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You wanna just lay this down? 4 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:46,588 ‎[Ella] Ready when you are. 5 00:00:46,671 --> 00:00:48,173 ‎I'm ready. 6 00:00:48,256 --> 00:00:49,549 ‎[Ella] Are you recording? 7 00:00:49,632 --> 00:00:51,509 8 00:00:52,635 --> 00:00:54,179 ‎I am now. 9 00:00:55,722 --> 00:00:57,766 10 00:00:57,849 --> 00:01:04,355 ‎[Ella] ‎♪ When I fall in love ♪ 11 00:01:05,607 --> 00:01:11,529 ‎♪ It will be forever ♪ 12 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:15,992 ‎♪ Or I'll never ♪ 13 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:22,999 ‎♪ Fall in love ♪ 14 00:01:28,087 --> 00:01:32,634 ‎♪ In a restless world ♪ 15 00:01:32,717 --> 00:01:35,804 ‎♪ Like this is ♪ 16 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:42,477 ‎♪ Love is ended before it's begun ♪ 17 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,814 ‎♪ And too many ♪ 18 00:01:45,897 --> 00:01:49,526 ‎♪ Moonlight kisses ♪ 19 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,444 ‎♪ Seem to cool ♪ 20 00:01:51,528 --> 00:01:57,659 ‎♪ In the warmth of the sun ♪ 21 00:01:58,368 --> 00:02:03,331 ‎♪ When I give my heart ♪ 22 00:02:05,458 --> 00:02:10,380 ‎♪ It will be completely ♪ 23 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:16,803 ‎♪ Or I'll never give ♪ 24 00:02:16,886 --> 00:02:20,723 ‎♪ My heart ♪ 25 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:27,981 ‎♪ And the moment ♪ 26 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:31,276 ‎♪ I can feel ♪ 27 00:02:31,359 --> 00:02:35,488 ‎♪ That you feel ♪ 28 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:39,534 ‎♪ That way too ♪ 29 00:02:39,617 --> 00:02:45,373 ‎♪ Is when I fall in love ♪ 30 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:50,879 ‎♪ With you ♪ 31 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:06,978 ‎♪ Or I'll never fall ♪ 32 00:03:07,061 --> 00:03:10,607 ‎♪ In love ♪ 33 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:17,822 ‎♪ And the moment ♪ 34 00:03:17,906 --> 00:03:22,493 ‎♪ I can feel that ♪ 35 00:03:22,577 --> 00:03:25,330 ‎♪ You feel ♪ 36 00:03:25,413 --> 00:03:29,542 ‎♪ That way too ♪ 37 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:35,548 ‎♪ Is when I fall in love ♪ 38 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:42,222 ‎♪ With you ♪ 39 00:03:46,351 --> 00:03:48,478 40 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:52,065 41 00:04:11,668 --> 00:04:13,878 ‎This just might do nobody any good. 42 00:04:15,338 --> 00:04:18,508 ‎At the end of this discourse, ‎a few people may accuse 43 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:22,303 ‎this reporter of fouling ‎his own comfortable nest. 44 00:04:22,971 --> 00:04:25,056 ‎And you all may be accused ‎of giving hospitality 45 00:04:25,139 --> 00:04:29,811 ‎to heretical and even dangerous thoughts. 46 00:04:29,894 --> 00:04:31,980 ‎It is my desire, if not my duty, 47 00:04:32,063 --> 00:04:34,565 ‎to try to speak to you with some candor 48 00:04:34,649 --> 00:04:37,819 ‎about what is happening in our mass media. 49 00:04:38,611 --> 00:04:39,779 ‎You should know at the outset 50 00:04:39,862 --> 00:04:44,158 ‎that I appear here voluntarily, ‎by invitation, 51 00:04:44,242 --> 00:04:47,704 ‎and that these remarks are strictly ‎of a do-it-yourself nature. 52 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:50,290 ‎If what I have to say is responsible, 53 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:53,376 ‎I alone am responsible ‎for the saying of it. 54 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:56,170 ‎I've decided to express my concern 55 00:04:56,254 --> 00:04:59,966 ‎on the manner ‎in which we inform ourselves. 56 00:05:00,049 --> 00:05:03,511 ‎I am seized by an abiding fear ‎of what these instruments 57 00:05:03,594 --> 00:05:06,931 ‎are doing to our society, ‎our culture, our heritage. 58 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,977 ‎Our history will be what we make of it. 59 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:15,815 ‎And if any historians, ‎50 to 100 years from now were to look, 60 00:05:15,898 --> 00:05:18,067 ‎they would in there ‎find evidence of decadence, 61 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:20,445 ‎escapism, and insulation 62 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:23,489 ‎from the realities ‎of the world in which we live. 63 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:26,451 ‎And surely we will pay a price. 64 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:30,121 ‎We are currently fat, ‎comfortable, and complacent. 65 00:05:30,204 --> 00:05:34,667 ‎We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant ‎or disturbing information, 66 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:39,589 ‎but unless we get off of our fat assets ‎and recognize that media in the main 67 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:44,135 ‎is being used to distract, delude, amuse, 68 00:05:44,218 --> 00:05:45,845 ‎and insulate us, 69 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:49,932 ‎then those who finance it, ‎those who profit from it, 70 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:53,436 ‎those who work at it, ‎and those who consume it 71 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:56,439 ‎may see a totally ‎different picture too late. 72 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:01,319 ‎Good evening. Earlier tonight, ‎Adlai E. Stevenson 73 00:06:01,402 --> 00:06:03,780 ‎urged the United States ‎to take the initiative 74 00:06:03,863 --> 00:06:06,199 ‎-in peace talks with the Soviet Union. ‎- 75 00:06:06,282 --> 00:06:08,451 ‎The talks are aimed ‎toward worldwide disarmament 76 00:06:08,534 --> 00:06:10,703 ‎and assurances of non-aggression ‎for the Russians, 77 00:06:10,787 --> 00:06:12,622 ‎-as well as for the free world. ‎- 78 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,166 ‎In a broadcast ‎from his globe-circling tour, 79 00:06:15,249 --> 00:06:17,919 ‎Stevenson warned ‎the Eisenhower administration 80 00:06:18,002 --> 00:06:19,879 ‎against shutting the door on conferences 81 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:22,298 ‎with the Soviet leaders ‎and putting too much pressure... 82 00:06:22,381 --> 00:06:23,382 ‎I'll be right down. 83 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:25,301 ‎...on the uncommitted bloc of nations ‎not linked with either... 84 00:06:25,384 --> 00:06:28,137 ‎Millie, this is the Annie Lee Moss ‎footage from yesterday. 85 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:31,224 ‎Okay, I'll give it to Leo. ‎Wait, it's only two cans? 86 00:06:31,307 --> 00:06:32,683 ‎What? Oh, yeah, that's all it is, 87 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:34,602 ‎but there's some notes with it ‎to go for Fred. 88 00:06:34,685 --> 00:06:36,270 ‎Oh, Fred's in with the guys. 89 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:39,023 ‎[chuckles] Okay, ‎I'll give the film to Leo. 90 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:40,733 ‎You can go ahead ‎and give the notes to Fred. 91 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:42,026 ‎[both] He's in the writer's room. 92 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:43,820 ‎-Yeah. Thank you, Palmer. ‎-Thank you, Millie. 93 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:46,489 94 00:06:46,572 --> 00:06:49,325 ‎Hi, Joe. Shirley, what's going on in here? 95 00:06:49,408 --> 00:06:51,119 ‎-[Joe] Hey, Palmer. ‎-[Shirley] Hello, Palmer. 96 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:53,621 ‎-Just making some copies for the... ‎-[Shirley] Nothing. 97 00:06:53,704 --> 00:06:57,708 ‎Just making sure. Two attractive ‎people alone in a copy room. 98 00:06:57,792 --> 00:07:01,295 ‎-[chuckles] Okay, Palmer. ‎-I mean... 99 00:07:01,379 --> 00:07:03,506 ‎-Don't tell anyone. ‎-I, uh, certainly won't say anything. 100 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:05,508 ‎Well, don't tell Fred. He'll fire me. 101 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:09,053 ‎Well, I mean, both of us. ‎Shirley, it's the nepotism rule. 102 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:10,555 ‎The nepotism rule. 103 00:07:10,638 --> 00:07:12,932 ‎You know, I think Joe would get the axe. 104 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:17,728 ‎[chuckles] Well, uh, ‎rules are made to be broken. 105 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:19,355 ‎You can afford to say that. 106 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:22,233 ‎Oh, actually, Shirley, I think he's right. 107 00:07:22,316 --> 00:07:24,986 ‎What do you say? ‎You want to get a drink tonight? 108 00:07:25,069 --> 00:07:27,655 ‎Yeah, you know, ‎just a couple of guys trying to help. 109 00:07:27,738 --> 00:07:31,576 ‎The day I need dating advice ‎from you two knuckleheads is... 110 00:07:31,659 --> 00:07:33,453 ‎Ouch. All right. 111 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:36,414 ‎- ‎- 112 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:38,916 ‎Let me see this. 113 00:07:41,544 --> 00:07:42,795 ‎I don't know. 114 00:07:43,671 --> 00:07:47,800 ‎It's simply a loyalty oath. ‎I mean, there's nothing in there about... 115 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:49,719 ‎-To CBS? ‎-To America. 116 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:52,180 ‎-You promise to be a loyal American? ‎-All the reporters have it. 117 00:07:52,263 --> 00:07:53,389 ‎Who were you promising this to? 118 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,183 ‎-Fred signed it. ‎-CBS, Paley-- 119 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:56,642 ‎And Murrow. 120 00:07:57,685 --> 00:08:01,022 ‎-Murrow signed it? ‎-Murrow signed it. 121 00:08:01,939 --> 00:08:04,192 ‎"Are you now, or have you ever been, 122 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:05,776 ‎a member of these organizations..." 123 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:07,904 ‎[Joe] I've had it for a while now. ‎I thought this was a joke. 124 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,323 ‎...that appeared on the Attorney General's ‎list of subversive groups? 125 00:08:10,406 --> 00:08:12,116 ‎It's a lot of pressure. 126 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,451 ‎I don't know. 127 00:08:13,534 --> 00:08:15,203 ‎All right, let's think about this. 128 00:08:15,286 --> 00:08:16,537 ‎What is it really saying? 129 00:08:16,621 --> 00:08:19,832 ‎Is it a civil liberties issue? ‎Is it censorship? 130 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:21,834 ‎I don't know. 131 00:08:21,918 --> 00:08:26,756 ‎I mean, is it simply stating ‎to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 132 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,758 ‎-Murrow signed it. ‎-And Fred. 133 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:31,385 ‎-Maybe you should talk to Fred. ‎-Well, I talked to Fred. 134 00:08:31,469 --> 00:08:32,929 ‎He told me to sign it. 135 00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:36,933 ‎If you don't sign it, ‎are you and I a target? 136 00:08:37,683 --> 00:08:39,936 ‎If I don't sign it, they will fire me. 137 00:08:41,812 --> 00:08:43,022 ‎Well... 138 00:08:43,814 --> 00:08:46,859 ‎at least then ‎we can tell everyone the truth. 139 00:08:47,985 --> 00:08:51,239 ‎[chuckles] Okay, all right. 140 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:53,241 ‎[Joe] Hey, they got the film? 141 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:55,368 ‎Uh, yeah, it's all queued up ‎and ready to go. 142 00:08:55,451 --> 00:08:57,620 ‎Oh, Eddie, you're right. 143 00:08:57,703 --> 00:08:59,205 ‎I went through the D.C. phone book. 144 00:08:59,288 --> 00:09:01,332 ‎More than one ‎Annie Lee Moss in there, right? 145 00:09:01,415 --> 00:09:03,042 ‎-Oh, yeah, a lot more. ‎-See? I told you. 146 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,795 ‎All right, here they are. ‎Hey, Joe, we got it queued up. 147 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:07,505 ‎Hey, Fred, do you want a cigarette? 148 00:09:07,588 --> 00:09:09,966 ‎No, I'll just breathe the air. 149 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,926 150 00:09:12,009 --> 00:09:14,136 ‎[Palmer] Okay, thank you. All right. 151 00:09:15,763 --> 00:09:17,598 ‎-Ready? All right. ‎-Yeah. 152 00:09:17,682 --> 00:09:20,893 ‎On this reel, this woman, Annie Lee Moss. 153 00:09:20,977 --> 00:09:23,521 ‎This is the person McCarthy ‎has spent two weeks 154 00:09:23,604 --> 00:09:25,523 ‎claiming was a spy in the Pentagon. 155 00:09:25,606 --> 00:09:28,818 ‎Yeah, well, she was a clerk ‎in the communications office. 156 00:09:28,901 --> 00:09:30,194 ‎Right. 157 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:34,699 ‎So, after all this buildup, ‎she finally comes in. 158 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:39,495 ‎McCarthy only asks her four questions, ‎and he gets up and he leaves. 159 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,581 ‎-Wait, wait, wait. He just left? ‎- 160 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:44,292 ‎Well, he realized ‎he had nothing, so... 161 00:09:44,375 --> 00:09:46,252 ‎Uh, Leo, hit it. 162 00:09:46,335 --> 00:09:47,712 ‎[Palmer] Yeah, yeah, yeah... 163 00:09:48,671 --> 00:09:51,048 ‎[McCarthy] ‎And, uh... 164 00:09:51,132 --> 00:09:53,593 ‎...you say you personally ‎did not know Robert Hall. 165 00:09:53,676 --> 00:09:54,802 ‎-‎No, sir. ‎-‎That you were 166 00:09:54,885 --> 00:09:55,970 ‎not there when he came to the house. 167 00:09:56,053 --> 00:09:57,805 ‎-‎That's right. ‎-Uh... 168 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:03,519 ‎Do you know what business ‎Robert Hall had with your husband, 169 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,896 ‎besides merely delivering ‎the copy of the daily work? 170 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:08,274 ‎-No, sir. I do not. ‎-Uh... 171 00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:10,901 ‎I'm afraid I'm going ‎to have to excuse myself. 172 00:10:10,985 --> 00:10:15,656 ‎I've got a... uh, a rather important ‎appointment tonight, 173 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:19,118 ‎which I've got to work on right now. ‎And I wonder if none of them are... 174 00:10:19,201 --> 00:10:21,370 ‎- ‎-[Charlie] Wait, wait, wait. 175 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:26,167 ‎All right, look, and Charlie ‎gets a shot at the empty chair. 176 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:27,752 ‎-[Cohn] ‎Chairman... ‎-[Palmer] Right there! 177 00:10:27,835 --> 00:10:30,796 ‎...I have no further questions ‎of this witness at this time. 178 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,090 ‎We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, 179 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:35,551 ‎the undercover agent for the FBI, 180 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,637 ‎stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, 181 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,307 ‎a dues-paying member ‎of the Communist Party... 182 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:43,434 ‎The Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 183 00:10:43,517 --> 00:10:45,603 ‎[Fred] Leo, that's enough. Turn it off. 184 00:10:45,686 --> 00:10:47,730 ‎[Eddie] Oh, that Roy Cohn's ‎a real charmer. 185 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:49,774 ‎Ed, did you see that he just walked out? 186 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:52,151 ‎She is not a spy. 187 00:10:52,234 --> 00:10:53,235 ‎You don't know that. 188 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:55,279 ‎Boy, I'll take the odds on it, Fred. 189 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:57,948 ‎- ‎-What do you think, Ed? 190 00:10:58,532 --> 00:11:00,284 ‎You haven't made your case. 191 00:11:01,452 --> 00:11:03,162 ‎He's lying. 192 00:11:03,245 --> 00:11:05,081 ‎What's your proof? 193 00:11:05,164 --> 00:11:07,291 ‎I... I think it's pretty obvious. 194 00:11:07,375 --> 00:11:09,710 ‎Is that our standard now, what you think? 195 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:12,004 ‎McCarthy told the whole country ‎he found the spy 196 00:11:12,088 --> 00:11:13,422 ‎in the Pentagon, and it was her? 197 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:14,840 ‎Meaning what? 198 00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:17,385 ‎[chuckles] I mean, Ed, ‎does she look like a spy to you? 199 00:11:17,468 --> 00:11:19,553 ‎What does a spy look like, Palmer? 200 00:11:20,471 --> 00:11:22,014 ‎He got up and left his own hearing. 201 00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:23,724 ‎Prove she's not a spy ‎and you have a story. 202 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:25,935 ‎Until then, you haven't ‎made your case. File it. 203 00:11:26,018 --> 00:11:30,231 ‎Okay, fellas, let's save it with the rest ‎of the Senate footage. Thanks. 204 00:11:30,314 --> 00:11:31,399 ‎Fred, uh... 205 00:11:31,482 --> 00:11:33,984 ‎Did you guys look ‎at the Secretary Stevens stuff? 206 00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:35,945 ‎-We will, John. Not yet. ‎-Just watch it to the end. 207 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:37,905 ‎-All the way to the end. ‎-Thank you, John. 208 00:11:37,988 --> 00:11:39,532 ‎-Thank you, John. ‎-It's worth it. 209 00:11:39,615 --> 00:11:40,658 210 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:44,578 ‎It's pretty good stuff, Ed. 211 00:11:44,662 --> 00:11:46,455 ‎You ever spent any time in Detroit, Fred? 212 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:48,541 ‎We got 20 or so of these pieces filed. 213 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:50,334 ‎There's a story here ‎in the ‎Detroit Free Press, 214 00:11:50,418 --> 00:11:51,419 ‎Dexter, Michigan. 215 00:11:51,502 --> 00:11:53,254 ‎Kid named Milo Radulovich. 216 00:11:53,337 --> 00:11:55,172 ‎-Italian? ‎-Irish. 217 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:57,466 ‎Air force kicked him out ‎'cause his dad read 218 00:11:57,550 --> 00:11:59,343 ‎some Serbian newspaper. 219 00:11:59,427 --> 00:12:01,387 ‎They called Milo a security risk. 220 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:03,347 ‎-Is his dad a Communist? ‎-I don't know. 221 00:12:03,431 --> 00:12:05,099 ‎-Who brought the charges? ‎-The air force. 222 00:12:05,182 --> 00:12:07,643 ‎The charges were in a sealed envelope. 223 00:12:07,726 --> 00:12:10,104 ‎-Nobody saw them. ‎-Not even at the hearing? 224 00:12:10,187 --> 00:12:14,442 ‎He was declared guilty without a trial ‎and told that if he wants to keep his job 225 00:12:14,525 --> 00:12:16,360 ‎he has to denounce ‎his father and his sister. 226 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:18,112 ‎So he told them to take a hike. 227 00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:19,530 ‎His sister, huh? 228 00:12:20,739 --> 00:12:23,742 ‎Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, ‎see if he's any good on camera. 229 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:25,661 ‎Is he being brought before the committee? 230 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:28,789 ‎-No. ‎-So it's not McCarthy. 231 00:12:29,498 --> 00:12:30,499 ‎Isn't it? 232 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:37,339 ‎Milo Radulovich. 233 00:12:38,632 --> 00:12:43,971 ‎Lt. Radulovich. ‎Uh, Milo, let me ask you this. 234 00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:47,766 ‎What happens now to your two children, 235 00:12:47,850 --> 00:12:51,395 ‎that is your five-year-old ‎and your five-month-old, 236 00:12:51,479 --> 00:12:53,981 ‎in terms of you? 237 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:59,153 {\an8}‎Yes. If I am being judged on my relatives, ‎if, uh... 238 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:02,656 {\an8}‎Are my children ‎going to be asked to, uh, 239 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:04,992 {\an8}‎denounce me? Are they going to be judged 240 00:13:05,075 --> 00:13:07,912 {\an8}‎on what their father was labeled? 241 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:10,080 ‎Are they going to, uh, 242 00:13:10,164 --> 00:13:12,833 ‎have to explain ‎to their friends, et cetera, 243 00:13:12,917 --> 00:13:15,127 ‎why their father is a security risk? 244 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:21,175 ‎I... I see, absolutely, ‎that this is a chain reaction 245 00:13:21,258 --> 00:13:25,971 ‎if the thing is let stand ‎as the first recommendation 246 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:30,309 ‎was sent out by the board, ‎I see a chain reaction that... 247 00:13:30,392 --> 00:13:33,771 ‎[chuckles] ...‎has no end ‎to anybody, for anybody. 248 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:38,067 ‎Well, that's new. 249 00:13:38,150 --> 00:13:40,903 ‎And I don't think you can ‎call this a neutral piece. 250 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:42,279 ‎We tried to talk to the air force... 251 00:13:42,363 --> 00:13:43,572 ‎I think the other side's ‎been represented-- 252 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:44,615 ‎They haven't gone on record. 253 00:13:44,698 --> 00:13:46,200 ‎-Their lawyers won't unseal the envelope. ‎-Hey! 254 00:13:46,283 --> 00:13:51,247 ‎So you just want to forego the standards ‎you've stuck to for over 15 years? 255 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,123 ‎Both sides, no commentary. 256 00:13:53,207 --> 00:13:55,376 257 00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:59,004 ‎Hey, hey, hey, blah, blah, blah. 258 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:03,300 ‎I'm just making sure we identify ‎what it is you're both doing. 259 00:14:03,384 --> 00:14:05,052 ‎I can't find any justification for this. 260 00:14:05,135 --> 00:14:09,306 ‎I can't accept that on every story ‎there are two equal and logical sides. 261 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,393 ‎You want to call that editorializing? ‎We'll give them equal time. 262 00:14:12,476 --> 00:14:14,979 ‎-It is editorializing. Period. ‎- 263 00:14:16,105 --> 00:14:18,816 ‎You understand the position ‎you're putting us in? 264 00:14:18,899 --> 00:14:20,442 ‎We're all in it together. 265 00:14:20,526 --> 00:14:22,653 ‎If the Senate or the air force ‎asks for equal time... 266 00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:24,738 ‎Oh, Fred, do me this favor. 267 00:14:24,822 --> 00:14:30,619 ‎Avoid any speeches about how we're all ‎in a big boat together. 268 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:32,830 ‎- ‎-Please, don't insult me. 269 00:14:32,913 --> 00:14:35,124 ‎I have to go back to ALCOA, 270 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:39,086 ‎who sponsors your show ‎and also has military contracts, 271 00:14:39,169 --> 00:14:41,380 ‎and I gotta tell them ‎they might get caught 272 00:14:41,463 --> 00:14:45,551 ‎in a tough bind because you had ‎a beef with Joe McCarthy. 273 00:14:45,634 --> 00:14:47,094 ‎I'm not going at Joe McCarthy... 274 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:48,929 ‎Well, you're starting a goddamn fire. 275 00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:51,098 ‎-I know what this is, Ed... ‎-You guaranteed me. 276 00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:54,059 ‎This goes back to ‎Hear It Now‎. ‎You guaranteed that corporate 277 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,103 ‎would have no influence ‎over news content. 278 00:14:56,186 --> 00:14:59,523 ‎What I'm saying is ‎please don't try to con me 279 00:14:59,607 --> 00:15:02,026 ‎into thinking this will be good for me. 280 00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:03,652 ‎Just do me that courtesy. 281 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:06,196 ‎I-- I'm sorry, Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow. 282 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,949 ‎Fred, there's a Colonel Anderson ‎here to see you. 283 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:10,868 ‎[Fred] Okay, Shirley. 284 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:12,536 ‎-Where is he? ‎-He's in your office. 285 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,247 ‎Sorry, gentlemen. Uh... 286 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:17,917 ‎Maybe this guy loves the transcript 287 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,835 ‎and is here to congratulate me. 288 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,087 ‎- ‎- 289 00:15:24,548 --> 00:15:27,760 ‎Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 290 00:15:27,843 --> 00:15:29,011 291 00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:30,846 ‎We got a great story about Hoover. 292 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:34,433 ‎[chuckles] Do you know ‎how many ‎Person to Persons 293 00:15:34,516 --> 00:15:36,101 ‎you'll have to do to make this up? 294 00:15:36,185 --> 00:15:38,812 ‎Oh, Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 295 00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:43,651 ‎No chance. You will be interviewing Lassie ‎and then Mr. Ed back to back. 296 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,028 297 00:15:46,111 --> 00:15:47,821 ‎ALCOA won't pay for it. 298 00:15:48,906 --> 00:15:51,742 ‎We probably won't either. ‎Nobody will stop you. 299 00:15:51,825 --> 00:15:54,244 ‎-How much are the ads? ‎-3,000. 300 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:56,080 ‎I'll split it with Fred. 301 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:58,415 ‎He just won't have ‎Christmas presents for his kid this year. 302 00:15:58,499 --> 00:16:00,167 ‎He's a Jew. 303 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,795 ‎- ‎-Well, go tell Fred. He loves Christmas. 304 00:16:02,878 --> 00:16:04,838 305 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:09,760 ‎Colonel. 306 00:16:09,843 --> 00:16:11,428 ‎[Anderson] Mr. Friendly. 307 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:13,013 ‎Please. 308 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:16,141 ‎[Fred] I trust you've had a chance ‎to review the transcript. 309 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:18,644 ‎We have, 310 00:16:18,727 --> 00:16:21,105 ‎but we've not been allowed ‎to see the footage. 311 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:23,107 ‎We're still shooting it. 312 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:26,360 ‎Charlie Mack is on a plane from Dexter ‎with the last of the interviews. 313 00:16:26,443 --> 00:16:28,362 ‎We'll be going right down to the wire. 314 00:16:28,445 --> 00:16:30,114 ‎Your show airs tomorrow. 315 00:16:30,197 --> 00:16:32,408 ‎How can we possibly comment ‎on what we're being accused of? 316 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:34,660 ‎-You haven't given us the foot-- ‎-Colonel... 317 00:16:34,743 --> 00:16:36,203 ‎With all due respect... 318 00:16:37,037 --> 00:16:39,790 ‎you have been invited ‎to comment on this piece. 319 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:42,251 ‎Not to approve this piece. 320 00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:45,295 ‎We are going with the story ‎that says that the US Air Force 321 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:48,841 ‎tried Milo Radulovich ‎without one shred of evidence 322 00:16:48,924 --> 00:16:51,218 ‎and found him guilty ‎of being a security risk 323 00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:52,469 ‎without the Constitutional right... 324 00:16:52,553 --> 00:16:55,931 ‎And you have also not seen the evidence ‎claiming he's not. 325 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,266 ‎Wouldn't you guess that the people 326 00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:59,852 ‎that have seen the contents ‎of that envelope 327 00:16:59,935 --> 00:17:02,187 ‎might know a little more ‎about what makes a person 328 00:17:02,271 --> 00:17:03,981 ‎-a danger to his country? ‎-Who are these people? 329 00:17:04,064 --> 00:17:06,233 ‎-Are they elected, appointed? ‎-Should it just be you that decides? 330 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:07,568 ‎Do they have an axe to grind? 331 00:17:07,651 --> 00:17:09,278 ‎-Is it you, sir? ‎-Mister Friendly. 332 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:11,530 ‎Do you know even the contents ‎of that sealed envelope? 333 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:15,784 ‎We have been a friend and ally ‎of Mr. Murrow and CBS News. 334 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,747 ‎The story you intend to air ‎is without merit. 335 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:25,586 ‎Now, before you take steps ‎that cannot be undone, 336 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:29,423 ‎I urge you to reconsider your stand. 337 00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:35,179 ‎These are very dangerous waters ‎you're attempting to navigate. 338 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:37,014 ‎Two minutes to air! 339 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:42,061 ‎Damn it, Millie, unload ‎that thing before I crack. 340 00:17:42,144 --> 00:17:45,272 ‎-[Millie] A couple more seconds. ‎-All right. 341 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:46,607 ‎[Millie] Ugh. 342 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:47,816 ‎Okay. 343 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:49,485 ‎-Is Don ready for this? ‎-I don't know. 344 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:51,111 ‎Tell him I front-loaded the opening 345 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:53,197 ‎with about five seconds extra. 346 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,699 ‎Front-loaded, five seconds. ‎Thank you, Millie. 347 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,284 ‎Oh, Millie, tell Joe he's gonna have 348 00:17:57,367 --> 00:17:58,869 ‎-to do the voiceover live. ‎-[Millie] Joe's on set. 349 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,746 ‎-We ain't got time to sync it up. ‎-[Millie] No, you tell him. 350 00:18:00,829 --> 00:18:02,247 ‎We need a live mic on the floor. 351 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:03,415 ‎[Millie] I'll get the mic set. 352 00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:05,042 ‎[Palmer] Hi, Don. It's front-loaded. 353 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:06,794 ‎-How much? ‎-[Palmer] By about five seconds. 354 00:18:06,877 --> 00:18:08,587 ‎[Hewitt] I said it's too much! 355 00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:11,465 ‎-[Palmer] And it's missing the voiceover... ‎-Okay. Which piece is Joe gonna do live? 356 00:18:11,548 --> 00:18:13,300 ‎-[Palmer] His questions. ‎-Why don't we try to sync it up 357 00:18:13,383 --> 00:18:15,427 ‎-with the whole show on air? ‎-Yeah, Joe can do it live. 358 00:18:15,511 --> 00:18:16,804 ‎-I hate this. ‎-You love it. 359 00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:18,806 ‎Fred. Fred, did you time Ed's intro? 360 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:20,808 ‎-I think we're gonna be long. ‎-Long is good, Don. 361 00:18:20,891 --> 00:18:22,309 ‎Remember, no commercial break. 362 00:18:22,392 --> 00:18:24,394 ‎Right. Right, I've gotta add two minutes. 363 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,855 ‎Don, they're doing ‎a commercial in the booth. 364 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:28,649 ‎What commercial? ‎We didn't have any commercial! 365 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,359 ‎Okay. Yeah. Eddie, set up a mic. 366 00:18:30,442 --> 00:18:31,693 ‎[Millie] I got it, Don. I got it. 367 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:33,070 ‎[Hewitt] And get that idiot ‎out of the booth! 368 00:18:33,153 --> 00:18:34,238 ‎[Eddie] Natalie... 369 00:18:34,321 --> 00:18:35,572 ‎[Hewitt] Joe, it's too loud in here. 370 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:37,783 {\an8}‎-One minute. ‎-Three. Okay. Thank you. 371 00:18:38,742 --> 00:18:39,868 {\an8}‎[Fred] We got the film. 372 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:41,245 ‎Will it be ready? 373 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:43,997 ‎Yep. 374 00:18:45,749 --> 00:18:46,750 ‎What do you think, Freddie? 375 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:48,877 ‎Every time you light a cigarette ‎for me, I know you're lying. 376 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:50,420 377 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:52,756 ‎We'll have it. We'll have it. 378 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,216 ‎What'd the colonel tell you yesterday? 379 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:56,802 ‎[chuckles] He wasn't too pleased. 380 00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,470 ‎You're gonna get audited this year. 381 00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:00,055 ‎Not me, you. 382 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,057 ‎I told him I didn't want to do the piece. 383 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:03,350 384 00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:05,227 ‎You always were yellow. 385 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:07,896 ‎-Better than red. ‎-[Hewitt] Twenty seconds. 386 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:10,023 ‎You know... 387 00:19:11,733 --> 00:19:14,903 ‎it occurs to me we might ‎not get away with this one. 388 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:16,822 389 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:19,158 390 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:20,617 ‎[Hewitt] Ten seconds. 391 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:28,876 ‎In five, four, three, two... 392 00:19:30,627 --> 00:19:35,716 ‎[announcer] ‎Stand by now for‎ See It Now ‎with Edward R. Murrow. 393 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,343 394 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:51,690 ‎[announcer] ‎ALCOA, ‎Aluminum Company of America, 395 00:19:51,773 --> 00:19:54,318 ‎in cooperation with CBS Television, 396 00:19:54,401 --> 00:19:57,487 ‎presents the distinguished ‎reporter and news analyst 397 00:19:57,571 --> 00:20:02,034 ‎Edward R. Murrow in ‎See It Now‎, 398 00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:06,830 ‎edited and produced by Mr. Murrow ‎and Fred W. Friendly, 399 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:10,209 ‎a weekly presentation ‎of Aluminum Company of America, 400 00:20:10,292 --> 00:20:13,712 ‎the nation's leading producer of aluminum. 401 00:20:13,795 --> 00:20:15,923 ‎Now speaking to you from the control room 402 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,884 ‎of Studio 41 is the editor of‎ See It Now, 403 00:20:18,967 --> 00:20:22,179 ‎-‎Edward R Murrow‎. ‎-[Hewitt] Live in five, four, three, two... 404 00:20:22,262 --> 00:20:23,597 ‎Good evening. 405 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,516 ‎A few weeks ago there appeared ‎a few obscure notices 406 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,353 ‎in the newspapers ‎about a Lt. Milo Radulovich, 407 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:31,355 ‎a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserve. 408 00:20:31,438 --> 00:20:36,235 ‎And also something about ‎Air Force Regulation 35-62. 409 00:20:36,318 --> 00:20:38,487 ‎That is a regulation ‎which states that a person 410 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,739 ‎may be regarded as a security risk 411 00:20:40,822 --> 00:20:43,825 ‎if he has close and continuing association ‎with Communists 412 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:46,620 ‎or people believed ‎to have Communist sympathies. 413 00:20:46,703 --> 00:20:49,373 ‎The lieutenant was asked ‎to resign in August. 414 00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:52,918 ‎He declined. A board was called ‎and his case was heard. 415 00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:55,128 ‎At the end, it was recommended ‎that he be severed 416 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:57,714 ‎from the air force, ‎although it was also stated 417 00:20:57,798 --> 00:20:59,299 ‎that there was no question whatsoever 418 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:01,551 ‎as to the lieutenant's loyalty. 419 00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:03,637 ‎We propose to examine, insofar as we can, 420 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,430 ‎the case of Milo Radulovich. 421 00:21:05,514 --> 00:21:08,600 ‎Our reporter, Joe Wershba, ‎cameraman, Charlie Mack. 422 00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:11,228 ‎[Joe] This is the town ‎of Dexter, Michigan, 423 00:21:11,311 --> 00:21:13,814 ‎population, 1,500. 424 00:21:13,897 --> 00:21:15,816 ‎This is the story of Milo Radulovich. 425 00:21:15,899 --> 00:21:17,526 ‎No special hero, no martyr. 426 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:19,444 ‎He came to Dexter one year ago 427 00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:21,989 ‎after ten years in the air force. 428 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:23,865 ‎The air force, uh... 429 00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:27,244 ‎...does not question my loyalty ‎in the least. 430 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,497 ‎They have reiterated that ‎on several occasions. 431 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:34,042 ‎Uh... They have presented me ‎with allegations 432 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:36,003 ‎against my sister and father, 433 00:21:36,628 --> 00:21:39,298 ‎uh, that they have, uh... 434 00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:42,509 ‎To the effect that my sister ‎and dad have taken... 435 00:21:42,592 --> 00:21:46,346 ‎have read what are now called ‎subversive newspapers, 436 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:49,099 ‎and that, um... 437 00:21:49,182 --> 00:21:54,021 ‎my sister and father's ‎activities are questionable. 438 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:57,649 ‎That's the specific charge or allegation, 439 00:21:57,733 --> 00:22:00,444 ‎I prefer to call it, against them. 440 00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:04,239 ‎Lt. Radulovich was defended ‎by attorney Charles C. Lockwood, 441 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,992 ‎and this is the report on the hearing. 442 00:22:07,075 --> 00:22:10,245 {\an8}‎The air force did not produce ‎a single witness. 443 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:13,248 {\an8}‎We were not told who the accusers were. 444 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:15,542 {\an8}‎We had no right to confront them 445 00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,627 {\an8}‎or to cross-examine them. 446 00:22:17,711 --> 00:22:20,255 {\an8}‎But at the conclusion of the trial, 447 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,883 {\an8}‎although we had met the allegations, 448 00:22:22,966 --> 00:22:25,093 ‎the air force made findings 449 00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:27,721 ‎at the conclusion of the hearing 450 00:22:27,804 --> 00:22:30,849 ‎that every single allegation was true. 451 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:33,435 ‎This is the sister, ‎Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 452 00:22:33,518 --> 00:22:36,938 ‎She neither defends nor explains ‎her political activities. 453 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:43,570 ‎I feel that my activities, ‎well, be they what they may, 454 00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:47,407 ‎or my political beliefs, ‎are my own private affair. 455 00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:51,453 ‎And I feel that the charges, uh... 456 00:22:51,536 --> 00:22:55,457 ‎leveled against me ‎and by reason of which he is... 457 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:59,544 ‎they are trying to purge him ‎from the army, are, uh, 458 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:01,755 ‎just, you know, it just seemed to me to be 459 00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:05,926 ‎a fantastic trend in this country. 460 00:23:06,009 --> 00:23:08,845 ‎Milo, I guess a lot of people ‎must have asked you 461 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:10,514 ‎from time to time. 462 00:23:10,597 --> 00:23:14,226 ‎Wouldn't it have been ‎a lot easier for you if you'd... 463 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:16,478 ‎Well, just kept sort of quiet ‎about the whole thing? 464 00:23:16,561 --> 00:23:19,147 ‎Maybe resigned and nobody would ‎have known anything about it, 465 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:21,316 ‎and all this trouble ‎wouldn't have come to you? 466 00:23:21,399 --> 00:23:25,403 ‎Yes, that's right. ‎I could have signed a, uh, 467 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:29,116 ‎resignation form, which was titled 468 00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:33,161 ‎"A resignation in Lieu of ‎Elimination from the Service." 469 00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,998 ‎And this would have given me ‎an honorable discharge. 470 00:23:37,082 --> 00:23:39,417 ‎However, the honorable ‎discharge would have stipulated 471 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:43,213 ‎that I had, you know, been discharged, uh, 472 00:23:43,296 --> 00:23:45,799 ‎because the air force could not trust me. 473 00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:48,426 ‎In other words, ‎because I have been discharged 474 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:50,220 ‎as a security risk. 475 00:23:50,303 --> 00:23:51,972 ‎And what happens to your two children? 476 00:23:52,055 --> 00:23:53,932 ‎That is your five-year-old ‎and your five-month-old 477 00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:55,892 ‎in terms of you? 478 00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:59,563 ‎Yes, if I am being judged on my relatives, 479 00:23:59,646 --> 00:24:03,650 ‎if, uh, are my children ‎going to be asked to, uh... 480 00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:06,444 ‎denounce me? Are they going to be judged 481 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:09,489 ‎on what their father was labeled? 482 00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:11,158 ‎Are they going to, uh, 483 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,161 ‎have to explain ‎to their friends, et cetera, 484 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:16,538 ‎why their father is a security risk? 485 00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:22,961 ‎I see absolutely ‎that this is a chain reaction 486 00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:27,632 ‎if... if the thing is let stand ‎as the first recommendation, 487 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:31,845 ‎uh, was sent out by the board, ‎I see a chain reaction 488 00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:34,139 ‎-that has no end to anybody... ‎-‎Five, four, three, two... 489 00:24:34,222 --> 00:24:36,057 ‎...for anybody. 490 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:39,060 ‎Perhaps you'll permit me to read ‎a few sentences just at the end 491 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:42,022 ‎because I'd like to say ‎rather precisely what we mean. 492 00:24:42,105 --> 00:24:44,566 ‎We have told the air force ‎that we will provide facilities 493 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:46,651 ‎for any corrections or criticisms 494 00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:49,863 ‎it should like to make ‎in the case of Milo Radulovich. 495 00:24:49,946 --> 00:24:51,907 ‎We are unable to judge the charges against 496 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:54,701 ‎the lieutenant's father ‎or sister because neither we, 497 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,370 ‎nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers 498 00:24:57,454 --> 00:25:01,082 ‎know precisely what was contained ‎in that manila envelope. 499 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,752 ‎Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander? 500 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:08,089 ‎Or was it hard ascertainable fact ‎that can be backed by credible witnesses? 501 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,758 ‎We do not know. 502 00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:12,177 ‎We believe the son ‎shall not bear the iniquity 503 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,512 ‎of the father even ‎if that iniquity be proved. 504 00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:16,932 ‎And, in this case, it was not. 505 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:20,143 ‎But we also believe that this ‎case illustrates the urgent need 506 00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:22,562 ‎for the armed forces ‎to communicate more fully 507 00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:25,482 ‎than they have so far done ‎the regulations and procedures 508 00:25:25,565 --> 00:25:28,485 ‎to be followed in attempting ‎to protect national security 509 00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:31,154 ‎and the rights of the individual. 510 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:33,865 ‎In any case, whatever happens ‎in this whole area 511 00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:38,411 ‎of the relationship between the individual ‎and the state, we will do it ourselves. 512 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:41,581 ‎It cannot be blamed ‎on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung 513 00:25:41,665 --> 00:25:46,294 ‎or even our allies. And it seems to us, ‎that is Fred Friendly and myself, 514 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:50,340 ‎that this is a subject that should be ‎argued about endlessly. 515 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,259 ‎Good night, and good luck. 516 00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:54,928 ‎[announcer] ‎Friday's Edward R. Murrow 517 00:25:55,011 --> 00:25:57,764 ‎Person to Person, ‎on the CBS Television Network. 518 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,142 ‎[Hewitt] And we're out. 519 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:05,480 520 00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:08,441 521 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:10,527 ‎-Are we in for it, Freddy? ‎- 522 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:13,947 ‎-I think we're fine. ‎- 523 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:17,075 524 00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:20,453 ‎[Ella] Oh, I like the sound ‎of this. 525 00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:24,541 ‎What's this tune? Ah, all right. 526 00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:28,878 ‎I sure hope I remember these words. 527 00:26:28,962 --> 00:26:32,340 ‎It's been a while. Right here. 528 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:37,762 ♪ ‎I've got my eyes on you ‎♪ 529 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:43,143 ‎♪‎ So best beware ‎Where you roam ‎♪ 530 00:26:45,603 --> 00:26:47,897 ‎♪‎ I... ‎♪ 531 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:50,108 ‎-♪‎ No, don't know the word ‎♪ 532 00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:51,192 ‎[producer] Great. 533 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:56,114 ♪ ‎I thought I did ‎But I don't... ‎♪ 534 00:26:56,197 --> 00:26:57,073 ‎Incidentally. 535 00:26:57,157 --> 00:26:59,451 ‎♪‎ Incidentally ‎I... ‎♪ 536 00:26:59,534 --> 00:27:01,077 ‎Thank you, Lorain. 537 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:07,167 ‎♪‎ Set my spies on you ‎I'm checking on all you do ‎♪ 538 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:11,546 ♪ ‎From A to Z ‎♪ 539 00:27:11,629 --> 00:27:17,344 ‎♪‎ So, darling, just be wise ‎♪ 540 00:27:17,427 --> 00:27:23,808 ♪ ‎Keep your eyes on me ‎♪ 541 00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:30,565 ‎♪‎ Keep your eyes on me ‎♪ 542 00:27:31,649 --> 00:27:33,818 ‎All right, let's take five. ‎Gotta learn these words. 543 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:35,653 544 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:39,824 545 00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:03,181 ‎Oh, that's all the room ‎we had on the fence for it. 546 00:28:03,264 --> 00:28:05,058 ‎Lee, how old are you? 547 00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:07,394 ‎I'm 35, Ed. 548 00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:10,522 ‎Well, at 35, looking back ‎at all that's happened, 549 00:28:10,605 --> 00:28:12,524 ‎what comes to your mind first? 550 00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:18,279 ‎Ed, I would say that God ‎has been very, very good to us 551 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:20,949 ‎in making all of this happen ‎to our family. 552 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:26,079 ‎And I suppose that nowhere ‎but in the United States 553 00:28:26,162 --> 00:28:29,249 ‎could this happen to an ordinary 554 00:28:29,332 --> 00:28:31,793 ‎American family like ours. 555 00:28:31,876 --> 00:28:33,420 ‎I'm very grateful. 556 00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:37,173 ‎Well, surely something must get under ‎your skin once in a while, doesn't it? 557 00:28:37,257 --> 00:28:40,260 ‎Well, about the only thing ‎that bothers me is 558 00:28:40,343 --> 00:28:42,095 ‎when people accuse me of... 559 00:28:42,178 --> 00:28:46,266 ‎of having a following ‎only of nice old ladies. 560 00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:48,685 ‎I have nothing ‎against the nice old ladies, 561 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:51,396 ‎but I like nice young ladies, too. 562 00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,606 ‎- ‎-Well, Lee, 563 00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,692 ‎thanks so much for letting us ‎come and visit you. 564 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:58,194 ‎And will you say goodnight ‎to the rest of your family for us? 565 00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:00,363 ‎-I certainly would. ‎-Thanks. Thanks a lot. 566 00:29:00,447 --> 00:29:03,408 ‎-‎Thank you so much. Good night, Ed. ‎-Good night, Lee. 567 00:29:03,491 --> 00:29:05,994 ‎Next week we'll take you ‎to Beverly Hills, California, 568 00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:08,621 ‎and the home of Mickey Rooney ‎and his new bride. 569 00:29:08,705 --> 00:29:11,916 ‎Until then, good night, and good luck. 570 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,002 ‎[John] And we're out. 571 00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:18,381 572 00:29:19,507 --> 00:29:20,759 ‎[cameraman] Good show, Ed. 573 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:25,096 574 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,069 575 00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:48,495 ‎Mr. Murrow. 576 00:29:50,663 --> 00:29:55,168 ‎Uh, Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley was wondering ‎if you'd meet him for a drink. 577 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:56,628 ‎When? 578 00:29:56,711 --> 00:29:59,339 ‎Uh, now. He's at the Pentathon Bar. 579 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:00,799 ‎What's he doing there? 580 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:03,092 ‎Will you just call him, Shirley, ‎will you, please? 581 00:30:03,176 --> 00:30:04,719 ‎-I'll let him know. ‎-Thank you. 582 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:09,808 ‎-Hi, Don. ‎-Hi, Shirley. 583 00:30:11,351 --> 00:30:13,895 ‎Huh. 584 00:30:14,938 --> 00:30:16,648 585 00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:19,651 ‎You're getting good at this, Ed. 586 00:30:19,734 --> 00:30:21,110 ‎They're gonna think you like it. 587 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:25,073 ‎[chuckles] Pays the bills. ‎How are you, Don? 588 00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:26,658 ‎It's day to day. 589 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,744 ‎Well, if she saw how good you ‎look right now, she'd be back. 590 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,247 ‎Tell her that if you see her, will ya? 591 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,541 ‎So I read the O'Brian piece. 592 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:37,418 ‎Yeah, it's pretty tough. 593 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:40,755 ‎I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 594 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,299 ‎Just waiting for him to say ‎my wife left me too. 595 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,510 ‎Well, nobody worth their salt reads him. 596 00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:48,805 ‎-You read him. ‎-Well, see, I rest my case. 597 00:30:48,888 --> 00:30:50,431 598 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:51,724 ‎Does Paley read him? 599 00:30:53,142 --> 00:30:56,145 ‎Bill Paley's not going ‎to do anything, Don. 600 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:58,523 ‎Listen, Ed. Thanks. 601 00:30:58,606 --> 00:31:01,651 ‎I just came over because I wanted to say ‎how great the lieutenant piece was. 602 00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:03,611 ‎-Thanks. ‎-How's the fallout? 603 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:05,697 ‎Mostly good, surprisingly. 604 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,116 ‎Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 605 00:31:08,199 --> 00:31:10,451 ‎It's just a little poke ‎with a stick, see what happens. 606 00:31:10,535 --> 00:31:12,662 ‎Well, let me know if I can help. 607 00:31:12,745 --> 00:31:15,206 ‎-But you're a pinko, Don. ‎-I'll see you, Ed. 608 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:16,916 ‎-Yeah. ‎- 609 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,419 ‎[announcer] ‎May I have your attention, ‎please, on track one. 610 00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:22,380 ‎The 8:30 train to New Haven ‎has been canceled. 611 00:31:22,463 --> 00:31:25,216 ‎We apologize for any inconvenience. 612 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:31,931 ‎Hey, Joe, what's all this ‎Radwich junk you're putting out? 613 00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:36,060 ‎Oh, Don, I got nothing to say to you now. 614 00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:38,521 ‎We just gotta get this film ‎off to the lab. 615 00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,064 ‎What would you say if I told you 616 00:31:40,148 --> 00:31:44,110 ‎that Murrow was ‎on the Soviet payroll in 1934? 617 00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:50,950 ‎Uh, give us a sec, will you, Charlie? 618 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,369 ‎Sure. I gotta use the head anyway. 619 00:31:56,247 --> 00:32:00,126 ‎Hey, Joe, watch yourself ‎with this guy. 620 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,844 ‎Is, uh, McCarthy going ‎to the Eisenhower dinner? 621 00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:13,514 ‎No idea. I don't keep ‎the senator's calendar for him, Joe. 622 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,099 ‎Oh, really? 623 00:32:15,183 --> 00:32:16,935 ‎[announcer] ‎This is a track ‎change announcement. 624 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:20,146 ‎The 8:45 Northeast Corridor ‎train to New York City 625 00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:23,107 ‎will be arriving on track two. 626 00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:28,780 ‎What, you don't watch ‎any spy films, Donald? 627 00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:31,908 ‎You can't just hand me ‎a classified folder. 628 00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:35,620 ‎You gotta slip it in my briefcase ‎when I'm not looking. 629 00:32:35,703 --> 00:32:37,497 ‎It's actually perfect. ‎I didn't know who to give 630 00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:40,333 ‎this information to, Paley or Murrow. 631 00:32:40,416 --> 00:32:43,753 ‎As you can imagine, ‎Fred and I aren't very friendly. 632 00:32:43,836 --> 00:32:47,799 ‎-No pun intended. ‎-No pun elocuted. 633 00:32:47,882 --> 00:32:49,217 634 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,513 ‎Elocuted. Is that a word ‎or did you just make that up? 635 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:55,932 ‎You boys and your words. 636 00:32:56,015 --> 00:33:00,353 ‎Is Ed in New York right now ‎memorizing a thesaurus? Joe. 637 00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,981 ‎What's another word for thesaurus? 638 00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:08,444 ‎Oh, it must be awfully quiet ‎at the Algonquin now that you're gone. 639 00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:10,989 ‎Except for Harpo talking away. 640 00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,950 ‎All right, Donald, what do you got? 641 00:33:14,033 --> 00:33:17,161 ‎In short, Ed Murrow's ‎been a Communist sympathizer 642 00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:18,746 ‎since the 1930s. 643 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,957 ‎Member of the Industrial Workers ‎of the World, 644 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,335 ‎sponsor of educational trips to Moscow 645 00:33:24,419 --> 00:33:28,840 ‎and on the Soviet payroll ‎in 1934. It's all there. 646 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:32,552 ‎Uh, you, uh... 647 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:37,140 ‎You want to know why that's not possible? 648 00:33:37,223 --> 00:33:40,810 ‎Or why you're gonna lose this one, Donald? 649 00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:43,146 ‎Because everybody in the country knows 650 00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:47,108 ‎that, if nothing else, ‎Ed Murrow is a loyal American. 651 00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:49,444 ‎-He is a patriot. ‎-Hmm. 652 00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:53,489 ‎Did you know that the word gullible ‎isn't in the dictionary, Joe? 653 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,491 ‎-Can I give this to Ed? ‎-I'd like you to. 654 00:33:55,575 --> 00:33:57,035 ‎I have copies. 655 00:33:58,661 --> 00:34:00,246 ‎I think you guys go too far. 656 00:34:00,329 --> 00:34:04,250 ‎Well, if it walks like a duck ‎and talks like a duck... 657 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:07,545 ‎It's a terrible shame. 658 00:34:07,628 --> 00:34:11,007 ‎Murrow's brother being ‎a general in the air force. 659 00:34:12,091 --> 00:34:13,426 ‎What'd I miss? 660 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:16,387 ‎Nothing. 661 00:34:17,305 --> 00:34:19,348 ‎Donald was just leaving. He's... 662 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:22,310 ‎got a hole to crawl back into. 663 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:25,438 ‎[Don chuckles] Give my best to Ed. 664 00:34:34,197 --> 00:34:35,907 ‎-Bill. ‎-Hello, Ed. 665 00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:37,950 ‎How's Janet? How's your boy? 666 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:41,954 ‎-All well, how's babe? ‎-Fine. She's fine. 667 00:34:42,038 --> 00:34:44,248 ‎Well, her fundraiser got rained on. 668 00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:46,000 ‎Yeah, that's why I don't plan anything. 669 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,795 ‎Really? You wouldn't know it. 670 00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:52,548 ‎-Reading fiction? ‎-I hope. [laughs] You tell me. 671 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:54,550 ‎Well, we know ‎how they're gonna come at us. 672 00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:58,137 ‎That's just the first shot. ‎Somebody will go down. 673 00:34:58,221 --> 00:34:59,639 ‎Now, have you checked your facts? 674 00:34:59,722 --> 00:35:02,266 ‎-Are you on safe ground? ‎-It's time. Show our cards. 675 00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,227 ‎They're my cards. 676 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:08,272 ‎You lose, what happens? ‎Five guys find themselves out of work. 677 00:35:09,065 --> 00:35:14,028 ‎I am responsible for a hell of a lot more ‎than five goddamn reporters. 678 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,281 ‎Let it go. 679 00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:20,076 ‎McCarthy will self-destruct, ‎Cohn, all of them. 680 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,619 ‎It's not like you to run from a fight. 681 00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:23,287 ‎-I'm not running from anything. ‎-Is that so? 682 00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:24,789 ‎Hey. 683 00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:26,457 ‎-I write your check. ‎-Yeah. 684 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:29,877 ‎I put you in that country house. ‎I put your son through school. 685 00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:33,089 ‎And you should have told me about this ‎before it got so far down the road. 686 00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:34,715 ‎Is it an apology that you want? 687 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:38,177 ‎We don't make the news, Ed. ‎We report the news. 688 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,846 ‎99% percent of the time ‎he is wrong 689 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,639 ‎about the people he labels ‎as being a Communist. 690 00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:43,683 ‎If he goes too far, ‎the Senate will investigate him, 691 00:35:43,766 --> 00:35:45,268 ‎-and we will report on that. ‎-But 100% of the time 692 00:35:45,351 --> 00:35:46,936 ‎he is wrong when he steps ‎on their civil liberties. 693 00:35:47,019 --> 00:35:50,731 ‎What are you doing, Ed? ‎You are trying him in the press. 694 00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:55,611 ‎No. You have decided on this, ‎and you're presenting it as fact. 695 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:56,946 ‎So where do you wanna take this? 696 00:35:58,865 --> 00:35:59,907 697 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:08,124 ‎Every one of your boys has to be clean. ‎You understand? No ties. 698 00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:14,130 ‎If Aaron's mother went to a group ‎theater fundraiser in 1932, he is out. 699 00:36:14,213 --> 00:36:19,635 ‎Hewitt, too. Everyone in that room. ‎Make no mistake, I will cut them loose. 700 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,681 ‎And Corporate will not interfere ‎with Editorial. 701 00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:27,143 ‎But Editorial will not jeopardize 702 00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:30,021 ‎the hundreds of employees ‎of the Columbia Broadcasting System. 703 00:36:30,104 --> 00:36:31,647 ‎- ‎-Yes? 704 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:34,442 ‎[secretary] ‎Mr. Paley, ‎Senator Symington is on the phone. 705 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:35,651 706 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,197 ‎And we're not advertising it. 707 00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:44,452 ‎Hello, Stu. Right. 708 00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:47,038 ‎Well, yes, Senator, I do have a question. 709 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:48,623 ‎The US military is said to have 710 00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:51,709 ‎better nuclear capabilities ‎with much smaller bombs. 711 00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:55,087 ‎But the Soviets have developed ‎longer-range missiles, 712 00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,173 ‎which pits the two powers ‎against each other 713 00:36:57,256 --> 00:37:00,092 ‎in a race to build the first ‎intercontinental rocket 714 00:37:00,176 --> 00:37:02,428 ‎capable of delivering a nuclear explosion. 715 00:37:03,387 --> 00:37:05,514 ‎The Soviets believe ‎they have the upper hand. 716 00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:08,184 ‎But military experts ‎here at home are confident 717 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:09,727 ‎the US will win the race 718 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,812 ‎to complete a full ‎and functioning missile... 719 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:13,439 ‎[John] Is this about our sponsors? 720 00:37:13,522 --> 00:37:15,483 ‎Are we afraid ‎of losing our sponsors? 721 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:16,525 ‎[Palmer] Have we lost sponsors? 722 00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:17,818 ‎-Come on. ‎-I don't understand... 723 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,570 ‎Fellas, listen... Let me make it easier. 724 00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:22,365 ‎I just need to know, ‎for the good of the peace, 725 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:26,077 ‎if any of you have any connection at all. 726 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,039 ‎Read a Communist newsletter. ‎Traveled to St. Petersburg. 727 00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:33,417 ‎Was your mother dating ‎a socialist in 1922? 728 00:37:33,501 --> 00:37:36,003 ‎You know what, ‎why don't you leave my mother out of this? 729 00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:39,340 ‎Don't care. I just need to know. 730 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:41,759 ‎You know, I had ‎a fling with a fascist once. 731 00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:43,135 ‎Oh, that must have been fun. 732 00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:45,513 ‎No, not after the war. ‎They were a little down. 733 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:46,722 ‎[Fred] Knock it off. Knock it off. 734 00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:50,059 ‎Maybe it was you, Eddie. ‎It was definitely you, Eddie. 735 00:37:50,142 --> 00:37:51,811 ‎And I think I should excuse myself. 736 00:37:51,894 --> 00:37:53,813 ‎I'm gonna have to excuse myself. 737 00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:55,147 738 00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:58,317 ‎No, really, let me get it out now. 739 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:03,739 ‎-I don't wanna hurt us. ‎-Christ. Okay, that kills us. 740 00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:04,740 ‎Oh. 741 00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:08,119 ‎My ex was... 742 00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:12,415 ‎I... [sighs] I wouldn't say ‎she was a Communist, but... 743 00:38:14,041 --> 00:38:15,751 ‎she certainly attended meetings. 744 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:19,297 ‎It was before we were married, 745 00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:23,342 ‎and it never came up ‎until after we were divorced. 746 00:38:24,051 --> 00:38:26,387 ‎It didn't matter then, we were... 747 00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:29,265 ‎We were all on the same side. 748 00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:33,602 ‎Look, I'm not telling you ‎anything you don't already know. 749 00:38:33,686 --> 00:38:36,063 ‎But the thing of it is, ‎somebody will find out 750 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:37,398 ‎and they'll hurt us with it. 751 00:38:37,481 --> 00:38:40,026 ‎Hurt us? We can't do the story. 752 00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:41,235 ‎I should have told you sooner. 753 00:38:42,236 --> 00:38:45,239 ‎[sighs] I'm sorry, Fred. Ed... 754 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:48,284 755 00:38:50,244 --> 00:38:51,412 ‎Sit down, Palmer. 756 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:53,497 ‎Sit down. 757 00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:00,296 ‎[chuckles] I... 758 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:06,177 ‎If none of us ever read a book ‎that was dangerous 759 00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:08,471 ‎or had a friend that was different, 760 00:39:08,554 --> 00:39:11,057 ‎or joined an organization ‎that advocated change... 761 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:15,603 ‎we would all be the exact kind ‎of person Joe McCarthy wants. 762 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,482 ‎We're gonna go with the story... 763 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,569 ‎because the terror is right here ‎in this room. 764 00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:27,990 ‎Our next report will be ‎about the junior senator 765 00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:30,034 ‎from Wisconsin and, Fred, ‎we use only his words, 766 00:39:30,117 --> 00:39:31,243 ‎you understand? 767 00:39:32,495 --> 00:39:33,871 ‎Okay, fellas, that's it. 768 00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:36,040 ‎All the footage we've banked. Everything. 769 00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:39,293 ‎John, you and Joe and Charlie ‎go through the HUAC hearings. 770 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:44,340 ‎Eddie and Palmer, see what else we have. ‎Any speeches he gave or interviews. 771 00:39:44,423 --> 00:39:47,259 ‎His own words, boys, that's what we need. 772 00:39:47,343 --> 00:39:50,179 ‎Millie, give me those notes. 773 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,891 ‎-[Ella] Yeah. ‎- 774 00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:56,644 775 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,274 ‎♪ There may trouble ahead ♪ 776 00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:04,443 ‎♪ But while there's moonlight ♪ 777 00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:09,198 ‎♪ And music and love and romance ♪ 778 00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:13,869 ‎♪ Let's face the music and dance ♪ 779 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:18,416 ‎♪ Before the fiddlers have fled ♪ 780 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:22,670 ‎♪ Before they ask us to pay the bill ♪ 781 00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:27,466 ‎♪ And while we still got a chance ♪ 782 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:32,012 ‎♪ Let's face the music and dance ♪ 783 00:40:32,096 --> 00:40:35,975 ‎♪ Soon, we'll be without the moon ♪ 784 00:40:36,058 --> 00:40:41,397 ‎♪ Humming a different tune and then ♪ 785 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,943 ‎♪ There may be teardrops to shed ♪ 786 00:40:46,026 --> 00:40:49,196 ‎♪ But while there's moonlight and music ♪ 787 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,700 ‎♪ And love and romance ♪ 788 00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:57,788 ‎♪ Let's face the music and dance ♪ 789 00:40:57,872 --> 00:41:01,584 ‎♪ Let's face the music ♪ 790 00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:06,046 ‎♪ And dance ♪ 791 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,383 792 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,218 ‎[Hewitt] Two minutes to air. 793 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:13,721 ‎-Are we gonna make it? ‎-We lost a projector. 794 00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:16,098 ‎Yeah, we'll make it. 795 00:41:16,182 --> 00:41:19,351 ‎Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. ‎Uh, Mr. Paley's on the line. 796 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,689 ‎Maybe he's gonna reimburse us for the ads. 797 00:41:23,772 --> 00:41:25,483 ‎-You'd like that. ‎-[Fred] I would like that. 798 00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:26,942 799 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:30,196 ‎This is Ed. 800 00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:32,990 ‎Hey, the Knickerbockers ‎are playing tonight 801 00:41:33,073 --> 00:41:35,743 ‎and I got front row seats. ‎Are you interested? 802 00:41:36,368 --> 00:41:39,038 ‎I'm a little busy bringing down ‎the network tonight, Bill. 803 00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:40,748 804 00:41:40,831 --> 00:41:42,917 ‎Oh, is that tonight? 805 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,211 ‎-The Knickerbockers you said. ‎-[Bill] Front row. 806 00:41:45,294 --> 00:41:46,545 ‎It's tempting. 807 00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,716 ‎So you know, we're covered. 808 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:52,510 ‎All right. 809 00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:56,597 ‎I'm with you tonight, Ed. 810 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,183 ‎And I'll be with you ‎in the morning as well. 811 00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:01,810 ‎Thanks, Bill. 812 00:42:04,021 --> 00:42:05,356 ‎[Shirley] What do you think, Joe? 813 00:42:06,273 --> 00:42:09,193 ‎I think we're ready. 814 00:42:09,276 --> 00:42:11,695 ‎I wish we could wait ‎till we get more footage. 815 00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:13,405 ‎I just don't think we can take the chance. 816 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:18,035 ‎I think that we have to hit McCarthy ‎before he can come after Ed. 817 00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:21,914 ‎Well, they haven't gone ‎after The Alsops or Herb Block. 818 00:42:21,997 --> 00:42:25,501 ‎Yeah. [chuckles] The Alsops ‎and Herb Block didn't work 819 00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:29,004 ‎for the Institute of ‎International Education in 1934. 820 00:42:30,339 --> 00:42:32,758 ‎Then I guess it's time. 821 00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:34,927 ‎-Okay. ‎-[Shirley] Hi. 822 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:36,512 ‎-Hi. ‎-Hi. 823 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:37,513 ‎[Shirley] Bye. 824 00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:39,265 ‎-Bye. ‎-Bye. 825 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:44,728 ‎You worried? 826 00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,731 ‎I didn't think I was. Uh... 827 00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:50,526 ‎I... I don't know why. ‎I was in the office on Friday. 828 00:42:50,609 --> 00:42:51,944 ‎I answered the phone. 829 00:42:52,027 --> 00:42:54,363 ‎It was Howard calling from London. 830 00:42:54,446 --> 00:42:56,282 ‎He asked me ‎what was going on with McCarthy 831 00:42:56,365 --> 00:42:58,909 ‎and before I answered him I turned 832 00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:01,912 ‎and looked over my shoulder ‎to see who was listening. 833 00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:04,415 ‎And who was listening? 834 00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:08,043 ‎-Chairman Mao. ‎- 835 00:43:08,127 --> 00:43:12,339 ‎-Ah, Joe, your ring. ‎-Jesus Christ. 836 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:14,592 ‎Name me another wife ‎who reminds her husband 837 00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:17,761 ‎to take off his wedding ring ‎before he goes to the office. 838 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:19,847 ‎-Ava Gardner. ‎- 839 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:21,307 ‎[Hewitt] Thirty seconds. 840 00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:26,604 841 00:43:29,064 --> 00:43:30,441 ‎[clears throat] Beautiful. 842 00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,658 ‎[Hewitt] Twenty seconds. 843 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:50,753 ‎[Hewitt] Ten seconds. 844 00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:59,136 ‎[Hewitt] In five, four, three, two. 845 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:02,389 ‎Good evening. 846 00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:04,975 ‎Because a report ‎on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy 847 00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:07,603 ‎is by definition controversial, ‎we wanna say 848 00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:10,439 ‎exactly what we mean ‎and request permission to read 849 00:44:10,522 --> 00:44:14,735 ‎from a script any remarks ‎Murrow and Friendly may make. 850 00:44:14,818 --> 00:44:16,654 ‎If the senator feels ‎that we have done violence 851 00:44:16,737 --> 00:44:19,406 ‎to his words or pictures ‎and he wishes to speak 852 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:20,658 ‎to answer himself, 853 00:44:20,741 --> 00:44:24,203 ‎an opportunity will be afforded him ‎on this program. 854 00:44:24,286 --> 00:44:27,164 ‎Our working thesis tonight ‎is from this quotation, 855 00:44:27,247 --> 00:44:29,750 ‎"If this fight against ‎Communism has made a fight 856 00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:32,711 ‎between America's ‎two great political parties, 857 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,797 ‎the American people ‎know that one of those parties 858 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,174 ‎will be destroyed ‎and the Republic cannot endure 859 00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:39,176 ‎very long as a one-party system." 860 00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:40,469 ‎We applaud that statement. 861 00:44:40,552 --> 00:44:45,391 ‎We think Senator McCarthy should as well. ‎He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 862 00:44:46,517 --> 00:44:49,853 ‎The American people realize ‎that this cannot be made a fight 863 00:44:49,937 --> 00:44:52,648 ‎between America's ‎two great political parties. 864 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:55,025 ‎If the fight against Communism ‎is made a fight 865 00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:57,236 ‎between America's ‎two great political parties, 866 00:44:57,319 --> 00:44:59,571 ‎the American people know ‎that one of those parties 867 00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:02,950 ‎will be destroyed ‎and the Republic can't endure 868 00:45:03,033 --> 00:45:04,910 ‎very long as a one-party system. 869 00:45:04,993 --> 00:45:08,247 ‎On one thing the senator ‎has been consistent. 870 00:45:08,330 --> 00:45:12,584 ‎Often acting as a one-man committee, ‎he has traveled far, interviewed many, 871 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:16,338 ‎terrorized some, ‎accused civilian and military leaders 872 00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,590 ‎of the past administration ‎of a great conspiracy 873 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:21,301 ‎to hand over the country to Communism. 874 00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:23,470 ‎Well, may I say ‎that I was extremely shocked 875 00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:26,515 ‎when I heard that Secretary Stevens 876 00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:30,310 ‎told two Army officers ‎that they had to take part 877 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:34,148 ‎in the cover-up of those who promoted ‎and coddled Communists. 878 00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:39,736 ‎As I read each statement, I, uh... ‎thought of that quotation, 879 00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:45,033 ‎"On what meat doth this our Caesar feed?" 880 00:45:45,117 --> 00:45:47,661 ‎And upon what meat ‎does Senator McCarthy feed? 881 00:45:47,744 --> 00:45:50,831 ‎Two of the staples of his diet ‎are the investigations 882 00:45:50,914 --> 00:45:54,460 ‎protected by immunity and half-truths. 883 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:56,795 ‎You... You attended Columbia University 884 00:45:56,879 --> 00:45:59,214 ‎-in the early '30s? ‎-[Harris] ‎I did, Mr. Chairman. 885 00:45:59,298 --> 00:46:00,757 ‎Will you speak a little louder, sir? 886 00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:02,634 ‎[Harris] ‎I did, Mr. Chairman. 887 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:06,388 ‎And were you expelled from Columbia? 888 00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:11,852 ‎[Harris] ‎I was suspended from ‎classes on April 1st, 1932. 889 00:46:11,935 --> 00:46:16,899 ‎I was later reinstated. ‎And I resigned from the university. 890 00:46:16,982 --> 00:46:19,234 ‎[McCarthy] ‎And you resigned ‎from the university. 891 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:20,527 ‎Uh... 892 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:25,073 ‎Did the Civil Liberties Union ‎provide you with an attorney 893 00:46:25,157 --> 00:46:26,950 ‎at that time? 894 00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:29,286 ‎[Harris] ‎I had many offers ‎of attorneys, and one of those 895 00:46:29,369 --> 00:46:31,914 ‎was from the American Civil ‎Liberties Union. Yes. 896 00:46:31,997 --> 00:46:33,999 ‎The question is, ‎did the Civil Liberties Union 897 00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:35,459 ‎supply you with an attorney? 898 00:46:35,542 --> 00:46:37,085 ‎[Harris] ‎They did supply an attorney. 899 00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:39,546 ‎-The answer is yes. ‎-‎[Harris] ‎The answer is yes. 900 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,381 ‎Uh, you know the Civil Liberties Union 901 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,176 ‎has been listed as a front for, ‎and doing the work of, 902 00:46:44,259 --> 00:46:45,677 ‎the Communist Party. 903 00:46:46,845 --> 00:46:49,973 ‎[Harris] ‎Mr. Chairman, this was 1932. 904 00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:51,558 ‎[McCarthy] ‎Yeah, I know this was 1932. 905 00:46:51,642 --> 00:46:53,936 ‎Do you know that they ‎since have been listed 906 00:46:54,019 --> 00:46:56,313 ‎as a front for, and doing the work of, ‎the Communist Party? 907 00:46:56,396 --> 00:46:57,981 ‎[Harris] ‎I do not know ‎that they have been listed. 908 00:46:58,065 --> 00:46:59,066 ‎So, sir, no, I do not. 909 00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:01,151 ‎-‎You don't know they have been listed? ‎-‎I have heard that mentioned... 910 00:47:01,235 --> 00:47:02,986 ‎or read that mentioned. 911 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:07,574 ‎Now, you wrote a book in 1932. ‎I'm going to ask you again. 912 00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:09,368 ‎At the time you wrote this book, 913 00:47:09,451 --> 00:47:14,164 ‎did you feel that professors ‎should be given the right 914 00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,708 ‎to teach sophomores that marriage... 915 00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:21,672 ‎uh, let me quote... "should be ‎cast out of our civilization 916 00:47:21,755 --> 00:47:25,801 ‎as antiquated and stupid ‎religious phenomena?" 917 00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:27,719 ‎Was that your feeling at that time? 918 00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:31,348 ‎[Harris] ‎My feeling was that professors ‎should have the right to express 919 00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:34,726 ‎their considered opinions on any subject, ‎whatever they were, sir. 920 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:36,562 ‎[McCarthy] ‎I'm going to make you ‎answer this. 921 00:47:36,645 --> 00:47:40,399 ‎I'll answer yes. But you put ‎an implication on it. 922 00:47:40,482 --> 00:47:42,901 ‎And you feature this particular ‎point out of a book, 923 00:47:42,985 --> 00:47:44,820 ‎which, of course is quite out of context, 924 00:47:44,903 --> 00:47:48,240 ‎does not give a proper impression ‎of the book as a whole. 925 00:47:48,323 --> 00:47:50,242 ‎The American public doesn't ‎get an honest impression 926 00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:51,994 ‎of even that book, bad as it is... 927 00:47:52,077 --> 00:47:54,997 ‎[Hewitt] Back in five, four, three, two... 928 00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:59,501 ‎The Reed Harris hearing illustrates ‎one of the senator's techniques. 929 00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:02,170 ‎Twice he said the American ‎Civil Liberties Union was listed 930 00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:04,047 ‎as a subversive front. 931 00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:06,258 ‎The Attorney General's list ‎does not and never has 932 00:48:06,341 --> 00:48:08,510 ‎listed the ACLU as subversive, 933 00:48:08,594 --> 00:48:12,264 ‎nor has the FBI or any other ‎federal government agency. 934 00:48:12,347 --> 00:48:14,808 ‎And the ACLU holds in its files 935 00:48:14,891 --> 00:48:16,977 ‎letters of commendation ‎from President Truman, 936 00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:20,439 ‎President Eisenhower, ‎and General MacArthur. 937 00:48:20,522 --> 00:48:22,065 ‎Earlier, the senator asked, 938 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:25,611 ‎"Upon what meat ‎does this our Caesar feed?" 939 00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,070 ‎Had he looked three lines earlier 940 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:29,656 ‎in Shakespeare's ‎Caesar, ‎he would have found this line, 941 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:31,783 ‎which is not altogether inappropriate, 942 00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:37,164 ‎"The fault, dear Brutus, ‎is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 943 00:48:37,247 --> 00:48:39,916 ‎No one familiar with the history ‎of this country can deny 944 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,085 ‎that congressional committees are useful. 945 00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:45,797 ‎It is necessary to investigate ‎before legislating, 946 00:48:45,881 --> 00:48:49,301 ‎but the line between investigating ‎and persecuting is a very fine one. 947 00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:53,930 ‎And the junior senator from Wisconsin ‎has stepped over it repeatedly. 948 00:48:54,014 --> 00:48:56,808 ‎We must not confuse ‎dissent with disloyalty. 949 00:48:56,892 --> 00:48:59,686 ‎We must remember always ‎that accusation is not proof, 950 00:48:59,770 --> 00:49:03,398 ‎and that conviction depends upon evidence ‎and due process of law. 951 00:49:03,482 --> 00:49:06,068 ‎We will not walk in fear, one of another. 952 00:49:06,151 --> 00:49:08,945 ‎We will not be driven ‎by fear into an age of unreason, 953 00:49:09,029 --> 00:49:11,281 ‎if we dig deep ‎in our history and our doctrine, 954 00:49:11,365 --> 00:49:14,076 ‎and remember that we are not ‎descended from fearful men, 955 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,496 ‎not from men who fear to write, ‎to speak, to associate, 956 00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:19,289 ‎or to defend the causes that are, 957 00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:21,333 ‎for the moment, unpopular. 958 00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:24,795 ‎We proclaim ourselves as indeed ‎we are the defenders of freedom, 959 00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:27,172 ‎wherever it continues ‎to exist in the world, 960 00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:31,551 ‎but we cannot defend freedom ‎abroad by deserting it at home. 961 00:49:31,635 --> 00:49:34,304 ‎The actions of ‎the junior senator from Wisconsin 962 00:49:34,388 --> 00:49:37,766 ‎have caused alarm and dismay ‎amongst our allies abroad, 963 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:41,144 ‎and given considerable comfort ‎to our enemies. 964 00:49:41,228 --> 00:49:43,105 ‎And whose fault is that? 965 00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:44,690 ‎Not really his. 966 00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:47,442 ‎He didn't create this situation of fear. 967 00:49:47,526 --> 00:49:51,905 ‎He merely exploited it, ‎and rather successfully. 968 00:49:51,988 --> 00:49:54,074 ‎Cassius was right. 969 00:49:54,157 --> 00:49:57,369 ‎"The fault, dear Brutus, ‎is not in our stars, 970 00:49:57,452 --> 00:50:01,206 ‎but in ourselves." ‎Good night, and good luck. 971 00:50:01,289 --> 00:50:04,292 972 00:50:07,754 --> 00:50:08,880 ‎[Hewitt] And we're out. 973 00:50:13,427 --> 00:50:15,011 ‎[Hollenbeck] Good evening. 974 00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:18,390 ‎I don't know whether all of you ‎have seen what I just saw, 975 00:50:18,473 --> 00:50:20,475 ‎but I want to associate myself ‎and this program 976 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,018 ‎with what Ed Murrow has just said 977 00:50:22,102 --> 00:50:25,272 ‎and say that I've never been ‎prouder of CBS. 978 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:27,190 ‎And now the news... 979 00:50:27,274 --> 00:50:28,567 ‎Feel like a scotch? 980 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,152 ‎I think everybody could use one. 981 00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:31,236 ‎[Ed] Yep. 982 00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:33,155 ‎[Hollenbeck] Women have moved ‎into another male domain. 983 00:50:33,238 --> 00:50:35,115 ‎In 20 United States cities 984 00:50:35,198 --> 00:50:36,950 ‎they've proved themselves ‎highly efficient 985 00:50:37,033 --> 00:50:38,869 ‎in parking and traffic control. 986 00:50:38,952 --> 00:50:40,662 987 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:42,456 988 00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:13,153 ‎[Ed] Fritz, what time is it? 989 00:51:13,236 --> 00:51:17,824 ‎Uh... 3:30. Early editions are out now. 990 00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:19,534 ‎[Ed] Oh, I'm not worried about that. 991 00:51:19,618 --> 00:51:21,536 ‎[chuckles] No, of course not. 992 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:25,207 ‎Hey, Shirl, honey, run down ‎and pick up the early edition. 993 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:26,541 ‎-[Shirley] All of them? ‎-All of them. 994 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,126 ‎-Just get O'Brian. ‎- 995 00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:30,462 ‎- ‎-[Shirley] All right. Uh... Watch my drink. 996 00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,339 ‎Yeah, I'll go with you, Shirley. 997 00:51:35,509 --> 00:51:37,677 998 00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:39,971 ‎I'm gonna have to fire Joe ‎so those two can date. 999 00:51:40,055 --> 00:51:42,140 ‎-Cigarette? ‎-I quit. 1000 00:51:42,224 --> 00:51:44,142 ‎Good time to quit. 1001 00:51:44,226 --> 00:51:45,560 ‎Yeah, but what could you do? 1002 00:51:45,644 --> 00:51:48,230 ‎Well, first we want to see ‎if we have jobs tomorrow. 1003 00:51:48,313 --> 00:51:49,981 ‎And if we still have jobs tomorrow, 1004 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,151 ‎then, uh, Tail Gunner Joe ‎gets to return fire. 1005 00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:54,402 ‎What's he gonna say? 1006 00:51:54,486 --> 00:51:57,572 ‎Uh, he's gonna say ‎we're, uh, a pinko organization 1007 00:51:57,656 --> 00:52:00,325 ‎-with a leftist agenda. ‎-We used his own words. 1008 00:52:00,408 --> 00:52:01,701 ‎It's, uh... 1009 00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:05,038 ‎Well, we do have a leftist agenda. 1010 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:07,874 ‎I'm a pinko. 1011 00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:09,543 1012 00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:11,253 ‎A little too loud there, Charlie. 1013 00:52:11,336 --> 00:52:12,712 1014 00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:14,631 ‎It's got awfully quiet there, didn't it? 1015 00:52:14,714 --> 00:52:16,633 ‎We've got Annie Lee Moss. 1016 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:19,553 ‎We can have that together ‎by next week if need be. 1017 00:52:19,636 --> 00:52:22,013 ‎-Is that a whole show? ‎-It's close. 1018 00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:24,224 ‎-Listen, Ed. ‎- 1019 00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:27,060 ‎There's not gonna be ‎a shortage of material on him. 1020 00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:29,396 ‎What we have to do now ‎is keep up the pressure 1021 00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:31,565 ‎till his rebuttal... 1022 00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:33,316 ‎and then move to Calcutta. 1023 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,360 1024 00:52:35,443 --> 00:52:39,447 ‎-Sure do miss radio. ‎-You've got a face for radio. 1025 00:52:40,866 --> 00:52:42,325 ‎That's what my wife keeps telling me. 1026 00:52:42,409 --> 00:52:44,870 ‎[Shirley] All right, here we go. ‎We've got all of them. 1027 00:52:44,953 --> 00:52:46,705 ‎Um, ‎The Post, The Times. 1028 00:52:46,788 --> 00:52:48,206 ‎-Who wrote it? ‎-[Shirley] Jack Gould. 1029 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:49,583 1030 00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:52,836 ‎"Edward R. Murrow's television program 1031 00:52:52,919 --> 00:52:57,257 ‎on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy ‎was an exciting and provocative 1032 00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,176 ‎examination of the man and his methods. 1033 00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:05,473 ‎It was crusading journalism ‎of high responsibility and courage. 1034 00:53:05,557 --> 00:53:09,436 ‎For TV so often plagued ‎by timidity and hesitation, 1035 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,898 ‎the program was a milestone that reflected ‎enlightened citizenship." 1036 00:53:12,981 --> 00:53:14,566 ‎Okay. He didn't like it. 1037 00:53:14,649 --> 00:53:16,651 ‎[Eddie] Yeah, what's this guy's beef, huh? 1038 00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:18,945 ‎[Shirley] Wait. Hold on. Hold on. 1039 00:53:19,029 --> 00:53:21,740 ‎"The program was no less ‎an indictment of those who wish 1040 00:53:21,823 --> 00:53:24,200 ‎the problems posed ‎by the senator's tactics 1041 00:53:24,284 --> 00:53:28,288 ‎and theatrics would just ‎go away and leave them alone. 1042 00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:30,332 ‎That was Mr. Murrow's ‎and television's triumph, 1043 00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:31,541 ‎and a very great one." 1044 00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:33,501 ‎-Hear, hear! ‎- 1045 00:53:33,585 --> 00:53:36,046 ‎Fritz, send ‎The New York Times ‎a bottle of scotch. 1046 00:53:36,129 --> 00:53:38,632 ‎I already did. How do you think ‎we got that review? 1047 00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:40,717 1048 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,177 ‎-[Palmer] What about ‎The Post? ‎-[Ed] Hmm. 1049 00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:44,012 ‎-[Joe] It's pretty good. ‎-[staff] Yeah. Yeah. 1050 00:53:44,095 --> 00:53:46,514 ‎-What about O'Brian? ‎-[Shirley] The same. 1051 00:53:46,598 --> 00:53:49,476 ‎- ‎-Shirley, what did O'Brian say? 1052 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,604 ‎Oh, I don't have it. ‎Um, Joe, what about you? 1053 00:53:52,687 --> 00:53:55,065 ‎Uh... I... No, it's here somewhere. 1054 00:53:56,524 --> 00:53:58,443 ‎[Shirley] Okay, um... 1055 00:53:59,986 --> 00:54:03,615 ‎Hang on. I... Okay. ‎[clears throat] Jack O'Brian. 1056 00:54:05,033 --> 00:54:07,744 ‎"We can't say we were surprised ‎at Edward R. Murrow's 1057 00:54:07,827 --> 00:54:10,914 ‎hate-McCarthy telecast last evening 1058 00:54:10,997 --> 00:54:16,670 ‎when his explosively one-sided propaganda, ‎edited with deviously clever selectivity 1059 00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:20,924 ‎for McCarthy's march against Communism, ‎was finished last evening. 1060 00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:23,134 ‎By equally Machiavellian coincidence, 1061 00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:27,514 ‎the following telecast featured ‎Murrow's PM protégé, Don Hollenbeck." 1062 00:54:27,597 --> 00:54:29,140 ‎- ‎-What? 1063 00:54:29,224 --> 00:54:32,310 ‎"Uh, in an obviously ‎gloating mood, Hollenbeck hoped 1064 00:54:32,394 --> 00:54:35,605 ‎viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph ‎from and for the left." 1065 00:54:36,481 --> 00:54:38,024 ‎Uh, and so on and so on. 1066 00:54:38,108 --> 00:54:40,652 ‎Yeah, I guess O'Brian doesn't like scotch. 1067 00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:45,115 ‎-It's okay, Shirley. Finish it. ‎-Shirley, read ‎The Post,‎ huh? 1068 00:54:45,198 --> 00:54:48,702 ‎-That's it, Don. It's just-- ‎-Shirley, finish it. 1069 00:54:48,785 --> 00:54:50,495 ‎-[Shirley] That's it, Don. ‎-[Joe] Don, that's it. 1070 00:54:50,578 --> 00:54:51,830 ‎Shirley. 1071 00:54:54,499 --> 00:54:55,542 ‎Okay. 1072 00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,085 1073 00:54:57,168 --> 00:54:58,670 ‎"The Columbia Broadcasting System 1074 00:54:58,753 --> 00:55:01,506 ‎has been in a lengthy ‎clean-house of lefties mood. 1075 00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:03,174 ‎The worst offenders on lesser levels 1076 00:55:03,258 --> 00:55:05,677 ‎have been quietly ‎pushed out of the company. 1077 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,097 ‎Don Hollenbeck, a graduate ‎of the demised pinko publication 1078 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:13,977 ‎'PM,' attacked conservative newspapers ‎with sly and slanted propaganda. 1079 00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:16,354 ‎He then proceeded through ‎an equally tilted review 1080 00:55:16,438 --> 00:55:18,314 ‎of the day's events, ‎with McCarthy dominating 1081 00:55:18,398 --> 00:55:20,942 ‎his words, actions, attitude and camera..." 1082 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,778 ‎[sighs] It's O'Brian. 1083 00:55:25,071 --> 00:55:26,448 ‎I think I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 1084 00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:27,532 ‎- ‎-Yep. 1085 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:31,411 {\an8}‎-[Fred] I'm heading out. ‎-Yeah. 1086 00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:33,913 {\an8}‎Got a staff meeting in five hours. 1087 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:36,916 {\an8}‎[Joe] Whoa! Whoa, it is late. 1088 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,376 ‎[Fred] Hmm. 1089 00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:40,587 ‎Do you... Do you wanna share a cab? 1090 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:41,880 ‎Oh, uh, yeah. 1091 00:55:41,963 --> 00:55:43,256 ‎-You headed downtown? ‎-Yes. 1092 00:55:43,339 --> 00:55:44,883 ‎But where do you live, Shirley? 1093 00:55:44,966 --> 00:55:47,385 ‎-Oh, she lives downtown. ‎-Yes. 1094 00:55:48,678 --> 00:55:49,888 ‎Hang in there, Don. 1095 00:55:49,971 --> 00:55:51,181 ‎[Hollenbeck] See ya, boys. 1096 00:55:51,264 --> 00:55:54,350 ‎-[Charlie] See ya. ‎-[Palmer] See ya, Ed, Don. 1097 00:55:54,434 --> 00:55:56,728 ‎-I appreciate it. ‎-[Joe] Big day tomorrow. 1098 00:55:56,811 --> 00:55:58,855 ‎Yeah. Today, you mean, huh? 1099 00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:00,023 ‎[staff] We're drinking. We're drinking? 1100 00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:01,608 1101 00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,279 ‎Sorry I missed you the other night, Don. 1102 00:56:09,657 --> 00:56:11,576 ‎I need to ask you something, Ed. 1103 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:13,578 ‎It's about O'Brian. 1104 00:56:13,661 --> 00:56:14,829 ‎-O'Brian doesn't matter. ‎-He's killing me. 1105 00:56:14,913 --> 00:56:16,247 ‎He doesn't make ‎a bit of difference in the news. 1106 00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,291 ‎It's not just him. ‎We have to let this guy have it. 1107 00:56:18,374 --> 00:56:20,126 ‎We're not gonna go after O'Brian. 1108 00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,712 ‎I'm not gonna take on McCarthy and Hearst. 1109 00:56:22,796 --> 00:56:26,341 ‎I can't beat them both. ‎Don't read the paper, Don. 1110 00:56:26,424 --> 00:56:28,093 ‎Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 1111 00:56:33,932 --> 00:56:35,975 ‎No. 1112 00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:37,519 ‎No. I guess not. 1113 00:56:40,855 --> 00:56:41,898 1114 00:56:53,284 --> 00:56:54,285 1115 00:56:57,831 --> 00:56:59,165 ‎I wake up in the morning... 1116 00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:03,336 ‎and I don't recognize anything. 1117 00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:07,549 ‎I feel like I went to sleep ‎three years ago 1118 00:57:07,632 --> 00:57:09,884 ‎and somebody hijacked the... 1119 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:13,638 ‎As if all the reasonable people ‎took a plane to Europe 1120 00:57:13,721 --> 00:57:15,390 ‎-and left us behind. ‎- 1121 00:57:18,184 --> 00:57:19,436 1122 00:57:20,895 --> 00:57:24,816 1123 00:57:26,192 --> 00:57:27,527 1124 00:57:28,486 --> 00:57:29,779 ‎Huh? 1125 00:57:33,158 --> 00:57:34,868 ‎-Uh, I was always... ‎- 1126 00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:42,750 ‎I was always an optimist. Really. ‎I always thought things work out. 1127 00:57:43,501 --> 00:57:44,627 ‎Half full. 1128 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,922 ‎Yeah. 1129 00:57:50,175 --> 00:57:52,760 ‎I believe in the system, Don. 1130 00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:57,098 ‎As disastrous as it can seem ‎at times, I believe in it. 1131 00:57:58,057 --> 00:58:00,185 ‎We designed it to fix it. 1132 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:05,815 ‎Madison built it into the Constitution, ‎for Christ's sake. It's a... 1133 00:58:05,899 --> 00:58:07,442 ‎I was talking about my divorce. 1134 00:58:09,444 --> 00:58:10,487 ‎So was I. 1135 00:58:11,779 --> 00:58:13,573 1136 00:58:13,656 --> 00:58:17,368 ‎Well, I'm glad the forefathers understood ‎the term "dissolution of a union." 1137 00:58:17,452 --> 00:58:21,372 ‎[chuckles] Sure, they had ‎their difficulties with the opposite sex. 1138 00:58:21,456 --> 00:58:23,833 ‎I'm talking about McCarthy. 1139 00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:25,585 ‎So was I. 1140 00:58:30,548 --> 00:58:32,217 ‎Well, I thought I'd try. 1141 00:58:34,302 --> 00:58:35,678 ‎Sorry, Don. 1142 00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:39,891 ‎We never had this conversation, okay? 1143 00:58:40,934 --> 00:58:42,352 ‎If it's okay with you, Senator. 1144 00:58:42,435 --> 00:58:43,937 1145 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:45,563 ‎Don't laugh. I've thought about it. 1146 00:59:06,918 --> 00:59:09,337 ‎- ‎-[announcer] ‎From Studio 41 1147 00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:10,922 ‎in Grand Central Station, New York City... 1148 00:59:11,005 --> 00:59:12,340 ‎- ‎-‎...The Morning Show. 1149 00:59:12,423 --> 00:59:14,092 {\an8}‎-How long for that new copy? ‎-Just give me an hour. 1150 00:59:14,175 --> 00:59:15,677 {\an8}‎Uh, it's gonna need an hour. 1151 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,304 ‎-You've been here all night? ‎-Yeah. We got a deadline. 1152 00:59:18,388 --> 00:59:20,640 ‎-Yeah... ‎-We just got back from D.C. 1153 00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:24,227 ‎McClellan just took an axe to McCarthy ‎at the Pentagon Hearing. 1154 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:26,437 ‎-[Charlie] He called McCarthy evil. ‎-[Palmer] Wait, who did? 1155 00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:28,731 ‎Senator McClellan, sitting two seats ‎down from McCarthy... 1156 00:59:28,815 --> 00:59:30,191 ‎I've gotta get this to the land. 1157 00:59:30,275 --> 00:59:32,402 ‎...gets up, calls him evil. 1158 00:59:32,485 --> 00:59:34,279 ‎-Wait, who's evil? ‎-Did you get it on camera? 1159 00:59:34,362 --> 00:59:36,990 ‎-Yeah, I think we did. ‎-Wait, who is evil? 1160 00:59:37,073 --> 00:59:39,409 ‎-Oh, Eddie... ‎-I can hear you. 1161 00:59:39,492 --> 00:59:40,618 {\an8}‎ 1162 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:41,786 {\an8}‎What are they doing there? 1163 00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:43,663 {\an8}‎Uh, rewriting the Constitution. 1164 00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:46,082 {\an8}‎They were there for the original. 1165 00:59:46,165 --> 00:59:49,002 {\an8}‎Uh, hold on, Joe. ‎Palmer, can I talk to you for a minute? 1166 00:59:49,085 --> 00:59:51,170 {\an8}‎-[Palmer] Yeah. Sure, Fred. ‎-[Fred] Uh, just a second one. 1167 00:59:51,254 --> 00:59:52,672 {\an8}‎-Fred. ‎-[Fred] Yeah? 1168 00:59:52,755 --> 00:59:56,551 {\an8}‎Uh, fellas, uh, ‎McCarthy's office just called. 1169 00:59:56,634 --> 00:59:58,928 ‎-He wants equal time. ‎-When? 1170 00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:01,055 ‎-April 6th. ‎-In studio? 1171 01:00:01,139 --> 01:00:02,640 ‎He wants to film it in his office. 1172 01:00:02,724 --> 01:00:03,850 ‎Who? 1173 01:00:03,933 --> 01:00:05,643 ‎McCarthy. 1174 01:00:05,727 --> 01:00:07,395 ‎[Palmer] Jesus Christ. 1175 01:00:07,478 --> 01:00:09,731 ‎They... They told me ‎Buckley wanted to respond. 1176 01:00:09,814 --> 01:00:11,858 ‎No. Uh... 1177 01:00:11,941 --> 01:00:13,026 ‎It's McCarthy. 1178 01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:15,236 ‎Yeah, but are they gonna ‎let Charlie shoot it? 1179 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,529 ‎What's he gonna say? 1180 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:17,947 1181 01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:20,199 ‎I know what it's gonna be. 1182 01:00:20,283 --> 01:00:23,036 ‎He's gonna come after me. ‎It's the only thing he can do. 1183 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,622 ‎He's gonna bet that a Senator ‎trumps a newsman. 1184 01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:27,707 ‎-Ha. He'll lose. ‎- 1185 01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:30,251 ‎Maybe. 1186 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,546 ‎[sighs] Okay, fellas, here we go. 1187 01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:35,089 ‎Joe, call Stanton and let him know. 1188 01:00:35,173 --> 01:00:36,758 ‎-You got it. ‎-John, uh, let's see 1189 01:00:36,841 --> 01:00:38,676 ‎all the Eisenhower footage you've got. 1190 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:39,969 ‎We'll need to prep for his spots. 1191 01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:42,430 ‎-Okay, Fred. Yup. ‎-Um, Palmer. 1192 01:00:42,513 --> 01:00:45,391 ‎Phil in Legal wants ‎to have a word with you. 1193 01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:51,397 ‎-Okay. Now? ‎-Uh, yes, now is best. 1194 01:00:52,231 --> 01:00:54,942 ‎Never very good news, is it? 1195 01:00:56,778 --> 01:00:57,862 ‎Not often. 1196 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,377 ‎[on phone] ‎Operator. 1197 01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:14,253 ‎Can you connect me with Phil in Legal? 1198 01:01:14,337 --> 01:01:15,421 ‎Right away. 1199 01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:16,673 1200 01:01:17,382 --> 01:01:19,801 ‎-‎Mr. Williams. ‎-Guilty. 1201 01:01:19,884 --> 01:01:21,761 ‎- ‎-‎Let's hope not. 1202 01:01:23,638 --> 01:01:25,515 ‎There isn't a lot of time, ‎so I'll be brief. 1203 01:01:27,058 --> 01:01:30,144 ‎This network is under ‎a tremendous amount of pressure. 1204 01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:32,605 ‎-‎These stories aren't helping. ‎-I... I understand. 1205 01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:33,940 ‎I'm not sure you do. 1206 01:01:35,149 --> 01:01:38,820 ‎There's a great deal of concern ‎about your past positions. 1207 01:01:38,903 --> 01:01:41,280 ‎-My wife's past position? ‎-‎That's right. 1208 01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:44,409 ‎HUAC has a file on you. 1209 01:01:46,452 --> 01:01:49,956 ‎-How do you know? ‎-‎A file was sent to Mr. Paley yesterday. 1210 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:51,457 ‎Well, that's interesting timing. 1211 01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:53,251 ‎Well, when you strike at a king... 1212 01:01:53,334 --> 01:01:55,628 ‎Or a junior senator from Wisconsin? 1213 01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:01,134 ‎CBS is prepared to make an offer. 1214 01:02:01,217 --> 01:02:02,927 ‎-Uh-oh. ‎-‎If you submit your resignation, 1215 01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:06,806 ‎CBS will cover any legal expenses ‎you might incur on this subject. 1216 01:02:06,889 --> 01:02:08,516 ‎-That's awfully kind of you. ‎-‎No, it isn't. 1217 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,060 ‎-No, it isn't. ‎- 1218 01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:14,439 ‎These guys don't play around. ‎They're relentless. 1219 01:02:14,522 --> 01:02:17,608 ‎They will cost you everything you have. 1220 01:02:18,776 --> 01:02:20,153 ‎I understand. 1221 01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:24,615 ‎Do you? 1222 01:02:26,117 --> 01:02:27,118 ‎Palmer... 1223 01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:29,078 ‎take the deal. 1224 01:02:29,871 --> 01:02:33,374 ‎If these guys decide to call you in, ‎we will cut you loose. 1225 01:02:33,458 --> 01:02:37,670 ‎And then no one will be there to help. ‎Not CBS, not Murrow. 1226 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:39,797 ‎No one. 1227 01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,263 ‎Phil, you're a good guy. 1228 01:02:48,723 --> 01:02:51,601 ‎And I... I appreciate that this is your job... 1229 01:02:53,686 --> 01:02:57,023 ‎but what you're asking me to do, ‎I could never do. 1230 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,235 ‎I understand. 1231 01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:06,741 ‎It's funny how your life can be upended 1232 01:03:06,824 --> 01:03:08,826 ‎-just for telling the truth. ‎-And marrying a communist. 1233 01:03:08,910 --> 01:03:10,870 ‎-Oh, yeah. There is that. ‎- 1234 01:03:12,205 --> 01:03:13,206 ‎Be careful. 1235 01:03:14,081 --> 01:03:15,374 ‎Yeah. 1236 01:03:15,917 --> 01:03:17,919 1237 01:03:18,002 --> 01:03:21,130 ‎[Hewitt] Ed. It's 28 minutes. 1238 01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:23,424 ‎I could clip a little off the ends. 1239 01:03:23,508 --> 01:03:27,178 ‎I think we have to leave it alone. ‎Very smart. No time for comment. 1240 01:03:27,261 --> 01:03:31,724 ‎Came in ten minutes ago and we put it up, ‎saw the first couple of minutes... 1241 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:35,228 ‎-You're right. ‎-He's coming after me. 1242 01:03:36,103 --> 01:03:37,730 ‎Okay. Thanks. 1243 01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:42,443 ‎Charlie, have you seen the latest polls? 1244 01:03:42,527 --> 01:03:45,321 ‎The most trusted man in America ‎is Milton Berle. 1245 01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:46,739 1246 01:03:46,823 --> 01:03:48,908 ‎Maybe he should do the story. 1247 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:51,577 ‎[Ed] Hey, Fred. 1248 01:03:51,661 --> 01:03:54,455 ‎What say we grab ‎a little dinner after the show? 1249 01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:56,666 ‎-The 21 Club? ‎-Sure. 1250 01:03:56,749 --> 01:03:58,835 ‎Forty-five seconds to air. 1251 01:04:00,169 --> 01:04:01,838 ‎Look... 1252 01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:04,215 ‎there's nothing fun about this one. 1253 01:04:04,298 --> 01:04:07,260 ‎You just gotta put your gloves down, ‎stick your chin out, 1254 01:04:07,343 --> 01:04:09,554 ‎and just take it for a whole round. 1255 01:04:09,637 --> 01:04:12,890 ‎-Next week's our round. ‎-If I make it up off the mat. 1256 01:04:12,974 --> 01:04:15,059 ‎-You will. ‎-[Hewitt] Thirty seconds. 1257 01:04:15,142 --> 01:04:17,854 ‎[advertiser] ‎Because those rich, ‎hard-working suds 1258 01:04:17,937 --> 01:04:20,106 ‎are ivory mild, 1259 01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:22,859 ‎99 and 44, 100% pure... 1260 01:04:22,942 --> 01:04:25,069 ‎- ‎-...for all your dishes. 1261 01:04:25,152 --> 01:04:26,529 ‎[Hewitt] Twenty seconds. 1262 01:04:26,612 --> 01:04:30,575 ‎...like wonderful Ivory Snow ‎because it's the only soap 1263 01:04:30,658 --> 01:04:33,786 ‎both ivory mild for kindness to your hands 1264 01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:36,664 ‎and granulated for speed in your dishpan. 1265 01:04:36,747 --> 01:04:38,749 ‎-Ten seconds. ‎-...for speedier dishwashing, 1266 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,294 ‎for snow-white hands. 1267 01:04:41,377 --> 01:04:46,549 ‎[Hewitt] In five, four, three, two... 1268 01:04:47,925 --> 01:04:49,010 ‎Good evening. 1269 01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:53,472 ‎One month ago tonight we presented ‎our report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 1270 01:04:53,556 --> 01:04:56,517 ‎We labeled it as controversial. ‎Most of that report 1271 01:04:56,601 --> 01:04:59,437 ‎consisted of words and pictures ‎of the senator. 1272 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,938 ‎At the time, we told the senator 1273 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:03,691 ‎that if he feels that we have ‎done violence to his words 1274 01:05:03,774 --> 01:05:06,736 ‎or pictures and he wishes ‎to speak to answer himself, 1275 01:05:06,819 --> 01:05:09,614 ‎an opportunity would be ‎afforded him on this program. 1276 01:05:09,697 --> 01:05:12,199 ‎The senator sought that opportunity, 1277 01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:14,785 ‎asked for a three-week delay ‎because he said he was very busy 1278 01:05:14,869 --> 01:05:18,664 ‎and wished adequate time ‎to prepare his reply. We agreed. 1279 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:21,083 ‎We placed no restrictions ‎on the method or manner 1280 01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,002 ‎of the presentation of his reply, 1281 01:05:23,085 --> 01:05:27,173 ‎and suggested that we would not take time ‎for comment on this program. 1282 01:05:27,256 --> 01:05:31,552 ‎Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, ‎junior senator from Wisconsin. 1283 01:05:32,803 --> 01:05:34,263 ‎Uh, good evening. 1284 01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:39,477 ‎Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director ‎of the Columbia Broadcasting System, 1285 01:05:40,311 --> 01:05:43,272 ‎devoted his program ‎to an attack on the work 1286 01:05:43,356 --> 01:05:46,108 ‎of the United States Senate ‎Investigating Committee 1287 01:05:46,192 --> 01:05:48,277 ‎and on me personally as its chairman. 1288 01:05:48,361 --> 01:05:51,572 ‎Now, ordinarily... ordinarily, ‎I would not take time out 1289 01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:55,660 ‎from the important work at hand ‎to answer Murrow. 1290 01:05:55,743 --> 01:05:59,497 ‎However, in this case, ‎I feel justified in doing so 1291 01:05:59,580 --> 01:06:01,916 ‎because Murrow is a symbol, 1292 01:06:01,999 --> 01:06:06,253 ‎the leader and the cleverest ‎of the jackal pack, 1293 01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:11,050 ‎which is always found at the throat ‎of anyone who dares to expose 1294 01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,427 ‎individual Communists and traitors. 1295 01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:19,600 ‎I am compelled by the fact ‎to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow, 1296 01:06:19,684 --> 01:06:22,853 ‎as far back as 20 years ago 1297 01:06:22,937 --> 01:06:26,524 ‎was engaged in propaganda ‎for Communist causes. 1298 01:06:27,566 --> 01:06:30,695 ‎For example, the Institute ‎of International Education, 1299 01:06:30,778 --> 01:06:33,572 ‎of which he was the acting director, 1300 01:06:33,656 --> 01:06:39,704 ‎was chosen to act as a representative ‎by a Soviet agency 1301 01:06:39,787 --> 01:06:45,418 ‎to do a job which would normally be done ‎by the Russian Secret Police. 1302 01:06:45,501 --> 01:06:49,046 ‎Now, Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, ‎was a member of the IWW, 1303 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:51,674 ‎that's the Industrial Workers ‎of the World, 1304 01:06:51,757 --> 01:06:55,302 ‎a terrorist organization ‎cited as subversive 1305 01:06:55,386 --> 01:06:57,930 ‎by an Attorney General ‎of the United States. 1306 01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:02,226 ‎Now, Mr. Murrow said ‎on this program, and I quote, 1307 01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:07,440 ‎he said, "The actions ‎of the junior senator from Wisconsin 1308 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:12,028 ‎have given considerable ‎comfort to the enemy." 1309 01:07:12,111 --> 01:07:16,574 ‎That is the language of our Statute ‎of Treason, rather strong language. 1310 01:07:16,657 --> 01:07:22,371 ‎If I am giving comfort to our enemies, ‎I ought not to be in the Senate. 1311 01:07:22,455 --> 01:07:25,666 ‎If, on the other hand, ‎Mr. Murrow is giving comfort 1312 01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:31,088 ‎to our enemies, he ought not to be brought ‎into the homes of millions of Americans 1313 01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:33,799 ‎by the Columbia Broadcasting System. 1314 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:36,135 ‎This is a question... 1315 01:07:36,218 --> 01:07:39,388 ‎which can be resolved ‎with very little difficulty... 1316 01:07:41,724 --> 01:07:44,518 ‎I have to go to Philadelphia ‎in the morning. 1317 01:07:45,811 --> 01:07:49,023 ‎-What time is your train? ‎-Uh, 8:00. 1318 01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:51,692 ‎-Is Charlie going with you? ‎-Mm-hmm. 1319 01:07:57,406 --> 01:07:58,574 ‎[Joe] I don't... 1320 01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:03,079 ‎- ‎-uh... want to say... 1321 01:08:04,246 --> 01:08:05,790 ‎what I'm about to say. 1322 01:08:06,707 --> 01:08:08,417 ‎-Uh-oh. ‎-Yeah. 1323 01:08:08,501 --> 01:08:09,877 ‎You want a divorce? 1324 01:08:10,669 --> 01:08:12,671 ‎No. Do you? 1325 01:08:14,381 --> 01:08:16,258 ‎Depends on what you're about to say. 1326 01:08:16,342 --> 01:08:18,385 1327 01:08:18,469 --> 01:08:21,222 ‎I just keep having this nagging thought... 1328 01:08:22,348 --> 01:08:24,141 ‎that we might be wrong. 1329 01:08:25,142 --> 01:08:26,602 ‎About what? 1330 01:08:26,685 --> 01:08:28,062 ‎Well... 1331 01:08:28,145 --> 01:08:29,939 ‎-there are Communists here. ‎-Yes. 1332 01:08:30,022 --> 01:08:32,650 ‎[chuckles] And hey don't always ‎have our best interests at heart. 1333 01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:33,859 ‎-Probably not. ‎-Yeah. 1334 01:08:33,943 --> 01:08:35,486 ‎-Does McCarthy? ‎-Well... 1335 01:08:36,737 --> 01:08:38,614 ‎The argument could be made... 1336 01:08:39,657 --> 01:08:41,492 ‎it's for the greater good. 1337 01:08:42,409 --> 01:08:45,746 ‎-That's one argument. ‎-Like Alger Hiss... was. 1338 01:08:45,830 --> 01:08:47,581 ‎Alger Hiss had a trial. 1339 01:08:47,665 --> 01:08:50,626 ‎[chuckles] Alger Hiss faced his accusers. 1340 01:08:51,502 --> 01:08:53,129 ‎-He went to jail. ‎-That's right. 1341 01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:55,548 ‎That's how this works. 1342 01:09:00,553 --> 01:09:02,555 ‎So, we're not gonna look back and... 1343 01:09:03,514 --> 01:09:05,766 ‎say we protected the wrong side? 1344 01:09:07,434 --> 01:09:09,520 ‎-You're right, Joe. ‎-Yeah? 1345 01:09:11,897 --> 01:09:14,942 ‎-I want a divorce. ‎- 1346 01:09:15,025 --> 01:09:16,819 ‎Yeah, wouldn't blame you. 1347 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,072 ‎When did you start smoking? 1348 01:09:21,365 --> 01:09:23,409 ‎-Fifteen minutes ago. ‎- 1349 01:09:25,911 --> 01:09:27,204 ‎Good evening. 1350 01:09:27,288 --> 01:09:29,498 ‎Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared 1351 01:09:29,582 --> 01:09:32,251 ‎on this program to correct ‎any errors he might have thought 1352 01:09:32,334 --> 01:09:34,795 ‎we made in our report of March 9th. 1353 01:09:34,879 --> 01:09:37,923 ‎Since he made no reference ‎to any statements of fact, 1354 01:09:38,007 --> 01:09:39,466 ‎we must conclude that he found 1355 01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,677 ‎no errors of fact. 1356 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:46,515 ‎He proved, once again, that anyone ‎who exposes him, anyone who does not share 1357 01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:49,852 ‎his hysterical disregard ‎to decency and human dignity 1358 01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:52,104 ‎and the rights guaranteed ‎in the Constitution 1359 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:55,691 ‎must be either a Communist ‎or a fellow traveler. 1360 01:09:55,774 --> 01:09:58,027 ‎I fully expected this treatment. 1361 01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:59,695 ‎The senator added this reporter's name 1362 01:09:59,778 --> 01:10:02,865 ‎to a long list of individuals ‎and institutions 1363 01:10:02,948 --> 01:10:05,784 ‎that he has accused of serving ‎the Communist cause. 1364 01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:07,995 ‎His proposition is a very simple one. 1365 01:10:08,078 --> 01:10:11,540 ‎Anyone who criticizes ‎or opposes McCarthy's methods 1366 01:10:11,624 --> 01:10:14,335 ‎must be a Communist. And if that be true, 1367 01:10:14,418 --> 01:10:17,171 ‎there are an awful lot ‎of Communists in this country. 1368 01:10:17,254 --> 01:10:21,258 ‎For the record, let us consider briefly ‎some of the senator's charges. 1369 01:10:21,342 --> 01:10:23,219 ‎He claimed, but offered no proof, 1370 01:10:23,302 --> 01:10:25,596 ‎that I was a member of the ‎Industrial Workers of the World. 1371 01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:29,058 ‎That is false. ‎I never was a member of the IWW. 1372 01:10:29,141 --> 01:10:30,976 ‎Never applied for membership. 1373 01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:33,395 ‎The senator charged ‎that Professor Harold Laski, 1374 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,482 ‎a British scholar and politician, ‎dedicated a book to me. 1375 01:10:36,565 --> 01:10:40,611 ‎That is true. He is dead. ‎He was a socialist. I am not. 1376 01:10:40,694 --> 01:10:42,988 ‎He was one of those civilized individuals 1377 01:10:43,072 --> 01:10:45,741 ‎who didn't insist upon agreement ‎with political principles 1378 01:10:45,824 --> 01:10:48,827 ‎as a precondition ‎for friendship or conversation. 1379 01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:51,413 ‎I don't agree with his political ideas. 1380 01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:53,874 ‎Laski, as he makes clear ‎in the introduction, 1381 01:10:53,958 --> 01:10:57,002 ‎dedicated the book to me ‎not because of political agreement, 1382 01:10:57,086 --> 01:10:59,296 ‎but because he held my wartime broadcasts 1383 01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:03,550 ‎from London in high regard, ‎and the dedication so reads. 1384 01:11:03,634 --> 01:11:06,095 ‎I believed 20 years ago, ‎and I believe today, 1385 01:11:06,178 --> 01:11:08,555 ‎that mature Americans ‎can engage in conversation, 1386 01:11:08,639 --> 01:11:11,475 ‎controversy, a clash of ideas ‎with Communists anywhere 1387 01:11:11,558 --> 01:11:14,645 ‎in the world without becoming ‎contaminated or converted. 1388 01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:16,438 {\an8}‎I believe that our faith, our conviction, 1389 01:11:16,522 --> 01:11:18,816 {\an8}‎our determination ‎are stronger than theirs, 1390 01:11:18,899 --> 01:11:21,110 {\an8}‎and that we can compete, and successfully, 1391 01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:25,948 {\an8}‎not only in the area of bombs, ‎but in the area of ideas. 1392 01:11:26,031 --> 01:11:29,410 {\an8}‎I have worked for CBS for 19 years. 1393 01:11:29,493 --> 01:11:32,871 {\an8}‎The company has subscribed fully ‎to my integrity 1394 01:11:32,955 --> 01:11:36,875 {\an8}‎as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1395 01:11:36,959 --> 01:11:40,045 {\an8}‎I require no lectures ‎from the junior senator from Wisconsin. 1396 01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:43,674 {\an8}‎Having searched ‎my conscience and my files, 1397 01:11:43,757 --> 01:11:46,385 {\an8}‎I cannot contend that I have ‎always been right or wise. 1398 01:11:46,468 --> 01:11:48,095 {\an8}‎But I have attempted to pursue the truth 1399 01:11:48,178 --> 01:11:51,265 {\an8}‎with some diligence ‎and to report it, even though, 1400 01:11:51,348 --> 01:11:53,726 {\an8}‎as in this case, ‎I had been warned in advance 1401 01:11:53,809 --> 01:11:55,477 {\an8}‎that I would be subjected ‎to the attentions 1402 01:11:55,561 --> 01:11:57,438 {\an8}‎of Senator McCarthy. 1403 01:11:57,521 --> 01:11:58,897 {\an8}‎We should hope to deal with matters 1404 01:11:58,981 --> 01:12:01,108 {\an8}‎of more vital interest ‎to the country next week. 1405 01:12:01,191 --> 01:12:02,860 {\an8}‎Good night, and good luck. 1406 01:12:02,943 --> 01:12:06,405 {\an8}‎ 1407 01:12:07,781 --> 01:12:09,533 ‎And we're out. 1408 01:12:13,203 --> 01:12:15,247 ‎- ‎-[singer] ‎♪ Use new White Rain ♪ 1409 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:17,041 ‎♪ Shampoo tonight ♪ 1410 01:12:17,124 --> 01:12:20,461 ‎♪ And tomorrow your hair ‎Will be sunshine bright ♪ 1411 01:12:20,544 --> 01:12:24,631 ‎- ‎-♪ Sun, rain, sun, rain ♪ 1412 01:12:26,175 --> 01:12:27,843 ‎Good morning. 1413 01:12:27,926 --> 01:12:29,219 ‎[Ella] How are you feeling? 1414 01:12:29,303 --> 01:12:31,597 ‎How am I... [laughs] How are you feeling? 1415 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,390 ‎What time did you leave last night? 1416 01:12:33,474 --> 01:12:35,017 ‎[Imani] She didn't leave last night. 1417 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,394 ‎I didn't leave this morning. 1418 01:12:37,478 --> 01:12:40,314 ‎- Uh, it's just this today. ‎-Oh, just this. 1419 01:12:40,397 --> 01:12:41,648 ‎Yes, ma'am. 1420 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,154 ‎♪ Somewhere there's music ♪ 1421 01:12:47,237 --> 01:12:49,615 ‎♪ How faint the tune ♪ 1422 01:12:49,698 --> 01:12:55,120 ‎♪ Somewhere there's heaven ‎How high the moon ♪ 1423 01:12:55,204 --> 01:12:56,413 ‎- ‎-Uh... 1424 01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:58,540 ‎Uh, what time are we going till today? 1425 01:12:58,624 --> 01:13:01,960 ‎Oh, uh... I'll get back ‎to you in a minute. 1426 01:13:02,044 --> 01:13:03,962 ‎[scoffs] We'll be here. 1427 01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:08,258 ‎"In the last analysis, ‎the senator was perched 1428 01:13:08,342 --> 01:13:10,969 ‎on the television high dive ‎and all prepared 1429 01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:12,930 ‎to make a resounding splash. 1430 01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:16,683 ‎He jumped beautifully, ‎but neglected to che... 1431 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,812 ‎...to check first ‎where he was going to land." 1432 01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:21,438 ‎"It must have been something 1433 01:13:21,522 --> 01:13:26,193 ‎of a shock to discover that Mr. Murrow ‎had drained the water out of the pool." 1434 01:13:26,276 --> 01:13:27,569 1435 01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:28,987 ‎-[Charlie] Jack Gould. ‎-[Joe] ‎The Times. 1436 01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:30,489 ‎Yeah, ‎The Times. 1437 01:13:30,572 --> 01:13:33,409 ‎[Joe] He's a... hell of a writer. 1438 01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:34,910 ‎We should hire him away from ‎The Times. 1439 01:13:34,993 --> 01:13:37,955 ‎Yeah. Well, uh, CBS has got ‎a public opinion survey here 1440 01:13:38,038 --> 01:13:40,916 ‎that, uh, Elmo Roper put together. 1441 01:13:40,999 --> 01:13:42,042 ‎-Uh-oh. ‎-Says, 1442 01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:46,839 ‎"Thirty-three percent of all households ‎believe McCarthy proved you're a Commie..." 1443 01:13:46,922 --> 01:13:48,757 ‎[Palmer] Only 33 percent? 1444 01:13:48,841 --> 01:13:50,968 ‎Listen, listen, listen. 1445 01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:55,639 ‎The Senate is investigating McCarthy. 1446 01:13:55,722 --> 01:13:57,558 1447 01:13:57,641 --> 01:13:59,601 1448 01:14:09,778 --> 01:14:12,156 ‎Oh, oh, you'll be all right, Palmer. 1449 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,032 ‎-You'll be all right. ‎-Palmer! 1450 01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:18,203 ‎Fritz, did you hear? 1451 01:14:18,287 --> 01:14:20,080 ‎The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1452 01:14:20,164 --> 01:14:22,332 ‎We're a hit. ‎We're up there with Howdy Doody. 1453 01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:23,500 ‎[Fred] Hold on, Ed. 1454 01:14:25,294 --> 01:14:31,341 ‎[Ella] ‎♪ Somewhere there's music ♪ 1455 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:36,847 ‎♪ How faint the tune ♪ 1456 01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:42,895 ‎♪ Somewhere there's heaven ♪ 1457 01:14:42,978 --> 01:14:49,318 ‎♪ How high the moon ♪ 1458 01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:56,617 ‎♪ There is no moon ♪ 1459 01:14:56,700 --> 01:14:58,744 ‎♪ Above ♪ 1460 01:14:58,827 --> 01:15:00,662 ‎♪ When love ♪ 1461 01:15:00,746 --> 01:15:06,335 ‎♪ Is far away too ♪ 1462 01:15:08,462 --> 01:15:14,551 ‎♪ Until it comes true ♪ 1463 01:15:15,928 --> 01:15:20,307 ‎♪ That you love me ♪ 1464 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:26,480 ‎♪ As I love you ♪ 1465 01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:30,734 ‎One of the best programs I ever heard 1466 01:15:30,817 --> 01:15:33,278 ‎was called ‎CBS Views the Press. 1467 01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:35,822 {\an8}‎A great many people liked it, some didn't. 1468 01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:38,033 {\an8}‎But no one would say ‎it was anything but honest. 1469 01:15:38,116 --> 01:15:40,827 {\an8}‎It was the work of an honest ‎reporter, Don Hollenbeck. 1470 01:15:40,911 --> 01:15:43,539 {\an8}‎He also worked occasionally on‎ See It Now. 1471 01:15:43,622 --> 01:15:46,959 {\an8}‎He did the 11:00 p.m. news ‎over some of these stations. 1472 01:15:47,042 --> 01:15:50,212 {\an8}‎He'd been sick lately, ‎and he died this morning. 1473 01:15:50,295 --> 01:15:52,965 {\an8}‎The police said it was suicide. 1474 01:15:53,048 --> 01:15:54,299 {\an8}‎Gas. 1475 01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:56,510 {\an8}‎Not much of an obit... 1476 01:15:57,344 --> 01:15:59,680 {\an8}‎but at least we got our facts straight, ‎and it was brief. 1477 01:16:00,430 --> 01:16:02,391 {\an8}‎That's all Don Hollenbeck ‎would have asked. 1478 01:16:03,809 --> 01:16:06,186 {\an8}‎Good night... and good luck. 1479 01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:17,531 {\an8}‎[Ella] ‎♪ Until you will ♪ 1480 01:16:17,614 --> 01:16:20,909 {\an8}‎♪ How still my heart ♪ 1481 01:16:21,493 --> 01:16:27,457 ‎♪ How high the moon ♪ 1482 01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:43,682 1483 01:16:48,145 --> 01:16:49,521 ‎Son of a bitch. 1484 01:17:19,217 --> 01:17:20,594 1485 01:17:26,558 --> 01:17:28,018 ‎[John clears throat] Here. 1486 01:17:29,728 --> 01:17:30,812 ‎See It Now. 1487 01:17:32,272 --> 01:17:35,525 ‎Uh, yeah. Circulate that memo to 41. 1488 01:17:35,609 --> 01:17:39,154 ‎Yeah. Circulate to Stanton. ‎Circulate to Sig. 1489 01:17:39,237 --> 01:17:41,406 {\an8}‎Um, everybody gets that memo. Got it? 1490 01:17:43,575 --> 01:17:45,619 {\an8}‎Yes. Well, Sunday, 4:30. 1491 01:17:47,454 --> 01:17:48,955 {\an8}‎Yes. 4:30, Sunday. Yes. 1492 01:17:49,873 --> 01:17:51,708 ‎[John] All right. 1493 01:17:51,792 --> 01:17:55,295 ‎[John] Yep. Okay. Thanks. Yep. Thank you. 1494 01:18:01,009 --> 01:18:02,803 ‎Joe. Shirley. 1495 01:18:03,637 --> 01:18:07,557 ‎Can I talk to you both? ‎Let's use the editing room. 1496 01:18:11,603 --> 01:18:13,814 ‎Millie, could you excuse us for a minute? 1497 01:18:23,615 --> 01:18:24,825 ‎Shirley... 1498 01:18:26,743 --> 01:18:28,412 ‎-how are you? ‎- 1499 01:18:29,663 --> 01:18:31,164 ‎Fine, Fred. 1500 01:18:36,253 --> 01:18:37,963 ‎Is there a... Is there a problem, Fred? 1501 01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:40,757 ‎I wanna ask you both ‎a question... 1502 01:18:40,841 --> 01:18:42,426 ‎...but I don't want you to answer it. 1503 01:18:43,844 --> 01:18:45,303 ‎Just consider it. 1504 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,306 ‎I know you two are married. 1505 01:18:51,268 --> 01:18:53,478 ‎Everyone knows. That's not my question. 1506 01:18:53,562 --> 01:18:55,856 1507 01:18:55,939 --> 01:18:57,607 ‎In the next few weeks... 1508 01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:00,944 ‎I have to lay a couple of people off. 1509 01:19:02,446 --> 01:19:07,117 ‎We're making some significant ‎cuts across the board. 1510 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,327 ‎I... I wanted you to know that because, uh... 1511 01:19:10,704 --> 01:19:12,914 ‎if you have any intention ‎in the near future 1512 01:19:12,998 --> 01:19:14,791 ‎of starting a family... 1513 01:19:16,084 --> 01:19:19,963 ‎I would say to you that you could save ‎someone else from being fired. 1514 01:19:22,090 --> 01:19:23,884 ‎I'm... 1515 01:19:23,967 --> 01:19:28,054 ‎asking you to consider making ‎this decision a little easier. 1516 01:19:30,724 --> 01:19:31,850 1517 01:19:33,351 --> 01:19:36,813 ‎I don't need an answer now. ‎Just think about it. 1518 01:19:49,242 --> 01:19:50,243 ‎Well... 1519 01:19:53,622 --> 01:19:54,915 ‎Mrs. Wershba... 1520 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:56,792 1521 01:19:57,667 --> 01:19:59,878 ‎We're really going to miss you ‎around here, Joe. 1522 01:19:59,961 --> 01:20:03,256 1523 01:20:12,474 --> 01:20:14,643 ‎-Everybody knew. ‎- 1524 01:20:16,353 --> 01:20:20,774 ‎[Bill] Yeah. The problem ‎isn't simply that you lost your sponsor. 1525 01:20:20,857 --> 01:20:22,859 ‎Even with ALCOA, ‎See It Now‎ still loses money. 1526 01:20:22,943 --> 01:20:23,985 ‎The fee is $50,000. 1527 01:20:24,069 --> 01:20:25,612 ‎Last week's show ‎we did for less than the fee. 1528 01:20:25,695 --> 01:20:27,155 ‎We'll find another sponsor. 1529 01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:31,910 ‎$64,000 Question‎ brings in ‎over 80,000 in sponsors, 1530 01:20:31,993 --> 01:20:34,329 ‎and it costs a third of what you do. 1531 01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:37,123 ‎Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming. 1532 01:20:37,207 --> 01:20:38,834 ‎It's number one. 1533 01:20:38,917 --> 01:20:41,753 ‎Because people just want ‎to enjoy themselves. 1534 01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:43,797 ‎They don't want a civics lecture. 1535 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,966 ‎-Well, what do you want, Bill? ‎-Well, I don't want 1536 01:20:46,049 --> 01:20:49,594 ‎a constant stomachache ‎every time you take on a... 1537 01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:51,513 ‎controversial subject. 1538 01:20:51,596 --> 01:20:53,765 ‎That's a price you have ‎to be willing to pay. 1539 01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:54,933 ‎Careful, Ed. 1540 01:20:56,226 --> 01:20:59,896 ‎Let's walk very carefully ‎through these next few moments. 1541 01:21:03,066 --> 01:21:05,235 ‎The content of what we're doing ‎is more important 1542 01:21:05,318 --> 01:21:07,195 ‎than what some sponsor ‎in Cincinnati, Ohio thinks. 1543 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,697 ‎No, no. What you're doing. 1544 01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:10,532 ‎Not me, not CBS. You. 1545 01:21:10,615 --> 01:21:12,784 ‎CBS News, ‎See It Now, ‎they all belong to you. 1546 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:15,871 ‎-Well, you wouldn't know it. ‎-Is it credit that you want? 1547 01:21:15,954 --> 01:21:18,957 ‎I never censored a single program. 1548 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,209 ‎-Oh, my... ‎-I've kept our affiliates 1549 01:21:21,293 --> 01:21:23,336 ‎who just wanted entertainment from us. 1550 01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:26,381 ‎And I fought to keep our license 1551 01:21:26,464 --> 01:21:29,175 ‎with the same politicians ‎you were working to bring down. 1552 01:21:29,259 --> 01:21:31,386 ‎And I never said no to you. 1553 01:21:31,469 --> 01:21:32,804 ‎-Not once. ‎-I would argue that we have 1554 01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,306 ‎-done well by one another. ‎-[Bill] Never! 1555 01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:36,433 ‎I would argue that this network is defined 1556 01:21:36,516 --> 01:21:38,727 ‎by what the news department ‎has accomplished. 1557 01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:40,645 ‎I would also argue not saying "no" 1558 01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:43,356 ‎is not the same as not censoring. 1559 01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:45,233 ‎Really? 1560 01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:48,737 ‎You should teach journalism. 1561 01:21:49,863 --> 01:21:51,197 {\an8}‎No, let me ask you this. 1562 01:21:51,281 --> 01:21:53,658 {\an8}‎Why is it that you always refer to him 1563 01:21:53,742 --> 01:21:55,619 {\an8}‎as the junior senator from Wisconsin? 1564 01:21:55,702 --> 01:21:57,746 {\an8}‎Because he's the junior senator ‎from Wisconsin. 1565 01:21:57,829 --> 01:21:59,164 {\an8}‎ 1566 01:22:00,582 --> 01:22:01,625 ‎Not likely. 1567 01:22:02,667 --> 01:22:07,380 ‎You taunt him, Ed, like a cat ‎with a ball of string. 1568 01:22:08,298 --> 01:22:10,759 ‎But now, you see, you've opened the door. 1569 01:22:10,842 --> 01:22:13,762 ‎News with a dash of commentary. 1570 01:22:15,013 --> 01:22:20,018 ‎What happens when it isn't ‎Edward R. Murrow minding the store? 1571 01:22:22,312 --> 01:22:23,897 ‎[sighs] I... 1572 01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:26,316 ‎What do you wanna do, Bill? 1573 01:22:27,651 --> 01:22:31,446 ‎[sighs] I'm gonna take your show ‎from half an hour to an hour. 1574 01:22:32,489 --> 01:22:36,618 ‎But it won't be a weekly program ‎and it won't be on Tuesday night. 1575 01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:38,787 ‎-When would it be? ‎-Sunday... 1576 01:22:39,996 --> 01:22:41,039 ‎afternoon. 1577 01:22:43,708 --> 01:22:45,043 ‎How many episodes? 1578 01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:46,878 ‎Five. 1579 01:22:50,757 --> 01:22:53,426 ‎[scoffs] Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1580 01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:54,469 1581 01:22:54,552 --> 01:22:57,973 ‎Well, Ed, I don't think ‎it's what either of us wants. 1582 01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:02,060 ‎You owe me five shows. 1583 01:23:04,646 --> 01:23:06,523 ‎You won't like the subject matter. 1584 01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:08,566 ‎No, probably not. 1585 01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:10,527 1586 01:23:17,075 --> 01:23:20,078 ‎[Fred] He wants me ‎to lay a few people off. 1587 01:23:20,161 --> 01:23:21,162 ‎Hmm. 1588 01:23:22,831 --> 01:23:23,999 ‎I'm sure. 1589 01:23:24,708 --> 01:23:28,586 ‎Let's do the next show ‎about the downfall of television. 1590 01:23:28,670 --> 01:23:30,630 1591 01:23:30,714 --> 01:23:34,092 ‎So, if the Senate votes ‎to censure McCarthy, 1592 01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:36,302 ‎-what happens then? ‎- 1593 01:23:36,386 --> 01:23:38,638 ‎He sits in the back row. 1594 01:23:38,722 --> 01:23:41,391 ‎-But they don't kick him out? ‎-No, he stays. 1595 01:23:41,474 --> 01:23:44,894 ‎He'll just... just lose all of his power. 1596 01:23:44,978 --> 01:23:46,771 ‎He's already lost all of his power. 1597 01:23:46,855 --> 01:23:48,982 ‎[chuckles] Right. 1598 01:23:49,774 --> 01:23:51,443 ‎Now, they just teach him a lesson. 1599 01:23:51,526 --> 01:23:52,610 ‎Yeah. 1600 01:23:55,989 --> 01:23:59,659 ‎They're moving ‎See It Now ‎to Sunday afternoons. 1601 01:24:02,829 --> 01:24:03,872 ‎Uh-oh. 1602 01:24:03,955 --> 01:24:06,041 1603 01:24:06,124 --> 01:24:08,209 ‎-How many episodes? ‎-Five. 1604 01:24:09,961 --> 01:24:11,671 1605 01:24:11,755 --> 01:24:13,548 ‎[smacks lips] Well... 1606 01:24:14,799 --> 01:24:17,218 ‎might as well go down swinging. 1607 01:24:17,969 --> 01:24:20,638 ‎We'll do the story ‎about the migrant farm workers. 1608 01:24:20,722 --> 01:24:22,682 ‎-Make a couple of enemies. ‎- 1609 01:24:23,475 --> 01:24:26,311 ‎The most trusted man ‎in America is Milton Berle. 1610 01:24:26,394 --> 01:24:27,687 1611 01:24:27,771 --> 01:24:30,774 ‎See? Maybe you should have worn a dress. 1612 01:24:30,857 --> 01:24:32,817 ‎-Hmm. ‎- 1613 01:24:32,901 --> 01:24:34,819 ‎My legs are too skinny. 1614 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:38,114 ‎-Feel like a scotch? ‎-Scotch is good. 1615 01:24:38,198 --> 01:24:40,784 ‎Did you know that Joe ‎and Shirley were married? 1616 01:24:40,867 --> 01:24:42,035 ‎Sure. 1617 01:24:43,244 --> 01:24:44,829 ‎Did everyone know? 1618 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:47,832 ‎-Pretty much. ‎- 1619 01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:49,042 ‎Oh, it's nothing. 1620 01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:51,002 ‎I meant to do you no personal injury. 1621 01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:53,338 ‎-[Cohn] ‎No? ‎-And if I did, 1622 01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:55,215 ‎I beg your pardon. 1623 01:24:55,298 --> 01:24:58,718 ‎Let us not assassinate ‎this lad further, Senator. 1624 01:24:58,802 --> 01:25:00,929 ‎-[McCarthy] ‎Let's... Let's... ‎-You've done enough. 1625 01:25:01,012 --> 01:25:06,309 ‎Have you no sense of decency, ‎sir, at long last? 1626 01:25:06,392 --> 01:25:10,230 ‎Have you left no sense of decency? 1627 01:25:10,313 --> 01:25:11,773 ‎[McCarthy] ‎I know this hurts you, ‎Mr. Welch. 1628 01:25:11,856 --> 01:25:12,857 ‎I'll get the scotch. 1629 01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:14,109 ‎[Mr. Welch] ‎I'll say it hurts. 1630 01:25:14,192 --> 01:25:16,444 ‎[McCarthy] ‎If I may say, Mr. Chairman, ‎as a point of personal privilege, 1631 01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:17,529 ‎I'd like to finish this. 1632 01:25:17,612 --> 01:25:19,405 ‎[Mr. Welch] ‎Senator, ‎I think it hurts you too, sir. 1633 01:25:19,489 --> 01:25:20,907 ‎[McCarthy] ‎I'd like to finish this. 1634 01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:24,869 ‎Mr. McCarthy, I will not ‎discuss this further with you. 1635 01:25:24,953 --> 01:25:28,581 ‎You have sat within six feet ‎of me and could have... 1636 01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:31,376 ‎and could have asked me about Fred Fisher. 1637 01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:33,795 ‎You have seen fit to bring it out, 1638 01:25:33,878 --> 01:25:38,466 ‎and if there is a God in ‎heaven, it will do neither you 1639 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:40,593 ‎nor your cause any good. 1640 01:25:40,677 --> 01:25:43,388 ‎I will not discuss it further. 1641 01:25:43,471 --> 01:25:46,766 ‎I will not ask, Mr. Cohn, ‎any more witnesses. 1642 01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:51,271 ‎You, Mr. Chairman, may, if you will, ‎call the next witness. 1643 01:25:54,357 --> 01:25:57,277 ‎[chairman] ‎Are there any questions to come ‎from the members of the chair? 1644 01:26:03,491 --> 01:26:08,997 ‎I begin by saying our history will be ‎what we make of it. 1645 01:26:09,747 --> 01:26:13,585 ‎If we go on as we are, ‎then history will take its revenge 1646 01:26:13,668 --> 01:26:16,713 ‎and retribution will not limp ‎in catching up with us. 1647 01:26:17,755 --> 01:26:19,966 ‎Just once in a while ‎let us exalt the importance 1648 01:26:20,049 --> 01:26:21,926 ‎of ideas and information. 1649 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,471 ‎Let us dream to the extent of saying 1650 01:26:25,555 --> 01:26:28,349 ‎that on a given Sunday night, ‎the time normally used 1651 01:26:28,433 --> 01:26:31,978 ‎by Ed Sullivan, is given ‎over to a clinical survey 1652 01:26:32,061 --> 01:26:34,981 ‎on the state of American education. 1653 01:26:35,815 --> 01:26:37,817 ‎And a week or two later, ‎the time normally used 1654 01:26:37,901 --> 01:26:40,195 ‎by Steve Allen 1655 01:26:40,278 --> 01:26:44,407 ‎is devoted to a thoroughgoing study ‎of American policies in the Middle East. 1656 01:26:45,742 --> 01:26:49,454 ‎Would the corporate image ‎of their respective sponsor be damaged? 1657 01:26:49,537 --> 01:26:54,250 ‎Would the stockholders rise up ‎in their wrath and complain? 1658 01:26:54,334 --> 01:26:56,753 ‎Would anything happen ‎other than a few million people 1659 01:26:56,836 --> 01:26:59,172 ‎would have received a little ‎illumination on subjects 1660 01:26:59,255 --> 01:27:01,966 ‎that may well determine ‎the future of this country? 1661 01:27:03,801 --> 01:27:07,430 ‎To those who say people wouldn't look, ‎they wouldn't be interested, 1662 01:27:07,513 --> 01:27:10,475 ‎they're too complacent, indifferent... 1663 01:27:11,517 --> 01:27:12,477 ‎insulated, 1664 01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:15,355 ‎I can only reply there is... 1665 01:27:16,481 --> 01:27:17,815 ‎in one reporter's opinion, 1666 01:27:17,899 --> 01:27:20,026 ‎considerable evidence ‎against that contention. 1667 01:27:20,109 --> 01:27:23,738 ‎But even if they are right... ‎what have they got to lose? 1668 01:27:24,781 --> 01:27:27,116 ‎Because, if they are right ‎and these instruments are good 1669 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,620 ‎for nothing but to entertain, ‎and amuse, and insulate... 1670 01:27:31,537 --> 01:27:34,582 ‎then the tube is flickering now... 1671 01:27:34,666 --> 01:27:37,877 ‎and we will soon see ‎that the whole struggle is lost. 1672 01:27:37,961 --> 01:27:41,214 ‎- ‎- 1673 01:27:42,966 --> 01:27:45,718 ‎[instructor] ‎One, two, three, ‎a change, a one, two, three... 1674 01:27:45,802 --> 01:27:47,804 ‎Ladies and gentlemen, ‎here he is, Fats Domino. 1675 01:27:47,887 --> 01:27:49,264 ‎Good evening, I'm Mike Wallace. 1676 01:27:49,347 --> 01:27:53,017 {\an8}‎This is a program of fact, ‎news, information, and observation. 1677 01:27:53,101 --> 01:27:55,478 ‎-Thank you very much. ‎-[MLK Jr.] ‎Now is the time 1678 01:27:55,561 --> 01:27:57,772 ‎to make real the promises of democracy. 1679 01:27:57,855 --> 01:27:59,899 ‎Our goal is not the victory of might... 1680 01:27:59,983 --> 01:28:01,025 ‎[Cronkite] ‎From Dallas, Texas... 1681 01:28:01,109 --> 01:28:02,402 ‎...but the vindication of right... 1682 01:28:02,485 --> 01:28:04,529 ‎[Cronkite] ‎...the flash, ‎apparently official, 1683 01:28:04,612 --> 01:28:07,699 ‎President Kennedy died at 1:00 p.m... 1684 01:28:07,782 --> 01:28:12,245 ‎[Armstrong] ‎One small step for man, ‎one giant leap... 1685 01:28:12,328 --> 01:28:15,206 ‎Sock it to me, sock it to me, ‎sock it to me, sock it to me? 1686 01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:17,292 ‎Ladies and gentlemen, ‎the Beatles. Bring them on. 1687 01:28:17,375 --> 01:28:20,586 ‎[reporter] ‎What happened here ‎at Kent State University defined a name. 1688 01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:22,463 ‎Your president's a crook. ‎Well, I'm not a crook. 1689 01:28:22,547 --> 01:28:24,632 ‎[announcer] ‎The space shuttle‎ Challenger ‎has exploded. 1690 01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:27,468 ‎Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! 1691 01:28:27,552 --> 01:28:30,471 {\an8}‎It doesn't fit. If it ‎doesn't fit, you must acquit. 1692 01:28:30,555 --> 01:28:31,723 {\an8}‎They're supposed to be ‎married in three weeks. 1693 01:28:31,806 --> 01:28:34,142 {\an8}‎-What are you doing? ‎- 1694 01:28:34,225 --> 01:28:37,270 {\an8}‎-You are not the father. ‎-Yeah! 1695 01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:38,563 {\an8}‎Weapons of mass destruction... 1696 01:28:38,646 --> 01:28:40,273 {\an8}‎Didn't the media get rolled ‎by the Bush administration? 1697 01:28:40,356 --> 01:28:42,150 {\an8}‎We got him. We got him. We got him. 1698 01:28:42,233 --> 01:28:44,944 {\an8}‎[reporter] ‎Look at New York City. ‎This is at the World Trade Center. 1699 01:28:45,028 --> 01:28:46,237 {\an8}‎[reporter 2] ‎A big explosion ‎has just occurred. 1700 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:47,989 {\an8}‎What exactly happened on 9/11? 1701 01:28:48,072 --> 01:28:50,408 {\an8}‎Conspiracy theories continue ‎to saturate the internet. 1702 01:28:50,491 --> 01:28:51,576 {\an8}‎Terrorist fist jab... 1703 01:28:51,659 --> 01:28:52,827 {\an8}‎He was wearing this tan suit... 1704 01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:53,911 {\an8}‎For all you kids watching at home, 1705 01:28:53,995 --> 01:28:56,164 {\an8}‎-Santa just is white. ‎-The big lie. 1706 01:28:56,247 --> 01:28:58,666 {\an8}‎-‎...on Dominion Voting... ‎-‎...company is called Dominion... 1707 01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:01,544 {\an8}‎Another in a series of stolen elections... 1708 01:29:01,627 --> 01:29:03,379 {\an8}‎President Biden has a photographic memory... 1709 01:29:03,463 --> 01:29:05,840 {\an8}‎-He's totally focused. ‎-He's very sharp at meetings. 1710 01:29:05,923 --> 01:29:07,550 {\an8}‎-Forget about the evidence. ‎-Alternative facts to that... 1711 01:29:07,633 --> 01:29:11,637 {\an8}‎FBI operatives were organizing ‎the attack on the... 1712 01:29:11,721 --> 01:29:14,891 {\an8}‎The FBI had 26 of their people ‎on the inside. 1713 01:29:14,974 --> 01:29:17,685 {\an8}‎-...false flag operation... ‎-Obtain millions of dollars 1714 01:29:17,769 --> 01:29:20,355 {\an8}‎and apologizing to the president-elect... 1715 01:29:20,438 --> 01:29:27,153 {\an8}‎- ‎- 1716 01:29:43,711 --> 01:29:46,923 ‎Please raise your right hand ‎and repeat after me. 1717 01:29:47,006 --> 01:29:48,674 1718 01:29:48,758 --> 01:29:51,886 1719 01:30:05,191 --> 01:30:07,527 1720 01:30:20,456 --> 01:30:21,874 ‎These instruments... 1721 01:30:22,583 --> 01:30:23,835 ‎can teach, 1722 01:30:24,502 --> 01:30:26,045 ‎they can illuminate, 1723 01:30:26,963 --> 01:30:29,006 ‎they can even inspire. 1724 01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:33,469 ‎But they can do so only ‎to the extent that humans 1725 01:30:33,553 --> 01:30:36,222 ‎are determined to use them to those ends. 1726 01:30:36,305 --> 01:30:38,099 ‎Otherwise... 1727 01:30:38,182 --> 01:30:40,059 ‎they're merely wires and lights in a box. 1728 01:30:42,353 --> 01:30:43,688 ‎There is a great... 1729 01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:48,234 ‎and perhaps decisive battle to be fought, 1730 01:30:49,902 --> 01:30:51,696 ‎against ignorance, 1731 01:30:52,446 --> 01:30:53,906 ‎intolerance, 1732 01:30:55,116 --> 01:30:56,409 ‎indifference. 1733 01:30:59,203 --> 01:31:02,165 ‎It's a fight for the very soul ‎of this Republic. 1734 01:31:04,458 --> 01:31:06,627 ‎And so the question is a very simple one. 1735 01:31:08,004 --> 01:31:13,092 ‎Not what power unchecked can do. ‎We have seen that answer. 1736 01:31:14,260 --> 01:31:15,344 ‎No. 1737 01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:18,681 ‎The question is... 1738 01:31:20,391 --> 01:31:22,560 ‎what are you prepared to do? 1739 01:31:49,754 --> 01:31:51,547 ‎The fault, dear Brutus... 1740 01:32:01,182 --> 01:32:02,850 ‎Good night, 1741 01:32:02,934 --> 01:32:04,101 ‎and good luck. 1742 01:32:05,311 --> 01:32:08,481 1743 01:32:45,017 --> 01:32:48,938 1744 01:32:52,775 --> 01:32:56,362 ‎♪ Let's take a boat to Bermuda ♪ 1745 01:32:56,445 --> 01:32:59,949 ‎♪ Let's take a plane to Saint Paul ♪ 1746 01:33:00,032 --> 01:33:03,953 ‎♪ Let's grab a kayak to Quincy Or Nyack ♪ 1747 01:33:04,036 --> 01:33:07,164 ‎♪ Let's get away from it all ♪ 1748 01:33:07,248 --> 01:33:10,668 ‎♪ Let's take a trip in a trailer ♪ 1749 01:33:10,751 --> 01:33:14,380 {\an8}‎♪ No need to come back at all ♪ 1750 01:33:14,463 --> 01:33:18,342 ‎♪ Let's take a powder ‎To Boston for chowder ♪ 1751 01:33:18,426 --> 01:33:21,304 ‎♪ Let's get away from it all ♪ 1752 01:33:21,387 --> 01:33:25,182 ‎♪ We'll travel 'round from town to town ♪ 1753 01:33:25,266 --> 01:33:28,227 ‎♪ We'll visit every state ♪ 1754 01:33:29,603 --> 01:33:32,481 ‎♪ I'll repeat that I love you sweet! ♪ 1755 01:33:32,565 --> 01:33:35,776 ‎♪ In all the forty-eight ♪ 1756 01:33:36,902 --> 01:33:40,114 ‎♪ Let's take a boat to Bermuda ♪ 1757 01:33:40,197 --> 01:33:43,951 ‎♪ This time we'll keep dig the Fall ♪ 1758 01:33:44,035 --> 01:33:47,747 ‎-♪ Let's leave our hut, dear ♪ ‎-♪ Get out of our rut, dear ♪ 1759 01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:51,292 ‎♪ Let's get away, love ‎♪ 1760 01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:54,962 ♪ ‎Let's fly away, love ♪ 1761 01:33:55,046 --> 01:34:00,885 ‎♪ Let's get away from it all ♪ 1762 01:34:17,693 --> 01:34:19,028 1763 01:34:19,111 --> 01:34:20,237 184895

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