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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:18,190 Jeff? 2 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:33,570 reaches people on such a deep level. I think because he is like the essential 3 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:39,090 artist. It's raw, it's real, and his voice is like an instrument in itself. 4 00:00:39,090 --> 00:00:43,710 a poet for the ages, and it's a love story that just continues on and on. 5 00:01:15,980 --> 00:01:21,880 I've actually done my best to really not think about this for 30 years, let 6 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,940 alone talk out loud about it. 7 00:01:25,540 --> 00:01:29,300 Society has a weird view towards women in these relationships. 8 00:01:29,820 --> 00:01:35,020 There's so much misogyny. You're sort of pigeonholed into this girlfriend or ex 9 00:01:35,020 --> 00:01:41,240 -girlfriend or these roles, and you're supposed to sort of be cut as a pathetic 10 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,240 figure. 11 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:49,970 I've gone as far from being an artist in New York City as one can imagine, and I 12 00:01:49,970 --> 00:01:53,250 think that is a lot because of his death. 13 00:01:56,430 --> 00:02:03,170 He heard the whole of his person in the 14 00:02:03,170 --> 00:02:04,170 music. 15 00:02:05,310 --> 00:02:08,750 Writing his second record was so daunting. 16 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:14,630 It was a huge step forward for him. 17 00:02:15,870 --> 00:02:18,190 But I haven't been able to listen. 18 00:02:19,650 --> 00:02:23,530 That might sound crazy, but I can't. 19 00:02:33,010 --> 00:02:38,830 I certainly was a flawed parent. 20 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,380 But he sure got me, you know, and he thought exactly where I came from and 21 00:02:45,380 --> 00:02:51,200 understood why I made the choices I made in my life. 22 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:59,140 No one has ever loved me more or better 23 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:01,320 than he. 24 00:03:23,340 --> 00:03:26,180 Every human being has music that only they can make. 25 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,320 And it's my deepest form of communication with people. 26 00:03:33,060 --> 00:03:34,480 It'll always keep on changing. 27 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,000 It'll always defy anything that tries to put people in a box. 28 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,000 This is our last goodbye. 29 00:04:01,690 --> 00:04:08,670 There are things I want to 30 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:09,970 do that I've never heard of. 31 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:11,390 It's my life. 32 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,960 I just love when men use their voice so unselfconsciously. I mean, he was 33 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,640 literally the best singer I've ever heard. 34 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:31,760 And he was so amazed by what female singers could do. 35 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:34,680 Feminine masculine, he was and is my favorite. 36 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:46,200 When you really dig into the lyrics, it's so sacred. 37 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:48,980 Him recognizing his own. 38 00:04:49,710 --> 00:04:51,290 I guess you could call it mortality. 39 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:59,610 I want to be songwriter Jeff. 40 00:05:00,150 --> 00:05:01,470 Jeff Buckley, songwriter. 41 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:11,930 He had a way of playing the most beautiful song you've ever heard. 42 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:15,710 He could have literally been doing anything musically that he wanted to do. 43 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:47,710 First time I heard Jeff sing. 44 00:05:49,190 --> 00:05:50,990 Oh, he was in the bassinet. 45 00:05:55,030 --> 00:06:02,030 One time I came in and I could hear him. He was vocalizing 46 00:06:02,030 --> 00:06:03,030 to the radio. 47 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:14,230 The day I heard Ain't No Mountain High Enough. 48 00:06:14,780 --> 00:06:15,940 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 49 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:18,640 I thought, ooh, yeah. 50 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,200 He's a singer. 51 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:26,880 Music charged my life. 52 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,680 A good childhood? 53 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:33,400 Uh, it was a childhood. 54 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:50,760 My mom's first generation, Panamanian immigrant, very good girl, brought up 55 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,960 voodoo Catholic values, you know, brought over to Anaheim, you know, that 56 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,460 hellhole in Southern California where Disneyland is. 57 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:10,860 My parents had high 58 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:11,880 hopes for me. 59 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:15,390 You know, immigrant parents with their eldest child. 60 00:07:15,730 --> 00:07:21,470 I wanted to be an actress and sing and dance and play the piano, but I had 61 00:07:21,470 --> 00:07:26,890 soiled the family name and dishonored them having premarital sex. 62 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:32,710 I met Timothy in French class. 63 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:39,870 He would do things like pull one hair on my, right? And I would turn around and 64 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:40,970 he would be looking up. 65 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:47,930 We were two kids from abusive, crazy homes, and we just knew the world better 66 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:48,930 than anybody else. 67 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:59,430 17 at the time, I was already a teenage pregnant mom. 68 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:08,370 My parents thought maybe I should give the baby up for adoption, but there was 69 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:10,770 no choice for me but to go through with the pregnancy. 70 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,960 I knew from the fifth month that I was never going to see Tim again. 71 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,840 First of all, he was with somebody else. 72 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Plus, he was determined to be a singer -songwriter. 73 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,940 This child was on me. 74 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:38,900 He split before I was born. 75 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,419 You know, you decided not to be a father to me. 76 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,040 You don't serve your country, man. You serve life. You serve people. 77 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,900 TV from the very beginning and also public schools have been the great 78 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:52,900 lobotomizer. 79 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:58,160 Everything in the outer world is not the world. Cars, how much perfume you wear. 80 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:02,360 The world is what's inside and what cats pull out of themselves all through 81 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,240 time. I said to him, you gotta go pursue your dreams. You go. 82 00:09:07,340 --> 00:09:08,340 But... 83 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:13,780 My dreams of being an actress or being a concert pianist, that was all gone. 84 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Jeff and I sort of raised each other. 85 00:09:30,780 --> 00:09:36,080 Well, his father wasn't there, but this woman loved him with all her heart and 86 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,640 didn't hesitate. 87 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,400 to make him feel loved at every chance he had. 88 00:09:42,380 --> 00:09:46,980 He would come and put his little hands on my face and say, we're going to be 89 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:48,140 okay, Mommy, right? 90 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,720 And I'd go, yes, we are, honey, we're just fine. 91 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:55,960 He had to take care of her. 92 00:09:56,940 --> 00:10:03,700 And he was feeling like she had been hurt and feeling horrible about 93 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:04,700 that. 94 00:10:05,510 --> 00:10:12,090 Perhaps it is the color of the sun caught flat and covering 95 00:10:12,090 --> 00:10:16,850 the crossroads I'm standing at. 96 00:10:17,270 --> 00:10:22,290 Jeff was like having a grandfather watching over me and telling me who was 97 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:27,250 to date and who wasn't. Mama, you've been on my mind. 98 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:31,930 When I was a kid, I always felt really proud if I could roll a joint for all 99 00:10:31,930 --> 00:10:32,930 grown -ups at the party. 100 00:10:33,340 --> 00:10:35,580 I never did it, but I always, I want to do it, let me do it. 101 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:40,680 I now remember the day that my mom called me over to the reclining chair 102 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,280 tried to explain to me that if I told anybody that they did this stuff, they 103 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,280 would go to jail. 104 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:57,660 When Jeff was little, before I even 105 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:59,500 made coffee, music would go on. 106 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,860 Constant, constant, constant, constant. 107 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:05,060 Judy Garland, the man that got away. 108 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:06,540 I love that song. 109 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,240 And it was very important to him. 110 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Music, always. 111 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,120 My stepfather, Ronald, who was a car mechanic. 112 00:11:19,180 --> 00:11:21,000 He was the one that introduced me to Led Zeppelin. 113 00:11:21,540 --> 00:11:22,760 And that changed my whole life. 114 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,220 Ron would turn the stereo on loud enough to hold blocks in here. 115 00:11:28,810 --> 00:11:33,730 And there would be little Jeff laying on top of the speakers with his little 116 00:11:33,730 --> 00:11:35,870 body vibrating to the music. 117 00:11:36,770 --> 00:11:38,630 Music, it was my mother. 118 00:11:38,890 --> 00:11:40,050 It was my father. 119 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:43,090 It's the best thing in my life. 120 00:11:46,430 --> 00:11:50,130 I see in the newspaper this quarter -page ad. 121 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:55,090 Tim Buckley made a name for himself as one of pop music's genuine innovators. 122 00:11:55,510 --> 00:11:59,770 Over the course of nine albums, He incorporated the prettiest of folk 123 00:11:59,770 --> 00:12:03,710 most extreme of freeform jazz, and the raunchiest of rock and blues. 124 00:12:04,210 --> 00:12:10,050 I thought, wow, maybe this is an opportunity for my son to get to know 125 00:12:10,050 --> 00:12:11,050 father. 126 00:12:12,010 --> 00:12:17,350 I looked at Jeff and said, hey, would you like to go see your dad perform? 127 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,060 Jeff was rocking to the music. 128 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:39,180 Looking up at his dad. 129 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,140 Tim had his eyes closed, but he had to know he was there, had to be aware of 130 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:45,140 presence. 131 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:52,560 When he went back to the green room, I looked down and said, you want to go see 132 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:53,259 him now? 133 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:55,960 I could feel Jeff clutching my skirt. 134 00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:59,710 You know, kind of hanging on, pressing close and looking around. 135 00:13:01,510 --> 00:13:04,830 I couldn't see Tim at first, and then I heard, Jeff! 136 00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:08,530 Hi, bud, how are you doing? 137 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:14,530 Jeff sat on his lap, and he started talking what his favorite color was, my 138 00:13:14,530 --> 00:13:17,050 dog's name is King, what grade he was in. 139 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:25,470 About ten minutes later, Tim said, we'd like to take him home with us tonight. 140 00:13:31,690 --> 00:13:33,250 Yeah, you can take him home right now. 141 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:35,110 But you better not fuck up. 142 00:13:38,510 --> 00:13:39,890 I stayed with him a week. 143 00:13:40,330 --> 00:13:41,330 He used to vacation. 144 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:47,550 He had an adopted son. He had a new wife. 145 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:49,170 He had a whole other family. 146 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:53,590 Four days later, I got a telephone call. 147 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:59,430 Kim had to get back into the studio and put Jeff on a bus in Santa Monica. 148 00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:05,170 It was so much fun. 149 00:14:05,450 --> 00:14:08,390 My dad has a lot of friends, and he gave me this. 150 00:14:10,930 --> 00:14:12,630 He said, you saved that buddy. 151 00:14:16,510 --> 00:14:17,830 No calls were returned. 152 00:14:21,190 --> 00:14:22,350 That was two months before. 153 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:31,530 I have a great deal of pain and anger, but I have a great deal of love and 154 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:32,530 compassion. 155 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:34,290 For Tim. 156 00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:39,770 Some things that he did completely embarrassed me to hell. 157 00:14:40,690 --> 00:14:43,750 But the things that were great hold up against anything. 158 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:49,270 Jeff wasn't even mentioned in any of the obituaries. 159 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:53,310 By the time I was in high school, I got my first electric guitar. 160 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:56,850 It was a black Memphis, black Paul Coffey. 161 00:14:58,090 --> 00:15:01,290 Yeah, just fell in with the wrong crowd and got a band together, of course. 162 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Thank you. 163 00:15:38,780 --> 00:15:44,200 15. Jeff was practicing algemiola every night. 164 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:49,580 That was a fixation I had up until the time I was maybe 16. And I can play 165 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:50,580 anything I hear. 166 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:02,860 My high school boy called me faggot. And your fucking new age girlfriend sent 167 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:06,940 old geek on my fucking Ovation Viper electric guitar case. 168 00:16:14,350 --> 00:16:21,150 Jeff had an ability to mimic the vocal cadences and the inflections of people 169 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:22,210 he was listening to. 170 00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:35,470 It's an exact album. 171 00:16:36,090 --> 00:16:39,130 Because, you know, a lot of people would tune it down a step so they could hit 172 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:41,630 the note. This is the exact, it's album pitch. 173 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:45,010 It's the same key. 174 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:53,210 I used to want to be a guitar aficionado. 175 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:59,190 But the thing I was going to learn to do best was songwriting. 176 00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:01,330 Music and words. 177 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:06,750 I decided to make a woman of music and give myself to her. 178 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:12,190 And at another point I decided to make a man of music and give myself to him. 179 00:17:13,930 --> 00:17:20,069 When you're a kid, people assume that you have no mind of your own, which at a 180 00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:21,069 very early age I did. 181 00:17:24,430 --> 00:17:30,910 I put so many things onto music for me so that I wouldn't shrink into a 182 00:17:30,910 --> 00:17:34,270 black universe. 183 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:49,260 St. Anne's in Brooklyn wanted Jeff to sing at a tribute to Tim. 184 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,440 I said, 185 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,940 no, I will never, ever perform that music. 186 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:03,900 I got my own music. 187 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,920 I said, you know what, son? 188 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:12,180 Give it some thought. There's going to be some really amazing artists being 189 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:13,180 lined up. 190 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:17,160 So I said, okay, but I just want to come on and sing and come off. 191 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,240 This is not a springboard. This is something really personal. 192 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:24,740 And they told me, well, we don't know how good he is, so we'll put him with 193 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:28,020 other artists to fill in any gaps in his talents. 194 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:31,000 Dangerous situations appealed to me. 195 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:35,800 There had been a bit of buzz that Tim Buckley's son would be there. 196 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,480 I figured it wasn't the worst thing that happened. 197 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:55,100 The luminaries of downtown were there. 198 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:59,260 This could be exactly what I dreamed for him. 199 00:19:03,340 --> 00:19:08,360 I didn't know who he was, and I'm working, doing sound and lighting, but 200 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:12,800 so nervous. He was so, like, his hair was just in front of his face, and he 201 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,000 seemed so awkward. 202 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:22,400 Long time ago, when I was a little kid, my mom sat on a bed, and she put this 203 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,340 record on, and it had my father's voice. 204 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:32,940 He had on his father's coat, and he started to play with Dad's song about... 205 00:19:33,050 --> 00:19:34,890 leaving him as a child. 206 00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:42,470 And he was weeping. 207 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,840 It did become Jeff's concert. 208 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:28,400 I was like, this can't be real. 209 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:37,640 He told me he walked away with no less than 60 business cards in his pocket. 210 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,400 My friend said he heard Tim Buckley's haunted voice. 211 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,340 It's not his voice. 212 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,060 And it's not my voice, it's the voice that's been passed down through every 213 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:48,060 in the family. 214 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:54,140 He came out and sat next to me and said, what do you think? 215 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,500 I was thinking, my opinion here does not matter, but that was really stunning, 216 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,720 like just so beautiful. 217 00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:12,460 He was asking if he could walk me to the subway and get on the train with me. 218 00:21:12,990 --> 00:21:16,050 And took it all the way into Manhattan and we're talking and talking. And we 219 00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:20,530 stayed on that train and we went all the way up to the last stop. 220 00:21:20,790 --> 00:21:24,270 Besides reading and movies, what I really like is night prowling. Finding 221 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:26,010 the white places where the misfits go. 222 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:30,390 You're making me laugh so much. 223 00:21:31,650 --> 00:21:36,870 Then we got in the downtown and we went all the way to Coney Island and back. 224 00:21:56,270 --> 00:22:00,750 so interested in what I did. It's really surprised me because I was doing 225 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:01,850 experimental theater. 226 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:08,450 It was really less about money and fame and more about pushing the boundaries. 227 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:14,850 Nobody I knew my own age was really interested in any of that. But he was 228 00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:17,170 someone who drank up the world like a sponge. 229 00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:27,090 You make me feel so young. 230 00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:28,330 Thank you. 231 00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:31,650 You make me feel like spring is coming. 232 00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:34,350 I was in a play with Rebecca. 233 00:22:34,690 --> 00:22:38,710 I was in high school, and Jeff just felt very electric to me. 234 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:44,290 Jeff had a real lust for life. 235 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:50,470 The East Village at that time was such a collection of every eccentric that did 236 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:51,870 not fit in anywhere else. 237 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:59,440 He saw so many people breaking down the status quo. 238 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,620 Artists were being banned. 239 00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:04,440 The NEA was being censored. 240 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,400 New York was the place for this amazing stuff, stuff I can't even describe to 241 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,400 you. 242 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,300 Sometimes he would just disappear, and I'd get a call from a friend later 243 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Jeff showed up at my house today. 244 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:19,380 Every moment was so spontaneous. 245 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,040 He would make very elaborate. 246 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:26,760 outgoing messages like old -time radio shows. 247 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,380 And now, the continuing adventures of Spinach the Cat. 248 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,800 His most famous being Spinach the Cat. 249 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,940 And now your host, Preston Snubbery. 250 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:45,960 Jeff didn't have a job, so he had a lot of time on his hands. Jeff used to look 251 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,940 specifically for Michael Bolton tapes so he could put the piece of tape over the 252 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:51,240 top and record over it. 253 00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:56,180 He would line up tape recorders because there was no samplers. There was no 254 00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:57,560 digital computer, nothing. 255 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,920 He basically created a little studio all for the outgoing message. 256 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,400 Pressing this sound effect for when the crowd cheers. 257 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:08,340 This sound effect when the cat meows. 258 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:10,580 It was an hour long. 259 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,720 And so people had to listen to this hour long soap opera. 260 00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:21,540 He asked me, do you think this part is too much? 261 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,760 I thought the whole thing is too much. 262 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,380 Join us next time for the continuing adventures of Spinach the Jack. 263 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Girlfriend. 264 00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:34,900 I love you. 265 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:42,100 I think Jeff had this desire to be liked and loved and 266 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,480 to connect with people. 267 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:53,570 Jeff started calling me butterfly. 268 00:24:56,110 --> 00:25:00,950 I think he saw me at that point of coming out of a cocoon. 269 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:12,630 We were these two sensitive young souls searching for where you fit in and feel 270 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:15,590 empowered and loved and found each other. 271 00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:28,010 But I called him the Scratchy Fish because he was always not shaving, 272 00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:30,290 very bristly. 273 00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:35,030 And he started making these stories, almost like children's stories. 274 00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:40,850 This is Scratchy Fishy, this is their home, and this is Butterfly, and they're 275 00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:41,850 getting married. 276 00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:48,330 The story he wove about a butterfly and a fish was that they could never be 277 00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:49,330 together. 278 00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:12,400 You could see in his eyes that he would sometimes go to this place that I think 279 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,720 was very inaccessible to anyone but himself. 280 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:17,600 He just would check out. 281 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:46,940 I wanted to be a, you know, a chanteuse. 282 00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:01,080 I think I wanted to be Nina Simone. 283 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:08,770 Although she would advise against it strongly, I'm sure. 284 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:10,950 Sometimes. 285 00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:13,430 I think I wanted to be. 286 00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:17,710 He was my Elvis. 287 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:55,180 kid from Orange County covering Nusrat Fatih Ali, Conor, Nina Simone. 288 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840 You just have to give it up. He must have been working his ass off. 289 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:06,060 There was a tiny little club in the East Village called Sine. 290 00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:13,000 You could probably fit in maybe 30 or 40 people at the most, and it would be 291 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,180 super, super crowded. 292 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:16,740 And Jeff was washing dishes. 293 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:23,910 He was serving people coffee, and then every now and then, he would just get up 294 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:24,910 and play. 295 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:28,450 I'm a ridiculous person. 296 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:31,690 And you're lucky you've paid no money to see me. 297 00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:36,410 It was an Irish -run coffee shop. 298 00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:39,950 It's a great little place to see somebody in the raw. 299 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,350 This is a perfect place for music lovers. 300 00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:47,690 It's not like playing at a rock club. It's not like playing at a hall. 301 00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:50,540 It's a good place to get real. Turn it up. 302 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,060 It was so homey in here. 303 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,700 It just smelled like espresso. 304 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,320 TV in the middle of some, like, ballad, and you just hear that. 305 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:10,360 The Sinead community became a 306 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,200 place of such encouragement for him. 307 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,620 It really became a home where he could experiment. 308 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:20,830 It's a fabulous time for a Guinness. 309 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:22,970 The brown liquor. 310 00:29:34,450 --> 00:29:36,710 The buttocks of steel tour, Jeff Buckley. 311 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,830 In the beginning, there were just a few people. 312 00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:43,170 Then, all of a sudden, it was like packed. 313 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:44,610 It's like the seed finding song. 314 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,500 Crowds, you know, spilling out into the street. 315 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,840 Everybody stop! 316 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,640 He was really an entertainer there, as much as a musician. 317 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080 By the way, all these songs are for the lovers in the audience. 318 00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:01,200 We mostly did covers. 319 00:30:01,660 --> 00:30:05,460 And then he started introducing some of the original material. 320 00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:09,380 Went from laughing to jaw -dropping, you know. 321 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,040 It's a song about a dream. 322 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:18,180 That was the first time I ever saw Jeff Buckley at Sinead. 323 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,920 I 324 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:35,680 mean, 325 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,420 a pin could drop. 326 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:48,340 I wasn't thinking about being a music executive. I was just a fan. 327 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:50,180 I 328 00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:58,140 was 329 00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:07,320 there 330 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,320 with Columbia. 331 00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:13,100 I think we were all sort of stopped in our tracks that night. 332 00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:30,390 The whole record company, Gauntlet, started infesting my gigs. 333 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:35,010 They were all there. People from Elektra, Arista, Tony. 334 00:32:39,790 --> 00:32:44,470 It was a bit of a cotillion, but that's the way it goes. 335 00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:53,210 We'd all heard so many nightmares about large labels and lack of creative 336 00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:57,640 expression. But I think he went into it feeling like he'd been reassured that he 337 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,640 was going to get that. 338 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:09,200 I knew that I was just sitting there with bated breath waiting for the new 339 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,100 Buckley to come up and pick up where his father left off. I hated it. I couldn't 340 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:14,100 stand it. 341 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Fucking bullshit. 342 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,180 What do you think you inherited from your father? 343 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,960 People who remember my father. 344 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,100 Next question. 345 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,980 I went around and sampled record company people to find where I fit in. 346 00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:34,820 Jeff had a little bit of fear about the fact that he didn't have more original 347 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:38,720 material. I wouldn't ever tell him what to do, but I was like, go small. 348 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,720 I went to Sony. 349 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,040 Well, Columbia. 350 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:45,020 When you walk in, the first thing you see is Bob Dylan. 351 00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:47,300 On the wall, looking beautiful. 352 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:49,260 A foot away is Miles. 353 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,740 A foot away is Monk. 354 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,100 Duke Ellington. 355 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,600 Chambers Brothers. 356 00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:56,020 Mahalia. 357 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,900 It was purely emotional. I was like, I want to be here. 358 00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:10,460 Columbia has such a storied legacy of Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan and Bruce 359 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:16,340 Springsteen. What we all felt sitting in that room was that he would one day be 360 00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:17,340 in that Pantheon. 361 00:34:21,150 --> 00:34:24,790 As a gentleman, you won't be able to dictate anything to me. You're just 362 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:25,989 to make something I've never heard before. 363 00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:29,270 And the people that I settled with were pretty fine with that idea. 364 00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:35,429 He was told that it was like one of the biggest deals an unknown person had ever 365 00:34:35,429 --> 00:34:36,429 gotten. 366 00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:40,870 He brought home the contract. It was like 40 pages long. I'd never seen 367 00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:41,870 like it. 368 00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:48,690 It should have been just joy, but I think suddenly things changed. 369 00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:58,050 I would come home from work, and I'd come up the six flights of stairs, and I 370 00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:01,030 would get to the door and put my key in the door, and I'd hear him stop. 371 00:35:02,610 --> 00:35:06,570 Before the record contract, he would sing and play for me all the time. 372 00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:11,210 I said to him, do you need a place to work? 373 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:15,390 The pressure to write songs and not be interrupted was so intense. 374 00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:21,790 I'm going to write a hundred songs. 375 00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:24,110 In five weeks? 376 00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:27,690 That means 20 songs a week. 377 00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:33,630 He struggles with the lyrics. 378 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:35,170 I'm a horrible critic. 379 00:35:35,830 --> 00:35:37,150 I'm my own worst critic. 380 00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:43,350 He was obsessed with Morrissey and Dylan, so he had a very high standard. 381 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:47,170 He didn't want to be known as the guy who only does covers. 382 00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:54,210 My hope had been that we would work on the relationship and live together, but 383 00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:58,590 he would find another space where he could get this record contract 384 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:04,530 That was naive to hope because he moved out completely. 385 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,840 People are like saying, look, I'll give you all this money. Look, I'll be your 386 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,340 manager. Look, I'll be your agent. Look, I got this place I want you to go to, 387 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:20,380 blah, blah, blah, blah. 388 00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:24,820 I just want to make something special, not even care about anything else, money 389 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:26,880 or prestige or a tour or nothing. 390 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:31,020 Try it again. 391 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:53,780 Coming up with a record's worth of material with musicians and a producer 392 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:56,680 engineers waiting and everybody's dependent on you. 393 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640 You know, it's like tick -tock, start making magic. 394 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Let's try it again. 395 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:02,880 Come into my world. 396 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,660 My journals are the lyrics for the albums. 397 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,780 Songs just come out of poems. 398 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,880 And sometimes poems come out of dreams. 399 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,960 There's a song called Grace. 400 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:31,880 It's basically a death prayer. 401 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,910 I always describe it as, you know, Not fearing anything, anyone, any man, any 402 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:47,210 woman, any war, any gun, any fling or arrow aimed at your heart by other 403 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:51,550 Because there is somebody finally who loves you for real. 404 00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:11,950 You can achieve a real state of grace through somebody else's love in you. 405 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:25,910 Jeff would say, oh, we should bring strings in on this song. 406 00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:33,130 We had this idea to write interesting backgrounds that fit the voice, actual 407 00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:35,730 lines, you know, counter lines. 408 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:38,460 Carl came from the jazz world. 409 00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:42,300 He was more appealing to Jeff than somebody who does pop string 410 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,480 Britney Spears would call, and I'd say, no, that's you calling the wrong person. 411 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480 Jeff listened to Bill Evans. 412 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,640 He listened to Shostakovich. 413 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:59,940 Have you heard of any pop singers even knowing who Shostakovich is? 414 00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:11,420 It was the same way that Led Zeppelin used orchestrations. Any orchestra 415 00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:16,020 would have loved to have had their day with Jeff to be able to just go to the 416 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:17,020 moon. 417 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,940 People who sing high lose power, and Jeff actually gains power. 418 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,020 His range was like four octaves. 419 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,840 You think you're coming to a peak, and then it goes one step further, and then 420 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,180 it goes another step further. 421 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,920 Grace is one of those songs that would inspire me to pick up guitar and play, 422 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,500 and then I'd start to kind of find something that made me feel like that 423 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,920 fail miserably at it. Put the guitar back. 424 00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:10,720 Jeff said, I want you to shoot my album cover. 425 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:16,000 I had all the contact sheet, and Jeff just went, boing. 426 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,020 That's it. That's the cover. 427 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,020 It's completely iconic. 428 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,520 He already looks like he's Sinatra. 429 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,800 The folks at the company didn't like the glittery gold jacket. 430 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:31,640 Yeah, that's a little too effeminate. And just like, you gave me creative 431 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,080 control. I choose that. 432 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,160 seven originals, three covers. 433 00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:17,460 He made a record that no one else could ever have come close to 434 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:20,200 making as a first record. It's uncanny. 435 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,920 Now it's like a legendary album. 436 00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,180 People know me better for that than for my own music. 437 00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:48,760 putting it in the CD player in my car. 438 00:41:53,400 --> 00:42:00,320 And I was overwhelmed with the mastery and 439 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,960 the musicianship and the poetry and the 440 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,860 vocal performances were beyond anything 441 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:14,920 I had imagined. 442 00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:16,730 He was capable of. 443 00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:35,670 Boy, France, Australia, UK, huge. 444 00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:37,130 Grace was huge. 445 00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:38,830 It was a monster hit. 446 00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:41,510 U .S., moderate. 447 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,540 As a child, I lived in Los Angeles. 448 00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:54,840 I mean, you see people getting signed, dreams totally inflated falsely. 449 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,340 I really admire artists allowed to fail, allowed to be human, allowed to make 450 00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:05,560 the most glorious dances they could ever imagine and totally fall and get back 451 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,200 up because it's all human. But if you're like this side of, you know, Danny 452 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,300 Partridge, it's like totally impossible. 453 00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:15,300 It's the era of grunge. 454 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:19,990 And Jeff was a real counterweight to that. He was part of this downtown New 455 00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:20,990 scene. 456 00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:25,930 Back then, Jeff defied genres. 457 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:28,090 Jeff tested boundaries. 458 00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:32,530 Jeff challenged traditional male -female roles. 459 00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:39,450 So his music was not easy to fit into the dozen radio categories. 460 00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:51,210 And yet Jeff was also influenced by some of the artists that came out in the 461 00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:53,170 late 80s and early 90s in Seattle. 462 00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:57,290 Soundgarden was playing in London. 463 00:43:57,990 --> 00:44:04,230 And I don't think I quite realized what a huge Soundgarden fan Jeff was. 464 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:12,930 Oh my goodness, this is where he could be like a little... 465 00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:15,990 you know, annoying brother. Like, you have to take me. 466 00:44:16,310 --> 00:44:17,730 I'm coming with you. 467 00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:24,590 He just magically showed up one day, and it was on. 468 00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:29,210 It was a beautiful, beautiful friendship between he and Chris. 469 00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:36,570 There was a sense of mischief with this almost soulmate understanding. 470 00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:42,070 Chris Cornell does it really well. It's like one of the few people I've met. 471 00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:48,030 make his life work, his ordinary life. Because without ordinary life, there's 472 00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:49,030 art. 473 00:44:51,070 --> 00:44:53,570 How would you like your fans to think of you? 474 00:44:54,650 --> 00:45:00,590 Just as, really, as a guy that's just like a really good storyteller. Just 475 00:45:00,590 --> 00:45:02,590 somebody who does a job that they enjoy. 476 00:45:03,350 --> 00:45:09,450 Of course it was incredible that so many people reacted to his music. 477 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,140 But the fame that went along with that was not the fun part. 478 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:22,280 Even when he acted confident, it was kind of an act. It was him channeling 479 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,220 bravely as a character, but I still think that really insecure person was 480 00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:31,320 there. Well, everybody's sensitive, but sometimes men don't want to recognize 481 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,320 it. 482 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,400 I don't even want people to really think of me as a face or a name or a body or 483 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,540 anything, just the music. 484 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,420 Because when I'm dead... 485 00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:41,830 That's the only thing that'll be allowed. 486 00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:53,630 How he was being examined under a microscope was so intense. 487 00:45:54,070 --> 00:46:00,470 That quality he had to disappear in the moment ultimately 488 00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:04,370 amounted to not showing up where I was. 489 00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:11,150 One night, he didn't come home. And this was Valentine's Day. 490 00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:16,210 By 3 or 4 in the morning, I was calling hospitals around New York City. 491 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:18,410 And then he just sponsored in. 492 00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:20,750 He had been out with friends. 493 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:29,350 Maybe I'm too young to keep good love going 494 00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:30,590 on. 495 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,170 But tonight... Hi, Rebecca. 496 00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:35,770 9 o 'clock. 497 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,620 I fucking couldn't get into your show because I got there too close to 8 o 498 00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:40,920 'clock and I'm so disappointed. 499 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,940 I really want to see you. 500 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,560 Too young to hold on Too old to just 501 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:59,440 break free and run During his record release party, I 502 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,540 had a backstage pass. 503 00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:03,020 He'd handwritten my name on it. 504 00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:09,220 His manager was at the door, and he went, you can't go in now, sit over 505 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,740 Two hours went by. 506 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,220 I went to the door, and I turned the handle, and I walked in, and it was a 507 00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:17,460 mostly empty room. 508 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,720 They said Jeff left like over an hour ago. 509 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,940 He must have gone out a back door. 510 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:29,920 The next morning, he was so apologetic and really upset. 511 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,800 I felt resigned. 512 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,980 I didn't want to be an appendage. I didn't want to be in his world if he 513 00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:40,280 really want me there. 514 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,960 The hard 515 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,180 part about letting go was, like, I hope 516 00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:01,580 he will have good people. 517 00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:04,210 because he didn't have any self protection. 518 00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:07,240 Rebecca and him split just kind of looked like a different person for a 519 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,980 There was a time when I was in New York, and we spent some time together, and we 520 00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:26,560 met at a bar, and this jazz band is really loud, so it was impossible for us 521 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,560 talk. 522 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,160 We started... 523 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:32,020 writing each other messages. 524 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:40,080 For a lot of it, I think he was trying to be seductive, but really not where 525 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,080 I wanted to go. 526 00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:50,080 There was a very boundary -less kind of liquid feeling to him. 527 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,980 He felt very desperate to self -medicate with making this into a sexual 528 00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:56,980 relationship. 529 00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:05,330 I remember getting kind of frustrated and writing, you need love, not sex. 530 00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:14,250 Generally, I love to rush in there and try to fix the broken guy, but that 531 00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:18,190 liquid, watery quality just felt very tidal wavy. 532 00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:23,310 He was very hard on himself. 533 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:30,230 Like, sometimes I got the sense that he felt that there were, Good and evil 534 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:32,890 forces, you know, I play within him 535 00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:41,470 Music 536 00:50:41,470 --> 00:50:43,290 I don't know it'll save you 537 00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,260 Matt Johnson on drums. 538 00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:02,100 Bass player Mick Grundle. 539 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,040 I'm Mick Grundle. And I'm Jeff Buckley, and you're watching 120 Minutes on MTV. 540 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,920 He asked me to join the band, too. 541 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,180 Sometimes I think Jeff wanted me in because I was a connection to Rebecca 542 00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:16,180 those memories. 543 00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:20,080 I think it was clear that Michael didn't know how to play the guitar. 544 00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:23,280 All right, there were two stops. 545 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,440 There were two stops. But... 546 00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:27,840 It was about personalities. It was about people. 547 00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:32,660 I would have my amp really quiet. Jeff would slowly turn it back up, you know, 548 00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:33,660 and I'd get all tight. 549 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,100 He always told me not to be afraid of the mistakes. 550 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,240 Don't use your brain the way you were using it 30 seconds ago. 551 00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,120 You know, in fact, don't use it at all. 552 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,460 Matt, in particular, was just so good at following Jeff wherever Jeff was going. 553 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:53,020 That musical chemistry they had is very hard to come by. 554 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,040 My name is Jeff Buckley. This is my band, and this is our techie abode. On 555 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,540 outside, it looks like a huge black phallus of death. So Velcro. 556 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,740 Clocks. He's like, okay, I want you. 557 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:04,900 Until I got sober. 558 00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:10,580 Drugs and alcohol have been a big part of my life, which we connected on 559 00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:12,520 of, you know, his father's situation. 560 00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:21,620 It's a huge cliche that, you know, bands are like families. 561 00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:22,980 but they are. 562 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,520 The infamous American Legion Hall concert was the 563 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,180 first one that Jeff was in town since he started the tour. 564 00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:49,890 All of the relatives, the friends of the relatives, the relatives of the friends 565 00:52:49,890 --> 00:52:52,210 of the relatives all wanted to go to the concert. 566 00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:56,290 We filled the last two rows. 567 00:52:57,370 --> 00:53:04,150 The Tasmanian devil of the pack showed up and there was no beer 568 00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:08,430 left. There was nothing left. Everything was like wiped out before the show. 569 00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:12,250 Let's just say that as soon as there was an opportunity. 570 00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:18,350 To become part of the inner circle of a rock star was very attractive. 571 00:53:19,830 --> 00:53:23,590 The promoters came to me and said, we have a situation. 572 00:53:24,090 --> 00:53:31,070 I go outside and I realize it's Jeff's mother sitting in a car with one of 573 00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:33,870 her girlfriends just smoking pot. 574 00:53:34,310 --> 00:53:39,250 You know, hi, Jean, what's up? Hey, well, Mary, listen, you got to, you 575 00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:40,950 got to curtail this. You're going to get arrested. 576 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,800 And I go back inside to tell Jeff that the show is going to be canceled because 577 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,260 his mother is outside in the parking lot smoking pot. 578 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080 Hey, you know this? 579 00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:54,260 This is your big sexy son. 580 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,600 I think you should really not like set yourself up like that when you like 581 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,080 fucking light up a tube, light up a fucking joint. 582 00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:07,500 What? We're in the parking lot. It's like over there. It's California. 583 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,400 No, no, no, no, no. 584 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,380 We ended up in Iowa City and opening up for us were the Dan Builders and the 585 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:28,820 Grifters. My booking agent said Tim Buckley's son, Jeff, who had taken New 586 00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:32,020 by storm, was going to be on this tour as the headliner. 587 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,420 Joan Wasser was one of the heavyweights in the music world, being a tough -ass, 588 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:44,480 cool female coming up in the 90s through the music scene. 589 00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:53,780 Lots of power, lots of shiny, you know, lots of shiny. 590 00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:59,060 When I saw him, it was definitely a vibe. 591 00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:02,800 We were just sort of checking each other out. 592 00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:14,260 Jeff stood right in front of 593 00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:16,920 me the entire show and watched me. 594 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,900 He was rocking a, like, I'm worshiping a goddess vibe. 595 00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:33,780 Not subtle. 596 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,160 Not subtle. 597 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:42,460 And then hearing him, the thing that I thought of was, that's Nina Simone. 598 00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:10,010 He sang the whole show to me. 599 00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:11,930 It was like, 600 00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:17,630 man, this guy really knows how to work me right now. 601 00:56:19,570 --> 00:56:21,530 I was feeling like... 602 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,800 Oh, I got this, and then being like, oh, I don't got this. 603 00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:27,640 This person is too powerful. 604 00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:37,250 jockey guys were, like, making fun of me. I had this very cartoony type of 605 00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:39,290 so I was pretty used to that. 606 00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:44,950 But Jeff leapt up and said, you wouldn't know a woman if she slapped you in the 607 00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:51,090 face. I was like, oh, God, that's so romantic. I love it. And, like, fuck 608 00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:52,170 I don't need defending. 609 00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:58,850 But I came to learn that he was someone who was a really... 610 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,060 daunch defender of women. 611 00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:09,420 All people are sensitive, but his sensitivity wasn't crushed 612 00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:14,540 like some men's sensitivity has been. 613 00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:19,240 It stayed intact. 614 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,720 You're talking about two amazingly talented people who immediately 615 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,040 First thing I thought of, oh my God, they're going to become a band and it's 616 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,900 just going to rule. 617 00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:48,920 Jeff toured a lot. It was a slow growth 618 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,340 of that following. 619 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,520 We toured almost consistently for two years. 620 00:58:57,580 --> 00:59:01,180 What's life been like since Grace came out? Work, work, work, work, work, work. 621 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,580 I gotta take them out! 622 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,240 His label. 623 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,840 They wanted him to be there. 624 00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:14,260 And he was like, well, I have another idea of what that means. 625 00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:20,840 Being famous without content, that really hurts me. He did get discredited 626 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,260 certain, like, cool musicians because of the branding. 627 00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:31,270 He was chosen to be in People magazine, 50 Most Beautiful People, or whatever 628 00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:35,350 the hell that was called. The poor relative, I think one of them walked up 629 00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:39,750 him, look, Jeff, look what I've got. And he took her Sharpie and just went. 630 00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:46,170 We went to every newsstand and bought every single one. Spent hundreds of 631 00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:48,450 dollars so that no one would see it in his neighborhood. 632 00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:51,190 This entire show is dedicated to People magazine. 633 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,780 It was becoming an increasingly stressful environment. 634 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880 You're very much a public person now. How does that feel? 635 01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:09,100 Well, I'm public with a camera, but I don't like TV. 636 01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:12,840 Why does your TV station want to know about me? 637 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:28,570 Once we got to Europe, I remember we felt a little sense of relief. 638 01:00:51,850 --> 01:00:54,130 The album was doing better over there. 639 01:00:58,270 --> 01:01:03,470 Radiohead came to a show in London and was so inspired by Jeff that they left 640 01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:07,330 the concert and went right to the studio and recorded Fake Plastic Trees. 641 01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:13,850 In Paris, we went to the opera and walked along the set and went to every 642 01:01:13,850 --> 01:01:14,850 that we could. 643 01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:20,730 They fell in love with him, and who wouldn't fall in love? 644 01:01:21,050 --> 01:01:23,190 when you do justice to an Edith Pia song. 645 01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:27,610 What about Edith Pia? 646 01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:29,290 What's your attraction to her? 647 01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:33,390 Her sound, her voice. Her 648 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:40,030 sexiness, the romance, her 649 01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:41,210 tragedy. 650 01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:48,130 No one could rock like Jeff. 651 01:01:48,570 --> 01:01:50,130 But once you knew Hallelujah, 652 01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:53,620 God help you. 653 01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:57,540 This 654 01:01:57,540 --> 01:02:09,080 is 655 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,360 for Leonard, wherever you are. 656 01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:12,140 And this is for Nina Simone. 657 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,140 The secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord. 658 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,920 But you don't really care for music, do you? 659 01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:43,040 Well, it goes like this, the fourth, the fifth, the minor fall and 660 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,340 the major lift. 661 01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:47,940 The Bible came composing. 662 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,640 We were both on the road. 663 01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,000 You know, it's like so romantic, like impossibly romantic. 664 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,840 But when we were together, we created a space where 665 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,560 nothing was too scary to talk about. 666 01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:40,400 We both needed that so badly. 667 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,580 And she tied you to her kitchen chair. 668 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:49,680 She broke your throne and she cut your hair. 669 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,380 And from your lips she drew with hallelujah. 670 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,500 Hallelujah. All right. Just get rid of this. 671 01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:03,500 You sit around and play your guitar all day. 672 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,460 And you have a beautiful lady woman in your bed. 673 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:09,600 Hallelujah. 674 01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:13,520 That's true, I do. 675 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,720 The high school boys are undoubtedly living a completely pathetic life. 676 01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:27,960 We 677 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:36,020 felt 678 01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:41,000 like we found the person that we felt the most safe with. 679 01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:44,200 Nothing was off limits. 680 01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:49,930 We could just be free really for the first time. 681 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:51,190 Hallelujah! 682 01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:32,660 the connecting thread because you will do a cover of bad brains or of the smith 683 01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:38,960 or of edith piaf or probably my mindless hero worship 684 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:45,940 this is jimmy page 685 01:05:45,940 --> 01:05:50,940 and this is i'm robert plant and uh we're at the 99th festival of the tour 686 01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:54,460 europen and it's uh i don't care 687 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,960 We're at the U .S. Cannons Festival, right? 688 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,160 Easy as that. 689 01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:08,940 I don't think Jeff had ever seen the page in Planet Live. 690 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,120 My main musical influences? 691 01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:15,540 Love, anger, depression, joy, and Zeppelin. 692 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,900 It was like he was going to Mecca or something. 693 01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,900 Next stage at the festival. 694 01:06:25,660 --> 01:06:27,620 I felt something over my shoulder. 695 01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:29,300 It was like heat. 696 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:31,940 And I turned around. 697 01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:34,300 Jeff was walking towards me. 698 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,140 He put his hand on my shoulder. He said, hey, I love your slide guitar playing. 699 01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,420 Could you show me some slide guitar stuff? And I said, 700 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:46,520 well, Jeff, you could probably show me some slide guitar stuff. 701 01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:48,180 He said, no, please, show me, you know. 702 01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:52,620 And he said, hey, Page and Plant are playing. When I get off, if we go 703 01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:53,620 there, we'll make it. 704 01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:58,450 We meet at the side of the stage, and we were both really excited, obviously, to 705 01:06:58,450 --> 01:06:59,450 see them. 706 01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:06,550 After Jeff's show, I go around. 707 01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:07,790 I'm in the pit. 708 01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:13,250 We're looking for Jeff constantly. 709 01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:17,670 We're trying to watch the show. We're trying to look for Jeff. 710 01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,350 We looked up. 711 01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,760 They're just out of my periphery. 712 01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:26,680 Oh, shit. 713 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,240 There's Jeff hanging all the way up off the scaffolding. 714 01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:40,800 Zeppelin is at full throttle, and Jeff is with every decibel 715 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,200 coursing through his veins. 716 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:44,840 You could call it death to find. 717 01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:58,100 The volume of music as it passes into your body turns you into an instrument 718 01:07:58,100 --> 01:07:59,440 that your own ears hear. 719 01:08:00,060 --> 01:08:04,780 There's a great deal of comfort in the same way that a baby's greatly comforted 720 01:08:04,780 --> 01:08:05,780 by their mother. 721 01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:15,080 He looked at us and gave us a wave, like, said, like, come on up. 722 01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:17,279 Like, the water's warm. 723 01:08:21,819 --> 01:08:23,840 Music. It was my mother. 724 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,319 It was my father. 725 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:38,200 When he was back in New York, we went and saw Nusrat play 726 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,200 at Town Hall. 727 01:08:42,779 --> 01:08:45,120 After the show, we went backstage. 728 01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:48,399 Nusrat is very, like, flaccid. 729 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,300 And here was this, like, bouncing around Jeff. 730 01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:57,040 Nisra did not speak any English, and Jeff was trying to connect with him, and 731 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,160 then he just started... Oh! 732 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,680 Nisra, 733 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:14,000 like, 734 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,260 looked at him like... 735 01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:29,819 This smile came on his face and it was just instant respect and love. 736 01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:34,760 That is the universal language. 737 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,939 I didn't only just listen to things. I totally, absolutely lionized everybody 738 01:09:43,939 --> 01:09:45,439 having anything to do with it. 739 01:09:48,109 --> 01:09:52,310 Some of Jeff's heroes eventually became fans of him. 740 01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:58,330 I was at a show at Roseland where Paul McCartney and Linda McCartney came, and 741 01:09:58,330 --> 01:10:02,370 it was just amazing. There's this one shot where he's looking at me going, 742 01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:03,870 can you believe it? 743 01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:10,030 But some of the heroes also recognized his father's work as well. 744 01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:14,190 I thought it was difficult for him because, like, Linda McCartney knew his 745 01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:15,890 father better than he did. 746 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,280 In these situations, I'm hoping that I'm understood. 747 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,780 But with comparisons, I'm not understood. 748 01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:27,680 I have my own way. 749 01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:35,460 Jeff would buy all of Tim's CDs at Tower Records, listen to them, and then throw 750 01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:36,460 them out. 751 01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:44,420 Led Zeppelin was being inducted in 95 into the Rock and Roll Hall 752 01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:45,420 of Fame. 753 01:10:46,340 --> 01:10:48,860 I've never seen Jeff so starstruck. 754 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,500 And he just started pointing. 755 01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:55,180 You're the one that's been in my head all these years. 756 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:56,800 It's you. 757 01:10:58,460 --> 01:11:03,200 At one point during the evening, Robert Plant said something to Jeff like, 758 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,780 you're the greatest new singer in the world. 759 01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:10,680 It freaked Jeff out. He turned white. 760 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,400 Got up. I don't know what he did, where he went, but he was missing for like two 761 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,400 days. 762 01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:42,550 I noticed Jeff's depression started to kick in. 763 01:11:43,150 --> 01:11:44,470 Your mailbox is full. 764 01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:49,150 There was so much on his mind, but he wasn't talking about it. 765 01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:50,950 And he just felt heavy. 766 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,440 We all, like, experimented with taking drugs and stuff. 767 01:12:08,980 --> 01:12:14,360 It was sometimes a bit crazy, but, like, I never got, like, an addict vibe from 768 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,360 him at all. 769 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,100 Yeah, there was dipping and dabbling and stuff, some more than others. 770 01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:24,820 But I couldn't be around it. 771 01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:28,980 Next year, then, will that mean a new Jeff Buckley album? 772 01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:33,160 I have to work on it this year, so something will be out. 773 01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:36,450 No, you know what? I can't make any promises now. 774 01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:38,970 I'll be a corpse by then. 775 01:12:40,690 --> 01:12:43,950 Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Buckley. It's a great... Thank you, sir. 776 01:12:46,670 --> 01:12:53,650 I feel like as his fame grew, the demands of success started to irritate 777 01:12:54,930 --> 01:12:58,070 The label was kind of breathing down his back for this second album. 778 01:12:58,910 --> 01:13:03,150 I think he was weighed down by the debt that he owed them. 779 01:13:04,190 --> 01:13:09,610 millions of dollars in debt with no hits on your next record yet. 780 01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:11,930 Well, you're never going to get out of the hole. 781 01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:17,750 No one ever gets out of owing a record label money because that's how it's 782 01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:18,750 structured. 783 01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:26,290 That probably would have been very scary to Jeff, and maybe he 784 01:13:26,290 --> 01:13:32,170 thought that the type of deal that he had may have been a little bit of a deal 785 01:13:32,170 --> 01:13:33,170 with the devil sometimes. 786 01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:37,110 That's your bed, and you made it, and you have to lie in it. 787 01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:43,510 Jeff started to spiral around this fear that he has of the loss of his artistic 788 01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:44,510 freedom. 789 01:13:45,230 --> 01:13:51,870 Columbia Records meetings would be very full of pressure, you know, when Jeff 790 01:13:51,870 --> 01:13:52,910 didn't want to do something. 791 01:13:53,490 --> 01:13:57,490 Every parasite needs its host, and we are them. I'm Jeff Buckley. And I'm 792 01:13:57,490 --> 01:13:59,950 Michael Tai. And we've been guest parasite hosting tonight. 793 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,600 The label wanted the next record to come out, but they were still touring. 794 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,040 Make another album, please. 795 01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,500 Oh, my God. 796 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,880 You've taken your time, haven't you? I mean, you haven't rushed into recording 797 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,360 the follow -up album. 798 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,260 Only because of being on the road so long. Do you anticipate that it's going 799 01:14:26,260 --> 01:14:29,320 take months and months? If it takes any longer, you'll find me swinging from the 800 01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,320 news. 801 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,980 Get in the van, eight hours a day, every day. 802 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:35,360 We're like two and a half years, bro. 803 01:14:35,940 --> 01:14:37,920 Like, can I just have some fucking faith? 804 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,720 Then, I was nuts. 805 01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:48,760 I was fucking nuts. 806 01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:54,360 And the last thing I need is another nut motherfucker next to me. 807 01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:07,390 You could really feel the disconnect between Jeff and Matt. 808 01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:13,130 And I think Jeff felt like he was being abandoned by a brother. 809 01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:24,530 So Matty quit the band, said he was done. 810 01:15:27,170 --> 01:15:28,830 I myself am erratic. 811 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:35,140 Music is erratic. If people look upon music as something to have control over 812 01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:40,320 something to be uniform and predictable, then it's their funeral. 813 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:43,820 I'm going to come home. 814 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,320 I'll record, definitely. I just want to come home and experiment and get all 815 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,320 these ideas out. 816 01:15:52,660 --> 01:15:55,220 Where would you like to see yourself in 10 years, 10 years from now? 817 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,740 I don't see myself 10 years from now at all. 818 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,120 I just don't. 819 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,940 Just a blank movie screen. 820 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:08,840 Just a void. 821 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,920 What can I tell you? 822 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:21,620 I heard Grace in the summer of 96, and within two weeks, I would 823 01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:23,040 meet Jeff. 824 01:16:23,340 --> 01:16:24,900 We need a drummer we love. 825 01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:26,480 Come try out. 826 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,920 Jeff had so much fear around this record. 827 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,560 He wasn't ready. 828 01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:36,600 He's questioning everything. 829 01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:40,520 Was the first album a fluke? Am I an imposter? 830 01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:50,720 Grace was a compilation of everything that he had done until he was 27. 831 01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:56,480 You wonder, do I have another record in me? Do I need another 27 years? 832 01:16:56,740 --> 01:17:00,720 Then you had the record company guys coming down to check in on us. 833 01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:03,410 see our progress and was like, are you kidding me? 834 01:17:04,990 --> 01:17:09,510 We wanted to be able to supply the inspiration that would get him to the 835 01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:12,590 level, but I think he felt he had to do that on his own. 836 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:43,360 many of the people he admired had somehow self -destructed. 837 01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:50,180 People think that my father and the EPA is all there to talk about. 838 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:57,000 And then to have Jeff come from a father who had died young, he was really 839 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,380 trying to be healthier. 840 01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:05,180 On his 29th birthday, Jeff turned to me and said, I've now outlived my father. 841 01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:07,200 It was a really strange... 842 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,760 reality for him in the face. 843 01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:18,300 He said, I have to tell you something about me. 844 01:18:19,420 --> 01:18:20,980 I'm not going to last that long. 845 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,420 I just have to tell you what it feels like because I want to warn you. 846 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,720 And I said, I'm not going anywhere. 847 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,800 And because of his father dying, 848 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,240 I thought, of course you think that. That makes all the sense in the world. 849 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,380 At the end of three years of touring, who do you know? 850 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,200 What sort of life do you have? 851 01:19:29,180 --> 01:19:31,180 It's a little corrosive and a little frustrating. 852 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,340 And that's why I have to go away. 853 01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:37,080 I have to find some place and really think into it. 854 01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,360 Jeff found this house on Rembert Street. 855 01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:09,400 He didn't have a lawnmower, so it became overgrown. 856 01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:14,540 I would visit him for a week, a month. 857 01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,920 I remember lying with him in the grass. 858 01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:27,240 No one could see us. 859 01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:34,230 Joan had said to me, take care of Jeff, keep his feet on the ground, and I took 860 01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:35,230 that seriously. 861 01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:42,270 There seemed to be some normalcy, some grounding. 862 01:20:42,970 --> 01:20:44,750 Cooking. Some cooking, food. 863 01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:52,350 And I feel that Jeff came here where there's not as much external stimulation 864 01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:55,170 order to process. 865 01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:59,630 not just to create. 866 01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:10,470 Without ordinary life, there's no art. 867 01:21:13,630 --> 01:21:17,850 Balanced meals, reading, sleeping, relationships. 868 01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:21,270 Love. 869 01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:36,060 It felt like he felt safe there. 870 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,860 He would wear my dresses in the house sometimes and loved wearing them. 871 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:51,380 He just wanted to be anonymous and be able to talk to anybody in the 872 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:57,200 not worrying if they were talking to him because they knew who he was. 873 01:22:07,210 --> 01:22:10,390 I went to pick him up, and he was crying. 874 01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:15,430 I said, do you want to talk about what's going on? And he said it had to do with 875 01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:16,430 his mom. 876 01:22:16,930 --> 01:22:23,770 Yeah, well, one day I went to visit a friend in Los Angeles. 877 01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:25,370 I didn't have Internet at the time. 878 01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:29,170 And she had a computer, and I'll sit up with her. She said, oh, do you know, 879 01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:30,850 here's a chat room all about Jeff. 880 01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:35,090 So I sat there and read some of the comments, and they were just a bunch of 881 01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:36,090 bullshit. 882 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,080 So I said, hi, I'm his mom. I want you to know none of that is true. 883 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,520 Well, that did not go over well. 884 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,880 It got back to his manager that I was, you know, dealing with the fan club and 885 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,680 saying things that he didn't want me to say, et cetera, et cetera, and he got 886 01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,740 really pissed at me. 887 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,580 Oh, yeah, Mama, you've got to fucking grow up, all right? 888 01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:07,990 He can't be a girl anymore, Ma. He's got to be a woman. 889 01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:09,790 I had to be the man. 890 01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:11,670 I had to be the man in your house. 891 01:23:13,730 --> 01:23:18,050 Just get the anger and the pain that was rested upon you to get rid of that 892 01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:19,050 shit. 893 01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:20,910 Because that's in me. 894 01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,310 Everything you experienced at home, it's in me. 895 01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:27,490 And that's how I know how to hurt people. 896 01:23:31,450 --> 01:23:33,310 We've never had a falling out. 897 01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:35,480 And it was serious. 898 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,980 And we didn't spend Christmas together that year. He went to Northern 899 01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:41,820 and spent it with his stepdad. 900 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:56,940 Jeff got real serious and turned, took my hand, looked down, very 901 01:23:56,940 --> 01:24:01,620 dejected, and said very quietly, I don't know how to be a man. 902 01:24:14,539 --> 01:24:21,080 He was looking at who raised him and formed his ability to 903 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,240 deal with life on a day -to -day basis. 904 01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:29,980 He was looking for answers, really, from a ghost, from his father. 905 01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:47,190 And I've caught on foreign sounds for you. 906 01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:50,710 Jeff could shift gears, though, very quickly. 907 01:24:55,670 --> 01:25:01,970 His mind worked like a radio that was tuned to all frequencies at once. 908 01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:11,470 How you doing? 909 01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:12,750 Hi. 910 01:25:23,769 --> 01:25:26,530 He said, I realized something. 911 01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:28,770 I think I'm manic depressive. 912 01:25:30,010 --> 01:25:33,830 I didn't know what that meant. I thought immediately of the Jimi Hendrix song. 913 01:25:42,270 --> 01:25:45,290 We just, I didn't, and nobody did then. 914 01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:55,830 He was in a really heightened state and was having really disturbing visions, 915 01:25:56,350 --> 01:25:59,070 like visiting the devil. 916 01:25:59,730 --> 01:26:06,030 He took me into the attic. There was a dead bird laying on the floor and his 917 01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:07,110 black skull candle. 918 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,900 He sent a fax to the office, and he's like, I got the cover for the next 919 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,440 We comment, and this is too X -rated. We can't send this to Sony. 920 01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,760 He said that he dreamed he had a brain tumor, and he thought that he was going 921 01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:27,760 to die. 922 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,080 It was what I understand now to be a psychotic break. 923 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,580 The same thing was going on with Hendrix and Joplin and Martin. 924 01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:42,420 chemical imbalance mixed with some sort of trauma that's only sustainable for so 925 01:26:42,420 --> 01:26:46,180 much time until either it gets fixed or it fixes you. 926 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,360 I'll never forget, he always said, I'm not going to end up like my father with 927 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,380 tag on my toe. 928 01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:05,600 Jeff had gone to the zoo numerous times and loved the butterfly house. 929 01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:16,420 But he felt like the guy working in the butterfly house was mistreating the 930 01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:17,420 chrysalis. 931 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,240 He felt he could be more gentle. 932 01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:42,090 The last conversation we had, he woke me up with a phone call. 933 01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:50,910 He was wanting to clarify the past. 934 01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:59,450 He was apologizing. 935 01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:04,710 I remember saying, it takes two, you know. 936 01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,080 to mess things up the way we did, and it's all good. 937 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,160 He said he was doing work on his childhood and that they were looking for 938 01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,140 someone to help him, presumably a counselor. 939 01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:19,820 I'm going to work my ass off, baby. 940 01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:22,340 I'll see you on the other side. 941 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:29,060 For like two weeks, he, like, called everybody he knew just to, like, have 942 01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:30,640 contact. 943 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:39,780 I remembered him calling me and saying, I realized that you were right about 944 01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:45,000 stuff, and, you know, I wasn't even sure what he meant by that, and I didn't 945 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,760 know how to follow it up, and it's sad. 946 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,640 Jeff was very quiet and didn't say anything. 947 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,420 I told him I loved him. 948 01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:05,050 I said to him, I 949 01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:07,610 have photos of you from your childhood. 950 01:29:08,230 --> 01:29:11,250 Would you like me to send them to you? 951 01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:14,870 And like in a really soft voice, he said, I'd like that. 952 01:29:17,210 --> 01:29:23,750 I said, you just got to let go and not care if mistakes 953 01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:24,750 are made. 954 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:48,060 Barristers became his second Sinead of a kind, where 955 01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:54,240 he could go and work out music without having 956 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:59,300 the entirety of, say, New York City find out about it. 957 01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:05,180 I have been everything on stage. 958 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,880 I've been wrong. I've been completely ugly. I've been stupid. I've been... 959 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,560 Angry I've been totally in love. I've been beautiful. I've been hideous. 960 01:30:13,980 --> 01:30:20,920 I've lost my pants But I've never been bored I've never been dead 961 01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:27,840 on thing I've never been dead He 962 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:33,740 left my answering machine Michael starting to click it starting to feel 963 01:30:33,740 --> 01:30:35,000 way the gray song felt 964 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,360 He hadn't played anyone, any of it. 965 01:30:40,940 --> 01:30:47,400 His band was joining him really soon to start recording the record. 966 01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:52,360 Sometimes a song gets into you and just gets into you. 967 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,340 It just happens to you in a moment. 968 01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,000 Me, Michael, and Mick each got a four -track tape. 969 01:31:11,499 --> 01:31:16,540 I could feel that those songs had come from a very pure place. 970 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,880 He was doing it all on headphones. 971 01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,740 I said, Jeff, you could get speakers and it would fill the room. 972 01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:39,900 He got where he needed to go. 973 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,180 He's like, I want to open up a bank account, buy this house, and I want to 974 01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:52,180 car. 975 01:31:52,700 --> 01:31:58,060 He was really happy and having so much fun. 976 01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:17,960 Jeff was supposedly on their way to the rehearsal space. 977 01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,360 He was with the guitar tech, Fody. 978 01:32:24,260 --> 01:32:27,300 They ended up going down to Wolf River. 979 01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:30,440 It was typical Jeff. 980 01:32:30,740 --> 01:32:34,040 He thought, oh, it's so beautiful, I'm going to go in fully clothed. 981 01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:38,040 No one swims down there. It's muddy. 982 01:32:38,260 --> 01:32:40,260 I don't know about currents. There were boats. 983 01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:46,450 He was listening to a whole lot of love. Why? 984 01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:47,870 Led Zeppelin. 985 01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:52,730 Love, anger, depression, joy. 986 01:32:55,250 --> 01:32:56,250 And Zeppelin. 987 01:33:15,980 --> 01:33:20,860 He probably went in the water as soon as we hit the tarmac. 988 01:33:24,500 --> 01:33:27,580 We got to the house, and it was kind of in disarray. 989 01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:33,280 I kept thinking I was going to hear this green door squeak open in the back and 990 01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,280 slam, you know? 991 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,280 And then he'd come to the kitchen, and we'd be like, oh, and he'd be like, 992 01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,360 what's up? 993 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,980 Gene picks up the phone, and... 994 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,280 Just said, let's go. 995 01:33:51,020 --> 01:33:52,720 I thought he just swam across. 996 01:33:54,980 --> 01:33:57,460 It was very quiet and peaceful down there. 997 01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,300 The sun's setting. You know, it's going to be dusk. 998 01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:06,360 Now there's like helicopters. 999 01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:20,750 I picked up the phone and said, hello, and someone said, this is Memphis Police 1000 01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:21,750 Department. 1001 01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:25,670 And I said, I'm coming. 1002 01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:38,410 The car pulled up in front, and it was Sergeant Mary Grace Johnson 1003 01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:40,270 of the Homicide Department. 1004 01:34:41,730 --> 01:34:45,630 And she said, you know, we have to have the sunshine. 1005 01:34:47,820 --> 01:34:49,180 Because that'll bring the body. 1006 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:53,960 If we want to find him. 1007 01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:32,770 I was sitting in his attic two or three days after he went into the river, and I 1008 01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:39,690 just remember breathing in, and my breath, like, just kept going in. Like, 1009 01:35:39,730 --> 01:35:44,150 I just, I had, like, the biggest inhalation that I've ever had, and I 1010 01:35:44,190 --> 01:35:49,510 like, my lungs puffing up with air and, like, my spine straightening, you know. 1011 01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:55,490 And something switched in me, and I... 1012 01:35:56,300 --> 01:35:59,620 Kind of felt like he was gone. 1013 01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,880 Singer -songwriter Jeff Buckley's body finally surfaced late Wednesday 1014 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,940 at the foot of Memphis' famed musical corridor, Beale Street. 1015 01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,900 As a friend watched helplessly from shore, Buckley disappeared under the 1016 01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:23,900 a passing boat. 1017 01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,680 The irony wasn't lost on anyone that a man who lived for his music would be 1018 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,940 found dead at the foot of Beale Street where he'd performed before. 1019 01:36:37,180 --> 01:36:39,260 I was in Texas visiting family. 1020 01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:44,500 I was staring at Bray's Bayou, watching the water. 1021 01:36:45,820 --> 01:36:47,760 That was the same time when Jeff died. 1022 01:36:55,050 --> 01:36:56,510 It was more than I could bear. 1023 01:37:03,150 --> 01:37:03,750 It 1024 01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:10,750 was an 1025 01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:17,110 undertow. The Army Corps of Engineers had actually specifically dug that 1026 01:37:17,110 --> 01:37:21,030 area out to keep it clear of debris, so it dropped off. 1027 01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:26,790 Obviously, being fully clothed and weighted and out there for about 20 1028 01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:30,150 plus an undertow, his drowning made sense. 1029 01:37:32,050 --> 01:37:36,530 Hallelujah, hallelujah, 1030 01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:43,150 hallelujah, hallelujah. 1031 01:37:46,410 --> 01:37:50,270 The autopsy report said he had a beer in his system. That's it. 1032 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,300 Rolling Stone to please publish the report to show that drugs had nothing to 1033 01:37:56,300 --> 01:37:57,059 with it. 1034 01:37:57,060 --> 01:38:01,360 But the shame is that the story was very sensationalistic. It was very much 1035 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,540 like, well, we don't know. 1036 01:38:02,780 --> 01:38:08,700 And unfortunately, I can't tell you how many people I've ran into in the last 20 1037 01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:12,120 -something years who are like, oh yeah, he died of drugs, or oh, he followed in 1038 01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,120 his father's footsteps. 1039 01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,560 Jeff was one of the greatest singers of all time. 1040 01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:43,400 I 1041 01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:50,280 didn't fully 1042 01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,480 comprehend how dope he was when he was alive. 1043 01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:01,000 It was my first band, and he was my boy, and everything just felt natural. 1044 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:08,140 It was a perfect example of, you know, youth is wasted on the young. 1045 01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:27,560 He had said, you should come out to Memphis. It's beautiful here. 1046 01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,300 And I said, when your record's done, I'd really love that. 1047 01:39:44,490 --> 01:39:46,430 We were so young. 1048 01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:54,770 Like, you know, all of those things that felt so urgent and scary, 1049 01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:56,450 those fall away. 1050 01:39:59,970 --> 01:40:06,750 And, you know, I would have loved to see him have 1051 01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:07,950 those things fall away. 1052 01:41:00,890 --> 01:41:05,030 Mom, you know, anybody can be famous, baby. 1053 01:41:06,330 --> 01:41:10,650 Anybody can be fucking famous, baby. But it takes a real spirit. 1054 01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:12,670 You hear me? 1055 01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:16,850 It takes a real spirit to raise a kid. 1056 01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:20,570 And he brought me into the world. 1057 01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:39,920 Yeah. 1058 01:43:46,250 --> 01:43:47,250 Thank you, everybody. 1059 01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:48,590 Good night. 1060 01:43:54,910 --> 01:43:56,130 You were beautiful. 1061 01:43:57,210 --> 01:43:58,450 Thanks a lot. I love you. 1062 01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:27,760 Why do you think I did not all this with love? 1063 01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:34,560 Like I kissed you, lines of escape in my... 1064 01:45:47,219 --> 01:45:48,800 I am your fail. 1065 01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:53,820 I'm your contender. I'm your long shot. Come on, please. 1066 01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,900 Stream you with an arm. 1067 01:45:57,820 --> 01:45:59,820 There's a world too many explosions. 86034

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