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[reporter] Robert Maxwell

is one of Britain's most influential businessmen.

She said to me, "Don't forget, I'm Daddy's girl."

She was interested in sex. I mean, we have to say that.

Women were to take off their tops and bras

and present their breasts to the men.

Robert Maxwell is dead.

[newsreader] Robert Maxwell's

business empire is collapsing tonight.

I imagine that she went to America to get away from that.

[Kornbluth] The only sin in New York is not to have money.

She met Jeffrey Epstein

and became involved in a relationship with him.

[Pivar] Jeffrey Epstein was my best pal for decades.

He appointed me in charge of Ghislaine.

Many people have lost their money,

you know, become impoverished.

They don't all turn to crime. It's not the next step.

You tell me one person you know,

and take 20 people who know them,

who don't give you different versions

of what they think of that person.

[siren wails]

[newsreader] The much anticipated trial

of accused Jeffrey Epstein recruiter Ghislaine Maxwell

is now underway here in New York.

I'd like some answers. Let's get this show on the road.

[reporter] The prosecution says Ghislaine Maxwell

lured young girls with money and gifts

and then subjected them to sexual abuse.

Her defense argues she was the one

manipulated by Jeffrey Epstein

and ultimately is now the scapegoat for Epstein's crimes.

[man over loudspeaker] What do you know, Ghislaine Maxwell? What do you know?

[newsreader] Maxwell, the daughter of a British media mogul

and Epstein's former girlfriend

faces six criminal counts,

all focused on a decade-long period

between 1994 and 2004.

[reporter] The prosecution case likely to hinge

on the testimony of four women.

Three of them will remain anonymous.

A fourth woman, Annie Farmer, an American,

um, has waived her anonymity.

[Maria Farmer] It was definitely Ghislaine who asked me first

about my sister Annie.

I had definitely bragged about her

to Epstein and to Ghislaine.

In 1995, I was in Palm Beach,

and I was sitting outside by the pool,

and Ghislaine was, you know, leaning on a chaise.

And she said, "Oh, it's too bad

Annie's not here with us, you know."

"It would be very nice to have her here."

They groomed me for a year. To get to my sister.

To get to my mom, to- you know. That's what they did.

The fact that we believed at the time

that she was his wife, uh, made us feel very safe.

We all believed that Annie would be safe with a married couple.

Like, why wouldn't she be?

[dramatic music]

[ticking]

[Anne McElvoy] I saw her, I think,

a couple of years after her father's death, in New York,

at a party in the early evening

in the Four Seasons Hotel.

She still had her world in London,

but she had moved her social...

Her operational base was New York.

She was in a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein by this time.

He was a very sort of active giver of parties,

and Ghislaine could fit into that life

of the Upper East Side in a heartbeat.

And I think, to her, that was an achievement.

She was making it in New York.

[Mike Maloney] Every time you went

to a high-flying, showbiz party,

or a fashion show party,

she would be there.

It's like she was the party,

because she was so glamorous, beautifully dressed.

She would be hosting whatever party it was,

even if she wasn't the hostess, and she would take over.

And she was the dominant person in that party room.

She knew everybody, and she could work a room brilliantly.

And it was a very noticeable difference

from London, the early days, to New York,

where she became queen of New York.

[Lady Victoria Hervey] Being a young model, you get invited

to a lot of dinners or events,

and a lot of the times the men are older

and want to be surrounded by models.

That's sort of how it... how it is.

I first met Ghislaine in the mid '90s.

Most of the time I'd- I'd seen her in London,

then in New York, then in LA.

For me, having a title, being who I was,

you know, that made me valuable.

I was like an asset.

She seemed to, like, thrive on introducing people

and hosting dinners.

One of the dinners I was at, you know, Bill Clinton was there.

He was the president of the United States at the time.

It was Ghislaine that had invited me to it.

It definitely showed her power

of being able to pull these people, you know,

into something that was very intimate.

And it was like, wow, OK, she's... she's good.

And I think Jeffrey just sort of stepped back

and kind of let her do it.

They were like a team. She was more social than him.

It's almost like she would bring them in,

you know, to the den,

and then he would do business with them,

and she looked like she enjoyed it.

[Leland Nally] Basically, everyone who knew Epstein said something like,

"Oh, I always knew he was into young women."

"You know, I didn't really think anything of it."

And, uh, you know, if you're talking about, like,

New York in the '80s and '90s,

like, rich billionaires being into young women

is certainly, like, not that weird, you know, by any stretch.

But almost everyone knew very specifically

that Epstein was the guy who, like,

"Oh, he likes young girls."

[Nally over recording] Hello. Is this Stuart?

-[Pivar] Yes. -[Nally] Hey. How's it going?

I'm a writer. I'm doing a story on Jeffrey Epstein.

I was- I was wondering if maybe you wanted to talk,

if you had any interactions with him or ever met him?

[Pivar] Jeffrey had no attention span whatever.

-[Nally laughs] -It was about 30 seconds.

Uh, he would inter- he would interrupt the conversation

and change it, and say things like,

"What does that got to do with pussy?"

-[Nally laughs] Really? -That was his...

Yeah, that was his favorite expression.

In other words, it was a subject changer.

And it revealed what was really in his mind.

Then, by chance, had a partner, Ghislaine,

who was a basket case.

[Nally] Right.

[Pivar] The story is more bizarre

than- than people begin to realize.

She arrived on these shores

a depressed, dysfunctional wreck,

from what happened to her on account of her father.

[Nally] Right.

[Pivar] And the last thing

that should have happened

to someone like that

is to fall into the care

of the likes of Jeffrey.

[Nally] Sure.

[Pivar] He molded her

in- into being complicit

with his aberrations.

[McElvoy] I think it was a bit of an open secret

that he was seeing other women,

but she didn't walk away from it,

and she wanted to remain in his life,

and if he was going to see other people,

then she would rather know about it

and, in a sense, have some say in it.

So I think that was

hidden in plain sight.

I was told by a very close friend of Ghislaine

that she'd been at an event in New York,

and then Ghislaine says, "Well, I've got to go now. I- you know"

"See you after the event,

'cause I've got to go and get some girls for Jeffrey."

It stuck in my mind afterwards

that she thought it was her job.

So almost like it was a duty.

And when do you stop and say, hang on,

this has gone from just a bit questionable or even seedy,

to something worse?

[Mariella Frostrup] I met her at a dinner in New York

sometime in the '90s.

It was a sort of well-heeled, Upper East Side dinner party.

She looked fantastic, and I hadn't seen her

for probably nearly a decade, maybe.

She was exactly as she'd always been.

She was incredibly friendly.

"Tell me all about you."

"What have you been doing?"

And she kept going, "So what's it like in London?"

"What's happening in London?"

And I said, "What are you doing here?"

"You know, why don't you come home?"

And she said, "Yes", she said,

"sometimes I think of coming home."

And- and then she said, "But I'm involved in this relationship,

and it's really complicated."

I said, "Why is it complicated?"

And she said, "It's just very complicated,

and I'm entangled,

and it's very difficult to extract myself."

"And I know it's not good for me,

but I don't feel like I can get out right now."

I wonder if one day the totally unacceptable

blurred with the almost acceptable,

and once she'd stepped over that line,

there was no coming back.

[Farmer] When I first met Ghislaine, she looked so elegant.

I could see why people thought she was beautiful.

And that very quickly faded when I got to know her.

I uh, was an art student in Manhattan in 1995,

when I had the unfortunate experience of uh, connecting

with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

The second time I met her, she was being very foolish,

like in a very high-school way.

We sat down to dinner, and she hands around this brown bag,

and when we reached in, there were falsies in the brown bag,

and, like, condoms and weird sex things.

And I was like, I don't wanna play this game.

So immediately I knew she was weird.

I only worked for Jeffrey and Ghislaine for a year.

I was just a student, and I didn't have any money.

I was living hand-to-mouth, starving,

and so I was stuck with them.

And I worked at the door,

and all that it entailed was sitting there

with a large white book,

and everyone that came in and out

had to be signed in.

One time Ghislaine walked over and said,

"Look at the pinhole right next to you."

And she's pointing right next to my head,

and it was very disconcerting, and so I asked Jeffrey,

and he took me in the room where all those cameras led.

And it was like the old kind of TV screens, you know,

this is 1995, so they're, like, stacked but in shelves.

And all the pictures were like private, you know,

like the restroom, or the bedroom, or the wherever.

It wasn't, like, pointed to the outside of the house

where people were coming in,

and you're watching the people walking by.

It was inside the house.

One of the most disturbing things was that Ghislaine

would have all these young teens coming and going,

and they were all girls,

and they were sometimes in school uniforms.

I asked her what they were,

and she said models for Victoria's Secret.

And after a while, I said, "They can't be models,

because they don't have breasts,

and Victoria's Secret's, like,

you know, they sell bras."

And she said, "No, no, no."

She said, "The limited corporation, Maria,

has every kind of company involved."

"They have all kinds of models

for whatever that they're selling,

so there are children that model."

It just seemed very strange.

The only person that was scouting "models" was Ghislaine.

And she was going out every day.

That was her full-time job.

I mean, that's what she told me.

Ghislaine would go and get people out of Central Park.

She would go around the time that school was ending.

And she would do this from the limousine,

and she would do this walking across to Central Park,

or walking by the schools.

She invited me into the car with her,

and I saw her jump out,

give her phone number to a girl,

who was definitely a high-school child,

and then run back with a number.

And then that child showed up, you know, as- as one of the models.

So that's how I knew, you know, she was doing it.

Sometimes there were parents with them, but very rarely.

And I remember um, a little girl walking downstairs crying,

and she was wearing a uniform, and I thought, what happened?

And Ghislaine said, "She didn't get the job."

"Some people aren't cut out for modeling."

You know, and I'm like, "Whoa. She's a kid."

And I was like, I don't like this job.

You know, I didn't know what was going on.

I just didn't like it.

The energy was really bad.

[Christina Oxenberg] One day I got a phone call

from Ghislaine Maxwell's office

asking me if I would take a meeting with Ghislaine.

I had just published a book which I called Royal Blue,

and it was a semi-autobiographical,

uh, story of my childhood.

I don't believe she read the book.

I think she read the reviews.

I go in, and she launches right into it,

and she says, "I want my Royal Blue."

"I want you to ghostwrite it."

And then she starts pitching me.

She says, "I want you to live with me for a year

and get to know everything and see everything."

"You're gonna meet everyone."

And then she finishes up with,

"I'm gonna give you a lot of money."

And I did not say anything. I don't look jubilant.

Now she changes tack completely. She starts to beg.

And she says, "Please, you have to write this book for me,

because I want Jeffrey to marry me."

She says, "I need Jeffrey to see me

in a different light."

And she says this extraordinary thing to me.

She says, "Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day,

and it's been determined by the best doctors in the world,

and I help him

'cause I cannot keep up with his libido."

She tells me that she recruits

three girls a day.

And she says, "What I do is when we're in Palm Beach,

I get in my car and I drive to the trailer parks,

and I look for Jeffrey's type,

and when I see what I'm looking for,

I approach, I make a deal,

I bring them home."

It was like you're ordering in food,

and then you order in new food the next...

It was just offensive.

I'm disgusted with her,

and so I now lose my temper, which I can do,

and I say to her, "What are you talking about?"

"Who are these girls?"

And she says to me, "They are nothing."

"They are trash."

[Farmer] She treated us like useless peasants.

That's how she spoke to people that she deemed beneath her.

And it- it was shocking. You know, I was called a nobody.

And it was so strange,

because there was a part of me

that admired them so much.

Ghislaine knocked on the door, and she was in her bathrobe,

and it wasn't even properly tied, and I felt uncomfortable.

So she started walking me down the hallway

to a room I wasn't allowed to go to.

I was told very strict rules,

not to even ever go in this one room.

It was Jeffrey's room there,

and um, I got this really bad feeling.

I walked in and I just knew.

Ghislaine instructs me to rub his feet and I'm like, you know.

And I-I was not good at it on purpose.

And Jeffrey um, said, you know, "Sit up here".

And I sat between them.

And I felt really uncomfortable, obviously,

but I thought, well, maybe it's not gonna be something bad.

You know, they're just so weird anyway.

Maybe this is part of it.

But, no, it was something bad.

And they began to assault me,

and they were both, like, doing it together.

It became like this mechanical, you know, assault.

But Ghislaine seemed to be the only- the only one enjoying it,

let me put it that way, because I was crying,

and she was, like, rubbing my tear

and wiping my hand and loving all over me.

And, um... I at some point

just kind of forced myself up

and, like, rolled up and got up

and- and just ran out of the room.

And I pushed this piece of furniture up against the door,

just waited all night,

until they left that morning around eight.

When I got home, the phone rang,

and it was Ghislaine,

and I'd been there maybe just, like, an hour.

And she said, "Hey, Maria,

um, what do you want?"

So I said, "I'm going to the police."

When I called the FBI to report it,

I made Ghislaine Maxwell's role very clear.

So they have known what role Ghislaine Maxwell played

since 1996 when I told them.

And I'm so angry,

because they allowed it to exist for 26 years.

They created most of these victims

you're hearing from today.

Almost all of them happened after my report.

I think one of the great tragedies of this story

is what happened, or, more accurately, what didn't happen

when Maria Farmer uh, was abused.

Nobody paid attention.

It was one young girl's word

against rich, powerful, connected people.

If the prosecutors had done their job

in the 1990s,

this could have been stopped, ended,

without the hundreds of young girls

who were then going to be abused over the next two decades.

Dozens, hundreds of young girls' lives could have been saved.

[Teresa Helm] When I was 22 years old,

I was in massage therapy school.

There was a girl who told me that there was someone hiring

for a position traveling the world, in a private jet,

with private chefs, as a massage therapist.

And that sounded like a wonderful opportunity.

Within a couple of weeks, I had travel arrangements

to fly to New York City from Los Angeles.

I was excited. I was a little nervous, of course.

I had a time and an address to go meet, you know, Miss Maxwell.

I walk in, and the whole place is stunning,

and I was asked to go up the stairs,

and at the top of the stairs

there's a butler standing there

with full tuxedo, with the vest and the coattail,

and he's standing there holding a silver tray.

I mean, I kind of laughed to myself a bit,

because this is not normal.

This is like movie type stuff.

A few moments later,

Miss Maxwell comes out in a white bathrobe.

She was asking me all types of questions about myself,

and we spoke about things like our birthdays,

you know, hers being the 25th of December,

mine being the 26th of the Dec- ofDecember,

and what that meant to us growing up.

I spoke about my dad to her,

and she spoke about her dad to me.

There was never a disconnect in our conversation,

and I just thought, how incredible is this?

Even though I was in this home that was beautiful,

with this educated woman, successful woman,

there was never a time

that I felt like... like I didn't belong there.

I felt like I did belong there.

I felt like I did belong with her.

I felt connected to this woman,

uh, in a sense that I didn't feel like

I was any different from her.

After the massage, she said,

"I want you to go now meet with my partner Jeffrey

for another portion of the interview."

And she says to me directly, she said,

"Make sure you give Jeffrey what he wants,

because Jeffrey always gets what he wants."

I leave Ghislaine's townhouse

with a sense of accomplishment and confidence,

and like it couldn't have gone any better.

This was going to be my future.

I walked to Jeffrey's home.

I was let in.

And Jeffrey's like, let's go to my office.

So... I'm sitting there on the couch,

and he put his foot up on my leg

and asked me for a foot massage.

I didn't know that there was going to be a massage involved,

but, nonetheless, I start working on his foot.

He's pushing his foot further and further up my leg,

to the point where it's pressing into my body

in very inappropriate ways.

So I got up,

and he's, you know, right behind me,

and he assaulted me there.

I took off down the stairs,

and I walked out the door.

I didn't look up the whole way.

It's like... every seam in the sidewalk,

I was just, like, looking at seam after seam after seam.

And I walked straight back, you know, to where I was staying.

And I-I sat in that apartment, you know,

the- the remainder of the night

until the time that the driver

was taking me back to the airport.

And as I got in the car, he... the driver said,

"Oh, we're waiting on someone else."

And, you know, this other girl gets in the car,

and she had asked me

what I had... was there for.

And she's like, "Do you think it was weird?"

And I didn't respond.

She said, "I just wanna go home".

And I didn't say a word

the entire rest of the way.

Everybody wants to talk about, well, what happened?

How did he abuse you? What did he do?

And- and it's not focused on Ghislaine.

It's focused on him.

And that frustrates me.

I was faced with the absolute betrayal

of this woman.

I felt so connected to Ghislaine

in that short amount of time in her home.

The betrayal was just so deep,

because she got me there,

she got me to the point of abuse.

She groomed me

to walk myself to the home of a predator willingly.

She was beyond

a cog in the wheel of it.

She facilitated it.

She made the network happen.

[Nally] I think the idea that, you know, Epstein and Ghislaine

were as rich and glamorous as they were,

people treat them enormously different

than uh, any other kind of person

who would do something like this.

I definitely encountered, you know, people close to him

who were always, like, finding increasingly bizarre ways

to try to rationalize, you know, Epstein's uh, behavior.

[Pivar] Jeffrey had a severe case

of what's called satyriasis,

the male counterpoint...

counterpart of nymphomania.

-[Nally] Yeah. -Which he could not control.

[Nally] What was his relationship...

[Pivar] Look, probably a lot of men have that,

for all I know,

except very few of them

have the money to, let us say,

to treat themselves to sex

three times a day with young girls.

And if there was only one of them who did it,

no one would have noticed,

except he made an industry out of it.

And why did he make an industry out of it?

Because Jeffrey was a very, very, very sick man.

[Nally] So were you ever around

for any instances of these?

[Pivar] No, I never saw him fool around...

In fact, Jeffrey was a very, very close friend of mine.

-[Nally] Yeah. -And he shielded me.

And I-I never saw what he did,

until finally I did notice certain things,

and that was the end of me having to do with him.

He never invited me to the Isle of Babes.

-[Nally] OK. -Luckily.

I never knew it was even there.

[Lisa Phillips] Pulling up on the boat to the island,

I just remember it being just really magical and so beautiful.

And it's like, "Wow, how could someone live here?"

And it felt kind of special that we were going.

And of course there was young, beautiful people there.

I just thought, you know, it's just like a getaway

and a fun place to go to.

But when we left there, it just was a place

that I never really wanted to return to.

And I just couldn't wait to get, you know, away.

[Miles Alexander] In 1998, there was a job advertised

for a management couple for an island in the Caribbean.

And then from our interviews, all the way through to the end,

there were always women around.

I'm Miles Alexander, and this is Cathy, my wife of 30-odd years.

I was employed as the island manager,

and Cathy was employed as the housekeeping manager.

[Cathy] Miss Maxwell did explain

that there would be a lot of women around.

[Miles] She used to refer to it

as the bees around the honey pot.

[laughs]

She said, "You'll see lots of bees around the honey pot,

but I'm the queen bee, always remember that."

-And we've never forgotten. -We've never forgotten that.

Shall we have a look at some photographs?

Why not? I'm going to sit this side.

[Cathy laughs]

Remember this?

Yeah, that's where we used to live.

1999, if you remember, we arrived.

That's the complex at the top,

with the master bedroom down there, the great room,

kitchen and office, and the three little buildings.

We had no real beaches, so we had to create beaches.

Then ultimately he wanted to see a view of another island.

So we started digging the mountain away,

taking the whole mountain away,

so you could see what was called Dog Island at the time.

[Cathy] There's our kitchen,

and there's me baking, probably.

Miss Maxwell as an employer was very demanding.

She basically took her pound of flesh, eh?

Yeah. We used to call her Hurricane Maxwell.

Sorry, Miss Maxwell.

She would arrive,

and all sorts of tranquility

on the island would erupt.

She used to run around fixing things,

making sure everything was perfect for Mr. Epstein.

That was the whole point of her being there,

-is to make sure Epstein had everything he ever wanted. -[Cathy] Wanted.

[Miles] We knew there were gonna be girls there,

and then one day I'm told to go to serve tea,

and I walked out to the pool with this big tray of tea,

and there's Victoria's Secret model type people

lying around with no clothes on,

'cause they didn't come down with their costumes, so...

I went back to Cathy and I said,

"It's your turn next. I'm not doing this."

They'd all be lying there with next to nothing.

Yeah, you got quite complacent about it in the end.

You know, you ask them, "What do you do?"

"I'm an estate agent." "What do you do?"

"I'm a model." "I'm a..."

-But they were just there... -"I'm a student."

-...for him, basically. -I don't know.

If he wanted to go swimming, he took the girls with him.

-They'd go off to the beach. -Yeah, off to the beach.

So they were like companions.

My name is Gretchen Rhodes.

I am a professional singer.

And I was doing massage therapy

for twenty something years.

I worked on Little St. James

from 2001 to 2006.

So this is the first time in twenty years

that I have talked about this in a public space.

And in my silence,

I was starting to feel physically sick

by not acknowledging it.

I met Miss Maxwell when she came into

the Grapevine Salon and Spa,

where I was working as a massage therapist.

She made a beeline towards me when she saw me,

and asked me if I would want

to come and do massage for her.

And I said, "We have a receptionist here."

"You can go ahead and- and ask the receptionist

to book a... an appointment for you."

And she said, "No, no, no, I don't wanna- I don't wanna do that."

"I want you to come and work for me," and handed me her card.

She never came into the spa

just looking for an amazing massage.

It was just her looking for

something... else.

Even though I said no,

she came back a couple more times

throughout the next couple weeks.

She was firmly persistent,

to put it in a very kind way.

I could say "hound,"

'cause it kind of did feel like that as well.

My feelings were saying, you know, like,

stay away, like, just go about what you're doing.

But my brain was telling me, but look at this person.

She's, you know, very well coiffed,

she's, like, put herself together very well,

she's very well mannered, she's articulate.

Why would you not want to go along

with what she's asking you to do?

When I was first picked up by this boat on St. John

to be taken to Little St. James, it felt exciting.

It's like, wow, this is so, you know,

Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

How lucky am I to be able to do this. How lovely for me.

I was told by Miss Maxwell that this is

a "speak when spoken to" situation.

Don't ask questions.

Um, if you see anything, you're gonna keep it to yourself,

or hear anything, you're gonna keep it to yourself.

And also, like, in a very, like... smile,

and this is how it's going to be.

And so, you know...

[Miles] We had a nucleus of massage therapists

from St. Thomas and St. John

that used to... we had to go and fetch and bring back.

Miss Maxwell would be the first person to test the masseuse,

to make sure that the massage that he was due to have

would be a good massage, you know, that type of thing.

[Cathy] Let me try and phrase it so you'd understand.

I think she got into a situation

where she had to find massage therapists for him,

and the younger the better.

And I got asked to find massage therapists,

and they were always too old.

So she had to go and find somebody young.

And I think, in a way, it- it felt uncomfortable

that she was looking for these young massage therapists.

She just made sure that he got his massages.

Come hell or high water, she made sure he was happy.

Miles and Cathy were the ones that called me up to do massage.

Sitting in the kitchen with them, waiting,

and then they would get the call to do massage

with Miss Maxwell or with Jeffrey.

Initially, when I first got to Little St. James,

I was massaging Miss Maxwell herself.

And that lasted for three, four months, somewhere in there.

Sometimes Miss Maxwell would have me do a tandem massage,

or teach another girl that was there

how to do massage.

And finally, when she decided

that I was... ready or fit,

or I feel like now

that I had gotten her trust,

then I was allowed to... "allowed" to,

uh, massage Jeffrey himself.

Miss Maxwell walked me down to his room for the first time

and then again explained,

whatever happens during the massage,

you keep to yourself.

The massage table was already set up. He came in.

She took off her shirt, she took off her bra,

she took off her pants.

I was trying not to look,

but it's kind of like all right here,

you know, in peripheral vision.

And then she got redressed and just left like it was nothing.

Kind of taken aback by everything.

He just lay down,

and I did a normal massage,

just a normal massage.

I don't know why I had that uneasy feeling.

Thinking like, OK, great, I've, like...

This is really easy money. Fantastic for me.

He also had this thing about

making people's dreams come true.

He said that was his thing.

He asked me, "What's your dream? What is your passion?"

And I said, "Music." He's like, "OK, great."

He's like, "I'll- I'll fly you up to New York

and I'll set you up a couple of meetings

with EMI and Universal."

On the way back down, we flew in his private jet,

with all of these scientists

that he was hosting on the island.

Miss Maxwell was on that plane.

And we were taken back to the Caribbean,

and I was made to give Jeffrey a massage

where I had to...

massage his nipples while he masturbated.

It was just, like... taken aback, you know,

like, what the fuck is happening right now?

What is happening? Just, like, just look away, like...

You know, just look away.

I just wasn't looking at his face.

I was looking, like, beyond him,

just trying to separate myself,

or to... take myself out of my body.

That was my payment for having been flown up to New York

and given these opportunities,

like such... on such a high,

and then just such a low.

It was just this constant...

kind of roller coaster, and I always asked myself,

and have asked myself for the last twenty years,

why I- why I didn't just jump off of the roller coaster.

I don't even... I don't know if I have an answer.

[thunder rumbles]

These people made the weirdest things

so normal and normalized,

and nothing was normal and...

it was all horrible and weird.

And then it wasn't, and then he was a- a charming,

kind, nice person,

and so was she.

Maybe not kind. There was never a kind look behind her eye.

It- just a charming, ever so slightly calculated one.

She led me into that situation,

knowing full well that it's not a normal situation

to put somebody else, but doing it anyway.

To me, she is the reason that I was abused.

[Miles] These allegations in the press

of women trying to escape and swim away from the island,

um, come crying to Cathy and myself in the kitchen, to say,

"Please help us, we need to get off the island."

"My passports have been stolen,

um, or taken away from us."

None of that happened.

-None of those girls ever came in crying. -None.

Um, the only person who ever cried

was somebody who came to give him a massage,

and, um... just said,

"Look, I want to go home," and that was all.

But I don't know what happened in the room.

People left the island very suddenly, yes.

There could have been women

that had been assaulted or hurt or...

We can't... I wouldn't go down that road, 'cause we weren't...

We've got no evidence whatsoever.

No, so we... But people left and came very...

-I wouldn't go into it. -So... maybe we're saying...

I wouldn't even go down that route,

'cause we can't say for sure.

I never saw anybody leave the island...

-In tears. -...in tears.

[Cathy] Where there's smoke, there's fire,

but we didn't see it,

and we weren't involved in any of it.

She was trying to please the man, at her detriment.

That's basically what she did.

She wanted to make sure he was happy.

Whether she did it illegally or whatever.

[Rhodes] It's very easy to bury one's head in the sand.

I've done it for the last twenty years of not acknowledging.

I didn't feel like I could tell anybody

because I wasn't worthy enough to tell anybody.

But I honestly think that it- it was totally conceivable

that Miles and Cathy didn't know what was happening,

because I didn't know anything

that was happening with anybody else.

Everything was kept behind closed doors.

I think that I was very lost for a long time,

and I've only just really started to deal with it all.

I've kept it all secret for twenty years.

Twenty years.

[Boies] Epstein bought this island

in the US Virgin Islands,

and he built on that island

a camp for sex trafficking.

A sex trafficking palace, if you will.

With a gold dome,

with uh, places scattered along the beach.

And there were always a lot of young girls there.

Of the slightly more

than dozen women that we represent,

about half of them probably were on the island.

It was a place where he would go,

um, to abuse young girls.

But it was also a place where he would,

um, entertain

and cultivate

rich and powerful and politically connected figures.

[Miles] We had a lot of guests that came to the island

at the invitation of Mr. Epstein,

um, whether they were industrialists,

business people, celebrity-type people,

um, royalty.

Prince Andrew was there.

He came to the island a few times.

Um, the first time was by himself,

and then twice with Miss Maxwell.

-They're all very good friends. -They were very good friends.

-You could- you could see it. -They had an absolute ball.

-They used to laugh- -Laugh.

and enjoy themselves.

[Cathy] Go swimming, go playing on the Jet Skis,

do all sorts of things.

-[Miles] Tease each other. -Yeah.

Have fun. Um...

And y'know it was loud. We could hear it.

[chuckles] Having fun.

I mean, they just enjoyed themselves.

And he was so relaxed, he'd just open the door to the kitchen,

and come in and say, "Right, what can we eat?"

It was like a home in many ways. Yeah. No, it was... He was...

I'd say their relationship was very close.

Yeah, they were really close, yeah.

[interviewer] And would- would Prince Andrew get massages as well?

I don't think so, did he?

-I can't remember. -I can't remember.

No. Honestly, I can't.

-When he was on his own, no. -No, when he was on his own, no.

I don't think he did.

-But you never know because... -We don't know what...

We weren't privy to see... to see any of...

any of the... the other side of Mr. Epstein, so...

If you wanna say it like that.

-Yeah. -I don't know how to say it.

What stays inside stays inside.

[Cathy] Yeah.

[Maloney] I saw Ghislaine with Prince Andrew

at Ascot in the royal enclosure.

I used to go to Ascot every year.

She was almost deferring to him and looking at him

as though he was the most important person there.

I called over to Ghislaine.

"Hi, Ghislaine. It's me."

Nothing. Complete blank.

She was just so focused on Prince Andrew

that nobody else mattered.

She decided that there were bigger fish in her pond

than in my little pond.

So she decided, probably, to ignore me.

I thought, mmm, that's not very nice, to be treated that way,

especially after the way that I used to look after her.

I was uh, disappointed.

[Lisa Phillips] I definitely saw that she was a powerful woman in society.

She was amongst all the celebrities

and very important people on the social scene in New York.

The first time I met Ghislaine was at a dinner party

at Jeffrey Epstein's home on the Upper East Side.

She had that little sparkle in her eye,

so your- your kind of like lesbian thing goes up,

where you're like, "Hmm..." about her.

There were tons of older men there that night,

and she was the only, like, lady among them.

I saw a lot of younger women coming and going that night,

I believe all over 18.

They were all introduced to Ghislaine

if they didn't know her,

and introduced to the other men there.

A few weeks or months later,

I was hanging out with another group of girlfriends.

We went to a party in SoHo.

Naomi Campbell was there, Woody Harrelson,

and some other celebrities.

And Ghislaine was there that night with Mick Jagger.

I said hello to Ghislaine, and she introduced me

and my girlfriends to Mick Jagger that night.

So Jeffrey is the one, a few days after,

who had called me to meet with Mick Jagger,

like he was having a dinner and that Mick had requested

that myself and some girlfriends,

the same girlfriends, would go meet him for dinner.

And I had said, "Well, what does he want?"

He was, "Well, you know..."

He said, "Oh, well, Ghislaine is gonna be there."

And he said that she was his best friend

and that he trusted her.

And I said, "Well, I don't really trust her."

"She's a little creepy."

I didn't think anything of their odd relationship,

because the modeling and acting world

has a... a... a mist of sexuality all throughout it.

When you are in that business,

you deal with those kinds of things.

After that, I started feeling,

well, I'm not really your friend, you know,

if you're pushing me to go meet with these older men.

And as you, like, witness their relationship,

and as your friends get to know them,

then you start to realize

she's a hundred percent in it

as much as he is.

So I started to think about Jeffrey

in a different way during that time,

and she was around with him a lot.

You cut off all ties.

And it was, you know, a good time to do so,

because that's when everything was unraveling

for Ghislaine and Jeffrey.

Having the woman present makes it seem like,

OK, well, nothing super bad is gonna happen to me

because she's here, you know.

I think that was a very confusing thing,

always having her there.

I don't think he could have had the same web of operation

that was going on without this, you know,

beautiful woman helping him.

[McElvoy] Looking back, and over the years,

I think there were signs that things were happening,

and it reminds me, there's a great line in uh, Edith Wharton,

in her novel, The Age of Innocence.

The main character says,

"Does nobody want to know the truth here?"

What she's shocked by is how much people will continue

and not notice things they don't want to see.

This, to me, was an equivalent.

Does nobody round here want to know the truth?

And the fact is, probably not. Not if the party is good.