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He was charming,
he was well-spoken.
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He became a person you would
consider to be a supportive friend.
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No red flags,
nothing to worry about.
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I trusted him.
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When I saw the FCA warning,
I felt sick.
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I was frightened.
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It was a terrible feeling.
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I've suddenly realised I've lost
a lot of money.
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It makes me hugely angry.
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They have no idea about my parents.
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They have no idea about
what they've sacrificed.
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This was not their money,
whoever these people are.
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I've lost everything.
I've lost everything.
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Gareth Hamblin has worked at sea
as a ship's engineer
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in the Merchant Navy and on
cruise liners for over 50 years.
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I've always enjoyed what I do.
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I spend my time away to be able
to provide for my family
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to give them a good life.
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And that's the driver.
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That's the driver for going away.
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We have a really happy family life.
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Got a younger sister,
four years younger than me.
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Dad has always worked really hard.
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And when we were kids,
Dad was away a lot -
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like, between six and nine months.
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Me, Mum and Lizzy
spent a lot of time on our own.
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Dad misses loads of family events
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and, you know, Christmases
and all things like that.
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I wasn't cross that Gareth
wasn't there for Kate's birth.
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I was too busy, to be fair!
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But, yes, it's a sacrifice,
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but whatever profession that
you marry into, you have to adapt.
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It seems like an odd lifestyle
to other people,
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but you just learn to accept it.
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And we've spent long periods at sea
with Dad
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and, you know,
we're really proud of him.
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In 2017, Gareth decides he wants
to retire in the next two years.
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In terms of Dad retiring,
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I think he spent a long time away,
especially from Mum.
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And quite obviously they're not
getting any younger
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and I think they were hoping
to spend more time
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just doing all the things that you
look forward to doing in retirement,
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you know, going on holiday more,
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spending time with children,
with the grandchildren.
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So, yeah, you know,
Dad was definitely looking forward
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to retiring and spending
a bit more time on dry land.
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With Gareth's retirement
fast approaching,
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he and his family looked
to secure their financial future.
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Mum and Dad have always been careful
with money.
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They've always been thinking
about the future.
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They're of that generation,
you know, saving is a massive thing.
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As you get older,
you've hopefully paid your mortgage,
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so the money that you earn
is more available to you.
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So I started looking around at what
the investment opportunities were.
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Gareth looks online and finds
a website for an investment company
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called CEX Markets, based in London.
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I looked at what they did.
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They were involved in
currency trading -
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not Bitcoin - straight currencies,
major currencies and other equities.
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Their website was
very professional-looking,
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and I did feel that this looked like
an organisation
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that I could probably trust.
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Gareth applies to open an account
and promptly receives a phone call
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from a representative
named Paul Kingsley.
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When I spoke to Mr Kingsley,
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I made it clear that
I wasn't interested
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in trying to make a quick profit.
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I was looking at something
long term.
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I wanted it to become some kind
of steady income stream
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and he gave me the reassurances
that their businesses
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were a long term view.
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I felt the returns
were very reasonable.
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And it just seemed very secure.
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Dad's always been interested
in these things.
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He loves researching them.
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And I think he obviously felt that
he had found, you know,
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a good investment scheme.
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So, yeah. No initial concerns.
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Obviously, there must be some degree
of wariness
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about when you invest money.
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But to alleviate that,
Mr Kingsley said,
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"Well, why don't you make
a small investment first,
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"then you can follow the returns
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"and become confident that
what we're doing is reliable?"
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This chap obviously knew
what he was talking about.
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So, he was able
to make Gareth feel relaxed
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and confident
that all would be well.
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When you phone up and you can speak
to the same person again and again
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and again, you think, "Yeah, yeah,
they're in control of it.
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"They'll answer my questions.
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"They've totally
got a handle on this."
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Paul Kingsley, I think,
fairly quickly became a person
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you would consider to be
a supportive friend
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and you felt confident about.
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To convince somebody
to give their money,
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you have to be a really
smooth operator.
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You have to be really great
with language
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and you have to be confident.
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So you have to be very personable,
not too pushy,
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but direct and professional
and believable.
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Filled with confidence,
Gareth decides to invest £5,000.
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We talked about
anti-money laundering requirements
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from their side,
so again I felt this was realistic.
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He said it all had
to go through their people,
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make sure it was all legitimate,
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and when that was all passed, then
the money was actually transferred
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and the first investment
was started.
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The thing that I liked about CEX
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was you had a website
to be able to check in on,
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and you could see how your money
was growing.
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You could look at it any time.
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You could check these things.
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You could log in
and check that everything was fine.
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You can phone up
and somebody responds to you
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and it's the same person,
someone with a name, you know?
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It makes you think, "Yeah, this is
all completely legitimate,
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"all fine."
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Regular checks on the account
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confirmed that it was generating
about 1.5% a month.
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On the 5,000 I initially invested,
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I think I saw
in the first few months
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growth of somewhere around about
£500 or £600.
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So of course, you'd be thinking,
"This is great.
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"Really glad I took the money
from here and put it in here."
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Three months after transferring
£5,000 into CEX Markets,
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Gareth decides to invest
even more money.
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With the confidence of
the 5,000 growing
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and having spoken to Mr Kingsley
and realised
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that there were opportunities
to increase the investment,
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I decided to invest
a large sum of money.
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That investment then continued
to grow.
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So once you see it building,
once you see it doing well,
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you then think,
"I'd be crazy not to add to this."
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So the decision was made, having
given it a lot of careful thought,
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to put in £140,000.
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So now I've got approximately
£145,000 invested in CEX.
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It all looked good.
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And it continues to do well.
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It continues to all look
completely legit.
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So no red flags, nothing to worry
about. Still very happy.
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It looked really good.
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But if I'd only known.
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If I'd only known.
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In Oxfordshire,
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Gareth Hamblin has transferred
£145,000 from his life savings
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to investment firm CEX Markets,
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aiming to make long-term returns
for retirement.
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I felt that I could look forward
in a few years' time
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to having a decent pot of money
that I could rely upon.
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And then retirement would be
literally around the corner.
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140 miles away, in South Devon,
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Jenny and Jeremy have also
spent years saving for retirement.
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Jeremy was a very kind, lovely
gentleman and it was, you know,
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it was a wonderful relationship.
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Mum and Jeremy had a relationship
I think very few people get.
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They were very happy.
Incredibly happy.
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Very clear to see how much they both
loved each other.
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In 2018, Nicola's stepfather Jeremy
is suddenly taken ill.
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He had a stroke
and that affected his speech.
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It was a shock. It was a big shock.
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The damage from the stroke
then came out over hours and days.
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There was some confusion
with a few words.
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But that got worse and his speech
was affected far worse
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as time went on.
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We're all very worried as a family.
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And clearly Mum was,
you know, devastated from it,
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as was, I think, Jeremy,
from what he could, you know,
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comprehend and understand.
He knew what had happened.
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When it came to finances,
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I was lost because he was the one
who always dealt with it.
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They were together for 30 years,
and that's a long time.
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And then for Mum to all of a sudden
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have to start doing the day-to-day
things that she'd never done -
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paying all the bills.
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I was terrified,
absolutely terrified.
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He was really unable
to advise me.
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Say yay or nay.
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Only a month after Jeremy's stroke,
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Jenny is faced with
the responsibility
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of managing one of
their investments.
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Mum receives a letter to say that
some of her shares are expiring,
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and if she doesn't cash them in,
she will lose them.
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I think it would have been
about £3,000,
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the value of the shares at the time.
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It wasn't a great amount,
but it was an amount that I thought,
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"Right, I don't want to lose that."
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So she cashes the shares in,
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and within a month,
the £3,000 is paid to them
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and is in her bank account.
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Two weeks later, Jenny receives
a call from a man named David Clark,
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a representative of an investment
company called Atwood Stanley.
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He says that he knows that
she's recently cashed in some shares
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and offers her the opportunity
to buy new shares
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with the money for a good return.
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Mum was told that she would have
a 6% return on the money
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and she will have
twice-yearly interest.
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She feels that this is something
that would be worth considering.
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But she's unable
to consult Jeremy about it
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because of the situation
following the stroke.
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Without the ability to discuss
the offer with Jeremy,
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Jenny ponders on whether
she can trust David Clark
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from Atwood Stanley.
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David Clark came across
as very professional,
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knowledgeable about
what he was talking about
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from the financial point of view.
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David Clark was a very, very
well-spoken, educated person.
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It sounded feasible.
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So I trusted him.
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And therefore she duly entered into
the agreement with him
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and made the transfer of £3,000
to the account
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that David Clark had given her.
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And so she thinks that,
you know, that's it.
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She sits back and hopes that
in six months' time
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that she will see a good return
on her money.
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Back in Oxfordshire,
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Gareth Hamblin's investment
of £145,000 in CEX Markets
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has been steadily growing
for over nine months.
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I was confident. We had...
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..regular contact
with Paul Kingsley.
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And I had some more money
that had come available to me
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from other investments
that had matured,
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and that money had to do something.
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So I felt confident enough
to talk to Mr Kingsley
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about putting another large sum in.
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And we talked about putting in
another £160,000.
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Before Dad decides
to put this final big chunk in,
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he obviously decided,
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"I want to meet this Paul Kingsley
face-to-face."
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I felt I was beginning
to know Mr Kingsley so well
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that I'd almost like
to make a friend of him
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and go for a drink with him.
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He was very happy with that.
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So he set up a date
and we arranged to go.
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Being able to meet somebody
in person and not just somebody
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on the end of a phone call
or a website
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makes it seem much more legitimate,
much more credible
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because you're meeting
a human being.
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Meeting face-to-face
is beneficial for an individual
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who feels like that person is real,
tangible, trustworthy,
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and they'd feel they'd recognise
if someone was lying to their face.
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Paul Kingsley agrees to meet Gareth
at Heron Tower
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in the City of London.
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The building's a big,
glassy, prestigious,
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imposing-looking building.
Gives you the feeling
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that I'm dealing with genuine,
big operators here.
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There was a buzz, I suppose. I felt
sort of, "Yeah, this is good."
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I sit in the seat.
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About five minutes later,
a gentleman approaches me
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and says to me his name was Lewis,
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and he was a colleague
of Mr Kingsley.
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Lewis looked very sharp.
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I would say he was a young man
of about early 30s,
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very well-dressed,
very well-presented, very polite.
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Lewis tells Gareth that
Paul Kingsley is unable
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to attend the meeting in person.
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And then while Dad was talking to
him, this Paul Kingsley phones up
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and says, "Oh, can I have a chat
with Gareth?
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"I'm really, really sorry.
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"You know, last-minute thing.
I had to go to Denmark."
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He had told me before
that he dealt with banks in Denmark.
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And so I was disappointed
not to meet him,
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but at the same time I felt, "Well,
it's better that he's getting on
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"with business than spending
his time just talking to me."
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And so, again, it endorsed
my feeling
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that he was doing what he said
he was doing.
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I came back home, talked to Marilyn,
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and agreed that we would make
the additional investment.
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At this stage,
once we'd put the 160,000 in,
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we now put 305,000 in total,
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which was growing, growing steadily.
I felt confident.
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I thought that the future
was secured.
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Meanwhile, Jenny continues to speak
to Atwood Stanley's representative,
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David Clark, after giving them
£3,000 to invest on her behalf.
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Having David Clark constantly
keeping in contact with Mum,
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reassuring her and talking to her,
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gave her the confidence or the
belief that he was there for her.
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And it was probably a bit of
a relief, you know,
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to trust somebody, because you
couldn't go to your husband any more
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because he's not well enough
for you to go to,
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that somebody else is providing that
that platform
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and he would look after
the finances.
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So he probably was a safety net.
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But after several months,
Jenny has a change of heart.
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When I started to think about it,
I did want my money back.
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I had no interest,
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and I thought I would have had
some interest by now.
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Mum asked David Clark on
numerous occasions
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to either sell the shares
and have the money back
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or to have the investments paid back
to her.
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But there was always a caveat -
you can have it back,
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but you need to give us
a little bit more money first
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because of this
financial regulation,
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when you hadn't reached the ceiling
limit of your investments
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to be able to get it back
at this stage.
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I agreed.
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Having already paid the 3,000,
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the next figure was for...
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Was it 22,000?
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After Jenny deposits this huge sum,
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David Clark tells her that
the £25,000 she has now invested
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is still not large enough for her
to withdraw her money.
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This time, she's told she needs
to pay a further £18,000.
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So Mum transfers this money.
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Mum started to become concerned that
the investments were a lot larger
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than she was ever anticipating,
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bearing in mind this started
from a £3,000 sale of shares.
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Every time she had the conversation
with David Clark
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about withdrawing the money,
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then she was enticed into making
further sums to reach this limit
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so that she would then be able
to have the money back.
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This is a psychological tactic.
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It's often termed as
a sunk cost fallacy.
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You've already put money in,
you don't want to lose it,
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so you will do whatever you can
in order to secure that money
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and get it back.
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If you're told you need
to keep investing money
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in order to safeguard your initial
investment, you will do.
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Feeling hopeful that
her latest investment is sufficient
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to retrieve back her funds,
Jenny contacts David Clark.
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She's told that the financial
regulations have changed
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and he then requests
a further £7,000,
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which would take her total
investment to £50,000.
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Following a final payment,
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Mum comes to the conclusion that
she needs to share it with somebody.
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I think she realises deep down
that something's not quite right.
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She's constantly being asked
for more money.
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It was then I got hold of Nicola
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because I couldn't see
where it was all going
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and I was frightened.
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My mum sounded very distressed,
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which is unusual for me
to hear Mum like that.
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And she explains to me
that she's done something,
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that she feels ashamed,
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that she's extremely worried
about it, she can't sleep,
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and then explains to me about
these investments that she's made.
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So Mum said to me,
"Let's ring David Clark.
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"He's a real person. He's there.
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"You'll see, he's very nice."
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So we did ring David Clark.
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He was charming,
he was well-spoken,
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you know, he wasn't rude to me.
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I was probably rude to him.
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I basically said to him, Mum had
been requesting her money back
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for quite some time.
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Therefore, I wanted to see
some evidence
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of these monies being returned.
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David Clark assured us he would
be able to get that to us.
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And I said to him that
I didn't trust him,
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and if I find out that this is not
legitimate investment,
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I am going to go to the police.
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And at that point,
the conversation ended
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with him just reassuring us again
that the investments
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were being cashed in and that
Mum would have her money back
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and it would be in her account
before Christmas.
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Feeling suspicious of David Clark,
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Nicola conducts her own research
into Atwood Stanley.
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I went online and I searched
Atwood Stanley.
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And at the top of the search pages
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was the Financial Conduct
Authority's warning
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of Atwood Stanley.
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They were unregulated,
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and there was evidence they'd been
providing financial advice
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to individuals
whilst being unregulated.
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When I saw the FCA warning...
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..I felt sick.
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It's just that realisation
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that they were never going to
get this money back.
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Jenny has invested £50,000
with Atwood Stanley.
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But her daughter Nicola
has discovered the company
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is on the FCA's warning list
of unauthorised firms.
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The hardest thing for me
through all of this
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was the going to see my parents,
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to tell them that somebody had
stolen money off them.
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There I had Jeremy,
who'd had this stroke.
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He was there around the table.
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And his reaction,
he understood what was going on.
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He understood something...
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..maybe more than he could actually
tell me,
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which I think is so, so sad.
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Gareth Hamblin's investment
of £305,000 into CEX Markets
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also takes a turn for the worst.
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We'd had the money in there
for about 18 months by that stage.
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Around about September of 2018,
I was on a ship
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and I decided I would have a look
at how my fund was growing.
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But as I looked for CEX Markets,
suddenly the site didn't come up.
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I couldn't believe it.
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First off, I thought there was
something wrong with my computer,
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there was something not right.
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But I couldn't...
I couldn't get CEX Markets up.
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It was just not available.
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After trying the online stuff
and nothing opening,
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Dad obviously thought, "OK, well,
I'll call this Paul Kingsley,"
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who's been this reliable contact,
you know, always picks up the phone.
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And when he tries to phone him,
the line is dead.
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So, dead line to this guy
who's always been contactable -
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I think alarm bells started
to ring.
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I made every effort to try
and contact Mr Kingsley via phone,
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via email, but he'd just vanished
off the face of the earth.
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It was a terrible feeling.
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I'm on the ship.
I'm at work.
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I don't have my family around me.
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And I've suddenly realised
I've lost a lot of money.
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Our investment with CEX is gone.
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00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,080
My thoughts were...
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00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,720
..how do I tell people about this?
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Who do I let know first?
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I need to ring Marilyn.
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00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,040
So after a few minutes, after I'd
plucked up courage, I rang Marilyn.
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He phones me...
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..and I had never heard him
so distraught.
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He... Well, he couldn't speak.
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He just couldn't get
the words out.
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And then he said,
"Something terrible's happened.
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"We've lost the money in CEX.
It's disappeared."
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The worst bit of this story
with Mum and Dad
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is the fact that Dad was at sea,
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and I think he had several weeks yet
of his contract
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before he was coming home.
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And I think it's very hard to fathom
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how difficult that would be
to live with.
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There's no doubt about it -
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I did think something drastic
might happen.
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It could have been a possibility
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that he might have tried
to end his life.
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I don't think he would have done,
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but I'm 5,000 miles away,
so I don't know that for sure.
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00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,800
It will be another six weeks
before Gareth returns home.
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00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,480
While Marilyn waits for him, she
takes matters into her own hands.
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Mum definitely took over
the pragmatic role
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of wanting to get to the bottom of
who these people were
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and how they'd managed to do this.
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So she took it to Action Fraud.
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00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,560
Nicola also decides
to contact Action Fraud
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to tell them she believes her mum
has fallen victim to a scam.
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00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,920
I know that I need to report this
to Action Fraud.
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If there was any hope
of getting any money back,
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I needed to do it as soon
as possible.
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00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Action Fraud also receives calls
from other people
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00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040
reporting similar scams,
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all of which are forwarded
to the City of London Police.
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I was working as
a detective constable
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on our financial investigation unit.
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At that time, we had a number
of intelligence reports coming in
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that people seemed to be
falling prey to investment fraud.
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00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080
There are similarities between
each case.
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Everybody had lost a lot of money.
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Often the victims were elderly
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or people certainly with
a disposable income.
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They all understood and believed
what they were doing was right,
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and they were helping themselves
and their family going forward.
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But the lights had gone out
on their investment
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and they were left with nothing.
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There was around 12 victims.
I need to speak to the victims.
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I need to understand a bit of
the background
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into what they believed
was happening.
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00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Detective Inspector Nichola Meghji
and her team
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listen to how the victims
were first contacted.
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A number of people had received
cold calls,
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00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,680
and we believe that they would
have been on a list.
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00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080
Their data is obtained and
it's sold usually on the dark web.
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00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:15,000
Others had gone online and they'd
searched "Best investments to make".
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00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,360
And at the top of Google
had come a website address
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00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,600
where they completed in their name
and phone number
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00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,560
and they call it a warm call -
they were called off that list.
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00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Police also look into the companies
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in which the victims
invested their money.
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00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760
All of our investors had invested
in three companies,
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00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,840
and it becomes apparent to me
very quickly
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that the companies are
totally fraudulent.
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They're not at the premises
where they were supposed to be,
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00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,600
and there is no legitimacy
about them at all.
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So at this point,
I'm confident there's a fraud,
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and I'm confident that we need to
launch an investigation into it.
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I was angry. Shocked.
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Just unbelievable.
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00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:00,720
Just unbelievable that
somebody has no conscience.
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00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,800
I don't have any words
to describe it. It was devastating.
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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,640
How could these people do this?
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00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,520
How could they manage to appear to
be so genuine and yet be so false?
480
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,320
It makes me hugely angry.
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00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,320
They have no idea about my parents.
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00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,120
They have no idea about
what they've sacrificed -
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all the Christmases
that my dad's missed,
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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,240
all the birthdays that he's missed,
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00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,440
all the school performances,
holidays, all sorts of things.
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00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Who is it for these people
to take their money from them?
487
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,240
It's just extremely upsetting.
488
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,760
It started off
as these three companies,
489
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,760
but as the intelligence and
investigation evidence developed,
490
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,840
it became very clear
that, actually,
491
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,640
we were looking at multiple
boiler rooms, as we'd call them.
492
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,600
A boiler room investment fraud
493
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,280
is where a scammer sells
worthless shares to its investors.
494
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,600
This is effectively an office
with a bank of phones in
495
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,120
where people are
cold calling people.
496
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,160
These are people that have looked on
the internet to invest their money.
497
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,800
With this type of fraud,
498
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,800
the tactics that
these investment fraudsters use
499
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,400
are very sophisticated.
500
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,760
They even have sounds behind them
such as phones ringing,
501
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,680
the click-clacking of keyboards,
502
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,080
everything that makes it seem
legitimate and credible.
503
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,640
These fraudsters are often
very well-spoken, very eloquent,
504
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440
and they seem very professional,
505
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,280
the kind of person that you wouldn't
question their legitimacy
506
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280
and you would believe them
and you'd seek advice from.
507
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,680
Police look at the fake
investment companies' bank accounts
508
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520
to see what happened to
the victims' money.
509
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,680
I look at the money coming in
from the investor.
510
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640
I then have to trace
where that money's gone.
511
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,400
And from the tracing of that money,
512
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,080
it identifies additional bank
accounts that we need to obtain.
513
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,240
So you obtain an initial
ten bank accounts,
514
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,320
follow the money, and that might
lead to obtaining 50 bank accounts.
515
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,720
And from those bank accounts,
516
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,160
the movement of money became
quite large quite quickly.
517
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Police also discover that the funds
were transferred
518
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,040
across a web of accounts,
including cryptocurrency accounts,
519
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,600
and even foreign accounts
520
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,280
in countries such as the UAE
and Lithuania.
521
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520
It became apparent to me then
522
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,760
that this was a really sophisticated
and complex investigation.
523
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,960
When DI Meghji and her team
look further into the accounts,
524
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,840
they discover something else.
525
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,440
When I obtain bank accounts,
526
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400
I look to identify
the fraudulent account,
527
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,680
and then I almost reverse it
528
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,560
so that then I can see who's paid
into the account,
529
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,920
which is where, very, very quickly,
the victim list grew from 12
530
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
to, as it stands, over 300.
531
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,960
We didn't realise it was as massive
as it was.
532
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,680
I was shocked, absolutely shocked.
533
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560
KATE: Every one of these families
affected has a story.
534
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
It's not the same as Mum and Dad's.
535
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160
But they've screwed
all these people's lives up.
536
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,680
Some of the investors would have
invested 10,000
537
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440
and some nearing 500,000.
538
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680
It's not just elderly,
vulnerable people falling victim.
539
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,840
We have in this case victims
who are solicitors,
540
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,440
victims who are doctors,
541
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,840
victims who are 30
and victims who are 90,
542
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,840
so this really is affecting anyone
in society.
543
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600
It shows the ability
of these fraudsters
544
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,160
to make their frauds relevant
and interesting and appealing
545
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
to absolutely everybody.
546
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,080
They're a bit like chameleons,
really.
547
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200
They can design the way they talk
to make it feel absolutely relevant
548
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,080
to whoever it is
they're contacting.
549
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,520
I felt ashamed...
550
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,360
..that that amount of money
had gone.
551
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,400
I know she started to feel
very ashamed
552
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,960
that she might have done
something wrong,
553
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,280
which she didn't need to.
554
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440
But totally understandable that
someone would feel like that.
555
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,720
KATE: Dad was obviously in
a really bad place.
556
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,240
Very depressed.
He didn't want to eat.
557
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800
He was very quiet.
558
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,480
I think this really shook him
to his core.
559
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,400
I think it makes you feel
enormously vulnerable.
560
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,880
It's an enormous knock
to confidence.
561
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440
We have two daughters,
now four grandchildren.
562
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,520
You feel you've let everybody down.
563
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840
What am I going to do? What am I
going to do for the future?
564
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480
How am I ever going to be able
to retire?
565
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,720
I've lost everything.
I've lost everything.
566
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Meanwhile, the police continue
with their investigation.
567
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,240
With almost all cases
of investment frauds,
568
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,240
what we find is that the victims
have formed a relationship
569
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120
with the person
at the end of the phone.
570
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840
People would be hoping that
we'd find a Dave Clark
571
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,480
and find a Paul Kingsley.
572
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,080
But actually, they're alias names,
573
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560
and therefore we can never
find them.
574
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840
But also the people working
in the boiler room,
575
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,200
some of them might not even realise
they're involved in fraud.
576
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880
They might think they're in
a call centre developing sales leads
577
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,720
for genuine investments.
578
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
So we have to work hard to explain
to victims
579
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,520
that we have a limit
as to who we can target.
580
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600
JENNY: I thought it was David Clark.
581
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720
You won't know who they are
or where they are
582
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680
because they probably have gone.
583
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,120
They could have been
innocent people. We don't know.
584
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,000
The police believe
the different boiler rooms
585
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,760
were run by the same people
and direct their focus
586
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,720
to identifying those in charge
of the operations.
587
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,960
We were always after
where the money went to.
588
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,480
And that's the person I go after.
589
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,760
That's done by analysing
the bank statements.
590
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Police discover that over £1 million
of the scammed money
591
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560
was transferred by
a man named John Mayer
592
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,480
to a legitimate Bitcoin
converting company.
593
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920
I made a lot of enquiries to
work out if the name John Mayer
594
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,600
was legitimate, but it wasn't -
it was actually an alias name.
595
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
The only clue to
John Mayer's true identity
596
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640
is the telephone number they used
to conduct business
597
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,480
with the Bitcoin converting company.
598
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160
I could not attribute this phone
to a person.
599
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,800
I found out it was a pay-as-you-go
phone with no details.
600
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Having had no luck
with looking at the calls
601
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,240
and the texts to the phone,
602
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000
the next step will be to look at
plotting where the phone has been
603
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,480
using GPS data.
604
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,160
With this phone, we have to put
that phone in someone's hand.
605
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000
We have to find out the locations
606
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000
of where that person
holding the phone is.
607
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
What we saw was that
the phone had travelled
608
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360
to a number of UK airports.
609
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,640
The idea is then to try
and find who was on those flights
610
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,640
and where they were heading to.
611
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,760
Using an analyst's skills,
we were able to overlay flight data
612
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,240
with this phone number to work out
what our commonality was.
613
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,400
We looked at the manifests
of flights within the time span
614
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920
of where the phone was pinged
and where it was live.
615
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,080
What I need to do now is to
work out whether we have one person
616
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,960
that has boarded
all of these flights
617
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,520
and taken that phone with them
to work out who my suspect is.
618
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,160
Police are using
flight and phone data
619
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,360
to track down a suspect who they
believe received over £1 million
620
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000
that was conned out of
hundreds of victims
621
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,680
in a sophisticated boiler room scam.
622
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,960
Having undertaken this process
of matching up flight manifests
623
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,320
with the GPS data,
624
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,160
we were able to come up
with one person
625
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,440
that had travelled across
all of the six flights -
626
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,680
and that person
was Jonathan Arafiena.
627
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Now we've got a name,
we must quickly act on it
628
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,520
and look to make an arrest. So it's
really important then to work out
629
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,160
where Jonathan Arafiena lives.
630
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Police are able to link Arafiena
to two London properties -
631
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,840
one in Vauxhall, and one in Soho.
632
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,080
I went to the address in Vauxhall.
633
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,720
The apartment was empty, but it was
furnished very expensively.
634
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Inside the property were
a number of very high-value watches.
635
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480
There were expensive clothes,
expensive shoes,
636
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360
lots of jewellery. So it really did
appear that someone living
637
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,040
a very nice lifestyle
had been staying at the address.
638
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,800
As police search the property,
they make an important discovery.
639
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:37,120
We recovered the SIM card used
to contact the Bitcoin company.
640
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,840
So, a fantastic find,
641
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,520
which really proved to me
that we had got the right person.
642
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,800
Meanwhile, DI Meghji's other team
head towards the Soho property
643
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,920
with a search warrant.
644
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
They have been able
to knock on the door,
645
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000
and Jonathan Arafiena has answered.
646
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520
Let me see your hands.
647
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,840
All right, right, sit up.
648
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,160
He'd just got out of bed.
I think we woke him up.
649
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,160
People like Jonathan Arafiena
and other sophisticated criminals
650
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,920
don't ever expect to be caught.
651
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,800
He'd gone to great lengths
to conceal who he was.
652
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,960
And I would say
it was a real shock to him
653
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,040
that the police were at his door
that morning.
654
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,400
Arafiena is arrested
and his Soho property is searched.
655
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,560
Rather similar
to the other property,
656
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,480
he had watches and jewellery
657
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880
and extremely expensive shoes
and clothes,
658
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,360
which we looked to then seize
659
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,560
so that we can try
and recoup some of that money.
660
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,240
Arafiena also had
a Rolls-Royce Wraith.
661
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,360
It was parked outside the address,
and that was seized as well.
662
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,480
But it's Arafiena's phone that is
a key piece of evidence against him.
663
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,080
Nothing had been deleted.
664
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
There was full evidence of all
that he was involved with on there.
665
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,880
On his phone was a number
of victims' details.
666
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,360
Within the contact details
wasn't just phone numbers,
667
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120
there was PIN numbers,
account numbers.
668
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,480
And ultimately, that's what's proved
the case
669
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000
and allowed the police
to get the prosecution.
670
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Arafiena is not charged
in connection with the fraud itself.
671
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,360
The police find evidence
that he received money conned out
672
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,400
of the victims and he is charged
with money laundering.
673
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,000
We were very happy
674
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080
to be able to feel that
somebody was being held accountable.
675
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Police also charge two other people.
676
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,400
One of them was his right-hand man
677
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,480
who was assisting him
with cashing out on money.
678
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240
And the other person was the person
setting up the websites,
679
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,080
the landing pages and dealing with
the Google ads in this case.
680
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,080
While police gather their evidence
for a court case,
681
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,360
Jenny and Nicola receive
devastating news.
682
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,760
I...
683
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,680
..had a phone call from my mum.
684
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,840
They'd had an appointment
at hospital.
685
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,880
She was very, very, very upset.
686
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,800
She said he's diagnosed
with leukaemia.
687
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400
That was hard.
688
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,960
And he never did anything, really,
much after that again.
689
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680
He just sort of...gradually
went down.
690
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,720
And he died the following January.
691
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,400
It was...devastating.
692
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Just like nothing's the same again,
is it?
693
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,120
With the fraud, he never saw
the finish of it, sadly.
694
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Realising he wouldn't get away
with his crimes,
695
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Arafiena pleads guilty
to money laundering.
696
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040
The police were able to,
through very, very diligent work
697
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960
and putting a lot of people on this
for a long time,
698
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,600
were able to build
a case against Arafiena
699
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,000
that was so watertight, he had
no opportunity but to plead guilty
700
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,920
because of the substantial amount
of evidence against him.
701
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,600
In February 2024,
702
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,720
Jonathan Arafiena's hearing takes
place at Southwark Crown Court.
703
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,240
I said to Gareth,
"I am going to that.
704
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,080
"Come hell or high water,
I'm going to that."
705
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,800
I just need to see who was capable
of doing these things.
706
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,840
My mum wanted to go, she wanted to
see what the defendants looked like.
707
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,560
And I think she just felt
she needed it for closure.
708
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,960
A number of the victims were asked
to make victim statements
709
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,640
and were read out in the court,
710
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,160
and you realise how many lives
this man, Jonathan Arafiena,
711
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,360
has impacted -
thousands of people's lives,
712
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,200
not just the 350 people
who are directly involved,
713
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,360
but all the people associated
with them.
714
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,280
So the impact of what he's done
is absolutely huge.
715
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,800
The courtroom is informed
716
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,960
of how Arafiena had spent
his victims' money.
717
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,520
There was around £12 million
of sums invested and lost,
718
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,480
and we were able to directly link
3.5 million to Jonathan Arafiena.
719
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,240
The majority of it has just been
spent on him having a lovely life.
720
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,440
GARETH: He's living
in big apartments in London
721
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,960
and living a lifestyle
which far exceeds anything
722
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,800
that any of us could ever envisage.
723
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,840
He spent £14,000
on concierge services.
724
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,320
He had the Rolls-Royce car
worth in excess of £200,000.
725
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,120
The money was spent on
lavish holidays,
726
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,000
high-end jewellery,
designer clothes.
727
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,120
He's paid off his parents' mortgage
with my money.
728
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,840
It's infuriating.
729
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400
It's not like this man did
anything good with this money.
730
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,920
He just spent it on
completely frivolous things
731
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000
that my parents would never have
spent their money on.
732
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,000
I mean, if that does not make you
angry, nothing will.
733
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,920
I mean, you know, these are
good people who had money set aside
734
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,560
for good purposes,
and this person just took it
735
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000
and just blew it, completely.
736
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,360
As the court hearing
comes to a close,
737
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Jonathan Arafiena is sentenced
to five years and nine months
738
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,160
in prison.
739
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,760
The other two men
receive suspended sentences.
740
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,520
We had worked on this investigation
for five years,
741
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,800
so to see that end result was
really rewarding.
742
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,400
But we still saw no remorse.
743
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440
GARETH: It's hard to express
my feelings
744
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,280
as far as Jonathan Arafiena
is concerned.
745
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,320
I feel that the sentence
he's been given,
746
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,600
in all honesty,
is wholly inadequate.
747
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,520
I think he should have been
locked up for at least ten years.
748
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Following Arafiena's sentencing,
749
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:51,760
Jenny has received back almost half
of her £50,000 loss.
750
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Unfortunately, Jeremy never saw
the conclusion,
751
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,920
but the police were able
to successfully get £22,000 back.
752
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,520
I was very fortunate.
753
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,320
I just feel so sad
754
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,840
that, obviously, nobody else said
they'd had any money back.
755
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,560
So I feel, really, for them.
756
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Gareth Hamblin is waiting
to find out
757
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,520
if he will get back
any of his missing £305,000.
758
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,880
It is very galling
to think he took that money
759
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120
and put it somewhere that
he thought it was going to be safe,
760
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,280
to grow it, ready to come home,
ready to retire with.
761
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,440
To know that that has not been
what's happened to that money
762
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,720
is extremely upsetting.
763
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480
Rather than Dad retiring,
he'll still be working
764
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
trying to recover money that
he should never have had
765
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,560
to try to recover,
because he'd already earned it.
766
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,160
It's not just the money
that's been taken from me,
767
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,720
but it's the time.
It's the time I've lost -
768
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
the time with the grandchildren,
the time with my wife.
769
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600
We're both getting older.
770
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,960
And that's what these criminals
have done to me.
771
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,240
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