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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:36,658 --> 00:00:41,658 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:54,236 --> 00:01:04,211 One can't help but notice the rhythms of-or the pulse that was here, that is here, been here. 3 00:01:04,213 --> 00:01:08,384 The feel of Native American is in a lot of rock 'n' roll. 4 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:17,256 A lot of R&B musicians and blues musicians talked about having Native blood. 5 00:01:17,258 --> 00:01:20,327 The one group that hasn't really been investigated 6 00:01:20,329 --> 00:01:23,265 in terms of their contribution is the Native Americans. 7 00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:45,051 It's interesting how much of the Native American element just filters through. 8 00:01:47,222 --> 00:01:49,857 The mixture of cultures; you never know what's gonna come with it. 9 00:01:49,859 --> 00:01:53,327 And from that sometimes it's very interesting artistic things happen, you know? 10 00:01:53,329 --> 00:01:57,898 From Charlie Patton to Link Wray; Robbie Robertson invented the genre. 11 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:01,434 Jimi Hendrix, the best in his field, you know; Jesse Ed Davis, everybody wanted him. 12 00:02:01,436 --> 00:02:03,003 Well, that's interesting isn't it? 13 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:10,444 Our peoples were part of the origin story of blues and jazz and rock of American music, 14 00:02:10,446 --> 00:02:14,113 but we're left out of the story consistently from the beginning. 15 00:02:16,851 --> 00:02:21,554 Figuring out that these people were Indians and then we started to ask ourselves 16 00:02:21,556 --> 00:02:23,022 why didn't anyone else know that? 17 00:02:29,999 --> 00:02:32,064 It's an American story. 18 00:02:32,066 --> 00:02:35,903 It's a human story; don't break it apart. 19 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:38,905 Pay the respect that is due. 20 00:03:18,113 --> 00:03:20,514 It was that-the sound of that guitar is the key. 21 00:03:20,516 --> 00:03:23,353 Link Wray and that aggression. 22 00:03:27,488 --> 00:03:34,861 The sound of his guitar embodied all my aspirations. 23 00:03:34,863 --> 00:03:37,029 It was the sound of freedom. 24 00:03:37,031 --> 00:03:38,564 Link Wray. 25 00:03:38,566 --> 00:03:41,000 Oh, boy. I've wanted to meet you for a long time. 26 00:03:41,002 --> 00:03:43,503 There might not be a Who were there no Link Wray; 27 00:03:43,505 --> 00:03:47,140 there might not be a Jeff Beck Group... were there no Link Wray. 28 00:03:47,142 --> 00:03:51,378 There might not be a Led Zeppelin if there were no Link Wray. 29 00:03:51,380 --> 00:03:56,048 Pete Townsend thought Link Wray was one of the great guitar players of all time, 30 00:03:56,050 --> 00:03:59,288 that this guy had invented the power chord. 31 00:04:02,992 --> 00:04:07,159 Pete made it new; he put more colour on it, put more weight on it. 32 00:04:07,161 --> 00:04:09,395 Turned it into I Can See For Miles. 33 00:04:31,353 --> 00:04:42,596 ♪ I was born down in the country Down where the cotton grows ♪ 34 00:04:42,598 --> 00:04:48,368 This is Jim Pewter with, uh, Link and, uh, Black River Swamp is, uh, really a nice tune. 35 00:04:48,370 --> 00:04:51,037 You know that's about a place where I was born, down in North Carolina. 36 00:04:51,039 --> 00:04:52,005 - Oh, yeah? - Yeah. 37 00:04:52,007 --> 00:04:53,173 I'm from North Carolina. 38 00:04:53,175 --> 00:04:55,008 And I'm out in the country of Dunn. 39 00:04:55,010 --> 00:04:57,277 And Dunn's a real small place but I lived in the country 40 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,645 in this place called Black River. 41 00:04:58,647 --> 00:05:01,214 ♪ There's a place down in the country. ♪ 42 00:05:01,216 --> 00:05:07,587 ♪ Where the pine trees grow so tall ♪ 43 00:05:07,589 --> 00:05:11,258 And they struggled; they were very poor 44 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:14,126 and I'm sure he probably fished in the pond 45 00:05:14,128 --> 00:05:16,729 to try to get food because, 46 00:05:16,731 --> 00:05:19,366 um, you know it was-times were really rough. 47 00:05:19,368 --> 00:05:24,738 ♪ Stretchin' across Black River Swamp ♪ 48 00:05:24,740 --> 00:05:27,606 He's got Shawnee on there; Native American. 49 00:05:27,608 --> 00:05:30,376 You didn't go around telling everybody you were Native American; 50 00:05:30,378 --> 00:05:34,580 everybody hid it because of the way other people looked down on them. 51 00:05:34,582 --> 00:05:37,017 Link said that he hid under the bed one day 52 00:05:37,019 --> 00:05:40,152 because they could hear the KKK coming through; 53 00:05:40,154 --> 00:05:43,356 because, like all cowards, they would come at night 54 00:05:43,358 --> 00:05:46,359 and they would terrorize people when they least expected it. 55 00:05:46,361 --> 00:05:51,263 ♪ I can hear them bullfrogs croaking ♪ 56 00:05:51,265 --> 00:05:54,133 The Ku Klux Klan was after anybody who wasn't white. 57 00:05:54,135 --> 00:05:56,169 ♪ In the blackness of the night ♪ 58 00:05:56,171 --> 00:05:59,705 And if you were known to be an Indian, 59 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:03,376 uh, you were just as susceptible as any African-American person. 60 00:06:05,781 --> 00:06:09,548 My Shawnee mommy, she went out into the fields and was preaching to the blacks 61 00:06:09,550 --> 00:06:12,753 and to the Cherokee Indians and poor whites saying, 62 00:06:12,755 --> 00:06:15,688 "You keep your morals high; believe in God." You know. 63 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:18,358 And me and my brothers we were singing, you know, 64 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Will The Circle Be Unbroken 65 00:06:19,762 --> 00:06:22,496 and all those gospel songs behind my mom you know, 66 00:06:22,498 --> 00:06:24,397 when she was out there preaching. 67 00:06:30,606 --> 00:06:34,073 I was, uh, taught by a black man called Hambone who was raised up in the circus 68 00:06:34,075 --> 00:06:35,743 and he could play everything, you know. 69 00:06:35,745 --> 00:06:39,746 And, uh, he taught me how to play the blues, you know, and I started off from there 70 00:06:39,748 --> 00:06:43,183 and then I started paying bands, you know, to let me sit in with them 71 00:06:43,185 --> 00:06:45,452 so I could get better, you know. 72 00:06:45,454 --> 00:06:47,421 Were there early, um, rock 'n' roll influences? 73 00:06:47,423 --> 00:06:49,255 I mean you were among some of the... 74 00:06:49,257 --> 00:06:50,524 There was no rock 'n' roll then. 75 00:07:00,601 --> 00:07:07,106 I was doing this hop at this record hop in Fredericksburg, Virginia in 1957. 76 00:07:07,108 --> 00:07:10,443 The kids were gathered around in this arena 77 00:07:10,445 --> 00:07:14,246 and they were yelling for, uh, the stroll. 78 00:07:14,248 --> 00:07:16,549 Link says, "I don't know a stroll." 79 00:07:16,551 --> 00:07:18,217 I said, "I don't know a stroll." 80 00:07:18,219 --> 00:07:20,186 And Doug said, "I know the beat behind one. 81 00:07:22,291 --> 00:07:23,623 Ba-bow" And you thi-you know. 82 00:07:23,625 --> 00:07:26,293 So I said, "OK." Then I went like this. 83 00:07:26,295 --> 00:07:28,227 And then my God, man, they're watching me. 84 00:07:28,229 --> 00:07:31,565 You know. He said, "Bam!" I went. 85 00:07:40,308 --> 00:07:44,678 It's in the middle of the night and the radio's on and here comes this sound, you know, 86 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,513 that makes you levitate out of bed about four feet. 87 00:07:51,152 --> 00:07:52,786 What is he doing? 88 00:07:52,788 --> 00:07:57,323 There's no sound like that nowhere on the air. 89 00:08:01,430 --> 00:08:03,897 It changed everything. 90 00:08:03,899 --> 00:08:12,505 Rumble made an indelible mark on the whole evolution of where rock 'n' roll was gonna go. 91 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:16,311 And then I found out that he was an Indian. 92 00:08:42,871 --> 00:08:46,840 That was the rawest form of the kind of guitar 93 00:08:46,842 --> 00:08:48,942 that a lot of the guys that I listen to- 94 00:08:48,944 --> 00:08:50,943 it's where it started. You know? 95 00:08:50,945 --> 00:08:54,246 And it even still sounds better when he does it. You know? 96 00:08:57,252 --> 00:09:02,789 I was in the cafeteria and on the university P.A. system 97 00:09:02,791 --> 00:09:08,428 I heard "Bam, bam, bam; domp, domp, domp, domp." 98 00:09:08,430 --> 00:09:13,736 I said, "What? Whoa, what is that?" 99 00:09:16,805 --> 00:09:25,312 Rumble had the power to push me over the edge and it did help me say, 100 00:09:25,314 --> 00:09:28,814 "Fuck it. I'm gonna be a musician." 101 00:09:36,791 --> 00:09:40,894 I think Link Wray purely loved rock 'n' roll and felt 102 00:09:40,896 --> 00:09:43,663 pissed off and annoyed and disappointed 103 00:09:43,665 --> 00:09:46,732 that in some ways because he was Shawnee, half-Shawnee, 104 00:09:46,734 --> 00:09:48,434 and his family had been treated so badly 105 00:09:48,436 --> 00:09:52,871 he took that bitterness and created something that was not reductive but proactive. 106 00:10:00,748 --> 00:10:06,318 And the idea Rumble just from a superficial, almost reactionary level 107 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,987 is like the fight, right? 108 00:10:07,989 --> 00:10:11,924 But for me it means to disrupt, to roar, to be active. 109 00:10:16,831 --> 00:10:20,899 So Link Wray announced with the Rumble that there was a shift happening in culture. 110 00:10:20,901 --> 00:10:24,504 You know, this is not going to be the bop and the stroll it's going to be the Rumble. 111 00:10:28,477 --> 00:10:32,478 Here comes Link Wray with the theme song of juvenile delinquency. 112 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,614 You know. "Hey, rumble." 113 00:10:37,485 --> 00:10:39,318 I was surprised it got any airplay. 114 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,487 And to be honest I mean I'm not surprised it was banned. 115 00:10:47,362 --> 00:10:53,667 He is the only person who has an instrumental, no words, banned 116 00:10:53,669 --> 00:10:58,304 for fear it would incite teenage gang violence. 117 00:10:58,306 --> 00:11:01,006 It was the sound, the chord progressions; 118 00:11:01,008 --> 00:11:03,309 that was the thing. 119 00:11:03,311 --> 00:11:08,747 It was the way they didn't understand the feedback; it was the groove. 120 00:11:08,749 --> 00:11:13,019 It was-it was so many things that turned people off. 121 00:11:13,021 --> 00:11:15,825 You know, everybody can't be Pat Boone. You know what I mean? 122 00:11:17,059 --> 00:11:19,592 His influence was so immense. 123 00:11:19,594 --> 00:11:22,962 Every musician in the world loves Link Wray. 124 00:11:22,964 --> 00:11:25,634 I don't know why the rest of the world hasn't figured that out. 125 00:11:26,734 --> 00:11:28,467 ♪ Kick out the jams, motherfucker! ♪ 126 00:11:38,347 --> 00:11:42,816 In the MC5, we would do these recording sessions and the engineers would always say, 127 00:11:42,818 --> 00:11:45,351 "Oh, it's all distorted, man. 128 00:11:45,353 --> 00:11:47,853 You punks-aw, you're playing the amp too loud." 129 00:11:47,855 --> 00:11:51,124 And I'd say, "Yes, I want it distorted; that's what I want." 130 00:11:51,126 --> 00:11:54,593 "No, no; you want it clean like at Motown so it goes 'chink'." 131 00:11:54,595 --> 00:11:57,996 I said, "No, I want it to go like Link Wray. 132 00:11:57,998 --> 00:12:02,737 You know, I want that-that fuzz; I want the distortion." 133 00:12:10,645 --> 00:12:16,582 Link Wray's certainly one of the architects of my sound and the MC5 sound, 134 00:12:16,584 --> 00:12:21,388 and a thousand other rock guitar players since then. 135 00:12:21,390 --> 00:12:28,428 I mean, you know, if you trace-if you connect the dots back, you know... 136 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:33,031 so you can trace heavy metal and punk rock and all that back to The Clash 137 00:12:33,033 --> 00:12:38,638 and The Ramones; uh, the New York Dolls, The MC5 and a few others. 138 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,875 And then before that, who was there, you know? 139 00:12:41,877 --> 00:12:48,616 And he was one of the first that really had a tone that pointed a way to the future. 140 00:12:55,924 --> 00:12:59,458 Link Wray is huge on all modern electric guitar players. 141 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:03,164 If they're saying he didn't influence, uh, they're lying. 142 00:13:17,145 --> 00:13:18,711 Thank you very much! 143 00:13:30,892 --> 00:13:37,764 In the whole southeast area what we all know, what we've heard through our own families, 144 00:13:37,766 --> 00:13:41,834 is that back when first contact happened, 145 00:13:41,836 --> 00:13:45,938 we had a very specific style of singing. 146 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,261 And you can hear the spirit of some of the old music 147 00:14:09,263 --> 00:14:13,267 before plantations and slavery and so forth, and colonization. 148 00:14:16,905 --> 00:14:22,040 People are really shocked when they hear the traditional music of the southeast. 149 00:14:22,042 --> 00:14:25,278 They're, like, "That's Indian music? I thought that was African music." 150 00:14:33,588 --> 00:14:37,557 The land of the southeast itself informs the sound. 151 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:39,759 We hear the birds here. 152 00:14:39,761 --> 00:14:42,928 We hear the water here, the rivers, the canoe sounds. 153 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:45,832 And that informs what comes out of our mouth. 154 00:14:45,834 --> 00:14:50,803 All of American music that came from the south was informed by our land and therefore by us. 155 00:14:56,143 --> 00:15:02,749 A music by Native people presented a threat, was seen as dangerous. 156 00:15:02,751 --> 00:15:08,888 And people were arrested, singers and dancers incarcerated for performing this music; 157 00:15:08,890 --> 00:15:11,189 treaty-guaranteed rations withheld from them. 158 00:15:14,563 --> 00:15:20,766 The Federal government begins passing law after law in an effort to control Native people 159 00:15:20,768 --> 00:15:22,635 in every way that you can imagine. 160 00:15:29,243 --> 00:15:31,910 They went after every part of our culture 161 00:15:31,912 --> 00:15:35,048 so of course they're gonna go after the music 162 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:38,650 because it's an integral aspect of our culture. 163 00:15:38,652 --> 00:15:45,191 Because back in that time, in those times, everybody had a morning song to greet the day. 164 00:15:45,193 --> 00:15:49,962 They were songs of ancestry; they were songs of the old way. 165 00:15:49,964 --> 00:15:51,930 They went after our culture. 166 00:15:51,932 --> 00:15:54,333 It was genocide and they wanted to erase every 167 00:15:54,335 --> 00:15:57,271 cultural perception of reality that we had. 168 00:16:00,175 --> 00:16:02,808 On December 29th, 1890, 169 00:16:02,810 --> 00:16:05,912 the U.S. Army surrounded a number of Ghost Dancers 170 00:16:05,914 --> 00:16:08,847 at Wounded Knee and slaughtered over three hundred, 171 00:16:08,849 --> 00:16:11,149 mostly women and children, but also men 172 00:16:11,151 --> 00:16:13,087 who were participating in the Ghost Dance. 173 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,260 And this is essentially the beginning of the banning 174 00:16:22,262 --> 00:16:25,134 of Native music in the United States. 175 00:16:29,771 --> 00:16:35,207 When I hear stories about Wovoka creating the Ghost Dance, 176 00:16:35,209 --> 00:16:40,346 the dance that would make the Native Americans invulnerable to the bullets of the white man 177 00:16:40,348 --> 00:16:42,682 so that they could rise up from the reservations 178 00:16:42,684 --> 00:16:47,020 and kill off their oppressors; they were that desperate. 179 00:16:47,022 --> 00:16:49,922 Was what music the blues? 180 00:16:49,924 --> 00:16:53,025 It might not have sounded like it, but baby, that was the blues. 181 00:16:53,027 --> 00:16:54,496 That was the blues. 182 00:17:19,153 --> 00:17:23,022 Most people in America, what little they have of Mardi Gras 183 00:17:23,024 --> 00:17:27,893 is drunken white people on Bourbon Street packed wall-to-wall 184 00:17:27,895 --> 00:17:31,397 hollering at some woman to show her tits. You know? 185 00:17:31,399 --> 00:17:33,299 This doesn't have anything to do with Mardi Gras. 186 00:17:37,905 --> 00:17:43,208 If you want to witness and participate in the real Mardi Gras, 187 00:17:43,210 --> 00:17:47,880 you have to go to the the heart of the ghetto; that's the staging area. 188 00:18:09,170 --> 00:18:15,108 When my family came up from my home in Louisiana, they migrated during the time when, uh, 189 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:19,211 you know, things was rough for the Indians so they came to New Orleans 190 00:18:19,213 --> 00:18:23,783 and they passed off as black because they was dark-skinned. 191 00:18:23,785 --> 00:18:27,419 And they never even talked about it; they'd never mention it because, you know, 192 00:18:27,421 --> 00:18:30,857 they were scared because they didn't want to get sent to the reservation. 193 00:18:37,498 --> 00:18:46,872 Big Chief! Big Chief! 194 00:18:46,874 --> 00:18:49,475 Hey boy! What they say! 195 00:18:49,477 --> 00:18:51,343 Mardi Gras more than a hell of a day. 196 00:18:51,345 --> 00:18:53,446 But Mardi Gras morning when Indians come 197 00:18:53,448 --> 00:18:56,047 we all gonna get together to have some fun. 198 00:18:59,853 --> 00:19:02,155 ♪ I'm gonna take 'em downtown! ♪ 199 00:19:02,157 --> 00:19:03,389 ♪ Early in the mornin'! ♪ 200 00:19:04,459 --> 00:19:06,292 ♪ I'm gonna take 'em downtown! ♪ 201 00:19:06,294 --> 00:19:08,026 Early in the mornin'! 202 00:19:08,028 --> 00:19:12,497 Seeing the Indians at Carnival was getting to know who I was. 203 00:19:12,499 --> 00:19:16,435 That was the only time that black men could put on feathers. 204 00:19:19,473 --> 00:19:25,911 We're all a combination of indigenous people and indigenous people of Africa. 205 00:19:30,951 --> 00:19:34,120 It was a Muscogeeon village through this area. 206 00:19:34,122 --> 00:19:38,925 Our music is called Stomp Dance and what you hear first is the calling, 207 00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:40,493 a call and response 208 00:19:40,495 --> 00:19:44,229 where the leader calls out and then the men answer. 209 00:19:49,069 --> 00:19:56,074 When you hear that up against blues, rock, jazz, it's part of the origin. 210 00:20:01,149 --> 00:20:03,983 Everybody in the neighbourhood, everybody has grown up on this; 211 00:20:03,985 --> 00:20:05,551 they've been doing this a hundred and fifty years. 212 00:20:08,623 --> 00:20:15,428 Basically they're in there masking as black people in daily life. 213 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:20,198 Because the Indians were treated even worse than the slaves. 214 00:20:26,207 --> 00:20:31,944 When European settlers came here, they first enslaved the Indians, lots of them. 215 00:20:31,946 --> 00:20:36,882 And they figured out the best way to do this is to ship the men elsewhere. 216 00:20:36,884 --> 00:20:42,621 Being hunter-gatherer societies uh, they knew how to escape and how to evade the raiders 217 00:20:42,623 --> 00:20:47,159 and how to come back and fight. So, you ship them into the Caribbean ships, 218 00:20:47,161 --> 00:20:49,928 some of them to Africa, keep the women here. 219 00:20:49,930 --> 00:20:54,100 And then later on, bring in African slaves. 220 00:20:54,102 --> 00:20:58,970 Ninety percent of the people in the ships coming from Africa on some of those ships were men. 221 00:20:58,972 --> 00:21:00,409 Who did they have children with? 222 00:21:03,443 --> 00:21:07,513 And this is why eighty-five percent of African-Americans who have been in this country 223 00:21:07,515 --> 00:21:10,917 before the Civil War claim Native American ancestry. 224 00:21:10,919 --> 00:21:13,285 And all of them almost say great-grandmother 225 00:21:13,287 --> 00:21:14,387 on the mother's line. 226 00:21:21,328 --> 00:21:25,665 And runaway slaves would be taken in 227 00:21:25,667 --> 00:21:27,367 on different Indian reservations. 228 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:33,175 They're like, aw, come on, man, you know, you can hang out with us; we'll hide you. 229 00:21:35,075 --> 00:21:39,214 And the next thing you knew, there was these little black Indians running around. 230 00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:44,350 Everyone that was not white, 231 00:21:44,352 --> 00:21:46,151 was classified as "coloured," 232 00:21:46,153 --> 00:21:49,322 so whether you were Indian or black, you became coloured. 233 00:21:49,324 --> 00:21:51,256 If you had ten percent African, you're considered black. 234 00:21:51,258 --> 00:21:53,391 You'd be ninety percent Indian, but you're considered black. 235 00:21:53,393 --> 00:21:58,563 Why? Well, because it prevents Native Americans from making claims to the land... 236 00:21:58,565 --> 00:22:01,100 and taking back what was stolen. 237 00:22:01,102 --> 00:22:03,468 And if they claimed their land and claimed Indian, they could be shot. 238 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:27,226 When the African poly rhythms and a Native American, 239 00:22:27,228 --> 00:22:29,361 four on the floor came together. 240 00:22:29,363 --> 00:22:33,198 That was the beginning of what became American music. 241 00:22:36,103 --> 00:22:43,274 To me, I think of-of gumbo, which is the quintessential New Orleans food. 242 00:22:43,276 --> 00:22:47,545 When I was growing up, gumbo was you put everything you had in a pot. 243 00:22:47,547 --> 00:22:50,549 All that stuff together makes this great meal. 244 00:22:50,551 --> 00:22:58,424 I'm part Native American, part African by way of Haiti, part French, part Italian, 245 00:22:58,426 --> 00:23:06,098 and that's kind of what New Orleans is, and it comes out so flavourful. 246 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:09,034 Giacomo Fina Ne is what they say, Big Chief coming, 247 00:23:09,036 --> 00:23:11,236 so tell them, better get out the way. 248 00:23:11,238 --> 00:23:13,406 New Orleans, the home of the strong, home of the brave, 249 00:23:13,408 --> 00:23:15,507 so don't bother nobody with a feather in their head. 250 00:23:15,509 --> 00:23:17,743 They bring lightning in the morning, they won't bow down, 251 00:23:17,745 --> 00:23:21,714 tambourine rain is such a beautiful sound. 252 00:23:21,716 --> 00:23:23,582 Uptown lightning it comes down 253 00:23:23,584 --> 00:23:25,251 when my Chief on the street steps 254 00:23:25,253 --> 00:23:26,685 the thunder all beneath his feet. 255 00:23:26,687 --> 00:23:28,353 His suit can't be beat, 256 00:23:28,355 --> 00:23:30,221 That child wild from the sun to the night 257 00:23:30,223 --> 00:23:31,792 And when he opens such a beautiful sight. 258 00:23:33,326 --> 00:23:36,128 ♪ Here comes the end Just let 'em through ♪ 259 00:24:11,598 --> 00:24:15,633 For me it was just a huge revelation that the banjo is an African instrument. 260 00:24:15,635 --> 00:24:20,238 The banjo for the first hundred years of its existence was not a white instrument, 261 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,739 you know, at all, it was a plantation instrument. 262 00:24:51,139 --> 00:24:54,707 Our music is very much what you would hear. 263 00:24:54,709 --> 00:24:57,946 It's-I've heard people call it pre-blues. 264 00:25:00,748 --> 00:25:07,186 And so it really sounds very much like the roots of blues music. 265 00:26:10,317 --> 00:26:13,451 ♪ Baby, saddle my pony ♪ 266 00:26:13,453 --> 00:26:18,756 ♪ Hitch up my black mare ♪ 267 00:26:18,758 --> 00:26:21,860 ♪ Baby, saddle up my pony ♪ 268 00:26:21,862 --> 00:26:27,466 ♪ Hitch up my black mare ♪ 269 00:26:27,468 --> 00:26:33,238 Blues buffs, blues scholars, although they can't really agree on anything, 270 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,376 if they were forced into a room and they had to identify, you know, 271 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:44,649 perhaps the most singularly important blues guitarist, singer, songwriter, 272 00:26:44,651 --> 00:26:49,988 the whole package, the greatest one that ever was um, in the early 20th Century, 273 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:53,926 if you tried to convince them to come up with that answer, they'd probably say Charley Patton. 274 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:08,674 He was the grandfather to all of the Delta Blues guys. 275 00:27:08,676 --> 00:27:12,477 No matter how rough those recordings are or how hard it is to listen to, 276 00:27:12,479 --> 00:27:15,346 there's nothing as immediate as listening to that stuff. 277 00:27:15,348 --> 00:27:19,584 It's like a bomb went off. I mean, his sound is so guttural, 278 00:27:19,586 --> 00:27:25,791 it sounds like what I imagine that time must have felt like. 279 00:27:25,793 --> 00:27:28,761 Like he's just, he's just getting it out. 280 00:27:28,763 --> 00:27:34,803 You know, he's not even trying to make it pretty. It's just as raw as it gets. 281 00:27:42,809 --> 00:27:48,380 He was a profound influence on Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Jack White, Bonnie Raitt, 282 00:27:48,382 --> 00:27:50,582 the list goes on and on and on. 283 00:27:50,584 --> 00:27:53,017 Charley Patton was an Indian. 284 00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:56,388 And he was the baddest mother-fucker in the world. 285 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:57,723 Howlin Wolf. 286 00:28:00,728 --> 00:28:03,696 He was from the area of the Mississippi Delta, 287 00:28:03,698 --> 00:28:07,365 which is an area that is rich in Blues history. 288 00:28:07,367 --> 00:28:09,834 It's not far from the Choctaw country. 289 00:28:09,836 --> 00:28:13,538 It's very likely that Charley Patton was of Choctaw ancestry. 290 00:28:24,985 --> 00:28:27,753 Charley Patton's family has an oral tradition 291 00:28:27,755 --> 00:28:30,488 of Native ancestry, of white ancestry, 292 00:28:30,490 --> 00:28:33,458 Creole ancestry, African-American ancestry. 293 00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:35,960 All of those people made Patton who he was. 294 00:28:50,844 --> 00:28:55,949 See, so when I hear this, it's Indian music to me, you know. 295 00:28:58,853 --> 00:29:00,052 And that rhythm... 296 00:29:05,426 --> 00:29:08,761 I love Charley Patton, his spirit and his music, 297 00:29:08,763 --> 00:29:11,496 it just connects me right back 298 00:29:11,498 --> 00:29:17,037 to where I come from, you know? I can hear all those old traditional songs. 299 00:29:18,439 --> 00:29:19,772 Do you hear it? 300 00:29:42,162 --> 00:29:44,630 That's Indian music. 301 00:29:44,632 --> 00:29:46,564 With a guitar, you know. 302 00:29:46,566 --> 00:29:50,768 That's where it went, you know? That's where traditional music went. 303 00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:53,037 It went like this. 304 00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:00,012 I hear it in the singing. 305 00:30:00,014 --> 00:30:02,680 I hear it in the singing and I hear it in the rhythm 306 00:30:02,682 --> 00:30:04,149 because he plays the guitar like a drum. 307 00:30:07,955 --> 00:30:12,623 It was illegal to own a drum in plantation slavery America. 308 00:30:12,625 --> 00:30:14,626 You could not own a drum. 309 00:30:14,628 --> 00:30:18,030 Or you will be killed because a drum was an insurrectionary instrument. 310 00:30:18,032 --> 00:30:22,868 You could communicate to people, you could organize people over distances for rebellion, 311 00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:27,206 You know? So that's why Charley Patton had to play drum on his guitar. 312 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,217 Patton was born during some of the worst racial violence in the United States, 313 00:30:39,219 --> 00:30:42,187 so one of the ways that you could perhaps get away 314 00:30:42,189 --> 00:30:45,591 from some of the worst of the racial violence 315 00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:49,197 was to be secure inside of a world such as here at Dockery. 316 00:30:51,565 --> 00:30:53,732 It was a place where people could go and make money. 317 00:30:53,734 --> 00:30:56,067 The Dockery Plantation offered people more 318 00:30:56,069 --> 00:30:59,871 than they were getting in their home communities in Mississippi. 319 00:30:59,873 --> 00:31:01,873 And that's why Patton's family moved there 320 00:31:01,875 --> 00:31:05,244 because they could have a better life for themselves. 321 00:31:07,948 --> 00:31:09,515 There were Choctaw folks that moved there; 322 00:31:09,517 --> 00:31:12,284 there were African-American folks; 323 00:31:12,286 --> 00:31:14,719 there were Europeans that worked there. 324 00:31:14,721 --> 00:31:18,623 Charley Patton would have heard a combination of influences 325 00:31:18,625 --> 00:31:21,793 that led to the emergence of his guitar playing style. 326 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:30,535 He was not very much into farm labour, 327 00:31:30,537 --> 00:31:33,240 but you didn't have too many other opportunities. 328 00:31:39,947 --> 00:31:46,251 They would do gigs. It would be, you know, Saturday night at somebody's house, 329 00:31:46,253 --> 00:31:50,822 somebody's back porch. Play all night, play for some drinks. 330 00:31:50,824 --> 00:31:52,760 Maybe somebody would fry some fish. 331 00:31:54,728 --> 00:31:56,762 After they got out of the church, even the reverends 332 00:31:56,764 --> 00:31:58,163 would go take their girls 333 00:31:58,165 --> 00:32:01,899 and go to the juke joints, you know, where they had sex and food 334 00:32:01,901 --> 00:32:04,570 and gambling and all that stuff. 335 00:32:04,572 --> 00:32:08,275 Back then, rich and poor had to go to juke joints if they wanted to party. 336 00:32:12,112 --> 00:32:16,081 Son House would say, you know, Patton would throw the guitar up in the air 337 00:32:16,083 --> 00:32:18,852 and catch it and, you know, not miss a beat. 338 00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:26,624 And just think, he's been working all week; 339 00:32:26,626 --> 00:32:29,961 and you ain't heard nothing but lightning and birds and wind. 340 00:32:29,963 --> 00:32:32,331 And all of a sudden, you hear somebody go 341 00:32:34,934 --> 00:32:37,636 And I mean, the hair's probably standing up on the back of your neck. 342 00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:44,342 He was doing Jimi Hendrix long before Jimi. 343 00:32:44,344 --> 00:32:46,945 Charley Patton may have started the whole showmanship thing. 344 00:32:46,947 --> 00:32:49,614 But, you know, they had to find their own identity; 345 00:32:49,616 --> 00:32:51,315 they had to separate themselves from the other guys. 346 00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:53,951 I mean, there was probably a lot of guys out there trying 347 00:32:53,953 --> 00:32:57,155 to not have to work in the cotton field, you know what I mean? 348 00:32:57,157 --> 00:33:03,061 It's like, same as today, OK? We're all trying to not work in that cotton field, right? 349 00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:14,773 The big deal about Dockery is that Charley was here for such a long time 350 00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:18,377 that people came to him and he took the time to teach them how to play. 351 00:33:18,379 --> 00:33:20,911 He taught Pop Staples how to play when he was a child. 352 00:33:20,913 --> 00:33:23,081 Sun House was another one that came here and played. 353 00:33:23,083 --> 00:33:24,783 That Howlin' Wolf came here as a youngster. 354 00:33:31,025 --> 00:33:36,160 A man came through the plantation picking a guitar called Charley Patton, 355 00:33:36,162 --> 00:33:39,031 and I liked his sound. 356 00:33:39,033 --> 00:33:43,134 Every night that I'd get off from work, I'd go to his house 357 00:33:43,136 --> 00:33:47,040 and he'd learn me how to pick the guitar. So I got good with it. 358 00:33:55,181 --> 00:34:02,319 Wolf was the guy who basically took Patton's music into the electric realm. 359 00:34:02,321 --> 00:34:05,156 The Stones got Howlin' Wolf to come. 360 00:34:05,158 --> 00:34:07,725 You can see Brian Jones' face. 361 00:34:07,727 --> 00:34:11,996 He's just like, "Oh my God, we actually pulled this scam off 362 00:34:11,998 --> 00:34:16,000 and we got Howlin' Wolf to do this show." 363 00:34:16,002 --> 00:34:17,803 Tell us something about him, Brian. 364 00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:19,337 Well, when we first started playing together 365 00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:21,739 we started playing because we wanted to play Rhythm and Blues 366 00:34:21,741 --> 00:34:23,942 and Howlin' Wolf was one of our greatest idols 367 00:34:23,944 --> 00:34:29,080 and it's a great pleasure to find he's been booked on this show tonight. 368 00:34:29,082 --> 00:34:31,949 So I think it's time we shut up and had Howlin' Wolf onstage! 369 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:35,853 Yeah I agree, let's get him out, Howlin' Wolf, bring him on! 370 00:34:48,468 --> 00:34:55,841 ♪ How many more years Do I have to let you dog me around? ♪ 371 00:34:58,511 --> 00:35:06,384 ♪ How many more years Do I have to let you dog me around? ♪ 372 00:35:08,522 --> 00:35:11,489 ♪ I would rather be dead ♪ 373 00:35:11,491 --> 00:35:15,460 And once again, that mystery of what it is and how awesome it is 374 00:35:15,462 --> 00:35:18,864 goes right back down to Charley Patton and Dockery Farms. 375 00:35:31,011 --> 00:35:36,047 America didn't let the blues reach the white kids until the British guys started playing it, 376 00:35:36,049 --> 00:35:39,884 then they thought it was something new the British guys was bringing here. 377 00:35:39,886 --> 00:35:43,487 The Stones, the Beatles and whoever else was picking up a guitar. 378 00:35:52,064 --> 00:35:57,201 There's a definite thread from Charley Patton, Howlin Wolf to Led Zeppelin, you know, 379 00:35:57,203 --> 00:35:59,069 it went like that basically. 380 00:35:59,071 --> 00:36:01,105 Jimmy Page will tell you that if you ask him. 381 00:36:06,413 --> 00:36:09,114 ♪ I'm gonna leave you cause it's high time ♪ 382 00:36:09,116 --> 00:36:12,216 ♪ Somebody else is beatin' my time ♪ 383 00:36:12,218 --> 00:36:14,386 ♪ But you never hear me cry ♪ 384 00:36:14,388 --> 00:36:17,054 ♪ As long as you live, you'll be dead if you die ♪ 385 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:21,826 Well, I can't help it. 386 00:36:22,830 --> 00:36:24,395 Oh fuck, I don't know how it goes. 387 00:36:24,397 --> 00:36:26,498 It's all the same; I can't tell where to come in. 388 00:36:28,134 --> 00:36:30,534 ♪ I'm gonna leave you cause it's high time ♪ 389 00:36:30,536 --> 00:36:33,205 ♪ Somebody else is beatin' my time ♪ 390 00:36:33,207 --> 00:36:38,109 Mildred began singing in speakeasies, and she became big in speakeasies. 391 00:36:38,111 --> 00:36:42,614 In this little speakeasy that she and Benny the Bootlegger had, she brewed her own beer. 392 00:36:46,953 --> 00:36:48,386 But when Mildred Bailey came to New York 393 00:36:48,388 --> 00:36:50,554 in the late '20s, early '30s 394 00:36:50,556 --> 00:36:53,525 uh, everything was completely segregated. 395 00:36:53,527 --> 00:36:57,362 She knew who the great musicians were and she started recording with black musicians 396 00:36:57,364 --> 00:36:59,096 almost from the moment she got here. 397 00:37:02,435 --> 00:37:04,603 Mildred was a cornerstone. 398 00:37:04,605 --> 00:37:08,306 She serves as a cornerstone in the direction that jazz took. 399 00:37:28,462 --> 00:37:34,632 This was her mother's land for generations before Mildred 400 00:37:34,634 --> 00:37:43,107 and my grandmother was the recipient of ancient music. 401 00:37:50,082 --> 00:37:56,388 On the Coeur D'Alene Reservation, there was no social gathering without singing. 402 00:38:12,506 --> 00:38:18,643 The way the notes are stretched and condensed and move over the bar lines. 403 00:38:18,645 --> 00:38:20,511 Mildred sings from Lover, Come Back to Me 404 00:38:20,513 --> 00:38:26,216 ♪ I remember every little thing you used to do ♪ 405 00:38:26,218 --> 00:38:31,156 When Mildred Bailey does it, it's hard not to look at the way those glides are used 406 00:38:31,158 --> 00:38:35,426 in the traditional songs of the region where she grew up. 407 00:38:35,428 --> 00:38:43,701 ♪ Every road I walk along I've walked along with you ♪ 408 00:38:43,703 --> 00:38:49,473 When asked how she came to be the singer that she became, 409 00:38:49,475 --> 00:38:51,710 she pointed to the Indian songs of her youth. 410 00:39:00,654 --> 00:39:07,458 ♪ Old rockin' chair's got me ♪ 411 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:11,562 She was one of the great improvisers of jazz. 412 00:39:11,564 --> 00:39:16,000 You know, you say, "Old rocking chair's got me." 413 00:39:16,002 --> 00:39:18,536 You sing it, maybe it's written that way, but it always says, 414 00:39:18,538 --> 00:39:21,239 "Old rocking chair's got me," you know. 415 00:39:21,241 --> 00:39:25,409 You just change it, you know, whatever you feel at the moment. 416 00:39:25,411 --> 00:39:29,580 It's something that you can't learn in school. 417 00:39:29,582 --> 00:39:37,755 I'm eighty years old, you know, what am I talking about, I'm eighty-eight and uh 418 00:39:37,757 --> 00:39:42,192 from sixteen to twenty years old, I was working as a singing waiter 419 00:39:42,194 --> 00:39:48,165 in Astoria, Long Island here and that's the only thing I listened to, was Mildred Bailey. 420 00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:51,536 I was completely influenced by Mildred Bailey. 421 00:39:51,538 --> 00:39:54,705 She sang perfect, for me. 422 00:39:54,707 --> 00:39:58,375 And here's your rocking chair lady, Mildred Bailey! 423 00:39:58,377 --> 00:40:03,248 Hi everybody, come right in and cut yourself a share of kicks around that old rocking chair. 424 00:40:05,585 --> 00:40:08,219 ♪ Noah, Noah, let me come in ♪ 425 00:40:08,221 --> 00:40:11,288 ♪ Doors all fastened and the windows pinned... ♪ 426 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:15,527 She's the first female band singer, period. 427 00:40:15,529 --> 00:40:18,730 And the first female to have a radio show. 428 00:40:18,732 --> 00:40:22,266 ♪ Noah said you done lost your track. ♪ 429 00:40:22,268 --> 00:40:27,806 Frank Sinatra went up to Julia Rinker at a recording session in the '70s and said, 430 00:40:27,808 --> 00:40:33,277 "I knew your aunt, and she is one of the most significant people 431 00:40:33,279 --> 00:40:39,250 in terms of how I learned to sing and who I emulate to this day." Frank Sinatra said that. 432 00:40:39,252 --> 00:40:42,654 ♪ Keep your hand on the plow, hold on! ♪ 433 00:40:42,656 --> 00:40:48,259 Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Bing Crosby, she had a hand in shaping jazz vocal style. 434 00:40:48,261 --> 00:40:51,495 ♪ Wanna get to heaven, I'll tell you how ♪ 435 00:40:51,497 --> 00:40:54,531 ♪ Keep your hand on the gospel plow! ♪ 436 00:40:54,533 --> 00:41:00,504 It's important not just to re-situate Mildred Bailey in that jazz narrative, 437 00:41:00,506 --> 00:41:06,344 but by doing that, we bring the story of the Native American perspective 438 00:41:06,346 --> 00:41:07,812 into that jazz narrative. 439 00:41:17,223 --> 00:41:20,759 Seeing as this is an unlawful assembly. Disperse. 440 00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:57,161 ♪ Can you remember the time ♪ 441 00:41:57,163 --> 00:42:01,399 ♪ That you have held your head high? ♪ 442 00:42:01,401 --> 00:42:04,768 ♪ And told all of your friends of your Indian claim ♪ 443 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:09,207 ♪ Proud good lady and proud good man ♪ 444 00:42:09,209 --> 00:42:12,576 I went to Greenwich Village and I was not in show business. 445 00:42:12,578 --> 00:42:16,714 I was a college girl on her way to India and I thought I would try my luck at singing. 446 00:42:16,716 --> 00:42:18,583 And it was folk music time. 447 00:42:18,585 --> 00:42:24,321 ♪ Oh, it's written in books and in songs ♪ 448 00:42:24,323 --> 00:42:29,761 ♪ That we've been mistreated and wronged ♪ 449 00:42:29,763 --> 00:42:34,464 All of a sudden the streets were just alive with people 450 00:42:34,466 --> 00:42:38,268 with broader minds than the generation before. 451 00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:42,306 And it was just the perfect time for me, you know. 452 00:42:42,308 --> 00:42:45,243 If it had been a different time, I probably never would have had a career. 453 00:42:45,245 --> 00:42:49,246 ♪ And you feel you're a part of these ones... ♪ 454 00:42:49,248 --> 00:42:53,451 At the essence, folk music is telling the stories of the day. 455 00:42:53,453 --> 00:42:58,890 And it's telling stories of the day or the people who are most of the time the most excluded, 456 00:42:58,892 --> 00:43:03,328 the most-the most uh, the trampled-upon. 457 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:11,402 This is a song about a human being who is also an Indian 458 00:43:11,404 --> 00:43:14,004 and if you don't remember his name, 459 00:43:14,006 --> 00:43:20,545 I think you may after this song. It's called Ira Hayes. 460 00:43:20,547 --> 00:43:25,817 The first folk singer signed at Columbia was not Bob Dylan, it was Peter La Farge. 461 00:43:25,819 --> 00:43:31,556 ♪ For a thousand years The sparkling water rushed ♪ 462 00:43:31,558 --> 00:43:34,891 ♪ Till the white man stole their water rights ♪ 463 00:43:34,893 --> 00:43:38,696 For natives, for the singer-songwriter, Peter La Farge was the man. 464 00:43:38,698 --> 00:43:42,966 He was addressing the reality we were going through and our attitude towards it. 465 00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:45,502 We were listening to each other's music. 466 00:43:45,504 --> 00:43:49,741 There was a real protest movement going on about Vietnam. 467 00:43:49,743 --> 00:43:53,710 Universal Soldier on, you know, I mean, she was an activist; 468 00:43:53,712 --> 00:43:58,348 she was the first woman of of activism that had an audience. 469 00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:03,353 ♪ He's five-foot-two and he's six-feet-four ♪ 470 00:44:03,355 --> 00:44:06,958 ♪ He fights with missiles and with spears ♪ 471 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,862 She was very instrumental in making those images 472 00:44:10,864 --> 00:44:17,734 and those points clear to a very open and willing audience. 473 00:44:17,736 --> 00:44:26,444 ♪ And he's fighting in Canada He's fighting in France He's fighting in the USA ♪ 474 00:44:26,446 --> 00:44:31,949 Unlike my peers in show business uh, who had never been to a reservation, 475 00:44:31,951 --> 00:44:42,759 and unlike my peers on the reservation who had no clout or power or voice um, 476 00:44:42,761 --> 00:44:44,862 I had those two. 477 00:44:44,864 --> 00:44:47,832 ♪ This is not the way we put an end to war. ♪ 478 00:44:59,779 --> 00:45:05,817 ♪ Old Custer he split his men Well, he won't do that again. ♪ 479 00:45:05,819 --> 00:45:09,754 ♪ The general, he don't ride well anymore. ♪ 480 00:45:09,756 --> 00:45:13,924 Johnny Cash wanted to make a folk record and he had seen La Farge before. 481 00:45:13,926 --> 00:45:18,429 And he said, "I have to meet this musician." And Johnny Cash felt very connected, 482 00:45:18,431 --> 00:45:21,833 and then they hung out and spoke and he said, "I want to take some of your songs 483 00:45:21,835 --> 00:45:24,402 and turn them into a record." 484 00:45:24,404 --> 00:45:27,004 He was in an extremely high moment in his career 485 00:45:27,006 --> 00:45:30,808 coming off the success of Ring of Fire. 486 00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:35,846 ♪ I went down, down, down And the flames went higher ♪ 487 00:45:35,848 --> 00:45:42,553 ♪ And it burns, burns, burns The ring of fire, the ring of fire ♪ 488 00:45:42,555 --> 00:45:46,656 And even at that moment, riding the high of these giant hits, 489 00:45:46,658 --> 00:45:50,728 Columbia Records are still trying to block him from making this record. 490 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:53,163 Johnny was fighting and ready to throw his career away 491 00:45:53,165 --> 00:45:54,966 if they wouldn't put this record out. 492 00:45:54,968 --> 00:45:57,835 He was going to put it out, you know, no matter what they said. 493 00:45:57,837 --> 00:46:00,772 He knew this album was essentially censored and banned. 494 00:46:00,774 --> 00:46:06,109 So Johnny Cash decides to write a letter about his displeasure. 495 00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:10,781 Line after line of scathing indictment of the record industry. 496 00:46:10,783 --> 00:46:14,652 And he himself putting the letter in the record sleeve 497 00:46:14,654 --> 00:46:17,955 and then personally not just mailing the record to the specific DJs, 498 00:46:17,957 --> 00:46:22,627 but appearing in the city when he was performing to the DJ with the record and saying, 499 00:46:22,629 --> 00:46:24,127 "Just give it a chance." 500 00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:27,031 I've got very little Indian blood in me myself, 501 00:46:27,033 --> 00:46:29,801 except in my heart I've got 100% for you tonight. 502 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,176 ♪ Gather round me people There's a story I would tell ♪ 503 00:46:38,178 --> 00:46:42,480 ♪ About a brave young Indian That we should remember well ♪ 504 00:46:42,482 --> 00:46:44,714 ♪ From the tribe of the Pima Indian ♪ 505 00:46:44,716 --> 00:46:47,150 ♪ A proud and peaceful band... ♪ 506 00:46:47,152 --> 00:46:49,587 Well, I asked the DJs, "Why don't you play Bitter Tears?" 507 00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:52,757 And then it was the same answer, "Well, it makes you feel guilty, you know." 508 00:46:52,759 --> 00:46:55,025 "Uh, I didn't wreck your damn life." 509 00:46:55,027 --> 00:46:57,929 "You know, I didn't take away your damn land, it wasn't me." 510 00:46:57,931 --> 00:46:59,996 I'm, "Well, so what?" 511 00:46:59,998 --> 00:47:01,933 "I'm not telling you did, why don't you put..." 512 00:47:01,935 --> 00:47:03,033 "Well, we can't do that." 513 00:47:12,745 --> 00:47:14,712 Here they were. 514 00:47:14,714 --> 00:47:19,150 They were all hunted down, up this canyon as far as those pine trees are, 515 00:47:19,152 --> 00:47:23,154 across the creek over there. 516 00:47:23,156 --> 00:47:25,255 By America banning that album, 517 00:47:25,257 --> 00:47:28,926 it just closed everyone's conscience 518 00:47:28,928 --> 00:47:32,966 of the American Indian and their struggles. 519 00:47:36,201 --> 00:47:39,770 I was no longer a marginalized person writing Universal Soldier 520 00:47:39,772 --> 00:47:43,140 or talking about Native American issues in a coffee house. 521 00:47:43,142 --> 00:47:46,844 All of a sudden I was talking about those things on big-time television. 522 00:47:46,846 --> 00:47:50,047 And all of a sudden everything disappeared. 523 00:47:50,049 --> 00:47:52,019 All of a sudden there was no interest. 524 00:47:55,855 --> 00:48:00,024 And it was only twenty, twenty-five years later that in Toronto, 525 00:48:00,026 --> 00:48:04,194 a radio broadcaster started an interview by apologizing to me 526 00:48:04,196 --> 00:48:07,698 for having gone along with letters written on White House stationery 527 00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:11,736 commending them for supressing my music, which "deserved to be suppressed." 528 00:48:11,738 --> 00:48:15,239 And that's the way he started the interview 529 00:48:15,241 --> 00:48:20,210 Apparently, I had FBI files and got blacklisted, although I didn't know it at the time. 530 00:48:20,212 --> 00:48:23,880 And later on it was the CIA as well, I understand. 531 00:48:23,882 --> 00:48:26,750 They went after Buffy and they went after a lot of people 532 00:48:26,752 --> 00:48:29,155 at that time just to kind of keep them silenced. 533 00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:36,861 I think I could have been more effective had I not been gagged in the US. 534 00:48:36,863 --> 00:48:39,129 But who was it who owned the newspapers? 535 00:48:39,131 --> 00:48:40,698 Who owned the television stations? 536 00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:41,998 Who owned the radio stations? 537 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,868 Were they going to play Buffy Sainte-Marie? No! 538 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:46,670 It was the oil companies. 539 00:48:46,672 --> 00:48:49,607 It was people who were digging for uranium, stealing uranium, 540 00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:51,174 transferring it into private hands. 541 00:48:51,176 --> 00:48:52,643 That's who owned all that. 542 00:48:52,645 --> 00:48:56,647 You think that they were going to be making me a star? I don't think so. 543 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:37,187 Well, what Jimi was doing when he was playing Hear My Train A Comin', 544 00:49:37,189 --> 00:49:39,890 it was for a television show, I think. 545 00:49:39,892 --> 00:49:45,062 No amps, no pedals, no wah-wah's, no tricks, no dancing and no playing with his teeth. 546 00:49:45,064 --> 00:49:50,000 And he's just bringing pure-the power of the earth and history through him. 547 00:49:50,002 --> 00:49:54,871 ♪ Waitin' for the train, yeah ♪ 548 00:49:54,873 --> 00:49:58,643 He's bringing the Charley Patton, you know, he's bringing uh, the Link Wray, 549 00:49:58,645 --> 00:50:02,346 he's bringing all those things up through him. 550 00:50:02,348 --> 00:50:10,120 Well, I knew he had music in him, because when he was small, his daddy bought him a guitar, 551 00:50:10,122 --> 00:50:15,725 an old guitar for him to play on, you know, around with the boys 552 00:50:15,727 --> 00:50:18,696 and so I knew he was musical. 553 00:50:18,698 --> 00:50:22,400 But I didn't know that he had that much music in him, you see. 554 00:50:25,805 --> 00:50:27,804 My grandma lived to be a hundred years old, 555 00:50:27,806 --> 00:50:29,707 which is um, amazing feat to itself but um, 556 00:50:29,709 --> 00:50:33,444 her father was slave, freed. 557 00:50:33,446 --> 00:50:39,049 Her mother was half Cherokee, and she grew up on the reservation. 558 00:50:39,051 --> 00:50:42,185 So she always kept that um, memory 559 00:50:42,187 --> 00:50:48,025 of being proud of being Cherokee. 560 00:50:48,027 --> 00:50:49,826 Being part Native was very meaningful to my grandmother. 561 00:50:49,828 --> 00:50:54,867 She talked about that a lot and really instilled that in all of us, but especially Jimi. 562 00:50:58,004 --> 00:51:02,172 She was a-a singer, a dancer, and she was in Vaudeville. 563 00:51:06,978 --> 00:51:14,085 She had this beautiful trunk, and it had feathers and boas and velvet, 564 00:51:14,087 --> 00:51:17,388 and Jimi used to love to play in this trunk. 565 00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:20,924 Try on the vests, try on the hats with a huge feather 566 00:51:20,926 --> 00:51:24,864 and beautiful tan suede coats that were full of fringe. 567 00:51:28,134 --> 00:51:31,835 Back then, my room was covered with Jimi posters. 568 00:51:31,837 --> 00:51:35,505 And I used to have to kind of laugh because some of the posters, 569 00:51:35,507 --> 00:51:40,511 they made Jimi really dark, like really like super dark. 570 00:51:40,513 --> 00:51:43,379 And I was just like, he wasn't that dark. 571 00:51:43,381 --> 00:51:50,453 And he was very, very fair and he had caramel coloured skin and beautiful almond-shaped eyes, 572 00:51:50,455 --> 00:51:54,859 and you could definitely tell he had various cultures that he was born with. 573 00:52:01,868 --> 00:52:07,471 The package that was Jimi Hendrix was that indigenous quality that he had in him 574 00:52:07,473 --> 00:52:10,141 that a lot of people don't know that he had in him. 575 00:52:10,143 --> 00:52:14,078 But, you know, to bring that to the stage and celebrate it through his music 576 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,114 and his presence, you know, that adds to the power, man. 577 00:52:32,064 --> 00:52:34,601 So during that period of time, now Indians are in. 578 00:52:37,837 --> 00:52:39,837 The hippies, the flower children emerging. 579 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,608 So they want to be Indians themselves. 580 00:52:51,517 --> 00:52:55,419 When he went up to Woodstock you have the beautiful white jacket with fringe, 581 00:52:55,421 --> 00:52:58,087 with turquoise beading. 582 00:52:58,089 --> 00:53:02,859 Part of it is, yes, it is the '60s, but for him it was much more meaningful than that. 583 00:53:02,861 --> 00:53:08,098 When we reached the site of the Woodstock Festival, 584 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,835 Mitch Mitchell, the drummer, looked out he says, "Oh my goodness!" 585 00:53:10,837 --> 00:53:12,203 he'd never seen that many people before. 586 00:53:12,205 --> 00:53:15,339 And I said, "What is it, Mitch?" And I looked out and said, "Oh no!" 587 00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:22,179 And then Jimi looked out and said, "Hm," with all the wisdom that he had, 588 00:53:22,181 --> 00:53:24,448 I don't know where he got this wisdom, but he said, 589 00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:28,585 "You know, those people are sending a lot of energy up on stage, 590 00:53:28,587 --> 00:53:33,424 so let us take that energy, utilize it, and send it back to them." 591 00:53:37,997 --> 00:53:44,567 I see that we meet again. Hmm. Well, well, well. 592 00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:48,004 And when he's doing the Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock 593 00:53:48,006 --> 00:53:53,476 it just sounded like everything that had happened up to that point in his life, 594 00:53:53,478 --> 00:53:56,413 in his family's life, it was this amazing collision 595 00:53:56,415 --> 00:54:03,187 of putting what the country was going through or or his generation to sound. 596 00:54:03,189 --> 00:54:05,489 You know, it was a pretty amazing moment. 597 00:54:19,205 --> 00:54:22,573 I think he was including all of his frustration 598 00:54:22,575 --> 00:54:25,576 with civil rights, with racism, 599 00:54:25,578 --> 00:54:29,379 with the war in Vietnam, with political oppression, 600 00:54:29,381 --> 00:54:31,547 and I think they all come out in his playing. 601 00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:34,284 I mean, you hear it. He's painting a picture for you. 602 00:54:34,286 --> 00:54:35,652 All you gotta do is listen. 603 00:54:46,431 --> 00:54:49,533 Some people thought at that time it was sacrilegious. 604 00:54:49,535 --> 00:54:55,004 And my dad got really tense and he wasn't breathing and I was like, "Are you OK?" 605 00:54:55,006 --> 00:54:57,507 And he said. 606 00:54:57,509 --> 00:55:01,511 He kept looking over at the police officer and he said, "I really..." once it was over, 607 00:55:01,513 --> 00:55:05,181 he could breathe, because he thought the police officer was going to arrest him, 608 00:55:05,183 --> 00:55:07,417 because you just didn't do that then. 609 00:55:08,955 --> 00:55:12,288 He was very proud. 610 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:18,962 I mean, he was very proud of being Native and being African American and being Scottish. 611 00:55:18,964 --> 00:55:23,299 It's part of your legacy; it's part of your heritage; it's part of who you are 612 00:55:23,301 --> 00:55:25,572 and what you want to reflect and represent. 613 00:55:30,475 --> 00:55:33,310 It's kind of the American superhero in a way. 614 00:55:33,312 --> 00:55:38,214 It's like, he's a little bit of everything and uh, and, but none of it's diluted. 615 00:55:38,216 --> 00:55:41,752 It's like he's more powerful because of it. 616 00:56:07,113 --> 00:56:15,185 Yonge Street from when I was very young, it was a centre of music 617 00:56:15,187 --> 00:56:18,054 that I didn't know how things were 618 00:56:18,056 --> 00:56:22,158 in Chicago or Detroit of New York, 619 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,228 but Yonge Street was on fire. 620 00:56:34,105 --> 00:56:37,306 You'd try to listen through the doors or peek through the windows, 621 00:56:37,308 --> 00:56:40,044 and then somebody would go in one of these places 622 00:56:40,046 --> 00:56:42,279 and you would hear the music come flooding out 623 00:56:42,281 --> 00:56:47,250 and it would be like, "Oh, did you hear that?" you know, just those few seconds. 624 00:56:54,326 --> 00:56:58,694 When I was sixteen, Ronnie Hawkins hired me to play in the Hawks. 625 00:57:02,835 --> 00:57:05,201 All of a sudden, they were our Beatles. 626 00:57:05,203 --> 00:57:08,272 These guys could do no wrong. They just killed me. 627 00:57:08,274 --> 00:57:13,176 ♪ Hey, Bo Diddley! ♪ 628 00:57:13,178 --> 00:57:16,245 And Robbie was just outrageous. 629 00:57:16,247 --> 00:57:23,821 He'd launch into a solo and we'd just stand there and think, "Oh my God, listen to this guy play. 630 00:57:23,823 --> 00:57:25,422 How does he do that?" 631 00:57:29,627 --> 00:57:35,098 Robbie came up with something that I hadn't heard anybody else do. 632 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,502 He just didn't play like anybody else. 633 00:58:04,562 --> 00:58:11,534 My real guitar lessons were at the Six Nation Indian Reserve. 634 00:58:11,536 --> 00:58:19,643 All my cousins, uncles, aunts, everybody, seemed like they could play an instrument. 635 00:58:19,645 --> 00:58:31,621 ♪ Oh, sometimes I can see The things you wanted me to be ♪ 636 00:58:31,623 --> 00:58:39,196 This mix between a Native kind of music and a country kind of music. 637 00:58:39,198 --> 00:58:41,899 So I thought, well, this is just what you do. 638 00:58:41,901 --> 00:58:46,335 I've got to learn how to do this. I've got to get into this club. 639 00:58:46,337 --> 00:58:50,274 And there was this key expression, 640 00:58:50,276 --> 00:58:54,210 "Be proud you're an Indian, but be careful who you tell." 641 00:58:58,517 --> 00:59:01,784 And I used to tell everybody that one of these days 642 00:59:01,786 --> 00:59:05,288 I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna play music all over the world. 643 00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:11,395 And they'd be like, "You know, we don't want to see you get a broken heart, 644 00:59:11,397 --> 00:59:13,964 because that doesn't happen to people like us." 645 00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:23,707 I was like, "No, no, no, you can't spoil my dream. I'm in the middle of it." You know. 646 00:59:23,709 --> 00:59:25,975 "Don't wake me up now." 647 00:59:25,977 --> 00:59:29,580 And so I went and I pursued these things. 648 00:59:29,582 --> 00:59:34,984 And then joining up with Bob Dylan, and then we're in a musical revolution now. 649 00:59:34,986 --> 00:59:38,455 Now we're doing something that has reverberations around the world. 650 00:59:38,457 --> 00:59:40,390 Don't boo me anymore. 651 00:59:40,392 --> 00:59:43,960 Don't boo me, God they're booing, I can't stand it. 652 00:59:43,962 --> 00:59:46,797 Oh my God, it's hard to get in tune when they're booing! 653 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:51,000 When Bob decided to take a band out, he chose the Hawks. 654 00:59:51,002 --> 00:59:52,935 Just as the folk world's starting to 655 00:59:52,937 --> 00:59:56,505 finally relate to him, he leaves. 656 00:59:56,507 --> 01:00:01,380 He plugs in, causing enormous reactions. 657 01:00:05,817 --> 01:00:09,121 That group considered electrified rock and roll commercial. 658 01:00:11,556 --> 01:00:14,357 And therefore, a betrayal politically. 659 01:00:14,359 --> 01:00:16,993 And I think they caught the brunt of it. 660 01:00:16,995 --> 01:00:22,366 I think then Dylan says, "Play it fuckin' loud." And they played Like a Rolling Stone. 661 01:00:22,368 --> 01:00:26,335 And Robbie is there literally, I think he said, "Play it fuckin' loud." 662 01:00:26,337 --> 01:00:27,603 Bang! He turned it up. 663 01:00:38,683 --> 01:00:40,850 And they were phenomenal, all right. 664 01:00:40,852 --> 01:00:44,487 This is one of the greatest... the band's greatest tours ever in history. 665 01:00:48,493 --> 01:00:50,359 And people would boo. 666 01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:08,011 Every night in every place we'd play, people would boo and throw stuff at you. 667 01:01:08,013 --> 01:01:11,580 You'd pack up your equipment and you'd go on to the next place 668 01:01:11,582 --> 01:01:14,583 and people would boo you and throw stuff at you. 669 01:01:14,585 --> 01:01:18,955 And you'd think, "What a strange way to make a buck, you know." 670 01:01:18,957 --> 01:01:23,527 Robbie Robertson told me, he says, "We started taping the shows to listen 671 01:01:23,529 --> 01:01:26,096 in the hotel room because we're like, what are we missing here? 672 01:01:26,098 --> 01:01:29,031 Why-why-why are we-why are they booing this? 673 01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:31,768 Because this sounds pretty good to me." 674 01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:35,938 But after a while, we got so we were doing it really well, 675 01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:39,509 and there was an attitude towards the music. 676 01:01:39,511 --> 01:01:46,817 And uh, a violence and a dynamic and something that you just didn't hear anywhere else. 677 01:01:46,819 --> 01:01:52,922 And as that grew, I started to think, which is pretty bold, 678 01:01:52,924 --> 01:01:55,725 we're right, and the world is wrong. 679 01:01:58,629 --> 01:02:00,897 ♪ That's when that little love of mine ♪ 680 01:02:00,899 --> 01:02:04,734 ♪ Dips her donut in my tea ♪ 681 01:02:04,736 --> 01:02:08,038 ♪ Up on Cripple Creek she sends me ♪ 682 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,574 ♪ If I spring a leak, she mends me ♪ 683 01:02:11,576 --> 01:02:14,911 ♪ I don't have to speak; she defends me ♪ 684 01:02:14,913 --> 01:02:21,752 ♪ A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one. ♪ 685 01:02:21,754 --> 01:02:27,457 The entire industry got right back to song-writing and Robbie Robertson, 686 01:02:27,459 --> 01:02:31,460 one of the great song writers of all time, had effectuated that change 687 01:02:31,462 --> 01:02:35,132 by his own sensibility and the band's sensibility. 688 01:02:38,937 --> 01:02:41,804 It seems like at a time when everything was psychedelic and all this stuff, 689 01:02:41,806 --> 01:02:46,842 then The Band came out and they kind of brought everything back to earth. 690 01:02:46,844 --> 01:02:49,413 I mean, Clapton wanted to be in The Band. 691 01:02:49,415 --> 01:02:51,080 And George Harrison wanted to be in The Band. 692 01:02:51,082 --> 01:02:52,684 Everybody wanted to be in The Band. 693 01:02:57,922 --> 01:03:02,893 They became instant classics, and they were milestones in American music, 694 01:03:02,895 --> 01:03:04,630 because it was a new standard. 695 01:03:07,198 --> 01:03:11,868 We wanted it to be more than just a concert, we wanted it to be a celebration. 696 01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:14,103 He said that The Band is gonna give its last performance 697 01:03:14,105 --> 01:03:17,007 and they're gonna have all these guests. 698 01:03:17,009 --> 01:03:18,841 Everyone from Van Morrison and Muddy Waters 699 01:03:18,843 --> 01:03:23,078 to Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, you know, Ronnie Hawkins. 700 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:29,219 I said, "Well, forget it." I said, "This has somehow gotta be recorded." 701 01:03:29,221 --> 01:03:34,924 ♪ The night they drove Old Dixie down ♪ 702 01:03:34,926 --> 01:03:37,761 ♪ And all the people were singing, they went ♪ 703 01:03:37,763 --> 01:03:41,230 ♪ Nah nah nah nah nah ♪ 704 01:03:41,232 --> 01:03:43,766 Listen to the lyrics of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down 705 01:03:43,768 --> 01:03:45,701 over and over again and still find something new. 706 01:03:45,703 --> 01:03:49,772 It's still, when you hear their music, it's not of the past. 707 01:03:49,774 --> 01:03:51,177 It's of the present. 708 01:04:18,236 --> 01:04:22,638 My name is B. Mitchell Reid and I'm talking here with Jesse Ed Davis. 709 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,641 How'd you pick up a guitar? 710 01:04:24,643 --> 01:04:26,942 Jimmy Reed and Elvis Presley came on. 711 01:04:26,944 --> 01:04:28,545 That really did it for me. 712 01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:49,702 I can't say enough about how valuable Jesse Davis was. 713 01:04:53,672 --> 01:05:00,143 He had a special touch, special sound for the blues, which I love the way he played. 714 01:05:00,145 --> 01:05:03,846 When I listen to his solo to this day I hear every note. 715 01:05:03,848 --> 01:05:07,116 But with Jesse Ed you always felt like there was more in his back pocket. 716 01:05:07,118 --> 01:05:10,587 You never felt like you got everything he had. 717 01:05:19,864 --> 01:05:24,100 I particularly fell in love with Jesse Edwin Davis because he was with Taj Mahal, 718 01:05:24,102 --> 01:05:28,605 and Taj's album is what spurred me to rock more. 719 01:05:28,607 --> 01:05:30,140 That-that touched something inside of me. 720 01:05:36,214 --> 01:05:40,583 So we're playing live at the Whisky a Go Go. 721 01:05:40,585 --> 01:05:43,219 I usually played my harmonica with my eyes closed. 722 01:05:43,221 --> 01:05:46,723 And I happened to open them up in the middle and looked down on the floor 723 01:05:46,725 --> 01:05:53,996 and there's Mick Jagger dancing; there's Brian Jones dancing; there is Keith Richards dancing. 724 01:05:53,998 --> 01:05:55,864 And it was just one of the best times. 725 01:05:55,866 --> 01:05:57,902 It was just... it couldn't have been better. 726 01:06:06,611 --> 01:06:13,049 And somewhere along the last part of November, eight tickets came to our manager's office. 727 01:06:13,051 --> 01:06:16,752 First-class round trip tickets on BOAC to London. 728 01:06:16,754 --> 01:06:19,656 And to be asked to the Rolling Stones. 729 01:06:19,658 --> 01:06:20,824 The rest is history. 730 01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:28,732 I don't think Taj was selling a lot of records at that point, 731 01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:32,002 but then they went to England and did the Rock and Roll Circus. 732 01:06:42,381 --> 01:06:45,214 And Jesse met John Lennon. 733 01:06:45,216 --> 01:06:48,118 And they hit it off like long lost brothers. 734 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,654 And so of course John just fell in love with this guy. 735 01:06:55,259 --> 01:06:59,862 When Jesse went over and they found out that he was Native, 736 01:06:59,864 --> 01:07:03,833 they were so enthralled with that, they took to him right away. 737 01:07:03,835 --> 01:07:09,105 I gotta commend him for being bold enough to come right out and being proud of his culture 738 01:07:09,107 --> 01:07:11,940 and proud of his blood line. 739 01:07:11,942 --> 01:07:14,810 Jesse had a bit of exotic about him too. 740 01:07:14,812 --> 01:07:24,087 He was Native American, he was a cool dresser, and he played great, tight, dynamic blues. 741 01:07:24,089 --> 01:07:29,158 And the British rock aristocracy, they loved this, you know. 742 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,261 This is something they can't get naturally. 743 01:07:32,263 --> 01:07:33,996 They have to import it. 744 01:07:33,998 --> 01:07:37,132 So that's why Jesse became such a go-to guy. 745 01:07:37,134 --> 01:07:39,902 John Lennon loved Jesse Ed over the moon. 746 01:07:39,904 --> 01:07:43,973 He thought he was one of the greatest guitar players he's ever heard. 747 01:07:43,975 --> 01:07:46,408 That's how I got into the Bangladesh concert. 748 01:07:46,410 --> 01:07:51,413 About two days before the concert, Eric Clapton came down really sick 749 01:07:51,415 --> 01:07:54,484 and George called me up and said, "Look, will you play?" 750 01:07:54,486 --> 01:07:56,752 And of course I said yes. 751 01:07:56,754 --> 01:07:58,087 I just jumped at the chance. 752 01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:59,855 This is Jesse Ed Davis. 753 01:08:03,261 --> 01:08:05,127 Everybody wanted to use him at that point. 754 01:08:05,129 --> 01:08:09,499 Here he is with the Beatles, Clapton, you know uh, the biggest, 755 01:08:09,501 --> 01:08:13,402 most important musicians in the world, they all wanted him. 756 01:08:13,404 --> 01:08:17,774 When I was making my first record I thought, you know, like I get Jesse Ed to play, 757 01:08:17,776 --> 01:08:22,311 and I called him and he listened to the song I had in mind for him to play 758 01:08:22,313 --> 01:08:25,414 and he said, "I don't really hear myself playing on this. 759 01:08:25,416 --> 01:08:27,350 You got anything else?" 760 01:08:27,352 --> 01:08:33,323 I said, "Yeah, well, okay, cue up that other song." 761 01:08:33,325 --> 01:08:37,927 And uh, and that other song was the song that he wound up playing on Doctor my Eyes. 762 01:08:37,929 --> 01:08:41,498 He played it once. He listened to it for a minute and he said, 763 01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:43,999 "Okay, I can play this. This. I can play on this." 764 01:08:44,001 --> 01:08:50,073 And he says, "Just cue it up and I..." he goes out and he's tuning his guitar. 765 01:08:50,075 --> 01:08:51,708 I mean, I wound up just recording everything. 766 01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:57,480 I said, "You better record everything." So he tunes up as he's getting to the solo 767 01:08:57,482 --> 01:08:59,915 and he says, "OK, that's the solo? OK." 768 01:08:59,917 --> 01:09:04,119 And he didn't do the whole length of it or anything like that, he's like, "OK." 769 01:09:04,121 --> 01:09:06,455 And he played this solo once. 770 01:09:16,468 --> 01:09:22,472 My record comes out and he's shocked to find out that it's a hit; it's like a top ten hit. 771 01:09:22,474 --> 01:09:27,142 Like, he's all over the place; everybody's saying, "Who is that guitar player?" 772 01:09:27,144 --> 01:09:31,513 And people still want to play that solo if they play that song. 773 01:09:31,515 --> 01:09:38,156 ♪ Doctor, my Eyes Cannot see the sky ♪ 774 01:09:44,996 --> 01:09:49,164 He was hanging out with some very important people, big rock 'n' roll people, 775 01:09:49,166 --> 01:09:54,570 who were very into heroin. And they just did it. 776 01:09:54,572 --> 01:09:57,606 - It was like, "Want to try some of this?" - "Sure." 777 01:09:57,608 --> 01:10:02,445 The Jesse Ed that I knew before he left on the, uh, Rod Stewart and Faces tour 778 01:10:02,447 --> 01:10:04,750 was not the Jesse that came home. 779 01:10:06,885 --> 01:10:11,023 He came back from that tour a junkie, and he wasn't before. 780 01:10:13,358 --> 01:10:19,061 He went and checked into yet another rehab for Indian people: the Eagle Lodge. 781 01:10:19,063 --> 01:10:21,364 And by then I was done. 782 01:10:21,366 --> 01:10:26,401 I'm, like, "Show me a year; I want to see that one year chip or don't bother coming home." 783 01:10:26,403 --> 01:10:31,074 In 1985 I was speaking at Cal State Long Beach and Jesse was in a halfway house, 784 01:10:31,076 --> 01:10:33,442 the Eagle Lodge Halfway House in Long Beach 785 01:10:33,444 --> 01:10:37,146 and so that whole crew from that halfway house came to my speaking thing. 786 01:10:37,148 --> 01:10:41,551 And then Jesse introduced himself and the first thing he did was he me his name 787 01:10:41,553 --> 01:10:45,120 and the second thing he said to me was he could make music from my words. 788 01:10:45,122 --> 01:10:48,423 See, and I had been looking for two years for somebody to do that. 789 01:10:48,425 --> 01:10:50,159 ♪ Grafitti Man's got something to say ♪ 790 01:10:52,596 --> 01:10:54,030 ♪ Message in a scrawl ♪ 791 01:10:54,032 --> 01:10:55,397 ♪ Message on the wall ♪ 792 01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:57,967 ♪ Put on blinders! ♪ 793 01:10:57,969 --> 01:11:04,574 Grafitti Man with John Trudell; I thought this was so original 794 01:11:04,576 --> 01:11:11,213 and there was something just beautiful about what they were doing together. 795 01:11:11,215 --> 01:11:17,486 And Bob Dylan got a copy of it and he did this interview with Rolling Stone 796 01:11:17,488 --> 01:11:19,655 and he said it was the best album of the year. 797 01:11:19,657 --> 01:11:22,193 He's the one that got attention to us. 798 01:11:24,996 --> 01:11:28,563 This is '85 when they did the first record and he was completely sober 799 01:11:28,565 --> 01:11:31,401 the entire time he was doing it. 800 01:11:31,403 --> 01:11:35,137 I know he was because I'm the Sobriety Sargent-at-Arms, and so is John. 801 01:11:37,442 --> 01:11:41,343 When he showed up in my life, ex-drug-addict; he's fightin' a habit 802 01:11:41,345 --> 01:11:44,446 and I'm an ex-kicked out militant political activist. 803 01:11:44,448 --> 01:11:46,682 You know, there's no demographic for us. Fuck. 804 01:11:48,053 --> 01:11:50,052 I mean in reality who's gonna take us on? 805 01:11:50,054 --> 01:11:51,687 Because there's no demographic for that. 806 01:11:58,964 --> 01:12:04,499 I'm real proud to be playing with John Trudell and I'm real proud to be an Indian. 807 01:12:04,501 --> 01:12:10,505 And this is, uh, something I hope that doesn't go by you, what we're trying to do. 808 01:12:14,412 --> 01:12:20,383 What Jesse did was he brought me music, he gave me a band; 809 01:12:20,385 --> 01:12:22,618 he dressed me up as a rock 'n' roller. 810 01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:27,089 He put me on stage, helped me learn how to be on stage, and then he checked out. 811 01:12:27,091 --> 01:12:28,591 That's what Jesse did. 812 01:12:28,593 --> 01:12:30,360 I mean that's the way I look at it. 813 01:12:34,331 --> 01:12:38,401 Now here's a guy who can play guitar; can make you cry 814 01:12:38,403 --> 01:12:42,038 and make you laugh and make you think. 815 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:48,677 Yet he was self-medicating himself to a degree; he must have been in so much pain 816 01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:52,147 that he was taking so much medicine that it eventually killed him. 817 01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:55,785 And they found him dead on the floor of the laundry room of his apartment building 818 01:12:55,787 --> 01:12:58,454 in Culver City with a needle in his arm. 819 01:12:58,456 --> 01:13:01,490 So the demons came back. 820 01:13:01,492 --> 01:13:04,494 If he had been cleaned up, something got him back. 821 01:13:04,496 --> 01:13:08,263 It broke my heart. 822 01:13:08,265 --> 01:13:13,468 We thought our contribution was really very positive. 823 01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:18,540 We walked the land, played the music that we loved. 824 01:13:18,542 --> 01:13:23,781 And, uh, some of us lived to talk about it. 825 01:13:35,626 --> 01:13:38,326 There's nobody who plays like him. 826 01:13:38,328 --> 01:13:41,463 He's not gone; he is everywhere. 827 01:13:41,465 --> 01:13:45,601 I can't put a radio on, I can't go to the market... anywhere-he's everywhere. 828 01:13:50,442 --> 01:13:55,177 I want that music to continue to bring joy and blow people's minds always, 829 01:13:55,179 --> 01:13:57,547 and it always will. 830 01:13:57,549 --> 01:14:03,785 ♪ Doctor, my eyes Cannot see the sky ♪ 831 01:14:03,787 --> 01:14:11,295 ♪ Is this the prize For having learned how not to cry? ♪ 832 01:14:19,737 --> 01:14:22,472 That's why Pat and Lolly Vegas ask you, Do you want to dance? 833 01:14:30,648 --> 01:14:34,249 ♪ Do you wanna dance and hold my hand? ♪ 834 01:14:34,251 --> 01:14:36,785 ♪ Tell me I'm your lovin' man ♪ 835 01:14:36,787 --> 01:14:41,257 ♪ Oh baby, do you wanna dance? ♪ 836 01:14:41,259 --> 01:14:42,825 My grandfather had a guitar. 837 01:14:42,827 --> 01:14:45,561 He set it above the armoire, you know, and he said, 838 01:14:45,563 --> 01:14:47,829 "When you can reach that guitar you can have it." 839 01:14:47,831 --> 01:14:50,732 And, uh-so I stood on a chair and took it. 840 01:14:50,734 --> 01:14:53,735 ♪ Do you wanna dance? ♪ 841 01:14:53,737 --> 01:14:55,437 I just got the bug, you know. 842 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,772 Once I got it, that was it; it was over. 843 01:14:57,774 --> 01:15:00,375 That's all I wanted to do, you know. 844 01:15:00,377 --> 01:15:03,812 My brother and I, we said we're either gonna go to New York or L.A. 845 01:15:03,814 --> 01:15:07,383 to pursue the music, to pursue the dream, you know? 846 01:15:07,385 --> 01:15:09,552 And, uh, we flipped a coin; it came out L.A. 847 01:15:15,326 --> 01:15:18,628 Was it hard? Like, when you guys first came to Hollywood, 848 01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:20,762 two guys from northern California; you know, dark skin. 849 01:15:20,764 --> 01:15:23,699 I know it must have been hard for you to get jobs and shit so. 850 01:15:23,701 --> 01:15:25,133 Yeah, 'cause they weren't hiring. 851 01:15:25,135 --> 01:15:29,871 The Sunset Strip and Hollywood wasn't hiring anybody that was ethnic. 852 01:15:29,873 --> 01:15:34,310 Like black or brown. You had to be strictly white. 853 01:15:34,312 --> 01:15:40,449 Now? Another Gazzarri hotspot! Hollywood A Go-Go on the Sunset Strip! 854 01:15:40,451 --> 01:15:44,853 These are the lucky ones; they got inside. Not everyone was so fortunate. 855 01:15:44,855 --> 01:15:48,391 We went and played at Gazzarri's on the Strip. It used to be a block, two blocks 856 01:15:48,393 --> 01:15:51,826 down the street waiting to get in every night, seven days a week. 857 01:15:51,828 --> 01:15:53,795 Did they have all sorts of different bands rotating out? 858 01:15:53,797 --> 01:15:56,632 No, just one band. Headlining Vegas. 859 01:15:56,634 --> 01:16:02,704 ♪ Oh, baby! Do you wanna dance? ♪ 860 01:16:02,706 --> 01:16:06,542 We were wearing really nice mohair suits with nice black shoes. 861 01:16:06,544 --> 01:16:08,910 ♪ Do you, do you, do you wanna dance? ♪ 862 01:16:08,912 --> 01:16:12,847 And we did our Cajun set and we wore bib overalls. 863 01:16:12,849 --> 01:16:17,253 I had to keep changing so I had to do something that we could actually hold onto 864 01:16:17,255 --> 01:16:19,821 and it would be ours. 865 01:16:19,823 --> 01:16:23,659 Jimi was one of the people that supported us the most. 866 01:16:23,661 --> 01:16:28,763 He's the one that told us in the very beginning, "Do the Indian thing, man." 867 01:16:28,765 --> 01:16:32,701 To see them on Midnight Special doing Come And Get Your Love 868 01:16:32,703 --> 01:16:35,237 in full regalia 869 01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:39,408 doing the drum chants before they would go into one of their hit records... 870 01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:42,611 That was actually-that was pretty heavy. 871 01:16:42,613 --> 01:16:47,749 ♪ ♪ 872 01:16:47,751 --> 01:16:50,018 We used to mic the floor, you know. 873 01:16:50,020 --> 01:16:53,955 So when we came out, the stomping sounded like a herd of buffalo coming. 874 01:16:53,957 --> 01:16:55,691 You know what I mean? It really sounded loud. 875 01:16:58,929 --> 01:17:04,734 There we were, uh, four young Native Americans doing these chants, these primitive chants 876 01:17:04,736 --> 01:17:07,436 and then all of a sudden going to this rock 'n' roll. 877 01:17:07,438 --> 01:17:10,806 And then put the two together and the people would just say, 878 01:17:10,808 --> 01:17:13,642 "Wow, what's going on? What's going on here?" 879 01:17:19,884 --> 01:17:30,726 ♪ Hell, hell, what's the matter with your head? ♪ 880 01:17:30,728 --> 01:17:32,160 They couldn't believe it. 881 01:17:32,162 --> 01:17:36,832 Here they are, these four Indians, with you know, garb and moccasins 882 01:17:36,834 --> 01:17:40,902 and all the things that they've seen in film actually playing rock, you know. 883 01:17:40,904 --> 01:17:45,341 And our album came out and it just took off and it went crazy. 884 01:17:45,343 --> 01:17:49,744 You know Come And Get Your Love, it's in Guardians of the Galaxy. 885 01:17:49,746 --> 01:17:57,352 ♪ Hell, hell what the matter with your head yeah ♪ 886 01:17:57,354 --> 01:18:02,825 When the hero is marching through the alien landscape knocking off monsters 887 01:18:02,827 --> 01:18:05,660 and all this stuff, he's strutting to Redbone. 888 01:18:11,336 --> 01:18:14,337 There's a real conqueror's vibe to that song. 889 01:18:14,339 --> 01:18:17,839 It's a great track; it's a great song and they were a great band. 890 01:18:17,841 --> 01:18:19,508 And they're great artists, you know. 891 01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:28,950 Uh, it's not easy to come up with a really accessible, funky, heartfelt hit single; 892 01:18:28,952 --> 01:18:31,353 that's not an easy thing to do and they did it. 893 01:18:31,355 --> 01:18:39,594 ♪ Come and get your love Come and get your love ♪ 894 01:18:39,596 --> 01:18:45,500 You can be explicitly political and make an important point, 895 01:18:45,502 --> 01:18:49,105 but ultimately getting through is the best revenge. 896 01:18:49,107 --> 01:18:52,107 You want to do it with class; you want to do it with dignity. 897 01:18:52,109 --> 01:18:54,008 And Redbone did that. 898 01:18:54,010 --> 01:18:56,945 They had the class; they had the dignity; they had the hooks. 899 01:18:56,947 --> 01:18:58,047 And they got through. 900 01:18:58,049 --> 01:18:59,615 So they win. 901 01:19:17,635 --> 01:19:21,102 I come from, uh, East Los Angeles, California, living in the barrios. 902 01:19:21,104 --> 01:19:22,871 I lived in the barrios. You did? Where? 903 01:19:22,873 --> 01:19:24,507 I was in east L.A. on Geraghty. 904 01:19:24,509 --> 01:19:25,775 Dude, I lived in Boyle Heights-Dogtown. 905 01:19:25,777 --> 01:19:26,709 I was in Geraghty, dude. 906 01:19:26,711 --> 01:19:27,910 Wow! 907 01:19:27,912 --> 01:19:29,414 Yes, East L.A. Represent, Dude. 908 01:19:32,617 --> 01:19:35,750 Bass line off of your song it mirrors, uh, the song we had, uh, 909 01:19:35,752 --> 01:19:37,919 called Let's Get It Started that we did in 2003. 910 01:19:37,921 --> 01:19:39,655 Yeah, I loved that. 911 01:19:39,657 --> 01:19:41,990 Yeah, it's got that-it's got that haunting, like, walking, like, 912 01:19:41,992 --> 01:19:44,526 ♪ Domp, domp, domp, domp, domp, domp, domp, domp, domp, ♪ Ghost Spirit. 913 01:19:55,706 --> 01:19:57,573 You got twenty-five thousand people in an audience 914 01:19:57,575 --> 01:19:59,141 singing Let's Get It Started, 915 01:19:59,143 --> 01:20:02,647 dancing to that bass line and people are going bananas. 916 01:20:05,715 --> 01:20:08,953 The Black Eyed Peas sold sixty million records around the world. 917 01:20:11,922 --> 01:20:16,959 I grew up understanding my Mexican roots more than my Native roots. 918 01:20:16,961 --> 01:20:19,962 There has to be something that sparks you and some people will be, like, 919 01:20:19,964 --> 01:20:25,200 "Well, it was my dad or my mom." But honestly for me it was my grandma. 920 01:20:25,202 --> 01:20:28,169 When I went to my grandmother as I got older, 921 01:20:28,171 --> 01:20:32,007 she would start breaking out the old old photo albums. 922 01:20:32,009 --> 01:20:37,045 By bringing me into her culture, which was, uh, Shoshone, 923 01:20:37,047 --> 01:20:41,717 it set me into understanding where I come from. 924 01:20:41,719 --> 01:20:43,418 It started making sense to him. 925 01:20:43,420 --> 01:20:48,022 Like, "Why do I feel this way? Why do I hear things this way? Why do I dance this way? 926 01:20:48,024 --> 01:20:52,494 And can fit these rhythms in that are neither black nor white. 927 01:20:52,496 --> 01:20:56,130 I started realizing how important and how beautiful 928 01:20:56,132 --> 01:20:58,566 being Shoshone and being Mexican were. 929 01:21:11,849 --> 01:21:15,750 When you hear something that you sparked off and inspired so many people 930 01:21:15,752 --> 01:21:18,587 and you weren't aware of that and it just takes you by surprise- 931 01:21:18,589 --> 01:21:20,155 Yeah. Yeah. It was inspiring. 932 01:21:20,157 --> 01:21:21,789 You know, I-I want to do another one. 933 01:21:24,261 --> 01:21:27,562 You know, I love that you and I come from the same background. 934 01:21:27,564 --> 01:21:33,102 Our stories are similar and it's good to see positive brothers trying to inspire. 935 01:21:33,104 --> 01:21:37,172 That just lifts me up; I'm off the ground right now, you know. 936 01:21:37,174 --> 01:21:39,107 That's a beautiful thing for me. 937 01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:16,381 Rock 'n' roll! Heavy metal! Party! Rock's bitchin! 938 01:22:20,017 --> 01:22:22,351 I moved to L.A. in 1985. 939 01:22:22,353 --> 01:22:26,655 The Sunset Strip back then was packed and crazy every night. 940 01:22:26,657 --> 01:22:31,360 All the girls had like no clothes on; all the guys had crazy hair. 941 01:22:31,362 --> 01:22:35,597 You'd be in front of the Roxy and you'd see Axl, Slash, Matt Sorum, 942 01:22:35,599 --> 01:22:39,301 you'd see all these guys who were pretty much gonna be the future of rock 'n' roll, 943 01:22:39,303 --> 01:22:42,370 I mean everybody was there. 944 01:22:42,372 --> 01:22:46,275 I wanted to be a rock star; I didn't want to be like an "Indian rock star" 945 01:22:46,277 --> 01:22:48,110 I wanted just to be a rock star. 946 01:22:48,112 --> 01:22:51,146 I was homeless, I was broke, but I knew I was going to have to 947 01:22:51,148 --> 01:22:54,182 come up with some kind of of identity if I was going to make it. 948 01:22:54,184 --> 01:22:58,686 In L.A., I really didn't fit in because I wasn't black and I wasn't white. 949 01:22:58,688 --> 01:23:01,923 So I was a rock guy but I really loved black music. 950 01:23:01,925 --> 01:23:05,727 I was playing with George Clinton and Bootsy Collins 951 01:23:05,729 --> 01:23:08,163 and everyone in town thought I was this super funk guitar player. 952 01:23:08,165 --> 01:23:11,366 But the truth is they wouldn't even let me play any funk on their records at all; 953 01:23:11,368 --> 01:23:13,701 they'd only let me play rock. 954 01:23:13,703 --> 01:23:16,070 But I'd watch them and I'd learn, because those guys could play funk 955 01:23:16,072 --> 01:23:19,374 like on a whole other level. 956 01:23:19,376 --> 01:23:22,311 Then I'd get around my white friends and I'd play some funk 957 01:23:22,313 --> 01:23:25,179 and then my funk would blow their funk away, right, 958 01:23:25,181 --> 01:23:27,650 so to them they all thought I was this funk guy. 959 01:23:27,652 --> 01:23:30,753 All of the sudden I'm at the Philadelphia Spectrum playing in front of 960 01:23:30,755 --> 01:23:33,955 25, 000 people with Rod Stewart rupping a solo on the song Dynamite. 961 01:23:40,930 --> 01:23:45,003 I mean this whole thing was madness to me. I mean, my last band was my high school band. 962 01:23:51,876 --> 01:23:54,709 Stevie Salas: bad rock 'n' roller; rock star. 963 01:23:54,711 --> 01:23:58,115 You got to have balls and that's what it takes for rock 'n' roll. 964 01:24:10,795 --> 01:24:14,829 So I'm on a private jet; I'm making tons of money and I have all these women, 965 01:24:14,831 --> 01:24:18,232 but pretty soon I don't know who I am anymore. 966 01:24:18,234 --> 01:24:22,937 Randy Castillo, he befriended me knowing I was a Native American 967 01:24:22,939 --> 01:24:26,374 and he met me right when I was finishing the Rod Stewart tour. 968 01:24:26,376 --> 01:24:31,413 I was going deeper and deeper into alcohol and partying and which girl I could be with 969 01:24:31,415 --> 01:24:35,017 and how much money I could make or house I could buy, 970 01:24:35,019 --> 01:24:37,985 and he could tell I was losing my mind. 971 01:24:37,987 --> 01:24:41,255 He said to me, "I'm going to take you to New Mexico". 972 01:25:12,523 --> 01:25:16,057 I'm taking John Trudell with me up to Taos. 973 01:25:16,059 --> 01:25:22,231 We want to get together and have a little bit of a talk about our departed friend Randy Castillo. 974 01:25:22,233 --> 01:25:23,766 Mr. Randy Castillo! 975 01:25:28,238 --> 01:25:29,404 Randy Castillo. 976 01:25:29,406 --> 01:25:31,272 Randy Castillo from New Mexico. 977 01:25:31,274 --> 01:25:33,909 He'd be like playing his drums. I remember he always did this thing 978 01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:35,910 where he hit the kick drum: boom, boom, boom. 979 01:25:35,912 --> 01:25:39,248 Mega-star. 980 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:40,481 Mega-star. 981 01:25:40,483 --> 01:25:41,784 Cover of every magazine. 982 01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:45,957 Mr. Randy Castillo! 983 01:25:58,301 --> 01:26:02,337 I was in Los Angeles and spent my time then going fucking nuts, right? 984 01:26:02,339 --> 01:26:06,542 You know, just every actress I could see, every Playboy bunny I could get; 985 01:26:06,544 --> 01:26:09,110 every cocktail I could drink. 986 01:26:09,112 --> 01:26:12,213 Me and Randy started becoming friends and he says, "You're pretty fucked up." 987 01:26:12,215 --> 01:26:14,449 He goes, "I need to take you to Indian country." 988 01:26:14,451 --> 01:26:15,918 Right. 989 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,451 I didn't really ever have heard that phrase. 990 01:26:17,453 --> 01:26:19,624 Indian country? He brought me here. 991 01:26:29,934 --> 01:26:32,601 The secret to Indian country is when you're losing your mind 992 01:26:32,603 --> 01:26:36,003 only lose the parts that need losing. 993 01:26:36,005 --> 01:26:37,573 - Right it is. I'll tell you. - Right. 994 01:26:44,514 --> 01:26:49,618 The last thing you wanted to be when you were my great-great-grandfather 995 01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:54,589 was an Indian because only bad things were happening to Indians. 996 01:26:54,591 --> 01:26:59,594 The Mexicans could chase the Apache into America without permission... 997 01:26:59,596 --> 01:27:03,065 if they they were in pursuit of killing Apache. 998 01:27:03,067 --> 01:27:05,566 The Americans could cross into Mexico without permission 999 01:27:05,568 --> 01:27:09,006 if they were chasing Apache and killing Apache. 1000 01:27:12,910 --> 01:27:15,343 It depended where you were at in the land. 1001 01:27:15,345 --> 01:27:19,513 Some places they would rather be an Indian than a Mexican. 1002 01:27:19,515 --> 01:27:23,418 And in some places they'd rather be a Mexican than an Indian. 1003 01:27:23,420 --> 01:27:25,387 All right? 1004 01:27:25,389 --> 01:27:28,222 Uh, and in some places, they didn't want to be either but they were 1005 01:27:28,224 --> 01:27:30,762 so some of them would be calling themselves Hispanic. 1006 01:27:34,398 --> 01:27:42,204 Randy Castillo was confident and loved being an Indian, heads up loud and proud and representing, 1007 01:27:42,206 --> 01:27:46,642 He was just such a beautiful man and a great ambassador for the American Indians. 1008 01:27:46,644 --> 01:27:50,544 He was just such a great drummer, number one. 1009 01:27:50,546 --> 01:27:54,982 And he was an amazing showman. 1010 01:27:54,984 --> 01:28:00,521 Randy's roots, his Native American roots, his New Mexican roots, made him stand out. 1011 01:28:00,523 --> 01:28:03,659 He was like a spirit; that's what you sensed coming into the room. 1012 01:28:03,661 --> 01:28:06,294 You know, if you walked into a room and he was there 1013 01:28:06,296 --> 01:28:08,496 and even if you didn't see him, you knew he was there. 1014 01:28:12,702 --> 01:28:17,405 He was just out there and he was putting it out there and he was like a magnet. 1015 01:28:17,407 --> 01:28:21,276 I mean, he knew exactly who he was, exactly who he was gonna be. 1016 01:28:21,278 --> 01:28:23,244 We were really close. 1017 01:28:23,246 --> 01:28:26,515 When we had a day off we'd spend it together; we'd go to a nightclub. 1018 01:28:26,517 --> 01:28:28,616 He rapidly became one of my best friends. 1019 01:28:29,486 --> 01:28:35,390 Ozzy! Ozzy! Ozzy! 1020 01:28:35,392 --> 01:28:39,227 Here's a song dedicated to Mr. Randy Castillo, it's a number called Tattooed Dancer. 1021 01:28:44,167 --> 01:28:50,304 Well, Randy had become one of the most influential heavy metal drummers in the world, 1022 01:28:50,306 --> 01:28:52,207 uh, because of his work with Ozzy. 1023 01:28:57,113 --> 01:29:04,418 And Ozzy always said he loved working with indigenous people, Hispanic people. 1024 01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:08,690 It was like he had a connection with them 'cause he felt they had better rhythm. 1025 01:29:08,692 --> 01:29:12,160 And he always mentioned Randy as being a direct connection 1026 01:29:12,162 --> 01:29:16,731 to that indigenous energy and that rhythm that he loved. 1027 01:29:39,255 --> 01:29:42,723 Oh say... my brothers. 1028 01:29:42,725 --> 01:29:43,725 How are you, man? 1029 01:29:43,727 --> 01:29:44,625 Good to see you. 1030 01:29:44,627 --> 01:29:46,194 How are you? 1031 01:30:01,278 --> 01:30:05,547 It was always in Randy's blood because... being Apache you know, 1032 01:30:05,549 --> 01:30:09,217 but he took it to a different level and went higher, 1033 01:30:09,219 --> 01:30:12,420 became one of the best drummers in the world. 1034 01:30:12,422 --> 01:30:16,591 I know when he saw Benito's drums he wanted a whole trap set like that. 1035 01:30:16,593 --> 01:30:18,493 You know. 1036 01:30:18,495 --> 01:30:21,195 And too bad we didn't get to do that, you know, for him. 1037 01:30:32,242 --> 01:30:37,712 He had a style that was obviously influenced by his roots, 1038 01:30:37,714 --> 01:30:41,216 kind of Indian drumming thing that was going underneath it; 1039 01:30:41,218 --> 01:30:43,685 he didn't drum like a normal person. 1040 01:30:43,687 --> 01:30:47,254 Normal people would just-you know, they just play drums like this. 1041 01:30:47,256 --> 01:30:50,292 But there was this 1042 01:30:50,294 --> 01:30:52,929 it was just this pounding thing that was going through everything. 1043 01:31:03,107 --> 01:31:06,240 It was his heartbeat; Randy's playing the heartbeat and that's it. 1044 01:31:06,242 --> 01:31:07,542 It's it; it's Indian country right there. 1045 01:31:07,544 --> 01:31:08,877 Bam! 1046 01:31:14,885 --> 01:31:18,887 A lot of that funk, it's from the earth; it's organic, you know. 1047 01:31:18,889 --> 01:31:23,758 It's-it comes from the war dances and there's something tribal about it. 1048 01:31:29,465 --> 01:31:30,832 It's very primal. 1049 01:31:30,834 --> 01:31:33,567 And that I always equate to his roots. 1050 01:31:33,569 --> 01:31:38,405 You know he had, uh, a grandmother who was a curandero, a healer. 1051 01:31:38,407 --> 01:31:42,143 And he was very much in touch with that kind of spiritual thinking 1052 01:31:42,145 --> 01:31:45,179 and his indigenous ancestry. 1053 01:31:45,181 --> 01:31:50,518 He transcended all of the civil stuff that you see on a day-to-day level. 1054 01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,521 He sort of had this little jump over where he had a path 1055 01:31:53,523 --> 01:31:57,526 that went back to that and he was constantly tapping into that 1056 01:31:57,528 --> 01:32:00,698 and bringing that in through his music, through the way he played. 1057 01:32:15,612 --> 01:32:19,181 And one day we were going somewhere and I went to pick him up and he said, 1058 01:32:19,183 --> 01:32:21,883 "Hey, you know I found something over here; I've got this little thing over here." 1059 01:32:21,885 --> 01:32:23,517 and I go, "What's that?" 1060 01:32:23,519 --> 01:32:25,853 And he goes, "Well, it's like a little bump." 1061 01:32:25,855 --> 01:32:28,656 And I said, "Well, it's probably you're picking at your, you know, 1062 01:32:28,658 --> 01:32:30,825 whiskers all the time or whatever it is you're doing." 1063 01:32:30,827 --> 01:32:33,328 He goes, "No, it's underneath." 1064 01:32:33,330 --> 01:32:36,431 And I said, "Well, you know, I don't know; maybe you should get it checked out." 1065 01:32:36,433 --> 01:32:41,203 And he sort of neglected it for a while and... and one day he goes, 1066 01:32:41,205 --> 01:32:44,405 "Well, uh, I went to the doctor about that today." 1067 01:32:44,407 --> 01:32:46,374 Then he said, uh, "I'm just gonna go home." 1068 01:32:46,376 --> 01:32:47,909 And I go, "What's going on?" 1069 01:32:47,911 --> 01:32:53,818 And he goes, "Well, um-uh, that thing that I've got on my neck, it's cancer." 1070 01:32:56,987 --> 01:33:02,457 Just went from being this huge personality to just this waif 1071 01:33:02,459 --> 01:33:04,926 of a memory of something that once was. 1072 01:33:22,312 --> 01:33:27,682 I run into Hispanics, Native Americans today that come up to me 1073 01:33:27,684 --> 01:33:31,919 and ask me about Randy Castillo, you know. 1074 01:33:31,921 --> 01:33:35,690 He's a celebrated hero amongst that community. 1075 01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:45,967 Just keep on practicing like a maniac. 1076 01:33:45,969 --> 01:33:48,436 Practice. Practice. 1077 01:33:48,438 --> 01:33:52,574 And listen and try to play with other people as much as you possibly can 1078 01:33:52,576 --> 01:33:55,442 because you can learn a lot faster that way. 1079 01:33:55,444 --> 01:33:57,945 And, uh, the whole idea is to play with a band. 1080 01:33:57,947 --> 01:34:01,316 You know you can lock yourself up in your room and practice forever 1081 01:34:01,318 --> 01:34:05,320 but if you don't play with somebody then, uh, you're gonna sound that way. 1082 01:34:05,322 --> 01:34:11,162 So, uh, stick with it, you know and, uh, you'll do it if you want it bad enough. 1083 01:34:17,667 --> 01:34:20,567 ♪ Stand up, stand up! ♪ 1084 01:34:22,438 --> 01:34:24,039 ♪ Stand up, stand up! ♪ 1085 01:34:32,416 --> 01:34:35,650 When you're surrounded by beautiful people that come from the Nations, 1086 01:34:35,652 --> 01:34:39,053 and they're proud of their heritage; it just inspires everybody. 1087 01:34:39,055 --> 01:34:42,757 ♪ We've been fightin' for our freedom since the Nina and the Pinta and the Santa Maria ♪ 1088 01:34:42,759 --> 01:34:47,465 ♪ Stand up! Like Geronimo, Sitting Bull, Red Cloud, Crazy Horse, Leonard Peltier ♪ 1089 01:34:50,334 --> 01:34:52,767 Indigenous people being left out of the story of music 1090 01:34:52,769 --> 01:34:55,337 of course has everything to do with the land. 1091 01:34:55,339 --> 01:35:00,975 It has to do with the way of imagining the American Dream, 1092 01:35:00,977 --> 01:35:04,147 which was a land cleared of indigenous people. 1093 01:35:08,585 --> 01:35:12,587 ♪ Don't stand between the reservations and the corporate banks ♪ 1094 01:35:12,589 --> 01:35:21,128 ♪ They'll send in federal tanks It isn't nice but it's reality ♪ 1095 01:35:21,130 --> 01:35:25,835 ♪ Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee ♪ 1096 01:35:27,636 --> 01:35:32,140 It's been a long time but we're still here; we're still alive and we're singing. 1097 01:35:32,142 --> 01:35:36,410 ♪ Cover me with pretty lies ♪ 1098 01:35:36,412 --> 01:35:38,379 ♪ Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee ♪ 1099 01:35:38,381 --> 01:35:42,049 They tried to erase it but it didn't get erased. 1100 01:35:42,051 --> 01:35:44,886 If they had erased it, we wouldn't be able to pick up the pieces. 1101 01:35:44,888 --> 01:35:47,588 ♪ They got these energy companies who want the land ♪ 1102 01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:50,725 ♪ And they've got churches by the dozens ♪ 1103 01:35:50,727 --> 01:35:54,695 Yeah, you wouldn't let me talk about it before; well, now I'm gonna talk real loud. 1104 01:35:54,697 --> 01:36:01,668 ♪ Want to guide our hand and sing our mother earth over to pollution, war and greed ♪ 1105 01:36:01,670 --> 01:36:04,938 ♪ Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee ♪ 1106 01:36:04,940 --> 01:36:07,542 The big racket's been around for a long time. 1107 01:36:07,544 --> 01:36:12,079 And anybody who really wants to be effective learns how not to fight it... 1108 01:36:12,081 --> 01:36:15,749 'cause they'll outgun you, but how to work around it, through it, 1109 01:36:15,751 --> 01:36:19,553 how to even heal it up. 1110 01:36:19,555 --> 01:36:22,824 We carry a medicine in us, you know, especially the medicine of the arts. 1111 01:36:22,826 --> 01:36:27,027 ♪ Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee! ♪ 1112 01:36:57,664 --> 01:37:02,529 Subtitles by explosiveskull104869

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