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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,760 He was charming, he was well-spoken. 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,760 He became a person you would consider to be a supportive friend. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,600 No red flags, nothing to worry about. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,960 I trusted him. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,240 When I saw the FCA warning, I felt sick. 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,600 I was frightened. 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,480 It was a terrible feeling. 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,920 I've suddenly realised I've lost a lot of money. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,960 It makes me hugely angry. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,560 They have no idea about my parents. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,600 They have no idea about what they've sacrificed. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,600 This was not their money, whoever these people are. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,680 I've lost everything. I've lost everything. 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Gareth Hamblin has worked at sea as a ship's engineer 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,640 in the Merchant Navy and on cruise liners for over 50 years. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,400 I've always enjoyed what I do. 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,000 I spend my time away to be able to provide for my family 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,640 to give them a good life. 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,480 And that's the driver. 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,440 That's the driver for going away. 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,720 We have a really happy family life. 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Got a younger sister, four years younger than me. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Dad has always worked really hard. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,480 And when we were kids, Dad was away a lot - 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,960 like, between six and nine months. 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Me, Mum and Lizzy spent a lot of time on our own. 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Dad misses loads of family events 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,640 and, you know, Christmases and all things like that. 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,760 I wasn't cross that Gareth wasn't there for Kate's birth. 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,560 I was too busy, to be fair! 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,760 But, yes, it's a sacrifice, 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,120 but whatever profession that you marry into, you have to adapt. 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,360 It seems like an odd lifestyle to other people, 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,680 but you just learn to accept it. 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,760 And we've spent long periods at sea with Dad 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,200 and, you know, we're really proud of him. 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:03,200 In 2017, Gareth decides he wants to retire in the next two years. 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,800 In terms of Dad retiring, 39 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,240 I think he spent a long time away, especially from Mum. 40 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,560 And quite obviously they're not getting any younger 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,560 and I think they were hoping to spend more time 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,640 just doing all the things that you look forward to doing in retirement, 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,200 you know, going on holiday more, 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,920 spending time with children, with the grandchildren. 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 So, yeah, you know, Dad was definitely looking forward 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,520 to retiring and spending a bit more time on dry land. 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,960 With Gareth's retirement fast approaching, 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,360 he and his family looked to secure their financial future. 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Mum and Dad have always been careful with money. 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,160 They've always been thinking about the future. 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,560 They're of that generation, you know, saving is a massive thing. 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,640 As you get older, you've hopefully paid your mortgage, 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,800 so the money that you earn is more available to you. 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,040 So I started looking around at what the investment opportunities were. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,760 Gareth looks online and finds a website for an investment company 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,200 called CEX Markets, based in London. 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,280 I looked at what they did. 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 They were involved in currency trading - 59 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,600 not Bitcoin - straight currencies, major currencies and other equities. 60 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:19,560 Their website was very professional-looking, 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,120 and I did feel that this looked like an organisation 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,160 that I could probably trust. 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,920 Gareth applies to open an account and promptly receives a phone call 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,480 from a representative named Paul Kingsley. 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,640 When I spoke to Mr Kingsley, 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,800 I made it clear that I wasn't interested 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,400 in trying to make a quick profit. 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,360 I was looking at something long term. 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,080 I wanted it to become some kind of steady income stream 70 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,200 and he gave me the reassurances that their businesses 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,040 were a long term view. 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,320 I felt the returns were very reasonable. 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,480 And it just seemed very secure. 74 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,280 Dad's always been interested in these things. 75 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,000 He loves researching them. 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,240 And I think he obviously felt that he had found, you know, 77 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600 a good investment scheme. 78 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,480 So, yeah. No initial concerns. 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,400 Obviously, there must be some degree of wariness 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:13,880 about when you invest money. 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,560 But to alleviate that, Mr Kingsley said, 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,960 "Well, why don't you make a small investment first, 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,600 "then you can follow the returns 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,680 "and become confident that what we're doing is reliable?" 85 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,640 This chap obviously knew what he was talking about. 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,320 So, he was able to make Gareth feel relaxed 87 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,440 and confident that all would be well. 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,920 When you phone up and you can speak to the same person again and again 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 and again, you think, "Yeah, yeah, they're in control of it. 90 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:41,840 "They'll answer my questions. 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,840 "They've totally got a handle on this." 92 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,320 Paul Kingsley, I think, fairly quickly became a person 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,240 you would consider to be a supportive friend 94 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:52,960 and you felt confident about. 95 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,240 To convince somebody to give their money, 96 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,560 you have to be a really smooth operator. 97 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,400 You have to be really great with language 98 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,240 and you have to be confident. 99 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,760 So you have to be very personable, not too pushy, 100 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,680 but direct and professional and believable. 101 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:15,080 Filled with confidence, Gareth decides to invest £5,000. 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,320 We talked about anti-money laundering requirements 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,400 from their side, so again I felt this was realistic. 104 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,240 He said it all had to go through their people, 105 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,520 make sure it was all legitimate, 106 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,400 and when that was all passed, then the money was actually transferred 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,640 and the first investment was started. 108 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,880 The thing that I liked about CEX 109 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,960 was you had a website to be able to check in on, 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,120 and you could see how your money was growing. 111 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,600 You could look at it any time. 112 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,960 You could check these things. 113 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,280 You could log in and check that everything was fine. 114 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,280 You can phone up and somebody responds to you 115 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,160 and it's the same person, someone with a name, you know? 116 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,400 It makes you think, "Yeah, this is all completely legitimate, 117 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,360 "all fine." 118 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Regular checks on the account 119 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,280 confirmed that it was generating about 1.5% a month. 120 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,840 On the 5,000 I initially invested, 121 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,320 I think I saw in the first few months 122 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,840 growth of somewhere around about £500 or £600. 123 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,680 So of course, you'd be thinking, "This is great. 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,280 "Really glad I took the money from here and put it in here." 125 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:26,440 Three months after transferring £5,000 into CEX Markets, 126 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,280 Gareth decides to invest even more money. 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,360 With the confidence of the 5,000 growing 128 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,880 and having spoken to Mr Kingsley and realised 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,920 that there were opportunities to increase the investment, 130 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,040 I decided to invest a large sum of money. 131 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,160 That investment then continued to grow. 132 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,480 So once you see it building, once you see it doing well, 133 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,400 you then think, "I'd be crazy not to add to this." 134 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,760 So the decision was made, having given it a lot of careful thought, 135 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,720 to put in £140,000. 136 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,680 So now I've got approximately £145,000 invested in CEX. 137 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,080 It all looked good. 138 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,360 And it continues to do well. 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,480 It continues to all look completely legit. 140 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,760 So no red flags, nothing to worry about. Still very happy. 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,920 It looked really good. 142 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,280 But if I'd only known. 143 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,200 If I'd only known. 144 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,600 In Oxfordshire, 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Gareth Hamblin has transferred £145,000 from his life savings 146 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,280 to investment firm CEX Markets, 147 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,520 aiming to make long-term returns for retirement. 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,280 I felt that I could look forward in a few years' time 149 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,600 to having a decent pot of money that I could rely upon. 150 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,560 And then retirement would be literally around the corner. 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,640 140 miles away, in South Devon, 152 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Jenny and Jeremy have also spent years saving for retirement. 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,320 Jeremy was a very kind, lovely gentleman and it was, you know, 154 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,880 it was a wonderful relationship. 155 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,520 Mum and Jeremy had a relationship I think very few people get. 156 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,320 They were very happy. Incredibly happy. 157 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Very clear to see how much they both loved each other. 158 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,920 In 2018, Nicola's stepfather Jeremy is suddenly taken ill. 159 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,440 He had a stroke and that affected his speech. 160 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,960 It was a shock. It was a big shock. 161 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,320 The damage from the stroke then came out over hours and days. 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,560 There was some confusion with a few words. 163 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,120 But that got worse and his speech was affected far worse 164 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,280 as time went on. 165 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 We're all very worried as a family. 166 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,400 And clearly Mum was, you know, devastated from it, 167 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,800 as was, I think, Jeremy, from what he could, you know, 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,600 comprehend and understand. He knew what had happened. 169 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,480 When it came to finances, 170 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,520 I was lost because he was the one who always dealt with it. 171 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:29,320 They were together for 30 years, and that's a long time. 172 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,440 And then for Mum to all of a sudden 173 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:39,840 have to start doing the day-to-day things that she'd never done - 174 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,920 paying all the bills. 175 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,920 I was terrified, absolutely terrified. 176 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:50,680 He was really unable to advise me. 177 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,320 Say yay or nay. 178 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,920 Only a month after Jeremy's stroke, 179 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,320 Jenny is faced with the responsibility 180 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,360 of managing one of their investments. 181 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Mum receives a letter to say that some of her shares are expiring, 182 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,360 and if she doesn't cash them in, she will lose them. 183 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,440 I think it would have been about £3,000, 184 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,080 the value of the shares at the time. 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,680 It wasn't a great amount, but it was an amount that I thought, 186 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,000 "Right, I don't want to lose that." 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,000 So she cashes the shares in, 188 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,000 and within a month, the £3,000 is paid to them 189 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,480 and is in her bank account. 190 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,080 Two weeks later, Jenny receives a call from a man named David Clark, 191 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,440 a representative of an investment company called Atwood Stanley. 192 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,680 He says that he knows that she's recently cashed in some shares 193 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,640 and offers her the opportunity to buy new shares 194 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,440 with the money for a good return. 195 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Mum was told that she would have a 6% return on the money 196 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,320 and she will have twice-yearly interest. 197 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,400 She feels that this is something that would be worth considering. 198 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,240 But she's unable to consult Jeremy about it 199 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,200 because of the situation following the stroke. 200 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,880 Without the ability to discuss the offer with Jeremy, 201 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,600 Jenny ponders on whether she can trust David Clark 202 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,000 from Atwood Stanley. 203 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,840 David Clark came across as very professional, 204 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,920 knowledgeable about what he was talking about 205 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,960 from the financial point of view. 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,920 David Clark was a very, very well-spoken, educated person. 207 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,600 It sounded feasible. 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,520 So I trusted him. 209 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,760 And therefore she duly entered into the agreement with him 210 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:50,920 and made the transfer of £3,000 to the account 211 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,120 that David Clark had given her. 212 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,680 And so she thinks that, you know, that's it. 213 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,720 She sits back and hopes that in six months' time 214 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,160 that she will see a good return on her money. 215 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Back in Oxfordshire, 216 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Gareth Hamblin's investment of £145,000 in CEX Markets 217 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,280 has been steadily growing for over nine months. 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,400 I was confident. We had... 219 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,680 ..regular contact with Paul Kingsley. 220 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,920 And I had some more money that had come available to me 221 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,200 from other investments that had matured, 222 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,600 and that money had to do something. 223 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,840 So I felt confident enough to talk to Mr Kingsley 224 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,520 about putting another large sum in. 225 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:45,000 And we talked about putting in another £160,000. 226 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Before Dad decides to put this final big chunk in, 227 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,040 he obviously decided, 228 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,120 "I want to meet this Paul Kingsley face-to-face." 229 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,320 I felt I was beginning to know Mr Kingsley so well 230 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,920 that I'd almost like to make a friend of him 231 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,360 and go for a drink with him. 232 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,640 He was very happy with that. 233 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,560 So he set up a date and we arranged to go. 234 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,920 Being able to meet somebody in person and not just somebody 235 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,480 on the end of a phone call or a website 236 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,800 makes it seem much more legitimate, much more credible 237 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840 because you're meeting a human being. 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Meeting face-to-face is beneficial for an individual 239 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,720 who feels like that person is real, tangible, trustworthy, 240 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,160 and they'd feel they'd recognise if someone was lying to their face. 241 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,000 Paul Kingsley agrees to meet Gareth at Heron Tower 242 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,480 in the City of London. 243 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,200 The building's a big, glassy, prestigious, 244 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,840 imposing-looking building. Gives you the feeling 245 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,440 that I'm dealing with genuine, big operators here. 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 There was a buzz, I suppose. I felt sort of, "Yeah, this is good." 247 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,760 I sit in the seat. 248 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,200 About five minutes later, a gentleman approaches me 249 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,840 and says to me his name was Lewis, 250 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,920 and he was a colleague of Mr Kingsley. 251 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,680 Lewis looked very sharp. 252 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,400 I would say he was a young man of about early 30s, 253 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,360 very well-dressed, very well-presented, very polite. 254 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Lewis tells Gareth that Paul Kingsley is unable 255 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,120 to attend the meeting in person. 256 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:20,440 And then while Dad was talking to him, this Paul Kingsley phones up 257 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,200 and says, "Oh, can I have a chat with Gareth? 258 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,280 "I'm really, really sorry. 259 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,560 "You know, last-minute thing. I had to go to Denmark." 260 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,400 He had told me before that he dealt with banks in Denmark. 261 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,080 And so I was disappointed not to meet him, 262 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,760 but at the same time I felt, "Well, it's better that he's getting on 263 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,320 "with business than spending his time just talking to me." 264 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,400 And so, again, it endorsed my feeling 265 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,400 that he was doing what he said he was doing. 266 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,280 I came back home, talked to Marilyn, 267 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,400 and agreed that we would make the additional investment. 268 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,840 At this stage, once we'd put the 160,000 in, 269 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,400 we now put 305,000 in total, 270 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,520 which was growing, growing steadily. I felt confident. 271 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,720 I thought that the future was secured. 272 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Meanwhile, Jenny continues to speak to Atwood Stanley's representative, 273 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:14,440 David Clark, after giving them £3,000 to invest on her behalf. 274 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Having David Clark constantly keeping in contact with Mum, 275 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,960 reassuring her and talking to her, 276 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,840 gave her the confidence or the belief that he was there for her. 277 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,120 And it was probably a bit of a relief, you know, 278 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,600 to trust somebody, because you couldn't go to your husband any more 279 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,320 because he's not well enough for you to go to, 280 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,760 that somebody else is providing that that platform 281 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,800 and he would look after the finances. 282 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,800 So he probably was a safety net. 283 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,560 But after several months, Jenny has a change of heart. 284 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,880 When I started to think about it, I did want my money back. 285 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,880 I had no interest, 286 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,520 and I thought I would have had some interest by now. 287 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Mum asked David Clark on numerous occasions 288 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,120 to either sell the shares and have the money back 289 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,560 or to have the investments paid back to her. 290 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 But there was always a caveat - you can have it back, 291 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,680 but you need to give us a little bit more money first 292 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,040 because of this financial regulation, 293 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,560 when you hadn't reached the ceiling limit of your investments 294 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,480 to be able to get it back at this stage. 295 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,680 I agreed. 296 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Having already paid the 3,000, 297 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,920 the next figure was for... 298 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Was it 22,000? 299 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,280 After Jenny deposits this huge sum, 300 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,040 David Clark tells her that the £25,000 she has now invested 301 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,840 is still not large enough for her to withdraw her money. 302 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,520 This time, she's told she needs to pay a further £18,000. 303 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,560 So Mum transfers this money. 304 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,760 Mum started to become concerned that the investments were a lot larger 305 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,920 than she was ever anticipating, 306 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,600 bearing in mind this started from a £3,000 sale of shares. 307 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,400 Every time she had the conversation with David Clark 308 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,600 about withdrawing the money, 309 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:30,200 then she was enticed into making further sums to reach this limit 310 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,880 so that she would then be able to have the money back. 311 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,360 This is a psychological tactic. 312 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,040 It's often termed as a sunk cost fallacy. 313 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,440 You've already put money in, you don't want to lose it, 314 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,280 so you will do whatever you can in order to secure that money 315 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,920 and get it back. 316 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,360 If you're told you need to keep investing money 317 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,640 in order to safeguard your initial investment, you will do. 318 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,720 Feeling hopeful that her latest investment is sufficient 319 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,720 to retrieve back her funds, Jenny contacts David Clark. 320 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:09,680 She's told that the financial regulations have changed 321 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,200 and he then requests a further £7,000, 322 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,280 which would take her total investment to £50,000. 323 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,040 Following a final payment, 324 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,880 Mum comes to the conclusion that she needs to share it with somebody. 325 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,720 I think she realises deep down that something's not quite right. 326 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,360 She's constantly being asked for more money. 327 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,880 It was then I got hold of Nicola 328 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,680 because I couldn't see where it was all going 329 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,040 and I was frightened. 330 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,040 My mum sounded very distressed, 331 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,560 which is unusual for me to hear Mum like that. 332 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,480 And she explains to me that she's done something, 333 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,160 that she feels ashamed, 334 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,760 that she's extremely worried about it, she can't sleep, 335 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,960 and then explains to me about these investments that she's made. 336 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,240 So Mum said to me, "Let's ring David Clark. 337 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,000 "He's a real person. He's there. 338 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,920 "You'll see, he's very nice." 339 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,600 So we did ring David Clark. 340 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,680 He was charming, he was well-spoken, 341 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,280 you know, he wasn't rude to me. 342 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,400 I was probably rude to him. 343 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,080 I basically said to him, Mum had been requesting her money back 344 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,680 for quite some time. 345 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,840 Therefore, I wanted to see some evidence 346 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,880 of these monies being returned. 347 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,880 David Clark assured us he would be able to get that to us. 348 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,080 And I said to him that I didn't trust him, 349 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:51,120 and if I find out that this is not legitimate investment, 350 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,520 I am going to go to the police. 351 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,360 And at that point, the conversation ended 352 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560 with him just reassuring us again that the investments 353 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,600 were being cashed in and that Mum would have her money back 354 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,240 and it would be in her account before Christmas. 355 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,480 Feeling suspicious of David Clark, 356 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Nicola conducts her own research into Atwood Stanley. 357 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,640 I went online and I searched Atwood Stanley. 358 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,440 And at the top of the search pages 359 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,680 was the Financial Conduct Authority's warning 360 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,200 of Atwood Stanley. 361 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,520 They were unregulated, 362 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,040 and there was evidence they'd been providing financial advice 363 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,880 to individuals whilst being unregulated. 364 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,080 When I saw the FCA warning... 365 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,680 ..I felt sick. 366 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,560 It's just that realisation 367 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,040 that they were never going to get this money back. 368 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,200 Jenny has invested £50,000 with Atwood Stanley. 369 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680 But her daughter Nicola has discovered the company 370 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,840 is on the FCA's warning list of unauthorised firms. 371 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,920 The hardest thing for me through all of this 372 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,480 was the going to see my parents, 373 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,760 to tell them that somebody had stolen money off them. 374 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,600 There I had Jeremy, who'd had this stroke. 375 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,640 He was there around the table. 376 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,200 And his reaction, he understood what was going on. 377 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,960 He understood something... 378 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,160 ..maybe more than he could actually tell me, 379 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,880 which I think is so, so sad. 380 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,960 Gareth Hamblin's investment of £305,000 into CEX Markets 381 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,720 also takes a turn for the worst. 382 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,680 We'd had the money in there for about 18 months by that stage. 383 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,600 Around about September of 2018, I was on a ship 384 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,520 and I decided I would have a look at how my fund was growing. 385 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:18,200 But as I looked for CEX Markets, suddenly the site didn't come up. 386 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,240 I couldn't believe it. 387 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960 First off, I thought there was something wrong with my computer, 388 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,400 there was something not right. 389 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,720 But I couldn't... I couldn't get CEX Markets up. 390 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,920 It was just not available. 391 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,920 After trying the online stuff and nothing opening, 392 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,160 Dad obviously thought, "OK, well, I'll call this Paul Kingsley," 393 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,320 who's been this reliable contact, you know, always picks up the phone. 394 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,480 And when he tries to phone him, the line is dead. 395 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320 So, dead line to this guy who's always been contactable - 396 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,160 I think alarm bells started to ring. 397 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,240 I made every effort to try and contact Mr Kingsley via phone, 398 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,440 via email, but he'd just vanished off the face of the earth. 399 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,080 It was a terrible feeling. 400 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,040 I'm on the ship. I'm at work. 401 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,280 I don't have my family around me. 402 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,720 And I've suddenly realised I've lost a lot of money. 403 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,680 Our investment with CEX is gone. 404 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,080 My thoughts were... 405 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,720 ..how do I tell people about this? 406 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,160 Who do I let know first? 407 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,040 I need to ring Marilyn. 408 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,040 So after a few minutes, after I'd plucked up courage, I rang Marilyn. 409 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,920 He phones me... 410 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,160 ..and I had never heard him so distraught. 411 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,640 He... Well, he couldn't speak. 412 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,200 He just couldn't get the words out. 413 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,000 And then he said, "Something terrible's happened. 414 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,240 "We've lost the money in CEX. It's disappeared." 415 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,320 The worst bit of this story with Mum and Dad 416 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:55,880 is the fact that Dad was at sea, 417 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440 and I think he had several weeks yet of his contract 418 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,040 before he was coming home. 419 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,320 And I think it's very hard to fathom 420 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,880 how difficult that would be to live with. 421 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,400 There's no doubt about it - 422 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,520 I did think something drastic might happen. 423 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,360 It could have been a possibility 424 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040 that he might have tried to end his life. 425 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,480 I don't think he would have done, 426 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,960 but I'm 5,000 miles away, so I don't know that for sure. 427 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,800 It will be another six weeks before Gareth returns home. 428 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,480 While Marilyn waits for him, she takes matters into her own hands. 429 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,640 Mum definitely took over the pragmatic role 430 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,440 of wanting to get to the bottom of who these people were 431 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,120 and how they'd managed to do this. 432 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,120 So she took it to Action Fraud. 433 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,560 Nicola also decides to contact Action Fraud 434 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,120 to tell them she believes her mum has fallen victim to a scam. 435 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,920 I know that I need to report this to Action Fraud. 436 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,080 If there was any hope of getting any money back, 437 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,280 I needed to do it as soon as possible. 438 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,600 Action Fraud also receives calls from other people 439 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040 reporting similar scams, 440 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,280 all of which are forwarded to the City of London Police. 441 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,400 I was working as a detective constable 442 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920 on our financial investigation unit. 443 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,880 At that time, we had a number of intelligence reports coming in 444 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,240 that people seemed to be falling prey to investment fraud. 445 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080 There are similarities between each case. 446 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,360 Everybody had lost a lot of money. 447 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720 Often the victims were elderly 448 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,200 or people certainly with a disposable income. 449 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240 They all understood and believed what they were doing was right, 450 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,600 and they were helping themselves and their family going forward. 451 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,200 But the lights had gone out on their investment 452 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,160 and they were left with nothing. 453 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,640 There was around 12 victims. I need to speak to the victims. 454 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,720 I need to understand a bit of the background 455 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,720 into what they believed was happening. 456 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,680 Detective Inspector Nichola Meghji and her team 457 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,240 listen to how the victims were first contacted. 458 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,560 A number of people had received cold calls, 459 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680 and we believe that they would have been on a list. 460 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Their data is obtained and it's sold usually on the dark web. 461 00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,000 Others had gone online and they'd searched "Best investments to make". 462 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,360 And at the top of Google had come a website address 463 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600 where they completed in their name and phone number 464 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560 and they call it a warm call - they were called off that list. 465 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Police also look into the companies 466 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,480 in which the victims invested their money. 467 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760 All of our investors had invested in three companies, 468 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840 and it becomes apparent to me very quickly 469 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,120 that the companies are totally fraudulent. 470 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,480 They're not at the premises where they were supposed to be, 471 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,600 and there is no legitimacy about them at all. 472 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,240 So at this point, I'm confident there's a fraud, 473 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,560 and I'm confident that we need to launch an investigation into it. 474 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,080 I was angry. Shocked. 475 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,320 Just unbelievable. 476 00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:00,720 Just unbelievable that somebody has no conscience. 477 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,800 I don't have any words to describe it. It was devastating. 478 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,640 How could these people do this? 479 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,520 How could they manage to appear to be so genuine and yet be so false? 480 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,320 It makes me hugely angry. 481 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,320 They have no idea about my parents. 482 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,120 They have no idea about what they've sacrificed - 483 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,680 all the Christmases that my dad's missed, 484 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,240 all the birthdays that he's missed, 485 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,440 all the school performances, holidays, all sorts of things. 486 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960 Who is it for these people to take their money from them? 487 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,240 It's just extremely upsetting. 488 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,760 It started off as these three companies, 489 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,760 but as the intelligence and investigation evidence developed, 490 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,840 it became very clear that, actually, 491 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,640 we were looking at multiple boiler rooms, as we'd call them. 492 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,600 A boiler room investment fraud 493 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,280 is where a scammer sells worthless shares to its investors. 494 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,600 This is effectively an office with a bank of phones in 495 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,120 where people are cold calling people. 496 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,160 These are people that have looked on the internet to invest their money. 497 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,800 With this type of fraud, 498 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,800 the tactics that these investment fraudsters use 499 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,400 are very sophisticated. 500 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,760 They even have sounds behind them such as phones ringing, 501 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,680 the click-clacking of keyboards, 502 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,080 everything that makes it seem legitimate and credible. 503 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,640 These fraudsters are often very well-spoken, very eloquent, 504 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440 and they seem very professional, 505 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,280 the kind of person that you wouldn't question their legitimacy 506 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 and you would believe them and you'd seek advice from. 507 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,680 Police look at the fake investment companies' bank accounts 508 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520 to see what happened to the victims' money. 509 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,680 I look at the money coming in from the investor. 510 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640 I then have to trace where that money's gone. 511 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,400 And from the tracing of that money, 512 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,080 it identifies additional bank accounts that we need to obtain. 513 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,240 So you obtain an initial ten bank accounts, 514 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,320 follow the money, and that might lead to obtaining 50 bank accounts. 515 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,720 And from those bank accounts, 516 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,160 the movement of money became quite large quite quickly. 517 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,480 Police also discover that the funds were transferred 518 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,040 across a web of accounts, including cryptocurrency accounts, 519 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,600 and even foreign accounts 520 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,280 in countries such as the UAE and Lithuania. 521 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 It became apparent to me then 522 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,760 that this was a really sophisticated and complex investigation. 523 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,960 When DI Meghji and her team look further into the accounts, 524 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,840 they discover something else. 525 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,440 When I obtain bank accounts, 526 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400 I look to identify the fraudulent account, 527 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,680 and then I almost reverse it 528 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560 so that then I can see who's paid into the account, 529 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,920 which is where, very, very quickly, the victim list grew from 12 530 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240 to, as it stands, over 300. 531 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,960 We didn't realise it was as massive as it was. 532 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,680 I was shocked, absolutely shocked. 533 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560 KATE: Every one of these families affected has a story. 534 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600 It's not the same as Mum and Dad's. 535 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160 But they've screwed all these people's lives up. 536 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680 Some of the investors would have invested 10,000 537 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440 and some nearing 500,000. 538 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680 It's not just elderly, vulnerable people falling victim. 539 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,840 We have in this case victims who are solicitors, 540 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,440 victims who are doctors, 541 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,840 victims who are 30 and victims who are 90, 542 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,840 so this really is affecting anyone in society. 543 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600 It shows the ability of these fraudsters 544 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,160 to make their frauds relevant and interesting and appealing 545 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320 to absolutely everybody. 546 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,080 They're a bit like chameleons, really. 547 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200 They can design the way they talk to make it feel absolutely relevant 548 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,080 to whoever it is they're contacting. 549 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,520 I felt ashamed... 550 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,360 ..that that amount of money had gone. 551 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,400 I know she started to feel very ashamed 552 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,960 that she might have done something wrong, 553 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,280 which she didn't need to. 554 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440 But totally understandable that someone would feel like that. 555 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,720 KATE: Dad was obviously in a really bad place. 556 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240 Very depressed. He didn't want to eat. 557 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800 He was very quiet. 558 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,480 I think this really shook him to his core. 559 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,400 I think it makes you feel enormously vulnerable. 560 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880 It's an enormous knock to confidence. 561 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440 We have two daughters, now four grandchildren. 562 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,520 You feel you've let everybody down. 563 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840 What am I going to do? What am I going to do for the future? 564 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480 How am I ever going to be able to retire? 565 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,720 I've lost everything. I've lost everything. 566 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,360 Meanwhile, the police continue with their investigation. 567 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,240 With almost all cases of investment frauds, 568 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,240 what we find is that the victims have formed a relationship 569 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120 with the person at the end of the phone. 570 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840 People would be hoping that we'd find a Dave Clark 571 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,480 and find a Paul Kingsley. 572 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,080 But actually, they're alias names, 573 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560 and therefore we can never find them. 574 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840 But also the people working in the boiler room, 575 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,200 some of them might not even realise they're involved in fraud. 576 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880 They might think they're in a call centre developing sales leads 577 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720 for genuine investments. 578 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320 So we have to work hard to explain to victims 579 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,520 that we have a limit as to who we can target. 580 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600 JENNY: I thought it was David Clark. 581 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720 You won't know who they are or where they are 582 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680 because they probably have gone. 583 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,120 They could have been innocent people. We don't know. 584 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,000 The police believe the different boiler rooms 585 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,760 were run by the same people and direct their focus 586 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,720 to identifying those in charge of the operations. 587 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,960 We were always after where the money went to. 588 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480 And that's the person I go after. 589 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,760 That's done by analysing the bank statements. 590 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,920 Police discover that over £1 million of the scammed money 591 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560 was transferred by a man named John Mayer 592 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,480 to a legitimate Bitcoin converting company. 593 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920 I made a lot of enquiries to work out if the name John Mayer 594 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,600 was legitimate, but it wasn't - it was actually an alias name. 595 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600 The only clue to John Mayer's true identity 596 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640 is the telephone number they used to conduct business 597 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,480 with the Bitcoin converting company. 598 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160 I could not attribute this phone to a person. 599 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,800 I found out it was a pay-as-you-go phone with no details. 600 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520 Having had no luck with looking at the calls 601 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,240 and the texts to the phone, 602 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000 the next step will be to look at plotting where the phone has been 603 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,480 using GPS data. 604 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,160 With this phone, we have to put that phone in someone's hand. 605 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000 We have to find out the locations 606 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000 of where that person holding the phone is. 607 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560 What we saw was that the phone had travelled 608 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360 to a number of UK airports. 609 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,640 The idea is then to try and find who was on those flights 610 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,640 and where they were heading to. 611 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,760 Using an analyst's skills, we were able to overlay flight data 612 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240 with this phone number to work out what our commonality was. 613 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,400 We looked at the manifests of flights within the time span 614 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920 of where the phone was pinged and where it was live. 615 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,080 What I need to do now is to work out whether we have one person 616 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,960 that has boarded all of these flights 617 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,520 and taken that phone with them to work out who my suspect is. 618 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,160 Police are using flight and phone data 619 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,360 to track down a suspect who they believe received over £1 million 620 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000 that was conned out of hundreds of victims 621 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,680 in a sophisticated boiler room scam. 622 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,960 Having undertaken this process of matching up flight manifests 623 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,320 with the GPS data, 624 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160 we were able to come up with one person 625 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,440 that had travelled across all of the six flights - 626 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,680 and that person was Jonathan Arafiena. 627 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,200 Now we've got a name, we must quickly act on it 628 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,520 and look to make an arrest. So it's really important then to work out 629 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,160 where Jonathan Arafiena lives. 630 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,200 Police are able to link Arafiena to two London properties - 631 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,840 one in Vauxhall, and one in Soho. 632 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,080 I went to the address in Vauxhall. 633 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,720 The apartment was empty, but it was furnished very expensively. 634 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Inside the property were a number of very high-value watches. 635 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480 There were expensive clothes, expensive shoes, 636 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360 lots of jewellery. So it really did appear that someone living 637 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,040 a very nice lifestyle had been staying at the address. 638 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,800 As police search the property, they make an important discovery. 639 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,120 We recovered the SIM card used to contact the Bitcoin company. 640 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,840 So, a fantastic find, 641 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,520 which really proved to me that we had got the right person. 642 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,800 Meanwhile, DI Meghji's other team head towards the Soho property 643 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,920 with a search warrant. 644 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040 They have been able to knock on the door, 645 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000 and Jonathan Arafiena has answered. 646 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Let me see your hands. 647 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,840 All right, right, sit up. 648 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,160 He'd just got out of bed. I think we woke him up. 649 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,160 People like Jonathan Arafiena and other sophisticated criminals 650 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,920 don't ever expect to be caught. 651 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,800 He'd gone to great lengths to conceal who he was. 652 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,960 And I would say it was a real shock to him 653 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,040 that the police were at his door that morning. 654 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,400 Arafiena is arrested and his Soho property is searched. 655 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,560 Rather similar to the other property, 656 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,480 he had watches and jewellery 657 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880 and extremely expensive shoes and clothes, 658 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,360 which we looked to then seize 659 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,560 so that we can try and recoup some of that money. 660 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,240 Arafiena also had a Rolls-Royce Wraith. 661 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,360 It was parked outside the address, and that was seized as well. 662 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,480 But it's Arafiena's phone that is a key piece of evidence against him. 663 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Nothing had been deleted. 664 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040 There was full evidence of all that he was involved with on there. 665 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,880 On his phone was a number of victims' details. 666 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,360 Within the contact details wasn't just phone numbers, 667 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120 there was PIN numbers, account numbers. 668 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,480 And ultimately, that's what's proved the case 669 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000 and allowed the police to get the prosecution. 670 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,520 Arafiena is not charged in connection with the fraud itself. 671 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,360 The police find evidence that he received money conned out 672 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,400 of the victims and he is charged with money laundering. 673 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,000 We were very happy 674 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080 to be able to feel that somebody was being held accountable. 675 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640 Police also charge two other people. 676 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,400 One of them was his right-hand man 677 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,480 who was assisting him with cashing out on money. 678 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240 And the other person was the person setting up the websites, 679 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,080 the landing pages and dealing with the Google ads in this case. 680 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,080 While police gather their evidence for a court case, 681 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,360 Jenny and Nicola receive devastating news. 682 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,760 I... 683 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,680 ..had a phone call from my mum. 684 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,840 They'd had an appointment at hospital. 685 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,880 She was very, very, very upset. 686 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,800 She said he's diagnosed with leukaemia. 687 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400 That was hard. 688 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,960 And he never did anything, really, much after that again. 689 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680 He just sort of...gradually went down. 690 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,720 And he died the following January. 691 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,400 It was...devastating. 692 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,440 Just like nothing's the same again, is it? 693 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,120 With the fraud, he never saw the finish of it, sadly. 694 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040 Realising he wouldn't get away with his crimes, 695 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,640 Arafiena pleads guilty to money laundering. 696 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040 The police were able to, through very, very diligent work 697 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960 and putting a lot of people on this for a long time, 698 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,600 were able to build a case against Arafiena 699 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,000 that was so watertight, he had no opportunity but to plead guilty 700 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,920 because of the substantial amount of evidence against him. 701 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,600 In February 2024, 702 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,720 Jonathan Arafiena's hearing takes place at Southwark Crown Court. 703 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,240 I said to Gareth, "I am going to that. 704 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,080 "Come hell or high water, I'm going to that." 705 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,800 I just need to see who was capable of doing these things. 706 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,840 My mum wanted to go, she wanted to see what the defendants looked like. 707 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,560 And I think she just felt she needed it for closure. 708 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,960 A number of the victims were asked to make victim statements 709 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,640 and were read out in the court, 710 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,160 and you realise how many lives this man, Jonathan Arafiena, 711 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,360 has impacted - thousands of people's lives, 712 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,200 not just the 350 people who are directly involved, 713 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,360 but all the people associated with them. 714 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,280 So the impact of what he's done is absolutely huge. 715 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,800 The courtroom is informed 716 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,960 of how Arafiena had spent his victims' money. 717 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,520 There was around £12 million of sums invested and lost, 718 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,480 and we were able to directly link 3.5 million to Jonathan Arafiena. 719 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,240 The majority of it has just been spent on him having a lovely life. 720 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,440 GARETH: He's living in big apartments in London 721 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960 and living a lifestyle which far exceeds anything 722 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,800 that any of us could ever envisage. 723 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,840 He spent £14,000 on concierge services. 724 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,320 He had the Rolls-Royce car worth in excess of £200,000. 725 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,120 The money was spent on lavish holidays, 726 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,000 high-end jewellery, designer clothes. 727 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,120 He's paid off his parents' mortgage with my money. 728 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,840 It's infuriating. 729 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400 It's not like this man did anything good with this money. 730 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,920 He just spent it on completely frivolous things 731 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000 that my parents would never have spent their money on. 732 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,000 I mean, if that does not make you angry, nothing will. 733 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,920 I mean, you know, these are good people who had money set aside 734 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,560 for good purposes, and this person just took it 735 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000 and just blew it, completely. 736 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,360 As the court hearing comes to a close, 737 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,880 Jonathan Arafiena is sentenced to five years and nine months 738 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,160 in prison. 739 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,760 The other two men receive suspended sentences. 740 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,520 We had worked on this investigation for five years, 741 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800 so to see that end result was really rewarding. 742 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,400 But we still saw no remorse. 743 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440 GARETH: It's hard to express my feelings 744 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,280 as far as Jonathan Arafiena is concerned. 745 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,320 I feel that the sentence he's been given, 746 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,600 in all honesty, is wholly inadequate. 747 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,520 I think he should have been locked up for at least ten years. 748 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680 Following Arafiena's sentencing, 749 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:51,760 Jenny has received back almost half of her £50,000 loss. 750 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080 Unfortunately, Jeremy never saw the conclusion, 751 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,920 but the police were able to successfully get £22,000 back. 752 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,520 I was very fortunate. 753 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,320 I just feel so sad 754 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,840 that, obviously, nobody else said they'd had any money back. 755 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,560 So I feel, really, for them. 756 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,160 Gareth Hamblin is waiting to find out 757 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,520 if he will get back any of his missing £305,000. 758 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,880 It is very galling to think he took that money 759 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120 and put it somewhere that he thought it was going to be safe, 760 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,280 to grow it, ready to come home, ready to retire with. 761 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,440 To know that that has not been what's happened to that money 762 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,720 is extremely upsetting. 763 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480 Rather than Dad retiring, he'll still be working 764 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600 trying to recover money that he should never have had 765 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,560 to try to recover, because he'd already earned it. 766 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,160 It's not just the money that's been taken from me, 767 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,720 but it's the time. It's the time I've lost - 768 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080 the time with the grandchildren, the time with my wife. 769 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600 We're both getting older. 770 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,960 And that's what these criminals have done to me. 771 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,240 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 65372

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