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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,400 {\an8}Are you in pain? 2 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,560 {\an8}Here. 3 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,999 We've seen fragments before. 4 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,279 Bits of pages that didn't burn in the car... 5 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,159 enough to confirm that he kept journals. 6 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,600 But... nothing like this. 7 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed. 8 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,559 I'd put it to Spector that, 9 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:28,079 between the strangulation of Rose and the murder of Fiona Gallagher, 10 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,720 that there must have been other attacks. Though he... 11 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,399 said that there were no other attacks, 12 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,520 that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder. 13 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,879 During that gap in time 14 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,320 he suggested that he always had a project to work on. 15 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Are these those projects? 16 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,920 "A.S." 17 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,159 Might live in the Holylands area? 18 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Who might be a journalist? 19 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Who seems to wake up late every day and skip breakfast? 20 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,279 Who wears a cream robe after her bath... 21 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,600 and sometimes doesn't completely close her bedroom curtains? 22 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Or... "R.W." 23 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,799 Who cycles to the university most days off? 24 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Somewhere in the Lisburn Road? 25 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,600 Always brings her lunch with her and eats in the Botanic Gardens? 26 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,239 Who has clear, pale skin, 27 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,160 wears close-fitting clothes and walks with a short stride that Spector likes? 28 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Where on the continuum of his violence do these journals fit? 29 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,839 Are they just fantasies that sustain him... 30 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,560 feed his appetites? 31 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,960 Or are they a record... 32 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,720 of nine more murders? 33 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,919 What time of day is it? 34 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Morning, afternoon, night? 35 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,199 Morning. 36 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Where are we? 37 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Uh, Belfast General Hospital. 38 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,160 Can you remember the name of your nurse? 39 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Kiera. 40 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,159 Are you married? 41 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,400 - Or do you have a partner? - I'm married. 42 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:22,600 Can you remember any other family members? 43 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,760 Sally Ann has a father, John... 44 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 and a mother, Carol. 45 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,439 We call her CC. 46 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,920 And what about you? 47 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 - Me? - Do you have any family? 48 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,600 - No. - Why is that? 49 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,400 My mother died. 50 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,320 And what about your father? 51 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,360 When I was growing up he was known as Peter Baldwin. 52 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,159 I thought that man was my real father... 53 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,760 until he left us. 54 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,600 My mother told me that he wasn't my real father... 55 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,000 He was just a man. 56 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,440 When did you become Paul Spector? 57 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Just before I met Sally Ann. 58 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,920 And why did you change? 59 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,279 Wanted a... clean start. New life. 60 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:35,680 Why is that? 61 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,840 I'm not sure. 62 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Has that new life worked for you? 63 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,399 The sheer volume of garments 64 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,880 suggests there were very many fetish burglaries at that time. 65 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,360 His journals talk of... climbing scaffolding... 66 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,840 finding windows open, doors unlocked, alarms not set. 67 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,560 I took this photograph to be of a woman. 68 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,279 On closer inspection... 69 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,480 it's clear it's a mannequin. 70 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,640 And these pictures of him... 71 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,880 The bondage... 72 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,840 the auto-asphyxiation... 73 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,199 introduce a new element 74 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,840 to our understanding of his sexual behavior. 75 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,839 Has any, uh, information returned to you 76 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,200 over the last 12 hours voluntarily? 77 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,040 Don't think so. 78 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Hold this in your hand. 79 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,160 Keep it safe. 80 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Will you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time? 81 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Yes. 82 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Who's the British Prime Minister? 83 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Tony Blair. 84 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,160 Have you heard of Facebook? 85 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,840 - Yes. - And what is it? 86 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,320 It's, um... It's a social networking site. 87 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,760 And what about Twitter? 88 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,959 Dunno what that is. 89 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,720 So you don't know what a tweet is? Or tweeting? 90 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Is it the sound a bird makes? 91 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,400 What's a hashtag? 92 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,120 No idea. 93 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Presumably I'm supposed to know what these things are? 94 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Maybe. 95 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,440 The main thing is that we identify and find these women. 96 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Use the initials. 97 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,879 Look at solved or unsolved 98 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,519 sexually-motivated murders or attempted murders, 99 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,480 particularly strangulations occurring in homes and apartments. 100 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Check missing persons for suspected foul play. 101 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,280 We need to know if these women are alive or dead. 102 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,639 I think that's all, unless there's anything else? 103 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,439 We've confirmed the list of children's homes Spector was in 104 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,359 following the death of his mother. 105 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,119 We have lists of all his fellow pupils including those at Gortnacul. 106 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,239 Any news on the Benedetto girl? 107 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,559 Uh, uniforms called at her house this morning, ma'am. 108 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,920 She didn't come home last night. Her mother has no idea where she is. 109 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,600 A warrant's been issued for her arrest. 110 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Thank you all. 111 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,120 What's the last full day you remember? 112 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,720 It was with Olivia. 113 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,080 Go on. 114 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,399 Erm... I took her to her playgroup... 115 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,240 a musical playgroup. 116 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,600 She loves dancing. 117 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,320 And, uh, we'll sing songs... 118 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,680 "Wheels on the Bus." 119 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,519 She touches all the right places 120 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,160 when she does "Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes." 121 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,080 Then we... went for lunch in the park. 122 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,840 She was pedaling on her tricycle. 123 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,360 There's a pair of swans on the water there... 124 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,119 nine or ten babies. 125 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,680 Ugly ducklings. 126 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,839 She was talking loads. 127 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,560 She's always getting me to play make-believe with her. 128 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,960 It sounds to me like Olivia is about two years old? 129 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,720 Yeah. 130 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 But she isn't, is she? 131 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,640 Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you? 132 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,160 Well... 133 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,440 Feels like it's nighttime and... 134 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,400 there's a thunderstorm and I'm standing on a hillside... 135 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,400 and I've been asked to draw a map of the valley below. 136 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,839 There's lightning flashes that light up the land, but... 137 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,959 but only for a few seconds, 138 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,960 not long enough to draw the map. 139 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,399 Can you recall who you are? 140 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,039 In the sense of what you were like and what you're like now? 141 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,440 Your trait characteristics? 142 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Um... 143 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,960 I'm told I have a son. 144 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,400 I have no reason to think that people are lying to me, but... 145 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,120 I don't feel it. 146 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,040 I'm told I'm in trouble with the police. 147 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Don't know what I've done. 148 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,079 I think that I... I might be different... 149 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,920 but... I don't know why. 150 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,600 I feel like I'm an all right person? 151 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,000 It'll all come back to me, won't it? 152 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Your anterograde memory is working well. 153 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,960 Anything else you've forgotten, you can relearn. 154 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,120 But the ownership is gone? 155 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,279 - Gibson. - Patrick Spencer. 156 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,800 ICU consultant, Belfast General Hospital. 157 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,319 Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. I understand he's conscious? 158 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,639 Yes. His physiology is normalizing. 159 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,719 He's cardiovascularly stable, 160 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,519 and has made good progress, given the massive insult 161 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,119 and blood loss from the bullet wounds... 162 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,759 But? 163 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,040 But... there is an issue. 164 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,159 Although his short-term memory seems to be functioning adequately... 165 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,639 it seems Mr. Spector has suffered quite extensive long-term memory loss. 166 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,120 Okay. 167 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,320 I'm just gonna move your legs to the edge of the bed here. 168 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,960 Okay. 169 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,439 Okay, here we go. 170 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Keep going. Right, yeah. 171 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,280 Yeah. 172 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Okay, that's good. Well done. 173 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,679 Apparently, he's docile. 174 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,639 Well-oriented in time and space. 175 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,159 And has established good relations with his doctors and nurses. 176 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Oh, for pity's sake. 177 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,039 Seems he can acquire new information and keep track of his medical procedures, 178 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,039 but that he has almost no recollection of the events 179 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,639 that have taken place over the last six years or so. 180 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? 181 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,920 I think we have to. 182 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,839 Are they linking this... 183 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,120 this impairment directly to the shooting? 184 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,640 The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet. 185 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,919 It... It might be organic, 186 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,759 an injury to the brain 187 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,039 because of blood loss or resultant lack of oxygen. 188 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Or it could be psychogenic... 189 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,200 A result perhaps of trauma. 190 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,480 But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say. 191 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,320 So perform the MRI scan. 192 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,120 Spector has retained metal fragments from the bullet in his body. 193 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,639 If they contain iron, the fragments can be heated up 194 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,799 and the magnet can drag them through the body 195 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,239 and cause more organ damage. 196 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,839 Are they conducting psychological tests yet? 197 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,359 Yes, they are. 198 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,519 The consultant neuropsychologist is an Alison Walden. 199 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,079 But Jim's right. 200 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,679 He must be feigning surely? 201 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,319 Or at the very least exaggerating his symptoms? 202 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,640 To what end? 203 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,799 The law does not concern itself 204 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,999 with the present state of mind of the criminal defendant, 205 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,639 only with the state of mind at the time the crime was committed 206 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,279 and Spector's was clearly conveyed in his confession. 207 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,639 He clearly understood the difference between right and wrong 208 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:44,999 at the time of the crimes, 209 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,719 and therefore, he will be held accountable. 210 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,880 But it is founded on memory-based evidence. 211 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,119 If he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes, 212 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,680 it poses all sorts of problems for the courts. 213 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,639 It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent. 214 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,880 It seems there's more than usual pressure to build the evidential case against him. 215 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,760 That's precisely what we're doing, sir. 216 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:13,639 What will happen to him 217 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,439 if the defense does ask for a mental health assessment? 218 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,679 His potential dangerousness suggests 219 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,519 a forensic unit rather than a hospital ward. 220 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,999 And where would that be? 221 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,399 The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast. 222 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,479 Who will assess him? 223 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,720 A Gus Larson. 224 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,159 He's the consultant forensic psychiatrist. 225 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Very experienced, very used to giving expert testimony in court. 226 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,239 The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics 227 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,680 and back into the justice system, the better. 228 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,800 Thanks, Alison. 229 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,879 Kiera Sheridan, Mr. Spector's dedicated nurse. 230 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,799 She provides him with one-to-one care. 231 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,759 She will limit your visit if patient status warrants it. 232 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,000 - Thank you. - She'll show you in. 233 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,360 What about the wife? 234 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,120 I'm worried about her. 235 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,319 It's obviously been a devastating blow to her, 236 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,400 as it would be to anyone who seems to have had no real suspicions. 237 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,600 But there's no possibility of her repeating the offense. 238 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,039 She's admitted her guilt, she's corrected the facts. 239 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,080 She might even end up being a witness for the prosecution. 240 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,879 I think we should drop the charges. 241 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,919 If she'd told the truth in the first place about Spector's whereabouts... 242 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,719 then we could have investigated him more closely, 243 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,640 and perhaps Rose Stagg would not have been put through the ordeal that she has. 244 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,239 I just feel... that pursuing her through the courts 245 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440 will likely have a very bad effect on her mental and physical health. 246 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,319 Is prosecution... really in the public interest? 247 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,559 As director of public prosecutions, I have to say, I think it is. 248 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,759 How things will unfold with Spector is unclear. 249 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,680 Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal. 250 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 We mean business... and no one involved will be getting off lightly. 251 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Sally Ann Spector miscarried in police custody. 252 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,119 That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman... but particularly her. 253 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,160 Her identity is wrapped up in her children and those that she cares for. 254 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,959 She's perceived as an angel by the parents of the babies she looks after in the NICU. 255 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,959 Now it appears as if she's lost everything, 256 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,120 her marriage, her work, her unborn child. 257 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,879 She's paid a very high price for her naivety. 258 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,639 I can't believe that of all people, 259 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,440 you are suggesting that we treat Sally Ann paternalistically. 260 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,919 Now I say we move ahead with the charges. 261 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,479 And we can use them as leverage against Spector. 262 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,640 I do think we need to bear in mind the seriousness of the offense. 263 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,799 We accepted instructions on your behalf 264 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,159 from your wife when you were unconscious. 265 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Today is an opportunity for you to say if you are 266 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,640 happy for us to be representing you. 267 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,320 I believe that the nature of your injuries has been explained to you? 268 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,079 Yes. 269 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,360 And you understand that you were in police custody when you were shot? 270 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,239 Yes, but I still don't know why. 271 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,760 No one will tell me. 272 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,280 An individual called James Tyler was responsible. 273 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,680 I don't know who that is. 274 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,080 Why did he shoot me? 275 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600 I need to get more information from the police before I can explain that. 276 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760 The more pressing issue, Mr. Spector... 277 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,559 is that the police have charged you with a number of very serious crimes. 278 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,720 I mean... the most serious crimes on the statute book. 279 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,439 What crimes? 280 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,400 A series of murders. 281 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Well, what sort of murders? 282 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,040 With your permission, let me take you through the police charge sheet. 283 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960 All the alleged crimes took place in Belfast. 284 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,879 The police claim that on the 10th day of December, 2011, 285 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,519 you murdered university lecturer Fiona Gallagher, in her home, 286 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480 before fleeing the scene. 287 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Death by strangulation. 288 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,200 And on the 15th of March, 2012... 289 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,959 you murdered architect Alice Monroe, in her home, 290 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000 strangling her with a ligature. 291 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,079 They allege that you then washed and dried her body, 292 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,159 before putting her back to bed and posing her body. 293 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,679 That on the 16th of April, 2012, 294 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,039 you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay, in her home, 295 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920 strangling her with a ligature. 296 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,440 They allege that you washed and dried Sarah's body... 297 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,840 washed and dried her bedclothes... 298 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,839 painted her fingernails red... 299 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,320 before posing her in her bed and taking photographs. 300 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death. 301 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,880 That four days later, on the 20th of April, 2012... 302 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,640 you attacked and strangled accountant Annie Brawley, in her home. 303 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,719 They claim that you also murdered her brother, Joseph Brawley, 304 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879 when he tried to defend his sister, 305 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,119 stabbing him three times with some decorating shears. 306 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,599 You then fled the scene. 307 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Annie Brawley survived the attack. 308 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,279 I don't recognize any of these people. 309 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,120 I've never seen these people before. 310 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,520 There's more. 311 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,919 They allege that on May the 3rd, 312 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200 you abducted Rose Stagg from her home... 313 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,719 imprisoned her unlawfully, 314 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,840 and detained her against her will. 315 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,880 I know her. 316 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,520 - Rose what? Who did you say? - Stagg. 317 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Perhaps you know Mrs. Stagg better as Rose McGill? 318 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Yes. 319 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,640 But I... I haven't seen her... in the last four years or so. 320 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 When did you last see her do you think? 321 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,919 Early summer. 322 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,280 2002. 323 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,079 2002 is ten years ago, not four. 324 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,199 Have you been listening to the charges, Mr. Spector? 325 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,480 It's May 2012. 326 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,080 I'm sorry. 327 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,520 I'm sorry. 328 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,720 What happened to Rose? 329 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,119 She's alive. 330 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,880 The police say you led them to her. 331 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,239 She was found in the boot of her own car. 332 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,079 The police suggest you left her trapped. 333 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Left her to die. 334 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,360 Why would I do that to Rose? 335 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 The police say they have a confession. 336 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,800 That you made a number of admissions. 337 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,959 I've, um... no memory of that. 338 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,159 We think it makes sense 339 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,079 for your first appearance in court to be as soon as possible 340 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,639 because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process. 341 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,840 Will you be strong enough? 342 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,599 Once we are in receipt of those documents, 343 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,799 we will look at the detail of that confession 344 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,479 and take you through every bit of evidence against you, 345 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,880 every witness statement, page by page, line by line. 346 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Is that all clear? 347 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Yes. 348 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,040 Any questions? 349 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,799 I just need some time for it all to sink in. 350 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,000 'Course. 351 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840 Do you know who that is? 352 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,080 No. 353 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,479 Should I? 354 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,319 If any memories relevant to the case return to you, 355 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,880 please contact Louise here. 356 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200 We're here to help you, Mr. Spector. 357 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,079 We will guide you through this. 358 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,600 Thank you. 359 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you. 360 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,719 Set up an interview room, Dani. 361 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,080 I'd like you to sit in. 362 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Of course. 363 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,119 I woke to find him in bed with me. 364 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,359 He took me downstairs, his hand over my mouth, 365 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,280 he took me into the kitchen. 366 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Go on. 367 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560 He used my name. 368 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,400 He called me Rose. 369 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040 I thought perhaps I recognized the voice. 370 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800 He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family... 371 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120 but that he would if I cried out. 372 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640 And then he released me. 373 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,720 And when I turned around, I recognized him. 374 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320 What did you think in that moment? 375 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,920 Just for a moment... 376 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720 I thought that maybe it would be all right. 377 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320 That maybe it was a joke... a game. 378 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,640 What did you say? 379 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,960 I just said, "Peter?" 380 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,840 He... he made me dress from clothes that were hanging in the utility room. 381 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920 And he made me write a note. He told me what to put. 382 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040 The house seemed so silent. 383 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,800 The sound of the pen on the paper seemed really loud in my head. 384 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,680 Like a whooshing. 385 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,480 All I could think about was getting him out of there, away from Nancy. 386 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200 Did you resist him at all? 387 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Uh, I was numb. 388 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,039 I didn't really struggle 389 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,120 until he was walking me towards that awful building. 390 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480 I thought, "If he takes me in there... 391 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,120 I'm gonna die. 392 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160 I'm gonna be the next victim." 393 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,960 That's when I tried to run. 394 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120 But he was too strong. 395 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400 He made tapes of you. 396 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,480 We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone. 397 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,480 You've seen them? 398 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,960 He tied me to a chair. 399 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520 It was fixed to the ground. 400 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,399 Then he sat behind the camera, so that when I looked at him, 401 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080 I was looking directly into the lens. 402 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440 He hardly spoke, he... 403 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,400 he just stared at me. 404 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280 I tried everything I could to get through to him. 405 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,599 I begged him, I flattered him, I insulted him. 406 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880 I tried to provoke him, even. 407 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640 He didn't respond. 408 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,120 His eyes were open, but it was like he was in a trance. 409 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,040 Did he sexually assault you? 410 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,999 No. 411 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,080 I don't think so. 412 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,399 Did he perform sex acts on himself? 413 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400 Did he masturbate in front of you? 414 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,360 No. Just the filming. 415 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,120 Are those healing all right? 416 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,880 I'm told I did it to myself. 417 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319 I've no memory of that. 418 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,639 We found a broken lens 419 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,519 from a pair of sunglasses in the boot of your car. 420 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920 Your blood was on them. There were no other fingerprints. 421 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,880 I can't work out if it's just marks... 422 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,720 or if it's a message. 423 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,840 When I first saw it... 424 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,760 it looked like an attempt to write... "I love you." 425 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,319 Breathe. 426 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360 I always thought that I wanted... 427 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440 love and security. 428 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040 Now I just... 429 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,120 feel like I'm floating free... 430 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,160 in a void. 431 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,760 Oh... 432 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,639 You have such a strong sense of purpose. 433 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,519 I feel like... 434 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,800 there's nothing beneath my feet right now, like... 435 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,160 nothing steadying them. 436 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,319 It's as if I'm slightly drunk. 437 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,880 Rose. Rose. 438 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,079 Remember... 439 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,600 you survived. 440 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,160 You got through it. 441 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,320 It's in the past. 442 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279 Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counselor 443 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,999 from South Belfast, charged with four counts of murder, 444 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,479 is due to make his first appearance in court today. 445 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,479 The four female victims, all young professional women in their 30s, 446 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,719 were attacked in their homes at night. 447 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,880 Three of those women died of manual or ligature strangulation. 448 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,079 Spector, a married man and father of two, 449 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,879 is also charged with the attempted murder of accountant Annie Brawley, 450 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,799 and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment 451 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,720 of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg... 452 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,160 Your head. 453 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200 I worry this is all too soon for you. 454 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,640 I'll be fine. 455 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,719 Detective Superintendent Gibson, 456 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,519 the man you have in custody, will he be appearing in court today? 457 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,399 He's been shot by one of your own officers? 458 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,319 Chief Superintendent, is Spector appearing in person today? 459 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,039 Hello, how are you doing? Are you ready for this? 460 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,159 I guess... 461 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,840 Yeah, yeah. Shall we head up, then? 462 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,240 Stand there. 463 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,399 Look straight into the camera. 464 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,559 You'll be able to see the judge and the legal teams. 465 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,240 Answer any questions clearly. 466 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,399 The, uh, prosecution has suggested 467 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,279 we read the shortened version of the charge. 468 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,439 Are you happy enough with that? 469 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,520 Yeah, that's fine. 470 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,880 All rise. 471 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560 Thank you. Please sit. 472 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,440 Are you ready to proceed, ma'am? 473 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,520 I am. 474 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,199 Mr. Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings? 475 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,360 Yes. 476 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,799 The charges against the accused are stated as four counts of murder. 477 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,879 One of attempted murder, 478 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,519 and one of abduction and unlawful imprisonment. 479 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,760 Can you confirm for the court that you are Peter Paul Spector? 480 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,759 Yes. 481 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,519 That your date of birth is the 25th of May, 1979? 482 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,600 That's correct. 483 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,960 And that you live at 64 Tiberias Drive, Belfast, BT6 7KM? 484 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,239 So I've been told. 485 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,760 Why is he answering in that manner? 486 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,960 Ma'am, if I may. 487 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,039 My client has to answer in that manner 488 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,240 because he has suffered significant memory loss. 489 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,599 As you no doubt know, Mr. Spector was shot while in police custody. 490 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,639 He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time. 491 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,519 The reason he is appearing from hospital 492 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,399 is that he is still being held there in intensive care. 493 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,719 I've written reports from the ICU consultant, Dr. Spencer, 494 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,679 and from the consultant neuropsychologist, Dr. Alison Walden, 495 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,759 that explain the nature and degree of my client's disability. 496 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,719 Dr. Walden is approved under Part II of the Mental Health Order 1986. 497 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,799 There's information there about the, uh, treatment 498 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,119 Mr. Spector's undergone and an account of his behavior in hospital. 499 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,919 The memory loss, you will see, covers a period of approximately six years, 500 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,120 up to and including the recent shooting. 501 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,519 One of the primary foundations of criminal law 502 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,599 is that all defendants are capable of actively participating 503 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,719 in their defense. 504 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,119 Mr. Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing. 505 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,959 Whilst Mr. Spector understands that he is in court 506 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,799 and charged with a number of criminal offenses 507 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,559 and understands the nature and object 508 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,039 and the possible consequences of the proceedings, 509 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,479 he cannot enter a plea, he cannot consult with 510 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,439 or assist his lawyer, he cannot give evidence in his own defense. 511 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,439 On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence, 512 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,159 as to whether Mr. Spector is... is fit to stand trial. 513 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,919 Mr. Healy, let me stop you there. 514 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,599 Now, the concerns you have raised are noted, 515 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,239 but you know as well as I do that 516 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,120 it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate. 517 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,039 Mr. Spector, 518 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,320 do you understand that your case must be sent to Crown Court? 519 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,760 Yes. 520 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,159 Then you will be held on remand in hospital 521 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,879 until arrangements can be made to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic, 522 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,159 where more tests can be done to determine the nature of your mental disability. 523 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,200 A life for a life! 524 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,839 That's the guy who's defending the murderer! 525 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,679 Mr. Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler? 526 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,800 The alleged Belfast Strangler. 527 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,919 Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms, 528 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,479 Mr. Spector spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth 529 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,239 during the ten-minute hearing. 530 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,359 At that point, proceedings took a bizarre twist, as it became apparent 531 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,439 that the alleged serial killer is suffering from significant memory loss. 532 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,359 Mr. Spector was remanded in custody 533 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,479 to undergo further medical and psychiatric assessment. 534 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239 Following the hearing, the public prosecution service 535 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,319 confirmed that Sally Ann Spector will appear in the Crown Court 536 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,559 on Monday the 2nd of July, 537 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,959 to face charges of perverting the course of justice. 538 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,399 The prosecution claims that Mr. Spector's wife 539 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,159 provided her husband with false alibis. 540 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,479 Gibson. 541 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,440 Superintendent Gibson? 542 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,719 Yes. 543 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,479 I'm August Larson. 544 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,080 I'm the consultant psychiatrist who has been asked to assess Paul Spector. 545 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,800 It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor. 546 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,840 Are you still working? 547 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,159 Yes. 548 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,000 Well, there you are. 549 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,639 Before he's moved here, I need to determine the risk of violence 550 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,920 towards himself and others... and plan his management. 551 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,120 Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with? 552 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,560 Uh, I received that information from the court, yes. 553 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,079 In my experience, a history of previous violence 554 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,039 is the best predictor for future violence for someone, 555 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,640 whether they are mentally disordered or not. 556 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,480 And Paul Spector... is a violent sexual sadist. 557 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600 Why are you so kind to me? 558 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,319 If I've done the things that... 559 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040 the police say I've done, then I'm a monster. 560 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,520 It's my job. 561 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,800 What? 562 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,999 It says in your notes that there were tears in your eyes 563 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,600 during your surgery. 564 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,120 That you were crying. 565 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,000 Was I? 566 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,360 Does that mean anything to you? 567 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,560 Perhaps. 568 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,680 I just... 569 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,440 can't believe the memory loss is real. 570 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,799 He's just the sort of person who would feign... 571 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,519 amnesia if he felt that there was something to be gained from it. 572 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,400 Even for the sheer delight of duping people... 573 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,919 particularly experts. 574 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,880 Someone like me, for example? 575 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,559 I'm just saying that from my conversations with him, 576 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,839 it seems to me that he exhibits, if anything, a... 577 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400 superior memory for his violence. 578 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,680 It's clear to me that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind over and over. 579 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759 They were heavily scripted. 580 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,359 And so the crimes themselves were memorable, 581 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,000 both in the way that they match the script and in the way that they differ. 582 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,519 So in... in my view, it's... 583 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,039 extremely unlikely that he has... 584 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,319 forgotten anything. 585 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,199 Faced with memory loss, there is only one way a clinician can go... 586 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,360 and that is to investigate. 587 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,319 If we take him here, then that is what I intend to do. 588 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,239 If you have the time, I'd really appreciate 589 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,360 getting a pre-morbid appraisal of Mr. Spector from you. 590 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,960 As someone who has had extensive dealings with him. 591 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,680 Anything at all you can tell me about him would be extremely useful. 592 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360 I'll help in any way I can. 593 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,559 Thank you. 594 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,000 Good night. 595 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,320 Good night. 596 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,400 Everything went dark. 597 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,160 And did time seem to speed up or slow down? 598 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,560 It sped up. 599 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,280 I was rushing through a tunnel. 600 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,160 And did you see or feel surrounded by a... a brilliant light? 601 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040 - There was a light. - Can you describe it? 602 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,479 Um... incredibly bright. 603 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,280 - Blinding. - And hot? 604 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,920 No, not hot. 605 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,240 Did you come to a border or a point of no return? 606 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,039 There was a point. Um... 607 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,840 I felt I could have gone on. 608 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,199 But there were... voices calling me back. 609 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,400 What voices? 610 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,559 My daughter. 611 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,920 Olivia. 612 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,839 And was there anyone else there known to you... 613 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,560 living or dead? 614 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,519 Yes. 615 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,680 Who? 616 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,240 I think my mother. 617 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,880 And what happened? 618 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960 How did you feel in her presence? 619 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,640 Afraid. 620 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,120 Did she speak to you? 621 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,399 She was calling me. 622 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520 I think she wanted me to... come to her. 623 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,240 Towards the light. 624 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,000 But there's other voices. 625 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,120 My daughter, calling me back. 626 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,599 Did you want to come back to your body? 627 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,400 Come back to life? 628 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,040 No. 629 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920 But I couldn't just abandon her. 630 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,920 Is that when you cried? 631 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,520 Hey. 632 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,240 Drink it all up. 633 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,520 Good girl. 634 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,400 You came close to dying. 635 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,599 What do you now understand death to be? 636 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,000 What does death mean to you now? 637 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,320 I know that life... is our only true possession. 638 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,040 And death? 639 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,880 I've found a murder that looks promising. 640 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,599 Really? The right initials? 641 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,279 That's not the connection. 642 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,440 A law student. Susan Harper. 643 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,280 Do you think she looks right? 644 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,719 Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger. 645 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:47,079 Twenty-one. 646 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,999 The only problem is there is someone doing time for it. 647 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,279 It's an individual called David Alvarez. 648 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,199 I... I remembered I saw his name yesterday 649 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,839 on the list of children who were in Gortnacul at the same time as Spector. 650 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,479 So I've done some digging. 651 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,879 And they are one and the same. 652 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,399 The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder 653 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,680 is the same David Alvarez who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home. 654 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,160 Why was Alvarez convicted? 655 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,599 His DNA on her body. 656 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,599 A subsequent confession. 657 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680 That's pretty conclusive. 658 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,920 What year is this? 659 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160 August 2002. 660 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:26,720 In London. 661 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,880 Now, there's a gap in Spector's timeline there. 662 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,800 We don't know where he was... 663 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,080 or what he was doing. 664 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,120 No, we don't. 665 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,640 I'll see you in the morning. Try and get some sleep. 666 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,360 I'll pray for you. 51131

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