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UFOs with extraordinary capabilities are present in our skies,

according to a team of former US Government insiders.

This program features military eyewitnesses

describing these unidentified craft for the first time.

Tonight, on Unidentified:

Oh my gosh, dude!

There's a whole fleet of them.

I'll never forget those voices.

You know those voices? I know those guys, yeah.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes,

I don't know if I would've believed it either.

It was basically a sphere with a cube inside.

So now, these objects have a global presence.

That thing is hauling ass.

Exactly my point.

The Pentagon has confirmed the existence

of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

that studied UFOs and they released video.

They're going against the wind.

My gosh!

For eight years,

Lue Elizondo ran a secret UFO Program for the US Military.

But in 2017, he quit in protest.

I put my entire future on the line

because I believe in what I believe in.

Now he's joining an elite group

of former government insiders.

Their mission, reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.

US airspace is being violated by vehicles

of unknown origins with advanced capabilities.

This is real and we're gonna

get to the bottom of it.

If people knew these unidentified vehicles

are operating within minutes of the DC area,

they would say, "excuse me,

isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?"

How's our friend?

Is he okay?

He's really nervous.

We've got him set up in a motel nearby.

Sure.

This is a big moment for him.

He's going to be the first guy

on his ship to come out.

He has expressed his desire to have a conversation

about something that seems almost extraordinary.

Can certainly make you nervous.

Lue Elizondo is on his way to meet

an active duty Navy fighter pilot,

who has agreed to disclose, for the first time,

details of an extraordinary series of UFO encounters,

captured on video over the Atlantic Ocean in 2015.

With Elizondo is veteran Navy pilot, David Fravor,

who says he had a similar UFO encounter

in 2004, over the Pacific.

It's great that he's agreed to talk with us.

I would start with what he was doing that day.

Let him tell his story.

Hey Ryan, how are you?

I'm Lou. Nice to meet you, Lou.

It's taken weeks of negotiating

to convince the pilot to talk.

Appreciate you taking the time to speak with us.

Elizondo hopes having one

of the most respected pilots in the Navy

with him will put the younger pilot at ease.

Two V one, huh?

That's not a fair fight.

Lieutenant Ryan Graves has spent a decade

training Navy pilots and flying bombing missions.

As a combat section lead,

he twice deployed to the Middle East and holds

a degree in aerospace engineering.

Go ahead; let's start from the beginning.

Well, simply put, I don't really know

where the beginning is.

In the summer of 2014,

Lieutenant Graves was based out of Naval Air Station Oceana,

in Virginia Beach.

Lieutenant Graves says his squadron, the Red Rippers,

was running training exercises up and down the East coast,

when they started to pick up mysterious radar tracks.

We didn't really think a lot of 'em,

other than the fact that maybe they were just,

just part of the radar itself,

not necessarily natural, physical object.

Was there any difference between the aircraft

you were flying in 2015, versus what he was flying in 2004?

We had upgraded electronics, radar systems.

It's a generational difference.

It's a big deal. Is it,

Huge, huge increase in capability.

The pilots wondered if their

new radar system was malfunctioning,

until they saw one of the unidentified objects up close.

Walk me through that moment.

Were you there or was it one of your colleagues?

It was one of my colleagues,

so I didn't hear about it until they landed.

Did he give you size, color, texture?

It was basically a cube, inside of a sphere,

where the points of the cube

were touching outside the sphere.

You've got now two different things.

You guys got cubes with balls, where on the West coast,

we got flying Tic-Tacs.

You'll sometimes get phantom tracks where,

it's seeing something that's not there.

That's what we thought when they're working for

some of the time, until you see them physically.

The entire of them with your eyeballs.

It's not like I'm seeing a bright, physical object.

I'm literally just seeing a flash shine out there.

Wherever we were, they were there,

so that could mean two things.

That could mean they were already there,

or they were following the strike group.

By 2015, Lieutenant Graves claims his pilots

were encountering bizarre craft almost every time they flew.

You know it's one thing

if one person sees one of these objects.

I'm like okay, that's crazy.

But when you go up there every day and you see 'em,

and your brothers and sisters in other squadrons

are seeing them, it's like, okay, well,

this is probably some type of maybe drone thing

or something that they're testing out.

It wasn't until someone actually saw one go

in between two aircraft, at a close range,

probably within 150 feet,

that it was starting to get worrisome.

Lieutenant Graves says when one of the objects

nearly caused a terrifying mid-air collision,

senior pilots in his squadron decided to act.

At this point, we're like, something needs to be done.

We submitted a safety report to the Navy Safety Center.

They'd been seeing these things for two months.

Multiple people have seen 'em,

multiple people have tracked 'em.

You get one that splits a section.

Enough to send out your mishap report to safety center.

Did anyone contact you and say, what is going on?

No.

No investigation, no nothing?

No.

We have a video I'd like you to see.

Without telling you anything about it,

I'm gonna be curious your thoughts

and you can tell me what you see.

These three UFO videos were released

by the Pentagon.

The one on the left has already been identified

as the 2004 incident involving David Fravor.

The source of the other two had remained a mystery.

Whoa! Got it!

This video has come to be know as Go Fast,

and shows an object speeding just above the water.

The other is known as Gimbal.

The sensor is on a Gimbal underneath the aircraft

and it can rotate to maintain a track.

There're going againts the wind.

My gosh!

There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.

I'll never forget those voices.

You know those voices? Yeah.

It's a breakthrough in the investigation.

For the first time, a pilot has confirmed that

the two unidentified videos, Gimbal and Go Fast,

were taken by Navy jets from the Theodore Roosevelt.

We're getting ready for deployment,

so, we do workups along the Eastern seaboard.

And these objects kind of came with us.

Lieutenant Graves says both Gimbal

and Go Fast were filmed within weeks of each other,

over the Atlantic, off Jacksonville, Florida.

And as Lieutenant Graves squadron was preparing

to deploy to the Middle East,

they were seeing so many mysterious objects,

they started sharing the videos when they got back on ship.

They were obviously very excited about

what happened and then they were heading down

to watch the full videos in its entirely.

If there's parts of this video that we can talk about

that aren't here, let's walk through that.

So this object was significantly larger

than the ones we were used to seeing.

Lieutenant Graves says the Gimbal video

is just part of a longer, higher-resolution video

he was shown on the ship.

It included several smaller craft,

the kind he was more familiar with.

They were essentially flying themselves in a formation.

And then, behind those

was the object that you see here

and I'm not the world's greatest drawer--

That's okay. But as you can see here,

it almost looks like a gyroscope, right,

the way it moves.

Mm-hmm. The points coming out

of the top and bottom would appear to be a disc

or at least a central mass on the object.

So, these objects were proceeding in one direction.

The five, at some point,

basically just turned themselves around,

with some type of radius to turn as a unit,

and started flying that direction.

At this time, it's pretty much where you see this video,

where these are now out of the picture

and it's just this guy that's stationary.

Is that why they refer to them

as there's a whole fleet of them?

Yup. Okay.

So there wasn't a whole fleet of these.

There was just all these little guys.

And then, there's the one object,

which we had never seen before,

which was significantly larger.

Lieutenant Graves says the way the larger craft

suddenly rotates at 90 degrees is unlike anything

he had ever seen.

Look at that thing.

It's rotating.

It's just basic airplane physics.

When your wings are underneath you and you're flying along,

you have 100% of your lift.

And if you turn yourself all the way like this,

kind of knife-blading, you have none of the lift

that your wings would provide you.

So the fact that he would just get himself on his wingtip,

with no turn, while staying at exact same point,

isn't how aircraft work.

Ryan Graves is an aerospace engineer

when he's not a pilot.

So, when Ryan is telling you that there is something

up there that he doesn't know how it works,

and it is not one of our aircraft,

you need to listen.

What's fascinating and interesting about these objects

is that they're up there when we take off,

they're doing their thing for one hour

and half, maybe two hour flight,

and then we land and my buddy that takes off

an hour later is seeing the same things.

This is important.

Now we're looking at something that can stay stationary

over a geographic point and 120 knots of wind.

They're all going against the wind.

The wind's 120 knots to the west.

Can rotate around

then can accelerate above supersonic.

As a top gun guy,

have you seen something like that before?

No.

No, I'm, I'm pretty baffled right now.

Coming up on Unidentified

What Lieutenant Graves says next stuns Elizondo and Fravor.

At least 50 or 60 people saw 'em.

I've talked to people from other squadrons

and it's the same story.

And ever more startling is where

the UFOs appeared next.

There are people out there that you know right now

that you could pick up the phone and they would say,

yeah, that was something that we routinely encountered.

Oh yeah, at least 50 or 60, yeah.

50 or 60 individuals? Easily.

Lue Elizondo and veteran Navy fighter pilot,

David Fravor, are learning new details about

an extraordinary case caught on camera.

Active duty Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves

says a fleet of UFOs followed his carrier

from the summer of 2014

into 2015,

off the East coast,

The reason Lieutenant Graves is speaking out

is because he's concerned about his comrades

and he's concerned about national security.

And he's seeing a system which is failing to react.

Chris Mellon is a former Deputy Assistant

Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

If people in the DC area knew that within minutes

of their location, these unidentified vehicles

are operating seemingly without regard to

our air defense capabilities,

operating at will,

just minutes from the nation's capital,

I think they would say, "uh, excuse me,

isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?"

The incidents had disturbed Lieutenant Graves

and his fellow pilots,

but what happened in the months following,

would raise the stakes even higher.

In March 2015, the Theodore Roosevelt was deployed

to the Arabian Gulf, when suddenly,

Lieutenant Graves says, the UFOs reappeared.

We did have issues with them when we actually

went out to the Middle East.

Not in the transit, but once we actually settled

out into the Middle East.

In the Middle East,

one of the targets of US firepower

was the Russian Allied Syrian government.

Were the unidentified objects tracking the Navy jets,

actually next generation Russian drones?

No one really knows, you know, what they are,

but if it was an aircraft, if it was a MIG,

if it was any type of enemy aircraft,

it'd probably be a pretty big deal.

That airspace is exclusive use airspace

that we use out there, over the oceans,

for tens of F18s going every day.

We've got these things showing up,

you've got these things showing up,

that are following the ship.

And no one's... No one seems to really care.

At least pull in the data to go,

if ten F18s come back and say, yeah,

we're seeing these things all over,

you would think someone would prompt to go,

hey what is going on?

So you have objects off the coast of San Diego,

you have objects, potentially, off the coast of Virginia,

and these objects now, somewhere over the Middle East.

But now, the objects have potentially a global presence,

not a regional presence,

a global presence to be wherever they wanna be.

Yeah. I'm fascinated that

over 60 people have seen these things and it's just

become like the accepted norm.

I appreciate what you guys are doing,

trying to hunt down these answers for guys like me.

Do you know, if there's anybody else who has

had some interesting experiences like this,

we'd love to know.

We wanna know what this is.

In the 2004 Nimitz incident,

Navy pilots went head-to-head

with a Tic-Tac shaped object.

Ten years later, The Roosevelt pilots

say they encountered three different craft:

a cube inside a sphere,

a large disc-shaped UFO,

and a smaller round object captured here.

We used to call 'em Foo Fighters.

That's what they used to call unidentified flying objects

during World War II that the guys saw.

During the war, mysterious flying objects

were reported by American pilots

over Europe and the Pacific.

These Foo Fighters were often described as small spheres,

similar to what was seen by the Roosevelt pilots

70 years later.

We seem to be dealing with more than one phenomenon,

where they're from, who's operating, what their intent is.

Maybe there are, in fact,

multiple sources that are competing and contending

that are developing these craft.

In either case, it's hard to find

a prosaic explanation

for a carrier battle group being shadowed

by unidentified aircraft all the way across the Atlantic

to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East.

It makes an extremely compelling case for the existence

of technologies that we didn't even think were possible.

So Jeff, we're gonna play the video.

I'd like your opinions on what we're seeing,

play by play.

The Navy's UFO videos are

so potentially explosive that Elizondo

wants an independent analysis of what exactly they show.

Retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel,

Chris Cooke spent a career flying fighter jets.

Ross Aimer flew commercial aircraft for decades

and consults for the National Transportation Safety Board.

I don't wanna give you too much information

on these videos up front.

I think it's important that we look at this information

without too much background.

Elizondo's already asked them

to analyze the 2004 footage from the Nimitz.

But now he wants their take on the two videos

from the Roosevelt in 2015.

The Go Fast video was 33 seconds long and shows

a round craft that appears to be streaking

across the ocean's surface.

Whoa! Got it!

Woohoo!

What a fuck is that thing?

Did you box moving target?

No, it's in autotrack.

Oh. Okay.

Oh my gosh, dude.

What is that, man?

Look at that flying!

That thing is hauling ass.

That's exactly my point.

It's a little less than 2/3rds the speed of sound.

But how was the craft able to fly so fast?

The infrared sensor shows the object as cold.

If this were some type of aircraft

with a conventional propulsion system,

we would definitely see some type of heat signature.

Everything we know about propulsion systems

is they create an intense amount of heat.

Typically when an airplane moves out of the way

or tries to maneuver or evade.

It will typically go to full power

and everything we know about propulsion systems

is they create an intense amount of heat,

afterburner in particular for the F-18,

you know, can extend 30 feet behind the airplane.

So if it was a conventional type aircraft

you would most definitely see some type of an IR

signature ploom behind the airplane.

Well that seems to me as a lay person,

I mean I don't know how far that thing is away

but it seems kind of sudden,

it seems like it's all of a sudden here

and starts to drift to the left and then boom

Fired away

Gone

Now, here's the interesting part

of this geometric problem is if it is close

that for that object to move

if it is at a pretty significant range

for it to move off that quickly, that's very fast.

And if it is far away to move that quickly.

It's even faster

Wow, very very interesting.

There is no known aircraft that can

stay aloft for long without a source of lift

and propulsion.

Look at that thing dude.

The Gimbal video is even more baffling

to the experts.

It shows a craft mid-air that rotates

into a near perpendicular position to the ground.

Dude, this is a fucking drone, bro.

There's a whole fleet of them. Look at the ASA.

My gosh.

They're all going against the wind.

The wind is 120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing, dude.

It's rotating.

The strange way the object turns

in mid-air confuses both experts.

It is definitely rotating, it appears to be,

or changing angle of bank.

And it appears to have stopped

moving quickly across the horizon.

And yet, it doesn't lose any altitude.

It doesn't seem to be dropping.

Sadly, with all the experience that you think we have,

I can't figure it out.

Well, I certainly can't, Chris?

No, I have no idea.

I've always kind of been skeptical about aliens

and UFOs and things like that.

But I've never seen anything remotely

like what I saw today.

I'm a lot more convinced now that these vehicles do exist.

Coming up on Unidentified.

First three words that spring to mind

are: bizarre, incredible and unacceptable.

Good morning, Lu, welcome.

How you doing today? Very well, thanks.

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary

of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon,

has convinced a powerful group of lawmakers to meet

with him about ongoing military encounters with UFOs.

But first, Lue Elizondo is briefing him

on the latest breakthrough in their investigation.

What I'd like to do is show you a short highlight

of an interview that we did recently

with an active duty pilot.

Elizondo had convinced a Navy pilot

to go public with the story behind

two unidentified Pentagon UFO videos, captured off Florida.

Where the Nimitz was occurring in the Pacific,

we have now very similar incidents

occurring in the Atlantic.

Before I say any more,

why don't we just watch a few minutes here?

We're getting ready for our deployment,

on the Theodore Roosevelt

over Virginia Beach on the US Oceana.

Lieutenant Ryan Graves described how UFOs

appear to follow his carrier strike group

from the summer of 2014 into 2015.

It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in

between two aircraft, at a close range,

probably within 150 feet,

that it was starting to get worrisome.

Well, I'll tell you the first three words

that spring to mind are bizarre,

incredible, and unacceptable.

If that wasn't interesting enough,

these incidents were encountered near the United States

and as they made their way to the Middle East AOR,

they encountered these things again,

almost like they were being stalked.

As a former intelligence person,

I'm a little frustrated that we spend 50 billion

a year to try to avert strategic surprise

and then we have vehicles with extraordinary capabilities

that may be surveilling one of our aircraft carrier

battle groups and nobody's taking action

to find out where these things are coming

from and what they're doing there.

Lieutenant Graves' squadron had filed

a report to the Naval Aviation Safety Office.

But he says nothing was done about what they'd come

to see as a serious threat.

There were enumerable radar contacts and sightings,

over an eight-week period, all the way across the Atlantic.

As many as perhaps 60 Naval personnel who had eyes on,

either on radar screens or visually in the air.

The evidence is sort of the tip

of the iceberg, if you will.

I think your friends on the Hill may be very surprised

to know that these incidents have continued,

as recently as 2015.

Lue Elizondo, Chris Mellon,

these are guys that are trying to work through the system.

They're not outside the system sort of throwing grenades

in order to get their way.

They're trying to get Congress on board.

They're trying to get more of the Pentagon leadership

to pay attention, but because they are bound

by their oath to protect classified information,

they need to be careful.

Mellon wants to show the video

of Lieutenant Graves to his contacts

and powerful Congressional committees

that oversee national security.

He hopes the Lieutenant's dramatic story will

get Congress to acknowledge these incidents

are real and take action.

But Mellon knows he has to be careful.

Talking about UFOs carries the decades long stigma

of flying saucers and alien visitors.

The alien angle on this is

the biggest impediment to progress.

I agree. And I wanna steer

as far clear of that as possible in any discussions.

This is an issue of unknown aircraft that

appear to be surveilling the fleet in significant numbers

over prolonged periods of time.

They're being observed by large numbers of pilots.

Um, they're being,

the observations are confirmed by our sensor systems,

and nobody seems to be taking action.

And here we have multiple mysterious aircraft

with absolutely stunning, sort of unprecedented,

capabilities flying in restricted military airspace

in close proximity to carrier battle groups

working up for deployments to the Middle East.

And the Congress isn't being informed.

The upper echelons of the department

are not being informed.

Senior people in the intelligence community

don't seem to be getting the message,

and nobody's responding.

Maybe at the end of the day we'll find a person,

a simple reasonable explanation.

Maybe we'll find out it was some special classified program

and we can pop a bottle of champagne and

Sure.

We can celebrate our breakthrough

and that's great, right?

I have faith that the leadership in this country

does want to do something about it.

I think that they do want to know about this.

Um, I think that there are challenges

that we have internally,

probably in part because of stigma,

probably in part because of other things,

that for some reason this information isn't getting

um, trickled up to the right levels for attention.

I'm gonna fold this up and get out of your hair.

Thank you, Lou, great job, great work.

Elizondo hands Mellon a tablet.

with a clip from the interview and he heads

to a closed door meeting on Capital Hill.

Not everybody recalls from their civic lesson

that it's the Congress, not the Executive Branch,

that raises and maintains the military

and is responsible for their organization and funding.

And they can't do that effectively if they

don't know what the threats are out there.

Over the decades,

Congress has made sporadic attempts to tackle

the UFO issue, with little result.

In 1966, House Minority Leader, Gerald Ford,

called for hearings after a rash of UFO sightings

in his Michigan district.

Two years later...

Beings that come from the sky that

are worried about us, that are powerful.

Astronomer Carl Sagan told the House Committee

on Science and Aeronautics that investigating UFOs

was a valid pursuit.

Project Blue Book's J. Allen Hynek testified that

he hoped respected scientists would study his UFO reports.

How many really mysterious incidents

are there that you'd like to go back and look at again?

As I mentioned in the hearings this morning,

I've picked some 20 which

have possible scientific pay dirt in them.

But Project Blue Book was closed down

a year later and Hynek's dream would have to wait.

50 years later, Elizondo and Mellon

are again pushing Congress to take notice.

What's the word? Oh, good meeting.

Really good meeting.

Lawmakers had already heard

from the USS Nimitz pilots

during a closed door meeting earlier in the year.

It's getting a lot more attention now.

We, as a military, we, as an institution,

we, as American people, we should take this seriously.

They recognized that the Nimitz incident was

not an isolated incident?

Yeah, absolutely. That there's a trend.

Absolutely. Excellent, excellent.

And they'd like to hear,

as more people come forward and approach us,

they're interested in what they have to say, also.

Now, Mellon's Washington contacts

have told him they want to meet directly

with Lieutenant Graves and any other pilot

in his squadron who's willing to speak up.

Carl Sagan once famously said, about UFOs,

extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

He was absolutely right.

But now we have the proof.

The question now is will people look at the evidence

and are they able to process it?

Lieutenant Ryan Graves has just described,

for the first time, a terrifying series of encounters

over the Atlantic between UFOs and the US Navy.

He says a fleet of UFOs stalked his squadron for months off

the East coast and even followed them to the Middle East.

What the fuck is that?

Oh my gosh, dude.

Seriously, look at that thing.

It's rotating.

From my experience on the East coast,

tens, if not 100 people

have had this issue.

Really the issue is that there's no real means

of communication to kind of express that information.

So, what'll happen is you'll see something interesting

and you'll show your buddies, including your skipper,

and that's really where the conversation ends.

Graves says his fellow pilots

saw at least three different shapes of UFOs.

Now, a second eye witness is coming forward.

Hey buddy. Hey, what's up man?

How you doing? Good.

How are you? Doing well.

I'm the very, keep things close to the chest kind of guy.

I trust him, we've flown together.

We deployed together and so,

when Lieutenant Graves was saying he's

got some people interested in talking to us,

I was willing to help him out.

Many of the pilots have hundreds

if not several thousands of flying hours.

It's not in their interest to make this stuff up,

because, professionally, it could be very damaging to them.

In 2015, Lieutenant Graves

and Lieutenant Danny Aucoin were training

to deploy to the Middle East.

What was the first thing you thought when you saw

that there is actually something there?

The first time you see it on the radar

could possibly be a false track,

but then when you start to get multiple sensors reading

the exact same thing, and then you get to see a display,

that solidifies it for me.

Again and again,

the pilots were capturing bizarre shaped objects

on their F18's cameras.

Two of the videos would be released to the public.

One would come to be known as Go Fast,

the other was called Gimbal.

Really no distinct wings, no distinct tail,

no distinct exhaust plume,

much like you see in the Gimbal video.

It seemed like they were aware of our presence,

'cause they would actively move around us.

Lieutenant Graves was in the air

the day the Gimbal video was recorded.

We came back, we landed and we got back to the ready room,

we we're getting our gear off and you're like,

dude, you gotta check this video out it's sick.

They're all going against the wind.

The wind is 120 knots to the west.

Look at that thing.

His flight path doesn't look like it moves at all.

Yeah, its flight path doesn't change,

his altitude is not changing.

So it's basically just rotating in some fashion.

Yeah. That's my perspective.

Yeah, I'd say the same thing.

That's definitely not a maneuver I've pulled before.

According to the pilots,

the Go Fast video was captured several weeks later

off Florida's East coast.

What the fuck is that thing?

Did you box moving target?

What is that man?

Look at that flying!

So, do you think that's the same air crew as the first one?

Both videos appear to feature the same voices.

That's led to questions

whether they were faked.

On the one hand you could say,

it makes it more credible because you're hearing,

in the moment, how surprised these military pilots are.

At the same time, it probably increases the chances

that somebody could've spliced in the audio

to make it sound more credible.

That is the same air crew,

because I recognize my buddy's voices.

Yeah, yes, I think a lot of people will.

I definitely recognize the voices of both,

the WSO on both of them and then the pilot and I

were really good friends inside and outside of work.

Our families spent a lot of time together.

Whoa! Got it!

Woohoo!

I don't know what this thing is.

I don't know, this one's weird to me. I don't really know how to describe it.

Could it have been a drone; I think yes, it could've been.

Whatever it was was small,

which is why it was difficult to pick up visually.

Despite their seemingly

incredible capabilities, neither pilot can disregard

the possibility that whatever was captured on both videos

was either a technology controlled by the US military

or one of America's enemies.

Is there anything you know of

that could make turns like that?

Um, I don't know, I don't know how deep I wanna

go down that, that path right now.

In 2015, the commander of

the Roosevelt Strike Group was Rear Admiral Andrew L. Lewis.

Lieutenant Graves was there when the admiral

came below deck to watch one of the videos.

So, I stayed in the room, in the civic

'cause I heard the admiral's coming down--

Yeah. To check the video out.

We'd been dealing with this for awhile.

Let's see what he says about this tape.

And he walked in the room and I see him just

look at the video for like five seconds,

just go, huh, and walk out and that was it.

What the hell is that thing?

Could the mysterious craft have been part

of a secret test program or were they sent

by a foreign adversary, a so-called red threat?

If it's a red threat, that would be enormous.

If it was someone operating drones out there,

that would be enormous, too, someday will be mid-air

and you lose an aircraft.

If it's something totally outside of that,

then obviously the implications

for that are enormous as well.

Nobody wants to go to the Admiral and say,

"Sir, we're screwed."

This is this aircraft that just got under the wire

and we didn't even know it were there.

And they've been there before.

My gosh!

There is definitely this fear

that either an adversary

or someone else has developed a technology

and every defense system we have developed over decades

to protect our forces is irrelevant

and that's a scary thought if you're in the military.

We're just trying to figure out exactly what we saw.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes,

I don't know if I would've believed it either.

The department of defense did not respond to repeated requests

for comment on the claims made by Ryan Graves and Danny Aucoin.

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What happens when it's behaving in a way

that these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue.

Well that's when you start seeing the expletives

come over the radio.

Hey, what's up? Hey Steve.

Listen, I was going through my notes.

Um, I was wondering if maybe I could share a few thoughts

with you, to get your opinion on a few things.

Yeah, yeah, no problem.

Lou Elizondo's investigation

has raised a critical question.

Why were the UFOs captured in all three F18 videos

seen near US Navy Carrier Strike Groups,

even following one of them into a war zone.

How do you know that a foreign adversary

hasn't leap frogged us in technology by a generation?

How do you know we're not just seeing

the new jet of the future?

If anyone might know the answer,

it's Steve Justice.

In his three decades at Lockheed Martin Skunk Works,

he helped design some of America's

most advanced attack aircraft.

Why would it be near carrier battle group?

So what was the carrier doing at the time?

Workups? Yup, it was doing workups.

Getting ready for deployment.

Okay, and so would that be something

an adversary would wanna see?

Damn well we wanna know, yeah.

I wanna know anything and everything...

Right. That our foreign adversaries are doing

and a workup is a perfect place to do it.

Right, because coms and everything are being used.

Well, and you're gonna see that thing working

as it's working in the field and that's what I wanna know.

Right. But what happens

when you don't have the pilots recognizing what it is

and it's behaving in a way that these guys

and pilots are saying, I have no clue.

That's when you start seeing the expletives

come over the radio.

That's fair.

Expletives.

What a hell is that thing?

What is that man?

Did you box moving target?

A foreign adversary can't just send in

a typical reconnaissance aircraft

'cause we won't let 'em into our area.

They would have to send in something that's super,

super low observable,

something that is super sophisticated

and fast that can get in,

look at what it is we're doing,

and then get back out, right?

I mean, we want that capability,

so why wouldn't a foreign adversary?

Yeah. That's why I continue

to doggedly pursue these what-if scenarios.

My greatest fear is that an adversary did figure it out

and we are just way, way, way, way, way behind.

In their work

inside highly classified programs,

both Elizondo and Justice had access

to much more information than they're able to reveal.

I think we owe it to ourselves,

I think we owe it to everybody that

is relying on us to collect the information

and be fair and objective, right?

I'm really, desperately trying to do that.

But at the same time, I feel a little bit disingenuous

because, sometimes, I might have inside knowledge.

There's a lot of stuff that you have

to leave partitioned off, okay.

But I would say there's just too many pieces

of the puzzle that don't make sense

and it represents a set of capabilities

that seem new to everybody in the community.

If these aircraft had Russian or Chinese markings

on them and they were zipping on and out

of an aircraft carrier battle group,

there would be a budget the size of this building

designed to get to the bottom of how do they develop

that and how do we replicate it and how do we defeat it?

But none of that is happening here, as far as we can tell.

If these craft were sent

by a foreign adversary, Elizondo says that threat

would need to be reported to law makers.

If anybody had this leap frog technology,

this would be a national

intelligence collection priority,

period; all hands on deck.

Congress would be engaged.

But we know that's not the case.

We know that as a fact because we're talking

to the highest levels of Congress;

we're feeding them information.

We know Congress is just as surprised

by this as Joe Q. Public.

Yeah.

So, that, for me, that's a deal...

And that's why I'm saying, if it is a foreign capability

going on and this hasn't occurred,

dude, heads are gonna roll.

That's illegal.

There's laws against that.

You have to inform Congress.

Something allegedly has been stalking

America's nuclear powered carrier strike groups.

But neither Lue Elizondo or Steve Justice

believe it's an enemy we know.

Wanna be careful we're not belligerent,

you know, saying oh the Russian, the Chinese,

that they're the big, bad enemy because when it comes

to this phenomena, they're really not.

They're in the same boat we're in.

Hi man, unfortunately, I'm no longer interested

in communicating about the matter we discussed earlier.

I hope you can understand this.

Good luck with everything.

He's spooked.

This is the second guy in a week now that was part

of that effort on the Roosevelt in 2015 that we've lost.

Lue Elizondo convinced Navy pilot

Lieutenant Ryan Graves to go public

about his squadron's extraordinary encounters

with UFOs.

I've had conversations with friends from other squadrons

that just, hey, there's stuff out there,

I hope we don't hit it now because they're out

there enough now where someone could potentially

have a mid-air; something needs to be done.

But after months of trying to persuade

other pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt

to speak out, Elizondo's hit a wall.

The jets weapons systems officer allegedly heard

throughout the Roosevelt videos...

There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.

Has backed out of an interview.

The person's voice you hear in that video,

that is the guy that we were in contact with.

This had the potential to really help shed light

to get a better handle of what's going on.

Kinda sucks, actually.

While there are allegedly more

than 50 Nave personnel who witnessed these UFOs,

nearly all of them are afraid to come forward.

So how you been, man?

Good.

So, ah, how you feeling about this?

I'm feeling pretty good.

But Lieutenant Ryan Graves

has been summoned to the nation's capital

for a closed door meeting with members of Congress

responsible for national security.

They want to hear what happened when a fleet of UFOs

appeared to stalk his carrier strike group.

I'm not here to speculate or guess what it is.

I can just simply provide as many facts as I can about this.

The fact that Lieutenant Graves is willing

to put his career at risk and speak out publicly

about this while he's still active duty military

really speaks volumes about the frustration

in trying to work through the system.

One can only hope that his courage will be rewarded

and that people will pay attention.

What would you like to walk away with

at the end of this meeting you're about to have today?

There's two issues here.

One, people aren't paying attention,

and two, there's a credibility problem

and a stigma related to this.

By observing hard facts and data

from professionals and from our sensor systems,

we can bring this to light in such a way that,

that you can't just refute by saying,

I don't believe you.

Man, I hope you get a chance to tell them that.

Like Lieutenant Graves,

Lue Elizondo made his own decision to speak out

when he quit the Pentagon secret UFO Unit in 2017.

I think what Lue Elizondo and others have done

is kind of break that mold a little bit

where it's okay to talk about this stuff.

I've asked members of Congress about it

and they will tell me, yeah, you know,

there may be something to this.

There's also a new generation of members of Congress.

They're younger, they're more open-minded.

They're not afraid to ask tough questions.

I think we're now seeing a generation of elected leaders

but also national security officials who

are more willing to talk about this issue

and don't see it as much as a third rail.

I think ultimately,

it's a discussion the American people

have to have with themselves,

and then tell your political leaders

what you expect and what you want done.

Lieutenant Graves secret meeting

lasted 90 minutes.

It was off any public schedule and unknown

to members of the press.

How'd it go?

It seemed like they recognized there is an issue.

And they generally want to figure out what it is.

His account was heard by members

of the Congressional committees

that oversee national security,

as well as a team from the Defense Department.

At what point was it that people just stopped

being interested in unexplained things?

I mean, that's kind of what drives us, right?

We get out there and we're learning new things,

at least, that's what drives me.

We're trying to explore the unknown.

To see something every day and just kind

of brush it aside and not wanna raise the question

about hey, this is curious.

Maybe we should figure something out about this.

It's extremely frustrating that, potentially,

whether this is some type of threat, you know, globally here,

if we have some type of red air threat that's out there,

gathering our wave forms and our tactics

or something else, if we're not curious, then what are we?

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didn't really wanna talk about it,

but I guess the cat's out of the bag.

Whatever these UFOs were, wherever they're from,

they had an intense interest in anything nuclear.

Tell me what you experienced back in 1980.

The on-duty police lieutenant came in,

white as a sheet, and he said, we saw lights in the forest.

There was something out there.

I don't know exactly what it is,

but there's a beam coming down to the grass.

I'm thinking, is this some kind of communication?

I couldn't believe what was happening.

They didn't want the world to know,

which is kind of scary,

because you don't know what els they're covering up.