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-[wood creaking]
-[dog barking in background]
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[insects chirping]
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-[door squeaking]
-[suspenseful music]
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[Mike groaning]
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[suspenseful music builds]
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[suspenseful music crescendos]
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[reporter] So strange
and in some ways incredible
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might be an understatement
for this story.
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[reporter #2] It's just always
a family legend or lore.
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[reporter #3] For decades,
they were haunted by hunches,
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[Mike] 60 years of speculation,
and we're still speculating.
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[sirens wailing]
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[bird screeching]
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[soft pensive music playing]
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[man speaking]
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Hey, guys.
What's goin' on over there?
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My name is Mike Carroll.
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You want to take a tour, guys?
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I've lived in this house
all my life, 63 years.
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This is where I grew up.
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You know, we played
uh, wiffle ball
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and all kinds of crap.
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-[dog barking in background]
-[birds chirping]
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I just wanna let you know
I'm in "Q."
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I am a "QAnon."
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I am a patriot.
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I'm a crazy bastard.
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[Mike laughing]
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For people to understand me,
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they have to wait it out,
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and they don't have
the time for it.
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[clock ticking faintly]
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Everybody around me, I know
they're talking,
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saying, "You're crazy."
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[music box softly playing]
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And I don't care because
I believe what I'm saying.
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My family would say
"He's a hoarder."
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OK, I am a collector.
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I don't believe on throwing
things out because you're gonna
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need it, like, ten years
down the road.
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That screw that doesn't go
anywhere, it has to go
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somewhere down the road, right?
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-[armchair creaks]
-[Mike groans]
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[Chris] I feel
very protective of my dad.
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Growing up, he was my hero,
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and I feel I feel like now,
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kind of the roles are
starting to reverse.
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All right, let's see
what we have.
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My father definitely
has very abstract,
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that's a good way
of putting it, beliefs.
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-[Michael] Sir?
-[Mike] Hey.
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-[Chris] Hey, what's up?
-[Michael] There he is.
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[Mike] Guys, what's up?
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[Michael]
What are you doing over here?
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[Chris]
You know, playing Scrabble.
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[Mike] Yeah, kicking ass.
I'm kicking ass, man.
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[Michael]
Listen, you better be winning.
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That's all I do is win.
I only win.
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[Michael] Me and him definitely
don't share the same beliefs,
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for the most part,
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in that area,
but love him to death.
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[Mike] All right, this bucket
has to go upstairs.
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I don't know what's in it,
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but it's got
an oxygen tank in it.
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[Michael]
Well, there is a bent...
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[Mike] Believe it
or not, it still works.
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[Chris] I've been over
his house many times
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trying to help him clean up.
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Usually, it stays that way
for, like, a couple weeks,
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and then it just kinda goes
back to its original state.
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Here we go.
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This looks like some
home videos.
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[Mike] Channel 12 --
Channel 12 camera.
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Yeah.
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Oh, cool.
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Something good.
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It's a reel-to-reels.
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[camera whirring]
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[peaceful classical music]
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[Mike]
I grew up in what I thought
was a pretty normal family.
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Two-parent home,
nice neighborhood,
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brother and sisters.
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I was the youngest of the four.
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My mom's name was Dorothy,
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but everybody called her Dottie.
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I had a sister named Jean,
a brother named Steve,
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a sister named Pat.
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She's a little complicated,
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but that's -- that's
a different story.
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And then there was Richard.
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In the beginning of my life,
I thought this guy was my dad.
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But then it came to light
that my real father
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walked out on us.
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[projector whirring]
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[ominous music]
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[lighter clicks]
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[cigarette sizzling]
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[Jean]
My brother, Mike, is seven years
younger than me.
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He doesn't remember my dad.
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I do.
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-[projector whirring]
-[tense music playing]
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I remember him around me
all the time.
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I know I was daddy's girl.
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You know, my dad was there,
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and then all of a sudden
my dad wasn't there.
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This is a picture of me
on my dad's motorcycle.
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I believe at the time
he had a Harley.
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[hinge squeaking]
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[Steve] My memories of my dad,
George Carroll,
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they, unfortunately,
they're starting to get
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a little fuzzy.
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[motorcycle revving]
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I know that he served
this country in Korea,
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and, apparently,
he loved his kids.
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I do not remember my father
actually leaving.
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[cars whooshing]
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So there wasn't, like,
this very distinct moment.
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[Jean] My mother would say to us
that Dad went out to the store
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to get a pack of cigarettes,
and he never came back.
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He kind of disappeared off
the face of the earth
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all of a sudden, and nobody
really knew where he went.
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[Mike] Over the years, there
were many rumors, many rumors,
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and many discussions about,
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"Ah, what happened
to Dad," you know?
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[Steve]
We would talk to people.
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Then they would give us
their theory, and they'd say,
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"Well, maybe he was involved
with organized crime."
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He could've met a woman
in Korea, when he was in Korea
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and decided to go back.
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-[suspenseful music builds]
-[clock ticking faintly]
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[Mike] Some people
that knew my dad, said,
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"He's a bit of a troubled guy."
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[projector whirring]
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My mother made it very
abundantly clear how she felt.
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And she said,
"Don't even think about him,
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he was not a good guy."
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[Mike] In my mind, he obviously
didn't love us anymore.
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And he loved whatever
he left us for more.
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In the '60s, '70s,
most women didn't work.
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So for my mother, when my dad
left, how was she gonna
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survive through that time
with no income coming in?
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My mom had to do
what she had to do.
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And um, and that's how
the relationship between
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my mother
and Mr. Darress developed.
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[Mike] Richard was just a guy
from the neighborhood.
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He was nobody.
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I think it was convenient.
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The guy wasn't ugly,
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and he had arms and legs,
and he could work.
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My mom said, "I'll take him."
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He moved in.
He became my dad.
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[camera snapping]
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[Steve] It seemed like it was
almost seamless.
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He basically...
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replaced my father.
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[projector whirring]
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[Mike] I'd like to say he was
a good guy, but I can't say it.
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He was mean.
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[chokes back sob]
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[sniffs]
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[faint crying]
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You guys can keep talking.
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I don't want to cry
on this thing.
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[projector whirring]
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As a kid, I -- I just said
to myself, I'm like,
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"Boy, I really hope
that my dad comes back.
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I think it was it would be like
the best day of my life."
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[projector whirring]
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But I know I wasn't gonna
get what I wanted.
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The guy left us.
We're done.
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He's done.
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After a while, you say,
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"I just gotta move on."
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[rock music playing]
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[Mike] I had a paper route
when I was a kid.
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It was my first real job.
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It was pretty cool.
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You know, you got recognition
for being a paperboy.
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I knew all the streets.
I knew people.
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And there were certain houses
in the neighborhood
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that actually stuck out
because they were really nice.
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One of them was
this yellow house.
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It had a pool with white fence
and a big, big frickin' yard.
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It was a very pretty yard.
It -- it stuck out, OK?
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[projector whirring]
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I said, "They got money."
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Mr. Yagel, who owned
that house,
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he gave the worst tips, man.
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One day, when I was older,
the big picture window
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in the living room, and I was
sitting in the window.
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[rocking chair creaks]
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And I look out the window,
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and you won't believe
what I see.
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I see Mr. Yagel walking up
the sidewalk.
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And I'm like,
"What's he doing here?
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He's one of
my paper route guys."
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He comes up the sidewalks,
and he knocks on the door,
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and my mother answers the door.
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And like, "What the heck's
that all about?"
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I've never seen the guy
ever leave his house.
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But he left his house that day
to hand my mother a box.
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[fan blades whirring softly]
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I'm, like, looking
through the window,
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and there's my mom
taking the box.
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And they talk
for a couple minutes.
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[projector whirring]
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There was anger.
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She comes in.
I said, "What's that?
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Why was he here?"
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She said,
"That's your father's stuff."
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[ominous music playing]
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There was, like, bonds from,
like, a really long time ago.
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And then, that's when
the questions came,
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like, you know, "Mom, why would
he have anything of Dad's?"
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"Why would my father's stuff
be with him?"
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[projector whirring]
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She just kind of downplayed it,
like, and she said,
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"He was married
to your dad's mother."
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[projector whirring]
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And she died.
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[projector whirring]
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It was like something
that just, like, punches you
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in your nose.
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I collected from
that house for years.
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And my grandmother was there?
And she never said hello?
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Why didn't my mother say,
"You know, you got the Yagels
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on your route?
Guess who that is?"
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That would've been nice, right?
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[projector whirring]
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And I said to myself,
"What happened here?"
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Like, you know,
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something happened to Dad.
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There's something drastically
wrong with this story.
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And -- and somebody's lying.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[dogs barking]
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[projector whirring]
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[Steve] When we were young,
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everything my mother
said was gospel.
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So, once she said
that he left, he left.
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[projector whirring]
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And that's all I believed
for a long time.
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But there was a point
where we started to think,
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"Where did he go?
Where is he?"
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[Mike] Now I'm getting
older, and we're starting
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to ask better questions,
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and they're getting
harder to answer.
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As time went on, little bits
and pieces were coming up.
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There was no police report.
Nobody reported him missing.
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[Steve] He left,
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but the car was there,
and his wallet was there.
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And then later on,
we found out
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he never picked up
his last paycheck.
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I think everybody thought
that that was strange.
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[Mike] I would often ask my mom,
"Where is Dad?
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Where's my dad?"
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00:14:18,734 --> 00:14:20,767
And I always got a weird
response, weird look.
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One time, she even
yelled at me.
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I'm like -- like this is crazy,
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and I don't want any part of it.
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So, you know, I started thinking
about maybe moving on,
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gettin' out of here.
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[rocking chair squeaking]
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[young Mike]
There he is.
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[Mike]
I graduated at 18.
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I was the first person
to go to college
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in this family.
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00:14:47,767 --> 00:14:49,066
I ended up being
a respiratory therapist,
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working critical care.
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Now I'm making money.
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I was living my life.
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Around that time, my mother
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and Mr. Darress got a divorce.
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He was cheating.
275
00:15:06,367 --> 00:15:07,667
She took a suitcase
and threw it out the front door.
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00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,200
That was a good day.
It was a good day.
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[Jean]
After Mr. Darress had left,
it was a whole different scene.
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Everybody was free.
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I'm the queen
of this place.
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-Stay there.
-[Jean] My mother was different.
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She was like a person
that just came out.
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[Dorothy laughing]
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-I had a wonderful time.
-Oh, I don't want to go home.
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[Jean]
She, you know, would open up
more and get the fun
285
00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:40,867
back in again, and that's when
the skit nights were starting.
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00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:44,100
Skit night's frickin'
awesome, man.
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00:15:44,667 --> 00:15:45,100
It started in this --
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This room, this was
a four-car garage.
289
00:15:48,233 --> 00:15:49,367
It was a frickin' auditorium
with seats and shit.
290
00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:50,467
[laughter]
291
00:15:51,166 --> 00:15:52,567
[young Mike] Let me come back.
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My mom, she was
the queen of the night
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because she was
a frustrated actress.
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-[laughter]
-[vocalizations]
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[Steve]
I have very little to say
that's not
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putting her on a pedestal.
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00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:06,800
[all laughing]
298
00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:10,266
[Dorothy]
Eins, zwei, drei.
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00:16:11,367 --> 00:16:13,100
When I first met the Carrolls,
Dottie was having one
300
00:16:13,633 --> 00:16:14,400
of her skit nights.
301
00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,000
It was a lot of fun,
302
00:16:18,033 --> 00:16:20,000
but I wouldn't participate
'cause I was too shy.
303
00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,166
-[Dorothy speaking]
-[all laughing]
304
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,200
[Mike]
And then, next thing you know...
305
00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:28,066
[organ music playing]
306
00:16:28,934 --> 00:16:31,867
[Debbi]
We got married July 23rd, 1989.
307
00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:37,166
I got pregnant three months
after we got married.
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00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000
โช Ave Maria โช
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00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,400
[Mike] I looked at my kids
in the hospital.
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I'm like, "Wow, like, I can't
believe this is happening."
311
00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:51,100
โช Gratia plena โช
312
00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:53,567
They're innocent,
beautiful little children,
313
00:16:54,066 --> 00:16:54,900
and they're mine.
314
00:16:55,734 --> 00:16:57,800
["Ave Marie" continues
in background]
315
00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:58,867
And that was life.
316
00:16:59,633 --> 00:17:00,667
It was just, like,
totally cool.
317
00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:03,000
-["Ave Maria" playing]
-[Mike] There ain't
[indistinct] country
318
00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:06,100
Time's up!
319
00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:08,900
[Mike] And then I learned
that my mom was struggling.
320
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,667
-[man] C'mon in Gary, time's up.
321
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,100
She was having a hard time,
you know, paying the cable
322
00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:15,667
and, you know, the little stuff
that goes on.
323
00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:16,900
'Cause I think she thought
she was gonna
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00:17:17,734 --> 00:17:18,200
lose the house.
-[Dorothy] Thank you.
325
00:17:18,934 --> 00:17:20,000
Give me a hug.
Come on, up, up.
326
00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:21,900
[Chris] She wanted
to stay in that house.
327
00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,166
She was there
for 50 years or so.
328
00:17:26,066 --> 00:17:27,767
She was very, very attached
to the home.
329
00:17:28,834 --> 00:17:30,667
[Mike]
Listen, mom, I'm working now.
330
00:17:31,834 --> 00:17:32,667
I can buy your house from you,
and you don't have to pay
331
00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:34,000
another bill for the rest
of your life.
332
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,867
We moved into the upstairs.
She was downstairs.
333
00:17:40,834 --> 00:17:41,066
[Debbi]
The other way Mikey,
the other way.
334
00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:42,567
[Mike] It was tough.
It was not easy.
335
00:17:45,767 --> 00:17:49,467
One day, Debbi told me
she was unhappy.
336
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:51,700
And I said, "I can't
make you happy."
337
00:17:53,967 --> 00:17:55,567
I was divorced in '95.
338
00:17:58,367 --> 00:17:59,667
Not long after that,
339
00:18:00,767 --> 00:18:02,266
we found out my mom had cancer.
340
00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:04,400
[somber music playing]
341
00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:10,100
Well, she begged me, "Do not
let me die in the hospital."
342
00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:12,166
I'm like, "All right,
I'll make it happen."
343
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,667
[all singing]
Happy birthday to you.
344
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,467
[cheering and clapping]
345
00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:21,400
[Mike]
When she was sick,
346
00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:23,567
but my dad was always
something on her mind.
347
00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:25,200
[projector whirring]
348
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,967
On her deathbed,
I asked her,
349
00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:32,266
"Mom, can you tell me
anything about Dad?
350
00:18:33,367 --> 00:18:35,900
Can you tell me anything about
Dad before you leave?"
351
00:18:41,266 --> 00:18:44,200
April 17th, I remember, 1998.
352
00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:50,767
My mother literally
turned her head...
353
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,100
winked at me...
354
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,767
never said a word,
and then passed away.
355
00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:07,400
Whatever secret she had,
356
00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:09,066
she went to her grave with that.
357
00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:15,367
[exhales heavily]
358
00:19:25,467 --> 00:19:26,700
[Mike groans]
359
00:19:39,166 --> 00:19:42,667
[Chris] When she passed away,
it just kind of devastated him.
360
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,867
[pills clinking]
361
00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:51,266
That's when he kind of started
with the hoarding and stuff.
362
00:19:56,367 --> 00:19:58,667
[Mike] All right, so we got
a lot of stuff in here.
363
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,667
Oh, let's see.
364
00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:05,367
Now, this is a peanut jar
my mom had.
365
00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:08,367
It's like, really -- like, it's
like 100 years old.
366
00:20:09,066 --> 00:20:09,600
It still has the peanuts in it.
367
00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:19,700
After my mom passed away,
368
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,000
I figured finding
my dad was over.
369
00:20:26,066 --> 00:20:27,166
I had to let it go.
370
00:20:31,266 --> 00:20:33,100
Until couple of years later,
371
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,266
I got called into work around
3 o'clock in the morning.
372
00:20:42,767 --> 00:20:44,000
3 o'clock in the morning is,
kind of like,
373
00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:45,367
the beginning
of the witching hour.
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00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:48,000
I don't know if you know what
I'm talking about, but 3, 4,
375
00:20:49,066 --> 00:20:50,500
5 in the morning, you start
to get a little weird.
376
00:20:50,934 --> 00:20:52,000
[sirens wailing]
377
00:20:53,567 --> 00:20:55,467
I go down
to the emergency room.
378
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,667
-[tense music playing]
-[footsteps tapping]
379
00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:02,400
And they said, "Can you get
a blood gas on bed 3?"
380
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,700
I'm like, "Yeah, sure."
381
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,900
So I go to bed 3.
382
00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:09,367
And I have to check the armband
before I do the blood
383
00:21:10,233 --> 00:21:11,100
to make sure you got
the right patient.
384
00:21:12,567 --> 00:21:14,767
I check his band and it says
"Yagel" on it.
385
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:16,066
And I'm like,
"Something hits the button."
386
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:17,166
I'm like, "Whoa."
387
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,967
[tape rewinding]
388
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:20,100
[projector whirring]
389
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,266
That's the same name as the guy
that brought the box
390
00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:25,867
to my mother's house
with my dad's stuff in it.
391
00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:29,600
I'm like, "What the heck's
going on?"
392
00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,767
So I go, "Did you live
around 'konkoma?"
393
00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:35,367
He goes, "No, my parents did."
394
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,767
[projector whirring]
395
00:21:38,867 --> 00:21:40,266
[Mike]
I said, "Well, I think I
was your paper boy."
396
00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:42,567
And he's like, "Really?"
397
00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:44,667
And he goes,
"What's your name?"
398
00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:45,667
I said, "Mike Carroll."
399
00:21:46,533 --> 00:21:47,367
And the guy looked
at me like, "What?"
400
00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:50,900
He started flipping out.
401
00:21:51,934 --> 00:21:54,266
He was like, "Oh my gosh,
I can't believe this.
402
00:21:54,834 --> 00:21:55,767
I'm your dad's brother."
403
00:21:57,166 --> 00:21:58,667
Like, what the hell?
404
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:00,100
I didn't even know
he had a brother.
405
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,100
And I said,
"Tell me about my dad."
406
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:07,500
And he goes, "He would have
never left four kids."
407
00:22:10,367 --> 00:22:14,166
We have suspicion that
something weird happened.
408
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:16,500
He said there was construction
being done at the time,
409
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,500
and we believe because
that the opportunity was there
410
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,266
that he was actually buried
under your house.
411
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,500
[suspenseful chord strike]
412
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,767
[Mike]
What's the chance of me getting
called to the emergency room
413
00:22:35,934 --> 00:22:37,600
at that time in the morning
to take blood from somebody
414
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,500
and it winds up being
my dad's brother?
415
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,000
It's unbelievable.
416
00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:45,266
-All of a sudden...
-[clock ticking]
417
00:22:46,033 --> 00:22:46,667
-[machine beeping]
-[IV dripping]
418
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,800
I realized why we were
estranged from my dad's family.
419
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:52,867
[projector whirring]
420
00:22:54,467 --> 00:22:55,967
But then he starts talking
about my mother.
421
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,467
He got negative on my mother,
422
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,600
and that's when I decided
to shut the conversation down.
423
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,867
[Jean] Mike didn't -- didn't
like him from that moment on.
424
00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:09,667
He didn't want to hear nothing,
didn't want to know nothing.
425
00:23:10,467 --> 00:23:11,300
-[insects chirping]
-[soft thuds]
426
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,667
When you say anything about...
427
00:23:13,667 --> 00:23:14,767
his mother.
428
00:23:15,667 --> 00:23:16,767
He's not gonna like you.
429
00:23:18,367 --> 00:23:19,767
That's the way
my brother Mike is.
430
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:21,000
And, well, I am too.
431
00:23:25,467 --> 00:23:27,700
[objects thudding]
432
00:23:28,934 --> 00:23:30,200
[Jean]
Mike didn't do anything
for a long time after that.
433
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:33,066
He just kind of handed
it over to me.
434
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,367
[log clattering]
435
00:23:41,467 --> 00:23:44,300
[Jean]
All my life I was a little girl
436
00:23:44,834 --> 00:23:45,667
looking for my dad.
437
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,467
I was 17 years old
when I left the house.
438
00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:54,900
I had to get away from it.
439
00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,166
My sister left even earlier
than me.
440
00:24:04,767 --> 00:24:07,367
I often wondered what it
would have been like
441
00:24:08,033 --> 00:24:09,300
if my dad was still around.
442
00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:15,400
Deep down inside,
I was the detective.
443
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,900
I was the investigator.
444
00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:22,100
I was gonna find this man,
445
00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:24,667
and nothing was gonna stop me.
446
00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:34,166
I wanted more information.
447
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,600
That's when I asked Mike
to come to the psychic with me.
448
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:47,600
I consider a medium
my telephone call to my mom.
449
00:24:48,734 --> 00:24:51,467
I wanted to know if he was able
to give us anything more
450
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,900
that we didn't know.
451
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,400
Some new fact
or some new evidence.
452
00:24:59,934 --> 00:25:00,467
[cashier] Hey, Mike.
453
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:02,100
[Mike] How you doing?
How's it going?
454
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,166
So after the Yagel thing,
my sister asked me if I'd like
455
00:25:08,934 --> 00:25:09,467
to come to the psychic
with her.
456
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,700
And I said,
457
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,567
"Yeah, but you know,
I don't know."
458
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,166
-[cashier] Thank you very much
-[Mike] I'll talk to you soon.
459
00:25:15,967 --> 00:25:16,567
-All right.
-Stay out of trouble.
460
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:20,200
When Jean started to see
psychics and look
461
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,867
into psychics, OK, it wasn't
a popular thing with us.
462
00:25:24,633 --> 00:25:25,567
No, I don't believe
in psychics.
463
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,166
I thought she was wasting
her money
464
00:25:27,867 --> 00:25:28,667
when she went to the psychics.
465
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,767
I'm not supposed to like them
because I'm a Christian.
466
00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:33,567
I don't really like
the word "psychics"
467
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:34,967
because they could be anybody.
468
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,200
They're more scammers
than anything.
469
00:25:38,367 --> 00:25:41,200
-I'd rather talk to a medium.
-I think it's interesting.
470
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,300
I don't personally believe
that it's possible.
471
00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:50,266
Jean probably pled
with him and said, you know,
472
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,400
"Please go with me."
473
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,066
[Mike] I have to admit
that psychics are intriguing.
474
00:25:56,867 --> 00:25:58,100
And Jean's,
you know, passionate.
475
00:25:59,066 --> 00:26:01,300
So, I said,
"Sure, I'll go to the psychic."
476
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:03,266
And then, that's when we went
to Revered Heil.
477
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:14,567
I was expecting nothing.
478
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,500
She did a full hour,
479
00:26:20,467 --> 00:26:22,100
and we thought we were
gonna talk to my mom.
480
00:26:23,867 --> 00:26:25,100
And she didn't come through.
481
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,667
Like, she was being
stubborn, you know.
482
00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:29,567
But there was a lot
of discussion about
483
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,867
Jean's daughter having a kid,
blah, blah, blah,
484
00:26:33,367 --> 00:26:34,867
for a whole hour.
485
00:26:35,967 --> 00:26:38,300
And I said to myself,
"This is bull crap," you know.
486
00:26:38,934 --> 00:26:40,266
"This is a bunch of crap."
487
00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,667
So the lady looks
at me and goes,
488
00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:43,767
"Did you like the reading?"
489
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,100
And I go, "No."
490
00:26:46,166 --> 00:26:47,867
She goes, "Why?"
491
00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:49,400
"'Cause I just I wanna know
where my dad is."
492
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,100
She goes, "Oh."
493
00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:57,567
When it comes to the "M" word,
you normally don't say anything
494
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,100
until you give me
the permission to do it.
495
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:02,000
I said, "What's the 'M' word?"
She goes, "Murder."
496
00:27:02,633 --> 00:27:04,000
[suspenseful chord strike]
497
00:27:06,367 --> 00:27:07,467
[Mike] Wow.
498
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,300
I go, "OK.
Now you got my attention."
499
00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:13,166
She goes, "I'll give
you another hour for free."
500
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,400
I said, "So, where is he?"
501
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,400
And she said,
"He is in the basement."
502
00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:30,800
She goes, "He's down
to the left, to the rear,
503
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:33,867
underneath the target."
504
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,600
I went, "Holy shit!"
505
00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:41,000
I didn't know what she meant
by the target,
506
00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:44,100
but Mike understood
what she was talking about.
507
00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:46,967
[Mike] I realized when I was
four years old,
508
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:49,000
there was a gun range
in my basement.
509
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,166
There was a target for shooting
bullets down there, pellets.
510
00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,066
The target was on the wall.
511
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600
[Mike]
It was taken out of there,
like when I was very young.
512
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:10,667
So she knew something that was
like 55, 60 years ago,
513
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:12,900
that nobody knew about,
and that was impressive.
514
00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:20,467
And then, of course, I asked,
515
00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:22,567
"So who did it?"
516
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,400
[projector whirring]
517
00:28:25,967 --> 00:28:27,066
And she said,
518
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,100
"Richard."
519
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,300
[Steve huffing]
520
00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:45,166
[grunting]
521
00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:52,867
It was late at night.
I received a call from Mike.
522
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,300
[phone ringing]
523
00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:57,467
[groans with exertion]
524
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,767
[Steve] And he said,
"Are you sitting down?"
525
00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:03,200
and he recounted
the whole session.
526
00:29:04,433 --> 00:29:06,000
[Mike, over phone]
He says "And I'll tell you
one thing..."
527
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,266
[Steve] It was incredible
what she said.
528
00:29:09,066 --> 00:29:11,800
She named things,
described things
529
00:29:12,367 --> 00:29:13,867
that I knew were true.
530
00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:22,166
But I was skeptical because
it's my nature not to deal
531
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:25,967
with stuff I can't see
and touch, you know?
532
00:29:26,867 --> 00:29:29,266
And uh, yeah,
I was worried about Richie
533
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,667
because I didn't want
to have to even say
534
00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:33,100
that I thought it was
his father.
535
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,500
I didn't even want to go there.
536
00:29:37,867 --> 00:29:40,567
When I was 10 years old,
my mom had my brother, Richie.
537
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:44,567
My name is Rich Darress.
538
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,567
Come on.
539
00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:46,667
[grunting]
540
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:48,900
I got you, buddy.
I got you.
541
00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:51,367
I got you.
542
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,567
I am the half-brother of Jean,
Pat, Steve, and Mike Carroll.
543
00:29:56,633 --> 00:29:58,166
I'm kind of an outsider
a little bit.
544
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,266
You know, I feel like
I'm the Darress sometimes.
545
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:03,367
I'm not a Carroll.
546
00:30:04,433 --> 00:30:06,867
I don't feel like I'm part
of the Carrolls so much.
547
00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:08,300
They don't want
to tell me anything,
548
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,967
so I find out things much later.
549
00:30:12,266 --> 00:30:15,066
[Mike]
Nobody saw Richie differently.
550
00:30:15,767 --> 00:30:17,467
The only thing is that he does
551
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,567
carry a little defense
about his father.
552
00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:27,467
[Richard] When they come back
from the psychic and say,
553
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,100
"The psychic said
our father was murdered
554
00:30:31,066 --> 00:30:33,000
and it was by a Richard."
I'm a Richard Jr.
555
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400
I have a Richard Sr.
as my father.
556
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,867
So they're
insinuating right there
557
00:30:37,767 --> 00:30:40,000
that my father has
murdered their father.
558
00:30:41,367 --> 00:30:44,266
Having my four siblings think
that my father did that,
559
00:30:45,767 --> 00:30:46,800
that's horrible.
560
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,166
That's a big, you know, an
animal to take on at that point.
561
00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:56,367
Is it possible?
Sure, it is.
562
00:30:58,467 --> 00:30:59,700
Is it likely?
563
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,166
Probably not.
564
00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:10,400
[all cheering]
565
00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,200
[Jean] Richie and Steve,
they didn't believe in mediums.
566
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:17,400
They just felt that
they were frauds, scams.
567
00:31:18,066 --> 00:31:18,467
"You're gonna believe them?"
568
00:31:19,266 --> 00:31:20,667
-[ducks quacking]
-[car whooshing]
569
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,066
[ducks quacking]
570
00:31:25,767 --> 00:31:29,567
[Jean] But I remember things
that they didn't understand
571
00:31:30,767 --> 00:31:31,867
because I was older.
572
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,867
Before my father went missing,
573
00:31:44,934 --> 00:31:50,100
I was, I would say,
around seven, eight years old.
574
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,500
I remember getting up
one morning,
575
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,867
getting dressed to go to school,
576
00:31:55,367 --> 00:32:01,266
and I saw this man sleeping
on the couch in the living room.
577
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:04,367
I didn't know who he was.
578
00:32:05,433 --> 00:32:07,867
And the next day,
it was told to me
579
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:11,100
that his name
was Richard Darress.
580
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
He had just gotten out of jail.
581
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:18,166
And my dad said, "Come home
with me, and I'll give you
582
00:32:18,734 --> 00:32:19,867
"a place to sleep until,
583
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,700
you know, you can get
on your own."
584
00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:31,467
[Richard] I never knew my father
and George Carroll
585
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,266
knew each other
586
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:34,567
until much later in life.
587
00:32:36,967 --> 00:32:38,266
I'm in my 20s,
and I called him.
588
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,467
I said, "When were you
gonna tell me this?"
589
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,567
And he told me the whole story.
590
00:32:46,066 --> 00:32:50,200
The version I've heard is that
my father, he was a teenager,
591
00:32:51,233 --> 00:32:52,800
and for whatever reason,
he stole some equipment,
592
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,166
ham radio equipment, you know,
593
00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:57,166
from the federal government.
Stupid move.
594
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,467
He went to prison
for a year and a half.
595
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:02,667
Does his time.
596
00:33:04,867 --> 00:33:08,400
I was told that his parents
were embarrassed.
597
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,467
"You can't live
with us anymore."
598
00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:13,800
So he went to a bar one day
with all his woes.
599
00:33:14,934 --> 00:33:16,800
And he's sitting at the bar,
talking to a guy, saying,
600
00:33:18,033 --> 00:33:20,266
"Hey, I need a place to stay."
And that guy he was talking to
601
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,367
said, "Hey, I'm doing
construction on my house.
602
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,867
If you help me build the house,
you can sleep on the couch."
603
00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:31,467
That person he was talking
to was George Carroll.
604
00:33:36,667 --> 00:33:40,867
They were working on putting
another extension,
605
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,700
a dormer,
606
00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:45,500
onto the house.
607
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,200
He's in the house.
608
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,266
He's living in the house,
working at the house
609
00:33:50,934 --> 00:33:51,700
when my father disappeared.
610
00:33:54,667 --> 00:33:56,967
[Mike]
Somewhere along the line, my mom
611
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,467
starts talking to him,
he starts talking to her,
612
00:34:01,233 --> 00:34:02,066
and somehow
something blossomed.
613
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:05,667
[Richard] You don't know
the order of operation.
614
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,667
Did they have an affair?
There's no facts there.
615
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,300
Maybe she fell out of love
with my father,
616
00:34:11,934 --> 00:34:13,467
fell in love with Darress.
617
00:34:14,266 --> 00:34:15,200
You know, it kind
of makes sense.
618
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:20,166
You know, Darress was there.
He was the common denominator.
619
00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:23,266
[Richard]
Just the fact that my father
was there working on the house
620
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,367
and sleeping on the couch does
not mean he has anything to do
621
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
with George going missing.
622
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:34,200
These are a box of
photos from my dad.
623
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,867
He was a photographer
for a local county newspaper.
624
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:45,166
I loved my father.
625
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:48,166
I learned a lot from him.
626
00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:51,667
This is me and my mom.
627
00:34:52,467 --> 00:34:53,767
It says
I'm three months old here.
628
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:54,900
It's a wild picture.
629
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:03,667
Yeah, this is a -- the summer
vacation cabin
630
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:05,300
we used to go to.
631
00:35:06,433 --> 00:35:08,767
A lot of good times with
my family, my father, my mother.
632
00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:14,567
[Jean]
When I look at this picture,
633
00:35:16,266 --> 00:35:19,400
it takes me to a dark time.
634
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,700
I felt very, very uncomfortable
635
00:35:25,233 --> 00:35:26,600
of all the pictures
636
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:28,767
that he would take.
637
00:35:29,867 --> 00:35:31,700
I'm looking...
638
00:35:32,367 --> 00:35:34,600
at my brother Steve's face,
639
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,867
Mike's face,
640
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,300
I actually...
641
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,266
feel...disturbance
642
00:35:45,567 --> 00:35:47,367
inside me.
643
00:35:48,033 --> 00:35:49,300
I feel that that was like...
644
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
it was disturbance.
I could see it on their face.
645
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,567
[Mike] My sister Jean,
646
00:35:58,467 --> 00:35:59,600
I said, "She's going crazy."
647
00:36:03,767 --> 00:36:05,867
That's when I made the decision
to start doing it.
648
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,867
I didn't do it for the family.
I didn't do it for me.
649
00:36:12,367 --> 00:36:13,000
I did it for Jean.
650
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,100
I said, "I'm gonna go
find him.
651
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,300
I'm gonna dig."
652
00:36:27,266 --> 00:36:29,166
[Mike] People at my job,
they looked at me like,
653
00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:31,867
"You're crazy."
My family, "You're crazy."
654
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,667
The only person that was
with me was Jean.
655
00:36:37,867 --> 00:36:39,967
Just about everything
I do in my life
656
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:41,567
has always been questioned.
657
00:36:45,266 --> 00:36:46,400
And you know
what the bottom line is?
658
00:36:47,467 --> 00:36:48,667
I always win.
659
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,000
I started digging and sifting
the dirt into a garbage can
660
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:59,100
and looking for bones
on a screen to see
661
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:00,567
if there was anything
like a bone.
662
00:37:04,967 --> 00:37:08,066
All I had to do was find one
bone, and that job was over.
663
00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:12,266
I was digging for like
a year and a half.
664
00:37:14,266 --> 00:37:16,600
Nobody else helped.
Nobody else offered to help.
665
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,166
I couldn't give it up.
I couldn't stop.
666
00:37:21,667 --> 00:37:24,667
One day, I go to his house,
and there's a six-foot
667
00:37:25,367 --> 00:37:26,667
pile of dirt
in the basement.
668
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,900
He was actually starting to cut
through the foundation,
669
00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:32,100
the house was gonna cave in.
670
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,367
Oh, my God.
671
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:37,166
"You gotta stop doing
this, Mike.
672
00:37:37,867 --> 00:37:39,700
You're gonna wreck your house."
673
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,166
[Mike] I had to stop.
674
00:37:49,567 --> 00:37:51,266
I didn't find anything,
675
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,867
and it was
very disappointing to me.
676
00:37:54,633 --> 00:37:55,367
I really wanted
to find something.
677
00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:00,100
[mouse clicking]
678
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:03,066
[faint indistinct voices
from computer]
679
00:38:07,166 --> 00:38:10,367
[Chris]
I felt bad for my dad 'cause
he spent a lot of time talking
680
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,100
about it, and then he doesn't
find what he was looking for.
681
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,166
And I think it kind of took
a little bit of a toll on him.
682
00:38:20,867 --> 00:38:22,700
I think he started to become
a little bit,
683
00:38:23,967 --> 00:38:25,066
I guess, like, depressed.
684
00:38:26,233 --> 00:38:28,667
[indistinct voices continue
from computer]
685
00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:39,100
[Chris] On top of it,
me and my brother,
686
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,767
we went away to college, so...
687
00:38:42,767 --> 00:38:45,567
I feel like, in a way,
he kind of felt a little
688
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,667
abandoned by us.
689
00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:50,400
[cabinet clicks]
690
00:38:51,533 --> 00:38:53,500
[Chris]
My dad gradually started
to just stop caring
691
00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:54,800
about the house as much.
692
00:38:55,633 --> 00:38:56,266
And, you know, there would
be a leak.
693
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:57,500
He doesn't care.
694
00:38:58,734 --> 00:39:00,066
It's just dripping
into a garbage pail
in the living room.
695
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,900
At the time, we had many
conversations with my dad,
696
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,800
my brother and I,
697
00:39:07,433 --> 00:39:07,967
about potentially moving.
698
00:39:11,667 --> 00:39:14,567
[Chris] He told me that he will
never leave that house
699
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,867
unless he found if his dad
was in that basement.
700
00:39:18,433 --> 00:39:19,567
[CPAP machine whirring]
701
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,467
[Mike] I think down deep inside,
I had a mission.
702
00:39:26,367 --> 00:39:28,266
And I wasn't gonna leave
here until I tried.
703
00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:31,166
[baby babbling]
704
00:39:31,734 --> 00:39:32,900
[faint noise from TV]
705
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,166
[Chris]
If I was going to get my dad
to move out of that house,
706
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,800
I knew that I was
gonna have to dig.
707
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,166
The problem was we didn't know
where to dig.
708
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,000
I started googling ground
penetrating radar companies.
709
00:39:52,467 --> 00:39:54,266
Ground penetrating radar
is usually used
710
00:39:55,233 --> 00:39:57,967
in commercial applications
to find electrical
711
00:39:58,867 --> 00:39:59,967
and plumbing pipes
underneath the ground.
712
00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:03,467
So I thought, if it could pick
up those kind of things,
713
00:40:04,667 --> 00:40:06,000
maybe it could pick up a body.
714
00:40:11,767 --> 00:40:14,467
The real obstacle was
my dad's basement.
715
00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:15,567
So full of stuff.
716
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,300
Dumbbells, barbells,
weightlifting equipment.
717
00:40:20,767 --> 00:40:22,600
[metal scraping]
718
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,066
[Chris]
All of that stuff had to come
all the way out of his basement
719
00:40:26,734 --> 00:40:28,300
to be able to use the radar.
720
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,567
All my nieces and nephews
were there, handing stuff
721
00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:31,967
from the basement to the yard.
722
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,367
[hinge creaking]
723
00:40:34,567 --> 00:40:35,667
It took the whole day.
724
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:41,266
I was so happy because I knew
now we're gonna get going.
725
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,100
[radar beeping]
726
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,166
The radar team is two men.
727
00:40:50,266 --> 00:40:51,367
Took them several hours.
728
00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:55,900
I was kind of expecting there
to just be nothing.
729
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:57,467
And it's like, OK,
there's nothing
730
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:58,700
under the floor.
731
00:40:59,533 --> 00:41:00,266
Like, now we gotta
move on from this.
732
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,100
[radar bleeping softly]
733
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:11,567
Eventually, they call us down
to the basement.
734
00:41:13,967 --> 00:41:16,767
Walk down the stairs,
you see big squares.
735
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,166
It's more like
a five-by-five foot square.
736
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400
[Chris] There was
a disturbance in the ground.
737
00:41:27,467 --> 00:41:29,400
The perfect size for there
to be a body under there.
738
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:32,700
Oh, my God,
they have something.
739
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,767
There's an anomaly here,
and this could all be true.
740
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,500
All that was left to do
now was to do the digging.
741
00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:42,667
[sirens wailing in distance]
742
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:46,667
-[sirens wailing]
-[ambulance rumbling]
743
00:41:51,166 --> 00:41:53,166
[Mike] But then, um,
I had a stroke.
744
00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:58,567
-[muffled dinging]
-[labored breathing]
745
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,300
[Chris]
I'm used to seeing my dad
as being a strong guy.
746
00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:13,266
He was a little bit messed up.
He couldn't really walk good.
747
00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:19,300
I realized I couldn't
dig anymore,
748
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:21,266
so I just felt
that the job was done.
749
00:42:24,567 --> 00:42:26,967
I realized that I was probably
never gonna find my dad.
750
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,867
But then I...
751
00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:34,667
had a talk with the boys,
and they said that, uh --
752
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:36,266
"Well, then don't worry
about it, we'll do it."
753
00:42:40,367 --> 00:42:42,000
[Chris] You know,
he's my dad, I love him.
754
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,500
And I would do
anything for my dad.
755
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,266
So, of course, I'm gonna try
to help him.
756
00:42:47,967 --> 00:42:48,667
I -- I told him this many times.
757
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:51,667
He was my hero, growing up,
in a lot of ways.
758
00:42:52,567 --> 00:42:53,667
So...
759
00:42:54,867 --> 00:42:55,967
[Mike] I have to tell you...
760
00:42:58,567 --> 00:42:59,800
I'm blessed...
761
00:43:00,867 --> 00:43:02,100
in so many ways.
762
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,567
I think my stroke, uh, told
my kids, like, you know,
763
00:43:07,233 --> 00:43:07,600
you're gonna lose your dad.
764
00:43:08,266 --> 00:43:09,100
You might wanna tell him now
765
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:10,867
how important
he was in your life.
766
00:43:12,066 --> 00:43:14,667
And I think that's what
they did by stepping up
767
00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:18,800
and promised me to dig,
promised me to find my dad,
768
00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:20,667
promised me I was
gonna be OK,
769
00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:22,600
promised me they were
gonna be there.
770
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,700
That's, like, a gift
a lot of people don't get
771
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:27,767
in their lifetime.
I'm very grateful for that.
772
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:32,000
[loud thud]
773
00:43:33,233 --> 00:43:34,967
[Chris] I just went down there
with a hammer and I found like
774
00:43:35,667 --> 00:43:37,867
a little like chisel-type thing
775
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:39,500
and I just started
chipping it away.
776
00:43:39,934 --> 00:43:42,066
[metal clanking]
777
00:43:43,033 --> 00:43:44,266
Before you know it,
they were digging, like,
778
00:43:45,066 --> 00:43:46,500
twice a week,
three times a week,
779
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,767
'till 10 o'clock at night.
And I'm like, "Wow."
780
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:49,867
[clanging]
781
00:43:50,767 --> 00:43:51,967
They were doing it.
782
00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:53,300
[shovel scraping]
783
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,667
[Chris] We didn't have,
like, professional equipment.
784
00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:57,967
[shovel scraping]
785
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:00,900
My brother did a lot
of the heavy lifting.
786
00:44:01,433 --> 00:44:02,066
He's the muscle man.
787
00:44:03,166 --> 00:44:06,100
[Chris] Mike, he kinda takes
a back seat a little bit
788
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:07,100
with the physical stuff.
789
00:44:07,533 --> 00:44:08,300
[Chris speaking]
790
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:09,767
[Michael] I feel like I'm gonna
go down with you.
791
00:44:10,633 --> 00:44:12,166
I did help with the digging,
of course.
792
00:44:13,033 --> 00:44:15,100
but my role was
more the documentarian.
793
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:17,000
[Chris speaking]
794
00:44:17,967 --> 00:44:18,667
[Michael] I thought
if we do find something,
795
00:44:19,333 --> 00:44:20,367
the police need to see this.
796
00:44:21,567 --> 00:44:22,667
[indistinct]
797
00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:27,967
[Chris speaking]
798
00:44:28,834 --> 00:44:29,800
[Michael]
We were digging for months.
799
00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:33,800
They said it was six feet down.
We dug eight feet.
800
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,767
We dug way bit more past,
and there was nothing.
801
00:44:37,867 --> 00:44:40,967
[metal detector beeping]
802
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,367
We found a wrench at one point.
803
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,000
but it was just
scrap pieces of metal.
804
00:44:50,166 --> 00:44:53,166
But in the process of digging,
there was a cinder block wall
805
00:44:53,967 --> 00:44:55,000
that got exposed right
on the edge
806
00:44:55,834 --> 00:44:58,266
of the chalked-out area
of the radar.
807
00:45:00,867 --> 00:45:04,100
My son came up and said,
"There's a wall underground."
808
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,266
I'm like, "What's a wall doing
under the ground?"
809
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,467
I said, "You need to go
break that wall."
810
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,300
-[clanging]
-[rock crumbling]
811
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,667
[Chris] I just broke through
sideways and I saw a cavity.
812
00:45:18,633 --> 00:45:22,000
And I said, "That's not right.
It's a vault."
813
00:45:22,967 --> 00:45:24,266
[metal clanging]
814
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,367
[Michael indistinct]
815
00:45:26,467 --> 00:45:27,900
[Chris] But I don't wanna mess
things up in the hole.
816
00:45:28,834 --> 00:45:29,967
So right away, I thought
that was suspicious.
817
00:45:31,066 --> 00:45:33,000
And also the dirt was, like,
it was like a wet dirt.
818
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,567
It was a lot different than,
like, the sandy dirt outside.
819
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,100
I felt like I was
onto something
820
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:42,066
and I felt like
I was very close.
821
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,467
I couldn't sleep
that whole night.
822
00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:53,000
[ducks quacking]
823
00:45:54,133 --> 00:45:56,100
[Chris] The next day, it was
the day before Halloween.
824
00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:57,900
[sprinkler shuttering]
825
00:46:02,266 --> 00:46:03,867
[Chris] I was digging
there by myself.
826
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,567
All of a sudden, I came across
this like, very decomposed
827
00:46:12,033 --> 00:46:12,700
type of fabric.
828
00:46:13,667 --> 00:46:14,667
I started pulling it.
829
00:46:15,467 --> 00:46:17,467
It was just ripping
like threads.
830
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:21,867
It was just basically tearing
apart as soon as I touched it.
831
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,467
The first thing I thought is,
832
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,600
this has to be
some sort of clothing.
833
00:46:30,266 --> 00:46:32,166
All of a sudden, I hit
something with the shovel.
834
00:46:33,266 --> 00:46:34,567
Right where that fabric was,
835
00:46:35,367 --> 00:46:35,900
I was just hitting
something hard.
836
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:40,967
And I just stopped right there,
837
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,100
and I'm like,
that's -- that's him.
838
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,200
I found him.
839
00:46:47,767 --> 00:46:49,200
[Mike] I was sitting up here,
and Chris comes up, you know?
840
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,800
You know how tough
Chris is, right?
841
00:46:51,633 --> 00:46:53,567
He's as white
as toothpaste, right?
842
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,800
I mean, I never seen him looked
that freaked out.
843
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,266
I told him, "You need to come
down here right now."
844
00:47:00,166 --> 00:47:01,066
I said, "All right
I'm coming down."
845
00:47:02,166 --> 00:47:03,467
[heavy breathing]
846
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,066
I get down there,
and I'm standing
847
00:47:07,667 --> 00:47:08,467
at the hole, looking in.
848
00:47:09,233 --> 00:47:09,767
And I said, "I can't
see nothing.
849
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,967
I got to get in the hole."
850
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,500
And I got down on my knees
and crawled into the tunnel.
851
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:15,600
He's a healthcare professional,
852
00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:17,200
so he knows the body.
853
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,567
And he's like,
"That's not a bone."
854
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,200
And I'm like,
855
00:47:22,166 --> 00:47:23,467
"Yeah, it is."
I mean, what else could it be?
856
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:25,166
"Chris, can you come down
here again and just dig
857
00:47:25,834 --> 00:47:26,400
with your hands around it?"
858
00:47:27,467 --> 00:47:28,567
And he did that.
859
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,000
He just sat there for a minute.
And he took, like, a deep sigh.
860
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,900
And then I realized I was
looking at a pelvis.
861
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,200
And he's like,
"Boys, this is a bone."
862
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,000
He's like,
"This is, like, a human bone."
863
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:48,767
I put my hand right
on the dirty bones.
864
00:47:50,767 --> 00:47:52,500
"Dad, we got you.
865
00:47:53,233 --> 00:47:53,867
We got you, Dad.
We found you."
866
00:47:59,066 --> 00:48:00,300
[Chris]
And he just started crying.
867
00:48:02,367 --> 00:48:03,867
And he hugged us,
he thanked us,
868
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,100
and he said he always believed
that this was the case,
869
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,867
and finally he's proven true.
870
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,200
[Mike] Yeah, it was crazy.
871
00:48:14,867 --> 00:48:16,000
[sighs]
872
00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:20,467
It was crazy.
873
00:48:21,567 --> 00:48:22,667
Felt good.
874
00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:25,767
Not only would that I found
my dad, but I was...
875
00:48:27,867 --> 00:48:29,000
validated.
876
00:48:29,867 --> 00:48:31,500
Everybody said,
"I was wrong," right?
877
00:48:33,567 --> 00:48:34,667
Payday.
878
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:38,367
I win.
879
00:48:38,767 --> 00:48:39,500
I always do.
880
00:48:40,633 --> 00:48:41,567
["What A Wonderful World"
by Louis Armstrong playing]
881
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,867
โช I see trees of green โช
882
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:46,967
โช Red roses tooโช
883
00:48:47,734 --> 00:48:49,667
[Jean]
I couldn't contain myself.
884
00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:53,767
I was hysterical, hysterical.
885
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:58,667
[Steve, sighing] Uh...
886
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,200
I thought it was
a freaking miracle.
887
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,667
It was just a miracle,
you know, with all
888
00:49:06,767 --> 00:49:08,266
of the discussions,
and the stories, and the rumors
889
00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:09,767
and the theories
and all that stuff
890
00:49:10,467 --> 00:49:12,100
that we talked about for years.
891
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:14,700
And here we are, looking
at my father's remains.
892
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,100
[partygoers chatting
in background]
893
00:49:20,467 --> 00:49:23,100
[Richard] I was on a business
trip, and I'm in Chicago.
894
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:26,467
I got the call
from Christopher.
895
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:27,667
That was...
896
00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:31,767
probably the most emotional day
of my life.
897
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Your whole body turns numb.
898
00:49:36,767 --> 00:49:38,867
You start reflecting on
your entire life, a little bit,
899
00:49:39,767 --> 00:49:40,667
not just who did it --
was it my father?
900
00:49:41,567 --> 00:49:42,100
Was it my mother,
or anything like that,
901
00:49:42,867 --> 00:49:44,667
it was, "Oh, my god,
my siblings.
902
00:49:45,667 --> 00:49:47,367
What did they just endure
their entire lives?"
903
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
I said, "I have
to get to them.
904
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,567
I have to be there for them."
905
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,367
I think it was 12 o'clock.
We all decided that tomorrow
906
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,567
we're gonna call the cops.
907
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:41,800
I'm not gonna call
them tonight.
908
00:50:42,433 --> 00:50:42,867
There's no reason for it.
909
00:50:43,867 --> 00:50:44,567
He's been in the ground
for 60-something years.
910
00:50:45,867 --> 00:50:48,767
And besides, we wanted
everybody to be together.
911
00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:50,166
[Mike, in background]
And then he uncovered the --
912
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,166
[people talking and chatting
in background]
913
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
[Richard] I was home by 8,
8:30 the next morning
914
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,266
from Chicago
at Mike's house
915
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,467
in the hole.
916
00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:11,066
We report the body.
917
00:51:12,467 --> 00:51:14,900
They don't respond.
We report the body.
918
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:16,000
They don't...
919
00:51:16,734 --> 00:51:19,100
Nobody responds.
What's going on?
920
00:51:19,367 --> 00:51:20,100
Why?
921
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,266
[children yelling]
922
00:51:23,433 --> 00:51:26,900
The day we reported it was
Halloween 2018, October 31st.
923
00:51:27,734 --> 00:51:28,500
They find a skeleton
in the basement.
924
00:51:29,367 --> 00:51:30,500
Yeah, right.
There's no way we're gonna
925
00:51:31,433 --> 00:51:32,200
waste our time, we're getting
prank calls
926
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:34,667
all over
the place for bodies.
927
00:51:35,233 --> 00:51:36,367
So they didn't show up.
928
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:38,467
And then finally, you get
a couple of "Keystone Cops"
929
00:51:39,166 --> 00:51:40,166
with their coffees walking in.
930
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,233
"Hey, come on down
to the basement."
931
00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:42,867
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll come
in the basement."
932
00:51:43,533 --> 00:51:44,100
And then, like,
their jaws,
933
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,667
they dropped their coffees.
"Holy shit, we got one".
934
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:49,900
They called their superior,
935
00:51:50,734 --> 00:51:52,000
their superior called
his superior.
936
00:51:53,033 --> 00:51:53,767
Before you know it,
the archaeologist was there,
937
00:51:54,433 --> 00:51:55,000
the forensics team was here.
938
00:51:55,433 --> 00:51:56,367
[sirens wailing]
939
00:51:58,767 --> 00:52:00,200
[officer] If you can just hang
out for a second.
940
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,900
[indistinct]
941
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:06,266
[Richard]
It was the craziest scene
942
00:52:07,033 --> 00:52:08,000
I've ever seen
in my entire life.
943
00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:10,000
[Chris]
Every street was blocked off.
944
00:52:10,767 --> 00:52:11,467
There were hundreds
of cop cars.
945
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:12,667
It was crazy.
946
00:52:13,834 --> 00:52:15,266
I remember going outside.
I look up, and then I'm like,
947
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:16,767
"I can't believe this."
I look down...
948
00:52:17,934 --> 00:52:22,700
there's a seven-foot T-rex,
Mario, and Luigi
949
00:52:23,567 --> 00:52:24,700
in the crime scene.
Trick or treating.
950
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,600
It was just, everything was
so surreal.
951
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,800
They brought
this giant crime lab,
952
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,967
and they had all these people
in hazmat suits.
953
00:52:34,767 --> 00:52:35,166
[Mike]
I wasn't allowed downstairs.
954
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:37,767
I'm like, "Wait a minute,
I didn't kill him.
955
00:52:38,767 --> 00:52:40,367
I was one and a half years old.
I didn't do it."
956
00:52:41,433 --> 00:52:43,967
They don't know
if this is a fresh death
957
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,000
or a 60 year-old-death
at that point,
958
00:52:46,834 --> 00:52:47,367
so they're putting
everything on it.
959
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,266
[siren wailing]
960
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,667
[Chris]
There was a lot of press.
961
00:52:53,467 --> 00:52:53,767
They were trying
to get interviews.
962
00:52:54,467 --> 00:52:55,266
They were trying to talk to me.
963
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:58,667
[reporter]
The investigation is expected
to continue through the night.
964
00:52:59,667 --> 00:53:00,100
[Mike] I don't know
who called them, but boy,
965
00:53:00,734 --> 00:53:01,767
did they come like rats --
966
00:53:02,734 --> 00:53:04,667
little roaches running
with their microphones
967
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,266
and their booms and shit.
968
00:53:06,834 --> 00:53:07,700
The press is everywhere.
969
00:53:08,667 --> 00:53:09,400
They're trying to find out
who the bad guy is
970
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,600
from every camera crew.
Microphones everywhere.
971
00:53:12,967 --> 00:53:14,266
[reporter #2]
...with the family and is
there tonight with more...
972
00:53:15,133 --> 00:53:16,166
A Long Island family
may have literally
973
00:53:16,967 --> 00:53:17,600
unearthed the answer
to a mystery.
974
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,800
There was no record of a death
investigation at that time.
975
00:53:20,834 --> 00:53:22,100
Two daughters and two sons,
the oldest was nine.
976
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,567
[reporter #3] A mystery is
unfolding on Long Island.
977
00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:25,367
Looks to be
apparently a murder.
978
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,367
[Richard] Who did it, you know,
was one of the questions
979
00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:30,467
you would hear all the time.
"Who killed your father?
980
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:31,667
Who put him in that hole?"
981
00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:35,700
They don't care who they hurt
or what it's doing
982
00:53:36,533 --> 00:53:37,767
to the family inside,
our siblings,
983
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,367
the Carrolls, the Darresses.
They just want the story.
984
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:42,100
They want to find --
they want the villain.
985
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,467
And for the -- my siblings,
the bad guy in this story
986
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:48,967
is Richard Darress.
987
00:53:49,633 --> 00:53:51,266
[suspenseful music playing]
988
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:01,400
[Mike] When we found my dad,
989
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,266
you know, it was kind of like
we answered one question,
990
00:54:06,033 --> 00:54:08,900
but we got 100,000
new questions.
991
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,000
[Chris] They were able
to determine the cause of death,
992
00:54:16,166 --> 00:54:18,100
which was blunt force trauma
to the head.
993
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,000
[Mike]
That was the biggest find.
994
00:54:24,166 --> 00:54:27,100
And then never heard
from them again after that.
995
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:30,900
[plastic crinkling]
996
00:54:31,934 --> 00:54:34,367
It seemed like the police
decided it was so old
997
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,300
that it's not really
worth pursuing.
998
00:54:36,734 --> 00:54:38,800
[Steve speaking]
999
00:54:45,467 --> 00:54:47,100
...in 1963.
1000
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,800
So, Mike, can you take
them off the list?
1001
00:54:50,567 --> 00:54:51,767
[Jean]
Richie was always foremost
1002
00:54:53,867 --> 00:54:55,400
on my mind.
1003
00:54:56,333 --> 00:54:58,600
You know, here's
my father being murdered,
1004
00:54:59,367 --> 00:55:01,066
and his father
possibly being...
1005
00:55:03,066 --> 00:55:04,166
you know, the murderer.
1006
00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:11,467
[Richard]
I've heard over and over
again from my siblings that,
1007
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,200
"We know your father did this."
1008
00:55:15,367 --> 00:55:18,467
But the fact that he was very
poor to them, all of them,
1009
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:22,066
it's a very low hanging fruit,
very easy target to,
1010
00:55:22,867 --> 00:55:24,100
you know,
put this murder on him.
1011
00:55:27,066 --> 00:55:29,000
There's been a lot
of protecting of Richie
1012
00:55:29,467 --> 00:55:30,367
for a long time.
1013
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,266
But when we look
at the basement and we have
1014
00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:37,066
any kind of theory about,
you know, what happened,
1015
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:39,467
it all points to Darress.
1016
00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:41,467
[ominous music playing]
1017
00:55:54,567 --> 00:55:58,266
[Steve]
There was a rectangular
opening in the basement floor
1018
00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:59,467
where the water pump was.
1019
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:01,266
And every house back then
had a water pump,
1020
00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:05,000
we didn't have city water.
And that's where he was.
1021
00:56:05,633 --> 00:56:06,166
That's where we found him.
1022
00:56:07,266 --> 00:56:08,700
-[Chris] This is
the end of like, soil.
-[Steve] Yeah.
1023
00:56:09,467 --> 00:56:10,567
[Steve]
Darress was in the house.
1024
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:12,367
He was intimate with...
1025
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:14,367
pouring cement.
1026
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:16,900
The opening to the floor was
there already.
1027
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:19,367
The dirt was there.
1028
00:56:20,266 --> 00:56:22,367
The concrete, the mixer was
right there.
1029
00:56:23,266 --> 00:56:25,567
It was so easy.
Everything points to him.
1030
00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:30,300
[Richard] We may never
find out what happened,
1031
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:31,967
if he was murdered, whatever,
1032
00:56:32,734 --> 00:56:33,266
this could have
been an accident.
1033
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:37,166
Like, did he trip in the hole,
hit his head on the cement,
1034
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,367
and now he's...
1035
00:56:39,367 --> 00:56:41,667
You know, I'm just...
1036
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:42,800
There's other possibilities.
1037
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:44,467
But when I talk to my siblings,
1038
00:56:45,433 --> 00:56:46,266
we have to look at all
the different stories.
1039
00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:48,467
[reporter]...remove
the remains and are now trying
1040
00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:49,867
to determine the cause of death.
1041
00:56:51,133 --> 00:56:52,100
[reporter #2] Steven Carroll was
just five when his dad, George,
1042
00:56:52,667 --> 00:56:53,300
went missing in 1961.
1043
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:54,767
[reporter #3] No paper trail
as to what happened...
1044
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,667
[Jean]
I spoke to Richie and I said,
1045
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,266
"I know this is very sensitive
and very hard for you."
1046
00:57:01,166 --> 00:57:02,767
-[cameras clicking]
-[reporters talking]
1047
00:57:03,934 --> 00:57:05,767
[Richard] It's a tough spot
for my siblings.
1048
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,867
They want to say who did it
or who they believe that did it,
1049
00:57:10,834 --> 00:57:12,500
but they don't wanna hurt
me and my family.
1050
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:15,200
[reporter #4] The other half
of the mystery, who buried him
1051
00:57:15,767 --> 00:57:16,967
in the family basement?
1052
00:57:18,066 --> 00:57:19,800
The brothers won't publicly
speculate, but they say
1053
00:57:20,834 --> 00:57:23,567
they have theories and hint
at domestic discord.
1054
00:57:24,567 --> 00:57:26,467
There was a lot of talk
about trying not to use
1055
00:57:26,967 --> 00:57:27,500
the Darress name.
1056
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,467
-[cameras clicking]
-[reporters talking]
1057
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,800
[Richard] I think
at one point they said,
1058
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,000
"We're not gonna
talk to the media,"
1059
00:57:32,834 --> 00:57:34,000
but how do you
not talk to the media?
1060
00:57:34,967 --> 00:57:36,066
You know, when
they're lined up out the door.
1061
00:57:37,066 --> 00:57:38,567
They're not going away.
You gotta say something.
1062
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,300
[reporter #5] You have no idea
who may have done this?
1063
00:57:42,367 --> 00:57:43,867
I do.
1064
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,367
[reporter #5] Mike Carroll
wouldn't elaborate on that.
1065
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,667
He would only say that
the last person who likely knew
1066
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:53,400
what happened to his father died
over three months ago.
1067
00:57:54,734 --> 00:57:57,500
[Richard]
When Mike started digging,
my brother Steve, I believe,
1068
00:57:58,633 --> 00:58:00,266
came to me and said, "I want to
go talk to your father."
1069
00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:02,800
And I'm like, "Maybe
that's not a bad idea."
1070
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,400
So then we made
arrangements to go.
1071
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:06,200
We were gonna leave
on a Monday morning
1072
00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:08,100
and fly out there and then
come right back home.
1073
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:11,600
I called him Sunday night,
he had passed away.
1074
00:58:14,066 --> 00:58:15,166
We lost the shot.
1075
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:21,767
Anybody that would have had
this intimate secret,
1076
00:58:22,834 --> 00:58:24,967
if there was one to be told,
they've all passed on.
1077
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:30,000
But what if
there's another story there?
1078
00:58:30,467 --> 00:58:32,000
[tape rewinding]
1079
00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,467
[Richard]
I've heard stories
about George Carroll.
1080
00:58:37,333 --> 00:58:38,667
He wasn't, you know,
the best husband.
1081
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,567
I've heard the term
"heavy hands."
1082
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:48,100
There were comments
by my mother early on
1083
00:58:48,767 --> 00:58:50,100
that my father was abusive.
1084
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,000
I want to believe that it was
post-traumatic stress
1085
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,467
from Korea.
1086
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,500
[Mike] When he came back from
Korea, he was rough with her.
1087
00:59:02,967 --> 00:59:05,767
[Richard] I know my mother had
scars and stuff like that.
1088
00:59:10,367 --> 00:59:13,467
Just recently, Steve
said he did reach out
1089
00:59:14,233 --> 00:59:15,767
to my father's brother,
my uncle.
1090
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:19,800
I said, "What do
you think happened?"
1091
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,100
And he said, word for word,
"I have no doubt
1092
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,867
"that my brother was involved,
1093
00:59:28,967 --> 00:59:30,367
but I do believe that he was
defending your mother."
1094
00:59:31,467 --> 00:59:34,667
[tense music playing]
1095
00:59:35,467 --> 00:59:36,500
[Richard]
So paint this picture --
1096
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:42,467
Mom is getting physically
abused to no end
1097
00:59:43,066 --> 00:59:44,100
by your father, George.
1098
00:59:44,934 --> 00:59:46,500
And my father's working
on the house.
1099
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,166
And he walks into the room,
and she is getting beaten up.
1100
00:59:51,367 --> 00:59:54,467
And my father has to get
involved to save Mom.
1101
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,967
So maybe my father becomes
my mother's hero
1102
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,400
and saves her from getting
beaten up by George Carroll.
1103
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:05,266
Is that possible?
Sure it is.
1104
01:00:06,166 --> 01:00:07,467
Is it likely?
Maybe.
1105
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,867
[Jean]
My mother was a good woman.
1106
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,667
I'm not gonna try to make
more out of it.
1107
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:22,467
And on the other hand, I know
how and what kind of evil man
1108
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:23,667
Mr. Darress was.
1109
01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:29,000
To be honest with you, I never
really felt my mother
1110
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,266
knew anything about it.
1111
01:00:31,433 --> 01:00:33,800
I thought it was all him.
I thought it was Mr. Darress.
1112
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:39,166
[Richard]
Human nature is, you know,
1113
01:00:39,934 --> 01:00:40,467
you're not gonna
point it at Mom.
1114
01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:43,266
You're gonna point it
at the bad guy.
1115
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,967
But how does my mother
not know about this?
1116
01:00:49,033 --> 01:00:50,900
With everything that we know
today, her not filing
1117
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,667
a missing person report,
her not showing her kids
1118
01:00:55,834 --> 01:00:57,600
to the grandparents and keeping
them apart, and the Yagels
1119
01:00:58,467 --> 01:00:59,767
and everybody involved,
she had to know.
1120
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:05,767
But if she happened to be
involved with any of this.
1121
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,100
She had a reason.
1122
01:01:15,667 --> 01:01:17,166
[Chris]
I think the truth matters.
1123
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,367
[grill sizzling]
1124
01:01:20,467 --> 01:01:22,867
[Chris]
I'm not content with
just, OK, we found him,
1125
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,400
but now we don't know
100% what happened.
1126
01:01:25,834 --> 01:01:26,667
Just move on.
1127
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:37,166
So I kind of felt the need
to start looking for myself
1128
01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:39,667
and finding certain things
the police might have missed.
1129
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,834
Around that time,
1130
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:47,767
my aunt Pat was diagnosed
with cancer.
1131
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,900
At that point, she
really was, kind of,
1132
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:54,667
estranged to the family.
1133
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:58,767
But she decided she
wanted to tell her story,
1134
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:01,066
and she wanted to tell it to me.
1135
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:06,834
[Jean] My sister was very,
very complicated girl.
1136
01:02:10,567 --> 01:02:12,834
She was more of a wild child.
1137
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,400
[Steve]
Pat just made decisions
early on in life
1138
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:22,166
that were just different than
what we would've done.
1139
01:02:25,266 --> 01:02:27,000
[Mike] She's considered
the black sheep.
1140
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:28,266
She was on her own path.
1141
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,467
Pat ran away when she was 15.
She literally ran away.
1142
01:02:33,867 --> 01:02:36,400
And the guy she was
staying with was 25.
1143
01:02:37,367 --> 01:02:38,767
So you got a lot
going on here that's wrong.
1144
01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:42,867
She hurt Mom really bad,
1145
01:02:43,834 --> 01:02:45,000
and I don't like that.
1146
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,066
But then I learned something
down the road.
1147
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,100
[Chris] My aunt Pat confided
in me about a lot of the abuse
1148
01:03:00,734 --> 01:03:02,367
that she got from Richard.
1149
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:04,867
How he molested and raped her,
1150
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,300
and was able to get
away with it.
1151
01:03:10,667 --> 01:03:12,166
Nobody would listen to her.
1152
01:03:13,266 --> 01:03:15,867
Even her mom refused
to acknowledge it.
1153
01:03:19,266 --> 01:03:23,467
Darress was able to manipulate
the situation to make Pat seem
1154
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,767
like she was just a troubled
kid making up lies.
1155
01:03:27,567 --> 01:03:30,266
And because Pat felt
so abandoned,
1156
01:03:31,066 --> 01:03:31,567
and that she wouldn't
be believed,
1157
01:03:32,133 --> 01:03:32,900
she ran away for years.
1158
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:37,266
I never believed
my sister's story.
1159
01:03:39,367 --> 01:03:40,567
How do I put that?
1160
01:03:45,734 --> 01:03:47,600
OK, I'm having a tough time
with that one.
1161
01:03:48,967 --> 01:03:50,734
For a moment, I have to think.
1162
01:03:52,734 --> 01:03:53,900
Can we take a two-minute break?
1163
01:03:55,367 --> 01:03:59,900
A lot of what my mother said
to me about her made me believe
1164
01:04:00,633 --> 01:04:02,266
that she wasn't believable.
1165
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,166
Pat, you know, was a bit,
I think she stretched
1166
01:04:05,867 --> 01:04:07,000
the truth about a lot of things.
1167
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:12,066
[Jean] You know, when I look
back, I just felt that she knew
1168
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,834
it was happening to me,
and it was her way out.
1169
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:18,367
[ticking]
1170
01:04:19,433 --> 01:04:21,900
The abuse started when I was
about eight years old.
1171
01:04:24,834 --> 01:04:28,000
It was just all wrong.
It felt all wrong.
1172
01:04:30,667 --> 01:04:33,166
All you know is
that something is being done
1173
01:04:34,066 --> 01:04:36,567
that you don't like.
and you tend to just
1174
01:04:37,734 --> 01:04:41,767
take yourself somewhere else
and think of something else
1175
01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:42,867
just to get through it.
1176
01:04:46,066 --> 01:04:47,166
He just...
1177
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,667
would just touch
me inappropriately.
1178
01:04:50,967 --> 01:04:51,834
And...
1179
01:04:52,867 --> 01:04:55,166
it was terrible.
Absolutely terrible.
1180
01:04:56,367 --> 01:04:57,767
I think I'll just
leave it at that.
1181
01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:05,367
I kept that a secret
for a long time.
1182
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,734
It was just the times then.
1183
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,467
[Darress]
The best thing you can do,
no matter what happens,
1184
01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:22,667
at the end of the evening,
every day of every year
1185
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,667
of your life,
1186
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,300
say "I love you,"
no matter what happens.
1187
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,367
I found out all of this
about the abuse to Mike,
1188
01:05:32,433 --> 01:05:35,300
Jean, the stories I heard
about Pat, all came out
1189
01:05:35,834 --> 01:05:36,900
after I got married.
1190
01:05:40,967 --> 01:05:42,200
Do you know what?
1191
01:05:43,066 --> 01:05:44,166
She was more my family
than my father.
1192
01:05:44,734 --> 01:05:45,367
She was there every day.
1193
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,367
If I knew what I knew today,
1194
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:50,867
he wouldn't have been
at my wedding.
1195
01:05:51,734 --> 01:05:52,567
I wouldn't have put
them through that.
1196
01:05:53,767 --> 01:05:55,000
He wouldn't have been invited.
1197
01:05:55,533 --> 01:05:57,266
[solemn piano notes]
1198
01:06:13,967 --> 01:06:15,567
[Mike] This is all what's left
of my sister.
1199
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:19,166
I'm not too sure
what to think of that.
1200
01:06:20,033 --> 01:06:21,600
Her daughter left all
this stuff here,
1201
01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:23,567
and she never
came back for it.
1202
01:06:26,467 --> 01:06:27,967
[Mike] I don't think these
are worth anything.
1203
01:06:33,367 --> 01:06:35,567
I believe it 110%.
1204
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,100
And I --
1205
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:41,900
And I won't even come down
a notch on that one.
1206
01:06:46,166 --> 01:06:49,767
Because what 15-year-old runs
away from a safe place?
1207
01:06:52,166 --> 01:06:54,767
[wasp buzzing]
1208
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,467
[Mike]
This is embarrassing,
a little bit.
1209
01:06:59,633 --> 01:07:02,166
But as a five-year-old kid,
like, I'm scared every day.
1210
01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:10,000
I remember being
pretty young, and...
1211
01:07:10,967 --> 01:07:13,066
remember getting the strap,
and I'm saying,
1212
01:07:13,633 --> 01:07:14,400
you know, "That hurts."
1213
01:07:17,567 --> 01:07:18,867
We had to be totally naked.
1214
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,567
I'm like, "Why?
It hurts enough."
1215
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,567
I came up with a technique
that if I went to sleep,
1216
01:07:30,967 --> 01:07:32,200
I would rock
1217
01:07:33,367 --> 01:07:35,967
like an idiot so violently
that Darress couldn't grab me
1218
01:07:36,734 --> 01:07:38,200
and strangle me.
I'd have a chance.
1219
01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:41,000
I love my mother,
1220
01:07:42,066 --> 01:07:44,266
but for her to allow that,
1221
01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,266
there's a big giant
question mark.
1222
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,567
[Jean] My mother was controlled
by him the whole time.
1223
01:07:57,734 --> 01:07:59,367
I don't know what
my mother knew,
1224
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:03,867
but when my mother was
dying of cancer,
1225
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,066
she actually approached me
before she died.
1226
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:10,200
And she asked me,
1227
01:08:13,066 --> 01:08:14,667
"Was I in love with him?"
1228
01:08:15,767 --> 01:08:17,367
My mother actually
asked me that,
1229
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,066
if I was in love with him.
1230
01:08:19,834 --> 01:08:20,734
And I said,
"You know what, Mom?
1231
01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,467
I couldn't stand the man."
1232
01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:28,066
[muffled voices from TV]
1233
01:08:31,767 --> 01:08:35,734
[Jean]
This is how great this man
was a manipulator.
1234
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,000
He would gaslight her
and change the story around
1235
01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:45,166
to make me look
like I was the bad person.
1236
01:08:47,900 --> 01:08:51,667
[Mike] My mom can't say
that she didn't know something.
1237
01:08:52,867 --> 01:08:54,000
There must have been things
like, you know, him waking up
1238
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,166
at 2 o'clock in the morning
and sneaking downstairs
1239
01:08:56,867 --> 01:08:57,367
or sneaking into the bedrooms.
1240
01:09:00,467 --> 01:09:02,066
I just don't think she knew
how to handle it.
1241
01:09:03,567 --> 01:09:06,367
Which leaves me questioning,
like, what the heck?
1242
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,667
[Jean]
I forgive my mom.
1243
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,567
I understand that she
probably -- she went through...
1244
01:09:19,266 --> 01:09:19,767
She probably went through hell.
1245
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,567
She deserved, really,
a whole lot more,
1246
01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:27,467
because she was a good person.
1247
01:09:30,266 --> 01:09:32,867
[Mike] My mom and Jean
were super close,
1248
01:09:33,967 --> 01:09:36,300
regardless of the stuff
that went on in this house.
1249
01:09:37,266 --> 01:09:38,567
Jean never gave up on my mom,
1250
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:41,100
and my mom never
gave up on Jean.
1251
01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,900
I understand that it
was not my fault.
1252
01:09:44,667 --> 01:09:47,867
I know that he was
a sick person.
1253
01:09:48,433 --> 01:09:49,834
I've learned that now.
1254
01:09:50,834 --> 01:09:51,867
After all of these years,
I learned that now.
1255
01:09:55,467 --> 01:09:58,767
It turned out that there was
a lot of families
1256
01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:00,000
that had that secret.
1257
01:10:01,266 --> 01:10:02,667
I was not the only one.
1258
01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:07,834
Mr. Darress was a predator
everywhere he went.
1259
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,900
[sinister music playing]
1260
01:10:25,667 --> 01:10:27,967
[Chris] As I started doing
more research,
1261
01:10:29,467 --> 01:10:32,467
I found Richard Darress had
a pattern of abuse.
1262
01:10:33,934 --> 01:10:36,934
He went to a new family.
He did the same thing there.
1263
01:10:37,834 --> 01:10:39,967
He was sexually harassing
the daughter.
1264
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,967
So it shows what kind of person
he is, and that he repeatedly
1265
01:10:44,533 --> 01:10:45,100
showed this behavior.
1266
01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:49,300
He's a predator.
That's the bottom line.
1267
01:10:50,266 --> 01:10:52,567
Don't be fooled by the words
and the bullshit
1268
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:55,734
that he's gonna sell you.
He's a predator,
1269
01:10:56,433 --> 01:10:57,834
child molester.
That we know.
1270
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,834
[Steve] I had a conversation
with my cousin.
1271
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,867
She told me, my aunt,
told my father that Darress
1272
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,567
was exposing himself
1273
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,734
at the house.
1274
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,266
He was exposing himself
to the girls.
1275
01:11:15,266 --> 01:11:18,166
So this is when he had just
moved in, I guess.
1276
01:11:19,867 --> 01:11:25,000
And I wonder, to this day,
if that was the day
1277
01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:26,667
that my father died.
1278
01:11:27,767 --> 01:11:30,367
Was that the day that he went
home and he confronted
1279
01:11:31,467 --> 01:11:33,867
either Darress or my mother,
and then Darress got up
1280
01:11:34,834 --> 01:11:35,767
behind him and hit
him with the pipe wrench?
1281
01:11:40,667 --> 01:11:42,967
[Mike] I think he stood up
to him, told him to get out.
1282
01:11:44,834 --> 01:11:46,967
But the thing is, let's assume
it's true that,
1283
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,367
you know, that did happen.
1284
01:11:50,934 --> 01:11:53,467
Then my mom is
the question mark.
1285
01:11:56,767 --> 01:12:00,567
She knew that this guy was
in my house, our house,
1286
01:12:01,367 --> 01:12:02,667
and he was unbalanced
and unsafe.
1287
01:12:03,867 --> 01:12:06,266
And my question is, why would
you allow him to stay here?
1288
01:12:10,266 --> 01:12:13,767
As a man, as a father,
1289
01:12:14,934 --> 01:12:19,500
I don't understand how somebody
could just not acknowledge
1290
01:12:20,367 --> 01:12:22,266
the crimes against
your kids like that.
1291
01:12:22,834 --> 01:12:23,467
That leaves me hanging.
1292
01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:29,100
[Chris] I've kind of been
thinking about how
1293
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:33,166
all the abuse that she let
happen to her kids
1294
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:36,266
that no mother could ever allow
1295
01:12:37,066 --> 01:12:38,166
kind of plays
a role in the story.
1296
01:12:39,266 --> 01:12:42,667
And I thought maybe
it's possible that
1297
01:12:43,834 --> 01:12:46,166
there was some sort of blackmail
type of situation where
1298
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,734
Darress and my grandma were
having an affair,
1299
01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:54,567
and he said, "Don't worry,
I'll take care of this.
1300
01:12:55,333 --> 01:12:55,834
You won't have
to know anything."
1301
01:12:56,734 --> 01:12:57,867
And maybe...
1302
01:12:59,667 --> 01:13:03,166
Darress buried him,
and from that day forward,
1303
01:13:04,233 --> 01:13:06,200
he has that over her,
and maybe she was too scared
1304
01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:10,266
to say anything about the abuse
because he would just say
1305
01:13:10,967 --> 01:13:13,066
that she murdered my grandpa.
1306
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,867
If my mother did tell
the authorities about
1307
01:13:20,967 --> 01:13:22,367
the situation between Jean
and my father, it's gonna
1308
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,467
open up the can of worms
of the death of George Carroll,
1309
01:13:26,767 --> 01:13:30,367
and then they lose now
both parents and their home
1310
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:32,467
and their whole livelihood.
1311
01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:35,867
It's a big bind.
It's a big bind to be in.
1312
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,166
I'm not happy the way
I'm thinking about this,
1313
01:13:39,734 --> 01:13:40,467
to be honest with you.
1314
01:13:42,367 --> 01:13:46,867
I believe my mother just was
making sure that she took care
1315
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,266
of her children, and that was
the number one priority
1316
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:50,600
to my mother.
1317
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,200
No.
Mom did not know
1318
01:13:56,767 --> 01:13:57,367
he was under the house.
1319
01:13:59,367 --> 01:14:01,767
There's nothing you can tell me
1320
01:14:02,834 --> 01:14:06,100
that indicates my mother
was a willing participant
1321
01:14:06,667 --> 01:14:07,367
in the murder of my dad.
1322
01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:11,266
Mom was afraid.
She was scared.
1323
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,367
She was abused, just like
everybody else.
1324
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:15,166
[Dorothy]
I'm the queen of
the whole place.
1325
01:14:16,734 --> 01:14:19,400
[Steve]
I have often thought,
"Why, if my mother knew,
1326
01:14:20,734 --> 01:14:25,166
why didn't she ultimately tell
us when she was sick?"
1327
01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:29,567
But now I think about it, I go,
"I don't think I would have
1328
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,200
told my kids."
1329
01:14:31,734 --> 01:14:32,567
I think if my mother
1330
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:35,600
contemplated...
1331
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,467
telling us what
actually happened,
1332
01:14:39,367 --> 01:14:40,867
it would tarnish the way
we thought of her.
1333
01:14:41,867 --> 01:14:43,367
And we thought very highly
of her.
1334
01:14:45,467 --> 01:14:46,567
We loved her.
1335
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:56,166
I'm gonna tell you
one very interesting
1336
01:14:56,734 --> 01:14:57,734
moment of my wedding.
1337
01:15:01,667 --> 01:15:04,266
My mother and my father
were on the dance floor.
1338
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,567
My mother was looking up
at my father, nodding her head,
1339
01:15:08,467 --> 01:15:09,767
and my father was just
crying hysterical.
1340
01:15:11,667 --> 01:15:12,867
What were they saying?
1341
01:15:18,734 --> 01:15:21,100
I get emotional because
they're just talking about me,
1342
01:15:21,633 --> 01:15:23,100
how I've I grew up.
1343
01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:25,066
"We raised a good kid."
1344
01:15:25,834 --> 01:15:27,066
You know, good life,
good family,
1345
01:15:27,867 --> 01:15:28,667
or were they talking about,
"Hey,
1346
01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:32,266
we potentially got away
with murder at this point."
1347
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:39,867
You got it, buddy.
You ready?
1348
01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:41,100
You ready?
[Richard grunts]
1349
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,166
[excited panting and whining]
1350
01:15:44,767 --> 01:15:45,867
Let's go.
1351
01:15:46,767 --> 01:15:47,867
Let's go.
1352
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:49,600
The truth is,
1353
01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:51,100
we're never gonna know.
1354
01:15:51,533 --> 01:15:52,667
[engine roars]
1355
01:15:56,734 --> 01:15:59,767
[Mike] You know, Richie,
he volunteered to come
1356
01:16:00,734 --> 01:16:02,367
and help me put the dirt
back in the hole.
1357
01:16:03,767 --> 01:16:07,000
I'm so glad it was him,
because it needed to be him.
1358
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,767
That's how I felt.
1359
01:16:10,367 --> 01:16:11,000
And we did it together.
1360
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:13,767
I do feel...
1361
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,100
that...
1362
01:16:17,066 --> 01:16:18,667
as incomplete as this is...,
1363
01:16:20,867 --> 01:16:23,367
it's the closest
I've ever been to...
1364
01:16:25,367 --> 01:16:27,000
following through with love.
1365
01:16:29,867 --> 01:16:31,667
The truth is,
1366
01:16:32,033 --> 01:16:33,100
[sniffles]
1367
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:35,667
this whole thing is about
loving something that we didn't
1368
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,567
know was there.
We have faith in it, though.
1369
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,100
And that's pretty damn
cool, you know?
1370
01:16:43,767 --> 01:16:44,266
Like, you have faith in it.
1371
01:16:46,734 --> 01:16:48,400
My mission was to find my dad.
1372
01:16:49,467 --> 01:16:50,934
And that mission is completed.
1373
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,767
I have my dad with me
at all times.
1374
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,667
I think of him every day.
I talk to him every day.
1375
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,166
It just feels great to have
him with me at all times.
1376
01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:13,767
I'm sorry he's in
a wonton soup container.
1377
01:17:15,166 --> 01:17:16,500
I hope he liked wonton.
1378
01:17:16,867 --> 01:17:18,500
[chuckles]
1379
01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:28,567
[Steve]
Well, there wasn't much
1380
01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:34,500
that I ever had that my father
actually owned or gave to me.
1381
01:17:37,667 --> 01:17:41,467
I guess the shoes just kind
of give me some connection.
1382
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:44,266
This is all I have.
1383
01:17:46,467 --> 01:17:48,667
But the thought of him wearing
these shoes when he was
1384
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,166
in that hole, and they were
in the ground
1385
01:17:50,734 --> 01:17:52,934
for 55 years, it's just,
1386
01:17:53,867 --> 01:17:55,266
it's kinda hard to wrap
my brain around it.
1387
01:17:59,567 --> 01:18:01,834
-[Jean] I love that smell.
-[medium] Thank you.
1388
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:02,934
Hold on.
1389
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,100
[Jean]
Feels like a whole new
beginning when you spray
1390
01:18:07,066 --> 01:18:07,667
that, right?
-[medium] That's what it's for.
1391
01:18:08,633 --> 01:18:09,500
-Exactly -- It clears the air.
-[Jean] Yeah.
1392
01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:15,066
[medium]
So we have no negative vibes
when I start channeling.
1393
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:17,400
So.
1394
01:18:19,867 --> 01:18:20,967
My little...
1395
01:18:23,767 --> 01:18:24,967
space.
1396
01:18:27,967 --> 01:18:31,166
Actually, both your mother
and father are coming in.
1397
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,567
To answer a question
that's been on your mind,
1398
01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:38,066
he said,
"Nobody else was there."
1399
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,934
It was just him and his friend
when it happened.
1400
01:18:42,266 --> 01:18:43,266
Do you understand
what I'm saying?
1401
01:18:43,767 --> 01:18:44,667
[Jean] Yes, I do.
1402
01:18:45,834 --> 01:18:47,100
[medium]
Your mother just ran over
and gave you a big hug
1403
01:18:47,667 --> 01:18:48,867
and a kiss, and she...
1404
01:18:51,166 --> 01:18:53,867
She's literally apologizing
to you for the...
1405
01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,667
more than abuse.
1406
01:18:57,433 --> 01:18:58,100
-Do you understand that?
-Mm-hmm.
1407
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,367
[medium] She didn't, she
went like this, I didn't see.
1408
01:19:04,133 --> 01:19:06,567
I didn't see.
But she does know.
1409
01:19:07,133 --> 01:19:07,834
And she does see now.
1410
01:19:09,367 --> 01:19:10,667
She's very emotional.
1411
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:15,600
She said, "Can you please
tell her I love her?"
1412
01:19:17,667 --> 01:19:20,300
You could tell her that.
Well, I could tell her.
1413
01:19:21,533 --> 01:19:22,667
-[medium] Yeah,
she's right here.
-That I still love her.
1414
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,734
I always did.
No matter what.
1415
01:19:32,767 --> 01:19:36,600
I really wish that when
my mom was dying
1416
01:19:37,266 --> 01:19:39,100
that she told me the truth.
1417
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,467
I wish, but that didn't happen.
1418
01:19:43,367 --> 01:19:44,767
Come on, let's do it.
1419
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,000
[Michael] Listen, buster,
I make the rules here.
1420
01:19:47,367 --> 01:19:48,000
[Mike] OK.
1421
01:19:48,667 --> 01:19:49,767
You know, it's a conundrum.
1422
01:19:50,767 --> 01:19:52,266
I don't have answers,
but ignorance is bliss.
1423
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,000
I guess that's what you do.
You don't blame your mom.
1424
01:19:59,066 --> 01:20:00,266
I don't wanna blame my mom.
1425
01:20:07,967 --> 01:20:09,000
[quiet piano notes]
1426
01:20:09,667 --> 01:20:10,266
[Michael] Well, that's out.
1427
01:20:11,166 --> 01:20:12,567
I think that's a little
off-key there, OK.
1428
01:20:13,133 --> 01:20:15,500
[off-key piano notes]
1429
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,667
[Michael]
Nope.
1430
01:20:17,233 --> 01:20:19,266
[piano notes continue]
1431
01:20:20,667 --> 01:20:23,166
[Mike] There's nothing we can
do about the past.
1432
01:20:24,667 --> 01:20:27,567
So, we're not gonna delve
on the past.
1433
01:20:28,233 --> 01:20:28,600
You gotta stand up and bow.
1434
01:20:29,367 --> 01:20:30,734
["Moonlight Sonata" by
Beethoven]
1435
01:20:31,367 --> 01:20:32,767
Thank you very much there.
1436
01:20:33,266 --> 01:20:34,367
Look at this guy.
1437
01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:37,500
Holy crap.
These are my boys doing that.
1438
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,734
I just gotta move on.
1439
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,767
Well, another era gone.
1440
01:20:48,867 --> 01:20:49,867
What do you think, baby?
1441
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:50,934
[Michael]
Good job on the left hand.
1442
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:52,767
-What?
-Good job on the left hand.
1443
01:20:53,867 --> 01:20:54,834
-[Chris] Good job, Mike.
-[Mike] You guys are awesome.
1444
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,467
All right, time
for Captain Crunch.
1445
01:20:57,834 --> 01:20:58,567
Let's go.
1446
01:21:03,166 --> 01:21:04,500
[Mike] Oh, gosh.
1447
01:21:08,467 --> 01:21:10,000
Change is good.
1448
01:21:10,433 --> 01:21:11,166
Change is good.
1449
01:21:16,266 --> 01:21:17,467
Beautiful day out today.
1450
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,400
["So Alive" by
Love and Rockets playing]
1451
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,467
[all cheering]
1452
01:21:46,967 --> 01:21:50,567
โช But your hair is
long and brown โช
1453
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,600
โช Your legs are strong,
and they're so, so long โช
1454
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,734
โช And you don't come
from this town โช
1455
01:22:00,266 --> 01:22:03,867
โช My head is full
of magic, baby โช
1456
01:22:04,734 --> 01:22:07,000
โช And I can't share this
with you โช
1457
01:22:08,367 --> 01:22:12,066
โช Feel I'm on a cross
again lately โช
1458
01:22:12,967 --> 01:22:15,867
โช But there's nothing
to do with you โช
1459
01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:21,266
โช I'm alive
huh, huh, so alive โช
1460
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:30,300
โช I'm alive,
huh, huh, so alive โช
1461
01:22:32,467 --> 01:22:37,200
โช I feel I'm on top -- on top --
on top -- on top โช
1462
01:22:38,133 --> 01:22:40,734
-[tape continues skipping]
-[all laughing]
1463
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,867
-[music resumes]
-[cheering]
1464
01:22:56,166 --> 01:22:58,767
-[cheering]
-[clapping]
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