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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,080 There is a debate raging across Wall 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Street about what's happening right now. 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,680 What's really happening right now in 4 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,120 private credit and what it might mean 5 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,280 moving forward. We've gotten past that 6 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,040 initial stage, the initial shock, 7 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:13,440 thericolor, the first brands, the hedge 8 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,280 fund redemptions, the cockroaches, and 9 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,640 the garbage lending. Okay, so now what? 10 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Well, to begin with, we can look at what 11 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,800 banks are doing, but we're also still 12 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,560 getting a number of warnings coming in 13 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,800 from a lot of big names across the 14 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,519 entire sector. Right at the center of 15 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:31,760 the storm is ratings agencies. Again, 16 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,120 not unlike 2008. Bond giant PIMCO's 17 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,800 chief investment officer was the latest 18 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,040 to warn about garbage lending and the 19 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,399 high ratings that have been attached to 20 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,399 it by questionable practices. And this 21 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:43,840 comes from a firm which expects the 22 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,000 economy to pick up next year, too. 23 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,640 Though the CIO also added, quote, "If 24 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,320 you get into a period of economic 25 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,960 softness, losses will go up and there'll 26 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,840 likely be some disappointment." It's 27 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,760 that quote disappointment that's the 28 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,079 issue here. Flat beverage plus shadow 29 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:01,760 banking equals the key ingredients for a 30 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,199 lot more than just dissatisfied 31 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:05,360 investors and big-time institutions. 32 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,119 Even Bloomberg's editorial board wrote 33 00:01:07,119 --> 00:01:09,520 on Friday that regulated banks have been 34 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,760 put on notice by these growing and more 35 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,560 visible cracks deep in the shadows. The 36 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,640 board adds it has all the similarities, 37 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,640 not just dubious ratings on opaque and 38 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,479 convoluted structures, but all the 39 00:01:20,479 --> 00:01:22,479 similarities to 2008 because of this 40 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:24,640 framework that no one really knows and 41 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,159 they don't know what the values are to 42 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,680 the point that even government is 43 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 stepping in by starting to ask questions 44 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,240 and demand more information. That's 45 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,479 really the issue here. And as I keep 46 00:01:34,479 --> 00:01:36,240 saying, the easy way to end this, to 47 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,159 answer everyone's question, is to simply 48 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:40,079 open the books. We don't need to see 49 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:42,560 every last trade and transaction, but a 50 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,479 thorough sampling and a legitimate 51 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:46,399 honest audit would be enough to put the 52 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:48,079 to put to rest all the doubts that 53 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:50,000 continue to swirl. And the reason they 54 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,439 continue to swirl is we know there are 55 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:54,320 legit reasons for all of these doubts. 56 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,159 And the unwillingness and probably the 57 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,399 inability of private credit providers to 58 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:01,680 answer all these questions is really an 59 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,520 answer unto itself. The one thing that 60 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,799 we're missing, the one thing that we 61 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:06,159 need everyone to provide is the one 62 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,319 thing that they don't have. That's 63 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:10,720 information. And information, 64 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,239 valuations, 65 00:02:12,239 --> 00:02:15,280 and the opacity of the system is a bad 66 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,840 mix when it goes to the downside of the 67 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,599 credit cycle when flat beverage starts 68 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:22,319 to emerge and makes more than just the 69 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:24,879 real economy uncomfortable. 70 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:26,480 We do have some information we can pull 71 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,840 out. So, we'll go over that on top of 72 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,840 the continued debate and warnings about 73 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,000 these credit market shadows. But keep in 74 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,920 mind, back during the last credit 75 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,239 bubble, you had bad mortgages given to 76 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:37,599 struggling households that were buried 77 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,280 into offbalance sheet debt arrangements 78 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,959 that were funded by wholesale markets 79 00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:44,080 like repo. This time around, they're 80 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,480 questionable loans to zombie companies 81 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,480 primarily, plus securized credit cards 82 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,120 and auto lending in the same complicated 83 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,480 arrangements, a lot of which is funded 84 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,599 in wholesale markets like repo. 85 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,840 Similarities are easy to spot here. So 86 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,840 already not starting out in the best 87 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,080 way. and figure out all this stuff is 88 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,319 really worth isn't so easy even in the 89 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:06,319 best of times. These are not liquid 90 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:08,480 markets for all these kinds of debts. 91 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Nor do we have an answer for the true 92 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,480 state of private credit portfolios. That 93 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,720 last one, that's a big stumbling block 94 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,560 right now. All we really have are the 95 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,400 reassurances from shadow bankers 96 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,239 themselves that they're of course their 97 00:03:20,239 --> 00:03:22,480 portfolios are stout, they're solid, 98 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,360 they are fundamentally sound. What else 99 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,959 are they going to say? So again, we're 100 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,720 stuck at square one. I mean, after all, 101 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,319 even the top central bankers at the Bank 102 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,400 of England smelled the rat on that one. 103 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,480 When bureaucrats like Andrew Bailey know 104 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,400 the the assurances from private credit 105 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,480 providers are worthless, you really know 106 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,319 what we're dealing with here. So, our 107 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:41,920 first problem is that shadow banks, 108 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,599 whatever term you want to use here, 109 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,599 non-depository financial institutions, 110 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:47,840 the technical term, they're not required 111 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,920 to disclose a whole lot. That's the key 112 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,239 part in the latter term. They are not 113 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:54,480 depositories. Since they aren't legally 114 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,080 banks, they don't fall under the banking 115 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,080 rules and regulations, including what 116 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,400 they're supposed to disclose. Thus, the 117 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,040 terms that private and shadow banks very 118 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,439 much apply. Without any depositors, 119 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:06,799 their investors are qualified 120 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:08,480 individuals, either hedge fund investors 121 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,640 or big institutions, including regulated 122 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,239 banks who supply the leverage in these 123 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:14,879 wholesale markets and other direct to uh 124 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,120 the shadow bank lending. So, absent 125 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,799 disclosure requirements and mandated 126 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:20,720 transparency, all we really have is 127 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,320 shadow bankers continued public 128 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,160 confidence as far as the status of their 129 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,160 credit portfolio. Sure, there are some 130 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,000 published numbers about default rates 131 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 and troubled loan estimates, but no one 132 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,520 buys them, and we know for a fact 133 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,360 they're understated by more questionable 134 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,360 tactics and policies like things like 135 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,840 selective defaults, which I mean, we've 136 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,680 talked about that before. But the first 137 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,600 problem here is we don't know who these 138 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,160 guys have really been lending to exactly 139 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,479 and by how much. And that leads us into 140 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:48,880 the second problem, which is how much is 141 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,840 all of that actually legitimately 142 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,600 honestly worth because you have to take 143 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,120 into account macroeconomics 144 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,680 considerations, financial variables, a 145 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,479 whole bunch of stuff to really come to a 146 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:02,960 a more solid conclusion about what are 147 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,479 these credit portfolios truly worth in 148 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:08,800 any real and meaningful sense. You know, 149 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:09,919 the stuff that we're talking about here 150 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:12,080 in this video, that's the reason why for 151 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,639 the first time, we're having a URL 152 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:16,960 university live event this coming 153 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,160 February 2026, President's Day weekend. 154 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,840 Not only we're going to talk about the, 155 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,840 you know, the signals in the URL system 156 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,160 and all across the marketplace and, you 157 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,680 know, try to navigate our way through 158 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,520 it, but also we're going to have 159 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,520 discussions about what can you do about 160 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,680 it? Things like distressed debt funds 161 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,160 and distress debt opportunities. So, if 162 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,600 you're a serious investor and this 163 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,960 sounds like something you want to be a 164 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,560 part of, there's a link in the 165 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,080 description of this video where you can 166 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,320 sign up to book a call and book your 167 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,120 spot for URAL University Live. Now, but 168 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,639 you got to be you got to hurry up here 169 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,479 because we put this out to Eurodal 170 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:52,000 University members and subscribers and 171 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,440 the response so far has been 172 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,520 overwhelming and we only have a limited 173 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,000 number of spots available. So, like I 174 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,600 said, if you're interested in coming 175 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,360 joining us, joining me and a bunch of 176 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,120 other people, experts and like-minded 177 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,680 individuals, serious investors, February 178 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,479 2026, President's Day weekend, book your 179 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:10,080 call at the link in the description. I 180 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,000 do hope to see you there. It's going to 181 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,680 be a lot of fun, a lot of stuff going 182 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,319 on. Plus, we've got a lot of talk, a lot 183 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:17,759 to talk about. Like I said, link in the 184 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,160 description to book your call. Now, it 185 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,680 might sound strange we're talking about 186 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,759 loans, but valuations are a huge 187 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:25,680 headache anyway, even when they're 188 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,120 actually transparent. If you remember 189 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,600 back during the 2008 crisis, new bank 190 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,440 regulations forced regulated banks to 191 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,199 put out more disclosures on exactly what 192 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,280 we're talking about right here. If you 193 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:36,560 remember, there were things called level 194 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,800 one assets, which had clearer market 195 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,319 inputs, which meant banks had to put 196 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,840 down what the market said for that 197 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:43,919 category of assets, including the values 198 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:45,600 of those securized structures and the 199 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,600 tranches of them, even that they still 200 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,680 had interests in. And that became a huge 201 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:50,880 problem in its own right when the 202 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,319 markets themselves grew illquid. 203 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:53,919 Therefore, it led to the whole 204 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:56,000 marktomarket problem. But beyond level 205 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,840 one, there's these level twos and level 206 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,919 three assets which the government rules 207 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:01,840 said banks could use their own models to 208 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,000 come up with values. But where level 209 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,240 three, it meant all sorts of just 210 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,560 blackbox calculations. It got to the 211 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,840 point where any bank that had a lot of 212 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,440 level three assets found itself in 213 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,840 trouble because no one had any faith in 214 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,759 those blackbox calculations and the 215 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,840 valuations that they spit out. That's 216 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,599 the risk that we're kind of facing here. 217 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:21,360 Not that private credit is that far down 218 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 the rabbit hole of a potential crisis, 219 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,680 just the same sort of difficulties with 220 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,599 the added downside of no regulatory 221 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:29,599 requirements whatsoever. It's almost as 222 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:31,520 if the private credit space is itself 223 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,759 level three. And we're supposed to just 224 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:35,759 trust all the internal blackbox model 225 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:37,520 values that private credit providers 226 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,759 come up with with all of these complex 227 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:41,520 models that we have no idea what goes 228 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,479 into them. And up until September, the 229 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:46,560 entire industry and all these investors 230 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,560 were perfectly fine with that. Everyone 231 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,880 said, "Who cares? Economy is great. JP 232 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,280 Paul solid labor market. Therefore, no 233 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,960 reason to suspect the numbers are 234 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,560 anything but what the shadow bankers say 235 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 they are." And this is where the flat 236 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,800 beverage really changes everything. And 237 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,240 that's where the Bloomberg editorial 238 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,759 board warning, that's where it really 239 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:06,240 picks up. Private credit exposures are 240 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,080 opaque and increasingly convoluted. I 241 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:08,879 don't know if they're increasingly 242 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:10,560 convoluted. have always been convoluted 243 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,639 with funds making loans backed by a wide 244 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:14,879 range of esoteric collateral even 245 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:16,960 repackaging fund stakes into assets 246 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,120 which we saw before in the last crisis. 247 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,120 A lack of public trading leads to loan 248 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,120 volumes that are subjective and 249 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 disputed. It can also lead to shocking 250 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,120 meltdowns as we talked about this before 251 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,039 too. Within weeks, Black Rockck revise 252 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:31,280 one loan's value to zero from a hundred 253 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,440 cents on the dollar. Those features 254 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,159 create an extra risk if things go wrong. 255 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:37,839 US banks with the most exposure to 256 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:39,760 non-bank financial institutions or 257 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:40,959 shadow banks or private credit 258 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:42,000 providers, whatever you want to call 259 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 them, are also those most dependent on 260 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,160 markets for their funding, according to 261 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,240 the International Monetary Fund. One 262 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,440 lesson of 2008, if investors aren't sure 263 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000 how exposed a bank might be to losses, 264 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,320 best not to wait around to find out. 265 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,519 That's a recipe for a financial crisis. 266 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:02,399 Information asymmetry. 267 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,720 So if or when markets and investors 268 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,959 really begin to doubt both the models 269 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:09,040 and the private credit providers 270 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,040 reassurances, that's when you got the 271 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,480 problems. And we we've already seen 272 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,000 questionable practices and the 273 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,320 coaches that have come up so far, which 274 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,720 is only added to the mistrust that much 275 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,320 more. In other words, if there are more 276 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,839 troubled loans in these portfolios than 277 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:23,760 we're already led to believe, that would 278 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,959 have a huge impact on valuing them. How 279 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:29,360 much losses should investors expect? 280 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,959 Shadow bankers would tell us one thing 281 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:33,760 when in reality it might be something 282 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,000 very different. And in those frauds that 283 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,600 have come out, what what became clear in 284 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,360 all of them was no one did their 285 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,360 homework. Investors and funding 286 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,360 suppliers just took everything on faith. 287 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Whether it was whether the collateral 288 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,880 was even there. Due diligence had 289 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,640 clearly fallen by the wayside. And 290 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,720 that's not a good sign that's going to 291 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,720 add more trust back to the system. And 292 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,240 that brings up the issue with ratings 293 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,440 agencies, which I've talked about 294 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,240 before, too. These firms and their seals 295 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,920 of approval exist for a couple of 296 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,760 reasons, including being able to sell 297 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,680 these debt structures to certain classes 298 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,080 of buyers, but they also exist to 299 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,320 essentially farm out that due diligence. 300 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,080 Those shadow banks who don't need to or 301 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,279 don't feel they need to do their own 302 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,600 homework will hire a ratings agency and 303 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,160 simply let them sample a portfolio of 304 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,240 questionable quality and put a rating on 305 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,079 the whole shebang. This is what this is 306 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,000 what PIMCO CIO was warning about that I 307 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,680 was talking about in the introduction at 308 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,920 the beginning of this video. quote, "It 309 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,760 is very, very dangerous to assume 310 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,440 something has an investment grade rating 311 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,600 just because the ratings agencies assign 312 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,839 a rating to it. There's been so much 313 00:10:33,839 --> 00:10:35,600 growth in lending to lower quality 314 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,600 companies that's Gunlack's garbage." And 315 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,440 again, the last major cycle was lending 316 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,279 to lower quality households. And I said 317 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,440 at the beginning, this cycle has been 318 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,760 largely about zombie zombie companies 319 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,000 and corporate credit, but also to a lot 320 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,839 of households, just not not with 321 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:51,440 mortgage collateral. It's not mortgage 322 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,839 loans and housing collateral. Now it's 323 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:55,760 consumer loans and zombie corporate 324 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,160 loans and more those types of junk debt. 325 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,399 And Pimco's CIO then went on to add, 326 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:02,240 PIMCO expects the US economy to 327 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,720 strengthen in early 2026 thanks to AI 328 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,560 related capital investment and the 329 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,399 impact of the Trump administration's one 330 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,000 big beautiful bill. And we need to 331 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,240 realize here there has almost never been 332 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,000 a time when Pinko didn't think the 333 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,839 economy was strengthening going all the 334 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:17,600 way back to the days when Bill Gross's 335 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,519 public comments were haunting the firm. 336 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,240 But back to he warned that credit losses 337 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,240 could mount if growth weakens. Quote, 338 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,640 "If you get into a period of economic 339 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,440 softness, losses will go up and there'll 340 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,480 likely be some disappointment. And it 341 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,640 all really could be a possibly brutal 342 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,160 combination. You got questionable 343 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,480 ratings from tainted agencies worse than 344 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,839 economic soft. We're really talking 345 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:41,920 about flat beverage here. Plus, as the 346 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,240 Bloomberg board said, throw in worries 347 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,839 about valuations given the lack of 348 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:47,040 information, and you put all these 349 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,959 things together, and you really do have 350 00:11:48,959 --> 00:11:51,200 the basic ingredients for a financial 351 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,079 crisis, and maybe more if it spills over 352 00:11:54,079 --> 00:11:57,040 beyond into liquidity and shadow money. 353 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Again, to that last point, valuations, 354 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,160 private credit providers are doing 355 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,399 themselves no favors. This has already 356 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:06,880 come up in a different context. Though 357 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,240 you can see how it easily easily applies 358 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,440 to this environment where mistrust is 359 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,440 still really starting to spark and to 360 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,120 grow and we're starting to see the smoke 361 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,279 come up from it. Go back to Bloomberg 362 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,360 here. Stark divergences and how 363 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,440 competing firms value private assets in 364 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,519 their portfolios are drawing increasing 365 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:27,279 attention from market participants, 366 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:30,399 academics, and now the Department of 367 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:32,480 Justice. According to Jay Clayton, who's 368 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,399 the head of its Manhattan outpost, 369 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:36,480 quote, "There are definitely some areas 370 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,639 of concern for me in private markets. 371 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,560 People should know that the financial 372 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,240 regulators in the department are looking 373 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,720 at those, but the rush to offer credit 374 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,639 has started to show cracks this year 375 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:49,040 amid mounting competition, not really, 376 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,680 alleged frauds by borrowers and a 377 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,279 growing body of evidence fueling 378 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,279 concerns that funds use varying methods 379 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:57,360 to assign values to the assets that they 380 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,800 hold and that these things are not 381 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,040 always dependable." One recent academic 382 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,959 paper referred to the apparent 383 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:06,160 subjectivity of the numbers as mark to 384 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,480 myth. Clayton says what he won't stand 385 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,639 for is money managers cherrypicking 386 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:13,120 prices that let them reap higher fees at 387 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,880 the expense of their clients. And 388 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,120 understand the parallels here. Yes, they 389 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,800 might, you know, cherrypick prices to 390 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,240 get higher fees, you know, make the 391 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,760 portfolios look bigger than they really 392 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,360 are, but that works in the other 393 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,279 direction, too. If they're cherrypicking 394 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:29,360 prices to hide losses and the public sus 395 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,760 suspects that's the case, it's only 396 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,040 going to fuel further mistrust. And one 397 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,800 of these tactics is just shuffling 398 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 assets back and forth between related 399 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,200 funds. Back to the article here, an 400 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,040 industry body representing fund clients 401 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,560 has called the transactions, this 402 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,399 shuffling back and forth, quote, 403 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:48,720 inherently conflicted and pushed for 404 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,120 clear guidelines in such deals. That 405 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,480 hasn't slowed down a boom in 406 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,079 continuation vehicles and they've 407 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:56,000 increasingly appeared in private credit 408 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,800 as well, but such asset shuffles may be 409 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,519 ripe for abuse. Clayton said an area to 410 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,160 watch for is marks on assets with no 411 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,760 trading when things are moved around 412 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,480 from vehicle to vehicle. If someone is 413 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,880 moving a position from fund A to fund B 414 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,399 and you can just name a price 415 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:15,120 internally, an opportunity to pick a 416 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,639 price that benefits the house over 417 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,279 investors is pretty high. And so again, 418 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,199 while that's a problem for valuations 419 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:23,440 and maybe puffing up the value of the 420 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,040 fund to raise higher fees or to create 421 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,760 higher fees, in this context of 422 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,120 questionable assets, talking about 423 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,120 losses, what these what these illlquid 424 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,800 structures might be worth, the 425 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,480 temptation might be there with this 426 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,800 tactic already in widespread use and 427 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,800 maybe even widespread abuse. 428 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,720 So again, we're seeing more ghosts of 429 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,639 2008. Now, I'm not saying there's a 430 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:47,199 repeat of that crisis. Just human nature 431 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:49,360 is human nature. There's a significant 432 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,279 case to be made for concern because 433 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,199 while private credit isn't as massive as 434 00:14:53,199 --> 00:14:55,199 the leadup to the last crisis was, it is 435 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:56,880 still significant. It's significant 436 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,880 enough to create havoc and cause lasting 437 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,639 damage in money, finance, and most of 438 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:04,079 all most of all once again the real 439 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:06,320 economy. These kinds of obviously 440 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,320 questionable valuation practices aren't 441 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,480 doing the industry any favors, 442 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,920 especially right now. So you get the 443 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,760 sense that everything Wall Street comes 444 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,399 up with from blackbox models to trading 445 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,800 tactics to ratings assigned by agencies 446 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,199 that Wall Street itself pays for, the 447 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:24,639 real purpose of all of it isn't to 448 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,839 provide information. It's to not provide 449 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:28,959 information. It's to create the 450 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:31,199 impression of reassurance in lie of 451 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:33,440 anything useful. Don't worry, we've got 452 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,800 it all covered. And look at all this 453 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,639 this this stuff that we have to show 454 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:39,680 you. But when you scratch the surface, 455 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,519 you don't need to go too far to begin 456 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,839 doubting whether all that's really true. 457 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,600 So what we're looking for, what we're 458 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,160 doing here is when all of these things, 459 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,000 valuation problems, the investing 460 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,079 public's view on potential for losses, 461 00:15:52,079 --> 00:15:54,160 the lack of forthright information, when 462 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,040 all of that might combine to create a 463 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,759 small backlash that could then lead to a 464 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,519 self-reinforcing cycle where it's no 465 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:02,959 longer really about values and credit 466 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:05,440 portfolios. it gets to be about a lot 467 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,759 bigger things like markets and 468 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,160 industries. So that's why we're watching 469 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,720 all of these various factors and 470 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,880 developments, cockroaches and garbage 471 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,040 lending and all these warnings from 472 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,759 across the credit market space itself, 473 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,120 not from private credit providers. 474 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,240 They're still saying, "Hey, everything's 475 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,480 fine, fundamentally sound." And then you 476 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,320 put all of that together in the 477 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,040 macroeconomic context as PIMCO CIO 478 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,680 himself admitted, you get to some 479 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,240 economic softening and suddenly the 480 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,360 entire profile for the whole thing 481 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,880 shifts. Well, that's what's been going 482 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,800 on over the last couple months. The 483 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,880 marketplace, the overall marketplace, 484 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,720 public com, all of it, hedge fund 485 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,519 investors, they can sense that shift and 486 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:50,160 people are getting quite a little antsy 487 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,399 about it. So, one indirect clue that we 488 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,639 can turn to is the regulated banking 489 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,399 sector because banks are maybe one step 490 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,560 removed from shadow banks. And while we 491 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,000 shouldn't trust that they've done their 492 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,160 due diligence either, as we've seen in 493 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,120 these frauds, banks do have leverage, 494 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,199 pun intended, to get more information 495 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:09,360 than certainly we can. And going by the 496 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,039 Federal Reserve's H8 statistics on 497 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:13,199 regulated bank holdings, what we see is 498 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,280 they have yet to pull back pull back 499 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,720 completely from lending to non 500 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,039 non-depository financial institutions. 501 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,120 Loans to shadow banking continue to 502 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,760 grow, though the rate has slowed down a 503 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,679 little bit more recently. This suggests 504 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:27,439 that bankers are at the very least 505 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,120 rethinking some of their shadow banking 506 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:31,600 exposures and future exposures, though 507 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,440 they aren't ready yet to simply pull up 508 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,919 stakes and exit the space entirely. So 509 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:38,000 maybe that's an early stage down cycle 510 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 signal. Though if you're an optimist on 511 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,400 the space or the economy overall, you 512 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 could argue, and many do right now, 513 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,080 there isn't really enough here to be 514 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,559 worried about. So maybe this is just a 515 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,559 whole bunch of one-offs and a few a few 516 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:53,280 bad cases, but no widespread proof that 517 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,880 private credit is heading for some kind 518 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,039 of major reckoning and then major damage 519 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:00,320 beyond it. But then you balance that 520 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,400 optimistic take out against really the 521 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,720 real economy, but also Jaime Diamonds 522 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,960 cockroaches, gunlacks garbage, PIMCO's 523 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,799 hit on ratings, and even the Bloomberg 524 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:10,400 editorial board's caution over 525 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,799 valuations of lack of information. And 526 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:14,400 there really does seem to be quite a bit 527 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,919 of smoke billowing up from the shadow 528 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:18,640 banking world, even if it's not yet at 529 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,799 an overwhelming amount. So that might 530 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:22,799 be, as I said, that this is all just 531 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,280 early. For most people, cockroaches and 532 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,960 collateral fraud just showed up a couple 533 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,799 of months ago. And we have to keep in 534 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,640 mind, credit cycles are processes just 535 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,720 like economic cycles. And that's another 536 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,960 thing. Flat beverage isn't all that flat 537 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,720 just yet, as we've been pointing out all 538 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,520 summer. make it flatter like the PIMCO 539 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,679 guy was saying and then suddenly we re 540 00:18:41,679 --> 00:18:43,520 then we really see pressure we really 541 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,679 see demands on private credit then the 542 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:47,600 crisis ingredients really start to get 543 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,400 mixed up in the bowl so you see what I 544 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,960 mean here there is enough smoke here 545 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,480 it's not an overwhelming amount it 546 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,240 doesn't say hey this is thing is falling 547 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,720 apart this this is crashing right now 548 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,799 but there are enough problems and there 549 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:02,640 are enough ingredients for future 550 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,039 problems that we do need to be careful 551 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:06,799 we do need to scrutinize what's taking 552 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:08,799 place and we need to keep a very 553 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,440 cautious eye on all of these various 554 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,760 pieces as they might get closer and 555 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,799 closer together to combining. I mean, 556 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:18,640 we've got the cockroaches so far and 557 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,880 most of the common thread in each one is 558 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,880 about the lack of care and information. 559 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,240 It's not really about the collateral so 560 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,320 much as been about everything bad that 561 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,400 you would have expected at the end stage 562 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,039 of a credit cycle. And then all of those 563 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:32,799 habits compound the problem given the 564 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:35,039 shadow part of shadow credit. There are 565 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:36,799 genuine reasons to be asking hard 566 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,039 questions and up until recently no one 567 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,120 had any interest in raising again. 568 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,600 Diamonds cockroaches gunlets garbage 569 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,919 pimco on ratings Bloomberg editorial 570 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,240 board valuations and information. Even 571 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,760 the government is throwing up red flags 572 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,320 on valuations. If all this smoke really 573 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,720 is from a credit cycle downturn fire, 574 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,880 the reason it isn't massively billing up 575 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 is only because, as I said, it's still 576 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,360 early in the process. Flat beverage 577 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,120 isn't even all that flat. Just like at 578 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,160 ADP for example, job losses are there 579 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,679 and they've been there for months, but 580 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:10,480 they aren't huge numbers right now. What 581 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,400 happens to all this credit if they do 582 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,559 start to get big? That's really the 583 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,559 smoke. Employment problems don't just 584 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:18,559 mean higher potential losses in consumer 585 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,880 credit. As ADP also said in its negative 586 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,280 November numbers, those job cuts were 587 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,120 coming from small employers. In other 588 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,480 words, in a truly flat beverage economy, 589 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,120 both workers and employers struggle 590 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,919 badly to stay afloat. And if private 591 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:37,919 credit providers don't want to provide 592 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,159 information that the market really badly 593 00:20:40,159 --> 00:20:42,799 needs under these circumstances, the 594 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:44,559 public, the investment public, the 595 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:49,200 markets will make up their own minds. 596 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,200 One key out of the way signal to that 597 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 end from the consumer side of things, 598 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Americans can't afford car insurance. 599 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,880 They've gone without and they've traded 600 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,280 down. I went over the details in the 601 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,440 video link below. As always, thank you 602 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,799 very much for joining me. Join me for 603 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,559 URL University live. There's a link in 604 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:05,679 the description if you want to book your 605 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:07,600 call about that. Huge thanks to Eur 606 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,960 University members and subscribers. And 607 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,200 until next time, take care.44167

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