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Ladies and Gentlemen,
here she is now.
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Let's get together
and meet that very delightful,
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that sultry siren of the southland,
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the lovely Bettie Page.
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(crowd applauding)
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('50s beach music playing)
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Who are you?
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I'm an illusion.
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You're an illusion?
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Then you're not real?
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Of course, I'm real.
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It is very difficult
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to find a parallel for her.
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I mean, this combination of...
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naughty and nice.
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And it is all
in the context of innocence.
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She expressed sexual liberation.
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Bettie is still this subversive,
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adventurous, sexual persona
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that people are trying to emulate.
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I think it's like the confusion
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between maybe the real person
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and the artwork and the cartoons,
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like all of these...
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it's sort of confusing even
whether she was a real person or not.
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People love Bettie Page
for her whole being
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for the radiance that she exuded,
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the sexuality that she showed
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without being cheap, ever.
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And women gravitated to that concept.
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The remarkable thing about her image is
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how much it has influenced pop culture
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from movies to music
to fashion. It's remarkable.
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("Bettie Page"
by Paul Spencer playing)
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(people chattering)
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Perez Hilton: One of the things
that I love about her iconography
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is that she just portrayed
herself as a very strong woman,
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even if she was not
in the position of power.
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(women scream)
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She's lasted because
she has that rare quality
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that's sort of hard to define,
it's that sort of ultimate star quality.
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I feel like a lot of girls like me
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can identify with Bettie
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because you can
kind of capture the spirit
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of that sexy, sensual, timeless look.
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She looks fantastic
and I think that's what men prefer.
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I don't think men prefer
the really skinny, bones thin women.
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I think Bettie Page is a real woman.
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I mean she have form, boobs,
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butt, and that's very beautiful.
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I gave her a lot of credit because
she opened the door for a lot of us.
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She's the most important glamour icon
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that she really
paved the way for all the rest.
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And she's beautiful
but yet she's approachable,
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she's the girl next door.
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Bettie Page is the good girl
but she's a bad girl.
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She's fun, she's playful.
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All right, bitch, bring it.
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(all cheering)
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(screams)
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Oh, st... ah!
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I mean, she's the reason why
we're all here today
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in a sense is because of her,
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I mean, she's the original pinup girl,
she's the original.
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We're all going to be dust,
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they'll be nothing else anymore,
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and there'll always be
Bettie Page no matter what.
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She had the magic.
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She was deeply religious.
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She was willing to do
all kinds of crazy outrageous things.
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There's some rather large skeletons
in that woman's closet.
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How do you reconcile that behavior
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with the image that she projects
in these photographs?
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She reached the peak of popularity
in her profession and disappeared.
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Nobody knew
what happened to Bettie Page.
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(Avery Parrish's
"After Hours" playing)
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("Amazing Grace" playing on bagpipes)
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Bettie, if you know what's going on,
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I want to tell you this is your friend
Robert Schuller saying,
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"This too is the day that God has made.
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Let us rejoice and be glad in it."
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We all thought we knew her
from different perspectives,
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but I'm sure no one
will leave this place today
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without having had another glimpse
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into the private heart of Bettie.
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Mark Mori: Okay, Bettie,
I'll just ask you some questions.
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Bettie: Okay.
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Mark: You were born in Nashville, right?
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Bettie: I was born
in Nashville, Tennessee,
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April 22nd, 1 923.
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We were so poor, we lived on beans,
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fried potatoes, and macaroni.
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You couldn't talk to Mama,
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she didn't want
any girls in the first place.
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She always wanted only two boys.
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My father was
a womanizer of the worst sort.
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A sex fiend is the way to put it.
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I mean sex with anything that
he could get his "you know what" into.
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Chickens, and sheep,
and cows, and anything.
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And in order to get 10 cents
to go to the movies,
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I let him fool around on the outside.
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Now, he didn't penetrate me inside
like he did my two sisters.
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Mama left him and hitchhiked
30 miles to Nashville
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with six children,
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and she was uneducated,
only a third grade education,
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she had no trade at all,
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and she couldn't take care
of all six of us children,
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so my two sisters and I were put
in a Protestant orphanage for a year.
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The orphanage was run
by three old maids.
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They would talk to us like dogs,
they were very mean to us,
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and they had me
scrubbing floors all the time.
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I was only 1 1 years old then.
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We just hated that place.
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I was so glad to get out of there.
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I learned to pose
from movie star pictures
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in magazines and newspapers.
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And my sisters and I
would try to mimic their poses.
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We'd even get out in the front yard
with our underwear on.
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(Bettie laughs)
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I had several photographers
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and amateur photographers
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come up
and approach me and ask me
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if they could take pictures of me,
I always said yes.
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My dream when I was in high school
was to be Valedictorian,
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and I studied so hard
trying to be Valedictorian
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because with it was a four year
scholarship to Vanderbilt University.
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But I was beat out of Valedictorian
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by one-quarter of a point now,
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can you imagine, and I had to settle
for being Salutatorian.
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And all I got
was a $100 scholarship
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to George Peabody College
for Teachers.
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After high school,
I started dating Billy Neal.
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He was a big sports hero around town.
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And he taught me to dance,
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which I've always loved.
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And he taught me
everything about sex too,
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which I enjoyed.
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Well, when the war came on,
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he was drafted one day into the army,
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and he started bugging me
about marrying him.
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We got on the bus and went
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30 miles to Galliton, Tennessee,
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and were married in five minutes.
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And when I got on the bus
to go back with him,
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I said to myself, "What have I done?"
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Well, we were in San Francisco, 1 944.
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And this fella,
he took a lot of pictures of me
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and sent some of them
down to 20th Century Fox.
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I had a screen test with John Russell
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who later played
the lawman on a TV series.
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But that test was awful.
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They tried to make me up
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to look like Joan Crawford.
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Didn't even look like me.
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(20th Century Fox theme playing)
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While I was at the studio,
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- This big car pulled up beside me...
- (wolf whistles)
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...and a big fat guy,
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very ugly looking fella,
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wanted me to go to dinner with him.
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I told him no.
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And he said, "You'll be sorry. "
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Well, he was at the head of the table
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when I went to learn
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the results of the screen test.
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That test was awful.
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I was so disappointed and unhappy
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over the failure of the screen test,
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when I got back to San Francisco,
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I started eating.
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Within two months,
I ballooned way up to 162 pounds.
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Well, my sister came to visit me,
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Goldie, from Nashville.
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She said that the landlord,
he had cussed her out
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and accused her of causing
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the sink in the bathroom
to fall off the wall.
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I went to the door,
and boy, he flew in on me,
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beating me in the face
with his fist, just a mad man.
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And Goldie grabbed the milk bottle
and cracked him over the head with it.
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And he started bleeding
down the front of his head,
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and he thought
he was dying, and we did too.
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Because Goldie was underage,
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under 21,
I'm the one who had to testify,
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even though I'm not the one
who hit him over the head.
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But they gave me a 30-day suspended
sentence and I had to pay 10 dollars,
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and it was in the paper,
a great big picture of me
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and a big headline,
"Tenant Bashes Landlord".
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(Bettie chuckles)
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Well, Billy came back
from fighting overseas.
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He had battle fatigue,
you know, he was in the hospital,
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in the army hospital
in Guam for about six months.
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When he came home,
he wasn't the same guy.
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He was a jealous maniac.
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Accused me of sleeping
with every sailor in San Francisco,
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and he went off the deep end.
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So I tried so hard to make a go of it
with him but it was impossible.
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We were sitting in the kitchen,
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and he had a knife right at my throat,
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he was gonna cut me with it
if I divorced him.
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I went ahead
and divorced him anyhow.
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When I went to New York,
I was getting over
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my divorce from Billy Neal
and the miserable marriage.
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I liked all the lights on Broadway.
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And I liked Central Park.
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All I paid for my apartment
on West 46th Street,
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46 dollars and 29 cents a month.
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I used to go
to the Roseland ballroom.
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And then I went dancing so much.
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I was a movie fiend in those days.
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Didn't cost much of anything,
40 or 50 cents,
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something like that,
to see a double feature.
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One night, I was very lonely,
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and I was walking along Broadway,
and a good looking fella came up
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and started talking to me,
introduced himself.
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He was very polite and courteous,
seemed like a very nice fella.
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He asked me,
"Would like to go dancing?"
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I said, "Sure, I'd love to go. "
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So we got in the car,
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and he and I sat in the back,
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and the girlfriend
and the boyfriend driving.
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Well, we stopped at a red light,
and two guys jumped in the car.
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We went farther on,
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two more fellas got in the car.
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But when it hit me,
a big pain shot through me
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as we crossed that bridge and I thought,
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"We are not going dancing. "
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You can imagine
how you would have felt then
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with six men in the car
and the two women.
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The guy in front and his girlfriend
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got out of the car
and went behind the building.
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I thought real fast,
and I said I'm menstruating,
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you can't have sex with me.
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And all five
of those snakes forced me
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to perform oral sex
on every one of them.
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They could have killed me or something
and left me dead behind that school.
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I went home to Mama right away,
I was so frightened.
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Back in New York,
the first secretarial job I ever had
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in New York was
for the American Bread Company.
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I was a secretary
to the office manager.
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I had a small room up on the fifth floor
of an old brownstone house.
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(knocking on door)
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Somebody knocked
on the door around midnight.
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Woman: Who is it?
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And he said,
"Bettie, open the door, it's Billy. "
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- Woman: What do you want?
- Bettie: "Let me in. "
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A friend of mine in the next apartment,
a little fella named Jimmy,
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a 50-year-old man,
came out to the door
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and asked what was going on.
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Well, Billy told him
to mind his own business,
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and he cut
little Jimmy across the face,
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a couple of inches with a knife now.
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He was going to kill me with a knife
is what he was going to do.
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He must have left.
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He didn't come back.
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I was working
as secretary, way up high
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in the Eastern Airlines building
on the 1 2th floor,
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overlooking the skating rink
in Rockefeller Center,
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a very nice place to work.
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And that's where I met the love
of my life, Carlos Garcia Arrese.
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(laughs)
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You know I was a nut
over dancing back in those days.
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And he taught me the rumba,
and mambo, and cha-cha, and samba.
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And he was very good at it.
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Well, we dated
and we were making mad love,
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he was a very good lover.
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One night I was up at his apartment,
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all of a sudden,
a big loud knocking on the door,
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"Carlos, open up the door,
I know you're in there. "
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And she was really mad,
and I thought, oh gosh, who's that?
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And he said, "Bettie, that's my wife. "
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I said, "Your wife/"
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I never felt so low in my life,
I felt like two cents.
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I didn't want to see him again
because he had deceived me.
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But if I had known he was married
I would never have dated him.
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I always wanted
to be a fashion model.
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And I went to... let's see, what was
the name of the most famous one?
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Ford, that's it. She says, "Oh, my. "
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She says, "You would never do
as a fashion model. "
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She says, "In the first place,
you're not tall enough. "
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But she says, "More than that, "
she says, "you're too hippy. "
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You've got to be
skin and bones, you know.
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Even back then,
to be a fashion model.
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In October 1 950,
I was walking out on Coney Island.
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Nobody was on the beach in that area,
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except this black fella, Jerry Tibbs.
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He gave me his card and he said,
"I'm a Brooklyn policeman. "
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He said, "I think you'd make
a good pinup model. "
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He said, "I have a studio,
if you would come over there
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free of charge,
I'll make you up a portfolio
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that you could
take around to the studios. "
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I posed in a couple of bikinis of his.
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But he said, "Bettie, have you ever
tried to wear bangs?"
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He said, "You have a very high forehead,
I think you'd look good in bangs. "
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So I went home and cut me some.
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And I've been wearing them ever since,
its sort of been a trademark of mine,
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I'm still wearing them.
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Mark: That's that
famous Bettie Page look, isn't it?
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(Bettie laughs)
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Bettie: I think I was about 27
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when I started modeling,
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but I looked much younger.
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All of the writers and editors
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would say I was 22 years old,
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they were saying that
for years that I was 22.
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I never refuted it, I never said
anything one way or another,
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let them think what they wanted to.
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(Bettie laughs)
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The first modeling I did
was for the camera clubs.
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First one was Cass Carr
who was an orchestra leader.
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Every Sunday we'd say we're going out
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to Headly Farm
in New Jersey or some other farm,
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or we're going out to Fire Island
or Broad Channel Bay.
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Bettie Page and four other amateur
models will be with them,
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and it would cost
ten dollars or five dollars.
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Bettie: There would be maybe
30 or 40 camera club members
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and three or four models.
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We would go
on field trips, on weekends,
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upstate New York, over in New Jersey,
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on the beaches,
especially on Fire Island.
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I got 25 dollars a day.
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And we would be gone all afternoon
and they would bring lunches,
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and I enjoyed
the outings very much.
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They were always polite
and courteous to us.
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I enjoyed posing for them.
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It was absolutely fun
photographing Bettie.
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And I could tell, I think
it shows up in the photographs,
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that she enjoyed it too.
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She was happy.
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She was exhilarated.
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She projected.
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She came right out at you.
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Whereas others were just pretty.
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When she turned,
she didn't just turn and smile,
335
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her hands, her body, her feet,
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everything moved, everything moved.
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She smiled with her face,
she smiled with her whole body.
338
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And that's something very few girls got.
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Amsie: The good pinup
involves three things:
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Pose, clothes, and expression.
341
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She knew just when I said, pert, saucy,
342
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frisky, haughty, angry, sullen,
343
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whereas with many other models
I'd have to tell them,
344
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"Well, no, tilt
your head up a little bit,"
345
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"Move it up like that,"
"Raise your eyes," etcetera.
346
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She would pop up
into that right away.
347
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Bettie: I was very happy posing.
348
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And I never had any problem
349
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thinking of what to do with my body.
350
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I could think of a thousand different
poses that just came natural to me.
351
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Sometimes I would imagine
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the camera was my boyfriend.
353
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And I would play to my boyfriend.
354
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Amsie: All I do know is that
when Bettie Page was announced
355
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as being the feature model
356
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of next Sunday's shoot,
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there was a big crowd.
358
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Mark: Did the guys in the camera clubs
359
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ask you out for dates a lot?
360
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Bettie: No.
361
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Now I wouldn't date anybody
who drank or smoke.
362
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I just don't like the taste
of cigarettes on your breath,
363
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and I hate alcohol.
364
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One of the most interesting
characters in this entire story
365
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was Richard Arbib,
366
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one of her ex-boyfriends.
367
00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:15,082
He was a top designer of the '50s.
368
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Designed cars, watches,
extremely well known designer.
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Richard had split up with his wife,
370
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and met Bettie,
371
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and they had a red hot romance,
372
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they were deeply in love.
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He took her
in his two seater down to Florida.
374
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Arbib:
Well, we just decided we'd take off
375
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and go to Florida for three weeks.
376
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She wanted to have sex with me
in the car and I said,
377
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"If you're going to do that, I've got
to stop 'cause I'll go off the road. "
378
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So she's going away at me,
379
00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,598
and all of a sudden
there's a flashlight in the door,
380
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it was raining cats and dogs,
there's a state trooper there.
381
00:24:02,174 --> 00:24:05,439
And I thought he was going to arrest us
for having sex in the car.
382
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:11,515
All he said was, "You all know
you've got one tail light out. "
383
00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:15,484
Bettie had a very normal sex life.
384
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She wasn't inhibited,
she wasn't hung up in any way at all.
385
00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:22,823
She liked sex
and she was very good at it.
386
00:24:22,928 --> 00:24:26,329
Theakson: Arbib told me
he designed a watch for Bettie.
387
00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:29,298
It was a custom made piece
for Bettie Page.
388
00:24:29,401 --> 00:24:32,302
He was renowned for his watches.
389
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,774
This was a unique
one of a kind piece.
390
00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:42,336
He presented it to her
and she wore it proudly.
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00:24:42,447 --> 00:24:46,178
And for some reason,
Richard decided that
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he was going to give it
one more shot with his wife,
393
00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:50,621
and it didn't work out with his wife,
394
00:24:50,722 --> 00:24:52,747
and when he came back,
Bettie was gone.
395
00:24:52,858 --> 00:24:56,760
And that was the regret of his life.
396
00:24:58,363 --> 00:25:02,299
All of the guys that I knew
that met this woman,
397
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,736
had this, "The one that got away"
ennui about them.
398
00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:14,144
She wasn't just a pretty face with
nothing behind it, she was not a facade.
399
00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:16,146
She had a high IQ.
400
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:20,651
And had a great range
of things that interested her.
401
00:25:23,488 --> 00:25:24,955
Bettie:
I used to make a lot of my clothes.
402
00:25:25,056 --> 00:25:28,583
I made all my bikinis,
most of my lingerie.
403
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,661
I enjoyed making them.
404
00:25:33,064 --> 00:25:36,363
Bettie used to design stuff.
405
00:25:36,468 --> 00:25:38,402
She could have made a fortune.
406
00:25:38,503 --> 00:25:42,269
'Cause she had an eye for it,
she knew what was sexy.
407
00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:46,572
Bettie: Bikinis were never heard of
on the beaches in this country.
408
00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:48,612
(big band music playing)
409
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:50,704
Male announcer: Don't know what
the wild waves are saying,
410
00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:53,841
but the gals are talking about
the latest thing in swimming attire.
411
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,944
A suit with a built in girdle.
412
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,353
Bettie: I made them real skimpy.
413
00:25:59,457 --> 00:26:01,789
It was considered very risque.
414
00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:06,929
One of the jobs I had in New York
415
00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:09,626
was with a couple
down in Greenwich Village.
416
00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:13,568
Well, they had me bring
every one of my costumes,
417
00:26:13,672 --> 00:26:15,697
especially all my bikinis.
418
00:26:15,807 --> 00:26:20,005
And I wondered why they had me
change costumes so many times.
419
00:26:22,213 --> 00:26:25,114
And then they had taken my designs
420
00:26:25,216 --> 00:26:27,150
from the pictures they'd took of me
421
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:29,777
and had them
manufactured under my name
422
00:26:29,888 --> 00:26:33,756
and selling them
as "Bettie Page's Bikinis" now.
423
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,663
I should have sued them or something,
but I didn't do anything about it.
424
00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:55,302
The first bona fide
commercial work I did
425
00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:59,179
was for Robert Harrison's magazines.
426
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,411
You know,
he had five or six girly books.
427
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:06,684
Wink, Titter, Flirt, Beauty Parade.
428
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:09,123
They had four
or five writers in the back room
429
00:27:09,227 --> 00:27:13,027
that made up all kinds
of crazy things we had to act out.
430
00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:16,760
But one thing I didn't like
and none of the other girls did either,
431
00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:21,828
Robert Harrison insisted
that our breasts be taped.
432
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:24,500
He was a nut about the cleavage.
433
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:27,009
I'd have to hold my breasts together,
434
00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:30,639
and they put a great big thick
two-inches wide tape,
435
00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:32,649
all the way across.
436
00:27:32,751 --> 00:27:34,548
I hated that.
437
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,588
Mr. Harrison said,
"Bettie, I want you to represent
438
00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:39,987
my magazines at the artists ball. "
439
00:27:40,091 --> 00:27:43,549
They have a contest
for the best costume.
440
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,324
And guess what I was wearing?
441
00:27:46,431 --> 00:27:50,891
Just two telephone dials,
one over this breast, one over this,
442
00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,095
and a suggestion box,
443
00:27:53,204 --> 00:27:55,229
and black net stockings up to the waist,
444
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:59,208
and that was it, and I won it that year,
445
00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:01,938
and I got a whole set
of Revere kitchen ware.
446
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,810
(Bettie laughs)
447
00:28:04,616 --> 00:28:06,811
(patriotic classical music playing)
448
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,215
Announcer: Estes Kefauver of the Senate
crime investigation fame
449
00:28:12,323 --> 00:28:14,382
brings the Democratic
political pot to boil
450
00:28:14,492 --> 00:28:17,620
by announcing his candidacy
for the presidential nomination.
451
00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,398
Bettie: Senator Estes Kefauver.
452
00:28:21,499 --> 00:28:23,194
He's from my home state, you know.
453
00:28:23,301 --> 00:28:26,429
He was trying to drum up votes,
454
00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,472
and get the public on his side,
455
00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:33,203
by going after juvenile delinquency
and pornography.
456
00:28:33,311 --> 00:28:37,270
What I expected,
having served in World War Il,
457
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:41,011
which I thought was a fight
for democracy and liberation,
458
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,110
what I expected after World War II was
459
00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:46,622
something like what I perceived
as the "Roaring '20s" was like
460
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:49,125
after World War l, a huge celebration.
461
00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:53,830
And what we actually got
was repression.
462
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,764
Repression on several fronts,
463
00:28:58,870 --> 00:29:01,395
it was social and sexual and political.
464
00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:04,805
Man: Are you now or have you ever been
a member of the Communist Party?
465
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:07,434
The thing that
the American people can do
466
00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:12,005
is to be vigilant, day and night.
467
00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:15,553
To make sure
they don't have communists
468
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:19,851
teaching the sons
and daughters of America.
469
00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,086
We have an image of the fifties
as a time when everything was placid
470
00:29:23,194 --> 00:29:26,561
and everybody lived in
a sort of Ozzie and Harriet life,
471
00:29:26,664 --> 00:29:29,758
but going on
at the same time in the culture
472
00:29:29,868 --> 00:29:32,428
was an enormous amount of fear
473
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:35,199
of infiltration of new things
474
00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:37,900
that were going
to undermine and infect the culture,
475
00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:41,308
and make
the youth of America delinquents,
476
00:29:41,412 --> 00:29:43,141
as the term that had been invented.
477
00:29:43,248 --> 00:29:45,614
And a lot of it focused on pornography.
478
00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,015
Male announcer:
The peddling of obscene books,
479
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,383
a furtive and despicable occupation
480
00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:52,285
has become a lucrative sideline
481
00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,188
for unscrupulous shopkeepers
in some high school neighborhoods.
482
00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:57,818
Smith: People basically,
I think, felt that anything
483
00:29:57,929 --> 00:29:59,829
that got people sexually
excited was a bad thing.
484
00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,230
I mean, even to talk about sex
in the 1 950s was a taboo.
485
00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:08,165
The Postmaster General
had a very visible campaign
486
00:30:08,273 --> 00:30:11,504
of trying to suppress
the use of the mails
487
00:30:11,609 --> 00:30:13,907
to deliver sexually explicit materials.
488
00:30:14,012 --> 00:30:16,242
Postal inspectors could open your mail,
489
00:30:16,347 --> 00:30:17,541
they could confiscate it,
490
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:19,844
they could come
and do raids on your premises
491
00:30:19,951 --> 00:30:21,714
to keep you from mailing
material at another time.
492
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,811
Of course they could
turn you over to the prosecution.
493
00:30:23,922 --> 00:30:29,189
So they had a great deal
of power at their disposal.
494
00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:33,424
Anything that would be
perceived as being lewd,
495
00:30:33,531 --> 00:30:35,863
a term pretty broad,
496
00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:38,299
could be treated as a crime
497
00:30:38,403 --> 00:30:40,132
if you circulated it through the mail.
498
00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:43,639
And certainly nudity alone
was considered enough to be obscene
499
00:30:43,741 --> 00:30:46,437
by the standards
of the authorities at the time.
500
00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:51,442
Bettie: I don't even believe God
disapproves of nudity,
501
00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:54,211
after all, he put Adam and Eve
502
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,686
in the Garden of Eden
naked as jaybirds.
503
00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:02,618
As a part of posing for the camera club,
504
00:31:02,727 --> 00:31:04,888
most of it was in bikinis,
505
00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:06,725
but sometimes there would be
506
00:31:06,831 --> 00:31:08,731
a few shots topless.
507
00:31:23,748 --> 00:31:26,273
Theakson: Bettie Page was very sexual,
508
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,875
but in a very free
and innocent kind of way.
509
00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:31,788
She's gorgeous
510
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:35,758
and she makes you feel good.
511
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:38,852
She makes direct eye contact with you,
512
00:31:38,963 --> 00:31:42,228
and it's engaging.
513
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,960
I've seen her work
514
00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:47,469
with some very shy newcomers,
515
00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,904
and actually help them out.
516
00:31:50,008 --> 00:31:53,205
Bettie would suggest something,
"How 'bout this one,
517
00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:55,108
how 'bout this one,
how 'bout this one?"
518
00:31:55,213 --> 00:31:57,374
And that way she would
get him out of his shell.
519
00:32:04,188 --> 00:32:08,056
Theakson: Bettie is sexuality
in it's sparkly, cleanest,
520
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,424
most beautiful, charming, smilingest.
521
00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:16,863
Theakson: But there was some discussion
522
00:32:16,968 --> 00:32:20,563
about the kind of women
523
00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:22,162
that would do camera club shoots
524
00:32:22,273 --> 00:32:26,004
because primarily they were nude,
totally nude shoots.
525
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,078
And Bettie would say,
526
00:32:28,179 --> 00:32:30,977
"Whenever there was
a shoot that I was attending,
527
00:32:31,082 --> 00:32:35,314
where things started
getting sketchy, I got out of there. "
528
00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:40,422
Amsie: Everybody would have
liked to date Bettie Page,
529
00:32:40,525 --> 00:32:43,358
but nobody made the moves.
530
00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:47,056
Mark: Are there any boyfriends
of Bettie that you know of,
531
00:32:47,165 --> 00:32:49,190
that you've talked to her
that you know of?
532
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,928
I talked to a lot of guys,
533
00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:56,302
not only photographers, but her lovers.
534
00:32:56,407 --> 00:32:58,170
Charles West was one of them.
535
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:01,507
Apparently met her
through a camera club.
536
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:08,184
He did a notorious series
of photographs with Bettie.
537
00:33:08,286 --> 00:33:11,687
Charles West: One day, a Saturday,
she and I were walking
538
00:33:11,789 --> 00:33:13,848
down 5th Ave. At Rockefeller Center.
539
00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:17,621
She wore that same
tight translucent sweater.
540
00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:22,393
We were on our way to a shooting session
in the Time Life building.
541
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,095
You should have seen the swiveling
heads, both male and female.
542
00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,138
My God, wasn't she beautiful.
543
00:33:28,239 --> 00:33:30,104
Gorgeous.
544
00:33:30,208 --> 00:33:32,904
My photos were taken very privately,
545
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,946
I never intended
for any of them to be published.
546
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:38,811
God gave her a lovely body
and she knew it.
547
00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,510
As a model,
she used it to full advantage.
548
00:33:46,824 --> 00:33:50,692
Her body was
absolutely without blemish,
549
00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:54,060
and everything
550
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:56,224
exactly right in proportion.
551
00:33:57,301 --> 00:34:00,236
And that was the same with her face,
and you put the two together,
552
00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:03,171
and you had
just about the perfect woman.
553
00:34:04,442 --> 00:34:07,900
There was also a very sheer
pair of white panties.
554
00:34:10,314 --> 00:34:14,944
Also, super long black
opera length gloves.
555
00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:20,154
She was absolutely pure,
556
00:34:20,258 --> 00:34:22,317
plain and natural.
557
00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:25,362
And of course she shows up
that way in her photographs.
558
00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:29,160
And I just think
you see the real girl there.
559
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,835
No one ever dominated Betts,
560
00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,031
either physically or psychologically.
561
00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:39,632
She was her own person and she never
could have mistreated anyone.
562
00:34:43,881 --> 00:34:47,578
Yes, she and I made love.
563
00:34:47,718 --> 00:34:50,084
And she was marvelous.
564
00:34:50,188 --> 00:34:54,124
She's an extraordinary creature.
565
00:34:54,225 --> 00:34:56,557
My memories of Betts are ever present.
566
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,020
Nudity back then was, was very unusual.
567
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,759
That was '52,
568
00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:39,598
a time of restrictive sexuality.
569
00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:42,002
You talked
to your friends in college even,
570
00:35:42,106 --> 00:35:45,507
and the fellow
who had been sexually active
571
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:47,635
was the unusual guy.
572
00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:49,770
Know when and how
573
00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,473
you're going to say "no".
574
00:35:51,582 --> 00:35:55,143
Take the case of the girl
who finds herself in this situation.
575
00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:57,448
Girl in car:
Say, is anybody else hungry?
576
00:35:57,555 --> 00:36:01,753
How about it you two, couldn't we go
someplace for something to eat?
577
00:36:04,262 --> 00:36:07,595
Heinlein: I was on my way
into the army at that time,
578
00:36:07,698 --> 00:36:09,563
on my way to Korea eventually.
579
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:14,001
So I thought it was a time
to have a little bit of fun.
580
00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:19,070
Bettie:
We were upstate New York on a farm.
581
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,273
Mark: But maybe this have been
your first opportunity
582
00:36:24,382 --> 00:36:26,612
to see a woman without
much clothes on?
583
00:36:26,717 --> 00:36:28,912
Ah, that's not a bad guess.
584
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:32,717
(laughter)
585
00:36:32,823 --> 00:36:36,315
Heinlein: The photographers
all sort of gravitated to Bettie Page.
586
00:36:36,427 --> 00:36:38,691
You were drawn as if by a magnet.
587
00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:41,026
She lit up the place.
588
00:36:41,132 --> 00:36:42,929
I don't think
anybody can really explain
589
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:47,471
why some people
have that kind of charisma.
590
00:36:47,572 --> 00:36:51,303
It was kind of
a revolution for me really
591
00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:55,436
to see that openness.
592
00:36:56,614 --> 00:36:58,844
Bettie: Somebody went
to the police about it,
593
00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:02,181
some old fogy no doubt,
went to the police and said
594
00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:04,948
we were running around
in the woods nude out there.
595
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:06,921
And here came a squad car.
596
00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:10,960
Man: Calling car 6 and 7 eighths,
car 6 and 7 eighths.
597
00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,053
Heinlein:
Here they are coming with drawn guns,
598
00:37:13,164 --> 00:37:15,962
coming on a bunch of photographers.
599
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:19,161
I mean, what were we going to do?
600
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:22,762
I mean, this is absolute nonsense.
601
00:37:22,873 --> 00:37:26,809
And they said, "Also, take
the pictures out of your cameras."
602
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,004
I opened the back of the camera.
603
00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:31,274
The counter, which may have been,
604
00:37:31,382 --> 00:37:33,441
say on film number 5,
605
00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:35,485
well, I snapped back to zero.
606
00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:38,714
I immediately closed the camera
and thought to myself,
607
00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:42,350
why not try to keep
608
00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:44,860
what films I have in the camera.
609
00:37:44,962 --> 00:37:46,759
And I showed it to one
of the deputies and I said,
610
00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:50,027
"Look, you see, the counter's on zero,
611
00:37:50,134 --> 00:37:52,659
but to tell you the truth
I have a new roll in there,
612
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,965
I'd rather not expose it
by opening the back. "
613
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,666
I said, "Okay if I keep it that way?"
614
00:37:57,775 --> 00:37:58,901
And he said sure.
615
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:02,639
But I didn't come upon the idea
of holding onto those photos
616
00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:04,840
until I saw it snap back to zero.
617
00:38:34,912 --> 00:38:36,777
The charming thing was that
618
00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:39,940
a little kitten wandered by.
619
00:38:40,051 --> 00:38:42,281
And she picked it up,
620
00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:44,149
and she held it to her breast.
621
00:38:44,288 --> 00:38:47,086
I found that exquisite.
622
00:38:47,191 --> 00:38:51,685
And I did take a picture of that
but half of it was destroyed.
623
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,935
One of the deputies said something,
624
00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:08,238
which was rather nasty,
625
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,906
but I do remember her saying,
626
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:14,075
"Don't you talk to me like that.
627
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,312
I won't have it. "
628
00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:17,785
And I think she had more courage
629
00:39:17,888 --> 00:39:21,153
than the dozen and a half
photographers that were there.
630
00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:24,227
They decided to charge the guys
for disturbing the peace,
631
00:39:24,328 --> 00:39:27,491
and the girls for indecent exposure.
632
00:39:27,598 --> 00:39:30,533
Heinlein:
She was just terribly offended by it.
633
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:32,898
Menning:
Bettie says, "I'm not indecent.
634
00:39:33,003 --> 00:39:35,801
I will not plead guilty to that. "
635
00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:37,806
Bettie:
And we sat there in the anteroom,
636
00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:40,433
outside the court room for five hours.
637
00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:44,005
(Menning speaking)
638
00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:56,659
Theakson: Bettie demanded
that this release form be rewritten
639
00:39:56,761 --> 00:40:00,219
so that it didn't say
"indecent exposure".
640
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:06,899
Bettie: And the judge warned us
641
00:40:07,004 --> 00:40:08,972
never to come in his county again.
642
00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:10,630
(Bettie chuckles)
643
00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:14,609
Theakson: Her being put in jail
because she was posing,
644
00:40:14,712 --> 00:40:17,203
making a living,
gave her pause for thought.
645
00:40:17,314 --> 00:40:19,942
She really had never considered
that it could happen to her.
646
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:23,611
And in fact, it was an alarm
to wake her up to the fact
647
00:40:23,721 --> 00:40:26,690
that a lot of people
did not like what she was doing.
648
00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:30,518
(dramatic classical music playing)
649
00:40:30,628 --> 00:40:34,860
On Friday, we shall continue
the investigation of the relationship
650
00:40:34,965 --> 00:40:38,366
of pornographic
materials to delinquency.
651
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,234
Hefner: In the 1 950s,
652
00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:43,670
the repression
was coming from the government.
653
00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:47,005
And it also involved Kefauver
and his investigations,
654
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,511
in terms of pornography and crime.
655
00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,808
You couldn't sell in many places
656
00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:56,979
a magazine that had the kinds of nudity
657
00:40:57,087 --> 00:41:00,215
that we see in a modern Playboy.
658
00:41:00,324 --> 00:41:02,690
That was considered going too far.
659
00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:06,490
Bettie: I never had any bad feelings
660
00:41:06,597 --> 00:41:08,189
about posing in the nude
661
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,598
or semi-nude outfits.
662
00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:14,967
I found out I could make
more money posing in two hours
663
00:41:15,072 --> 00:41:17,666
than I'd make all week as a secretary.
664
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,608
All the girls
who worked for Robert Harrison
665
00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:25,170
would end up posing for Irving Klaw.
666
00:41:25,282 --> 00:41:29,013
He had a big business,
he and his sister Paula,
667
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,316
selling movie star pictures
before they got into, locally,
668
00:41:32,423 --> 00:41:35,415
shooting models in New York.
669
00:41:35,526 --> 00:41:38,461
And one of the cameramen
brought her in and said,
670
00:41:38,562 --> 00:41:41,929
she's a super model, she works well,
671
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:44,762
and she's a love, give her a shot.
672
00:41:44,869 --> 00:41:47,099
And we did.
You should have seen her then.
673
00:41:47,204 --> 00:41:49,695
The long black hair
and always smiling,
674
00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:53,607
giggling and whatever,
she was so great to work with.
675
00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:57,180
She loved posing.
676
00:42:03,454 --> 00:42:06,787
Bettie: Irving Klaw,
he was a real sweet fella.
677
00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:09,655
He was a big fat chubby guy.
678
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,354
And he was sort of short
and he was almost bald.
679
00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:15,091
But he was so nice.
680
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,396
He never made any passes
at the women or anything.
681
00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:21,596
They would bring food there,
sandwiches and all for us.
682
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:24,435
They were always
very generous about that.
683
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:28,308
Paula Klaw: He got some of the ideas
from some of the customers.
684
00:42:28,412 --> 00:42:30,937
And he would sort of talk to me about,
685
00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:33,107
"What do you think of this
and what do you think of that",
686
00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:36,015
and between the two of us
we'd figure it out.
687
00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:40,382
In some of her earliest
Irving Klaw photos,
688
00:42:40,491 --> 00:42:42,015
Bettie looked a little gawky.
689
00:42:42,126 --> 00:42:44,526
But Klaw would give her
a set of these photos.
690
00:42:44,628 --> 00:42:47,961
She could summarize
what she was doing right
691
00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:49,327
and what she was doing wrong,
692
00:42:49,433 --> 00:42:52,163
and I think she became
a much better model.
693
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:55,704
Paula Klaw:
She liked being in front of the camera.
694
00:42:55,806 --> 00:42:57,865
She enjoyed her body.
695
00:42:57,975 --> 00:42:59,636
She liked the way she looked.
696
00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,301
She liked her hair.
697
00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:03,642
She enjoyed herself.
698
00:43:05,182 --> 00:43:07,309
She never cried about anything...
699
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:09,477
"It's too tight, " "It's too loose, "
700
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,578
"Don't do that, " or anything.
701
00:43:11,689 --> 00:43:14,590
She was just a super lady to work with.
702
00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:19,720
Bettie: Irving said I was
his most famous model that he ever had,
703
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:23,459
and he had some
1,500 pictures of me going.
704
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:27,264
A lot of them to service men.
705
00:43:28,739 --> 00:43:31,606
Paula Klaw: We made this set
of pictures, we'd advertise it,
706
00:43:31,709 --> 00:43:35,167
and we noticed the increase in sales.
707
00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,907
Bettie: One of the biggest sellers
708
00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:39,505
is a picture of me wearing
709
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,814
my little leopard-skin bikini,
and I'm looking real mean,
710
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,651
holding this whip
with one foot up on a stool
711
00:43:46,757 --> 00:43:49,885
and a cigarette dangling
out the side of my mouth.
712
00:43:49,994 --> 00:43:51,962
And the teenagers.
713
00:43:52,062 --> 00:43:55,657
Irving said that's
their favorite picture of me now.
714
00:43:55,766 --> 00:43:57,529
You know, I never smoked.
715
00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:58,829
(Bettie laughs)
716
00:43:58,936 --> 00:44:00,563
I hate cigarettes.
717
00:44:00,671 --> 00:44:05,131
Well, I shot stills but there was
more money into making films
718
00:44:05,242 --> 00:44:08,040
so we started with the 16mm,
719
00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:09,874
because that was
very popular at that time.
720
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:12,039
("Curves of Bettie Page" playing)
721
00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:23,118
Well, she's a drama queen
from a golden age
722
00:44:23,227 --> 00:44:25,593
Talking about
the curves of Bettie Page
723
00:44:25,696 --> 00:44:28,256
Flinging through
the pages though, I just can't wait
724
00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:30,526
She's the kind of woman
that I want to date
725
00:44:30,634 --> 00:44:33,034
Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie
726
00:44:33,137 --> 00:44:35,230
Oh, Bettie, Uh-huh-huh
727
00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:37,739
Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie
728
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:40,173
Oh, Bettie, yeah
729
00:44:40,277 --> 00:44:42,643
I'm gonna run to you, girl,
I'm on the rampage
730
00:44:42,746 --> 00:44:45,544
Just want Bettie, Bettie Page, yeah/
731
00:44:47,251 --> 00:44:48,582
(whip cracks)
732
00:44:53,223 --> 00:44:54,349
(whip cracks)
733
00:44:58,429 --> 00:45:00,397
Bettie: Seven inch heels,
734
00:45:00,497 --> 00:45:03,762
one pair, that he kept for me only,
735
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:05,732
that fitted me just fine
that I could wiggle around,
736
00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:08,236
and move around,
and kick around in those.
737
00:45:08,338 --> 00:45:11,739
Menning: Yeah, Bettie could walk great
in high heels, unlike most girls.
738
00:45:11,842 --> 00:45:14,538
Most girls, they could
walk in high heels,
739
00:45:14,645 --> 00:45:17,375
some of them,
but they didn't look natural.
740
00:45:17,481 --> 00:45:18,948
Bettie, she could move in 'em just like,
741
00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:22,018
just like she was in moccasins.
742
00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:32,425
Paula Klaw: My brother
would set it up and I would direct,
743
00:45:32,529 --> 00:45:33,996
and I worked the 16mm.
744
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:38,500
Male announcer:
Teaserama is a complete,
745
00:45:38,602 --> 00:45:40,297
all new burlesque show,
746
00:45:40,404 --> 00:45:43,066
filmed in beautiful new Eastman Color.
747
00:45:43,173 --> 00:45:47,439
Teaserama features the world's
most beautiful, exotic girls.
748
00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:52,405
Tempest Storm is the girl
with a 40-plus bust,
749
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:55,144
who goes 3D two better/
750
00:45:55,252 --> 00:46:00,155
So big, we had to use
wide screen to film Teaserama.
751
00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:05,320
Bettie Page,
the nation's top pinup queen.
752
00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:09,866
There's sexy seconds
to every minute in Teaserama.
753
00:46:11,835 --> 00:46:16,704
Bettie: In one of them starring
Tempest Storm, I played her maid.
754
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,768
And I also introduced the acts
755
00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:24,313
wearing my bikinis and other costumes.
756
00:46:29,753 --> 00:46:33,120
And then I did a little dance number.
757
00:46:33,223 --> 00:46:35,987
It was a nothing tap dance I made up
758
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:40,553
within a half an hour
before the movie was to be shot.
759
00:46:40,664 --> 00:46:44,327
Paula Klaw: There was no sex
in those movies that we shot.
760
00:46:44,434 --> 00:46:46,368
It was just fun.
761
00:46:48,372 --> 00:46:51,500
Bettie: Irving Klaw would pay me $1 50
762
00:46:51,608 --> 00:46:53,337
every time I did one of these movies.
763
00:46:53,443 --> 00:46:57,573
And I would take the money
and go to visit my mother in Pittsburgh,
764
00:46:57,681 --> 00:46:59,581
or my brothers in Nashville,
765
00:46:59,683 --> 00:47:02,083
or my sister in Coral Gables.
766
00:47:07,391 --> 00:47:11,293
Bettie happened to be in Miami
on a little vacation.
767
00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:13,420
And she gave me a call.
768
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:15,555
And she said she was
a New York model.
769
00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:18,100
And I said, "Oh,"
and I was very impressed.
770
00:47:18,202 --> 00:47:20,329
Bettie: I posed for Bunny
771
00:47:20,437 --> 00:47:24,134
in Florida in the spring of 1 954.
772
00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:27,677
She had just started out
as a photographer,
773
00:47:27,778 --> 00:47:29,837
she used to be a pinup model.
774
00:47:29,947 --> 00:47:32,541
I said, "You do pinup modeling?"
775
00:47:32,649 --> 00:47:34,276
And she says, "I do nudes, too."
776
00:47:34,384 --> 00:47:37,785
And when I heard that
she did nudes, I was really excited
777
00:47:37,888 --> 00:47:39,753
because I had never photographed
778
00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:42,018
a professional nude model before.
779
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:46,391
So I told her to come on over,
I would use her sight unseen.
780
00:47:48,298 --> 00:47:51,096
Bettie was so perfect in every way.
781
00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:55,797
It would be hard for anybody
to take a bad picture of Bettie.
782
00:47:55,906 --> 00:47:57,396
Bettie: Because she was a woman,
783
00:47:57,507 --> 00:48:01,409
I felt more comfortable
posing in the nude for Bunny.
784
00:48:01,511 --> 00:48:04,708
And we'd go out there
about 7:00 in the morning
785
00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:09,149
before anybody came on the beaches
and do our shooting then.
786
00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,017
("Casbah" by
Los Straightjackets playing)
787
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:17,556
Bunny: We worked so well together
because she caught on
788
00:48:17,661 --> 00:48:19,925
to what I was trying to get out of her.
789
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:24,023
And she just played like she was
a teenager in front of the camera,
790
00:48:24,134 --> 00:48:26,830
and followed
every direction I gave her.
791
00:48:26,937 --> 00:48:28,370
And that was a thrill too,
792
00:48:28,472 --> 00:48:33,466
because I had not worked
with somebody that professional before.
793
00:48:34,011 --> 00:48:37,139
You knew she was trying
to look her very best.
794
00:48:37,247 --> 00:48:39,511
She would work on her tan
795
00:48:39,616 --> 00:48:42,676
and sunbathe the nude
for a certain time everyday
796
00:48:42,786 --> 00:48:45,380
so that her skin would be so glorious.
797
00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:50,289
Bettie had a different torso
than most girls.
798
00:48:50,394 --> 00:48:52,988
Her bone structure there,
799
00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:54,495
close to her waistline,
800
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:58,227
went way in to a very tiny waist.
801
00:48:58,335 --> 00:49:01,930
And there are very few girls
that are built like that.
802
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,634
Bettie: I was 36-24-37.
803
00:49:05,742 --> 00:49:09,678
I worked out
at the health club three times a week.
804
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,941
I've always liked to exercise.
805
00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:15,644
I wanted to keep in shape
for my modeling.
806
00:49:17,521 --> 00:49:20,786
Bunny: She lied to me about her age.
807
00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:24,486
She told me she was 24 when she posed
for me but she was much older.
808
00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:26,459
I think that she was 32.
809
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:33,261
We shot pictures at Kiddie Land Park.
810
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:35,099
And I put her in a bikini
811
00:49:35,205 --> 00:49:37,230
and shot her on the merry-go-round
812
00:49:37,341 --> 00:49:39,309
and all these stupid rides.
813
00:49:39,409 --> 00:49:42,105
And she, she had a ball, you know.
814
00:49:42,212 --> 00:49:45,272
We had to go
before they opened up at 10:00
815
00:49:45,382 --> 00:49:49,910
because I was getting worried
with the briefness of the bathing suits.
816
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:54,286
I was a little scared and I thought,
"Bettie, we might get arrested.
817
00:49:54,391 --> 00:49:56,291
How do you feel about that?"
818
00:49:56,393 --> 00:49:59,692
And he says, "Oh, I wouldn't
want to, but you know.
819
00:49:59,796 --> 00:50:01,286
What are we going to do?"
820
00:50:01,398 --> 00:50:04,424
So we just took our chances.
821
00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:07,765
So they're very sensual pictures.
822
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,064
Very sexy.
823
00:50:13,643 --> 00:50:15,406
(boat motor humming)
824
00:50:17,914 --> 00:50:20,940
Bunny: We went out on the boat
and it was late in the afternoon,
825
00:50:21,051 --> 00:50:24,384
and the sun was already getting low.
826
00:50:24,488 --> 00:50:28,049
But that made for
good shadowing of Bettie's body
827
00:50:28,158 --> 00:50:30,752
for some beautiful nudes on the boat.
828
00:50:30,861 --> 00:50:33,921
And she actually caught a fish
while I was shooting her.
829
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:36,056
It was unbelievable.
830
00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:38,691
I had never seen anybody
catch a fish so fast.
831
00:50:38,802 --> 00:50:40,770
We must have been in good waters.
832
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:44,671
But that picture that you see
of Bettie holding the fish up.
833
00:50:44,775 --> 00:50:46,208
That was for real.
834
00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,240
While we were shooting
some pinups on the beach one day,
835
00:50:50,347 --> 00:50:53,748
I asked Bettie,
"Are you afraid of wild animals?"
836
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:56,683
(tribal music playing)
837
00:50:56,787 --> 00:50:59,620
Bunny: I had seen
too many Tarzan movies, I think.
838
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:03,955
Bettie: She set up a session
for me up in Boca Raton
839
00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:07,758
at Little Africa
to pose with the animals.
840
00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:12,693
Bunny: When you come into Africa USA,
841
00:51:12,803 --> 00:51:15,772
they had a greeter at the gate,
842
00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:17,669
dressed all up like a native.
843
00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:20,368
I said, "Would you like to take
some pictures with my model?"
844
00:51:20,477 --> 00:51:23,002
He said, "Sure. "
He was happy about that.
845
00:51:24,181 --> 00:51:26,706
Bettie: I was very fond
of my one-piece outfit
846
00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,843
that I made
with the scallops and high bottoms.
847
00:51:29,953 --> 00:51:31,887
I was dressed just like a cheetah.
848
00:51:31,988 --> 00:51:34,115
There wasn't much to the bottom of it,
849
00:51:34,224 --> 00:51:38,320
but maybe that was
the most alluring part of it.
850
00:51:38,428 --> 00:51:40,623
I was very proud of that design.
851
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:42,755
(Bettie laughs)
852
00:51:44,734 --> 00:51:48,170
Bettie: The pictures that sold the most
were with two cheetahs.
853
00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:49,898
Beautiful animals.
854
00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:53,601
They had been sick the night before
855
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:55,871
and they were in a bad temper.
856
00:51:55,979 --> 00:51:58,812
I was afraid to be around 'em.
857
00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:04,487
Bunny: The trainer said, "Please,
don't let go of that chain, Bettie,
858
00:52:04,588 --> 00:52:06,112
because if they run,
859
00:52:06,223 --> 00:52:08,817
they run 55 miles and hour
and they'll be gone. "
860
00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:12,522
She kept control,
861
00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:14,494
and we got great pictures.
862
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:19,868
All my life I had worshiped
863
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,201
these pinup girls
on the calendars, and I thought,
864
00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:26,707
"I'd love to shoot a calendar
of someone as beautiful as Bettie. "
865
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:30,610
And I thought, the holiday season
will be coming up soon.
866
00:52:30,714 --> 00:52:34,878
And I had
this little white Christmas Tree.
867
00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:37,510
And I had her pose,
868
00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:40,385
kneeling on a white shag rug.
869
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:43,323
Bettie: I didn't know that Bunny Yeager
870
00:52:43,426 --> 00:52:48,386
was going to send pictures
to Mr. Hefner for Playboy Magazine.
871
00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:51,433
Hefner: She was Miss January of 1 955,
872
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:55,266
but Bettie had a fame
that kind of coincided
873
00:52:55,372 --> 00:52:59,433
and predated
her appearance in Playboy.
874
00:52:59,543 --> 00:53:01,943
Bettie:
You know, that little Santa Claus hat
875
00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:04,309
and I'm winking,
and I'm sitting on my knees
876
00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:09,943
with a little Christmas Tree ball
covering "you know where".
877
00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:11,520
(Bettie laughs)
878
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:17,521
She had a very unique look
and also a very unique attitude.
879
00:53:25,168 --> 00:53:26,863
Bettie: Back in New York,
880
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:28,733
you couldn't work for Irving
881
00:53:28,838 --> 00:53:32,535
without doing about an hour
or an hour and a half of bondage,
882
00:53:32,642 --> 00:53:34,507
or you didn't get paid.
883
00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:47,684
Bondage, I'm noted for being
884
00:53:47,791 --> 00:53:50,760
the number one
bondage queen, they call me.
885
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,725
(Bettie laughs)
886
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,007
Most of the work came
887
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:08,976
from requests he would get in the mail,
888
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,274
from doctors, lawyers,
889
00:54:11,381 --> 00:54:13,076
businessmen,
890
00:54:13,183 --> 00:54:16,710
men up in high society even,
891
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:19,311
wanted all of these things.
892
00:54:22,292 --> 00:54:25,318
Paula Klaw: One was a big official
in the government
893
00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:28,522
and one guy was a big lawyer.
894
00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:30,691
Mark: Are either
of these guys still alive?
895
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,563
No, I don't think so.
896
00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:34,660
So you care to say who they were?
897
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:36,636
No. Promises.
898
00:54:37,941 --> 00:54:40,273
Paula Klaw: The guy came in
with all the rubber outfits.
899
00:54:40,377 --> 00:54:42,106
And there was leather.
900
00:54:42,212 --> 00:54:44,976
There's a big leather fetish out there.
901
00:54:45,081 --> 00:54:47,982
Men wanted her with the boots on.
902
00:54:48,084 --> 00:54:51,918
Pay for it,
bring the costumes, we'll do it.
903
00:54:53,456 --> 00:54:57,222
Bettie: For some reason,
men like to see girls,
904
00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,124
one spanking the other one.
905
00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:01,197
Why, I don't know.
906
00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:05,792
And they liked
to see women helpless, tied up.
907
00:55:05,902 --> 00:55:08,268
I never thought it was anything strange.
908
00:55:10,206 --> 00:55:14,643
Theakson: Bettie had not been exposed
to this type of culture.
909
00:55:14,744 --> 00:55:17,941
She was instructed
that this is what the job was.
910
00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:19,515
To her it was acting.
911
00:55:19,616 --> 00:55:22,983
Which she enjoyed doing,
which is why her bondage stuff
912
00:55:23,086 --> 00:55:26,055
is just so terrific,
because she's acting.
913
00:55:27,624 --> 00:55:30,320
She's making believe
that she's terrified.
914
00:55:32,062 --> 00:55:34,360
For the most part,
anybody in a bondage photograph is
915
00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:37,490
just going on
like half-assed, hardly doing it.
916
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,625
Bettie was acting.
917
00:55:51,915 --> 00:55:55,351
Bettie: Paula, she was the only one
that ever tied us up.
918
00:55:56,553 --> 00:55:59,147
She didn't hurt us,
she was very careful about it.
919
00:55:59,255 --> 00:56:02,190
Paula Klaw:
She felt safe with me being there.
920
00:56:02,292 --> 00:56:04,783
Don't hurt the babies, you know.
921
00:56:04,894 --> 00:56:09,126
Bettie: Some of the pictures
looked like I was really being hurt.
922
00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:13,532
There was only one time
that I was ever frightened.
923
00:56:13,636 --> 00:56:18,403
Some guy, some lawyer
I think he was, wanted me tied up.
924
00:56:18,508 --> 00:56:21,671
And my feet were off the ground
about six inches.
925
00:56:21,778 --> 00:56:25,646
I thought my arm holes
were going to pull out of the sockets.
926
00:56:25,749 --> 00:56:27,307
And I said,
"Hurry up, it's hurting me. "
927
00:56:27,417 --> 00:56:30,386
And they kept shooting me
from all kinds of angles.
928
00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:33,422
And finally they let me down.
929
00:56:33,523 --> 00:56:37,425
And Irving later told me
that those pictures sold more
930
00:56:37,527 --> 00:56:39,518
than any picture that he'd ever sold
931
00:56:39,629 --> 00:56:41,790
of movie stars than anybody else.
932
00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:43,627
(Bettie laughs)
933
00:56:51,708 --> 00:56:54,677
About two months later...
934
00:56:56,012 --> 00:57:00,506
I was doing
a little 16mm wrestling movie.
935
00:57:00,617 --> 00:57:02,744
I heard something pop.
936
00:57:02,852 --> 00:57:06,379
I couldn't straighten out
my right knee at all.
937
00:57:06,489 --> 00:57:08,889
Finally, I called a doctor.
938
00:57:08,992 --> 00:57:12,155
He said,
"lt'll be about a six inch scar. "
939
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:16,494
He said, "You won't be able
to do your pinup modeling anymore. "
940
00:57:18,268 --> 00:57:21,669
I was lying in bed
feeling very unhappy
941
00:57:21,771 --> 00:57:25,537
at the thought that
I wouldn't be able to model anymore.
942
00:57:25,642 --> 00:57:29,078
And all of a sudden,
I heard a man's voice
943
00:57:29,179 --> 00:57:33,878
just as loud and clear
as you'd hear any human talk.
944
00:57:33,983 --> 00:57:38,852
He said, "Bettie, you can
straighten out your knee. Try it. "
945
00:57:38,955 --> 00:57:43,892
And within a couple of seconds
I was able to straighten out my knee.
946
00:57:43,993 --> 00:57:48,225
I knew immediately
it was the voice of God.
947
00:57:49,999 --> 00:57:51,990
Theakson: She was the girl next door.
948
00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:58,531
Just so good,
and went to church on Sunday,
949
00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:02,304
that women identified with,
that they liked the idea
950
00:58:02,412 --> 00:58:04,380
that they could exude sexuality
951
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:08,417
and not be thought of as a tramp,
952
00:58:08,518 --> 00:58:11,681
that she's playing a role,
953
00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:14,279
whether it be dominatrix
954
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:15,948
or the girl next door,
955
00:58:16,059 --> 00:58:19,995
and it was never demeaning
at any point whatsoever.
956
00:58:25,568 --> 00:58:28,128
Bettie: The craziest request I ever had,
957
00:58:28,238 --> 00:58:31,105
this guy wanted me to pose
958
00:58:31,207 --> 00:58:33,698
in a black leather pony outfit
959
00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:36,745
that he sent to Irving and Paula.
960
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:39,815
I had to get on all fours like a horse,
961
00:58:39,916 --> 00:58:43,044
and my head covered up
with this hood on.
962
00:58:43,152 --> 00:58:46,553
I said, "Well, how would he even know
who was under there at all?"
963
00:58:46,656 --> 00:58:49,454
You couldn't even see my face.
964
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:53,017
We died laughing about it.
965
00:58:53,129 --> 00:58:55,097
And some we turned away.
966
00:58:55,198 --> 00:58:58,929
Well, there were no nudes,
that's number one.
967
00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:02,937
If there were men
in the pictures, it was pornographic.
968
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,872
And we didn't want to sell
anything that was pornographic.
969
00:59:05,975 --> 00:59:09,741
(Menning speaking)
970
00:59:25,194 --> 00:59:26,889
(knocking on door)
971
00:59:26,996 --> 00:59:29,692
Bettie: These two guys
came to me and said,
972
00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:33,166
"Bettie, we want you to testify
against Irving Klaw as a pornographer. "
973
00:59:34,337 --> 00:59:37,465
I said, "What are you talking about?
Irving never even did nudes. "
974
00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,668
They'd come in with search warrants.
975
00:59:40,777 --> 00:59:42,802
They took a bunch of stuff.
976
00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:46,746
They took a lot of the photographs
and negatives of the models.
977
00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:51,411
They confiscated our mail
and we were getting bad publicity.
978
00:59:51,521 --> 00:59:54,684
(dramatic classical music playing)
979
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,651
(gavel bangs)
980
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,489
Male announcer: Repercussions
from the New York hearings
981
00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,588
have been nationwide,
with contempt and perjury citations
982
01:00:02,699 --> 01:00:05,099
indicated by the committee.
983
01:00:05,201 --> 01:00:07,294
Bettie: Now there's supposed
to be a young boy,
984
01:00:07,403 --> 01:00:11,669
I think he was 17 years old,
somewhere in Florida.
985
01:00:11,774 --> 01:00:14,004
The Kefauver committee was blaming me
986
01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:16,408
for contributing to juvenile delinquency
987
01:00:16,512 --> 01:00:20,243
because this boy killed himself
looking at one of my bondage pictures.
988
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:23,046
What would I have to do with that?
989
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,418
Man: Sir, I direct
your attention specifically
990
01:00:26,522 --> 01:00:30,083
to page 3 of this publication,
showing a young lady trussed up.
991
01:00:30,193 --> 01:00:31,888
And ask you to look at that picture,
992
01:00:31,995 --> 01:00:34,930
with her arms tied
behind her back, her mouth gagged.
993
01:00:35,031 --> 01:00:36,498
There is a definite connection
994
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,568
between this sort of thing
and his death.
995
01:00:41,738 --> 01:00:45,037
Bettie: They made me
come down to the courthouse,
996
01:00:45,141 --> 01:00:48,269
and they had me
sit outside the courtroom
997
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:51,006
while they had Irving on the stand.
998
01:00:52,415 --> 01:00:56,351
Man: Mr. Chairman,
our investigation reveals
999
01:00:56,452 --> 01:01:01,685
that Mr. Klaw is one of
the largest distributors
1000
01:01:01,791 --> 01:01:05,249
of obscene, lewd,
and fetish photographs
1001
01:01:05,361 --> 01:01:08,194
throughout the country by mail.
1002
01:01:08,297 --> 01:01:11,357
I decline to answer
1003
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:15,563
under the Fifth Amendment
of the Constitution.
1004
01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:20,200
Well, Mr. Klaw, I must warn you that
1005
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:22,709
I'll have you cited for contempt.
1006
01:01:22,812 --> 01:01:24,837
Do you still refuse to answer?
1007
01:01:24,947 --> 01:01:27,381
I decline to answer.
1008
01:01:27,483 --> 01:01:30,884
Would that be sufficient or should I say
it all the way through, Mr. Kefauver?
1009
01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:32,955
Kefauver: We're not asking any quarter
1010
01:01:33,056 --> 01:01:34,887
nor giving any quarter, Mr. Klaw.
1011
01:01:36,426 --> 01:01:37,757
Bettie: Those creeps.
1012
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,555
OI' Kefauver and his committee.
1013
01:01:39,662 --> 01:01:43,098
I told them, "I'm not testifying
and lying about Irving Klaw. "
1014
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,463
I said, "I don't care.
You can't force me to do it. "
1015
01:01:45,568 --> 01:01:47,433
I said, "I won't do it. "
1016
01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:55,003
But we also went before the judge.
1017
01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:58,410
And the judge said,
"You want to keep your freedom,
1018
01:01:58,514 --> 01:02:01,813
you have to destroy all the negatives. "
1019
01:02:01,918 --> 01:02:05,547
I said that was wrong.
1020
01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:08,783
We have every right to do
and print whatever we like.
1021
01:02:08,891 --> 01:02:10,688
We're not hurting anybody.
1022
01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:16,392
And so I was the one that was
in charge of chucking it away.
1023
01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:18,467
But I didn't.
1024
01:02:20,236 --> 01:02:24,570
We did hide them,
until we were sure that the courts
1025
01:02:24,674 --> 01:02:26,335
would throw it out
1026
01:02:26,442 --> 01:02:29,036
and agree that this was not pornography.
1027
01:02:29,145 --> 01:02:33,479
I kept the ones I know I could sell,
just the ones with Bettie.
1028
01:02:33,583 --> 01:02:38,611
I knew one day
these were going to be famous.
1029
01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:42,179
Bettie: She was able
to sneak a few of mine away
1030
01:02:42,291 --> 01:02:44,589
that they didn't know about.
1031
01:02:44,694 --> 01:02:47,322
Nearly all three-fourths of his pictures
1032
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:50,160
that he had taken
in his movie star photos and all,
1033
01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:51,665
they were all burned.
1034
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:53,702
And it just ruined the poor man
1035
01:02:53,803 --> 01:02:57,466
and put him in bad health,
and he ended up dying.
1036
01:03:01,811 --> 01:03:04,473
I always thought, live and let live.
1037
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:06,480
Let anybody do what they want to do
1038
01:03:06,582 --> 01:03:09,244
as long as they're
not hurting anybody else.
1039
01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:12,515
I still feel that way.
1040
01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:15,022
Mark: There was
a lot of people in America
1041
01:03:15,124 --> 01:03:17,718
that would have considered
what you were doing
1042
01:03:17,827 --> 01:03:19,522
to be nasty back in those days.
1043
01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:24,123
I never thought
I was doing anything wrong.
1044
01:03:24,233 --> 01:03:27,532
I never even thought there was
anything wrong about the bondage.
1045
01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:34,341
The only thing I regret
in all of my modeling experience,
1046
01:03:34,443 --> 01:03:38,243
one time three
camera clubs got together.
1047
01:03:38,347 --> 01:03:43,410
And they got me
to drinking blackberry brandy,
1048
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:46,215
it's very tasty, you know.
1049
01:03:46,322 --> 01:03:50,986
And I must have gotten drunk,
the only time in my life I was drunk.
1050
01:03:51,093 --> 01:03:52,788
But I don't remember what happened,
1051
01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:54,487
I remember starting to pose for them
1052
01:03:54,597 --> 01:03:58,931
in my regular poses
but never open poses.
1053
01:03:59,035 --> 01:04:01,663
And there were four or five shots.
1054
01:04:01,771 --> 01:04:04,205
And I was so disappointed in it.
1055
01:04:04,307 --> 01:04:06,332
That's one of the reasons
I left New York,
1056
01:04:06,442 --> 01:04:10,435
was because of those pornographic
pictures being sold on me.
1057
01:04:14,183 --> 01:04:18,176
I was 34 in 1 957,
1058
01:04:18,287 --> 01:04:21,552
and I thought
I was getting too old to model.
1059
01:04:21,657 --> 01:04:24,251
And that there were
so many pictures of me around,
1060
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,955
I thought the photographers
were tired of shooting me.
1061
01:04:28,064 --> 01:04:32,831
And then too I'd had all that unhappy
experience with the Kefauver committee.
1062
01:04:32,935 --> 01:04:35,927
So I just left everything.
1063
01:04:42,311 --> 01:04:45,747
She just disappeared
and there was much mystique about her.
1064
01:04:45,848 --> 01:04:49,079
Nobody knew beyond that,
1065
01:04:49,185 --> 01:04:52,120
that their was
a fascinating story about this woman,
1066
01:04:52,221 --> 01:04:57,022
who reached the peak of popularity
in her profession and disappeared.
1067
01:04:57,126 --> 01:05:00,562
Over my years of research,
I heard a lot of crazy rumors.
1068
01:05:00,663 --> 01:05:03,962
That she was slinging hash in Texas,
1069
01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:07,194
that she had married Lash LaRue,
1070
01:05:07,303 --> 01:05:10,397
that she had moved to England
and married a duke.
1071
01:05:10,506 --> 01:05:14,533
That the mob had rubbed her out
because of a photo shoot gone bad.
1072
01:05:14,644 --> 01:05:17,442
That she had passed out literature
1073
01:05:17,546 --> 01:05:20,640
in the Chicago O'Hare airport
for Billy Graham.
1074
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:23,082
That was the only one that was true.
1075
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:27,248
The whole Bettie Page phenomenon,
1076
01:05:27,356 --> 01:05:29,017
which is separate
from the human being,
1077
01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:31,059
developed while
she was simply off the scene,
1078
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,425
and she was not really aware of it.
1079
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:37,055
Bettie: It still amazes me
1080
01:05:37,166 --> 01:05:39,430
after 40 years,
1081
01:05:39,535 --> 01:05:42,026
as popular as my pictures are now,
1082
01:05:42,138 --> 01:05:44,436
especially with young people.
1083
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:48,169
Most of the boys say
they learned about me
1084
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,907
from their fathers' girly magazines
that they found in the attic,
1085
01:05:53,015 --> 01:05:56,951
or prowling through their fathers'
dresser drawers and things like that.
1086
01:05:57,053 --> 01:05:58,611
(Bettie chuckles)
1087
01:05:58,721 --> 01:06:03,681
And they claim that I opened up
the sexual revolution.
1088
01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:05,158
(chuckles)
1089
01:06:05,261 --> 01:06:08,355
Robert Blue: The first time
that I ever saw Bettie Page
1090
01:06:08,464 --> 01:06:12,833
in any of this material, I mean,
I immediately recognized her
1091
01:06:12,935 --> 01:06:17,269
as someone that had the visual power
1092
01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:21,332
to provoke something inside.
1093
01:06:23,446 --> 01:06:26,313
I was thinking
that I was doing something
1094
01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:31,045
that was part of
the modernist movement of painting
1095
01:06:31,153 --> 01:06:35,385
and that was to take
a taboo photograph,
1096
01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:38,892
blow it up bigger than life-size
in a beautiful oil painting,
1097
01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:41,725
and put it in a high-end gallery.
1098
01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,323
Bettie Page really set the stage
1099
01:06:45,434 --> 01:06:48,403
for the vogue photographers
1100
01:06:48,504 --> 01:06:51,598
that came in the '7 0s and the '80s.
1101
01:06:54,043 --> 01:06:56,637
Olivia De Berardinis: There's never
been anyone like Bettie before.
1102
01:06:56,746 --> 01:06:58,976
Monroe had Harlow and Dietrich,
1103
01:06:59,081 --> 01:07:01,311
she had all those blond bombshells,
1104
01:07:01,417 --> 01:07:04,113
but Bettie,
there was nothing like Bettie.
1105
01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:07,383
She's the first icon of her nature.
1106
01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:09,515
And feminism has changed,
1107
01:07:09,625 --> 01:07:11,923
so women are actually using sexuality
1108
01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,428
in a different way,
they're more accepting of it.
1109
01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:16,521
I would paint a few pictures
1110
01:07:16,632 --> 01:07:19,226
and then I would see them
appear in front of me.
1111
01:07:20,803 --> 01:07:23,169
And the girls would start
showing up dressed like her.
1112
01:07:23,272 --> 01:07:24,603
Either they had purple hair,
1113
01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:27,175
but they'd have the Bettie Page bangs,
they'd be tattooed.
1114
01:07:27,276 --> 01:07:30,905
It'd be a form of Bettie, but different.
1115
01:07:31,013 --> 01:07:32,981
Bettie meant something to them.
1116
01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:38,247
So I kept painting Bettie for them.
1117
01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:45,493
The fetishistic outfits that she wore,
1118
01:07:45,594 --> 01:07:48,028
I mean, those are dreams to paint.
1119
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:51,258
You know, the seam stockings,
the garter belts,
1120
01:07:51,367 --> 01:07:55,235
the snub-nosed stilettos, and that hair.
1121
01:07:55,337 --> 01:07:58,500
It's a lot of fun to paint those things.
1122
01:07:58,607 --> 01:08:02,737
Her attitude, her eyes,
the steam that rises from them.
1123
01:08:02,845 --> 01:08:04,676
That's the most important thing to me.
1124
01:08:04,847 --> 01:08:08,783
She makes it accessible that
anybody can be having this fun,
1125
01:08:08,884 --> 01:08:11,148
you're not going to go to hell for it.
1126
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:12,948
(spank slaps skin)
1127
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:16,616
When AIDS came out as the huge plague,
1128
01:08:16,725 --> 01:08:20,855
and anybody who had sex could get it
and die this horrible death,
1129
01:08:20,963 --> 01:08:25,195
I think that people
really identify with Bettie as fantasy
1130
01:08:25,301 --> 01:08:28,395
instead of the actual sex act,
1131
01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:31,940
so it was just a matter of survival.
1132
01:08:33,676 --> 01:08:37,112
I could see that Bettie
was getting more popular
1133
01:08:37,213 --> 01:08:39,408
in so many other directions.
1134
01:08:39,515 --> 01:08:43,246
And Dave Stevens'
the Rocketeer happened.
1135
01:08:43,352 --> 01:08:45,343
I came across a full page photograph
1136
01:08:45,454 --> 01:08:47,479
of her standing in water
1137
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:49,649
in a little bikini that she made
1138
01:08:49,758 --> 01:08:52,659
and just was knocked out, totally.
1139
01:08:52,761 --> 01:08:57,061
I remember thinking,
this has got to be the most attractive,
1140
01:08:57,166 --> 01:08:59,634
she just exuded health
1141
01:08:59,735 --> 01:09:04,001
and joy and everything else
that's like so appealing.
1142
01:09:16,752 --> 01:09:21,189
Dave's foundation
certainly led to the Betty Pages.
1143
01:09:22,391 --> 01:09:25,519
At the time, nobody
had reprinted a picture of Bettie Page
1144
01:09:25,628 --> 01:09:28,153
in two or three decades.
1145
01:09:29,565 --> 01:09:33,160
The first issue of the Betty Pages
sold out in two weeks.
1146
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:34,759
But word filtered back immediately.
1147
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:36,337
Can you do a reprint of this?
1148
01:09:36,438 --> 01:09:40,636
It sold out instantly
on the newsstands, I had no idea.
1149
01:09:40,743 --> 01:09:43,143
And when I say newsstands,
I mean comic book stores,
1150
01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:45,679
that was my only
distribution outlet at the time.
1151
01:09:45,781 --> 01:09:48,249
But there was an audience waiting.
1152
01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:50,580
Thank you, Dave Stevens.
1153
01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:53,120
The readers
already knew who she was.
1154
01:09:54,223 --> 01:09:56,783
Olivia: Then Bettie
really became bigger
1155
01:09:56,892 --> 01:09:59,087
in the fashion world:
1156
01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:01,129
Gaultier, Muggler,
1157
01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:03,221
the S$ M world, through Madonna.
1158
01:10:03,332 --> 01:10:05,698
You held me down
and tried to make me break
1159
01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,564
Express yourself,
don't repress yourself
1160
01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:10,969
Did I say something true?
1161
01:10:11,073 --> 01:10:14,372
Oops, I didn't know
I couldn't talk about sex.
1162
01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:16,603
Olivia: You just
couldn't get around her,
1163
01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:19,442
she was a force to be reckoned with.
1164
01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:23,348
She just became part of the culture.
1165
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:26,250
Bob Shultz and I started this club,
1166
01:10:26,355 --> 01:10:28,846
the "Bettie Scouts"...
tongue and cheek title,
1167
01:10:28,991 --> 01:10:31,926
kind of line Boy Scouts of America,
but Bettie Scouts of America...
1168
01:10:32,027 --> 01:10:33,756
'cause we spent a lot of time
going around the country
1169
01:10:33,862 --> 01:10:35,830
scouting for Bettie Page.
1170
01:10:35,931 --> 01:10:37,091
And when we started it,
1171
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,565
we did not know
if Bettie was still alive.
1172
01:10:41,604 --> 01:10:44,095
My gut feeling was
she had probably passed away,
1173
01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:46,868
'cause I couldn't understand
how somebody could be under the radar
1174
01:10:46,976 --> 01:10:49,968
that many years, when people
were actively looking for her.
1175
01:10:52,615 --> 01:10:55,641
I got a call from a reporter
1176
01:10:55,751 --> 01:10:58,777
in Nashville, Tennessee
named Thomas Goldsmith.
1177
01:10:58,887 --> 01:11:03,415
I would give him credit
with finding Bettie Page.
1178
01:11:03,525 --> 01:11:05,891
And he said,
"Do you know where Bettie's at?"
1179
01:11:05,995 --> 01:11:08,020
And I said,
"No, I'm just like all the rest
1180
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,064
in the people in the country
trying to figure out
1181
01:11:10,165 --> 01:11:12,065
what happened to Bettie Page. "
1182
01:11:12,167 --> 01:11:15,330
He said, "Bettie Page is alive.
1183
01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:17,029
And I'm gonna give you a big clue.
1184
01:11:17,139 --> 01:11:21,075
She has a living brother in Nashville."
1185
01:11:21,176 --> 01:11:23,508
Within minutes, I called Jack Page.
1186
01:11:23,612 --> 01:11:27,241
I said, "If I write a letter to Bettie,
1187
01:11:27,349 --> 01:11:30,113
would you forward it to her?"
1188
01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:32,983
And I wrote the letter,
I believe it was, April...
1189
01:11:33,088 --> 01:11:35,784
April, May, 1992.
1190
01:11:35,891 --> 01:11:39,554
I didn't hear anything
'til December of 1992.
1191
01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:40,890
And I could remember that,
1192
01:11:40,996 --> 01:11:43,965
that was one of
the most excited days of my life.
1193
01:11:44,066 --> 01:11:46,796
I went to the mailbox
and here's a letter,
1194
01:11:46,902 --> 01:11:50,531
and it says in the corner,
"Bettie Page. "
1195
01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:54,771
She used to write everything
in this turquoise ink.
1196
01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,435
Very identifiable ink.
1197
01:11:56,545 --> 01:11:57,910
It's like her trademark.
1198
01:11:58,013 --> 01:12:00,880
And she was so flattered
to have a fan club,
1199
01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:02,245
she couldn't believe that people
1200
01:12:02,351 --> 01:12:04,376
had any interest in her
after all these years.
1201
01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:08,388
For about a year,
we did this little relay of letters.
1202
01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:11,857
And then finally in August of 1 999,
1203
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,054
my wife and I drove out to California
1204
01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:17,758
and met Bettie face to face.
1205
01:12:17,866 --> 01:12:21,302
We spent a lot of time
talking about the Bible,
1206
01:12:21,403 --> 01:12:23,064
because she loved the Bible.
1207
01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:26,972
And I enjoy reading the Bible too,
so we just had a good old time.
1208
01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:28,771
And then to think, you know,
1209
01:12:28,877 --> 01:12:31,243
here I'm just a guy
collecting old magazines
1210
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:35,306
and kind of becomes infatuated
with this pinup girl from the '50s,
1211
01:12:35,417 --> 01:12:37,180
and to think that this could materialize
1212
01:12:37,286 --> 01:12:42,815
to the point that I get to meet her,
her family, her sisters, her brothers.
1213
01:12:42,925 --> 01:12:46,088
Mark: Now, did your family know
that you were a pinup model?
1214
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,493
Bettie: They never said
a word to me about it,
1215
01:12:48,597 --> 01:12:51,191
never commented about it
and nether did my mother.
1216
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:56,465
One time, I was looking in her closet
when she was gone to work,
1217
01:12:56,572 --> 01:12:59,541
and I found a whole big stack
1218
01:12:59,641 --> 01:13:02,303
of Robert Harrison's pinup magazines,
1219
01:13:02,411 --> 01:13:04,402
with my pictures marked
1220
01:13:04,513 --> 01:13:07,505
and the pages turned down in it.
1221
01:13:07,616 --> 01:13:10,176
Never said a word to me,
one way or another about it,
1222
01:13:10,285 --> 01:13:12,651
never even mentioned it
and I didn't either.
1223
01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:21,392
Theakson: She was living way out
in the fringes of Los Angeles,
1224
01:13:21,497 --> 01:13:25,228
you went any further,
there was no more humanity.
1225
01:13:25,334 --> 01:13:28,064
And she explained
that she'd had some difficulties
1226
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:31,105
and that she was
on Social Security.
1227
01:13:32,775 --> 01:13:35,437
Mark: Now, when you walked away
from the modeling career,
1228
01:13:35,544 --> 01:13:37,136
you never really
looked back at it, did you?
1229
01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:39,237
Bettie: I didn't want to be bothered.
1230
01:13:39,348 --> 01:13:43,808
I'd rather be incognito,
like I am nowadays.
1231
01:13:43,919 --> 01:13:45,181
(Bettie chuckles)
1232
01:13:47,089 --> 01:13:50,081
After I left New York,
I went back to Florida,
1233
01:13:50,192 --> 01:13:54,629
and I just wanted to enjoy
the sunshine and do something else.
1234
01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:58,461
I started up
with my old boyfriend Armond Walterson
1235
01:13:58,567 --> 01:14:01,331
that I had dated in 1 954
1236
01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,735
when I was in Florida
posing for Bunny Yeager.
1237
01:14:03,839 --> 01:14:06,433
He was going with Margaret.
1238
01:14:06,542 --> 01:14:07,839
As soon as I called him up
1239
01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:09,774
he dropped Margaret
like a hot potato
1240
01:14:09,878 --> 01:14:12,244
and started dating me.
1241
01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:15,077
Every Saturday night,
we'd go to the drive in
1242
01:14:15,184 --> 01:14:17,448
and we would sit
in the car and make love.
1243
01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,487
We didn't watch
the movies half the time.
1244
01:14:19,588 --> 01:14:20,850
(Bettie chuckles)
1245
01:14:20,956 --> 01:14:24,187
When I met him,
he didn't even know how to kiss.
1246
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,262
I taught him everything he knew.
1247
01:14:27,362 --> 01:14:30,456
He learned fast though.
1248
01:14:30,566 --> 01:14:33,160
Two months after the wedding,
1249
01:14:33,268 --> 01:14:36,032
I realized that I made a mistake.
1250
01:14:36,138 --> 01:14:39,266
All we had in common was movies,
1251
01:14:39,374 --> 01:14:41,774
sex, and hamburgers.
1252
01:14:43,412 --> 01:14:45,744
If ever I've been stupid
about anything in my life
1253
01:14:45,848 --> 01:14:49,477
it's where men
are concerned about marriage.
1254
01:14:49,585 --> 01:14:52,349
Here's what broke it all up.
1255
01:14:52,454 --> 01:14:54,547
This was the beginning
of New Year's 1 958.
1256
01:14:54,656 --> 01:14:57,454
We got into a big argument
1257
01:14:57,559 --> 01:15:00,187
because he wanted to go
and get drunk with his buddies,
1258
01:15:00,295 --> 01:15:03,389
and I wanted to go dancing
like I'd been in the habit of doing
1259
01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:05,330
on New Year's Eve,
1260
01:15:05,434 --> 01:15:09,734
so he left at about 20 minutes to 1 2.
1261
01:15:09,838 --> 01:15:11,635
And I went walking out White Street.
1262
01:15:15,244 --> 01:15:17,474
And I saw a little church over there,
1263
01:15:17,579 --> 01:15:20,173
and heard music, singing.
1264
01:15:20,282 --> 01:15:24,082
It had a white neon cross
over the top of it.
1265
01:15:26,889 --> 01:15:30,017
And I just had to go,
like somebody had me by the hand,
1266
01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:33,117
I had to cross the street
and go in there, I'm telling you.
1267
01:15:33,228 --> 01:15:37,426
I knew it was the Lord, nobody would
ever convince me it wasn't him.
1268
01:15:38,634 --> 01:15:41,467
I stood back there
and cried about all my sins.
1269
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:45,768
I thought God disapproved
of me doing nudes, you know.
1270
01:15:45,874 --> 01:15:48,138
I didn't think anything
about the fetish and the bondage
1271
01:15:48,243 --> 01:15:49,938
for Irving, but I had to do that.
1272
01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:53,208
But I thought maybe He looked down
on me for posing in the nude.
1273
01:15:53,315 --> 01:15:56,307
That's what I was telling
the pastor, and he said,
1274
01:15:56,418 --> 01:15:59,910
"Have you ever done anything
as bad as the apostle Paul?"
1275
01:16:00,022 --> 01:16:01,887
I said, "What did he do?"
1276
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:03,719
I didn't know the Bible.
1277
01:16:03,825 --> 01:16:06,191
He said, "Well, he had
the Christians murdered.
1278
01:16:06,295 --> 01:16:08,160
Have you ever done
anything that bad?"
1279
01:16:08,263 --> 01:16:10,288
I said, "No, of course not. "
1280
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:12,390
He said, "Well, God forgave him
1281
01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,833
and made him
the greatest missionary of all time.
1282
01:16:14,937 --> 01:16:19,101
He can certainly forgive you for posing
in the nude, don't you think?"
1283
01:16:19,207 --> 01:16:22,335
And I received
the Lord Jesus as my savior
1284
01:16:22,444 --> 01:16:25,880
and I turned my life over to the Lord,
1285
01:16:25,981 --> 01:16:30,680
and went to Bible schools
for three years.
1286
01:16:30,786 --> 01:16:32,276
They were very strict, you know.
1287
01:16:32,387 --> 01:16:35,151
I always loved dancing.
1288
01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:37,748
I couldn't even go dancing,
couldn't even go to the movies.
1289
01:16:37,859 --> 01:16:39,952
The only movie
I was allowed to attend
1290
01:16:40,062 --> 01:16:43,361
during those three years
was The Ten Commandments.
1291
01:16:44,733 --> 01:16:46,257
I wanted to be a missionary.
1292
01:16:46,368 --> 01:16:47,995
I thought God
wanted me to be a missionary.
1293
01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:51,869
But you know, when I graduated
and I went to a mission board,
1294
01:16:51,974 --> 01:16:55,808
they would not take me
because I had been divorced.
1295
01:16:55,911 --> 01:16:58,846
To some Christians,
especially the fundamentalists,
1296
01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:02,610
being divorced is worse
than having committed murder/
1297
01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:07,880
They got me to believe
that I would be out of the will of God
1298
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:09,787
if I didn't go back
and lead my first husband
1299
01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:12,519
to the Lord and marry him again.
1300
01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:16,120
Well, I led him to the Lord
and he prayed with me to receive Jesus
1301
01:17:16,231 --> 01:17:18,256
and I thought he was sincere
1302
01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,665
and I married him again.
1303
01:17:20,769 --> 01:17:23,897
One month I was in his house.
1304
01:17:24,006 --> 01:17:26,839
The man would
not even have sex with me.
1305
01:17:26,942 --> 01:17:28,500
And I see him, I said,
"What's the matter, Billy?"
1306
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:30,942
He said, "Well, you're filthy.
You've still got a venereal disease. "
1307
01:17:31,046 --> 01:17:33,241
I said, "Where did you ever hear
anything like that?"
1308
01:17:33,348 --> 01:17:34,906
He said, "Everybody knows it. "
1309
01:17:35,017 --> 01:17:39,113
I said, "Everybody's a liar, I've never
had a venereal disease in my life. "
1310
01:17:40,355 --> 01:17:43,153
Well, do you know,
he grabbed me by the throat,
1311
01:17:43,258 --> 01:17:44,885
I mean, he was choking me.
1312
01:17:44,993 --> 01:17:48,759
I was finally able to get his hands off
enough to scream out loud,
1313
01:17:48,864 --> 01:17:51,697
"Billy, if you kill me,
God will never forgive you/"
1314
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,600
He let go, and he got up
and went in his room.
1315
01:17:55,704 --> 01:17:57,934
The man almost choked me to death.
1316
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,498
But that was the worst thing
that ever happened to me.
1317
01:18:01,610 --> 01:18:03,771
I almost lost my life over it.
1318
01:18:06,148 --> 01:18:08,378
I had the thing annulled right away,
1319
01:18:08,483 --> 01:18:11,350
since it was never
consummated sexually.
1320
01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:14,913
After I spent a year and a half
1321
01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:17,685
working on
a masters degree at Peabody,
1322
01:18:17,793 --> 01:18:22,321
I just lacked four credits now,
getting the masters,
1323
01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:25,093
and I just got tired of studying.
1324
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,225
So I left Nashville.
1325
01:18:27,335 --> 01:18:32,739
I went back to Miami
and I started going dancing again.
1326
01:18:34,843 --> 01:18:37,903
And one night
I saw this handsome fella.
1327
01:18:38,013 --> 01:18:41,414
She didn't look like a model
of any kind, you know.
1328
01:18:41,516 --> 01:18:45,008
She's just a healthy looking young lady.
1329
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,611
Well, not so young,
she was in her forties,
1330
01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:50,692
but just looked like a nice person.
1331
01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:53,659
So I went out on the floor
and asked her to dance,
1332
01:18:53,762 --> 01:18:56,287
and she says, "Certainly,
I'd love to dance with you."
1333
01:18:56,398 --> 01:19:00,027
So we danced and we danced,
we danced all night.
1334
01:19:00,135 --> 01:19:02,899
She was the most unpretentious person
1335
01:19:03,004 --> 01:19:04,665
that I have ever met.
1336
01:19:04,773 --> 01:19:09,767
I called her the next day
and we were inseparable.
1337
01:19:09,878 --> 01:19:11,743
Bettie: He was divorced.
1338
01:19:11,847 --> 01:19:13,337
He says, "I have two boys and a girl. "
1339
01:19:13,448 --> 01:19:16,315
I said, "Two boys and a girl,
that's what I always wanted. "
1340
01:19:17,586 --> 01:19:21,181
Well, I couldn't have children,
I tried for years.
1341
01:19:21,289 --> 01:19:25,726
But I was attracted
to Harry from the word "go".
1342
01:19:25,827 --> 01:19:29,923
I just wanted to be with him
and to make love to him.
1343
01:19:30,031 --> 01:19:31,760
Harry: I didn't know a thing about her.
1344
01:19:31,867 --> 01:19:34,028
We went out on this pier,
1345
01:19:34,136 --> 01:19:37,594
and I was looking through the post cards
1346
01:19:37,706 --> 01:19:40,675
and I saw this post card
and I looked at that post card,
1347
01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,574
and I looked over at her
and I looked at the card again.
1348
01:19:43,678 --> 01:19:45,305
It was Bettie.
1349
01:19:45,413 --> 01:19:49,213
Bettie: It says, "Wow/ We alligators
have such fun in Florida. "
1350
01:19:49,317 --> 01:19:50,944
(Bettie chuckles)
1351
01:19:52,354 --> 01:19:55,152
Harry: She told me
that she modeled a lot.
1352
01:19:55,257 --> 01:19:58,488
And she told me
she never posed nude.
1353
01:19:58,593 --> 01:20:00,652
(Harry laughs)
1354
01:20:00,762 --> 01:20:04,095
It didn't make any difference to me.
1355
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:06,190
The people on the beach,
1356
01:20:06,301 --> 01:20:08,599
their heads would turn and follow us,
1357
01:20:08,703 --> 01:20:12,264
not me of course, but they would
follow us walking along the beach.
1358
01:20:13,275 --> 01:20:18,508
Bettie: We got married
on Valentine's Day 1 967
1359
01:20:18,613 --> 01:20:24,245
with his three children
as witnesses to the wedding.
1360
01:20:24,352 --> 01:20:27,253
Harry: I had a nice new home for Bettie
1361
01:20:27,355 --> 01:20:32,383
and the children,
everything was set up perfect, you know.
1362
01:20:32,494 --> 01:20:35,292
And then we had
an addition put on the house
1363
01:20:35,397 --> 01:20:37,297
with a cement roof on top,
1364
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:41,335
and then I had a three foot wall
around the top of it,
1365
01:20:41,436 --> 01:20:43,927
she'd sunbathe in the nude
up there sometimes.
1366
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:47,074
Bettie: He was a hard worker.
1367
01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:49,200
Harry was a good provider, a good lover,
1368
01:20:49,311 --> 01:20:51,779
now, he was one of the best lovers
I ever had in my life.
1369
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,848
And he was very considerate of me,
1370
01:20:53,949 --> 01:20:57,214
always thinking
of my pleasure before his own.
1371
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:00,755
I'm not anymore,
but I was a very good lover,
1372
01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,289
and she was a very good lover.
1373
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:05,223
We enjoyed thrilling each other.
1374
01:21:05,327 --> 01:21:09,423
Oh, by the way,
that leopard skin robe, you know.
1375
01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:11,726
She still had that.
1376
01:21:11,833 --> 01:21:16,202
And in the morning she'd put it on,
and in the evening she'd put it on.
1377
01:21:16,304 --> 01:21:19,637
It just turned me wild when I saw her
walking around with that thing on.
1378
01:21:19,741 --> 01:21:21,834
(Mark laughing)
1379
01:21:21,943 --> 01:21:25,902
Bettie: Well, the children were
just as sweet and nice to me
1380
01:21:26,014 --> 01:21:29,177
during the months
that I dated Harry.
1381
01:21:29,284 --> 01:21:34,153
But soon as I moved into the house,
everything changed.
1382
01:21:34,256 --> 01:21:35,587
His ex-wife,
1383
01:21:35,690 --> 01:21:38,318
she was so jealous of me
with the children,
1384
01:21:38,426 --> 01:21:41,827
and she called me up at 4:00
in the morning and cussed me out.
1385
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:45,195
It was getting on my nerves,
I wasn't getting any sleep,
1386
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:46,892
and I was very unhappy.
1387
01:21:47,002 --> 01:21:50,096
So I stuck it out for five years.
1388
01:21:50,205 --> 01:21:52,264
I started losing my love for Harry
1389
01:21:52,374 --> 01:21:54,433
when he wouldn't make
those children mind me
1390
01:21:54,542 --> 01:21:56,407
or do anything I asked them to do.
1391
01:21:59,481 --> 01:22:01,972
Harry: She wanted to start
going to church again.
1392
01:22:02,083 --> 01:22:05,143
And the whole family
went to church together.
1393
01:22:05,253 --> 01:22:10,520
We went Sunday morning,
Sunday night, Wednesday evening.
1394
01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:15,562
I mean, it got to be like sort of
a fanatic thing, you know.
1395
01:22:15,664 --> 01:22:16,926
I could see it in her eyes.
1396
01:22:17,032 --> 01:22:20,126
We'd go to church
and she'd blast out singing,
1397
01:22:20,235 --> 01:22:23,966
not boisterous or anything
but real loud voice singing.
1398
01:22:24,072 --> 01:22:27,269
Tears came down her cheeks,
1399
01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:29,605
and she'd get real emotional.
1400
01:22:29,711 --> 01:22:32,373
She was so obsessed
with things of the Lord.
1401
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,176
Why should I stop her if...
1402
01:22:35,283 --> 01:22:37,877
...if she wanted to go and serve God,
1403
01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:40,716
or the Lord, or be a missionary.
1404
01:22:42,891 --> 01:22:48,761
Bettie: I got divorced
on January 17, 1 97 2,
1405
01:22:48,863 --> 01:22:50,660
then I went to Bible Town,
1406
01:22:50,765 --> 01:22:54,895
which is 7 0 miles up
near Boca Raton, Florida.
1407
01:22:55,003 --> 01:22:58,336
While I was up there,
I started imagining
1408
01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,637
that I was hearing somebody
talking to me on my tape recorder,
1409
01:23:01,743 --> 01:23:04,803
and I thought I was really listening
1410
01:23:04,913 --> 01:23:07,905
to God and the angels and the devil.
1411
01:23:08,016 --> 01:23:10,644
I lost a lot of weight then,
I wasn't eating
1412
01:23:10,752 --> 01:23:14,017
because they were
keeping me awake talking all night.
1413
01:23:16,257 --> 01:23:20,717
It had built up in my mind
so much that my mind snapped.
1414
01:23:22,797 --> 01:23:26,460
Harry: She had caused
some kind of a disturbance.
1415
01:23:26,568 --> 01:23:28,468
The police called me
1416
01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:33,473
and asked me
if I could come up and pick her up.
1417
01:23:33,575 --> 01:23:37,443
I put her out there in my,
I think it was my bedroom,
1418
01:23:37,545 --> 01:23:40,309
and I slept
on the couch at the time.
1419
01:23:40,415 --> 01:23:42,474
I thought I owed it to her.
1420
01:23:42,584 --> 01:23:44,711
What would happen
if I kicked her out?
1421
01:23:44,819 --> 01:23:49,756
And the state of Florida
in no way is good to mental illness.
1422
01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:53,453
And I tried to get her going in places
1423
01:23:53,561 --> 01:23:55,893
and they wouldn't bother with her.
1424
01:23:55,997 --> 01:23:59,125
She had lost it,
there's no doubt about it.
1425
01:23:59,234 --> 01:24:02,328
Bettie called us into the living room,
1426
01:24:02,437 --> 01:24:05,201
me and my son Larry and Brad,
1427
01:24:05,306 --> 01:24:10,266
called us over
by this picture of Jesus Christ,
1428
01:24:10,378 --> 01:24:12,710
with a knife in her hand.
1429
01:24:12,814 --> 01:24:14,782
She said, "If you take
your eyes off him,
1430
01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:17,647
I'm going to cut your guts out. "
1431
01:24:20,555 --> 01:24:22,785
Whoa, you know, here I was.
1432
01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:24,722
I could read Bettie pretty good
1433
01:24:24,826 --> 01:24:29,957
and I felt safe that
she wasn't going to do it right then.
1434
01:24:30,065 --> 01:24:32,761
I said, "Bettie,
I've got to go to the bathroom,
1435
01:24:32,867 --> 01:24:35,768
I've got to relieve myself real bad."
1436
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:38,668
So I went back into the bedroom,
1437
01:24:38,773 --> 01:24:40,968
picked up the phone,
1438
01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:42,976
called the Hialeah Police.
1439
01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:45,376
I let the cop in the front door.
1440
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,074
Bettie went peacefully,
1441
01:24:48,183 --> 01:24:50,310
with a blank look on her face.
1442
01:24:51,352 --> 01:24:54,412
Bettie: I ended up having
a nervous breakdown and hearing voices,
1443
01:24:54,522 --> 01:24:57,548
and had to go
to the hospital because of it.
1444
01:24:57,659 --> 01:25:00,389
They took me
to Jackson Memorial Hospital.
1445
01:25:00,495 --> 01:25:03,862
They have on the fifth floor
a psychiatric ward.
1446
01:25:03,965 --> 01:25:06,798
I was just there two months.
1447
01:25:06,901 --> 01:25:10,462
They gave me this horrible thorazine.
1448
01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:15,066
I felt like I had sparks
and things going in my head,
1449
01:25:15,176 --> 01:25:17,440
and you feel like
you're going to die right after,
1450
01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,911
for an hour or two
after you take the thorazine.
1451
01:25:21,883 --> 01:25:25,649
But it knocked the voices
right out of me though.
1452
01:25:25,753 --> 01:25:29,689
Harry: She was completely
medicated all the time.
1453
01:25:30,825 --> 01:25:33,225
Mark: Now, when she was
getting treatment,
1454
01:25:33,328 --> 01:25:35,421
do you know if they gave her
any shock treatment?
1455
01:25:36,998 --> 01:25:39,023
Harry: I think she had two.
1456
01:25:41,369 --> 01:25:48,002
Jimmy, one time he came up to the house
after Bettie was with me awhile.
1457
01:25:49,377 --> 01:25:51,811
He said, "I'm gonna take Bettie
back to California with me,
1458
01:25:51,913 --> 01:25:54,040
we're gonna get a place,
we're gonna live together,
1459
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,413
we're gonna get a house or something."
1460
01:25:56,518 --> 01:25:59,783
California, it's a very liberal state,
1461
01:25:59,888 --> 01:26:03,346
and their mental facilities
are the best in the world.
1462
01:26:05,059 --> 01:26:08,517
Bettie: Jimmy and I were close
when we were growing up.
1463
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:10,530
I didn't have any money hardly.
1464
01:26:10,632 --> 01:26:13,100
I had just enough
to get to California at the time.
1465
01:26:14,869 --> 01:26:18,600
Jimmy was supposed
to meet her in California,
1466
01:26:18,706 --> 01:26:21,231
didn't show up.
1467
01:26:21,342 --> 01:26:23,640
That's why she got in trouble.
1468
01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:31,485
Richard W. Bann: She was trying to get
rent receipts from her landlord.
1469
01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:34,054
She was hearing voices,
1470
01:26:34,155 --> 01:26:36,953
I guess telling her to do
some pretty awful things.
1471
01:26:37,058 --> 01:26:40,721
And she thought
it was the devil speaking to her.
1472
01:26:40,828 --> 01:26:42,159
And she did tell me,
1473
01:26:42,263 --> 01:26:46,029
"I had a knife
and I was upset with my landlady,
1474
01:26:46,134 --> 01:26:48,728
and I wrestled her
to the ground and I straddled her,
1475
01:26:48,836 --> 01:26:51,566
and I told her that I was
going to cut her up."
1476
01:26:51,673 --> 01:26:53,470
The lady did not die.
1477
01:26:53,575 --> 01:26:57,534
The lady got cut
pretty severally on her hand.
1478
01:26:57,645 --> 01:27:00,773
Bleeding, blood everywhere.
1479
01:27:00,882 --> 01:27:02,816
Obvious that the lady needed stitches.
1480
01:27:02,917 --> 01:27:06,853
She was stabbed like 20 or 30 times.
1481
01:27:06,955 --> 01:27:12,154
She pleaded insanity to this charge
of "attempt to commit murder"
1482
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:15,627
and this assault
so they then put her away for ten years.
1483
01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:23,793
Bettie: You talked
to the psychiatrist, I think it was,
1484
01:27:23,905 --> 01:27:26,703
three times a week for half an hour.
1485
01:27:26,808 --> 01:27:31,643
And you went to groups,
mostly group therapy as they call it.
1486
01:27:31,746 --> 01:27:33,737
You just talked about why
1487
01:27:33,848 --> 01:27:35,816
or what caused you
to have your breakdown,
1488
01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:39,375
and I was put on something
called Novane and Artane.
1489
01:27:39,487 --> 01:27:43,184
She had never hinted
about any of the trouble with the law,
1490
01:27:43,291 --> 01:27:46,317
any of the mental
institution years, any of that.
1491
01:27:46,427 --> 01:27:49,453
Bettie: I didn't think it was something
anybody would want to hear about.
1492
01:27:49,564 --> 01:27:51,828
And it was not anybody's business.
1493
01:27:53,034 --> 01:27:56,060
A lot of people still look down on you
if you've had a nervous breakdown.
1494
01:27:56,170 --> 01:27:59,662
They still thinking like they did
a hundred years ago about it.
1495
01:28:02,076 --> 01:28:04,101
Bann: Bettie's the one
that paid the price,
1496
01:28:04,212 --> 01:28:07,375
spending 9 or 10 years at Patton State
1497
01:28:07,482 --> 01:28:09,950
in a horrible, horrible situation.
1498
01:28:11,386 --> 01:28:15,914
I learned that she was
paranoid schizophrenic.
1499
01:28:16,024 --> 01:28:19,084
That's an enormous cross to bare.
1500
01:28:19,193 --> 01:28:23,391
And whereas she had her parents
1501
01:28:23,498 --> 01:28:27,127
to thank for her amazing good looks,
1502
01:28:27,235 --> 01:28:28,463
it was a mixed blessing
1503
01:28:28,569 --> 01:28:31,595
because her parents
were also responsible
1504
01:28:31,706 --> 01:28:35,802
for this genetic predisposition
1505
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:39,346
towards paranoid schizophrenia,
1506
01:28:39,447 --> 01:28:43,076
plus her mother didn't want her,
1507
01:28:43,184 --> 01:28:46,915
and her father molested her.
1508
01:28:47,021 --> 01:28:51,082
Those are heavy burdens to deal with.
1509
01:28:55,229 --> 01:28:58,096
She was probably
one of the most strong willed people
1510
01:28:58,199 --> 01:28:59,530
anyone's ever going to meet.
1511
01:28:59,634 --> 01:29:02,660
And she'd admit
that she had fallen down
1512
01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:05,330
but she was going to renew,
1513
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,170
with great enthusiasm and optimism
1514
01:29:08,276 --> 01:29:10,267
that this time she would get it right.
1515
01:29:10,378 --> 01:29:15,111
I told her that anytime
there's anything she needs,
1516
01:29:15,216 --> 01:29:17,150
that there are thousands of people
1517
01:29:17,251 --> 01:29:20,118
who would just do anything for her
if they had the chance.
1518
01:29:20,221 --> 01:29:24,453
The one who really did
the most for her was Dave Stevens,
1519
01:29:24,559 --> 01:29:27,084
to the point of
she would call him to go out
1520
01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:30,221
and bring her food
or take her to the doctor.
1521
01:29:30,331 --> 01:29:32,765
Stevens: I took her into Tower Records
1522
01:29:32,867 --> 01:29:35,859
and I steered her around
to the book section,
1523
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:39,064
and there on an end cap
of an aisle of books
1524
01:29:39,173 --> 01:29:42,404
was a display
of nothing but Bettie Page books,
1525
01:29:42,510 --> 01:29:45,479
and she just stood there
in amazement.
1526
01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:47,980
She gets so tickled
when she sees some new book
1527
01:29:48,082 --> 01:29:52,519
with her picture on it
or some... whatever product it is,
1528
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:55,088
even if she's
not getting any money for it.
1529
01:29:55,189 --> 01:30:00,183
Bann: Dave knew that Bettie
had been Miss January 1 955,
1530
01:30:00,294 --> 01:30:02,956
and he knew that Hef
had never met Bettie Page
1531
01:30:03,064 --> 01:30:05,294
and suggested that they meet.
1532
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,631
Bettie: And he invited me
to dinner at his home,
1533
01:30:08,736 --> 01:30:11,170
the most beautiful home
I've ever been in in my life.
1534
01:30:11,272 --> 01:30:14,264
Looks like a big castle
up in Beverly Hills.
1535
01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:16,605
So usually at the Playboy Mansion,
1536
01:30:16,711 --> 01:30:19,111
everyone has cameras,
everything is being recorded.
1537
01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:22,080
But on this night,
because of Bettie being so private,
1538
01:30:22,183 --> 01:30:24,617
so discreet, no cameras.
1539
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,051
Bettie: I liked Mr. Hefner.
1540
01:30:27,155 --> 01:30:29,487
He was a very nice,
down to earth fella.
1541
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:32,650
And he greeted us,
Dave Stevens and l,
1542
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,389
in his pajamas,
now, a smoking jacket
1543
01:30:36,497 --> 01:30:40,763
and his purple, satin pajamas.
1544
01:30:40,868 --> 01:30:44,668
And Hef had arranged for a loan
of a 35mm print of "The Rocketeer",
1545
01:30:44,772 --> 01:30:49,038
which was Dave Stevens'
creation, from Disney.
1546
01:30:49,143 --> 01:30:51,338
And Bettie had never seen the film.
1547
01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:54,472
She wanted to see this film
that was an homage
1548
01:30:54,582 --> 01:30:55,981
to her, inspired by her.
1549
01:30:56,184 --> 01:30:59,153
You're a sweet little headache
1550
01:30:59,253 --> 01:31:02,814
But you are lots of fun
1551
01:31:02,924 --> 01:31:05,017
I've a good mind to spank you...
1552
01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:06,923
There was an unauthorized film
1553
01:31:07,028 --> 01:31:12,625
made in 2005 called
"The Notorious Bettie Page".
1554
01:31:12,733 --> 01:31:14,030
This is quite an elegant knot,
1555
01:31:14,135 --> 01:31:17,070
because the more the subject pulls
the tighter the knot becomes.
1556
01:31:18,906 --> 01:31:22,740
She didn't like the word
"Notorious" in the title.
1557
01:31:22,844 --> 01:31:25,642
And do you approve?
1558
01:31:25,746 --> 01:31:27,611
I believe in Jesus.
1559
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:31,350
Well, of course you do, my dear.
1560
01:31:35,656 --> 01:31:37,590
Of course you do.
1561
01:31:39,594 --> 01:31:41,323
Bann: But all of a sudden,
here's what you heard
1562
01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:43,397
from the back
of the screening room.
1563
01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:47,264
"Lies, lies, lies!
1564
01:31:47,368 --> 01:31:51,031
L-l-E-S, lies!
1565
01:31:51,138 --> 01:31:54,301
Why don't you tell the truth?"
1566
01:31:55,309 --> 01:31:56,799
(woman gasps)
1567
01:31:56,911 --> 01:31:59,505
Hefner: When she resurfaced
here in California,
1568
01:31:59,614 --> 01:32:03,345
she was not being
properly represented by anybody,
1569
01:32:03,451 --> 01:32:07,148
and a lot of people were exploiting her
and taking advantage of her.
1570
01:32:07,255 --> 01:32:13,057
And I was able to put her in the hands
of more appropriate business people,
1571
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,821
legal people,
1572
01:32:14,929 --> 01:32:16,954
so that she had
the right kind of representation
1573
01:32:17,064 --> 01:32:19,760
and somebody to look after her
and take care of her.
1574
01:32:19,867 --> 01:32:22,028
And we've been very close ever since.
1575
01:32:22,136 --> 01:32:25,537
And I had a call
from Mr. Hefner, who asked me
1576
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,335
if I would help out a friend of his
1577
01:32:27,441 --> 01:32:30,137
and try to see
that anything that was done
1578
01:32:30,244 --> 01:32:31,768
with Bettie's name and likeness
1579
01:32:31,879 --> 01:32:34,177
ultimately had her approval on it
1580
01:32:34,282 --> 01:32:37,945
and of course she would receive
some type of compensation for it.
1581
01:32:38,052 --> 01:32:40,520
Bettie: I made more money
in very recent years
1582
01:32:40,621 --> 01:32:44,421
than I ever made during the seven years
I was modeling back in the '50s.
1583
01:32:44,525 --> 01:32:47,585
Bettie was able to enjoy life more
1584
01:32:47,695 --> 01:32:51,324
because of what she could do
in the later part of her life.
1585
01:32:51,432 --> 01:32:53,127
(people chattering)
1586
01:32:59,140 --> 01:33:01,165
I think she had an incredible charm.
1587
01:33:01,275 --> 01:33:04,369
She had an incredible aura,
or how you say it, charisma.
1588
01:33:04,478 --> 01:33:07,413
And I think a lot of models
learned from her.
1589
01:33:07,515 --> 01:33:09,915
There's nothing
intimidating about Bettie.
1590
01:33:10,017 --> 01:33:11,951
Women can appreciate her,
men can appreciate her.
1591
01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:15,580
Most of them, you don't
really remember the the person,
1592
01:33:15,690 --> 01:33:18,625
but her, you know, you say,
"Oh yeah, that's Bettie Page. "
1593
01:33:18,726 --> 01:33:21,456
She's also has had
the keen sense of timing
1594
01:33:21,562 --> 01:33:24,895
to know exactly when
not to appear, which is hard.
1595
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,158
Man #1: Go ahead, Bettie.
1596
01:33:27,268 --> 01:33:29,293
Bettie: Hello every one of you.
1597
01:33:29,403 --> 01:33:32,634
- (crowd oohs)
- Hi, Bettie.
1598
01:33:32,740 --> 01:33:34,264
Bettie: Thank you very much.
1599
01:33:34,375 --> 01:33:36,639
Gee, sounds like a big mob.
1600
01:33:36,744 --> 01:33:38,041
Man #1: It is a big mob.
1601
01:33:38,145 --> 01:33:41,911
Man #2: Bettie, you have thrown the
coolest opening in SoHo that I've seen.
1602
01:33:42,016 --> 01:33:45,713
Bettie: I hope you like my book,
I'm very pleased with it.
1603
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:49,916
Woman: And we're just all super fans
of yours, and we all wanted to say
1604
01:33:50,024 --> 01:33:52,754
congratulations,
and three cheers to Bettie Page.
1605
01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:55,658
(cheering and applause)
1606
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:00,963
When I realized it was really big
1607
01:34:01,068 --> 01:34:06,335
is when I got the first Bettie Scouts
of America fan letter from China.
1608
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:09,068
I mean, it's literally
all over the world.
1609
01:34:09,176 --> 01:34:11,235
New Zealand, Australia, all over Europe.
1610
01:34:11,345 --> 01:34:13,939
She's very very popular in Japan.
1611
01:34:14,048 --> 01:34:15,675
Very popular in England,
1612
01:34:15,783 --> 01:34:17,341
France and Germany.
1613
01:34:23,157 --> 01:34:26,251
Chantal Thomass: Always I had been
inspired by Bettie Page,
1614
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:30,660
and then the pinups
from the '50s and Bettie is the one,
1615
01:34:30,765 --> 01:34:33,063
the most extreme and most special one.
1616
01:34:33,167 --> 01:34:35,192
Chantal Thomass (in French):
Bettie Page was way ahead of her time...
1617
01:34:52,053 --> 01:34:55,784
She influenced
[Theiry Mugler, Gauliter].
1618
01:34:55,890 --> 01:34:57,721
I mean, she did it with humor,
1619
01:34:57,825 --> 01:35:00,658
and I'll always work
on my design in lingerie with humor.
1620
01:35:00,761 --> 01:35:02,285
I mean, it has to be sexy,
1621
01:35:02,396 --> 01:35:05,194
but it must have
a small part of humor.
1622
01:35:06,634 --> 01:35:09,762
Bettie Page can be
an example for women
1623
01:35:09,870 --> 01:35:15,240
to be beautiful, fun, sexy,
and why not, intelligent.
1624
01:35:16,711 --> 01:35:19,202
Lisa, we got
another postcard from your father.
1625
01:35:19,313 --> 01:35:21,474
Wish you were her.
1626
01:35:21,582 --> 01:35:23,413
How many of these things
is he going to send me?
1627
01:35:23,517 --> 01:35:26,350
Beyonce:
Why don't you love me?
1628
01:35:26,454 --> 01:35:28,718
Tell me baby why don't you love me
1629
01:35:28,823 --> 01:35:33,021
When I make me
so damn easy to love.
1630
01:35:35,029 --> 01:35:36,724
Brewster:
You know, when I started seeing girls,
1631
01:35:36,831 --> 01:35:39,322
teenage, twenty, young girls,
1632
01:35:39,433 --> 01:35:42,027
with Bettie tattoos,
I could not believe it.
1633
01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:45,438
And why don't you need me?
1634
01:35:45,539 --> 01:35:48,007
Brewster:
They're looking at her as a role model,
1635
01:35:48,109 --> 01:35:52,102
as this symbol of joyous sexual freedom.
1636
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:54,681
Tell me, baby,
why don't you love me
1637
01:35:54,782 --> 01:35:58,047
When I make me so damn easy to love?
1638
01:36:02,623 --> 01:36:03,817
Bann: It's a tribute to her.
1639
01:36:03,924 --> 01:36:06,324
These heartbreaking good looks,
1640
01:36:06,494 --> 01:36:09,793
the riveting appeal of her personality,
1641
01:36:09,897 --> 01:36:13,355
still to this day
inspires the kind of response
1642
01:36:13,467 --> 01:36:16,265
that you get from artists,
1643
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:19,362
fashion designers,
1644
01:36:19,473 --> 01:36:22,533
and the fandom,
which we know is incredible.
1645
01:36:23,711 --> 01:36:26,839
The Bettie Page they love is very real.
1646
01:36:26,947 --> 01:36:31,941
In other words, I think that
she had this kind of amoral attitude
1647
01:36:32,052 --> 01:36:36,386
towards sexuality and nudity,
and even, you know, the bondage things.
1648
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:41,894
She did not disgrace those
who looked more sternly
1649
01:36:41,996 --> 01:36:46,057
upon portraits of sexuality.
1650
01:36:46,167 --> 01:36:51,002
I think she handled
her phases of life with dignity.
1651
01:36:52,139 --> 01:36:56,803
The suggestion back then
that sex was simply a natural,
1652
01:36:56,911 --> 01:37:01,245
normal part of life
was very revolutionary,
1653
01:37:01,348 --> 01:37:08,015
and helped to change
the values of our time.
1654
01:37:09,023 --> 01:37:12,720
I think that in that context
Bettie Page is truly iconic.
1655
01:37:15,863 --> 01:37:18,354
If you think the images
are wonderful, you have no idea.
1656
01:37:18,465 --> 01:37:20,933
She's a wonderful human being.
1657
01:37:21,035 --> 01:37:24,869
Bettie: I never thought of myself
as anything special or important.
1658
01:37:24,972 --> 01:37:28,271
I was just doing my job
and enjoyed ever bit of it.
1659
01:37:28,375 --> 01:37:30,240
(Bettie laughs)
1660
01:37:30,344 --> 01:37:34,405
And I'm so thankful
that you like my pictures
1661
01:37:34,515 --> 01:37:38,110
and that you care as much
as you do about me,
1662
01:37:38,219 --> 01:37:42,519
and I wish you all the best,
every one of you.
1663
01:37:51,432 --> 01:37:53,900
("21 st Century Bettie Page"
by Jack Rabbit Slim playing)
1664
01:38:04,445 --> 01:38:07,812
Well I've seen her face,
in a magazine
1665
01:38:07,915 --> 01:38:09,507
She was looking real cute
1666
01:38:09,617 --> 01:38:11,278
Yea, without her jeans
1667
01:38:11,385 --> 01:38:12,977
She was staring back at me
1668
01:38:13,087 --> 01:38:14,418
With those cunning bad eyes
1669
01:38:14,521 --> 01:38:17,718
I got so turned on,
it was hard to disguise
1670
01:38:17,825 --> 01:38:21,261
The 21 st Century Bettie Page
1671
01:38:21,362 --> 01:38:24,354
The 21 st Century
Bettie Page
1672
01:38:24,465 --> 01:38:27,628
Well she's got a different look,
it's from another page
1673
01:38:27,735 --> 01:38:31,637
She's a 21 st Century Bettie Page
1674
01:38:37,645 --> 01:38:41,081
Well, I found her name
from a mixed flat mate...
1675
01:38:41,181 --> 01:38:43,615
I am a huge fan, I love her.
1676
01:38:43,717 --> 01:38:45,776
We are the daughters of Bettie Page.
1677
01:38:45,886 --> 01:38:48,150
There's a little Bettie in all of us.
1678
01:38:48,255 --> 01:38:50,314
Everyone has a dark side to them
1679
01:38:50,424 --> 01:38:53,621
and she just showed
her dark side the best way possible.
1680
01:38:53,727 --> 01:38:59,563
Wild, strong, liberated,
yet extremely sexy woman.
1681
01:39:00,834 --> 01:39:02,597
- Bettie: Hello?
- Bettie?
1682
01:39:02,703 --> 01:39:04,102
Yes?
1683
01:39:04,204 --> 01:39:07,537
It's been so many years.
This is Paula Klaw, how are you?
1684
01:39:07,641 --> 01:39:10,371
Very good.
Gee, you sound like a young girl.
1685
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,976
I like my privacy these days,
I don't even give out interviews at all.
1686
01:39:17,084 --> 01:39:19,552
Yeah, I know. Good for you.
1687
01:39:19,653 --> 01:39:21,245
So what's your biggest seller now?
1688
01:39:21,355 --> 01:39:22,617
Bettie Page.
1689
01:39:22,723 --> 01:39:24,350
You're kidding, I don't believe you.
1690
01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:28,861
Do believe me.
Everybody wants your pictures, Bettie.
1691
01:39:28,963 --> 01:39:33,559
I know, I can't get over the popularity.
1692
01:39:33,667 --> 01:39:36,602
Well, I'm sure you must have
been doing something right.
1693
01:39:36,704 --> 01:39:38,001
(Bettie laughs)
1694
01:39:38,105 --> 01:39:40,835
I don't know,
it amazes me, I'm telling you.
1695
01:39:40,941 --> 01:39:42,533
I don't understand it at all.
1696
01:39:42,643 --> 01:39:47,945
Well, what a delight to talk to you
after so many years.
1697
01:39:48,048 --> 01:39:49,515
(Bettie laughs)
Okay.
1698
01:39:49,616 --> 01:39:51,277
- Okay.
- All right.
1699
01:39:51,385 --> 01:39:53,478
Okay, sweetheart,
it was a delight talking to you.
1700
01:39:53,587 --> 01:39:54,781
Same here, Paula.
1701
01:39:54,888 --> 01:39:56,549
Okay, love you, sweetheart.
1702
01:39:56,657 --> 01:39:57,646
You too.
1703
01:39:57,758 --> 01:39:59,851
And I think of you fondly
and Irving too.
1704
01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:01,291
Thank you, darling.
1705
01:40:01,395 --> 01:40:03,955
- Bye bye.
- Bye bye.
1706
01:40:04,064 --> 01:40:06,794
I didn't hardly recognize her voice,
1707
01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:08,595
it's even so much deeper.
1708
01:40:08,702 --> 01:40:11,899
I guess in the years your voice changes,
1709
01:40:12,006 --> 01:40:15,533
'cause she's got
like a hoarseness to her voice.
1710
01:40:15,642 --> 01:40:17,974
But the same Bettie.
1711
01:40:18,078 --> 01:40:20,569
Love her, she sounds so great.
1712
01:40:20,681 --> 01:40:21,841
("Oh Betty" by Olivia Olson playing)
1713
01:40:21,949 --> 01:40:23,416
Oh Betty
1714
01:40:23,517 --> 01:40:26,953
Sweet and fun
and kind of saucy
1715
01:40:27,054 --> 01:40:31,150
You can be a little bossy
1716
01:40:31,258 --> 01:40:32,953
But I don't care
1717
01:40:33,060 --> 01:40:36,496
Just wink at me in your underwear
1718
01:40:36,597 --> 01:40:38,292
Oh Betty
1719
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:41,994
The world is not quite ready
1720
01:40:42,102 --> 01:40:45,629
For you and your satin teddy
1721
01:40:45,739 --> 01:40:47,604
But you're a star
1722
01:40:47,708 --> 01:40:51,269
And I will take you
just the way you are
1723
01:40:51,378 --> 01:40:54,472
Betty, in color or black and white
1724
01:40:54,581 --> 01:40:56,446
On a bear skin rug
1725
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:58,450
Or dressed up tight
1726
01:40:58,552 --> 01:41:01,851
Betty, with a smile so sweet
1727
01:41:01,955 --> 01:41:03,445
It just melts my heart
1728
01:41:03,557 --> 01:41:05,684
Maybe some day we'll meet
1729
01:41:05,793 --> 01:41:09,456
Maybe
some day we'll meet
1730
01:41:09,563 --> 01:41:12,691
Betty, can you stay the night?
1731
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,859
Don't have to ask your mother
1732
01:41:14,968 --> 01:41:16,731
If it will be all right
1733
01:41:16,837 --> 01:41:19,397
Betty, please say you might
1734
01:41:20,507 --> 01:41:25,206
Betty, please say you might.
1735
01:41:28,206 --> 01:41:32,206
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