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Someone came up to me and said,
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"When you fell through the bar,
was it an accident?"
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"Did you mean to do it?"
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There are hundreds of feet
of film of us just laughing —
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trying to get the dialogue out.
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Ray said, "This chandelier we
are about to drop cost £6,000,
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"and if you laugh, I'LL fire you."
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(DIRTY LAUGH)
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I think I can sum up the formula
for its success in four words —
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John Sullivan, John Sullivan.
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(DAVID JASON) From this
very, very quiet, ordinary guy
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comes this amazing comedy.
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He's had no formal education.
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To produce out of his head what he produces...
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it does make you think it's a bit spooky.
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# My name is Ginger,
I'm getting so much stick
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# 'Cause of my banger
1 need to get rid of it
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# If you's a drinker,
then get drunk I insist
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# If you's a raver
then please bubble to this... #
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My father was a very funny man.
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The whole family were great comedians.
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Very Irish — a mixture of Irish and English.
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My father's family come
from Cork, my mother's from Kent.
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Every Christmas and birthday
was hilarious.
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The street I lived in
was full of characters.
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Anywhere you go in the country —
Newcastle, Liverpool —
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when you get these ghetto—type streets,
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you do get these wonderful
characters and incidents.
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You don't realise how colourful they are
ill you move out.
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and realise the rest of the city's boring.
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So I had the comedy all around me.
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As a kid, coming down Monday
morning to go to school...
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and the living room's filled
with a fog of cigarette smoke
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and six men playing poker.
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They'd been playing
since Sunday night all night.
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My dad was this great gambling man.
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It wasn't anything that
shocked you. That was life.
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How many?
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Un, deux, trois, quatre.
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Four?!
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1 had a very good teacher —
Jim Trowers. Brilliant man.
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He excelled at understanding —
understanding the characters.
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In particular, I taught them Dickens.
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1 taught the characters by acting them.
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For example, I would use an accent —
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"Barkis be willing, my lad!" —
which they enjoyed.
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He was a good enough teacher
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to understand all these difficult sentences
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and then explain
what the man was saying,
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so you could get into the flow
of Charles Dickens.
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And he was a very funny writer.
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Not many people realise how funny he is.
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1 fell in love with his work
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because he was the first
serious classic writer
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who wrote about an area I knew —
a London I understood.
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He also wrote about poverty.
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1 enjoyed writing at school
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We used to do these
compositions — not essays —
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and I used to do well at them.
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A little while after I met him,
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I gave him an essay to write —
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I gave the whole class an essay —
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and it was one of those usual things
that a teacher does.
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I said, "You have the Epsom races.
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"Write me a short piece from any aspect at all
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"Perhaps a bookie or someone laying a bet."
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And they all did this, except John Sullivan.
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He wrote it as though he were
one of the horses in the race,
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which I found fascinating.
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It showed incredible
inventiveness at the time.
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English, history and football, basically,
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were the only things I liked at school.
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Other than that, I hated every minute of it.
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So I had that love of writing even then.
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When I left, I took that with me.
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1 think I really wanted
to get out from this slum area
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and move somewhere nice —
I wanted money...
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which everyone else did.
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That's why I tried the car trade —
there was money in that —
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but I wasn't tough enough.
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Then, I remember one night...'62, "63...
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watching the BBC Comedy Playhouse.
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And there was one called
"The Offer" by Galton and Simpson,
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which was "Steptoe and Son".
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I watched that and I realised
what you can do with comedy.
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It was so funny and filled
with drama and pathos.
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So you've made up your mind, have you?
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Yes, I have! I've got a full life in front of me.
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I could have been a company director,
but you held me back!
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You and that rotten horse
and cart keeping me back.
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But I'm going to strike out on me own
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and you ain't gonna stop me.
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Believe me, Harold Steptoe's going up!
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1 thought, "That's what I want to do."
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For the past two weeks,
I've been taking stock of my Life.
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Who I am, what I am, and where I'm going.
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That's taken you a fortnight?!
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I could have answered all them
during a commercial break!
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What I'm trying to say is...
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I'm thinking of breaking up the partnership.
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What partnership?
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In '67, I worked in a brewery
and met a friend from school —
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a guy called Paul Saunders —
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who was a great comedian, a very clever guy.
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He was the one who suggested
that we write a script,
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which we did, and it got turned down.
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He kind of lost interest
immediately we'd been rejected,
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but I loved it, I so enjoyed
the process of inventing characters
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and writing the dialogue
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that it just became, basically, a hobby.
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It kept me off the streets
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and I didn't spend too much money on beer
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because I was writing every evening.
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I suppose the dream was
I still hoped to get into this business.
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1 sent in these ideas to the BBC
over maybe ten years.
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Sometimes I'd change the titles
or my name to try to fool them,
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but they realised they were crap.
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And you'd just get
reject notes come back.
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So I thought, "I'll have
to get a job in the business."
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1 wrote to the BBC, and they came back
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and said, "You've got a job,
but don't annoy the stars."
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1 started off working on props
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and then I did dressing the actual sets.
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Then I did scene shifting, building sets.
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I worked on the Morecambe and Wise
"Singing In The Rain" one.
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I actually put down all the waterproofing
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and the kerbstones.
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One Sunday, we were sitting
having lunch in the BBC Club,
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and my foreman said, "You know
who that is?" about this guy.
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I said, "No."
He said, "Dennis Main Wilson."
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He did "Till Death Us Do Part",
"The Goons"
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and "Hancock's Half Hour."
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Hancock's Half Hour.
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It was the first time I had a target to go to.
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Eventually, I plucked up the courage
to go and talk to him.
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"f thought I'd introduce myself.
I'm john Sullivan.
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"We're going to be working together."
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He said, "What on?"
1 said, "I haven't written it."
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And he just laughed and said,
"Let's have a drink."
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Great guy. Of all the people
I could have seen, he was perfect.
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1 went to see Ronnie Barker
on the "Porridge" set.
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I said, "Do you read sketches
by anyone?" He said, "Yeah."
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This time, I did actually have
a couple of sketches.
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And he gave me a contract.
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1 worked on the Ronnies
for five seasons, I think.
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I've never had a racing pigeon before.
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You bought a racing pigeon?
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But you're illogical to feathers.
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— But this one was going cheap.
— All birds go cheep!
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In the meantime,
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Dennis Main Wilson
had read the "Smith" script.
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Dennis Main Wilson walked
into my office and he said,
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"I've just seen the most fantastic script
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"from a new guy who's working
as a scene shifter here.
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"I'm not going to go on about it, just read it."
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So 1 read it and it was instant
with me too.
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You were just so relieved and pleased
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to have a script
that didn't need any work on it
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It was ready for production.
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The structure was right,
the characters were right.
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It was beautifully worked out,
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very funny, the settings were original
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Power to the people!
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(BABY CRIES)
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And that's how I really started.
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First, by taking scripts home.
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Learning the layout.
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1 never had any idea
how to lay a script out.
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What I didn't realise was
that these were camera scripts,
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so you'd have lines there such as...
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"Fletcher reacts" in "Porridge".
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In the original script,
you'd have put what the reaction was.
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1 used to write my scripts —
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the first ones I did — "Rodney reacts."
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He still writes that. "Rod reacts."
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You go up to him and say, "Do you want...?
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"What reaction do you want?"
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He says, "I don't know. You do
the faces. I'll do the writing."
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It took me four years to realise
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that I should be telling them what to do.
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That Sidney Potter's
a good actor, in't he, Rodney?
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He was marvellous in
"Guess Who's Coming To Dinner".
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Yeah. Knockout, Grandad.
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Sidney Potter?
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So "Smith" had finished
and I had no work. I had nothing...
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I was out in the real pubs —
the south London pubs —
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but you weren't seeing that in comedies.
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It was still an old-fashioned London.
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There were no black people,
except in the background.
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There was so much new stuff out there
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and I just wanted to try
and bring in the real characters
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that were out there in the pubs
and streets now, at this time.
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We met in my local pub in North End Road,
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and we chatted and chatted.
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At that time, in the press,
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one headline was the "black
economy" and we discussed that.
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We got on well. We come
from a similar background.
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He's east London, I'm south.
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We both worked in markets.
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His parents, I think,
had a stall in the Roman Road
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and I used to work in Hill Street Market.
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So we'd always talk about markets a lof,
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and we realised nobody had
ever done a market comedy.
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He asked me, "Who was your
favourite market character?"
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It was the fly pitcher,
because they had to be comedians.
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(PITCHER) These slips
will not cling to your knickers.
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I can't promise you I won't, but these slips...
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They always had a younger lookout.
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The young guy used to be
the target for most of the gags.
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See how stylish it is
as modelled by my brother Rodney.
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(LAUGHTER)
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They must be related.
Nobody else would stand it.
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Cousins or something.
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..And quilted in natural nylon.
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This jacket would set you back
about £120 at Lilywhites,
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but this can be yours for a mere £35
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and it comes in all sizes.
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All this equipment is manufactured
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by a country that leads
the world in Alpine clothing —
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namely Fiji.
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Just a moment. This is probably
the Austria Olympic squad
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wanting to increase their order. Hello?
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Trotters Independent Traders, Arctic Clothing.
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All right, Dave?
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Ray said, "Why don't you put it forward?"
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"Readies", it was called then.
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"Have another go with that."
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1 went and saw jimmy Gilbert
and he just agreed.
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And instead of saying,
"Do a pilot," he gave me the series.
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I don't know if that was out of pity —
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he's a nice man and I was in trouble —
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or because "Minder" had started
about seven months before
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and that had gone down very well.
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When you start reading a new script,
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you can tell in three pages if it's going to work.
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It doesn't matter who's in it
or who's working on it,
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if you ain't got the script,
you ain't got the show.
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That's why "Fools and Horses"
has worked — a great script.
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It was a good real situation,
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and there were at least
three good gags on every page.
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Some shows have
one good gag every three pages.
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Chinese, Japanese, it's all the same to me.
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If you go for a job interview,
what are you going to say?
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"I've got qualifications and experience.
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"Two GCEs, an 18—month suspended sentence
246
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"and I know a good joint when I puff one"?
247
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Your feet won't touch, bruv.
248
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No. I'm afraid not, Rodney.
249
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At the ripe old age of 23, you are a social leper.
250
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Society's put you in the darkest
corner of its deepest cellar
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to grow moss and be forgotten about.
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Never mind, eh? Vive La France.
No need to get depressed.
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The essence of comedy is that
the basis has to be truthful.
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It's got to be believable.
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Once you've got a good thread
running that's believable,
256
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you can bend it and take liberties.
257
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The family, in Derek Trotter's eyes,
258
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is the number one thing.
259
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If you watch the series, you may
not believe that sometimes!
260
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— Stay out of this, Albert!
- Oi!
261
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Don't talk to a war hero like that!
262
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He's getting on me bloody nerves!
263
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It's your own fault, Rodney.
264
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You had a lovely wife, lovely flat,
good job and you blew it!
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He shouts at them and tells them off.
266
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The way he treats Grandad and Uncle Albert.
267
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There you are, you mucky old sod!
268
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Have you seen the state of my Persian rug?
269
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You run the I Edgar over it.
270
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You should see it. Give me a Manhattan, Mike.
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Small rum for him. Spit in it.
272
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But deep down it's born
out of love — family bond.
273
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I think this is where john got it from.
274
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(JOHN) I came from a strong family
275
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and I wanted to put them
in a strong family.
276
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There was a big age gap
between my sister and I — 1 years.
277
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and in the street where I lived,
this was quite common
278
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because of the war.
279
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People had children prior to the war
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and couldn't afford any more.
281
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But six years of war,
then the men come home
282
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and there's a baby boom.
283
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So you had lots of brothers
with ten years, 12 years...
284
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difference in their age,
and no one had ever used it.
285
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I began to think back to the street.
286
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I don't think it's just
an Irish thing. I know...
287
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The mothers who'd
passed on were almost sainted,
288
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You expected to find a shrine to them.
289
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Men used to cry over their mothers,
who'd died 20 years ago.
290
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Our mum was a wonderful woman.
291
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She had long golden—blonde hair...
292
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sometimes.
293
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She'd be sitting at the bar at the Nag's Head
294
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in her simulated beaverskin
with her rum and pep in one hand.
295
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20 Senior Service in the other.
296
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1 thought that was
an interesting area I could use.
297
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The mother, even though we never
meet her, is so important —
298
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so powerful in the set—up of this family.
299
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I remember what Mum said on her deathbed.
300
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She said to me... "Del?" she said.
301
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"Please give little Rodney
all the encouragement you can.
302
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"Never, Del... Never hold him back."
303
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She'd didn't "alf say a lot on her deathbed.
304
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My grandfather, Tom,
with a drink inside him,
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was a bit handy with my nan.
306
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If your mother was alive, I'd kill her!
307
00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,795
When my dad got to a certain age,
he beat his father up.
308
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My grandfather left home
and I never saw him again.
309
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So I brought that in as well
310
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My dad went potty.
311
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He was shouting at Del, calling him names.
312
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,875
Del's ducking round the room, trying to escape.
313
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,318
Then it all turned violent
'cause he'd been out drinking.
314
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,071
He took his belt off, started
whacking him, punching him.
315
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,957
That's what he was like.
316
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:38,591
My mum was screaming,
"Don't hit him!" and I was crying.
317
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God. Poor Rodney.
318
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— Was he hurt?
— Not too bad.
319
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He was in hospital for a few days.
320
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Me mum took me to visit him.
321
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,951
What happened to your father?
322
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I'm talking about me father.
323
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I thought you meant Del!
324
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,757
When I was in the car trade, about 16,
325
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,629
working for a successful car
trader with a couple of sites,
326
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,155
some properties in London.
327
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And he used to say these Latin phrases
328
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and strange phrases we never understood.
329
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,076
There was a total lack
of communication with him.
330
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,074
He'd ask you to do something
but you never understood him.
331
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Mon Dieu! Mon Dieu!
332
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Ah, oui. Je t'aime. Je t'adore...
333
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Sur la pont d'Avignon.
334
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,232
It was all to impress,
to make himself important.
335
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,199
I took that side of things for Del.
336
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,351
Apres moi, love the luge.
337
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,397
Oh, a la bruchette!
338
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:49,238
They're the things I brought
with me into "Fools and Horses".
339
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,756
1 ended up
with this dysfunctional family.
340
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,752
No mother, no father.
341
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,829
That's why I got
the three—wheeled van —
342
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I wanted something missing
in every aspect of their life.
343
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,678
1 had intended later on to change it,
344
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,277
but everyone fell in love with
this yellow van and I couldn't.
345
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,479
So I made them a two—car family
with a horrible green Capri,
346
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,792
The Capris nice —
it's a real piece of crap.
347
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,510
1 thought, "The van's going to
be there forever. "
348
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,876
1 always try to paint a picture.
349
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,477
I remember the first episode
of "Fools and Horses"
350
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,031
describing the clash of the curtains
351
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,396
with the wallpaper and the carpet.
352
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,030
1 said it should look like
the start of a bad trip.
353
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,840
That's how I described it
to the designer.
354
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,551
1 described what's in
the boxes in the background.
355
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,917
Everything... With these kind of people,
356
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,994
you can buy almost anything
off them — these traders.
357
00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,234
If you say, "I love that table."
"Yours for a fiver. Take it."
358
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,357
That's how it was.
359
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,399
If you can make some money
on it, sell it.
360
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,437
Everything is for sale.
361
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,833
When we started off,
we usually had a running gag
362
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,710
that every week this room
would be full of hooky gear
363
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,235
that they'd knocked off that week.
364
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,474
It was always broken —
dodgy telephones and dartboards.
365
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,157
We tried to change it. We used
to change the table every week.
366
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,200
One week a bit of teak,
then it'd be a garden table.
367
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,512
It was just a throwaway gag
368
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,150
to show they were wheelers and dealers.
369
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,551
— What's the weather like out?
- It's parky, Del.
370
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,438
Good, good.
371
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,476
— Nice thick frost?
— Bit slippery underfoot, yeah.
372
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,110
Triffic. Lots of flecks of snow
in the air, is there?
373
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,113
- Yeah, a bit of sleet.
— Oh, cushty.
374
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,558
Nice northerly wind howling in
from the Urals, is there?
375
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,155
h you.
ight throug
me " Lovely.
376
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,713
Because today, owing to young
Rodney's foresight and GCEs...
377
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,237
while the other plonkers in the market
are selling woolly hats,
378
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,394
we're going to make a right killing.
Do you know why?
379
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,470
We haven't got woolly underwear,
380
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,393
we've got suntan lotion.
381
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,915
The first thing is get the right script.
382
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,594
The second thing is get the right cast.
383
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,071
The first person we cast,
the first lead actor,
384
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,039
was Rodney —
the dipstick, the plonker.
385
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,999
Beautifully played
by Nicholas Lyndhurst.
386
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,439
He was 19 years old at the time,
but such a mature, superb actor.
387
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,640
You little plonker!
388
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,594
That was John Sullivan.
389
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,993
He'd seen him in "Butterflies".
He looked perfect.
390
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,597
Next problem was, apart from finding a lead...
391
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,717
..was to find a Grandad.
392
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,919
Lennard Pearce seemed
to fit the part beautifully,
393
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,549
so I put him on stand by.
394
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,351
When casting a three—hander,
you cast them one at a time,
395
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,993
but have to see them together.
So my next problem was the lead.
396
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,791
A schedule had been set
and we were approaching filming.
397
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,759
A date for filming and we hadn't got a lead.
398
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,116
The two guys we wanted first —
399
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,989
one had turned down,
the other one wasn't available.
400
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,595
I was at home on a Sunday night,
401
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,390
and they were doing a re-run
of "Open All Hours".
402
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,120
And I saw David jason...
403
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,750
doing a virtuoso piece
in the back storeroom.
404
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,670
Beefy chunks in gravy.
405
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,673
And I said, "That's Del Boy."
406
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,549
1 rang john and said,
"/ think David will be good."
407
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,430
When I read "Only Fools
and Horses" for the first time,
408
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,319
I saw this character, Derek Trotter,
409
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,714
that was an amazing,
amazing go—getter, a winner.
410
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,191
Your average tourist gets fed up
of the same places —
411
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,752
the Houses of Parliament,
Buck House, the National Gallery.
412
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,629
Once you've seen one Rubens,
you've seen them all
413
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,918
This is where a dynamic person
like me steps in.
414
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,152
— Wake up. I'm being dynamic.
— Sorry. Go on.
415
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,994
Although he was, in fact, a loser.
416
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,791
But a really brash, upfront character.
417
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,749
But the writing was so good
418
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,311
and the character, I thought,
was so different.
419
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,994
1 thought, "I've got to play this."
420
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,958
Ethnic London.
421
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,157
- Ethnic London?
- Yeah.
422
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,871
All those romantic places
you've only heard about in fairy tales.
423
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,237
The Lee Valley Viaduct. Eh?
424
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,117
The glow of lower Edmonton at dusk.
425
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,432
The excitement of a walkabout in Croydon.
426
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,551
Look what I've had printed.
427
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,793
I don't believe this. "Trotters Ethnic Tours"?
428
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,078
I didn't know there was at that time...
429
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,791
a number of people
who were against casting me
430
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,951
as the lead role.
431
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,069
And one of them was, in fact,
John Sullivan himself!
432
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,110
Which he openly admits. Bless him!
433
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,309
My concern with David was
I'd never seen him play a tough man.
434
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Ray assured me — Ray knew him,
knew David well —
435
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,115
and he said he could do that.
436
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,433
You couldn't bring David Jason in to audition.
437
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,672
You either offered him the part or not.
438
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,277
I came into the office
the next day and told my guv'nor
439
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,638
that I'd like to approach David,
and he didn't like the idea.
440
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,838
(DAVID) Some people
were against casting me
441
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,233
because I'd never played
a lead role or carried a series.
442
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,835
With Ray Butt's conviction
443
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,039
that I was an actor whose
talents had not been explored,
444
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,354
he pushed for me and that
finally swayed the vote.
445
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,115
When I was an electrician,
I worked in the East End,
446
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,831
and I worked for a company
called Derek Hockley,
447
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,958
who used to do a lot of work for breweries.
448
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,159
This man dressed like a lord
and spoke like a fishmonger,
449
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,470
but he was a charming man,
450
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,873
and I couldn't get him out
of my mind when I was reading it,
451
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,271
and thought this was
an interesting way to go.
452
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,590
A la mode. A la mode.
453
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,754
The character of Rodney
I did draw quite heavily on...
454
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,910
I had a friend years ago
and he had a younger brother.
455
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,071
— Give him a bell
- Who?
456
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,279
This young boy was always trying
to be older than his years.
457
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,276
Trying to be cool. He never knew
what to do with his hands.
458
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,752
He'd never stop moving,
and the more he'd try to look relaxed,
459
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,231
the more awkward and gawky he became.
460
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,596
So / borrowed a bit of that.
461
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,195
And I'm six foot plus,
462
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,797
so it's quite easy to accentuate
any awkward gawkiness
463
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600
that you can get into a character.
464
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,515
1 suppose the first
two or three days of filming,
465
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,277
1 realised that David
was a very dynamic performer.
466
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,829
The only date you would have got
with her was 10 o'clock...
467
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,072
He's always doing something on set.
468
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,312
He's always pouring a drink or something.
469
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,357
That's what people do.
470
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,909
And he often used to tease me.
471
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,313
He'd say, "Why don't you get off
your arse and come and help me?
472
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,040
"That's real life."
473
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,273
And I'd say, "I'll just sit here
because that's real life too.
474
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,513
"We can't both bounce off the set.
The camera can't follow us,
475
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,398
"so I'll sit here."
476
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,033
1 think it's worked with
my character being more lugubrious
477
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,113
and just sitting there reading the papers.
478
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,719
Del's character is the hustler,
he's the get up and goer,
479
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,158
whereas Rodney is happy
to be carried along with things.
480
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,790
He'll be the first to say,
"I told you that would happen."
481
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,429
But he's quite happy to sit there.
482
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,870
(LOUD BANG)
483
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,271
(DAVID JASON) It's very Laurel
and Hardy in my mind.
484
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,595
Laurel and Hardy is an unknowing
fool and a knowing fool
485
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400
I told you not to make that last payment.
486
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,633
I think that the qualities
you have in "Fools and Horses"
487
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,792
can be very similar to that.
488
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,397
All of the characters are fools.
Rodney is a fool
489
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,039
Del!
490
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,112
Derek can be a fool.
491
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,236
And Uncle Albert or Grandad are always fools.
492
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,471
Time for your wash.
493
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,319
Not you!
494
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,917
Rodney and Del's characters
seem pretty well planted
495
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,311
with the actors who play them —
David and Nicky.
496
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,472
Trigger was a hard character to come to
497
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,632
because how do you make
somebody believable
498
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,838
who makes such ridiculous comments
499
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,833
and has stupid responses to things?
500
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,389
I had a relationship break up.
501
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,631
She worked at my council depot.
502
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,952
— A lady roadsweeper?
- No. She was management.
503
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,875
A high—flyer. You had to go to her
if you wanted a new broom.
504
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,794
His way of getting accepted by people
505
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,954
was to agree to everything
or to suggest himself...
506
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,272
suggest something
that might be wrong to keep...
507
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,434
He would always get it wrong,
but from his point of view.
508
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,753
I always played him as if it was
everybody else who was wrong.
509
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,719
He had insight into things.
510
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,558
Anyway, she'd heard about this hotel
near Henley—on—Thames,
511
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,350
and she said, "How about
spending a weekend there?"
512
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,990
- Yeah?
— what?
513
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,959
— What happened?
— Was it a nice weekend?
514
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,432
Yeah. I thought it was, but she
didn't want to see me after it.
515
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,040
I don't like to pry, Trig, but...
516
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,919
No, no. It's a bit personal.
517
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,959
Hang on, Bronco. Trig, what happened?
518
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,991
She got jealous.
519
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,677
I heard later, through friends,
that she wanted to go with me.
520
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,957
I've used aspects of myself that I can find.
521
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,317
I've used a sort of dumb insolence
522
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,110
that I used to use with my dad
when I was in trouble,
523
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,193
and I've found it quite helpful...
524
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,115
over the years generally, actually!
525
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,271
So I pulled that out.
526
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:11,675
So I've used aspects of myself
to inform Trigger of Life.
527
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Duke!
528
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,789
The basis of the character of Boycie
529
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,555
was I knew this guy in the 70s
in a pub who fascinated me.
530
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,839
He was an extraordinary
lonely—type character —
531
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,312
someone who knew a little bit
about practically everything.
532
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,519
He used to stop the conversation
and stop the drinking in the pub
533
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,833
by pontificating about
all sorts of different things.
534
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,880
This is a high—tech investment
in my video leisure company.
535
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,510
This thing can pick up the whole of Scandinavia.
536
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,032
I can therefore record films
of the more adult variety
537
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,158
and show them to my more discerning clients.
538
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,711
- You mean perverts?
- If you must be medical, yes.
539
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,191
1 had an inkling,
when I came to do "Fools and Horses",
540
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,637
that Boycie might have
similar characteristics.
541
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,877
The laugh has become enormous —
people keep wanting me to do it.
542
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,795
It's useful at charity things
because people pay to hear it.
543
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,396
(LOUD CACKLE)
544
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,190
I don't know how it happened.
It just sort of happened
545
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,354
and everybody laughed at me laughing,
which is gratifying.
546
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,716
John Sullivan seemed to like it.
547
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,273
The next script I was in said,
"Boycie does one of his laughs."
548
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,829
I couldn't remember what I'd done.
549
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,598
So we had to go back and replay
the episode where I'd laughed.
550
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,274
"Oh, it's that one." So I did it.
551
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,795
It's actually quite difficult.
552
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,591
Somebody will say, "Do your laugh"
and pay some money,
553
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,558
so I'll go...
554
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,029
(DIRTY LAUGH)
555
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,794
And that's enough. Was that enough?
556
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,113
As soon as you had Boycie,
you'd say, "Remember Marlene?"
557
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,749
And all the boys remembered Marlene.
558
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,311
- Hello, Marlene, my love.
- Hello, sweetheart.
559
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,551
— Wha—hey!
— Ooh!
560
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:19,509
John wanted no one to see her
because everybody had a picture
561
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,990
of the dreadful Marlene!
562
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,916
It was really because of the dog
that I got my first episode.
563
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,551
She had huge fuzzy hair,
far too much make-up,
564
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,839
very high heels, tight little
dress, huge fur coat.
565
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,833
As 1 read it, I heard her voice.
566
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,799
Don't worry, he's house—trained.
567
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,190
Wwe live in a flat.
568
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,354
She just was me. She was the tart in me.
569
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,034
It was terribly releasing to play.
570
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,479
It's bliss. And you flirt
with anything that moves. It's fun.
571
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,836
Come on. Kiss him goodbye.
572
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,559
Bye, Dell.
573
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,111
For Gawd's sake, the dog, Marlene!
574
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,035
As far as I knew, that was
the end of my life as Marlene.
575
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,513
Which was sad because it had
been an amazingly jolly morning.
576
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,629
The script was hysterical,
the people welcomed me,
577
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,475
and I wanted to go on doing it forever,
but I waved goodbye.
578
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,840
A fortnight later, Sullivan rang
and said they'd loved the scene
579
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,630
and said, "I've got some ideas
for some more storylines."
580
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,791
I'm so sorry.
581
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,158
It's OK. It's an easy mistake
to make. This one's yours.
582
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,314
- How do you know it's mine?
— It's got your name in it.
583
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,836
The Raquel—Cassandra side,
bringing those girls in,
584
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,879
was such a potentially dangerous thing to do.
585
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,479
The audience might not accept
their "lads" being family men.
586
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,510
What appealed to me about her
was that she was her own woman.
587
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Very independent, doing her own thing.
588
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,678
I was surprised they'd written
a girlfriend for Rodney like that.
589
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,756
In the past, his girlfriends
weren't really of that ilk.
590
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,992
Something smells good. I'm starving.
591
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,278
I did myself one of those ready-made meals.
592
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,592
Oh. well, I'm starving.
593
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,310
I didn't know I'd be marrying
into the Trotter family.
594
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,632
I thought I was just coming in for one episode.
595
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,919
I didn't know it would continue.
It was lovely as it evolved.
596
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,720
It was funny to have a name change
597
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,078
when you'd only had the name
for about a week! One series.
598
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:53,518
Which was great. To become
a Trotter — what an honour!
599
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,956
There's plenty in the freezer.
600
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,599
Good.
601
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,270
— What a clean oven we've got.
- Sorry?
602
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,274
I was just remarking how clean
one can keep these ovens.
603
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,831
Especially when one
never bloody cooks in them.
604
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,669
— Are you going out?
- Yeah.
605
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,116
That'll make a nice change.
606
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,750
What is it tonight? The bank's final exams?
607
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,958
The bank's annual cheese and wine orgy?
608
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,476
The bank's annual yoga
and target practice course?
609
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,713
- I'm playing badminton.
— Oh, I see. Where?
610
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,315
The bank's sports club.
611
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,236
By introducing both Cassandra
for Rodney's character
612
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,870
and Raquel for Derek,
I think John broadened it.
613
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,795
He thought, "We'll try and extend that family
614
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,236
"and see whether it can take that,
615
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,392
"and see how it will affect the two men."
616
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,358
Is it Derek?
617
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,031
— Raquel?
- Yes.
618
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,669
- Hi.
- Hello. Hello.
619
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,909
Oh, sorry. These are for you.
620
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,674
Are they? You shouldn't
have gone to all this expense.
621
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,116
Mais oui. Mais oui.
622
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,598
I've booked a table
at my most favourite restaurant.
623
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320
— Sounds lovely.
— Right.
624
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,797
- Your carriage awaits.
- Thank you.
625
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,360
This is a bit like "Brief Encounter".
626
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,037
- Do you reckon?
— That's my favourite film.
627
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,909
Oh, yeah, and it's mine.
628
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,310
— Really?
- Yeah.
629
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,519
My favourite bit is when
the big spaceship comes down
630
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,671
and the Martians come out.
631
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,595
It was interesting to play her
from that early time
632
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,991
with her as quite a naive, vulnerable person,
633
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,913
to becoming more streetwise.
634
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,833
That was an interesting journey for her.
635
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,389
Eat your breakfast, Del.
636
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,393
You said fried stuff was bad for me veins.
637
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,709
Eat your breakfast, Del.
638
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,394
I really loved Raquel
639
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,269
She was trying to make a go
of her career of acting,
640
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,910
she'd had a failed marriage,
she was very vulnerable,
641
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,199
she'd gone to an agency because
she didn't have much confidence
642
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,510
but she wanted a boyfriend,
643
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,389
and met this extraordinary man
who was also scared.
644
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,597
He was these other things —
645
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,072
a confident man who had so much to offer.
646
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,834
I think the development of how they met
647
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,470
and their early days was so interesting.
648
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,156
Both those characters were so truthful and real,
649
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,757
and both so in love with the boys,
despite everything,
650
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,480
that it's been a glorious addition to the show.
651
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,399
"Only Fools and Horses" started in 1981
652
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,836
and met with modest success.
653
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,037
When we started it, we...
654
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,273
Series One, I think,
was watched by myself, David
655
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,434
and my Auntie Peggy
in Chessington. No one else saw it.
656
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,799
We were getting less than half
of the normal viewers
657
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,997
that shows were getting then.
658
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,758
A comedy should expect to reach
10-12 million to be a success.
659
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,514
1 think "Only Fools" got seven.
660
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,469
It was one of those many
comedies that started
661
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,395
and had a question mark
over whether it would continue.
662
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,110
The BBC, although they never said anything,
663
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,590
quite obviously didn't like it.
664
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,435
I remember David Jason phoning me and saying
665
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,470
that he had just been in
to the BBC main foyer
666
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,429
and they had pictures of all
their forthcoming comedies,
667
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,594
but no "Fools and Horses" —
it was the only one missing.
668
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,674
1 arranged to meet David,
and we went to see the Head of Comedy.
669
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,789
He said, "There is a picture.
It's on the sixth floor."
670
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,793
He took us up to show us this picture.
671
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,431
1 think it was on the wall
of Michael Checkland's bog.
672
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,632
John Howard Davis invited me
to his office
673
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,791
to talk about the future.
674
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,954
He said, "You don't want to make
any more of them, do you?"
675
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,112
I said, "Actually, I do. We all enjoyed it."
676
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,590
We had great faith in it.
677
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,230
And the BBC
always give you a second go.
678
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,110
So we did the second one,
which I thought was better.
679
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,229
But that had the same reaction.
The figures were very bad.
680
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,710
Then there was a great silence.
681
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,635
I couldn't get a reply to my calls or anything.
682
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,715
And I remember we were going
away on holiday, my family,
683
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,076
to a caravan in Hastings.
684
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:11,837
Before we left, they started
repeating "Fools and Horses".
685
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,153
One day I bought a Daily Mirror
and I sat reading it,
686
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,755
and they used to give you the top TV.
687
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,719
There's "Fools and Horses" at number five.
688
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,871
The repeats had taken off.
689
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,670
"Only Fools" gradually
got bigger audiences.
690
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,959
It almost took off as late as '88-'89
691
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,351
when it went to the 50-minute format.
692
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,750
At its last showing in "96,
693
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,912
it got 27.9 million viewers.
694
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,072
I don't watch it
because I'm too frightened to,
695
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,870
but you know that whilst
you're doing the washing—up,
696
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,635
half the nation is watching you perform.
697
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,632
That's quite a laxative.
698
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,792
Everything I've written about
has happened in my life.
699
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,270
We had the joy of birth...
700
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,230
— What is it, Del?
- It's a little baby, Rodney!
701
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,355
And the grief of losing someone.
702
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,875
1 just write about life.
703
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:17,992
1 think all writers take from
their own experience so much.
704
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,280
Very rarely do you use
the actual incidents you witness.
705
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:29,231
You alter them into where
you want them to go for your characters.
706
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,233
It's another way,
but you know it's true.
707
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,839
My father was a very, very
funny man — a great man —
708
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,675
but he was also a great socialist.
709
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,879
He'd been shop steward
on the building sites where he worked.
710
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,033
And he was warning me
711
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,113
about double—checking
everything in my life —
712
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,271
being sure what I put up to.
713
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,909
Don't just trust people.
714
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,357
He told me this tale
about when he was an apprentice.
715
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,230
They'd gone to this big manor house
to remove a chandelier.
716
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,354
They were on one chandelier
and a guy's banging the other one...
717
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,117
He said there was no communication.
718
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,069
I was on the floor laughing
and he was really angry with me.
719
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,709
"15 men got the sack for that!"
720
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,351
This was a time when if you got
the sack you could starve,
721
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,750
so it was very serious to him.
722
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,312
I remember meeting David jason
and telling him the story.
723
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,951
I was hysterical. I said,
"John, you have to write it for us."
724
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,714
He said, "But it was only a story."
725
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,475
- I said, "But it's so funny."
- He said, "We must do it."
726
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,350
I read it and just burst out
laughing. Such a funny idea.
727
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,718
Then I thought, "How the hell
am I going to do it?"
728
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,953
The first problem was finding
a stately—looking home
729
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,353
which would allow you to drop
loads of glass on their floor.
730
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,989
That came down with a hell of a whack.
731
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,199
If it had a wood floor,
it could do a lot of damage,
732
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,990
so people didn't want to know, obviously.
733
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,917
In the end, we did it in a minor
public school down in Dorset.
734
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,875
Oh, toujours la politesse, toujours.
735
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,999
This is beautiful. Bet you've
held a few balls in here.
736
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,074
What?! Oh. Yes, we have.
737
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,119
Because we knew one was crashing down,
738
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,638
we got a prop firm to make one
so we could break it.
739
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,998
So we had one chandelier
that was the real one...
740
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,119
— That's beautiful, innit?
- Yes. Good buy.
741
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,159
- French crystal?
- Yes, actually.
742
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,871
It was a tricky thing to shoot
because it was a one—off.
743
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,112
It had to happen in one take.
744
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,114
Ray brought in two or three
cameras to cover it all
745
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,750
Grandad, you pop upstairs
and get the floorboards up.
746
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,675
- You know what you're doing?
- Leave it to me.
747
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,195
Right. He's a craftsman.
748
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,155
Grandad, do you want a jemmy?
749
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,753
No. Had one before we left, Del.
750
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,914
Ray, who's only a little guy, but fierce with it,
751
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,117
came up to me and said,
752
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,036
"This chandelier that we're
about to drop cost £6,000.
753
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,670
"If you laugh when it's dropped,
we've lost the end scene.
754
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,832
"If we've lost the end scene,
we've lost the episode.
755
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,992
"If we've lost the episode,
we've lost the series
756
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,800
"because the BBC will only transmit six.
757
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,511
"So if you laugh when
that drops, I will fire you."
758
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,995
— Is there anything you want?
- Yeah. I want to go home.
759
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,636
So David and I went up the ladders,
760
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,270
holding our sacking
or tarpaulin or whatever,
761
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,434
and Ray is right there in
my eye—line, looking daggers at me.
762
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,273
Grandad, we're ready!
763
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,875
(TONY DOW) He tried to make sure
764
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,158
that you were not aware
of the other chandelier.
765
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,033
So the stuff with the chandelier
they were trying to get down
766
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,191
was done all in foreground,
767
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,716
and all we had was subliminally
this other chandelier.
768
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,909
Right. Brace yourself, Rodney. Brace yourself.
769
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,355
You can probably see they're
desperately trying not to laugh.
770
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,113
(NICHOLAS LYNDHURST)
Ten seconds went past
771
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,272
and I could see his shoulders
going like this.
772
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,149
And they got more and more and more violent.
773
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,472
I'm looking at David. "You're going to get fired."
774
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,631
Ray is still like that.
775
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,155
I see him, out of the corner of my eye,
776
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,075
reach into his parka
and pull out a handkerchief...
777
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,670
and just stuff the whole thing into his mouth...
778
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,517
and go like that.
779
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,958
Somebody said, "Cut! That's it!"
after 30 seconds.
780
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,272
I came down that ladder and the air went blue.
781
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,477
I swore my head off at him.
782
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,270
We then had a load of crystal
from a broken chandelier
783
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,956
that we strewed in
and took a close-up of.
784
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,872
The other funny thing was that
as they were ready to catch it,
785
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,318
you saw a shot of Grandad
hitting it to make it go.
786
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,438
That was shot in the back bedroom
787
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,594
of my then girlfriend down in Southall
788
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,435
We took the floorboards up and shot that there.
789
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,989
You never see it join.
790
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,869
After every show went out, my dad would ring —
791
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,031
always first on the phone.
792
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,670
And I dreaded it. Thought,
"What is going to happen now?"
793
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,834
The phone rang and he just said,
"You were right. It was funny."
794
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,073
He'd seen it on TV
and realised that it was amusing.
795
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,431
— Know what I did last night?
- I bet it was depressing.
796
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,479
I read my diaries from when I was a schoolkid.
797
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,597
See? I was right.
798
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:44,358
Not quite. I noticed moments
of hope within those pages.
799
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,439
There is no other writer in television
800
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,230
who can take you along that fine line
between comedy and drama —
801
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,994
and occasionally comedy and tragedy —
802
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,515
and push you off one side or the other.
803
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,275
I've never felt sodding pain
like that in all my Life!
804
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,152
— Is Cassandra hurting?
— Of course she is.
805
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,070
How do you know?
You haven't talked to her about it.
806
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,959
No. And you know why? It's because...
807
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,112
It's because it's almost as if
if I don't talk about it,
808
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,510
it might not be true.
809
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,194
- well, it is.
- I know, I know.
810
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,911
— But if I don't say it...
- If you don't say what?
811
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,310
We lost our baby.
812
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,349
But you did...and you have said it.
813
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Yeah.
814
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,758
John does not write comedy
when the worst thing that happens
815
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,912
is that they run out of ice for the gin and tonic.
816
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,517
John does not write that kind
of comedy and never has done.
817
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,432
There's always a depth
818
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,558
which distinguishes him from other writers.
819
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:15,715
One of the defining moments
of "Fools and Horses" was when...
820
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,157
John always had the ability
to make people laugh,
821
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,359
but he then realised he had
the ability to make people cry.
822
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,832
I remember doing the first
series of the 50-minuters.
823
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,037
- You off, bruv?
- Yeah.
824
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,830
And we were doing the scene
where Rodney got married.
825
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,959
I just wanted to...
I just wanted to say, Rodney...
826
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,955
I'm really very proud of you.
827
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,433
You've got it all now — new job, new flat...
828
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,836
new wife. New life.
829
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,756
He left Del in the reception
and it was a lovely moment.
830
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,912
A very poignant moment
with a Simply Red song.
831
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,631
John was pacing up and down here
getting very twitchy.
832
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,872
We were recording it
in front of a live audience.
833
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,873
And he said, "They're not laughing."
834
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,635
1 said, "They're not laughing
because they're crying."
835
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,271
(SONG: "HOLDING BACK
THE YEARS" BY SIMPLY RED)
836
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,675
# I'll keep holding on... #
837
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,351
He's had serious subjects.
838
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,720
Cassandra and her miscarriage,
death in the family.
839
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,679
All the things that do affect people.
840
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,117
But he makes you smile at them.
841
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,400
And he has a way with his words
of saying, "It's not so bad."
842
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,518
Lennard Pearce wasn't well — Grandad.
843
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,753
He'd been in hospital
and we were filming without him.
844
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,993
And someone came on the set
and said unfortunately he'd died.
845
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,790
So we went back to our caravans.
846
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,749
David and I were pretty convinced that was it.
847
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,958
We certainly didn't feel funny anymore.
848
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,114
But the series had been commissioned
849
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,749
and we were halfway through it.
850
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,431
So we had about five days off, I think...
851
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,160
with frantic phone calls going on.
852
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,960
And within the week...
853
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,760
we came to a meeting
854
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,312
to discuss what we were
going to do with the series.
855
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:45,431
And one or two of the bigwigs
said that it was very sad,
856
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,591
but we must carry on.
857
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,436
Someone said maybe we could have
an aunt — have a woman in it
858
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,920
Where's Grandad?
859
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,278
1 said, "I'm not playing it
with a woman." He said, "Why?"
860
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,991
1 said, "It's not that,
but how can we treat a woman
861
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,549
"like we treat the old man?
862
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,190
"Call him a daft old git
and throw him in the van?
863
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,711
"I couldn't do that to a woman."
864
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,595
And we decided that we would
have a funeral for Grandad,
865
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,038
A relation would come
out of the woodwork
866
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,919
and it would be Uncle Albert.
867
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,390
And that was the most amazing thing,
868
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,076
that john Sullivan in a week grasped the nettle
869
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,710
and decided to have a funeral
870
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,238
of a character
that was in a series on screen.
871
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,391
Never been done before.
872
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,194
(NICHOLAS LYNDHURST) It was
freezing cold and snowing.
873
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,673
David and I just staring into this grave.
874
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,149
And we'd done it for real
the week before.
875
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,838
There was that joke.
876
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,072
— Lovely service, vicar.
- Thank you.
877
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,437
You suddenly realised
it was the wrong hat.
878
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,797
Has anyone seen my hat? It was here.
879
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,719
There was just that moment...
880
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,111
and you'd seen all the characters
upset and sad —
881
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,237
"We've got to get on with it.
882
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,473
"Let's go back and have a drink.
Poor old Grandad." —
883
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,632
and then just that little smile.
884
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,071
It makes you smile thinking about it.
885
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,559
Our backgrounds, without question,
886
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:13,511
have been a major part
of the construction of the series.
887
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,990
1 came from north London,
888
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,152
but from a poor working-class family.
889
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,676
John Sullivan came
from south London — Peckham!
890
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,832
He based the series out of truth!
891
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,038
And Ray Butt came from the East End.
892
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,237
So in all of those elements,
893
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,960
we knew what we were talking about.
894
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,112
We knew the people john was writing about.
895
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,319
There is er...a very important thing
896
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,316
about knowing how people of London speak.
897
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,039
And...
898
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,158
it's something they could sense instantly.
899
00:57:53,320 --> 00:58:00,238
If we were not able to speak
London working-class well,
900
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,394
they would know and we wouldn't
have been so successful.
901
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,349
Canadian Club's all round.
Have one yourself, Michael.
902
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,433
Cheers, Del. Call it 25 quid for cash.
903
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,389
— OK. Put it on the slate.
- No. No slate, mate.
904
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,154
I've had a visit from the brewery.
905
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,152
Oh, all right.
906
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,880
OK. There's a fiver and er...
907
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,111
Would you Adam and Eve it?
908
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,920
I've gone and left me wallet at home.
909
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,117
Damien was playing with it.
910
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,794
I was teaching him financial management —
911
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,554
how to avoid expensive pubs.
912
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,111
- I'lL sell them to someone.
— They're second-hand!
913
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,272
- I'll sell them cheap.
— Here's a fiver for them.
914
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,558
It's not my fault. It's the brewery.
915
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,711
They've got this new rule.
916
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,874
From now on, customers
have to pay for their drinks.
917
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,031
These new—fangled ideas!
918
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,237
I've got a pretty good ear.
919
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,598
I'm interested in how people speak.
I like to imitate people.
920
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,958
It was important to get it right
and I picked it up quickly,
921
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,751
because Ray Butt spoke...
He never lost his accent.
922
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,278
And if you were in trouble
about how to pronounce something,
923
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,670
Ray was there and he talked like that.
924
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,434
He was just one of them. That is Ray Butt.
925
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,833
He never put on airs and graces
even with the top brass here.
926
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,957
We got a lot from him.
927
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,318
John is a bit of a social scientist in a way.
928
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,790
He reflects what he sees around him.
929
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,158
When we used to rehearse in Chiswick,
we went to a local pub,
930
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,836
and this pub was right opposite an undertaker's.
931
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,991
One day we were in there,
932
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:48,189
and there's an old pot man —
old Tom who was about 78, 79 —
933
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,351
used to clear all the tables.
934
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,718
One of the hearses pulled up outside opposite
935
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,952
and the boys who'd just done
the funeral came in.
936
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,796
As they came in, a wag shouted,
"Tom, your minicab's arrived!"
937
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,474
That turned up in the script.
938
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,029
I don't believe you!
939
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,714
Hang up. Hats off.
940
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,793
Hello, your minicab's arrived, Albert.
941
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,078
Boycie!
942
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,991
Is that Dave?
943
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,398
Yeah.
944
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,871
You git!
945
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,471
You rotten git!
946
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,598
You never told me my new job
was Chief Mourner!
947
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,036
Rodney! Show some respect.
948
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,114
(JOHN SULLIVAN) You do hear
things in pubs, in restaurants,
949
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,556
in bus queues, anywhere.
950
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,350
You hear the most wonderful
lines by just listening.
951
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,591
The best lines are out of life.
952
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,720
That fall through the bar I saw happen.
953
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,110
Trig! Trigger! Over here.
954
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,636
Pub called The George on top
of Balham Hill a guy did it...
955
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,158
exactly like that, showing off
to some girls with some mates.
956
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,470
Showing off to some girls here.
957
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,280
I was there with a couple of my mates.
958
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,910
He lent forward to get a light
from his mate's lighter,
959
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,710
the barman come out, and he went through.
960
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,679
He never hit the floor. He stumbled and got up
961
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,959
and did one of those embarrassed
giggles — "I meant to do that."
962
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,396
It just stuck with me.
963
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,915
Again, I think I was up the BBC Club
964
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,119
and I said to David Jason
"I saw this thing, Id love to use it,
965
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,840
"but I don't know how or where."
966
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,790
We must have waited ten years
before we got the opportunity.
967
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,396
Someone came up to me one day and said,
968
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,871
"I want to ask you a question, Mr Jason.
969
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,238
"You know that thing
when you fell through the bar?"
970
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,232
And I said, "Yes."
971
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,914
And he said, "Was it an accident?"
972
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,711
I said, "What do you mean?"
He said, "Did you mean to do it?"
973
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,760
The construction that went
into that to make that work
974
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,718
was very interesting.
975
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,511
(TONY DOW) We didn't think
then it was a classic moment.
976
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,150
Everybody thinks, "Oh, he fell through the bar."
977
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,880
But it was meticulously rehearsed.
978
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,475
He didn't fall through the bar every day,
979
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,190
but David and I had long conversations about it.
980
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,034
I had a tremendous grounding in the theatre,
981
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,159
and I did all the Brian Rix farces...
982
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,871
and I was on tour in plays.
983
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,396
The things I did were very physical
984
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,996
I was very fortunate in being able to enjoy
985
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,154
getting thrown out of doors
and diving through hatches.
986
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,994
So it was quite natural for me.
987
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,393
— We just learn their language.
— Why? Are they foreign?
988
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,150
We had Roger Lloyd Pack and David Jason
989
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,231
trying to chat up two birds.
990
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,518
The important thing was never to cut —
991
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,671
to hold the shot.
992
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,470
If you look at it, we never cut.
We just held the shot.
993
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,438
In quite a loose shot.
994
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,798
Normally, with a funny moment,
you cut in to make it bigger,
995
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,590
but if we'd done that, people
would have known it was coming.
996
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,276
When it happened, nobody suspected it at all
997
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,954
I think we're on a winner here, Trig.
998
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,909
Play it nice and cool, son. Nice and cool.
999
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,198
David held that fantastic rigid position.
1000
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,676
Then you got another laugh
as Roger does a Trigger moment
1001
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,798
where he just looks —
"What happened there?"
1002
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,316
Then David popped up
with that immortal line.
1003
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,951
Drink up, Trig. We're leaving.
1004
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,598
What about them birds?
1005
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,912
No, mate. You're cramping my style.
1006
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,634
It doesn't get better than that!
1007
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,991
Over the years, "Fools
and Horses" has developed.
1008
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,755
It's stayed in Peckham,
but the actors have got older,
1009
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,389
the characters they play have got older.
1010
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,076
Rodney married
and we brought in Cassandra.
1011
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,631
He's got one of those silly little ponytails!
1012
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,552
What a wally.
1013
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,870
Looks like a Davey Crockett hat!
1014
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,553
Then Raquel.
1015
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,396
I'm not trying to meet
sensitive people. I'm happy with you!
1016
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,871
They married, and we ended up with Damien.
1017
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,795
Mars and something else
have come into conjunction
1018
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,113
and decided that He
will be born in Peckham.
1019
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,712
The family cycle has moved on.
1020
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,794
Let me introduce you to Damien.
1021
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,510
(SPOOKY MUSIC)
1022
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:28,118
I believe the public are saying,
"This almost mirrors our lives
1023
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,033
"because we've moved along with it."
1024
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,194
(JOHN SULLIVAN)
Of course they've changed,
1025
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,876
but the focus is still the same.
It's always survival
1026
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,352
and, beyond survival,
trying to become very rich.
1027
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,632
This time next year...we'll be millionaires.
1028
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,071
My name's Perry Aghajanoff.
1029
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,996
I'm President of the "Only Fools
and Horses" Appreciation Society.
1030
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,074
I've grown up with Rodney. He's my age.
1031
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,072
And I've experienced the same things.
1032
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,312
It's grown into quite a phenomenon.
1033
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,598
It's kind of taken the country by storm.
1034
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,229
We have 6,000 members worldwide.
1035
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,791
We produce our own newsletter
called "Hookie Street",
1036
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,954
Our latest venture — as Del
would say, we've diversified —
1037
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,193
is Trotters Ethnic Tours,
taking the Trotters to the people
1038
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,752
to experience the wonders
of Peckham, shall we say.
1039
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,673
Once a year, we put on conventions,
1040
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,309
generally in the Midlands.
1041
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,279
We get most of the actors along.
1042
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,115
Attendances range from 1500 to 2,500.
1043
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:49,992
People travel from all over
Europe and get into the spirit.
1044
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,198
People turn up in their Trotter vans.
1045
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,637
Some people come dressed
as Uncle Albert or Del Boy.
1046
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,758
They meet the actors,
get their autographs.
1047
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,036
They can pose for photographs.
1048
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,239
They want to grab out further
and touch the show,
1049
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,394
and through the society,
they can actually do that.
1050
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,593
We know it's not real,
but it's got to almost be real
1051
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,311
It's just touched
on the British psyche. It's just out there.
1052
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,510
(TONY DOW) You can imagine
what it's like on the road.
1053
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,435
As soon as anybody hears
that "Fools and Horses" is filming,
1054
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,069
the whole world turns up.
1055
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,119
The other thing is that our lovely press
1056
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,877
do their best to try and shoot
some of what you're filming,
1057
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,876
so they can say, "This happens
in the Christmas special."
1058
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,476
(GARETH GWENLAN)
You'd have to ask them
1059
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,159
why they think they're getting
an exclusive to blow a story
1060
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,200
that millions of people are
going to watch on Christmas Day.
1061
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,957
Why they feel it's their duty
to spoil the story, only they know.
1062
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,158
We're having to film in public places,
1063
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,553
so you can't actually protect the story.
1064
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,076
(RODNEY) You said we was
only going for a few hours.
1065
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,800
(TONY DOW) The Batman
and Robin sequence...
1066
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,351
They're going to a fancy dress party
and the car breaks down,
1067
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,955
so they have to go through town.
1068
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,591
What was brilliant was that john
then took that idea
1069
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,149
and invented the mugging situation.
1070
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,231
They were mugging this woman.
1071
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,074
Out of the mist came Batman and Robin,
1072
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,914
which made the thing doubly funny.
1073
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,993
When we came to shoot it, it was a nightmare.
1074
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:48,677
We'd heard that nearly
every press man from London
1075
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,309
had come to Bristol to try to shoot this.
1076
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,189
We had this street and we had
people parking lorries,
1077
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,113
we had security in hanging up blankets,
1078
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,750
trying to stop any
press people coming down.
1079
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,753
I had these guys dressed as Batman and Robin.
1080
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,232
If they got one shot, it would
be front of a tabloid paper.
1081
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,997
So we did this whole number
about trying to hide it.
1082
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,596
We had them sitting around
while we put this security in.
1083
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,991
We got them to run down the road twice.
1084
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,358
1 shot it on one size
and shot it on another size.
1085
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,309
So the whole sequence,
apart from when he spoke to the woman,
1086
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:31,676
was just two shots.
1087
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,354
(MUSIC: "BATMAN" THEME)
1088
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,679
The simplest thing I'd ever shot,
but the most effective.
1089
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,275
If I could have shot what I wanted,
1090
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:46,832
I'd have overcomplicated it —
taken shots of faces and feet.
1091
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,479
Del!
1092
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,838
Let's go!
1093
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,953
Sorry. Must dash. Duty calls.
1094
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,952
The thing about all these characters
1095
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,838
is that they are decent people.
1096
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,995
They are loyal to each other
and have great love for each other.
1097
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,992
You all right, Unc?
1098
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,951
What you two doing here?
1099
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,318
We were worried about you. Silly old git.
1100
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:31,949
What's this all about, eh?
1101
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,235
Running away from home at your age.
1102
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,791
Lot of things been going
through my mind lately.
1103
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,759
I didn't know if I was coming or going.
1104
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,549
I feel I let the family down.
1105
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:49,239
- I let you two down.
- No.
1106
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,869
Don't be so bloody daft.
1107
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,591
Sure, Del does some dodgy deals,
1108
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,277
but compared with politicians,
they're really pretty good eggs.
1109
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:05,991
For all that john Sullivan
laughs at these characters,
1110
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:10,393
you know that he's really fond
of them, he really likes them.
1111
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,597
He loves writing about them.
1112
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,718
That's why we've done so many episodes.
1113
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,713
If he didn't enjoy it, he wouldn't do it.
1114
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,110
It seems to be timeless.
1115
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,193
No one gets hurt. It's not cruel.
1116
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:30,311
And it's — dare I say this? —
it's simple humour.
1117
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:35,270
The story, the characters
are not that complicated.
1118
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,592
You know about them when you see them.
1119
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,878
You can readily absorb them
and you trust them.
1120
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,112
That's the magic that John's managed to create.
1121
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,636
He's a flash git, really, when you think about it.
1122
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,476
What a git to be that clever. Hate him.
1123
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:20,398
So...what was the final outcome?
1124
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,394
It was bought by an anonymous bidder.
1125
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,394
He's giving it to the Maritime
Museum at Greenwich.
1126
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,712
Well, that's nice, innit?
1127
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,515
Oh, you wally!
1128
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:42,115
What was the final score?
What exactly did it go for?
1129
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,479
oh.
1130
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,749
6.2 million.
1131
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,671
So that's...
1132
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,754
just over three million each.
1133
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,320
Well, we've had worse days.
1134
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,236
Do you want to go first or shall I?
1135
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,800
well, why don't we go together?
1136
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,837
Yeah, all right.
1137
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,276
One, two, three...
1138
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,429
Yes! Whoo—ooh!
1139
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,950
At the time I was happy
to let them wander off...
1140
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,397
but there was an awful lot of public
1141
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,758
and press pressure on us to bring them back.
1142
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,958
We were very uncertain whether to do it or not,
1143
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,634
but eventually we all agreed
1144
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,633
to bring them back for one more run.
1145
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,314
(THEME TUNE PLAYS)
1146
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,872
A few were critical of it
and said bad things about it,
1147
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,511
but I thought it a bit unfair
as we'd lost Buster — Uncle Albert,
1148
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,639
and shortly before filming
we lost Ken, who was Mike.
1149
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,397
So we had major problems there to overcome.
1150
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,952
I thought they'd let us off
for good behaviour, but they didn't.
1151
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,193
1'd got to start them off
in their rich world —
1152
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,478
they're millionaires —
and rich ain't funny.
1153
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,838
So I tried to bring them back
to Peckham as soon as possible.
1154
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,789
One thing Del says as he's
walking up the yellow brick road
1155
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,474
is to invest in futures.
1156
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:48,191
She said on her deathbed,
"If ever you and Rodney become rich,
1157
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,034
"you must invest in the futures market."
1158
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,874
About four months after that, it crashed.
1159
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,637
It was a massive market
and the Trotters would have been in it.
1160
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,749
So they would have lost
their money within four months.
1161
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,595
1, at one point, made it clear
1162
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,912
that Del had bought the flat
in Nelson Mandela House,
1163
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,550
and that was there
as a sort of safety net.
1164
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,793
Obviously, if it was
a council flat and they'd left it,
1165
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,951
somebody else would be in it,
1166
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,555
so I arranged for Del to buy it.
1167
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,032
So that was a good bit of thinking on my part.
1168
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,511
You are witnessing one of
nature's great phenomenons —
1169
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,469
one that sadly David Attenborough has ignored.
1170
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,270
It's called the Trotter brothers trying to park.
1171
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,950
Hard on your left!
1172
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,680
— Right hand down.
- Hard left, Dave.
1173
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,911
Right... Will you shut up?!
1174
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,551
Episode Two is an old-fashioned
"Fools and Horses" episode,
1175
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,633
one that could have come from anywhere.
1176
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:00,590
There's no point to them once being rich or not.
1177
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,752
It's just Del and Rodney back in Peckham.
1178
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,718
At last!
1179
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,112
You can't park there, Dave.
1180
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,959
If people really love it
and aren't getting tired of it,
1181
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,238
I think we'll all be happy to do some more,
1182
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,110
but you always have that fear...
It's been going a long time.
1183
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,353
There are great new things —
"The Office", Alan Partridge,
1184
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,033
things like that.
1185
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,989
They may get tired of "Fools",
and when they do,
1186
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,073
that's fine, we're very happy,
1187
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,517
we'll just all shuffle off to the nearest pub
1188
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,876
and all the public will hear from us
1189
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,759
is a heartfelt thank you and bonjour.
1190
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,993
# My name is Ginger
I'm getting so much stick
1191
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,516
# 'Cause of my banger
1 need to get rid of it
1192
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,275
# If you's a drinker,
then get drunk I insist
1193
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,070
# If you's a raver,
then please bubble to this... #
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