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Cuando yo lo conocí.

Y yo tenía 17 años.

No me acuerdo si con el nombre sabía que era alguien.

En ese momento conocí nada más la persona.

No me he referido a él nunca diciéndole el chavo.

Yo le decía mi amor.

Joaquin El Chapo Guzman. Public enemy number one. He's known as the head of

notorious Sinaloa drug cartel. The largest drug trafficking organization in

world. El Chapo became almost mythological when he escapes through a

Guzman was last seen on a security camera entering a shower area, slipped

hole, into an elaborate tunnel. He becomes the goat of prison escapes.

I mean, you can't make things like that up. It's something that would be, like,

written for the movies.

They had put out a manhunt for him.

And then Chapo was arrested.

Finally back in custody after 13 years on the run. And he is very quickly

extradited to the U .S.

The narco -trafficker trial of the century.

The constant fixture in the courtroom has been Guzman's wife of more than 10

years. Former beauty queen. Beauty queen. Former beauty queen, Emma

There's an idea in daily journalism of the get, the best thing that you could

possibly have in the street, and that was her. All our editors were like, get

her.

People wanted to know how this young lady was married to this man who was

significantly older. 18 and 50 people thought that was just gross.

There was a cloud of suspicion around her.

She herself is just one small step removed from bloodshed.

Witness testimonies portray him as a killer.

Authorities attribute 10 ,000 murders to El Chapo's gang.

You can't make this glamorous life on the souls of the people that have been

tortured and killed and not expect to have to answer to it.

There's a sense at any moment that she could be implicated.

And in fact, we know that later she was.

The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord arrested Monday.

That was an interesting mind shift when people stopped looking just at Chapo and

started looking at her.

There's so much she hasn't shared. What she saw and what she learned.

Who is this woman?

What exactly is her role here? Is she really kind of a mastermind?

Or is she a victim of circumstances beyond her control?

Drug kingpin Joaquin El Chapo Guzman are being held at the federal courthouse in

Brooklyn this morning. He's known as the head of the notorious Sinaloa drug

cartel, the largest drug trafficking organization in the world.

I was working as a crime reporter, and I got a call from my editor, and he was

like, you speak Spanish, right? And I was like, yes. And he's like, do you

to cover El Chapo's trial?

And I immediately said yes. This is, you know, the trial of the century.

I remember a lot of police.

waiting for a war or something. A lot of journalists outside.

It's the New York press corps, the national press corps, it's all of the

language press, all getting there before dawn, lined up.

I spent nights sleeping in a sleeping bag, waiting to get in.

There was this huge energy, in part because of the fame and notoriety.

authorities were terrified that he would somehow escape again.

But really, it was the trial of the century because no capo had ever done

before. Gone to trial and had everything splayed out.

El Chapo pleaded not guilty. He's facing serious counts here, including drug

making, distribution, running a criminal enterprise. That he engaged in murder

conspiracy. Drug and gun charges. And money laundering.

An avalanche of evidence.

56 witnesses. Full of graphic testimony on how prosecutors say the drug lord

carried out his operation.

Involved in gruesome murders.

Known to personally torture and kill his enemies.

If Guzman is found guilty, he will spend the rest of his life in a federal

prison.

The more I watched Emma while everybody else watched Chapo, I became convinced

she was a more interesting story.

There was lots of debate among all of us about what exactly is her role here.

We're analyzing literally any little tidbit, every reaction, every outfit.

We have to make notes.

What she was wearing every day, and I did it in my case against my will.

Yes, her outfits were great, but there was more to her than that.

We would watch her during the proceeding for details that might somehow

implicate her.

If there's a gruesome murder being discussed, each and every one of us in

courtroom was eagle -eyed to try to see if there were tears in her eyes.

She was very...

She didn't react. She didn't move an earth on her face.

That's when you find out that she's not normal people.

Parece como si no sufriera, que no tuviera sangre en las venas.

Pero en ese tiempo yo sentí, para protegerme a mí misma, que era lo

poner como una máscara.

Pues por seguridad, privacidad, prefiero mantenerme un poco reservada en esa

situación de mi casa, mi dirección.

Me estoy expresando de esta forma que tal vez nunca me había expresado.

Si ya les caigo mal, ya es la que realmente soy.

Cometí errores.

No fui perfecta.

Pero ya pagué por mis errores y de lo que soy responsable ahora es de lo que

haga de aquí en adelante.

Mm -hmm.

Mm

-hmm.

Casi. Soy 100 % mexicana.

Yo nací en California, pero de bebé me llevaron a México.

Me crié en un rancho en el estado de Durango.

Vivía en mi casa con mis papás, mis tres hermanos.

No había agua potable, no había electricidad, y por supuesto que no

televisión. Estábamos realmente...

I grew up seeing and

thinking that the government was bad.

It's like you either die of hunger or you do what you have to do to survive.

After the trial, I wanted to see a different perspective.

So I went to Mexico.

Emma wasn't there, but I met up with her family.

I said, you know, I've seen the trial, now I want to see the other side.

And they said, okay.

When she was 17, Emma wanted to be a model and decided to run

for this pageant.

In order to campaign for votes, she would attend these local parties.

The parties leading up to the beauty pageant had a reputation.

A lot of narcos will come to, you know, watch the young ladies, right?

These are teenage girls and these are men, some of them rather old men.

That person wants to dance with you.

A man.

And he said, my name is Joaquin.

I don't remember if I knew his name.

Whenever I say it, he says, how can you not know?

How can you not know if it's on TV?

I didn't have a TV.

Damn, where was I going to see it?

Chapo, at which point, is already a fugitive after this violent incident at

Guadalajara airport.

So in 1993, when Emma is three years old, El Chapo is involved in a high

-profile shootout, resulting in the death of the Cardinal of Mexico.

Chapo is arrested.

He is put in a high -security prison, and that was the end of it.

Until his first escape, when she was 11 years old.

And from that moment on, there was a bounty on his head, and he became a

narco. He has this larger -than -life outlaw story.

Chapo Guzman actually invented the border tunnel. Drug tunnel carrying a

of drugs into the United States.

Everybody was looking for Chapo. His face was on the TV, on the newspapers.

Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo, Chapo.

Nobody knows.

How many times they tried to catch him?

Todo el mundo dice, ay, qué padre, Joaquín fue a visitarte en un

wow.

Y yo nada más pensando, ya me volaste toda la ropa, ya me llenaste todo de

polos. Pero fue en plan de amistad.

Estaba hablando en general con todo el mundo, preguntando cómo va lo del

reinado. Y nada, estuvo ahí máximo una hora y se fue.

De nuevo con su salida triunfal.

The A's coincidíamos en fiestas.

Por supuesto que está muy guapo, interesante, energético.

Fue lo que hizo que llamara mi atención, que me interesara estar cerca de él.

Y en alguna fiesta de esas fue cuando ya nos hicimos novios.

Sinceramente, la Emma de esos tiempos...

No sé si realmente pensaba mucho en el futuro o nada más estaba viviendo y

sobreviviendo en el presente.

Pues es que estaba chiquita, era como más inmadura, sin experiencia.

Y él tenía 50 años.

Y él, siendo mayor, ¿tu mamá te decía algo de la edad o de alguna cosa? ¿Te

comentaban? Pues no tenían que decirme nada porque yo lo estaba viendo.

Chapo and Emma continued their relationship.

The beauty pageant votes come in, and she wins.

She is crowned Reina of the Festival in February, and in July of that same

year, her 18th birthday, she's married to El Chapo.

¿Cómo te sientes de energía? ¿Estás bien? ¿Estás cansada?

No me brinda emoción por hablar de la boda ni hablar de mi vida. No me siento

nada. Es un aburrimiento para mí estar hablando de eso. Porque ya fue algo que

por lo que yo ya viví, fui a la cárcel. Para mí hablar de todo eso no es algo

que diga que me provoque algo ya. Más que tristeza.

When you have an 18 -year -old married to one of the most powerful drug dealers

of all time, you get about as little agency as possible.

You know, if you believe in Me Too at all, 18 and 50, that was the growth

dynamic from an age perspective, from a power standpoint.

That's not a man you say no to.

The wedding makes headlines.

Local politicians are there. There's lots of interest. So, of course, Mexican

authorities, you know, descend on the town.

The wedding makes headlines. There's lots of interest. So, of course, Mexican

authorities descend on the town looking for El Chapo.

He was just ahead of the game.

I started with DEA in 1987.

And by the early 90s, one of our main targets was Chapo Guzman.

By 2007,

He'd already been indicted in the United States for trafficking massive amounts

of cocaine.

We always would work with the Mexican authorities.

The problem was back then, corruption is just such an integral part of how the

law enforcement works. We knew that people were tipping him off, saying,

go here, be sure to go there.

It was a cat and mouse game, except the mouse had all the cards.

We first heard of Emma right about the time of the marriage.

A lot of us had daughters that were Emma's age.

And she's Mary Chapa, the most wanted man probably in the Western Hemisphere,

not the world.

I think as a parent, you kind of like get that stomach twist.

Oh, that's not good.

After they married, Emma moved to Culiacan.

It's the capital of Sinaloa. It's also the capital of cartel headquarters.

And during this time, El Chapo is mostly hiding off in the mountains.

Even though they were both in Mexico, it was a long -distance marriage.

So a lot of it happens over text, and a lot of it is actually logistics.

para encontrarlo a él o obtener información sobre él cuando me iba a la

visitarlo. Tenía que dejar todos mis teléfonos en mi casa por si acaso me los

estaban checando.

Las personas que se encargaron de manejar tenía sus técnicas.

Había veces que tenía que salir en un carro.

Luego entraron a tienda, salir por la puerta de atrás, subir en otro carro.

Después, teníamos que volar en avioneta.

Él tenía muchos amigos en diferentes ranchos en el estado de Durango, que

obviamente no hay aeropuertos, son pistas chiquitas clandestinas.

Remembering the moments you spent together, what did you like to do?

Well, in reality, there's not much you can do on Earth. Gaviota!

He really liked reading novels.

The one he liked the most was Gaviota.

Gaviota!

He's a great singer.

He's in the shower singing, he's walking and singing.

No soy muy buena cocinera, pero siempre le ha gustado que le cocinen chiladas.

Joaquín también fue criado en un rancho.

Entonces, la forma que las hacíamos nosotros, los mismos ingredientes que

su mamá para hacerlas.

Para mí esa era la vida normal.

Ahora me doy cuenta que no era normal.

Si es muy difícil llevar una relación, más cuando se tienen muchas diferencias

de años.

Siento que él solo fue el que llevó la relación y yo nada más actuaba como una

niña chiquita.

Para él yo era la mujer más hermosa del mundo.

Pero pues, conforme fue pasando el tiempo, me enamoré.

The time when Emma was married to El Chapo, you see this explosion of brutal,

visceral violence in Mexico's criminal landscape.

Joaquín Chapo Guzmán is currently at war with the Juarez cartel, with the Gulf

cartel, and with Arturo Beltán Leyva.

Local newspapers almost daily have headlines of the bloody violence of the

cartels.

In the past few years, Mexico has become one of the most dangerous places on

Earth.

They are

the reason of a lot of death in Mexico and in the U .S.

I believe they don't care about the people, and the normal people care about

people. They don't. Chapo was in charge of dead squads that went to kill people

who were loyal to the other fractions.

That kind of brutal violence, up to the ante, I'm sure viewers will remember the

tossing of heads onto a dance floor, bodies hanging off bridges around that

time.

That's the terror they bring.

The innocent people, they were in a constant state of fear or terror.

People want to know what Emma witnessed and what she learned during her time

with El Chapo.

I remember that there was an impressive violence.

Until now, thank God, I haven't had to be in any event.

Let's say that I've had to see someone who lost their life.

I've never, never had to be in an event.

What were you talking about as a couple?

He was talking about your work, let's say.

No se sentaba a hablarme de su trabajo, ni tampoco yo se lo preguntaba, ni

tampoco lo miré trabajando.

O sea, nunca lo escuché alterado.

Él siempre estaba de muy buen ánimo.

Estábamos como que viviendo el día a día, tomando las oportunidades que se

para vernos.

So over the next few years, Emma and Chapo continue this long -distance

relationship while he keeps evading the authorities.

Quiero ser mamá.

Y él dijo, OK, te mando a dos.

Me di cuenta que las dos eran niñas.

Él muy emocionado porque le encantan las niñas.

Yo emocionada de poder ser mamá. No me importaba si era niño o niña o niño y

niño, o sea.

I think you see Emma take agency only really a few times in her early story.

And one of those times is when she's pregnant with her twin daughters.

We tried to keep a bead on everyone that was in his circle.

He didn't seem to be focused on Emma.

We get word from a lookout that Emma and her family members have come in to the

United States.

We envision Chapo coming through one of the tunnels and coming up and visiting

her and the twins in the hospital.

And if we were thinking he was going to show up and visit, then one of the

cartels he was at war with might think he's going to show up and visit. And the

last thing we wanted was another Guadalajara airport massacre happening

the United States.

We envisioned Chapo coming through one of the tunnels and visiting her and the

twins in the hospital.

Would he do it? I don't know.

It's like playing the lottery. You can't win unless you buy a ticket.

We didn't have probable cause to arrest or detain them at the time.

And it's not illegal to be married to a drug lord.

But we set up surveillance around the hospital, partially to catch Chapo,

partially as a security to make sure everything stays safe.

Y ya después como, yo creo que fueron 15 días y me regresé a México.

Fue cuestión de días que fuimos a visitarlo y ya los conoció.

Estaba identificando a quién se iban a aparecer.

Pues emocionado con sus hijas.

Entonces lo filtraron a los medios.

It's a pretty intimidating position to be in, I think, for her. If rivals are

trying to get to your husband and those rivals get hold of you instead.

common for violence to be meted out against the women of powerful narcos.

Rape is a part of that. Body mutilation is a part of that.

You know, to send a message to the powerful men that they're associated

Y luego pienso en mis hijas y digo, ay, pero no tuviera mis hijas. Y qué es lo

mejor que me ha pasado.

Pero, seamos claros, si yo no me hubiera casado con él, mis papás

y mis hermanos nunca hubieran ido a la cárcel.

There's a lot of myth that shrouds Emma's family. We know much more about

of her family after El Chapo than before.

Her father, he was certainly trafficking drugs afterwards. There's text

exchanges that go to that that were brought into the court record at El

trial.

Inés Coronel Barrera está identificado como padre de Emma Coronel Aispuro,

esposa de Joaquín Guzmán Loera.

Mi papá y mi hermano mayor los detuvieron.

Ellos estuvieron 10 años en la cárcel.

Yo me sentía muy culpable.

¿Por qué exactamente te sentías culpable tú?

Por yo haberme casado con una persona que...

At this point, Emma is dealing with a lot, with the arrest of her father and

brother.

There is this sense that the Mexican authorities are closing in.

There would, of course, have been the fear that she was going to also lose her

husband. And then beyond all that, also knowing that there had been other women.

He had had wives before her and never divorced them.

And there's also infidelity.

Reams and reams of cheating.

He didn't do drugs. He didn't really drink.

But he ate Viagra like candy. He was addicted to women.

Chapo, he moved from different hideouts in the mountains.

But the problem was, again, women.

When he went from the mountains to the cities to meet them.

Had he stayed in the mountains, we would still be looking for him today.

In 2014, Operation Gargoyle kicks off.

We are teamed up with CMAR, the Mexican Marines, one of the most highly

trained, efficient special forces group in the world.

The DEA.

On the ground there, it's the strongest I've ever worked with.

It was kind of the perfect storm. Everything was coming together.

We get the information about Kua Khan that Chapo was in that area.

They find out from informants that Chapo has seven houses, all connected by the

tunnels in the sewer system.

And he hides in different houses.

And as the team is clearing the various houses,

They find an RPG, several guns, tons of methamphetamine, a bunch of

plastic bananas and stuff so they could hide cocaine in it.

And then finally they found a house that Choppa was at.

They're clearing the house.

And they don't find anyone inside.

But as they get in, they find an escape hatch underneath the bathtub.

As they were reaching the house, Chapo and his mistress, Lucero, went down the

tunnel and took off through the sewers.

He slipped out of a bathroom trap door, down these stairs, into these

underground tunnels as Mexican authorities tried to break down a steel

Four days passed.

There were some people who thought, okay, he's gone.

But the Mexican Marines and the DEA keep the pursuit, and they keep monitoring

all the communications.

And we find out that Chapo's in Mazala.

El Chapo is...

in disguise, and he's wheeled into the Hotel Miramar in a wheelchair, and he's

wearing sunglasses, and he's hunkered down in the wheelchair.

And they usher him up to the fourth floor.

Él también dijo que él iba de una persecución que había tenido en la

Culiacán.

Y también pensé, bueno, pues, ¿por qué no esperaste que se estuviera un poco

calmado para llevarnos?

Desde que tuve mis hijas, pues, yo tampoco quería estar en una situación y

correr peligro.

Que tenía miedo que el gobierno pudiera llegar.

They get there, they find a hotel.

They surround the Miramar.

They're pretty much convinced there's not a tunnel issue here because he's on

the fourth floor.

Yo creo que es el momento que más miedo he sentido, porque también pues al lado

estaban mis hijas.

Entonces de miedo a la muerte creo que fue en esos momentos.

Ya él que escuchó que me estaban ya como aventando con las armas, ya salió y

dijo, ya, ya, aquí estoy, aquí estoy.

Kapo was captured without a shot.

No one was hurt.

That's the biggest victory you could have.

Hoy,

a las 6 .40 de la mañana, elementos de la Secretaría de Marina detuvieron a

Joaquín Guzmán Loera.

Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, on the run for 13 years. His arrest tonight being

called the biggest setback to the drug trade in three decades.

We were all really surprised that he hung around.

He stayed in Mazlan.

It was just amazing to us that someone who was so tactically smart would do

something so tactically dumb.

It kind of gave breath to the theory that Emma was truly his weakness.

If it was so important for him to see her, that's what got him captured.

Buscando un taxi, nadie tenía dinero.

Convenció a un taxista en la calle, literal, que nos llevara.

Le inventamos una historia que nos habían asaltado.

No sé si se la creyó o no, pero lo convencimos de que nos llevara hasta

Culiacán.

Dijo que estaba muy peligroso ahorita por lo que acaba de pasar.

¿Y nosotros qué acaba de pasar?

Ella nos contó que habían arrestado.

Emma was watching her family drop off like flies.

All the most important men in her life gone in a year's time. And her power at

that time was very much rooted in her connections to these important men.

So losing them was going to forever change her life.

I was thanking God that we were alive. He was also alive.

He made history very different.

After his arrest, many people went out to protest.

In certain parts of Mexican society, you do have this hero worship around El

Chapo. It's sort of like a view to the government and the systems that keep

people down.

If you go to cities like Culiacan, if you go to the markets, you can buy

anything from, like, caps and key rings and mugs and T -shirts to a miniature

figurine of El Chapo with an AK -47.

El Chapo was born into grinding poverty and then made it onto the Forbes

rich list.

That, to a lot of people, is a rags -to -riches story to aspire to.

El Chapo has cashed in on drug smuggling to the tune of a billion dollars,

according to Forbes magazine.

He is not available for interviews because he's on the run.

I mean,

how could she not have known about the money?

Yes, there was money.

I think she came to appreciate the lifestyle of designer clothes and nice

and all of that.

You can't make this life on the souls of the people that have been tortured and

killed by the Sinaloa cartel and not expect to have to answer to it.

If you want to be like, when can we lay the blame? When can we say this was her

fault?

Is she complicit in her husband's crimes?

At this point, Emma's in her 20s, and now this is the father of her children.

So, you know, what was she supposed to do? Like, you can't leave that marriage.

I would imagine for a woman in her position, it was very hard to say no to

helping advance El Chapo's business, especially, you know, when he was in

prison.

El Chapo is taken to a high -security prison called Altiplano, and it's one of

the highest security prisons in all of Mexico.

He has a cell to himself.

Emma has moved into a town nearby and comes and visits often.

But her visits to him at Altiplano would later have a huge impact on both his

life and hers.

Estar visitándolo constantemente en una cárcel.

Pues tomé muchas responsabilidades que la verdad me mantenían muy, muy

estresada.

En ese momento también pensaste, aquí se va a quedar para toda la vida.

No, sabía que no era de por vida porque él decía, todo va a estar bien,

pronto voy a salir.

And in July of 2015, El Chapo goes

to his shower and flips down a

hole. This is all caught, you know, on video camera.

Tonight, the top drug dealer in the world has done it again. For the second

time, he just staged a spectacular escape.

Escapó de la cárcel de máxima seguridad.

I remember just being completely, like, incredulous

that he would escape in such a fashion.

You just can't make things like that up.

¿Cómo pasó? ¿Cómo lo viviste? ¿Cómo fue lo que pasó?

Pues se escapó, se escapó.

Yo no estaba ahí, pero se escapó.

Todo eso lo transmitieron en vivo, en la tele. Todo eso está en la historia.

Estoy contando lo que yo también miré en la tele porque yo no estuve adentro

para ver lo del proceso. Se escapó por un túnel de una cárcel de máxima

seguridad en México por la regadera.

Entonces, ¿qué más te digo?

O sea, tú sabías de ese plan.

¿Cómo te enteraste, mejor dicho, por la primera vez?

She can't really talk about the escape for fears of, you know, legal

repercussions.

I mean, she's still on probation, and I don't think Emma wants to draw any more

attention to what her role might have played in El Chapo's escape.

Search continues for him as we get a better sense of the complexity of the

tunnel through which he made his escape.

He becomes the goat of prison escapes.

Gets this worldwide publicity.

It's the second escape for the notorious drug kingpin.

Now Chapo's escape raises serious questions about potential corruption at

prison. Everybody was laughing and saying, come on, Chapo escaped again?

Yep.

He did.

Every aspect of this escape was very well thought out.

Figuring out how far away they needed to start the tunnel, the land that they

would need to get so that they had full access to that area.

Guzman was last seen on a security camera entering a shower area. He

into a 20 by 20 inch hole down a ladder into an elaborate tunnel made of wood

and PVC pipe.

And the tunnel itself is ventilated.

He has a motorbike. He can just go the mile distance through the tunnel.

This is easy. This is set up. This is planned.

It's something that would be like written for the movies.

At the time, I was covering news in Mexico, and the entire press corps was

like, disbelieving and amused.

It had to be literally one of the most embarrassing things for the Mexican

government in probably decades, for them to say, OK, now we have him, oops, he's

gone.

He just goes right back to the life that he'd had before he'd been incarcerated.

Today, pictures surfaced on social media purporting to show Guzman after his

escape. It obviously went to his head, and that actually kind of worked out in

our advantage.

He becomes a little bit more almost flaunting that they can't get him. He

invites, you know, Kate DelCascio and Sean Penn to come visit him while he's

hiding to talk about making a movie about his life.

And there's all these photos of them together.

Him meeting with Sean Penn and Mr. Castillo, that was something Ciampa

have done years before.

And that eventually leads to Sean Penn's interview in the article in Rolling

Stone.

You don't invite famous people to come hang out with you while you're in hiding

if you're, you know, really doing it well.

At that point, I think he just thought he was Teflon.

He just got very sloppy.

I was stunned that he would risk our trip.

I was stunned.

10 days before Christmas, my daughters and I had been with him, throwing

fireworks at a dinner with another friend and her husband, with her

daughter.

And that was the last time I saw him.

Two weeks later, investigators are hot on the trail of El Chapo once again.

We're relying heavily on electronic monitoring. That's the big thing.

We develop intelligence that a safe house is being built for Chapo and Los

Muchis.

And we get the information that Grandma is coming.

And that's the new code name for Chapo.

And the next thing you know...

Chapo ordered a whole bunch of tacos and had them brought to the house.

The Mexican Marines stormed the door.

Immediately, a firefight breaks out.

This time, he's not with his

wife and children, and he is ultimately detained and arrested.

El día de hoy las fuerzas federales lograron la captura de Joaquín Guzmán

Loera, el prófugo más buscado del mundo.

El Chapo's capture ends the biggest manhunt in Mexican history.

He was apprehended in Mexico six months after he tunneled his way out.

El

Chapo's

capture ends the biggest manhunt in Mexican history.

It was a shock for me when I realized.

It's as if suddenly, at the same time as so much stress, where was my head?

I think I was everywhere, but not where I should have been.

De nuevo fui a visitarlo y pues todo fue mucho más complicado, más

estresante.

Llegaron como un día normal, le tocaron la puerta, le dijeron cámbiate porque

nos vamos, sin saber a dónde.

As you look into his eyes, you can see the surprise.

You can see the shock.

And to a certain extent, you can actually see the fear.

For us, it was the ultimate victory dance.

That's when we knew we won, no doubt.

When you think back on all the man hours and the sweat that you put into

locating this very evil person.

After all the pain and sorrow and loss of life that Chapo brought to the United

States.

His extradition to the U .S., it was a proud moment for all of us.

There's good and bad in everybody.

I judge him based on how he has treated me all these years.

Tell us how you got involved with Joaquin Guzman.

I took the bar on February of 2018 in New York.

And as I was waiting for the results, on Craigslist there was an ad.

A part -time job for a Spanish speaker, paralegal, criminal defense law firm. So

I was like, okay, bingo, that's me. And they said, before you accept the client

is Joaquino Chapo Guzman.

It was like, awesome, great, where do I start? Now I want to start, like,

tomorrow. I mean, you have the biggest criminal trial of the century.

Attorneys work 30, 40 years in their career to land a case like this. So I

it as a professional opportunity right away.

When I met Mr. Guzman, we had a glass dividing us. He put his hand in the

and I put my hand in the glass and that was like our first hello.

And we talked. I love talking. He loves talking. So we clicked.

I met Emma not long after I met El Chapo.

Emma and I became friends pretty quickly because of the amount of time that we

were spending together. And then she moved to New York basically when the

started.

The trial for the Mexican drug lord, Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, is underway.

The police motorcade taking him to the courthouse in Brooklyn.

The trial definitely was a media circus.

The press was there waiting every day, trying to get a few words out of her.

I would take her to court every morning, take her back home after court.

I think she handled it really well.

I don't know what I would have done had I been in her situation.

Would have left crying almost every day. I admire her for that, you know.

The first thing that Chappell would do when he would get into the courtroom is

he would, like, turn around and look for her.

There was that constant longing and tension between them.

Would they be making, like, faces and goo -goo eyes at each other?

At least once or twice the judge stopped the proceedings, like, hey, eyes up

here, because it would kind of get a little bit much.

His story is paraded out and all the characters come in one by one and they

their version of events.

Some of the guys wouldn't even look at Chappell. The others, you know, like I

think one guy kind of like touched his heart and there would be like nods and

there would be like appreciation. It was almost like a family reunion.

The testimony against Chappell mentioned that he ordered a lot of killings.

Witness testimonies also portray him as a killer.

And testimonies about enemies that he ordered to be buried alive.

We would watch Emma during the proceedings to see how does she respond.

seem to already know?

Like, what is this person's real feeling?

¿En algún momento dijiste, este hombre con el que yo he vivido tiene un lado

súper oscuro, súper malo?

Yo me quedo con... Bueno, yo conviví mucho con él.

Personalmente, yo tengo buenos recuerdos de él.

Entonces, yo no puedo decir que Joaquín es malo.

No me voy a sentar aquí a ese de Joaquín es malo porque yo no puedo hablarte de

lo que yo no he visto.

Todas esas personas que hablaron y dieron sus testimonios, pues respeto su

imagen de él.

Pero yo también tengo la mía, entonces.

Hay gente que nos ha dicho, es que creemos que ella no quería ver.

No ver la realidad, no ver el horror de todo esto. Que yo no lo quería, es que

yo no lo miré.

Because they say, I didn't want to see.

I didn't want to see what? I didn't look.

Is it possible that the image that they projected of Joaquin and the one you

know is true?

That a person has a bad side and a good side?

¿Es posible que la imagen que proyectaron de Joaquín y la que tú

verdad?

¿Eso es posible?

No sé si sea posible.

O sea, sí sé que es posible que nunca terminamos de conocer a las personas y

todos tenemos diferentes

versiones.

It's obvious who Chapo was.

Everyone knew that if you crossed Chapo, you were putting your life in danger.

Chapo was involved in violence, a lot of violence.

In my opinion, I believe She at least hear about the killings,

or she probably listened to some orders given to kill someone by

her husband.

During the whole trial, she didn't have any expression of surprise.

Throughout much of the trial, Emma had been really stoic until Lucero's

testimony.

Lucero was one of the women in Chapo's trial who was a lover of his, but, like,

she was also quite entrenched in the business.

Lucero immediately asserts ownership over El Chapo. She refers to him as my

husband, Joaquin.

And Emma, she's having a little bit of a hard time.

That's when you saw the woman.

The day after Lucero's first day of testimony, everybody looks from Emma to

Chapo, and we realize that they're wearing matching maroon velvet blazers.

It sort of felt like this was Emma's way of asserting ownership over her

husband.

You're referring to my husband as your husband, but he is with me, and he is

saying that through what he's wearing.

Literally.

After that day of testimony, I looked at Emma and I said, oh, what's this with

the jackets?

And she looked at me and she smiled and she said, que coincidencia, what a

coincidence.

There was also a cloud of suspicion around her because there's this sense at

moment that she could be implicated.

During the trial,

There were a couple of mentions of her, but really Emma wasn't implicated

publicly until Damaso Lopez.

Damaso Lopez was the godfather of one of Chapo's twins with Emma.

He was his right hand at the end.

He was there with one purpose, to describe

how... He escaped.

Who was involved?

This is when other people in the room started to see that there was more to

than her curvaceous figure and her nice outfit.

Damaso Lopez -Nunez testified that Emma did take part in the escape.

Damaso is orchestrating things from the outside while Chapo is orchestrating

things from the inside.

And Emma is that go -between.

Her role intensifies as the plans continue to take shape.

She allegedly is quite likely the very person who sneaks a GPS device

to El Chapo so that they can determine his exact coordinates in the cell.

And I think when people realized that the thing that El Chapo was most famous

for. El Chapo has done it again. It's a spectacular escape.

Was in part helped by Emma.

That was an interesting mind shift when people stopped looking just at Chapo and

started turning to the woman sitting alone on the second row in court.

testimony during El Chapo's trial, it comes out that she had a part in his

escape.

She

had

the option to never come back.

Okay, they're talking about me. I'm going to get the hell out of here and

luck finding me in Mexico.

But she didn't do that.

Were

there

people that counseled her to...

You know what? Maybe you should not hang around.

No, I can't answer that.

They took days deliberating.

Then I remember that, you know, we were all just anxious waiting.

Minutes ago, a federal jury here in the Eastern District convicted Joaquin El

Chapo Guzman Loea on all counts.

The jury found that Guzman led the Sinaloa cartel, and that he's

for the smuggling of massive amounts of narcotics into the United States, and

violence, including murders.

His conviction will bring a sentence of life.

Without the possibility of parole, it descends from which there is no escape

no return.

We were disappointed.

Still, we were sad.

But our client, Guzman, was the one that kept on saying, you know what, guys,

you did a great job.

Ultimately, I think they couldn't get past the fact that it was old Chapo

Guzman, you know.

There was no doubt in my mind he was going to be convicted.

When he was convicted, it was a great moment.

What we wanted to do was show the world that the rule of law works.

If you ruin lives and you murder people, we will come get you, no matter how big

or how rich or how famous you are, and you will stand trial, and you will be

punished if you're found guilty.

To those individuals out there, that are involved in drug trafficking as a

chopper was.

You are not unreachable.

You are not untouchable.

And your day will come.

Aterricen en el aeropuerto de Washington.

Se paró el avión.

Me acuerdo perfectamente que por la ventanita del aterrizaje pude ver las

camionetas negras.

Pero pues nunca me imaginé que eran para mí.

En cuanto aterrizó el avión,

The wife of the world's most notorious drug lord, Emma Cornell Iceboro,

Monday.

Cornell is charged with both conspiring with her husband to distribute drugs and

conspiring with El Chapo to spring him from a Mexican supermax prison.

She got arrested and I flew into D .C. that same night.

After that, then we started working on the case.

Did she ever consider going to trial?

No, because she has two daughters that needed her. And if she

went to trial and lost.

She could have faced life in prison.

After Emma was arrested, we began corresponding while she was

She spends some really grueling first few days in Virginia as she waits for

court date.

She was on her period when she was arrested, and they gave her, like, two

the entire four days.

And they also wouldn't let her take a shower, and she didn't know how to ask

a shower. And so she was, like, on the phone with one of her lawyers, Marielle,

and Marielle was, like, spelling out S -H -O. S -H -O.

Blanket, that was another word that I helped her with because she was cold.

So she is, you know, put in solitary, which, of course, They say they do for

safety, and there was certainly a safety element to it, but that's also

incredibly lonely.

The wife of jailed Mexican drug lord Joaquin El Chapo Guzman is reportedly

to plead guilty this morning.

I'm going to be brief.

She's got a 36 -month sentence.

Vaya con Dios.

In this country, I also feel that the government is more fair.

When they go after you, it's because they already have something clear.

I accepted my guilt and I'm fine. I'm fine with

that.

After I declared myself guilty, I was transferred to Texas.

Mis hijas. No podían visitarme mucho porque era la etapa del COVID.

Entonces casi no permitían visitas.

Mucho menos de contacto.

Entonces es como... La vida para ti se para, pero que al fin de cuentas afuera

no se detiene.

The wife of the infamous Mexican drug lord known as El Chapo was released from

federal custody today. As part of her release, she will have to be supervised

for four years, and then she will have to give up $1 .5 million.

The money issue is really an interesting one.

Chapo was asked to turn over more than $12 .5 billion.

That might not even be all of what they've accumulated.

And where do you think the money is?

That's a good question.

I wish I knew.

There was a joke in a team that Chapo's money was like the last scene of Raiders

of the Lost Ark. Somewhere, instead of just being one crate, there's like 5

crates stacked full of money and some little guy's just pushing them to a

warehouse someplace.

You know, it's out there.

Do you think that she has access to any of it? You know, I don't know. That

would be incredibly dangerous for her because it would only lead to her

more time in prison.

Desde que salí de la cárcel he estado trabajando en diferentes proyectos.

También mis papás me han estado ayudando.

No ha sido fácil.

Y yo estoy en probatoria.

Obviamente tengo que trabajar, pero no es solo porque me lo han dicho, sino que

es lo que yo quiero hacer.

Y ahí voy, un día a la vez.

Quiero desarrollar mi marca, trabajar yo con mi imagen, con mi nombre.

Yo decidí abrir mi Instagram y sí, pues inmediatamente empecé a subir a

seguidores.

He hecho cosas de modelaje.

El Fashion Week de Milán, abrí y cerré la pasarela.

Modelé un vestido de novia y otro un vestido de noche.

I wrote a corrido about Emma, yeah, a song about Emma.

La Señora.

I'm still a full -time attorney, but now I also have another full -time career,

which is singing.

The song is 100 % inspired by her. The message is people should not judge you

based on one bad season of your life.

He's a boss of her own destiny, of her own life.

The video appearance with Mariel.

Gemma is playing the part of cartel boss when she clearly wasn't. She was a

cartel boss wife.

That fascinates people too about her. She's a little bit enigmatic and very

controls the way that she projects herself to the world.

Whether she can escape the cartel is sort of a question of her own making

because she's also so famous and it's a fame that she's cultivated.

But I think I would be treading very carefully from now on, were I her, in

of what she said about her life before she was incarcerated.

Many of the people that she was involved with during that time, remain in

Mexico's criminal underworld.

So they're going to be watching very closely everything she says and

she does.

So I'm sure she's deeply conscious of that.

We live in a day and age where a lot of people are obsessed with true crime.

It gives you your bad guys. It gives you your good guys. It tells you the people

that you get to root for.

The thing is, there's no story that is that black and white.

And certainly when you have a 17 -year -old who is married to a high -power

lord, what was she supposed to do?

She couldn't tell him no.

Is a 17 -year -old really capable of making such a crucial decision that's

to impact her rest of life?

I don't think she was mature enough to make that decision.

But unfortunately, the way the world works, it's something that she's going

have to live with.

As most people see it, she chose evil over good.

The war on drugs is already lost.

And around 200 people die every 24 hours in the U .S. by an overdose.

already died in Mexico because of the war on drugs.

Narco -traffickers don't see any wrong.

They don't feel any guilt. They see narco -traffic as a normal business.

And if people die, it's because of the nature of the business.

She was living off the profits of all the poison that the Sinaloa cartel has

sold. That's part of the crime.

I think she got a good deal, and she did her time.

She's not the perfect victim, but she's also not your quintessential criminal.

She was a pawn in a game that she very much learned how to play, and she found

way to get out of the game.

And most people don't do that.

There's good and there's bad, like I said.

And I don't think that some of the life choices should define a person.

She's learned a lot.

And I think that at the end of the day, she is ready to put this past her and

start fresh with her daughter.

Y me va a doler siempre, pero pues ya no lo voy a poder recuperar.

Entonces estoy tratando de estar separada de ella lo menos posible,

fastidie.

¿Entonces todo ha estado bien en casa hoy?

Sí, todo bien.

Tranquila.

Estoy queriendo salir adelante para cuando mis hijas crezcan, o ya en estos

momentos, puedan sentirse orgullosas de mí.

Y, pues, mi intención es... Espero no

volver a fallar.

Muchas gracias.

Ya eres libre.

No, no. Nada más.

¿Ah? Sí, voy a hacer otro comentario. Ah, bueno, dale.

Ok. Bueno.

Me solidarizo con todas las personas que han perdido un ser querido,

que han sufrido. En verdad, en verdad, lo siento mucho.

Si yo pudiera hacer algo para cambiarlo, o si

lo haría de todo corazón sin pensarlo.

Lo que me pasó a base a mí, que no tenía experiencia, que era una niña.

Tampoco nadie me obligó a hacer nada, pero pues sí me faltó mucho.

Yo amo y adoro a México. Me duele en el alma por todo lo que está pasando.

No me atrevo ni a dar detalles, ni a hablar de nada de lo fuerte que es, de

lo que están pasando las personas.

Que son muy fuertes y... Pues, lo siento.