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Jeff?
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reaches people on such a deep level. I
think because he is like the essential
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artist. It's raw, it's real, and his
voice is like an instrument in itself.
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a poet for the ages, and it's a love
story that just continues on and on.
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I've actually done my best to really not
think about this for 30 years, let
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alone talk out loud about it.
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Society has a weird view towards women
in these relationships.
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There's so much misogyny. You're sort of
pigeonholed into this girlfriend or ex
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-girlfriend or these roles, and you're
supposed to sort of be cut as a pathetic
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figure.
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I've gone as far from being an artist in
New York City as one can imagine, and I
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think that is a lot because of his
death.
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He heard the whole of his person in the
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music.
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Writing his second record was so
daunting.
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It was a huge step forward for him.
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But I haven't been able to listen.
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That might sound crazy, but I can't.
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I certainly was a flawed parent.
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But he sure got me, you know, and he
thought exactly where I came from and
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understood why I made the choices I made
in my life.
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No one has ever loved me more or better
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than he.
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Every human being has music that only
they can make.
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And it's my deepest form of
communication with people.
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It'll always keep on changing.
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It'll always defy anything that tries to
put people in a box.
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This is our last goodbye.
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There are things I want to
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do that I've never heard of.
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It's my life.
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I just love when men use their voice so
unselfconsciously. I mean, he was
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literally the best singer I've ever
heard.
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And he was so amazed by what female
singers could do.
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Feminine masculine, he was and is my
favorite.
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When you really dig into the lyrics,
it's so sacred.
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Him recognizing his own.
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I guess you could call it mortality.
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I want to be songwriter Jeff.
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Jeff Buckley, songwriter.
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He had a way of playing the most
beautiful song you've ever heard.
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He could have literally been doing
anything musically that he wanted to do.
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First time I heard Jeff sing.
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Oh, he was in the bassinet.
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One time I came in and I could hear him.
He was vocalizing
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to the radio.
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The day I heard Ain't No Mountain High
Enough.
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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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I thought, ooh, yeah.
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He's a singer.
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Music charged my life.
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A good childhood?
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Uh, it was a childhood.
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My mom's first generation, Panamanian
immigrant, very good girl, brought up
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voodoo Catholic values, you know,
brought over to Anaheim, you know, that
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hellhole in Southern California where
Disneyland is.
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My parents had high
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hopes for me.
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You know, immigrant parents with their
eldest child.
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I wanted to be an actress and sing and
dance and play the piano, but I had
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soiled the family name and dishonored
them having premarital sex.
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I met Timothy in French class.
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He would do things like pull one hair on
my, right? And I would turn around and
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he would be looking up.
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We were two kids from abusive, crazy
homes, and we just knew the world better
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than anybody else.
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17 at the time, I was already a teenage
pregnant mom.
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My parents thought maybe I should give
the baby up for adoption, but there was
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no choice for me but to go through with
the pregnancy.
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I knew from the fifth month that I was
never going to see Tim again.
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First of all, he was with somebody else.
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Plus, he was determined to be a singer
-songwriter.
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This child was on me.
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He split before I was born.
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You know, you decided not to be a father
to me.
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You don't serve your country, man. You
serve life. You serve people.
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TV from the very beginning and also
public schools have been the great
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lobotomizer.
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Everything in the outer world is not the
world. Cars, how much perfume you wear.
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The world is what's inside and what cats
pull out of themselves all through
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time. I said to him, you gotta go pursue
your dreams. You go.
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But...
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My dreams of being an actress or being a
concert pianist, that was all gone.
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Jeff and I sort of raised each other.
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Well, his father wasn't there, but this
woman loved him with all her heart and
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didn't hesitate.
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to make him feel loved at every chance
he had.
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He would come and put his little hands
on my face and say, we're going to be
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okay, Mommy, right?
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And I'd go, yes, we are, honey, we're
just fine.
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He had to take care of her.
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And he was feeling like she had been
hurt and feeling horrible about
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that.
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Perhaps it is the color of the sun
caught flat and covering
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the crossroads I'm standing at.
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Jeff was like having a grandfather
watching over me and telling me who was
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to date and who wasn't. Mama, you've
been on my mind.
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When I was a kid, I always felt really
proud if I could roll a joint for all
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grown -ups at the party.
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I never did it, but I always, I want to
do it, let me do it.
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I now remember the day that my mom
called me over to the reclining chair
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tried to explain to me that if I told
anybody that they did this stuff, they
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would go to jail.
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When Jeff was little, before I even
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made coffee, music would go on.
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Constant, constant, constant, constant.
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Judy Garland, the man that got away.
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I love that song.
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And it was very important to him.
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Music, always.
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My stepfather, Ronald, who was a car
mechanic.
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He was the one that introduced me to Led
Zeppelin.
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And that changed my whole life.
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Ron would turn the stereo on loud enough
to hold blocks in here.
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And there would be little Jeff laying on
top of the speakers with his little
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body vibrating to the music.
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Music, it was my mother.
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It was my father.
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It's the best thing in my life.
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I see in the newspaper this quarter
-page ad.
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Tim Buckley made a name for himself as
one of pop music's genuine innovators.
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Over the course of nine albums, He
incorporated the prettiest of folk
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most extreme of freeform jazz, and the
raunchiest of rock and blues.
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I thought, wow, maybe this is an
opportunity for my son to get to know
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father.
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I looked at Jeff and said, hey, would
you like to go see your dad perform?
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Jeff was rocking to the music.
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Looking up at his dad.
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Tim had his eyes closed, but he had to
know he was there, had to be aware of
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presence.
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When he went back to the green room, I
looked down and said, you want to go see
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him now?
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I could feel Jeff clutching my skirt.
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You know, kind of hanging on, pressing
close and looking around.
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I couldn't see Tim at first, and then I
heard, Jeff!
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Hi, bud, how are you doing?
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Jeff sat on his lap, and he started
talking what his favorite color was, my
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dog's name is King, what grade he was
in.
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About ten minutes later, Tim said, we'd
like to take him home with us tonight.
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Yeah, you can take him home right now.
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But you better not fuck up.
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I stayed with him a week.
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He used to vacation.
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He had an adopted son. He had a new
wife.
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He had a whole other family.
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Four days later, I got a telephone call.
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Kim had to get back into the studio and
put Jeff on a bus in Santa Monica.
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It was so much fun.
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My dad has a lot of friends, and he gave
me this.
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He said, you saved that buddy.
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No calls were returned.
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That was two months before.
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I have a great deal of pain and anger,
but I have a great deal of love and
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compassion.
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For Tim.
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Some things that he did completely
embarrassed me to hell.
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But the things that were great hold up
against anything.
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Jeff wasn't even mentioned in any of the
obituaries.
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By the time I was in high school, I got
my first electric guitar.
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It was a black Memphis, black Paul
Coffey.
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Yeah, just fell in with the wrong crowd
and got a band together, of course.
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Thank you.
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15. Jeff was practicing algemiola every
night.
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That was a fixation I had up until the
time I was maybe 16. And I can play
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anything I hear.
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My high school boy called me faggot. And
your fucking new age girlfriend sent
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old geek on my fucking Ovation Viper
electric guitar case.
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Jeff had an ability to mimic the vocal
cadences and the inflections of people
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he was listening to.
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It's an exact album.
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Because, you know, a lot of people would
tune it down a step so they could hit
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the note. This is the exact, it's album
pitch.
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It's the same key.
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I used to want to be a guitar
aficionado.
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But the thing I was going to learn to do
best was songwriting.
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Music and words.
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I decided to make a woman of music and
give myself to her.
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And at another point I decided to make a
man of music and give myself to him.
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When you're a kid, people assume that
you have no mind of your own, which at a
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very early age I did.
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I put so many things onto music for me
so that I wouldn't shrink into a
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black universe.
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St. Anne's in Brooklyn wanted Jeff to
sing at a tribute to Tim.
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I said,
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no, I will never, ever perform that
music.
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I got my own music.
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I said, you know what, son?
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Give it some thought. There's going to
be some really amazing artists being
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lined up.
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So I said, okay, but I just want to come
on and sing and come off.
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This is not a springboard. This is
something really personal.
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And they told me, well, we don't know
how good he is, so we'll put him with
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other artists to fill in any gaps in his
talents.
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Dangerous situations appealed to me.
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There had been a bit of buzz that Tim
Buckley's son would be there.
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I figured it wasn't the worst thing that
happened.
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The luminaries of downtown were there.
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This could be exactly what I dreamed for
him.
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I didn't know who he was, and I'm
working, doing sound and lighting, but
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so nervous. He was so, like, his hair
was just in front of his face, and he
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seemed so awkward.
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Long time ago, when I was a little kid,
my mom sat on a bed, and she put this
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record on, and it had my father's voice.
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He had on his father's coat, and he
started to play with Dad's song about...
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leaving him as a child.
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And he was weeping.
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It did become Jeff's concert.
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I was like, this can't be real.
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He told me he walked away with no less
than 60 business cards in his pocket.
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My friend said he heard Tim Buckley's
haunted voice.
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It's not his voice.
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And it's not my voice, it's the voice
that's been passed down through every
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in the family.
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He came out and sat next to me and said,
what do you think?
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I was thinking, my opinion here does not
matter, but that was really stunning,
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like just so beautiful.
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He was asking if he could walk me to the
subway and get on the train with me.
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And took it all the way into Manhattan
and we're talking and talking. And we
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stayed on that train and we went all the
way up to the last stop.
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Besides reading and movies, what I
really like is night prowling. Finding
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the white places where the misfits go.
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You're making me laugh so much.
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Then we got in the downtown and we went
all the way to Coney Island and back.
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so interested in what I did. It's really
surprised me because I was doing
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experimental theater.
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It was really less about money and fame
and more about pushing the boundaries.
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Nobody I knew my own age was really
interested in any of that. But he was
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someone who drank up the world like a
sponge.
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You make me feel so young.
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Thank you.
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You make me feel like spring is coming.
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I was in a play with Rebecca.
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I was in high school, and Jeff just felt
very electric to me.
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Jeff had a real lust for life.
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The East Village at that time was such a
collection of every eccentric that did
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not fit in anywhere else.
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He saw so many people breaking down the
status quo.
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Artists were being banned.
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The NEA was being censored.
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New York was the place for this amazing
stuff, stuff I can't even describe to
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you.
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Sometimes he would just disappear, and
I'd get a call from a friend later
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Jeff showed up at my house today.
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Every moment was so spontaneous.
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He would make very elaborate.
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outgoing messages like old -time radio
shows.
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And now, the continuing adventures of
Spinach the Cat.
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His most famous being Spinach the Cat.
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And now your host, Preston Snubbery.
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Jeff didn't have a job, so he had a lot
of time on his hands. Jeff used to look
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specifically for Michael Bolton tapes so
he could put the piece of tape over the
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top and record over it.
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He would line up tape recorders because
there was no samplers. There was no
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digital computer, nothing.
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He basically created a little studio all
for the outgoing message.
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Pressing this sound effect for when the
crowd cheers.
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This sound effect when the cat meows.
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It was an hour long.
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And so people had to listen to this hour
long soap opera.
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He asked me, do you think this part is
too much?
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I thought the whole thing is too much.
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Join us next time for the continuing
adventures of Spinach the Jack.
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Girlfriend.
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I love you.
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I think Jeff had this desire to be liked
and loved and
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to connect with people.
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Jeff started calling me butterfly.
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I think he saw me at that point of
coming out of a cocoon.
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We were these two sensitive young souls
searching for where you fit in and feel
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empowered and loved and found each
other.
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But I called him the Scratchy Fish
because he was always not shaving,
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very bristly.
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And he started making these stories,
almost like children's stories.
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This is Scratchy Fishy, this is their
home, and this is Butterfly, and they're
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getting married.
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The story he wove about a butterfly and
a fish was that they could never be
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together.
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You could see in his eyes that he would
sometimes go to this place that I think
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was very inaccessible to anyone but
himself.
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He just would check out.
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I wanted to be a, you know, a chanteuse.
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I think I wanted to be Nina Simone.
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Although she would advise against it
strongly, I'm sure.
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Sometimes.
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I think I wanted to be.
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He was my Elvis.
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kid from Orange County covering Nusrat
Fatih Ali, Conor, Nina Simone.
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You just have to give it up. He must
have been working his ass off.
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There was a tiny little club in the East
Village called Sine.
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You could probably fit in maybe 30 or 40
people at the most, and it would be
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super, super crowded.
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And Jeff was washing dishes.
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He was serving people coffee, and then
every now and then, he would just get up
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and play.
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I'm a ridiculous person.
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And you're lucky you've paid no money to
see me.
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It was an Irish -run coffee shop.
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It's a great little place to see
somebody in the raw.
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This is a perfect place for music
lovers.
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It's not like playing at a rock club.
It's not like playing at a hall.
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It's a good place to get real. Turn it
up.
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It was so homey in here.
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It just smelled like espresso.
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TV in the middle of some, like, ballad,
and you just hear that.
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The Sinead community became a
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place of such encouragement for him.
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It really became a home where he could
experiment.
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It's a fabulous time for a Guinness.
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The brown liquor.
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The buttocks of steel tour, Jeff
Buckley.
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In the beginning, there were just a few
people.
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Then, all of a sudden, it was like
packed.
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It's like the seed finding song.
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Crowds, you know, spilling out into the
street.
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Everybody stop!
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He was really an entertainer there, as
much as a musician.
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By the way, all these songs are for the
lovers in the audience.
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We mostly did covers.
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And then he started introducing some of
the original material.
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Went from laughing to jaw -dropping, you
know.
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It's a song about a dream.
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That was the first time I ever saw Jeff
Buckley at Sinead.
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I
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mean,
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a pin could drop.
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I wasn't thinking about being a music
executive. I was just a fan.
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I
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was
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there
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with Columbia.
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I think we were all sort of stopped in
our tracks that night.
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The whole record company, Gauntlet,
started infesting my gigs.
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They were all there. People from
Elektra, Arista, Tony.
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It was a bit of a cotillion, but that's
the way it goes.
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We'd all heard so many nightmares about
large labels and lack of creative
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expression. But I think he went into it
feeling like he'd been reassured that he
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was going to get that.
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I knew that I was just sitting there
with bated breath waiting for the new
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Buckley to come up and pick up where his
father left off. I hated it. I couldn't
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stand it.
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Fucking bullshit.
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What do you think you inherited from
your father?
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People who remember my father.
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Next question.
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I went around and sampled record company
people to find where I fit in.
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Jeff had a little bit of fear about the
fact that he didn't have more original
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material. I wouldn't ever tell him what
to do, but I was like, go small.
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I went to Sony.
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Well, Columbia.
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When you walk in, the first thing you
see is Bob Dylan.
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On the wall, looking beautiful.
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A foot away is Miles.
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A foot away is Monk.
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Duke Ellington.
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Chambers Brothers.
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Mahalia.
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It was purely emotional. I was like, I
want to be here.
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Columbia has such a storied legacy of
Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan and Bruce
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Springsteen. What we all felt sitting in
that room was that he would one day be
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in that Pantheon.
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As a gentleman, you won't be able to
dictate anything to me. You're just
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to make something I've never heard
before.
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And the people that I settled with were
pretty fine with that idea.
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He was told that it was like one of the
biggest deals an unknown person had ever
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gotten.
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He brought home the contract. It was
like 40 pages long. I'd never seen
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like it.
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It should have been just joy, but I
think suddenly things changed.
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I would come home from work, and I'd
come up the six flights of stairs, and I
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would get to the door and put my key in
the door, and I'd hear him stop.
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Before the record contract, he would
sing and play for me all the time.
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I said to him, do you need a place to
work?
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The pressure to write songs and not be
interrupted was so intense.
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I'm going to write a hundred songs.
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In five weeks?
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That means 20 songs a week.
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He struggles with the lyrics.
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I'm a horrible critic.
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I'm my own worst critic.
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He was obsessed with Morrissey and
Dylan, so he had a very high standard.
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He didn't want to be known as the guy
who only does covers.
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My hope had been that we would work on
the relationship and live together, but
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he would find another space where he
could get this record contract
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That was naive to hope because he moved
out completely.
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People are like saying, look, I'll give
you all this money. Look, I'll be your
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manager. Look, I'll be your agent. Look,
I got this place I want you to go to,
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blah, blah, blah, blah.
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I just want to make something special,
not even care about anything else, money
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or prestige or a tour or nothing.
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Try it again.
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Coming up with a record's worth of
material with musicians and a producer
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engineers waiting and everybody's
dependent on you.
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You know, it's like tick -tock, start
making magic.
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Let's try it again.
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Come into my world.
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My journals are the lyrics for the
albums.
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Songs just come out of poems.
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And sometimes poems come out of dreams.
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There's a song called Grace.
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It's basically a death prayer.
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I always describe it as, you know, Not
fearing anything, anyone, any man, any
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woman, any war, any gun, any fling or
arrow aimed at your heart by other
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Because there is somebody finally who
loves you for real.
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You can achieve a real state of grace
through somebody else's love in you.
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Jeff would say, oh, we should bring
strings in on this song.
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We had this idea to write interesting
backgrounds that fit the voice, actual
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lines, you know, counter lines.
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Carl came from the jazz world.
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He was more appealing to Jeff than
somebody who does pop string
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Britney Spears would call, and I'd say,
no, that's you calling the wrong person.
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Jeff listened to Bill Evans.
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He listened to Shostakovich.
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Have you heard of any pop singers even
knowing who Shostakovich is?
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It was the same way that Led Zeppelin
used orchestrations. Any orchestra
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would have loved to have had their day
with Jeff to be able to just go to the
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moon.
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People who sing high lose power, and
Jeff actually gains power.
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His range was like four octaves.
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You think you're coming to a peak, and
then it goes one step further, and then
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it goes another step further.
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Grace is one of those songs that would
inspire me to pick up guitar and play,
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and then I'd start to kind of find
something that made me feel like that
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fail miserably at it. Put the guitar
back.
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Jeff said, I want you to shoot my album
cover.
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I had all the contact sheet, and Jeff
just went, boing.
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That's it. That's the cover.
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It's completely iconic.
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He already looks like he's Sinatra.
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The folks at the company didn't like the
glittery gold jacket.
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Yeah, that's a little too effeminate.
And just like, you gave me creative
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control. I choose that.
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seven originals, three covers.
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He made a record that no one else could
ever have come close to
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making as a first record. It's uncanny.
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Now it's like a legendary album.
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People know me better for that than for
my own music.
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putting it in the CD player in my car.
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And I was overwhelmed with the mastery
and
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the musicianship and the poetry and the
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vocal performances were beyond anything
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I had imagined.
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He was capable of.
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Boy, France, Australia, UK, huge.
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Grace was huge.
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It was a monster hit.
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U .S., moderate.
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As a child, I lived in Los Angeles.
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I mean, you see people getting signed,
dreams totally inflated falsely.
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I really admire artists allowed to fail,
allowed to be human, allowed to make
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the most glorious dances they could ever
imagine and totally fall and get back
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up because it's all human. But if you're
like this side of, you know, Danny
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Partridge, it's like totally impossible.
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It's the era of grunge.
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And Jeff was a real counterweight to
that. He was part of this downtown New
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scene.
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Back then, Jeff defied genres.
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Jeff tested boundaries.
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00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:32,530
Jeff challenged traditional male -female
roles.
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So his music was not easy to fit into
the dozen radio categories.
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And yet Jeff was also influenced by some
of the artists that came out in the
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late 80s and early 90s in Seattle.
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Soundgarden was playing in London.
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And I don't think I quite realized what
a huge Soundgarden fan Jeff was.
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Oh my goodness, this is where he could
be like a little...
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you know, annoying brother. Like, you
have to take me.
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I'm coming with you.
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He just magically showed up one day, and
it was on.
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It was a beautiful, beautiful friendship
between he and Chris.
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There was a sense of mischief with this
almost soulmate understanding.
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Chris Cornell does it really well. It's
like one of the few people I've met.
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make his life work, his ordinary life.
Because without ordinary life, there's
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art.
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How would you like your fans to think of
you?
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Just as, really, as a guy that's just
like a really good storyteller. Just
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somebody who does a job that they enjoy.
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Of course it was incredible that so many
people reacted to his music.
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00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,140
But the fame that went along with that
was not the fun part.
478
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,280
Even when he acted confident, it was
kind of an act. It was him channeling
479
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,220
bravely as a character, but I still
think that really insecure person was
480
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:31,320
there. Well, everybody's sensitive, but
sometimes men don't want to recognize
481
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,320
it.
482
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,400
I don't even want people to really think
of me as a face or a name or a body or
483
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,540
anything, just the music.
484
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,420
Because when I'm dead...
485
00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:41,830
That's the only thing that'll be
allowed.
486
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:53,630
How he was being examined under a
microscope was so intense.
487
00:45:54,070 --> 00:46:00,470
That quality he had to disappear in the
moment ultimately
488
00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:04,370
amounted to not showing up where I was.
489
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:11,150
One night, he didn't come home. And this
was Valentine's Day.
490
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:16,210
By 3 or 4 in the morning, I was calling
hospitals around New York City.
491
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:18,410
And then he just sponsored in.
492
00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:20,750
He had been out with friends.
493
00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:29,350
Maybe I'm too young to keep good love
going
494
00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:30,590
on.
495
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,170
But tonight... Hi, Rebecca.
496
00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:35,770
9 o 'clock.
497
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,620
I fucking couldn't get into your show
because I got there too close to 8 o
498
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:40,920
'clock and I'm so disappointed.
499
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,940
I really want to see you.
500
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Too young to hold on Too old to just
501
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:59,440
break free and run During his record
release party, I
502
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,540
had a backstage pass.
503
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:03,020
He'd handwritten my name on it.
504
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:09,220
His manager was at the door, and he
went, you can't go in now, sit over
505
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,740
Two hours went by.
506
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,220
I went to the door, and I turned the
handle, and I walked in, and it was a
507
00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:17,460
mostly empty room.
508
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,720
They said Jeff left like over an hour
ago.
509
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,940
He must have gone out a back door.
510
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:29,920
The next morning, he was so apologetic
and really upset.
511
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,800
I felt resigned.
512
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,980
I didn't want to be an appendage. I
didn't want to be in his world if he
513
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:40,280
really want me there.
514
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,960
The hard
515
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,180
part about letting go was, like, I hope
516
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:01,580
he will have good people.
517
00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:04,210
because he didn't have any self
protection.
518
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:07,240
Rebecca and him split just kind of
looked like a different person for a
519
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,980
There was a time when I was in New York,
and we spent some time together, and we
520
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:26,560
met at a bar, and this jazz band is
really loud, so it was impossible for us
521
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,560
talk.
522
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,160
We started...
523
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:32,020
writing each other messages.
524
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:40,080
For a lot of it, I think he was trying
to be seductive, but really not where
525
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,080
I wanted to go.
526
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:50,080
There was a very boundary -less kind of
liquid feeling to him.
527
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,980
He felt very desperate to self -medicate
with making this into a sexual
528
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:56,980
relationship.
529
00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:05,330
I remember getting kind of frustrated
and writing, you need love, not sex.
530
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:14,250
Generally, I love to rush in there and
try to fix the broken guy, but that
531
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:18,190
liquid, watery quality just felt very
tidal wavy.
532
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:23,310
He was very hard on himself.
533
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:30,230
Like, sometimes I got the sense that he
felt that there were, Good and evil
534
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:32,890
forces, you know, I play within him
535
00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:41,470
Music
536
00:50:41,470 --> 00:50:43,290
I don't know it'll save you
537
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,260
Matt Johnson on drums.
538
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:02,100
Bass player Mick Grundle.
539
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,040
I'm Mick Grundle. And I'm Jeff Buckley,
and you're watching 120 Minutes on MTV.
540
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,920
He asked me to join the band, too.
541
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,180
Sometimes I think Jeff wanted me in
because I was a connection to Rebecca
542
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:16,180
those memories.
543
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:20,080
I think it was clear that Michael didn't
know how to play the guitar.
544
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,280
All right, there were two stops.
545
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,440
There were two stops. But...
546
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:27,840
It was about personalities. It was about
people.
547
00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:32,660
I would have my amp really quiet. Jeff
would slowly turn it back up, you know,
548
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:33,660
and I'd get all tight.
549
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,100
He always told me not to be afraid of
the mistakes.
550
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,240
Don't use your brain the way you were
using it 30 seconds ago.
551
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,120
You know, in fact, don't use it at all.
552
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,460
Matt, in particular, was just so good at
following Jeff wherever Jeff was going.
553
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:53,020
That musical chemistry they had is very
hard to come by.
554
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,040
My name is Jeff Buckley. This is my
band, and this is our techie abode. On
555
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,540
outside, it looks like a huge black
phallus of death. So Velcro.
556
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,740
Clocks. He's like, okay, I want you.
557
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:04,900
Until I got sober.
558
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:10,580
Drugs and alcohol have been a big part
of my life, which we connected on
559
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:12,520
of, you know, his father's situation.
560
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:21,620
It's a huge cliche that, you know, bands
are like families.
561
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:22,980
but they are.
562
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,520
The infamous American Legion Hall
concert was the
563
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,180
first one that Jeff was in town since he
started the tour.
564
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:49,890
All of the relatives, the friends of the
relatives, the relatives of the friends
565
00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:52,210
of the relatives all wanted to go to the
concert.
566
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:56,290
We filled the last two rows.
567
00:52:57,370 --> 00:53:04,150
The Tasmanian devil of the pack showed
up and there was no beer
568
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:08,430
left. There was nothing left. Everything
was like wiped out before the show.
569
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:12,250
Let's just say that as soon as there was
an opportunity.
570
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:18,350
To become part of the inner circle of a
rock star was very attractive.
571
00:53:19,830 --> 00:53:23,590
The promoters came to me and said, we
have a situation.
572
00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:31,070
I go outside and I realize it's Jeff's
mother sitting in a car with one of
573
00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:33,870
her girlfriends just smoking pot.
574
00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:39,250
You know, hi, Jean, what's up? Hey,
well, Mary, listen, you got to, you
575
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:40,950
got to curtail this. You're going to get
arrested.
576
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,800
And I go back inside to tell Jeff that
the show is going to be canceled because
577
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,260
his mother is outside in the parking lot
smoking pot.
578
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080
Hey, you know this?
579
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:54,260
This is your big sexy son.
580
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,600
I think you should really not like set
yourself up like that when you like
581
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,080
fucking light up a tube, light up a
fucking joint.
582
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:07,500
What? We're in the parking lot. It's
like over there. It's California.
583
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,400
No, no, no, no, no.
584
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,380
We ended up in Iowa City and opening up
for us were the Dan Builders and the
585
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:28,820
Grifters. My booking agent said Tim
Buckley's son, Jeff, who had taken New
586
00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:32,020
by storm, was going to be on this tour
as the headliner.
587
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,420
Joan Wasser was one of the heavyweights
in the music world, being a tough -ass,
588
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:44,480
cool female coming up in the 90s through
the music scene.
589
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:53,780
Lots of power, lots of shiny, you know,
lots of shiny.
590
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:59,060
When I saw him, it was definitely a
vibe.
591
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:02,800
We were just sort of checking each other
out.
592
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:14,260
Jeff stood right in front of
593
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:16,920
me the entire show and watched me.
594
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,900
He was rocking a, like, I'm worshiping a
goddess vibe.
595
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:33,780
Not subtle.
596
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,160
Not subtle.
597
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:42,460
And then hearing him, the thing that I
thought of was, that's Nina Simone.
598
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:10,010
He sang the whole show to me.
599
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:11,930
It was like,
600
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:17,630
man, this guy really knows how to work
me right now.
601
00:56:19,570 --> 00:56:21,530
I was feeling like...
602
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,800
Oh, I got this, and then being like, oh,
I don't got this.
603
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:27,640
This person is too powerful.
604
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:37,250
jockey guys were, like, making fun of
me. I had this very cartoony type of
605
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:39,290
so I was pretty used to that.
606
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:44,950
But Jeff leapt up and said, you wouldn't
know a woman if she slapped you in the
607
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:51,090
face. I was like, oh, God, that's so
romantic. I love it. And, like, fuck
608
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:52,170
I don't need defending.
609
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:58,850
But I came to learn that he was someone
who was a really...
610
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,060
daunch defender of women.
611
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:09,420
All people are sensitive, but his
sensitivity wasn't crushed
612
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:14,540
like some men's sensitivity has been.
613
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:19,240
It stayed intact.
614
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,720
You're talking about two amazingly
talented people who immediately
615
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,040
First thing I thought of, oh my God,
they're going to become a band and it's
616
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,900
just going to rule.
617
00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:48,920
Jeff toured a lot. It was a slow growth
618
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,340
of that following.
619
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,520
We toured almost consistently for two
years.
620
00:58:57,580 --> 00:59:01,180
What's life been like since Grace came
out? Work, work, work, work, work, work.
621
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,580
I gotta take them out!
622
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,240
His label.
623
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,840
They wanted him to be there.
624
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:14,260
And he was like, well, I have another
idea of what that means.
625
00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:20,840
Being famous without content, that
really hurts me. He did get discredited
626
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,260
certain, like, cool musicians because of
the branding.
627
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:31,270
He was chosen to be in People magazine,
50 Most Beautiful People, or whatever
628
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:35,350
the hell that was called. The poor
relative, I think one of them walked up
629
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:39,750
him, look, Jeff, look what I've got. And
he took her Sharpie and just went.
630
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:46,170
We went to every newsstand and bought
every single one. Spent hundreds of
631
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:48,450
dollars so that no one would see it in
his neighborhood.
632
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:51,190
This entire show is dedicated to People
magazine.
633
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,780
It was becoming an increasingly
stressful environment.
634
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
You're very much a public person now.
How does that feel?
635
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:09,100
Well, I'm public with a camera, but I
don't like TV.
636
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:12,840
Why does your TV station want to know
about me?
637
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:28,570
Once we got to Europe, I remember we
felt a little sense of relief.
638
01:00:51,850 --> 01:00:54,130
The album was doing better over there.
639
01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:03,470
Radiohead came to a show in London and
was so inspired by Jeff that they left
640
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:07,330
the concert and went right to the studio
and recorded Fake Plastic Trees.
641
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:13,850
In Paris, we went to the opera and
walked along the set and went to every
642
01:01:13,850 --> 01:01:14,850
that we could.
643
01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:20,730
They fell in love with him, and who
wouldn't fall in love?
644
01:01:21,050 --> 01:01:23,190
when you do justice to an Edith Pia
song.
645
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:27,610
What about Edith Pia?
646
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:29,290
What's your attraction to her?
647
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:33,390
Her sound, her voice. Her
648
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:40,030
sexiness, the romance, her
649
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:41,210
tragedy.
650
01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:48,130
No one could rock like Jeff.
651
01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:50,130
But once you knew Hallelujah,
652
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:53,620
God help you.
653
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:57,540
This
654
01:01:57,540 --> 01:02:09,080
is
655
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,360
for Leonard, wherever you are.
656
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:12,140
And this is for Nina Simone.
657
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,140
The secret chord that David played and
it pleased the Lord.
658
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,920
But you don't really care for music, do
you?
659
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:43,040
Well, it goes like this, the fourth, the
fifth, the minor fall and
660
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,340
the major lift.
661
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:47,940
The Bible came composing.
662
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,640
We were both on the road.
663
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,000
You know, it's like so romantic, like
impossibly romantic.
664
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,840
But when we were together, we created a
space where
665
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,560
nothing was too scary to talk about.
666
01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:40,400
We both needed that so badly.
667
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,580
And she tied you to her kitchen chair.
668
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:49,680
She broke your throne and she cut your
hair.
669
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,380
And from your lips she drew with
hallelujah.
670
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,500
Hallelujah. All right. Just get rid of
this.
671
01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:03,500
You sit around and play your guitar all
day.
672
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,460
And you have a beautiful lady woman in
your bed.
673
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:09,600
Hallelujah.
674
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:13,520
That's true, I do.
675
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,720
The high school boys are undoubtedly
living a completely pathetic life.
676
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:27,960
We
677
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:36,020
felt
678
01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:41,000
like we found the person that we felt
the most safe with.
679
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:44,200
Nothing was off limits.
680
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:49,930
We could just be free really for the
first time.
681
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:51,190
Hallelujah!
682
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:32,660
the connecting thread because you will
do a cover of bad brains or of the smith
683
01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:38,960
or of edith piaf or probably my mindless
hero worship
684
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:45,940
this is jimmy page
685
01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:50,940
and this is i'm robert plant and uh
we're at the 99th festival of the tour
686
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:54,460
europen and it's uh i don't care
687
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,960
We're at the U .S. Cannons Festival,
right?
688
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,160
Easy as that.
689
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:08,940
I don't think Jeff had ever seen the
page in Planet Live.
690
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,120
My main musical influences?
691
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:15,540
Love, anger, depression, joy, and
Zeppelin.
692
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,900
It was like he was going to Mecca or
something.
693
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,900
Next stage at the festival.
694
01:06:25,660 --> 01:06:27,620
I felt something over my shoulder.
695
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:29,300
It was like heat.
696
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:31,940
And I turned around.
697
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:34,300
Jeff was walking towards me.
698
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,140
He put his hand on my shoulder. He said,
hey, I love your slide guitar playing.
699
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,420
Could you show me some slide guitar
stuff? And I said,
700
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:46,520
well, Jeff, you could probably show me
some slide guitar stuff.
701
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:48,180
He said, no, please, show me, you know.
702
01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:52,620
And he said, hey, Page and Plant are
playing. When I get off, if we go
703
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:53,620
there, we'll make it.
704
01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:58,450
We meet at the side of the stage, and we
were both really excited, obviously, to
705
01:06:58,450 --> 01:06:59,450
see them.
706
01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:06,550
After Jeff's show, I go around.
707
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:07,790
I'm in the pit.
708
01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:13,250
We're looking for Jeff constantly.
709
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:17,670
We're trying to watch the show. We're
trying to look for Jeff.
710
01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,350
We looked up.
711
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,760
They're just out of my periphery.
712
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:26,680
Oh, shit.
713
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,240
There's Jeff hanging all the way up off
the scaffolding.
714
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:40,800
Zeppelin is at full throttle, and Jeff
is with every decibel
715
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,200
coursing through his veins.
716
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:44,840
You could call it death to find.
717
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:58,100
The volume of music as it passes into
your body turns you into an instrument
718
01:07:58,100 --> 01:07:59,440
that your own ears hear.
719
01:08:00,060 --> 01:08:04,780
There's a great deal of comfort in the
same way that a baby's greatly comforted
720
01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:05,780
by their mother.
721
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:15,080
He looked at us and gave us a wave,
like, said, like, come on up.
722
01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:17,279
Like, the water's warm.
723
01:08:21,819 --> 01:08:23,840
Music. It was my mother.
724
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,319
It was my father.
725
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:38,200
When he was back in New York, we went
and saw Nusrat play
726
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,200
at Town Hall.
727
01:08:42,779 --> 01:08:45,120
After the show, we went backstage.
728
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:48,399
Nusrat is very, like, flaccid.
729
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,300
And here was this, like, bouncing around
Jeff.
730
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:57,040
Nisra did not speak any English, and
Jeff was trying to connect with him, and
731
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,160
then he just started... Oh!
732
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,680
Nisra,
733
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:14,000
like,
734
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,260
looked at him like...
735
01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:29,819
This smile came on his face and it was
just instant respect and love.
736
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:34,760
That is the universal language.
737
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,939
I didn't only just listen to things. I
totally, absolutely lionized everybody
738
01:09:43,939 --> 01:09:45,439
having anything to do with it.
739
01:09:48,109 --> 01:09:52,310
Some of Jeff's heroes eventually became
fans of him.
740
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:58,330
I was at a show at Roseland where Paul
McCartney and Linda McCartney came, and
741
01:09:58,330 --> 01:10:02,370
it was just amazing. There's this one
shot where he's looking at me going,
742
01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:03,870
can you believe it?
743
01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:10,030
But some of the heroes also recognized
his father's work as well.
744
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:14,190
I thought it was difficult for him
because, like, Linda McCartney knew his
745
01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:15,890
father better than he did.
746
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,280
In these situations, I'm hoping that I'm
understood.
747
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,780
But with comparisons, I'm not
understood.
748
01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:27,680
I have my own way.
749
01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:35,460
Jeff would buy all of Tim's CDs at Tower
Records, listen to them, and then throw
750
01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:36,460
them out.
751
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:44,420
Led Zeppelin was being inducted in 95
into the Rock and Roll Hall
752
01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:45,420
of Fame.
753
01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:48,860
I've never seen Jeff so starstruck.
754
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,500
And he just started pointing.
755
01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:55,180
You're the one that's been in my head
all these years.
756
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:56,800
It's you.
757
01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:03,200
At one point during the evening, Robert
Plant said something to Jeff like,
758
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,780
you're the greatest new singer in the
world.
759
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:10,680
It freaked Jeff out. He turned white.
760
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,400
Got up. I don't know what he did, where
he went, but he was missing for like two
761
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,400
days.
762
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:42,550
I noticed Jeff's depression started to
kick in.
763
01:11:43,150 --> 01:11:44,470
Your mailbox is full.
764
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:49,150
There was so much on his mind, but he
wasn't talking about it.
765
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:50,950
And he just felt heavy.
766
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,440
We all, like, experimented with taking
drugs and stuff.
767
01:12:08,980 --> 01:12:14,360
It was sometimes a bit crazy, but, like,
I never got, like, an addict vibe from
768
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,360
him at all.
769
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,100
Yeah, there was dipping and dabbling and
stuff, some more than others.
770
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,820
But I couldn't be around it.
771
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:28,980
Next year, then, will that mean a new
Jeff Buckley album?
772
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:33,160
I have to work on it this year, so
something will be out.
773
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:36,450
No, you know what? I can't make any
promises now.
774
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:38,970
I'll be a corpse by then.
775
01:12:40,690 --> 01:12:43,950
Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Buckley. It's
a great... Thank you, sir.
776
01:12:46,670 --> 01:12:53,650
I feel like as his fame grew, the
demands of success started to irritate
777
01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:58,070
The label was kind of breathing down his
back for this second album.
778
01:12:58,910 --> 01:13:03,150
I think he was weighed down by the debt
that he owed them.
779
01:13:04,190 --> 01:13:09,610
millions of dollars in debt with no hits
on your next record yet.
780
01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:11,930
Well, you're never going to get out of
the hole.
781
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:17,750
No one ever gets out of owing a record
label money because that's how it's
782
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:18,750
structured.
783
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:26,290
That probably would have been very scary
to Jeff, and maybe he
784
01:13:26,290 --> 01:13:32,170
thought that the type of deal that he
had may have been a little bit of a deal
785
01:13:32,170 --> 01:13:33,170
with the devil sometimes.
786
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:37,110
That's your bed, and you made it, and
you have to lie in it.
787
01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:43,510
Jeff started to spiral around this fear
that he has of the loss of his artistic
788
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:44,510
freedom.
789
01:13:45,230 --> 01:13:51,870
Columbia Records meetings would be very
full of pressure, you know, when Jeff
790
01:13:51,870 --> 01:13:52,910
didn't want to do something.
791
01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:57,490
Every parasite needs its host, and we
are them. I'm Jeff Buckley. And I'm
792
01:13:57,490 --> 01:13:59,950
Michael Tai. And we've been guest
parasite hosting tonight.
793
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,600
The label wanted the next record to come
out, but they were still touring.
794
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,040
Make another album, please.
795
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,500
Oh, my God.
796
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,880
You've taken your time, haven't you? I
mean, you haven't rushed into recording
797
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,360
the follow -up album.
798
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,260
Only because of being on the road so
long. Do you anticipate that it's going
799
01:14:26,260 --> 01:14:29,320
take months and months? If it takes any
longer, you'll find me swinging from the
800
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,320
news.
801
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,980
Get in the van, eight hours a day, every
day.
802
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:35,360
We're like two and a half years, bro.
803
01:14:35,940 --> 01:14:37,920
Like, can I just have some fucking
faith?
804
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,720
Then, I was nuts.
805
01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:48,760
I was fucking nuts.
806
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:54,360
And the last thing I need is another nut
motherfucker next to me.
807
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:07,390
You could really feel the disconnect
between Jeff and Matt.
808
01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:13,130
And I think Jeff felt like he was being
abandoned by a brother.
809
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:24,530
So Matty quit the band, said he was
done.
810
01:15:27,170 --> 01:15:28,830
I myself am erratic.
811
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:35,140
Music is erratic. If people look upon
music as something to have control over
812
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:40,320
something to be uniform and predictable,
then it's their funeral.
813
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:43,820
I'm going to come home.
814
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,320
I'll record, definitely. I just want to
come home and experiment and get all
815
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,320
these ideas out.
816
01:15:52,660 --> 01:15:55,220
Where would you like to see yourself in
10 years, 10 years from now?
817
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,740
I don't see myself 10 years from now at
all.
818
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,120
I just don't.
819
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,940
Just a blank movie screen.
820
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:08,840
Just a void.
821
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,920
What can I tell you?
822
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:21,620
I heard Grace in the summer of 96, and
within two weeks, I would
823
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:23,040
meet Jeff.
824
01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:24,900
We need a drummer we love.
825
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:26,480
Come try out.
826
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,920
Jeff had so much fear around this
record.
827
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,560
He wasn't ready.
828
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:36,600
He's questioning everything.
829
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:40,520
Was the first album a fluke? Am I an
imposter?
830
01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:50,720
Grace was a compilation of everything
that he had done until he was 27.
831
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:56,480
You wonder, do I have another record in
me? Do I need another 27 years?
832
01:16:56,740 --> 01:17:00,720
Then you had the record company guys
coming down to check in on us.
833
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:03,410
see our progress and was like, are you
kidding me?
834
01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:09,510
We wanted to be able to supply the
inspiration that would get him to the
835
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:12,590
level, but I think he felt he had to do
that on his own.
836
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:43,360
many of the people he admired had
somehow self -destructed.
837
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:50,180
People think that my father and the EPA
is all there to talk about.
838
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:57,000
And then to have Jeff come from a father
who had died young, he was really
839
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,380
trying to be healthier.
840
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:05,180
On his 29th birthday, Jeff turned to me
and said, I've now outlived my father.
841
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:07,200
It was a really strange...
842
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,760
reality for him in the face.
843
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:18,300
He said, I have to tell you something
about me.
844
01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:20,980
I'm not going to last that long.
845
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,420
I just have to tell you what it feels
like because I want to warn you.
846
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,720
And I said, I'm not going anywhere.
847
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,800
And because of his father dying,
848
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,240
I thought, of course you think that.
That makes all the sense in the world.
849
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,380
At the end of three years of touring,
who do you know?
850
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,200
What sort of life do you have?
851
01:19:29,180 --> 01:19:31,180
It's a little corrosive and a little
frustrating.
852
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,340
And that's why I have to go away.
853
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:37,080
I have to find some place and really
think into it.
854
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,360
Jeff found this house on Rembert Street.
855
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:09,400
He didn't have a lawnmower, so it became
overgrown.
856
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:14,540
I would visit him for a week, a month.
857
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,920
I remember lying with him in the grass.
858
01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:27,240
No one could see us.
859
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:34,230
Joan had said to me, take care of Jeff,
keep his feet on the ground, and I took
860
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:35,230
that seriously.
861
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:42,270
There seemed to be some normalcy, some
grounding.
862
01:20:42,970 --> 01:20:44,750
Cooking. Some cooking, food.
863
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:52,350
And I feel that Jeff came here where
there's not as much external stimulation
864
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:55,170
order to process.
865
01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:59,630
not just to create.
866
01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:10,470
Without ordinary life, there's no art.
867
01:21:13,630 --> 01:21:17,850
Balanced meals, reading, sleeping,
relationships.
868
01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:21,270
Love.
869
01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:36,060
It felt like he felt safe there.
870
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,860
He would wear my dresses in the house
sometimes and loved wearing them.
871
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:51,380
He just wanted to be anonymous and be
able to talk to anybody in the
872
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:57,200
not worrying if they were talking to him
because they knew who he was.
873
01:22:07,210 --> 01:22:10,390
I went to pick him up, and he was
crying.
874
01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:15,430
I said, do you want to talk about what's
going on? And he said it had to do with
875
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:16,430
his mom.
876
01:22:16,930 --> 01:22:23,770
Yeah, well, one day I went to visit a
friend in Los Angeles.
877
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:25,370
I didn't have Internet at the time.
878
01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:29,170
And she had a computer, and I'll sit up
with her. She said, oh, do you know,
879
01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:30,850
here's a chat room all about Jeff.
880
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:35,090
So I sat there and read some of the
comments, and they were just a bunch of
881
01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:36,090
bullshit.
882
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,080
So I said, hi, I'm his mom. I want you
to know none of that is true.
883
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,520
Well, that did not go over well.
884
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,880
It got back to his manager that I was,
you know, dealing with the fan club and
885
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,680
saying things that he didn't want me to
say, et cetera, et cetera, and he got
886
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,740
really pissed at me.
887
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,580
Oh, yeah, Mama, you've got to fucking
grow up, all right?
888
01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:07,990
He can't be a girl anymore, Ma. He's got
to be a woman.
889
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:09,790
I had to be the man.
890
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:11,670
I had to be the man in your house.
891
01:23:13,730 --> 01:23:18,050
Just get the anger and the pain that was
rested upon you to get rid of that
892
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:19,050
shit.
893
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:20,910
Because that's in me.
894
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,310
Everything you experienced at home, it's
in me.
895
01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:27,490
And that's how I know how to hurt
people.
896
01:23:31,450 --> 01:23:33,310
We've never had a falling out.
897
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:35,480
And it was serious.
898
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,980
And we didn't spend Christmas together
that year. He went to Northern
899
01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:41,820
and spent it with his stepdad.
900
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:56,940
Jeff got real serious and turned, took
my hand, looked down, very
901
01:23:56,940 --> 01:24:01,620
dejected, and said very quietly, I don't
know how to be a man.
902
01:24:14,539 --> 01:24:21,080
He was looking at who raised him and
formed his ability to
903
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,240
deal with life on a day -to -day basis.
904
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:29,980
He was looking for answers, really, from
a ghost, from his father.
905
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:47,190
And I've caught on foreign sounds for
you.
906
01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:50,710
Jeff could shift gears, though, very
quickly.
907
01:24:55,670 --> 01:25:01,970
His mind worked like a radio that was
tuned to all frequencies at once.
908
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:11,470
How you doing?
909
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:12,750
Hi.
910
01:25:23,769 --> 01:25:26,530
He said, I realized something.
911
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:28,770
I think I'm manic depressive.
912
01:25:30,010 --> 01:25:33,830
I didn't know what that meant. I thought
immediately of the Jimi Hendrix song.
913
01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:45,290
We just, I didn't, and nobody did then.
914
01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:55,830
He was in a really heightened state and
was having really disturbing visions,
915
01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:59,070
like visiting the devil.
916
01:25:59,730 --> 01:26:06,030
He took me into the attic. There was a
dead bird laying on the floor and his
917
01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:07,110
black skull candle.
918
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,900
He sent a fax to the office, and he's
like, I got the cover for the next
919
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,440
We comment, and this is too X -rated. We
can't send this to Sony.
920
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,760
He said that he dreamed he had a brain
tumor, and he thought that he was going
921
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,760
to die.
922
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,080
It was what I understand now to be a
psychotic break.
923
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,580
The same thing was going on with Hendrix
and Joplin and Martin.
924
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:42,420
chemical imbalance mixed with some sort
of trauma that's only sustainable for so
925
01:26:42,420 --> 01:26:46,180
much time until either it gets fixed or
it fixes you.
926
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,360
I'll never forget, he always said, I'm
not going to end up like my father with
927
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,380
tag on my toe.
928
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:05,600
Jeff had gone to the zoo numerous times
and loved the butterfly house.
929
01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:16,420
But he felt like the guy working in the
butterfly house was mistreating the
930
01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:17,420
chrysalis.
931
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,240
He felt he could be more gentle.
932
01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:42,090
The last conversation we had, he woke me
up with a phone call.
933
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:50,910
He was wanting to clarify the past.
934
01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:59,450
He was apologizing.
935
01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:04,710
I remember saying, it takes two, you
know.
936
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,080
to mess things up the way we did, and
it's all good.
937
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,160
He said he was doing work on his
childhood and that they were looking for
938
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,140
someone to help him, presumably a
counselor.
939
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:19,820
I'm going to work my ass off, baby.
940
01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:22,340
I'll see you on the other side.
941
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:29,060
For like two weeks, he, like, called
everybody he knew just to, like, have
942
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:30,640
contact.
943
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:39,780
I remembered him calling me and saying,
I realized that you were right about
944
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:45,000
stuff, and, you know, I wasn't even sure
what he meant by that, and I didn't
945
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,760
know how to follow it up, and it's sad.
946
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,640
Jeff was very quiet and didn't say
anything.
947
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,420
I told him I loved him.
948
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:05,050
I said to him, I
949
01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:07,610
have photos of you from your childhood.
950
01:29:08,230 --> 01:29:11,250
Would you like me to send them to you?
951
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:14,870
And like in a really soft voice, he
said, I'd like that.
952
01:29:17,210 --> 01:29:23,750
I said, you just got to let go and not
care if mistakes
953
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:24,750
are made.
954
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:48,060
Barristers became his second Sinead of a
kind, where
955
01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:54,240
he could go and work out music without
having
956
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:59,300
the entirety of, say, New York City find
out about it.
957
01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:05,180
I have been everything on stage.
958
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,880
I've been wrong. I've been completely
ugly. I've been stupid. I've been...
959
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,560
Angry I've been totally in love. I've
been beautiful. I've been hideous.
960
01:30:13,980 --> 01:30:20,920
I've lost my pants But I've never been
bored I've never been dead
961
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:27,840
on thing I've never been dead He
962
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:33,740
left my answering machine Michael
starting to click it starting to feel
963
01:30:33,740 --> 01:30:35,000
way the gray song felt
964
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,360
He hadn't played anyone, any of it.
965
01:30:40,940 --> 01:30:47,400
His band was joining him really soon to
start recording the record.
966
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:52,360
Sometimes a song gets into you and just
gets into you.
967
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,340
It just happens to you in a moment.
968
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,000
Me, Michael, and Mick each got a four
-track tape.
969
01:31:11,499 --> 01:31:16,540
I could feel that those songs had come
from a very pure place.
970
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,880
He was doing it all on headphones.
971
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,740
I said, Jeff, you could get speakers and
it would fill the room.
972
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:39,900
He got where he needed to go.
973
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,180
He's like, I want to open up a bank
account, buy this house, and I want to
974
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:52,180
car.
975
01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:58,060
He was really happy and having so much
fun.
976
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:17,960
Jeff was supposedly on their way to the
rehearsal space.
977
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,360
He was with the guitar tech, Fody.
978
01:32:24,260 --> 01:32:27,300
They ended up going down to Wolf River.
979
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:30,440
It was typical Jeff.
980
01:32:30,740 --> 01:32:34,040
He thought, oh, it's so beautiful, I'm
going to go in fully clothed.
981
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:38,040
No one swims down there. It's muddy.
982
01:32:38,260 --> 01:32:40,260
I don't know about currents. There were
boats.
983
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:46,450
He was listening to a whole lot of love.
Why?
984
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:47,870
Led Zeppelin.
985
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:52,730
Love, anger, depression, joy.
986
01:32:55,250 --> 01:32:56,250
And Zeppelin.
987
01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:20,860
He probably went in the water as soon as
we hit the tarmac.
988
01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:27,580
We got to the house, and it was kind of
in disarray.
989
01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:33,280
I kept thinking I was going to hear this
green door squeak open in the back and
990
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,280
slam, you know?
991
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,280
And then he'd come to the kitchen, and
we'd be like, oh, and he'd be like,
992
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,360
what's up?
993
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,980
Gene picks up the phone, and...
994
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,280
Just said, let's go.
995
01:33:51,020 --> 01:33:52,720
I thought he just swam across.
996
01:33:54,980 --> 01:33:57,460
It was very quiet and peaceful down
there.
997
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,300
The sun's setting. You know, it's going
to be dusk.
998
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:06,360
Now there's like helicopters.
999
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:20,750
I picked up the phone and said, hello,
and someone said, this is Memphis Police
1000
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:21,750
Department.
1001
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:25,670
And I said, I'm coming.
1002
01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:38,410
The car pulled up in front, and it was
Sergeant Mary Grace Johnson
1003
01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:40,270
of the Homicide Department.
1004
01:34:41,730 --> 01:34:45,630
And she said, you know, we have to have
the sunshine.
1005
01:34:47,820 --> 01:34:49,180
Because that'll bring the body.
1006
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:53,960
If we want to find him.
1007
01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:32,770
I was sitting in his attic two or three
days after he went into the river, and I
1008
01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:39,690
just remember breathing in, and my
breath, like, just kept going in. Like,
1009
01:35:39,730 --> 01:35:44,150
I just, I had, like, the biggest
inhalation that I've ever had, and I
1010
01:35:44,190 --> 01:35:49,510
like, my lungs puffing up with air and,
like, my spine straightening, you know.
1011
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:55,490
And something switched in me, and I...
1012
01:35:56,300 --> 01:35:59,620
Kind of felt like he was gone.
1013
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,880
Singer -songwriter Jeff Buckley's body
finally surfaced late Wednesday
1014
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,940
at the foot of Memphis' famed musical
corridor, Beale Street.
1015
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,900
As a friend watched helplessly from
shore, Buckley disappeared under the
1016
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:23,900
a passing boat.
1017
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,680
The irony wasn't lost on anyone that a
man who lived for his music would be
1018
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,940
found dead at the foot of Beale Street
where he'd performed before.
1019
01:36:37,180 --> 01:36:39,260
I was in Texas visiting family.
1020
01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:44,500
I was staring at Bray's Bayou, watching
the water.
1021
01:36:45,820 --> 01:36:47,760
That was the same time when Jeff died.
1022
01:36:55,050 --> 01:36:56,510
It was more than I could bear.
1023
01:37:03,150 --> 01:37:03,750
It
1024
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:10,750
was an
1025
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:17,110
undertow. The Army Corps of Engineers
had actually specifically dug that
1026
01:37:17,110 --> 01:37:21,030
area out to keep it clear of debris, so
it dropped off.
1027
01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:26,790
Obviously, being fully clothed and
weighted and out there for about 20
1028
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:30,150
plus an undertow, his drowning made
sense.
1029
01:37:32,050 --> 01:37:36,530
Hallelujah, hallelujah,
1030
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:43,150
hallelujah, hallelujah.
1031
01:37:46,410 --> 01:37:50,270
The autopsy report said he had a beer in
his system. That's it.
1032
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,300
Rolling Stone to please publish the
report to show that drugs had nothing to
1033
01:37:56,300 --> 01:37:57,059
with it.
1034
01:37:57,060 --> 01:38:01,360
But the shame is that the story was very
sensationalistic. It was very much
1035
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,540
like, well, we don't know.
1036
01:38:02,780 --> 01:38:08,700
And unfortunately, I can't tell you how
many people I've ran into in the last 20
1037
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:12,120
-something years who are like, oh yeah,
he died of drugs, or oh, he followed in
1038
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,120
his father's footsteps.
1039
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,560
Jeff was one of the greatest singers of
all time.
1040
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:43,400
I
1041
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:50,280
didn't fully
1042
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,480
comprehend how dope he was when he was
alive.
1043
01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:01,000
It was my first band, and he was my boy,
and everything just felt natural.
1044
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:08,140
It was a perfect example of, you know,
youth is wasted on the young.
1045
01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:27,560
He had said, you should come out to
Memphis. It's beautiful here.
1046
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,300
And I said, when your record's done, I'd
really love that.
1047
01:39:44,490 --> 01:39:46,430
We were so young.
1048
01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:54,770
Like, you know, all of those things that
felt so urgent and scary,
1049
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:56,450
those fall away.
1050
01:39:59,970 --> 01:40:06,750
And, you know, I would have loved to see
him have
1051
01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:07,950
those things fall away.
1052
01:41:00,890 --> 01:41:05,030
Mom, you know, anybody can be famous,
baby.
1053
01:41:06,330 --> 01:41:10,650
Anybody can be fucking famous, baby. But
it takes a real spirit.
1054
01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:12,670
You hear me?
1055
01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:16,850
It takes a real spirit to raise a kid.
1056
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:20,570
And he brought me into the world.
1057
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:39,920
Yeah.
1058
01:43:46,250 --> 01:43:47,250
Thank you, everybody.
1059
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:48,590
Good night.
1060
01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:56,130
You were beautiful.
1061
01:43:57,210 --> 01:43:58,450
Thanks a lot. I love you.
1062
01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:27,760
Why do you think I did not all this with
love?
1063
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:34,560
Like I kissed you, lines of escape in
my...
1064
01:45:47,219 --> 01:45:48,800
I am your fail.
1065
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:53,820
I'm your contender. I'm your long shot.
Come on, please.
1066
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,900
Stream you with an arm.
1067
01:45:57,820 --> 01:45:59,820
There's a world too many explosions.
86034
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