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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,042 --> 00:00:03,500 [music playing] 2 00:00:03,583 --> 00:00:04,708 NARRATOR: Tonight on "Beyond Skinwalker Ranch." 3 00:00:04,792 --> 00:00:06,333 STAN GORDON: Back in 1965, an object 4 00:00:06,417 --> 00:00:10,042 came in about 4:47 PM over the Greater Pittsburgh area. 5 00:00:10,125 --> 00:00:12,583 There was guys out there in dark suits. 6 00:00:12,708 --> 00:00:15,000 STAN GORDON: The official explanation was the next day, 7 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:16,333 it was a bright meteor in the sky. 8 00:00:16,417 --> 00:00:18,167 RON STRUBLE: They went to their death bed 9 00:00:18,208 --> 00:00:21,208 stating that something did happen here in Kecksburg. 10 00:00:21,292 --> 00:00:22,708 PETE KELSEY: I've got dead stick, 11 00:00:22,792 --> 00:00:26,167 which is really concerning because I can't abort. 12 00:00:26,292 --> 00:00:27,833 It's just freaking me out. 13 00:00:27,958 --> 00:00:29,667 That's manmade earthwork. 14 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:30,708 It's impossible. 15 00:00:30,833 --> 00:00:32,250 I mean, here we go again, right? 16 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:34,125 TRAVIS TAYLOR: This looks like it's just coming 17 00:00:34,208 --> 00:00:35,083 out of the dadgum ground. 18 00:00:35,167 --> 00:00:36,417 That shouldn't be there. 19 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:37,917 Whatever that is, it shouldn't be there. 20 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,542 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We might have actually 21 00:00:39,625 --> 00:00:41,792 found the real crash site. 22 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:43,417 I want my mommy. 23 00:00:43,542 --> 00:00:45,500 NARRATOR: For years, scientists have 24 00:00:45,583 --> 00:00:49,708 been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch. 25 00:00:49,792 --> 00:00:51,875 But is it possible that the clues 26 00:00:51,958 --> 00:00:54,500 to unlock the mystery are located 27 00:00:54,625 --> 00:00:58,333 beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness? 28 00:00:58,417 --> 00:01:00,083 Wow! 29 00:01:00,083 --> 00:01:03,042 NARRATOR: Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist 30 00:01:03,125 --> 00:01:05,250 have been recruited by the Skinwalker team 31 00:01:05,375 --> 00:01:07,333 to go on a high-stakes mission across America. 32 00:01:07,375 --> 00:01:09,792 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look at all this activity that's happening. 33 00:01:09,875 --> 00:01:10,917 PAUL BEBAN: That's unbelievable. 34 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 MAN: That is right over our heads. 35 00:01:12,083 --> 00:01:13,500 That's it. That's it right there. 36 00:01:13,542 --> 00:01:14,875 NARRATOR: The goal, uncover evidence that 37 00:01:14,958 --> 00:01:16,875 may finally expose the truth. 38 00:01:16,958 --> 00:01:18,250 MAN: How is this happening? 39 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:19,458 MAN: Now it's going to get interesting. 40 00:01:19,542 --> 00:01:20,708 MAN: Look, it's moving! MAN: Look at that! 41 00:01:20,792 --> 00:01:21,542 MAN: Look at that. 42 00:01:21,625 --> 00:01:24,333 MAN: Whoa! 43 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:27,208 MAN: This is just the beginning. 44 00:01:27,208 --> 00:01:31,208 [music playing] 45 00:01:31,292 --> 00:01:34,167 ERIK BARD: Andy, Paul, where are you about to take us? 46 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:36,958 So you've all heard of the Roswell crash. 47 00:01:37,042 --> 00:01:37,875 Sure. 48 00:01:37,958 --> 00:01:39,167 Who hasn't? 49 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:40,958 But have you heard of the Kecksburg crash? 50 00:01:40,958 --> 00:01:42,208 Yes, I have. 51 00:01:42,292 --> 00:01:43,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Kecksburg, Pennsylvania-- 52 00:01:43,583 --> 00:01:45,000 Yes. 53 00:01:45,042 --> 00:01:46,667 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: --had a relatively well-known, 54 00:01:46,708 --> 00:01:50,708 amongst our community, crash in 1965, that has really kind of 55 00:01:50,792 --> 00:01:51,875 become an unanswered cold case. 56 00:01:51,958 --> 00:01:53,542 Well, I'll confess. 57 00:01:53,625 --> 00:01:56,583 Look, I've been hoping that we might engage this story. 58 00:01:56,667 --> 00:01:58,042 You have? 59 00:01:58,125 --> 00:01:59,833 I know a little bit about it, as does Travis. 60 00:01:59,917 --> 00:02:02,500 And so this is really exciting. 61 00:02:02,542 --> 00:02:05,667 So the story is that there is some kind of craft, 62 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:09,750 or space debris, or something that came down there, 63 00:02:09,875 --> 00:02:11,250 acorn-shaped. 64 00:02:11,333 --> 00:02:14,000 But what it is, or what it was, or what happened 65 00:02:14,042 --> 00:02:16,167 remains really kind of shrouded in mystery. 66 00:02:16,292 --> 00:02:18,167 There were a lot of witnesses at the time. 67 00:02:18,250 --> 00:02:21,042 It got a lot of coverage, and then just sort of faded 68 00:02:21,167 --> 00:02:24,000 from view under, it seems like, sort of a cloak 69 00:02:24,083 --> 00:02:26,417 of secrecy and some cover up. 70 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,458 We have an opportunity now to go in Kecksburg 71 00:02:29,542 --> 00:02:32,167 and see if we can't bring some of the most modern technology 72 00:02:32,292 --> 00:02:33,708 that we have available to us to try 73 00:02:33,792 --> 00:02:36,125 to answer the unanswered questions about what happened 74 00:02:36,208 --> 00:02:37,083 in this location. 75 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:38,833 This sounds pretty ambitious. 76 00:02:38,917 --> 00:02:40,958 We don't know what this thing is or how it worked or whatever, 77 00:02:41,083 --> 00:02:41,833 right? - Right. 78 00:02:41,917 --> 00:02:43,542 Was it really a UFO? 79 00:02:43,625 --> 00:02:48,042 Was it a downed experimental craft that was being worked on? 80 00:02:48,167 --> 00:02:49,542 Who knows what it could have been? 81 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:52,000 One asset that we feel like we've got going in here 82 00:02:52,083 --> 00:02:53,875 is a guy named Stan Gordon, a guy who 83 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,542 was local to the area, who was really captivated by this 84 00:02:57,625 --> 00:03:00,917 as a young man, and ever since has really 85 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,250 been sort of a clearinghouse of stories related to Kecksburg 86 00:03:05,333 --> 00:03:06,875 and everything else. 87 00:03:06,875 --> 00:03:08,333 He sounds like a real treasure trove of information 88 00:03:08,458 --> 00:03:09,667 on this particular-- - For sure. 89 00:03:09,792 --> 00:03:11,292 --area. 90 00:03:11,375 --> 00:03:12,750 And the story may be bigger than Kecksburg itself. 91 00:03:12,833 --> 00:03:15,167 And here's where we think it gets really interesting. 92 00:03:15,208 --> 00:03:17,708 Kecksburg itself is located in an area 93 00:03:17,792 --> 00:03:19,417 called the Chestnut Ridge. 94 00:03:19,542 --> 00:03:22,583 And Chestnut Ridge is a 100-mile long subrange 95 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:24,750 of the Appalachians, where it turns 96 00:03:24,833 --> 00:03:27,667 out there are reports of all kinds of high strangeness. 97 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:29,875 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're also going to see another site 98 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,167 that's called Livermore. 99 00:03:31,292 --> 00:03:33,042 And Livermore is 45-minute drive, maybe 100 00:03:33,125 --> 00:03:34,625 50 miles away from Kecksburg. 101 00:03:34,708 --> 00:03:36,500 PAUL BEBAN: And the backstory of Livermore, 102 00:03:36,542 --> 00:03:40,500 it's a historical-- it's sort of a pre-colonial settlement that 103 00:03:40,625 --> 00:03:43,208 was flooded and effectively destroyed. 104 00:03:43,292 --> 00:03:45,292 The story goes that there are reports 105 00:03:45,375 --> 00:03:48,458 of UFOs, of strange lights, of strange noises, 106 00:03:48,542 --> 00:03:51,333 of cryptids that seem to haunt the area. 107 00:03:51,417 --> 00:03:54,375 The parallels between Skinwalker Ranch and the larger 108 00:03:54,458 --> 00:03:56,333 Chestnut Ridge centered around Kecksburg 109 00:03:56,375 --> 00:03:58,167 are just too many to ignore. 110 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:59,833 I think we have some ambitious plans for this. 111 00:03:59,875 --> 00:04:01,292 Yeah. 112 00:04:01,375 --> 00:04:02,917 Well, I feel like this is a topic where-- 113 00:04:03,042 --> 00:04:05,458 and an area where certainly an ambitious effort is warranted. 114 00:04:05,542 --> 00:04:07,167 Yeah. Can't wait to see what you find. 115 00:04:07,292 --> 00:04:08,042 Absolutely. 116 00:04:08,125 --> 00:04:09,458 Right on. 117 00:04:09,542 --> 00:04:10,417 PAUL BEBAN: We're excited to get out there. 118 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:11,542 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good luck, guys. 119 00:04:11,667 --> 00:04:13,667 [music playing] 120 00:04:21,542 --> 00:04:24,708 NARRATOR: To kick off their investigation at Chestnut Ridge, 121 00:04:24,792 --> 00:04:28,458 Andy and Paul meet with Stan Gordon near the supposed crash 122 00:04:28,583 --> 00:04:32,333 site in Kecksburg to learn more about the alleged UFO 123 00:04:32,458 --> 00:04:35,417 incident that occurred in 1965. 124 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:36,833 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Thanks for having us. 125 00:04:36,917 --> 00:04:40,458 Well, here we are in the shadow of the UFO itself. 126 00:04:40,542 --> 00:04:42,000 STAN GORDON: Yeah, that's a replica 127 00:04:42,125 --> 00:04:45,375 of what witnesses said they saw that night back in 1965. 128 00:04:45,458 --> 00:04:47,208 PAUL BEBAN: I mean, this is the origin story 129 00:04:47,292 --> 00:04:49,167 of this whole region, right? 130 00:04:49,250 --> 00:04:50,833 I mean, this is where it all began. 131 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:52,833 STAN GORDON: This was the case that people remember and talk 132 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:54,667 about throughout this area in Pennsylvania 133 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:56,375 and even around the country. - Right. 134 00:04:56,458 --> 00:04:57,667 Can you tell me what happened? 135 00:04:57,750 --> 00:05:00,500 An object came in about 4:47 PM over 136 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:02,125 the greater Pittsburgh area. 137 00:05:02,125 --> 00:05:04,833 The police departments, the radio and TV stations, 138 00:05:04,875 --> 00:05:06,750 newspaper offices were jammed with phone calls 139 00:05:06,833 --> 00:05:09,042 from people seeing this brilliant, fiery object. 140 00:05:09,125 --> 00:05:11,417 The witnesses who saw this thing that afternoon 141 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:14,250 in this general area said it was moving very slowly, 142 00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:15,917 almost like it was controlled. 143 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,083 And the people saw it go down said it did not come 144 00:05:18,167 --> 00:05:19,792 down at a high rate of speed. 145 00:05:19,875 --> 00:05:22,333 It came down almost like it was making a controlled landing. 146 00:05:22,458 --> 00:05:24,750 And who issued this official report? 147 00:05:24,833 --> 00:05:25,833 Was it local police? 148 00:05:25,958 --> 00:05:26,958 Was it state police? 149 00:05:27,042 --> 00:05:29,375 Who was the last word on this? 150 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:35,625 And it wasn't until 1987 when I was holding 151 00:05:35,708 --> 00:05:38,500 a very large public display at the local mall, 152 00:05:38,542 --> 00:05:41,500 and a man happened to walk by with his family. 153 00:05:41,583 --> 00:05:43,042 And they said, I was on the search 154 00:05:43,167 --> 00:05:44,458 team that found the object. 155 00:05:44,542 --> 00:05:46,750 And what they found was not an aircraft. 156 00:05:46,833 --> 00:05:50,500 And he said it was a large metallic acorn-shaped object 157 00:05:50,583 --> 00:05:51,875 semi-buried in the ground. 158 00:05:51,958 --> 00:05:54,333 NARRATOR: Although Stan and others have applied 159 00:05:54,417 --> 00:05:57,333 for government records surrounding what actually landed 160 00:05:57,417 --> 00:06:00,833 and was removed from Kecksburg, nothing substantial 161 00:06:00,875 --> 00:06:02,708 has ever been released. 162 00:06:02,708 --> 00:06:05,458 I think we just start with the impact site. 163 00:06:05,542 --> 00:06:07,417 Can you take us to that location? 164 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:09,083 I can take you down to the wooded area 165 00:06:09,167 --> 00:06:10,375 where the object fell. 166 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,083 And, uh, there's two other fellows 167 00:06:12,167 --> 00:06:14,583 that I know from the local area who were witnesses that night 168 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:16,208 to different aspects of it. 169 00:06:16,292 --> 00:06:17,917 And they can meet us down there in the woods. 170 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,583 Absolutely. 171 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:21,500 That sounds fantastic. 172 00:06:21,583 --> 00:06:24,250 NARRATOR: With Stan in tow, Andy and Paul 173 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,875 now make the short drive to the outskirts of town 174 00:06:26,958 --> 00:06:30,375 to the area suspected to be the UFO crash 175 00:06:30,458 --> 00:06:33,542 site, although the exact location of the landing 176 00:06:33,625 --> 00:06:35,625 remains a mystery. 177 00:06:35,708 --> 00:06:37,000 Hey, good morning, gentlemen. 178 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:38,625 Good morning. 179 00:06:38,708 --> 00:06:40,792 NARRATOR: They're met by eyewitnesses Bill Weaver and Ron 180 00:06:40,792 --> 00:06:44,042 Struble to learn what the two men saw on the evening 181 00:06:44,125 --> 00:06:46,958 of December 9, 1965. 182 00:06:47,042 --> 00:06:50,500 Now, if I'm understanding correctly, then your research 183 00:06:50,625 --> 00:06:53,125 and the witnesses that you've spoken to place the objects 184 00:06:53,208 --> 00:06:54,417 basically in this wash. 185 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:55,333 Is that correct? 186 00:06:55,375 --> 00:06:56,667 Correct. 187 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,583 And then the experience that you gentlemen had 188 00:06:58,708 --> 00:07:01,042 confirms that this is the right patch of woods, 189 00:07:01,167 --> 00:07:03,958 but neither of you know firsthand where it landed? 190 00:07:04,042 --> 00:07:05,875 I was not down here, no. 191 00:07:05,958 --> 00:07:08,083 I came after it landed. 192 00:07:08,167 --> 00:07:09,167 It was a nice night. 193 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:10,625 I had the top down. 194 00:07:10,708 --> 00:07:12,292 I was out for a ride. 195 00:07:12,375 --> 00:07:16,000 I seen there were some people standing alongside the road 196 00:07:16,125 --> 00:07:17,500 there, and I stopped. 197 00:07:17,542 --> 00:07:19,542 They pointed back this way. 198 00:07:19,667 --> 00:07:24,625 The police and the military, they were all over the place. 199 00:07:24,708 --> 00:07:29,333 And there was guys out there in dark suits. 200 00:07:29,417 --> 00:07:32,125 They were the ones that seemed to be in charge. 201 00:07:32,208 --> 00:07:33,667 There was a large truck. 202 00:07:33,708 --> 00:07:37,000 And out of that truck came a large box. 203 00:07:37,083 --> 00:07:41,500 And they carried it down in the direction of where 204 00:07:41,583 --> 00:07:43,583 this thing had come down. 205 00:07:43,667 --> 00:07:45,625 So you were up on the road watching all this? 206 00:07:45,708 --> 00:07:46,708 Yes. 207 00:07:46,833 --> 00:07:48,208 You were not able to get down here? 208 00:07:48,292 --> 00:07:49,958 I was not down here, no. 209 00:07:50,042 --> 00:07:53,875 While we were standing there watching what was going on, 210 00:07:53,958 --> 00:07:58,458 the state police and the military come up to us 211 00:07:58,542 --> 00:08:00,500 and they told us, if you don't move, 212 00:08:00,542 --> 00:08:02,417 we're going to confiscate your car. 213 00:08:02,542 --> 00:08:05,250 And I figured I'd better move. 214 00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:06,125 [laughter] 215 00:08:06,208 --> 00:08:07,833 So I did. 216 00:08:07,958 --> 00:08:09,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Ron, what do you recall from that night? 217 00:08:09,583 --> 00:08:13,792 Well, we looked out our bedroom window in Greensburg, 218 00:08:13,875 --> 00:08:16,833 and we'd seen the orange streak in the sky. 219 00:08:16,917 --> 00:08:19,083 Within 20 minutes, we were out here. 220 00:08:19,167 --> 00:08:23,750 And the firemen was already up here with the, uh, road control 221 00:08:23,875 --> 00:08:26,083 to make sure that nobody got down in here. 222 00:08:26,167 --> 00:08:29,708 And I could see the military down in this hole. 223 00:08:29,792 --> 00:08:31,208 I mean, that's a very fast response. 224 00:08:31,292 --> 00:08:32,708 Right? 225 00:08:32,833 --> 00:08:35,000 I mean, is there a military base nearby? 226 00:08:35,083 --> 00:08:37,250 I'm suspicious that this is National Guard. 227 00:08:37,333 --> 00:08:38,833 They'd be the first ones called in. 228 00:08:38,875 --> 00:08:40,875 And then when I hear you talk about men in suits, 229 00:08:40,958 --> 00:08:42,542 the first thing that comes to my mind 230 00:08:42,625 --> 00:08:45,667 is some sort of administrative official, FBI. 231 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:47,542 That would have come from further, though. 232 00:08:47,625 --> 00:08:49,417 That would have come from possibly Pittsburgh. 233 00:08:49,542 --> 00:08:52,500 How did such a team converge on this location 234 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:54,042 in such a short period of time? - Yes. 235 00:08:54,208 --> 00:08:56,333 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Certain elements of this story just 236 00:08:56,375 --> 00:08:57,708 aren't adding up. 237 00:08:57,833 --> 00:08:59,500 If it really was some sort of catastrophic disaster 238 00:08:59,583 --> 00:09:01,958 like an airplane crash or a meteor strike, 239 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:03,583 it would take a long time for those people 240 00:09:03,667 --> 00:09:04,917 to get to the location. 241 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,542 I mean, instead, what this sounds 242 00:09:06,625 --> 00:09:08,667 like is there was some sort of early warning system. 243 00:09:08,750 --> 00:09:10,833 Somebody was watching this long before it ever 244 00:09:10,917 --> 00:09:12,500 entered the atmosphere, and they were 245 00:09:12,583 --> 00:09:14,667 able to project approximately where it would land. 246 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:16,458 That would give them enough of a head start 247 00:09:16,542 --> 00:09:18,167 to get military and government in motion 248 00:09:18,250 --> 00:09:21,833 to intercept the location and keep the public out. 249 00:09:21,917 --> 00:09:24,083 In the beginning, I was kind of a-- 250 00:09:24,167 --> 00:09:25,667 I wasn't a believer. 251 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:29,083 But then later in life, I joined the fire service. 252 00:09:29,167 --> 00:09:33,833 And, uh, during that period up until now, 253 00:09:33,917 --> 00:09:35,875 I got to know the guys really well. 254 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,042 And, uh, they told me that they were here and some of them 255 00:09:40,125 --> 00:09:44,042 drove the trucks, and they were here during the incident. 256 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:46,708 They went to their death bed stating that something 257 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:49,750 did happen here in Kecksburg. 258 00:09:54,042 --> 00:09:55,292 [music playing] 259 00:09:55,375 --> 00:09:56,208 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Yeah, I feel like we have an opportunity 260 00:09:56,333 --> 00:09:56,958 to do a survey of the area-- 261 00:09:57,042 --> 00:09:58,167 Yeah. 262 00:09:58,250 --> 00:09:59,917 --with some of our equipment and see if we can't hone 263 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,167 in data-wise on something that might be anomalous in the area. 264 00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:05,875 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, 265 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,750 with investigators Stan Gordon and two surviving eyewitnesses 266 00:10:09,833 --> 00:10:14,042 at the site of a possible UFO crash in 1965, 267 00:10:14,208 --> 00:10:17,583 that official reports said was a meteor strike. 268 00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:19,250 They're now going to look for any 269 00:10:19,375 --> 00:10:23,667 evidence that could shed light on this 60-year-old mystery. 270 00:10:23,708 --> 00:10:26,083 We're just going to see if there's any sort of energy 271 00:10:26,208 --> 00:10:27,875 signature or anything else we can find out 272 00:10:27,958 --> 00:10:30,500 that might point more specifically to where this thing 273 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:32,042 might have come down. 274 00:10:32,125 --> 00:10:34,125 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul will be using their spectrum 275 00:10:34,208 --> 00:10:38,875 analyzer and radiation meter to survey the alleged landing site. 276 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,958 They're looking for any abnormalities on the radio 277 00:10:42,042 --> 00:10:46,917 spectrum, specifically in the privileged 1.4 to 1.8 278 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,750 gigahertz frequencies, reserved for Earth-to-space and 279 00:10:50,833 --> 00:10:52,792 space-to-Earth transmissions. 280 00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:55,250 All right, are you seeing anything on the broad spectrum? 281 00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:56,917 I'll tell you, it's very flat. 282 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,708 Tiny little peaks. ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow. 283 00:10:58,792 --> 00:10:59,583 That's a quiet spectrum for sure. 284 00:10:59,667 --> 00:11:01,167 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 285 00:11:01,250 --> 00:11:02,792 NARRATOR: They're also testing for radiation levels 286 00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:05,500 above 20 microgram, which is double 287 00:11:05,625 --> 00:11:07,417 the average level in the US. 288 00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:10,792 That could indicate some residual effects of the crash. 289 00:11:10,875 --> 00:11:12,792 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So far, radiation is also showing 290 00:11:12,875 --> 00:11:14,417 very normal readings here. 291 00:11:14,542 --> 00:11:16,958 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, you can hear, Andy, nothing on the Geiger. 292 00:11:17,042 --> 00:11:17,917 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's all very consistent 293 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 down here as well, man. 294 00:11:19,042 --> 00:11:19,833 PAUL BEBAN: Yep. 295 00:11:19,917 --> 00:11:21,000 Anything above background? 296 00:11:21,042 --> 00:11:22,542 No. 297 00:11:22,625 --> 00:11:24,500 PAUL BEBAN: You know, I wonder, it feels like we need to do 298 00:11:24,625 --> 00:11:27,042 some kind of broader survey. 299 00:11:27,042 --> 00:11:30,500 There might be some evidence here that's in the landscape. 300 00:11:30,583 --> 00:11:34,250 We might be able to identify the exact location where this acorn 301 00:11:34,333 --> 00:11:37,667 landed, or potentially identify a location that 302 00:11:37,708 --> 00:11:39,250 explains why it landed here. 303 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:41,875 Either it was here before and that's why it arrived, 304 00:11:41,958 --> 00:11:45,917 or something that was left behind after the impact. 305 00:11:46,042 --> 00:11:49,833 Yeah, it'd be nice for us to know what exactly did happen. 306 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:51,958 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We'll see if we can't move the dial 307 00:11:52,042 --> 00:11:53,875 and get some answers to those questions. 308 00:12:02,833 --> 00:12:04,667 Pete, I'm happy to have you here, man. 309 00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:07,792 We have got a mystery for you, for sure. 310 00:12:07,875 --> 00:12:10,208 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul have called in Skinwalker veteran 311 00:12:10,292 --> 00:12:13,375 Pete Kelsey with his expertise and technology 312 00:12:13,458 --> 00:12:16,000 to conduct a thorough scan of the environment 313 00:12:16,083 --> 00:12:18,625 surrounding the possible UFO landing 314 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:20,417 in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. 315 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,500 All I know is some kind of an impact site, right? 316 00:12:22,583 --> 00:12:24,167 PAUL BEBAN: Right. 317 00:12:24,208 --> 00:12:25,667 From what we understand through third-hand information, 318 00:12:25,667 --> 00:12:26,667 the impact site might actually be in this 319 00:12:26,708 --> 00:12:28,500 wash area right behind us. 320 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:31,417 PAUL BEBAN: It sounds like this thing came down in this area, 321 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:32,417 right in here. 322 00:12:32,542 --> 00:12:34,000 We're not exactly sure where. 323 00:12:34,083 --> 00:12:35,958 That's what we're hoping you can help us figure out. 324 00:12:36,042 --> 00:12:39,000 Well, as you guys know, typically, the tools 325 00:12:39,083 --> 00:12:41,792 that I bring have to do with physical evidence 326 00:12:41,875 --> 00:12:43,167 right on the ground. 327 00:12:43,292 --> 00:12:45,000 I brought all the usual suspects, 328 00:12:45,042 --> 00:12:46,958 LiDAR and the SLAM scanner. 329 00:12:47,042 --> 00:12:49,083 If one of you guys want to scan, I 330 00:12:49,167 --> 00:12:52,125 can be watching the data coming in on the tablet in real time. 331 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:54,000 I'm happy to stomp around, sure. 332 00:12:54,083 --> 00:12:57,708 NARRATOR: Handheld LiDAR, also known as a SLAM scanner, 333 00:12:57,792 --> 00:13:00,417 uses laser light to map out an area. 334 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,667 It measures the time it takes for the laser to bounce back 335 00:13:03,708 --> 00:13:06,167 after hitting an object and uses that 336 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:08,583 collected data to create a detailed 337 00:13:08,667 --> 00:13:11,375 3D model of the environment. 338 00:13:11,458 --> 00:13:15,333 I just want to make sure we see data and then you're off. 339 00:13:15,375 --> 00:13:16,375 I'm good to go. 340 00:13:16,375 --> 00:13:17,917 Here we go. 341 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 NARRATOR: LiDAR technology also has the ability 342 00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:23,333 to strip away layers of vegetation 343 00:13:23,375 --> 00:13:26,417 to visualize the topography of a site, 344 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,625 which can reveal areas not easily 345 00:13:28,708 --> 00:13:30,125 detected by the naked eye. 346 00:13:30,208 --> 00:13:31,833 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We know we're looking for something 347 00:13:31,917 --> 00:13:33,500 that happened in the past. 348 00:13:33,542 --> 00:13:35,000 We have these dense woods. 349 00:13:35,042 --> 00:13:37,667 And we need a piece of tech that allows us to scrape 350 00:13:37,708 --> 00:13:39,625 away the layers of the currents in order 351 00:13:39,708 --> 00:13:41,000 to get backwards in time. 352 00:13:41,083 --> 00:13:42,625 And the SLAM scanner is exactly the kind of tool 353 00:13:42,708 --> 00:13:43,708 to make that happen. 354 00:13:43,708 --> 00:13:45,167 PETE KELSEY: So that's top down. 355 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:46,750 PAUL BEBAN: We've got a storm coming in. 356 00:13:46,875 --> 00:13:49,333 We do not have a lot of time. 357 00:13:49,375 --> 00:13:50,208 What do you think? 358 00:13:50,292 --> 00:13:51,333 Come back around? 359 00:13:51,417 --> 00:13:53,000 PETE KELSEY: Yeah, I would do a loop. 360 00:13:53,042 --> 00:13:55,458 Right where you are, I would do a loop. 361 00:13:55,542 --> 00:13:58,833 NARRATOR: With high winds and an approaching storm, 362 00:13:58,917 --> 00:14:01,375 the team moves quickly to finish scanning 363 00:14:01,375 --> 00:14:03,625 the alleged landing site. 364 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:06,458 Guys, are we good? 365 00:14:06,542 --> 00:14:07,542 Good. 366 00:14:07,625 --> 00:14:08,708 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Well done, sir. 367 00:14:08,792 --> 00:14:10,042 [laughs] 368 00:14:10,042 --> 00:14:11,667 NARRATOR: Their next plan of attack 369 00:14:11,708 --> 00:14:14,583 is to survey the area with drone LiDAR. 370 00:14:14,667 --> 00:14:18,958 However, with snow starting to fall and high winds, 371 00:14:19,042 --> 00:14:22,042 Pete is unable to safely fly the drone, 372 00:14:22,125 --> 00:14:25,583 so they'll regroup the next day to continue their investigation. 373 00:14:25,667 --> 00:14:28,542 [music playing] 374 00:14:30,625 --> 00:14:34,875 The next morning, there is snowfall and persisting winds. 375 00:14:34,958 --> 00:14:37,083 But the team is determined to conduct 376 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:40,958 their drone LiDAR survey of the greater landing site area. 377 00:14:41,042 --> 00:14:42,833 PETE KELSEY: As if this flight didn't make me 378 00:14:42,917 --> 00:14:45,500 nervous enough, just because of the weather. 379 00:14:45,542 --> 00:14:47,167 Got it. 380 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:50,958 This wind, I mean, there's a gust that's probably 25. 381 00:14:50,958 --> 00:14:52,833 But we got to try. 382 00:14:52,875 --> 00:14:54,125 We're here. 383 00:14:54,208 --> 00:14:55,625 Maybe a little reckless, but curious. 384 00:14:55,708 --> 00:14:57,000 All right. 385 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:58,167 We need the data, so if you can get it up, 386 00:14:58,250 --> 00:14:59,667 Pete, that'd be greatly appreciated. 387 00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:01,458 Let's go. 388 00:15:01,542 --> 00:15:04,792 NARRATOR: Pete Kelsey will use drone LiDAR technology 389 00:15:04,875 --> 00:15:09,000 to map the alleged UFO crash site with thousands of lasers 390 00:15:09,083 --> 00:15:12,042 to create a topographical image of the area 391 00:15:12,167 --> 00:15:16,125 and potentially uncover hidden information about exactly 392 00:15:16,208 --> 00:15:18,375 where the UFO may have landed. 393 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:19,333 Take off. 394 00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:26,667 NARRATOR: The drone's flight path is pre-programmed in a grid 395 00:15:26,750 --> 00:15:31,167 pattern to cover the surrounding area near the purported crash. 396 00:15:31,208 --> 00:15:32,625 It's really deceptive. 397 00:15:32,708 --> 00:15:34,292 If it's blowing 30 down here, it's 398 00:15:34,375 --> 00:15:37,167 probably blowing 45 up there. 399 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:39,333 All hot, straight and normal so far. 400 00:15:39,375 --> 00:15:41,167 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Clear, blue sky. 401 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:43,833 We've had three good passes already, Paul. 402 00:15:43,875 --> 00:15:46,458 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, so far, so good. 403 00:15:46,542 --> 00:15:49,500 Are you kidding me? 404 00:15:49,542 --> 00:15:50,625 OK. 405 00:15:50,708 --> 00:15:51,750 Um. 406 00:15:51,833 --> 00:15:52,667 What's going on, Pete? 407 00:15:52,708 --> 00:15:54,000 Is it pausing? 408 00:15:54,125 --> 00:15:55,292 Son of a [bleep]. 409 00:15:58,583 --> 00:16:01,375 Yeah, so I've got dead stick. 410 00:16:01,375 --> 00:16:02,917 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding? 411 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,083 PETE KELSEY: Yeah, dead stick. 412 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:05,167 I've got no control of it. 413 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:07,000 But fortunately, it's hovering. 414 00:16:07,083 --> 00:16:09,333 NARRATOR: The drone has stopped right 415 00:16:09,375 --> 00:16:12,917 as it was about to survey the ravine, which is the supposed 416 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,500 location of the UFO landing. 417 00:16:15,583 --> 00:16:16,792 I can't do anything. 418 00:16:16,875 --> 00:16:18,500 Wait, so you can't even call it back? 419 00:16:18,625 --> 00:16:20,333 No, I'm stuck, at the moment. 420 00:16:20,375 --> 00:16:21,625 [bleep] 421 00:16:22,708 --> 00:16:23,958 [bleep] 422 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:28,625 [music playing] 423 00:16:30,667 --> 00:16:31,500 PETE KELSEY: Son of a [bleep]. 424 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:32,833 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding? 425 00:16:32,917 --> 00:16:33,750 Yeah, dead stick. 426 00:16:33,833 --> 00:16:35,500 I've got no control. 427 00:16:35,625 --> 00:16:38,667 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are with Skinwalker veteran Pete Kelsey, 428 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:42,542 who's using his drone LiDAR to help them potentially uncover 429 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:46,083 hidden information about exactly where the Kecksburg 430 00:16:46,167 --> 00:16:49,458 UFO may have landed in 1965. 431 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:51,000 PETE KELSEY: I can't do anything. 432 00:16:51,125 --> 00:16:52,667 Wait, so you can't even call it back? 433 00:16:52,833 --> 00:16:54,167 No, I'm stuck. 434 00:16:54,250 --> 00:16:55,792 [bleep] 435 00:16:55,875 --> 00:16:59,167 NARRATOR: However, Pete lost all control of his drone right 436 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:01,875 when it flew over the suspected crash area. 437 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,875 Stranger still, all the diagnostics, 438 00:17:03,875 --> 00:17:09,833 avionics, batteries, everything is OK, but it's unresponsive. 439 00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:11,333 Unresponsive to you? 440 00:17:11,417 --> 00:17:13,042 Yeah, which is really concerning 441 00:17:13,125 --> 00:17:14,917 because I can't abort. 442 00:17:15,042 --> 00:17:16,625 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And it's also ignoring 443 00:17:16,708 --> 00:17:18,000 its pre-programmed route. 444 00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:19,500 PETE KELSEY: Yeah, that's right. 445 00:17:19,542 --> 00:17:21,458 It just froze. 446 00:17:21,542 --> 00:17:23,583 Uh, uh, uh, uh. 447 00:17:23,708 --> 00:17:25,167 OK. 448 00:17:25,208 --> 00:17:27,000 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: What's it doing? 449 00:17:27,083 --> 00:17:29,083 It's responding. 450 00:17:29,167 --> 00:17:30,000 Forgive me, guys. 451 00:17:30,042 --> 00:17:31,000 I'm going to-- 452 00:17:31,125 --> 00:17:32,708 I've got to abort. 453 00:17:32,792 --> 00:17:34,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Are you flying it home manually right now? 454 00:17:34,583 --> 00:17:36,542 PETE KELSEY: Yeah, I've got out of the mission 455 00:17:36,625 --> 00:17:38,208 because I don't trust it. 456 00:17:38,292 --> 00:17:39,583 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Have you seen that kind of phenomenon 457 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,375 happen with your drone before? - No. 458 00:17:41,458 --> 00:17:42,833 What about on Skinwalker Ranch? 459 00:17:42,958 --> 00:17:44,625 Never. 460 00:17:44,708 --> 00:17:47,375 NARRATOR: In order to preserve whatever data has been obtained, 461 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:50,750 as well as for the safety of the drone and those around it, 462 00:17:50,875 --> 00:17:52,625 the flight has been cut short. 463 00:17:52,708 --> 00:17:54,500 PETE KELSEY: Because it's been acting weird, 464 00:17:54,542 --> 00:17:57,292 let's be extra diligent on the landing here. 465 00:17:57,375 --> 00:17:58,875 OK. 466 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,417 PETE KELSEY: Because if it goes rogue, that's pretty dangerous. 467 00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:07,375 What would explain that, Pete? 468 00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:09,500 What could have happened there? 469 00:18:09,625 --> 00:18:11,333 Oh, I wish I knew, man. 470 00:18:11,417 --> 00:18:14,458 I mean, that-- sorry, I'm just a little bit rattled 471 00:18:14,542 --> 00:18:15,833 because that's my livelihood. 472 00:18:15,917 --> 00:18:16,958 [soft chuckles] - Yeah. 473 00:18:17,042 --> 00:18:18,333 Yeah. 474 00:18:18,417 --> 00:18:20,167 And it just sort of did what it wanted to 475 00:18:20,167 --> 00:18:22,167 rather than what I was telling it to. 476 00:18:22,208 --> 00:18:24,667 The good news is it's been scanning the whole time. 477 00:18:24,708 --> 00:18:28,250 So the scanner ran even though it was just sitting out there, 478 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:29,583 so we should have data. - OK. 479 00:18:29,667 --> 00:18:31,000 PAUL BEBAN: At least partial data. 480 00:18:31,042 --> 00:18:32,458 - Yeah. - OK. 481 00:18:32,542 --> 00:18:35,000 Data that we can compare against this valley 482 00:18:35,042 --> 00:18:36,667 and against the actual crash site. 483 00:18:36,708 --> 00:18:38,667 Well, I would love to get eyes on the data 484 00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:40,792 that you were able to collect, see if that can't 485 00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:42,208 point us in the next direction. 486 00:18:42,292 --> 00:18:44,000 - I'm going to get busy on that. - OK. 487 00:18:44,083 --> 00:18:45,792 Thanks, Pete. 488 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:48,417 NARRATOR: While Pete processes the data from both LiDAR surveys 489 00:18:48,417 --> 00:18:51,333 of the Kecksburg crash site, Andy and Paul 490 00:18:51,417 --> 00:18:53,500 will now look into another hot spot 491 00:18:53,625 --> 00:18:57,875 25 miles northeast along the Chestnut Ridge, the abandoned 492 00:18:57,958 --> 00:19:01,333 town of Livermore, to investigate an even older 493 00:19:01,417 --> 00:19:04,667 mystery, which might shed light on whether the Kecksburg 494 00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:09,375 crash was caused by some greater anomaly in the region. 495 00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:13,375 They're here to meet Ron Murphy, a historian and investigator 496 00:19:13,458 --> 00:19:15,000 of the Livermore phenomena. 497 00:19:15,125 --> 00:19:16,542 All right, let's go check it out. 498 00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:18,250 Let's check it out. 499 00:19:18,375 --> 00:19:19,667 RON MURPHY: This is Livermore. 500 00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:22,292 It used to be a fairly big town at one time, 501 00:19:22,375 --> 00:19:23,792 if you can believe it. 502 00:19:23,875 --> 00:19:25,458 This is right after the French and Indian War, OK? 503 00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:27,375 So this is kind of the people that were living 504 00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:28,667 out in the middle of nowhere. 505 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:29,875 It's the frontier. 506 00:19:29,958 --> 00:19:31,458 This was definitely the frontier. 507 00:19:31,542 --> 00:19:35,042 There's a lot of things associated with, like, lights 508 00:19:35,125 --> 00:19:38,250 and things that are related to elemental type of beings 509 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:39,958 that are seen around here. 510 00:19:40,042 --> 00:19:43,917 One of the first times I've ever encountered one of these Earth 511 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,333 lights was actually down here. 512 00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:46,542 You have personally? 513 00:19:46,708 --> 00:19:47,958 I have personally, yes. 514 00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:49,333 NARRATOR: "Earth lights" are the local term 515 00:19:49,375 --> 00:19:51,958 for ground level orb sightings, frequently 516 00:19:51,958 --> 00:19:53,375 encountered in the area. 517 00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,917 It was about 10 o'clock at night. 518 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,542 My buddy and I, we were coming to this very bridge. 519 00:19:57,625 --> 00:20:00,250 And we went out to the center of the bridge 520 00:20:00,375 --> 00:20:04,292 until we turned from the bridge and looked back here. 521 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:08,208 And right at the opening, we see a light emanate. 522 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:10,000 It stayed on for maybe a second or two 523 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:11,292 and then it just faded out. 524 00:20:14,167 --> 00:20:16,625 Back in the late 1700s, there was said 525 00:20:16,708 --> 00:20:19,042 to be a witch that lived here, and then 526 00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:20,542 things started going wrong. 527 00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:23,667 Crops were failing, right, or babies are born deceased. 528 00:20:23,792 --> 00:20:25,250 So something was going on. 529 00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:26,750 You have to blame the witch, right? 530 00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:28,333 That's what everybody does. 531 00:20:28,417 --> 00:20:31,333 They grab her, put her onto a pole, and they burn her. 532 00:20:31,417 --> 00:20:34,833 And as the flames lap up around her, she screams out, 533 00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:38,792 I'm going to set a flood 100 years from this day to quench 534 00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:40,000 these flames about me. 535 00:20:40,083 --> 00:20:43,500 And that was May 31, 1789. 536 00:20:43,583 --> 00:20:47,333 May 31, 1889, the Johnstown flood comes through here 537 00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,583 and destroys the town. 538 00:20:49,667 --> 00:20:51,583 I want to point out, there's multiple floods that 539 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:54,500 came through to the point that the Army Corps of Engineers 540 00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:56,667 decided, we are going to put a dam in 541 00:20:56,708 --> 00:20:59,417 and these places that lie on the outlying areas 542 00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:01,000 are just going to be flooded out. 543 00:21:01,042 --> 00:21:02,333 PAUL BEBAN: So the town of Livermore 544 00:21:02,375 --> 00:21:03,708 was destroyed by the flood-- RON MURPHY: Uh huh. 545 00:21:03,833 --> 00:21:05,333 PAUL BEBAN: --and then permanently submerged 546 00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,167 once the flood control project? RON MURPHY: Yes, sir. 547 00:21:07,292 --> 00:21:08,417 Right here. 548 00:21:08,542 --> 00:21:10,083 There's a lot below the surface. 549 00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:11,708 Yeah, it's wild, man. 550 00:21:11,792 --> 00:21:13,833 Now that I'm standing here and hearing the stories, 551 00:21:13,958 --> 00:21:15,792 hearing about the curses, hearing about just 552 00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:18,708 spooky and creepy history of this place, not to mention Ron's 553 00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:21,125 reaction to his own personal experiences here, 554 00:21:21,208 --> 00:21:23,917 I really can't help but wonder if I'm standing on a Skinwalker 555 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,833 Ranch that's buried underwater. 556 00:21:26,917 --> 00:21:28,833 I'm curious about where you had this encounter. 557 00:21:28,958 --> 00:21:30,750 RON MURPHY: Well, right here is where it was. 558 00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:32,542 - Started right here? - Yes, sir. 559 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,542 Yes, sir. 560 00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:35,208 How do you describe the Earth light? 561 00:21:35,292 --> 00:21:36,333 Just emanated, right? 562 00:21:36,417 --> 00:21:38,042 It just turned on. 563 00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,333 And it just kind of expanded and flickered off into nothing. 564 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,792 Often in conjunction with these lights that we see, 565 00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:48,000 preceding the lights appearing is the sound of wind chimes. 566 00:21:48,042 --> 00:21:49,167 It's tonal. 567 00:21:49,292 --> 00:21:50,917 So it's usually about three tone. 568 00:21:51,042 --> 00:21:52,667 I don't play music or anything like that. 569 00:21:52,708 --> 00:21:54,667 One is almost like an establishing tone. 570 00:21:54,708 --> 00:21:57,292 The other one is a bit higher to the ear. 571 00:21:57,375 --> 00:21:59,042 And the other one is just a little bit 572 00:21:59,125 --> 00:22:01,750 lower than the establishing tone, if that makes any sense. 573 00:22:01,833 --> 00:22:03,792 - So it precedes the phenomenon? - It precedes the phenomenon. 574 00:22:03,875 --> 00:22:05,083 Yes, sir. 575 00:22:05,208 --> 00:22:06,125 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And you've heard that? 576 00:22:06,208 --> 00:22:06,917 I have. Oh, no, I've heard it. 577 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,583 Yeah, absolutely. 578 00:22:08,667 --> 00:22:10,125 Heard it, witnessed it, and everything like that, yes. 579 00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:11,000 - On more than one occasion? - On more than one occasion. 580 00:22:11,167 --> 00:22:12,167 Yes, sir. Yeah. 581 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:13,792 And there's nothing out here. 582 00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:15,542 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: What would make any kind of sound out here, 583 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,708 especially a metallic sound like a wind chime? 584 00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:20,250 I wonder if we can try to recreate something for him 585 00:22:20,333 --> 00:22:22,333 and see if we, you know, can hit on it. 586 00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:23,417 I agree. 587 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:24,583 PAUL BEBAN: All right, let's go. 588 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,583 [music playing] 589 00:22:30,667 --> 00:22:31,833 Ron, this is our setup. 590 00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,333 What do you think? - It's impressive. 591 00:22:33,417 --> 00:22:34,458 I don't know what any of this stuff means, 592 00:22:34,542 --> 00:22:36,125 but it's awesome-looking. Yeah. 593 00:22:36,208 --> 00:22:38,750 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are on a bridge above the flooded town 594 00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:42,000 of Livermore with local historian and investigator 595 00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:45,583 Ron Murphy, who has witnessed orb phenomena referred 596 00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:48,042 to as Earth lights, that have been preceded 597 00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:50,500 by a sequence of sounds. 598 00:22:50,583 --> 00:22:53,375 PAUL BEBAN: So Andy and I have worked with tones many times, 599 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,333 usually using them to try to trigger 600 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,042 something in the environment. 601 00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:59,792 My question is, is this going to have some kind of new effect 602 00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,167 on this environment? 603 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:03,250 Was that a trigger that Ron experienced? 604 00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:05,625 Was it sort of a harbinger of that event? 605 00:23:05,708 --> 00:23:08,208 I mean, we just have no idea how this is going to play out. 606 00:23:08,292 --> 00:23:10,667 So our UFODAP'S over here, stacked 607 00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:12,042 up one on top of the other. 608 00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:14,375 It is actually an extra set of eyes in the sky. 609 00:23:14,458 --> 00:23:16,250 And those are the green dots that you see out 610 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:17,750 there flashing on the bridge. - Nice. 611 00:23:17,833 --> 00:23:19,667 We also have a directional antenna. 612 00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,125 Any radio signals, any frequencies 613 00:23:21,208 --> 00:23:23,625 that we see that may be coming anywhere in the area, 614 00:23:23,708 --> 00:23:26,625 we can actually hone in and zoom in on it with that antenna. 615 00:23:26,708 --> 00:23:28,958 Meanwhile, we have our Moonraker antenna here, 616 00:23:29,042 --> 00:23:31,500 which is connected to a spectrum analyzer, which is picking up 617 00:23:31,625 --> 00:23:33,250 radio signals from all around. 618 00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:35,792 This gives us the ability to see if we're catching anything 619 00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:38,542 in the big net, and then, as Andy said, home in on it, 620 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,500 pinpoint maybe what direction it's coming from 621 00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:41,958 and figure out what the source is. 622 00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:43,167 Very impressive. 623 00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:44,208 I'm kind of excited to start seeing 624 00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:45,542 if we can't poke around a bit. 625 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:48,292 Yeah, let's, uh, play some tones, I think. 626 00:23:48,292 --> 00:23:50,000 NARRATOR: Earlier this season, the team 627 00:23:50,125 --> 00:23:52,667 played back an audio tone, replicating the sound 628 00:23:52,792 --> 00:23:55,083 of the infamous Taos Hum-- 629 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:56,458 - Look at this. - Whoa. 630 00:23:56,542 --> 00:23:58,083 NARRATOR: --and seemed to elicit a response 631 00:23:58,167 --> 00:24:01,000 on their spectrum analyzer in the privileged zone. 632 00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,917 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look at how it's changing. 633 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,333 PAUL BEBAN: Wow. 634 00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:06,625 NARRATOR: Now, using their tone generator, 635 00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:10,500 Andy and Paul will mimic the three-tone sound Ron reported 636 00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:12,833 hearing before seeing an orb to see 637 00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:16,625 if they can trigger some sort of response from the environment. 638 00:24:16,708 --> 00:24:19,833 And, Ron, you mentioned that you heard a series of tones, 639 00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:20,792 right? 640 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:21,500 Yeah. 641 00:24:21,542 --> 00:24:23,333 And the tones preceded-- 642 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:26,708 RON MURPHY: Preceded the arrival of the orbs. 643 00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:28,750 I'm going to manually go through the tones. 644 00:24:28,875 --> 00:24:29,833 RON MURPHY: OK. 645 00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:31,167 I want you to stop me when you feel 646 00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:32,833 like we're in the right region. 647 00:24:32,917 --> 00:24:33,917 All right. 648 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,792 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And I'm calling on you 649 00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:36,708 to remember a sound, which is oftentimes difficult, but-- 650 00:24:36,833 --> 00:24:37,917 - OK. - All right, here we go. 651 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,792 OK. 652 00:24:38,875 --> 00:24:42,125 [low tone sound] 653 00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:45,167 Right about there. 654 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:47,375 [tone continues] 655 00:24:47,458 --> 00:24:49,708 Right about there. 656 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:52,667 That's very close to the initial ding that we heard 657 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:54,500 and that what sounded like the wind chimes. 658 00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,667 That right there is about-- and then it went higher, 659 00:24:56,708 --> 00:24:59,250 and then it went lower than that initial 210. 660 00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:02,042 Any way to play them in consecutively? 661 00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:03,750 Let's give it a whirl. 662 00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:05,917 NARRATOR: Meanwhile, they will monitor the spectrum analyzer 663 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,792 for any spikes in the privileged 1.4 to 1.8 664 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:12,708 gigahertz radio frequency zone reserved 665 00:25:12,875 --> 00:25:16,500 for earth-to-space and space-to-earth transmissions. 666 00:25:16,542 --> 00:25:17,750 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: All right. 667 00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:20,000 But this is our baseline right now. 668 00:25:20,042 --> 00:25:21,333 Steady. 669 00:25:21,417 --> 00:25:23,167 Quiet. 670 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:26,750 [low tone sounds] 671 00:25:31,583 --> 00:25:32,417 Pretty close to that? 672 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:33,250 Pretty close to it. 673 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:34,375 Pretty close. 674 00:25:34,458 --> 00:25:35,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Holy smokes! 675 00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:36,625 - Look at that. - Wow. 676 00:25:36,708 --> 00:25:38,208 Oh, look at how strong. 677 00:25:38,292 --> 00:25:41,833 This activity that's happening here, just under 1.6. 678 00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,667 1.57. 679 00:25:44,708 --> 00:25:49,333 NARRATOR: Andy will now listen in on the 1.57 gigahertz signal 680 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:51,500 they've seemingly triggered to see what 681 00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:53,125 communication is occurring. 682 00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:55,167 [tone sounds] 683 00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:57,667 [excited laugh] These sound like wind chimes, man. 684 00:25:57,708 --> 00:25:58,625 PAUL BEBAN: Kind of do. 685 00:25:58,708 --> 00:25:59,708 It sounds very tonal. 686 00:25:59,792 --> 00:26:03,000 [tones continuing] 687 00:26:09,917 --> 00:26:11,542 RON MURPHY: It's just freaking me out. 688 00:26:11,625 --> 00:26:13,833 The bass tone, the higher tone, the lower tone, 689 00:26:13,875 --> 00:26:15,292 that's exactly what I heard. 690 00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:16,792 Exactly what I heard. 691 00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:19,125 PAUL BEBAN: There's so many layers of strangeness. 692 00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:20,833 The first we heard of these three tones 693 00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:24,417 was that Ron heard them preceding this other series 694 00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:26,042 of events, these lights. 695 00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:27,833 So we tried to match those tones on the tone generator. 696 00:26:27,917 --> 00:26:29,083 We think we got pretty close. 697 00:26:29,167 --> 00:26:30,917 Ron said, yeah, that sounds like it. 698 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,125 Now we're getting some strange signals and radio frequency 699 00:26:35,208 --> 00:26:36,667 that shouldn't be there. 700 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:38,458 They sound like the tones, too. 701 00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:40,083 Is one triggering the other? 702 00:26:40,167 --> 00:26:41,583 Is there some kind of relationship 703 00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:43,417 here that we just don't understand? 704 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,167 This is really getting interesting. 705 00:26:46,292 --> 00:26:48,250 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you know what I'd love to do, 706 00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:50,333 Paul, is I'd love to do a sweep of 360 degrees-- 707 00:26:50,417 --> 00:26:51,417 Yup. 708 00:26:51,542 --> 00:26:52,833 --in our 1.6 gigahertz range. 709 00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:54,167 OK. 710 00:26:54,292 --> 00:26:55,917 NARRATOR: After finding strange radio frequencies 711 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,958 in the privileged zone, the team will now use their log 712 00:26:59,042 --> 00:27:01,750 periodic antenna in an attempt to zero 713 00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:04,167 in on the source of the signal they just triggered 714 00:27:04,292 --> 00:27:06,333 using the tone generator. 715 00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:10,667 By rotating the log periodic antenna 360 degrees, 716 00:27:10,708 --> 00:27:13,833 it can isolate and hone in on the exact direction 717 00:27:13,917 --> 00:27:16,208 a radio signal is coming from. 718 00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:18,958 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you can see that there's some activity here 719 00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:20,833 at about 1.6. 720 00:27:20,875 --> 00:27:23,583 If we see a spike, when he starts to move this, 721 00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:24,500 then that's interesting. 722 00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:25,500 All right. 723 00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:26,833 All right, here we go. 724 00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:28,125 I'm going to go clockwise. 725 00:27:33,542 --> 00:27:34,833 Stop, Paul. Stop, Paul. 726 00:27:34,917 --> 00:27:35,542 Stop. 727 00:27:35,625 --> 00:27:37,583 Go back. 728 00:27:37,708 --> 00:27:39,750 And cross through that same zone again. 729 00:27:43,542 --> 00:27:44,625 There it is. PAUL BEBAN: That's it. 730 00:27:44,708 --> 00:27:45,917 RON MURPHY: Oh, wow. Yeah. 731 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,750 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: See it all come to life? 732 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,333 RON MURPHY: I do, I do. 733 00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:49,542 You can see all this activity come to life over here 734 00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:51,208 as Paul crosses through this zone. 735 00:27:51,292 --> 00:27:54,250 So two massive questions come to mind for me right now. 736 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,792 What is causing radio energy in this direction-- 737 00:27:56,917 --> 00:27:57,542 Right. 738 00:27:57,625 --> 00:27:58,958 --question number one? 739 00:27:59,042 --> 00:28:00,750 Question number two, why is it transmitting 740 00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:02,208 energy at 1.6 gigahertz? 741 00:28:02,292 --> 00:28:04,000 RON MURPHY: Right. 742 00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:05,417 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: This is a block of frequency that's reserved. 743 00:28:05,542 --> 00:28:07,250 It's all earth-to-space, space-to-earth communications. 744 00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:08,708 OK. 745 00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,500 This is most definitely the heart of the energy. 746 00:28:11,583 --> 00:28:12,917 What's in this direction, Ron? 747 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,542 - No way. - Yeah. 748 00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:19,667 Kecksburg is this direction. 749 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:20,667 Oh, absolutely. 750 00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:22,500 Yes, yes, yes. 751 00:28:22,542 --> 00:28:24,250 That is wild, man. 752 00:28:24,375 --> 00:28:27,833 This mystery signal is coming from the direction 753 00:28:27,917 --> 00:28:30,833 of the mystery event in 1965. 754 00:28:30,917 --> 00:28:32,833 So we've got a signal coming from Kecksburg 755 00:28:32,875 --> 00:28:36,333 that seems to literally end at this bridge. 756 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:39,167 I mean, I thought Kecksburg was interesting, right? 757 00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:41,833 But now that we've been here as well, I mean, 758 00:28:41,917 --> 00:28:44,042 there is something happening here in Chestnut Ridge. 759 00:28:49,708 --> 00:28:52,125 [music playing] 760 00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,583 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul return to Kecksburg 761 00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:57,167 to learn Pete Kelsey's handheld and drone 762 00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875 LiDAR results from the possible UFO crash site. 763 00:28:59,958 --> 00:29:01,292 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Pete, I'm really 764 00:29:01,417 --> 00:29:02,833 excited to see these results. 765 00:29:02,917 --> 00:29:04,875 I mean, it's taken quite a bit of work and adventure 766 00:29:04,958 --> 00:29:06,500 to get to this point. 767 00:29:06,583 --> 00:29:08,333 Yeah, I mean, we've really been fighting the elements 768 00:29:08,375 --> 00:29:09,958 every step of the way here. 769 00:29:10,042 --> 00:29:12,167 NARRATOR: They're joined by Chestnut Ridge investigator Stan 770 00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:15,000 Gordon and retired Kecksburg fire chief 771 00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:18,375 and UFO eyewitness Ron Struble. 772 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,042 Well, you guys saw what happened with the drone LiDAR. 773 00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:21,958 Absolutely. 774 00:29:22,042 --> 00:29:23,167 Yeah, so I've got dead stick. 775 00:29:23,292 --> 00:29:24,833 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's not responding? 776 00:29:24,917 --> 00:29:25,917 I've got no control. 777 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,167 I can't do anything. 778 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:28,625 Wait, so you can't even call it back? 779 00:29:28,708 --> 00:29:30,167 No, I'm stuck. 780 00:29:30,208 --> 00:29:33,042 This gives you a good look at the extent of the data 781 00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:37,042 that I was able to capture from the air before it stopped. 782 00:29:37,125 --> 00:29:40,167 This is where it stopped, this farthest point away. 783 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:42,833 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Which is also in the same vicinity as where 784 00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:45,792 you reported the actual craft itself crashing 785 00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:47,625 or landing in that valley. 786 00:29:47,708 --> 00:29:49,333 PAUL BEBAN: The failure happened before it 787 00:29:49,375 --> 00:29:51,000 even got over the ravine. 788 00:29:51,042 --> 00:29:54,000 It's still just making its way across that big, open field, 789 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,875 getting to the ravine, and then-- 790 00:29:56,042 --> 00:29:58,083 Something pulled that drone off course. 791 00:29:58,167 --> 00:29:59,667 Something confused that drone before it 792 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:02,167 could even get to the target spot where we were looking. 793 00:30:02,208 --> 00:30:03,375 Maybe, yeah. 794 00:30:03,458 --> 00:30:05,167 Who knows? 795 00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,833 We also did a ground-based LiDAR, 796 00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:10,500 so we should have more data from the ravine itself that 797 00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:12,000 we collected on the ground. 798 00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:15,417 PETE KELSEY: So that looks like this. 799 00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:20,167 Look at this right here. 800 00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,625 I cut my teeth in civil engineering and land surveying. 801 00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:25,458 That's manmade earthwork. 802 00:30:25,542 --> 00:30:31,333 Because it's level against this otherwise very steep slope. 803 00:30:31,417 --> 00:30:34,500 Straight lines, right angles, those kind of things 804 00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:36,250 do not occur in nature, right? 805 00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:39,125 And then when you rotate the view, like I've done here, 806 00:30:39,208 --> 00:30:41,542 and you see it has a level bottom? 807 00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:44,667 PAUL BEBAN: I mean, this is right where we were walking. 808 00:30:44,708 --> 00:30:46,250 Right where you pointed us toward 809 00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:50,667 is this evidence, 60 years later, of that impact. 810 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:52,167 We looked at it with our own eyes. 811 00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:53,958 There's no level ground down there. 812 00:30:54,042 --> 00:30:57,542 So that's a remnant of something that's no longer visible. 813 00:30:57,667 --> 00:30:59,042 It was something I was going to ask. 814 00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:00,917 Was there heavy equipment in here 815 00:31:01,042 --> 00:31:02,208 that would have had to been-- 816 00:31:02,292 --> 00:31:04,667 whatever it was, was it carted out? 817 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:06,167 Yes? 818 00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:08,583 There were two military flatbed tractor trailers 819 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,208 on the scene that night. 820 00:31:10,292 --> 00:31:12,000 What I understand is this, you could 821 00:31:12,083 --> 00:31:15,375 not take that tractor trailer right down to the impact site. 822 00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:17,125 They had to winch it over. 823 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:19,167 A crane would need a level spot. 824 00:31:19,208 --> 00:31:21,458 Yes. 825 00:31:21,542 --> 00:31:23,583 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: When you compare Pete's LiDAR data 826 00:31:23,708 --> 00:31:25,917 about what he is seeing in this ravine, 827 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,083 and you contrast it with what Stan has reported, 828 00:31:28,208 --> 00:31:30,833 his research has shown about what happened here in Kecksburg, 829 00:31:30,917 --> 00:31:33,000 you really start to see corroborating evidence that 830 00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:34,625 speaks to the fact that there really 831 00:31:34,708 --> 00:31:36,833 may have been something that happened at a specific point 832 00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:38,333 in this ravine. 833 00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:40,000 This is really just a few feet away from where 834 00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:41,458 Paul and I took baselines. 835 00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:43,292 This is worth going back and researching, 836 00:31:43,375 --> 00:31:45,792 whether or not there is actually a difference between the rest 837 00:31:45,792 --> 00:31:48,708 of the ravine and this specific point that Pete has identified. 838 00:31:48,792 --> 00:31:50,833 How does this make you guys feel? 839 00:31:50,917 --> 00:31:52,583 It gives us a little bit of hope 840 00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:55,833 that maybe someday we'll know what happened in Kecksburg. 841 00:31:55,917 --> 00:31:57,667 There were so many people involved. 842 00:31:57,792 --> 00:32:01,167 And so many people Ron knew, people I talked to, many of them 843 00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:03,167 went to their grave not knowing the truth. 844 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:04,958 They all stuck by their story. 845 00:32:05,042 --> 00:32:06,500 Many of them took a lot of ridicule. 846 00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:11,333 And, uh, they deserved to know the truth. 847 00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:14,500 NARRATOR: Armed with new data detailing a potential manmade 848 00:32:14,542 --> 00:32:18,083 feature only 20 feet away from where the team originally 849 00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:22,333 investigated the rumored location of the 1965 UFO 850 00:32:22,417 --> 00:32:25,333 landing, Andy, Paul, and Pete decide 851 00:32:25,417 --> 00:32:29,458 to go back to replicate their experiments in the exact spot. 852 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,500 This is it right here. 853 00:32:33,583 --> 00:32:35,250 Up there, yeah. 854 00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:38,833 You see how it feels like a pad and sort of leveled out? 855 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:42,583 And then it sort of ends abruptly right there. 856 00:32:42,667 --> 00:32:45,792 NARRATOR: On their initial visit to the alleged location 857 00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:48,958 of the UFO crash, less than 20 feet away, 858 00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:51,875 there was zero activity on the radio spectrum. 859 00:32:51,958 --> 00:32:54,500 I'll tell you, it's very flat. 860 00:32:54,542 --> 00:32:56,167 Tiny little peaks. 861 00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:57,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow. It's a quiet spectrum for sure. 862 00:32:57,583 --> 00:32:59,208 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 863 00:32:59,292 --> 00:33:01,125 NARRATOR: Now they'll check the radio spectrum, at the newly 864 00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:03,500 discovered area of interest. 865 00:33:03,625 --> 00:33:05,083 I'll pop the RF scanner. 866 00:33:08,958 --> 00:33:11,542 There's a peak at 1.638. 867 00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:12,667 Are they significant peaks? 868 00:33:12,708 --> 00:33:13,708 Oh, yeah, look at that. 869 00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:15,708 Yeah. 870 00:33:15,792 --> 00:33:17,458 1.74. 871 00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:20,000 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the same spectrum that we saw when 872 00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:21,125 we were here the first time. 873 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:22,292 Right. 874 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,042 So, yeah, we've moved, what, 20 feet. 875 00:33:24,125 --> 00:33:25,458 Totally different spectrum. 876 00:33:25,542 --> 00:33:27,000 That's strange. 877 00:33:27,042 --> 00:33:28,500 PAUL BEBAN: The one difference from here to there 878 00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:31,292 is this is what it was indicated on the LiDAR 879 00:33:31,375 --> 00:33:34,625 as something unusual that maybe suggests that this 880 00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:36,125 is the actual impact site. 881 00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:37,833 But that would not explain how it could have such 882 00:33:37,958 --> 00:33:39,333 a different radio signature-- 883 00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:44,125 [laughs] with nothing in between here and there. 884 00:33:44,208 --> 00:33:46,167 Unless it's hyper-localized, unless it exists here 885 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:47,917 and doesn't exist over there, we could 886 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,167 take the spectrum analyzer right over 887 00:33:49,292 --> 00:33:50,708 there and find out right now. - Yeah, that-- 888 00:33:50,833 --> 00:33:52,167 I mean, how could that be-- 889 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:53,792 how could the signal differ across-- 890 00:33:53,792 --> 00:33:54,708 It shouldn't. 891 00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:55,792 --such a short distance? 892 00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:57,417 We can test it. 893 00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:58,750 We can take it right over there and see if that same signal 894 00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:59,542 is present right now. 895 00:33:59,667 --> 00:34:00,583 OK. 896 00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:01,500 Let's just walk it up. 897 00:34:01,542 --> 00:34:04,250 [music playing] 898 00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:20,958 Look. 899 00:34:21,042 --> 00:34:22,625 It actually did completely change. 900 00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:23,417 Wow! 901 00:34:23,542 --> 00:34:24,750 Pete, look at this. 902 00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:28,167 It actually did completely change. 903 00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:29,375 It's totally different. 904 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:30,542 It's dead. 905 00:34:30,625 --> 00:34:31,125 It's a completely-- 906 00:34:31,208 --> 00:34:32,000 Completely flat. 907 00:34:32,083 --> 00:34:33,500 --different signal. 908 00:34:33,583 --> 00:34:35,000 Look at that. 909 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,583 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We've gone, what, 20 feet? 910 00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:38,458 That's unbelievable. 911 00:34:38,542 --> 00:34:42,500 PETE KELSEY: That's, like, not within the realm of possible, 912 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:43,333 right? 913 00:34:43,417 --> 00:34:44,167 No, no. 914 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:45,625 That makes-- I'm-- 915 00:34:45,708 --> 00:34:46,625 [laughs] 916 00:34:46,708 --> 00:34:48,500 I'm stunned. 917 00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:49,583 I want my mommy. 918 00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:52,333 [laughter] 919 00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,000 This doesn't make any sense. 920 00:34:54,083 --> 00:34:56,333 How is there a radio signal in one place 921 00:34:56,375 --> 00:34:58,250 that doesn't exist just a few feet away? 922 00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:59,958 That's not how radio energy works. 923 00:35:00,042 --> 00:35:01,458 That's not how frequencies work. 924 00:35:01,542 --> 00:35:03,333 The only reason that we were brought here 925 00:35:03,375 --> 00:35:05,000 was because of Pete's LiDAR data. 926 00:35:05,042 --> 00:35:07,667 And now that we're here, we're getting even more evidence that 927 00:35:07,708 --> 00:35:09,375 suggests that there really was something 928 00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:11,167 strange that happened on this spot, 929 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:13,250 in this ravine in Kecksburg. 930 00:35:13,375 --> 00:35:16,625 We might have actually found the real crash site. 931 00:35:16,708 --> 00:35:21,875 That might explain why we have so many localized anomalous 932 00:35:21,958 --> 00:35:23,958 readings right here that we don't see 933 00:35:24,042 --> 00:35:25,583 anywhere else in this valley. 934 00:35:25,583 --> 00:35:27,667 Thanks, Pete, for pointing that out in the LiDAR. 935 00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:29,542 We would have never found this otherwise. 936 00:35:29,625 --> 00:35:30,667 Yeah. 937 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:32,333 Yeah, this is a great find. 938 00:35:32,417 --> 00:35:33,625 Amazing. 939 00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:34,500 Yeah, we've got to share this with Travis and Erik. 940 00:35:34,625 --> 00:35:35,583 Absolutely. 941 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,250 [music playing] 942 00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:43,667 ERIK BARD: Well, guys, welcome back to the ranch. 943 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:44,833 I want to hear about your findings at Chestnut Ridge. 944 00:35:44,958 --> 00:35:46,292 I think it exceeded our expectations. 945 00:35:46,375 --> 00:35:47,542 Mhm. 946 00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:49,250 But it left so many more questions than answers. 947 00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:50,917 If you recall, we went out there first 948 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,458 to dig into what happened in Kecksburg in 1965, the reported 949 00:35:55,542 --> 00:35:58,833 landing or crashing of some sort of acorn-shaped object 950 00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:00,000 from the sky. 951 00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:01,542 So we called in Pete Kelsey. 952 00:36:01,667 --> 00:36:04,500 And Pete was able to run aerial LiDAR 953 00:36:04,583 --> 00:36:07,458 and walk a ground-based SLAM scanner along with us 954 00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:10,125 so that we could really saturate the area with data. 955 00:36:10,208 --> 00:36:11,667 And then when we did get Pete's results-- 956 00:36:11,792 --> 00:36:13,000 Yeah. 957 00:36:13,042 --> 00:36:14,583 --they were really quite telling. 958 00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:16,583 So Pete's actually waiting online to give us a walkthrough 959 00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:17,792 of what he discovered. 960 00:36:17,875 --> 00:36:20,333 Pete, you got me, man? 961 00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,000 Hey, Andy. How are you? 962 00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:23,125 Hey, good to see you, sir. 963 00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,167 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Hey, Pete. 964 00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:25,833 Hey, everybody's there. 965 00:36:25,917 --> 00:36:28,042 Do you have the LiDAR results from the SLAM scanner nearby? 966 00:36:28,042 --> 00:36:29,167 PETE KELSEY: Yeah. 967 00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:31,583 So this is the SLAM scanner data. 968 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:36,167 If I rotate past horizontal, this right here, I mean, 969 00:36:36,208 --> 00:36:39,833 right away was like, OK, that's unusual. 970 00:36:39,833 --> 00:36:44,833 I mean, literally a rectangle of graded level ground. 971 00:36:44,917 --> 00:36:46,250 TRAVIS TAYLOR: OK, yeah, I see. 972 00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:48,375 Why is it level? 973 00:36:48,458 --> 00:36:51,125 PETE KELSEY: It just suggests made earthworks. 974 00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:52,333 ERIK BARD: Oh, yeah. 975 00:36:52,458 --> 00:36:54,125 TRAVIS TAYLOR: But, uh, this looks 976 00:36:54,208 --> 00:36:57,083 like there's some sort of excavation 977 00:36:57,167 --> 00:36:58,667 that took place in that spot. 978 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,333 And for there to have been so many 979 00:37:00,417 --> 00:37:02,292 witnesses that led you to that spot, 980 00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:05,375 it really is very, uh, suspect. 981 00:37:05,458 --> 00:37:06,667 Yeah. 982 00:37:06,792 --> 00:37:09,167 Um, one other thing I'd like to show you. 983 00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:14,083 So this has me shaking my head, my friends, again, 984 00:37:14,167 --> 00:37:17,708 because we've got data underground. 985 00:37:17,792 --> 00:37:18,458 See this? 986 00:37:18,542 --> 00:37:19,750 ERIK BARD: There it is. 987 00:37:19,833 --> 00:37:22,042 That's clearly below ground right there. 988 00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:23,542 How far underground is that? 989 00:37:23,625 --> 00:37:25,625 PETE KELSEY: Oh, at 100 feet. 990 00:37:25,708 --> 00:37:26,833 It's impossible. 991 00:37:26,917 --> 00:37:29,000 I mean, here we go again, right? 992 00:37:29,125 --> 00:37:32,292 Lasers can't see through solid ground. 993 00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:33,750 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Now, see, that tells us 994 00:37:33,833 --> 00:37:37,250 that the computer system in the LiDAR 995 00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:40,500 believes that those particular points 996 00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:45,875 took longer to get back to the receiver than it actually did. 997 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,708 Yeah, that data identifies a very unique point in space 998 00:37:50,792 --> 00:37:54,333 and time during the scan that is exceptional to, 999 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,000 you know, versus everything else. 1000 00:37:56,042 --> 00:37:58,000 PETE KELSEY: You know, where have we seen this before? 1001 00:37:58,083 --> 00:38:02,125 We've seen it at the Highway 350 bridge at Miller Ranch. 1002 00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:03,542 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Triangle. 1003 00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:04,833 PETE KELSEY: We've seen it at Skinwalker Ranch. 1004 00:38:04,917 --> 00:38:05,750 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Mhm. 1005 00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:07,250 Yeah, that's right. 1006 00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,583 Maybe we're on to something that nobody's 1007 00:38:09,583 --> 00:38:11,500 ever really figured out before. 1008 00:38:11,542 --> 00:38:13,417 To my knowledge, this is probably 1009 00:38:13,542 --> 00:38:15,708 the first time anybody's ever done a LiDAR measurement there. 1010 00:38:15,833 --> 00:38:19,333 Any place that I get LiDAR returns underground, 1011 00:38:19,417 --> 00:38:20,833 that's interesting. 1012 00:38:20,875 --> 00:38:21,833 Thanks, Pete. 1013 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,167 Thank you, guys. 1014 00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:24,667 It made us ask ourselves the question 1015 00:38:24,792 --> 00:38:27,417 in that specific depression, that site 1016 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,208 that Pete's LiDAR found, what else 1017 00:38:29,208 --> 00:38:30,833 could we measure in that site? 1018 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:34,208 So we went back down there and we took an RF spectrum analyzer. 1019 00:38:34,292 --> 00:38:36,167 We are literally standing in the indented site 1020 00:38:36,208 --> 00:38:38,208 that Pete identified in his data. 1021 00:38:38,292 --> 00:38:40,958 PAUL BEBAN: There was a peak at 1.638. 1022 00:38:41,042 --> 00:38:42,667 - Look at that. - Yeah. 1023 00:38:42,792 --> 00:38:44,500 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the same spectrum that we saw when 1024 00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,000 we were here the first time. PAUL BEBAN: Right. 1025 00:38:46,083 --> 00:38:47,292 Totally different spectrum. 1026 00:38:47,375 --> 00:38:48,875 That's strange. 1027 00:38:48,958 --> 00:38:51,083 And this is the spectrum analyzer, readings that we're 1028 00:38:51,208 --> 00:38:53,583 getting, which are completely different than the baseline 1029 00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:56,000 readings we got in the ravine earlier 1030 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,667 when we first arrived to Kecksburg. 1031 00:38:57,708 --> 00:38:59,375 PAUL BEBAN: Tiny little peaks. ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow. 1032 00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:01,208 It's a quiet spectrum for sure. PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 1033 00:39:01,292 --> 00:39:03,500 Where was the ravine in relation to this point? 1034 00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:05,333 ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're going to show you here. 1035 00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,083 We can test it. 1036 00:39:07,167 --> 00:39:08,292 We can take it right over there and see if that same signal 1037 00:39:08,375 --> 00:39:09,167 is present right now. 1038 00:39:09,208 --> 00:39:10,167 OK. 1039 00:39:10,292 --> 00:39:11,292 Let's just walk it up. 1040 00:39:15,792 --> 00:39:17,333 TRAVIS TAYLOR: [laughs] Pete's like-- 1041 00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:18,667 [laughs] look at him. 1042 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,417 ERIK BARD: Pete's expression says it all. 1043 00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:22,833 TRAVIS TAYLOR: I can see the confusion through his shades. 1044 00:39:22,917 --> 00:39:23,750 ERIK BARD: Yes. 1045 00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:25,458 He's like, what? 1046 00:39:25,542 --> 00:39:26,833 PAUL BEBAN: Because we're walking, what-- you can see-- 1047 00:39:26,875 --> 00:39:27,667 20 feet? 1048 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:28,500 ERIK BARD: Yeah. 1049 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:29,333 OK. 1050 00:39:29,417 --> 00:39:30,667 Look at that. 1051 00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:32,167 It actually did completely change. 1052 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:33,042 Wow! 1053 00:39:33,208 --> 00:39:34,333 Pete, look at this. 1054 00:39:34,417 --> 00:39:37,917 It actually did completely change. 1055 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000 It's totally different. 1056 00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:40,500 It's dead. 1057 00:39:40,583 --> 00:39:43,125 TRAVIS TAYLOR: See, that right there is fantastic data. 1058 00:39:43,208 --> 00:39:45,333 Look at that. 1059 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:47,250 We've gone, what, 20 feet? 1060 00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:48,667 That's unbelievable. 1061 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,833 So I'd like to stop you here and ask a question. 1062 00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:52,375 [laughs] 1063 00:39:52,458 --> 00:39:54,958 What I just watched was contiguous footage? 1064 00:39:55,042 --> 00:39:56,083 PAUL BEBAN: Mhm. Yup. 1065 00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:57,333 There was no cut. 1066 00:39:57,417 --> 00:39:59,208 There was no editorial process there. 1067 00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:00,542 That is correct. 1068 00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:02,167 Physically walked, in my hand, 20 feet. 1069 00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:03,792 That's it. 1070 00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:07,833 TRAVIS TAYLOR: You dropped, uh, 55 dB in 20 feet. 1071 00:40:07,875 --> 00:40:09,583 I mean, you've got the numbers right here. 1072 00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:11,500 55 dB, that's ginormous change. 1073 00:40:11,625 --> 00:40:13,042 PAUL BEBAN: Orders of magnitude. 1074 00:40:13,167 --> 00:40:14,792 Many orders of magnitude change. 1075 00:40:14,875 --> 00:40:17,750 And here's another piece that should be the opposite of this. 1076 00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:19,500 You guys were down in a hole. 1077 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:20,792 PAUL BEBAN: Right. - Right? 1078 00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:21,625 In a ravine. 1079 00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:23,500 And you walked uphill. 1080 00:40:23,583 --> 00:40:25,333 The signal should have got stronger as you walked uphill 1081 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:28,167 because there's less terrain blocking from wherever it could 1082 00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:30,417 be coming from, unless it's coming from down there 1083 00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:32,000 in that hole. 1084 00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:34,333 What is this signal doing there? 1085 00:40:34,417 --> 00:40:35,750 That doesn't add up. 1086 00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,292 That-- that is just too much. 1087 00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:42,667 Here on the ranch when we get it, 1088 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,833 we usually see some kind of phenomena occur. 1089 00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:48,083 We see something we expect, OK, somehow or other, 1090 00:40:48,167 --> 00:40:50,750 the source is with whatever this is, or this is causing it. 1091 00:40:50,833 --> 00:40:52,667 It's a byproduct or something. 1092 00:40:52,708 --> 00:40:54,333 This looks like it's just coming out of the dadgum ground. 1093 00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:55,625 Right. 1094 00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:56,958 Or it's a beam coming from somewhere 1095 00:40:57,042 --> 00:40:58,333 else hitting the ground. 1096 00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:00,917 So this is-- that shouldn't be there. 1097 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,208 Anyway, whatever that is, it shouldn't be there. 1098 00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:05,625 Either we've got something active, 1099 00:41:05,708 --> 00:41:09,667 something energizing that space in the RF today, 1100 00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:13,958 and for who knows how long, or we've got some kind of residual 1101 00:41:14,042 --> 00:41:15,167 from the event. 1102 00:41:15,292 --> 00:41:16,917 TRAVIS TAYLOR: So what you have shown 1103 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,167 is there is something very odd about that particular point 1104 00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:21,583 in Kecksburg. 1105 00:41:21,667 --> 00:41:23,208 ERIK BARD: You're talking about getting 1106 00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,167 concrete evidence of something-- what did you say, 60 years? 1107 00:41:26,208 --> 00:41:27,833 PAUL BEBAN: 60 years ago. 1108 00:41:27,875 --> 00:41:30,500 Did a little beacon fall off of whatever that acorn-shaped 1109 00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:31,667 thing was and it's still-- 1110 00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:32,500 A 60-year battery. 1111 00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:34,000 --with a 60-year-- 1112 00:41:34,125 --> 00:41:35,667 yeah, right? 1113 00:41:35,792 --> 00:41:37,667 I'm thinking right now of all sorts of different things 1114 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:39,708 that we need to go back and do. 1115 00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:42,542 This place, to me, is absolutely fascinating and bizarre. 1116 00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:44,292 I mean, I would love to say that we're 1117 00:41:44,375 --> 00:41:45,625 scratching the surface. 1118 00:41:45,708 --> 00:41:46,458 I feel like we're just tapping on the surface. 1119 00:41:46,542 --> 00:41:48,083 Yeah, yeah. 1120 00:41:48,167 --> 00:41:49,458 The more and more you guys do, the more and more 1121 00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:50,667 we realize we don't know. 1122 00:41:50,708 --> 00:41:52,250 That's exactly what I was feeling. 1123 00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:53,625 Good work, guys. 1124 00:41:53,708 --> 00:41:54,667 I didn't think you were going to come back 1125 00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,000 with this, that's for sure. 1126 00:41:56,083 --> 00:41:56,833 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 1127 00:41:56,875 --> 00:41:58,333 Neither did we. 1128 00:41:58,375 --> 00:42:00,250 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Yeah, can't wait to see what you guys do next. 81713

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