew,
and he's not there yet."
605
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,600
"We've had the Bailiffs, you know,
we had to borrow some money."
606
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,320
"I don't know what to do."
607
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,880
"Phew! Wh-What?"
608
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,360
I was being hit...
with so many facts.
609
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,840
It was like, "Yep, borrowed
some money from Matt.
610
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400
"Borrowed some money
from mum and Dad.
611
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
"Borrowed some money from Kimberly."
612
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Hell, if I'd have known this...
613
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Now, it's very easy to say,
"How could this happen?"
614
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640
But this has gone on for years.
615
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,160
He has manipulated her,
he has groomed her,
616
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,960
and you get to a position where
you're making decisions
617
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,880
that seem good and reasonable,
618
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240
but actually, they're
against you financially.
619
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Anyone can become a victim
of this kind of fraud.
620
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840
It's not about intelligence,
it's just about love.
621
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,760
As Louise tells all,
a text comes in from Andy.
622
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,400
He sends a message to say,
"I've had to pull over.
623
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,480
"Feeling really, really unwell,
and I've called an ambulance."
624
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,880
The next thing we know,
Andy's in an ambulance
625
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,200
at a petrol station halfway between
our house and Matt's house.
626
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,000
And Matthew is sending messages,
627
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
I told you, "Mum, I told you,
628
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,520
"this is just another part
of his story."
629
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Oh, my God, what's...
630
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,560
What's happening?
I don't know what's happening.
631
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,400
I was, "That's it," you know,
"we're getting in the car."
632
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,240
When I drove to this location
and saw the ambulance,
633
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040
I was kind of like, "Oh, OK.
634
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,880
"Maybe there's some truth to this,
just maybe."
635
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
We've got to the petrol station.
636
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Matt's there. There's now me,
Lou standing outside.
637
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,000
The ambulance people said
that he was absolutely fine.
638
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,560
And then, he opens the back of
the ambulance, he came walking out.
639
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400
The first thing he did was
pull my mum to the side,
640
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,240
away from absolutely everyone.
641
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,080
And I said to him straight away,
"Where is my money?"
642
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,680
"Where is my money?"
643
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,520
"Where's this cash
that you've got for me?"
644
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,640
He said the money was in the bank,
645
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,000
and he was on the way over to me
to explain what's going on.
646
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,840
And then, it all seems to kick off -
647
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,600
people shouting and accusations
flying around, calling him liar.
648
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240
And I'm thinking, "This is all
one horrendous mistake."
649
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,600
In the end, the paramedics said
that they were concerned enough
650
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,760
not to put him back into
an environment that was stressful,
651
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800
and it was wrong for them
to leave him there with us.
652
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,400
So, as a precaution
for Andy's health,
653
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,960
the paramedics decide to
take him to hospital.
654
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
After the whole ambulance incident,
655
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720
seeing my mum the way she was,
it was just horrible,
656
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880
because I've effectively torn down
her perfect little world.
657
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,640
My mum was still distraught,
and I remember thinking,
658
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160
"What else is bugging you here,
Mum?"
659
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,680
I then asked her again. I said,
660
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
"Mum, how much money
have you lent Andy?"
661
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,440
I started to say,
"I've been subbing Andy
662
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:07,720
"until that point, to some big
tune of over 50 grand.
663
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,440
I was like, "Oh, my God,
how could this happen?
664
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,960
I was almost in denial myself.
665
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160
I was like,
"Mum, you don't have this money.
666
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920
"What are you doing?"
667
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,160
The first thing that I had to do
was report this to the police.
668
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,880
What Matt actually said
to the police originally was,
669
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,720
"I think my mum's being conned,"
670
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,320
and it went from there.
671
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,920
One of the important things is
to convince the victim that
672
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,880
they are actually a victim.
673
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480
In Louise's case, she really
just wanted to believe
674
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,680
that he was genuine, and that
this was all a big mistake.
675
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:41,040
She didn't recognise herself
as a victim.
676
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:45,960
Police have been told,
and I'm beginning to hear
677
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,640
this massive story that
he's been spinning me.
678
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Can't theoretically be true,
679
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,360
and yet, my heart is there with it,
680
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,600
saying, "It is true."
681
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,880
It was weird, this strong,
682
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,160
intelligent woman had
been brainwashed.
683
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,360
With Andy in hospital
and the police now involved,
684
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,720
Louise's family try to make her see
685
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,920
that she's the victim of
an elaborate con.
686
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,440
It would've been typical
for Louise to be told not to have
687
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,600
any contact with Andrew
during the period
688
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,320
while he's under investigation,
689
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,760
especially with her family
also being involved
690
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,920
as potential victims themselves.
691
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,440
I said, "I'm so worried
that you will go back to him.
692
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040
I said, "I'm telling you now that
if you do go back to him...
693
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,960
"..you will lose us."
694
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Despite the pleas from
her loved ones,
695
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Louise is still under Andy's spell
696
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,880
and collects him from hospital
a few hours later.
697
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,520
He comes back, packs his stuff up.
698
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,320
I'm a wreck, he's a wreck...
699
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,920
..and he's gone.
700
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,000
I don't know where he goes.
701
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,320
This guy is on the run.
What is he doing?
702
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,720
He's taken my mum's money.
He's taken my money.
703
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,280
What else is he capable of?
704
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,800
We need to nail this guy.
705
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Days after he's released
from hospital,
706
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,240
Andrew Camfield has taken off
with Louise's money.
707
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,760
There's not much I can do.
708
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Ultimately, I have to
leave it up to the police.
709
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,440
But catching a con artist
is not so easy.
710
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,520
Fraud is a very complex crime
to investigate.
711
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,240
And that invariably causes
quite a delay between
712
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,080
the initial report and the arrest.
713
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Police spend months combing through
anything they can get on Andrew.
714
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,920
The investigation involved
seizing a lot of documentation
715
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,680
and taking multiple statements
from different parties.
716
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:54,360
The police wanted to know every
detail about our relationship,
717
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
and about how the money
came to change hands -
718
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,160
and evidence for every
single bit of that.
719
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Away from Andrew's influence,
720
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Louise begins to see who
the man she loves really is.
721
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,240
When I'm beginning to hear,
"This is not true...
722
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,120
"..that's not true..."
723
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,360
..it occurs to me,
724
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,200
"I wonder what he's has got in
all his private papers
725
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,280
"in the garage.
726
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,120
"Do you know what? I'm going to
have a look through this."
727
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,240
I find there's a document that says,
728
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,880
"I hereby relinquish all rights
to the Malta apartments,"
729
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,880
dated February 9th -
just after I met him.
730
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,520
Louise had previously given
Andrew £14,000 to buy out
731
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,200
his ex-wife's Malta properties.
732
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,640
And they actually turned out to be
owned solely by his ex-wife.
733
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,640
There was also various spreadsheets
where he had demonstrated to me,
734
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,680
"This is what I owe you there,
735
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,240
"I owe you that, and then,
I had that amount of interest
736
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,720
"and this is how much
the new house is going to be,"
737
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,520
you know, all laid out.
738
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,520
He actually wrote down a lot of
his own lies and deceit.
739
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,280
We looked into the claims
that Andrew made.
740
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,640
He claimed he was due probate
from his father's will -
741
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
he was due nothing from
his father's will.
742
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,440
He claimed he was CEO of a company.
743
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,800
We spoke to the company,
744
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,720
and they had no record of him
ever working there.
745
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,920
He claimed that he was due some
probate from his godfather's will.
746
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Turned out, his godfather
hadn't actually died,
747
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,480
and he wasn't even in
that will anyway.
748
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,400
Stacking it all up like that,
in black and white,
749
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,400
I had no choice but to realise
he had lied to me...
750
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
..probably from day one.
751
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,680
SHE SNIFFLES
752
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
I'm not a stupid person.
753
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,200
When you look at these things
on the television, and people say
754
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,520
"Oh, I sent £100,000 over
to somebody I've never met."
755
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,400
I knew Andy.
756
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,040
I loved him completely.
757
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,960
And to have that destroyed...
devastated, really.
758
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
The damage that's inflicted
psychologically
759
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,080
on victims of romance fraud,
760
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,400
somebody like Louise,
is absolutely catastrophic.
761
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,120
The impact on self-esteem,
762
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
on being able to trust people
in the future,
763
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,280
of any kind of relationship,
with being able to trust yourself
764
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,320
is absolutely destroyed.
765
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,280
Nine months since the start
of the investigation,
766
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
and with a strong case
against Andrew,
767
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,520
the police set out to find him.
768
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,040
I didn't really know
where he had gone,
769
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,120
and the police would obviously
have to track him down.
770
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080
All this time,
Andy has got no idea that
771
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,800
the police are looking at him,
772
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,600
and where he is,
and what he's doing.
773
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,240
After monitoring
Andy's digital footprint,
774
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,320
police hone in on a town just
ten miles away.
775
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,280
Andrew was located at
a hotel in Eastbourne
776
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
and arrested in March 2022.
777
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,440
POLICE RADIO CHATTER
778
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,920
This wave of relief just
came over me,
779
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,840
knowing that there was
the potential to get some justice.
780
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,800
Andrew continues
to plead his innocence,
781
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,600
and so, is brought to trial.
782
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,800
The date for the trial was set,
783
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,560
and then, that was when Louise
started to get nervous.
784
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,840
I'm thinking, "Oh, my gosh,
I might have to take stand.
785
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,280
"I might have to personally
give my own evidence.
786
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,880
"I might have to see him."
787
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,600
But on the first day of trial,
788
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,520
the overwhelming evidence
convinces Andrew
789
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,280
to change his plea to guilty.
790
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,360
Relief, absolute relief. It's over.
791
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,280
The judge said that this was a
prolonged and sophisticated fraud,
792
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,440
and he had systematically defrauded
Louise by stringing her along
793
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,320
with an elaborate set of lies.
794
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,880
Andrew was eventually convicted
of three counts of fraud
795
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,400
and one count of theft.
796
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,120
Andrew Camfield is sentenced
797
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,040
to seven years in prison
in May 2022.
798
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Andy would sometimes just put on
799
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120
certain little different personas,
800
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,280
and I used to say to him,
801
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,640
"Oh, you'd be absolutely
brilliant onstage!"
802
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,960
And, yeah, now I understand,
803
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,960
this man really was an actor.
804
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,960
A great actor. He deceived us all.
805
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,560
He's an absolute bottom-feeder.
806
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,000
And preying on people like that
is just disgusting.
807
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Over their two years together,
808
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,280
Louise gave Andrew Camfield
over £70,000.
809
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,320
She still has a £41,000 debt
on her credit cards,
810
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,880
and her credit rating is
severely impacted.
811
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,280
The fact that Matthew volunteered
his wedding fund...
812
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520
I'm so sad about that.
813
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Louise has since paid just
£2,000 back to her son.
814
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,920
And he tells me,
"Do you know what?
815
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120
"It doesn't really matter.
It's only money."
816
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,040
You know, they're married,
and they had a lovely wedding.
817
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,520
When I reflect back on all
the promises he made,
818
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,600
I now know that they were
never going to be true.
819
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,480
It's left me in a complete mess.
820
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,880
I would never trust somebody
ever again to get that close to me.
821
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,280
He's destroyed all of that.
822
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,120
It's one of the most cruel
and heartless crimes,
823
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,400
because they are preying on
that victim's hopes and dreams.
824
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,720
They're trying to build
a future - and in fact,
825
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,800
they're blowing apart their future.
826
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,960
How do you minimise the damage
he's left behind him?
827
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,360
The strength that I've gained
from Tanya and the children,
828
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,520
as well, and my parents,
and saying "Do you know what?
829
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,000
"It doesn't really no matter
what's happened,
830
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680
"because we love you,
and we'll be there for you."
831
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,080
That's just that's just
worth everything.
832
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Everything.
833
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,000
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