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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,289 --> 00:00:34,500 Well, now, as we come towards the end of this evening on BBC 1, 2 00:00:34,542 --> 00:00:37,753 Michael Fish takes a late look at the weather. 3 00:00:37,795 --> 00:00:39,171 Again, a good deal of cloud. 4 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:41,757 A little rain from time to time for much of the day, 5 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:45,177 but later on that rain is going to become ever more persistent 6 00:00:45,219 --> 00:00:46,762 and eventually, I think that rain 7 00:00:46,804 --> 00:00:49,181 will probably turn out to be fairly heavy. 8 00:00:52,101 --> 00:00:55,688 What you've seen in any documentary about any band, 9 00:00:55,730 --> 00:00:59,901 before or since, is how great and wonderful everything is. 10 00:00:59,942 --> 00:01:04,155 It's not the truth of it. It's hell, it's hard. 11 00:01:04,196 --> 00:01:09,160 It's horrible. It's enjoyable to a small degree 12 00:01:09,201 --> 00:01:11,704 but if you know what you're doing it for, 13 00:01:11,746 --> 00:01:13,497 you'll tolerate all that 14 00:01:13,539 --> 00:01:17,351 because the work, at the end of the day, is what matters. 15 00:01:17,376 --> 00:01:19,503 We managed to offend 16 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:23,090 all the people we were fucking fed up with. 17 00:01:45,738 --> 00:01:50,034 The Labour Party, who'd promised so much after the war 18 00:01:50,076 --> 00:01:54,705 had done so little for the working class 19 00:01:54,747 --> 00:01:59,919 that the working class were confused about even themselves 20 00:01:59,961 --> 00:02:04,674 and didn't even understand what working class meant anymore. 21 00:02:04,715 --> 00:02:06,759 It was cold and miserable. 22 00:02:06,801 --> 00:02:09,512 No one had any jobs. You couldn't get job. 23 00:02:09,553 --> 00:02:11,597 Everyone was on the dole. 24 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,976 If you weren't born into money, 25 00:02:15,017 --> 00:02:17,453 then you might as well have kissed your fucking life goodbye, 26 00:02:17,478 --> 00:02:19,689 you weren't gonna amount to anything. 27 00:02:19,730 --> 00:02:22,316 The germ, the seed of the Sex Pistols 28 00:02:22,358 --> 00:02:25,111 generated from that. 29 00:02:30,950 --> 00:02:33,911 Now is the winter of our discontent 30 00:02:33,953 --> 00:02:39,500 made glorious summer... By this sun of York. 31 00:02:46,590 --> 00:02:50,011 England was in a state of social upheaval. 32 00:02:50,052 --> 00:02:53,889 It was a very, very different time. 33 00:02:53,931 --> 00:02:56,283 Total social chaos. 34 00:02:56,308 --> 00:02:59,145 There was rioting all over the place. 35 00:02:59,186 --> 00:03:01,147 You have to join the picket line. 36 00:03:01,188 --> 00:03:04,150 There were strikes on every kind of amenity you could think of. 37 00:03:04,191 --> 00:03:06,277 Pound power. 38 00:03:06,318 --> 00:03:09,739 The TV channels would go on and off randomly. 39 00:03:11,073 --> 00:03:14,994 People were fed up with the old way. 40 00:03:15,036 --> 00:03:18,122 The old way was clearly not working. 41 00:03:20,833 --> 00:03:22,710 There's a little bit sticking up there. 42 00:03:22,752 --> 00:03:25,129 You can see it in the reflection. 43 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:27,798 Ultra Bright gets you noticed. 44 00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:34,138 You're told at school, you're told at the job center, 45 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:38,017 you're told by everyone that you don't stand a chance. 46 00:03:39,643 --> 00:03:43,564 And you should just accept your lot, and get on with it. 47 00:03:44,648 --> 00:03:47,109 That's where you're gonna get the social strife. 48 00:03:47,151 --> 00:03:50,071 Hate and war... and race hate. 49 00:03:58,829 --> 00:04:01,207 When you feel powerless... 50 00:04:01,248 --> 00:04:04,585 you will grab any power you can... 51 00:04:04,627 --> 00:04:08,005 to retain some kind of self-respect. 52 00:04:10,049 --> 00:04:12,343 Want something on how many people have been mugged? 53 00:04:12,384 --> 00:04:15,596 Don't lay your hand on me... I'll break your fucking jaw! 54 00:04:15,638 --> 00:04:19,183 That man is sad 'cause he's misinformed, 55 00:04:19,225 --> 00:04:21,769 and he's misled, and he's used. 56 00:04:21,811 --> 00:04:24,705 Yes... I am a racialist. And why? 57 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:26,774 Who's made me a racialist? 58 00:04:26,816 --> 00:04:29,693 This government... The conservatives, 59 00:04:29,735 --> 00:04:33,047 and every stingy, stinking councilor 60 00:04:33,072 --> 00:04:35,699 who sticks up for the nigger. 61 00:04:35,741 --> 00:04:38,244 And I'll stand by my words, 62 00:04:38,285 --> 00:04:41,622 'cause I don't like these people, never will do! 63 00:04:43,457 --> 00:04:45,209 Words are my weapons. 64 00:04:45,251 --> 00:04:48,546 Violence is something I'm not very good at. 65 00:04:48,587 --> 00:04:51,549 I don't think you can explain how things happen, 66 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:53,926 other than sometimes they just should, 67 00:04:53,968 --> 00:04:57,555 and the Sex Pistols should have happened, and did. 68 00:04:57,596 --> 00:04:59,890 We went out in the garden. 69 00:04:59,932 --> 00:05:01,767 Get off your arse! 70 00:05:17,283 --> 00:05:19,660 I was born in Queen Charlotte's Hospital 71 00:05:19,702 --> 00:05:22,663 on September 3rd, 1955... 72 00:05:22,705 --> 00:05:25,749 And I lived with my mother and my stepfather 73 00:05:25,791 --> 00:05:28,294 who I thought was my dad, in the basement 74 00:05:28,335 --> 00:05:29,795 in Shepherd's Bush. 75 00:05:29,837 --> 00:05:32,548 And I slept at the edge of their bed on a camp bed. 76 00:05:32,590 --> 00:05:35,759 My real dad, he bailed when I was two. 77 00:05:35,801 --> 00:05:40,014 His name was Don Jarvis. He was an amateur boxer. 78 00:05:40,055 --> 00:05:44,518 I definitely didn't feel wanted as a child. 79 00:05:45,978 --> 00:05:49,481 Well, I was born and raised around West London, 80 00:05:49,523 --> 00:05:52,109 the Shepherd's Bush and Hammersmith area. 81 00:05:52,151 --> 00:05:54,737 It was typically working class. 82 00:05:54,778 --> 00:05:59,033 I met Steve 'cause we lived around the corner from each other. 83 00:06:00,075 --> 00:06:02,494 I went to school near Paul and Steve, 84 00:06:02,536 --> 00:06:04,288 next to Wormwood Scrubs Prison. 85 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:06,373 Me dad was a factory worker, 86 00:06:06,415 --> 00:06:09,310 and mum worked at a powder puff factory. 87 00:06:09,335 --> 00:06:12,296 If you were to look back at me as a school kid, 88 00:06:12,338 --> 00:06:14,965 you'd see a very shy, quiet, 89 00:06:15,007 --> 00:06:19,470 little church mouse kind of character in North London. 90 00:06:20,971 --> 00:06:23,057 Irish immigrant parents. 91 00:06:23,098 --> 00:06:25,601 My mum taught me to read and write 92 00:06:25,643 --> 00:06:29,313 after meningitis, a serious illness I had at seven, 93 00:06:29,355 --> 00:06:31,982 when I was in a coma for a year. 94 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:36,070 When I came out of hospital, I was completely brain wiped... 95 00:06:36,111 --> 00:06:39,949 Old memories had been erased... Didn't remember anything at all. 96 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:41,909 Just backwards in everything. 97 00:06:41,951 --> 00:06:44,161 It was like having to start all over again. 98 00:06:45,371 --> 00:06:46,830 # Pictures of Lily... # 99 00:06:46,872 --> 00:06:51,126 How does it get from the man to the egg? 100 00:06:51,168 --> 00:06:54,880 I actually got put back a year 'cause I was so stupid. 101 00:06:54,922 --> 00:06:57,758 And I would never pay any attention in class, 102 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,677 I was just always daydreaming. 103 00:06:59,718 --> 00:07:02,179 Steve was quite wild at 1 0, 1 1 years old. 104 00:07:02,221 --> 00:07:04,932 I think he was always getting into trouble then. 105 00:07:04,974 --> 00:07:08,519 You should make sure that you've got the thing around the right way. 106 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,606 On the other hand... I got four fingers and a thumb. 107 00:07:12,648 --> 00:07:15,651 I question everything, I always have done. 108 00:07:15,693 --> 00:07:17,486 If we were doing Shakespeare, 109 00:07:17,528 --> 00:07:19,697 a teacher would give me a hard time, 110 00:07:19,738 --> 00:07:21,782 and he wouldn't tell me what I wanted to know. 111 00:07:21,824 --> 00:07:23,993 I'd ask outright questions, 112 00:07:24,034 --> 00:07:25,886 and you're not supposed to do that. 113 00:07:25,911 --> 00:07:27,871 You're just supposed to accept, 114 00:07:27,913 --> 00:07:30,249 "It's Shakespeare. It's great, you're not." 115 00:07:30,291 --> 00:07:31,750 That's not good enough for me. 116 00:07:33,961 --> 00:07:36,897 I would steal. I mean, that's all I knew how to do. 117 00:07:36,922 --> 00:07:40,968 I used to watch my parents steal at Tescos when I was six. 118 00:07:41,010 --> 00:07:43,012 And I was always getting in trouble. 119 00:07:43,053 --> 00:07:45,347 And so that's all there was... music. 120 00:07:45,389 --> 00:07:48,767 # Flavors of the mountain streamline... # 121 00:07:48,809 --> 00:07:52,563 I was totally into music... Roxy Music and Bowie. 122 00:07:52,604 --> 00:07:55,816 I thought that musicians fell from the sky at that point. 123 00:07:55,858 --> 00:07:58,068 I didn't think anyone could be a musician. 124 00:07:58,110 --> 00:08:02,990 # School's out forever! # 125 00:08:03,032 --> 00:08:07,411 I was very quiet at school up until about 14 or 1 5, 126 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:09,580 when I decided I'd had enough. 127 00:08:09,621 --> 00:08:12,791 I knew we were being fobbed off... 128 00:08:12,833 --> 00:08:17,004 and basically given a shoddy third-rate version of reality. 129 00:08:17,046 --> 00:08:20,049 So you would not be capable of questioning your future, 130 00:08:20,090 --> 00:08:21,967 because you didn't have one. 131 00:08:28,015 --> 00:08:31,452 My mother loved Alice Cooper as much as I did. 132 00:08:31,477 --> 00:08:34,980 She had an extremely varied taste for everything 133 00:08:35,022 --> 00:08:38,359 from Irish folk music to T. Rex... 134 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,611 To some early Bowie. 135 00:08:40,652 --> 00:08:43,447 Lots of the heavy metal that was around at the time, 136 00:08:43,489 --> 00:08:47,159 everything. Extremely Catholic taste. 137 00:08:47,201 --> 00:08:51,163 # I want all you skinheads to get up on your feet # 138 00:08:51,205 --> 00:08:54,666 # Put your braces together and your boots on your feet # 139 00:08:54,708 --> 00:08:57,878 There was a lot of black kids down Shepherd's Bush, 140 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,963 and we used to go to their parties 141 00:09:00,005 --> 00:09:01,965 and listen to ska music. 142 00:09:02,007 --> 00:09:03,884 It sort of developed from there really, 143 00:09:03,926 --> 00:09:06,220 I think, our interest in music. 144 00:09:06,261 --> 00:09:09,098 I think it was Wally... the famous Wally Nightingale, 145 00:09:09,139 --> 00:09:11,308 who said, "Well, let's start a band." 146 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:14,144 At the time, Wally said Steve would be the singer, 147 00:09:14,186 --> 00:09:16,647 and I would be on drums. 148 00:09:16,688 --> 00:09:19,983 Wally actually played guitar, and so it was up to each of us 149 00:09:20,025 --> 00:09:22,319 to go off and learn our instruments. 150 00:09:22,361 --> 00:09:24,488 We used to rehearse and rehearse, 151 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:27,491 and just kind of like, fantasize, really. 152 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,660 If I wanted to wear something 153 00:09:29,701 --> 00:09:31,620 that T. Rex was wearing the week before, 154 00:09:31,662 --> 00:09:33,622 I'd go down King's Road and fucking steal it. 155 00:09:34,998 --> 00:09:38,210 I always used to end up at "Let It Rock" which was owned 156 00:09:38,252 --> 00:09:41,171 by Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood. 157 00:09:41,213 --> 00:09:43,382 All the other shops we went in down King's Road, 158 00:09:43,424 --> 00:09:45,717 you'd walk in and you'd get 1 0 poofs on you, 159 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,636 asking you what you want, "Can I help you?" 160 00:09:47,678 --> 00:09:49,888 That's why we'd always end up at Vivienne's, 161 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:51,682 because it was like a hang-out. 162 00:09:51,723 --> 00:09:53,642 I liked the clothes, they were different. 163 00:09:53,684 --> 00:09:56,478 It weren't all flares and kipper ties. 164 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,189 It was Teddy Boy clothes. It was a lot more rebellious, 165 00:09:59,231 --> 00:10:02,025 and obviously I was drawn to that. 166 00:10:02,067 --> 00:10:04,027 The Teddy Boy thing, for me, 167 00:10:04,069 --> 00:10:06,488 was all about the idea of being a peacock, 168 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:09,533 and standing out in the crowd, but at the same time 169 00:10:09,575 --> 00:10:12,786 feeling a sense that you are part of the dispossessed, 170 00:10:12,828 --> 00:10:15,956 which... at the end of my art school term, 171 00:10:15,998 --> 00:10:18,041 I thought I could make a profit by. 172 00:10:19,126 --> 00:10:21,086 I became friends with Malcolm 173 00:10:21,128 --> 00:10:24,214 because he had a lot of contacts in music. 174 00:10:24,256 --> 00:10:25,883 He seemed to know everybody. 175 00:10:25,924 --> 00:10:28,093 He finds a way in with his blague, 176 00:10:28,135 --> 00:10:30,095 which is perfect for a manager. 177 00:10:30,929 --> 00:10:33,182 I walked up and down the King's Road 178 00:10:33,223 --> 00:10:36,727 with complete anger and resentment. 179 00:10:37,978 --> 00:10:40,314 People were extremely absurd, 180 00:10:40,355 --> 00:10:44,318 and still stuck into flares and platform shoes 181 00:10:44,359 --> 00:10:47,029 and neatly coiffured longish hair, 182 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:49,907 and pretending the world wasn't really happening. 183 00:10:49,948 --> 00:10:52,659 It was an escapism that I resented. 184 00:10:52,701 --> 00:10:54,661 There was also a garbage strike 185 00:10:54,703 --> 00:10:57,097 going on for years and years and years, 186 00:10:57,122 --> 00:10:59,541 and there was trash piled 1 0 foot high. 187 00:10:59,583 --> 00:11:02,002 They seem to have missed that. 188 00:11:02,044 --> 00:11:05,881 Wear the garbage bag, for God's sake... 189 00:11:05,923 --> 00:11:08,967 And then you're dealing with it. 190 00:11:09,009 --> 00:11:11,445 And that's what I would be doing... 191 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:14,848 I would wrap myself basically in trash. 192 00:11:14,890 --> 00:11:17,893 And that so lamely and unfashionable... 193 00:11:17,935 --> 00:11:21,313 that dogs bark at me as I halt by them. 194 00:11:21,355 --> 00:11:24,775 I've got news for you. Dogs bark at me. 195 00:11:26,568 --> 00:11:30,864 In a weird way, that whole persona of, say, "Richard Ill" 196 00:11:30,906 --> 00:11:33,909 helped when I joined the Sex Pistols. 197 00:11:33,951 --> 00:11:37,804 Deformed, hilarious, grotesque... 198 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:40,499 And the "Hunchback of Notre Dame" is in there, 199 00:11:40,541 --> 00:11:43,043 and just bizarre characters 200 00:11:43,085 --> 00:11:46,255 that somehow or other, through all of their deformities 201 00:11:46,296 --> 00:11:48,090 managed to achieve something. 202 00:11:48,131 --> 00:11:49,967 # ...Just for a short while # 203 00:11:50,008 --> 00:11:51,969 # She'll scratch in the sand # 204 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:53,887 # Won't let go of his hand... # 205 00:11:53,929 --> 00:11:56,723 Steve was a kind of a kleptomaniac, really. 206 00:11:56,765 --> 00:11:59,309 I'm sure he would be diagnosed as that, you know, 207 00:11:59,351 --> 00:12:01,979 because he couldn't keep his hands in his pockets... 208 00:12:02,020 --> 00:12:04,356 which was quite handy, really. 209 00:12:04,398 --> 00:12:07,359 We'd always know a way in round the back of Hammersmith Odeon, 210 00:12:07,401 --> 00:12:09,361 being our local area. 211 00:12:10,487 --> 00:12:12,489 # The Jean Genie... # 212 00:12:12,531 --> 00:12:15,951 David Bowie was playing the Ziggy farewell thing, 213 00:12:15,993 --> 00:12:18,870 and while the roadies was asleep in the front row, 214 00:12:18,912 --> 00:12:22,291 he'd be going around on stage snipping all the microphones off. 215 00:12:22,332 --> 00:12:25,168 We had great guitars, amplifiers, 216 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:28,839 great drum kits, PA system, everything, 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,550 but, you know, we couldn't play it properly. 218 00:12:35,429 --> 00:12:38,181 To prevent myself from being beaten up 219 00:12:38,223 --> 00:12:41,143 by what were Uxbridge Teddy Boys 220 00:12:41,184 --> 00:12:43,520 coming in, pilfering in the store, 221 00:12:43,562 --> 00:12:45,689 I decided to go down another route... 222 00:12:45,731 --> 00:12:48,191 Rubber and leather fetish wear. 223 00:12:48,233 --> 00:12:49,568 I felt that... 224 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:53,488 that would look fun and exciting on the King's Road 225 00:12:53,530 --> 00:12:56,992 because it would have a similar effrontery 226 00:12:57,034 --> 00:13:01,413 that Teddy Boy clothes had, except it would be new. 227 00:13:01,455 --> 00:13:03,707 Malcolm's shop interested me 228 00:13:03,749 --> 00:13:06,668 because of the rubber wear. 229 00:13:08,962 --> 00:13:12,716 Fascinating that people can get themselves into such a predicament 230 00:13:12,758 --> 00:13:16,219 that the only way they can have sex is in a face mask 231 00:13:16,261 --> 00:13:18,764 and a rubber T-shirt. 232 00:13:20,182 --> 00:13:22,392 With a bollock weight. 233 00:13:23,518 --> 00:13:27,022 How does it become that way? It becomes like that for you 234 00:13:27,064 --> 00:13:30,859 because you just cannot face reality. 235 00:13:34,655 --> 00:13:36,490 Steve just came back one day, and said, 236 00:13:36,531 --> 00:13:38,383 "I found a bass player." I said, "Who's that?" 237 00:13:38,408 --> 00:13:41,244 He said, "This guy, Glen, who works in Malcolm's shop." 238 00:13:41,286 --> 00:13:43,955 Lo and behold, I started rehearsing with them. 239 00:13:43,997 --> 00:13:48,669 They had so much equipment that Steve had "assembled," shall we say? 240 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:51,338 We were always pestering Malcolm to manage us, 241 00:13:51,380 --> 00:13:55,092 and he said he'd be interested if we got rid of Wally. 242 00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:57,552 He came down once, he said, "You shouldn't sing, 243 00:13:57,594 --> 00:14:00,263 you should play guitar. You should get a singer." 244 00:14:00,305 --> 00:14:03,141 We realized wally was gonna have to go. 245 00:14:04,643 --> 00:14:07,270 Alas, poor... 246 00:14:07,312 --> 00:14:09,773 I knew him, Horatio. 247 00:14:09,815 --> 00:14:12,192 Round this time there was a group of guys 248 00:14:12,234 --> 00:14:14,319 who came from the north side of London, 249 00:14:14,361 --> 00:14:16,071 who used to come into the shop 250 00:14:16,113 --> 00:14:18,365 probably for the same reasons we did, 251 00:14:18,407 --> 00:14:19,866 you know, on a Saturday, whatever... 252 00:14:19,908 --> 00:14:22,828 there was the group of them, apparently all called "John." 253 00:14:22,869 --> 00:14:25,789 Steve and Paul never believed we were all called John... 254 00:14:25,831 --> 00:14:28,125 They could never take that. 255 00:14:28,166 --> 00:14:30,127 Sid's real name is John. 256 00:14:30,168 --> 00:14:31,878 They just thought we were 257 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,340 like a "Clockwork Orange" gang, you know... "The Johns." 258 00:14:36,341 --> 00:14:39,636 I've no idea why they picked me out... 259 00:14:39,678 --> 00:14:43,682 other than they thought I looked well different from the pack. 260 00:14:44,725 --> 00:14:47,269 We arranged to meet John one night... 261 00:14:47,310 --> 00:14:49,187 in a pub just down the road. 262 00:14:49,229 --> 00:14:52,524 We had a few pints, and then we came back to the shop. 263 00:14:53,567 --> 00:14:56,069 We gave the singer an audition 264 00:14:56,111 --> 00:14:59,406 in my shop, later on, after the pub had closed, 265 00:14:59,448 --> 00:15:01,533 for him to imitate, 266 00:15:01,575 --> 00:15:04,536 and for him to try to sing along 267 00:15:04,578 --> 00:15:07,581 with an Alice Cooper track on the jukebox 268 00:15:07,622 --> 00:15:10,292 called "Eighteen", which I adored. 269 00:15:10,333 --> 00:15:13,837 And he sung it like "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." 270 00:15:16,214 --> 00:15:18,467 # I'm eighteen # 271 00:15:18,508 --> 00:15:21,094 # And I don't know what I want # 272 00:15:21,136 --> 00:15:23,555 I always did view myself 273 00:15:23,597 --> 00:15:26,558 as one damn ugly fucker. 274 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,312 I certainly weren't no belle of the ball. 275 00:15:30,353 --> 00:15:32,706 John just started... 276 00:15:32,731 --> 00:15:35,442 going into spasms in front of the jukebox, 277 00:15:35,484 --> 00:15:37,694 and singing, and doing his act, 278 00:15:37,736 --> 00:15:40,572 what later became what everyone knows and loves, you know. 279 00:15:41,656 --> 00:15:44,868 And I knew right away then that he was the singer. 280 00:15:44,910 --> 00:15:47,871 He was... gonna be the one, really. 281 00:15:48,872 --> 00:15:51,166 I personally wouldn't have got him in the band, 282 00:15:51,208 --> 00:15:53,059 even though he looked like a star. 283 00:15:53,084 --> 00:15:56,797 I thought he was a wanker for taking the piss, and he wasn't serious... 284 00:15:56,838 --> 00:15:59,216 But then, after speaking to him for a while, 285 00:15:59,257 --> 00:16:01,676 I realize that that was his own insecurity 286 00:16:01,718 --> 00:16:04,805 to take the piss because he wasn't really a singer. 287 00:16:06,765 --> 00:16:09,242 John was from a different world from me and Cookie. 288 00:16:09,267 --> 00:16:11,978 He's more of an intellectual, John. 289 00:16:13,188 --> 00:16:15,857 I knew what Steve was. 290 00:16:15,899 --> 00:16:20,070 I knew he had potential to be a great person. 291 00:16:20,111 --> 00:16:23,365 There's something in him that's genuine. 292 00:16:23,406 --> 00:16:28,078 I can see that there's a tragedy in him, just like in me. 293 00:16:28,119 --> 00:16:31,498 Deep down inside, they're wounded people. 294 00:16:31,540 --> 00:16:33,750 And then there's Glen... 295 00:16:33,792 --> 00:16:37,754 waffling on about nice things like the Beatles. 296 00:16:37,796 --> 00:16:41,675 We're the very first people to call each other cunts 297 00:16:41,716 --> 00:16:43,510 outright... 298 00:16:43,552 --> 00:16:46,179 Face on... and know it. 299 00:16:46,221 --> 00:16:49,766 And we are. We all are... All in our way. 300 00:16:49,808 --> 00:16:51,935 You put all this together, and it... 301 00:16:51,977 --> 00:16:56,189 it makes for high drama, a bit like a Harold Pinter play. 302 00:16:56,231 --> 00:16:58,775 It shouldn't work, but it does. 303 00:17:23,508 --> 00:17:26,469 All our first rehearsals were a nightmare. 304 00:17:26,511 --> 00:17:29,014 I couldn't hold a damn note, 305 00:17:29,055 --> 00:17:32,684 Paul couldn't really keep time, I couldn't play guitar. 306 00:17:32,726 --> 00:17:36,563 I fucking hated it. It was just a fucking noise, 307 00:17:36,605 --> 00:17:40,025 but I just stuck in there, because that's all I had. 308 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:42,277 # ...no lip, child # 309 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:45,196 # And I mean what I say # 310 00:17:46,656 --> 00:17:49,159 # Don't give me no lip, child # 311 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,120 # You'll be sorry one day # 312 00:17:52,162 --> 00:17:55,457 Oh, fuck, it's awful. I hate songs like that. 313 00:17:56,499 --> 00:17:59,352 Right from the start, we'd argue... 314 00:17:59,377 --> 00:18:02,672 Bitterly, bitterly, from day one rehearsal, 315 00:18:02,714 --> 00:18:04,799 pure, full-on row. 316 00:18:04,841 --> 00:18:07,052 It would be constantly, 317 00:18:07,093 --> 00:18:09,179 "You know, you've gotta learn to sing." 318 00:18:09,220 --> 00:18:11,348 And it's like, "Why?" 319 00:18:11,389 --> 00:18:14,059 "Says who? Who wrote the rules here?" 320 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:18,438 But that's all right, you need that difference of character. 321 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,149 I didn't think, if I could be a sculptor, 322 00:18:21,191 --> 00:18:23,693 I necessarily needed clay... 323 00:18:23,735 --> 00:18:27,697 I suddenly thought, "You can use people!" 324 00:18:27,739 --> 00:18:32,577 And it's people that I used, like an artist. 325 00:18:32,619 --> 00:18:35,372 I manipulated. 326 00:18:35,413 --> 00:18:39,918 So, creating something called the "Sex Pistols" 327 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,005 was my painting, my sculpture, 328 00:18:44,047 --> 00:18:45,966 my little "Artful Dodgers." 329 00:18:46,007 --> 00:18:49,552 Humph... you don't create me... 330 00:18:49,594 --> 00:18:51,638 I am me. 331 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,640 There is a difference. 332 00:18:53,682 --> 00:18:57,602 Everyone on the planet knows Malcolm's full of shit. 333 00:18:57,644 --> 00:19:00,397 He's convinced people now that he's full of shit, 334 00:19:00,438 --> 00:19:03,650 by all the shit that he says, it gets worse and worse. 335 00:19:03,692 --> 00:19:06,361 And the idea of the name "Sex Pistols" 336 00:19:06,403 --> 00:19:10,782 was sexy young assassins. "Pistol" meaning a gun... 337 00:19:11,783 --> 00:19:14,953 And then "pistol" meaning a kind of penis. 338 00:19:14,995 --> 00:19:18,832 There was never a relationship with the manager... for me, 339 00:19:18,873 --> 00:19:22,002 other than he would always try to steal my ideas, 340 00:19:22,043 --> 00:19:24,087 and claim them to be his own. 341 00:19:24,129 --> 00:19:27,007 I had to accept that he was the manager 342 00:19:27,048 --> 00:19:30,802 because he was their manager before I joined the band. 343 00:19:30,844 --> 00:19:33,138 I think they're the same fucking star sign. 344 00:19:33,179 --> 00:19:35,390 They're the same kind of personality. 345 00:19:35,432 --> 00:19:37,308 They were always butting heads. 346 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:40,145 It was definitely John who steered the ship 347 00:19:40,186 --> 00:19:41,855 into the way we looked. 348 00:19:41,896 --> 00:19:45,442 Torn, safety pin, zips all over the gaff, 349 00:19:45,483 --> 00:19:47,610 third rate tramp thing. 350 00:19:47,652 --> 00:19:50,780 That was poverty, really. Lack of money. 351 00:19:50,822 --> 00:19:53,116 The arse of your pants falls out, 352 00:19:53,158 --> 00:19:55,744 you just use safety pins. 353 00:19:55,785 --> 00:19:57,912 And I always used to call him "rotten," 354 00:19:57,954 --> 00:20:00,306 'cause his fucking teeth were like, dreadful, 355 00:20:00,331 --> 00:20:02,308 they looked like dog-ends, 356 00:20:02,333 --> 00:20:04,794 and... it just stuck. 357 00:20:04,836 --> 00:20:08,757 Steve always looked like a hairdresser on the high road. 358 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,592 He had a perm, 359 00:20:10,633 --> 00:20:13,011 and unfortunately, it became permanent. 360 00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:19,684 I don't have any heroes. 361 00:20:19,726 --> 00:20:21,770 They're all useless. 362 00:20:21,811 --> 00:20:24,022 I mean, there's no bands around, is there? 363 00:20:24,064 --> 00:20:25,732 None. 364 00:20:25,774 --> 00:20:27,667 None that are accessible. 365 00:20:27,692 --> 00:20:30,153 It's Emerson, Lake and Palmer. 366 00:20:34,824 --> 00:20:36,993 All those super bands at that time... 367 00:20:37,035 --> 00:20:41,247 Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Yes... they were dinosaurs, 368 00:20:41,289 --> 00:20:44,667 They were dreadful, because they were fucking boring. 369 00:20:44,709 --> 00:20:48,671 Uriah Heep... Fucking, you know... Gong! 370 00:20:48,713 --> 00:20:52,592 I wanted the Sex Pistols to compete 371 00:20:52,634 --> 00:20:54,928 with the Bay City Rollers! 372 00:20:54,969 --> 00:20:59,182 Can you imagine Johnny Rotten singing "Shang-a-Lang"? 373 00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:02,685 # Shang-a-Lang # 374 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:06,189 # Shang-a-Lang # 375 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:09,359 # Shang-a-Lang, shang-a-Lang # 376 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,194 Ugh-hh! 377 00:21:11,236 --> 00:21:14,489 Stradivarius... Was a terrible painter... 378 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,830 and Rembrandt... Made rotten violins. 379 00:21:22,872 --> 00:21:25,166 I got interested in the arts, 380 00:21:25,208 --> 00:21:27,752 and ended up going to St. Martin's for a year. 381 00:21:27,794 --> 00:21:30,255 I walked in there and asked to see the social secretary, 382 00:21:30,296 --> 00:21:32,257 and this guy said, "Well, I am." 383 00:21:32,298 --> 00:21:34,551 And it was Sebastian Conran. 384 00:21:34,592 --> 00:21:36,528 And he said, "Well, what's the name of your band?" 385 00:21:36,553 --> 00:21:38,930 And I said, "The Sex Pistols," and Sebastian went... 386 00:21:38,972 --> 00:21:42,559 "The Sex Pistols? Oh, we must have them." 387 00:21:43,768 --> 00:21:47,230 I remembered being just fucking terrified, 388 00:21:47,272 --> 00:21:50,233 and I had to take a Mandrax to calm down. 389 00:21:50,942 --> 00:21:52,569 Hello. 390 00:21:53,611 --> 00:21:56,030 Hello, I'm pissed again. 391 00:21:56,072 --> 00:21:59,075 I think I took two Mandrax. We went up there, 392 00:21:59,117 --> 00:22:02,095 and it was all these arty-farty fuckers in this one room. 393 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:04,038 There was no stage, 394 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,374 and there was another band called "Bazooka Joe" 395 00:22:06,416 --> 00:22:08,268 that Adam Ant was the bass player in, 396 00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:10,503 and we were all knocking the pints back... 397 00:22:10,545 --> 00:22:13,506 And it was time to go on, and the Mandrax were kicking in, 398 00:22:13,548 --> 00:22:15,550 and we started playing... 399 00:22:16,426 --> 00:22:19,429 # ...you to know that I ain't your baby # 400 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,390 # I want you to know I don't care # 401 00:22:27,854 --> 00:22:30,148 I remembered looking at John, and thinking, 402 00:22:30,190 --> 00:22:32,609 "This is fucking fantastic. I love this." 403 00:22:32,650 --> 00:22:34,694 It was like one of them magical moments. 404 00:22:34,736 --> 00:22:37,989 Everything in the universe fucking clicked. 405 00:22:38,031 --> 00:22:40,491 # What'cha gonna do about it... # 406 00:22:41,576 --> 00:22:45,288 Glen definitely wanted to be on "Top of the Pops." 407 00:22:46,497 --> 00:22:49,542 # I want you to know I don't care... # 408 00:22:49,584 --> 00:22:52,629 # I want you to know that I love you baby... # 409 00:22:52,670 --> 00:22:54,714 To me, that's really naff. 410 00:22:54,756 --> 00:22:58,092 It's saying, "I want you to know I don't care" 411 00:22:58,134 --> 00:23:00,720 Comes quite naturally. 412 00:23:00,762 --> 00:23:04,098 If I take other people's songs, I put a twist on them. 413 00:23:10,688 --> 00:23:13,441 Finally... we're actually playing in a band, 414 00:23:13,483 --> 00:23:16,336 I ain't the singer, I'm comfortable playing the guitar... 415 00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:18,363 Mind you, I was fucked up... 416 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,746 And next thing I know, they've pulled the plug on us, 417 00:23:26,788 --> 00:23:29,082 and it was all over. We're just like out of it, 418 00:23:29,123 --> 00:23:32,085 and wandering around down Piccadilly Circus. 419 00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:35,922 I die of nerves before I go on stage, 420 00:23:35,964 --> 00:23:38,858 cause I don't know what I'm gonna do. 421 00:23:38,883 --> 00:23:42,428 And because of that, I'd have to just pull things out 422 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:45,640 from deep down inside. 423 00:23:45,682 --> 00:23:50,186 Hello... # 76 trombones to the hit parade # 424 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:55,233 Look, there's Arthur Askey in there. 425 00:23:55,275 --> 00:23:58,361 There's Ken Dodd... # We are the Daddymen... # 426 00:23:58,403 --> 00:24:00,822 # We come from Notty Ash # 427 00:24:00,863 --> 00:24:02,156 There's even... 428 00:24:02,198 --> 00:24:04,701 "There's nothing wrong with me." 429 00:24:04,742 --> 00:24:06,786 - Do we know any... - Oi... 430 00:24:06,828 --> 00:24:09,831 Do we know any other fucking songs that we could do? 431 00:24:09,872 --> 00:24:13,293 What England didn't understand about the Sex Pistols 432 00:24:13,334 --> 00:24:15,962 is that we are music hall. 433 00:24:16,004 --> 00:24:18,131 Shall we do "Roadrunner"? 434 00:24:19,173 --> 00:24:22,218 I hate that. It's fucking awful. Stop it. 435 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:24,887 Stop it, it's fucking awful! 436 00:24:27,515 --> 00:24:31,352 There was always a sense of piss take, and fun to it. 437 00:24:31,394 --> 00:24:34,439 Shout out what... how it starts. What's the first line? 438 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,067 There's a sense of comedy in the English, 439 00:24:38,109 --> 00:24:41,029 even in your grimmest moment. 440 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:43,364 Right... can you start at the beginning? 441 00:24:45,033 --> 00:24:46,451 I can't hear you, Paul. 442 00:24:46,492 --> 00:24:48,077 You laugh. 443 00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:52,749 Who wants a bunk-up? 444 00:24:54,083 --> 00:24:55,168 Who wants a bunk-up? 445 00:24:57,462 --> 00:24:59,130 Who wants a bunk-up? 446 00:24:59,172 --> 00:25:00,798 # With the radio on... # 447 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,216 "Deform'd, unfinish'd..." 448 00:25:02,258 --> 00:25:05,011 # Roadrunner, roadrunner... 449 00:25:06,804 --> 00:25:09,307 "Deform'd, unfinish'd..." 450 00:25:11,768 --> 00:25:14,103 Deform'd, unfinish'd... 451 00:25:15,688 --> 00:25:18,441 One week we'd be playing up in high Wycombe 452 00:25:18,483 --> 00:25:20,610 opening up for Screaming Lord Sutch, 453 00:25:20,651 --> 00:25:24,280 and I remember seeing some faces, guys with long hair. 454 00:25:24,322 --> 00:25:27,617 "When all other indications suggest..." 455 00:25:27,658 --> 00:25:29,911 When all other indications suggest... 456 00:25:29,952 --> 00:25:32,997 Then, a week later, we'd be playing at "The Nashville," 457 00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:37,293 that we're in for a dirty night. 458 00:25:38,669 --> 00:25:40,004 "a dirty night." 459 00:25:40,046 --> 00:25:43,007 And I'd see the same people with their hair cut short, 460 00:25:43,049 --> 00:25:45,385 and wearing a ripped-up t-shirt. 461 00:25:46,427 --> 00:25:49,138 # Goin' a thousand miles an hour # 462 00:25:49,847 --> 00:25:53,267 Every gig you'd see a few more, and a few more, and a few more, 463 00:25:53,309 --> 00:25:55,603 people who just got converted. 464 00:26:01,067 --> 00:26:06,030 The Sex Pistols definitely created new environments. 465 00:26:08,491 --> 00:26:13,955 It was incredible good to see the audience being individual. 466 00:26:13,996 --> 00:26:16,791 # ...radio on... # 467 00:26:16,833 --> 00:26:19,168 # Roadrunner, roadrunner... # 468 00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:20,837 "Ain't nothing wrong with me." 469 00:26:20,878 --> 00:26:23,464 Oh, God, I don't know it. Fucking ridiculous. 470 00:26:23,506 --> 00:26:28,010 There was some absolutely stunning original people out there. 471 00:26:29,262 --> 00:26:31,013 "There's nothing wrong with me." 472 00:26:32,056 --> 00:26:33,850 Sioux cat woman... 473 00:26:33,891 --> 00:26:37,353 That woman required a lot of skill, style and bravery... 474 00:26:39,188 --> 00:26:41,315 to look like a cat. 475 00:26:50,992 --> 00:26:52,994 There was a couple of years there 476 00:26:53,035 --> 00:26:54,871 where it was stunning. 477 00:26:54,912 --> 00:26:59,625 People that had no self-respect suddenly started to view themselves 478 00:26:59,667 --> 00:27:02,879 as beautiful in not being beautiful. 479 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,048 Women started to appreciate themselves 480 00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:08,509 as not second class citizens. 481 00:27:08,551 --> 00:27:11,179 Punk made that clear. 482 00:27:13,848 --> 00:27:16,142 I've always talked to the audience 483 00:27:16,184 --> 00:27:18,644 in a one-to-one way after gigs. 484 00:27:18,686 --> 00:27:21,397 "Where do you live? What's life like for you?" 485 00:27:21,439 --> 00:27:23,900 Absolute basics. 486 00:27:24,817 --> 00:27:27,236 # She put her bicycle # 487 00:27:27,278 --> 00:27:29,572 # under a tree # 488 00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:33,034 # I think that girl took a fancy to me... # 489 00:27:33,075 --> 00:27:35,077 But it was fun, I guess, talking to them. 490 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,997 Actually, I didn't give a fuck about talking about the band, 491 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:40,625 I just wanted to get me dick sucked, really. 492 00:27:40,666 --> 00:27:43,419 That was always the first thing on my mind. 493 00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:46,589 I wasn't interested in talking about politics after the show, 494 00:27:46,631 --> 00:27:49,967 I didn't even know who the fucking Prime Minister was at the time. 495 00:27:50,009 --> 00:27:52,803 # Let's have a ride on your bike # 496 00:27:52,845 --> 00:27:55,556 I pretty much just wanted to have a bunk-up, 497 00:27:55,598 --> 00:27:58,267 like any good teenager does. 498 00:27:59,143 --> 00:28:03,189 # I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth... # 499 00:28:11,822 --> 00:28:15,117 # You didn't look me in the eye # 500 00:28:15,159 --> 00:28:18,829 # Crocodile tears are what you cry # 501 00:28:22,959 --> 00:28:24,835 "Substitute" I liked... 502 00:28:24,877 --> 00:28:28,172 but I only liked certain phrases in it. 503 00:28:28,214 --> 00:28:30,149 So I'd twist them about. 504 00:28:30,174 --> 00:28:33,427 # You're so fat, I see right through... # 505 00:28:35,012 --> 00:28:39,308 "Oh, no you can't do that, it's a classic," 506 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:41,060 says Glen. 507 00:28:44,438 --> 00:28:46,148 Fuck off! 508 00:28:52,905 --> 00:28:55,616 I think when we started writing our own stuff... 509 00:28:55,658 --> 00:28:58,244 is when it got more interesting. 510 00:28:59,203 --> 00:29:03,124 Because that's when it became our own musical force. 511 00:29:05,418 --> 00:29:08,838 Glen was coming up with most of the ideas for songs, 512 00:29:08,879 --> 00:29:11,007 and John would just be sitting in the corner, 513 00:29:11,048 --> 00:29:12,925 scribbling his lyrics out, there and then, 514 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:14,427 while we were playing along to it. 515 00:29:14,468 --> 00:29:16,512 We had something, we had a spirit. 516 00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:18,889 But what we didn't have, we didn't have a way 517 00:29:18,931 --> 00:29:21,017 of putting that into words... 518 00:29:21,058 --> 00:29:22,685 which is what John had. 519 00:29:22,727 --> 00:29:27,064 The first line I wrote, was "I am an antichrist," 520 00:29:27,106 --> 00:29:31,193 and I couldn't think of a damn thing that rhymed with it, 521 00:29:31,235 --> 00:29:35,031 and "anarchist" just fitted really nicely. 522 00:29:35,823 --> 00:29:37,992 The only thing I didn't like about "Anarchy" 523 00:29:38,034 --> 00:29:40,036 was the dreadful rhyme... 524 00:29:40,077 --> 00:29:43,164 "antichrist... anarchist," it used to always make me wince. 525 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:48,753 Oh, some decent fucking music at last! 526 00:29:54,342 --> 00:29:56,302 # Right... # 527 00:29:56,344 --> 00:29:58,220 # Now # 528 00:30:03,643 --> 00:30:07,104 # I am an antichrist # 529 00:30:07,146 --> 00:30:10,733 # I am an anarchist # 530 00:30:10,775 --> 00:30:14,487 # Don't know what I want, but I know how to get it # 531 00:30:14,528 --> 00:30:17,990 # I wanna destroy passerby # 532 00:30:18,032 --> 00:30:21,243 # 'Cause I... # 533 00:30:21,285 --> 00:30:23,996 # Wanna be... # 534 00:30:25,247 --> 00:30:26,832 # Anarchy # 535 00:30:26,874 --> 00:30:28,918 This band wasn't about making people happy, 536 00:30:28,959 --> 00:30:30,836 it was attack... 537 00:30:30,878 --> 00:30:32,963 Attack, attack, attack. 538 00:30:33,589 --> 00:30:36,801 # Anarchy for the UK # 539 00:30:36,842 --> 00:30:40,721 # It's coming sometime maybe # 540 00:30:40,763 --> 00:30:44,433 # I give a wrong time, stop a traffic line # 541 00:30:44,475 --> 00:30:48,062 # Your future dream is a shopping scheme # 542 00:30:48,104 --> 00:30:51,023 # 'Cause I... # 543 00:30:51,065 --> 00:30:53,526 # I wanna be... # 544 00:30:54,985 --> 00:30:57,780 # Anarchy # 545 00:31:05,788 --> 00:31:09,458 Sid, he was the total Pistols fan, really. 546 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,961 I fucking loved that band. 547 00:31:12,002 --> 00:31:14,422 Along with a couple of other kids that knew John, 548 00:31:14,463 --> 00:31:18,217 I think I was about the biggest fan they ever had. 549 00:31:23,347 --> 00:31:27,268 # How many ways to get what you want # 550 00:31:27,309 --> 00:31:30,563 # I use the best I use the rest... # 551 00:31:30,604 --> 00:31:33,315 Rotten was like, incredible. 552 00:31:33,357 --> 00:31:35,835 Just like unbelievable. 553 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:38,946 And Steve was fucking great as well. 554 00:31:38,988 --> 00:31:41,449 Glen was a cunt, as always. 555 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,994 # Wanna be... # 556 00:31:45,035 --> 00:31:47,413 # Anarchy # 557 00:31:47,455 --> 00:31:50,624 What made the Sex Pistols different was John Rotten, 558 00:31:50,666 --> 00:31:53,519 'cause he was a total anti-star. 559 00:31:53,544 --> 00:31:56,213 He didn't like wiggle his bum or shake his hips, 560 00:31:56,255 --> 00:31:59,508 he did robot dances, and just fucked around, 561 00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:01,635 and took the piss out of everybody 562 00:32:01,677 --> 00:32:04,597 in a real nasty, snidy way. 563 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:12,104 # Is this the MPLA # 564 00:32:12,146 --> 00:32:16,150 # Or is this the UDA # 565 00:32:16,192 --> 00:32:19,737 # Or is this the IRA # 566 00:32:19,779 --> 00:32:23,616 # I thought it was the UK... # 567 00:32:26,744 --> 00:32:30,247 The Bromley Contingent all the front row lot, 568 00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:32,541 they all ended up in bands, 569 00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:36,086 hence you got the punk movement. 570 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:44,595 # I am an antichrist # 571 00:32:44,637 --> 00:32:47,723 # I am an anarchist # 572 00:32:47,765 --> 00:32:50,935 To see us playing like, just three chords 573 00:32:50,976 --> 00:32:53,687 gave the message that anybody could do this. 574 00:32:53,729 --> 00:32:56,023 Which was great... All these other bands started... 575 00:32:56,065 --> 00:32:58,484 I enjoyed watching the Clash, I enjoyed the Damned. 576 00:32:58,526 --> 00:33:01,420 It just happened so quick, and it was so exciting, 577 00:33:01,445 --> 00:33:05,324 you'd think, "Wow, there's really a movement starting here." 578 00:33:10,454 --> 00:33:12,431 One chick came down one night 579 00:33:12,456 --> 00:33:15,876 wearing a polka dot see-through mac... 580 00:33:15,918 --> 00:33:18,087 And nothing else. 581 00:33:18,128 --> 00:33:22,424 I actually saw one tourist stagger as she came into the club. 582 00:33:22,466 --> 00:33:25,010 He was so amazed by her appearance. 583 00:33:29,223 --> 00:33:31,392 Sid was amazing, because he was 584 00:33:31,433 --> 00:33:33,769 a stand out character in the crowd, 585 00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:35,354 because he wasn't in the band then. 586 00:33:35,396 --> 00:33:37,231 He invented the pogo all by himself. 587 00:33:37,273 --> 00:33:39,733 He'd just sort of jump on the shoulders of some people 588 00:33:39,775 --> 00:33:41,443 to get a better look. 589 00:33:41,485 --> 00:33:44,154 In the end he just started jumping up and down anyway. 590 00:33:44,196 --> 00:33:47,283 Yeah, I started it 'cause I hated the Bromley Contingent, 591 00:33:47,324 --> 00:33:49,368 and I invented a dance that would involve 592 00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:53,122 being able to knock them all over the fucking "1 00 Club," 593 00:33:53,163 --> 00:33:55,791 so I just used to throw myself about. 594 00:33:55,833 --> 00:33:58,502 Leap up like horizontal, and sideways, 595 00:33:58,544 --> 00:34:00,296 just like boing... 596 00:34:00,337 --> 00:34:02,172 Boing, boing, boing. 597 00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:05,509 You'd like land on them, and smash them into the floor. 598 00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:08,095 Yeah... 599 00:34:08,137 --> 00:34:10,264 My name is Nick Kent. 600 00:34:10,306 --> 00:34:12,308 I'm a... 601 00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:15,853 A once-renowned journalist for "The New Musical Express." 602 00:34:15,895 --> 00:34:18,230 Well, Sid, as he was known then, 603 00:34:18,272 --> 00:34:22,443 who I'd encountered once before, I'd not actually met him... 604 00:34:22,484 --> 00:34:25,337 Was obviously under the influence 605 00:34:25,362 --> 00:34:27,823 of some sort of amphetamines 606 00:34:27,865 --> 00:34:32,202 or extreme adrenaline propulsing stimulants. 607 00:34:32,244 --> 00:34:34,747 Sid Vicious was looking for a fight. 608 00:34:34,788 --> 00:34:37,249 Just fucking watch out, pal, all right? 609 00:34:37,291 --> 00:34:40,794 Or otherwise I'll fucking slice you open. 610 00:34:40,836 --> 00:34:43,505 He hit me over the head a few times with a chain, 611 00:34:43,547 --> 00:34:45,925 which didn't require any stitches, fortunately. 612 00:34:45,966 --> 00:34:48,677 I sort of wandered upstairs in a complete... 613 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,222 lather of blood and confusion. 614 00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:56,685 I truly admire their attitude, 615 00:34:56,727 --> 00:34:59,855 I thought it was... very brave. 616 00:34:59,897 --> 00:35:03,651 Immediately before this attack occurred, 617 00:35:03,692 --> 00:35:07,321 John Rotten was deep in discussion with Sid. 618 00:35:07,363 --> 00:35:12,326 I figure that John was... "Johnny"... as he's known, 619 00:35:12,368 --> 00:35:15,204 was setting me up, 'cause this is all true. 620 00:35:15,245 --> 00:35:18,207 In fact, Sid got the name "Vicious" from that fight. 621 00:35:18,248 --> 00:35:21,627 John Rotten christened him "Vicious" from that fight. 622 00:35:21,669 --> 00:35:24,421 Said he, falling against the door. 623 00:35:24,463 --> 00:35:27,967 Sid Vicious got the name after my pet hamster, 624 00:35:28,008 --> 00:35:30,469 that bit him one day... 625 00:35:30,511 --> 00:35:33,055 when he was trying to be sweet to it. 626 00:35:33,097 --> 00:35:37,142 And its name was Sid, and he really liked that. 627 00:35:38,185 --> 00:35:40,896 "Your Sid was vicious." 628 00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:44,274 The group were doing a very private, I think, secret show, 629 00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:46,527 at "The Screen on the Green," Islington. 630 00:35:47,778 --> 00:35:50,739 I went along with a couple of our A&R people, 631 00:35:50,781 --> 00:35:52,783 and Chris Wright, the chairman. 632 00:35:53,784 --> 00:35:56,704 Knocked on the door, somebody opened the door, and said, "Fuck off!" 633 00:35:59,289 --> 00:36:01,041 Well we weren't gonna be dissuaded, 634 00:36:01,083 --> 00:36:04,461 so we sort of tapped on the door again and said, "We're invited." 635 00:36:04,503 --> 00:36:06,880 And a head popped 'round again, and said, "Fuck Off!" 636 00:36:09,383 --> 00:36:11,343 They were a particularly ugly band. 637 00:36:11,385 --> 00:36:14,847 # We're so pretty, oh, so pretty # 638 00:36:16,515 --> 00:36:18,434 # We're vacant # 639 00:36:18,475 --> 00:36:22,062 # We're so pretty, oh, so pretty # 640 00:36:23,731 --> 00:36:25,315 # Vacant # 641 00:36:25,357 --> 00:36:28,610 # Don't ask us to attend 'cause we're not all there # 642 00:36:28,652 --> 00:36:31,488 # Don't pretend, 'cause I don't care # 643 00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:34,491 And there was only a little bit of a scuffle, nothing much. 644 00:36:41,081 --> 00:36:43,250 I've known musicians to defend themselves 645 00:36:43,292 --> 00:36:45,502 if the thing goes onto the stage, 646 00:36:45,544 --> 00:36:47,646 But I've never seen musicians drop their instruments 647 00:36:47,671 --> 00:36:50,257 And sort of dive in at a small scrap 648 00:36:50,299 --> 00:36:52,801 And extend it, and forget about the music. 649 00:36:52,843 --> 00:36:54,928 And I found that a bit much. 650 00:36:58,474 --> 00:37:01,268 I went back two or three times after that, 651 00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:03,479 just to make sure that... you know, they were as bad 652 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,314 as I thought they were the first time. 653 00:37:07,566 --> 00:37:10,360 # ...and we don't care! # 654 00:37:12,029 --> 00:37:13,947 Ever! 655 00:37:13,989 --> 00:37:17,826 Why all the infamous language? 656 00:37:17,868 --> 00:37:20,037 "Infamous language"? You're joking. 657 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,165 I speak nothing but the fucking English language. 658 00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:27,086 And if that's "Infamous," Then, huh-huh-huh, tough titters. 659 00:37:27,628 --> 00:37:30,522 Basically, the Pistols' attitude to the press 660 00:37:30,547 --> 00:37:32,925 was one of completely like "Fuck you," you know? 661 00:37:32,966 --> 00:37:35,803 I mean, just absolutely "Fuck you." 662 00:37:35,844 --> 00:37:39,515 Which was great... I mean, it was the perfect antidote 663 00:37:39,556 --> 00:37:44,228 to all the 99% of other stupid rock groups 664 00:37:44,269 --> 00:37:46,980 who like, licked the arse of the press, 665 00:37:47,022 --> 00:37:49,775 and, I mean, it worked perfectly for them. 666 00:37:49,817 --> 00:37:51,985 Most journalists are masochists. 667 00:37:52,027 --> 00:37:54,321 They're just toss pots, most of them. 668 00:37:54,363 --> 00:37:58,158 Don't accept the old order. Get rid of it. 669 00:38:02,746 --> 00:38:05,332 We've been there for five years or more, 670 00:38:05,374 --> 00:38:08,544 just waiting for this to happen, and now it's happened. 671 00:38:08,585 --> 00:38:11,046 It had to, it was the only thing that could happen. 672 00:38:11,088 --> 00:38:13,273 It was the only thing that didn't come from the industry... 673 00:38:13,298 --> 00:38:16,802 It came from the kids themselves. Something had to come from the kids. 674 00:38:22,432 --> 00:38:24,685 # Come on and join us # 675 00:38:24,726 --> 00:38:27,146 # We're the young nation # 676 00:38:27,187 --> 00:38:29,648 # Come on and join us # 677 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:31,900 # Nationwide... # 678 00:38:36,947 --> 00:38:38,574 # Right... # 679 00:38:38,615 --> 00:38:40,492 # Now # 680 00:38:46,331 --> 00:38:49,710 # I am an antichrist # 681 00:38:49,751 --> 00:38:53,338 # I am an anarchist... # 682 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:55,966 This group are leaders of a whole new teenage cult 683 00:38:56,008 --> 00:38:58,260 that seems to be on the way to being as big 684 00:38:58,302 --> 00:39:00,262 as mods and rockers were in the '60s. 685 00:39:00,304 --> 00:39:03,849 The cult is called "punk," the music, "punk rock." 686 00:39:03,891 --> 00:39:07,895 Basic rock music... Raw, outrageous and crude, 687 00:39:07,936 --> 00:39:10,606 like their fan magazine, "Sniffing Glue." 688 00:39:10,647 --> 00:39:12,608 I think our music is very honest. 689 00:39:12,649 --> 00:39:17,237 It's the most honest thing that's been happening in the last 1 5 years. 690 00:39:17,279 --> 00:39:18,572 Nothing to beat it. 691 00:39:18,614 --> 00:39:21,491 Finding places to play is becoming harder, 692 00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:24,995 thanks to the reputation punks are getting as troublemakers, 693 00:39:25,037 --> 00:39:28,290 and the Sex Pistols themselves even had to hire a strip club 694 00:39:28,332 --> 00:39:31,877 to get their music heard. Nowhere else would take them. 695 00:39:37,341 --> 00:39:38,842 # Anarchy # 696 00:39:38,884 --> 00:39:40,093 From the street. 697 00:39:44,723 --> 00:39:47,392 I find the Pistols very believable, 698 00:39:47,434 --> 00:39:50,729 I find it's all related to violence... 699 00:39:50,771 --> 00:39:53,065 in the mind, not in the body. 700 00:39:56,652 --> 00:39:58,904 Malcolm began to get a little bit serious about it, 701 00:39:58,946 --> 00:40:01,907 and he brought in a lawyer by the name of Fisher... 702 00:40:01,949 --> 00:40:06,453 That dreadful lawyer whose name I refuse to speak... 703 00:40:06,495 --> 00:40:08,121 There was... 704 00:40:08,163 --> 00:40:11,083 basically an auction between Polydor and EMl. 705 00:40:11,124 --> 00:40:13,835 We came up with a contract which gave the Pistols 706 00:40:13,877 --> 00:40:17,172 total creative control. 707 00:40:18,548 --> 00:40:20,759 Malcolm decided to go with EMl. 708 00:40:25,472 --> 00:40:27,474 I went into the A&R department, I said, 709 00:40:27,516 --> 00:40:29,226 "Who are these crazy guys?" 710 00:40:29,268 --> 00:40:31,411 They said, "It's the Sex Pistols, we just signed them. 711 00:40:31,436 --> 00:40:32,604 They're tremendous." 712 00:40:32,646 --> 00:40:34,982 And my first actual plug for them was, after all this, 713 00:40:35,023 --> 00:40:37,859 was by phoning up the "Today" program. 714 00:40:37,901 --> 00:40:39,695 They phoned back, said, "Yes... 715 00:40:39,736 --> 00:40:42,698 We'd like to use the Sex Pistols," you know, 716 00:40:42,739 --> 00:40:45,617 "Will that be okay?" I said, "I'm sure it'll be all right." 717 00:40:45,659 --> 00:40:49,079 They slung us in the green room, with a fridge, 718 00:40:49,121 --> 00:40:50,831 and I remember downing 719 00:40:50,872 --> 00:40:53,208 about fucking four bottles of "Blue Nun," 720 00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:56,336 and I was fucking just... Having a good old time, 721 00:40:56,378 --> 00:40:59,631 pissed at this point, by the time we went out there. 722 00:40:59,673 --> 00:41:01,425 And that's all I remember. 723 00:41:01,466 --> 00:41:05,637 They are "punk rockers." the new craze, they tell me. 724 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,180 They are heroes... 725 00:41:07,222 --> 00:41:10,392 Not the nice, clean, Rolling Stones. 726 00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:13,395 They are as drunk as I am. They are clean by comparison, 727 00:41:13,437 --> 00:41:16,606 they are a group called "the Sex Pistols," 728 00:41:16,648 --> 00:41:20,027 I am told that that group... 729 00:41:20,068 --> 00:41:23,363 have received �40,000 from a record company. 730 00:41:23,405 --> 00:41:25,782 Doesn't that seem to be slightly opposed 731 00:41:25,824 --> 00:41:28,785 to their anti-materialistic view of life? 732 00:41:28,827 --> 00:41:30,912 - No, the more, the merrier. - Really? 733 00:41:30,954 --> 00:41:32,622 - Oh, yeah. - Tell me more about it. 734 00:41:32,664 --> 00:41:33,957 We've fucking spent it. 735 00:41:33,999 --> 00:41:36,710 - I don't know. Have you? - Yeah, it's all gone. 736 00:41:36,752 --> 00:41:39,838 No one even heard that one, 'cause he was drunk himself, 737 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,757 and he wasn't paying attention when he asked, 738 00:41:41,798 --> 00:41:45,052 "What did you do with the money?" and I said, "We fucking spent it." 739 00:41:45,093 --> 00:41:47,596 - Tell me more about it. - We've fucking spent it. 740 00:41:47,637 --> 00:41:50,432 - I don't know. Have you? - Yeah, it's all gone. 741 00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:52,601 - Really? - Down the boozer. 742 00:41:52,642 --> 00:41:54,269 Really? Good Lord! 743 00:41:54,311 --> 00:41:56,229 Now, I want to know one thing: 744 00:41:56,271 --> 00:41:59,399 Beethoven, Mozart, Bach and Brahms have all died... 745 00:41:59,441 --> 00:42:02,611 - They're all heroes of ours. - Really? What were you saying? 746 00:42:02,652 --> 00:42:04,446 - They're wonderful people. - Are they? 747 00:42:04,488 --> 00:42:07,532 - Yes, they really turn us on. - But they're dead. 748 00:42:07,574 --> 00:42:09,910 Suppose they turn other people on? 749 00:42:09,951 --> 00:42:11,787 That's just their tough shit. 750 00:42:11,828 --> 00:42:15,290 Rotten, he slipped up and said "shit" under his breath. 751 00:42:15,332 --> 00:42:17,959 - It's what? - Nothing, a rude word. 752 00:42:18,001 --> 00:42:20,128 - Next question. - No, no... 753 00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:22,130 What was the rude word? 754 00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:24,800 - Shit. - Was it really? Good heavens. 755 00:42:24,841 --> 00:42:27,719 - You frighten me to death. - All right, so you play games... 756 00:42:27,761 --> 00:42:30,889 He's like your dad, ain't he, this geezer? 757 00:42:30,931 --> 00:42:32,099 Or your granddad. 758 00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:34,201 Are you worried, or are you just enjoying yourself? 759 00:42:34,226 --> 00:42:35,936 - Enjoying myself. - Are you? 760 00:42:35,977 --> 00:42:37,437 That's what I thought. 761 00:42:37,479 --> 00:42:39,773 - I always wanted to meet you. - Did you really? 762 00:42:39,815 --> 00:42:42,734 Siouxsie, she was just being coy with him, 763 00:42:42,776 --> 00:42:44,694 And he said, "Oh, maybe we'll meet after?" 764 00:42:44,736 --> 00:42:46,822 We'll meet afterwards, shall we? 765 00:42:46,863 --> 00:42:50,409 You dirty sod. You dirty old man. 766 00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:52,702 Steve completely understood 767 00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:55,288 that he was talking to a drunk 768 00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:57,707 as you would a drunk in a pub, 769 00:42:57,749 --> 00:43:00,001 and he just topped him. 770 00:43:02,754 --> 00:43:04,714 Go on, you've got another five seconds, 771 00:43:04,756 --> 00:43:07,134 - say something outrageous. - You dirty bastard. 772 00:43:07,175 --> 00:43:09,136 I just remember this fucking cunt 773 00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:12,013 just started provoking us, and we coated him off. 774 00:43:12,055 --> 00:43:14,141 - Go on... again. - You dirty fucker. 775 00:43:14,182 --> 00:43:17,018 - What a clever boy. - What a fucking rotter. 776 00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:20,439 That's it for tonight. The other rocker, Eamonn, 777 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,983 and I'm saying nothing else about him, will be back tomorrow. 778 00:43:23,066 --> 00:43:25,293 I'll be seeing you soon. I hope I'm not seeing you again. 779 00:43:25,318 --> 00:43:26,711 From me, though, goodnight. 780 00:43:26,736 --> 00:43:29,072 McLaren was there. He was terrified. 781 00:43:29,114 --> 00:43:30,907 He was shitting himself. 782 00:43:30,949 --> 00:43:33,034 He was death-white, you know, going 783 00:43:33,076 --> 00:43:35,454 "We'd fucking better get out of here, quick!" 784 00:43:35,495 --> 00:43:38,248 But the very next day, it was all his big idea. 785 00:43:41,126 --> 00:43:45,046 It was perfect stand-up comedy. It was Arthur Askey. 786 00:43:46,089 --> 00:43:49,301 # Well, I don't mind the things that you say # 787 00:43:49,342 --> 00:43:52,737 # I don't even mind goin' out of my way # 788 00:43:52,762 --> 00:43:56,266 # I try and do these things for you # 789 00:43:56,308 --> 00:44:00,061 # Why should I do it? I'm always untrue # 790 00:44:03,773 --> 00:44:06,776 That's all, a four letter word done everything. 791 00:44:09,029 --> 00:44:11,740 # Goin' outta my head # 792 00:44:13,325 --> 00:44:14,993 I loved it... 793 00:44:15,035 --> 00:44:19,122 I fucking loved it. It was like finally, I've arrived. 794 00:44:19,164 --> 00:44:22,083 Let the circus begin. 795 00:44:24,336 --> 00:44:27,797 # The bog is no place to see your face... # 796 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,758 The committee have decided, 797 00:44:29,799 --> 00:44:32,093 that in fairness to the public of Derby, 798 00:44:32,135 --> 00:44:35,805 the Sex Pistols will not perform here tonight, 799 00:44:35,847 --> 00:44:39,100 but we are quite agreeable that the three other groups 800 00:44:39,142 --> 00:44:42,354 that have already been booked will go on. 801 00:44:43,563 --> 00:44:46,066 For the last 1 2 months, punk rock has become 802 00:44:46,149 --> 00:44:48,610 almost a battle cry in British society. 803 00:44:48,652 --> 00:44:51,363 For many people, it's a bigger threat to our way of life 804 00:44:51,404 --> 00:44:54,032 than Russian Communism or hyper-inflation, 805 00:44:54,074 --> 00:44:57,969 and it generates more popular excitement than either of those. 806 00:44:57,994 --> 00:45:00,497 We hope tonight, by this protest 807 00:45:00,539 --> 00:45:04,251 to make Wales know, and to let the people of this town know, 808 00:45:04,292 --> 00:45:08,004 that we do protest and it is by no fault of ours, 809 00:45:08,046 --> 00:45:10,340 that this thing has come to Caerphilly. 810 00:45:10,382 --> 00:45:13,385 When your local council didn't ban the punk rock concert, 811 00:45:13,426 --> 00:45:16,012 you actually went down there and tried to stop it yourself? 812 00:45:16,054 --> 00:45:18,181 No, we never went to stop it at any time. 813 00:45:18,223 --> 00:45:20,350 We went there with a very positive Gospel message. 814 00:45:20,392 --> 00:45:23,144 We have done everything humanly possible 815 00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:25,146 to ban this thing and to stop it. 816 00:45:25,188 --> 00:45:27,190 Sir, can I ask you why you're here tonight? 817 00:45:27,232 --> 00:45:31,194 Because I am... recognized as a Christian. 818 00:45:31,236 --> 00:45:34,864 If I thought one of mine was in there, I'd go drag them out. 819 00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:38,243 They're outside, freezing. We're in here, we're all right. 820 00:45:41,538 --> 00:45:43,832 This one's about Harold Wilson... 821 00:45:43,873 --> 00:45:46,501 It's called "Liar." 822 00:45:46,543 --> 00:45:48,295 # You lie, lie, lie, lie lie... # 823 00:45:48,336 --> 00:45:53,758 # Sleep in heavenly peace # 824 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,261 # Should have realized... # 825 00:45:57,721 --> 00:46:00,390 On the "Anarchy" tour we was actually followed 826 00:46:00,432 --> 00:46:03,184 everywhere across the country, from gig to gig, 827 00:46:03,226 --> 00:46:06,855 and we had to turn up to show willingness to play, 828 00:46:06,896 --> 00:46:08,940 so presumably we would get the money, 829 00:46:08,982 --> 00:46:11,901 although it looked pound to a penny that they wasn't gonna let us play. 830 00:46:14,195 --> 00:46:17,365 Mr. Stabler, you can't watch punk concerts in Newcastle either? 831 00:46:17,407 --> 00:46:20,869 The decision was made when we discovered it was mere children 832 00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:23,288 that would be watching the performance. 833 00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:26,666 The average adult will go see a strip show, or a blue film. 834 00:46:26,708 --> 00:46:30,462 Banned in this town, and being banned in that town. 835 00:46:30,503 --> 00:46:33,465 And it really wasn't about us playing any more, 836 00:46:33,506 --> 00:46:36,509 it was about this controversy that we were like, 837 00:46:36,551 --> 00:46:39,262 throwing up on stage, and spitting. 838 00:46:40,597 --> 00:46:43,058 And I remember going across the Pennines, 839 00:46:43,099 --> 00:46:45,644 being followed by a fleet of press people, 840 00:46:45,685 --> 00:46:48,688 and we went to stop to get coffee and a sandwich, 841 00:46:48,772 --> 00:46:51,066 and we could hear what these press people were saying. 842 00:46:51,107 --> 00:46:52,651 One press guy said to the other, 843 00:46:52,692 --> 00:46:54,169 "Did you get anything?" and the other one said, 844 00:46:54,194 --> 00:46:56,738 "I got two 'fucks' and a 'shit' from Johnny Rotten." 845 00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:59,824 Can I now turn to Bernard Brook-Partridge in London... 846 00:46:59,866 --> 00:47:03,662 Most of these groups would be vastly improved by sudden death. 847 00:47:03,703 --> 00:47:06,373 The worst, currently, are the Sex Pistols. 848 00:47:06,414 --> 00:47:08,833 They are the antithesis of humankind... 849 00:47:09,876 --> 00:47:11,878 And the whole world would be vastly improved 850 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,838 by their total and utter non-existence. 851 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,257 # You're a liar # 852 00:47:18,009 --> 00:47:20,470 # Lie, lie, lie, lie... # 853 00:47:21,388 --> 00:47:24,432 The day Johnny Rotten goes back on the words he writes in his songs, 854 00:47:24,474 --> 00:47:26,643 is the day he dies. I know that for a fact. 855 00:47:26,685 --> 00:47:29,104 I think people did feel that this was... 856 00:47:29,145 --> 00:47:31,189 this was a sort of a downhill thing, 857 00:47:31,231 --> 00:47:34,442 and was a monster in our presence, and actually would, 858 00:47:34,484 --> 00:47:37,737 cause problems of image for the record industry. 859 00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:41,241 At that point, someone at EMI took the decision 860 00:47:41,282 --> 00:47:44,119 that they no longer wished to have the act on the label. 861 00:47:47,163 --> 00:47:49,124 This is about EMl. 862 00:47:51,084 --> 00:47:54,337 They're major labels with major attitudes, 863 00:47:54,379 --> 00:47:58,466 and they want everything to be fake and easily manipulative. 864 00:47:58,508 --> 00:48:01,678 And you can't be having that with people like us. 865 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,265 - Let's call it chaos! - It just doesn't happen. 866 00:48:05,306 --> 00:48:08,643 # An unlimited supply # 867 00:48:08,685 --> 00:48:11,312 # And there is no reason why # 868 00:48:11,354 --> 00:48:13,690 They told us that they were unable 869 00:48:13,732 --> 00:48:15,942 to continue to promote the act... 870 00:48:15,984 --> 00:48:17,819 And would we kindly leave. 871 00:48:19,362 --> 00:48:21,072 # E-M-l # 872 00:48:21,114 --> 00:48:22,949 "Let's call it chaos!" 873 00:48:22,991 --> 00:48:24,659 # E-M-l # 874 00:48:24,701 --> 00:48:26,327 "Let's call it chaos!" 875 00:48:26,369 --> 00:48:28,163 # E-M-l # 876 00:48:28,204 --> 00:48:29,873 "Let's call it chaos!" 877 00:48:33,626 --> 00:48:35,044 Ouch. 878 00:48:35,086 --> 00:48:38,523 # ...With an unlimited supply # 879 00:48:38,548 --> 00:48:42,260 # That was the only reason # 880 00:48:42,302 --> 00:48:46,055 # We all had to say goodbye # 881 00:48:46,097 --> 00:48:49,851 # Unlimited supply... E-M-l # 882 00:48:49,893 --> 00:48:53,313 # There is no reason why... E-M-l # 883 00:48:53,354 --> 00:48:55,440 # Unlimited supply # 884 00:48:55,482 --> 00:48:56,858 # E-M-l # 885 00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:58,818 # Hello, EMI # 886 00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:01,446 # Good... bye! # 887 00:49:02,906 --> 00:49:06,826 It started with John and Glen falling out, really. 888 00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:08,870 Over what, I don't really know, 889 00:49:08,912 --> 00:49:11,039 just a clash of personalities, et cetera. 890 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,374 When you talk like an arsehole... 891 00:49:13,416 --> 00:49:16,419 and look like an arsehole, you're an arsehole. 892 00:49:16,461 --> 00:49:19,714 There was obviously a big problem between me and John. 893 00:49:19,756 --> 00:49:22,342 I felt that once John got his face in the papers, 894 00:49:22,383 --> 00:49:24,594 he'd become a different person... 895 00:49:24,636 --> 00:49:26,346 Which I didn't particularly like. 896 00:49:26,387 --> 00:49:30,016 When we went to Holland, my last gig with them was at the Paradiso. 897 00:49:30,058 --> 00:49:32,477 I felt everybody was on my case. 898 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,688 He was always complaining that we were too outrageous, 899 00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:38,900 and it's a funny thing, but he was always washing himself. 900 00:49:38,942 --> 00:49:40,944 Whenever we'd get into a hotel, 901 00:49:40,985 --> 00:49:44,072 he'd be washing his fucking feet in the sink. 902 00:49:44,113 --> 00:49:46,115 Me and Steve were like that, I suppose, 903 00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:48,117 and John always felt on the outside. 904 00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,745 He thought by bringing Sid in, he would have someone there, 905 00:49:50,787 --> 00:49:52,622 like a partner, you know? 906 00:49:52,664 --> 00:49:54,415 Someone a bit closer to him. 907 00:49:56,251 --> 00:49:57,894 I'd heard that they'd been rehearsing with Sid. 908 00:49:57,919 --> 00:50:00,088 Nobody had the courtesy to tell me. 909 00:50:11,683 --> 00:50:13,935 It had become like a cartoon strip band, 910 00:50:13,977 --> 00:50:16,980 as opposed to a rock and roll band that actually plays 911 00:50:17,021 --> 00:50:18,648 and does something for real. 912 00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:20,900 # I got no emotions for anybody else # 913 00:50:20,942 --> 00:50:23,695 # You better understand I'm in love with myself # 914 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,490 Glen had reached a point where he decided 915 00:50:27,532 --> 00:50:31,119 that the band's direction was absolutely alien 916 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,788 to anything he wanted to be associated with. 917 00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:35,540 That's absolute bollocks. 918 00:50:35,582 --> 00:50:38,626 I think one of Malcolm's games was, sort of divide and conquer. 919 00:50:38,668 --> 00:50:40,837 Malcolm had told John I'd said a lot of stuff 920 00:50:40,879 --> 00:50:42,964 which I hadn't said, and Malcolm had told me 921 00:50:43,006 --> 00:50:45,633 John had said a lot of stuff that he hadn't said. 922 00:50:46,718 --> 00:50:49,470 I respect him. I always did. 923 00:50:49,512 --> 00:50:51,489 He taught them to play. 924 00:50:51,514 --> 00:50:54,142 I kind of regretted him leaving... 925 00:50:54,183 --> 00:50:57,145 because Sid couldn't play a fucking note. 926 00:50:57,186 --> 00:51:00,315 # ...see his picture hanging on your wall # 927 00:51:05,528 --> 00:51:08,781 I feel guilty about Sid, 928 00:51:08,823 --> 00:51:13,494 because I wish I could have told him more... 929 00:51:13,536 --> 00:51:15,788 about what to expect. 930 00:51:17,665 --> 00:51:20,627 Well... I was getting my own group together, 931 00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:22,629 "The Flowers of Romance," 932 00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:25,256 and Rotten asked me if I wanted to join the... 933 00:51:25,298 --> 00:51:27,258 There was this big hoo-ha, and Malcolm said, 934 00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,677 "It's all a big secret, man," you know... 935 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,472 "Come down to this pub at such and such and that," 936 00:51:32,513 --> 00:51:34,891 and I thought they were gonna do me over 937 00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:38,269 'cause I didn't turn up to one of Rotten's parties or something. 938 00:51:38,311 --> 00:51:41,022 He gets touchy over things like that. 939 00:51:41,064 --> 00:51:43,483 And... I went down there and he said, 940 00:51:43,524 --> 00:51:45,360 "Do you wanna play bass for the Sex Pistols?" 941 00:52:00,166 --> 00:52:03,211 # Turn the page and it's the scoop of the century # 942 00:52:03,252 --> 00:52:06,756 # Don't wanna be I seven I've had enough of this # 943 00:52:06,798 --> 00:52:10,176 # This is brainwash and this is a clue # 944 00:52:10,218 --> 00:52:13,554 # To the stars who fooled you # 945 00:52:14,931 --> 00:52:16,599 Sid was my mate. 946 00:52:16,641 --> 00:52:18,643 Very, very close mate. 947 00:52:18,685 --> 00:52:20,561 He'd just... laugh at everything. 948 00:52:21,646 --> 00:52:25,149 Genius in that way, and his name was John. 949 00:52:30,571 --> 00:52:33,741 # I got you in the camera, I got you in my camera # 950 00:52:33,783 --> 00:52:37,286 # A second of your life ruined for life # 951 00:52:37,328 --> 00:52:40,164 We'd do lots of mad things together, me and Sid. 952 00:52:40,206 --> 00:52:42,417 We used to busk too, for money... 953 00:52:43,459 --> 00:52:45,795 Me with a violin, Sid with a tambourine, 954 00:52:45,837 --> 00:52:49,257 maybe a broken guitar, doing Alice Cooper songs. 955 00:52:49,298 --> 00:52:51,300 "I Love the Dead" was our favorite. 956 00:52:51,342 --> 00:52:53,344 That would get us the most money. 957 00:52:53,386 --> 00:52:55,638 "Just please shut up." 958 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,765 "Here... take the money, go somewhere else." 959 00:53:03,438 --> 00:53:06,691 Why dost thou spit... at me? 960 00:53:09,652 --> 00:53:13,614 The best time of the band of all was when Sid first joined, 961 00:53:13,656 --> 00:53:17,160 and he was really determined to learn the bass 962 00:53:17,201 --> 00:53:18,786 and fit in and be part of the band. 963 00:53:18,828 --> 00:53:21,080 He definitely looked great, Sid... 964 00:53:21,122 --> 00:53:23,750 Yeah, he definitely was a face. A real laugh. 965 00:53:23,791 --> 00:53:26,127 He used to take the piss out of Rotten. 966 00:53:26,169 --> 00:53:28,296 All I did was cash in on the fact 967 00:53:28,337 --> 00:53:31,257 that I'm good-looking, and I have a good figure, 968 00:53:31,299 --> 00:53:33,259 and girls like me. 969 00:53:33,342 --> 00:53:37,096 What do they want, a fucking angel in flares and an anorak? 970 00:53:37,138 --> 00:53:39,348 'Cause if they want that... 971 00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:41,976 that ain't me, baby. 972 00:53:44,562 --> 00:53:46,731 Found myself in this rather curious little shop, 973 00:53:46,773 --> 00:53:49,192 in the company of Johnny Rotten, Sid Vicious, 974 00:53:49,233 --> 00:53:51,944 and other assorted Sex Pistols. 975 00:53:51,986 --> 00:53:53,321 Hello, Mr. Nimmo. 976 00:54:00,286 --> 00:54:02,455 And the last they heard, a donkey had him cornered 977 00:54:02,497 --> 00:54:04,082 up a back alley in Fulham. 978 00:54:07,251 --> 00:54:10,088 After EMI dumped the Sex Pistols, 979 00:54:10,129 --> 00:54:12,006 A&M Records picked them up, 980 00:54:12,048 --> 00:54:14,342 and staged a contract signing ceremony 981 00:54:14,383 --> 00:54:16,344 in front of Buckingham Palace. 982 00:54:16,385 --> 00:54:19,305 Malcolm was honest in one respect... 983 00:54:19,347 --> 00:54:23,142 That he always said he had no control over us. 984 00:54:23,184 --> 00:54:24,811 And he didn't. 985 00:54:24,852 --> 00:54:28,314 And a bloody good punch-up, in a limo, 986 00:54:28,356 --> 00:54:32,819 before a signing was not really unusual. 987 00:54:33,903 --> 00:54:36,155 It was a good fight, too. 988 00:54:36,197 --> 00:54:38,199 "No, you're the biggest cunt," 989 00:54:38,241 --> 00:54:40,218 "No, you're the worst cunt," 990 00:54:40,243 --> 00:54:42,787 "No, you're the cunt," et cetera, et cetera. 991 00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:45,706 There was only one cunt I wanted to smack, 992 00:54:45,748 --> 00:54:48,501 and that was Malcolm. Then the door opened, 993 00:54:48,543 --> 00:54:50,545 and then we had to do the signing. 994 00:54:51,587 --> 00:54:53,506 At this point, the Sex Pistols, 995 00:54:53,548 --> 00:54:56,717 despite having been fired, were not exactly suffering. 996 00:54:56,759 --> 00:54:58,886 Here they were, signing a new contract 997 00:54:58,928 --> 00:55:00,680 that could make them a lot of money, 998 00:55:00,721 --> 00:55:03,683 and they already had a song to record for A&M 999 00:55:03,766 --> 00:55:05,893 in honor of the Queen's jubilee. 1000 00:55:05,935 --> 00:55:09,063 Sid's father was a Grenadier guard. 1001 00:55:09,105 --> 00:55:13,151 Imagine that... Sid signing a very, very expensive contract, 1002 00:55:13,192 --> 00:55:17,321 while his old man's on guard inside the fence. 1003 00:55:17,363 --> 00:55:19,615 It was genius. 1004 00:55:21,617 --> 00:55:25,037 According to the story, after this happy signing ceremony, 1005 00:55:25,121 --> 00:55:28,416 everyone went back to the A&M offices to celebrate. 1006 00:55:29,625 --> 00:55:32,461 The four Sex Pistols apparently over celebrated, 1007 00:55:32,503 --> 00:55:34,589 and lived up to their public image 1008 00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:36,883 of thorough obnoxiousness. 1009 00:55:36,924 --> 00:55:38,259 - How are you doing? - Get away. 1010 00:55:38,301 --> 00:55:40,094 When we got to A&M records, 1011 00:55:40,136 --> 00:55:42,346 total bedlam broke out there as well. 1012 00:55:42,388 --> 00:55:44,140 I can't remember what happened, 1013 00:55:44,182 --> 00:55:46,058 but the secretaries were terrified, 1014 00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,227 and Sid's foot was bleeding. 1015 00:55:48,269 --> 00:55:51,647 I had a black eye, Malcolm was running around, 1016 00:55:51,689 --> 00:55:54,400 Steve was flirting with all the secretaries, 1017 00:55:54,442 --> 00:55:57,403 and then we got in the car, then went to the studio, 1018 00:55:57,445 --> 00:55:59,922 where we were recording "God Save the Queen" with Chris Thomas, 1019 00:55:59,947 --> 00:56:03,117 and there's this school next door, and all the kids come running out 1020 00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:05,536 'cause we were there. And they called the police as well. 1021 00:56:05,578 --> 00:56:07,413 It was just total mad day. 1022 00:56:07,455 --> 00:56:09,457 The next day we woke up, Malcolm said, 1023 00:56:09,498 --> 00:56:11,834 "Well, A&M have fired you." 1024 00:56:13,544 --> 00:56:15,796 The anti-establishment Sex Pistols 1025 00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:17,882 called in the establishment press 1026 00:56:17,924 --> 00:56:19,800 to protest what had happened to them. 1027 00:56:19,842 --> 00:56:22,929 We feel that we're like some contagious disease. 1028 00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:24,680 When you walk in and out of a company, 1029 00:56:24,722 --> 00:56:26,824 and the guy just gives you... "Look... Take this money 1030 00:56:26,849 --> 00:56:28,768 and don't come back." 1031 00:56:28,809 --> 00:56:31,020 What are you supposed to think about that? 1032 00:56:31,062 --> 00:56:32,438 Have you had the money? 1033 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,149 Yes, they gave us the check last night. 1034 00:56:35,191 --> 00:56:37,818 Makes it very clear where their heads are at... 1035 00:56:38,694 --> 00:56:39,528 Nowhere. 1036 00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,657 We weren't the nice boys they thought we were. 1037 00:56:42,698 --> 00:56:44,742 We aren't nice boys. 1038 00:56:44,784 --> 00:56:47,578 We were fucking nasty little bastards. 1039 00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:50,873 And we still are. 1040 00:56:52,041 --> 00:56:53,542 Virgin Records signed them, 1041 00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:55,127 and Johnny Rotten got to record 1042 00:56:55,211 --> 00:56:57,421 his Queen's jubilee memorial song... 1043 00:56:57,463 --> 00:56:59,340 "God Save the Queen." 1044 00:57:00,883 --> 00:57:02,927 You don't write "God Save the Queen" 1045 00:57:02,969 --> 00:57:05,680 because you hate the English race. 1046 00:57:05,721 --> 00:57:08,724 You write a song like that because you love them, 1047 00:57:08,766 --> 00:57:12,228 and you're fed up with them being mistreated. 1048 00:57:32,123 --> 00:57:35,042 # God save the Queen # 1049 00:57:35,084 --> 00:57:37,128 # The fascist regime # 1050 00:57:38,838 --> 00:57:41,048 # They made you a moron # 1051 00:57:42,216 --> 00:57:44,385 # Potential H-bomb # 1052 00:57:45,386 --> 00:57:47,054 # God save the Queen # 1053 00:57:48,514 --> 00:57:50,725 # She ain't no human being # 1054 00:57:52,101 --> 00:57:54,145 # There is no future # 1055 00:57:55,438 --> 00:57:58,774 # In England's dreamin' # 1056 00:57:58,816 --> 00:58:01,902 # Don't be told what you want # 1057 00:58:01,944 --> 00:58:05,406 # Don't be told what you need # 1058 00:58:05,448 --> 00:58:08,826 # There's no future, no future # 1059 00:58:08,868 --> 00:58:12,038 # No future for you # 1060 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,956 # God save the Queen # 1061 00:58:15,499 --> 00:58:17,543 # We mean it, man # 1062 00:58:18,669 --> 00:58:20,838 # We love our Queen # 1063 00:58:22,131 --> 00:58:23,841 # God saves # 1064 00:58:25,801 --> 00:58:27,720 # God save the Queen # 1065 00:58:28,971 --> 00:58:30,931 # 'Cause tourists are money # 1066 00:58:32,433 --> 00:58:34,310 # Our figurehead... # 1067 00:58:36,812 --> 00:58:39,523 Shall I be plain? I wish the bastards dead. 1068 00:58:39,565 --> 00:58:41,442 # Oh, God save history # 1069 00:58:42,568 --> 00:58:44,445 # God save the mad parade # 1070 00:58:45,905 --> 00:58:49,241 # Oh, Lord God have mercy # 1071 00:58:49,283 --> 00:58:52,286 # All crimes are paid # 1072 00:58:52,328 --> 00:58:55,873 # When there's no future how can there be sin # 1073 00:58:55,915 --> 00:58:59,293 # We're the flowers in your dustbin # 1074 00:58:59,335 --> 00:59:02,671 # We're the poison in your human machine # 1075 00:59:02,713 --> 00:59:06,092 # We're the future... Your future # 1076 00:59:06,133 --> 00:59:08,094 # God save the Queen # 1077 00:59:09,261 --> 00:59:11,347 # We mean it, man # 1078 00:59:12,765 --> 00:59:14,934 # We love our Queen # 1079 00:59:15,976 --> 00:59:17,895 # God saves # 1080 00:59:26,362 --> 00:59:28,948 I really don't think what he was singing about was outrageous. 1081 00:59:28,989 --> 00:59:31,784 He's not saying "Let's kill her," or "Let's fuck her." 1082 00:59:31,826 --> 00:59:34,328 He was pointing out what the truth was. 1083 00:59:35,204 --> 00:59:36,705 # God save the Queen # 1084 00:59:38,290 --> 00:59:40,292 # We mean it, man # 1085 00:59:41,877 --> 00:59:43,712 # There is no future # 1086 00:59:44,797 --> 00:59:47,216 # In England's dreaming # 1087 00:59:48,801 --> 00:59:52,096 # No future # 1088 00:59:52,138 --> 00:59:55,182 # No future # 1089 00:59:55,224 --> 00:59:59,603 # No future for you # 1090 01:00:02,189 --> 01:00:05,651 # No future # 1091 01:00:05,734 --> 01:00:08,988 # No future # 1092 01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:14,201 # No future for me # 1093 01:00:14,243 --> 01:00:15,911 Chop off his head, man. 1094 01:00:15,953 --> 01:00:19,390 # No future # 1095 01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:22,751 # No future # 1096 01:00:22,793 --> 01:00:27,673 # No future for you # 1097 01:00:27,715 --> 01:00:29,884 # No future # 1098 01:00:29,925 --> 01:00:32,803 # No future for you # 1099 01:00:40,227 --> 01:00:42,897 It alienated the entire country. 1100 01:00:42,938 --> 01:00:46,025 If they'd have hung us at traitor's gate, 1101 01:00:46,066 --> 01:00:49,361 it would have been applauded by 56 million. 1102 01:00:53,282 --> 01:00:56,660 You can't beat that, man. That's National Gallery status. 1103 01:00:58,537 --> 01:01:00,998 It's raining silver in "The Sun" this week. 1104 01:01:02,458 --> 01:01:04,335 "God Save the Queen" 1105 01:01:04,376 --> 01:01:07,588 was the alternative national anthem. 1106 01:01:09,298 --> 01:01:11,592 What we offered to England... 1107 01:01:11,634 --> 01:01:12,760 was... 1108 01:01:14,929 --> 01:01:17,640 a pivotal point. We were the maypole 1109 01:01:17,681 --> 01:01:19,892 that they danced around. 1110 01:01:22,061 --> 01:01:26,190 # Go away, I hate you, hate you, hate you # 1111 01:01:26,232 --> 01:01:30,027 # Go away, I hate you, far across the sea # 1112 01:01:35,366 --> 01:01:38,327 Where better to celebrate the release of "God Save the Queen" 1113 01:01:38,369 --> 01:01:40,496 than down the Thames, and start playing 1114 01:01:40,538 --> 01:01:41,847 outside the Houses of Parliament? 1115 01:01:41,872 --> 01:01:45,709 "God Save the Queen," and "Anarchy in the UK" on Jubilee Day. 1116 01:01:48,254 --> 01:01:50,548 I just wanted out of the country... 1117 01:01:50,589 --> 01:01:52,675 And there was no way out. 1118 01:01:55,761 --> 01:01:58,138 Ever get the feeling you've been trapped? 1119 01:01:59,723 --> 01:02:01,684 This is obscene, the whole thing. 1120 01:02:02,977 --> 01:02:04,436 All of this, it's bullshit. 1121 01:02:05,938 --> 01:02:08,440 Well, I've had enough of your bullshit. 1122 01:02:09,149 --> 01:02:11,318 I'm too cold now. I'm going back downstairs. 1123 01:02:12,528 --> 01:02:15,155 I loved it. I was getting my 20 quid a week, 1124 01:02:15,197 --> 01:02:16,907 thinking everything was great. 1125 01:02:16,949 --> 01:02:19,451 I didn't wanna fucking deal with the business side of it, 1126 01:02:19,493 --> 01:02:21,203 I didn't really question it. 1127 01:02:21,245 --> 01:02:23,789 I was McLaren's friend before the band, 1128 01:02:23,872 --> 01:02:26,417 so I trusted McLaren like a friend. 1129 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,852 # Too many problems why am I here # 1130 01:02:44,893 --> 01:02:48,188 # Don't need to be me 'cause you're all too clear # 1131 01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:51,817 # I can see there's something wrong with you # 1132 01:02:51,859 --> 01:02:54,903 # But what do you expect me to do? # 1133 01:02:54,945 --> 01:02:58,382 # At least I gotta know what I wanna be # 1134 01:02:58,407 --> 01:03:01,994 # Don't come to me if you need pity # 1135 01:03:02,036 --> 01:03:05,539 # Are you lonely you got no one # 1136 01:03:05,581 --> 01:03:08,959 # You get your body in suspension # 1137 01:03:09,001 --> 01:03:11,378 # That's no problem # 1138 01:03:12,546 --> 01:03:14,798 # Problems # 1139 01:03:16,050 --> 01:03:20,554 # Problems the problem is you # 1140 01:03:20,596 --> 01:03:23,182 The reason we're here is because it's the Sex Pistols. 1141 01:03:23,223 --> 01:03:25,659 If it wasn't the Sex Pistols there'd be no interest in this, 1142 01:03:25,684 --> 01:03:27,311 in this... boat tonight. 1143 01:03:27,353 --> 01:03:30,814 Look, we've got Richard Branson looking like "Catweazel." 1144 01:03:33,484 --> 01:03:36,236 # They know a doctor gonna take you away # 1145 01:03:36,278 --> 01:03:39,782 # They take you away and throw away the key # 1146 01:03:39,823 --> 01:03:42,826 # They don't want you and they don't want me # 1147 01:03:42,868 --> 01:03:46,121 # You got a problem... # 1148 01:03:47,665 --> 01:03:49,291 What happened to Malcolm? 1149 01:03:51,126 --> 01:03:54,004 # Problems, problems # 1150 01:03:54,046 --> 01:03:56,757 # Problems, problems # 1151 01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:58,676 # Problems, problems... # 1152 01:04:03,972 --> 01:04:06,642 # Problems... problems... # 1153 01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:12,439 # Problems... problems. # 1154 01:04:15,484 --> 01:04:18,487 We declared war on England... 1155 01:04:18,529 --> 01:04:21,740 without meaning to. 1156 01:04:21,782 --> 01:04:24,576 At eight, the Muppets' "Halfway Down the Stairs," 1157 01:04:24,618 --> 01:04:27,162 at seven, the Alessi Brothers and "O, Lori," 1158 01:04:27,204 --> 01:04:29,665 at number six, Emerson, Lake and Palmer 1159 01:04:29,707 --> 01:04:31,667 and "Fanfare for the Common Man," 1160 01:04:31,709 --> 01:04:33,877 at five, The Electric Light Orchestra, "Phone Line," 1161 01:04:33,919 --> 01:04:35,963 four... Stranglers and "Peaches," 1162 01:04:36,004 --> 01:04:37,756 three... Queen, "Lover Boy," 1163 01:04:37,798 --> 01:04:40,217 and two, Eagles, "Hotel California," 1164 01:04:40,259 --> 01:04:42,761 the Sex Pistols' current record "God Save the Queen" 1165 01:04:42,803 --> 01:04:44,972 is at number one in the Capital Hit Line today. 1166 01:04:45,013 --> 01:04:48,183 But the IBA, which administers the broadcasting act 1167 01:04:48,225 --> 01:04:51,228 has advised us that particularly at this time, 1168 01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:53,647 this record is likely to cause offense 1169 01:04:53,689 --> 01:04:55,441 to a number of our listeners, 1170 01:04:55,482 --> 01:04:58,318 and have asked us not to play it in our normal programming. 1171 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,821 "God Save the Queen" was never number one. 1172 01:05:00,863 --> 01:05:03,449 There was no number one that week. 1173 01:05:05,993 --> 01:05:08,495 Whatever we were saying and doing 1174 01:05:08,537 --> 01:05:12,291 really hit a nerve, a raw nerve. 1175 01:05:12,332 --> 01:05:14,501 It was fucked up. 1176 01:05:14,543 --> 01:05:17,129 I still had to bunk on the subways, 1177 01:05:17,171 --> 01:05:18,964 couldn't afford a cab, 1178 01:05:19,006 --> 01:05:22,885 and all of that the management didn't want to deal with. 1179 01:05:22,926 --> 01:05:25,679 Completely from there on in, 1180 01:05:25,721 --> 01:05:27,848 walking around the streets of London 1181 01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:30,058 on my own, was impossible. 1182 01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:33,061 I would be attacked on sight. 1183 01:05:33,687 --> 01:05:37,274 You felt like a werewolf being, like hounded. 1184 01:05:39,902 --> 01:05:43,280 Constantly in fear of your life, really. 1185 01:05:45,991 --> 01:05:48,202 "God Save the Queen", eh, John? 1186 01:05:56,543 --> 01:06:00,172 I got a machete blade ripped down this leg, 1187 01:06:00,214 --> 01:06:03,675 and the blade stuck in my kneecap... 1188 01:06:03,759 --> 01:06:05,969 and they couldn't pull it out, 1189 01:06:06,011 --> 01:06:08,388 so I had to like, walk off with that. 1190 01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:12,059 I got a stiletto blade through my wrist here, 1191 01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:16,522 lucky not to have had one of my eyes gouged out, 1192 01:06:16,605 --> 01:06:19,274 'cause a bottle was shoved in here. 1193 01:06:19,316 --> 01:06:20,734 Got to the hospital... 1194 01:06:20,776 --> 01:06:23,403 first thing they do is call the police. 1195 01:06:23,445 --> 01:06:28,909 And I get arrested for "suspicion of causing an affray." 1196 01:06:28,951 --> 01:06:31,829 And the telephone call from the editor... 1197 01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:35,582 who would say, "Malcolm, we'll print anything, 1198 01:06:35,624 --> 01:06:37,793 'cause you sell more papers 1199 01:06:37,835 --> 01:06:40,087 than we ever did on Armistice Day." 1200 01:06:40,379 --> 01:06:43,632 It's 7:00 on Wednesday, the 1 7th of August. 1201 01:06:43,674 --> 01:06:46,718 Elvis Presley, at one time known to millions 1202 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,428 as "The King of Rock and Roll," 1203 01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:50,848 has died suddenly at the age of 42. 1204 01:06:50,889 --> 01:06:53,100 The king of rock and roll died yesterday. 1205 01:06:53,141 --> 01:06:55,978 He was found face down on a bathroom floor. 1206 01:06:56,019 --> 01:06:57,771 There had been numerous reports 1207 01:06:57,813 --> 01:07:00,023 that Presley was a heavy drug user. 1208 01:07:00,065 --> 01:07:01,775 All that time when Malcolm was saying, 1209 01:07:01,817 --> 01:07:04,611 "We can't get gigs in the UK," we could have played abroad. 1210 01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:07,281 We could have fucking done that, couldn't we, Julien? 1211 01:07:07,322 --> 01:07:11,410 Who needs the fucking UK? It's a load of fucking shit. 1212 01:07:13,245 --> 01:07:16,206 Got a lot of wax in my ears today. 1213 01:07:16,748 --> 01:07:19,293 So we were left doing nothing. I was just sitting there, 1214 01:07:19,334 --> 01:07:21,962 with... like, we didn't even fucking rehearse, 1215 01:07:22,004 --> 01:07:24,464 nobody wanted to fucking rehearse or do anything. 1216 01:07:24,506 --> 01:07:27,968 So, like, you know... It's a logical conclusion, 1217 01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:30,220 d'you know what I mean? Boredom... 1218 01:07:30,262 --> 01:07:34,933 And, like, I'm that way inclined so what do I turn to? 1219 01:07:34,975 --> 01:07:37,603 No, I couldn't take them off. 1220 01:07:37,895 --> 01:07:40,814 My nose is broken, I'm keeping them on. 1221 01:07:40,856 --> 01:07:44,276 And she showed up with Sid, and I was thinking, 1222 01:07:44,359 --> 01:07:48,155 "Who the fuck is this cunt? This is an 'orrible person." 1223 01:07:48,196 --> 01:07:50,157 It was like, the weirdest thing... 1224 01:07:50,198 --> 01:07:53,410 I'd never felt such a negative energy from someone. 1225 01:07:53,452 --> 01:07:56,079 There was just a dark cloud... 1226 01:07:56,121 --> 01:07:58,874 Over this bird, and I fucking hated her. 1227 01:07:58,916 --> 01:08:01,460 The first time I came across Nancy, 1228 01:08:01,543 --> 01:08:03,921 I think Steve was shagging her in the toilet. 1229 01:08:03,962 --> 01:08:06,340 I didn't like her. 1230 01:08:06,381 --> 01:08:09,509 Nancy was a hooker... 1231 01:08:09,551 --> 01:08:13,764 That was on the coattails of the "New York Dolls." 1232 01:08:15,515 --> 01:08:18,894 And I actually introduced her to Sid. 1233 01:08:18,936 --> 01:08:21,188 Shame on me. 1234 01:08:22,648 --> 01:08:26,026 In New York I was dancing without any clothes on. 1235 01:08:26,068 --> 01:08:28,528 I used to go down to the guys and dance in front of them, 1236 01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:30,447 and then get tips off them, 1237 01:08:30,489 --> 01:08:32,282 and you'd do a little hand job, you know, 1238 01:08:32,324 --> 01:08:34,826 for... ten bucks, or they wanted to fuck. 1239 01:08:36,244 --> 01:08:38,205 I just... you know... 1240 01:08:39,414 --> 01:08:42,000 did it, you know, I just... 1241 01:08:42,042 --> 01:08:43,752 There wasn't really anything to it, 1242 01:08:43,794 --> 01:08:46,463 I just give good blowjobs. 1243 01:08:49,007 --> 01:08:51,343 "It'll rip your balls off." 1244 01:08:51,385 --> 01:08:53,845 I read the first Sex Pistols review, 1245 01:08:53,887 --> 01:08:56,348 which was shit, and I said, "I gotta get over there." 1246 01:08:56,431 --> 01:08:59,226 I wanted to see something exciting. 1247 01:08:59,810 --> 01:09:04,731 Nancy, as his heroin dealer/ girlfriend... 1248 01:09:04,773 --> 01:09:09,653 Was pumping him up with gear every chance she could get. 1249 01:09:09,695 --> 01:09:12,197 He didn't like me 'cause I was a junkie. 1250 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,367 He tried to keep me and Sid apart for months, 1251 01:09:15,409 --> 01:09:17,244 months, months. 1252 01:09:17,285 --> 01:09:20,247 Everyone knows when a bird starts poking her nose 1253 01:09:20,288 --> 01:09:23,041 into a rock and roll band, that it's suicidal. 1254 01:09:23,083 --> 01:09:25,502 'Cause that's when he really started getting fucked up, 1255 01:09:25,544 --> 01:09:27,504 and not caring about playing. 1256 01:09:27,546 --> 01:09:29,297 And I didn't want anything to do with her. 1257 01:09:29,339 --> 01:09:31,299 We did everything to get rid of Nancy 1258 01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:33,510 that was physically possible. 1259 01:09:33,552 --> 01:09:35,554 I even dangled her 1260 01:09:35,637 --> 01:09:38,849 out of a window one night, by her ankles. 1261 01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:41,560 And the rest of the band hated me... 1262 01:09:41,601 --> 01:09:43,937 'cause I was with the New York Dolls... 1263 01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:46,064 Johnny and Jerry, and they were junkies. 1264 01:09:46,106 --> 01:09:47,774 # Fix # 1265 01:09:47,816 --> 01:09:50,152 # My baby... # 1266 01:09:56,158 --> 01:09:58,493 They definitely brought a lot of heroin around, too. 1267 01:09:58,535 --> 01:10:01,747 And I know Sid was totally into Johnny Thunders. 1268 01:10:01,788 --> 01:10:03,874 I like the New York Dolls, 1269 01:10:03,915 --> 01:10:07,586 'cause they were nasty and mean, and they wore makeup, 1270 01:10:07,627 --> 01:10:09,254 and they didn't give a shit. 1271 01:10:09,296 --> 01:10:11,548 And they played godawful rock and roll. 1272 01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:14,301 And they had good names, and good hairdos. 1273 01:10:14,342 --> 01:10:16,678 It definitely had a big effect on me. 1274 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,638 I thought he was the coolest thing ever... 1275 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,390 Thunders, at that time. 1276 01:10:20,432 --> 01:10:22,434 I started stealing some of his stances, 1277 01:10:22,517 --> 01:10:24,686 and his looks, and, you know, his moves on stage. 1278 01:10:24,728 --> 01:10:27,272 I look back at it now, and I'm embarrassed 1279 01:10:27,355 --> 01:10:29,816 at how much I fucking was trying to copy him. 1280 01:10:29,858 --> 01:10:32,486 I didn't need to do that. I had my own thing already. 1281 01:10:32,527 --> 01:10:35,155 My invention to the Sex Pistols 1282 01:10:35,197 --> 01:10:36,990 was the hanky on the head. 1283 01:10:37,908 --> 01:10:40,994 It was kind of funny, actually, when I used to see fans doing it, 1284 01:10:41,036 --> 01:10:43,538 I thought, "Oh, look, they're doing something I invented." 1285 01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:45,624 Cunt, shit, bollocks. 1286 01:10:45,665 --> 01:10:47,584 Bill Grundy's a poof! 1287 01:10:47,626 --> 01:10:50,378 Because I've made my self-esteem rise an inch. 1288 01:10:51,797 --> 01:10:55,008 Leatherjackets came with the heroin. 1289 01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:59,179 Vampirish goth look came with the heroin. 1290 01:10:59,221 --> 01:11:01,515 This ruined Sid... 1291 01:11:01,556 --> 01:11:03,934 Here, want one of these? 1292 01:11:03,975 --> 01:11:06,853 Because he was a complete gullible fashion victim. 1293 01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:11,316 Sid went straight into the worst kind of rock and roll idiot 1294 01:11:11,358 --> 01:11:13,860 you could ever hope to have a nightmare about. 1295 01:11:15,403 --> 01:11:17,989 He didn't get that what we were doing was... 1296 01:11:18,031 --> 01:11:20,408 Who wants some safety pins? 1297 01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:22,619 Our culture, our life. 1298 01:11:24,579 --> 01:11:26,164 Who else wants something? 1299 01:11:26,248 --> 01:11:28,750 Come on if you want something, you cunts! 1300 01:11:30,961 --> 01:11:34,631 Alls I can tell you is yes, I can take on England, 1301 01:11:34,673 --> 01:11:37,676 but I couldn't take on one heroin addict. 1302 01:11:37,759 --> 01:11:40,470 Oh, look, Sid. 1303 01:11:43,807 --> 01:11:46,643 At a time where we should have been the tightest, 1304 01:11:46,685 --> 01:11:49,062 it couldn't be looser. 1305 01:11:55,527 --> 01:11:58,864 # There's no point in asking, you'll get no reply # 1306 01:11:58,905 --> 01:12:02,367 # Oh, just remember I don't decide # 1307 01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:05,620 # I got no reason, it's all too much # 1308 01:12:05,662 --> 01:12:08,456 # You'll always find us # 1309 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:12,586 # Out to lunch # 1310 01:12:14,588 --> 01:12:17,841 # We're so pretty, oh, so pretty # 1311 01:12:19,134 --> 01:12:21,178 # We're vacant # 1312 01:12:21,219 --> 01:12:23,430 It's a pity in a way. All these rich kids... 1313 01:12:23,471 --> 01:12:26,808 Becoming punks. I find that revolting. 1314 01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:28,602 It's like an army now, 1315 01:12:28,643 --> 01:12:31,855 a faction... chic. 1316 01:12:31,897 --> 01:12:33,857 I'm not chic. 1317 01:12:33,899 --> 01:12:36,359 I could never be chic. 1318 01:12:36,401 --> 01:12:38,570 I was in it from its inception. 1319 01:12:38,612 --> 01:12:41,990 # There's no point in asking, you'll get no reply # 1320 01:12:42,032 --> 01:12:45,577 # Just remember I don't decide # 1321 01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:46,828 The punks ruined it... 1322 01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:51,291 They adopted a uniform image in attitude, 1323 01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:55,253 and the whole thing was about being yourself. 1324 01:12:57,631 --> 01:13:01,134 # We're so pretty, oh, so pretty... # 1325 01:13:01,176 --> 01:13:04,095 # Ah... vacant # 1326 01:13:04,721 --> 01:13:08,475 The cliche punk look which became the postcard punk 1327 01:13:08,516 --> 01:13:11,436 with a Mohican, and all black, with spiky hair and all that. 1328 01:13:11,478 --> 01:13:13,396 It was never like that to start with. 1329 01:13:13,438 --> 01:13:15,565 They didn't have the money 1330 01:13:15,607 --> 01:13:17,525 to go out and buy a 50 quid leatherjacket 1331 01:13:17,567 --> 01:13:20,487 it was very much a do-it-yourself kind of thing, you know? 1332 01:13:21,655 --> 01:13:23,823 # ...and we don't care # 1333 01:13:26,076 --> 01:13:28,245 And all those garbage, trashy bands... 1334 01:13:28,286 --> 01:13:30,830 Basically all saying, "Yeah, we're a punk band," 1335 01:13:30,872 --> 01:13:35,543 wrecked it outright. It became acceptable... 1336 01:13:35,585 --> 01:13:38,129 Absorbed back into the system. 1337 01:13:38,171 --> 01:13:40,215 The shitstem. 1338 01:13:43,385 --> 01:13:45,845 # We're pretty... # 1339 01:13:46,179 --> 01:13:47,764 # Pretty vacant # 1340 01:13:47,806 --> 01:13:48,723 I'm a punk! 1341 01:13:48,765 --> 01:13:51,434 # And we don't care! # 1342 01:13:56,022 --> 01:13:57,983 Mummy, mummy, come quick! 1343 01:13:59,276 --> 01:14:00,902 They've killed Bambi! 1344 01:14:02,654 --> 01:14:05,115 "Who killed Bambi" was Malcolm's idea. 1345 01:14:05,156 --> 01:14:08,535 We were musicians. We didn't want to make a film. 1346 01:14:09,786 --> 01:14:12,747 Malcolm was very good at spending other people's money. 1347 01:14:12,789 --> 01:14:15,083 But there was a load being put into the film 1348 01:14:15,125 --> 01:14:17,877 from the band's royalties, which we didn't know about. 1349 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,800 I remember just turning up to do a scene... 1350 01:14:23,842 --> 01:14:26,069 there was this guy there, I thought, "Oh, he looks familiar..." 1351 01:14:26,094 --> 01:14:28,722 Do you know the way to Hindley Airfield, mate? 1352 01:14:28,763 --> 01:14:30,557 And I said, "I know you from somewhere," 1353 01:14:30,598 --> 01:14:32,267 and it was Sting. 1354 01:14:32,309 --> 01:14:35,312 It was his motion picture debut, I believe. 1355 01:14:35,353 --> 01:14:38,023 So it's flying lessons you're after, is it? 1356 01:14:39,274 --> 01:14:43,820 Well, you've come to the right place, Sex Pistol. 1357 01:14:43,862 --> 01:14:45,989 Be advised, drummer boy... 1358 01:14:46,031 --> 01:14:49,701 We're the sensational new Blow Waves, 1359 01:14:49,743 --> 01:14:52,078 and we know how to sell more records 1360 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,247 than Malcolm McLaren. 1361 01:14:54,289 --> 01:14:56,416 And I knew that it was just trash, 1362 01:14:56,458 --> 01:14:59,836 rubbishing the whole point and purpose. 1363 01:14:59,878 --> 01:15:02,380 We believe in rock and roll, 1364 01:15:02,422 --> 01:15:05,175 and we don't need you, Sex Pistol. 1365 01:15:05,216 --> 01:15:07,218 The record companies know 1366 01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:09,137 that our music means more to them 1367 01:15:09,179 --> 01:15:11,598 than your sick anarchy ever did. 1368 01:15:11,639 --> 01:15:13,433 Get out of my car, you cunts! 1369 01:15:13,475 --> 01:15:15,560 He used to really get the hump, McLaren, 1370 01:15:15,602 --> 01:15:17,437 when we started asking for money, 1371 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,147 so I stopped asking for it. 1372 01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:21,691 We never had our own lawyer, which is insanity. 1373 01:15:21,733 --> 01:15:25,236 That's the closest thing to being in one of these boy bands... 1374 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,614 Is that they all get reamed, 1375 01:15:27,655 --> 01:15:30,742 and we were getting reamed in that department. 1376 01:15:30,784 --> 01:15:33,870 How can you be a Sex Pistol with no money? 1377 01:15:33,912 --> 01:15:37,332 You ring the office, you get zero response, 1378 01:15:37,374 --> 01:15:40,418 your checks weren't paid, 1379 01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:44,798 no rent, no earnings, a complete disaster. 1380 01:15:44,839 --> 01:15:49,302 It was wonderful. "God Save the Queen"! 1381 01:15:49,344 --> 01:15:51,971 It was a monkey's tea party. 1382 01:15:52,013 --> 01:15:54,474 What the fuck was the manager doing? 1383 01:15:54,516 --> 01:15:57,936 The one that claimed that he was manipulating everything... 1384 01:15:57,977 --> 01:16:00,438 Manipulated nothing. 1385 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:02,982 He was clueless at that point. 1386 01:16:03,024 --> 01:16:05,360 Once we said, "We're fucking leaving the group 1387 01:16:05,402 --> 01:16:08,822 unless you fucking get us some gigs, you stupid little cunt," 1388 01:16:08,863 --> 01:16:11,199 he got something together the next day. 1389 01:16:11,241 --> 01:16:13,368 Well, he could have done that all the time. 1390 01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:17,288 "Spots" was a good one... Sex Pistols on tour. 1391 01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:19,916 But I thought it was dreadful that we had to, like, 1392 01:16:19,958 --> 01:16:23,336 not be ourselves, and go under secret monikers. 1393 01:16:23,378 --> 01:16:26,548 I'm a Sex Pistol, and that's it. 1394 01:16:32,429 --> 01:16:35,098 And we just did these secret gigs in the small clubs, 1395 01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:38,351 and it was just packed with fans who'd never seen us. 1396 01:16:38,393 --> 01:16:40,103 And they were like the best shows, man. 1397 01:16:40,145 --> 01:16:42,021 They were fucking great. 1398 01:16:49,195 --> 01:16:52,198 # A cheap holiday in other people's misery # 1399 01:16:58,496 --> 01:17:01,583 # I don't want a holiday in the sun # 1400 01:17:01,624 --> 01:17:04,836 # I wanna go to the new Belsen # 1401 01:17:04,878 --> 01:17:07,964 # I wanna see some history # 1402 01:17:08,006 --> 01:17:10,967 # 'Cause now I got a reasonable economy # 1403 01:17:11,009 --> 01:17:14,387 # Now I got a reason, now I got a reason # 1404 01:17:14,429 --> 01:17:17,765 # Now I got a reason, and I'm still waiting # 1405 01:17:17,807 --> 01:17:20,894 # Now I got a reason, now I got a reason # 1406 01:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,371 # To be waiting # 1407 01:17:23,396 --> 01:17:25,857 # The Berlin wall # 1408 01:17:33,823 --> 01:17:38,119 I thought "Holidays in the Sun" was our crowning glory. 1409 01:17:40,788 --> 01:17:44,209 # Sensurround sound in a two-inch wall # 1410 01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:47,587 # I was waiting for the communist call # 1411 01:17:47,629 --> 01:17:51,049 # I didn't ask for sunshine and I got World War Ill # 1412 01:17:51,090 --> 01:17:54,802 # I'm looking over the wall and they're looking at me # 1413 01:17:54,844 --> 01:17:57,597 # Now I got a reason, now I got a reason # 1414 01:17:57,639 --> 01:18:01,017 # Now I got a reason, and I'm still waiting # 1415 01:18:01,059 --> 01:18:04,312 # Now I got a reason, now I got a reason # 1416 01:18:04,354 --> 01:18:06,397 # To be waiting # 1417 01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,733 # The Berlin Wall # 1418 01:18:21,996 --> 01:18:25,124 Huddersfield, I remember very fondly. 1419 01:18:25,166 --> 01:18:27,919 Two concerts, a matinee, 1420 01:18:27,961 --> 01:18:31,272 with children throwing pies at me, 1421 01:18:31,297 --> 01:18:35,426 and later on that night, striking union members. 1422 01:18:35,468 --> 01:18:37,929 It was heaven. 1423 01:18:37,971 --> 01:18:40,640 He wants dad back at work, 1424 01:18:40,682 --> 01:18:43,643 which I think is a very good idea, indeed. 1425 01:18:43,685 --> 01:18:45,603 It was like our Christmas party, really. 1426 01:18:45,645 --> 01:18:47,897 I remember everyone being really relaxed that day. 1427 01:18:47,939 --> 01:18:50,108 Everyone was getting on really well, 1428 01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:52,193 and everyone was in such a great mood. 1429 01:18:52,235 --> 01:18:54,445 'Cause it was a benefit for the kids 1430 01:18:54,487 --> 01:18:56,906 of firemen who were on strike around that time, 1431 01:18:56,948 --> 01:18:59,075 and who'd been on strike for a long time. 1432 01:18:59,117 --> 01:19:01,369 And I've written to Santa Claus today, 1433 01:19:01,411 --> 01:19:03,580 and I have got you a skateboard. 1434 01:19:03,621 --> 01:19:05,832 Lot of love in the house, 1435 01:19:05,873 --> 01:19:09,043 and Sid was great that day. 1436 01:19:09,085 --> 01:19:12,964 Everything about it was just wonderful. 1437 01:19:14,716 --> 01:19:18,720 Okay, gang, this party is given to you absolutely free 1438 01:19:18,761 --> 01:19:21,639 and at the expense of the Sex Pistols, 1439 01:19:21,681 --> 01:19:23,558 so let's have a big cheer for the Sex Pistols. 1440 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,934 Come on, let's hear you! 1441 01:19:42,243 --> 01:19:45,163 # She was a girl from Birmingham # 1442 01:19:45,204 --> 01:19:48,249 # She just had an abortion # 1443 01:19:48,291 --> 01:19:51,519 # She was a case of insanity # 1444 01:19:51,544 --> 01:19:54,797 # Her name was Pauline, she lived in a tree # 1445 01:19:54,839 --> 01:19:57,800 # She was a no one who killed her baby # 1446 01:19:57,842 --> 01:20:01,095 # She sent her letter from the country # 1447 01:20:01,137 --> 01:20:03,848 # She was an animal # 1448 01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:06,934 # She was a bloody disgrace # 1449 01:20:06,976 --> 01:20:09,704 # Body # 1450 01:20:09,729 --> 01:20:12,190 # I'm not an animal # 1451 01:20:13,608 --> 01:20:16,486 # Body # 1452 01:20:16,527 --> 01:20:18,488 # I'm not an animal # 1453 01:20:19,864 --> 01:20:22,325 It's not a question of an Ml5 blacklist, 1454 01:20:22,367 --> 01:20:25,119 there are certain groups whom we do not regard with favor, 1455 01:20:25,161 --> 01:20:27,705 and whom I personally will do everything I can 1456 01:20:27,747 --> 01:20:30,083 within the law to prevent ever coming to London again. 1457 01:20:30,124 --> 01:20:33,086 # Fuck this and fuck that # 1458 01:20:33,127 --> 01:20:36,464 # Fuck it all and fuck the fucking brat # 1459 01:20:36,506 --> 01:20:39,759 # She don't want a baby who looks like that # 1460 01:20:39,801 --> 01:20:42,970 # I don't want a baby who looks like that # 1461 01:20:43,012 --> 01:20:45,473 # Body # 1462 01:20:45,515 --> 01:20:47,558 # I'm not an animal # 1463 01:20:49,435 --> 01:20:52,397 # Body # 1464 01:20:52,438 --> 01:20:54,273 # An unborn kid # 1465 01:20:55,775 --> 01:20:57,568 # An animal # 1466 01:20:58,820 --> 01:21:00,947 # I'm not an animal # 1467 01:21:02,198 --> 01:21:04,242 # I'm not an animal, an animal # 1468 01:21:04,283 --> 01:21:06,869 # I'm not an animal I ain't no animal # 1469 01:21:08,621 --> 01:21:10,373 # I'm not a body # 1470 01:21:11,874 --> 01:21:14,627 # I'm not an animal, an animal # 1471 01:21:14,669 --> 01:21:17,171 # I ain't no an animal I'm not an animal # 1472 01:21:17,213 --> 01:21:19,006 # I'm not an animal... # 1473 01:21:19,048 --> 01:21:20,967 # Mommy! # 1474 01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:31,769 I think that was our last gig in England. 1475 01:21:33,146 --> 01:21:35,106 - Who's this? - Sex Pistols. 1476 01:21:35,148 --> 01:21:36,441 Sid Vicious? 1477 01:21:36,482 --> 01:21:37,817 Yes. 1478 01:21:37,859 --> 01:21:40,628 This is Rodney Bingenheimer from "Rodney on the Roq" show. 1479 01:21:40,653 --> 01:21:43,781 Oh, hi, man. No future. 1480 01:21:43,823 --> 01:21:46,576 Is Johnny Rotten there? 1481 01:21:46,617 --> 01:21:49,454 - Yeah. - Hey, how are you doing? 1482 01:21:49,495 --> 01:21:51,372 I'm doing all right. 1483 01:21:51,414 --> 01:21:54,167 You'll be coming to America soon, won't you? 1484 01:21:54,208 --> 01:21:56,627 Get work, move to California. 1485 01:21:56,669 --> 01:21:59,480 - Come to California - It's the best. 1486 01:21:59,505 --> 01:22:01,632 Oh, I don't know... 1487 01:22:01,674 --> 01:22:04,218 Can you get egg and chips? 1488 01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:06,763 You can do anything you want here, man. 1489 01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:11,100 No one is repressed in L.A. 1490 01:22:11,142 --> 01:22:14,645 Oh, yes you are. Mentally repressed, dear. 1491 01:22:14,687 --> 01:22:17,398 Right... that's true. 1492 01:22:20,234 --> 01:22:22,737 This week on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert... 1493 01:22:22,779 --> 01:22:24,572 The incredible Kansas... 1494 01:22:24,614 --> 01:22:27,200 Family Funk from the Sylvers... 1495 01:22:27,241 --> 01:22:30,620 The outrageousness of the Sex Pistols. 1496 01:22:30,661 --> 01:22:33,456 Some slick dealing from Ricky Jay, 1497 01:22:33,498 --> 01:22:36,459 and funnyman Robert Aguayo. 1498 01:22:37,919 --> 01:22:39,854 We had trouble getting our visas 1499 01:22:39,879 --> 01:22:42,173 'cause we had criminal records, all of us. 1500 01:22:42,215 --> 01:22:44,717 They strip-searched us at the airport, 1501 01:22:44,759 --> 01:22:48,513 and thank god Sid was the first one they strip-searched, 1502 01:22:48,554 --> 01:22:52,183 'Cause as soon as they've seen his underwear... 1503 01:22:52,225 --> 01:22:54,352 That was it, we were safe. 1504 01:22:54,393 --> 01:22:58,231 They had no wish to play 1505 01:22:58,272 --> 01:23:01,025 with the rest of our willies after that point. 1506 01:23:01,317 --> 01:23:02,860 Across the globe 1507 01:23:02,902 --> 01:23:06,531 they achieved a notoriety in 19 languages. 1508 01:23:06,572 --> 01:23:10,535 In the city, voted "Young businessmen of the year" 1509 01:23:10,576 --> 01:23:12,370 by the Investors' Review. 1510 01:23:12,411 --> 01:23:15,164 On Fleet Street, they sold more papers 1511 01:23:15,206 --> 01:23:17,083 than the Armistice. 1512 01:23:17,124 --> 01:23:19,544 They didn't care about the music... 1513 01:23:19,585 --> 01:23:22,129 They were purely into chaos. 1514 01:23:22,171 --> 01:23:24,298 Security was tight for the arrival 1515 01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:28,052 of the infamous punk rock group known as the Sex Pistols, 1516 01:23:28,094 --> 01:23:30,763 that naughty bunch of counter-culture radicals. 1517 01:23:30,805 --> 01:23:32,765 Warner records had warned 1518 01:23:32,807 --> 01:23:35,434 that the group might attack members of the American Press, 1519 01:23:35,476 --> 01:23:37,353 but when Steve Jones, Paul Cook, 1520 01:23:37,395 --> 01:23:39,939 Johnny Rotten, and Sid Vicious arrived, 1521 01:23:39,981 --> 01:23:42,275 this is what they had to say... 1522 01:23:44,527 --> 01:23:45,945 Nothing. 1523 01:23:46,404 --> 01:23:48,281 Well, coming to America... 1524 01:23:48,322 --> 01:23:50,867 was definitely a strange experience. 1525 01:23:50,908 --> 01:23:53,870 Ow-ww! Fucking kick me in the fucking balls? 1526 01:23:53,911 --> 01:23:55,580 We had, like, these bodyguards... 1527 01:23:55,621 --> 01:23:57,248 With walkie-talkies, and that... 1528 01:23:57,290 --> 01:24:00,543 Continually followed by, like, FBI 1529 01:24:00,585 --> 01:24:03,880 and fucking CIA, and 50 journalists. 1530 01:24:03,921 --> 01:24:05,882 It was kinda scary. 1531 01:24:05,923 --> 01:24:09,110 And here they are... At least two of them... 1532 01:24:09,135 --> 01:24:11,095 In a hotel room in Atlanta, 1533 01:24:11,137 --> 01:24:13,848 waiting for the other two to do a promised interview. 1534 01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:15,641 But they're in a strange mood... 1535 01:24:15,683 --> 01:24:19,103 Flaky... demanding they be paid ten bucks 1536 01:24:19,145 --> 01:24:22,481 before they'll do any "bleep-bleep" interview. 1537 01:24:22,523 --> 01:24:24,692 Denied that, they stomp off. 1538 01:24:24,734 --> 01:24:26,986 "Bleep," they say. 1539 01:24:28,154 --> 01:24:31,198 When the four young men left, their spit was on the carpet, 1540 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,783 their butts on the floor. 1541 01:24:32,825 --> 01:24:35,369 The dregs of an afternoon's beer and booze, 1542 01:24:35,411 --> 01:24:38,748 and a couple of empty boxes of Clearasil. 1543 01:24:38,789 --> 01:24:42,752 They left the hotel to go to a sex devices store, 1544 01:24:42,793 --> 01:24:46,130 and then to their first concert in America. 1545 01:24:50,676 --> 01:24:54,555 We didn't come from America, we didn't understand America, 1546 01:24:54,597 --> 01:24:56,991 so how the fuck could they understand us? 1547 01:24:57,016 --> 01:24:59,518 Okay, all you cowboys. 1548 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,145 You faggots! 1549 01:25:01,187 --> 01:25:05,833 And I said, "You fucking motherfucking faggot cowboys." 1550 01:25:05,858 --> 01:25:09,195 They were throwing a rain of bottles and beer cans, 1551 01:25:09,236 --> 01:25:11,656 and pigs' noses, and fuck knows what. 1552 01:25:11,697 --> 01:25:13,658 Anarchy in... 1553 01:25:13,699 --> 01:25:16,010 I got a full can of beer smashed right on my lip. 1554 01:25:16,035 --> 01:25:17,411 The U-S of A. 1555 01:25:17,453 --> 01:25:20,414 Fucking big fat lip with blood dripping down it. 1556 01:25:20,456 --> 01:25:22,850 The gigs were pretty frightening, 1557 01:25:22,875 --> 01:25:25,586 'cause of all the publicity that had preceded us. 1558 01:25:25,628 --> 01:25:27,880 People were coming there just to see this freak show. 1559 01:25:27,922 --> 01:25:30,132 They thought we were gonna be sick on stage, 1560 01:25:30,174 --> 01:25:32,360 crap on stage, beat each other up, 1561 01:25:32,385 --> 01:25:34,929 kill each other... Well, it was partly true. 1562 01:25:36,013 --> 01:25:38,557 # I am an antichrist # 1563 01:25:38,599 --> 01:25:41,894 # I am an anarchist... # 1564 01:25:42,895 --> 01:25:44,897 Then Sid started beating himself, 1565 01:25:44,939 --> 01:25:49,318 cutting himself on stage, and totally being out to lunch. 1566 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,570 # L... # 1567 01:25:51,612 --> 01:25:54,323 # Wanna be # 1568 01:25:54,365 --> 01:25:56,867 Birds were better looking in America, that's for sure. 1569 01:25:56,909 --> 01:25:58,719 I really enjoyed that part of it, 1570 01:25:58,744 --> 01:26:00,121 and they knew how to suck dick. 1571 01:26:00,162 --> 01:26:02,373 They learn at an early age here. 1572 01:26:03,541 --> 01:26:06,085 Sid loved the Pistols... 1573 01:26:06,127 --> 01:26:08,087 As a fan... 1574 01:26:08,129 --> 01:26:11,966 but being on stage with us, he couldn't cope. 1575 01:26:12,008 --> 01:26:13,901 He wasn't being himself anymore, 1576 01:26:13,926 --> 01:26:15,970 he was trying to be Johnny Rotten... 1577 01:26:16,012 --> 01:26:18,139 with the drugs. 1578 01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:21,225 And that showed, I think, to my mind, very bad. 1579 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,565 The fucking Texas patrolmen took me... 1580 01:26:27,648 --> 01:26:29,917 and threw me out the door. 1581 01:26:29,942 --> 01:26:31,669 And they have the authority 'cause they have a badge, 1582 01:26:31,694 --> 01:26:33,529 and they have a fucking billy club and a gun. 1583 01:26:37,533 --> 01:26:40,244 Malcolm, he liked the idea of Sid being outrageous, 1584 01:26:40,286 --> 01:26:42,872 however much it fucked things up for the band. 1585 01:26:42,913 --> 01:26:45,958 I think he encouraged him. I remember Sid saying once... 1586 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,436 "He could never be outrageous enough." 1587 01:26:48,461 --> 01:26:50,421 And Malcolm's going, "Yes, yes, I agree." 1588 01:26:50,463 --> 01:26:52,757 "You can go mad, go all the way." 1589 01:26:54,133 --> 01:26:56,761 It says to me that I should do what I wanna do, you know? 1590 01:26:56,802 --> 01:26:59,055 And just fuck everybody else. 1591 01:26:59,096 --> 01:27:01,390 Just fuck everybody else, you know? Just fuck 'em. 1592 01:27:04,477 --> 01:27:06,395 They moved me, they made me shake 1593 01:27:06,437 --> 01:27:08,272 more than I've ever shook before, 1594 01:27:08,314 --> 01:27:10,524 and that's what... what makes them the best. 1595 01:27:15,321 --> 01:27:16,989 I think I heard one time that they... 1596 01:27:17,031 --> 01:27:18,299 urinated on the audience one time. 1597 01:27:18,324 --> 01:27:20,034 Why, I don't know. It just sounds goofy. 1598 01:27:20,076 --> 01:27:22,411 - Get outta here! - What are they saying? 1599 01:27:22,453 --> 01:27:24,246 Get outta here! 1600 01:27:24,288 --> 01:27:26,916 It's better than homework. 1601 01:27:26,957 --> 01:27:29,085 Get the fuck outta here! 1602 01:27:31,545 --> 01:27:33,422 You faggot fucker! 1603 01:27:36,467 --> 01:27:40,321 Yeah, the guy fucking tried to climb up on stage 1604 01:27:40,346 --> 01:27:42,264 and fucking attack me, 1605 01:27:42,306 --> 01:27:45,601 so I smashed his fucking brains in with my guitar. 1606 01:27:45,643 --> 01:27:48,020 He knew that I meant physical harm, 1607 01:27:48,062 --> 01:27:50,356 and I have to say I was ugly about it. 1608 01:27:50,397 --> 01:27:53,025 But he came out and hit us over the head with the bass. 1609 01:27:53,067 --> 01:27:54,860 They were great. 1610 01:27:54,902 --> 01:27:57,613 If I could only make out the words, they'd be greater. 1611 01:27:57,655 --> 01:28:00,074 That was my first time in America. 1612 01:28:00,116 --> 01:28:04,036 Sid would sit next to me, and we'd look out the window, 1613 01:28:04,078 --> 01:28:08,332 and we'd stare at that endless scenery, 1614 01:28:08,374 --> 01:28:11,127 and imagine John Wayne and the Indians. 1615 01:28:11,168 --> 01:28:14,630 You wouldn't sleep. You wouldn't want to, 1616 01:28:14,672 --> 01:28:17,800 because it was so first time. 1617 01:28:26,684 --> 01:28:31,372 Steve and Paul flew around America with Malcolm. 1618 01:28:31,397 --> 01:28:33,482 Steven, what kind of badge you got? 1619 01:28:33,524 --> 01:28:35,526 I don't know. Safety department. 1620 01:28:35,568 --> 01:28:37,403 Safety department. That's very good. 1621 01:28:37,444 --> 01:28:39,405 Say goodbye. Say goodbye. 1622 01:28:39,446 --> 01:28:41,740 They didn't want to be on the tour bus, 1623 01:28:41,782 --> 01:28:46,787 'cause they were "really bored with that reggae, man." 1624 01:28:47,955 --> 01:28:50,374 Steve and Paul are a pair of sheep. 1625 01:28:51,625 --> 01:28:54,211 They do what Malcolm says. 1626 01:28:54,253 --> 01:28:56,547 Sid was just looking for smack, 1627 01:28:56,589 --> 01:28:59,425 and being an idiot. Rotten got into his ego... 1628 01:28:59,466 --> 01:29:02,553 it just got really depressing, really quick. 1629 01:29:02,595 --> 01:29:05,431 But the point is, Sid's my mate, 1630 01:29:05,472 --> 01:29:08,058 and I don't want him to be a junkie. 1631 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:10,394 This is why we traveled on the bus, 1632 01:29:10,436 --> 01:29:13,147 this is why Sid was to stick with me, 1633 01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:14,957 and like, the others just didn't understand. 1634 01:29:14,982 --> 01:29:18,152 They thought, "Oh, you can handle it, man." 1635 01:29:18,194 --> 01:29:20,362 But, like, dope sickness isn't like that. 1636 01:29:20,404 --> 01:29:22,615 It's not something that you can just blow away. 1637 01:29:22,656 --> 01:29:25,534 It's the worst sickness you could ever imagine. 1638 01:29:25,576 --> 01:29:29,079 He was far too young for that shit, 1639 01:29:29,121 --> 01:29:32,625 and un-American for that shit. 1640 01:29:32,666 --> 01:29:36,212 I can drink, and I can drink a druggie 1641 01:29:36,253 --> 01:29:38,297 out of being a druggie. 1642 01:29:38,339 --> 01:29:41,300 And I will do that for my friends, 1643 01:29:41,342 --> 01:29:44,178 every time, any time. 1644 01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:47,014 You can't get comfortable, and you sweat... 1645 01:29:47,056 --> 01:29:50,226 and you're boiling hot and you pour with sweat. 1646 01:29:50,267 --> 01:29:52,519 And your nose dribbles and... 1647 01:29:52,561 --> 01:29:54,788 and all of a sudden you get the colds, 1648 01:29:54,813 --> 01:29:56,982 and the sweat turns to fucking ice on you, 1649 01:29:57,024 --> 01:29:59,026 and you put a jumper on. 1650 01:29:59,068 --> 01:30:01,128 Then you're boiling hot again, and you take it off, and, like, 1651 01:30:01,153 --> 01:30:04,031 you get cold again and, like, you just can't win. 1652 01:30:04,073 --> 01:30:06,467 And you lie down, and that's not comfortable, 1653 01:30:06,492 --> 01:30:08,677 you sit up, that's not comfortable. It drives you insane. 1654 01:30:08,702 --> 01:30:10,971 I despise Sid for it, 1655 01:30:10,996 --> 01:30:15,668 and I'll despise anyone for messing with it ever since. 1656 01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:22,007 It is the only drug that really cancels out all creativity. 1657 01:30:22,049 --> 01:30:24,485 It is about self-pity. 1658 01:30:24,510 --> 01:30:29,014 It is the lowest, worst form of life. 1659 01:30:31,183 --> 01:30:33,352 Well, he wasn't even playing at the end. 1660 01:30:33,394 --> 01:30:35,479 You know, he could barely play it anyway. 1661 01:30:35,521 --> 01:30:37,164 Half the time he wasn't even plugged in. 1662 01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:38,857 It was like a joke. It was like... 1663 01:30:38,899 --> 01:30:40,567 "What the fuck am I up here for? 1664 01:30:40,609 --> 01:30:44,113 What am I doing with this fucking, like, kind of circus?" 1665 01:30:44,154 --> 01:30:45,864 I just didn't want any part of it. 1666 01:30:45,906 --> 01:30:48,659 In the end, like, I was the only one 1667 01:30:48,701 --> 01:30:50,452 who had any anarchy left in me. 1668 01:30:50,494 --> 01:30:52,830 The rest of the band, they couldn't fucking take it. 1669 01:30:52,871 --> 01:30:57,084 And then we got to, like... Like I said, San Francisco, 1670 01:30:57,126 --> 01:31:00,020 and Malcolm's in town, 1671 01:31:00,045 --> 01:31:01,855 and Sid goes off with Malcolm, 1672 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,342 suddenly Sid comes back smacked up. 1673 01:31:07,219 --> 01:31:09,054 Winterland... The final countdown. 1674 01:31:09,096 --> 01:31:12,141 It wasn't a rock and roll party. 1675 01:31:12,182 --> 01:31:14,059 It was more like a dying horse 1676 01:31:14,101 --> 01:31:16,645 that needed putting out of its misery. 1677 01:31:17,688 --> 01:31:20,065 But Malcolm saw it more as a media circus. 1678 01:31:20,107 --> 01:31:22,359 He didn't realize what a great band we were. 1679 01:31:22,401 --> 01:31:24,903 This is KSAM in San Francisco, 1680 01:31:24,945 --> 01:31:27,906 with the Sex Pistols, live from Winterland. 1681 01:31:29,408 --> 01:31:32,720 Throughout the show, people were hurling things at them. 1682 01:31:32,745 --> 01:31:35,497 From all over... From above, from the sides, 1683 01:31:35,539 --> 01:31:37,541 from right down below... And there were people 1684 01:31:37,583 --> 01:31:40,210 jumping up on stage and being carried off. 1685 01:31:40,252 --> 01:31:41,879 The stage is... 1686 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,756 Here they come. 1687 01:31:46,008 --> 01:31:49,737 It's not really impossible in San Francisco 1688 01:31:49,762 --> 01:31:52,890 to have monitors that work. 1689 01:31:52,931 --> 01:31:54,308 Is it? 1690 01:31:54,350 --> 01:31:57,269 Is it impossible to have a sound check? 1691 01:31:57,311 --> 01:31:58,896 No. 1692 01:31:58,937 --> 01:32:01,231 Here's the encore of the Sex Pistols. 1693 01:32:02,441 --> 01:32:05,569 Malcolm would set it up to look ridiculous. 1694 01:32:05,611 --> 01:32:07,279 We were all cheated... 1695 01:32:07,321 --> 01:32:10,824 Audience... and lead singer alike. 1696 01:32:12,493 --> 01:32:15,037 You'll get one number and one number only, 1697 01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:17,039 'cause I'm a lazy bastard. 1698 01:32:17,081 --> 01:32:20,334 You have to understand, they stayed in a very nice hotel. 1699 01:32:20,376 --> 01:32:22,211 This is "no fun." 1700 01:32:22,252 --> 01:32:26,173 Me and Sid were not allowed in that very nice hotel. 1701 01:32:26,215 --> 01:32:30,386 We had to stay with the road crew in a motel. 1702 01:32:30,427 --> 01:32:34,782 The sheer lack of respect... for Malcolm... 1703 01:32:34,807 --> 01:32:37,284 And him not returning a call... 1704 01:32:37,309 --> 01:32:39,520 That was it for me. 1705 01:32:43,107 --> 01:32:45,292 It wasn't connived at all. 1706 01:32:45,317 --> 01:32:47,027 We got to our hotel and booked in. 1707 01:32:47,069 --> 01:32:49,530 I wasn't aware that he didn't get a room there. 1708 01:32:49,571 --> 01:32:51,782 So he ended up staying somewhere else. 1709 01:32:53,951 --> 01:32:57,371 # No fun, my babe # 1710 01:32:57,413 --> 01:32:59,640 # No fun # 1711 01:32:59,665 --> 01:33:02,292 Malcolm was fucking with me. 1712 01:33:02,334 --> 01:33:06,713 I had no credit card, and no money, no ticket. 1713 01:33:08,048 --> 01:33:09,633 He was trying to wreck 1714 01:33:09,675 --> 01:33:13,011 the very thing that made the Sex Pistols great, 1715 01:33:13,053 --> 01:33:15,597 and he managed to achieve it that night. 1716 01:33:15,639 --> 01:33:18,642 # ...fun to be alone # 1717 01:33:18,684 --> 01:33:20,994 # In love # 1718 01:33:21,019 --> 01:33:23,856 # With nobody else # 1719 01:33:25,274 --> 01:33:27,234 John came over, and we tried to have 1720 01:33:27,276 --> 01:33:29,486 a "clear the air" talk, and we said to him, 1721 01:33:29,528 --> 01:33:31,738 "l don't wanna carry on, really much longer 1722 01:33:31,780 --> 01:33:34,491 the way this is going. It's, like, just totally pointless. 1723 01:33:34,533 --> 01:33:36,343 Someone's gonna get killed, you know?" 1724 01:33:36,368 --> 01:33:38,846 John said he thought the problem was Malcolm, 1725 01:33:38,871 --> 01:33:41,498 and we should get rid of Malcolm and carry on, 1726 01:33:41,540 --> 01:33:43,500 and try and work it out that way. 1727 01:33:43,542 --> 01:33:46,753 # Fun to be alone # 1728 01:33:46,795 --> 01:33:50,424 # Walkin' by myself # 1729 01:33:50,466 --> 01:33:53,677 # Fun to be alone # 1730 01:33:53,719 --> 01:33:56,138 # In love # 1731 01:33:56,180 --> 01:33:58,849 # With nobody else # 1732 01:33:58,891 --> 01:34:00,350 I didn't really hang out with John. 1733 01:34:00,392 --> 01:34:03,187 He was always draining to me. Took up a lot of energy. 1734 01:34:03,228 --> 01:34:07,149 Malcolm I got along with, so I kinda went on to McLaren's side. 1735 01:34:07,191 --> 01:34:09,067 Another thing I regret. 1736 01:34:09,109 --> 01:34:11,545 # Maybe call somebody on the telephone # 1737 01:34:11,570 --> 01:34:14,323 # Well come on, my babe # 1738 01:34:14,364 --> 01:34:16,492 # Come on # 1739 01:34:20,078 --> 01:34:22,664 I'd have dropped Sid in a second 1740 01:34:22,706 --> 01:34:25,125 at that particular point for the band, 1741 01:34:25,167 --> 01:34:27,294 because I knew he was fucking up. 1742 01:34:27,336 --> 01:34:28,729 # No fun... # 1743 01:34:28,754 --> 01:34:30,063 That's a load of cobblers. 1744 01:34:30,088 --> 01:34:32,382 I was just playing bass, and going crazy, 1745 01:34:32,424 --> 01:34:34,401 and leaping up and down. And he thought I was trying 1746 01:34:34,426 --> 01:34:38,430 to take over his position as the "New Johnny Rotten." 1747 01:34:38,472 --> 01:34:40,140 # No fun # 1748 01:34:42,184 --> 01:34:43,310 # No fun # 1749 01:34:43,352 --> 01:34:45,479 I don't wanna be a junkie for the rest of my life. 1750 01:34:45,521 --> 01:34:48,023 I don't wanna be a junkie at all. 1751 01:34:52,694 --> 01:34:55,614 I knew the second Sid would smack himself up again 1752 01:34:55,656 --> 01:34:57,908 that was the end. 1753 01:34:59,826 --> 01:35:02,871 # No... no fun # 1754 01:35:02,913 --> 01:35:05,098 # No fun # 1755 01:35:05,123 --> 01:35:08,502 # Alone... no fun # 1756 01:35:08,544 --> 01:35:09,770 # By myself, it's no fun... # 1757 01:35:09,795 --> 01:35:11,922 I was the one who said "I've had enough." 1758 01:35:11,964 --> 01:35:13,382 I couldn't handle it any more. 1759 01:35:13,423 --> 01:35:16,426 I didn't want nothing to do with Rotten and Vicious. 1760 01:35:17,469 --> 01:35:20,472 Oh, bollocks, why should I carry on? 1761 01:35:20,514 --> 01:35:23,725 I regret saying that I wanted out, and leaving. 1762 01:35:23,767 --> 01:35:25,978 I regret it, I really do. 1763 01:35:26,019 --> 01:35:29,690 And I apologized to John that I fucking bailed. 1764 01:35:29,731 --> 01:35:31,942 # No fun # 1765 01:35:31,984 --> 01:35:35,445 We might have continued if we'd have got rid of Malcolm. 1766 01:35:36,488 --> 01:35:38,782 # No fun... # 1767 01:35:38,824 --> 01:35:40,784 But that's just the way I felt. 1768 01:35:40,826 --> 01:35:43,579 And I couldn't get away from my feelings at the time. 1769 01:35:46,206 --> 01:35:48,292 I knew it had to end. 1770 01:35:48,333 --> 01:35:50,335 I didn't think it would end... 1771 01:35:50,377 --> 01:35:54,214 with them being total wanker cowards. 1772 01:35:57,384 --> 01:36:00,512 Steve and Paul fannied out on me. 1773 01:36:03,223 --> 01:36:06,310 The last show was the worst show I think we've ever played. 1774 01:36:06,351 --> 01:36:08,812 It was just like, this ain't going nowhere. 1775 01:36:08,854 --> 01:36:12,065 This ain't going anywhere, it's fucking over. 1776 01:36:13,567 --> 01:36:15,986 Cookie agreed, and we just fucked off. 1777 01:36:24,578 --> 01:36:26,496 The night the group split up, 1778 01:36:26,538 --> 01:36:29,207 Vicious was pulled off a plane at Kennedy Airport, 1779 01:36:29,249 --> 01:36:31,585 the victim of a drug overdose. 1780 01:36:32,544 --> 01:36:35,255 Despite all the hassles, what was it that you thought 1781 01:36:35,297 --> 01:36:37,215 the Pistols were really trying to do? 1782 01:36:37,257 --> 01:36:39,926 Was it just like really kick the establishment up the arse? 1783 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,388 Sid? 1784 01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:47,559 Sid, he's not interviewing me. Please try and wake up. 1785 01:36:47,601 --> 01:36:49,603 Ow-ww! 1786 01:36:51,855 --> 01:36:54,524 Sid, damn you! 1787 01:36:56,401 --> 01:36:58,236 Fuck. 1788 01:37:01,365 --> 01:37:03,867 Everybody was for Sid... I mean, Sid was like... 1789 01:37:03,909 --> 01:37:06,119 I don't know if you saw any of the gigs, 1790 01:37:06,161 --> 01:37:09,056 but Sid was like, really shining out. 1791 01:37:09,081 --> 01:37:11,917 And John was being like, nothing. 1792 01:37:14,086 --> 01:37:16,963 The only people... the only two people that I can think of... 1793 01:37:17,005 --> 01:37:20,008 that I would like to play with... 1794 01:37:26,556 --> 01:37:28,600 Sid...? 1795 01:37:28,642 --> 01:37:30,477 Oh, my God... 1796 01:37:30,519 --> 01:37:35,357 I feel nothing but grief, sorrow and sadness for Sid. 1797 01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:37,234 To the point, like, 1798 01:37:37,275 --> 01:37:39,528 if I really like, talk about it, 1799 01:37:39,569 --> 01:37:41,738 I just fucking burst out in tears. 1800 01:37:41,780 --> 01:37:44,241 He was someone I really cared for. 1801 01:37:44,282 --> 01:37:47,703 You see? He's one of the Johns. 1802 01:37:47,744 --> 01:37:50,789 I care about every single one of the Johns. 1803 01:37:50,831 --> 01:37:53,417 The gang of Johns should have been the band. 1804 01:37:53,458 --> 01:37:56,461 - Wake up, Sid. - Yeah, okay. I'm waking up. 1805 01:37:56,503 --> 01:37:58,213 Now what's the next question? 1806 01:37:58,255 --> 01:38:00,799 I can't be more honest than that. 1807 01:38:00,841 --> 01:38:03,510 Don't drop it on me again. 1808 01:38:28,285 --> 01:38:31,471 Well, the room was... very bloody. 1809 01:38:31,496 --> 01:38:34,307 There was blood on the sheets, and blood on the mattress 1810 01:38:34,332 --> 01:38:37,085 there was tracks of blood leading into the bathroom, 1811 01:38:37,127 --> 01:38:40,797 where the body of the female was found lying under the sink. 1812 01:38:40,839 --> 01:38:43,175 She was stabbed in the stomach. 1813 01:38:49,681 --> 01:38:52,058 The whole thing lasted no more than three minutes, 1814 01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:54,478 and out they went. Vicious made no attempt 1815 01:38:54,519 --> 01:38:56,855 to duck the cameras waiting outside the courtroom, 1816 01:38:56,897 --> 01:39:00,108 but he refused to respond to any of the reporters' questions, 1817 01:39:00,150 --> 01:39:02,611 and shoved persistent microphones out of his path. 1818 01:39:02,652 --> 01:39:06,406 The grand jury will decide whether or not to indict Vicious for murder. 1819 01:39:06,448 --> 01:39:10,202 If indicted, the case moves to the Supreme Court for further action. 1820 01:39:10,243 --> 01:39:12,329 Vicious was ordered to Ryker's Island. 1821 01:39:12,370 --> 01:39:14,706 If convicted of the stabbing death of Miss Spungen, 1822 01:39:14,748 --> 01:39:17,417 Vicious faces 1 5 years to life in prison. 1823 01:39:17,459 --> 01:39:20,003 # No fun... # 1824 01:39:20,045 --> 01:39:23,023 Are you having fun at the moment? 1825 01:39:23,048 --> 01:39:24,758 Are you kidding? 1826 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,552 No, I'm not having fun at all. 1827 01:39:30,347 --> 01:39:32,432 Where would you like to be? 1828 01:39:33,725 --> 01:39:35,727 Under the ground. 1829 01:39:37,103 --> 01:39:38,814 Are you serious? 1830 01:39:38,855 --> 01:39:40,565 Oh, yeah. 1831 01:39:53,495 --> 01:39:56,164 I've lost my friend. 1832 01:39:56,206 --> 01:39:59,876 I couldn't have changed it. I was too young. 1833 01:39:59,918 --> 01:40:02,462 God, I wish I was smarter. 1834 01:40:02,504 --> 01:40:05,590 You can look back on it, and go, 1835 01:40:05,632 --> 01:40:08,510 "l could have done something." 1836 01:40:08,552 --> 01:40:11,638 He died, for fuck's sake. 1837 01:40:14,307 --> 01:40:18,687 They just turned it into making money. 1838 01:40:18,728 --> 01:40:21,106 "Ha, ha, ha, ha..." 1839 01:40:21,147 --> 01:40:23,984 How hilarious for them. 1840 01:40:24,025 --> 01:40:25,861 Fucking cheek. 1841 01:40:25,902 --> 01:40:29,447 I'll hate them forever for doing that. 1842 01:40:34,953 --> 01:40:39,374 You can't get more evil than that. Can you, Julien? You know? 1843 01:40:42,002 --> 01:40:44,337 No respect. 1844 01:40:44,379 --> 01:40:47,173 Vicious... poor sod. 1845 01:40:53,305 --> 01:40:55,682 # No fun... # 1846 01:40:56,975 --> 01:40:59,019 # No fun! # 1847 01:40:59,060 --> 01:41:02,522 # No fun... no fun # 1848 01:41:02,564 --> 01:41:05,066 # No fun... # 1849 01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,739 # No fun... my babe # 1850 01:41:10,780 --> 01:41:12,991 # No fun # 1851 01:41:14,784 --> 01:41:18,138 # Fun to be alone # 1852 01:41:18,163 --> 01:41:21,708 # Walkin' by myself # 1853 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:24,794 # Fun to be alone # 1854 01:41:24,836 --> 01:41:26,838 # In love... # 1855 01:41:27,839 --> 01:41:31,301 And I said, "You fucking motherfucking faggot cowboys, 1856 01:41:31,343 --> 01:41:34,154 you can throw any fucking thing in the world at us, 1857 01:41:34,179 --> 01:41:36,222 and you won't get us off this stage." 1858 01:41:36,264 --> 01:41:39,309 # Maybe goin' out maybe stay at home # 1859 01:41:39,351 --> 01:41:42,270 # Maybe call somebody on the telephone # 1860 01:41:42,312 --> 01:41:44,522 # Come on # 1861 01:41:44,564 --> 01:41:46,650 # No fun # 1862 01:41:53,573 --> 01:41:55,992 We gave it fucking 200 percent 1863 01:41:56,034 --> 01:41:58,286 for, like two years, and that was it. 1864 01:41:58,328 --> 01:41:59,829 I think we run out of steam. 1865 01:41:59,871 --> 01:42:01,957 You dirty fucker. 1866 01:42:01,998 --> 01:42:03,708 I loved being a Sex Pistol. 1867 01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:06,127 I'll always be a Sex Pistol. 1868 01:42:06,169 --> 01:42:08,254 But at least, you know, when I die 1869 01:42:08,296 --> 01:42:10,298 at least I can say I've done something. 1870 01:42:10,340 --> 01:42:12,050 # No fun... # 1871 01:42:12,092 --> 01:42:15,345 Press the self-destruct button, and start again. 1872 01:42:15,387 --> 01:42:17,097 Which is what it was all about. 1873 01:42:20,850 --> 01:42:22,535 # No fun... # 1874 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,232 So creating something called the Sex Pistols 1875 01:42:27,273 --> 01:42:30,543 was my painting, my sculpture, 1876 01:42:30,568 --> 01:42:33,446 my little artful dodgers. 1877 01:42:34,572 --> 01:42:37,242 Are you still waffling, Malcolm? 1878 01:42:38,576 --> 01:42:40,286 The Sex Pistols ended 1879 01:42:40,328 --> 01:42:44,057 at exactly the right time for all the wrong reasons, 1880 01:42:44,082 --> 01:42:47,419 but the wrong reasons were continued, 1881 01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:50,964 and people continued to perpetrate lies... 1882 01:42:51,006 --> 01:42:52,799 About a reality. 1883 01:42:58,847 --> 01:43:00,390 Ah, ha, ha... 1884 01:43:00,432 --> 01:43:03,243 Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? 1885 01:43:03,268 --> 01:43:05,103 Goodnight. 1886 01:43:12,527 --> 01:43:14,487 We did what we had to do... 1887 01:43:14,529 --> 01:43:16,656 and that's why we didn't survive. 1888 01:43:16,698 --> 01:43:19,909 Only the fakes survive. 1889 01:43:19,951 --> 01:43:22,996 All I want is for future generations 1890 01:43:23,038 --> 01:43:26,041 to just go, "Fuck it, I've had enough, 1891 01:43:26,082 --> 01:43:28,126 here's the truth." 1892 01:43:30,211 --> 01:43:32,605 Infamy, infamy! 1893 01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:34,966 They've all got it in for me. 1894 01:43:52,233 --> 01:43:56,696 # I'm on a submarine mission for you, baby # 1895 01:43:56,738 --> 01:44:00,967 # I feel the way you were goin' # 1896 01:44:00,992 --> 01:44:04,746 # Picked you up on my TV screen # 1897 01:44:04,788 --> 01:44:08,666 # Feel your undercurrent flowing # 1898 01:44:27,936 --> 01:44:31,831 # You've got me pretty deep, baby # 1899 01:44:31,856 --> 01:44:35,860 # I can't figure out your watery love # 1900 01:44:35,902 --> 01:44:39,739 # I gotta solve your mystery # 1901 01:44:39,781 --> 01:44:43,409 # You're sitting it out in heaven above # 1902 01:44:43,451 --> 01:44:47,413 # Submission # 1903 01:44:47,455 --> 01:44:51,209 # Goin' down, down draggin' me down # 1904 01:44:51,251 --> 01:44:55,255 # Submission # 1905 01:44:55,296 --> 01:44:59,968 # I can't tell ya what I've found # 1906 01:45:04,097 --> 01:45:06,641 # The mystery # 1907 01:45:08,393 --> 01:45:11,020 # Under the water # 1908 01:45:14,065 --> 01:45:17,235 # In the sea # 1909 01:45:37,380 --> 01:45:41,259 # Submission # 1910 01:45:41,301 --> 01:45:45,263 # Goin' down, down draggin' me down # 1911 01:45:45,305 --> 01:45:48,933 # Submission # 1912 01:45:48,975 --> 01:45:53,104 I wanna drown... # I can't tell ya what I've found # 1913 01:45:58,568 --> 01:46:01,696 # In the water # 1914 01:46:04,365 --> 01:46:07,535 # In the sea # 1915 01:46:16,169 --> 01:46:20,798 # A submarine mission for you, baby # 1916 01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,552 # Feel the way you were goin' # 1917 01:46:24,594 --> 01:46:28,640 # Picked you up on my TV screen # 1918 01:46:28,681 --> 01:46:32,268 # Feel your undercurrent flowing # 1919 01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:35,939 # Submission # 1920 01:46:35,980 --> 01:46:40,068 # I'm goin down, down draggin' me down # 1921 01:46:40,109 --> 01:46:44,072 # Submission # 1922 01:46:44,113 --> 01:46:48,284 # I can't tell ya what I've found # 1923 01:46:59,170 --> 01:47:05,260 # Sub - miss - ion # 1924 01:47:11,015 --> 01:47:15,728 # Sub - miss - ion # 1925 01:47:18,773 --> 01:47:24,070 # Sub - miss - ion # 149406

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