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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,103 --> 00:00:04,003 [**] 2 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:37,269 DICK: That's Italian. 3 00:00:37,305 --> 00:00:40,405 You can go pump or auto. 4 00:00:40,441 --> 00:00:43,381 SCHWARZENEGGER: The .45 Long Slide with laser sighting. 5 00:00:43,411 --> 00:00:45,311 These are brand new. We just got them in. 6 00:00:45,346 --> 00:00:47,516 That's a good gun. 7 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:49,578 Just touch the trigger, the beam comes on... 8 00:00:49,617 --> 00:00:52,417 Yeah, I remember after shooting this scene 9 00:00:52,453 --> 00:00:55,163 thinking, "That guy is good. 10 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:56,719 He oughta run for Governor." 11 00:00:56,757 --> 00:00:58,427 LAINIE: Schwarzenegger? 12 00:00:58,459 --> 00:01:00,629 What Schwarzenegger? Me! 13 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:05,426 Friend of mine was working for Roger Corman. 14 00:01:05,466 --> 00:01:07,396 And he had to go drop something off 15 00:01:07,435 --> 00:01:09,165 and I said, "Can I go with ya?" 16 00:01:09,203 --> 00:01:10,603 Dick Miller was an essential part 17 00:01:10,638 --> 00:01:12,408 of those early Corman films. 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,810 He's in quite a number of them. 19 00:01:13,841 --> 00:01:15,541 You got a thought, or do you want to sit here 20 00:01:15,576 --> 00:01:17,246 and play with your blocks? 21 00:01:17,278 --> 00:01:18,478 I'll play with your blocks. Here, give him this. 22 00:01:18,512 --> 00:01:22,352 Sometimes he has a small part, sometimes one of the leads. 23 00:01:22,383 --> 00:01:25,853 CORMAN: Bucket of Blood was probably Dick's best role. 24 00:01:25,886 --> 00:01:28,286 He played Walter Paisley. 25 00:01:28,322 --> 00:01:30,562 Oh Walter, I want to be with you! 26 00:01:30,591 --> 00:01:32,861 LAINIE: Let's call the character Walter! 27 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:34,163 Yo, Walter! 28 00:01:34,195 --> 00:01:35,655 MAN: Hey, Walter, it's your wife. 29 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:38,196 LAINIE: It's just one of those things. 30 00:01:38,232 --> 00:01:40,302 It sort of got attached to him. 31 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,704 MAN: Walter Paisley is born! 32 00:01:42,736 --> 00:01:45,566 But you did shoot with naked ladies. 33 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:47,206 No, I don't remember naked ladies. 34 00:01:47,241 --> 00:01:48,781 Dick did his share of gangsters, 35 00:01:48,809 --> 00:01:49,909 and he did policemen - 36 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:50,983 You know, working stiff parts. 37 00:01:51,011 --> 00:01:53,711 I don't know an actor who has been in the business 38 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:56,617 as long as Dick has been in the business 39 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:59,550 who isn't hiding a million wounds. 40 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:01,657 Dick came out here as a writer 41 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:03,459 and that's what he wanted to do. 42 00:02:03,491 --> 00:02:05,931 Our childhood was probably like everybody else's. 43 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:07,299 Who knows? 44 00:02:07,328 --> 00:02:09,228 You hear stories, you don't hear stories. 45 00:02:09,263 --> 00:02:10,833 I've been mistaken for him several times 46 00:02:10,864 --> 00:02:13,504 and I always thought I was better lookin' than him. 47 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:15,904 Ah, sorry pal, you're over the limit on this card. 48 00:02:15,936 --> 00:02:17,366 SAYLES: He's that guy. 49 00:02:17,405 --> 00:02:18,735 He's the guy that when you're watching a movie 50 00:02:18,772 --> 00:02:21,712 and you see him, you say, "There's that guy!" 51 00:02:21,742 --> 00:02:22,712 He's in everything. 52 00:02:22,743 --> 00:02:24,883 He's like the Washington Monument of actors. 53 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:27,452 You can't turn on the TV or go to the movies 54 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:30,921 without seeing this man's career spill out before you. 55 00:02:30,951 --> 00:02:32,421 Listen to me, punk, 56 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:33,553 I've handled jaywalkers who were tougher than you. 57 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:34,657 I do hope you'll write my book. 58 00:02:34,688 --> 00:02:36,958 I grew up with Dick Miller. 59 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:38,490 I mean I really did. 60 00:02:38,526 --> 00:02:40,586 INTERVIEWER: Ever flub a line? No. 61 00:02:40,628 --> 00:02:43,258 I take Master Charge, American Express - 62 00:02:43,297 --> 00:02:45,597 I blew the fuckin' line! 63 00:02:45,633 --> 00:02:47,543 Yeah, maybe once or twice... 64 00:02:47,568 --> 00:02:49,538 Dick Miller is the quintessential character actor. 65 00:02:49,570 --> 00:02:51,410 Lets get outta here. 66 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:52,709 I hate cul de sacs. 67 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:54,810 There's only one way out and the people are weird. 68 00:02:54,842 --> 00:02:56,982 FELDMAN: He's in every Joe Dante movie, isn't he? 69 00:02:57,010 --> 00:02:58,810 What was he in Innerspace? 70 00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:01,276 BOTH: Would you shut up! Get back in your cab! 71 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:02,945 I never thought about being a filmmaker. 72 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:05,253 I was going to be a cartoonist. I was just a film fan. 73 00:03:05,286 --> 00:03:07,416 But then when finally I got a chance to make a movie, 74 00:03:07,455 --> 00:03:09,415 I couldn't do it without Dick Miller. 75 00:03:09,457 --> 00:03:10,887 I had to have Dick Miller in it. 76 00:03:10,924 --> 00:03:13,294 Joe seems to adore Dick. 77 00:03:13,327 --> 00:03:15,297 They seem to get along fantastically. 78 00:03:15,329 --> 00:03:16,829 What's so great about Dick is - 79 00:03:16,864 --> 00:03:19,504 It's the fact that he's so Dick Miller. 80 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:21,343 He's so himself. 81 00:03:21,369 --> 00:03:23,269 Completely, 100 percent, 82 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:25,574 undiluted, pure Dick Miller. 83 00:03:25,606 --> 00:03:27,576 He's so completely authentic. 84 00:03:27,608 --> 00:03:29,578 You're never going to steal a scene from him. 85 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:31,280 Because how can you steal a scene from 86 00:03:31,312 --> 00:03:32,382 somebody who's so real? 87 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:34,583 You're never going to steal a scene from reality. 88 00:03:34,615 --> 00:03:36,575 No, that's what I said. No, that's what I said! 89 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:38,717 No, I said forget it. I said... 90 00:03:38,752 --> 00:03:42,762 [**] 91 00:03:53,301 --> 00:03:57,311 [**] 92 00:04:03,043 --> 00:04:06,383 We're in New York because Dick is doing a film. 93 00:04:06,414 --> 00:04:08,654 I'm so excited! 94 00:04:08,682 --> 00:04:11,022 DICK: Back in New York - This is my stomping ground. 95 00:04:11,051 --> 00:04:13,891 I started out here, a Bronx boy. 96 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:16,021 I haven't been here in a couple of years. 97 00:04:16,056 --> 00:04:17,426 It's nice. 98 00:04:17,458 --> 00:04:20,588 This one is with Abe Vigoda 99 00:04:20,628 --> 00:04:23,058 and it's called Cutaways. 100 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:24,766 I've never worked with him before. 101 00:04:24,798 --> 00:04:28,468 He's a nice, quiet old gentleman. 102 00:04:28,502 --> 00:04:29,772 My friends are still amazed - 103 00:04:29,803 --> 00:04:30,943 and the people that I work with - 104 00:04:30,971 --> 00:04:34,381 that my brother's an actor and he's been in so many films 105 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:37,008 and he's such a well known face. 106 00:04:37,044 --> 00:04:39,584 You look at him and you say, "I know that guy." 107 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,583 GENE: But he made so many films... 108 00:04:41,615 --> 00:04:43,345 Somebody told me he made about 300, 109 00:04:43,384 --> 00:04:45,354 which is an awful lot. 110 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:46,816 Can we have the check? 111 00:04:46,854 --> 00:04:48,324 It's on the house. 112 00:04:48,356 --> 00:04:49,656 Really? Sure, what the hell. 113 00:04:49,690 --> 00:04:50,960 Different rules apply when it gets this late. 114 00:04:50,991 --> 00:04:53,661 Know what I mean? It's like after hours. 115 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,664 KAPLAN: I love having him around. 116 00:04:55,696 --> 00:04:56,996 I love working with him. 117 00:04:57,030 --> 00:04:59,070 Cause Dick's got a New York accent, you know? 118 00:04:59,099 --> 00:05:00,099 You feel at home. 119 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:02,543 Dick is a dyed in the wool kind of New Yorker. 120 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,540 He's a super authentic guy. 121 00:05:04,572 --> 00:05:06,542 He's a no bullshit guy. 122 00:05:06,574 --> 00:05:11,014 This is my first professional picture... 123 00:05:11,044 --> 00:05:13,114 "Sorority Girl, 124 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:15,116 featuring Dick Miller." 125 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:17,488 Here's some more junk. 126 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,088 This is from Gremlins. 127 00:05:19,119 --> 00:05:21,859 This is a Walter Paisely sign. 128 00:05:21,889 --> 00:05:25,559 I've got Walter Paisely signs all over the house. 129 00:05:25,593 --> 00:05:27,403 The Undead... 130 00:05:27,428 --> 00:05:28,858 INTERVIEWER: You played a leper in that movie, right? 131 00:05:28,896 --> 00:05:31,426 Yeah, he cleared up my skin nice. 132 00:05:31,465 --> 00:05:33,425 Ahh, this is War of the Satellites... 133 00:05:33,467 --> 00:05:34,697 Rock All Night... 134 00:05:34,735 --> 00:05:36,395 INTERVIEW: How many movies did you do for Roger? 135 00:05:36,437 --> 00:05:37,607 Do you remember? 136 00:05:37,638 --> 00:05:40,068 I've been associated with him in about... 137 00:05:40,107 --> 00:05:43,907 49 pictures... 138 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:46,414 That's he's either directed or produced, 139 00:05:46,447 --> 00:05:49,047 or something or the other. 140 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:52,722 The first film Dick and I worked on together was Apache Woman, 141 00:05:52,753 --> 00:05:54,963 a two-week western. 142 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,088 I think it was my third or fourth picture. 143 00:05:57,124 --> 00:05:59,994 I was just learning how to be a director. 144 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:05,970 I was five when he made his first movie - 145 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:08,439 Apache Woman - 146 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:10,469 where he plays Tall Tree. 147 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:13,444 I would've made a great Apache Chief... 148 00:06:13,474 --> 00:06:15,544 Wouldn't I have, Tall Tree? 149 00:06:15,576 --> 00:06:17,876 Mmm, Good Chief. You Chief now. 150 00:06:17,911 --> 00:06:19,681 SADLER: And I think that's really the secret 151 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:21,653 to his longevity in the film industry - 152 00:06:21,682 --> 00:06:22,882 is his height. 153 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:25,886 Because there's always room for somebody who is that small. 154 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:28,759 You'll have to ask Dick about his secret. 155 00:06:28,789 --> 00:06:30,859 I have no idea what his secret is. 156 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:33,631 DICK: I was playing an Indian in my first picture, 157 00:06:33,661 --> 00:06:35,001 and I felt good about it. 158 00:06:35,028 --> 00:06:37,028 He says, "When you finish your work here, 159 00:06:37,064 --> 00:06:40,034 how would you like to play a homesteader for me?" 160 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:42,637 I said, "Yeah, sure. When does that start?" 161 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:44,070 He says, "Tomorrow!" 162 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:46,974 So I played a cowboy and an Indian in my first movie. 163 00:06:47,007 --> 00:06:49,877 I think part of the success of Corman 164 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:52,650 was that everything was well planned in advance. 165 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,980 Roger Corman was a well-educated young man 166 00:06:56,016 --> 00:06:58,986 who sort of stumbled into the movie business. 167 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:01,459 Corman was his own director and producer, 168 00:07:01,489 --> 00:07:04,659 and knew how to make these films quickly and efficiently, 169 00:07:04,692 --> 00:07:08,032 and had no pretense of them being great art. 170 00:07:08,061 --> 00:07:10,501 Won't be laying that track for two weeks yet. 171 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:11,931 We're all waiting for that big letter. 172 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:13,595 Yeah, and I'm waiting to carry it. 173 00:07:13,634 --> 00:07:15,844 DICK: Roger was on a Western kick then. 174 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:17,609 I played cowboys for him. 175 00:07:17,638 --> 00:07:20,108 I played a Pony Express rider for him. 176 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,940 I was making a buck. 177 00:07:21,975 --> 00:07:24,675 Dick came out as an actor from New York 178 00:07:24,712 --> 00:07:26,882 and started getting cast in all those movies 179 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:29,024 and became this presence. 180 00:07:29,049 --> 00:07:31,179 Frankly, at the time of those movies, 181 00:07:31,218 --> 00:07:32,818 I wasn't aware of Dick. 182 00:07:32,853 --> 00:07:33,893 But looking at it in retrospect, 183 00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:36,691 he's a thread that you see throughout those movies. 184 00:07:36,724 --> 00:07:38,194 He's like the everyman. 185 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:39,325 Jonathan Haze, by the way, 186 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:42,599 was the one who introduced me to Roger the first time. 187 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:43,930 What do you do, kid? 188 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:46,104 I'm here to keep Mr. Johnson healthy. 189 00:07:47,935 --> 00:07:49,665 I don't even think we had 190 00:07:49,703 --> 00:07:51,143 each other's phone numbers in those days. 191 00:07:51,171 --> 00:07:52,671 No, who had telephones? 192 00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:54,976 I want to rustle some cows. Don't be stupid. 193 00:07:55,008 --> 00:07:57,578 Who's stupid? You're stupid. Who's got any cows out here? 194 00:07:57,611 --> 00:07:59,581 Alright, I'll go rustle some chickens. 195 00:07:59,613 --> 00:08:01,623 HAZE: That was all pretty much ad-libbed. 196 00:08:01,649 --> 00:08:03,619 But it was the first time that Dick and I 197 00:08:03,651 --> 00:08:05,621 got to work together as a comedy team. 198 00:08:05,653 --> 00:08:07,623 It's not here? Si, way back in there. 199 00:08:07,655 --> 00:08:09,615 It's too big for this little squad, I think. 200 00:08:09,657 --> 00:08:11,627 HAZE: And it gave Roger some ideas 201 00:08:11,659 --> 00:08:13,159 about us playing comedy 202 00:08:13,193 --> 00:08:15,763 that paid off later on with Bucket of Blood 203 00:08:15,796 --> 00:08:17,596 and Little Shop of Horrors. 204 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:19,901 Jonathan Haze - Dick calls him Jackie. 205 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,703 But he's Jonathan Haze. 206 00:08:21,735 --> 00:08:24,705 They've been together as friends since New York. 207 00:08:24,738 --> 00:08:27,738 They've known each other longer than Dick knows me. 208 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:31,580 DICK: When Jonathan Haze said 209 00:08:31,612 --> 00:08:33,082 he was going to introduce me to Roger, 210 00:08:33,113 --> 00:08:36,253 I thought, "I'm gonna sell him some science fiction if I can." 211 00:08:36,283 --> 00:08:37,993 Didn't happen. 212 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:39,988 Roger at that time, he said, "What do you do?" 213 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,890 I said, "I'm a writer." 214 00:08:41,922 --> 00:08:43,562 He said, "We don't need writers. We need actors." 215 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:44,831 I said, "I'm an actor!" 216 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:46,188 The State Theatre in Boonton, New Jersey. 217 00:08:46,226 --> 00:08:48,556 That's where I saw my first Dick Miller movie, 218 00:08:48,596 --> 00:08:50,756 which was "Not of this Earth". 219 00:08:53,967 --> 00:08:55,937 Mornin'. I represent the Air Wave Vacuum Company. 220 00:08:55,969 --> 00:08:57,639 You the gentlemen of the house? 221 00:08:57,671 --> 00:08:58,941 This is my house. 222 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:00,642 Crazy. I'd like to show you the product. 223 00:09:00,674 --> 00:09:01,944 DANTE: I didn't know Dick, 224 00:09:01,975 --> 00:09:03,635 because I hadn't seen any of his other movies. 225 00:09:03,677 --> 00:09:05,577 But the vacuum salesman 226 00:09:05,613 --> 00:09:07,053 definitely made an impression on me. 227 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,350 So when I saw him again in another AIP picture - 228 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:12,052 "Oh, that's the guy! That's the vacuum cleaner guy." 229 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:13,715 I know that better than you do, sergeant. 230 00:09:13,754 --> 00:09:14,824 How well are you doing? 231 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:17,185 Half my men are dead. Nothing can stop that thing. 232 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:18,694 In Not of This Earth, 233 00:09:18,726 --> 00:09:20,726 Dick plays a door-to-door salesman. 234 00:09:20,761 --> 00:09:22,731 This, they say in the vernacular, 235 00:09:22,763 --> 00:09:24,803 is the darling of the vacuum cleaning world. 236 00:09:24,832 --> 00:09:26,902 ROGER: And it was really one of the high-points, 237 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:29,304 if not THE high-point of the picture. 238 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:30,236 It's a vacuum cleaner. 239 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:31,770 You purchase, you don't wanna purchase. 240 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:33,135 You wanna purchase, you purchase. 241 00:09:33,173 --> 00:09:34,743 I don't want ya to purchase, mister. 242 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:35,935 I just want to give you a free demonstration. 243 00:09:35,976 --> 00:09:37,206 You wanna purchase, you purchase. 244 00:09:37,244 --> 00:09:38,684 You don't wanna purchase, you don't purchase. 245 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:39,912 I ain't gonna force you to purchase. 246 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:41,977 ROGER: It was a well-written scene, 247 00:09:42,015 --> 00:09:44,075 but Dick re-wrote it just slightly, 248 00:09:44,117 --> 00:09:46,787 just changed a little bit of the dialogue. 249 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:47,960 Crazy. 250 00:09:47,988 --> 00:09:49,218 I said, "Wait a second..." 251 00:09:49,256 --> 00:09:51,216 Among my many occupations, 252 00:09:51,258 --> 00:09:53,928 I was also a door-to-door salesman. 253 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:55,701 I said, "And I didn't have a spiel. 254 00:09:55,729 --> 00:09:58,329 I just spoke naturally." 255 00:09:58,365 --> 00:10:00,625 It's a very simple operation. 256 00:10:00,668 --> 00:10:04,098 MALTIN: When people try to do homages to these B-movies, 257 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:05,837 they do it sometimes with a wink. 258 00:10:05,873 --> 00:10:09,183 The actors who worked for Corman never did that. 259 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:11,339 There's no condescending to the material. 260 00:10:11,378 --> 00:10:12,848 It's done with conviction. 261 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,950 I must have met a thousand cops 262 00:10:14,982 --> 00:10:17,252 and every one of them is stupid 263 00:10:17,284 --> 00:10:19,424 Tangling with punks like you for the money they draw, 264 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:21,152 maybe they are. 265 00:10:21,188 --> 00:10:23,858 "Got a picture here called Rock All Night." 266 00:10:23,891 --> 00:10:25,731 I said, "What do I do in it?" 267 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:27,729 He said, "You're the lead." 268 00:10:27,761 --> 00:10:28,931 CORMAN: In Rock All Night, 269 00:10:28,962 --> 00:10:32,732 Dick played what we used to refer to as The Little Guy. 270 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:36,196 Let go of me, you big ape! 271 00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:37,336 Now beat it! 272 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:40,240 Dick's a very real guy. He doesn't cut you any slack. 273 00:10:42,242 --> 00:10:43,882 Fill it, will ya? 274 00:10:43,911 --> 00:10:45,751 And he's got that sort of New York 275 00:10:45,779 --> 00:10:47,879 attitude in his performances 276 00:10:47,915 --> 00:10:49,215 Say somethin' nice, 277 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:50,879 or I'm gonna bounce you right off that wall. 278 00:10:50,918 --> 00:10:52,118 Now start talkin'! 279 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:54,022 I'm talkin'. You listenin'? 280 00:10:54,054 --> 00:10:56,724 What he was was the underdog 281 00:10:56,757 --> 00:10:59,927 who rises to the occasion and conquers. 282 00:11:01,762 --> 00:11:04,162 LAINIE: Roger started his career. 283 00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:07,837 All of the people who grew up in the Corman camp 284 00:11:07,868 --> 00:11:09,298 wouldn't be using Dick 285 00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:12,206 if Dick hadn't been an actor for Roger Corman. 286 00:11:12,239 --> 00:11:14,779 DAVISON: I grew up in New Jersey 287 00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:16,908 and was a big fan of Roger Corman's. 288 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:19,214 I went to see Attack of The Crab Monsters 289 00:11:19,246 --> 00:11:21,916 and Not of This Earth when I was eight years old, 290 00:11:21,949 --> 00:11:24,179 and I don't think I've ever been as scared since. 291 00:11:24,217 --> 00:11:26,947 He was able to get the money to make those little movies. 292 00:11:26,987 --> 00:11:30,287 I guess little by little, he got better at it. 293 00:11:30,323 --> 00:11:31,793 People liked them... 294 00:11:31,825 --> 00:11:33,325 which surprised the hell out of me. 295 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,930 But in high school, I learned to appreciate Dick Miller. 296 00:11:36,964 --> 00:11:39,234 I learned to appreciate how he was able to give life 297 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:41,936 to even the smallest of roles. 298 00:11:41,969 --> 00:11:43,399 We don't have much time, Dave. 299 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:44,666 We've got plenty of time. 300 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,044 They're just calling for Rocket One. I'm going on Rocket One. 301 00:11:47,074 --> 00:11:51,044 Dick Miller's first 10 feature film acting jobs 302 00:11:51,078 --> 00:11:53,348 were all for Roger. 303 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:55,380 Dick is top billed in War of the Satellites, 304 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:59,085 and he tries hard to suppress his Bronx accent, 305 00:11:59,119 --> 00:12:01,089 and is pretty successful with it. 306 00:12:01,121 --> 00:12:03,221 Is it fantastic that there's an intelligent race out there 307 00:12:03,256 --> 00:12:05,826 that stops at nothing to keep us quarantined on our own planet? 308 00:12:05,859 --> 00:12:08,099 Is the Sigma Barrier fantastic? 309 00:12:08,128 --> 00:12:10,058 But he plays it more like a leading man 310 00:12:10,097 --> 00:12:13,097 than the character actor that he is... 311 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:16,343 And manages, I think quite convincingly, 312 00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:18,839 to play against his blue collar persona 313 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:20,072 and portray a scientist. 314 00:12:20,107 --> 00:12:23,107 It's harder then anything we have yet been able to devise. 315 00:12:23,143 --> 00:12:25,883 And it has a fantastic thermal resistance. 316 00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:27,483 Hm. I didn't know that. 317 00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:29,254 I think the first movie I saw 318 00:12:29,282 --> 00:12:31,422 was War of the Satellites. 319 00:12:31,451 --> 00:12:34,221 I remember, years after, my brother Gene said, 320 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:36,864 "You know, where did Dick learn all those big words?" 321 00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:38,860 Now the gentlemen here ask themselves why 322 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:40,462 these aliens are so concerned that we do not 323 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:42,003 penetrate the Sigma Barrier? 324 00:12:42,029 --> 00:12:44,099 If Lenny Bruce could've acted, 325 00:12:44,131 --> 00:12:45,801 he would've been Dick Miller. 326 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:47,133 Especially the young Dick Miller, 327 00:12:47,167 --> 00:12:49,797 'cause Dick had this kind of 328 00:12:49,837 --> 00:12:51,807 hipster quality about him. 329 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:53,069 Hello? 330 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:55,106 Hello, Sybil? This is Dave. 331 00:12:55,142 --> 00:12:57,242 BEHR: One of my favorite moments 332 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,877 in the Dick Miller filmography 333 00:12:59,913 --> 00:13:01,353 is in War of the Satellites, 334 00:13:01,381 --> 00:13:05,021 where he plays this absolute hipster scientist. 335 00:13:05,052 --> 00:13:07,222 They never identify him as a hipster, 336 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:10,524 but you know he's off boppin' at night, smokin' reefer. 337 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:12,127 And there's one moment 338 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,389 when he comes in to see Richard Devon... 339 00:13:14,427 --> 00:13:17,427 I was wondering if I can ask you a question, personally. 340 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:18,934 Certainly... 341 00:13:18,966 --> 00:13:20,326 BEHR: Dick sits down 342 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,097 and he does this little thing with his head 343 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,565 that he sometimes does. 344 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,474 Which is the exact same thing 345 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:30,176 that Lenny Bruce used to do in his act. 346 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:33,050 That's the coolest guy in movies, guys! 347 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,880 So that's why when he gets to play Walter Paisley, 348 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:38,586 people use that as a reference 349 00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:41,088 to who Dick Miller is... 350 00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:43,291 That's not Dick Miller at all! 351 00:13:46,126 --> 00:13:48,326 DICK: For a while I was writing in New York. 352 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:51,001 So I came out here with a bunch of stories, 353 00:13:51,031 --> 00:13:53,101 science fiction things. 354 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,373 GENE: I knew he was writing, 355 00:13:54,401 --> 00:13:57,471 but I really thought that what was going to happen in the end 356 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,074 would be his acting, 357 00:13:59,106 --> 00:14:00,966 because he's gone to a theatrical school 358 00:14:01,008 --> 00:14:03,978 and he seemed to have a lot of talent. 359 00:14:04,011 --> 00:14:05,411 But I knew he'd been writing. 360 00:14:05,445 --> 00:14:08,075 But I didn't know is he was successful with that or not. 361 00:14:08,115 --> 00:14:09,875 DICK: I got out of the service, 362 00:14:09,917 --> 00:14:11,577 so I went to an upholstery school. 363 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:13,618 I went down there and filled out all of the papers. 364 00:14:13,653 --> 00:14:16,023 He said, "We don't have any night classes anymore, 365 00:14:16,056 --> 00:14:18,356 just the day classes. 366 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:20,491 Start at 8 o'clock in the morning." 367 00:14:20,527 --> 00:14:21,687 I said, "That's no good. 368 00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:25,328 I don't go to sleep until 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning. 369 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,535 Right next to the New York School of Upholstery 370 00:14:28,568 --> 00:14:32,108 was the New York Theatre School of Dramatic Arts. 371 00:14:32,139 --> 00:14:34,269 I called them - "What time do your classes start?" 372 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:37,277 BILL: He was on his own at a young age. 373 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:40,280 He always learned to rely on himself, 374 00:14:40,313 --> 00:14:42,153 and I think that's good. 375 00:14:42,182 --> 00:14:44,952 I really didn't know much about acting. 376 00:14:44,985 --> 00:14:46,945 I didn't care to be an actor. 377 00:14:46,987 --> 00:14:49,057 I had fooled around a little - 378 00:14:49,089 --> 00:14:51,319 Played drums, sang a little. 379 00:14:51,358 --> 00:14:53,288 So maybe the formative years 380 00:14:53,326 --> 00:14:55,526 and the separation from the parents 381 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:58,202 had more of an affect on him than, 382 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:01,101 psychologically, he wants to admit. 383 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:05,439 GENE: My mother, she was an opera star. 384 00:15:05,472 --> 00:15:07,672 She was soprano and very good. 385 00:15:07,707 --> 00:15:11,237 And we were raised, really, on that type of music. 386 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:14,548 But she was very talented, quite talented. 387 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:17,551 DICK: Oh, I was about 8 or 9 years old, I guess. 388 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:21,254 I came home to just one of the usual arguments. 389 00:15:21,288 --> 00:15:23,388 Of course, my mother and father divorced. 390 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:27,093 I think all of his interest in show business 391 00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:30,157 stemmed from his mother. 392 00:15:30,197 --> 00:15:32,697 DICK: My mother was prepared to give up everything. 393 00:15:32,732 --> 00:15:34,702 He just couldn't understand 394 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:36,574 why she wanted to sing 395 00:15:36,603 --> 00:15:38,273 and wanted to be happy. 396 00:15:38,305 --> 00:15:40,465 It had a big affect upon Dick. 397 00:15:40,507 --> 00:15:42,537 And I think Dick, overall, felt 398 00:15:42,575 --> 00:15:45,145 my father wasn't fair to his mother. 399 00:15:46,613 --> 00:15:49,283 DICK: I didn't know why they got divorced. 400 00:15:49,316 --> 00:15:51,676 My father was living someplace else - 401 00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:53,188 and that was it. 402 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:56,190 So he went out to California, sort of alone. 403 00:15:56,223 --> 00:15:59,233 You know, Gene was going his own way 404 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:01,559 and we had a big family in California. 405 00:16:01,594 --> 00:16:04,564 So they took care of him to a large extent, 406 00:16:04,597 --> 00:16:06,767 but mostly he took care of himself. 407 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:10,299 I was busy living life. 408 00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:12,737 And I came out to California... 409 00:16:12,772 --> 00:16:14,742 Unfortunately... 410 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:17,744 my mom died before 411 00:16:17,777 --> 00:16:21,277 she could see any of my films. 412 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:27,692 MAN: I will talk to you of art. 413 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,420 For there is nothing else to talk about - 414 00:16:30,457 --> 00:16:33,157 For there is nothing else. 415 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,363 Life is an obscure hobo, 416 00:16:35,395 --> 00:16:38,625 bumming a ride on the omnibus of art. 417 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,565 Burn gas buggies 418 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,200 and whip your sour cream of circumstance, 419 00:16:44,237 --> 00:16:45,607 and hope. 420 00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:49,238 And go ahead and sleep your bloody heads off. 421 00:16:49,276 --> 00:16:50,776 SCHLESINGER: When you talk about quintessential 422 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:52,280 Dick Miller roles, 423 00:16:52,312 --> 00:16:53,682 the common agreement is that 424 00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:56,123 it's Walter Paisley in A Bucket of Blood. 425 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:59,119 Yes, man, yes! Hi! 426 00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:01,092 The image we have of Dick Miller 427 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:03,261 was created in Bucket of Blood. 428 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:04,560 ARKUSH: Bucket of Blood, I think, 429 00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:07,391 is maybe my favorite Roger Corman movie. 430 00:17:07,427 --> 00:17:09,597 Hey, that's a pretty far out name for a statue. 431 00:17:09,629 --> 00:17:11,659 I saw a statue once - It was called 432 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:14,368 'The Third Time Phyllis Saw Me She Exploded'. 433 00:17:14,401 --> 00:17:17,371 It's a role where he does play kind of an idiot, 434 00:17:17,404 --> 00:17:20,374 even though he's kind of good natured. 435 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:22,377 You alright, Franky? 436 00:17:22,409 --> 00:17:24,379 Dick is in no sense 437 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:26,381 like that character in life. 438 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:29,353 He is much more like the character 439 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:31,552 in Rock All Night. 440 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:33,654 I thought you said that life was like an obscure hobo, 441 00:17:33,686 --> 00:17:35,656 bumming a ride on the - I do believe in that Walter, 442 00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:37,818 but I also believe creative living. 443 00:17:37,857 --> 00:17:40,227 He could play a comedy role 444 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,200 and bring a depth to it, 445 00:17:42,229 --> 00:17:43,829 and a seriousness to it, 446 00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:46,173 that gave it an added dimension. 447 00:17:46,199 --> 00:17:48,299 The artist is - All others are not. 448 00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,295 That's most intriguing. 449 00:17:50,337 --> 00:17:52,137 Are you a painter? 450 00:17:52,172 --> 00:17:55,142 His ambition is to be an artist. 451 00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:56,505 What's it called? 452 00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:57,543 Dead Cat? 453 00:17:57,577 --> 00:17:59,547 He takes the cat, and he covers it in plaster, 454 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,149 and he shows it to people, 455 00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:02,581 and they think it's a great sculpture. 456 00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:04,575 Man, you are in! Oh, Walter... 457 00:18:04,617 --> 00:18:07,787 Then he has to do more and he kills a man. 458 00:18:09,622 --> 00:18:12,162 So there's interesting levels of one killing 459 00:18:12,192 --> 00:18:13,662 for the sake of beauty, 460 00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:16,163 and is that the right thing to do, you know? 461 00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:18,426 Is that fraudulent? Is it not art? 462 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,425 Yeah, you're a real artist now. 463 00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:23,197 I think people do relate to Walter Paisley. 464 00:18:23,236 --> 00:18:24,736 We've all been through that - 465 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:26,511 Trying to break in, 466 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:28,379 trying to get started. 467 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:31,508 A canvas is a canvas, or a painting. 468 00:18:31,544 --> 00:18:34,354 A rock is a rock, or a statue... 469 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:36,551 ARKUSH: Like in all other parts of life 470 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:39,253 and in social settings, there's a hierarchy. 471 00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:40,586 People respond to hierarchies, 472 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:42,520 whether it's professional sports 473 00:18:42,555 --> 00:18:43,615 and you're the quarterback, 474 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:46,186 or, in the this case, instead of the quarterback, 475 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:47,856 you're the poet or the artist 476 00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:51,534 who is the center of beatnik life in the coffee shop. 477 00:18:51,564 --> 00:18:53,504 Bring me an espresso, Walter. 478 00:18:53,533 --> 00:18:54,833 ARKUSH: Walter is on the fringe. 479 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:56,467 He's got no artistic talent, 480 00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:58,213 he's got nothing going for him, 481 00:18:58,238 --> 00:18:59,568 and he can't get girls - 482 00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:01,836 which is kind of a big motivating factor for him. 483 00:19:01,874 --> 00:19:03,644 Crazy, what did he say? 484 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:05,646 Didn't you hear him? No man, I'm too far out. 485 00:19:05,678 --> 00:19:07,378 KARASZEWSKI: A Bucket of Blood is a hoot! 486 00:19:07,414 --> 00:19:08,684 It sort of takes 487 00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:11,375 what would be a generic drive-in picture 488 00:19:11,418 --> 00:19:14,588 and, all of a sudden, gives it an odd spin. 489 00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:17,491 Its really a sophisticated, brilliant little satire 490 00:19:17,524 --> 00:19:20,734 for a low-budget, quickie B-movie. 491 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,800 For some reason, Chuck Griffith's writing, 492 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:25,469 which can be very dark and funny at the same time, 493 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:27,428 was the perfect match for Dick. 494 00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:30,437 CORMAN: Chuck Griffith and I went out and had dinner, 495 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:31,600 and I said to Chuck, 496 00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:35,308 "Let's spend the night going from beatnik coffee house 497 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:36,612 to beatnik coffee house, 498 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:39,953 and we will put together an outline from which 499 00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:41,809 you will do the treatment." 500 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:44,278 I don't want you to make any more statues. 501 00:19:44,317 --> 00:19:45,617 Do you understand? 502 00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:47,622 No more statues! Why not? 503 00:19:47,654 --> 00:19:49,294 If you do the lead in the picture, 504 00:19:49,322 --> 00:19:50,592 you do the lead in the picture. 505 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:52,433 They're all pretty much the same. 506 00:19:52,459 --> 00:19:55,499 But that's the one that I like the best. 507 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:57,698 It really is, I think, his best performance, 508 00:19:57,730 --> 00:20:00,570 and he's been known for it in sort of a cult way. 509 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:06,835 Did you call me, Mr. Mushnik? 510 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:09,543 No, I was calling John D. Rockefeller 511 00:20:09,576 --> 00:20:12,276 for to make a loan on my Rolls Royce! 512 00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:13,782 JACKIE: Oh, I'll tell you something. 513 00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:16,453 But it's the first time I really saw Dick. 514 00:20:16,483 --> 00:20:18,723 He was in a movie called Bucket of Blood, 515 00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:21,391 and I knew Antoney Carbone, who was in it - 516 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:23,461 we went to school together. 517 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:25,530 So, naturally, I went to see the movie 518 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:27,728 and Dick was the star. 519 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,730 So that's how I felt on the set. 520 00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:32,733 Look, here I got a new customer. 521 00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:34,665 JACKIE: When Dick stepped on the set, 522 00:20:34,701 --> 00:20:37,341 you just know that he's somebody special. 523 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:39,340 Now what can I do for you, sir? 524 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:40,542 My name is Burson Fouch. 525 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,283 Excellent, I'm Gravis Mushnik. Oh, that's a good one. 526 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:44,910 Who's gonna get my roses? 527 00:20:44,944 --> 00:20:47,814 The Little Shop of Horrors went so fast, 528 00:20:47,847 --> 00:20:50,747 nobody had time to have small talk, really, 529 00:20:50,783 --> 00:20:53,023 'cause you're running from scene to scene. 530 00:20:53,052 --> 00:20:54,952 It was a two-day movie. 531 00:20:54,987 --> 00:20:57,317 AUDREY II: Feed me! 532 00:20:57,357 --> 00:20:58,457 HAZE: We had to shoot it fast, 533 00:20:58,491 --> 00:21:01,561 and a lot of the times we would just have to ad lib 534 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,064 because we'd lose ourselves - 535 00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:04,625 we didn't know where we were. 536 00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:06,674 Little Shop of Horrors was the next picture 537 00:21:06,699 --> 00:21:08,569 after Bucket of Blood. 538 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:10,671 By the time Roger was getting ready 539 00:21:10,703 --> 00:21:12,413 to do Little Shop of Horrors, 540 00:21:12,439 --> 00:21:14,339 I'd heard that he had Chuck Griffith 541 00:21:14,374 --> 00:21:16,644 writing a comedy for Dick Miller. 542 00:21:16,676 --> 00:21:18,806 Now came Little Shop of Horrors. 543 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:20,975 I said, "This is the same character." 544 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,523 HAZE: Dick read it and decided that he didn't want to do it 545 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:26,020 because it was similar to Bucket of Blood. 546 00:21:26,052 --> 00:21:27,392 In those days, 547 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:28,790 there weren't any sequels. 548 00:21:28,821 --> 00:21:30,491 I resented doing the part. 549 00:21:30,523 --> 00:21:31,963 I said, "I don't wanna do this. 550 00:21:31,991 --> 00:21:33,591 Give it to Jonathan Haze." 551 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:36,056 I said, "Well, I'll do anything in it to be workin'." 552 00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:37,555 Are you crazy? 553 00:21:37,597 --> 00:21:38,897 Who, who? You, you! 554 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:42,501 So I felt that it was a good payback time 555 00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:45,035 by giving him a lead in this picture. 556 00:21:45,071 --> 00:21:46,641 Dick was in scenes with me, 557 00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,113 'cause I worked in the Flower Shop 558 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:50,410 and he came in and ate the flowers. 559 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:51,983 Of course, what else? 560 00:21:52,011 --> 00:21:53,781 DICK: I said, "Get me clean flowers." 561 00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:57,453 I think he got them from a funeral house or something, 562 00:21:57,484 --> 00:21:59,454 'cause they tasted terrible. 563 00:21:59,486 --> 00:22:01,446 You didn't mean it... 564 00:22:01,488 --> 00:22:03,758 ROGER: I did have, to a certain extent, 565 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,790 a stock company, as much as you can. 566 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:07,985 Dick was one of my favorite actors. 567 00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,897 I always thought he was a brilliant actor. 568 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:12,129 One of his best friends, Jonathan Haze, 569 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:14,604 was among them, as well. 570 00:22:14,634 --> 00:22:16,704 HAZE: Well, I mean, I've heard that story. 571 00:22:16,736 --> 00:22:18,706 I've heard all about stock companies 572 00:22:18,738 --> 00:22:21,838 and the Corman Acting School and all that stuff. 573 00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:24,144 There wasn't any kind of any of that. 574 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:26,106 There was no stock company. 575 00:22:26,145 --> 00:22:29,775 There was no unified group of actors that were his group. 576 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:31,676 If you worked for him and he liked you, 577 00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:33,388 he'd use you again. 578 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:35,150 Except for Jackie and Jack Nicholson, 579 00:22:35,187 --> 00:22:37,157 we'd all worked together before. 580 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,159 Is this Doctor Forbes's office? 581 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,131 DEL VALLE: Dick Miller... 582 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,060 I thought his performance in A Bucket of Blood 583 00:22:44,096 --> 00:22:45,726 was every bit as good 584 00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:48,865 as Jack Nicholson's in The Little Shop of Horrors. 585 00:22:48,901 --> 00:22:50,601 Oh, my God, 586 00:22:50,637 --> 00:22:52,607 don't stop now! 587 00:22:52,639 --> 00:22:54,469 Hollywood is not based on talent. 588 00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:56,477 It's not based on anything other than being 589 00:22:56,509 --> 00:22:57,979 in the right place, at the right time, 590 00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:01,610 and having within you whatever that is that someone wants. 591 00:23:01,648 --> 00:23:04,118 It's all a matter of luck. 592 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,790 Little Shop of Horrors is interesting because, originally, 593 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:10,490 Roger wanted Dick to play the lead character 594 00:23:10,523 --> 00:23:12,023 and he felt, "I've already done that. 595 00:23:12,058 --> 00:23:14,028 Let Jonathan play it. Give me something else to do." 596 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,700 In a way, it seemed like a missed opportunity. 597 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:19,699 But maybe it sort of, in some peculiar way, 598 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:22,072 confirmed his decision that being the star of the movie 599 00:23:22,101 --> 00:23:25,641 isn't necessarily always the best thing to be. 600 00:23:25,672 --> 00:23:27,772 DICK: There wasn't a large pool of actors 601 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:32,777 that were ready to work for Roger Corman. 602 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,082 He worked like lightning. 603 00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:37,584 The only reason Roger did a second take 604 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:40,587 was if the camera fell over. 605 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:42,490 He did his best work 606 00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:44,522 in casting his pictures. 607 00:23:44,557 --> 00:23:46,127 And I think that when 608 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:48,058 a newcomer comin' along 609 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:49,664 did a good job for him, 610 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:51,956 he'd say, "Let's use him again." 611 00:23:51,998 --> 00:23:54,668 In the name of the government of France, 612 00:23:54,701 --> 00:23:56,641 I order you to open this door! 613 00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:03,237 Your pardon, young sir, I was at my devotions. 614 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:04,775 I did not hear you. 615 00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:06,081 I'm sorry, sir. 616 00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:09,082 But surely I made enough noise to awaken the dead. 617 00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:12,685 I don't what Jack really wanted to do at the beginning. 618 00:24:12,719 --> 00:24:14,149 Yes, Baron? 619 00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:16,686 Cognac, for our guest. 620 00:24:16,723 --> 00:24:18,993 Yes, Baron. 621 00:24:19,025 --> 00:24:21,485 DICK: He was ill-suited for the part. 622 00:24:21,528 --> 00:24:22,628 Right after that, 623 00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:26,272 he did some other pictures that he was marvelous in. 624 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:27,828 The legend goes that Roger wrapped 625 00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:29,097 The Raven three days early. 626 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:32,505 So he still had Karloff under contract for a couple of days 627 00:24:32,539 --> 00:24:33,839 and the sets were still standing. 628 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,843 So he decided to shoot another movie, 629 00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:37,005 right then and there. 630 00:24:37,043 --> 00:24:39,953 Even as a kid, I had no clue what that movie was about. 631 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,709 They didn't have a script. 632 00:24:41,748 --> 00:24:43,578 They would just scribble down a bunch of stuff. 633 00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:45,586 You know, Roger would have Boris 634 00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:46,888 walk across the room, 635 00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:48,859 change his jacket, and walk back. 636 00:24:48,888 --> 00:24:51,858 Karloff just walks through this movie in smoking jackets. 637 00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:53,961 [Imitating Karloff] "Where do you want me, Roger? 638 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,633 Three days is too much time." 639 00:24:56,663 --> 00:24:58,703 None of this was cutting together. 640 00:24:58,731 --> 00:25:00,171 DEL VALLE: When Karloff did The Terror, 641 00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:02,939 he said, "I never want to hear that man's name again." 642 00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:05,069 And I always thought that was funny. 643 00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:07,144 Because Vincent Price said, "Well, I hear it all the time, 644 00:25:07,173 --> 00:25:08,913 and I don't have a problem with it." 645 00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:10,741 But Boris was kind of cranky. 646 00:25:10,777 --> 00:25:12,847 Plus he had guys like Monte Hellman, 647 00:25:12,879 --> 00:25:14,679 and Francis Coppola, and Jack Hill 648 00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,284 out shooting second unit stuff. 649 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,145 Allow me to show you something... 650 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,754 One of the problems with the movie also was that, 651 00:25:20,787 --> 00:25:22,857 for a horror movie, 652 00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:24,919 it didn't really have the kind of scenes 653 00:25:24,957 --> 00:25:26,127 that you want for a horror movie. 654 00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:28,958 So I added in a scene where the Jonathan Haze character 655 00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:31,625 is up on top of the cliff. 656 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:33,904 Somehow I got the role of a deaf mute! 657 00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:36,343 HILL: This falcon comes down out of the sky, 658 00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:37,768 flies into his face, 659 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,644 and tears his eyes out. 660 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:41,812 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! 661 00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:43,611 So Jack Nicholson grabs Dick - 662 00:25:43,643 --> 00:25:44,683 "Alright! 663 00:25:44,711 --> 00:25:45,951 Tell me everything that's going on around here!" 664 00:25:45,978 --> 00:25:48,818 The Baron did return that night to find Eric with the Baroness, 665 00:25:48,848 --> 00:25:50,078 and he did kill her. 666 00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:51,916 SCHLESINGER: Then Dick spends the next minute and a half or so 667 00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:55,191 literally summarizing the entire plot up to that point, 668 00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:58,191 including things he could not possibly have known! 669 00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:00,194 But it got the audience up to speed 670 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:04,026 and made the picture half-way sensible. 671 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:04,763 Ahhh! 672 00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:05,967 HAZE: I liked that picture. 673 00:26:05,998 --> 00:26:09,698 I liked wearing all the weird costumes and being crazy. 674 00:26:09,736 --> 00:26:11,796 And it was good working with Boris Karloff, 675 00:26:11,838 --> 00:26:14,708 who was an old hero of mine. 676 00:26:14,741 --> 00:26:16,681 My thrill of a lifetime 677 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:18,649 was working with Boris Karloff. 678 00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:21,148 I think Karloff, Gable, and Cagney 679 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:24,850 were the three big giants I met in this business. 680 00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:26,954 You meet actors today, they're nice guys, 681 00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:28,956 but they're not giants. 682 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:30,958 KAPLAN: As much film history as he's seen, 683 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:32,960 and given where he started - 684 00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:34,962 with Jack Nicholson and that whole gang - 685 00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:37,964 You would expect to see some bitterness or something in him 686 00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:39,767 that a lot of the people around him 687 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,229 went on to make it big, 688 00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:44,737 and Dick is still playing the smaller roles. 689 00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:47,911 Write your thoughts down here and he will read them to you. 690 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,940 Just by pressing them against his forehead. 691 00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:52,136 Anything you want to write. Anything at all! 692 00:26:52,178 --> 00:26:54,208 How about my mother-in-law's will? 693 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:57,416 KAPLAN: He's a throwback to the studio system actors, you know? 694 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,249 LAINIE: I knew about whatever he was he was doing at the time, 695 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:02,386 but we were so involved 696 00:27:02,421 --> 00:27:04,721 in starting our relationship, 697 00:27:04,757 --> 00:27:07,057 I didn't really get involved 698 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:09,933 in knowing about his work. 699 00:27:13,232 --> 00:27:15,002 I saw my husband in 700 00:27:15,034 --> 00:27:16,904 War of the Satellites. 701 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:20,236 I was in the movie theatre with a fella I was dating. 702 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:22,912 I made one of those unforgivable, 703 00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:26,252 embarrassing, glib remarks at the time. 704 00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:30,918 I said, "That guy can put his shoes under my bed any time." 705 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:32,920 When I was 16, 706 00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:35,152 I wound up in California. 707 00:27:35,187 --> 00:27:37,217 And Dick came a little bit later 708 00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:39,886 and started working on his own career. 709 00:27:39,926 --> 00:27:41,786 And then he met Elaine, 710 00:27:41,828 --> 00:27:44,298 and he got outta my house. [Laughing] 711 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,130 Carla... 712 00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:49,295 I don't wanna make statues anymore. 713 00:27:49,335 --> 00:27:50,835 I wanna get married... 714 00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:52,170 to you. 715 00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:55,044 LAINIE: I came here when I was 17 and a half. 716 00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:58,754 Another actor introduced me to Dick in Schwabbs. 717 00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,048 I almost fell flat on my face 718 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,080 that I was meeting this guy, 719 00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:06,785 that I had seen a couple of years earlier 720 00:28:06,819 --> 00:28:09,259 in a picture. 721 00:28:09,288 --> 00:28:11,258 I met Dick 722 00:28:11,290 --> 00:28:13,790 in May 1959 723 00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:16,796 and we got married the following October - 724 00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:18,329 Five months. 725 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,870 GENE: It's a terribly good relationship. 726 00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:24,142 It's shown over the years. 727 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:26,070 She was in show business at the time. 728 00:28:26,105 --> 00:28:29,035 I'm trying to remember when I met Lainie. 729 00:28:29,075 --> 00:28:32,505 I think I knew that Lainie was in The Graduate 730 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,014 before I met her. 731 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:37,276 I think Dick had told me that that was her. 732 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:40,016 What do you want to know about The Graduate? 733 00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:41,352 I mean, I'm not Mike Nichols, 734 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:43,957 so I can't answer from his perspective. 735 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:45,960 He had seen something I did 736 00:28:45,992 --> 00:28:47,962 where I played a voodoo witch. 737 00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:51,464 He asked his production coordinator who that was 738 00:28:51,497 --> 00:28:53,297 and she looked and said, 739 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:55,202 "Oh my God, that's my neighbor!" 740 00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:56,874 And the next thing I know, 741 00:28:56,903 --> 00:28:58,303 she's knocking on my door saying, 742 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,937 "Mike Nichols wants you for The Graduate." 743 00:29:05,812 --> 00:29:07,982 MAN: Sit down! 744 00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:12,247 LAINIE: That's how it happened. 745 00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:16,264 I asked Dick, "Do you mind if I play a stripper?" 746 00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:19,528 It seems that I've gotten known for this 747 00:29:19,558 --> 00:29:23,128 little, itty-bitty role I did in The Graduate. 748 00:29:23,162 --> 00:29:26,832 Because, for its time, I suppose it was rather racy. 749 00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:28,426 But by today's standard, 750 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:30,467 it's just another dancer. 751 00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:37,476 This is a portrait I did of Dick 752 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:40,009 in 1966. 753 00:29:40,046 --> 00:29:41,876 INTERVIEWER: What inspired you to do it? 754 00:29:41,914 --> 00:29:43,024 Me! 755 00:29:43,049 --> 00:29:45,149 Who do you think? 756 00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:46,894 BILL: They love being with each other. 757 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:48,419 They love bickering with each other. 758 00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:50,294 They can have their own radio show. 759 00:29:50,322 --> 00:29:52,292 What do you mean? I don't know what it is. 760 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:56,004 That's what the trouble is for 55 years or whatever. 761 00:29:56,028 --> 00:29:58,198 What was our first argument? 762 00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:59,400 That's what I'm trying to argue about. 763 00:29:59,431 --> 00:30:02,501 Of course I understand that these two would be together. 764 00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:05,174 You didn't like what I made you for diner. 765 00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:06,874 I wouldn't even call it bickering. 766 00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:08,336 It's just sort of... 767 00:30:08,374 --> 00:30:09,444 Pork chops! 768 00:30:09,475 --> 00:30:11,105 Pork chops! Alright. 769 00:30:11,143 --> 00:30:12,583 No, it wasn't pork chops was it? 770 00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:14,111 DANTE: It's very funny, 771 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:16,446 in a sort of sitcom way. 772 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:19,922 She's never cooked anything since then. 773 00:30:19,952 --> 00:30:21,392 And you deserve it! 774 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:24,060 She has trouble boiling water. 775 00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,260 She doesn't know what temperature it boils at. 776 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,260 INTERVIEWER: What temperature does it? I don't know. 777 00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:42,111 LAINIE: As all actors can tell you, 778 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:45,581 it's not a gravy train all the way through. 779 00:30:45,611 --> 00:30:47,211 The foibles of being an actor - 780 00:30:47,246 --> 00:30:49,276 You just don't get that much work. 781 00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:51,945 DOEL: The first film that I actually worked on 782 00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:53,954 was in fact The Wild Angels. 783 00:30:53,986 --> 00:30:57,086 And that, I believe, was the first time I saw Dick Miller. 784 00:30:57,123 --> 00:30:58,423 Hey, what's the matter with you guys? 785 00:30:58,457 --> 00:31:00,087 You're supposed to be doing some work around here. 786 00:31:00,126 --> 00:31:01,586 Cool it, I'm just talking to my buddy. 787 00:31:01,627 --> 00:31:02,787 Yeah? Yeah. 788 00:31:02,828 --> 00:31:06,328 What's with the Iron Cross? You one of those dumb angels? 789 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:09,495 ANNOUNCER: Their intimacies - 790 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:11,595 A rape of decency... 791 00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:14,337 DOEL: Defiance of authority... 792 00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:16,383 Not trusting people over 30... 793 00:31:16,408 --> 00:31:19,048 I think Roger responded to that, 794 00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:21,308 because, even though he didn't hang out 795 00:31:21,347 --> 00:31:23,017 with the counter-culture - 796 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:24,579 really except for purposes of research - 797 00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:27,446 I think he had some instinctive sympathy 798 00:31:27,486 --> 00:31:31,086 with the idea of mistrust of authority, 799 00:31:31,123 --> 00:31:33,393 which is something he had very strongly. 800 00:31:33,425 --> 00:31:35,085 ANNOUNCER: Their emblems - 801 00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:37,097 Those of the defeated, the despised... 802 00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,099 I didn't see it happening. 803 00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:41,671 To me, a job was a job... 804 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,440 Kasch, Kasch. This is Paul. 805 00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:45,139 How you doin'? Good to meet ya. 806 00:31:45,171 --> 00:31:46,341 LAINIE: At that particular point, 807 00:31:46,372 --> 00:31:49,382 he was more playing the establishment roles 808 00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:53,008 and they were playing the anti-establishment roles. 809 00:31:53,045 --> 00:31:54,545 I don't know whether it amused him, 810 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,550 I don't know whether it interested him at all, 811 00:31:56,582 --> 00:31:59,422 but he definitely wasn't part of it, I never felt. 812 00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:02,321 Listen, I'll tell you something now. 813 00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:03,994 The pay in those days was, I think, 814 00:32:04,023 --> 00:32:06,433 300 or 350 dollars a week. 815 00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:09,028 I remember telling my daughter once - 816 00:32:09,061 --> 00:32:10,701 We were talking about money, 817 00:32:10,729 --> 00:32:15,029 and I said, "I've gotten by on 15 for the year!" 818 00:32:15,067 --> 00:32:18,067 She said that $15,000 was a lot of money. 819 00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:19,644 I said, "Wait a second, wait a second - 820 00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:23,041 $1,500." 821 00:32:23,075 --> 00:32:25,605 She said, "You made five pictures!" 822 00:32:25,644 --> 00:32:27,354 I said, "That's right." 823 00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:29,549 There just wasn't any money. 824 00:32:29,581 --> 00:32:31,981 LAINIE: There were a couple of years 825 00:32:32,018 --> 00:32:34,518 when so little came into the house 826 00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:36,463 from Dick's acting 827 00:32:36,488 --> 00:32:39,458 and from me going to school... 828 00:32:39,491 --> 00:32:41,331 BILL: I remember, in those days, 829 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,030 when I first went out to California, 830 00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:45,202 Dick never wanted to leave the house. 831 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:46,471 I had a lot of agents. 832 00:32:46,498 --> 00:32:48,568 They didn't do a thing for me. 833 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,040 BILL: And he never even wanted to go 10 or 15 minutes way, 834 00:32:52,071 --> 00:32:55,111 because he was afraid he'd miss a call. 835 00:32:55,141 --> 00:32:58,211 When I got a call, I got a part. 836 00:32:58,244 --> 00:33:00,214 Tell us, Miss Campbell, 837 00:33:00,246 --> 00:33:02,546 did you ever dream of being a star in those days? 838 00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:04,551 I used to dream about getting away 839 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,553 from Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire. 840 00:33:06,585 --> 00:33:09,185 BILL: I remember, maybe 40 years ago, 841 00:33:09,221 --> 00:33:11,191 35 years ago maybe, 842 00:33:11,223 --> 00:33:14,493 he wasn't getting as many parts as he deserved. 843 00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:16,726 Gene was the coroner of Orange County 844 00:33:16,762 --> 00:33:19,232 and he got him some interviews. 845 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:21,465 Dick resisted it in the worst way. 846 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,100 Eventually, he said, "Alright, I'll go to the interviews." 847 00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:26,767 And they set up the interviews 848 00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:29,075 and Dick just never showed up. 849 00:33:29,108 --> 00:33:30,178 [Laughs] 850 00:33:30,209 --> 00:33:32,239 I don't know whether I should laugh at that or not. 851 00:33:32,278 --> 00:33:34,748 Dick is the type of person that does not want to do 852 00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:36,580 what he doesn't want to do. 853 00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:38,475 Not that he didn't do what he didn't want to do, 854 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:40,247 but he knew what he did want to do - 855 00:33:40,286 --> 00:33:41,716 And he wanted to be an actor. 856 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:44,663 And he didn't care if he was going through a dry spot 857 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:47,560 or he wasn't getting called upon in those days. 858 00:33:47,593 --> 00:33:49,263 He was just going to wait it out, 859 00:33:49,295 --> 00:33:50,655 and do what he wanted to do, 860 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:52,826 'cause he knew what was best for himself. 861 00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:54,474 GENE: It wasn't easy. 862 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,470 And it never is, I think. 863 00:33:56,502 --> 00:33:57,802 I think the fact that he was liked 864 00:33:57,836 --> 00:34:00,666 by producers and directors helped him, though. 865 00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:03,336 We couldn't afford vacations, the truth is. 866 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:06,305 The very first time we did 867 00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:09,575 anything that resembled a vacation 868 00:34:09,615 --> 00:34:13,245 was when he making The Long Ride Home and I came. 869 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:16,255 You've hurt yourself more than once on a picture, 870 00:34:16,288 --> 00:34:17,758 doing stunts. 871 00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:19,289 DICK: I get hurt. 872 00:34:19,325 --> 00:34:21,285 On The Long Ride Home, 873 00:34:21,327 --> 00:34:24,597 I busted my tailbone early in the picture. 874 00:34:24,630 --> 00:34:28,470 Did some very, very fancy riding after that. 875 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:35,211 DOEL: Roger had a deal at Columbia 876 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,541 and was preparing to shoot a western, 877 00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:40,406 with Robert Towne re-writing the script. 878 00:34:42,481 --> 00:34:45,121 This script was not The Magnificent Seven. 879 00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:46,621 [Laugh] 880 00:34:49,788 --> 00:34:53,428 It soon turned out that there were some very serious people 881 00:34:53,459 --> 00:34:56,629 who thought they were doing Shakespeare. 882 00:34:58,464 --> 00:35:01,904 The company broke into two camps... 883 00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:03,903 There were the Union soldiers 884 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:05,895 and the Rebs. 885 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,907 And that's why, to this day, 886 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:10,739 I'm friends with Dick Miller. 887 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:14,406 We stayed in a town that had as many churches as bars 888 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:17,416 and there were about 20 shootings every weekend. 889 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,749 The experience was - 890 00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:23,285 How many things on a movie can be made difficult? 891 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:30,431 One of the things that may have been a sign early on - 892 00:35:30,462 --> 00:35:32,762 Every day, there would be memos sent around 893 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,228 from the Columbia Production Department 894 00:35:35,267 --> 00:35:38,597 listing such things as the equipment that would be sent. 895 00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:43,239 And Roger would study these lists very carefully 896 00:35:43,275 --> 00:35:45,235 and he would instruct me sometimes 897 00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:46,807 to strike things off. 898 00:35:46,845 --> 00:35:48,445 "Two generators? 899 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,850 I assume if they send a generator to the location, 900 00:35:51,883 --> 00:35:54,623 it's going to work!" 901 00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:56,693 DICK: I remember all the suits came out 902 00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:58,692 and I said, "What's going on?" 903 00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:01,894 And they said, "He's getting chewed out up there." 904 00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:05,926 PETERSEN: Roger wanted some freedom. 905 00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:08,574 He didn't want to move 30 pieces of equipment 906 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,440 to get the shot he wanted. 907 00:36:10,469 --> 00:36:12,399 It was a new way to make a picture, 908 00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:14,668 and, frankly, I agreed with him. 909 00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:17,806 DOEL: The Columbia guys were worried that Roger, 910 00:36:17,843 --> 00:36:19,683 from his AIP, 911 00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:22,351 low budget, exploitation background, 912 00:36:22,381 --> 00:36:25,881 was going to make a cheap-looking movie. 913 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,689 DICK: "Don't go up there. 914 00:36:29,721 --> 00:36:31,691 You're gonna pass these guys in the suits 915 00:36:31,723 --> 00:36:33,393 and they'll remember you!" 916 00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:34,425 And all kinds of panic. 917 00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:35,730 I said, "Ah, bull!" 918 00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:37,431 And I did pass a guy on the stairs. 919 00:36:37,463 --> 00:36:38,733 "Are you on this picture?" 920 00:36:38,764 --> 00:36:40,934 I said, "Yeah, I think so..." 921 00:36:44,336 --> 00:36:46,636 PETERSEN: And we had the directorial change - 922 00:36:46,672 --> 00:36:49,712 the sudden and abrupt dismissal of Roger Corman - 923 00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:52,241 which I didn't support then. 924 00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:53,748 And I still argue to this day 925 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:56,579 he was going to make a better picture than we deserved. 926 00:36:56,615 --> 00:36:58,845 DOEL: He was bent on bringing in the movie 927 00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:00,494 on time and on budget - 928 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,289 even under budget - 929 00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:03,621 and he simply assumed that 930 00:37:03,655 --> 00:37:06,625 they would like it if he did that. 931 00:37:06,658 --> 00:37:09,328 DICK: He went off and did another picture. 932 00:37:09,361 --> 00:37:10,461 Hello, boys. 933 00:37:10,496 --> 00:37:13,866 Something I can do for you? Yeah, you can shut up. 934 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,369 He didn't miss a beat. 935 00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:19,411 [Gunfire] 936 00:37:29,415 --> 00:37:30,675 DICK: I was writing. 937 00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:32,346 I wasn't selling too much. 938 00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:33,954 And at that point, 939 00:37:33,985 --> 00:37:35,485 becoming an actor, 940 00:37:35,521 --> 00:37:37,791 I just gave up the writing. 941 00:37:37,823 --> 00:37:39,763 Not entirely, but I decided, 942 00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:42,691 "I'm concentrating on something else now." 943 00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:45,298 I sold a couple of scripts. 944 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:47,501 I remember "Which Way To The Front?" 945 00:37:47,533 --> 00:37:49,373 with Jerry Lewis - 946 00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,701 One of the sore spots of my career. 947 00:37:51,737 --> 00:37:53,467 One of my first moviegoing experiences 948 00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:55,805 was being taken to see a film 949 00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:57,481 called "Which Way To The Front?" 950 00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:58,639 with Jerry Lewis. 951 00:37:58,677 --> 00:38:01,077 It might actually be Jerry Lewis' last studio picture. 952 00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,982 Yaaa-vwaoit! 953 00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:04,424 It has a great plot - 954 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:06,320 just really weird execution. 955 00:38:06,352 --> 00:38:08,522 Fuehrer! 956 00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,394 An acquaintance of mine, who was an actor, 957 00:38:11,423 --> 00:38:12,563 he had worked for Jerry, I guess, 958 00:38:12,591 --> 00:38:14,031 and he bought my script. 959 00:38:14,059 --> 00:38:16,599 And, little by little, I started hearing about it. 960 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:17,858 The studio bought it, 961 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:19,096 and all of a sudden they announced it 962 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:20,800 and it was in the trades... 963 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:22,802 And I saw my name's not on there. 964 00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:24,574 And I took it to the guild, 965 00:38:24,603 --> 00:38:26,573 and we had a hearing, 966 00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:28,065 and I got my credit for it. 967 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:29,876 I love it! I love it! 968 00:38:29,908 --> 00:38:31,408 What they did was 969 00:38:31,443 --> 00:38:32,813 they had a re-write on it, 970 00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:36,524 and they changed the battle from 971 00:38:36,548 --> 00:38:38,878 the Pacific Islands to Germany. 972 00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:44,717 [**] 973 00:38:44,756 --> 00:38:46,556 KARASZEWSKI: I like to forgive Jerry Lewis 974 00:38:46,592 --> 00:38:48,732 only because I find that it's so watchable. 975 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,460 Even when it's a car crash, it's really watchable. 976 00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:53,997 Well, it was funny for a Jerry Lewis picture. 977 00:38:56,502 --> 00:38:58,102 BEHR: It's a tough business, 978 00:38:58,136 --> 00:38:59,636 and its full of hopes, 979 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:01,571 and dreams, and disappointments. 980 00:39:01,607 --> 00:39:04,377 I think that Dick has gone through a lot, 981 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:06,380 and because of that, 982 00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:07,852 I don't think he allows himself 983 00:39:07,879 --> 00:39:09,919 to be totally accessible. 984 00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:12,078 LAINIE: He had a couch and a Murphy Bed. 985 00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:13,587 When we got married, 986 00:39:13,619 --> 00:39:15,389 we just kept all of that stuff - 987 00:39:15,421 --> 00:39:16,861 'Cause I came from Canada. 988 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,018 What did I have? 989 00:39:18,056 --> 00:39:19,456 He had his typewriter. 990 00:39:19,491 --> 00:39:21,791 That was his main possession. 991 00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:24,157 DICK: I was just staying alive, 992 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:25,725 making movies. 993 00:39:25,764 --> 00:39:27,704 I think I must have been in four or five pictures 994 00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:30,443 before I realized I was a movie actor. 995 00:39:30,469 --> 00:39:32,639 I'm still trying to sell scripts... 996 00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:33,871 Wasn't selling. 997 00:39:33,905 --> 00:39:35,735 KARASZEWSKI: He seems to have come out here to be a writer 998 00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:37,814 and sort of ignored it completely 999 00:39:37,843 --> 00:39:40,883 until, for some reason, around 1970 - 1000 00:39:40,912 --> 00:39:42,882 Which he gets two writing credits. 1001 00:39:42,914 --> 00:39:44,784 He gets a writing credit on a western 1002 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:46,616 called Four Rode Out, or something. 1003 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:47,752 It's with Sue Lyon. 1004 00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:50,156 He does that and the Jerry Lewis movie back-to-back. 1005 00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:52,158 Maybe working for Jerry Lewis 1006 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,560 makes you give it up completely. 1007 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,058 BEHR: It didn't really hit me until the first time 1008 00:39:59,097 --> 00:40:02,697 that I was invited to Dick and Lainie's house. 1009 00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:04,774 And the two things that I discovered there 1010 00:40:04,803 --> 00:40:07,213 were the photos of Dick, 1011 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:09,708 with the big lions, and the cats, 1012 00:40:09,741 --> 00:40:12,181 and I realized how much they loved animals. 1013 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,580 And then there was this art... 1014 00:40:17,148 --> 00:40:20,948 DICK: That is kind of a strange little face. 1015 00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:24,186 What's this? 1016 00:40:24,222 --> 00:40:26,062 Here's an interesting thing... 1017 00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:28,891 What have you got? It's a thing I made! 1018 00:40:31,497 --> 00:40:34,927 DICK: They're all made about 50 years ago, really. 1019 00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:36,696 INTERVIEWER: Did you draw a lot? 1020 00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:38,895 I drew constantly. 1021 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:40,937 I drew thousands of pictures. 1022 00:40:40,972 --> 00:40:43,642 These are the few that are left. 1023 00:40:43,675 --> 00:40:46,205 "The Family of Man." 1024 00:40:46,244 --> 00:40:48,654 INTERVIEWER: They seem sexual. 1025 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,950 DICK: I believe all my pictures are sexual. 1026 00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:53,492 I just like life that way... 1027 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,489 If I drew girls - 1028 00:40:55,521 --> 00:40:56,821 They loved it when I drew them. 1029 00:40:56,855 --> 00:40:59,015 Or else it was strictly from my imagination. 1030 00:41:04,095 --> 00:41:06,495 INTERVIEWER: Was there a particular part of the anatomy 1031 00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:08,232 that you liked drawing? 1032 00:41:08,266 --> 00:41:10,096 DICK: Well, God, no! 1033 00:41:10,135 --> 00:41:12,235 I guess, as I got working as an actor, 1034 00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:15,540 the need to draw disappeared. 1035 00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:18,184 I got a job once, The Andersonville Trial, 1036 00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:21,179 because I could draw... 1037 00:41:21,212 --> 00:41:23,252 Oh God, there - 1038 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:25,251 That was the set. 1039 00:41:25,283 --> 00:41:26,793 I'm George C. Scott. 1040 00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:28,118 It's my happy job this evening 1041 00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:31,523 to give you an improvisational introduction 1042 00:41:31,557 --> 00:41:33,857 to The Andersonville Trial - 1043 00:41:33,892 --> 00:41:35,832 a play by Saul Levit. 1044 00:41:35,861 --> 00:41:37,731 I asked George C. Scott - 1045 00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:38,803 he was the director at the time. 1046 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:41,770 I think it one of the first things he directed. 1047 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,540 I asked him, "Were there many lines?" 1048 00:41:43,569 --> 00:41:45,039 He said, "Not too many at all. 1049 00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:47,210 You're playing a court reporter." 1050 00:41:47,238 --> 00:41:50,638 And I drew a picture of him in about two seconds flat. 1051 00:41:50,676 --> 00:41:51,976 I said, "You mean like this?" 1052 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:53,850 "Oh yeah, that's good!" 1053 00:41:58,049 --> 00:41:59,889 I remember, when I was a kid, 1054 00:41:59,918 --> 00:42:03,558 a guy came over from Disney to my mother. 1055 00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:05,559 He wanted to stick me in pictures. 1056 00:42:05,591 --> 00:42:06,561 I didn't know that. 1057 00:42:06,592 --> 00:42:08,962 I thought he was going to make me an animator. 1058 00:42:08,994 --> 00:42:10,334 I said, "Yeah, I wanna do that! 1059 00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:11,701 I wanna do that!" 1060 00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:12,830 He told me, "You're gonna be an actor." 1061 00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:14,704 I said, "Nah, I don't wanna do that." 1062 00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:16,003 Who knew? 1063 00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:17,104 You want a portrait of yourself? 1064 00:42:17,135 --> 00:42:20,005 He'll make it for you in pen and ink in ten minutes. 1065 00:42:20,038 --> 00:42:21,908 BILL: Dick and my father had 1066 00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:24,080 a little bit of an interesting relationship. 1067 00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:26,809 If you ask Gene about the early childhood - 1068 00:42:26,845 --> 00:42:28,745 "Oh, it was perfectly fine! 1069 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:31,650 It was perfectly fine!" So... 1070 00:42:31,683 --> 00:42:32,923 GENE: He was a nice guy, 1071 00:42:32,951 --> 00:42:35,221 but very much involved in his own life, 1072 00:42:35,253 --> 00:42:36,823 his own affairs. 1073 00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:39,755 Both Dick and I would see him occasionally, 1074 00:42:39,791 --> 00:42:41,291 and go to lunch or something, 1075 00:42:41,326 --> 00:42:43,796 and that was really about it. 1076 00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:46,129 BILL: When I was about 17, 18 years old, 1077 00:42:46,164 --> 00:42:49,004 my father put me on an airplane with him. 1078 00:42:50,836 --> 00:42:52,936 We were going to California, 1079 00:42:52,971 --> 00:42:55,071 and he said, "You're gonna meet some people 1080 00:42:55,106 --> 00:42:57,336 who are gonna call me dad." 1081 00:42:57,375 --> 00:43:00,345 And I met Dick and Gene. 1082 00:43:00,378 --> 00:43:04,018 You know, my father had a drawer in his apartment. 1083 00:43:04,049 --> 00:43:05,819 And he had some pictures of Dick 1084 00:43:05,851 --> 00:43:07,691 in a movie called Rock All Night 1085 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,219 where he was on the back of Variety. 1086 00:43:09,254 --> 00:43:11,094 And there was pictures of Gene in the Navy. 1087 00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:14,262 You know, these guys look so much like my father 1088 00:43:14,292 --> 00:43:17,362 that, even as a young kid, 1089 00:43:17,395 --> 00:43:19,255 I said, "Something weird here..." 1090 00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:22,027 But, you know, Brooklyn has its own vibe. 1091 00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:25,167 DICK: I knew about Bill from the very beginning. 1092 00:43:25,203 --> 00:43:27,713 I didn't know that Bill didn't know about me. 1093 00:43:27,739 --> 00:43:30,709 I first saw Bill when I got out of the Navy 1094 00:43:30,742 --> 00:43:32,842 and went home to see my mother and Dick. 1095 00:43:32,878 --> 00:43:34,378 And I went up to see my father 1096 00:43:34,412 --> 00:43:36,882 and Bill was his child, 1097 00:43:36,915 --> 00:43:39,275 sittin' in a high chair... 1098 00:43:41,152 --> 00:43:42,852 BILL: But Dick will never admit it. 1099 00:43:42,888 --> 00:43:44,858 He doesn't have the most positive thoughts 1100 00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:47,860 about my father. 1101 00:43:47,893 --> 00:43:50,103 DICK: My father, our relationship was - 1102 00:43:50,128 --> 00:43:51,858 I didn't see him that much. 1103 00:43:51,897 --> 00:43:54,267 Me? I was the perpetual bum. 1104 00:43:54,299 --> 00:43:56,299 LAINIE: He really didn't have any respect 1105 00:43:56,334 --> 00:43:58,904 for show business whatsoever, his father. 1106 00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:02,739 BILL: He was born in Russia in the 1890s 1107 00:44:02,774 --> 00:44:04,444 and he came during World War I. 1108 00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:06,405 I don't know if he was a Socialist, 1109 00:44:06,444 --> 00:44:09,684 but times were different then. 1110 00:44:09,715 --> 00:44:11,075 My father was a fighter, 1111 00:44:11,116 --> 00:44:14,416 a little bit like Dick, ya know? 1112 00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:15,752 My father had a temper, 1113 00:44:15,787 --> 00:44:17,957 and he didn't suffer fools gladly, 1114 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:20,889 and Dick doesn't suffer fools gladly. 1115 00:44:20,926 --> 00:44:24,226 So sometimes when people have a lot in common, 1116 00:44:24,262 --> 00:44:26,902 there's certainly more issues between them. 1117 00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:28,102 Though, God forbid, 1118 00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,873 if Dick thought I was psychoanalyzing him, 1119 00:44:29,901 --> 00:44:32,801 he'd think I was completely crazy. 1120 00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:36,038 My father, I know, was very proud of Dick. 1121 00:44:36,074 --> 00:44:39,244 He really was very proud of Dick. 1122 00:44:39,277 --> 00:44:42,177 You know, if Dick came from the perfect family - 1123 00:44:42,213 --> 00:44:45,183 I dunno, maybe he woulda been an accountant. 1124 00:44:45,216 --> 00:44:48,316 Though that's hard to believe, right? 1125 00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:50,323 When Roger started New World Pictures, 1126 00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:54,025 he sort of updated the exploitation formula 1127 00:44:54,059 --> 00:44:57,499 that he first worked with at AIP in the 50s. 1128 00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:59,128 And this is now the 70s. 1129 00:44:59,164 --> 00:45:01,134 So now things were a little grittier. 1130 00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:02,796 The screen was a little more freer. 1131 00:45:02,834 --> 00:45:04,144 The marvel of all this is that 1132 00:45:04,169 --> 00:45:07,139 the young guys that Roger hired, 1133 00:45:07,172 --> 00:45:10,182 they all were fans of the early Corman films. 1134 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:11,808 They'd grown up on those films 1135 00:45:11,843 --> 00:45:13,043 and now they were working for him. 1136 00:45:13,078 --> 00:45:17,478 Dick Miller had somehow fallen out of the Corman Universe. 1137 00:45:17,515 --> 00:45:21,115 He hadn't been in a Corman picture for about four years 1138 00:45:21,152 --> 00:45:24,092 and he'd never been in a New World Picture. 1139 00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:26,492 I think it was because Roger had stopped directing 1140 00:45:26,524 --> 00:45:28,464 and so he wasn't casting. 1141 00:45:28,493 --> 00:45:30,333 I thought it was really wonderful 1142 00:45:30,361 --> 00:45:33,131 that the new young directors who came in 1143 00:45:33,164 --> 00:45:36,374 recognized the guys who had been working with me, 1144 00:45:36,401 --> 00:45:38,971 and they continued working with them. 1145 00:45:39,004 --> 00:45:41,444 And Dick was probably the most important. 1146 00:45:41,472 --> 00:45:43,912 JULIE: I first became very clearly aware 1147 00:45:43,942 --> 00:45:46,412 of Dick Miller as a presence 1148 00:45:46,444 --> 00:45:49,514 when I started making films with New World. 1149 00:45:49,547 --> 00:45:52,947 In fact, I used to read a treatment or a script 1150 00:45:52,984 --> 00:45:55,854 and say, "Wait, where's the Dick Miller part?" 1151 00:45:55,887 --> 00:45:57,917 You know, Dick is sort of a laid back guy 1152 00:45:57,956 --> 00:45:59,986 in the sense that he never 1153 00:46:00,025 --> 00:46:02,525 went out to seek work. 1154 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,200 It either came to him 1155 00:46:04,229 --> 00:46:07,069 or he didn't get work. 1156 00:46:07,098 --> 00:46:09,528 I went to film school with Jon at NYU. 1157 00:46:09,567 --> 00:46:11,167 And I knew of Joe 1158 00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:13,272 because Joe and Jon were very good friends. 1159 00:46:13,304 --> 00:46:15,274 Jon and I not only went to film school together, 1160 00:46:15,306 --> 00:46:17,436 but we worked at a rock 'n' roll theatre together, 1161 00:46:17,475 --> 00:46:19,275 along with Jonathan Kaplan. 1162 00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:22,110 And when Jonathan and Jon came out to Los Angeles 1163 00:46:22,147 --> 00:46:23,877 to work for Roger Corman, 1164 00:46:23,915 --> 00:46:25,115 I came out eventually 1165 00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:26,890 and lived in their houses for free, 1166 00:46:26,918 --> 00:46:27,988 and slept in their garage, 1167 00:46:28,019 --> 00:46:30,819 and all that kinda stuff you did when you were broke. 1168 00:46:30,856 --> 00:46:32,816 Jonathan cast Dick in - 1169 00:46:32,858 --> 00:46:34,858 I guess it was Night Call Nurses. 1170 00:46:34,893 --> 00:46:36,163 ANNOUNCER: Come and spend the night 1171 00:46:36,194 --> 00:46:38,064 with The Night Call Nurses. 1172 00:46:38,096 --> 00:46:41,066 They nurse patients the way no doctor can. 1173 00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:43,029 From New World Pictures... 1174 00:46:43,068 --> 00:46:44,998 ARKUSH: Essentially, Jonathan got the first job 1175 00:46:45,036 --> 00:46:46,296 and brought everyone else along. 1176 00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:48,207 When Jonathan Kaplan gave me the chance 1177 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,009 to write Night Call Nurses with Dan Opatashu, 1178 00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:52,312 I was thrilled. 1179 00:46:52,343 --> 00:46:54,513 I mean, that was the biggest break of my life. 1180 00:46:54,545 --> 00:46:57,175 And I said, "Do me a favor - Hire Dick Miller. 1181 00:46:57,215 --> 00:46:59,345 I'll write him a part for the picture." 1182 00:46:59,384 --> 00:47:04,194 [**] 1183 00:47:04,222 --> 00:47:05,522 I don't know how smart it is 1184 00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:07,886 for a young lady to be hitchhiking alone at night. 1185 00:47:07,926 --> 00:47:09,386 KAPLAN: When Dick walked in the room, 1186 00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:12,197 it was like, "Oh, I know this guy!" 1187 00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:14,000 So when he came in to audition, 1188 00:47:14,032 --> 00:47:16,002 he was a little put off. 1189 00:47:16,034 --> 00:47:17,144 I don't audition good. 1190 00:47:17,168 --> 00:47:18,998 KAPLAN: He said, "I don't audition. I read terribly. 1191 00:47:19,037 --> 00:47:20,307 I'm a terrible reader." 1192 00:47:20,338 --> 00:47:22,308 I didn't know who Jonathan Kaplan was at the time. 1193 00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:24,210 I'm gonna read this, and you're gonna say to me, 1194 00:47:24,242 --> 00:47:25,642 when I'm done, "That was terrible." 1195 00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:26,636 Good director. 1196 00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:28,477 He was right! 1197 00:47:28,513 --> 00:47:29,883 He can't audition. 1198 00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:31,245 But you got the part anyway. 1199 00:47:31,282 --> 00:47:33,522 LAINIE: Everybody from the Corman camp, they said, 1200 00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:36,891 "If Dick worked for Roger, he could work for us!" 1201 00:47:36,922 --> 00:47:38,992 My ass! 1202 00:47:39,024 --> 00:47:41,394 Hey Gallager, kiss my jolly! 1203 00:47:41,426 --> 00:47:44,096 Dick Miller became their good luck charm. 1204 00:47:44,129 --> 00:47:45,399 He's definitely a good luck charm. 1205 00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:47,600 They used him in every movie they ever did. 1206 00:47:47,632 --> 00:47:48,672 If you're talking about 1207 00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:50,039 what I think you're talking about, 1208 00:47:50,068 --> 00:47:51,238 I ain't gonna talk about it! 1209 00:47:51,269 --> 00:47:53,969 WORONOV: They prayed and hoped that he would, once again, 1210 00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:56,265 pull them through a crappy movie. 1211 00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,977 He has a Jimmy Cagney kind of rhythm to his delivery. 1212 00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:00,650 Well, he had a gun. 1213 00:48:00,678 --> 00:48:02,978 He said he was going to shoot my ear off - That ain't nice. 1214 00:48:03,014 --> 00:48:04,284 Sheriff... 1215 00:48:04,315 --> 00:48:05,545 SAYLES: Most good directors, 1216 00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:08,253 the first thing they do is see what the actors are going to do, 1217 00:48:08,286 --> 00:48:10,586 because they may do something the director hadn't thought of. 1218 00:48:10,621 --> 00:48:12,991 He's dumb enough to get married. Twice! 1219 00:48:13,024 --> 00:48:14,494 You saw the first one... 1220 00:48:18,329 --> 00:48:20,269 DAVISON: I think Roger has 1221 00:48:20,298 --> 00:48:22,528 a genuine affection for Dick, 1222 00:48:22,567 --> 00:48:25,367 as much as he has an affection for anybody. 1223 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:28,373 Especially if Dick works for scale - 1224 00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:30,936 Then the affection is definitely there. 1225 00:48:30,976 --> 00:48:32,276 DANTE: When I came out to Hollywood, 1226 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:34,950 Jon Davison was the head of publicity 1227 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,280 for New World Pictures, 1228 00:48:36,314 --> 00:48:38,554 and he had raided the NYU group 1229 00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:40,553 and brought them out to work for Roger. 1230 00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:41,685 And so Allan Arkush and I 1231 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,689 became the trailer department at New World Pictures. 1232 00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:45,191 They were kind of wild men 1233 00:48:45,223 --> 00:48:47,633 who came up with these crazy ideas. 1234 00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:50,228 ANNOUNCER: Flying out of the skies and onto your lap... 1235 00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:53,101 They battle the flying feet of kung-fu killers! 1236 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,329 DANTE: One of the first trailers that we did 1237 00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,037 was for Big Bad Mama. 1238 00:48:58,069 --> 00:49:01,209 ANNOUNCER: Angie Dickinson is Big Bad Mama! 1239 00:49:03,008 --> 00:49:05,378 Wilma gave her daughters everything... 1240 00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:07,050 DANTE: Dick is in the movie, and I thought, 1241 00:49:07,078 --> 00:49:09,448 "This is a kind of rough and tough gangster kind of picture 1242 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,150 and Dick's got that kinda voice. 1243 00:49:11,182 --> 00:49:12,452 Maybe we should get him to do the narration?" 1244 00:49:12,483 --> 00:49:15,123 ANNOUNCER: Big Bad Mama, rated R. 1245 00:49:15,153 --> 00:49:17,723 Working at New World Pictures was a lot of fun. 1246 00:49:17,755 --> 00:49:23,025 [**] 1247 00:49:23,061 --> 00:49:24,331 BEYDA: There was definitely structure, 1248 00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:26,032 but it was also very free wheeling, 1249 00:49:26,064 --> 00:49:27,374 because everybody was quite young 1250 00:49:27,398 --> 00:49:29,068 and just getting started. 1251 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,200 It was a very exciting time. 1252 00:49:31,236 --> 00:49:34,206 I met Dick Miller in Griffith Park in 1975. 1253 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,469 I got a job from Jonathan Demme - 1254 00:49:36,507 --> 00:49:38,077 Crazy Mama. 1255 00:49:38,109 --> 00:49:39,479 It was produced by Julie Corman. 1256 00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:41,210 JULIE: He brought more than his performance, 1257 00:49:41,246 --> 00:49:43,506 which was always wonderful to look at. 1258 00:49:43,548 --> 00:49:46,218 I mean, Dick Miller arrives in whatever scene. 1259 00:49:46,251 --> 00:49:48,221 And he brought a certain presence to the film. 1260 00:49:48,253 --> 00:49:49,693 "He's coming tomorrow! He's gonna work tomorrow!" 1261 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:50,690 Ya know? 1262 00:49:50,721 --> 00:49:52,121 And people who weren't even working that day 1263 00:49:52,157 --> 00:49:53,457 would show up to see Dick Miller. 1264 00:49:53,491 --> 00:49:55,131 The main thing is the film. 1265 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,030 You're all there to make a good film. 1266 00:49:57,062 --> 00:49:58,462 Did you do good? Were you articulate? 1267 00:49:58,496 --> 00:50:00,026 Did you tell the story in a good way? 1268 00:50:00,065 --> 00:50:01,225 Is it new? 1269 00:50:01,266 --> 00:50:02,696 Did it extend the tradition? 1270 00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:04,243 Every part counts. 1271 00:50:04,269 --> 00:50:05,539 It's like poetry - 1272 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:07,740 Each thing adds up to the whole. 1273 00:50:09,574 --> 00:50:12,514 There were very few film schools in those days, 1274 00:50:12,543 --> 00:50:14,483 so, for us, this was our way 1275 00:50:14,512 --> 00:50:17,482 of really learning our trade. 1276 00:50:17,515 --> 00:50:20,485 DOEL: When I realized that these first-time directors - 1277 00:50:20,518 --> 00:50:22,488 It was very important for them 1278 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,790 to have an actor on the set 1279 00:50:24,822 --> 00:50:27,632 who was good, who they admired, 1280 00:50:27,658 --> 00:50:31,298 and that they could absolutely rely on. 1281 00:50:31,329 --> 00:50:34,629 I found myself not having to direct him a lot. 1282 00:50:34,665 --> 00:50:37,295 There was no need to do other takes. 1283 00:50:37,335 --> 00:50:39,495 He made the scenes work. 1284 00:50:39,537 --> 00:50:42,237 When he walked in, I started smiling. 1285 00:50:42,273 --> 00:50:45,543 Here was a guy that I never met before, 1286 00:50:45,576 --> 00:50:48,446 and yet I felt like I knew him for years. 1287 00:50:50,715 --> 00:50:53,815 DOEL: When I really had more to do with Dick Miller 1288 00:50:53,851 --> 00:50:55,591 was when Roger hired him 1289 00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:58,290 to write the script for TNT Jackson. 1290 00:50:58,323 --> 00:50:59,863 The thing was a stinker. 1291 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:07,400 [Fighting and shouting] 1292 00:51:07,432 --> 00:51:09,872 I think Roger and I had a slight argument - 1293 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,870 "Go in to meet with Roger." 1294 00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,442 It just fell apart. 1295 00:51:13,471 --> 00:51:16,341 "Dick, this all just dialogue! 1296 00:51:16,374 --> 00:51:18,214 This is terrible!" 1297 00:51:18,243 --> 00:51:19,843 I'll pay you hard cash for raw heroin 1298 00:51:19,877 --> 00:51:21,577 any day at those prices. 1299 00:51:21,612 --> 00:51:23,612 And I was supposed to do the lead in it. 1300 00:51:23,648 --> 00:51:26,378 When we wrote dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, 1301 00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:27,847 it was with the understanding 1302 00:51:27,885 --> 00:51:29,445 that you may not need all of it - 1303 00:51:29,487 --> 00:51:30,687 But you may need some. 1304 00:51:30,721 --> 00:51:33,221 The re-write was about 90% of the picture. 1305 00:51:33,258 --> 00:51:35,288 The reader needs some dialogue sometimes 1306 00:51:35,326 --> 00:51:38,756 to understand why TNT Jackson is kicking ass. 1307 00:51:38,796 --> 00:51:41,296 [Screaming] 1308 00:51:41,332 --> 00:51:42,602 I don't know what - 1309 00:51:42,633 --> 00:51:44,443 I really literally don't know what happened 1310 00:51:44,469 --> 00:51:46,439 after that meeting. 1311 00:51:46,471 --> 00:51:48,341 Except I know that, of course, 1312 00:51:48,373 --> 00:51:50,343 I did know that the script was re-written. 1313 00:51:50,375 --> 00:51:53,805 It was probably re-written on location or so. 1314 00:51:53,844 --> 00:51:55,354 Damn... 1315 00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:57,750 DOEL: He was a brilliant dialogue writer, 1316 00:51:57,782 --> 00:51:59,252 absolutely brilliant. 1317 00:51:59,284 --> 00:52:01,294 The humor and the timing... 1318 00:52:01,319 --> 00:52:03,619 It was that rhythm that he got. 1319 00:52:03,654 --> 00:52:05,364 I would call it - 1320 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:08,190 It was so working class, 1321 00:52:08,226 --> 00:52:10,196 ordinary-Joe American. 1322 00:52:10,228 --> 00:52:12,698 It was perfect. 1323 00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:15,870 INTERVIEWER: Why did you stop writing? 1324 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:17,370 I don't know... 1325 00:52:17,402 --> 00:52:19,202 LAINIE: Okay... 1326 00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:20,907 I have several scripts here. 1327 00:52:20,938 --> 00:52:23,168 This is... 1328 00:52:23,208 --> 00:52:25,678 "Rock n Roll Killer..." 1329 00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:28,350 "Help, There's a Spy in My Bed..." 1330 00:52:28,379 --> 00:52:30,379 "Rancho Bikini..." 1331 00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:32,675 "The Assassination..." 1332 00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:34,487 INTERVIEWER: Did you ever think you would go back? 1333 00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:36,919 Yeah, continuously. 1334 00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:40,294 But each time I did, something else would come up. 1335 00:52:40,325 --> 00:52:42,625 Usually my projects, whatever they were, 1336 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:45,300 always interfered with pictures. 1337 00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:46,630 They came first. 1338 00:52:46,664 --> 00:52:48,804 I would think that there was 1339 00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:51,943 more satisfaction and enjoyment to be had, 1340 00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:55,669 if you were as good an actor as Dick Miller - 1341 00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:57,436 to do that, 1342 00:52:57,475 --> 00:52:59,275 rather than sit and sweat by yourself 1343 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:01,780 and have your work torn up by other people. 1344 00:53:03,614 --> 00:53:05,454 DANTE: Paul Bartel was a friend of mine 1345 00:53:05,483 --> 00:53:07,723 and he made Death Race 2000, which was a huge hit. 1346 00:53:07,752 --> 00:53:10,322 And he did this picture, Cannonball, 1347 00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:12,285 which was based on a cross-country road race 1348 00:53:12,323 --> 00:53:13,723 for an independent producer 1349 00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,628 named Sam Gelfman and Run Run Shaw. 1350 00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:16,690 They're doing it again. 1351 00:53:16,727 --> 00:53:17,857 Well, they're in for a surprise. 1352 00:53:17,895 --> 00:53:18,695 If they're racing anywhere, 1353 00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:20,469 they're gonna race to the impound lot. 1354 00:53:20,498 --> 00:53:22,968 Get me the Highway Patrol! 1355 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,470 Paul was viciously unhappy. 1356 00:53:25,503 --> 00:53:27,473 ANNOUNCER: Cannonball! 1357 00:53:27,505 --> 00:53:28,805 WORONOV: He thought, "Oh God, 1358 00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:31,579 I have to work with cars for the rest of my life!" 1359 00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:33,479 ANNOUNCER: Cannonball! 1360 00:53:33,511 --> 00:53:35,811 You're the outlaw racer! 1361 00:53:35,846 --> 00:53:37,976 Geez, a real pleasure, Mr. Cannonball, 1362 00:53:38,015 --> 00:53:39,475 a real pleasure. 1363 00:53:39,517 --> 00:53:41,247 ANNOUNCER: Cannonball! 1364 00:53:41,286 --> 00:53:43,586 Allan and I were persuaded to appear 1365 00:53:43,621 --> 00:53:45,591 as actors in the movie. 1366 00:53:45,623 --> 00:53:46,893 If Cannonball Buckman wins 1367 00:53:46,924 --> 00:53:49,334 the Trans-American Grand Prix in our car, 1368 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,960 we're gonna be two heavy dudes. 1369 00:53:50,995 --> 00:53:53,625 Dick had a part as David Carradine's brother. 1370 00:53:53,664 --> 00:53:55,334 Hey Danny, where you been? 1371 00:53:55,366 --> 00:53:56,596 I thought you weren't gonna show up! 1372 00:53:56,634 --> 00:53:57,804 What, are you kidding me? 1373 00:53:57,835 --> 00:53:59,335 You think I'm gonna miss my kid brother's 1374 00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:00,470 first big race after he just got out? 1375 00:54:00,505 --> 00:54:01,805 Dick is really good in this movie. 1376 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,609 It's actually one of the best performances 1377 00:54:03,641 --> 00:54:05,311 I think he ever gave. 1378 00:54:05,343 --> 00:54:06,743 This is important to me. 1379 00:54:06,777 --> 00:54:08,647 Its not just the money - My life is on the line! 1380 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:10,719 DANTE: And I was privileged to look at the dailies. 1381 00:54:10,748 --> 00:54:12,748 I was just really impressed with Dick, 1382 00:54:12,783 --> 00:54:14,593 at how good he was in this part. 1383 00:54:14,619 --> 00:54:15,749 And I thought, you know, 1384 00:54:15,786 --> 00:54:17,556 "This guy doesn't get enough big parts." 1385 00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:20,388 Joe says to me, "You and I did a picture together!" 1386 00:54:20,425 --> 00:54:23,025 If you don't start with Roger, I don't know where you end up. 1387 00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:25,330 I thought Joe was either 1388 00:54:25,363 --> 00:54:28,633 a production assistant or a producer. 1389 00:54:28,666 --> 00:54:30,336 It wasn't quite clear. 1390 00:54:30,368 --> 00:54:31,868 And Dick was in that movie, as well. 1391 00:54:31,902 --> 00:54:35,042 And I think we may have met during the screening of that. 1392 00:54:35,072 --> 00:54:36,612 I'd say, "Hey, Dick!" 1393 00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:38,611 I don't think he knew who I was, frankly. 1394 00:54:38,643 --> 00:54:40,043 ANNOUNCER: Cannonball! 1395 00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:43,507 I think I may have known Allan when I was in New York. 1396 00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:45,048 We formed a very close working relationship, 1397 00:54:45,082 --> 00:54:47,752 to the point that when we got a chance to do a movie, 1398 00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:50,415 it was the trailer department's movie, basically - 1399 00:54:50,455 --> 00:54:51,755 Hollywood Boulevard - 1400 00:54:51,789 --> 00:54:53,559 Which was made up of sequences from 1401 00:54:53,591 --> 00:54:55,561 a zillion other pictures that we had done trailers for. 1402 00:54:55,593 --> 00:54:56,893 ANNOUNCER: Hollywood Boulevard, 1403 00:54:56,927 --> 00:54:58,657 the street where starlets are made. 1404 00:54:58,696 --> 00:55:00,596 On Monday, Candy came to Hollywood. 1405 00:55:00,631 --> 00:55:02,531 On Tuesday, she lost her blouse! 1406 00:55:02,567 --> 00:55:05,397 On Thursday, she massacred 300 rebel soldiers. 1407 00:55:05,436 --> 00:55:06,696 WORONOV: There they were, 1408 00:55:06,737 --> 00:55:08,467 and they were the directors, 1409 00:55:08,506 --> 00:55:11,036 and we were told that they were a team, 1410 00:55:11,075 --> 00:55:14,405 and we were told that this was a spoof on a Corman movie. 1411 00:55:14,445 --> 00:55:15,575 Cut! 1412 00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:17,523 I don't think they told Corman that. 1413 00:55:17,548 --> 00:55:19,818 You, fucking fly! 1414 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:21,990 I kept seeing Dick Miller everywhere. 1415 00:55:22,019 --> 00:55:23,089 I saw him in Big Bad Mama, 1416 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,560 I saw him in all the Nurses movies that he was in. 1417 00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:27,560 He was just a friend of Roger's 1418 00:55:27,592 --> 00:55:29,092 who kept getting hired over and over again. 1419 00:55:29,126 --> 00:55:32,656 I guess I met him and worked with him on Hollywood Boulevard. 1420 00:55:32,697 --> 00:55:35,097 I may have met him in passing before that. 1421 00:55:35,132 --> 00:55:36,532 But Hollywood Boulevard, 1422 00:55:36,567 --> 00:55:38,697 where he plays Walter Paisley, 1423 00:55:38,736 --> 00:55:40,836 that's where I spent time with him. 1424 00:55:40,871 --> 00:55:42,971 DICK: It's a nudie picture with a $2,000 budget. 1425 00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:44,737 No script, a ten-hour shooting schedule, 1426 00:55:44,775 --> 00:55:47,075 and it opens in 22 cities at the end of the week. 1427 00:55:47,111 --> 00:55:48,381 You want it or don't ya? 1428 00:55:48,413 --> 00:55:49,583 I was signed to do this part. 1429 00:55:49,614 --> 00:55:52,724 And the character was named something and the guys said, 1430 00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:55,390 "Can we change the name to Walter Paisley?" 1431 00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:56,950 I said, "That's the same name." 1432 00:55:56,987 --> 00:55:58,987 What did you want to talk to me about, Walter? 1433 00:55:59,023 --> 00:56:01,933 DICK: I believe Joe Dante said, "Yeah, let's us that." 1434 00:56:01,959 --> 00:56:02,729 Inside gag. 1435 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,660 And that seemed to be a good idea. 1436 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:05,955 It's not the same character. 1437 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:07,526 People say, "Well, that's the same character." 1438 00:56:07,565 --> 00:56:09,725 No, it's not the same character - 1439 00:56:09,767 --> 00:56:11,037 just the name is the same. 1440 00:56:11,068 --> 00:56:14,138 So I think it was out of the Walter Paisely role 1441 00:56:14,171 --> 00:56:16,811 that most of the affection these 1442 00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:19,641 young directors had for Dick Miller came. 1443 00:56:19,677 --> 00:56:21,747 You know, we saw ourselves as giving a leg-up 1444 00:56:21,779 --> 00:56:23,979 to the Walter Paisely's of the world. 1445 00:56:25,816 --> 00:56:27,746 They were so busy doing things 1446 00:56:27,785 --> 00:56:29,645 that they'd never done before, 1447 00:56:29,687 --> 00:56:31,787 like, you know, looking at sunlight, 1448 00:56:31,822 --> 00:56:34,532 that they didn't pay any attention to me and Paul. 1449 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:36,059 And I have a habit of ad-libbing. 1450 00:56:36,093 --> 00:56:37,063 Your money or your life. 1451 00:56:37,094 --> 00:56:39,034 No feeling Mary - "Your money or your life." 1452 00:56:39,063 --> 00:56:41,203 Your money or your life! Terrible, Mary. 1453 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:42,201 Your money or your life! 1454 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:44,032 Magnificent, wonderful... 1455 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:46,198 GOLDBLATT: The first time I saw Dick Miller 1456 00:56:46,236 --> 00:56:49,036 was when we shot the big party scene, 1457 00:56:49,073 --> 00:56:52,183 which takes place at the end of Hollywood Boulevard. 1458 00:56:52,209 --> 00:56:53,979 You really handle that trey nice. 1459 00:56:54,011 --> 00:56:55,551 Oh, thank you. 1460 00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:57,880 Actually, I'm not a waiter - I'm a robot. 1461 00:56:57,915 --> 00:57:00,175 I was a production assistant. 1462 00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:02,687 This was my first legitimate 1463 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,190 Hollywood feature job. 1464 00:57:04,221 --> 00:57:06,821 So I saw Dick Miller in a scene with Robby The Robot. 1465 00:57:06,857 --> 00:57:08,827 500 a piece. Be reasonable! 1466 00:57:08,859 --> 00:57:10,129 Say, man, who you tryin' to jive? 1467 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,630 KARASZEWSKI: There was a period in the 70's 1468 00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,163 where he was wearing a pink jacket all the time. 1469 00:57:14,198 --> 00:57:16,468 So, clearly, he's bringing his own clothing to the movies. 1470 00:57:16,501 --> 00:57:17,941 So I could say, "It's the guy with the pink jacket!" 1471 00:57:17,968 --> 00:57:20,098 But I don't know if that would really help anyone. 1472 00:57:20,137 --> 00:57:22,067 Hi there. 1473 00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:24,776 I'm Joe Littman and welcome to Guess Word. 1474 00:57:24,809 --> 00:57:26,539 GOTTLIEB: We had him for a day. 1475 00:57:26,577 --> 00:57:28,077 His wardrobe was a sports jacket - 1476 00:57:28,112 --> 00:57:30,782 A pink sport jacket that I guess he owned. 1477 00:57:30,815 --> 00:57:32,245 This is how he showed up. 1478 00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:33,382 Number 7! 1479 00:57:33,417 --> 00:57:35,887 Karen, that's really very good for your first spin. 1480 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,020 Hi, Joe. 1481 00:57:37,054 --> 00:57:39,224 Ready for the question from behind the Magic Hole Board? 1482 00:57:39,256 --> 00:57:40,826 We certainly are. 1483 00:57:40,858 --> 00:57:43,958 This has been in about ten pictures. 1484 00:57:43,994 --> 00:57:45,704 GOTTLIEB: And there was a wit there. 1485 00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:47,570 There was an intrinsic wit. 1486 00:57:47,598 --> 00:57:49,568 And probably still is. 1487 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,270 That says "Death Before Dishonor". 1488 00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:55,942 Oh, I didn't have Death Before Dishonor put on it. 1489 00:57:55,973 --> 00:57:56,673 [Laughs] 1490 00:57:56,707 --> 00:57:59,137 I figured it's too much to pay. 1491 00:58:00,044 --> 00:58:01,254 Those Ramones are peculiar. 1492 00:58:01,278 --> 00:58:05,118 They're ugly, ugly, ugly people. 1493 00:58:05,149 --> 00:58:07,819 INTERVIEWER: Did you ad-lib your line? DICK: Yes. 1494 00:58:07,852 --> 00:58:10,052 I had a long speech there 1495 00:58:10,087 --> 00:58:12,857 about "Where are they - " I forget what it was. 1496 00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:14,630 But I looked at these guys 1497 00:58:14,659 --> 00:58:17,129 and I thought, "They're ugly people!" 1498 00:58:17,161 --> 00:58:19,131 [Laughs] That's funny. 1499 00:58:19,163 --> 00:58:21,173 I'm sure he ad-libbed it. 1500 00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,870 BEYDA: I was there the night they blew up the high school. 1501 00:58:25,903 --> 00:58:27,173 And Dick was there, of course, 1502 00:58:27,204 --> 00:58:29,214 and, you know, Mary Woronov and everybody. 1503 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:31,279 That's probably the first time I met Dick, actually. 1504 00:58:31,308 --> 00:58:34,608 It was like two in the morning in South Central LA. 1505 00:58:34,645 --> 00:58:36,245 They gave me the uniform and they said, 1506 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,080 "Leave your jacket off until we're ready to shoot." 1507 00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:40,616 I said, "Why?" 1508 00:58:40,651 --> 00:58:41,921 They said, "You may get killed." 1509 00:58:41,952 --> 00:58:44,292 Whenever there's a part that I can fit Dick in, 1510 00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:45,991 I try and find a place for him. 1511 00:58:46,023 --> 00:58:48,293 Well, you know, Piranha was written by John Sayles 1512 00:58:48,325 --> 00:58:51,895 and he was stuck in the role of Buck Gardner. 1513 00:58:51,929 --> 00:58:53,559 There were two pictures - 1514 00:58:53,598 --> 00:58:54,898 Rock n Roll High School and Piranha. 1515 00:58:54,932 --> 00:58:56,202 Rock n Roll High School 1516 00:58:56,233 --> 00:58:58,003 was a much more interesting subject, I thought, 1517 00:58:58,035 --> 00:58:59,765 but Allan had been living his whole life 1518 00:58:59,804 --> 00:59:01,114 waiting to do this picture. 1519 00:59:01,138 --> 00:59:03,768 So he got that one and I got Piranha, the fish story. 1520 00:59:03,808 --> 00:59:05,308 Excuse me, I'm on the phone. 1521 00:59:05,342 --> 00:59:06,842 But the piranhas... 1522 00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:08,307 I thought I told you not to even say that word! 1523 00:59:08,345 --> 00:59:09,345 But the piranhas... 1524 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:10,879 What about the Goddamn piranhas?! 1525 00:59:10,915 --> 00:59:13,875 They're eating the guests, sir. 1526 00:59:13,918 --> 00:59:16,918 SAYLES: And I just remember Dick playing this guy, 1527 00:59:16,954 --> 00:59:18,864 who's trying to run the whole show, 1528 00:59:18,889 --> 00:59:22,259 and the stupid piranhas come and start eating the guests 1529 00:59:22,292 --> 00:59:24,632 and mess up all his plans. 1530 00:59:24,662 --> 00:59:26,332 I met Dick in Austin, Texas, 1531 00:59:26,363 --> 00:59:28,803 when they were filming the big scene in Piranha. 1532 00:59:28,833 --> 00:59:30,273 And Joe said, "You gotta come watch this guy. 1533 00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,470 He's just great." 1534 00:59:31,501 --> 00:59:35,011 Look, I want all incoming calls switched directly to me. 1535 00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:37,009 I blew that. I know it. It stinks. 1536 00:59:37,041 --> 00:59:38,741 BALASKI: He's so fast, 1537 00:59:38,776 --> 00:59:40,946 and he's so furious, and he's so delicious! 1538 00:59:40,978 --> 00:59:43,948 In a lot of his roles he has something like that - 1539 00:59:43,981 --> 00:59:46,081 Which is basically a straight part, in a way. 1540 00:59:46,116 --> 00:59:48,816 But he understands the tone of the movie 1541 00:59:48,853 --> 00:59:50,993 and so it ends up being very funny. 1542 00:59:51,021 --> 00:59:52,891 He doesn't have punch lines, per se, 1543 00:59:52,923 --> 00:59:55,793 but it ends up being a funny performance. 1544 00:59:55,826 --> 00:59:57,086 Schmuck... 1545 00:59:57,127 --> 00:59:58,797 Joe was a great mentor to me. 1546 00:59:58,829 --> 01:00:00,099 I noticed that both of us 1547 01:00:00,130 --> 01:00:01,870 and some of our friends like Jon Davison, 1548 01:00:01,899 --> 01:00:03,069 Allan Arkush, 1549 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,340 also loved genre pictures. 1550 01:00:05,369 --> 01:00:07,169 And Dick was right there. 1551 01:00:07,204 --> 01:00:08,944 Piranhas! Jeez... 1552 01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:11,083 Dick was making the movies that we were watching 1553 01:00:11,108 --> 01:00:13,138 that were driving us insane with delight. 1554 01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:15,377 LAINIE: Actually, all of these kids 1555 01:00:15,412 --> 01:00:17,752 that came up with Roger Corman... 1556 01:00:17,782 --> 01:00:19,352 When they grew beyond that 1557 01:00:19,383 --> 01:00:20,853 and went to the studio level, 1558 01:00:20,885 --> 01:00:23,345 they gave Dick his third career... 1559 01:00:23,387 --> 01:00:27,187 [**] 1560 01:00:27,224 --> 01:00:29,694 FORSTER: Well, the first thing most people don't know - 1561 01:00:29,727 --> 01:00:31,857 certainly I didn't know when I started - 1562 01:00:31,896 --> 01:00:34,396 was that there are this many of us 1563 01:00:34,431 --> 01:00:36,971 and that many jobs. 1564 01:00:37,001 --> 01:00:39,941 Every one of those jobs is politically given. 1565 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:42,010 You don't have a batting average. 1566 01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,269 You can't walk in and say, "Look, I bat 350. 1567 01:00:44,308 --> 01:00:46,738 Put me in the line-up." No, no, no. 1568 01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:48,677 Somebody who likes you has got to say, 1569 01:00:48,713 --> 01:00:50,883 "No, no, Dick Miller is the right guy for this one." 1570 01:00:50,915 --> 01:00:52,875 Or, "Bob Forster is the right guy that part. 1571 01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:53,817 We want him." 1572 01:00:53,851 --> 01:00:55,751 ANNOUNCER: We return now to Divorce Court. 1573 01:00:55,786 --> 01:00:57,146 Being sworn in is Jim Breen, 1574 01:00:57,187 --> 01:00:59,157 testifying on the behalf of Walter Higgins. 1575 01:00:59,189 --> 01:01:00,929 Well, Walter and me used to be partners 1576 01:01:00,958 --> 01:01:03,428 and we've been friends for nigh on 40 years now. 1577 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:05,400 I think maybe I first became aware 1578 01:01:05,429 --> 01:01:07,029 of Dick Miller at breakfast. 1579 01:01:07,064 --> 01:01:09,374 There was a breakfast place that I went to. 1580 01:01:09,399 --> 01:01:12,769 And Dick Miller - if he wasn't working - 1581 01:01:12,803 --> 01:01:14,773 he was sittin' there every single day. 1582 01:01:14,805 --> 01:01:16,835 We all met at this place 1583 01:01:16,874 --> 01:01:18,914 about 10:30 in the morning. 1584 01:01:18,943 --> 01:01:21,853 We had a pretty good group of people - 1585 01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:23,449 Robert Forster, 1586 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,980 Dick, and I... 1587 01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:26,775 Every day, he would eat the same thing. 1588 01:01:26,817 --> 01:01:28,287 It would be a scoop of tuna 1589 01:01:28,318 --> 01:01:30,918 with chopped up onions on it, or egg salad. 1590 01:01:30,955 --> 01:01:32,255 Well, Harry was a part of the group. 1591 01:01:32,289 --> 01:01:33,919 I know a lot of stories about him. 1592 01:01:33,958 --> 01:01:36,058 I don't know if he's told any of these stories. 1593 01:01:36,093 --> 01:01:38,363 DICK: There was a picture called White Dog. 1594 01:01:38,395 --> 01:01:40,195 And they said, "Sam Fuller's gonna direct." 1595 01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:42,270 And I said, "Gee, I'd like to get in on that." 1596 01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:44,029 Jon Davison was the producer. 1597 01:01:44,068 --> 01:01:45,468 He says, "You go down there. 1598 01:01:45,502 --> 01:01:47,072 The guy's got a monkey for ya." 1599 01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:48,344 He says, "He's your monkey. 1600 01:01:48,372 --> 01:01:50,212 He's a nice little guy. Weighs about 30 pounds. 1601 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,780 In the event that he starts to bite ya -" 1602 01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:54,080 I said, "What?" 1603 01:01:54,111 --> 01:01:55,751 He says, "No, no, it's not bad. 1604 01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:57,080 He'll just nibble on you a little." 1605 01:01:57,114 --> 01:01:58,854 "I ain't gonna work with no monkey that nibbles." 1606 01:01:58,883 --> 01:02:01,353 He says, "Just listen to me. It works - 1607 01:02:01,385 --> 01:02:02,815 Bite the monkey." 1608 01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:05,193 Up this road, on the right, is the arena. 1609 01:02:05,222 --> 01:02:07,122 The monkey starts nibbling on me... 1610 01:02:07,157 --> 01:02:09,127 I say, "Stop it! Cut that out! 1611 01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:10,959 Don't do that! Stop it!" 1612 01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:12,995 The monkey looks up at me like that. 1613 01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:14,330 I got it whipped. 1614 01:02:14,364 --> 01:02:16,104 Leave it up to me - I know what I'm doin'. 1615 01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:17,503 And they said, "Alright, get ready for the retakes." 1616 01:02:17,534 --> 01:02:18,644 I said, "What retakes?" 1617 01:02:18,668 --> 01:02:22,038 He says, "Look at you - The monkey peed all over ya!" 1618 01:02:22,072 --> 01:02:23,512 We get into - 1619 01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:26,040 I changed my clothes by the way. 1620 01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:28,006 All of a sudden, the monkey's biting on my wrist. 1621 01:02:28,045 --> 01:02:29,475 He's tearing me up! 1622 01:02:29,513 --> 01:02:31,853 "Will you do what I say? Just bite the monkey. 1623 01:02:31,882 --> 01:02:33,152 We're gonna do this scene once more. 1624 01:02:33,183 --> 01:02:34,553 Go change your clothes." 1625 01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:36,094 I said, "What?! 1626 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,090 The monkey - you should pardon the expression - 1627 01:02:38,122 --> 01:02:40,092 crapped on me." 1628 01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:41,564 The monkey starts nibbling, 1629 01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:43,861 the guy's in the background going, 1630 01:02:43,894 --> 01:02:46,204 "Bite the monkey!" 1631 01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:48,370 And I bite the monkey on the neck. 1632 01:02:48,398 --> 01:02:49,868 We finished the scene. 1633 01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:51,570 The monkey never laid a hand on me. 1634 01:02:51,601 --> 01:02:53,371 I go outside to find Jon Davison. 1635 01:02:53,403 --> 01:02:54,873 "You fixed me up good! 1636 01:02:54,905 --> 01:02:56,365 I got a monkey that pees on me, 1637 01:02:56,406 --> 01:02:58,006 that craps on me." 1638 01:02:58,042 --> 01:03:00,312 And he says, "The legend lives!" 1639 01:03:00,344 --> 01:03:02,484 So there's two things that I learned 1640 01:03:02,512 --> 01:03:05,352 about this business... 1641 01:03:05,382 --> 01:03:08,352 One - The legend, which is me, lives... 1642 01:03:08,385 --> 01:03:11,015 And two - Whenever you think you know something, 1643 01:03:11,055 --> 01:03:13,015 there's always somebody who knows 1644 01:03:13,057 --> 01:03:15,527 a little bit more about it than you. 1645 01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:17,929 "Bite the monkey!" [Chuckle] 1646 01:03:17,962 --> 01:03:19,932 Well, as the years went by, 1647 01:03:19,964 --> 01:03:22,304 and Dick took on this sort of iconic status, 1648 01:03:22,332 --> 01:03:25,902 his mere presence sort of became self-referential. 1649 01:03:25,936 --> 01:03:28,036 And I think probably the key person 1650 01:03:28,072 --> 01:03:29,912 responsible for this is Joe Dante, 1651 01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:31,310 who him in every one of his pictures. 1652 01:03:31,341 --> 01:03:33,981 Please, you gonna purchase, purchase. 1653 01:03:34,011 --> 01:03:35,981 Now leave 'em alone, you'll get 'em greasy. 1654 01:03:36,013 --> 01:03:37,383 HORA: The first day on The Howling 1655 01:03:37,414 --> 01:03:39,384 was when we did Dick's scene in the shop, 1656 01:03:39,416 --> 01:03:41,186 where he has the silver bullets. 1657 01:03:41,218 --> 01:03:43,388 And I just thought it was a magical scene. 1658 01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:45,390 Your classic werewolf can change shape any time it wants. 1659 01:03:45,422 --> 01:03:47,062 Day or night - Whenever it takes a notion to 'em. 1660 01:03:47,091 --> 01:03:48,561 That's why they call 'em shapeshifters. 1661 01:03:48,592 --> 01:03:50,062 I got a dozen books on it. 1662 01:03:50,094 --> 01:03:51,934 BALASKI: I love the book store scene, 1663 01:03:51,962 --> 01:03:54,202 because, to me, this is a packed scene. 1664 01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:56,871 How to survive a packed scene - 1665 01:03:56,901 --> 01:03:58,201 that's a whole other issue! 1666 01:03:58,235 --> 01:04:00,335 He's the perfect person to own a store 1667 01:04:00,370 --> 01:04:03,040 that sells curios and odd ball things, 1668 01:04:03,073 --> 01:04:04,613 because he doesn't really believe any of it. 1669 01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:06,141 But he'll sell anything. 1670 01:04:06,176 --> 01:04:07,606 What am I, an idiot? I'm makin' a buck here. 1671 01:04:07,644 --> 01:04:09,084 You want books? I got books. 1672 01:04:09,113 --> 01:04:10,483 I didn't write it specifically for Dick, 1673 01:04:10,514 --> 01:04:13,154 but in Joe's mind, it was a Dick Miller-type guy - 1674 01:04:13,183 --> 01:04:14,623 "And I know I can get Dick!" 1675 01:04:14,651 --> 01:04:15,891 They say he steals every scene. 1676 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,420 The Manson people used to hang out around here and shoplift... 1677 01:04:18,455 --> 01:04:19,955 Buncha deadbeats! 1678 01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:21,290 So I think it's a good thing 1679 01:04:21,325 --> 01:04:23,225 it was only one scene we had together. 1680 01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:26,130 I have no idea how much of the dialog is John Sayles 1681 01:04:26,163 --> 01:04:29,033 or how much of it was embroidered by Dick. 1682 01:04:29,066 --> 01:04:31,936 You just know that no one can pack 30 seconds 1683 01:04:31,969 --> 01:04:33,469 with as many words as he can. 1684 01:04:33,503 --> 01:04:35,343 I take Bank of America Card, American Express, Visa. 1685 01:04:35,372 --> 01:04:37,012 You gonna buy that or what? 1686 01:04:37,041 --> 01:04:38,511 In the early 1980's, 1687 01:04:38,542 --> 01:04:40,142 Joe Dante was a guy 1688 01:04:40,177 --> 01:04:41,947 that we really looked up to. 1689 01:04:41,979 --> 01:04:43,249 And I think that during the 80s' - 1690 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,480 particularly the Spielberg years, 1691 01:04:45,515 --> 01:04:47,175 where everything was sort of sweet - 1692 01:04:47,217 --> 01:04:49,347 Joe came in there, particularly with Gremlins. 1693 01:04:49,386 --> 01:04:52,986 He just really took that archetype and really twisted it. 1694 01:04:53,023 --> 01:04:54,993 When I first saw Gremlins, 1695 01:04:55,025 --> 01:04:56,285 the movie, 1696 01:04:56,326 --> 01:04:58,296 Phoebe and I - I think we were both like, 1697 01:04:58,328 --> 01:05:00,498 "What did we just see?" 1698 01:05:02,366 --> 01:05:04,466 FELDMAN: You never know what's gonna hit 1699 01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:05,471 and what's not. 1700 01:05:05,502 --> 01:05:07,342 You never know what's going to be a success 1701 01:05:07,371 --> 01:05:09,141 in this business and what's not, 1702 01:05:09,173 --> 01:05:11,043 what will have sustainability and a life after, 1703 01:05:11,075 --> 01:05:12,535 and all that sort of thing. 1704 01:05:12,576 --> 01:05:13,636 With Gremlins, we knew. 1705 01:05:13,677 --> 01:05:15,477 All of Gremlins, for me, 1706 01:05:15,512 --> 01:05:17,252 was madness. 1707 01:05:17,281 --> 01:05:19,451 We had a tremendous amount of technical challenges 1708 01:05:19,483 --> 01:05:22,453 on stuff that I had never done before. 1709 01:05:22,486 --> 01:05:25,086 The puppet part was really, really hard. 1710 01:05:25,122 --> 01:05:27,022 It was a nightmare working with these puppets. 1711 01:05:27,057 --> 01:05:28,957 WALAS: Everything about it was insane. 1712 01:05:28,993 --> 01:05:31,033 Everything about it was wrong. 1713 01:05:31,061 --> 01:05:34,331 Just staring at these puppets - 1714 01:05:34,364 --> 01:05:38,044 That was the most tedious... 1715 01:05:38,068 --> 01:05:39,998 boring... 1716 01:05:40,037 --> 01:05:41,607 vile footage 1717 01:05:41,638 --> 01:05:43,538 I have ever lived with. 1718 01:05:43,573 --> 01:05:45,113 On an hourly basis, 1719 01:05:45,142 --> 01:05:47,042 I just kept questioning my sanity 1720 01:05:47,077 --> 01:05:49,077 for taking the project in the first place. 1721 01:05:49,113 --> 01:05:50,413 Gremlins... 1722 01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:52,077 DEL VALLE: If ever there was a movie 1723 01:05:52,116 --> 01:05:54,986 that brought the Wizard of Oz vibe to a movie, 1724 01:05:55,019 --> 01:05:56,319 it was Gremlins. 1725 01:05:56,353 --> 01:05:57,993 It was a Christmas movie, 1726 01:05:58,022 --> 01:05:59,462 it had a Wicked Witch... 1727 01:05:59,489 --> 01:06:01,229 Deposit this to my account. 1728 01:06:01,258 --> 01:06:03,728 And there was Dick Miller... 1729 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,560 There was someone that anchored 1730 01:06:05,595 --> 01:06:08,725 the movie in our childhood nostalgia. 1731 01:06:08,765 --> 01:06:10,725 W-W-eye-eye. 1732 01:06:10,767 --> 01:06:12,467 When we made Gremlins, 1733 01:06:12,502 --> 01:06:15,172 I didn't know there were any difficulties at all making this. 1734 01:06:15,205 --> 01:06:17,365 See that plow? 15 years old. 1735 01:06:17,407 --> 01:06:19,377 Hasn't given me a day's trouble in 15 years. 1736 01:06:19,409 --> 01:06:21,379 You know why? Kentucky Harvester. 1737 01:06:21,411 --> 01:06:23,481 I think I was brought in, 1738 01:06:23,513 --> 01:06:25,453 and they just said, "Hello, 1739 01:06:25,482 --> 01:06:27,452 we'd love to have you in our picture." 1740 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:29,454 You have the thingy. Huh? 1741 01:06:29,486 --> 01:06:32,116 DICK: Jackie Joseph was my wife in so many things, 1742 01:06:32,156 --> 01:06:34,416 I thought I was married to her! 1743 01:06:36,593 --> 01:06:38,603 JACKIE JOSEPH: Knowing I was working with Dick, 1744 01:06:38,628 --> 01:06:41,498 I think these wonderful producers and director 1745 01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:44,071 just thought, "Wouldn't it be funny to work with 1746 01:06:44,101 --> 01:06:46,601 those people from Little Shop of Horrors?" 1747 01:06:46,636 --> 01:06:50,266 Murray, did you hear from the noodle factory? 1748 01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:52,607 Sheila, the noodle factory is not gonna re-open. 1749 01:06:52,642 --> 01:06:55,112 HORA: I really like the Futtermans. 1750 01:06:55,145 --> 01:06:57,105 They're totally believable. 1751 01:06:57,147 --> 01:06:59,447 And limited as they are, I understand them. 1752 01:06:59,483 --> 01:07:02,453 INTERVIEWER: Are you at all like Murray Futterman? No. 1753 01:07:02,486 --> 01:07:05,656 Murray Futterman is a man who makes mistakes... 1754 01:07:07,657 --> 01:07:09,257 Errors. 1755 01:07:09,293 --> 01:07:10,833 I'm perfect. 1756 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,130 But he's a guy who's set in his ways. 1757 01:07:13,163 --> 01:07:15,173 Ah... 1758 01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,169 Well, maybe. 1759 01:07:17,201 --> 01:07:19,171 I'm set in some ways. 1760 01:07:19,203 --> 01:07:21,813 What? See, the dog knows. 1761 01:07:21,838 --> 01:07:23,508 DANTE: The critical reaction was surprisingly good. 1762 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,280 I mean, it really put me on the map. 1763 01:07:25,309 --> 01:07:27,279 Suddenly, I was this person made a movie 1764 01:07:27,311 --> 01:07:28,611 that got pretty good reviews, 1765 01:07:28,645 --> 01:07:31,275 because it was weird and also made a lot of money. 1766 01:07:31,315 --> 01:07:33,815 So it was like, "OK, put him on that list." 1767 01:07:33,850 --> 01:07:36,650 I stayed on that list until my next picture came out. 1768 01:07:36,686 --> 01:07:39,686 Then I went off that list. [Laughs] 1769 01:07:39,723 --> 01:07:43,363 WOMAN: [Screams] Look out behind you! 1770 01:07:43,393 --> 01:07:45,163 MAN: It came out of the screen! 1771 01:07:45,195 --> 01:07:46,455 HIRSCH: What I see in his films 1772 01:07:46,496 --> 01:07:49,296 is this quality that I call "density". 1773 01:07:49,333 --> 01:07:51,703 It's different from a lot of people's work. 1774 01:07:51,735 --> 01:07:53,695 One of the things about Joe Dante's movies 1775 01:07:53,737 --> 01:07:57,437 that's pretty consistent is that his movies 1776 01:07:57,474 --> 01:08:01,114 are all love letters to movies. 1777 01:08:01,145 --> 01:08:02,645 I don't know - 1778 01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:05,249 Somehow he just manages to capture 1779 01:08:05,282 --> 01:08:07,382 the love of and the fun of 1780 01:08:07,417 --> 01:08:09,247 these genre movies 1781 01:08:09,286 --> 01:08:10,746 in a way that nobody else really can. 1782 01:08:10,787 --> 01:08:12,517 One of my favorite Dick Miller scenes 1783 01:08:12,556 --> 01:08:15,726 in the Joe Dante oeuvre is his scene in Explorers. 1784 01:08:17,527 --> 01:08:20,227 Look man, I've been having dreams about this lately and - 1785 01:08:20,264 --> 01:08:22,434 Yes, really! 1786 01:08:24,268 --> 01:08:25,868 The weird thing is... 1787 01:08:25,902 --> 01:08:28,572 I haven't had dreams like this since I was a kid. 1788 01:08:28,605 --> 01:08:30,365 You know, he's the helicopter pilot, 1789 01:08:30,407 --> 01:08:33,407 and when he discovers what the kids have done, 1790 01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:36,753 and you get the sense that was a childhood dream of his 1791 01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:38,350 that they have realized. 1792 01:08:38,382 --> 01:08:40,622 In all of his movies that center on young characters, 1793 01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:43,890 there's always a feeling that the movie is also 1794 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,360 gratifying for an adult looking back and remembering 1795 01:08:47,391 --> 01:08:50,531 that part of their own life. 1796 01:08:53,597 --> 01:08:55,767 No way - Wednesday night, I'm on a league. 1797 01:08:55,799 --> 01:08:58,199 This seminar can change your life, Vic. 1798 01:08:58,235 --> 01:09:00,165 The man is a great healer. 1799 01:09:00,204 --> 01:09:01,514 And I'm a great bowler! 1800 01:09:01,538 --> 01:09:04,508 There was a lot of ad-libbing in The 'Burbs. 1801 01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:06,781 Joe would just let the camera keep running, 1802 01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:09,480 and when the actors finished the scripted lines, 1803 01:09:09,513 --> 01:09:11,223 they would just kind of go. 1804 01:09:11,248 --> 01:09:15,388 It had a wonderful cast with Tom Hanks and Carrie Fischer. 1805 01:09:15,419 --> 01:09:18,719 And the scene with Dick was just hilarious. 1806 01:09:18,755 --> 01:09:20,885 What the hell is wrong with these people? 1807 01:09:20,924 --> 01:09:22,534 He has a right to know, Vic. 1808 01:09:22,559 --> 01:09:24,229 Don't start up with me! 1809 01:09:24,261 --> 01:09:26,231 STEVENS: It was the type of scene where 1810 01:09:26,263 --> 01:09:28,533 he could control the situation. 1811 01:09:28,565 --> 01:09:30,525 I think Joe Dante gave him a lot of leeway 1812 01:09:30,567 --> 01:09:32,537 as to how he would go with it. 1813 01:09:32,569 --> 01:09:34,239 When I first met Dick, 1814 01:09:34,271 --> 01:09:35,671 I really didn't know anything about him 1815 01:09:35,705 --> 01:09:37,805 other than that he was an actor 1816 01:09:37,841 --> 01:09:39,681 that Joe really loved to work with. 1817 01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:41,679 The irony is, for all the movies that we're together, 1818 01:09:41,711 --> 01:09:45,351 we only really share the screen in The 'Burbs. 1819 01:09:45,382 --> 01:09:47,822 Look, I don't want any of your bullshit either! 1820 01:09:47,851 --> 01:09:50,491 The question here is garbage and who picks up this mess! 1821 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,360 I was pretty reckless by that point. 1822 01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:54,519 I know that I was smoking weed on the set. 1823 01:09:54,558 --> 01:09:55,958 I remember being in my trailer, 1824 01:09:55,992 --> 01:09:58,662 and I was friends with Sam Kinison, the comedian. 1825 01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:00,325 I'd open the door and there would just be 1826 01:10:00,364 --> 01:10:01,834 weed bellowing out of it. 1827 01:10:01,865 --> 01:10:02,825 He was a smart-ass kid. 1828 01:10:02,866 --> 01:10:04,966 * What else could you do with those hooves? * 1829 01:10:05,001 --> 01:10:07,671 Shut the fuck up, kid. We're trying to do some acting. 1830 01:10:07,704 --> 01:10:09,714 FELDMAN: "I don't have a problem. 1831 01:10:09,739 --> 01:10:12,379 I'm good. I'm fine. What are you talking about?" 1832 01:10:12,409 --> 01:10:13,639 DANTE: It was shot during a writer's strike, 1833 01:10:13,677 --> 01:10:17,007 so I decided that we would shoot it on the Universal back lot, 1834 01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:18,646 where it would be a little stylized 1835 01:10:18,682 --> 01:10:20,582 and wouldn't look too real. 1836 01:10:20,617 --> 01:10:22,287 We could shoot in sequence. 1837 01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:23,719 And then, if people wanted to improv, 1838 01:10:23,753 --> 01:10:24,723 it would be OK, 1839 01:10:24,754 --> 01:10:26,594 because we wouldn't be affecting the ending, 1840 01:10:26,623 --> 01:10:28,363 because we'd be doing it in sequence... 1841 01:10:28,392 --> 01:10:29,862 All of you, go to hell! 1842 01:10:29,893 --> 01:10:31,463 Cut! [Laughing] 1843 01:10:31,495 --> 01:10:32,755 DANTE: It seems odd, 1844 01:10:32,796 --> 01:10:34,596 but that picture got the worst reviews 1845 01:10:34,631 --> 01:10:36,271 of any picture I ever did. 1846 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:37,770 Yet, I'd go to dentists offices 1847 01:10:37,801 --> 01:10:39,601 and people would say, "You did The 'Burbs? 1848 01:10:39,636 --> 01:10:41,506 You made the The 'Burbs? Oh, I love that movie!" 1849 01:10:41,538 --> 01:10:43,338 MAN: They're playing this thing on Saturday, 1850 01:10:43,373 --> 01:10:45,343 unless you people stop them! 1851 01:10:45,375 --> 01:10:46,775 Ask the people that run this theatre. 1852 01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:48,580 Ask 'em why they're sailing this town's kids - 1853 01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:49,882 your kids - down the river. 1854 01:10:49,913 --> 01:10:52,583 HARVEY: I think my favorite Dick Miller role, 1855 01:10:52,616 --> 01:10:55,886 of the movies I've worked on, was in Matinee. 1856 01:10:55,919 --> 01:10:58,989 I'm Lawrence Woolsey, who are you fellas? 1857 01:10:59,022 --> 01:11:01,662 We're from Citizens for Decent Entertainment, Mr. Woolsey. 1858 01:11:01,691 --> 01:11:04,331 He was teamed up with John Sayles... 1859 01:11:04,361 --> 01:11:05,361 I don't know. 1860 01:11:05,395 --> 01:11:06,855 You'd have to ask Joe about this. 1861 01:11:06,896 --> 01:11:10,026 I think he was thinking that I'm 6 foot 4, 1862 01:11:10,066 --> 01:11:11,636 and Dick's not. 1863 01:11:11,668 --> 01:11:13,498 HARVEY: And they played the two hucksters 1864 01:11:13,537 --> 01:11:15,637 that have been hired covertly 1865 01:11:15,672 --> 01:11:17,612 by Lawrence Woolsey 1866 01:11:17,641 --> 01:11:19,941 to drum up controversy 1867 01:11:19,976 --> 01:11:21,906 over Woolsey's movies. 1868 01:11:21,945 --> 01:11:23,975 Well, this was a movie that was close my heart, 1869 01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:26,553 in that I was the age of the kids in the movie 1870 01:11:26,583 --> 01:11:28,753 when the Cuban Missile Crisis happened. 1871 01:11:31,355 --> 01:11:33,015 And if you weren't there, 1872 01:11:33,056 --> 01:11:34,756 it's hard to explain to people 1873 01:11:34,791 --> 01:11:36,961 how tense an atmosphere it was. 1874 01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:41,695 HARVEY: I think of all the things in Matinee 1875 01:11:41,731 --> 01:11:45,401 that are probably autobiographical for Joe, 1876 01:11:45,435 --> 01:11:46,665 that's the moment. 1877 01:11:46,703 --> 01:11:48,473 I can see Joe as a kid, 1878 01:11:48,505 --> 01:11:50,405 watching these Corman movies, 1879 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,510 and going home and thumbing through 1880 01:11:52,542 --> 01:11:55,582 his Famous Monsters of Filmland Magazines 1881 01:11:55,612 --> 01:11:57,382 and figuring out, 1882 01:11:57,414 --> 01:11:59,384 "Oh, wait a minute! This guy!" 1883 01:11:59,416 --> 01:12:01,046 And it may be, out of all the movies 1884 01:12:01,084 --> 01:12:02,554 that Dick Miller's been in, 1885 01:12:02,586 --> 01:12:04,346 I think that may be the only time 1886 01:12:04,388 --> 01:12:06,688 he actually played an actor. 1887 01:12:06,723 --> 01:12:08,563 I think, if you look back at all directors, 1888 01:12:08,592 --> 01:12:09,932 and you look at their filmographies, 1889 01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:11,929 you see the same actors popping up in all the movies. 1890 01:12:11,961 --> 01:12:14,431 And so I did end up with a somewhat 1891 01:12:14,464 --> 01:12:16,634 Preston Sturges - Ingmar Bergman - 1892 01:12:16,666 --> 01:12:18,566 John Ford-type group of people 1893 01:12:18,602 --> 01:12:21,572 that appear incessantly in my movies. 1894 01:12:21,605 --> 01:12:24,065 Sometimes in smaller parts, sometimes in big parts. 1895 01:12:24,107 --> 01:12:25,577 The great thing about Dick 1896 01:12:25,609 --> 01:12:27,579 is that he comes from this tradition 1897 01:12:27,611 --> 01:12:30,881 where you can be memorable in one scene in a movie, 1898 01:12:30,914 --> 01:12:33,954 or you can have the second or third lead - 1899 01:12:33,983 --> 01:12:35,793 either one is OK. 1900 01:12:35,819 --> 01:12:37,949 It's always a pleasure to work with someone like that, 1901 01:12:37,987 --> 01:12:39,457 editorially. 1902 01:12:39,489 --> 01:12:40,889 Because you don't have to look for choices 1903 01:12:40,924 --> 01:12:44,094 to make something work, 'cause he's right there. 1904 01:12:46,095 --> 01:12:47,895 Lobby! 1905 01:12:47,931 --> 01:12:50,071 Don't mess with Murray Futterman! 1906 01:12:50,099 --> 01:12:54,499 [**] 1907 01:12:54,538 --> 01:12:57,408 Many people who know Dick through Roger, 1908 01:12:57,441 --> 01:12:59,741 and who know Dick through Joe, 1909 01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:01,746 call up and ask if Dick 1910 01:13:01,778 --> 01:13:04,008 will be in their movies. 1911 01:13:04,047 --> 01:13:05,517 Hi, Walt. 1912 01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,519 Well, well, well, Detective Cameron. 1913 01:13:07,551 --> 01:13:08,851 Son of a gun. Is that really you? 1914 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:10,485 Yeah, it's me alright, Walt. 1915 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,490 How's about you? Hey, can't complain. 1916 01:13:12,522 --> 01:13:13,922 Cannot complain, Raymond. 1917 01:13:13,957 --> 01:13:15,727 I never considered anybody else. 1918 01:13:15,759 --> 01:13:17,889 I wrote this police armourer character 1919 01:13:17,927 --> 01:13:19,597 and said, "Well, that's gonna be Dick Miller." 1920 01:13:19,629 --> 01:13:21,869 Flamethrower? Flamethrower!? 1921 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,698 Yeah! 1922 01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:25,503 Flamethrower, Jesus! 1923 01:13:25,535 --> 01:13:27,465 I think it plays to a general audience, 1924 01:13:27,504 --> 01:13:29,944 but it helps if you're a movie buff. 1925 01:13:29,973 --> 01:13:33,113 Most of the people who really love this movie 1926 01:13:33,142 --> 01:13:34,842 and revisit it, 1927 01:13:34,878 --> 01:13:36,748 particularly in the last couple of years, 1928 01:13:36,780 --> 01:13:38,780 know who he is and instantly see him. 1929 01:13:38,815 --> 01:13:40,775 And he generally gets a round of applause 1930 01:13:40,817 --> 01:13:42,687 just for being in the goddamn thing. 1931 01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:44,689 By the way, you gotta watch out for this baby. 1932 01:13:44,721 --> 01:13:45,961 Once you light the pilot, 1933 01:13:45,989 --> 01:13:48,529 it goes out and it plays hard to get like a son of a bitch. 1934 01:13:48,558 --> 01:13:50,688 You looking for somethin'? 1935 01:13:51,528 --> 01:13:53,998 Yeah, I wanted to use the phone... 1936 01:13:55,832 --> 01:13:57,672 AVIS: We had a cop car. 1937 01:13:57,701 --> 01:14:01,001 We used to go out on weekends with the cop car, 1938 01:14:01,037 --> 01:14:04,007 pull over crew members who were driving drunk. 1939 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,510 Not because Dick wanted to be in character, 1940 01:14:06,543 --> 01:14:08,713 but just because it was hilarious. 1941 01:14:10,547 --> 01:14:12,247 Having someone like that on set, 1942 01:14:12,281 --> 01:14:13,821 who you can ask questions to, 1943 01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:16,220 or they'll just give you a wink and say "Try that." 1944 01:14:16,252 --> 01:14:18,152 Because, a lot of the time, 1945 01:14:18,187 --> 01:14:21,527 you don't want to let actors tell you how to direct. 1946 01:14:21,558 --> 01:14:23,058 'Cause once you open that door, 1947 01:14:23,092 --> 01:14:26,462 next thing they're all over you with their suggestions. 1948 01:14:28,798 --> 01:14:30,098 INTERVIEWER: Could you talk to us about 1949 01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:33,773 some of the TV episodes that Dick has directed? 1950 01:14:33,803 --> 01:14:36,743 You know, IMDB has it wrong. 1951 01:14:36,773 --> 01:14:39,143 He has not directed anything. 1952 01:14:39,175 --> 01:14:41,745 There was somebody with the same name who has. 1953 01:14:41,778 --> 01:14:44,578 He hasn't directed anything on an official basis - 1954 01:14:44,614 --> 01:14:46,224 let me just put it that way. 1955 01:14:46,249 --> 01:14:48,719 It's dusty, Dick! 1956 01:14:48,752 --> 01:14:50,522 You remember him? 1957 01:14:50,554 --> 01:14:51,964 Do I? Yes. 1958 01:14:51,988 --> 01:14:54,058 I'm lucky I remember who you are! 1959 01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:56,630 OLEN RAY: Dick's a working actor. 1960 01:14:56,660 --> 01:14:59,930 That equalizes out to all of the films 1961 01:14:59,963 --> 01:15:03,603 that you may say here or there are questionable choices. 1962 01:15:03,633 --> 01:15:05,233 Oh my God! 1963 01:15:05,268 --> 01:15:07,898 OLEN RAY: He didn't like the way he died in Evil Toons. 1964 01:15:07,937 --> 01:15:10,107 He said it was very humiliating. 1965 01:15:11,975 --> 01:15:14,805 You clumsy sonavabitch! Look what ya did! 1966 01:15:14,844 --> 01:15:16,814 I outta turn you into scrap metal for this. 1967 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:19,146 Whenever these young directors 1968 01:15:19,182 --> 01:15:21,152 reference nostalgia, 1969 01:15:21,184 --> 01:15:23,654 they get Dick Miller. 1970 01:15:23,687 --> 01:15:26,987 And Chopping Mall was no different... 1971 01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:29,193 ROBOT: Thank you. Have a nice day. 1972 01:15:34,798 --> 01:15:36,098 In the past few years, 1973 01:15:36,132 --> 01:15:38,972 we've been doing a few of the conventions. 1974 01:15:42,672 --> 01:15:45,312 INTERVIEWER: Do you have fun going to these conventions? Sometimes. 1975 01:15:45,341 --> 01:15:47,541 Seeing your friends? What friends? 1976 01:15:52,816 --> 01:15:55,046 LAINIE: It's so funny, because you have people 1977 01:15:55,084 --> 01:15:57,724 coming with kids in strollers - 1978 01:15:57,754 --> 01:15:59,924 "Remember, that's the guy that the Gremlins 1979 01:15:59,956 --> 01:16:02,126 ran over with the snow plow!" 1980 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,700 SADLER: You wouldn't happen to know of a place around here 1981 01:16:05,729 --> 01:16:07,699 where I can bed down for the night, would ya'? 1982 01:16:07,731 --> 01:16:09,601 Well, it just so happens I do... 1983 01:16:09,633 --> 01:16:11,603 That's one of my favorite parts - 1984 01:16:11,635 --> 01:16:13,235 was Demon Knight. 1985 01:16:15,071 --> 01:16:17,111 LAINIE: I was extremely pleased 1986 01:16:17,140 --> 01:16:19,210 when he was cast in that movie, 1987 01:16:19,242 --> 01:16:22,882 because now was an opportunity to work, 1988 01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:24,882 yet with a different group of people. 1989 01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:26,884 You know, the character of Uncle Willy - 1990 01:16:26,916 --> 01:16:29,386 I'm trying to figure out, "Who can I get to play this? 1991 01:16:29,418 --> 01:16:33,088 Can we get Dick Miller?" 1992 01:16:33,122 --> 01:16:34,992 Jeryline... 1993 01:16:35,024 --> 01:16:37,334 You wouldn't hurt your old Uncle Willy now, wouldya baby? 1994 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,960 It was a movie that we did of Tales from the Crypt. 1995 01:16:39,996 --> 01:16:41,356 I think it was the first one that we did. 1996 01:16:41,397 --> 01:16:43,827 We were all worried about it being a feature movie 1997 01:16:43,867 --> 01:16:45,097 and if it would hold up. 1998 01:16:45,134 --> 01:16:46,944 And Dick was one of our performers. 1999 01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:49,140 It did very well. 2000 01:16:50,974 --> 01:16:52,384 I found myself in a situation - 2001 01:16:52,408 --> 01:16:56,048 To work with people whose work I grew up with. 2002 01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:57,909 Ernest Dickerson was very collaborative. 2003 01:16:57,947 --> 01:17:00,177 We worked very closely on the script. 2004 01:17:00,216 --> 01:17:02,186 We worked very closely on the casting. 2005 01:17:02,218 --> 01:17:04,848 I was next to him every day, shot by shot... 2006 01:17:04,888 --> 01:17:07,158 Get the pussy off the table! 2007 01:17:07,190 --> 01:17:08,990 [Laugh] 2008 01:17:09,025 --> 01:17:11,995 The great secret, it seems to me, 2009 01:17:12,028 --> 01:17:14,028 to the craft of acting, is to work, 2010 01:17:14,063 --> 01:17:16,273 and work with the best people you can. 2011 01:17:16,299 --> 01:17:18,839 DICKERSON: It was just a really good ensemble 2012 01:17:18,868 --> 01:17:21,298 and they felt very much at ease with each other. 2013 01:17:23,172 --> 01:17:25,142 Whenever you kill an actor in a movie, 2014 01:17:25,174 --> 01:17:26,984 you seem to kind of know them a little differently. 2015 01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:28,180 Yeah, he was a pain in the neck. 2016 01:17:28,211 --> 01:17:31,281 We tried to cut off his head. He wouldn't let us do it. 2017 01:17:31,314 --> 01:17:32,784 Oh, man! 2018 01:17:32,816 --> 01:17:34,116 So there was a lot of togetherness on the set. 2019 01:17:34,150 --> 01:17:35,750 It was sort of like every scene 2020 01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:37,345 involved the whole group 2021 01:17:37,386 --> 01:17:38,886 running frightened 2022 01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:40,362 from Billy Zane and company. 2023 01:17:40,389 --> 01:17:41,959 Fuckin' ho dunk, po dunk, 2024 01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:43,791 well-them-there mother fuckers! 2025 01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:45,387 [Laughs] 2026 01:17:45,428 --> 01:17:47,398 Holy shit! 2027 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:49,700 Hi, Uncle Willy! 2028 01:17:49,733 --> 01:17:50,833 Poor Uncle Willy... 2029 01:17:50,867 --> 01:17:52,897 LAINIE: Demon Knight, the ladies - DICK: We shot - 2030 01:17:52,936 --> 01:17:54,036 LAINIE: They didn't have any clothes on! 2031 01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:56,840 We shot 17 or 18 takes on that. 2032 01:17:56,873 --> 01:17:58,443 What else could Dick do? 2033 01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:00,214 I mean, really? 2034 01:18:00,243 --> 01:18:03,183 It was kinda like a dairy farm... 2035 01:18:03,212 --> 01:18:05,082 DICKERSON: He's always been Dick. 2036 01:18:05,114 --> 01:18:07,084 I think it is his personality. 2037 01:18:07,116 --> 01:18:11,246 INTERVIEWER: Who is that? That's my wife. 2038 01:18:11,287 --> 01:18:12,887 Lainie! 2039 01:18:12,922 --> 01:18:14,392 Lookin' at your picture! 2040 01:18:14,423 --> 01:18:16,133 DICKERSON: No matter what role he plays, 2041 01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:17,889 who he is always comes out. 2042 01:18:17,927 --> 01:18:20,997 BEHR: I was looking at his old school tats. 2043 01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:22,770 I was asking him about it, 2044 01:18:22,799 --> 01:18:24,099 and he talked about how he got them. 2045 01:18:24,133 --> 01:18:26,473 He was a sailor and he was young. 2046 01:18:26,502 --> 01:18:28,442 And he looked at me 2047 01:18:28,471 --> 01:18:31,071 and he said, really serious - 2048 01:18:31,107 --> 01:18:32,937 with a twinkle, but serious - 2049 01:18:32,976 --> 01:18:34,936 "If I ever find out 2050 01:18:34,978 --> 01:18:37,078 that you get a tattoo, 2051 01:18:37,113 --> 01:18:39,223 I'm gonna fuckin' kill you. 2052 01:18:39,248 --> 01:18:42,218 Because what's cool at 20... 2053 01:18:42,251 --> 01:18:45,091 is an embarrassment at 50." 2054 01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,330 It is wisdom. 2055 01:18:49,358 --> 01:18:51,428 When I met Dick, 2056 01:18:51,460 --> 01:18:52,960 I thought I'd get, you know, 2057 01:18:52,996 --> 01:18:55,296 a whole bunch of things from him, 2058 01:18:55,331 --> 01:18:57,301 but I never really thought about wisdom. 2059 01:18:57,333 --> 01:18:59,473 You don't think about wisdom with actors, necessarily. 2060 01:18:59,502 --> 01:19:01,972 You don't have any ID. 2061 01:19:02,005 --> 01:19:03,805 You don't have any money, 2062 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,340 and you're both dressed like clowns. 2063 01:19:05,374 --> 01:19:06,844 You figure it out. 2064 01:19:06,876 --> 01:19:08,406 BEHR: By the time I was running Deep Space, 2065 01:19:08,444 --> 01:19:11,084 I thought, OK, I really wanted something special. 2066 01:19:11,114 --> 01:19:13,984 We had this part of this camp guard 2067 01:19:14,017 --> 01:19:16,987 who could have been played by a 30 year old, 2068 01:19:17,020 --> 01:19:19,990 tall, muscular guy. 2069 01:19:20,023 --> 01:19:21,993 And I thought, "No, no, no. 2070 01:19:22,025 --> 01:19:23,525 This is the part for Dick." 2071 01:19:23,559 --> 01:19:25,329 Now sit down, shut up, 2072 01:19:25,361 --> 01:19:26,561 fill out the forms, 2073 01:19:26,595 --> 01:19:28,995 and if you have any problems, don't come to me with them. 2074 01:19:29,032 --> 01:19:30,532 BEHR: The guy carrying this 2075 01:19:30,566 --> 01:19:33,266 big-ass futuristic rifle 2076 01:19:33,302 --> 01:19:36,412 is not maybe your first thought 2077 01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,409 for a Dick Miller role. 2078 01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:40,881 But he plays it - 2079 01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:42,910 You know, you never question it. 2080 01:19:42,946 --> 01:19:45,146 And I wish that more people 2081 01:19:45,181 --> 01:19:48,021 had cast him in that kinda thing, 2082 01:19:48,051 --> 01:19:50,521 because he just had chops 2083 01:19:50,553 --> 01:19:53,393 to do a wider range of parts. 2084 01:19:53,422 --> 01:19:56,562 LAINIE: Dick used to go to Theodore's for breakfast. 2085 01:19:56,592 --> 01:19:59,402 Quentin Tarantino comes in... 2086 01:19:59,428 --> 01:20:02,198 He told Dick what a fan he was of his. 2087 01:20:02,231 --> 01:20:04,071 Low and behold, the next day, 2088 01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:05,430 our phone rings at home 2089 01:20:05,468 --> 01:20:08,298 and they're calling for Pulp Fiction! 2090 01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:13,440 He played Monster Joe. 2091 01:20:13,476 --> 01:20:15,846 Monster Joe was a guy 2092 01:20:15,879 --> 01:20:17,849 who had a junkyard. 2093 01:20:17,881 --> 01:20:19,181 But that's what he did 2094 01:20:19,215 --> 01:20:22,185 and that whole scene was cut out! 2095 01:20:22,218 --> 01:20:24,188 Tell ya what - If you ever need it, 2096 01:20:24,220 --> 01:20:26,560 I'll dispose of a body part for free. 2097 01:20:26,589 --> 01:20:28,219 How about an upgrade? 2098 01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:30,257 DICK: Pulp Fiction got me a little bugged. 2099 01:20:30,293 --> 01:20:31,963 If you make enough pictures, 2100 01:20:31,995 --> 01:20:34,925 you're gonna hit all the stops in the road. 2101 01:20:34,964 --> 01:20:38,074 LAINIE: Not that he hadn't been cut out of things before. 2102 01:20:38,101 --> 01:20:39,401 In an actor's life, 2103 01:20:39,435 --> 01:20:42,205 I can't tell you how many times the averages is 2104 01:20:42,238 --> 01:20:45,638 that somebody gets cut out of something that they've shot. 2105 01:20:45,674 --> 01:20:48,144 But this was a big deal for him. 2106 01:20:48,177 --> 01:20:50,107 [Laughing] I could take out an ad in the Yellow Pages. 2107 01:20:50,146 --> 01:20:52,316 I gotta run that past my accountant. 2108 01:20:57,153 --> 01:21:00,363 LAINIE: Cutaways was a short 2109 01:21:00,389 --> 01:21:01,889 that is directed 2110 01:21:01,925 --> 01:21:04,955 by a lady named Agnieszka Kurant. 2111 01:21:04,994 --> 01:21:08,134 She is actually an artist and sculptor. 2112 01:21:08,164 --> 01:21:11,234 But she wrote and directed this short 2113 01:21:11,267 --> 01:21:13,997 about people who were 2114 01:21:14,037 --> 01:21:16,137 cut out of movies - 2115 01:21:16,172 --> 01:21:19,642 Abe Vigoda, who was in The Conversation, 2116 01:21:19,675 --> 01:21:21,945 and Dick, with Pulp Fiction. 2117 01:21:21,978 --> 01:21:24,548 So her premise in using these people 2118 01:21:24,580 --> 01:21:28,150 is they meet somewhere in the Netherworld, 2119 01:21:28,184 --> 01:21:31,454 and it's really quite interesting. 2120 01:21:31,487 --> 01:21:33,557 You know, I didn't know what to expect. 2121 01:21:33,589 --> 01:21:37,029 It has been a long time since Pulp Fiction came out. 2122 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,030 And all of a sudden, 2123 01:21:39,062 --> 01:21:41,932 when the director yells "Action," 2124 01:21:41,965 --> 01:21:43,925 all of the years peel off of Dick, 2125 01:21:43,967 --> 01:21:46,437 and there he is - again. 2126 01:21:48,304 --> 01:21:50,944 BILL: That's one of the great things about Dick - 2127 01:21:50,974 --> 01:21:52,614 that he loves, 2128 01:21:52,641 --> 01:21:55,011 loves being an actor. 2129 01:21:55,044 --> 01:21:56,154 If you're lucky enough - 2130 01:21:56,179 --> 01:21:59,279 and I say this about what I do to a certain extent - 2131 01:21:59,315 --> 01:22:02,285 but if you can have a job like, or do something, 2132 01:22:02,318 --> 01:22:04,948 that's you're so committed to, that you love so much, 2133 01:22:04,988 --> 01:22:07,018 I think that really is 2134 01:22:07,056 --> 01:22:09,326 the most important thing in life. 2135 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:12,430 LAINIE: There were so many years 2136 01:22:12,461 --> 01:22:13,631 we would have loved to have a vacation. 2137 01:22:13,662 --> 01:22:16,202 We never could put the money together to have a vacation. 2138 01:22:16,232 --> 01:22:18,202 We didn't even really have a honeymoon 2139 01:22:18,234 --> 01:22:21,704 until he went to do The Long Ride Home. 2140 01:22:21,737 --> 01:22:24,107 And when I showed up, 2141 01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:26,140 we called that our honeymoon. 2142 01:22:26,175 --> 01:22:28,435 Since then, things have changed. 2143 01:22:28,477 --> 01:22:32,117 And we've gone to Hawaii a number of times... 2144 01:22:32,148 --> 01:22:37,148 [**] 2145 01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:52,599 BILL: He's always so committed to being an actor. 2146 01:22:52,635 --> 01:22:55,135 He's so focused on being an actor. 2147 01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:56,611 I would say it's an important part of his life, 2148 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,509 I would say, being an actor, I guess. 2149 01:22:58,541 --> 01:23:02,211 Elaine and being an actor is his whole life. 2150 01:23:02,245 --> 01:23:04,205 And I think the two of them 2151 01:23:04,247 --> 01:23:06,217 have gotten along absolutely famously. 2152 01:23:06,249 --> 01:23:08,219 I know that he regards her very highly, 2153 01:23:08,251 --> 01:23:09,521 and I know she really loves him. 2154 01:23:09,552 --> 01:23:11,392 I don't have any doubts about that. 2155 01:23:11,420 --> 01:23:14,760 Because, although I was really not in show business myself, 2156 01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:16,630 I worked in the film studios. 2157 01:23:16,659 --> 01:23:18,289 And getting to know some of the people 2158 01:23:18,327 --> 01:23:19,627 who were there all the time, 2159 01:23:19,662 --> 01:23:21,762 I'm proud at the fact that he made it. 2160 01:23:21,797 --> 01:23:29,107 [**] 2161 01:23:29,138 --> 01:23:31,238 LAINIE: Every role is special. 2162 01:23:31,274 --> 01:23:33,384 He just looks at each role - 2163 01:23:33,409 --> 01:23:35,439 that there is nothing else 2164 01:23:35,478 --> 01:23:38,478 and it doesn't matter if the picture is a big picture, 2165 01:23:38,514 --> 01:23:40,224 or if the picture is a small picture, 2166 01:23:40,249 --> 01:23:42,349 whatever it is, 2167 01:23:42,385 --> 01:23:44,115 and I think that's his secret. 2168 01:23:44,153 --> 01:23:47,123 Because he gives everything his all. 2169 01:23:47,156 --> 01:23:50,126 One of the words he uses a lot.... 2170 01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:51,829 I understand why he uses it, 2171 01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:53,400 but personally, 2172 01:23:53,429 --> 01:23:55,659 it's a little bit of a knife to me. 2173 01:23:55,698 --> 01:23:58,168 He goes, "Oh yeah, that was a nice little part. 2174 01:23:58,201 --> 01:23:59,671 That was a nice little part." 2175 01:23:59,702 --> 01:24:01,372 That's what he says a lot. 2176 01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:03,744 And I hate the little of it, you know? 2177 01:24:03,772 --> 01:24:05,272 Dick did an ER. 2178 01:24:05,308 --> 01:24:06,738 I don't know if you saw that clip. 2179 01:24:06,775 --> 01:24:08,575 That's one of his best, too. 2180 01:24:08,611 --> 01:24:12,281 Oh, Mr. Ackerman I can't take you outside to smoke marijuana. 2181 01:24:12,315 --> 01:24:16,285 I'm probably not able to inhale anyway... 2182 01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:18,349 "Now this ER thing, they don't cut. 2183 01:24:18,387 --> 01:24:20,257 This is gonna be on the air, right?" 2184 01:24:20,289 --> 01:24:21,559 I said, "Yeah, 2185 01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:23,260 you're damn right it's gonna be on the air. 2186 01:24:23,292 --> 01:24:24,392 "Because she's in it!" 2187 01:24:24,427 --> 01:24:26,597 "Yeah, it's gonna be on the air because she's in it." 2188 01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:30,129 If you're on screen for a very short period of time, 2189 01:24:30,166 --> 01:24:31,426 you don't have a lot of time 2190 01:24:31,467 --> 01:24:33,397 to establish a character or any quirks, 2191 01:24:33,436 --> 01:24:35,836 so you work in slightly bolder strokes. 2192 01:24:35,871 --> 01:24:38,271 And I think that's one of the things that a good day-player, 2193 01:24:38,307 --> 01:24:39,637 a good character actor does, 2194 01:24:39,675 --> 01:24:41,705 no matter what size of the part. 2195 01:24:41,744 --> 01:24:43,654 They embody the character so much, 2196 01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:46,349 you feel like when the camera leaves that shop 2197 01:24:46,382 --> 01:24:47,822 or wherever you encountered that character, 2198 01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:49,820 the character is still there doing business. 2199 01:24:49,852 --> 01:24:52,492 And you could have stayed, and that would have been 2200 01:24:52,521 --> 01:24:54,391 an interesting person to hang around with. 2201 01:24:54,423 --> 01:24:56,163 I've always been delighted 2202 01:24:56,192 --> 01:24:59,462 when guys who started with me move on, 2203 01:24:59,495 --> 01:25:01,755 and I'm proud of what Dick has done. 2204 01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:06,169 LAINIE: We love going on cruises and traveling. 2205 01:25:06,202 --> 01:25:09,472 We like to see new places. 2206 01:25:09,505 --> 01:25:11,865 We like to meet new people. 2207 01:25:11,907 --> 01:25:15,207 We really like to meet up again with old friends 2208 01:25:15,244 --> 01:25:18,214 that we haven't seen for a long time. 2209 01:25:18,247 --> 01:25:20,517 We'll go anywhere to dance, 2210 01:25:20,549 --> 01:25:23,389 especially if it's got good music. 2211 01:25:26,822 --> 01:25:30,292 How do you like that? 2212 01:25:30,326 --> 01:25:32,296 LAINIE: Like what? 2213 01:25:32,328 --> 01:25:34,528 The boating thing. I could do that. 2214 01:25:38,667 --> 01:25:41,297 Dick is one of my treasured friends 2215 01:25:41,337 --> 01:25:42,807 and colleagues. 2216 01:25:42,838 --> 01:25:45,508 I would certainly think that my work over the years 2217 01:25:45,541 --> 01:25:47,381 wouldn't have been quite as much fun, 2218 01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:49,380 for me or for the people who watch it, 2219 01:25:49,412 --> 01:25:50,912 if Dick wasn't involved. 2220 01:25:54,583 --> 01:25:56,753 That's it. That's the end of the picture. 2221 01:25:58,587 --> 01:26:00,557 Unfortunately, I think it's my last one. 2222 01:26:00,589 --> 01:26:04,259 I really do. I'm tired... 2223 01:26:04,293 --> 01:26:05,893 It's time to retire. 2224 01:26:05,928 --> 01:26:08,258 LAINIE: Dick, you got a phone call. Just a second. 2225 01:26:08,297 --> 01:26:09,927 And I've had it. 2226 01:26:09,965 --> 01:26:12,735 I don't think I'll do anymore, that's the end of it. 2227 01:26:12,768 --> 01:26:14,798 I'm through, really. 2228 01:26:14,837 --> 01:26:17,807 Hello? 2229 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,840 Yeah, I'm available! 159301

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