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UFOs with extraordinary capabilities are present in our skies,

according to a team of former US Government insiders.

This program features military eyewitnesses

describing these unidentified craft for the first time.

Coming up on Unidentified.

They all changed position

and then they were gone.

And as soon as I turned the lights, it was like zoop.

Straight to me.

When you look at the data,

the Nimitz was not an isolated event.

I know what I saw.

Even if I don't know what it is, I know I saw it.

Do you know what it's like to serve your country,

only to have someone come out and say you're crazy?

The Pentagon has confirmed the existence

of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

that studied UFOs and they released video.

There's a whole fleet of 'em.

My gosh.

For eight years Lue Elizondo

ran a secret UFO program for the U.S. military.

But in 2017, he quit in protest.

I put my entire future on the line

because I believe in what I believe in.

Now he's joined an elite group

of former government insiders.

Their mission, reveal what they say is the truth about UFOs.

U.S. airspace is being violated

by vehicles of unknown origin with advanced capabilities.

This is real, and we're gonna get to the bottom of it.

I've seen too much.

I've talked to too many people.

I can't in good conscience

just keep my head buried in the sand.

So, while investigating the Nimitz incident,

we came across some information

that leads us to believe, that there maybe

a particular area, a rally point so to speak,

where some of these things are going.

That's a big deal.

At a minimum, we need to get down to that site

and we need to figure out what's going on.

Lue Elizondo is following

an extraordinary break in his investigation

into a major military UFO sighting off the West Coast.

In the fall of 2004,

two F-18 pilots from the USS Nimitz

told Elizondo they came face to face

with a bizarre, Tic Tac-shaped object.

High G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration.

Whoa, we don't have that.

And I'm talkin',

we're flyin' one of the premiere planes on the planet.

But the incident wasn't an isolated event.

A Navy technician revealed the craft

allegedly traveled underwater

at nearly two times the speed of the fastest U.S. submarine.

According to one of the sonar guys,

they were going 70 plus knots under the water.

And another Navy radar specialist

says he had tracked as many as a hundred

of the strange craft for days.

They fell off my radar envelope

down off the coast of Baja, California.

Okay.

These things were going somewhere.

I could tell you the lat and long.

We now have a very good lead on a potential hotspot.

What does that mean? I don't know what this means.

Are these things, can you see 'em all the time flying around out there?

Is it underwater?

What about the locals?

These are all of the things now that we can use

to help us start collecting additional data points

and putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

Hey, how are you, brother?

Good, man, I'm pulling right up.

Joining Elizondo is a new member

of the investigation who himself was a witness

to the strange events of November 2004.

Different people have different motivations for coming forward.

These are soldiers or sailors

who have been involved in something extraordinary.

They're not quite sure what to make of it, but they want the truth to come out.

How are you, my friend? Very good.

How are things going? They're outstanding today.

Sean Cahill served 20 years in the Navy.

He was the top security officer on the USS Princeton,

a missile cruiser in the USS Nimitz carrier strike group.

Cahill was responsible for law and order

aboard the ship and running counterterrorism patrols at sea.

Tell me when this event began for you.

We were told Nimitz has got something going on,

they've got something in their airspace.

Cahill is the fifth

Navy witness to come forward.

This is the first time

he has spoken publicly about the events.

We're gettin' calls up on the bridge

to run out on the bridge wing

and let us know if you see anything.

And they'd give us an angle,

and they'd say do you see anything out there?

And a few times we even turned the ship and

I recall saying "what are we looking for?"

And I think that they were saying

oh, the Nimitz has got some strange contacts.

They obviously had something on radar.

They wanted us to see if we could put eyes on it.

They didn't tell us what we were looking for.

We went out on the bridge wing,

and me and one of my lookouts were scanning the sky.

What Cahill witnessed

has haunted him for 15 years.

So we were both looking up ahead, about 45 degrees angle,

and there was a constellation of lights up there.

Let me get this straight.

You're looking up, and you see these pattern of lights.

They all changed position,

some moving inward towards the center,

some moving outward, but all rotating.

As it rotated, some of the lights disappeared.

And then they were gone.

I didn't see a trail, I didn't see any effect.

It was just there was a light there,

and then there was no longer a light there,

but the night was clear.

This was not stars being occluded by clouds.

That was when I got,

as I get the goosebumps right now,

I got really interested in what was going on.

What the hell is this?

Cahill is the first eyewitness to describe

this abrupt and extraordinary movement of multiple craft.

If Princeton had it on the radar,

why isn't this on the news every night,

that something we don't understand

is present in our atmosphere, coming and going as it pleases

with absolute impunity over our military?

Cahill's account bolsters

the testimony of his shipmate Kevin Day.

The next morning I went and checked my email,

and I had a video from the Black Aces squadron.

The following morning at breakfast I talked to Kevin Day

and another chief petty officer who's a radar operator.

And I said to them what was goin' on last night?

And the chief grunted at me, go look at your email.

I go in the back and I log on

and there's the video.

The next morning,

Cahill and Day watched a longer version of this video

captured by an F-18's camera.

It's the same video that wouldn't be seen again

until more than a decade later,

when Elizondo helped get it released to the public in 2017.

Every night we would have

an operations intelligence briefing.

So...

I kind of smirk and I walk in,

because I'm like wow, maybe we're gonna hear something.

Maybe we're gonna find out what's goin' on.

Now as they start the briefing,

the young officer in charge gave the little nod

to the person running the computer.

You know, next slide.

And as they hit the space bar,

a caricature of a flying saucer

with a little green alien moves across the screen.

The room erupts in laughter, and that was it.

The captain said well, we all, we had a little bit of fun.

I guess you guys were chasin' something around,

but that's over now, let's get on with the briefing.

I'm an intel guy.

It's not uncommon that if you have a person

in a particular position of trust,

and you want to keep them quiet,

that ridicule can be used as some sort of leverage.

I wanna know how that thing went that fast,

and why it didn't need wings, and whose it is.

And if it's not us, it's a national security threat.

When I came back

from the trip, and as time went by

and as I told friends and family about it,

I didn't want my own memories to change enough

that I would question my own memories.

And so I wanted to tell other people while it was still fresh.

And there were people who were interested for my wellbeing,

and then there were other people that

immediately were like, "Well that's weird."

And I said, "What do you think about it?"

And they couldn't formulate an opinion.

A lot of people can't seem to formulate an opinion

beyond I don't know about that,

I don't believe in that,

or I don't know what that was.

And even getting someone to speculate is hard.

It ends up coming down to what you can

perceive and what you can't.

There's something about it that isn't

even manifested as real for other people,

but it was on the radar, it's on the footage.

I saw it with my eyes, the pilots saw it with their eyes.

The watchman, the sailor next to me, saw it with his eyes.

This is a real phenomenon.

Nobody raised an eyebrow,

and it didn't seem like anybody cared.

We weren't even told not to talk about it.

And that was one of the things that struck me as being um,

how do I put it,

that delegitimized the experience.

And I got to a point where

I pretended like it didn't happen, to be honest with you.

Someone tells you something you encountered is not real,

and that you're crazy,

and you got nowhere to go.

Finally after 15 years of carrying this secret around,

somebody was paying attention.

It was real, and other people experienced it too.

And he wasn't going crazy.

How we doin', brother?

Mornin'.

How you doin'?

You know, any day above ground's a good day.

I'm with you on that one.

I've asked Sean to come with us on this trip.

He is a trained investigator,

knows how to ask the right questions.

He also has a personal investment in it.

I think Sean would like some answers himself.

Cahill is joining Elizondo

on a mission to Mexico,

following a lead from a Navy radar operator.

Kevin Day provided us a completely new

piece of the puzzle we never had before.

Day provided the coordinates

where he says a fleet of UFOs disappeared off Navy radar.

We can actually now go to the location,

and we can try to figure out

if there's any type of correlation at all.

Coming up on Unidentified.

This is a part of the Nimitz story

that not only has never been told,

it has never really been explored.

I just turned the lights,

and as soon as I turned the lights, it was like zoop.

Lights.

Sea.

Lights coming out of the water and moving.

9, 10, 11 different unique incidents.

That's definitely a hotspot.

Where were you when you saw this?

Guadalupe.

At the island of Guadalupe.

My hope is to hear what people have to say.

If anything. If they have anything to provide,

I wanna be able to hear it myself.

Lue Elizondo has asked

former Navy law enforcement officer Sean Cahill

to join his UFO investigation to Mexico.

They're following a lead

provided by Cahill's shipmate, Kevin Day.

These things were going somewhere.

They fell off my radar envelope

down off the coast of Baja, California.

I could tell you the lat and long.

The coordinates lead here,

a small, remote Mexican island called Guadalupe.

What I'd really like to see is for us

to take the event from 2004 and to show

if this phenomena has continued post-2004.

This is a part of the Nimitz story

that not only has never been told,

it has never really been explored.

In order to keep his work

for the military's UFO unit secret,

Elizondo put in interviews of civilian witnesses.

I think there's goodness in casting a wide net,

try to get as many people that we can

to come on record and tell us what they've seen.

My frustration when I was at AATIP was I was always stuck

focusing only on military individuals.

This is the first time you've been able to not hide.

Right. I hate to put it that way, but

you don't have to hide behind anything.

You can ask the questions now. Right.

The journey to Guadalupe Island starts here.

Ensenada, Mexico, is a major hub

for commercial and tourist fishing.

Elizondo and Cahill want to know

if locals here have seen strange things in the sky.

I'm used to speaking with military people who are experts,

but I think in the end it comes down

to sheer volume

and commonalities.

If you have people that are both trained observers

and untrained observers telling you the same thing,

there is a really good possibility

that they are both describing a similar event.

They've teamed up with Jordy Lebrija,

a Mexican journalist who says he's heard stories

about unexplained sightings in Baja, California, for years.

So Jordy, who's the gentleman

we're gonna be meeting today?

He's a pilot,

and he does a lot of flights to Guadalupe,

and he has seen crazy things as well.

Lebrija set up a meeting

with a commercial pilot

who spots bluefin tuna for fishermen

between the Baja coast and Guadalupe.

That's his plane.

Beautiful.

172?

Yes.

What year?

Uh, '83?

Wow, beautiful, beautiful bird.

Adrian Ojeda has spent 18 years

flying over these water.

But it only took a few seconds

to change everything he knew about aviation.

Thank you again for your time

and for your courage to come forward.

Thank you, because this is something like

I don't tell not too many people,

because they think you're crazy or you're, you know.

But so yeah.

Please start from the beginning.

It was January 30,

2015,

around three o'clock in the afternoon.

This is the first time

Ojeda has gone on record about the strange object he saw.

So, it was coming around 23 miles south of Ensenada.

On the afternoon of January 30th, 2015,

Ojeda says he was flying over the Pacific

just 20 miles northeast from where

two U.S. Navy pilots from the USS Nimitz

intercepted a Tic Tac-shaped UFO 11 years earlier.

Can you give me a rough understanding

of size,

shape,

color?

I thought at the beginning it was just a ball,

but when it got so close, it was like this form.

Did you notice if it had any windows?

No. If it had wings?

No flight surfaces?

No windows, no wings, no nothing.

Smooth.

Smooth and clean, yeah.

Ojeda says the object moved erratically,

unlike any aircraft he had ever seen.

When you see an airplane, it goes straight, you know?

But this was kind of like chk, chk, chk.

He also believes the object

reacted to his presence.

It was so far, when I just turned the lights,

and as soon as I turned the lights, it was zoop.

Right at you.

Straight to me.

So it was

Very far away.

Around 10 miles, yeah. 10 miles.

And then you kick on the lights,

and all of a sudden...

Three seconds.

Three seconds. Three, yeah.

Zoop, like that.

Fast.

As he turned on his lights,

Ojeda says the object flew straight at him

at 12,000 miles an hour

or more than 15 times the speed of sound.

This pilot really reinforced

some of the observables that we've already noticed before.

According to Elizondo,

his secret Pentagon investigation cataloged

a set of five incredible capabilities the UFOs shared.

He calls them the observables.

Instantaneous acceleration,

hypersonic velocities,

just really bizarre behavior.

Something that you would not expect

a traditional aircraft to be able to do.

Were there any other reports by any other pilots

in the area that day of anything strange

in the air that you're aware of? Not that I know.

Okay.

Was there ever a time prior to this

that you've seen anything that you considered unusual?

Before that happened, no.

Okay.

So everything you saw, you could identify,

whether it was a satellite, a planet.

Oh.

But in general, you knew. Yes.

You know what's in the sky.

Yes, well I, I...

Before I thought it was something there.

I mean, I didn't even know, I mean, um,

I never got any experience.

Before I was really excited to have an experience.

Yeah, yeah.

But to tell you the truth, with that experience,

I don't even want to have another one.

What was your opinion of this before your experience?

When you heard of other pilots or stories or...

Well, I'm, I'm ah,

ah, to me, I believe it, that something was there.

I mean ah, all the proof's that you can see it around,

but myself, I didn't see it before, for sure,

and I was kind of like oh, I hope I can see something.

But it's different to see it right there.

Oh, I can see.

But the way it happens to me?

It was kind of like, how to say,

aggressive, and I feel like, oh.

You know, I don't want to have

any kind of experience like that because, like I said, yeah.

No.

Yeah.

Once this object came

past your aircraft,

and you performed evasive maneuvers.

Then what?

I know you were scared, frightened.

What happened?

Well, I just want to go away from this as fast as could.

I don't want to see it anymore that way because

Sure.

it went past, and I look around,

and I say oh I just shoo, wanna go.

At first I was like surprised a bit,

because it was,

I couldn't even believe it myself,

like what happened?

That's really true?

but...

the way it happened and the way they act,

I mean, if I didn't move the airplane, I wouldn't be here.

That's why it scared me too much.

I mean, Like I say, even right now, when I fly,

if I see another thing, I don't even want to go even check.

I'm in international waters.

Sometimes I see the carriers and the F-18s.

I see those kinds of airplanes...

And no way it was an aircraft.

Ojeda's 2015 account has an eerie similarity

to the U.S. Navy's 2004 Tic Tac incident.

And all of a sudden it goes burp, and it kinda turns,

and we're like okay, now it knows we're here.

It just rapidly accelerates

beyond anything that I've ever seen,

crosses my nose, and it's gone.

Have the same craft

been flying off the Baja coast for years?

The Baja, California, peninsula

is known across Mexico as a hotspot for UFO sightings.

For decades, local fisherman have reported

strange luminescent objects over the Pacific Ocean.

It's our understanding

that you may have seen something

very interesting in the water.

Sim.

A very strong light illuminated us just like that.

And in seconds it also just disappeared.

Quickly.

We saw a sort of sphere.

It was a silver round shape, more or less.

When we saw this light

And then it disappeared, just like that.

99% of all reported sightings

have a rational explanation.

Typically, these are things that are manmade

or some sort of weather phenomena

or atmospheric anomaly.

So, it's imperative we keep a critical eye on every report.

The fishermen may not be

trained military observers,

but they all have similar accounts

of spherical objects flying in ways they can't explain.

Buenos dias.

And one part of their story stands out.

We saw something that came down.

It stopped.

And suddenly it dove into the water.

In the water?

Yeah.

Coming up on Unidentified.

Where were you when you saw this?

Guadalupe.

Ilha de Guadalupe.

Na ilha de Guadalupe.

The fishermen have seen things

coming out of the sky and hovering above the water

and then splashing into the water.

We gotta get out there.

Good morning.

Lue Elizondo and Sean Cahill are in Mexico

investigating one of the most important UFO incidents

in the history of the U.S. military,

the 2004 USS Nimitz encounter.

Very nice to meet you, sir, thank you.

Thank you for your time.

They're interviewing local fishermen

who have seen strange things in the sky and under the water.

From our understanding you may have

some interesting information

regarding strange things in or near the water.

Lights.

Lights that are under the water.

Lights that came out

but from the sea.

Same thing, lights coming out of the water and moving.

Fishermen have seen lights under the water,

lights underneath their boat,

things coming out of the sky

and then floating and hovering above the water

and then splashing into the water.

I was struck by some of the similarities

in particular with the Nimitz incident.

In 2004,

the Navy pilot who intercepted a Tic Tac-shaped UFO

first saw churning water below the craft.

My heart sank.

There was something in the water.

And a Navy radar technician

says his ship tracked the Tic Tac-shaped object

moving underwater at a high rate of speed.

It went from 30,000 feet down to sea level,

and sonar said they got a hit.

They pretty much went wherever they wanted.

The ability to seamlessly move

through water, air, and space,

known as trans-medium travel,

is one of the five observables

Elizondo's secret Pentagon program identified.

These objects seem to be seen a lot

around large bodies of water.

Write it here.

Please.

These folks for the most part

are not necessarily trained observers,

but they do know the oceans very well.

And a lot of 'em are reporting some pretty interesting

and in my opinion pretty compelling things.

Looks like a Tic Tac, dude.

Let me ask you, where were you when you saw this?

Guadalupe.

North point on Guadalupe island.

Guadalupe island.

At the island of Guadalupe.

The fishermen all point toward one location,

Guadalupe Island,

where senior Navy radar specialist

Kevin Day told Elizondo a fleet of UFOs

had disappeared off his radar in 2004.

Ensenada's right here.

This is the bay right here.

Okay, we've got Guadalupe down here.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

eight, nine, ten, eleven different unique incidents.

We've got some amazing data here.

Definitely a hotspot.

Guadalupe is calling us.

Guadalupe lies 150 miles

off the Baja, California, coast.

The sparsely populated island

is home to a Mexican military weather station

and is surrounded by a restricted

marine refuge area teeming with great white sharks.

The next logical step is to get out there

and see for ourselves is there anything unique?

Is there anything underneath the ocean?

The topography, is there anything strange and weird?

We've gotta get out there.

I think by going to Guadalupe

we stand to gain more clarity.

Hopefully we can collect some good information.

It matters what the facts and the data say.

That's the pursuit, that's what drives me every single day.

We'll probably do about six and a half knots.

You're looking at 175 nautical miles

out to where we need to be.

It's gonna take us a good 25 hours to get out there.

When was the last time you were in these waters?

I have to do the math on it,

but I was in these waters for a number of years,

over the course of 2004 all the way to 2007 on and off.

Wow.

Yeah, this is where the United States Navy

on the West Coast does a great deal of their training.

We've heard so much about this Guadalupe Island.

I hope we get a chance to talk to as many people as we can.

Talk to other fishermen, talk to anybody who's willing

to come out and meet us and have a conversation.

I kind of want to consider

some of the information that we've picked up.

We had circular, spherical objects described.

I hesitate to say saucer, but a lenticular shape.

We had luminous.

Right. Objects, right?

Different colors of luminosity.

And we had objects that flew, objects that hovered,

and objects that went into the water,

and in some cases objects that came from the deep

up to the surface of the water, i.e., rings of light.

Unidentified submerged objects,

known as USOs,

have been reported around the world

by civilians and military witnesses for decades.

Allied warships taking part

NATO exercise mainbrace providing a formidable spectacle.

In 1952, military personnel

taking part in a large-scale NATO exercise off Denmark

reported seeing strange, round craft

flying above and below the water.

The incidents made international headlines,

and ever since USOs have become part of UFO lore.

We know that there is a geomagnetic anomaly

just north of the island and it is significant.

Adding to the mystery surrounding Guadalupe,

a variation in the earth's magnetic field,

known as a magnetic anomaly,

lies just off the island's northern coast.

When you look at the map,

there are no magnetic anomalies anywhere

within hundreds and hundreds of miles of that island

except two hotspots right north of the island.

Could that have anything to do with what we're seeing?

We don't know.

I think we owe it to ourselves to collect more data.

I think it's in our DNA to always

search and find the truth,

whatever that truth is.

Lue was someone who had come into this issue

very skeptical and came out of it

almost a religious believer that wow,

this stuff is really happening,

these are really credible reports from pilots,

from other people that are not wacky.

He became someone who felt that it was his job

to try and get more senior leaders

in the Pentagon to pay attention to this,

eventually maybe get the public to pay attention.

That's amazing.

30 miles away you can see that thing.

After 20 hours on the open water,

Lue Elizondo and Sean Cahill

have arrived at Guadalupe Island,

where a U.S. Navy radar specialist

reported a fleet of strange craft

disappeared off his radar scopes

during the 2004 USS Nimitz UFO event.

This is the land that time forgot, for sure.

Aw, it's just incredible.

Guadalupe was formed millions of years ago,

when two volcanoes erupted on the ocean floor.

Today it's a marine refuge,

and access is strictly controlled

by the Mexican government.

As foreigners, the team can't step foot on its shores.

Good morning, sir.

Hello.

But they've found a group of fishermen

who seen things that cannot explain.

We saw a circular light for a while...

and all of a sudden it disappeared.

How fast did it take off?

Like a shooting star.

Wow.

The ball was there and it looked like...

It looked like a golden ball. Like chrome.

Now, you said it was kind of like a ball,

like a chrome ball.

When it started to move, it moved like...

A sphere.

What color?

White.

Like an LED. Like an LED light.

These fishermen

had never heard of the Nimitz incident,

but their accounts are similar to the U.S. Navy witnesses.

When you come back from fishing,

and someone sees something like this,

do they make fun of the person when they tell the story?

Also the people have seen strange things happening,

so they take it very seriously.

The fishermen take them

to the island's rocky north coast,

where most of the sightings have occurred.

It's also where a magnetic anomaly

lies deep under the ocean.

Ah, ha ha.

Wow.

I've never seen anything like this.

Elizondo and Cahill

want to know if the strange sightings

could have a scientific explanation.

How are you?

Mauricio Hoyos is a world-renowned marine biologist.

We know your time is valuable.

Thank you very much for spending it with us.

Hoyos has been studying great white sharks

on Guadalupe for over 15 years

and documented what is believed to be

the largest great white ever captured on film.

We are here because several people

have reported very interesting phenomena

in the sky and even underwater,

and we wanted to get your scientific knowledge

of these waters.

Well, Guadalupe is a very important place.

Actually, it's the best place

to see white sharks in the world.

The visibility of the water, it's more than a hundred feet.

Oh wow. And sometimes you get to see

more than 33 sharks in one day.

How come that these white sharks

can find this island in the middle of nowhere?

And we think that they have these sensors,

they are called the ampullae of Lorenzini,

and they can detect the electromagnetic field

of the earth,

so we think that they use that in order to get here.

Hoyos believes great white sharks

have a special ability to detect electromagnetic signals,

which helps them migrate to the island each year.

One of the captains,

and he told me that every time

that they are coming to Guadalupe,

he can see that the compass is moving awkward.

That's interesting.

Is there bioluminescence in these waters?

Yep. They're actually very close to the shore.

Bioluminescence is a natural phenomenon

found in oceans all over the world.

It occurs when a chemical reaction in sea life

emits light.

Could this explain the luminescent objects in the water

the fishermen of Guadalupe are seeing?

Okay, so do you ever see

bioluminescence in circular patterns,

almost like a spotlight coming out of the water?

No.

You have a small submersible, right?

So there's lights on it, I'm sure, for navigation?

Yes.

Could fishermen around the island

mistake your submersible for a light under the water?

We have had submersibles, just in 2008,

and I need a special permit for that.

If the submersible is here, the big boat has to be here.

Okay, so you have a boat nearby.

So it's not isolated out in the middle of the ocean. No, exactly.

According to Hoyos,

there is nothing he knows that can explain

what the fishermen of Guadalupe are seeing.

You are a scientist and trained observer.

In our book, that's as good as it gets.

So hearing from you,

anything that you'd be willing to share with us,

would be immensely important.

Is there anything you have seen that has been unusual?

Yeah.

And I thought that it was a hallucination,

but my captain and I, we saw the same thing.

We have lots of reports

from fishermen around the island.

Is there anything that you have seen

that has been unusual?

Yeah, and I thought that it was a hallucination,

but my captain and I, we saw the same thing.

Lue Elizondo and Sean Cahill

are more than a hundred miles off the coast of Mexico,

where a fleet of UFOs fell of U.S. Navy radar

during the USS Nimitz incident in 2004.

In 2006,

we started to track white sharks for 24 hours.

Marine biologist Mauricio Hoyos

has spent years collecting data on great white sharks,

but he can't explain what he saw early one morning in 2006.

It was like 6 a.m., and we were coming to the north,

and then I saw in that mountain,

I saw a little light, like a little sphere.

I thought that it was a star.

But suddenly it, shoop, it moved.

I thought oh my God, I didn't sleep,

and maybe I am looking something that is not real.

And then my captain asked me did you see that?

Could you actually see an object,

or was it more the light that you could see?

It was a very bright object.

It was like a sphere.

I mean a perfect sphere.

In like maybe two seconds, shoop.

Two seconds.

Two seconds, we didn't see anything.

So it didn't just disappear.

It moved. No.

It moved, yeah.

A definite sense of movement, okay.

Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very, very fast. Yeah.

I know time is limited,

sun's going to be going down,

don't want to take much more of your time.

You've been super, super helpful.

Doctor, thanks very much.

You're very welcome.

It has been an absolute pleasure, thank you.

It's amazing.

As far back as 2009,

the Pacific Ocean off Baja, California,

was identified by Elizondo's Pentagon program

as part of a global pattern of UFO hotspots.

After days on the open water,

interviewing multiple civilian witnesses,

Elizondo now has evidence

of a continuing UFO presence in the area.

The trip to Guadalupe Island was very well worthwhile.

The eyewitness testimony from folks from the Nimits.

He just rapidly accelerates

beyond anything that I've ever seen,

and it's gone.

Was corroborated by civilians.

So, between Guadalupe Island and Ensenada

seems to be a real hotspot.

When you look at the data,

the Nimitz was not an isolated event.

In fact, the Nimitz may have

just happened to trip over one of these hotspots

when they were doing their maneuvers out there.

It's one of the pieces to the puzzle.

But we would be remiss if we consider it the whole puzzle.

It's not.

The mission to Guadalupe Island

provided valuable new information.

But for Elizondo and Cahill,

the journey was also personal.

Being part of that incident on the USS Nimitz,

and now being here 14 years later, right, it's time.

Talk about a closed case.

What is like?

I gotta be honest with you, man.

I do get why people don't come forward.

Because it's isolating.

There were 5,000 people on Nimitz.

How many people saw it and aren't willing to come forward?

I know what I saw.

Even if I don't now what it is, I know I saw it.

It was on tape, it was on radar.

I mean, that boosts me.

We don't have all the answers yet.

Yeah.

But we know it's real.

This had affected Sean profoundly.

He didn't talk about it much,

because quite frankly he thought people

were going to look at him like he was crazy.

Do you know what it's like to serve your country,

to swear an oath of loyalty,

only to have someone come out and say you're crazy?

You know, fuck you.

I've spent my life living in the shadows.

I've put myself out there, voluntarily,

so I've got no one to blame but me.

I have people who question my credibility at every turn.

I want so badly to show people

what I've seen and what I know.

But I can't,

'cause I have a nondisclosure agreement

with the U.S. government.

It's very frustrating for me, because I know this is real.

When you look at some of the other incidents over time

that we've collected back in AATIP,

we continue to see the same pattern

over and over and over again.

Elizondo is back in the States,

briefing the team on his trip to Mexico.

More people are bringing information and cases to us,

military and civilian people,

and I think this kind of data and information

is beginning to make a difference

as we're bringing it forward.

As former Deputy Assistant

Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,

Chris Mellon knows how difficult it is

for military personnel to come forward

with stories of UFO encounters.

Those people in the military

at these lower-level operational ranks

are also swimming upstream,

trying to get people's attention and say

hey we've got a genuine issue here, people.

We need to take action.

And I'm delighted that we're able to

assist them in doing that.

But it's not only the military personnel

involved in the incidents who have been silenced.

I would much rather put this behind me,

but the problem is I've seen too much.

I've talked to too many people.

I have too many reports.

I know it's real.

I can't in good conscience

just keep my head buried in the sand.

I had to leave the very job that I love

to get my point across.

The trip to Mexico was a bit of a revelation for us.

Certainly when I was in AATIP

there was no way I would have been able to go into a foreign country

and start asking questions about this thing.

There's no way that would have happened.

Lue Elizondo has new evidence

that he believes confirms an ominous pattern.

The Pacific Ocean off Southern California and Mexico

is a hotspot for unidentified craft

with incredible capabilities.

If it's okay with you,

I'm gonna go ahead and provide you his information.

The newfound freedom

to bring information directly to the public

is a victory for Elizondo.

AATIP had a small group of allies,

but equally there was a small group of people

who were diametrically opposed and became increasingly vocal

about their opposition to what we were doing.

Elizondo spent 10 years

studying reports of military encounters with UFOs.

What is that?

But according to Elizondo,

getting anyone inside the Pentagon to pay any attention

to what he was finding was a daily struggle.

All right, sound is speeding.

This intelligence officer

worked closely with Elizondo at the Pentagon

and saw first hand the challenges he faced.

When I found out Lue was resigning

I was personally very upset.

This is my...

friend. My coworker. A mentor.

Somebody that I truly believed in.

Because she continues to work

for the Department of Defense,

she wants to remain anonymous.

Lue sees things in patterns.

And he sees the analytic piece behind

putting all of this puzzle together.

And what the various outcomes could be.

Unfortunately, he had to work through

layers of bureaucracy

that you would read about in

1960s Russia.

It doesn't matter what administration it is.

It doesn't matter who's in charge.

It's just...

"Oh, this is going to get very messy very quickly."

"I'm gonna, I'm gonna pass it along."

The government, I believe, doesn't know what to do.

They don't know how to address this.

Help us understand, how is that the people

who are entrusted with some of the most dangerous missions...

When they write a report, that is not taken seriously?

If you're...

persuing this, and very vocal, and very public about it

you won't have a career

And that's been...

stated.

It's been proven.

There is no question that it's dangerous.

Are you scared yourself...

about your own career and your own proximity to this issue?

Not going to answer that question.

Fear of being called crazy

wasn't the only roadblock

to getting Pentagon leadership to care about the issue.

Some officials that I talked to

told me that they thought there was resistance

in the Pentagon on religious grounds,

that effectively you had some

senior officers who were Christians,

who thought looking into

this kind of voodoo stuff was dangerous.

I was pulled into the office of one of these seniors.

The senior looked at me in the eye and said

"I want this program to stop."

I said well, okay, but what's the rationale?

He said well, what you're looking at

is something that is a demonic presence.

There's a faction in the government,

high up in the Pentagon,

of religious fundamentalists who are concerned

that anything paranormal or supernatural

is demonic in origin,

that flying saucers represent demons,

that if you study this,

you're inviting the devil and Satan into your world.

You're telling me to ignore it

because it goes against your philosophical belief system.

Well, that's the same shit I faced in Afghanistan

and in the Middle East.

There's no difference.

Only you're wearing a three-piece suit,

and they're carrying a Kalashnikov.

So..

I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Elizondo says his superiors' religious beliefs

hindered his mission to get the government

to take UFOs seriously.

But he and other government insiders,

including former presidential advisor John Podesta,

believe the larger political culture is to blame.

There's a natural tendency to just kind of

sweep the question away and to avoid the taboo.

We've created a culture where you really can't

do what any scientist would want to do,

any skeptic in the best sense of the word,

saying well, maybe we ought to know about it.

So imagine this for a moment.

Your job is to give the boss recommended solutions.

Imagine going now to the boss.

Sir, we have something, we don't know what it is,

we don't know how it works,

we don't know who's behind the wheel,

we don't know what their intentions are,

and by the way, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

By 2017, Elizondo had become so concerned,

that whatever these craft were,

the U.S. military had no way to defend itself

against their advanced technology.

So he tried to send a warning up the chain of command.

I realized that none of the information

and developments that we had in our program in AATIP

was being communicated to the Secretary of Defense.

Elizondo believed the threat was so great,

that it required the attention of then-Secretary of Defense

James Mattis.

There are five people I can count on this hand

that if they were to call me at four o'clock in the morning,

I would put my boots on and I'd go to war with them.

Secretary Mattis is number one.

He is truly one of the greatest Americans

I've ever had the honor and pleasure to serve with and for.

Despite being one of the military's

most experienced counterintelligence operatives,

even fighting alongside Mattis in Afghanistan

in the months after 9/11,

every attempt to get a meeting

with the Secretary of Defense was thwarted.

In this particular case you had a lot of people

that were worried about their political careers.

I attended some meetings

that Lue was present at,

trying to see how I could be helpful,

and this actually led to meetings with these

senior people who were very close to General Mattis,

and they were very sympathetic,

but they did not see a way ahead.

They did not see how they could get this

by the praetorian guard around the secretary.

This is a man who's responsible

for the safety and security of our country.

And if you don't give him the information he needs,

that is ammunition,

in order for him to make a right decision.

Despite our best efforts,

we were not successful in actually getting this issue

in front of the secretary

and letting him evaluate the evidence himself.

We've got a problem internally.

We've got blinders on.

And if we've got blinders on, baby,

you're gonna get blindsided.

On the next Unidentified.

There's a whole fleet of them, look on the ASA.

You know those voices? I know those guys.

We're just trying to figure out

what were the objects that we saw.

I've always kind of been somewhat skeptical.

I'm a lot more convinced now.

These vehicles do exist.

It was basically a cube inside a sphere.

Over 60 people have seen these things.

If people in the D.C. area knew

within minutes of their location

these unidentified vehicles are operating,

I think they would say

isn't this something we ought to pay attention to?