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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,160 Well, you know, I was a young boy 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,200 and I used to go skating and... 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,560 roller-skating in a place called 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,880 the Admiralspalast, I think it was, 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,920 and, one day, I went there with my skates 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,160 and they told me there was no skating today. 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,520 They had a dance there 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,360 and I saw a poster on the wall 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,120 and it said Sam Wooding and his Chocolate Dandies 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,680 and I didn't know anything about it but it looked strange to me, 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,000 different, you know? 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,080 TRAIN RUMBLES 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,520 MUSIC: Sam Wooding and his Chocolate Dandies 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,840 And I went in, checked out my skates and sat down 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,720 and there was Sam Wooding. 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,760 It was the first time I saw coloured musicians, you know, 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,640 and all the music and I was flabbergasted. 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,400 I couldn't, you know... It was something brand-new, 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,160 but it registered with me right away, you know? 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 I couldn't really put my fingers on it, but it was the beat. 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,880 You know, it was the beat. 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,600 That beat, you know, I got it in my bones! 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,320 For those of you who come in late, 24 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,920 we are now having a little cooking session for Blue Note 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,680 right here on the scene. 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Putting the pot on in here 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,600 and we'd like for you to join in 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,760 with us and have a ball. 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,120 APPLAUSE 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,840 This is the story of Alfred Lion and Francis Wolff, 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,720 two German immigrants who founded a jazz record company in 1939 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,920 that became very famous in its genre. 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Unlike any other jazz label, 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Blue Note Records influenced the revolution of music and sound, 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,840 style and technical standards. 36 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,160 Each of the Blue Note recording sessions 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,200 was documented by the photographs of Francis Wolff. 38 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Alfred Lion's vision of music 39 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,880 and Francis Wolff's clear view of the recording sessions 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,640 are a legacy of the unique creative achievement 41 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,000 that continues to this very day. 42 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,760 Hello, there. This is Freddie Hubbard, 43 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,800 trumpet man. 44 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Blue Note. 45 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,040 Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff. 46 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,400 My men. 47 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,600 He realised that he was a catalyst, 48 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,600 a walking, living human catalyst. 49 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,680 You get him hearing artists like Thelonious Monk or Bud Powell 50 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,200 and he instinctively knew that they had it down deep 51 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,240 and he could draw that ability out of them and get it on a record 52 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,960 and he did it by not talking about record sales and commercialism 53 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,840 and who the big names on the date, he never got into that. 54 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,040 He was interested in you and your thoughts 55 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:00,000 and getting you to have an unrestricted flow of your ideas 56 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,560 in his recordings. 57 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,240 Not many people have that and he never made a mistake. 58 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Out of over 1,000 records that Alfred produced 59 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 in the years that he had Blue Note, 60 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,320 easily 900-950 of them are classics. 61 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,640 MUSIC: Cantaloupe Island by Herbie Hancock 62 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,040 'Ladies and gentlemen...' 63 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,000 I'm Herbie Hancock and I'm a musician. 64 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,480 Oh, boy. 65 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,640 A jazz musician. 66 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,280 When I was a child and I first came to San Francisco, 67 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:03,080 Lee Morgan, Sidewinder, and Horace Silver, Song for My Father... 68 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,200 We call it Song for my father. 69 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,560 And, so, the music was like a diary of what was going on. 70 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,760 My name is Horace Silver 71 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,720 and I've recorded for the Blue Note record label for about 28 years 72 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,000 for Alfred Lions and Frank Wolff. 73 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,400 And on and on, you know, 74 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock 75 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,080 and all the people who recorded in Blue Note. 76 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,920 They would play on the radio along with Willie Nelson or Chuck Berry. 77 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Empyrean Isles, Herbie Hancock. 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,120 The Un Poco Loco. Lee-Way, Lee Morgan. 79 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Oh, Un Poco Loco. Bum-bum-ba! 80 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,120 Inventions & Dimensions. 81 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,120 ..Sonny Rollins to you. 82 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,000 One Step Beyond, Jackie McLean. 83 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,080 ..et Johnny Griffin aussi. 84 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,280 I am authentic. 85 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,840 John Arnold Griffin III. 86 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,280 Otherwise known as Volcano, 87 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:04,760 Vesuvius 88 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,840 or the Little Giant. 89 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,600 You know what they recognised? 90 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,040 They could recognise when something was grooving and when it wasn't. 91 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,200 The band must shring. 92 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,480 They couldn't dance. 93 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,240 They both had two left feet. 94 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,400 We must have shring-ing. 95 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,720 If something was grooving, you know, Frank would go like... 96 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,280 He would start doing his little two-step thing. 97 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:33,240 You know, and if he wasn't doing his dance, it wasn't grooving. 98 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,400 Yeah, I knew it from the beginning. When I first saw Alfred, 99 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,520 I was a disc-jockey on WLV in New York 100 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,760 and I walked into this place where I worked 101 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,240 and he was sitting there eating a hot sausage sandwich 102 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,000 and I said, "There's my life," 103 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,440 and he wouldn't look at me, hardly, for 11 years. 104 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,720 11 years. That was what he was doing, was that Blue Note 105 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,400 and it hurt, because I knew, you know, 106 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,040 but I spoke with a lot of musicians about it. 107 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,840 Women will not be, ever, as important as the music 108 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,360 and, if a woman thinks she can, she's kidding herself 109 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,200 because a guy who really loves the music, 110 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,480 that's where he's going to be. 111 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 MUSIC: Cantaloupe Island 112 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,720 APPLAUSE 113 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,400 When Hitler arrived on the scene, Alfred disappeared 114 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,200 because he was smart and he knew 115 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,840 there was trouble, abroad, 116 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,160 and so he left. 117 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,040 He came to this country, barely spoke English, 118 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,000 he was alone and he was self-sufficient 119 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 and he struggled, but he was terrific. 120 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,440 He brought Frank over later, after he had arrived here. 121 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,280 MUSIC: La Mesha by Joe Henderson 122 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,920 The negro 123 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,120 with the trumpet at his lips 124 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,320 has a head of vibrant hair, 125 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,320 tamed down, down, 126 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,600 patent-leathered now, 127 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,560 until it gleams like jet, 128 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:37,120 were jet a crown. 129 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,600 The music from the trumpet at his lips 130 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,440 is honey mixed with liquid fire. 131 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,000 The rhythm through the trumpet at his lips 132 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,320 is ecstasy 133 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,400 distilled from old desire. 134 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,680 Desire that is longing for the moon 135 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,320 where the moonlight's but a spotlight in his eyes, 136 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,280 desire that is longing for the sea 137 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,480 where the sea's a bar-glass 138 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,080 sucker size. 139 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,880 The negro with the trumpet at his lips 140 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,280 whose jacket has a fine one-button roll 141 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,160 does not know upon what riff the music slips 142 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,920 its hypodermic needle to his soul, 143 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:36,400 but, softly, as the tune comes from his throat, 144 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,840 trouble mellows in a golden note. 145 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,440 # Dee-bee di-bi 146 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,880 ♪ Bi-dee-dee-doo-dee. ♪ 147 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,320 Yes. 148 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,200 Baby, huh, what can happen? 149 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,800 I think Alfred started right when he recorded Ammons and Lewis. 150 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,000 He was just sort of like going with the trends 151 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,440 and he happened to discover two really quintessential musicians 152 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:34,240 in the process and that led him into a thing of capturing musicians 153 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,960 whose prime had been passed 154 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,280 but yet were still vibrant and moving forward. 155 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,680 Bechet, George Lewis, The Port of Harlem Jazzmen, 156 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,680 were sort of his first groups 157 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,600 that represented a kind of modernist approach, 158 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,840 and the Meade Lux Lewis Celeste Quartet. 159 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,600 It wasn't until he really, you know, was able to develop a following 160 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,760 with the label that he could take a chance on modern music. 161 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,320 This is the original recording, original pressing, 162 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,640 Sidney Bechet, Summertime, from 1940. 163 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,040 This was their first hit. 164 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,640 This is what created the cash flow that allowed Blue Note to continue. 165 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,320 It was like blood, like water, like air, you know? I mean... 166 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 'We'd like to do a brand-new thing for you, at this time, 167 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,880 'from our most recent Blue Note album.' 168 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,960 That's got it. 169 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,680 There was a whole thing... 170 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 That whole thing, that funky piano thing 171 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,040 that went down there for a minute, you know? 172 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Freddie Hubbard. Clifford Brown. 173 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Oh, Un Poco Loco. Bum-bum-ba! 174 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,000 I don't know that Alfred was an everyday, garden-variety German. 175 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,120 Unadulterated. Undiluted. Pure. 176 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:13,600 The real deal is all Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff were interested in. 177 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,320 ♪ Bu-dum-bu-dum-bu-dum da-da Bu-dum-bu-dum-bu-dum da-da. ♪ 178 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,520 What? I mean, every piano player I know, 179 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,760 sat down and tried to play that. I know I did! 180 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,680 MUSIC: Come On Everybody (Get Down) by Us3 181 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,560 No problem. Thank you for calling. Bye. 182 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,360 Hello, Vanguard. Can I help you? 183 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:24,720 Yes. Ron Carter will be here, two shows, 9:30 and 11:30. 184 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,680 Yes. You may, sir. Hold on one moment, please. 185 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Wait, wait, 9:30 or 11:30? 186 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,120 11:30, OK. Two people? 187 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:40,040 Monaco? 188 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,000 M-O-N-A-C-O? Spell. 189 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,680 That's what I said. Monaco. 190 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Very good, sir. So come at 11 o'clock. 191 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,840 Thank you. 192 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,080 When you come to the door, they'll seat you. 193 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,200 They'll give you the best seat in the house. OK? 194 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Bye. Oh, my goodness. 195 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,120 Luckily, I don't seat people. Anyway, there we are. 196 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,200 In New York, at our apartment, which was kind of cute, 197 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,080 right down here in the Village. 198 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,240 Yes, I was young. 199 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,960 I was about 17 or 18 when I met Alfred 200 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,680 but I used to listen to his records on the radio, 201 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,480 I didn't know who he was, and Alfred had called me once 202 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,880 and he had an office and he invited me up and I did go, 203 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,920 I brought a friend with me, 204 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,000 and we had to go to their apartment where there was nothing to eat, 205 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,080 two eggs in the fridge 206 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,760 and we cooked up the eggs, a little bread, a little cheese on the side. 207 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,040 They didn't have any money. They were very poor. 208 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,800 Anyway, the war came, the war, 209 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,960 and Alfred got drafted 210 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,680 and, then, he got shipped to Texas, El Paso, 211 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,520 and, of course, Alfred kept writing to me. 212 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Compton, Texas, and I... 213 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,440 My mother thought he was wonderful, by the way. 214 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,480 She said, "He's a wonderful guy". 215 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,720 Anyway, there we were in El Paso, Texas, 216 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,720 and Alfred and I got married. 217 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,920 That's a test pressing of a Blue Note record. 218 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,040 See, we used to get them from New York, 219 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,360 and we would listen to them in El Paso. 220 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,600 The record business was still in his mind and life, 221 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,400 even though he was in the army. 222 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,760 That's... Oh, and here's Alfred and Frank. 223 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,040 See, they were very good friends. 224 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,800 And here's Alfred and I. We had this crazy cat. 225 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,200 We called it Victor 226 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,560 because we got him on VE Day at the end of the war. 227 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,080 That cat was like my kid, you know? It was... 228 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,480 I really wanted children, but I had a cat. 229 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,440 It wasn't a terrible split-up, for that matter, 230 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,280 cos we liked each other an awful lot, 231 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,640 and Alfred loved me, and I was terribly fond of him. 232 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040 But the reasons are obscure, and as I say, 233 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,800 I don't intend to discuss my deepest personal life now. 234 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,240 TELEPHONE RINGS 235 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,040 Yes, Alfred? 236 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,200 Wh... Sorry, Vanguard. 237 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Hello? Oh, same person. 238 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,560 I just talked to you before. I'll see you later. Bye. 239 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,040 I don't know who it is. There's some strange people call. 240 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,560 APPLAUSE 241 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,320 What you doing? 242 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,400 MUSIC: The Sidewinder by Lee Morgan 243 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 My name is Louis A Donaldson, 244 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,000 better known to jazz fans as Lou Donaldson. 245 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Hey, Lou! Look at the hat! 246 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,920 Who do we have here? Mighty cool today. 247 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,600 Who do we have here? Grandpa! 248 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,720 Yeah, you... You're the grandchild. 249 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,040 What's happening, Grandpa? 250 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,960 MUSIC DROWNS SPEECH 251 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,080 Yeah, I'm on the games with the younger players. 252 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Got to get it going. 253 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,200 He's still there. He won't budge! THEY LAUGH 254 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,640 Blue Note helped me through some years. 255 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,280 My kids were young, 256 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,680 I was trying to establish myself in New York, 257 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:43,640 just generally, and so it came at a great time. 258 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,240 It was with a lot of great musicians, 259 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,680 so it was people that I didn't really work in their groups, 260 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,200 but just to know them. 261 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800 I mean, I'm sitting back like people looking, 262 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,560 saying "Well, I played with Tommy." 263 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,680 I mean...that was an honour. Yeah. 264 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,360 You know? Come on. That was... 265 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,960 So it was just an honour to be here, and I was a young bass player, and... 266 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,960 It fed my kids. 267 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,680 But you wanted to... 268 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,680 You knew you were not going to leave until that record date was through. 269 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,920 That's right. Yeah. If they had eight tunes or nine tunes... 270 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,480 You going to make nine tunes! 271 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720 You'd say, "Come on, let's get these nine tunes... 272 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,760 Let's get these nine tunes in and get out of here, 273 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,600 so I can go spend that cheque. You know? Let me go cash the cheque. 274 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,920 I mean... 275 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,680 Everything'll be closed if we don't hurry, you know? 276 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,960 And we would all go to a drugstore on 50th and Broadway... 277 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,080 That's correct! 278 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,960 ..that used to cash cheques, cos he paid us in cheque. 279 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,720 And we used to go and cash our cheques. Yes, yes. Yes. 280 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,120 And...for a long time... 281 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,600 See you, Bob! 282 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,920 That was really my survival. 283 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Actually, I was about 20 when I met him. 284 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,560 And then we got together, but Alfred, 285 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600 he always came around to the jam sessions, you know? 286 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,920 And then I was...at the time, 287 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,720 I was practising with Coltrane 288 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,840 and I was practising with Wayne Shorter. 289 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,880 But what was so great about Alfred was that Alfred... 290 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,760 He would talk to you about what you wanted to do. 291 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,320 The concept of what you were writing, 292 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,040 and he gave a lot of young people an opportunity to... 293 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,320 to experiment and write something different. You know? 294 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,920 It's not like it is today, where the record companies 295 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,720 will more or less tell you what is marketable and what's sellable, 296 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,840 so you end up writing something not necessarily coming from your heart. 297 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,240 But during those years, at Blue Note, 298 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,240 that period was a very creative period for me. 299 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,160 And after listening to all these albums, 300 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,560 people like Art Blakey and Sonny Rollins, 301 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,800 and to get an opportunity to meet these great people, 302 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000 and not only perform with them, but hang out and study... 303 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,920 I mean, that was the thrill of my life. 304 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,720 And Alfred was very responsible for all that, you know? 305 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,720 And he was funny. He said... 306 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,640 He would come to the sessions, he'd say... 307 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,200 MIMICS HIM: "Freddie is not groovy." 308 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840 HE LAUGHS "What do you mean, he's not groovy?" 309 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,200 If you were swinging, he wouldn't say a word. No. No. 310 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,680 But if you weren't... 311 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000 But if that stuff started bogging down... 312 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,840 MIMICS ALBERT: "Wait! Wait! Wait!" 313 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,360 HE DANCES ABOUT AND WAILS LAUGHTER 314 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,120 Sit down! Yes, he would! 315 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,200 He really loved the music, man, and I'll never forget him. 316 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,280 And when I got my first cheque... 317 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,880 I'll never forget, I bought two nice new suits, 318 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,200 and I bought a car, and... 319 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 But that's just part of it, you know? 320 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,240 They knew when it wasn't happening. Yeah. Boom! 321 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,440 I mean, if it didn't feel good... it HAD to feel good. 322 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,320 I mean, it had to have a direction. That I understood about him. 323 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,280 I used to laugh, cos, the beat was 2 and 4 324 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,120 and they would be popping on 1 and 3, but they knew... 325 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,000 But they knew we were going down! 326 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,080 ..that it didn't feel good. 327 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,960 You could tell when it was starting to gel and come together, 328 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,160 because pretty soon, little smiles was creeping across their faces. 329 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,240 And when it got this wide, it means things are really popping now, man. 330 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,800 He's going for take number one. 331 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,480 MUSIC: Chitlins Con Carne by Kenny Burrell 332 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,560 All Alfred wanted to do was go there knowing that the musicians 333 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,000 had rehearsed for the day, that he had put together what 334 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,400 he thought was the best combination of players for this band leader, 335 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,680 whoever that was, and that during the course of the day, 336 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,560 there'd be something he could relate to like this. 337 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,160 And by and large, all those sections of music recorded, 338 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,840 somehow on the record, there was some real swing going on. 339 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,720 Even in the ballad. 340 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,000 There was an Ike Quebec kind of ballad, you know, 341 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,960 or a Sam Rivers kind of ballad. There was some swing going on there. 342 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,680 That was Alfred's concern. 343 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,760 VOCALIST: We want to sock it to you for a couple of minutes there. 344 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,000 MACHINERY WHIRS AND RINGS 345 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,040 They'd be in the place a lot of times... 346 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 You wouldn't even know they were there. That's true. 347 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Unless you'd look around. 348 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,520 If you were just looking around the place, 349 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,920 "Oh, there's Al over there!" 350 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,960 He'd sit back laughing and listening. 351 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,160 You know? Yeah. Both of them. 352 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Oh, that was some good times up there. Yes, sir. 353 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,120 Every soul and his brother came up there. 354 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,160 Yeah, I met a lot of guys up there. Yeah. 355 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,080 They were in paradise. 356 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,840 Yes, right, uh-huh. 357 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,880 Big Nick. Mm-hm. Big Nick, yes. 358 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,720 Everybody used to come to those sessions. 359 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,120 You know, uh... Sonny... 360 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,800 Hey, well, man, you just name them, they were there. 361 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,680 That's correct. Every night. 362 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,880 You knew there would be something very interesting 363 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,720 that would hold your attention. 364 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,600 True, true. Every night. Seven nights a week. 365 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,960 The school that I came from, 366 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,280 from Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and... 367 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Of course, I mean, the business itself was controlled by whites. 368 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,480 If you wanted a gig or a job or whatever, 369 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,400 it was in the white places that you worked. 370 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,600 Only places that were controlled by blacks 371 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,520 were the clubs in Harlem prior to the... 372 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880 Just about the end of the Second World War, 373 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 when things became integrated. 374 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,960 Other than that, Small's Paradise and Murrain's and Minton's, 375 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720 these were all run by blacks. 376 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,320 MUSIC: Search For The New Land by Lee Morgan 377 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Well, this is the home of bebop. 378 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,920 This is the bebop laboratory, 379 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,520 and all of the great jazz musicians of the 1940s performed here, 380 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,640 and it was just a home of... 381 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,280 Of the beginning of the music, 382 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,840 where they experimented with new ideas and talked things out 383 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000 and worked on new songs, the ones that became classics. 384 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 And this is where it began, 385 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280 118th at Minton's. 386 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,800 THE place. 387 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,640 Historically speaking... 388 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:35,440 the music always was held in high esteem in black communities. 389 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,480 Hence, from Jelly Roll Morton on up into Louis Armstrong 390 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,240 and on up into Sidney Bechet and everybody else, the music was... 391 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,760 really, in the black community, always prevailed. 392 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Al Lion and them came into it cos it was fertile, it was popular, 393 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,160 and we had all the clubs uptown. It wasn't... 394 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,480 And we used to... New York and all the cities were separated. 395 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,240 There was white town and black town, and... 396 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,280 Black town was where black music was played. 397 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,600 Monk was a pianist who worked in Harlem. 398 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,080 The only claim to fame he had was, I think he wrote 399 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,440 'Round Midnight for Cootie Williams in 1941 400 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200 and Cootie Williams paid him a few bucks and put his name on it. 401 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,120 I've heard that story. I presume it's true. 402 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,680 But it was Alfred.... 403 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320 He had his monthly budget to do an album, 404 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,640 and the choice came down to Bud Powell or Thelonious Monk, 405 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280 and all of Alfred's friends said, 406 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,680 "Well, Bud Powell. You gotta record Bud Powell. 407 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600 "He really has a lot of technique, and he's really a pianist, 408 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000 "and Monk, I mean, nobody knows what he's doing. 409 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,920 "He writes these weird compositions, 410 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,600 "and he doesn't play technical piano." 411 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880 So Alfred's probably the only man in the world 412 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,600 that would have made the decision to record Thelonious Monk. 413 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,040 When I heard Epistrophy and Off Minor 414 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,440 and Thelonious and Four In One 415 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,560 and Eronel and all these things that Monk wrote, I mean, 416 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,440 I realised that a revolution was happening here. 417 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000 This was a man who doesn't think like any other musician 418 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,960 in all of musical history, let alone jazz, 419 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160 and Alfred had that good sense - 420 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320 not after the fact, but before the fact, 421 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480 before anyone else recognised his abilities, 422 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,920 to get in there and record him. 423 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Monk was a sideman with Coleman Hawkins, 424 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,560 and he was writing all this wonderful music, 425 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,000 but no-one was really paying that much attention, excepting Al Lion. 426 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,400 They seemed to be... 427 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,760 ..in a way, visionaries. 428 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,120 They saw something in these musicians of the future, 429 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,600 and so, their vision of holds hanging in there, 430 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,720 I think, paid off, historically, musically and creatively. 431 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,520 MUSIC: Boperation by The Howard McGhee and Fats Navarro Boptet 432 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,800 I'm Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and I'm a lifetime Blue Note fan. 433 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,080 Nice to see you. 434 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480 COMPERE: Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, 435 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,640 we have something special down here at Birdland this evening. 436 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,680 A recording for Blue Note Records. 437 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,080 When you applaud for the different passages, 438 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,000 your hands go right on the records there, 439 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,760 so when they play them over and over throughout the country, 440 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,280 you may be some place and say, 441 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,080 "Well, that's my hands on one of those records 442 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,640 "that I dug down at Birdland." 443 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000 We're bringing back to the bandstand at this time, 444 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,160 ladies and gentlemen, the great Art Blakey and his wonderful group, 445 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,080 featuring the new trumpet sensation Clifford Brown. 446 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,120 Horace Silver's on piano, Lou Donaldson on alto, 447 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,920 Curly Russell is on bass. 448 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,480 Let's get together and bring Art Blakey to the bandstand 449 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,160 with a great, big round of applause. 450 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,920 How about a big hand now for Art Blakey? 451 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,520 APPLAUSE Thank you! 452 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,920 With the help of Ike Quebec, 453 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,840 they sought out the most creative artists 454 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,120 and gave them the Blue Note treatment. 455 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Care, planning 456 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,840 and quality at every level. 457 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,880 1947, they recorded Bud Powell, 458 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880 whose tortured life would later affect his work. 459 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,240 MUSIC SUDDENLY STOPS 460 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,400 Would you say that the basic of jazz is blues? 461 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,040 MUSIC: Politely by Art Blakey 462 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,400 They set a standard. 463 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,840 It was always a high standard, whether it was the recording 464 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,360 or the presentation, 465 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,040 the materials used to press the records... 466 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,400 And this went from the 78 era to the LP. 467 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,480 And it was always quality. 468 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,960 My name is Max Roach and I'm a new Blue Note artist. 469 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,880 And... 470 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,080 KNOCK AT DOOR 471 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640 ..someone has knocked on the door... 472 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,760 Second sticks. 473 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,880 Hi, this is Taj Mahal and I'm just enjoying myself, 474 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,560 dealing with the opportunity to reminisce 475 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,080 about music from the Blue Note years. 476 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,600 Hello once more. 477 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,600 For those of you who aren't familiar with me, my name is Max Roach. 478 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,920 I'm a percussionist, composer... 479 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,000 father, 480 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,600 friend... 481 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,120 of the Blue Note... 482 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,800 ..family... 483 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,720 Ah, what the BLEEP am I saying? 484 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,560 Jesus Christ. 485 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440 It's... It's very quiet out in the hallway... 486 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,080 HE LAUGHS 487 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,480 How you can tell a pressing or not is a little indentation. 488 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080 You can tell how close to the original pressing you are 489 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,840 by an ear which is just slightly marked on the pressing. 490 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,400 You see our friendly ear, you see all the information on the record. 491 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,720 See on here, Rudy Van Gelder's name on the early ones. 492 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,120 He was the guy who did all the mastering. 493 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,240 So the plant could look at this and go, 494 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,440 "Oh, Rudy Van Gelder has the mastering, 495 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,680 "this is a first pressing. Blue Note LP1515, Side A." 496 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,360 So that's how they used to make them and manufacture them with identities. 497 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,880 Alfred was very reluctant to meet Rudy Van Gelder, 498 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,320 and especially when I told him 499 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,280 that Rudy had built a studio in his house. 500 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,840 His living room became the studio, 501 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,680 and he knocked out the wall between the bedroom and the living room 502 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,560 and put in a couple of panes of glass, 503 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,440 and he had the Ampex in there and a mixing board. 504 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160 And Alfred went out there, looked around 505 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,720 and Rudy played some things for him and showed him how it all worked. 506 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:20,160 And Alfred came out and he went, "Yeah, yeah, we do the things here." 507 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,520 Hello. I am Rudy Van Gelder and I make jazz records. 508 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,000 I think they were totally involved with the sound of the records 509 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,560 they wanted to make...and the music they wanted to record and... 510 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,160 ..let people hear it. 511 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,320 It was, I think... 512 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,000 One word that would describe it 513 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,320 was they wanted to communicate that music to other people. 514 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680 Everything was directed into that. 515 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,760 As I look at it, from the historical point of view, 516 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:56,600 their importance is the fact that they documented something that 517 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,680 perhaps nobody else really wanted or did at that particular time. 518 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,760 That was their importance. 519 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,720 We wouldn't have had all that wonderful music of Horace Silver's 520 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,640 and we wouldn't have had that imagination that Art Blakey 521 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,200 expresses in his music. 522 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600 It's just something very special. 523 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,760 It's a music that grew out of the black experience. 524 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,640 Jazz speaks about the human condition. 525 00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,160 It's an expression of the capacity for human beings to take 526 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,840 adverse circumstances and turn them into medicine. 527 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,400 We are three things. Animal, human, divinity, which is light. 528 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,240 The resonance, which is music, unites the animal 529 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,560 and the human to the light. We have light in our bodies. 530 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,160 We have eternal energy in our bodies, beyond the molecule. 531 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,120 We call it inspiration, we call it vision. 532 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,920 We call it things that we cannot touch, taste or feel. 533 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,680 It translates to faith. 534 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,040 You know, there's no music more conducive to healing 535 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,120 and soldering back the molecule with the light other than 536 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,240 John Coltrane, that I know of on this planet. 537 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,360 Coltrane made one album for Blue Note. 538 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,720 And that album was Blue Train. 539 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,040 And what Blue Train really does is...it's absolutely a perfect 540 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,080 example of what sets Blue Note off from everything else that was 541 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,840 going on during that time. 542 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,160 As great as John Coltrane's output was on Prestige, there was 543 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,800 nothing that really approached Blue Train. 544 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,800 Well, you know, we have to start somewhere. 545 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:02,920 I heard Naima on a Cherokee commercial and it sounded fantastic. 546 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,720 I couldn't care whether it was selling anything. 547 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,800 Just the song sounded so beautiful coming out of the television. 548 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,560 Whether it's a hip-hop beat and Coltrane on top, it don't matter. 549 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,240 They just have to get it. 550 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:06,040 When I first heard about Blue Note, it was actually when I was a kid. 551 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,960 I was about ten years old. 552 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:14,160 My father had a massive collection of Blue Note records and, you know, 553 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,720 I didn't know what jazz was, 554 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,600 I didn't know what Blue Note was. 555 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520 Then when I went over to London in 1990... 556 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,040 ..and I saw people dancing to Art Blakey. I was like, "What is this?" 557 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:35,080 I mean, it was this total culture shock for me, even though 558 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,640 it was, you know, my culture. 559 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,440 I mean, I grew up with it, but I was ignorant of it. And... 560 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,840 You know, I hear people talking about how they sample 561 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,080 the Blue Note things and so forth. 562 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,800 Cos it was a company that, on any given album, 563 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,440 there was always something that just groove you out. 564 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,960 You didn't leave unless... Something was swinging on it, 565 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,400 and you were not going to leave this place. 566 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,600 And therefore, it was a different period. You really felt like... 567 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,920 ..you know, the music had a nice feeling. 568 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,240 It was still dance music at that time, 569 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,000 which the three of us came through. 570 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,320 At our age, the music was danceable. 571 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,800 So, a jazz group... 572 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,920 You could go on at the club, and the people would be dancing. 573 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,120 There were listeners, 574 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,360 but if it didn't feel good, your butt was out of there. 575 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,120 # Yo, check it out, I got a hype rhyme for ya 576 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,240 # That I'll rock from London, England, to the boondocks of Georgia 577 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,240 # Intelligent, benevolent, super 578 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,000 # All the qualities of H-I-C, the alley-ooper 579 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520 # My main man and me, we've been cool since day one 580 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,000 ♪ Scooping all the fly girls, having all the fun... ♪ 581 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,560 My hope is that some of the young folks out here who hear 582 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,880 some of these samplings will say to themselves, "Well, what was that?" 583 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,280 Or "Who was that? Oh, that's Horace Silver. 584 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,320 "Let me check out some of his recordings and see how well I..." 585 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,520 Maybe they'll say that about Herbie Hancock 586 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,440 and about Stanley Turrentine, 587 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,480 and Donald Byrd and all the different tracks that they're using 588 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,280 from these guys. Maybe they'll go and check out the original. 589 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,040 And, who knows, eventually we might pull some of them in 590 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,240 as jazz fans, you know? 591 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,960 And it's just so fortunate that the person who happened 592 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,560 to be on the scene for the recording sessions of such a major, 593 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,600 major body of work happened to be a master artist in his own right. 594 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,400 And he was able to document this photographically, 595 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:48,320 almost at the level of the music that was being created. 596 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:54,120 It's just a phenomenal coming together of two art forms, 597 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,560 at a level that is rarely achieved. 598 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,120 APPLAUSE 599 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,360 Whoa! You know, they're all... 600 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,760 All of them, they really give a very high quality. 601 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,720 It's almost like these people who have the 602 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,320 cameras are looking at royalty. 603 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,640 You know what I mean? 604 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,720 It's just like a photograph like that. 605 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:44,960 This is somebody who saw the musician for what he was doing. 606 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,440 I mean, that energy! When you look at that picture, 607 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,760 the horn's blowing at you. 608 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,680 You can hear it. You know, you can feel the person's energy, you know? 609 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,840 My name is William Claxton. 610 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,560 I'm a photographer and I'm best known for my jazz images. 611 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,520 CAMERA SHUTTER SNAPS 612 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,520 I wasn't aware of Francis Wolff's pictures until... 613 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,040 ..I guess the mid-'50s, really. 614 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,360 But once I started seeing Francis Wolff's 615 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,040 pictures on Blue Note, I became very much aware of them, 616 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,400 because he definitely had a look going. 617 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,520 And I think the look was definitely his look. 618 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,800 And what I first noticed about his look 619 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,920 was the seemingly simple lighting 620 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,600 he always had of a single flash. 621 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,600 And the pictures were usually quite sharp, 622 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,200 and the backgrounds were always black. And he caught great moments. 623 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,960 But that was his look, I think. 624 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,360 And he was consistent all the way through. 625 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,520 We would walk down 57th Street and pass the Museum of Modern Art. 626 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,520 And I'd say, "Frank, your photographs need to be in there." You know? 627 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,960 Well, he didn't think so! 628 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:33,080 Alfred could not have survived artistically or business-wise 629 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,000 or as in friendship without Frank. 630 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,880 They were like Siamese twins except that they were separated. You know? 631 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,440 But somehow joined spiritually. 632 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,640 So the Blue Note story is a very wonderful story of friendship, 633 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,280 of loyalty, of being involved in a great endeavour. 634 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,360 And I think every musician that was lucky enough to 635 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,520 get on Blue Note was really happy about it. 636 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,320 1961, when I first went to New York from Chicago with 637 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,920 Donald Byrd Pepper Adams Quintet, Donald Byrd became my roommate. 638 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,720 One time when he said to me, "OK, Herbie, it's time for you to 639 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,120 "make your own record." I said, "What?!" And I said, "No, Donald, 640 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,520 "I'm not ready, Donald. I'm not ready." And he said, "Yes, you are. 641 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,800 "Here's what you do." He said, 642 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,800 "Call up Alfred," - meaning Alfred Lion. 643 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,880 "Tell him that, you know, you're ready to do your own thing." 644 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,880 So I went in there with three tunes and he really liked them. 645 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,640 And I got ready to play the blues and two standards and he says, 646 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,640 "No, why don't you write three more originals?" 647 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,440 I said... 648 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,520 I was stunned. 649 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,440 I said, "Sure, Alfred." 650 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,560 So my first album under my own name, 651 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,440 six original tunes. I mean, they never do that. 652 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,800 Actually, one of the tunes was Watermelon Man. 653 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,960 I think he says that it was a tune that could really become popular. 654 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,200 Alfred had a very unique situation. 655 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,760 He had complete autonomy, because it was a small label. 656 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,600 There were no A&R men. 657 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,440 There was no art department, there was no shipping department. 658 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,520 There was Alfred and Frank. That was it. 659 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,120 When he needed an engineer, he went over to Rudy's place. 660 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,560 When he needed his accounting done, he hired an accountant. 661 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,480 But Alfred made the decisions. 662 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200 And what you are witnessing in those 1,000-odd records that 663 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,280 Alfred made is one man's personal taste, 664 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,760 his idea of what he thought was right and true. 665 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,520 He was so driven by artists he heard. 666 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,760 And even when he first recorded Bud Powell, 667 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,240 or later when he recorded Herbie Hancock, I mean, 668 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,680 these were unknown musicians, but he heard something that excited him. 669 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,440 And he could not NOT record them. 670 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,480 There was absolutely no financial consideration in what he did. 671 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,120 He recorded what he felt and what he loved, 672 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,480 and some of it sold a lot, and a lot of it sold nothing. 673 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,840 But we owe him a great debt for the music he documented, 674 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,960 which is some of the music that is still being 675 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,600 used as a model by young artists today. 676 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,800 I think that, you know, Blue Note is going through... 677 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,160 It seems to have gone through some really interesting changes. 678 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,520 Recently, there's been more of a concentration on vocalists. 679 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,560 And maybe it's following a certain trend in the music. 680 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,280 There was a time when the vocalists imitated the instrumentalists. 681 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,200 And now, perhaps, we're getting to, once again - in a cycle - you know, 682 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,560 getting to a point in the music where 683 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:22,320 the instrumentalists are listening to the vocalists. 684 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760 # A little warm death 685 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,440 # A little warm death won't hurt you, no 686 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,880 # Come on, relax with me 687 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,120 # Let me take away your physicality 688 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,280 # One little warm death comin' up One little warm death with me tonight 689 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,960 # A little sweet death 690 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,120 # Momentary breathlessness 691 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,480 # Feels like eternity 692 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,920 # There's nobody here but you and me 693 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,000 # Oh, one little warm death comin' 'round 694 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,080 # A little warm death with me tonight 695 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:23,400 # In and out of stages With the phases of the moon 696 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,960 # It can shine so brightly 697 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,520 # Let the fullness soon come soon, come soon 698 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,320 # Now I feel you near me 699 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,800 # See you much more clearly 700 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,560 # I can hardly wait to Feel you movin' through my world, oh, my world 701 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,320 ♪ Isn't deep without you. ♪ 702 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,760 All of a sudden, 703 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,800 in 1954 or 1955, erm, 704 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,440 Columbia introduced the 12-inch LP, which... 705 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,880 In other words, the average playing time of the side would 706 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,400 go from 12 minutes to 20 minutes. And... 707 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,720 Suddenly, their whole catalogue that they had worked 708 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,960 so hard to stay in business to generate, was obsolete. 709 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,080 Stores were converting to the 12-inch LP. 710 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,240 And at this point, Alfred almost threw in the towel. 711 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,360 He actually was entertaining offers. 712 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,160 There was an offer from a company that was 713 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,320 so embarrassingly low that Alfred decided to fight it out. 714 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,360 And stick with Blue Note and fortunately he did because, 715 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,200 erm, two very important things happened. 716 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,960 Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers and later, 717 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,840 the Horace Silver Quintet. 718 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,240 MUSIC: Song For My Father by Horace Silver Quintet 719 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,200 APPLAUSE 720 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,160 A lot of the other guys that grew up in those days, 721 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,640 great musicians and they made great records, 722 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,440 but they didn't get involved in the WHOLE record. 723 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,520 They got involved in the music only. 724 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,160 Which is all right, you know? They produced some great music. 725 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,320 After that, they said, "OK, Alfred, you got it. 726 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,920 "You got the liner notes, you got the photograph on the cover, 727 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,400 "you got the graphics, you got the rest of it, you know? I did my part. 728 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,320 "So, you got the rest of it." But I wasn't like that. 729 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,720 I went to them, I said, "Look, I would like to be involved in the whole project." 730 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,720 You know, not just after the music, you know, 731 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,880 I'd like to sit down and talk about who we're going to get to write 732 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,400 these liner notes, is it going to be Leonard Feather? 733 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,480 Is it going to be somebody else? Who's going to do the graphics? 734 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,680 Let me see 'em before you print 'em, you know? 735 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,960 And let me check out, make sure everything is right. 736 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,600 And let's pick the photos you're going to use cos I don't want to wind up seeing photos 737 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,960 that I don't like of myself on an album cover, you know? 738 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,440 And so, we worked hand-in-hand together, with every phase of the thing. 739 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,480 Everything I know about making a record today, I learned from Alfred Lion. 740 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,960 And he allowed me to learn from him, you know? 741 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,760 MUSIC ENDS ON BASS PIANO NOTE 742 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,040 APPLAUSE 743 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,520 Thank you! Thank you very much. 744 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,600 What people don't realise today is that the difference between 78s 745 01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,920 and LPs is cover art. 746 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,560 You make a 78, you put it in a brown envelope and, boom, 747 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,320 you have a record. 748 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,640 Erm, once you come to the LP era, even the 10-inch LP era, 749 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,560 with three or four songs on a side, 750 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,000 not only do you have more recording costs, 751 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,720 but even if you're reissuing stuff that you already own, 752 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,440 suddenly you have art costs. 753 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,680 You have to create a front cover, write liner notes, 754 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,200 create a back cover. 755 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,560 And it became a far more expensive business to be in. 756 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,040 WOMAN: The day that that guy walked in there, Blue Note changed. 757 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:54,120 Erm, the one thing about working with Blue Note is that it gave him 758 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,920 the freedom and the creativity that he was 759 01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,160 lacking in the advertising industry, 760 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,040 to be able to go in on the weekend and to allow 761 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,800 and just play with type and do all these wonderful creative 762 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,600 things that would be key to the look of Blue Note records. 763 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,240 I like the fact that, I know it's not supposed to 764 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,480 matter that much, but the records always LOOKED so good. 765 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,280 Sometime I just look at the covers, I pull out my Blue Note stuff 766 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,760 and I just look at the covers just to get a vibe. 767 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,240 I don't even have to listen to the records. 768 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,360 This is a classic cover. 769 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,280 It's Time, Jackie McLean. 770 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,480 And the music inside is really reflective. 771 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,480 I mean when you put it on, you feel the urgency. You feel the... 772 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,400 The movement of the record itself, 773 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,040 and when you look at the cover, it just seems to work so well. Great! 774 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,440 He played with the words, he'd play... 775 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,240 He'd take Frank's pictures 776 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,600 and crop through the head, which Frank absolutely hated. 777 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,560 Erm, you know, he did some wonderful things with those pictures. 778 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,600 And they used to have terrible fights about it. Screaming fights, 779 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,120 where Reid was screaming 780 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,120 and Frank was screaming and Alfred was screaming. 781 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,480 But they got the cover through. 782 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,960 They got the cover through that the three of them wanted. 783 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,840 It was always a compromise because maybe Reid was just 784 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,720 so terribly daring for his time. 785 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,000 Freddie Roach did a record, here's one called Mo' Greens Please. 786 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,160 Which is an expression you would say to somebody and say, 787 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,360 "Hey, gimme some mo' greens," you know, "Give me some more food." 788 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,720 So, here he is in front of the place, 789 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,480 I think in New Jersey, where he enjoys eating food, 790 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,600 asking the woman to give him some Mo' Greens. 791 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,840 This is Tony Williams, Spring. 792 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,360 It is just a simple orange on white. 793 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,200 But it's a beautiful, simple concept. 794 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,080 And on the back, very little information. 795 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,400 But it's sort of like a minimalist, it's almost haiku. 796 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,960 And he had pretty well developed this entire look 797 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:07,680 and changed the way that jazz albums in particular were viewed. 798 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,560 I mean the graphics and everything else. 799 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,560 It went way beyond anything that was happening at the time. 800 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,200 And here's a great one, The Three Sounds, It Just Got To Be. 801 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,200 Three. 802 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,600 Those early covers, they've been copied all over the world. 803 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,800 A Caddy For Daddy. 804 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,720 The funny part is that he wasn't really into jazz! 805 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,720 He'd take all of the album covers that they would give him and 806 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,680 he'd go down to the music store and trade 'em for classical records. 807 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:44,880 'Turn loose them chitlins, baby, cos daddy want a breeze boogaloo.' LAUGHTER 808 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,000 If you walk out of your house in the morning 809 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,080 and there are diamonds everywhere in the garden and you've seen them 810 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,840 since you were a child, you wouldn't even pick one up. 811 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,680 It doesn't mean a thing. You're surrounded by them. 812 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,640 It's sort of always been there. Always not important. 813 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,800 But Europe didn't have that. THIS is where jazz started. In THIS country. 814 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,440 And because they were outsiders looking in 815 01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:13,600 and they didn't have people of the calibre of Louis Armstrong 816 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,280 and Dizzy and Bird, they recognised it immediately. 817 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,960 Because for them to access the music, it was a lot more difficult. 818 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,040 You had to wait maybe until next year, when one of these people came 819 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,680 back to Europe again, or maybe two years or three years. 820 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,920 I mean, you had to be a devotee. 821 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,440 Here, Americans took so much for granted, 822 01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:33,680 it was just sort of part of the landscape. 823 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,800 No-one realised that in the days that Alfred started 824 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,120 and maybe he was in business 20 years before people came to realise 825 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,800 that jazz was not only an art form, 826 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,920 but America's ONLY original art form. 827 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,800 And it still is. 828 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,160 LONG, DISCORDANT JAZZ NOTES PLAY 829 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,720 You know what? It's really fascinating 830 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,440 because only in Europe, erm, 831 01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,680 people had reverence and respect for this kind of music. 832 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,640 In America, they wouldn't know with a baseball bat, 833 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,120 if they hit it with a baseball bat, what it is, you know? 834 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,560 We are very ignorant to our own art. 835 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,160 I think that Miles and Charlie Parker and Duke Ellington, 836 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:31,200 these are our Beethovens, you know, and someday, America will wake up. 837 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,440 There was a condescending attitude toward it because the people 838 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,800 who enjoyed it the most were not part of the dominant culture. 839 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,840 Whether they liked it or not, jazz became part of the dominant culture 840 01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,680 and became an emblem of America, of... 841 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,840 ..what happens when artistic licence is just allowed, you know, 842 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,080 it's like you just throw the seeds on the ground and see what happens. 843 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,240 DISCORDANT JAZZ NOTES END 844 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,160 TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: 845 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,520 IMPROVISATION 846 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,600 BASS AND DRUMS JOIN IN, APPLAUSE 847 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,240 The reason than Europeans could see something in jazz 848 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,880 and Americans couldn't, is the fact that anything that 849 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,160 blacks in America have created 850 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:13,080 or tried to offer to the culture at large 851 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:18,600 has always been, erm, minimised and ridiculed. 852 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,880 DRUM SOLO 853 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,000 For white people in America, erm, they could only see jazz as 854 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,360 bordello music because that is the only time they ever encountered it. 855 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,160 And that image stuck. 856 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,480 So, erm, people from Europe, 857 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,920 who did not have the racist bias of Americans, 858 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,160 could come and see something that was incredibly creative and artistic 859 01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,960 and they saw an opportunity to exploit it commercially. 860 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,400 And in doing so, helped a lot of these artists survive. 861 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,680 If it was not for them, 862 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,360 it might have always been thought of as bordello music. 863 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,080 I'm mad about all this! 864 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,120 CHANTING: You got it! You got it! 865 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,520 I have a right to be upset about this! 866 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,400 UPBEAT JAZZ INSTRUMENTAL PLAYS 867 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,600 And that brought revolution into jazz. 868 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,920 It brought the personal statement, 869 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,960 irregardless of how the press 870 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,600 was going to respond, erm, 871 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,200 what the standards of norm were supposed to be, 872 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,480 into the music, you know? Charlie Parker was mad. 873 01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:56,360 Amiri Baraka's play, Dutchman, 874 01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,040 has a great monologue where he talks about, he said that 875 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,240 if Charlie Parker had went out and killed the 876 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,400 first ten white people he saw, he wouldn't need to play a note! 877 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,240 It was a way of dealing with his anger. 878 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,680 It was a way of taking that anger and releasing it, 879 01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,600 so that the world could understand it. 880 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,600 And that's what Bop brought. 881 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,520 This is the United States of America. 882 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,480 Mr James Moody... 883 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,560 HE PLAYS FLUTE OVER UP-TEMPO JAZZ 884 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,000 You remember when THEY started, the United States was very prejudiced. 885 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,160 This was before civil rights came through and for them 886 01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,840 to put a black artist on the COVER? 887 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,120 I mean... 888 01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,760 Alfred said he didn't care, he was... "That's, that's what's going to go there." 889 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,320 They said, "Put a pretty girl on it," he said, 890 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,320 "No, no we're not going to do that. 891 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:10,240 "We're going to put Art Blakey, or Hank Mobley or Blue Mitchell..." 892 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,880 Or anybody that he wanted to promote. 893 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,760 Alfred Lion and Frank Wolff created Blue Note in 1939, 894 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:23,080 with nothing more and nothing less than their own great imaginations. 895 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:28,360 After eight years of innovative mainstream recording 896 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,120 of people like Sidney Bechet, Edmond Hall, Meade "Lux" Lewis 897 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:38,200 and many others, they were ready to deal with the avant-garde of that day. 898 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,640 Bebop. 899 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,040 The first bebop band, of course, 900 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,240 Billy Eckstine, 901 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,840 which had Dizzy Gillespie, 902 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,640 Charlie Parker, Fats Navarro, 903 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,800 Miles, Sonny Stitt... 904 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,280 Billy Eckstine's band was playing at the Club Sudan on 125th Street, 905 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,240 which, I didn't know that club. But I wanted to go. 906 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,160 It was a Sunday afternoon and I, for some reason or another, 907 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,600 I didn't get there. 908 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,280 And that was the day that Alfred Lion met Art Blakey, 909 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,000 who was the drummer with Billy Eckstine's band. 910 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,040 And Alfred has talked about this 911 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,400 because they developed a friendship 912 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,600 and of course Blakey did his most 913 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,120 significant recording on Blue Note. 914 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,560 The Jazz Messengers were really, 915 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,720 were developed on Blue Note. 916 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,680 UP-TEMPO DRUM SOLO 917 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,040 He WAS Blue Note, Art Blakey. He recorded for other companies. 918 01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,680 He did a lot of European recording too, by the way, I'm sure you're knowing. 919 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,400 But...Art was like Alfred's brother. 920 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,320 He had a few brothers and sons. 921 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,560 And he was like that. They had such a rapport, it was just, 922 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,960 you just, I felt glorious when I was with those two guys. 923 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,480 That particular sound, which was the black sound, 924 01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:23,960 I guess that was what he was listening for. 925 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:29,280 He might have in his soul been black. 926 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:34,600 He didn't know what it was to be a white or black, 927 01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,720 or Chinese or Japanese or anything like that, 928 01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,840 he just saw people as people. 929 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,000 MUSIC: Moanin' by Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers 930 01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,840 Freddie and I were friends. And... 931 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,360 He had this old big tape recorder... 932 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,520 ..and Jimmy Smith had given him this reel-to-reel tape 933 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,200 of something he had done live in a club in Atlantic City. 934 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:53,160 And Freddie said, you've got to hear this organ player. He's incredible. 935 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,160 And the tapes were rather raw and the sound was crackly. 936 01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,920 But you could hear that Jimmy Smith was the young genius. 937 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,600 And I was with Prestige at the time. 938 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,840 And I said to Bob Weinstock, "You've GOT to sign this guy. He's... 939 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,080 "You know, he's the next thing." 940 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,480 And I only suggested TWO things in my life to Bob Weinstock. 941 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:17,240 Jimmy Smith and Bill Cosby. And he didn't pick up on either of them. 942 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,680 Jimmy Smith, I think the very next week was snapped up by Alfred Lion. 943 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,160 Nobody had ever created a modern, 944 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,480 clean sound with bebop and blues 945 01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,160 and everything that Jimmy Smith put into it like he did 946 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,080 and he was a very serious guy, 947 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:41,320 he had spent a year... He rented a warehouse, leased an organ 948 01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,160 and just spent a year, every day of his life, 949 01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,320 just working out on the organ. 950 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,360 And so when he came to New York, he was like, fully grown 951 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,160 as an artist and an astonishingly exciting one. 952 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:58,680 What happened was Alfred was in one of those absolutely 953 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,280 exhilarated moods and I thought, 954 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,440 "Gee, he's off his rocker." 955 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:07,440 He said, "You know, I'm going to sell Blue Note." 956 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:11,920 I say, "Yeah?" "I'm going to sell Blue Note and I'm going to go 957 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,040 "with Jimmy Smith as his road manager 958 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,520 "so I can hear him every night." 959 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,880 He was absolutely ecstatic. 960 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,800 You know, Jimmy was coming through with all these sounds that 961 01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,640 nobody had ever heard before and he never lost that... 962 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,160 happy enjoyment and, of course, 963 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,360 the other side of happiness is the sadness. 964 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,440 Jimmy got so big and the company, 965 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,520 which had been a very tiny little company, 966 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,560 then became a bigger company with Jimmy Smith 967 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,440 and it attracted a LOT of attention. 968 01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:51,800 And I won't name names, but some great big record company came 969 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,600 and took Jimmy away and that was a sad day at Blue Note. 970 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:05,040 How are you? Fine, and you today? Fine, thank you. Mm-hmm. 971 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,000 Alfred, when he first recorded, he wasn't recording 972 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,920 compositions, he wasn't coming out of a European classical background, 973 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,080 he was looking for blues, for very soulful blues. 974 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,880 And, really, what... 975 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,440 happened was that... 976 01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:31,120 his organic feeling for music that moved him 977 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:37,800 and his compulsive, intellectual side met and that, after all, 978 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,960 is the basic ingredients of jazz. 979 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,280 And that's, I think, why a lot of musicians describe Alfred 980 01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,440 and Frank as being different. 981 01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:56,120 "They were one of us," 982 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,960 is the common phrase that you hear from musicians, 983 01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,520 they really understood what we were doing 984 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,360 and what they really understood was that jazz was something 985 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:14,120 where the mind, the intellect and the soul and the feet got together. 986 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,160 And that's really what musicians were projecting. 987 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,280 And that's really what Alfred was all about 988 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,600 and that's why Blue Note can record Herbie Nichols 989 01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,880 and Blue Note can also record Song For My Father 990 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,720 and The Sidewinder. It's all the same thing. 991 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:38,920 The Blue Note era and Alfred Lion and Francis Wolff ended in 1966 992 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,760 when Alfred Lion decided to sell the company to Liberty Records. 993 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,760 With his wife Ruth, Alfred Lion retired to Mexico 994 01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,120 and began a new life. 995 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,280 Francis Wolff died in 1972. 996 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,480 In 1981, jazz producer Michael Cuscuna started to reissue 997 01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:02,400 the most important Blue Note recordings. 998 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,720 His partner Charlie Laurie began to publish 999 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,720 the enormous work of Francis Wolff. 1000 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,880 In 1985, the major Blue Note artists joined for the legendary 1001 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,240 Town Hall Concert. 1002 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,360 The Blue Note label was reborn in 1986 1003 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,040 under the direction of Bruce Lundvall. 1004 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,440 Alfred Lion died in 1987. 83650

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