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NARRATOR: Tonight on
"Beyond Skinwalker Ranch."
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STAN GORDON: Back
in 1965, an object
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came in about 4:47 PM over
the Greater Pittsburgh area.
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There was guys out
there in dark suits.
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STAN GORDON: The official
explanation was the next day,
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it was a bright
meteor in the sky.
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RON STRUBLE: They went
to their death bed
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stating that something did
happen here in Kecksburg.
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PETE KELSEY: I've
got dead stick,
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which is really concerning
because I can't abort.
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It's just freaking me out.
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That's manmade earthwork.
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It's impossible.
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I mean, here we go again, right?
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TRAVIS TAYLOR: This looks
like it's just coming
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out of the dadgum ground.
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That shouldn't be there.
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Whatever that is, it
shouldn't be there.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We
might have actually
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found the real crash site.
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I want my mommy.
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NARRATOR: For years,
scientists have
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been working to reveal the
secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
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But is it possible
that the clues
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to unlock the
mystery are located
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beyond the borders of this
hub of high strangeness?
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Wow!
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NARRATOR: Now, an ex-CIA
agent and a veteran journalist
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have been recruited
by the Skinwalker team
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to go on a high-stakes
mission across America.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look at all
this activity that's happening.
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PAUL BEBAN: That's unbelievable.
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MAN: That is right
over our heads.
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That's it.
That's it right there.
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NARRATOR: The goal,
uncover evidence that
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may finally expose the truth.
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MAN: How is this happening?
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MAN: Now it's going
to get interesting.
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MAN: Look, it's moving!
MAN: Look at that!
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MAN: Look at that.
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MAN: Whoa!
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MAN: This is just the beginning.
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ERIK BARD: Andy, Paul, where
are you about to take us?
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So you've all heard
of the Roswell crash.
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Sure.
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Who hasn't?
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But have you heard
of the Kecksburg crash?
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Yes, I have.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
Kecksburg, Pennsylvania--
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Yes.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: --had
a relatively well-known,
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amongst our community, crash in
1965, that has really kind of
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become an unanswered cold case.
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Well, I'll confess.
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Look, I've been hoping that
we might engage this story.
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You have?
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I know a little bit
about it, as does Travis.
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And so this is really exciting.
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So the story is that
there is some kind of craft,
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or space debris, or something
that came down there,
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acorn-shaped.
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But what it is, or what
it was, or what happened
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remains really kind of
shrouded in mystery.
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There were a lot of
witnesses at the time.
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It got a lot of coverage,
and then just sort of faded
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from view under, it seems
like, sort of a cloak
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of secrecy and some cover up.
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We have an opportunity
now to go in Kecksburg
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and see if we can't bring some
of the most modern technology
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that we have
available to us to try
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to answer the unanswered
questions about what happened
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in this location.
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This sounds pretty ambitious.
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We don't know what this thing
is or how it worked or whatever,
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right?
- Right.
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Was it really a UFO?
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Was it a downed experimental
craft that was being worked on?
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Who knows what it
could have been?
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One asset that we feel
like we've got going in here
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is a guy named Stan
Gordon, a guy who
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was local to the area, who
was really captivated by this
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as a young man, and
ever since has really
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been sort of a clearinghouse
of stories related to Kecksburg
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and everything else.
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He sounds like a real
treasure trove of information
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on this particular--
- For sure.
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--area.
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And the story may be
bigger than Kecksburg itself.
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And here's where we think
it gets really interesting.
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Kecksburg itself is
located in an area
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called the Chestnut Ridge.
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And Chestnut Ridge is a
100-mile long subrange
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of the Appalachians,
where it turns
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out there are reports of all
kinds of high strangeness.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're also
going to see another site
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that's called Livermore.
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And Livermore is
45-minute drive, maybe
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50 miles away from Kecksburg.
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PAUL BEBAN: And the
backstory of Livermore,
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it's a historical-- it's sort of
a pre-colonial settlement that
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was flooded and
effectively destroyed.
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The story goes that
there are reports
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of UFOs, of strange
lights, of strange noises,
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of cryptids that seem
to haunt the area.
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The parallels between
Skinwalker Ranch and the larger
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Chestnut Ridge centered
around Kecksburg
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are just too many to ignore.
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I think we have some
ambitious plans for this.
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Yeah.
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Well, I feel like
this is a topic where--
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and an area where certainly an
ambitious effort is warranted.
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Yeah.
Can't wait to see what you find.
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Absolutely.
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Right on.
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PAUL BEBAN: We're
excited to get out there.
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TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good luck, guys.
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NARRATOR: To kick off their
investigation at Chestnut Ridge,
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Andy and Paul meet with Stan
Gordon near the supposed crash
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site in Kecksburg to learn
more about the alleged UFO
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incident that occurred in 1965.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
Thanks for having us.
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Well, here we are in the
shadow of the UFO itself.
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STAN GORDON: Yeah,
that's a replica
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of what witnesses said they
saw that night back in 1965.
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PAUL BEBAN: I mean,
this is the origin story
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of this whole region, right?
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I mean, this is
where it all began.
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STAN GORDON: This was the case
that people remember and talk
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about throughout this
area in Pennsylvania
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and even around the country.
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Can you tell me what happened?
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An object came in
about 4:47 PM over
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the greater Pittsburgh area.
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The police departments,
the radio and TV stations,
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newspaper offices were
jammed with phone calls
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from people seeing this
brilliant, fiery object.
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The witnesses who saw
this thing that afternoon
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in this general area said
it was moving very slowly,
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almost like it was controlled.
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And the people saw it go
down said it did not come
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down at a high rate of speed.
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It came down almost like it was
making a controlled landing.
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And who issued
this official report?
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Was it local police?
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Was it state police?
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Who was the last word on this?
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And it wasn't until
1987 when I was holding
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a very large public
display at the local mall,
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and a man happened to
walk by with his family.
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And they said, I
was on the search
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team that found the object.
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And what they found
was not an aircraft.
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And he said it was a large
metallic acorn-shaped object
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semi-buried in the ground.
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NARRATOR: Although Stan
and others have applied
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for government records
surrounding what actually landed
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and was removed from
Kecksburg, nothing substantial
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has ever been released.
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I think we just start
with the impact site.
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Can you take us
to that location?
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I can take you down
to the wooded area
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where the object fell.
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And, uh, there's
two other fellows
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that I know from the local area
who were witnesses that night
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to different aspects of it.
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And they can meet us
down there in the woods.
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That sounds fantastic.
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NARRATOR: With Stan
in tow, Andy and Paul
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now make the short drive
to the outskirts of town
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to the area suspected
to be the UFO crash
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site, although the exact
location of the landing
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remains a mystery.
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Hey, good morning, gentlemen.
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Good morning.
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NARRATOR: They're met by
eyewitnesses Bill Weaver and Ron
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Struble to learn what the
two men saw on the evening
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of December 9, 1965.
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Now, if I'm understanding
correctly, then your research
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and the witnesses that you've
spoken to place the objects
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basically in this wash.
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Is that correct?
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Correct.
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And then the experience
that you gentlemen had
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confirms that this is
the right patch of woods,
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but neither of you know
firsthand where it landed?
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I was not down here, no.
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I came after it landed.
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It was a nice night.
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I had the top down.
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I was out for a ride.
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I seen there were some people
standing alongside the road
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there, and I stopped.
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They pointed back this way.
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The police and the military,
they were all over the place.
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And there was guys out
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They were the ones that
seemed to be in charge.
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There was a large truck.
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And out of that truck
came a large box.
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And they carried it down
in the direction of where
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this thing had come down.
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So you were up on the
road watching all this?
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Yes.
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You were not able
to get down here?
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I was not down here, no.
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While we were standing there
watching what was going on,
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the state police and the
military come up to us
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and they told us,
if you don't move,
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we're going to
confiscate your car.
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And I figured I'd better move.
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[laughter]
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So I did.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Ron, what do
you recall from that night?
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Well, we looked out our
bedroom window in Greensburg,
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and we'd seen the orange
streak in the sky.
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Within 20 minutes,
we were out here.
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And the firemen was already up
here with the, uh, road control
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to make sure that
nobody got down in here.
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And I could see the
military down in this hole.
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I mean, that's a
very fast response.
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Right?
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I mean, is there a
military base nearby?
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I'm suspicious that
this is National Guard.
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They'd be the first
ones called in.
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And then when I hear you
talk about men in suits,
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the first thing that
comes to my mind
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is some sort of
administrative official, FBI.
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That would have come
from further, though.
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That would have come
from possibly Pittsburgh.
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How did such a team
converge on this location
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in such a short period of time?
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Certain
elements of this story just
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aren't adding up.
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If it really was some sort
of catastrophic disaster
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like an airplane crash
or a meteor strike,
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it would take a long
time for those people
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to get to the location.
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I mean, instead,
what this sounds
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like is there was some sort
of early warning system.
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Somebody was watching
this long before it ever
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entered the atmosphere,
and they were
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able to project approximately
where it would land.
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That would give them
enough of a head start
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to get military and
government in motion
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to intercept the location
and keep the public out.
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In the beginning,
I was kind of a--
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I wasn't a believer.
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But then later in life, I
joined the fire service.
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And, uh, during that
period up until now,
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I got to know the
guys really well.
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And, uh, they told me that
they were here and some of them
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drove the trucks, and they
were here during the incident.
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They went to their death
bed stating that something
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did happen here in Kecksburg.
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[music playing]
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Yeah, I feel
like we have an opportunity
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to do a survey of the area--
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Yeah.
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--with some of our equipment
and see if we can't hone
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in data-wise on something that
might be anomalous in the area.
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NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are
in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania,
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with investigators Stan Gordon
and two surviving eyewitnesses
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at the site of a possible
UFO crash in 1965,
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that official reports
said was a meteor strike.
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They're now going
to look for any
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evidence that could shed light
on this 60-year-old mystery.
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We're just going to see if
there's any sort of energy
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signature or anything
else we can find out
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that might point more
specifically to where this thing
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might have come down.
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NARRATOR: Andy and Paul
will be using their spectrum
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analyzer and radiation meter to
survey the alleged landing site.
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They're looking for any
abnormalities on the radio
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spectrum, specifically in
the privileged 1.4 to 1.8
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gigahertz frequencies,
reserved for Earth-to-space and
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space-to-Earth transmissions.
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All right, are you seeing
anything on the broad spectrum?
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I'll tell you, it's very flat.
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Tiny little peaks.
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow.
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That's a quiet
spectrum for sure.
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PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
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NARRATOR: They're also
testing for radiation levels
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above 20 microgram,
which is double
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the average level in the US.
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That could indicate some
residual effects of the crash.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So far,
radiation is also showing
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very normal readings here.
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PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, you can hear,
Andy, nothing on the Geiger.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: It's
all very consistent
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down here as well, man.
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PAUL BEBAN: Yep.
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Anything above background?
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No.
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PAUL BEBAN: You know, I wonder,
it feels like we need to do
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some kind of broader survey.
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There might be some evidence
here that's in the landscape.
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We might be able to identify the
exact location where this acorn
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landed, or potentially
identify a location that
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explains why it landed here.
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Either it was here before
and that's why it arrived,
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or something that was left
behind after the impact.
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Yeah, it'd be nice for us to
know what exactly did happen.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We'll see
if we can't move the dial
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and get some answers
to those questions.
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Pete, I'm happy to
have you here, man.
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We have got a mystery
for you, for sure.
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NARRATOR: Andy and Paul have
called in Skinwalker veteran
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Pete Kelsey with his
expertise and technology
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to conduct a thorough
scan of the environment
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surrounding the
possible UFO landing
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in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.
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All I know is some kind
of an impact site, right?
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PAUL BEBAN: Right.
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From what we understand
through third-hand information,
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the impact site might
actually be in this
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wash area right behind us.
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PAUL BEBAN: It sounds like this
thing came down in this area,
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right in here.
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We're not exactly sure where.
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That's what we're hoping
you can help us figure out.
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Well, as you guys know,
typically, the tools
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that I bring have to do
with physical evidence
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right on the ground.
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I brought all the
usual suspects,
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LiDAR and the SLAM scanner.
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If one of you guys
want to scan, I
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can be watching the data coming
in on the tablet in real time.
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I'm happy to
stomp around, sure.
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NARRATOR: Handheld LiDAR,
also known as a SLAM scanner,
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uses laser light
to map out an area.
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It measures the time it takes
for the laser to bounce back
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after hitting an
object and uses that
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collected data to
create a detailed
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3D model of the environment.
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I just want to make sure we
see data and then you're off.
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I'm good to go.
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Here we go.
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NARRATOR: LiDAR technology
also has the ability
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to strip away
layers of vegetation
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to visualize the
topography of a site,
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which can reveal
areas not easily
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detected by the naked eye.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We know
we're looking for something
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that happened in the past.
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We have these dense woods.
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And we need a piece of tech
that allows us to scrape
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away the layers of
the currents in order
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to get backwards in time.
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And the SLAM scanner is
exactly the kind of tool
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to make that happen.
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PETE KELSEY: So that's top down.
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PAUL BEBAN: We've got
a storm coming in.
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We do not have a lot of time.
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What do you think?
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Come back around?
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PETE KELSEY: Yeah,
I would do a loop.
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Right where you are,
I would do a loop.
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NARRATOR: With high winds
and an approaching storm,
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the team moves quickly
to finish scanning
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the alleged landing site.
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Guys, are we good?
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Good.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Well done, sir.
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[laughs]
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NARRATOR: Their
next plan of attack
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is to survey the area
with drone LiDAR.
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However, with snow starting
to fall and high winds,
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Pete is unable to
safely fly the drone,
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so they'll regroup the next day
to continue their investigation.
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[music playing]
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The next morning, there is
snowfall and persisting winds.
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But the team is
determined to conduct
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their drone LiDAR survey of
the greater landing site area.
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PETE KELSEY: As if this
flight didn't make me
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nervous enough, just
because of the weather.
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Got it.
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This wind, I mean, there's
a gust that's probably 25.
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But we got to try.
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We're here.
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Maybe a little
reckless, but curious.
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All right.
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We need the data, so
if you can get it up,
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Pete, that'd be
greatly appreciated.
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Let's go.
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NARRATOR: Pete Kelsey will
use drone LiDAR technology
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to map the alleged UFO crash
site with thousands of lasers
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to create a topographical
image of the area
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and potentially uncover hidden
information about exactly
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where the UFO may have landed.
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Take off.
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NARRATOR: The drone's flight
path is pre-programmed in a grid
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pattern to cover the surrounding
area near the purported crash.
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It's really deceptive.
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If it's blowing
30 down here, it's
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probably blowing 45 up there.
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All hot, straight
and normal so far.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
Clear, blue sky.
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We've had three good
passes already, Paul.
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PAUL BEBAN: Yeah,
so far, so good.
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Are you kidding me?
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OK.
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Um.
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What's going on, Pete?
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Is it pausing?
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Son of a [bleep].
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Yeah, so I've got dead stick.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
It's not responding?
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PETE KELSEY: Yeah, dead stick.
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I've got no control of it.
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But fortunately, it's hovering.
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NARRATOR: The drone
has stopped right
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as it was about to survey the
ravine, which is the supposed
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location of the UFO landing.
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I can't do anything.
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Wait, so you can't
even call it back?
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No, I'm stuck, at the moment.
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[bleep]
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[bleep]
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[music playing]
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PETE KELSEY: Son of a [bleep].
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
It's not responding?
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Yeah, dead stick.
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I've got no control.
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NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are with
Skinwalker veteran Pete Kelsey,
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who's using his drone LiDAR to
help them potentially uncover
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hidden information about
exactly where the Kecksburg
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UFO may have landed in 1965.
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PETE KELSEY: I
can't do anything.
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Wait, so you can't
even call it back?
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No, I'm stuck.
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[bleep]
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NARRATOR: However, Pete lost
all control of his drone right
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when it flew over the
suspected crash area.
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Stranger still,
all the diagnostics,
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avionics, batteries, everything
is OK, but it's unresponsive.
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Unresponsive to you?
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Yeah, which is
really concerning
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because I can't abort.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And
it's also ignoring
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its pre-programmed route.
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PETE KELSEY: Yeah, that's right.
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It just froze.
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Uh, uh, uh, uh.
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OK.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
What's it doing?
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It's responding.
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Forgive me, guys.
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I'm going to--
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I've got to abort.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Are you flying
it home manually right now?
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PETE KELSEY: Yeah, I've
got out of the mission
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because I don't trust it.
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ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Have you
seen that kind of phenomenon
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happen with your drone before?
- No.
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What about on
Skinwalker Ranch?
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Never.
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NARRATOR: In order to preserve
whatever data has been obtained,
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as well as for the safety of
the drone and those around it,
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the flight has been cut short.
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PETE KELSEY: Because
it's been acting weird,
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let's be extra diligent
on the landing here.
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OK.
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PETE KELSEY: Because if it goes
rogue, that's pretty dangerous.
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What would explain that, Pete?
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What could have happened there?
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Oh, I wish I knew, man.
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I mean, that-- sorry, I'm
just a little bit rattled
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because that's my livelihood.
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[soft chuckles]
- Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it just sort of
did what it wanted to
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rather than what I
was telling it to.
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The good news is it's been
scanning the whole time.
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So the scanner ran even though
it was just sitting out there,
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so we should have data.
- OK.
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PAUL BEBAN: At
least partial data.
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- Yeah.
- OK.
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Data that we can compare
against this valley
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and against the
actual crash site.
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Well, I would love to
get eyes on the data
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that you were able to
collect, see if that can't
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point us in the next direction.
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- I'm going to get busy on that.
- OK.
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Thanks, Pete.
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NARRATOR: While Pete processes
the data from both LiDAR surveys
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of the Kecksburg crash
site, Andy and Paul
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will now look into
another hot spot
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25 miles northeast along the
Chestnut Ridge, the abandoned
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town of Livermore, to
investigate an even older
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mystery, which might shed
light on whether the Kecksburg
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crash was caused by some
greater anomaly in the region.
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They're here to meet Ron Murphy,
a historian and investigator
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of the Livermore phenomena.
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All right, let's
go check it out.
498
00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:18,250
Let's check it out.
499
00:19:18,375 --> 00:19:19,667
RON MURPHY: This is Livermore.
500
00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:22,292
It used to be a fairly
big town at one time,
501
00:19:22,375 --> 00:19:23,792
if you can believe it.
502
00:19:23,875 --> 00:19:25,458
This is right after the
French and Indian War, OK?
503
00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:27,375
So this is kind of the
people that were living
504
00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:28,667
out in the middle of nowhere.
505
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:29,875
It's the frontier.
506
00:19:29,958 --> 00:19:31,458
This was definitely
the frontier.
507
00:19:31,542 --> 00:19:35,042
There's a lot of things
associated with, like, lights
508
00:19:35,125 --> 00:19:38,250
and things that are related
to elemental type of beings
509
00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:39,958
that are seen around here.
510
00:19:40,042 --> 00:19:43,917
One of the first times I've ever
encountered one of these Earth
511
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,333
lights was actually down here.
512
00:19:45,417 --> 00:19:46,542
You have personally?
513
00:19:46,708 --> 00:19:47,958
I have personally, yes.
514
00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:49,333
NARRATOR: "Earth lights"
are the local term
515
00:19:49,375 --> 00:19:51,958
for ground level orb
sightings, frequently
516
00:19:51,958 --> 00:19:53,375
encountered in the area.
517
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,917
It was about 10
o'clock at night.
518
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,542
My buddy and I, we were
coming to this very bridge.
519
00:19:57,625 --> 00:20:00,250
And we went out to the
center of the bridge
520
00:20:00,375 --> 00:20:04,292
until we turned from the
bridge and looked back here.
521
00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:08,208
And right at the opening,
we see a light emanate.
522
00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:10,000
It stayed on for
maybe a second or two
523
00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:11,292
and then it just faded out.
524
00:20:14,167 --> 00:20:16,625
Back in the late
1700s, there was said
525
00:20:16,708 --> 00:20:19,042
to be a witch that
lived here, and then
526
00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:20,542
things started going wrong.
527
00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:23,667
Crops were failing, right,
or babies are born deceased.
528
00:20:23,792 --> 00:20:25,250
So something was going on.
529
00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:26,750
You have to blame
the witch, right?
530
00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:28,333
That's what everybody does.
531
00:20:28,417 --> 00:20:31,333
They grab her, put her onto
a pole, and they burn her.
532
00:20:31,417 --> 00:20:34,833
And as the flames lap up
around her, she screams out,
533
00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:38,792
I'm going to set a flood 100
years from this day to quench
534
00:20:38,875 --> 00:20:40,000
these flames about me.
535
00:20:40,083 --> 00:20:43,500
And that was May 31, 1789.
536
00:20:43,583 --> 00:20:47,333
May 31, 1889, the Johnstown
flood comes through here
537
00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,583
and destroys the town.
538
00:20:49,667 --> 00:20:51,583
I want to point out,
there's multiple floods that
539
00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:54,500
came through to the point that
the Army Corps of Engineers
540
00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:56,667
decided, we are
going to put a dam in
541
00:20:56,708 --> 00:20:59,417
and these places that
lie on the outlying areas
542
00:20:59,542 --> 00:21:01,000
are just going to
be flooded out.
543
00:21:01,042 --> 00:21:02,333
PAUL BEBAN: So the
town of Livermore
544
00:21:02,375 --> 00:21:03,708
was destroyed by the flood--
RON MURPHY: Uh huh.
545
00:21:03,833 --> 00:21:05,333
PAUL BEBAN: --and then
permanently submerged
546
00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,167
once the flood control project?
RON MURPHY: Yes, sir.
547
00:21:07,292 --> 00:21:08,417
Right here.
548
00:21:08,542 --> 00:21:10,083
There's a lot
below the surface.
549
00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:11,708
Yeah, it's wild, man.
550
00:21:11,792 --> 00:21:13,833
Now that I'm standing here
and hearing the stories,
551
00:21:13,958 --> 00:21:15,792
hearing about the curses,
hearing about just
552
00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:18,708
spooky and creepy history of
this place, not to mention Ron's
553
00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:21,125
reaction to his own
personal experiences here,
554
00:21:21,208 --> 00:21:23,917
I really can't help but wonder
if I'm standing on a Skinwalker
555
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,833
Ranch that's buried underwater.
556
00:21:26,917 --> 00:21:28,833
I'm curious about where
you had this encounter.
557
00:21:28,958 --> 00:21:30,750
RON MURPHY: Well, right
here is where it was.
558
00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:32,542
- Started right here?
- Yes, sir.
559
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,542
Yes, sir.
560
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:35,208
How do you describe
the Earth light?
561
00:21:35,292 --> 00:21:36,333
Just emanated, right?
562
00:21:36,417 --> 00:21:38,042
It just turned on.
563
00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,333
And it just kind of expanded
and flickered off into nothing.
564
00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,792
Often in conjunction with
these lights that we see,
565
00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:48,000
preceding the lights appearing
is the sound of wind chimes.
566
00:21:48,042 --> 00:21:49,167
It's tonal.
567
00:21:49,292 --> 00:21:50,917
So it's usually
about three tone.
568
00:21:51,042 --> 00:21:52,667
I don't play music or
anything like that.
569
00:21:52,708 --> 00:21:54,667
One is almost like
an establishing tone.
570
00:21:54,708 --> 00:21:57,292
The other one is a
bit higher to the ear.
571
00:21:57,375 --> 00:21:59,042
And the other one
is just a little bit
572
00:21:59,125 --> 00:22:01,750
lower than the establishing
tone, if that makes any sense.
573
00:22:01,833 --> 00:22:03,792
- So it precedes the phenomenon?
- It precedes the phenomenon.
574
00:22:03,875 --> 00:22:05,083
Yes, sir.
575
00:22:05,208 --> 00:22:06,125
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And
you've heard that?
576
00:22:06,208 --> 00:22:06,917
I have.
Oh, no, I've heard it.
577
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,583
Yeah, absolutely.
578
00:22:08,667 --> 00:22:10,125
Heard it, witnessed it, and
everything like that, yes.
579
00:22:10,208 --> 00:22:11,000
- On more than one occasion?
- On more than one occasion.
580
00:22:11,167 --> 00:22:12,167
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
581
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:13,792
And there's nothing out here.
582
00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:15,542
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: What would
make any kind of sound out here,
583
00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,708
especially a metallic
sound like a wind chime?
584
00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:20,250
I wonder if we can try to
recreate something for him
585
00:22:20,333 --> 00:22:22,333
and see if we, you
know, can hit on it.
586
00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:23,417
I agree.
587
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:24,583
PAUL BEBAN: All right, let's go.
588
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,583
[music playing]
589
00:22:30,667 --> 00:22:31,833
Ron, this is our setup.
590
00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:33,333
What do you think?
- It's impressive.
591
00:22:33,417 --> 00:22:34,458
I don't know what any
of this stuff means,
592
00:22:34,542 --> 00:22:36,125
but it's awesome-looking.
Yeah.
593
00:22:36,208 --> 00:22:38,750
NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are on
a bridge above the flooded town
594
00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:42,000
of Livermore with local
historian and investigator
595
00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:45,583
Ron Murphy, who has witnessed
orb phenomena referred
596
00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:48,042
to as Earth lights,
that have been preceded
597
00:22:48,167 --> 00:22:50,500
by a sequence of sounds.
598
00:22:50,583 --> 00:22:53,375
PAUL BEBAN: So Andy and I have
worked with tones many times,
599
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,333
usually using them
to try to trigger
600
00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,042
something in the environment.
601
00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:59,792
My question is, is this going
to have some kind of new effect
602
00:22:59,875 --> 00:23:01,167
on this environment?
603
00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:03,250
Was that a trigger
that Ron experienced?
604
00:23:03,333 --> 00:23:05,625
Was it sort of a
harbinger of that event?
605
00:23:05,708 --> 00:23:08,208
I mean, we just have no idea
how this is going to play out.
606
00:23:08,292 --> 00:23:10,667
So our UFODAP'S
over here, stacked
607
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:12,042
up one on top of the other.
608
00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:14,375
It is actually an extra
set of eyes in the sky.
609
00:23:14,458 --> 00:23:16,250
And those are the green
dots that you see out
610
00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:17,750
there flashing on the bridge.
- Nice.
611
00:23:17,833 --> 00:23:19,667
We also have a
directional antenna.
612
00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,125
Any radio signals,
any frequencies
613
00:23:21,208 --> 00:23:23,625
that we see that may be
coming anywhere in the area,
614
00:23:23,708 --> 00:23:26,625
we can actually hone in and
zoom in on it with that antenna.
615
00:23:26,708 --> 00:23:28,958
Meanwhile, we have our
Moonraker antenna here,
616
00:23:29,042 --> 00:23:31,500
which is connected to a spectrum
analyzer, which is picking up
617
00:23:31,625 --> 00:23:33,250
radio signals from all around.
618
00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:35,792
This gives us the ability to
see if we're catching anything
619
00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:38,542
in the big net, and then,
as Andy said, home in on it,
620
00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,500
pinpoint maybe what
direction it's coming from
621
00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:41,958
and figure out
what the source is.
622
00:23:42,042 --> 00:23:43,167
Very impressive.
623
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:44,208
I'm kind of excited
to start seeing
624
00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:45,542
if we can't poke around a bit.
625
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:48,292
Yeah, let's, uh, play
some tones, I think.
626
00:23:48,292 --> 00:23:50,000
NARRATOR: Earlier
this season, the team
627
00:23:50,125 --> 00:23:52,667
played back an audio tone,
replicating the sound
628
00:23:52,792 --> 00:23:55,083
of the infamous Taos Hum--
629
00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:56,458
- Look at this.
- Whoa.
630
00:23:56,542 --> 00:23:58,083
NARRATOR: --and seemed
to elicit a response
631
00:23:58,167 --> 00:24:01,000
on their spectrum analyzer
in the privileged zone.
632
00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,917
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Look
at how it's changing.
633
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,333
PAUL BEBAN: Wow.
634
00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:06,625
NARRATOR: Now, using
their tone generator,
635
00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:10,500
Andy and Paul will mimic the
three-tone sound Ron reported
636
00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:12,833
hearing before
seeing an orb to see
637
00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:16,625
if they can trigger some sort of
response from the environment.
638
00:24:16,708 --> 00:24:19,833
And, Ron, you mentioned that
you heard a series of tones,
639
00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:20,792
right?
640
00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:21,500
Yeah.
641
00:24:21,542 --> 00:24:23,333
And the tones preceded--
642
00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:26,708
RON MURPHY: Preceded
the arrival of the orbs.
643
00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:28,750
I'm going to manually
go through the tones.
644
00:24:28,875 --> 00:24:29,833
RON MURPHY: OK.
645
00:24:29,875 --> 00:24:31,167
I want you to stop
me when you feel
646
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:32,833
like we're in the right region.
647
00:24:32,917 --> 00:24:33,917
All right.
648
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,792
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: And
I'm calling on you
649
00:24:35,875 --> 00:24:36,708
to remember a sound, which is
oftentimes difficult, but--
650
00:24:36,833 --> 00:24:37,917
- OK.
- All right, here we go.
651
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,792
OK.
652
00:24:38,875 --> 00:24:42,125
[low tone sound]
653
00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:45,167
Right about there.
654
00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:47,375
[tone continues]
655
00:24:47,458 --> 00:24:49,708
Right about there.
656
00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:52,667
That's very close to the
initial ding that we heard
657
00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:54,500
and that what sounded
like the wind chimes.
658
00:24:54,583 --> 00:24:56,667
That right there is about--
and then it went higher,
659
00:24:56,708 --> 00:24:59,250
and then it went lower
than that initial 210.
660
00:24:59,333 --> 00:25:02,042
Any way to play them
in consecutively?
661
00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:03,750
Let's give it a whirl.
662
00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:05,917
NARRATOR: Meanwhile, they will
monitor the spectrum analyzer
663
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,792
for any spikes in the
privileged 1.4 to 1.8
664
00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:12,708
gigahertz radio
frequency zone reserved
665
00:25:12,875 --> 00:25:16,500
for earth-to-space and
space-to-earth transmissions.
666
00:25:16,542 --> 00:25:17,750
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: All right.
667
00:25:17,833 --> 00:25:20,000
But this is our
baseline right now.
668
00:25:20,042 --> 00:25:21,333
Steady.
669
00:25:21,417 --> 00:25:23,167
Quiet.
670
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:26,750
[low tone sounds]
671
00:25:31,583 --> 00:25:32,417
Pretty close to that?
672
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:33,250
Pretty close to it.
673
00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:34,375
Pretty close.
674
00:25:34,458 --> 00:25:35,500
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Holy smokes!
675
00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:36,625
- Look at that.
- Wow.
676
00:25:36,708 --> 00:25:38,208
Oh, look at how strong.
677
00:25:38,292 --> 00:25:41,833
This activity that's happening
here, just under 1.6.
678
00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:44,667
1.57.
679
00:25:44,708 --> 00:25:49,333
NARRATOR: Andy will now listen
in on the 1.57 gigahertz signal
680
00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:51,500
they've seemingly
triggered to see what
681
00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:53,125
communication is occurring.
682
00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:55,167
[tone sounds]
683
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:57,667
[excited laugh] These
sound like wind chimes, man.
684
00:25:57,708 --> 00:25:58,625
PAUL BEBAN: Kind of do.
685
00:25:58,708 --> 00:25:59,708
It sounds very tonal.
686
00:25:59,792 --> 00:26:03,000
[tones continuing]
687
00:26:09,917 --> 00:26:11,542
RON MURPHY: It's
just freaking me out.
688
00:26:11,625 --> 00:26:13,833
The bass tone, the higher
tone, the lower tone,
689
00:26:13,875 --> 00:26:15,292
that's exactly what I heard.
690
00:26:15,375 --> 00:26:16,792
Exactly what I heard.
691
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:19,125
PAUL BEBAN: There's so
many layers of strangeness.
692
00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:20,833
The first we heard
of these three tones
693
00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:24,417
was that Ron heard them
preceding this other series
694
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:26,042
of events, these lights.
695
00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:27,833
So we tried to match those
tones on the tone generator.
696
00:26:27,917 --> 00:26:29,083
We think we got pretty close.
697
00:26:29,167 --> 00:26:30,917
Ron said, yeah,
that sounds like it.
698
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,125
Now we're getting some strange
signals and radio frequency
699
00:26:35,208 --> 00:26:36,667
that shouldn't be there.
700
00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:38,458
They sound like the tones, too.
701
00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:40,083
Is one triggering the other?
702
00:26:40,167 --> 00:26:41,583
Is there some kind
of relationship
703
00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:43,417
here that we just
don't understand?
704
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,167
This is really
getting interesting.
705
00:26:46,292 --> 00:26:48,250
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you
know what I'd love to do,
706
00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:50,333
Paul, is I'd love to do
a sweep of 360 degrees--
707
00:26:50,417 --> 00:26:51,417
Yup.
708
00:26:51,542 --> 00:26:52,833
--in our 1.6 gigahertz range.
709
00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:54,167
OK.
710
00:26:54,292 --> 00:26:55,917
NARRATOR: After finding
strange radio frequencies
711
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,958
in the privileged zone, the
team will now use their log
712
00:26:59,042 --> 00:27:01,750
periodic antenna in
an attempt to zero
713
00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:04,167
in on the source of the
signal they just triggered
714
00:27:04,292 --> 00:27:06,333
using the tone generator.
715
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:10,667
By rotating the log periodic
antenna 360 degrees,
716
00:27:10,708 --> 00:27:13,833
it can isolate and hone
in on the exact direction
717
00:27:13,917 --> 00:27:16,208
a radio signal is coming from.
718
00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:18,958
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: So you can see
that there's some activity here
719
00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:20,833
at about 1.6.
720
00:27:20,875 --> 00:27:23,583
If we see a spike, when
he starts to move this,
721
00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:24,500
then that's interesting.
722
00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:25,500
All right.
723
00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:26,833
All right, here we go.
724
00:27:26,875 --> 00:27:28,125
I'm going to go clockwise.
725
00:27:33,542 --> 00:27:34,833
Stop, Paul.
Stop, Paul.
726
00:27:34,917 --> 00:27:35,542
Stop.
727
00:27:35,625 --> 00:27:37,583
Go back.
728
00:27:37,708 --> 00:27:39,750
And cross through
that same zone again.
729
00:27:43,542 --> 00:27:44,625
There it is.
PAUL BEBAN: That's it.
730
00:27:44,708 --> 00:27:45,917
RON MURPHY: Oh, wow.
Yeah.
731
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,750
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: See
it all come to life?
732
00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:48,333
RON MURPHY: I do, I do.
733
00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:49,542
You can see all this
activity come to life over here
734
00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:51,208
as Paul crosses
through this zone.
735
00:27:51,292 --> 00:27:54,250
So two massive questions come
to mind for me right now.
736
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,792
What is causing radio
energy in this direction--
737
00:27:56,917 --> 00:27:57,542
Right.
738
00:27:57,625 --> 00:27:58,958
--question number one?
739
00:27:59,042 --> 00:28:00,750
Question number two,
why is it transmitting
740
00:28:00,875 --> 00:28:02,208
energy at 1.6 gigahertz?
741
00:28:02,292 --> 00:28:04,000
RON MURPHY: Right.
742
00:28:04,042 --> 00:28:05,417
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: This is a block
of frequency that's reserved.
743
00:28:05,542 --> 00:28:07,250
It's all earth-to-space,
space-to-earth communications.
744
00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:08,708
OK.
745
00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,500
This is most definitely
the heart of the energy.
746
00:28:11,583 --> 00:28:12,917
What's in this direction, Ron?
747
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,542
- No way.
- Yeah.
748
00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:19,667
Kecksburg is this direction.
749
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:20,667
Oh, absolutely.
750
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:22,500
Yes, yes, yes.
751
00:28:22,542 --> 00:28:24,250
That is wild, man.
752
00:28:24,375 --> 00:28:27,833
This mystery signal is
coming from the direction
753
00:28:27,917 --> 00:28:30,833
of the mystery event in 1965.
754
00:28:30,917 --> 00:28:32,833
So we've got a signal
coming from Kecksburg
755
00:28:32,875 --> 00:28:36,333
that seems to literally
end at this bridge.
756
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:39,167
I mean, I thought Kecksburg
was interesting, right?
757
00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:41,833
But now that we've been
here as well, I mean,
758
00:28:41,917 --> 00:28:44,042
there is something happening
here in Chestnut Ridge.
759
00:28:49,708 --> 00:28:52,125
[music playing]
760
00:28:52,208 --> 00:28:54,583
NARRATOR: Andy and Paul
return to Kecksburg
761
00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:57,167
to learn Pete Kelsey's
handheld and drone
762
00:28:57,208 --> 00:28:59,875
LiDAR results from the
possible UFO crash site.
763
00:28:59,958 --> 00:29:01,292
ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
Pete, I'm really
764
00:29:01,417 --> 00:29:02,833
excited to see these results.
765
00:29:02,917 --> 00:29:04,875
I mean, it's taken quite a
bit of work and adventure
766
00:29:04,958 --> 00:29:06,500
to get to this point.
767
00:29:06,583 --> 00:29:08,333
Yeah, I mean, we've really
been fighting the elements
768
00:29:08,375 --> 00:29:09,958
every step of the way here.
769
00:29:10,042 --> 00:29:12,167
NARRATOR: They're joined by
Chestnut Ridge investigator Stan
770
00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:15,000
Gordon and retired
Kecksburg fire chief
771
00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:18,375
and UFO eyewitness Ron Struble.
772
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,042
Well, you guys saw what
happened with the drone LiDAR.
773
00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:21,958
Absolutely.
774
00:29:22,042 --> 00:29:23,167
Yeah, so I've got dead stick.
775
00:29:23,292 --> 00:29:24,833
ANDY BUSTAMANTE:
It's not responding?
776
00:29:24,917 --> 00:29:25,917
I've got no control.
777
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,167
I can't do anything.
778
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:28,625
Wait, so you can't
even call it back?
779
00:29:28,708 --> 00:29:30,167
No, I'm stuck.
780
00:29:30,208 --> 00:29:33,042
This gives you a good look
at the extent of the data
781
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:37,042
that I was able to capture
from the air before it stopped.
782
00:29:37,125 --> 00:29:40,167
This is where it stopped,
this farthest point away.
783
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:42,833
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Which is also
in the same vicinity as where
784
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:45,792
you reported the actual
craft itself crashing
785
00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:47,625
or landing in that valley.
786
00:29:47,708 --> 00:29:49,333
PAUL BEBAN: The failure
happened before it
787
00:29:49,375 --> 00:29:51,000
even got over the ravine.
788
00:29:51,042 --> 00:29:54,000
It's still just making its way
across that big, open field,
789
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,875
getting to the
ravine, and then--
790
00:29:56,042 --> 00:29:58,083
Something pulled
that drone off course.
791
00:29:58,167 --> 00:29:59,667
Something confused
that drone before it
792
00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:02,167
could even get to the target
spot where we were looking.
793
00:30:02,208 --> 00:30:03,375
Maybe, yeah.
794
00:30:03,458 --> 00:30:05,167
Who knows?
795
00:30:05,208 --> 00:30:07,833
We also did a
ground-based LiDAR,
796
00:30:07,958 --> 00:30:10,500
so we should have more data
from the ravine itself that
797
00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:12,000
we collected on the ground.
798
00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:15,417
PETE KELSEY: So that
looks like this.
799
00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:20,167
Look at this right here.
800
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,625
I cut my teeth in civil
engineering and land surveying.
801
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:25,458
That's manmade earthwork.
802
00:30:25,542 --> 00:30:31,333
Because it's level against this
otherwise very steep slope.
803
00:30:31,417 --> 00:30:34,500
Straight lines, right
angles, those kind of things
804
00:30:34,583 --> 00:30:36,250
do not occur in nature, right?
805
00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:39,125
And then when you rotate the
view, like I've done here,
806
00:30:39,208 --> 00:30:41,542
and you see it has
a level bottom?
807
00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:44,667
PAUL BEBAN: I mean, this is
right where we were walking.
808
00:30:44,708 --> 00:30:46,250
Right where you
pointed us toward
809
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:50,667
is this evidence, 60 years
later, of that impact.
810
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:52,167
We looked at it
with our own eyes.
811
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:53,958
There's no level
ground down there.
812
00:30:54,042 --> 00:30:57,542
So that's a remnant of something
that's no longer visible.
813
00:30:57,667 --> 00:30:59,042
It was something
I was going to ask.
814
00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:00,917
Was there heavy
equipment in here
815
00:31:01,042 --> 00:31:02,208
that would have had to been--
816
00:31:02,292 --> 00:31:04,667
whatever it was,
was it carted out?
817
00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:06,167
Yes?
818
00:31:06,333 --> 00:31:08,583
There were two military
flatbed tractor trailers
819
00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,208
on the scene that night.
820
00:31:10,292 --> 00:31:12,000
What I understand
is this, you could
821
00:31:12,083 --> 00:31:15,375
not take that tractor trailer
right down to the impact site.
822
00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:17,125
They had to winch it over.
823
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:19,167
A crane would
need a level spot.
824
00:31:19,208 --> 00:31:21,458
Yes.
825
00:31:21,542 --> 00:31:23,583
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: When you
compare Pete's LiDAR data
826
00:31:23,708 --> 00:31:25,917
about what he is
seeing in this ravine,
827
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,083
and you contrast it with
what Stan has reported,
828
00:31:28,208 --> 00:31:30,833
his research has shown about
what happened here in Kecksburg,
829
00:31:30,917 --> 00:31:33,000
you really start to see
corroborating evidence that
830
00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:34,625
speaks to the fact
that there really
831
00:31:34,708 --> 00:31:36,833
may have been something that
happened at a specific point
832
00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:38,333
in this ravine.
833
00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:40,000
This is really just a
few feet away from where
834
00:31:40,125 --> 00:31:41,458
Paul and I took baselines.
835
00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:43,292
This is worth going
back and researching,
836
00:31:43,375 --> 00:31:45,792
whether or not there is actually
a difference between the rest
837
00:31:45,792 --> 00:31:48,708
of the ravine and this specific
point that Pete has identified.
838
00:31:48,792 --> 00:31:50,833
How does this make
you guys feel?
839
00:31:50,917 --> 00:31:52,583
It gives us a
little bit of hope
840
00:31:52,667 --> 00:31:55,833
that maybe someday we'll know
what happened in Kecksburg.
841
00:31:55,917 --> 00:31:57,667
There were so many
people involved.
842
00:31:57,792 --> 00:32:01,167
And so many people Ron knew,
people I talked to, many of them
843
00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:03,167
went to their grave
not knowing the truth.
844
00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:04,958
They all stuck by their story.
845
00:32:05,042 --> 00:32:06,500
Many of them took
a lot of ridicule.
846
00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:11,333
And, uh, they deserved
to know the truth.
847
00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:14,500
NARRATOR: Armed with new data
detailing a potential manmade
848
00:32:14,542 --> 00:32:18,083
feature only 20 feet away
from where the team originally
849
00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:22,333
investigated the rumored
location of the 1965 UFO
850
00:32:22,417 --> 00:32:25,333
landing, Andy, Paul,
and Pete decide
851
00:32:25,417 --> 00:32:29,458
to go back to replicate their
experiments in the exact spot.
852
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,500
This is it right here.
853
00:32:33,583 --> 00:32:35,250
Up there, yeah.
854
00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:38,833
You see how it feels like a
pad and sort of leveled out?
855
00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:42,583
And then it sort of ends
abruptly right there.
856
00:32:42,667 --> 00:32:45,792
NARRATOR: On their initial
visit to the alleged location
857
00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:48,958
of the UFO crash, less
than 20 feet away,
858
00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:51,875
there was zero activity
on the radio spectrum.
859
00:32:51,958 --> 00:32:54,500
I'll tell you, it's very flat.
860
00:32:54,542 --> 00:32:56,167
Tiny little peaks.
861
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:57,500
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow.
It's a quiet spectrum for sure.
862
00:32:57,583 --> 00:32:59,208
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
863
00:32:59,292 --> 00:33:01,125
NARRATOR: Now they'll check the
radio spectrum, at the newly
864
00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:03,500
discovered area of interest.
865
00:33:03,625 --> 00:33:05,083
I'll pop the RF scanner.
866
00:33:08,958 --> 00:33:11,542
There's a peak at 1.638.
867
00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:12,667
Are they significant peaks?
868
00:33:12,708 --> 00:33:13,708
Oh, yeah, look at that.
869
00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:15,708
Yeah.
870
00:33:15,792 --> 00:33:17,458
1.74.
871
00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:20,000
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the
same spectrum that we saw when
872
00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:21,125
we were here the first time.
873
00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:22,292
Right.
874
00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:24,042
So, yeah, we've
moved, what, 20 feet.
875
00:33:24,125 --> 00:33:25,458
Totally different spectrum.
876
00:33:25,542 --> 00:33:27,000
That's strange.
877
00:33:27,042 --> 00:33:28,500
PAUL BEBAN: The one
difference from here to there
878
00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:31,292
is this is what it was
indicated on the LiDAR
879
00:33:31,375 --> 00:33:34,625
as something unusual that
maybe suggests that this
880
00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:36,125
is the actual impact site.
881
00:33:36,208 --> 00:33:37,833
But that would not explain
how it could have such
882
00:33:37,958 --> 00:33:39,333
a different radio signature--
883
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:44,125
[laughs] with nothing in
between here and there.
884
00:33:44,208 --> 00:33:46,167
Unless it's hyper-localized,
unless it exists here
885
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:47,917
and doesn't exist
over there, we could
886
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,167
take the spectrum
analyzer right over
887
00:33:49,292 --> 00:33:50,708
there and find out right now.
- Yeah, that--
888
00:33:50,833 --> 00:33:52,167
I mean, how could that be--
889
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:53,792
how could the signal
differ across--
890
00:33:53,792 --> 00:33:54,708
It shouldn't.
891
00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:55,792
--such a short distance?
892
00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:57,417
We can test it.
893
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:58,750
We can take it right over there
and see if that same signal
894
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:59,542
is present right now.
895
00:33:59,667 --> 00:34:00,583
OK.
896
00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:01,500
Let's just walk it up.
897
00:34:01,542 --> 00:34:04,250
[music playing]
898
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:20,958
Look.
899
00:34:21,042 --> 00:34:22,625
It actually did
completely change.
900
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:23,417
Wow!
901
00:34:23,542 --> 00:34:24,750
Pete, look at this.
902
00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:28,167
It actually did
completely change.
903
00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:29,375
It's totally different.
904
00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:30,542
It's dead.
905
00:34:30,625 --> 00:34:31,125
It's a completely--
906
00:34:31,208 --> 00:34:32,000
Completely flat.
907
00:34:32,083 --> 00:34:33,500
--different signal.
908
00:34:33,583 --> 00:34:35,000
Look at that.
909
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,583
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We've
gone, what, 20 feet?
910
00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:38,458
That's unbelievable.
911
00:34:38,542 --> 00:34:42,500
PETE KELSEY: That's, like, not
within the realm of possible,
912
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:43,333
right?
913
00:34:43,417 --> 00:34:44,167
No, no.
914
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:45,625
That makes-- I'm--
915
00:34:45,708 --> 00:34:46,625
[laughs]
916
00:34:46,708 --> 00:34:48,500
I'm stunned.
917
00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:49,583
I want my mommy.
918
00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:52,333
[laughter]
919
00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,000
This doesn't make any sense.
920
00:34:54,083 --> 00:34:56,333
How is there a radio
signal in one place
921
00:34:56,375 --> 00:34:58,250
that doesn't exist
just a few feet away?
922
00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:59,958
That's not how
radio energy works.
923
00:35:00,042 --> 00:35:01,458
That's not how frequencies work.
924
00:35:01,542 --> 00:35:03,333
The only reason that
we were brought here
925
00:35:03,375 --> 00:35:05,000
was because of
Pete's LiDAR data.
926
00:35:05,042 --> 00:35:07,667
And now that we're here, we're
getting even more evidence that
927
00:35:07,708 --> 00:35:09,375
suggests that there
really was something
928
00:35:09,458 --> 00:35:11,167
strange that happened
on this spot,
929
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:13,250
in this ravine in Kecksburg.
930
00:35:13,375 --> 00:35:16,625
We might have actually
found the real crash site.
931
00:35:16,708 --> 00:35:21,875
That might explain why we have
so many localized anomalous
932
00:35:21,958 --> 00:35:23,958
readings right here
that we don't see
933
00:35:24,042 --> 00:35:25,583
anywhere else in this valley.
934
00:35:25,583 --> 00:35:27,667
Thanks, Pete, for pointing
that out in the LiDAR.
935
00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:29,542
We would have never
found this otherwise.
936
00:35:29,625 --> 00:35:30,667
Yeah.
937
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:32,333
Yeah, this is a great find.
938
00:35:32,417 --> 00:35:33,625
Amazing.
939
00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:34,500
Yeah, we've got to share
this with Travis and Erik.
940
00:35:34,625 --> 00:35:35,583
Absolutely.
941
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,250
[music playing]
942
00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:43,667
ERIK BARD: Well, guys,
welcome back to the ranch.
943
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:44,833
I want to hear about your
findings at Chestnut Ridge.
944
00:35:44,958 --> 00:35:46,292
I think it exceeded
our expectations.
945
00:35:46,375 --> 00:35:47,542
Mhm.
946
00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:49,250
But it left so many more
questions than answers.
947
00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:50,917
If you recall, we
went out there first
948
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,458
to dig into what happened in
Kecksburg in 1965, the reported
949
00:35:55,542 --> 00:35:58,833
landing or crashing of some
sort of acorn-shaped object
950
00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:00,000
from the sky.
951
00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:01,542
So we called in Pete Kelsey.
952
00:36:01,667 --> 00:36:04,500
And Pete was able
to run aerial LiDAR
953
00:36:04,583 --> 00:36:07,458
and walk a ground-based
SLAM scanner along with us
954
00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:10,125
so that we could really
saturate the area with data.
955
00:36:10,208 --> 00:36:11,667
And then when we did
get Pete's results--
956
00:36:11,792 --> 00:36:13,000
Yeah.
957
00:36:13,042 --> 00:36:14,583
--they were really
quite telling.
958
00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:16,583
So Pete's actually waiting
online to give us a walkthrough
959
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:17,792
of what he discovered.
960
00:36:17,875 --> 00:36:20,333
Pete, you got me, man?
961
00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,000
Hey, Andy.
How are you?
962
00:36:22,042 --> 00:36:23,125
Hey, good to see you, sir.
963
00:36:23,208 --> 00:36:24,167
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Hey, Pete.
964
00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:25,833
Hey, everybody's there.
965
00:36:25,917 --> 00:36:28,042
Do you have the LiDAR results
from the SLAM scanner nearby?
966
00:36:28,042 --> 00:36:29,167
PETE KELSEY: Yeah.
967
00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:31,583
So this is the
SLAM scanner data.
968
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:36,167
If I rotate past horizontal,
this right here, I mean,
969
00:36:36,208 --> 00:36:39,833
right away was like,
OK, that's unusual.
970
00:36:39,833 --> 00:36:44,833
I mean, literally a rectangle
of graded level ground.
971
00:36:44,917 --> 00:36:46,250
TRAVIS TAYLOR: OK, yeah, I see.
972
00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:48,375
Why is it level?
973
00:36:48,458 --> 00:36:51,125
PETE KELSEY: It just
suggests made earthworks.
974
00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:52,333
ERIK BARD: Oh, yeah.
975
00:36:52,458 --> 00:36:54,125
TRAVIS TAYLOR:
But, uh, this looks
976
00:36:54,208 --> 00:36:57,083
like there's some
sort of excavation
977
00:36:57,167 --> 00:36:58,667
that took place in that spot.
978
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:00,333
And for there to
have been so many
979
00:37:00,417 --> 00:37:02,292
witnesses that led
you to that spot,
980
00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:05,375
it really is very, uh, suspect.
981
00:37:05,458 --> 00:37:06,667
Yeah.
982
00:37:06,792 --> 00:37:09,167
Um, one other thing
I'd like to show you.
983
00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:14,083
So this has me shaking my
head, my friends, again,
984
00:37:14,167 --> 00:37:17,708
because we've got
data underground.
985
00:37:17,792 --> 00:37:18,458
See this?
986
00:37:18,542 --> 00:37:19,750
ERIK BARD: There it is.
987
00:37:19,833 --> 00:37:22,042
That's clearly below
ground right there.
988
00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:23,542
How far underground is that?
989
00:37:23,625 --> 00:37:25,625
PETE KELSEY: Oh, at 100 feet.
990
00:37:25,708 --> 00:37:26,833
It's impossible.
991
00:37:26,917 --> 00:37:29,000
I mean, here we go again, right?
992
00:37:29,125 --> 00:37:32,292
Lasers can't see
through solid ground.
993
00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:33,750
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Now,
see, that tells us
994
00:37:33,833 --> 00:37:37,250
that the computer
system in the LiDAR
995
00:37:37,375 --> 00:37:40,500
believes that those
particular points
996
00:37:40,583 --> 00:37:45,875
took longer to get back to the
receiver than it actually did.
997
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,708
Yeah, that data identifies
a very unique point in space
998
00:37:50,792 --> 00:37:54,333
and time during the scan
that is exceptional to,
999
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,000
you know, versus
everything else.
1000
00:37:56,042 --> 00:37:58,000
PETE KELSEY: You know, where
have we seen this before?
1001
00:37:58,083 --> 00:38:02,125
We've seen it at the Highway
350 bridge at Miller Ranch.
1002
00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:03,542
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Triangle.
1003
00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:04,833
PETE KELSEY: We've seen
it at Skinwalker Ranch.
1004
00:38:04,917 --> 00:38:05,750
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Mhm.
1005
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:07,250
Yeah, that's right.
1006
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,583
Maybe we're on to
something that nobody's
1007
00:38:09,583 --> 00:38:11,500
ever really figured out before.
1008
00:38:11,542 --> 00:38:13,417
To my knowledge,
this is probably
1009
00:38:13,542 --> 00:38:15,708
the first time anybody's ever
done a LiDAR measurement there.
1010
00:38:15,833 --> 00:38:19,333
Any place that I get
LiDAR returns underground,
1011
00:38:19,417 --> 00:38:20,833
that's interesting.
1012
00:38:20,875 --> 00:38:21,833
Thanks, Pete.
1013
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,167
Thank you, guys.
1014
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:24,667
It made us ask
ourselves the question
1015
00:38:24,792 --> 00:38:27,417
in that specific
depression, that site
1016
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,208
that Pete's LiDAR
found, what else
1017
00:38:29,208 --> 00:38:30,833
could we measure in that site?
1018
00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:34,208
So we went back down there and
we took an RF spectrum analyzer.
1019
00:38:34,292 --> 00:38:36,167
We are literally standing
in the indented site
1020
00:38:36,208 --> 00:38:38,208
that Pete identified
in his data.
1021
00:38:38,292 --> 00:38:40,958
PAUL BEBAN: There
was a peak at 1.638.
1022
00:38:41,042 --> 00:38:42,667
- Look at that.
- Yeah.
1023
00:38:42,792 --> 00:38:44,500
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: That's not the
same spectrum that we saw when
1024
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,000
we were here the first time.
PAUL BEBAN: Right.
1025
00:38:46,083 --> 00:38:47,292
Totally different spectrum.
1026
00:38:47,375 --> 00:38:48,875
That's strange.
1027
00:38:48,958 --> 00:38:51,083
And this is the spectrum
analyzer, readings that we're
1028
00:38:51,208 --> 00:38:53,583
getting, which are completely
different than the baseline
1029
00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:56,000
readings we got in
the ravine earlier
1030
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,667
when we first
arrived to Kecksburg.
1031
00:38:57,708 --> 00:38:59,375
PAUL BEBAN: Tiny little peaks.
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: Oh, wow.
1032
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:01,208
It's a quiet spectrum for sure.
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
1033
00:39:01,292 --> 00:39:03,500
Where was the ravine in
relation to this point?
1034
00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:05,333
ANDY BUSTAMANTE: We're
going to show you here.
1035
00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:07,083
We can test it.
1036
00:39:07,167 --> 00:39:08,292
We can take it right over there
and see if that same signal
1037
00:39:08,375 --> 00:39:09,167
is present right now.
1038
00:39:09,208 --> 00:39:10,167
OK.
1039
00:39:10,292 --> 00:39:11,292
Let's just walk it up.
1040
00:39:15,792 --> 00:39:17,333
TRAVIS TAYLOR:
[laughs] Pete's like--
1041
00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:18,667
[laughs] look at him.
1042
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,417
ERIK BARD: Pete's
expression says it all.
1043
00:39:20,542 --> 00:39:22,833
TRAVIS TAYLOR: I can see the
confusion through his shades.
1044
00:39:22,917 --> 00:39:23,750
ERIK BARD: Yes.
1045
00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:25,458
He's like, what?
1046
00:39:25,542 --> 00:39:26,833
PAUL BEBAN: Because we're
walking, what-- you can see--
1047
00:39:26,875 --> 00:39:27,667
20 feet?
1048
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:28,500
ERIK BARD: Yeah.
1049
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:29,333
OK.
1050
00:39:29,417 --> 00:39:30,667
Look at that.
1051
00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:32,167
It actually did
completely change.
1052
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:33,042
Wow!
1053
00:39:33,208 --> 00:39:34,333
Pete, look at this.
1054
00:39:34,417 --> 00:39:37,917
It actually did
completely change.
1055
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
It's totally different.
1056
00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:40,500
It's dead.
1057
00:39:40,583 --> 00:39:43,125
TRAVIS TAYLOR: See, that
right there is fantastic data.
1058
00:39:43,208 --> 00:39:45,333
Look at that.
1059
00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:47,250
We've gone, what, 20 feet?
1060
00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:48,667
That's unbelievable.
1061
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:50,833
So I'd like to stop you
here and ask a question.
1062
00:39:50,917 --> 00:39:52,375
[laughs]
1063
00:39:52,458 --> 00:39:54,958
What I just watched
was contiguous footage?
1064
00:39:55,042 --> 00:39:56,083
PAUL BEBAN: Mhm.
Yup.
1065
00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:57,333
There was no cut.
1066
00:39:57,417 --> 00:39:59,208
There was no editorial
process there.
1067
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:00,542
That is correct.
1068
00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:02,167
Physically walked,
in my hand, 20 feet.
1069
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:03,792
That's it.
1070
00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:07,833
TRAVIS TAYLOR: You dropped,
uh, 55 dB in 20 feet.
1071
00:40:07,875 --> 00:40:09,583
I mean, you've got the
numbers right here.
1072
00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:11,500
55 dB, that's ginormous change.
1073
00:40:11,625 --> 00:40:13,042
PAUL BEBAN: Orders of magnitude.
1074
00:40:13,167 --> 00:40:14,792
Many orders of
magnitude change.
1075
00:40:14,875 --> 00:40:17,750
And here's another piece that
should be the opposite of this.
1076
00:40:17,833 --> 00:40:19,500
You guys were down in a hole.
1077
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:20,792
PAUL BEBAN: Right.
- Right?
1078
00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:21,625
In a ravine.
1079
00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:23,500
And you walked uphill.
1080
00:40:23,583 --> 00:40:25,333
The signal should have got
stronger as you walked uphill
1081
00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:28,167
because there's less terrain
blocking from wherever it could
1082
00:40:28,208 --> 00:40:30,417
be coming from, unless
it's coming from down there
1083
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:32,000
in that hole.
1084
00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:34,333
What is this signal doing there?
1085
00:40:34,417 --> 00:40:35,750
That doesn't add up.
1086
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,292
That-- that is just too much.
1087
00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:42,667
Here on the ranch
when we get it,
1088
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:44,833
we usually see some
kind of phenomena occur.
1089
00:40:44,875 --> 00:40:48,083
We see something we expect,
OK, somehow or other,
1090
00:40:48,167 --> 00:40:50,750
the source is with whatever
this is, or this is causing it.
1091
00:40:50,833 --> 00:40:52,667
It's a byproduct or something.
1092
00:40:52,708 --> 00:40:54,333
This looks like it's just
coming out of the dadgum ground.
1093
00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:55,625
Right.
1094
00:40:55,708 --> 00:40:56,958
Or it's a beam
coming from somewhere
1095
00:40:57,042 --> 00:40:58,333
else hitting the ground.
1096
00:40:58,417 --> 00:41:00,917
So this is-- that
shouldn't be there.
1097
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,208
Anyway, whatever that is,
it shouldn't be there.
1098
00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:05,625
Either we've got
something active,
1099
00:41:05,708 --> 00:41:09,667
something energizing that
space in the RF today,
1100
00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:13,958
and for who knows how long, or
we've got some kind of residual
1101
00:41:14,042 --> 00:41:15,167
from the event.
1102
00:41:15,292 --> 00:41:16,917
TRAVIS TAYLOR: So
what you have shown
1103
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,167
is there is something very odd
about that particular point
1104
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:21,583
in Kecksburg.
1105
00:41:21,667 --> 00:41:23,208
ERIK BARD: You're
talking about getting
1106
00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,167
concrete evidence of something--
what did you say, 60 years?
1107
00:41:26,208 --> 00:41:27,833
PAUL BEBAN: 60 years ago.
1108
00:41:27,875 --> 00:41:30,500
Did a little beacon fall off
of whatever that acorn-shaped
1109
00:41:30,583 --> 00:41:31,667
thing was and it's still--
1110
00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:32,500
A 60-year battery.
1111
00:41:32,583 --> 00:41:34,000
--with a 60-year--
1112
00:41:34,125 --> 00:41:35,667
yeah, right?
1113
00:41:35,792 --> 00:41:37,667
I'm thinking right now of
all sorts of different things
1114
00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:39,708
that we need to go back and do.
1115
00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:42,542
This place, to me, is absolutely
fascinating and bizarre.
1116
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:44,292
I mean, I would
love to say that we're
1117
00:41:44,375 --> 00:41:45,625
scratching the surface.
1118
00:41:45,708 --> 00:41:46,458
I feel like we're just
tapping on the surface.
1119
00:41:46,542 --> 00:41:48,083
Yeah, yeah.
1120
00:41:48,167 --> 00:41:49,458
The more and more you
guys do, the more and more
1121
00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:50,667
we realize we don't know.
1122
00:41:50,708 --> 00:41:52,250
That's exactly
what I was feeling.
1123
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:53,625
Good work, guys.
1124
00:41:53,708 --> 00:41:54,667
I didn't think you
were going to come back
1125
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,000
with this, that's for sure.
1126
00:41:56,083 --> 00:41:56,833
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
1127
00:41:56,875 --> 00:41:58,333
Neither did we.
1128
00:41:58,375 --> 00:42:00,250
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Yeah, can't wait
to see what you guys do next.
81713
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