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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,088 --> 00:00:19,088 www.titlovi.com 2 00:00:22,088 --> 00:00:24,249 Ladies and Gentlemen, here she is now. 3 00:00:24,357 --> 00:00:28,259 Let's get together and meet that very delightful, 4 00:00:28,361 --> 00:00:31,125 that sultry siren of the southland, 5 00:00:31,231 --> 00:00:34,359 the lovely Bettie Page. 6 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:36,094 (crowd applauding) 7 00:00:37,337 --> 00:00:40,238 ('50s beach music playing) 8 00:00:52,585 --> 00:00:53,813 Who are you? 9 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,821 I'm an illusion. 10 00:00:56,923 --> 00:00:58,948 You're an illusion? 11 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:01,755 Then you're not real? 12 00:01:01,861 --> 00:01:04,261 Of course, I'm real. 13 00:01:04,364 --> 00:01:06,332 It is very difficult 14 00:01:06,433 --> 00:01:10,460 to find a parallel for her. 15 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:14,301 I mean, this combination of... 16 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:16,341 naughty and nice. 17 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:21,039 And it is all in the context of innocence. 18 00:01:21,147 --> 00:01:23,911 She expressed sexual liberation. 19 00:01:24,017 --> 00:01:27,145 Bettie is still this subversive, 20 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:30,347 adventurous, sexual persona 21 00:01:30,457 --> 00:01:32,482 that people are trying to emulate. 22 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:34,492 I think it's like the confusion 23 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:37,119 between maybe the real person 24 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:39,892 and the artwork and the cartoons, 25 00:01:39,999 --> 00:01:41,296 like all of these... 26 00:01:41,401 --> 00:01:43,995 it's sort of confusing even whether she was a real person or not. 27 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,937 People love Bettie Page for her whole being 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,804 for the radiance that she exuded, 29 00:01:49,909 --> 00:01:52,639 the sexuality that she showed 30 00:01:52,745 --> 00:01:55,771 without being cheap, ever. 31 00:01:55,882 --> 00:01:58,373 And women gravitated to that concept. 32 00:01:58,485 --> 00:02:00,817 The remarkable thing about her image is 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,717 how much it has influenced pop culture 34 00:02:02,822 --> 00:02:06,087 from movies to music to fashion. It's remarkable. 35 00:02:06,192 --> 00:02:08,092 ("Bettie Page" by Paul Spencer playing) 36 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:33,748 (people chattering) 37 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:48,260 Perez Hilton: One of the things that I love about her iconography 38 00:02:48,368 --> 00:02:52,168 is that she just portrayed herself as a very strong woman, 39 00:02:52,272 --> 00:02:55,105 even if she was not in the position of power. 40 00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:56,937 (women scream) 41 00:02:58,878 --> 00:03:02,405 She's lasted because she has that rare quality 42 00:03:02,515 --> 00:03:05,916 that's sort of hard to define, it's that sort of ultimate star quality. 43 00:03:07,453 --> 00:03:10,445 I feel like a lot of girls like me 44 00:03:10,557 --> 00:03:12,149 can identify with Bettie 45 00:03:12,258 --> 00:03:14,123 because you can kind of capture the spirit 46 00:03:14,227 --> 00:03:18,163 of that sexy, sensual, timeless look. 47 00:03:19,632 --> 00:03:23,466 She looks fantastic and I think that's what men prefer. 48 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:30,442 I don't think men prefer the really skinny, bones thin women. 49 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:33,478 I think Bettie Page is a real woman. 50 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:36,014 I mean she have form, boobs, 51 00:03:36,115 --> 00:03:39,243 butt, and that's very beautiful. 52 00:03:41,788 --> 00:03:45,485 I gave her a lot of credit because she opened the door for a lot of us. 53 00:03:48,861 --> 00:03:51,489 She's the most important glamour icon 54 00:03:51,598 --> 00:03:54,624 that she really paved the way for all the rest. 55 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:01,971 And she's beautiful but yet she's approachable, 56 00:04:02,075 --> 00:04:03,542 she's the girl next door. 57 00:04:03,643 --> 00:04:06,339 Bettie Page is the good girl but she's a bad girl. 58 00:04:06,446 --> 00:04:08,243 She's fun, she's playful. 59 00:04:08,348 --> 00:04:10,077 All right, bitch, bring it. 60 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:15,680 (all cheering) 61 00:04:15,788 --> 00:04:17,517 (screams) 62 00:04:17,624 --> 00:04:19,922 Oh, st... ah! 63 00:04:20,026 --> 00:04:23,393 I mean, she's the reason why we're all here today 64 00:04:23,496 --> 00:04:24,758 in a sense is because of her, 65 00:04:24,864 --> 00:04:28,163 I mean, she's the original pinup girl, she's the original. 66 00:04:28,268 --> 00:04:30,361 We're all going to be dust, 67 00:04:30,470 --> 00:04:32,097 they'll be nothing else anymore, 68 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:35,072 and there'll always be Bettie Page no matter what. 69 00:04:35,174 --> 00:04:36,573 She had the magic. 70 00:04:36,676 --> 00:04:38,268 She was deeply religious. 71 00:04:38,378 --> 00:04:41,711 She was willing to do all kinds of crazy outrageous things. 72 00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:44,806 There's some rather large skeletons in that woman's closet. 73 00:04:44,917 --> 00:04:47,613 How do you reconcile that behavior 74 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,919 with the image that she projects in these photographs? 75 00:04:53,026 --> 00:04:56,826 She reached the peak of popularity in her profession and disappeared. 76 00:04:56,929 --> 00:04:59,955 Nobody knew what happened to Bettie Page. 77 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:04,561 (Avery Parrish's "After Hours" playing) 78 00:06:19,779 --> 00:06:22,304 ("Amazing Grace" playing on bagpipes) 79 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:05,323 Bettie, if you know what's going on, 80 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:10,453 I want to tell you this is your friend Robert Schuller saying, 81 00:07:10,563 --> 00:07:15,694 "This too is the day that God has made. 82 00:07:15,802 --> 00:07:20,296 Let us rejoice and be glad in it." 83 00:07:20,406 --> 00:07:24,934 We all thought we knew her from different perspectives, 84 00:07:25,044 --> 00:07:28,343 but I'm sure no one will leave this place today 85 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:30,439 without having had another glimpse 86 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:35,146 into the private heart of Bettie. 87 00:07:38,357 --> 00:07:43,021 Mark Mori: Okay, Bettie, I'll just ask you some questions. 88 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:44,118 Bettie: Okay. 89 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:46,425 Mark: You were born in Nashville, right? 90 00:07:46,532 --> 00:07:49,365 Bettie: I was born in Nashville, Tennessee, 91 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,870 April 22nd, 1 923. 92 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:56,874 We were so poor, we lived on beans, 93 00:07:56,976 --> 00:07:59,843 fried potatoes, and macaroni. 94 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:02,915 You couldn't talk to Mama, 95 00:08:03,015 --> 00:08:06,507 she didn't want any girls in the first place. 96 00:08:06,619 --> 00:08:09,645 She always wanted only two boys. 97 00:08:11,424 --> 00:08:14,257 My father was a womanizer of the worst sort. 98 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,828 A sex fiend is the way to put it. 99 00:08:16,929 --> 00:08:21,457 I mean sex with anything that he could get his "you know what" into. 100 00:08:21,567 --> 00:08:26,300 Chickens, and sheep, and cows, and anything. 101 00:08:26,405 --> 00:08:29,101 And in order to get 10 cents to go to the movies, 102 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:31,506 I let him fool around on the outside. 103 00:08:31,611 --> 00:08:35,741 Now, he didn't penetrate me inside like he did my two sisters. 104 00:08:38,784 --> 00:08:42,720 Mama left him and hitchhiked 30 miles to Nashville 105 00:08:42,822 --> 00:08:44,813 with six children, 106 00:08:44,924 --> 00:08:47,222 and she was uneducated, only a third grade education, 107 00:08:47,326 --> 00:08:49,226 she had no trade at all, 108 00:08:49,328 --> 00:08:51,922 and she couldn't take care of all six of us children, 109 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:55,762 so my two sisters and I were put in a Protestant orphanage for a year. 110 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:01,840 The orphanage was run by three old maids. 111 00:09:01,941 --> 00:09:06,776 They would talk to us like dogs, they were very mean to us, 112 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:09,279 and they had me scrubbing floors all the time. 113 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:11,714 I was only 1 1 years old then. 114 00:09:13,653 --> 00:09:16,178 We just hated that place. 115 00:09:16,289 --> 00:09:19,087 I was so glad to get out of there. 116 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:27,229 I learned to pose from movie star pictures 117 00:09:27,333 --> 00:09:30,131 in magazines and newspapers. 118 00:09:32,838 --> 00:09:37,298 And my sisters and I would try to mimic their poses. 119 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:41,471 We'd even get out in the front yard with our underwear on. 120 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:43,481 (Bettie laughs) 121 00:09:45,818 --> 00:09:47,479 I had several photographers 122 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,316 and amateur photographers 123 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:50,980 come up and approach me and ask me 124 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:54,582 if they could take pictures of me, I always said yes. 125 00:09:56,629 --> 00:10:01,157 My dream when I was in high school was to be Valedictorian, 126 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:05,169 and I studied so hard trying to be Valedictorian 127 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:10,971 because with it was a four year scholarship to Vanderbilt University. 128 00:10:11,077 --> 00:10:13,477 But I was beat out of Valedictorian 129 00:10:13,579 --> 00:10:16,207 by one-quarter of a point now, 130 00:10:16,315 --> 00:10:20,183 can you imagine, and I had to settle for being Salutatorian. 131 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,982 And all I got was a $100 scholarship 132 00:10:23,089 --> 00:10:25,751 to George Peabody College for Teachers. 133 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:31,422 After high school, I started dating Billy Neal. 134 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:35,728 He was a big sports hero around town. 135 00:10:35,835 --> 00:10:37,769 And he taught me to dance, 136 00:10:37,870 --> 00:10:40,839 which I've always loved. 137 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:45,240 And he taught me everything about sex too, 138 00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:47,835 which I enjoyed. 139 00:10:50,049 --> 00:10:52,540 Well, when the war came on, 140 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:55,143 he was drafted one day into the army, 141 00:10:55,254 --> 00:10:59,122 and he started bugging me about marrying him. 142 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:01,750 We got on the bus and went 143 00:11:01,861 --> 00:11:04,056 30 miles to Galliton, Tennessee, 144 00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:07,064 and were married in five minutes. 145 00:11:08,901 --> 00:11:11,836 And when I got on the bus to go back with him, 146 00:11:11,937 --> 00:11:15,031 I said to myself, "What have I done?" 147 00:11:20,479 --> 00:11:25,473 Well, we were in San Francisco, 1 944. 148 00:11:25,584 --> 00:11:28,052 And this fella, he took a lot of pictures of me 149 00:11:28,154 --> 00:11:31,282 and sent some of them down to 20th Century Fox. 150 00:11:31,390 --> 00:11:35,793 I had a screen test with John Russell 151 00:11:35,895 --> 00:11:40,298 who later played the lawman on a TV series. 152 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,266 But that test was awful. 153 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:45,803 They tried to make me up 154 00:11:45,905 --> 00:11:48,100 to look like Joan Crawford. 155 00:11:48,207 --> 00:11:51,199 Didn't even look like me. 156 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:52,641 (20th Century Fox theme playing) 157 00:11:52,745 --> 00:11:54,337 While I was at the studio, 158 00:11:54,447 --> 00:11:57,211 - This big car pulled up beside me... - (wolf whistles) 159 00:11:57,316 --> 00:11:59,682 ...and a big fat guy, 160 00:11:59,785 --> 00:12:01,650 very ugly looking fella, 161 00:12:01,754 --> 00:12:03,881 wanted me to go to dinner with him. 162 00:12:03,989 --> 00:12:05,854 I told him no. 163 00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:09,519 And he said, "You'll be sorry. " 164 00:12:09,628 --> 00:12:11,960 Well, he was at the head of the table 165 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:14,862 when I went to learn 166 00:12:14,967 --> 00:12:16,696 the results of the screen test. 167 00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:18,565 That test was awful. 168 00:12:19,705 --> 00:12:21,866 I was so disappointed and unhappy 169 00:12:21,974 --> 00:12:24,670 over the failure of the screen test, 170 00:12:24,777 --> 00:12:26,267 when I got back to San Francisco, 171 00:12:26,378 --> 00:12:28,812 I started eating. 172 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:32,907 Within two months, I ballooned way up to 162 pounds. 173 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:36,484 Well, my sister came to visit me, 174 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:38,352 Goldie, from Nashville. 175 00:12:38,457 --> 00:12:41,688 She said that the landlord, he had cussed her out 176 00:12:41,794 --> 00:12:44,422 and accused her of causing 177 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:48,523 the sink in the bathroom to fall off the wall. 178 00:12:48,634 --> 00:12:51,467 I went to the door, and boy, he flew in on me, 179 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:55,267 beating me in the face with his fist, just a mad man. 180 00:12:55,374 --> 00:12:58,935 And Goldie grabbed the milk bottle and cracked him over the head with it. 181 00:12:59,044 --> 00:13:01,569 And he started bleeding down the front of his head, 182 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,979 and he thought he was dying, and we did too. 183 00:13:05,084 --> 00:13:07,848 Because Goldie was underage, 184 00:13:07,953 --> 00:13:11,719 under 21, I'm the one who had to testify, 185 00:13:11,824 --> 00:13:15,089 even though I'm not the one who hit him over the head. 186 00:13:15,194 --> 00:13:20,131 But they gave me a 30-day suspended sentence and I had to pay 10 dollars, 187 00:13:20,232 --> 00:13:23,963 and it was in the paper, a great big picture of me 188 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:27,835 and a big headline, "Tenant Bashes Landlord". 189 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:29,271 (Bettie chuckles) 190 00:13:33,646 --> 00:13:38,276 Well, Billy came back from fighting overseas. 191 00:13:38,384 --> 00:13:40,318 He had battle fatigue, you know, he was in the hospital, 192 00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:43,752 in the army hospital in Guam for about six months. 193 00:13:43,856 --> 00:13:46,381 When he came home, he wasn't the same guy. 194 00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:48,619 He was a jealous maniac. 195 00:13:48,727 --> 00:13:52,595 Accused me of sleeping with every sailor in San Francisco, 196 00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:54,632 and he went off the deep end. 197 00:13:54,733 --> 00:13:58,066 So I tried so hard to make a go of it with him but it was impossible. 198 00:13:58,170 --> 00:14:00,730 We were sitting in the kitchen, 199 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,035 and he had a knife right at my throat, 200 00:14:03,142 --> 00:14:06,043 he was gonna cut me with it if I divorced him. 201 00:14:06,145 --> 00:14:09,137 I went ahead and divorced him anyhow. 202 00:14:13,018 --> 00:14:15,680 When I went to New York, I was getting over 203 00:14:15,788 --> 00:14:20,020 my divorce from Billy Neal and the miserable marriage. 204 00:14:21,193 --> 00:14:24,856 I liked all the lights on Broadway. 205 00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:27,762 And I liked Central Park. 206 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:33,396 All I paid for my apartment on West 46th Street, 207 00:14:33,505 --> 00:14:38,738 46 dollars and 29 cents a month. 208 00:14:38,844 --> 00:14:41,813 I used to go to the Roseland ballroom. 209 00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:45,145 And then I went dancing so much. 210 00:14:45,251 --> 00:14:48,243 I was a movie fiend in those days. 211 00:14:48,354 --> 00:14:50,914 Didn't cost much of anything, 40 or 50 cents, 212 00:14:51,023 --> 00:14:53,423 something like that, to see a double feature. 213 00:14:55,461 --> 00:14:58,589 One night, I was very lonely, 214 00:14:58,697 --> 00:15:03,566 and I was walking along Broadway, and a good looking fella came up 215 00:15:03,669 --> 00:15:05,762 and started talking to me, introduced himself. 216 00:15:05,871 --> 00:15:09,602 He was very polite and courteous, seemed like a very nice fella. 217 00:15:09,708 --> 00:15:12,176 He asked me, "Would like to go dancing?" 218 00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:14,678 I said, "Sure, I'd love to go. " 219 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:16,372 So we got in the car, 220 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:17,847 and he and I sat in the back, 221 00:15:17,950 --> 00:15:21,010 and the girlfriend and the boyfriend driving. 222 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,022 Well, we stopped at a red light, and two guys jumped in the car. 223 00:15:25,124 --> 00:15:26,716 We went farther on, 224 00:15:26,825 --> 00:15:29,521 two more fellas got in the car. 225 00:15:29,628 --> 00:15:33,223 But when it hit me, a big pain shot through me 226 00:15:33,332 --> 00:15:35,095 as we crossed that bridge and I thought, 227 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,498 "We are not going dancing. " 228 00:15:39,471 --> 00:15:42,736 You can imagine how you would have felt then 229 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:46,777 with six men in the car and the two women. 230 00:15:49,181 --> 00:15:51,046 The guy in front and his girlfriend 231 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:53,414 got out of the car and went behind the building. 232 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,955 I thought real fast, and I said I'm menstruating, 233 00:15:57,056 --> 00:15:59,456 you can't have sex with me. 234 00:15:59,558 --> 00:16:02,789 And all five of those snakes forced me 235 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:06,592 to perform oral sex on every one of them. 236 00:16:09,335 --> 00:16:13,931 They could have killed me or something and left me dead behind that school. 237 00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:21,370 I went home to Mama right away, I was so frightened. 238 00:16:27,886 --> 00:16:31,583 Back in New York, the first secretarial job I ever had 239 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:35,490 in New York was for the American Bread Company. 240 00:16:35,594 --> 00:16:38,586 I was a secretary to the office manager. 241 00:16:43,035 --> 00:16:44,195 I had a small room up on the fifth floor of an old brownstone house. 242 00:16:44,236 --> 00:16:45,498 (knocking on door) 243 00:16:45,604 --> 00:16:49,233 Somebody knocked on the door around midnight. 244 00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:50,808 Woman: Who is it? 245 00:16:50,909 --> 00:16:52,843 And he said, "Bettie, open the door, it's Billy. " 246 00:16:52,945 --> 00:16:55,175 - Woman: What do you want? - Bettie: "Let me in. " 247 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,046 A friend of mine in the next apartment, a little fella named Jimmy, 248 00:16:59,151 --> 00:17:01,779 a 50-year-old man, came out to the door 249 00:17:01,887 --> 00:17:04,321 and asked what was going on. 250 00:17:04,423 --> 00:17:06,050 Well, Billy told him to mind his own business, 251 00:17:06,158 --> 00:17:09,525 and he cut little Jimmy across the face, 252 00:17:09,628 --> 00:17:12,062 a couple of inches with a knife now. 253 00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:15,224 He was going to kill me with a knife is what he was going to do. 254 00:17:16,568 --> 00:17:18,160 He must have left. 255 00:17:18,270 --> 00:17:20,534 He didn't come back. 256 00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:27,006 I was working as secretary, way up high 257 00:17:27,112 --> 00:17:29,580 in the Eastern Airlines building on the 1 2th floor, 258 00:17:29,681 --> 00:17:33,173 overlooking the skating rink in Rockefeller Center, 259 00:17:33,285 --> 00:17:35,219 a very nice place to work. 260 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,086 And that's where I met the love of my life, Carlos Garcia Arrese. 261 00:17:39,191 --> 00:17:40,283 (laughs) 262 00:17:40,392 --> 00:17:42,826 You know I was a nut over dancing back in those days. 263 00:17:42,928 --> 00:17:47,422 And he taught me the rumba, and mambo, and cha-cha, and samba. 264 00:17:47,533 --> 00:17:50,229 And he was very good at it. 265 00:17:50,335 --> 00:17:53,998 Well, we dated and we were making mad love, 266 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:56,006 he was a very good lover. 267 00:17:57,476 --> 00:18:00,070 One night I was up at his apartment, 268 00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:03,876 all of a sudden, a big loud knocking on the door, 269 00:18:03,982 --> 00:18:05,882 "Carlos, open up the door, I know you're in there. " 270 00:18:05,984 --> 00:18:10,478 And she was really mad, and I thought, oh gosh, who's that? 271 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:12,523 And he said, "Bettie, that's my wife. " 272 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:14,888 I said, "Your wife/" 273 00:18:14,993 --> 00:18:18,929 I never felt so low in my life, I felt like two cents. 274 00:18:19,031 --> 00:18:22,967 I didn't want to see him again because he had deceived me. 275 00:18:23,068 --> 00:18:27,596 But if I had known he was married I would never have dated him. 276 00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:35,979 I always wanted to be a fashion model. 277 00:18:36,081 --> 00:18:40,347 And I went to... let's see, what was the name of the most famous one? 278 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:42,920 Ford, that's it. She says, "Oh, my. " 279 00:18:43,021 --> 00:18:45,581 She says, "You would never do as a fashion model. " 280 00:18:45,691 --> 00:18:47,989 She says, "In the first place, you're not tall enough. " 281 00:18:48,093 --> 00:18:50,584 But she says, "More than that, " she says, "you're too hippy. " 282 00:18:50,696 --> 00:18:52,926 You've got to be skin and bones, you know. 283 00:18:53,031 --> 00:18:55,465 Even back then, to be a fashion model. 284 00:18:59,738 --> 00:19:04,698 In October 1 950, I was walking out on Coney Island. 285 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:07,278 Nobody was on the beach in that area, 286 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:09,609 except this black fella, Jerry Tibbs. 287 00:19:09,715 --> 00:19:13,811 He gave me his card and he said, "I'm a Brooklyn policeman. " 288 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:17,252 He said, "I think you'd make a good pinup model. " 289 00:19:17,356 --> 00:19:20,416 He said, "I have a studio, if you would come over there 290 00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:22,494 free of charge, I'll make you up a portfolio 291 00:19:22,594 --> 00:19:25,563 that you could take around to the studios. " 292 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,690 I posed in a couple of bikinis of his. 293 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,633 But he said, "Bettie, have you ever tried to wear bangs?" 294 00:19:31,737 --> 00:19:35,366 He said, "You have a very high forehead, I think you'd look good in bangs. " 295 00:19:35,474 --> 00:19:38,034 So I went home and cut me some. 296 00:19:38,143 --> 00:19:43,308 And I've been wearing them ever since, its sort of been a trademark of mine, 297 00:19:43,415 --> 00:19:45,781 I'm still wearing them. 298 00:19:45,884 --> 00:19:48,284 Mark: That's that famous Bettie Page look, isn't it? 299 00:19:48,387 --> 00:19:49,979 (Bettie laughs) 300 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:53,920 Bettie: I think I was about 27 301 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:55,618 when I started modeling, 302 00:19:55,727 --> 00:19:57,422 but I looked much younger. 303 00:19:57,529 --> 00:20:00,225 All of the writers and editors 304 00:20:00,332 --> 00:20:02,926 would say I was 22 years old, 305 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:05,595 they were saying that for years that I was 22. 306 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:09,162 I never refuted it, I never said anything one way or another, 307 00:20:09,274 --> 00:20:11,208 let them think what they wanted to. 308 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:12,971 (Bettie laughs) 309 00:20:13,178 --> 00:20:17,547 The first modeling I did was for the camera clubs. 310 00:20:17,649 --> 00:20:21,210 First one was Cass Carr who was an orchestra leader. 311 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:24,949 Every Sunday we'd say we're going out 312 00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:27,753 to Headly Farm in New Jersey or some other farm, 313 00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:31,295 or we're going out to Fire Island or Broad Channel Bay. 314 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:34,888 Bettie Page and four other amateur models will be with them, 315 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,730 and it would cost ten dollars or five dollars. 316 00:20:37,836 --> 00:20:41,237 Bettie: There would be maybe 30 or 40 camera club members 317 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:43,865 and three or four models. 318 00:20:43,976 --> 00:20:46,410 We would go on field trips, on weekends, 319 00:20:46,511 --> 00:20:48,604 upstate New York, over in New Jersey, 320 00:20:48,714 --> 00:20:51,239 on the beaches, especially on Fire Island. 321 00:20:52,985 --> 00:20:55,453 I got 25 dollars a day. 322 00:20:57,289 --> 00:21:01,749 And we would be gone all afternoon and they would bring lunches, 323 00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:05,193 and I enjoyed the outings very much. 324 00:21:05,297 --> 00:21:09,427 They were always polite and courteous to us. 325 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:11,331 I enjoyed posing for them. 326 00:21:11,436 --> 00:21:14,599 It was absolutely fun photographing Bettie. 327 00:21:14,706 --> 00:21:18,506 And I could tell, I think it shows up in the photographs, 328 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,441 that she enjoyed it too. 329 00:21:20,545 --> 00:21:21,910 She was happy. 330 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:24,812 She was exhilarated. 331 00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:26,144 She projected. 332 00:21:26,251 --> 00:21:28,219 She came right out at you. 333 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,754 Whereas others were just pretty. 334 00:21:30,856 --> 00:21:34,087 When she turned, she didn't just turn and smile, 335 00:21:34,192 --> 00:21:35,989 her hands, her body, her feet, 336 00:21:36,094 --> 00:21:38,153 everything moved, everything moved. 337 00:21:38,263 --> 00:21:41,426 She smiled with her face, she smiled with her whole body. 338 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:43,558 And that's something very few girls got. 339 00:21:45,203 --> 00:21:48,195 Amsie: The good pinup involves three things: 340 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:52,107 Pose, clothes, and expression. 341 00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:55,008 She knew just when I said, pert, saucy, 342 00:21:55,113 --> 00:21:58,207 frisky, haughty, angry, sullen, 343 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:01,115 whereas with many other models I'd have to tell them, 344 00:22:01,219 --> 00:22:03,084 "Well, no, tilt your head up a little bit," 345 00:22:03,188 --> 00:22:06,180 "Move it up like that," "Raise your eyes," etcetera. 346 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:08,486 She would pop up into that right away. 347 00:22:08,593 --> 00:22:11,619 Bettie: I was very happy posing. 348 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:13,391 And I never had any problem 349 00:22:13,498 --> 00:22:15,864 thinking of what to do with my body. 350 00:22:15,967 --> 00:22:20,802 I could think of a thousand different poses that just came natural to me. 351 00:22:20,906 --> 00:22:23,397 Sometimes I would imagine 352 00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:26,375 the camera was my boyfriend. 353 00:22:26,478 --> 00:22:30,005 And I would play to my boyfriend. 354 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:34,381 Amsie: All I do know is that when Bettie Page was announced 355 00:22:34,486 --> 00:22:37,284 as being the feature model 356 00:22:37,389 --> 00:22:39,983 of next Sunday's shoot, 357 00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:42,583 there was a big crowd. 358 00:22:45,597 --> 00:22:47,428 Mark: Did the guys in the camera clubs 359 00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:49,830 ask you out for dates a lot? 360 00:22:49,935 --> 00:22:50,993 Bettie: No. 361 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,663 Now I wouldn't date anybody who drank or smoke. 362 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:58,573 I just don't like the taste of cigarettes on your breath, 363 00:22:58,677 --> 00:23:01,145 and I hate alcohol. 364 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,545 One of the most interesting characters in this entire story 365 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:07,618 was Richard Arbib, 366 00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:10,017 one of her ex-boyfriends. 367 00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:15,082 He was a top designer of the '50s. 368 00:23:15,193 --> 00:23:20,062 Designed cars, watches, extremely well known designer. 369 00:23:24,636 --> 00:23:28,766 Richard had split up with his wife, 370 00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:30,273 and met Bettie, 371 00:23:30,375 --> 00:23:32,605 and they had a red hot romance, 372 00:23:32,711 --> 00:23:35,271 they were deeply in love. 373 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:39,783 He took her in his two seater down to Florida. 374 00:23:39,885 --> 00:23:42,410 Arbib: Well, we just decided we'd take off 375 00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:45,684 and go to Florida for three weeks. 376 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:49,352 She wanted to have sex with me in the car and I said, 377 00:23:49,461 --> 00:23:52,396 "If you're going to do that, I've got to stop 'cause I'll go off the road. " 378 00:23:52,497 --> 00:23:55,261 So she's going away at me, 379 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,598 and all of a sudden there's a flashlight in the door, 380 00:23:58,703 --> 00:24:02,002 it was raining cats and dogs, there's a state trooper there. 381 00:24:02,174 --> 00:24:05,439 And I thought he was going to arrest us for having sex in the car. 382 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:11,515 All he said was, "You all know you've got one tail light out. " 383 00:24:11,616 --> 00:24:15,484 Bettie had a very normal sex life. 384 00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:19,455 She wasn't inhibited, she wasn't hung up in any way at all. 385 00:24:19,558 --> 00:24:22,823 She liked sex and she was very good at it. 386 00:24:22,928 --> 00:24:26,329 Theakson: Arbib told me he designed a watch for Bettie. 387 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:29,298 It was a custom made piece for Bettie Page. 388 00:24:29,401 --> 00:24:32,302 He was renowned for his watches. 389 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,774 This was a unique one of a kind piece. 390 00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:42,336 He presented it to her and she wore it proudly. 391 00:24:42,447 --> 00:24:46,178 And for some reason, Richard decided that 392 00:24:46,284 --> 00:24:48,047 he was going to give it one more shot with his wife, 393 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:50,621 and it didn't work out with his wife, 394 00:24:50,722 --> 00:24:52,747 and when he came back, Bettie was gone. 395 00:24:52,858 --> 00:24:56,760 And that was the regret of his life. 396 00:24:58,363 --> 00:25:02,299 All of the guys that I knew that met this woman, 397 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,736 had this, "The one that got away" ennui about them. 398 00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:14,144 She wasn't just a pretty face with nothing behind it, she was not a facade. 399 00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:16,146 She had a high IQ. 400 00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:20,651 And had a great range of things that interested her. 401 00:25:23,488 --> 00:25:24,955 Bettie: I used to make a lot of my clothes. 402 00:25:25,056 --> 00:25:28,583 I made all my bikinis, most of my lingerie. 403 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,661 I enjoyed making them. 404 00:25:33,064 --> 00:25:36,363 Bettie used to design stuff. 405 00:25:36,468 --> 00:25:38,402 She could have made a fortune. 406 00:25:38,503 --> 00:25:42,269 'Cause she had an eye for it, she knew what was sexy. 407 00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:46,572 Bettie: Bikinis were never heard of on the beaches in this country. 408 00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:48,612 (big band music playing) 409 00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:50,704 Male announcer: Don't know what the wild waves are saying, 410 00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:53,841 but the gals are talking about the latest thing in swimming attire. 411 00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:56,944 A suit with a built in girdle. 412 00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,353 Bettie: I made them real skimpy. 413 00:25:59,457 --> 00:26:01,789 It was considered very risque. 414 00:26:04,529 --> 00:26:06,929 One of the jobs I had in New York 415 00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:09,626 was with a couple down in Greenwich Village. 416 00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:13,568 Well, they had me bring every one of my costumes, 417 00:26:13,672 --> 00:26:15,697 especially all my bikinis. 418 00:26:15,807 --> 00:26:20,005 And I wondered why they had me change costumes so many times. 419 00:26:22,213 --> 00:26:25,114 And then they had taken my designs 420 00:26:25,216 --> 00:26:27,150 from the pictures they'd took of me 421 00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:29,777 and had them manufactured under my name 422 00:26:29,888 --> 00:26:33,756 and selling them as "Bettie Page's Bikinis" now. 423 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,663 I should have sued them or something, but I didn't do anything about it. 424 00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:55,302 The first bona fide commercial work I did 425 00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:59,179 was for Robert Harrison's magazines. 426 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,411 You know, he had five or six girly books. 427 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:06,684 Wink, Titter, Flirt, Beauty Parade. 428 00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:09,123 They had four or five writers in the back room 429 00:27:09,227 --> 00:27:13,027 that made up all kinds of crazy things we had to act out. 430 00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:16,760 But one thing I didn't like and none of the other girls did either, 431 00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:21,828 Robert Harrison insisted that our breasts be taped. 432 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:24,500 He was a nut about the cleavage. 433 00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:27,009 I'd have to hold my breasts together, 434 00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:30,639 and they put a great big thick two-inches wide tape, 435 00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:32,649 all the way across. 436 00:27:32,751 --> 00:27:34,548 I hated that. 437 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,588 Mr. Harrison said, "Bettie, I want you to represent 438 00:27:37,689 --> 00:27:39,987 my magazines at the artists ball. " 439 00:27:40,091 --> 00:27:43,549 They have a contest for the best costume. 440 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,324 And guess what I was wearing? 441 00:27:46,431 --> 00:27:50,891 Just two telephone dials, one over this breast, one over this, 442 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,095 and a suggestion box, 443 00:27:53,204 --> 00:27:55,229 and black net stockings up to the waist, 444 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:59,208 and that was it, and I won it that year, 445 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:01,938 and I got a whole set of Revere kitchen ware. 446 00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,810 (Bettie laughs) 447 00:28:04,616 --> 00:28:06,811 (patriotic classical music playing) 448 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,215 Announcer: Estes Kefauver of the Senate crime investigation fame 449 00:28:12,323 --> 00:28:14,382 brings the Democratic political pot to boil 450 00:28:14,492 --> 00:28:17,620 by announcing his candidacy for the presidential nomination. 451 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:21,398 Bettie: Senator Estes Kefauver. 452 00:28:21,499 --> 00:28:23,194 He's from my home state, you know. 453 00:28:23,301 --> 00:28:26,429 He was trying to drum up votes, 454 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,472 and get the public on his side, 455 00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:33,203 by going after juvenile delinquency and pornography. 456 00:28:33,311 --> 00:28:37,270 What I expected, having served in World War Il, 457 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:41,011 which I thought was a fight for democracy and liberation, 458 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,110 what I expected after World War II was 459 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:46,622 something like what I perceived as the "Roaring '20s" was like 460 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:49,125 after World War l, a huge celebration. 461 00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:53,830 And what we actually got was repression. 462 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,764 Repression on several fronts, 463 00:28:58,870 --> 00:29:01,395 it was social and sexual and political. 464 00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:04,805 Man: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? 465 00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:07,434 The thing that the American people can do 466 00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:12,005 is to be vigilant, day and night. 467 00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:15,553 To make sure they don't have communists 468 00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:19,851 teaching the sons and daughters of America. 469 00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:23,086 We have an image of the fifties as a time when everything was placid 470 00:29:23,194 --> 00:29:26,561 and everybody lived in a sort of Ozzie and Harriet life, 471 00:29:26,664 --> 00:29:29,758 but going on at the same time in the culture 472 00:29:29,868 --> 00:29:32,428 was an enormous amount of fear 473 00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:35,199 of infiltration of new things 474 00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:37,900 that were going to undermine and infect the culture, 475 00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:41,308 and make the youth of America delinquents, 476 00:29:41,412 --> 00:29:43,141 as the term that had been invented. 477 00:29:43,248 --> 00:29:45,614 And a lot of it focused on pornography. 478 00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,015 Male announcer: The peddling of obscene books, 479 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,383 a furtive and despicable occupation 480 00:29:50,488 --> 00:29:52,285 has become a lucrative sideline 481 00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,188 for unscrupulous shopkeepers in some high school neighborhoods. 482 00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:57,818 Smith: People basically, I think, felt that anything 483 00:29:57,929 --> 00:29:59,829 that got people sexually excited was a bad thing. 484 00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,230 I mean, even to talk about sex in the 1 950s was a taboo. 485 00:30:04,502 --> 00:30:08,165 The Postmaster General had a very visible campaign 486 00:30:08,273 --> 00:30:11,504 of trying to suppress the use of the mails 487 00:30:11,609 --> 00:30:13,907 to deliver sexually explicit materials. 488 00:30:14,012 --> 00:30:16,242 Postal inspectors could open your mail, 489 00:30:16,347 --> 00:30:17,541 they could confiscate it, 490 00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:19,844 they could come and do raids on your premises 491 00:30:19,951 --> 00:30:21,714 to keep you from mailing material at another time. 492 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:23,811 Of course they could turn you over to the prosecution. 493 00:30:23,922 --> 00:30:29,189 So they had a great deal of power at their disposal. 494 00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:33,424 Anything that would be perceived as being lewd, 495 00:30:33,531 --> 00:30:35,863 a term pretty broad, 496 00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:38,299 could be treated as a crime 497 00:30:38,403 --> 00:30:40,132 if you circulated it through the mail. 498 00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:43,639 And certainly nudity alone was considered enough to be obscene 499 00:30:43,741 --> 00:30:46,437 by the standards of the authorities at the time. 500 00:30:47,779 --> 00:30:51,442 Bettie: I don't even believe God disapproves of nudity, 501 00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:54,211 after all, he put Adam and Eve 502 00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,686 in the Garden of Eden naked as jaybirds. 503 00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:02,618 As a part of posing for the camera club, 504 00:31:02,727 --> 00:31:04,888 most of it was in bikinis, 505 00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:06,725 but sometimes there would be 506 00:31:06,831 --> 00:31:08,731 a few shots topless. 507 00:31:23,748 --> 00:31:26,273 Theakson: Bettie Page was very sexual, 508 00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,875 but in a very free and innocent kind of way. 509 00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:31,788 She's gorgeous 510 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:35,758 and she makes you feel good. 511 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:38,852 She makes direct eye contact with you, 512 00:31:38,963 --> 00:31:42,228 and it's engaging. 513 00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:43,960 I've seen her work 514 00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:47,469 with some very shy newcomers, 515 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,904 and actually help them out. 516 00:31:50,008 --> 00:31:53,205 Bettie would suggest something, "How 'bout this one, 517 00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:55,108 how 'bout this one, how 'bout this one?" 518 00:31:55,213 --> 00:31:57,374 And that way she would get him out of his shell. 519 00:32:04,188 --> 00:32:08,056 Theakson: Bettie is sexuality in it's sparkly, cleanest, 520 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,424 most beautiful, charming, smilingest. 521 00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:16,863 Theakson: But there was some discussion 522 00:32:16,968 --> 00:32:20,563 about the kind of women 523 00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:22,162 that would do camera club shoots 524 00:32:22,273 --> 00:32:26,004 because primarily they were nude, totally nude shoots. 525 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,078 And Bettie would say, 526 00:32:28,179 --> 00:32:30,977 "Whenever there was a shoot that I was attending, 527 00:32:31,082 --> 00:32:35,314 where things started getting sketchy, I got out of there. " 528 00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:40,422 Amsie: Everybody would have liked to date Bettie Page, 529 00:32:40,525 --> 00:32:43,358 but nobody made the moves. 530 00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:47,056 Mark: Are there any boyfriends of Bettie that you know of, 531 00:32:47,165 --> 00:32:49,190 that you've talked to her that you know of? 532 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,928 I talked to a lot of guys, 533 00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:56,302 not only photographers, but her lovers. 534 00:32:56,407 --> 00:32:58,170 Charles West was one of them. 535 00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:01,507 Apparently met her through a camera club. 536 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:08,184 He did a notorious series of photographs with Bettie. 537 00:33:08,286 --> 00:33:11,687 Charles West: One day, a Saturday, she and I were walking 538 00:33:11,789 --> 00:33:13,848 down 5th Ave. At Rockefeller Center. 539 00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:17,621 She wore that same tight translucent sweater. 540 00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:22,393 We were on our way to a shooting session in the Time Life building. 541 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,095 You should have seen the swiveling heads, both male and female. 542 00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,138 My God, wasn't she beautiful. 543 00:33:28,239 --> 00:33:30,104 Gorgeous. 544 00:33:30,208 --> 00:33:32,904 My photos were taken very privately, 545 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,946 I never intended for any of them to be published. 546 00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:38,811 God gave her a lovely body and she knew it. 547 00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,510 As a model, she used it to full advantage. 548 00:33:46,824 --> 00:33:50,692 Her body was absolutely without blemish, 549 00:33:50,795 --> 00:33:54,060 and everything 550 00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:56,224 exactly right in proportion. 551 00:33:57,301 --> 00:34:00,236 And that was the same with her face, and you put the two together, 552 00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:03,171 and you had just about the perfect woman. 553 00:34:04,442 --> 00:34:07,900 There was also a very sheer pair of white panties. 554 00:34:10,314 --> 00:34:14,944 Also, super long black opera length gloves. 555 00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:20,154 She was absolutely pure, 556 00:34:20,258 --> 00:34:22,317 plain and natural. 557 00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:25,362 And of course she shows up that way in her photographs. 558 00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:29,160 And I just think you see the real girl there. 559 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,835 No one ever dominated Betts, 560 00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,031 either physically or psychologically. 561 00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:39,632 She was her own person and she never could have mistreated anyone. 562 00:34:43,881 --> 00:34:47,578 Yes, she and I made love. 563 00:34:47,718 --> 00:34:50,084 And she was marvelous. 564 00:34:50,188 --> 00:34:54,124 She's an extraordinary creature. 565 00:34:54,225 --> 00:34:56,557 My memories of Betts are ever present. 566 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,020 Nudity back then was, was very unusual. 567 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:35,759 That was '52, 568 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:39,598 a time of restrictive sexuality. 569 00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:42,002 You talked to your friends in college even, 570 00:35:42,106 --> 00:35:45,507 and the fellow who had been sexually active 571 00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:47,635 was the unusual guy. 572 00:35:47,745 --> 00:35:49,770 Know when and how 573 00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:51,473 you're going to say "no". 574 00:35:51,582 --> 00:35:55,143 Take the case of the girl who finds herself in this situation. 575 00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:57,448 Girl in car: Say, is anybody else hungry? 576 00:35:57,555 --> 00:36:01,753 How about it you two, couldn't we go someplace for something to eat? 577 00:36:04,262 --> 00:36:07,595 Heinlein: I was on my way into the army at that time, 578 00:36:07,698 --> 00:36:09,563 on my way to Korea eventually. 579 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:14,001 So I thought it was a time to have a little bit of fun. 580 00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:19,070 Bettie: We were upstate New York on a farm. 581 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,273 Mark: But maybe this have been your first opportunity 582 00:36:24,382 --> 00:36:26,612 to see a woman without much clothes on? 583 00:36:26,717 --> 00:36:28,912 Ah, that's not a bad guess. 584 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:32,717 (laughter) 585 00:36:32,823 --> 00:36:36,315 Heinlein: The photographers all sort of gravitated to Bettie Page. 586 00:36:36,427 --> 00:36:38,691 You were drawn as if by a magnet. 587 00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:41,026 She lit up the place. 588 00:36:41,132 --> 00:36:42,929 I don't think anybody can really explain 589 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:47,471 why some people have that kind of charisma. 590 00:36:47,572 --> 00:36:51,303 It was kind of a revolution for me really 591 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:55,436 to see that openness. 592 00:36:56,614 --> 00:36:58,844 Bettie: Somebody went to the police about it, 593 00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:02,181 some old fogy no doubt, went to the police and said 594 00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:04,948 we were running around in the woods nude out there. 595 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:06,921 And here came a squad car. 596 00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:10,960 Man: Calling car 6 and 7 eighths, car 6 and 7 eighths. 597 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,053 Heinlein: Here they are coming with drawn guns, 598 00:37:13,164 --> 00:37:15,962 coming on a bunch of photographers. 599 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:19,161 I mean, what were we going to do? 600 00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:22,762 I mean, this is absolute nonsense. 601 00:37:22,873 --> 00:37:26,809 And they said, "Also, take the pictures out of your cameras." 602 00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,004 I opened the back of the camera. 603 00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:31,274 The counter, which may have been, 604 00:37:31,382 --> 00:37:33,441 say on film number 5, 605 00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:35,485 well, I snapped back to zero. 606 00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:38,714 I immediately closed the camera and thought to myself, 607 00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:42,350 why not try to keep 608 00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:44,860 what films I have in the camera. 609 00:37:44,962 --> 00:37:46,759 And I showed it to one of the deputies and I said, 610 00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:50,027 "Look, you see, the counter's on zero, 611 00:37:50,134 --> 00:37:52,659 but to tell you the truth I have a new roll in there, 612 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,965 I'd rather not expose it by opening the back. " 613 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:57,666 I said, "Okay if I keep it that way?" 614 00:37:57,775 --> 00:37:58,901 And he said sure. 615 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:02,639 But I didn't come upon the idea of holding onto those photos 616 00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:04,840 until I saw it snap back to zero. 617 00:38:34,912 --> 00:38:36,777 The charming thing was that 618 00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:39,940 a little kitten wandered by. 619 00:38:40,051 --> 00:38:42,281 And she picked it up, 620 00:38:42,386 --> 00:38:44,149 and she held it to her breast. 621 00:38:44,288 --> 00:38:47,086 I found that exquisite. 622 00:38:47,191 --> 00:38:51,685 And I did take a picture of that but half of it was destroyed. 623 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,935 One of the deputies said something, 624 00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:08,238 which was rather nasty, 625 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,906 but I do remember her saying, 626 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:14,075 "Don't you talk to me like that. 627 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,312 I won't have it. " 628 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:17,785 And I think she had more courage 629 00:39:17,888 --> 00:39:21,153 than the dozen and a half photographers that were there. 630 00:39:21,258 --> 00:39:24,227 They decided to charge the guys for disturbing the peace, 631 00:39:24,328 --> 00:39:27,491 and the girls for indecent exposure. 632 00:39:27,598 --> 00:39:30,533 Heinlein: She was just terribly offended by it. 633 00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:32,898 Menning: Bettie says, "I'm not indecent. 634 00:39:33,003 --> 00:39:35,801 I will not plead guilty to that. " 635 00:39:35,906 --> 00:39:37,806 Bettie: And we sat there in the anteroom, 636 00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:40,433 outside the court room for five hours. 637 00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:44,005 (Menning speaking) 638 00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:56,659 Theakson: Bettie demanded that this release form be rewritten 639 00:39:56,761 --> 00:40:00,219 so that it didn't say "indecent exposure". 640 00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:06,899 Bettie: And the judge warned us 641 00:40:07,004 --> 00:40:08,972 never to come in his county again. 642 00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:10,630 (Bettie chuckles) 643 00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:14,609 Theakson: Her being put in jail because she was posing, 644 00:40:14,712 --> 00:40:17,203 making a living, gave her pause for thought. 645 00:40:17,314 --> 00:40:19,942 She really had never considered that it could happen to her. 646 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:23,611 And in fact, it was an alarm to wake her up to the fact 647 00:40:23,721 --> 00:40:26,690 that a lot of people did not like what she was doing. 648 00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:30,518 (dramatic classical music playing) 649 00:40:30,628 --> 00:40:34,860 On Friday, we shall continue the investigation of the relationship 650 00:40:34,965 --> 00:40:38,366 of pornographic materials to delinquency. 651 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,234 Hefner: In the 1 950s, 652 00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:43,670 the repression was coming from the government. 653 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:47,005 And it also involved Kefauver and his investigations, 654 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,511 in terms of pornography and crime. 655 00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,808 You couldn't sell in many places 656 00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:56,979 a magazine that had the kinds of nudity 657 00:40:57,087 --> 00:41:00,215 that we see in a modern Playboy. 658 00:41:00,324 --> 00:41:02,690 That was considered going too far. 659 00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:06,490 Bettie: I never had any bad feelings 660 00:41:06,597 --> 00:41:08,189 about posing in the nude 661 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,598 or semi-nude outfits. 662 00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:14,967 I found out I could make more money posing in two hours 663 00:41:15,072 --> 00:41:17,666 than I'd make all week as a secretary. 664 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,608 All the girls who worked for Robert Harrison 665 00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:25,170 would end up posing for Irving Klaw. 666 00:41:25,282 --> 00:41:29,013 He had a big business, he and his sister Paula, 667 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,316 selling movie star pictures before they got into, locally, 668 00:41:32,423 --> 00:41:35,415 shooting models in New York. 669 00:41:35,526 --> 00:41:38,461 And one of the cameramen brought her in and said, 670 00:41:38,562 --> 00:41:41,929 she's a super model, she works well, 671 00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:44,762 and she's a love, give her a shot. 672 00:41:44,869 --> 00:41:47,099 And we did. You should have seen her then. 673 00:41:47,204 --> 00:41:49,695 The long black hair and always smiling, 674 00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:53,607 giggling and whatever, she was so great to work with. 675 00:41:55,212 --> 00:41:57,180 She loved posing. 676 00:42:03,454 --> 00:42:06,787 Bettie: Irving Klaw, he was a real sweet fella. 677 00:42:06,891 --> 00:42:09,655 He was a big fat chubby guy. 678 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,354 And he was sort of short and he was almost bald. 679 00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:15,091 But he was so nice. 680 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,396 He never made any passes at the women or anything. 681 00:42:18,502 --> 00:42:21,596 They would bring food there, sandwiches and all for us. 682 00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:24,435 They were always very generous about that. 683 00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:28,308 Paula Klaw: He got some of the ideas from some of the customers. 684 00:42:28,412 --> 00:42:30,937 And he would sort of talk to me about, 685 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:33,107 "What do you think of this and what do you think of that", 686 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:36,015 and between the two of us we'd figure it out. 687 00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:40,382 In some of her earliest Irving Klaw photos, 688 00:42:40,491 --> 00:42:42,015 Bettie looked a little gawky. 689 00:42:42,126 --> 00:42:44,526 But Klaw would give her a set of these photos. 690 00:42:44,628 --> 00:42:47,961 She could summarize what she was doing right 691 00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:49,327 and what she was doing wrong, 692 00:42:49,433 --> 00:42:52,163 and I think she became a much better model. 693 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:55,704 Paula Klaw: She liked being in front of the camera. 694 00:42:55,806 --> 00:42:57,865 She enjoyed her body. 695 00:42:57,975 --> 00:42:59,636 She liked the way she looked. 696 00:42:59,743 --> 00:43:01,301 She liked her hair. 697 00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:03,642 She enjoyed herself. 698 00:43:05,182 --> 00:43:07,309 She never cried about anything... 699 00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:09,477 "It's too tight, " "It's too loose, " 700 00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,578 "Don't do that, " or anything. 701 00:43:11,689 --> 00:43:14,590 She was just a super lady to work with. 702 00:43:14,692 --> 00:43:19,720 Bettie: Irving said I was his most famous model that he ever had, 703 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:23,459 and he had some 1,500 pictures of me going. 704 00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:27,264 A lot of them to service men. 705 00:43:28,739 --> 00:43:31,606 Paula Klaw: We made this set of pictures, we'd advertise it, 706 00:43:31,709 --> 00:43:35,167 and we noticed the increase in sales. 707 00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,907 Bettie: One of the biggest sellers 708 00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:39,505 is a picture of me wearing 709 00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,814 my little leopard-skin bikini, and I'm looking real mean, 710 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,651 holding this whip with one foot up on a stool 711 00:43:46,757 --> 00:43:49,885 and a cigarette dangling out the side of my mouth. 712 00:43:49,994 --> 00:43:51,962 And the teenagers. 713 00:43:52,062 --> 00:43:55,657 Irving said that's their favorite picture of me now. 714 00:43:55,766 --> 00:43:57,529 You know, I never smoked. 715 00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:58,829 (Bettie laughs) 716 00:43:58,936 --> 00:44:00,563 I hate cigarettes. 717 00:44:00,671 --> 00:44:05,131 Well, I shot stills but there was more money into making films 718 00:44:05,242 --> 00:44:08,040 so we started with the 16mm, 719 00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:09,874 because that was very popular at that time. 720 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:12,039 ("Curves of Bettie Page" playing) 721 00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:23,118 Well, she's a drama queen from a golden age 722 00:44:23,227 --> 00:44:25,593 Talking about the curves of Bettie Page 723 00:44:25,696 --> 00:44:28,256 Flinging through the pages though, I just can't wait 724 00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:30,526 She's the kind of woman that I want to date 725 00:44:30,634 --> 00:44:33,034 Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie 726 00:44:33,137 --> 00:44:35,230 Oh, Bettie, Uh-huh-huh 727 00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:37,739 Oh, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie, Bettie 728 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:40,173 Oh, Bettie, yeah 729 00:44:40,277 --> 00:44:42,643 I'm gonna run to you, girl, I'm on the rampage 730 00:44:42,746 --> 00:44:45,544 Just want Bettie, Bettie Page, yeah/ 731 00:44:47,251 --> 00:44:48,582 (whip cracks) 732 00:44:53,223 --> 00:44:54,349 (whip cracks) 733 00:44:58,429 --> 00:45:00,397 Bettie: Seven inch heels, 734 00:45:00,497 --> 00:45:03,762 one pair, that he kept for me only, 735 00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:05,732 that fitted me just fine that I could wiggle around, 736 00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:08,236 and move around, and kick around in those. 737 00:45:08,338 --> 00:45:11,739 Menning: Yeah, Bettie could walk great in high heels, unlike most girls. 738 00:45:11,842 --> 00:45:14,538 Most girls, they could walk in high heels, 739 00:45:14,645 --> 00:45:17,375 some of them, but they didn't look natural. 740 00:45:17,481 --> 00:45:18,948 Bettie, she could move in 'em just like, 741 00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:22,018 just like she was in moccasins. 742 00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:32,425 Paula Klaw: My brother would set it up and I would direct, 743 00:45:32,529 --> 00:45:33,996 and I worked the 16mm. 744 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:38,500 Male announcer: Teaserama is a complete, 745 00:45:38,602 --> 00:45:40,297 all new burlesque show, 746 00:45:40,404 --> 00:45:43,066 filmed in beautiful new Eastman Color. 747 00:45:43,173 --> 00:45:47,439 Teaserama features the world's most beautiful, exotic girls. 748 00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:52,405 Tempest Storm is the girl with a 40-plus bust, 749 00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:55,144 who goes 3D two better/ 750 00:45:55,252 --> 00:46:00,155 So big, we had to use wide screen to film Teaserama. 751 00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:05,320 Bettie Page, the nation's top pinup queen. 752 00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:09,866 There's sexy seconds to every minute in Teaserama. 753 00:46:11,835 --> 00:46:16,704 Bettie: In one of them starring Tempest Storm, I played her maid. 754 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,768 And I also introduced the acts 755 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:24,313 wearing my bikinis and other costumes. 756 00:46:29,753 --> 00:46:33,120 And then I did a little dance number. 757 00:46:33,223 --> 00:46:35,987 It was a nothing tap dance I made up 758 00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:40,553 within a half an hour before the movie was to be shot. 759 00:46:40,664 --> 00:46:44,327 Paula Klaw: There was no sex in those movies that we shot. 760 00:46:44,434 --> 00:46:46,368 It was just fun. 761 00:46:48,372 --> 00:46:51,500 Bettie: Irving Klaw would pay me $1 50 762 00:46:51,608 --> 00:46:53,337 every time I did one of these movies. 763 00:46:53,443 --> 00:46:57,573 And I would take the money and go to visit my mother in Pittsburgh, 764 00:46:57,681 --> 00:46:59,581 or my brothers in Nashville, 765 00:46:59,683 --> 00:47:02,083 or my sister in Coral Gables. 766 00:47:07,391 --> 00:47:11,293 Bettie happened to be in Miami on a little vacation. 767 00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:13,420 And she gave me a call. 768 00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:15,555 And she said she was a New York model. 769 00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:18,100 And I said, "Oh," and I was very impressed. 770 00:47:18,202 --> 00:47:20,329 Bettie: I posed for Bunny 771 00:47:20,437 --> 00:47:24,134 in Florida in the spring of 1 954. 772 00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:27,677 She had just started out as a photographer, 773 00:47:27,778 --> 00:47:29,837 she used to be a pinup model. 774 00:47:29,947 --> 00:47:32,541 I said, "You do pinup modeling?" 775 00:47:32,649 --> 00:47:34,276 And she says, "I do nudes, too." 776 00:47:34,384 --> 00:47:37,785 And when I heard that she did nudes, I was really excited 777 00:47:37,888 --> 00:47:39,753 because I had never photographed 778 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:42,018 a professional nude model before. 779 00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:46,391 So I told her to come on over, I would use her sight unseen. 780 00:47:48,298 --> 00:47:51,096 Bettie was so perfect in every way. 781 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:55,797 It would be hard for anybody to take a bad picture of Bettie. 782 00:47:55,906 --> 00:47:57,396 Bettie: Because she was a woman, 783 00:47:57,507 --> 00:48:01,409 I felt more comfortable posing in the nude for Bunny. 784 00:48:01,511 --> 00:48:04,708 And we'd go out there about 7:00 in the morning 785 00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:09,149 before anybody came on the beaches and do our shooting then. 786 00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,017 ("Casbah" by Los Straightjackets playing) 787 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:17,556 Bunny: We worked so well together because she caught on 788 00:48:17,661 --> 00:48:19,925 to what I was trying to get out of her. 789 00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:24,023 And she just played like she was a teenager in front of the camera, 790 00:48:24,134 --> 00:48:26,830 and followed every direction I gave her. 791 00:48:26,937 --> 00:48:28,370 And that was a thrill too, 792 00:48:28,472 --> 00:48:33,466 because I had not worked with somebody that professional before. 793 00:48:34,011 --> 00:48:37,139 You knew she was trying to look her very best. 794 00:48:37,247 --> 00:48:39,511 She would work on her tan 795 00:48:39,616 --> 00:48:42,676 and sunbathe the nude for a certain time everyday 796 00:48:42,786 --> 00:48:45,380 so that her skin would be so glorious. 797 00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:50,289 Bettie had a different torso than most girls. 798 00:48:50,394 --> 00:48:52,988 Her bone structure there, 799 00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:54,495 close to her waistline, 800 00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:58,227 went way in to a very tiny waist. 801 00:48:58,335 --> 00:49:01,930 And there are very few girls that are built like that. 802 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,634 Bettie: I was 36-24-37. 803 00:49:05,742 --> 00:49:09,678 I worked out at the health club three times a week. 804 00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:11,941 I've always liked to exercise. 805 00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:15,644 I wanted to keep in shape for my modeling. 806 00:49:17,521 --> 00:49:20,786 Bunny: She lied to me about her age. 807 00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:24,486 She told me she was 24 when she posed for me but she was much older. 808 00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:26,459 I think that she was 32. 809 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:33,261 We shot pictures at Kiddie Land Park. 810 00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:35,099 And I put her in a bikini 811 00:49:35,205 --> 00:49:37,230 and shot her on the merry-go-round 812 00:49:37,341 --> 00:49:39,309 and all these stupid rides. 813 00:49:39,409 --> 00:49:42,105 And she, she had a ball, you know. 814 00:49:42,212 --> 00:49:45,272 We had to go before they opened up at 10:00 815 00:49:45,382 --> 00:49:49,910 because I was getting worried with the briefness of the bathing suits. 816 00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:54,286 I was a little scared and I thought, "Bettie, we might get arrested. 817 00:49:54,391 --> 00:49:56,291 How do you feel about that?" 818 00:49:56,393 --> 00:49:59,692 And he says, "Oh, I wouldn't want to, but you know. 819 00:49:59,796 --> 00:50:01,286 What are we going to do?" 820 00:50:01,398 --> 00:50:04,424 So we just took our chances. 821 00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:07,765 So they're very sensual pictures. 822 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,064 Very sexy. 823 00:50:13,643 --> 00:50:15,406 (boat motor humming) 824 00:50:17,914 --> 00:50:20,940 Bunny: We went out on the boat and it was late in the afternoon, 825 00:50:21,051 --> 00:50:24,384 and the sun was already getting low. 826 00:50:24,488 --> 00:50:28,049 But that made for good shadowing of Bettie's body 827 00:50:28,158 --> 00:50:30,752 for some beautiful nudes on the boat. 828 00:50:30,861 --> 00:50:33,921 And she actually caught a fish while I was shooting her. 829 00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:36,056 It was unbelievable. 830 00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:38,691 I had never seen anybody catch a fish so fast. 831 00:50:38,802 --> 00:50:40,770 We must have been in good waters. 832 00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:44,671 But that picture that you see of Bettie holding the fish up. 833 00:50:44,775 --> 00:50:46,208 That was for real. 834 00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,240 While we were shooting some pinups on the beach one day, 835 00:50:50,347 --> 00:50:53,748 I asked Bettie, "Are you afraid of wild animals?" 836 00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:56,683 (tribal music playing) 837 00:50:56,787 --> 00:50:59,620 Bunny: I had seen too many Tarzan movies, I think. 838 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:03,955 Bettie: She set up a session for me up in Boca Raton 839 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:07,758 at Little Africa to pose with the animals. 840 00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:12,693 Bunny: When you come into Africa USA, 841 00:51:12,803 --> 00:51:15,772 they had a greeter at the gate, 842 00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:17,669 dressed all up like a native. 843 00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:20,368 I said, "Would you like to take some pictures with my model?" 844 00:51:20,477 --> 00:51:23,002 He said, "Sure. " He was happy about that. 845 00:51:24,181 --> 00:51:26,706 Bettie: I was very fond of my one-piece outfit 846 00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,843 that I made with the scallops and high bottoms. 847 00:51:29,953 --> 00:51:31,887 I was dressed just like a cheetah. 848 00:51:31,988 --> 00:51:34,115 There wasn't much to the bottom of it, 849 00:51:34,224 --> 00:51:38,320 but maybe that was the most alluring part of it. 850 00:51:38,428 --> 00:51:40,623 I was very proud of that design. 851 00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:42,755 (Bettie laughs) 852 00:51:44,734 --> 00:51:48,170 Bettie: The pictures that sold the most were with two cheetahs. 853 00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:49,898 Beautiful animals. 854 00:51:50,006 --> 00:51:53,601 They had been sick the night before 855 00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:55,871 and they were in a bad temper. 856 00:51:55,979 --> 00:51:58,812 I was afraid to be around 'em. 857 00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:04,487 Bunny: The trainer said, "Please, don't let go of that chain, Bettie, 858 00:52:04,588 --> 00:52:06,112 because if they run, 859 00:52:06,223 --> 00:52:08,817 they run 55 miles and hour and they'll be gone. " 860 00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:12,522 She kept control, 861 00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:14,494 and we got great pictures. 862 00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:19,868 All my life I had worshiped 863 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,201 these pinup girls on the calendars, and I thought, 864 00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:26,707 "I'd love to shoot a calendar of someone as beautiful as Bettie. " 865 00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:30,610 And I thought, the holiday season will be coming up soon. 866 00:52:30,714 --> 00:52:34,878 And I had this little white Christmas Tree. 867 00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:37,510 And I had her pose, 868 00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:40,385 kneeling on a white shag rug. 869 00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:43,323 Bettie: I didn't know that Bunny Yeager 870 00:52:43,426 --> 00:52:48,386 was going to send pictures to Mr. Hefner for Playboy Magazine. 871 00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:51,433 Hefner: She was Miss January of 1 955, 872 00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:55,266 but Bettie had a fame that kind of coincided 873 00:52:55,372 --> 00:52:59,433 and predated her appearance in Playboy. 874 00:52:59,543 --> 00:53:01,943 Bettie: You know, that little Santa Claus hat 875 00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:04,309 and I'm winking, and I'm sitting on my knees 876 00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:09,943 with a little Christmas Tree ball covering "you know where". 877 00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:11,520 (Bettie laughs) 878 00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:17,521 She had a very unique look and also a very unique attitude. 879 00:53:25,168 --> 00:53:26,863 Bettie: Back in New York, 880 00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:28,733 you couldn't work for Irving 881 00:53:28,838 --> 00:53:32,535 without doing about an hour or an hour and a half of bondage, 882 00:53:32,642 --> 00:53:34,507 or you didn't get paid. 883 00:53:44,487 --> 00:53:47,684 Bondage, I'm noted for being 884 00:53:47,791 --> 00:53:50,760 the number one bondage queen, they call me. 885 00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,725 (Bettie laughs) 886 00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,007 Most of the work came 887 00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:08,976 from requests he would get in the mail, 888 00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,274 from doctors, lawyers, 889 00:54:11,381 --> 00:54:13,076 businessmen, 890 00:54:13,183 --> 00:54:16,710 men up in high society even, 891 00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:19,311 wanted all of these things. 892 00:54:22,292 --> 00:54:25,318 Paula Klaw: One was a big official in the government 893 00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:28,522 and one guy was a big lawyer. 894 00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:30,691 Mark: Are either of these guys still alive? 895 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,563 No, I don't think so. 896 00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:34,660 So you care to say who they were? 897 00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:36,636 No. Promises. 898 00:54:37,941 --> 00:54:40,273 Paula Klaw: The guy came in with all the rubber outfits. 899 00:54:40,377 --> 00:54:42,106 And there was leather. 900 00:54:42,212 --> 00:54:44,976 There's a big leather fetish out there. 901 00:54:45,081 --> 00:54:47,982 Men wanted her with the boots on. 902 00:54:48,084 --> 00:54:51,918 Pay for it, bring the costumes, we'll do it. 903 00:54:53,456 --> 00:54:57,222 Bettie: For some reason, men like to see girls, 904 00:54:57,327 --> 00:54:59,124 one spanking the other one. 905 00:54:59,229 --> 00:55:01,197 Why, I don't know. 906 00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:05,792 And they liked to see women helpless, tied up. 907 00:55:05,902 --> 00:55:08,268 I never thought it was anything strange. 908 00:55:10,206 --> 00:55:14,643 Theakson: Bettie had not been exposed to this type of culture. 909 00:55:14,744 --> 00:55:17,941 She was instructed that this is what the job was. 910 00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:19,515 To her it was acting. 911 00:55:19,616 --> 00:55:22,983 Which she enjoyed doing, which is why her bondage stuff 912 00:55:23,086 --> 00:55:26,055 is just so terrific, because she's acting. 913 00:55:27,624 --> 00:55:30,320 She's making believe that she's terrified. 914 00:55:32,062 --> 00:55:34,360 For the most part, anybody in a bondage photograph is 915 00:55:34,464 --> 00:55:37,490 just going on like half-assed, hardly doing it. 916 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,625 Bettie was acting. 917 00:55:51,915 --> 00:55:55,351 Bettie: Paula, she was the only one that ever tied us up. 918 00:55:56,553 --> 00:55:59,147 She didn't hurt us, she was very careful about it. 919 00:55:59,255 --> 00:56:02,190 Paula Klaw: She felt safe with me being there. 920 00:56:02,292 --> 00:56:04,783 Don't hurt the babies, you know. 921 00:56:04,894 --> 00:56:09,126 Bettie: Some of the pictures looked like I was really being hurt. 922 00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:13,532 There was only one time that I was ever frightened. 923 00:56:13,636 --> 00:56:18,403 Some guy, some lawyer I think he was, wanted me tied up. 924 00:56:18,508 --> 00:56:21,671 And my feet were off the ground about six inches. 925 00:56:21,778 --> 00:56:25,646 I thought my arm holes were going to pull out of the sockets. 926 00:56:25,749 --> 00:56:27,307 And I said, "Hurry up, it's hurting me. " 927 00:56:27,417 --> 00:56:30,386 And they kept shooting me from all kinds of angles. 928 00:56:30,487 --> 00:56:33,422 And finally they let me down. 929 00:56:33,523 --> 00:56:37,425 And Irving later told me that those pictures sold more 930 00:56:37,527 --> 00:56:39,518 than any picture that he'd ever sold 931 00:56:39,629 --> 00:56:41,790 of movie stars than anybody else. 932 00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:43,627 (Bettie laughs) 933 00:56:51,708 --> 00:56:54,677 About two months later... 934 00:56:56,012 --> 00:57:00,506 I was doing a little 16mm wrestling movie. 935 00:57:00,617 --> 00:57:02,744 I heard something pop. 936 00:57:02,852 --> 00:57:06,379 I couldn't straighten out my right knee at all. 937 00:57:06,489 --> 00:57:08,889 Finally, I called a doctor. 938 00:57:08,992 --> 00:57:12,155 He said, "lt'll be about a six inch scar. " 939 00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:16,494 He said, "You won't be able to do your pinup modeling anymore. " 940 00:57:18,268 --> 00:57:21,669 I was lying in bed feeling very unhappy 941 00:57:21,771 --> 00:57:25,537 at the thought that I wouldn't be able to model anymore. 942 00:57:25,642 --> 00:57:29,078 And all of a sudden, I heard a man's voice 943 00:57:29,179 --> 00:57:33,878 just as loud and clear as you'd hear any human talk. 944 00:57:33,983 --> 00:57:38,852 He said, "Bettie, you can straighten out your knee. Try it. " 945 00:57:38,955 --> 00:57:43,892 And within a couple of seconds I was able to straighten out my knee. 946 00:57:43,993 --> 00:57:48,225 I knew immediately it was the voice of God. 947 00:57:49,999 --> 00:57:51,990 Theakson: She was the girl next door. 948 00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:58,531 Just so good, and went to church on Sunday, 949 00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:02,304 that women identified with, that they liked the idea 950 00:58:02,412 --> 00:58:04,380 that they could exude sexuality 951 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:08,417 and not be thought of as a tramp, 952 00:58:08,518 --> 00:58:11,681 that she's playing a role, 953 00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:14,279 whether it be dominatrix 954 00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:15,948 or the girl next door, 955 00:58:16,059 --> 00:58:19,995 and it was never demeaning at any point whatsoever. 956 00:58:25,568 --> 00:58:28,128 Bettie: The craziest request I ever had, 957 00:58:28,238 --> 00:58:31,105 this guy wanted me to pose 958 00:58:31,207 --> 00:58:33,698 in a black leather pony outfit 959 00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:36,745 that he sent to Irving and Paula. 960 00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:39,815 I had to get on all fours like a horse, 961 00:58:39,916 --> 00:58:43,044 and my head covered up with this hood on. 962 00:58:43,152 --> 00:58:46,553 I said, "Well, how would he even know who was under there at all?" 963 00:58:46,656 --> 00:58:49,454 You couldn't even see my face. 964 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:53,017 We died laughing about it. 965 00:58:53,129 --> 00:58:55,097 And some we turned away. 966 00:58:55,198 --> 00:58:58,929 Well, there were no nudes, that's number one. 967 00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:02,937 If there were men in the pictures, it was pornographic. 968 00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,872 And we didn't want to sell anything that was pornographic. 969 00:59:05,975 --> 00:59:09,741 (Menning speaking) 970 00:59:25,194 --> 00:59:26,889 (knocking on door) 971 00:59:26,996 --> 00:59:29,692 Bettie: These two guys came to me and said, 972 00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:33,166 "Bettie, we want you to testify against Irving Klaw as a pornographer. " 973 00:59:34,337 --> 00:59:37,465 I said, "What are you talking about? Irving never even did nudes. " 974 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,668 They'd come in with search warrants. 975 00:59:40,777 --> 00:59:42,802 They took a bunch of stuff. 976 00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:46,746 They took a lot of the photographs and negatives of the models. 977 00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:51,411 They confiscated our mail and we were getting bad publicity. 978 00:59:51,521 --> 00:59:54,684 (dramatic classical music playing) 979 00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,651 (gavel bangs) 980 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,489 Male announcer: Repercussions from the New York hearings 981 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,588 have been nationwide, with contempt and perjury citations 982 01:00:02,699 --> 01:00:05,099 indicated by the committee. 983 01:00:05,201 --> 01:00:07,294 Bettie: Now there's supposed to be a young boy, 984 01:00:07,403 --> 01:00:11,669 I think he was 17 years old, somewhere in Florida. 985 01:00:11,774 --> 01:00:14,004 The Kefauver committee was blaming me 986 01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:16,408 for contributing to juvenile delinquency 987 01:00:16,512 --> 01:00:20,243 because this boy killed himself looking at one of my bondage pictures. 988 01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:23,046 What would I have to do with that? 989 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,418 Man: Sir, I direct your attention specifically 990 01:00:26,522 --> 01:00:30,083 to page 3 of this publication, showing a young lady trussed up. 991 01:00:30,193 --> 01:00:31,888 And ask you to look at that picture, 992 01:00:31,995 --> 01:00:34,930 with her arms tied behind her back, her mouth gagged. 993 01:00:35,031 --> 01:00:36,498 There is a definite connection 994 01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:39,568 between this sort of thing and his death. 995 01:00:41,738 --> 01:00:45,037 Bettie: They made me come down to the courthouse, 996 01:00:45,141 --> 01:00:48,269 and they had me sit outside the courtroom 997 01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:51,006 while they had Irving on the stand. 998 01:00:52,415 --> 01:00:56,351 Man: Mr. Chairman, our investigation reveals 999 01:00:56,452 --> 01:01:01,685 that Mr. Klaw is one of the largest distributors 1000 01:01:01,791 --> 01:01:05,249 of obscene, lewd, and fetish photographs 1001 01:01:05,361 --> 01:01:08,194 throughout the country by mail. 1002 01:01:08,297 --> 01:01:11,357 I decline to answer 1003 01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:15,563 under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution. 1004 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:20,200 Well, Mr. Klaw, I must warn you that 1005 01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:22,709 I'll have you cited for contempt. 1006 01:01:22,812 --> 01:01:24,837 Do you still refuse to answer? 1007 01:01:24,947 --> 01:01:27,381 I decline to answer. 1008 01:01:27,483 --> 01:01:30,884 Would that be sufficient or should I say it all the way through, Mr. Kefauver? 1009 01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:32,955 Kefauver: We're not asking any quarter 1010 01:01:33,056 --> 01:01:34,887 nor giving any quarter, Mr. Klaw. 1011 01:01:36,426 --> 01:01:37,757 Bettie: Those creeps. 1012 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,555 OI' Kefauver and his committee. 1013 01:01:39,662 --> 01:01:43,098 I told them, "I'm not testifying and lying about Irving Klaw. " 1014 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,463 I said, "I don't care. You can't force me to do it. " 1015 01:01:45,568 --> 01:01:47,433 I said, "I won't do it. " 1016 01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:55,003 But we also went before the judge. 1017 01:01:55,111 --> 01:01:58,410 And the judge said, "You want to keep your freedom, 1018 01:01:58,514 --> 01:02:01,813 you have to destroy all the negatives. " 1019 01:02:01,918 --> 01:02:05,547 I said that was wrong. 1020 01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:08,783 We have every right to do and print whatever we like. 1021 01:02:08,891 --> 01:02:10,688 We're not hurting anybody. 1022 01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:16,392 And so I was the one that was in charge of chucking it away. 1023 01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:18,467 But I didn't. 1024 01:02:20,236 --> 01:02:24,570 We did hide them, until we were sure that the courts 1025 01:02:24,674 --> 01:02:26,335 would throw it out 1026 01:02:26,442 --> 01:02:29,036 and agree that this was not pornography. 1027 01:02:29,145 --> 01:02:33,479 I kept the ones I know I could sell, just the ones with Bettie. 1028 01:02:33,583 --> 01:02:38,611 I knew one day these were going to be famous. 1029 01:02:38,721 --> 01:02:42,179 Bettie: She was able to sneak a few of mine away 1030 01:02:42,291 --> 01:02:44,589 that they didn't know about. 1031 01:02:44,694 --> 01:02:47,322 Nearly all three-fourths of his pictures 1032 01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:50,160 that he had taken in his movie star photos and all, 1033 01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:51,665 they were all burned. 1034 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:53,702 And it just ruined the poor man 1035 01:02:53,803 --> 01:02:57,466 and put him in bad health, and he ended up dying. 1036 01:03:01,811 --> 01:03:04,473 I always thought, live and let live. 1037 01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:06,480 Let anybody do what they want to do 1038 01:03:06,582 --> 01:03:09,244 as long as they're not hurting anybody else. 1039 01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:12,515 I still feel that way. 1040 01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:15,022 Mark: There was a lot of people in America 1041 01:03:15,124 --> 01:03:17,718 that would have considered what you were doing 1042 01:03:17,827 --> 01:03:19,522 to be nasty back in those days. 1043 01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:24,123 I never thought I was doing anything wrong. 1044 01:03:24,233 --> 01:03:27,532 I never even thought there was anything wrong about the bondage. 1045 01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:34,341 The only thing I regret in all of my modeling experience, 1046 01:03:34,443 --> 01:03:38,243 one time three camera clubs got together. 1047 01:03:38,347 --> 01:03:43,410 And they got me to drinking blackberry brandy, 1048 01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:46,215 it's very tasty, you know. 1049 01:03:46,322 --> 01:03:50,986 And I must have gotten drunk, the only time in my life I was drunk. 1050 01:03:51,093 --> 01:03:52,788 But I don't remember what happened, 1051 01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:54,487 I remember starting to pose for them 1052 01:03:54,597 --> 01:03:58,931 in my regular poses but never open poses. 1053 01:03:59,035 --> 01:04:01,663 And there were four or five shots. 1054 01:04:01,771 --> 01:04:04,205 And I was so disappointed in it. 1055 01:04:04,307 --> 01:04:06,332 That's one of the reasons I left New York, 1056 01:04:06,442 --> 01:04:10,435 was because of those pornographic pictures being sold on me. 1057 01:04:14,183 --> 01:04:18,176 I was 34 in 1 957, 1058 01:04:18,287 --> 01:04:21,552 and I thought I was getting too old to model. 1059 01:04:21,657 --> 01:04:24,251 And that there were so many pictures of me around, 1060 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,955 I thought the photographers were tired of shooting me. 1061 01:04:28,064 --> 01:04:32,831 And then too I'd had all that unhappy experience with the Kefauver committee. 1062 01:04:32,935 --> 01:04:35,927 So I just left everything. 1063 01:04:42,311 --> 01:04:45,747 She just disappeared and there was much mystique about her. 1064 01:04:45,848 --> 01:04:49,079 Nobody knew beyond that, 1065 01:04:49,185 --> 01:04:52,120 that their was a fascinating story about this woman, 1066 01:04:52,221 --> 01:04:57,022 who reached the peak of popularity in her profession and disappeared. 1067 01:04:57,126 --> 01:05:00,562 Over my years of research, I heard a lot of crazy rumors. 1068 01:05:00,663 --> 01:05:03,962 That she was slinging hash in Texas, 1069 01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:07,194 that she had married Lash LaRue, 1070 01:05:07,303 --> 01:05:10,397 that she had moved to England and married a duke. 1071 01:05:10,506 --> 01:05:14,533 That the mob had rubbed her out because of a photo shoot gone bad. 1072 01:05:14,644 --> 01:05:17,442 That she had passed out literature 1073 01:05:17,546 --> 01:05:20,640 in the Chicago O'Hare airport for Billy Graham. 1074 01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:23,082 That was the only one that was true. 1075 01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:27,248 The whole Bettie Page phenomenon, 1076 01:05:27,356 --> 01:05:29,017 which is separate from the human being, 1077 01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:31,059 developed while she was simply off the scene, 1078 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,425 and she was not really aware of it. 1079 01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:37,055 Bettie: It still amazes me 1080 01:05:37,166 --> 01:05:39,430 after 40 years, 1081 01:05:39,535 --> 01:05:42,026 as popular as my pictures are now, 1082 01:05:42,138 --> 01:05:44,436 especially with young people. 1083 01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:48,169 Most of the boys say they learned about me 1084 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,907 from their fathers' girly magazines that they found in the attic, 1085 01:05:53,015 --> 01:05:56,951 or prowling through their fathers' dresser drawers and things like that. 1086 01:05:57,053 --> 01:05:58,611 (Bettie chuckles) 1087 01:05:58,721 --> 01:06:03,681 And they claim that I opened up the sexual revolution. 1088 01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:05,158 (chuckles) 1089 01:06:05,261 --> 01:06:08,355 Robert Blue: The first time that I ever saw Bettie Page 1090 01:06:08,464 --> 01:06:12,833 in any of this material, I mean, I immediately recognized her 1091 01:06:12,935 --> 01:06:17,269 as someone that had the visual power 1092 01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:21,332 to provoke something inside. 1093 01:06:23,446 --> 01:06:26,313 I was thinking that I was doing something 1094 01:06:26,415 --> 01:06:31,045 that was part of the modernist movement of painting 1095 01:06:31,153 --> 01:06:35,385 and that was to take a taboo photograph, 1096 01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:38,892 blow it up bigger than life-size in a beautiful oil painting, 1097 01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:41,725 and put it in a high-end gallery. 1098 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:45,323 Bettie Page really set the stage 1099 01:06:45,434 --> 01:06:48,403 for the vogue photographers 1100 01:06:48,504 --> 01:06:51,598 that came in the '7 0s and the '80s. 1101 01:06:54,043 --> 01:06:56,637 Olivia De Berardinis: There's never been anyone like Bettie before. 1102 01:06:56,746 --> 01:06:58,976 Monroe had Harlow and Dietrich, 1103 01:06:59,081 --> 01:07:01,311 she had all those blond bombshells, 1104 01:07:01,417 --> 01:07:04,113 but Bettie, there was nothing like Bettie. 1105 01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:07,383 She's the first icon of her nature. 1106 01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:09,515 And feminism has changed, 1107 01:07:09,625 --> 01:07:11,923 so women are actually using sexuality 1108 01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,428 in a different way, they're more accepting of it. 1109 01:07:14,530 --> 01:07:16,521 I would paint a few pictures 1110 01:07:16,632 --> 01:07:19,226 and then I would see them appear in front of me. 1111 01:07:20,803 --> 01:07:23,169 And the girls would start showing up dressed like her. 1112 01:07:23,272 --> 01:07:24,603 Either they had purple hair, 1113 01:07:24,707 --> 01:07:27,175 but they'd have the Bettie Page bangs, they'd be tattooed. 1114 01:07:27,276 --> 01:07:30,905 It'd be a form of Bettie, but different. 1115 01:07:31,013 --> 01:07:32,981 Bettie meant something to them. 1116 01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:38,247 So I kept painting Bettie for them. 1117 01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:45,493 The fetishistic outfits that she wore, 1118 01:07:45,594 --> 01:07:48,028 I mean, those are dreams to paint. 1119 01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:51,258 You know, the seam stockings, the garter belts, 1120 01:07:51,367 --> 01:07:55,235 the snub-nosed stilettos, and that hair. 1121 01:07:55,337 --> 01:07:58,500 It's a lot of fun to paint those things. 1122 01:07:58,607 --> 01:08:02,737 Her attitude, her eyes, the steam that rises from them. 1123 01:08:02,845 --> 01:08:04,676 That's the most important thing to me. 1124 01:08:04,847 --> 01:08:08,783 She makes it accessible that anybody can be having this fun, 1125 01:08:08,884 --> 01:08:11,148 you're not going to go to hell for it. 1126 01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:12,948 (spank slaps skin) 1127 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:16,616 When AIDS came out as the huge plague, 1128 01:08:16,725 --> 01:08:20,855 and anybody who had sex could get it and die this horrible death, 1129 01:08:20,963 --> 01:08:25,195 I think that people really identify with Bettie as fantasy 1130 01:08:25,301 --> 01:08:28,395 instead of the actual sex act, 1131 01:08:28,504 --> 01:08:31,940 so it was just a matter of survival. 1132 01:08:33,676 --> 01:08:37,112 I could see that Bettie was getting more popular 1133 01:08:37,213 --> 01:08:39,408 in so many other directions. 1134 01:08:39,515 --> 01:08:43,246 And Dave Stevens' the Rocketeer happened. 1135 01:08:43,352 --> 01:08:45,343 I came across a full page photograph 1136 01:08:45,454 --> 01:08:47,479 of her standing in water 1137 01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:49,649 in a little bikini that she made 1138 01:08:49,758 --> 01:08:52,659 and just was knocked out, totally. 1139 01:08:52,761 --> 01:08:57,061 I remember thinking, this has got to be the most attractive, 1140 01:08:57,166 --> 01:08:59,634 she just exuded health 1141 01:08:59,735 --> 01:09:04,001 and joy and everything else that's like so appealing. 1142 01:09:16,752 --> 01:09:21,189 Dave's foundation certainly led to the Betty Pages. 1143 01:09:22,391 --> 01:09:25,519 At the time, nobody had reprinted a picture of Bettie Page 1144 01:09:25,628 --> 01:09:28,153 in two or three decades. 1145 01:09:29,565 --> 01:09:33,160 The first issue of the Betty Pages sold out in two weeks. 1146 01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:34,759 But word filtered back immediately. 1147 01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:36,337 Can you do a reprint of this? 1148 01:09:36,438 --> 01:09:40,636 It sold out instantly on the newsstands, I had no idea. 1149 01:09:40,743 --> 01:09:43,143 And when I say newsstands, I mean comic book stores, 1150 01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:45,679 that was my only distribution outlet at the time. 1151 01:09:45,781 --> 01:09:48,249 But there was an audience waiting. 1152 01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:50,580 Thank you, Dave Stevens. 1153 01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:53,120 The readers already knew who she was. 1154 01:09:54,223 --> 01:09:56,783 Olivia: Then Bettie really became bigger 1155 01:09:56,892 --> 01:09:59,087 in the fashion world: 1156 01:09:59,195 --> 01:10:01,129 Gaultier, Muggler, 1157 01:10:01,230 --> 01:10:03,221 the S$ M world, through Madonna. 1158 01:10:03,332 --> 01:10:05,698 You held me down and tried to make me break 1159 01:10:05,801 --> 01:10:07,564 Express yourself, don't repress yourself 1160 01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:10,969 Did I say something true? 1161 01:10:11,073 --> 01:10:14,372 Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex. 1162 01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:16,603 Olivia: You just couldn't get around her, 1163 01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:19,442 she was a force to be reckoned with. 1164 01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:23,348 She just became part of the culture. 1165 01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:26,250 Bob Shultz and I started this club, 1166 01:10:26,355 --> 01:10:28,846 the "Bettie Scouts"... tongue and cheek title, 1167 01:10:28,991 --> 01:10:31,926 kind of line Boy Scouts of America, but Bettie Scouts of America... 1168 01:10:32,027 --> 01:10:33,756 'cause we spent a lot of time going around the country 1169 01:10:33,862 --> 01:10:35,830 scouting for Bettie Page. 1170 01:10:35,931 --> 01:10:37,091 And when we started it, 1171 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,565 we did not know if Bettie was still alive. 1172 01:10:41,604 --> 01:10:44,095 My gut feeling was she had probably passed away, 1173 01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:46,868 'cause I couldn't understand how somebody could be under the radar 1174 01:10:46,976 --> 01:10:49,968 that many years, when people were actively looking for her. 1175 01:10:52,615 --> 01:10:55,641 I got a call from a reporter 1176 01:10:55,751 --> 01:10:58,777 in Nashville, Tennessee named Thomas Goldsmith. 1177 01:10:58,887 --> 01:11:03,415 I would give him credit with finding Bettie Page. 1178 01:11:03,525 --> 01:11:05,891 And he said, "Do you know where Bettie's at?" 1179 01:11:05,995 --> 01:11:08,020 And I said, "No, I'm just like all the rest 1180 01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,064 in the people in the country trying to figure out 1181 01:11:10,165 --> 01:11:12,065 what happened to Bettie Page. " 1182 01:11:12,167 --> 01:11:15,330 He said, "Bettie Page is alive. 1183 01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:17,029 And I'm gonna give you a big clue. 1184 01:11:17,139 --> 01:11:21,075 She has a living brother in Nashville." 1185 01:11:21,176 --> 01:11:23,508 Within minutes, I called Jack Page. 1186 01:11:23,612 --> 01:11:27,241 I said, "If I write a letter to Bettie, 1187 01:11:27,349 --> 01:11:30,113 would you forward it to her?" 1188 01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:32,983 And I wrote the letter, I believe it was, April... 1189 01:11:33,088 --> 01:11:35,784 April, May, 1992. 1190 01:11:35,891 --> 01:11:39,554 I didn't hear anything 'til December of 1992. 1191 01:11:39,662 --> 01:11:40,890 And I could remember that, 1192 01:11:40,996 --> 01:11:43,965 that was one of the most excited days of my life. 1193 01:11:44,066 --> 01:11:46,796 I went to the mailbox and here's a letter, 1194 01:11:46,902 --> 01:11:50,531 and it says in the corner, "Bettie Page. " 1195 01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:54,771 She used to write everything in this turquoise ink. 1196 01:11:54,877 --> 01:11:56,435 Very identifiable ink. 1197 01:11:56,545 --> 01:11:57,910 It's like her trademark. 1198 01:11:58,013 --> 01:12:00,880 And she was so flattered to have a fan club, 1199 01:12:00,983 --> 01:12:02,245 she couldn't believe that people 1200 01:12:02,351 --> 01:12:04,376 had any interest in her after all these years. 1201 01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:08,388 For about a year, we did this little relay of letters. 1202 01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:11,857 And then finally in August of 1 999, 1203 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,054 my wife and I drove out to California 1204 01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:17,758 and met Bettie face to face. 1205 01:12:17,866 --> 01:12:21,302 We spent a lot of time talking about the Bible, 1206 01:12:21,403 --> 01:12:23,064 because she loved the Bible. 1207 01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:26,972 And I enjoy reading the Bible too, so we just had a good old time. 1208 01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:28,771 And then to think, you know, 1209 01:12:28,877 --> 01:12:31,243 here I'm just a guy collecting old magazines 1210 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:35,306 and kind of becomes infatuated with this pinup girl from the '50s, 1211 01:12:35,417 --> 01:12:37,180 and to think that this could materialize 1212 01:12:37,286 --> 01:12:42,815 to the point that I get to meet her, her family, her sisters, her brothers. 1213 01:12:42,925 --> 01:12:46,088 Mark: Now, did your family know that you were a pinup model? 1214 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,493 Bettie: They never said a word to me about it, 1215 01:12:48,597 --> 01:12:51,191 never commented about it and nether did my mother. 1216 01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:56,465 One time, I was looking in her closet when she was gone to work, 1217 01:12:56,572 --> 01:12:59,541 and I found a whole big stack 1218 01:12:59,641 --> 01:13:02,303 of Robert Harrison's pinup magazines, 1219 01:13:02,411 --> 01:13:04,402 with my pictures marked 1220 01:13:04,513 --> 01:13:07,505 and the pages turned down in it. 1221 01:13:07,616 --> 01:13:10,176 Never said a word to me, one way or another about it, 1222 01:13:10,285 --> 01:13:12,651 never even mentioned it and I didn't either. 1223 01:13:17,126 --> 01:13:21,392 Theakson: She was living way out in the fringes of Los Angeles, 1224 01:13:21,497 --> 01:13:25,228 you went any further, there was no more humanity. 1225 01:13:25,334 --> 01:13:28,064 And she explained that she'd had some difficulties 1226 01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:31,105 and that she was on Social Security. 1227 01:13:32,775 --> 01:13:35,437 Mark: Now, when you walked away from the modeling career, 1228 01:13:35,544 --> 01:13:37,136 you never really looked back at it, did you? 1229 01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:39,237 Bettie: I didn't want to be bothered. 1230 01:13:39,348 --> 01:13:43,808 I'd rather be incognito, like I am nowadays. 1231 01:13:43,919 --> 01:13:45,181 (Bettie chuckles) 1232 01:13:47,089 --> 01:13:50,081 After I left New York, I went back to Florida, 1233 01:13:50,192 --> 01:13:54,629 and I just wanted to enjoy the sunshine and do something else. 1234 01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:58,461 I started up with my old boyfriend Armond Walterson 1235 01:13:58,567 --> 01:14:01,331 that I had dated in 1 954 1236 01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,735 when I was in Florida posing for Bunny Yeager. 1237 01:14:03,839 --> 01:14:06,433 He was going with Margaret. 1238 01:14:06,542 --> 01:14:07,839 As soon as I called him up 1239 01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:09,774 he dropped Margaret like a hot potato 1240 01:14:09,878 --> 01:14:12,244 and started dating me. 1241 01:14:12,347 --> 01:14:15,077 Every Saturday night, we'd go to the drive in 1242 01:14:15,184 --> 01:14:17,448 and we would sit in the car and make love. 1243 01:14:17,553 --> 01:14:19,487 We didn't watch the movies half the time. 1244 01:14:19,588 --> 01:14:20,850 (Bettie chuckles) 1245 01:14:20,956 --> 01:14:24,187 When I met him, he didn't even know how to kiss. 1246 01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:27,262 I taught him everything he knew. 1247 01:14:27,362 --> 01:14:30,456 He learned fast though. 1248 01:14:30,566 --> 01:14:33,160 Two months after the wedding, 1249 01:14:33,268 --> 01:14:36,032 I realized that I made a mistake. 1250 01:14:36,138 --> 01:14:39,266 All we had in common was movies, 1251 01:14:39,374 --> 01:14:41,774 sex, and hamburgers. 1252 01:14:43,412 --> 01:14:45,744 If ever I've been stupid about anything in my life 1253 01:14:45,848 --> 01:14:49,477 it's where men are concerned about marriage. 1254 01:14:49,585 --> 01:14:52,349 Here's what broke it all up. 1255 01:14:52,454 --> 01:14:54,547 This was the beginning of New Year's 1 958. 1256 01:14:54,656 --> 01:14:57,454 We got into a big argument 1257 01:14:57,559 --> 01:15:00,187 because he wanted to go and get drunk with his buddies, 1258 01:15:00,295 --> 01:15:03,389 and I wanted to go dancing like I'd been in the habit of doing 1259 01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:05,330 on New Year's Eve, 1260 01:15:05,434 --> 01:15:09,734 so he left at about 20 minutes to 1 2. 1261 01:15:09,838 --> 01:15:11,635 And I went walking out White Street. 1262 01:15:15,244 --> 01:15:17,474 And I saw a little church over there, 1263 01:15:17,579 --> 01:15:20,173 and heard music, singing. 1264 01:15:20,282 --> 01:15:24,082 It had a white neon cross over the top of it. 1265 01:15:26,889 --> 01:15:30,017 And I just had to go, like somebody had me by the hand, 1266 01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:33,117 I had to cross the street and go in there, I'm telling you. 1267 01:15:33,228 --> 01:15:37,426 I knew it was the Lord, nobody would ever convince me it wasn't him. 1268 01:15:38,634 --> 01:15:41,467 I stood back there and cried about all my sins. 1269 01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:45,768 I thought God disapproved of me doing nudes, you know. 1270 01:15:45,874 --> 01:15:48,138 I didn't think anything about the fetish and the bondage 1271 01:15:48,243 --> 01:15:49,938 for Irving, but I had to do that. 1272 01:15:50,045 --> 01:15:53,208 But I thought maybe He looked down on me for posing in the nude. 1273 01:15:53,315 --> 01:15:56,307 That's what I was telling the pastor, and he said, 1274 01:15:56,418 --> 01:15:59,910 "Have you ever done anything as bad as the apostle Paul?" 1275 01:16:00,022 --> 01:16:01,887 I said, "What did he do?" 1276 01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:03,719 I didn't know the Bible. 1277 01:16:03,825 --> 01:16:06,191 He said, "Well, he had the Christians murdered. 1278 01:16:06,295 --> 01:16:08,160 Have you ever done anything that bad?" 1279 01:16:08,263 --> 01:16:10,288 I said, "No, of course not. " 1280 01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:12,390 He said, "Well, God forgave him 1281 01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,833 and made him the greatest missionary of all time. 1282 01:16:14,937 --> 01:16:19,101 He can certainly forgive you for posing in the nude, don't you think?" 1283 01:16:19,207 --> 01:16:22,335 And I received the Lord Jesus as my savior 1284 01:16:22,444 --> 01:16:25,880 and I turned my life over to the Lord, 1285 01:16:25,981 --> 01:16:30,680 and went to Bible schools for three years. 1286 01:16:30,786 --> 01:16:32,276 They were very strict, you know. 1287 01:16:32,387 --> 01:16:35,151 I always loved dancing. 1288 01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:37,748 I couldn't even go dancing, couldn't even go to the movies. 1289 01:16:37,859 --> 01:16:39,952 The only movie I was allowed to attend 1290 01:16:40,062 --> 01:16:43,361 during those three years was The Ten Commandments. 1291 01:16:44,733 --> 01:16:46,257 I wanted to be a missionary. 1292 01:16:46,368 --> 01:16:47,995 I thought God wanted me to be a missionary. 1293 01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:51,869 But you know, when I graduated and I went to a mission board, 1294 01:16:51,974 --> 01:16:55,808 they would not take me because I had been divorced. 1295 01:16:55,911 --> 01:16:58,846 To some Christians, especially the fundamentalists, 1296 01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:02,610 being divorced is worse than having committed murder/ 1297 01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:07,880 They got me to believe that I would be out of the will of God 1298 01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:09,787 if I didn't go back and lead my first husband 1299 01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:12,519 to the Lord and marry him again. 1300 01:17:12,628 --> 01:17:16,120 Well, I led him to the Lord and he prayed with me to receive Jesus 1301 01:17:16,231 --> 01:17:18,256 and I thought he was sincere 1302 01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,665 and I married him again. 1303 01:17:20,769 --> 01:17:23,897 One month I was in his house. 1304 01:17:24,006 --> 01:17:26,839 The man would not even have sex with me. 1305 01:17:26,942 --> 01:17:28,500 And I see him, I said, "What's the matter, Billy?" 1306 01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:30,942 He said, "Well, you're filthy. You've still got a venereal disease. " 1307 01:17:31,046 --> 01:17:33,241 I said, "Where did you ever hear anything like that?" 1308 01:17:33,348 --> 01:17:34,906 He said, "Everybody knows it. " 1309 01:17:35,017 --> 01:17:39,113 I said, "Everybody's a liar, I've never had a venereal disease in my life. " 1310 01:17:40,355 --> 01:17:43,153 Well, do you know, he grabbed me by the throat, 1311 01:17:43,258 --> 01:17:44,885 I mean, he was choking me. 1312 01:17:44,993 --> 01:17:48,759 I was finally able to get his hands off enough to scream out loud, 1313 01:17:48,864 --> 01:17:51,697 "Billy, if you kill me, God will never forgive you/" 1314 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,600 He let go, and he got up and went in his room. 1315 01:17:55,704 --> 01:17:57,934 The man almost choked me to death. 1316 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,498 But that was the worst thing that ever happened to me. 1317 01:18:01,610 --> 01:18:03,771 I almost lost my life over it. 1318 01:18:06,148 --> 01:18:08,378 I had the thing annulled right away, 1319 01:18:08,483 --> 01:18:11,350 since it was never consummated sexually. 1320 01:18:12,854 --> 01:18:14,913 After I spent a year and a half 1321 01:18:15,023 --> 01:18:17,685 working on a masters degree at Peabody, 1322 01:18:17,793 --> 01:18:22,321 I just lacked four credits now, getting the masters, 1323 01:18:22,431 --> 01:18:25,093 and I just got tired of studying. 1324 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,225 So I left Nashville. 1325 01:18:27,335 --> 01:18:32,739 I went back to Miami and I started going dancing again. 1326 01:18:34,843 --> 01:18:37,903 And one night I saw this handsome fella. 1327 01:18:38,013 --> 01:18:41,414 She didn't look like a model of any kind, you know. 1328 01:18:41,516 --> 01:18:45,008 She's just a healthy looking young lady. 1329 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,611 Well, not so young, she was in her forties, 1330 01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:50,692 but just looked like a nice person. 1331 01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:53,659 So I went out on the floor and asked her to dance, 1332 01:18:53,762 --> 01:18:56,287 and she says, "Certainly, I'd love to dance with you." 1333 01:18:56,398 --> 01:19:00,027 So we danced and we danced, we danced all night. 1334 01:19:00,135 --> 01:19:02,899 She was the most unpretentious person 1335 01:19:03,004 --> 01:19:04,665 that I have ever met. 1336 01:19:04,773 --> 01:19:09,767 I called her the next day and we were inseparable. 1337 01:19:09,878 --> 01:19:11,743 Bettie: He was divorced. 1338 01:19:11,847 --> 01:19:13,337 He says, "I have two boys and a girl. " 1339 01:19:13,448 --> 01:19:16,315 I said, "Two boys and a girl, that's what I always wanted. " 1340 01:19:17,586 --> 01:19:21,181 Well, I couldn't have children, I tried for years. 1341 01:19:21,289 --> 01:19:25,726 But I was attracted to Harry from the word "go". 1342 01:19:25,827 --> 01:19:29,923 I just wanted to be with him and to make love to him. 1343 01:19:30,031 --> 01:19:31,760 Harry: I didn't know a thing about her. 1344 01:19:31,867 --> 01:19:34,028 We went out on this pier, 1345 01:19:34,136 --> 01:19:37,594 and I was looking through the post cards 1346 01:19:37,706 --> 01:19:40,675 and I saw this post card and I looked at that post card, 1347 01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,574 and I looked over at her and I looked at the card again. 1348 01:19:43,678 --> 01:19:45,305 It was Bettie. 1349 01:19:45,413 --> 01:19:49,213 Bettie: It says, "Wow/ We alligators have such fun in Florida. " 1350 01:19:49,317 --> 01:19:50,944 (Bettie chuckles) 1351 01:19:52,354 --> 01:19:55,152 Harry: She told me that she modeled a lot. 1352 01:19:55,257 --> 01:19:58,488 And she told me she never posed nude. 1353 01:19:58,593 --> 01:20:00,652 (Harry laughs) 1354 01:20:00,762 --> 01:20:04,095 It didn't make any difference to me. 1355 01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:06,190 The people on the beach, 1356 01:20:06,301 --> 01:20:08,599 their heads would turn and follow us, 1357 01:20:08,703 --> 01:20:12,264 not me of course, but they would follow us walking along the beach. 1358 01:20:13,275 --> 01:20:18,508 Bettie: We got married on Valentine's Day 1 967 1359 01:20:18,613 --> 01:20:24,245 with his three children as witnesses to the wedding. 1360 01:20:24,352 --> 01:20:27,253 Harry: I had a nice new home for Bettie 1361 01:20:27,355 --> 01:20:32,383 and the children, everything was set up perfect, you know. 1362 01:20:32,494 --> 01:20:35,292 And then we had an addition put on the house 1363 01:20:35,397 --> 01:20:37,297 with a cement roof on top, 1364 01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:41,335 and then I had a three foot wall around the top of it, 1365 01:20:41,436 --> 01:20:43,927 she'd sunbathe in the nude up there sometimes. 1366 01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:47,074 Bettie: He was a hard worker. 1367 01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:49,200 Harry was a good provider, a good lover, 1368 01:20:49,311 --> 01:20:51,779 now, he was one of the best lovers I ever had in my life. 1369 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,848 And he was very considerate of me, 1370 01:20:53,949 --> 01:20:57,214 always thinking of my pleasure before his own. 1371 01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:00,755 I'm not anymore, but I was a very good lover, 1372 01:21:00,856 --> 01:21:02,289 and she was a very good lover. 1373 01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:05,223 We enjoyed thrilling each other. 1374 01:21:05,327 --> 01:21:09,423 Oh, by the way, that leopard skin robe, you know. 1375 01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:11,726 She still had that. 1376 01:21:11,833 --> 01:21:16,202 And in the morning she'd put it on, and in the evening she'd put it on. 1377 01:21:16,304 --> 01:21:19,637 It just turned me wild when I saw her walking around with that thing on. 1378 01:21:19,741 --> 01:21:21,834 (Mark laughing) 1379 01:21:21,943 --> 01:21:25,902 Bettie: Well, the children were just as sweet and nice to me 1380 01:21:26,014 --> 01:21:29,177 during the months that I dated Harry. 1381 01:21:29,284 --> 01:21:34,153 But soon as I moved into the house, everything changed. 1382 01:21:34,256 --> 01:21:35,587 His ex-wife, 1383 01:21:35,690 --> 01:21:38,318 she was so jealous of me with the children, 1384 01:21:38,426 --> 01:21:41,827 and she called me up at 4:00 in the morning and cussed me out. 1385 01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:45,195 It was getting on my nerves, I wasn't getting any sleep, 1386 01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:46,892 and I was very unhappy. 1387 01:21:47,002 --> 01:21:50,096 So I stuck it out for five years. 1388 01:21:50,205 --> 01:21:52,264 I started losing my love for Harry 1389 01:21:52,374 --> 01:21:54,433 when he wouldn't make those children mind me 1390 01:21:54,542 --> 01:21:56,407 or do anything I asked them to do. 1391 01:21:59,481 --> 01:22:01,972 Harry: She wanted to start going to church again. 1392 01:22:02,083 --> 01:22:05,143 And the whole family went to church together. 1393 01:22:05,253 --> 01:22:10,520 We went Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday evening. 1394 01:22:10,625 --> 01:22:15,562 I mean, it got to be like sort of a fanatic thing, you know. 1395 01:22:15,664 --> 01:22:16,926 I could see it in her eyes. 1396 01:22:17,032 --> 01:22:20,126 We'd go to church and she'd blast out singing, 1397 01:22:20,235 --> 01:22:23,966 not boisterous or anything but real loud voice singing. 1398 01:22:24,072 --> 01:22:27,269 Tears came down her cheeks, 1399 01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:29,605 and she'd get real emotional. 1400 01:22:29,711 --> 01:22:32,373 She was so obsessed with things of the Lord. 1401 01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,176 Why should I stop her if... 1402 01:22:35,283 --> 01:22:37,877 ...if she wanted to go and serve God, 1403 01:22:37,986 --> 01:22:40,716 or the Lord, or be a missionary. 1404 01:22:42,891 --> 01:22:48,761 Bettie: I got divorced on January 17, 1 97 2, 1405 01:22:48,863 --> 01:22:50,660 then I went to Bible Town, 1406 01:22:50,765 --> 01:22:54,895 which is 7 0 miles up near Boca Raton, Florida. 1407 01:22:55,003 --> 01:22:58,336 While I was up there, I started imagining 1408 01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:01,637 that I was hearing somebody talking to me on my tape recorder, 1409 01:23:01,743 --> 01:23:04,803 and I thought I was really listening 1410 01:23:04,913 --> 01:23:07,905 to God and the angels and the devil. 1411 01:23:08,016 --> 01:23:10,644 I lost a lot of weight then, I wasn't eating 1412 01:23:10,752 --> 01:23:14,017 because they were keeping me awake talking all night. 1413 01:23:16,257 --> 01:23:20,717 It had built up in my mind so much that my mind snapped. 1414 01:23:22,797 --> 01:23:26,460 Harry: She had caused some kind of a disturbance. 1415 01:23:26,568 --> 01:23:28,468 The police called me 1416 01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:33,473 and asked me if I could come up and pick her up. 1417 01:23:33,575 --> 01:23:37,443 I put her out there in my, I think it was my bedroom, 1418 01:23:37,545 --> 01:23:40,309 and I slept on the couch at the time. 1419 01:23:40,415 --> 01:23:42,474 I thought I owed it to her. 1420 01:23:42,584 --> 01:23:44,711 What would happen if I kicked her out? 1421 01:23:44,819 --> 01:23:49,756 And the state of Florida in no way is good to mental illness. 1422 01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:53,453 And I tried to get her going in places 1423 01:23:53,561 --> 01:23:55,893 and they wouldn't bother with her. 1424 01:23:55,997 --> 01:23:59,125 She had lost it, there's no doubt about it. 1425 01:23:59,234 --> 01:24:02,328 Bettie called us into the living room, 1426 01:24:02,437 --> 01:24:05,201 me and my son Larry and Brad, 1427 01:24:05,306 --> 01:24:10,266 called us over by this picture of Jesus Christ, 1428 01:24:10,378 --> 01:24:12,710 with a knife in her hand. 1429 01:24:12,814 --> 01:24:14,782 She said, "If you take your eyes off him, 1430 01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:17,647 I'm going to cut your guts out. " 1431 01:24:20,555 --> 01:24:22,785 Whoa, you know, here I was. 1432 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:24,722 I could read Bettie pretty good 1433 01:24:24,826 --> 01:24:29,957 and I felt safe that she wasn't going to do it right then. 1434 01:24:30,065 --> 01:24:32,761 I said, "Bettie, I've got to go to the bathroom, 1435 01:24:32,867 --> 01:24:35,768 I've got to relieve myself real bad." 1436 01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:38,668 So I went back into the bedroom, 1437 01:24:38,773 --> 01:24:40,968 picked up the phone, 1438 01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:42,976 called the Hialeah Police. 1439 01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:45,376 I let the cop in the front door. 1440 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,074 Bettie went peacefully, 1441 01:24:48,183 --> 01:24:50,310 with a blank look on her face. 1442 01:24:51,352 --> 01:24:54,412 Bettie: I ended up having a nervous breakdown and hearing voices, 1443 01:24:54,522 --> 01:24:57,548 and had to go to the hospital because of it. 1444 01:24:57,659 --> 01:25:00,389 They took me to Jackson Memorial Hospital. 1445 01:25:00,495 --> 01:25:03,862 They have on the fifth floor a psychiatric ward. 1446 01:25:03,965 --> 01:25:06,798 I was just there two months. 1447 01:25:06,901 --> 01:25:10,462 They gave me this horrible thorazine. 1448 01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:15,066 I felt like I had sparks and things going in my head, 1449 01:25:15,176 --> 01:25:17,440 and you feel like you're going to die right after, 1450 01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:19,911 for an hour or two after you take the thorazine. 1451 01:25:21,883 --> 01:25:25,649 But it knocked the voices right out of me though. 1452 01:25:25,753 --> 01:25:29,689 Harry: She was completely medicated all the time. 1453 01:25:30,825 --> 01:25:33,225 Mark: Now, when she was getting treatment, 1454 01:25:33,328 --> 01:25:35,421 do you know if they gave her any shock treatment? 1455 01:25:36,998 --> 01:25:39,023 Harry: I think she had two. 1456 01:25:41,369 --> 01:25:48,002 Jimmy, one time he came up to the house after Bettie was with me awhile. 1457 01:25:49,377 --> 01:25:51,811 He said, "I'm gonna take Bettie back to California with me, 1458 01:25:51,913 --> 01:25:54,040 we're gonna get a place, we're gonna live together, 1459 01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:56,413 we're gonna get a house or something." 1460 01:25:56,518 --> 01:25:59,783 California, it's a very liberal state, 1461 01:25:59,888 --> 01:26:03,346 and their mental facilities are the best in the world. 1462 01:26:05,059 --> 01:26:08,517 Bettie: Jimmy and I were close when we were growing up. 1463 01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:10,530 I didn't have any money hardly. 1464 01:26:10,632 --> 01:26:13,100 I had just enough to get to California at the time. 1465 01:26:14,869 --> 01:26:18,600 Jimmy was supposed to meet her in California, 1466 01:26:18,706 --> 01:26:21,231 didn't show up. 1467 01:26:21,342 --> 01:26:23,640 That's why she got in trouble. 1468 01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:31,485 Richard W. Bann: She was trying to get rent receipts from her landlord. 1469 01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:34,054 She was hearing voices, 1470 01:26:34,155 --> 01:26:36,953 I guess telling her to do some pretty awful things. 1471 01:26:37,058 --> 01:26:40,721 And she thought it was the devil speaking to her. 1472 01:26:40,828 --> 01:26:42,159 And she did tell me, 1473 01:26:42,263 --> 01:26:46,029 "I had a knife and I was upset with my landlady, 1474 01:26:46,134 --> 01:26:48,728 and I wrestled her to the ground and I straddled her, 1475 01:26:48,836 --> 01:26:51,566 and I told her that I was going to cut her up." 1476 01:26:51,673 --> 01:26:53,470 The lady did not die. 1477 01:26:53,575 --> 01:26:57,534 The lady got cut pretty severally on her hand. 1478 01:26:57,645 --> 01:27:00,773 Bleeding, blood everywhere. 1479 01:27:00,882 --> 01:27:02,816 Obvious that the lady needed stitches. 1480 01:27:02,917 --> 01:27:06,853 She was stabbed like 20 or 30 times. 1481 01:27:06,955 --> 01:27:12,154 She pleaded insanity to this charge of "attempt to commit murder" 1482 01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:15,627 and this assault so they then put her away for ten years. 1483 01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:23,793 Bettie: You talked to the psychiatrist, I think it was, 1484 01:27:23,905 --> 01:27:26,703 three times a week for half an hour. 1485 01:27:26,808 --> 01:27:31,643 And you went to groups, mostly group therapy as they call it. 1486 01:27:31,746 --> 01:27:33,737 You just talked about why 1487 01:27:33,848 --> 01:27:35,816 or what caused you to have your breakdown, 1488 01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:39,375 and I was put on something called Novane and Artane. 1489 01:27:39,487 --> 01:27:43,184 She had never hinted about any of the trouble with the law, 1490 01:27:43,291 --> 01:27:46,317 any of the mental institution years, any of that. 1491 01:27:46,427 --> 01:27:49,453 Bettie: I didn't think it was something anybody would want to hear about. 1492 01:27:49,564 --> 01:27:51,828 And it was not anybody's business. 1493 01:27:53,034 --> 01:27:56,060 A lot of people still look down on you if you've had a nervous breakdown. 1494 01:27:56,170 --> 01:27:59,662 They still thinking like they did a hundred years ago about it. 1495 01:28:02,076 --> 01:28:04,101 Bann: Bettie's the one that paid the price, 1496 01:28:04,212 --> 01:28:07,375 spending 9 or 10 years at Patton State 1497 01:28:07,482 --> 01:28:09,950 in a horrible, horrible situation. 1498 01:28:11,386 --> 01:28:15,914 I learned that she was paranoid schizophrenic. 1499 01:28:16,024 --> 01:28:19,084 That's an enormous cross to bare. 1500 01:28:19,193 --> 01:28:23,391 And whereas she had her parents 1501 01:28:23,498 --> 01:28:27,127 to thank for her amazing good looks, 1502 01:28:27,235 --> 01:28:28,463 it was a mixed blessing 1503 01:28:28,569 --> 01:28:31,595 because her parents were also responsible 1504 01:28:31,706 --> 01:28:35,802 for this genetic predisposition 1505 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:39,346 towards paranoid schizophrenia, 1506 01:28:39,447 --> 01:28:43,076 plus her mother didn't want her, 1507 01:28:43,184 --> 01:28:46,915 and her father molested her. 1508 01:28:47,021 --> 01:28:51,082 Those are heavy burdens to deal with. 1509 01:28:55,229 --> 01:28:58,096 She was probably one of the most strong willed people 1510 01:28:58,199 --> 01:28:59,530 anyone's ever going to meet. 1511 01:28:59,634 --> 01:29:02,660 And she'd admit that she had fallen down 1512 01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:05,330 but she was going to renew, 1513 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,170 with great enthusiasm and optimism 1514 01:29:08,276 --> 01:29:10,267 that this time she would get it right. 1515 01:29:10,378 --> 01:29:15,111 I told her that anytime there's anything she needs, 1516 01:29:15,216 --> 01:29:17,150 that there are thousands of people 1517 01:29:17,251 --> 01:29:20,118 who would just do anything for her if they had the chance. 1518 01:29:20,221 --> 01:29:24,453 The one who really did the most for her was Dave Stevens, 1519 01:29:24,559 --> 01:29:27,084 to the point of she would call him to go out 1520 01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:30,221 and bring her food or take her to the doctor. 1521 01:29:30,331 --> 01:29:32,765 Stevens: I took her into Tower Records 1522 01:29:32,867 --> 01:29:35,859 and I steered her around to the book section, 1523 01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:39,064 and there on an end cap of an aisle of books 1524 01:29:39,173 --> 01:29:42,404 was a display of nothing but Bettie Page books, 1525 01:29:42,510 --> 01:29:45,479 and she just stood there in amazement. 1526 01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:47,980 She gets so tickled when she sees some new book 1527 01:29:48,082 --> 01:29:52,519 with her picture on it or some... whatever product it is, 1528 01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:55,088 even if she's not getting any money for it. 1529 01:29:55,189 --> 01:30:00,183 Bann: Dave knew that Bettie had been Miss January 1 955, 1530 01:30:00,294 --> 01:30:02,956 and he knew that Hef had never met Bettie Page 1531 01:30:03,064 --> 01:30:05,294 and suggested that they meet. 1532 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,631 Bettie: And he invited me to dinner at his home, 1533 01:30:08,736 --> 01:30:11,170 the most beautiful home I've ever been in in my life. 1534 01:30:11,272 --> 01:30:14,264 Looks like a big castle up in Beverly Hills. 1535 01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:16,605 So usually at the Playboy Mansion, 1536 01:30:16,711 --> 01:30:19,111 everyone has cameras, everything is being recorded. 1537 01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:22,080 But on this night, because of Bettie being so private, 1538 01:30:22,183 --> 01:30:24,617 so discreet, no cameras. 1539 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,051 Bettie: I liked Mr. Hefner. 1540 01:30:27,155 --> 01:30:29,487 He was a very nice, down to earth fella. 1541 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:32,650 And he greeted us, Dave Stevens and l, 1542 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,389 in his pajamas, now, a smoking jacket 1543 01:30:36,497 --> 01:30:40,763 and his purple, satin pajamas. 1544 01:30:40,868 --> 01:30:44,668 And Hef had arranged for a loan of a 35mm print of "The Rocketeer", 1545 01:30:44,772 --> 01:30:49,038 which was Dave Stevens' creation, from Disney. 1546 01:30:49,143 --> 01:30:51,338 And Bettie had never seen the film. 1547 01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:54,472 She wanted to see this film that was an homage 1548 01:30:54,582 --> 01:30:55,981 to her, inspired by her. 1549 01:30:56,184 --> 01:30:59,153 You're a sweet little headache 1550 01:30:59,253 --> 01:31:02,814 But you are lots of fun 1551 01:31:02,924 --> 01:31:05,017 I've a good mind to spank you... 1552 01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:06,923 There was an unauthorized film 1553 01:31:07,028 --> 01:31:12,625 made in 2005 called "The Notorious Bettie Page". 1554 01:31:12,733 --> 01:31:14,030 This is quite an elegant knot, 1555 01:31:14,135 --> 01:31:17,070 because the more the subject pulls the tighter the knot becomes. 1556 01:31:18,906 --> 01:31:22,740 She didn't like the word "Notorious" in the title. 1557 01:31:22,844 --> 01:31:25,642 And do you approve? 1558 01:31:25,746 --> 01:31:27,611 I believe in Jesus. 1559 01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:31,350 Well, of course you do, my dear. 1560 01:31:35,656 --> 01:31:37,590 Of course you do. 1561 01:31:39,594 --> 01:31:41,323 Bann: But all of a sudden, here's what you heard 1562 01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:43,397 from the back of the screening room. 1563 01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:47,264 "Lies, lies, lies! 1564 01:31:47,368 --> 01:31:51,031 L-l-E-S, lies! 1565 01:31:51,138 --> 01:31:54,301 Why don't you tell the truth?" 1566 01:31:55,309 --> 01:31:56,799 (woman gasps) 1567 01:31:56,911 --> 01:31:59,505 Hefner: When she resurfaced here in California, 1568 01:31:59,614 --> 01:32:03,345 she was not being properly represented by anybody, 1569 01:32:03,451 --> 01:32:07,148 and a lot of people were exploiting her and taking advantage of her. 1570 01:32:07,255 --> 01:32:13,057 And I was able to put her in the hands of more appropriate business people, 1571 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:14,821 legal people, 1572 01:32:14,929 --> 01:32:16,954 so that she had the right kind of representation 1573 01:32:17,064 --> 01:32:19,760 and somebody to look after her and take care of her. 1574 01:32:19,867 --> 01:32:22,028 And we've been very close ever since. 1575 01:32:22,136 --> 01:32:25,537 And I had a call from Mr. Hefner, who asked me 1576 01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,335 if I would help out a friend of his 1577 01:32:27,441 --> 01:32:30,137 and try to see that anything that was done 1578 01:32:30,244 --> 01:32:31,768 with Bettie's name and likeness 1579 01:32:31,879 --> 01:32:34,177 ultimately had her approval on it 1580 01:32:34,282 --> 01:32:37,945 and of course she would receive some type of compensation for it. 1581 01:32:38,052 --> 01:32:40,520 Bettie: I made more money in very recent years 1582 01:32:40,621 --> 01:32:44,421 than I ever made during the seven years I was modeling back in the '50s. 1583 01:32:44,525 --> 01:32:47,585 Bettie was able to enjoy life more 1584 01:32:47,695 --> 01:32:51,324 because of what she could do in the later part of her life. 1585 01:32:51,432 --> 01:32:53,127 (people chattering) 1586 01:32:59,140 --> 01:33:01,165 I think she had an incredible charm. 1587 01:33:01,275 --> 01:33:04,369 She had an incredible aura, or how you say it, charisma. 1588 01:33:04,478 --> 01:33:07,413 And I think a lot of models learned from her. 1589 01:33:07,515 --> 01:33:09,915 There's nothing intimidating about Bettie. 1590 01:33:10,017 --> 01:33:11,951 Women can appreciate her, men can appreciate her. 1591 01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:15,580 Most of them, you don't really remember the the person, 1592 01:33:15,690 --> 01:33:18,625 but her, you know, you say, "Oh yeah, that's Bettie Page. " 1593 01:33:18,726 --> 01:33:21,456 She's also has had the keen sense of timing 1594 01:33:21,562 --> 01:33:24,895 to know exactly when not to appear, which is hard. 1595 01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,158 Man #1: Go ahead, Bettie. 1596 01:33:27,268 --> 01:33:29,293 Bettie: Hello every one of you. 1597 01:33:29,403 --> 01:33:32,634 - (crowd oohs) - Hi, Bettie. 1598 01:33:32,740 --> 01:33:34,264 Bettie: Thank you very much. 1599 01:33:34,375 --> 01:33:36,639 Gee, sounds like a big mob. 1600 01:33:36,744 --> 01:33:38,041 Man #1: It is a big mob. 1601 01:33:38,145 --> 01:33:41,911 Man #2: Bettie, you have thrown the coolest opening in SoHo that I've seen. 1602 01:33:42,016 --> 01:33:45,713 Bettie: I hope you like my book, I'm very pleased with it. 1603 01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:49,916 Woman: And we're just all super fans of yours, and we all wanted to say 1604 01:33:50,024 --> 01:33:52,754 congratulations, and three cheers to Bettie Page. 1605 01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:55,658 (cheering and applause) 1606 01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:00,963 When I realized it was really big 1607 01:34:01,068 --> 01:34:06,335 is when I got the first Bettie Scouts of America fan letter from China. 1608 01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:09,068 I mean, it's literally all over the world. 1609 01:34:09,176 --> 01:34:11,235 New Zealand, Australia, all over Europe. 1610 01:34:11,345 --> 01:34:13,939 She's very very popular in Japan. 1611 01:34:14,048 --> 01:34:15,675 Very popular in England, 1612 01:34:15,783 --> 01:34:17,341 France and Germany. 1613 01:34:23,157 --> 01:34:26,251 Chantal Thomass: Always I had been inspired by Bettie Page, 1614 01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:30,660 and then the pinups from the '50s and Bettie is the one, 1615 01:34:30,765 --> 01:34:33,063 the most extreme and most special one. 1616 01:34:33,167 --> 01:34:35,192 Chantal Thomass (in French): Bettie Page was way ahead of her time... 1617 01:34:52,053 --> 01:34:55,784 She influenced [Theiry Mugler, Gauliter]. 1618 01:34:55,890 --> 01:34:57,721 I mean, she did it with humor, 1619 01:34:57,825 --> 01:35:00,658 and I'll always work on my design in lingerie with humor. 1620 01:35:00,761 --> 01:35:02,285 I mean, it has to be sexy, 1621 01:35:02,396 --> 01:35:05,194 but it must have a small part of humor. 1622 01:35:06,634 --> 01:35:09,762 Bettie Page can be an example for women 1623 01:35:09,870 --> 01:35:15,240 to be beautiful, fun, sexy, and why not, intelligent. 1624 01:35:16,711 --> 01:35:19,202 Lisa, we got another postcard from your father. 1625 01:35:19,313 --> 01:35:21,474 Wish you were her. 1626 01:35:21,582 --> 01:35:23,413 How many of these things is he going to send me? 1627 01:35:23,517 --> 01:35:26,350 Beyonce: Why don't you love me? 1628 01:35:26,454 --> 01:35:28,718 Tell me baby why don't you love me 1629 01:35:28,823 --> 01:35:33,021 When I make me so damn easy to love. 1630 01:35:35,029 --> 01:35:36,724 Brewster: You know, when I started seeing girls, 1631 01:35:36,831 --> 01:35:39,322 teenage, twenty, young girls, 1632 01:35:39,433 --> 01:35:42,027 with Bettie tattoos, I could not believe it. 1633 01:35:42,970 --> 01:35:45,438 And why don't you need me? 1634 01:35:45,539 --> 01:35:48,007 Brewster: They're looking at her as a role model, 1635 01:35:48,109 --> 01:35:52,102 as this symbol of joyous sexual freedom. 1636 01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:54,681 Tell me, baby, why don't you love me 1637 01:35:54,782 --> 01:35:58,047 When I make me so damn easy to love? 1638 01:36:02,623 --> 01:36:03,817 Bann: It's a tribute to her. 1639 01:36:03,924 --> 01:36:06,324 These heartbreaking good looks, 1640 01:36:06,494 --> 01:36:09,793 the riveting appeal of her personality, 1641 01:36:09,897 --> 01:36:13,355 still to this day inspires the kind of response 1642 01:36:13,467 --> 01:36:16,265 that you get from artists, 1643 01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:19,362 fashion designers, 1644 01:36:19,473 --> 01:36:22,533 and the fandom, which we know is incredible. 1645 01:36:23,711 --> 01:36:26,839 The Bettie Page they love is very real. 1646 01:36:26,947 --> 01:36:31,941 In other words, I think that she had this kind of amoral attitude 1647 01:36:32,052 --> 01:36:36,386 towards sexuality and nudity, and even, you know, the bondage things. 1648 01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:41,894 She did not disgrace those who looked more sternly 1649 01:36:41,996 --> 01:36:46,057 upon portraits of sexuality. 1650 01:36:46,167 --> 01:36:51,002 I think she handled her phases of life with dignity. 1651 01:36:52,139 --> 01:36:56,803 The suggestion back then that sex was simply a natural, 1652 01:36:56,911 --> 01:37:01,245 normal part of life was very revolutionary, 1653 01:37:01,348 --> 01:37:08,015 and helped to change the values of our time. 1654 01:37:09,023 --> 01:37:12,720 I think that in that context Bettie Page is truly iconic. 1655 01:37:15,863 --> 01:37:18,354 If you think the images are wonderful, you have no idea. 1656 01:37:18,465 --> 01:37:20,933 She's a wonderful human being. 1657 01:37:21,035 --> 01:37:24,869 Bettie: I never thought of myself as anything special or important. 1658 01:37:24,972 --> 01:37:28,271 I was just doing my job and enjoyed ever bit of it. 1659 01:37:28,375 --> 01:37:30,240 (Bettie laughs) 1660 01:37:30,344 --> 01:37:34,405 And I'm so thankful that you like my pictures 1661 01:37:34,515 --> 01:37:38,110 and that you care as much as you do about me, 1662 01:37:38,219 --> 01:37:42,519 and I wish you all the best, every one of you. 1663 01:37:51,432 --> 01:37:53,900 ("21 st Century Bettie Page" by Jack Rabbit Slim playing) 1664 01:38:04,445 --> 01:38:07,812 Well I've seen her face, in a magazine 1665 01:38:07,915 --> 01:38:09,507 She was looking real cute 1666 01:38:09,617 --> 01:38:11,278 Yea, without her jeans 1667 01:38:11,385 --> 01:38:12,977 She was staring back at me 1668 01:38:13,087 --> 01:38:14,418 With those cunning bad eyes 1669 01:38:14,521 --> 01:38:17,718 I got so turned on, it was hard to disguise 1670 01:38:17,825 --> 01:38:21,261 The 21 st Century Bettie Page 1671 01:38:21,362 --> 01:38:24,354 The 21 st Century Bettie Page 1672 01:38:24,465 --> 01:38:27,628 Well she's got a different look, it's from another page 1673 01:38:27,735 --> 01:38:31,637 She's a 21 st Century Bettie Page 1674 01:38:37,645 --> 01:38:41,081 Well, I found her name from a mixed flat mate... 1675 01:38:41,181 --> 01:38:43,615 I am a huge fan, I love her. 1676 01:38:43,717 --> 01:38:45,776 We are the daughters of Bettie Page. 1677 01:38:45,886 --> 01:38:48,150 There's a little Bettie in all of us. 1678 01:38:48,255 --> 01:38:50,314 Everyone has a dark side to them 1679 01:38:50,424 --> 01:38:53,621 and she just showed her dark side the best way possible. 1680 01:38:53,727 --> 01:38:59,563 Wild, strong, liberated, yet extremely sexy woman. 1681 01:39:00,834 --> 01:39:02,597 - Bettie: Hello? - Bettie? 1682 01:39:02,703 --> 01:39:04,102 Yes? 1683 01:39:04,204 --> 01:39:07,537 It's been so many years. This is Paula Klaw, how are you? 1684 01:39:07,641 --> 01:39:10,371 Very good. Gee, you sound like a young girl. 1685 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,976 I like my privacy these days, I don't even give out interviews at all. 1686 01:39:17,084 --> 01:39:19,552 Yeah, I know. Good for you. 1687 01:39:19,653 --> 01:39:21,245 So what's your biggest seller now? 1688 01:39:21,355 --> 01:39:22,617 Bettie Page. 1689 01:39:22,723 --> 01:39:24,350 You're kidding, I don't believe you. 1690 01:39:24,458 --> 01:39:28,861 Do believe me. Everybody wants your pictures, Bettie. 1691 01:39:28,963 --> 01:39:33,559 I know, I can't get over the popularity. 1692 01:39:33,667 --> 01:39:36,602 Well, I'm sure you must have been doing something right. 1693 01:39:36,704 --> 01:39:38,001 (Bettie laughs) 1694 01:39:38,105 --> 01:39:40,835 I don't know, it amazes me, I'm telling you. 1695 01:39:40,941 --> 01:39:42,533 I don't understand it at all. 1696 01:39:42,643 --> 01:39:47,945 Well, what a delight to talk to you after so many years. 1697 01:39:48,048 --> 01:39:49,515 (Bettie laughs) Okay. 1698 01:39:49,616 --> 01:39:51,277 - Okay. - All right. 1699 01:39:51,385 --> 01:39:53,478 Okay, sweetheart, it was a delight talking to you. 1700 01:39:53,587 --> 01:39:54,781 Same here, Paula. 1701 01:39:54,888 --> 01:39:56,549 Okay, love you, sweetheart. 1702 01:39:56,657 --> 01:39:57,646 You too. 1703 01:39:57,758 --> 01:39:59,851 And I think of you fondly and Irving too. 1704 01:39:59,960 --> 01:40:01,291 Thank you, darling. 1705 01:40:01,395 --> 01:40:03,955 - Bye bye. - Bye bye. 1706 01:40:04,064 --> 01:40:06,794 I didn't hardly recognize her voice, 1707 01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:08,595 it's even so much deeper. 1708 01:40:08,702 --> 01:40:11,899 I guess in the years your voice changes, 1709 01:40:12,006 --> 01:40:15,533 'cause she's got like a hoarseness to her voice. 1710 01:40:15,642 --> 01:40:17,974 But the same Bettie. 1711 01:40:18,078 --> 01:40:20,569 Love her, she sounds so great. 1712 01:40:20,681 --> 01:40:21,841 ("Oh Betty" by Olivia Olson playing) 1713 01:40:21,949 --> 01:40:23,416 Oh Betty 1714 01:40:23,517 --> 01:40:26,953 Sweet and fun and kind of saucy 1715 01:40:27,054 --> 01:40:31,150 You can be a little bossy 1716 01:40:31,258 --> 01:40:32,953 But I don't care 1717 01:40:33,060 --> 01:40:36,496 Just wink at me in your underwear 1718 01:40:36,597 --> 01:40:38,292 Oh Betty 1719 01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:41,994 The world is not quite ready 1720 01:40:42,102 --> 01:40:45,629 For you and your satin teddy 1721 01:40:45,739 --> 01:40:47,604 But you're a star 1722 01:40:47,708 --> 01:40:51,269 And I will take you just the way you are 1723 01:40:51,378 --> 01:40:54,472 Betty, in color or black and white 1724 01:40:54,581 --> 01:40:56,446 On a bear skin rug 1725 01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:58,450 Or dressed up tight 1726 01:40:58,552 --> 01:41:01,851 Betty, with a smile so sweet 1727 01:41:01,955 --> 01:41:03,445 It just melts my heart 1728 01:41:03,557 --> 01:41:05,684 Maybe some day we'll meet 1729 01:41:05,793 --> 01:41:09,456 Maybe some day we'll meet 1730 01:41:09,563 --> 01:41:12,691 Betty, can you stay the night? 1731 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,859 Don't have to ask your mother 1732 01:41:14,968 --> 01:41:16,731 If it will be all right 1733 01:41:16,837 --> 01:41:19,397 Betty, please say you might 1734 01:41:20,507 --> 01:41:25,206 Betty, please say you might. 1735 01:41:28,206 --> 01:41:32,206 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 140378

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