All language subtitles for Touching Evil s03e04 Fiery Death 2

I want a solicitor. Jane Howard and
Debbie Lewis. Did you know them, Matt?

I know I'm entitled to one. I studied
law. Robert Wise. He was a psychiatric

nurse. We know you knew him.

1989, Hyman House suffered a serious
fire.

You were a resident there at the time.

But you weren't injured.

It's lucky.

The idea of grieving.

Do you recognise him, Matt?

You'll be forgiven for saying no, but
I'm sure you do. It's Josh Layton.

He's just had his tenth operation.

They've had ten goes at making him look
halfway human.

You did this.

Do you know what fire does to the human
body, Matt?

After a few seconds, the skin starts to
blister.

Then fluid rushes from the tissues to
try and cool it down.

The body dehydrates. It goes into shock.

There's heart failure. I haven't even
got to the pain yet.

Maybe you're right. Maybe you had no
intention of hurting Josh Lane.

Maybe you wanted to kill Robert Wise. I
didn't kill him!

We know what was going on.

What he was doing.

Were you one of his victims?

Is that why you burnt the place down?

Were you trying to kill Robert Wise?

I... No, I didn't kill him.

Even after what he did to me, I couldn't
kill him.

Who else did he abuse? I don't know.

I've never talked about it.

He gave me sleeping tablets.

But they didn't make me sleep.

Rehypnol.

It's called rehypnol.

What does it do for you?

Fire? How does it help?

When it's there, I'm alive.

And drift.

Wish.

And dream.

When they die.

When the fires die.

The world seems darker.

I might as well be dead.

Fight, fight the dying of the right.

You know what I'm thinking, don't you?

He was raped by Robert Wise.

He admits burning the place down because
of it.

If anyone felt a victim of Wise, it was
Matt.

Why me?

Well, he's a victim.

He's the wrong kind of victim.

What about Josh Layton's statement?

Josh Layton wasn't covered in petrol
instead of light.

Anyway, you saw how Matt reacted in
there. He couldn't watch somebody burn

death.

At least we know why the killer uses
Rohit now.

He liked the batter from Wise.

What happened to you last night?

I was asleep.

I thought you had insomnia.

All life, death doth end, and each day
dies in sleep.

Jane Howell's bound to have known this
place.

She lived round here for 30 years.

All the other scenes were linked to the
victim's transgression.

They're fairly in the killer's eye.

Yeah, I know what transgression means,
Cregan.

Was Sam an only child?

Yeah, according to a medical file.

Yeah, Cregan.

Jane Howard.

And you find out she'd been married
before.

Where's the body?

Hospital. That means she's still alive.

I thought you knew.

Her name was Claire Logan. She was the
head teacher.

Shit!

Cregan!

30 seconds.

If we'd got to her for 30 bloody
seconds, we'd have a name.

Something!

No doubt in Claire Logan.

No industrial tribunal, no professional
misconduct, nothing.

Jane Howard was married before to
Nicholas Gough in 1965.

He died in 1977.

No children.

Now, why would she have kept that from
her son?

What else has she kept from him?

You wouldn't forget something like that.

A positive.

Well, maybe it wasn't a very happy
marriage.

It was something she preferred to
forget.

She didn't mention any children?

Stepchildren? Of course not.

These are things.

Mike? Go ahead.

There's yours.

No. I don't think so.

Okay, drawing on the top, that was taken
from a book on child fire setters.

Drawing on the bottom, that was taken
from Jane Howard's house last night.

Now, Sam told me he'd never seen that
drawing before.

I believe him.

Jane was first married in 1965 to
Nicholas Goff. They had no children.

That's Keith Martin and Susan Etchells.
They were fostered by the Goths for 18

months. Then Jane and Nicholas split up.

And after they split, those two kids
went back into care.

1970, Jane met an Archie Howard.

They married.

Two years later, they had a baby boy.

Sam.

I know I've been a pain about profiles,
but this isn't a simple case of arson.

Arsonists very rarely fantasize about
murder.

They're more interested in the fire
itself and the chaos caused by the fire.

But children who set fires, they do
fantasize about killing.

And it's usually someone in their
family.

Usually someone who they consider to be
withholding love. A mother, a

stepfather, a baby brother who's usurped
their position.

You're not saying the killer's a child?

No.

Someone who thinks like a child.

Why, May is remarkably childlike.

Now, we know the killer sees himself as
a victim of Robert Wise, and we've been

trying to work out what terrible crimes
these other victims have committed, like

Jane Howard and Claire Logan.

But we're applying adult logic.

Maybe the killer doesn't have an adult
sense of proportion.

So maybe the punishment doesn't fit the
crime.

When were these children fostered by
Jane Howard?

67 and 68.

Have you had their names checked out
against Hyman House?

Simmons is doing it.

We've got to talk to Keith Martin, see
if he's got a connection with Claire

Logan and Debbie Lewis.

These photos were taken 30 years ago.

Keith Martin would be middle -aged by
now.

Probably has kids of his own.

If he did feel wronged by Jane Howard
when he was seven, why wait 30 years to

take revenge?

Maybe the time gap's significant.

Maybe that's the whole point.

The killer's gone back over his life.

Selling old scores.

Okay.

Then why do it now?

Cregan? You have five seconds.

Three, two... It's me.

Hannah.

I wanted to check you were coming to the
memorial tomorrow.

Well, I was.

You don't want me to come?

No, no. I think you should be there.

I'll be there, then.

I'd better go.

I've still got so many calls to make.

Martin, you're a lot of people.

It's been a strange experience getting
them all together.

Everyone in you seems to be coming.
Parents, school friends, colleagues.

He's dead, but it's like his whole life
is flashing before my eyes.

Anyway.

I'll see you tomorrow.

Bye.

I feel like I'm trying to turn up a
whole life in a couple of hours.

When they die, when the fires die,

the world seems dark.

They might as well be dead.

Why wait 30 years to take revenge?

Why do it now?

You worry about their pain?

Life is not pain.

A few things as destructive as fire.

I don't get that kind of satisfaction.

Am

I

gonna die?

Hm? Am I gonna die?

Why me?

I've set it up in the video conference
room.

You don't need to take much persuasion.

You're joking.

The audience is what he craves.

It's delightful to see you again,
Inspector Taylor.

Okay, ask him again why you fired him.

Why fired you, Trunk?

Have you heard of the cult of Mithras?

They worship fire as a pure
manifestation of the laws of destiny.

It's the ultimate contradiction, the
ultimate mystery.

Full of opposing associations.

Reincarnation.

Death.

Procreation.

The Christians turned it into hellfire.

But why did you need to use fire to kill
them?

Did you know that some pine cones need
the heat of a forest fire to crack them

open and release acid?

The body is nothing until it has been
tested.

Cracked open.

Only then can the purified soul so free.

The cycle of death and rebirth is the
only constant

force. Can you ask him about death?

Ask him about fire and death.

Does fire have any special significance
if you're dying?

Fire gives power.

It may feed the dying soul.

Fire makes me feel a sort of shame, a
link between

man and God.

Fire gives power.

It may feed the dying soul.

Fire gives power.

It may feed the dying soul.

What's this about, Cregan?

Fire gives power.

The killer sees himself as a victim.

And like a child, he feels powerless.

Fire, it's his friend. It's a magical
element which turns him from victim to

victor.

Eh? He's reviewing his life, Susan.

But now there's a reason he's doing it,
and that reason is the trigger.

He's always felt powerless, but now
there's real justification for that

Why me?

Why me and not them?

Why do I have to die?

The killer's dying.

Keith, I just need to know where you are
on Feb 22nd, March 4th, 11th and 15th.

I was here.

I'm here all day, every day.

Sunday mornings, I go to the market with
the wholesalers with my kid.

We take two weeks off in the summer, and
that's it. You're welcome to ask my

staff if you like. You can even ask my
customers, though I'd rather you didn't.

Have you heard of a place called Hyman
House?

No. Recognise any of these?

Debbie Lewis, Robert Wise, Claire Logan,
Jane Howard. No, no, no.

What did you say the last woman's name
is?

That's Jane Howard.

She was married before her name then was
Mrs. Goff.

Mrs. Goff.

Yeah.

Yeah, I knew her when I was a kid.

That's why you're here, isn't it?

You were fostered with this little girl.

Where did you get these?

Jane's house?

I haven't even got pictures of me at
this age.

This is like looking at a picture of my
son, George.

Any idea where she is now?

The girl?

No.

Susan.

She was a sad kid.

She used to cry herself to sleep every
night. She cried for her mother.

Well, her mother was dead.

I don't know.

She wouldn't let Jane out of her sight,
though.

Then she'd flare up, go hysterical.

How do you mean?

Well, if Jane went out and left us, even
for a few minutes, she'd sit and watch

the clock until she came back.

But, I mean, literally sit and stare at
the clock on the wall.

The day Jane left, she must have been
there for hours. She wouldn't budge.

Anyway, look, I don't understand. All
this was 30 years ago.

I haven't seen Jane since.

We're just trying to piece Jane's life
together.

Well, she didn't deserve to die like
that.

No -one does.

Who's dead, Daddy?

No one you know, Geordie.

This is my son, Jordan.

Taylor to Cregan.

Yep.

Just spoken to Max.

He's confirmed the Why Me signature on
Claire Logan.

Carved on the body before it was set
alight.

And she was given a massive dose of
rehypnol. Same as Debbie.

How are you getting on with Keith
Martin?

He's clean.

There was no marriage certificate for
Susan, actually. But when I got a birth

certificate, look,

her mother's name was Marianne Winters.

Now, one of the two ex -residents of
Hyman House was a Susan Winters. They've

got the same date of birth, the same NHS
number.

They must be the same person. Medical
records.

You get a medical record?

Yeah, but they stopped in 1995.

OK, I want a trace on Susan Winters.
Check to see if Claire Logan ever

anyone with that name.

I've got to talk to Lynn Southley, check
out her statement.

Maybe Debbie talked to her about someone
called Susan.

Lynn, did Debbie ever mention a friend
called Susan Etchells or Winters?

No.

Hang on, Susan.

Yeah, I think she did.

A couple of weeks ago, she said
something about meeting an old friend

Susan, someone she hadn't seen for
years.

I don't know if it's the same person.
Never saw her.

I'm sorry I'm being so useless.

Pregnancy turns your brain to jelly.

You'd be better off talking to John.

Where is he?

Still in Germany.

Well, make sure he's back for the birth.

Oh, he'd better be, or they'll be hell
to pay.

He changed.

No one could do the job we do and not be
affected by it.

But the amazing thing about Mark was
that he never completely lost his faith

people.

Right to the end.

Mark, he was a first -rate detective.

However, from time to time he showed
severe lapses of judgement.

He told me he supported West Ham, for
example.

Worse, he chose me as a friend.

When we started working together, we
didn't get on.

It's no secret.

I'm not the easiest person to work with.

Most give up.

But Mark... Mark persevered.

This Saturday, the 21st, Mark and I had
planned to be married.

We were in love.

We were full of hope.

We were so sure about us.

About everything.

Maybe we were wrong.

But I would have liked the chance to
find out.

Our love was a wonderful mystery.

Is death a terrible one?

I wanted to thank you.

Well, I did my best. It's not my
strongest point.

You were talking about the speech,
weren't you?

No.

I wasn't.

Hannah.

You weren't wrong about you and Mark.

It would have been good.

I'm sure of it.

There was a Claire Winters employed at
the nursery in 1992, before Claire Logan

took over.

Six months later, she'd gone.

I spoke to one of the teachers who
remembered her.

She said food needs to cling to the kid
rather than the other way round.

Claire Logan didn't think it was
healthy. That's why she faxed her.

I've checked her employment record.

She doesn't seem to have worked since.

It's like she dropped off the map in
1996.

So we're definitely looking for a woman.
I know something must have got it

wrong. Whoever went to Debbie's flat was
someone she knew, and if it was Susan

Winters, Debbie knew her. And if Debbie
knew her, then Andy probably did too.

How was the memorial service?

Fine.

You've been a very popular guy.

He was.

Is that why everyone resents me so much?

Is that what you think?

Look, we know you had to take on the
law.

If the learning curve gets any steeper,
I'll snide off.

No.

Couldn't have got this far without you.

Andy.

Ah, what do you want?

Did Debbie ever mention a woman called
Susan Winders? No.

Susan Etchell? No.

What is all this?

It's a simple question. Did Debbie have
any friends called Susan Winters or

Susan Etchell? Not while I knew her. So
Lynn, she was Debbie's only friend,

yeah? I wouldn't call Lynn a friend.

She only started babysitting after John
moved out.

Lynn's husband moved out?

When? Six months ago.

And they weren't married, no matter what
she might have told you.

Hang on, but he is the father of a
child?

I suppose so, yeah.

Is John's surname Saudi?

Yeah. Is that what she calls herself?

She's a liar, I told you. She lies so
much, even she can't remember what's

and what isn't. Why didn't you say this
before?

Excuse me? I said nothing else.

Where does John work?

He's my security guard at Langley's.
Food warehouse.

OK, so she lies about John still being
around.

That could be pride.

She knew Debbie. But the others?

She's eight months pregnant, Susan. Are
you saying a pregnant woman is incapable

of murder?

No, I'm just saying I think the killer
is dying.

It's just fine, John. Stay out of it.

The manager hasn't seen him. Presumed he
walked out mid -shift.

I've got his home address.

It's D .I. Taylor requesting assistance.

I want two assertives.

One is for 24... Maybe

you were right about the trigger. Maybe
it's not

death, it's birth.

The cycle of death and rebirth is the
only confident force. That's what Detron

said.

She's been going back over her life in
preparation. She's been cleaning up,

getting rid of these people before the
baby's born.

That's why she's running out of time.

What the bloody hell are you doing here?

Duty. I'm going to look long.

What have you been doing?

I just turned up. I could lose my job.

I know you hate me.

Maybe we just didn't try hard enough.

I tried, Lynn.

I tried as much as any person could to
make it work.

Whatever it is that's wrong, Lynn, I
can't solve it.

So what am I supposed to do?

Put the child into a home?

You're wrong at that, child, Lynn.

You're more than me.

Anyway, my mother brought me up on her
own and I did all right.

Well, aren't you the lucky one?

All I wanted was for you to be the
baby's father.

Maybe it's for the best.

Maybe you're not capable of that.

You couldn't love me, so why should you
be able to love our child?

You've got a description.

Issue it.

I'm coming over now in a car. It's a red
Fiesta. I want a trace on that too.

You want to stay tight?

Why? Your upside rear is deflated.
You've got a slow puncture, my dear.

Okay,

well, she's got a three -hour head
start. She could be anywhere. We've

all ports at the airport.

She's not on the run. She's got nowhere
to run to.

Well, she's on the offensive.

to drive.

No, don't worry.

I'm not due for weeks yet.

Really?

I'm not in labour.

I wouldn't have been surprised if you
were.

Well, you were bombing down here. I just
wanted to get home.

These are Linda's medical notes.

All of them? Yep.

She was registered with about four
different doctors, and each case was a

temporary patient.

That's how she got the double
descriptions of Ritman.

And that was an assessment of Susan
Etchells after she left Jane Howes and

back into care.

Can we now assume that Susan Etchells,
Susan Winters and Lynne Southie are the

same person?

Calling all cars. We're looking for a
woman in a 38 -month pregnancy. I don't

suppose you've got any WD -40.

It's a stick of hell.

Who put this wheel on for you?

My husband.

Oh, big guy, is it?

Massive.

Should have used this car.

It's just bought a brand new BMW.

God, you're a little bat.

Listen to this.

Fire is from the devil.

There's a devil in every fire.

He learns you all the tricks.

He whispers to you to do bad things and
make the fire, and to kill people and to

burn the baby.

Then God can make them alive again.

And I went into the fire, and I died.

And when I came out again, I was good
too.

How old was she when that was run?
Eight.

It's a psychological assessment. She's
been dealing with this since she was

eight.

Well, according to these notes, Lynn
Southley never told any of these doctors

that she was pregnant.

And she's not registered at any of the
local hospitals.

Well, maybe she was lying about that
too.

The last time she visited a doctor was
in April.

She went back to get the results of some
tests.

Bloody hell.

This is a letter the doctor wrote on her
behalf.

On what?

Then you've got leukemia.

I haven't seen you here before.

I'm visiting.

Family? Yeah.

Where do they live? I might know them.

I'm not sure.

Lost touch?

Long time ago.

Did you fight?

Both right.

I love children.

Mine are all grown up now.

I still like coming here to watch them
play.

I'd like to have been a teacher.

That's what I do.

I'm a nursery teacher.

Head teacher, in fact.

Lovely.

Do you know if it's a boy or a girl?

I'd like a little girl, but I'm sure
it's a boy.

Do you want to feel it?

I... There's no need to be frightened.

It won't bite.

It is death.

That's the trigger.

She's been obsessed with kids since she
was a teenager.

She finally manages to get pregnant.
Weeks later, she's told she's dying.

She's got the child she always wanted,
but not the chance to bring it up.

She could have had treatment that would
have endangered the baby.

So she refuses that.

She can't accept she's dying, or those
who did her wrong still alive.

Why me? Why should I die and they live?

I'm so glad we met.

Me too.

So you're on your own now, then?

That's right.

Finding you after all these years.

It's amazing.

Finding me?

Did you know me?

I wasn't sure at first. I didn't have a
very clear picture.

I was only seven when you left.

I wasn't sure what I was going to do if
I didn't find you. I was so desperate

for you to look after the baby.

There isn't anyone else.

What?

You will do this for me, won't you, Mum?

I'm not your mother.

Of course you're not.

I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry. Forget what I said.

I know.

Let me buy you a cup of tea.

Regan.

Yes?

Yes?

I'm sorry, you did what?

They flagged her down on the A1.

Brilliant. That's not brilliant.

They let her go. What?

The officer flagged her down for a dodgy
tyre.

Then he changed the tyre for her.

Well, what was she on the A1 for?

Susan Etchell's birth certificate.

Have you got it?

Where was she born? Ashport,
Lincolnshire, and the A1 goes to...

The doses of rehypnol are never large
enough to knock them out. She wants them

conscious.

She puts them on trial.

She wants them to hear her passing
judgment.

So for a while, she's in control of
death. It doesn't control her.

Dave.

What's going on?

You and Hannah.

Grief.

I think grief is what's going on.

I thought I saw him the other night.

Rivers.

I wasn't in.

Of course.

It's happened a few times now.

Different times, places.

I thought I was going crazy.

Right, we're in a little ballpark. It's
a commons isolated area.

Down north of the city, that's where the
suspect was born. That's where she'll

probably go.

You were given a description of the
suspect in a cart. You found anything?

Yeah, we've had a look around. Dead
easy.

It's dead easy.

It's yes or no.

Well, yeah, there was a red fiesta. That
red reported, sir. Don't tell me. You

gave it a re -spray and you changed the
oil. Sorry, sir.

Where was it seen?

Well,

it was seen on this road here, sir.

When was this?

Lunchtime.

Do you play a musical instrument?

You know, enjoy your game of balls?

Oh, you'll enjoy early retirement, then!

Yes,

that's where we are. The car's gone.

Well, she hasn't gone to the address on
her birth certificate.

It's on the link of DIY Superstore. I
checked.

Where was she actually born?

Homer Hospital. Hospital.

St. David's.

Is there a St. David's Hospital near
here?

Closed years ago.

Yes. Has it been pulled down?

No.

Okay, give me directions.

All you had to say was, I can take the
child.

You didn't have to say you weren't my
mother.

As if what you did in the first place
wasn't cruel enough.

You've got to listen to me.

Father!

Hey, give me ten minutes.

Stay away.

What happened?

Did she fall asleep?

She's not your mother, Lynn. She's just
somebody you met in the park.

Your mother's dead.

Died two years ago.

You're lying.

Now you leave her, Lynn.

She means nothing to you. She's done
nothing wrong.

I know what's happening to you, Lynn.

I know why you came looking for your
mother.

She didn't want to know.

I shouldn't be surprised, not after what
she did to me.

What was that?

I can't tell you. It's got to be her.

She can't hear you.

Well, then she'll have to go without
hearing.

Why can't you talk to me?

Because you can walk away.

No one listens if they can walk away.

I won't walk away.

I promise.

Now, did that make it better? Can you
talk to me now?

I know you want to talk to me, Lynn. I
know you want to talk about what your

mother did and what she heard you.

Okay, you don't believe a word of it?

I do.

Where's her hypno?

You're in control now.

This is what you want, isn't it?

I can't walk away now.

How long have I got?

Five, ten minutes.

Come on.

Tell me what happened.

Come on, I'm listening.

She said she couldn't cope.

She was going to give me to someone else
while she got better.

She said she wasn't being a very good
mother.

I didn't care if she was a good mother
or not. I still wanted to be with her.

I was in her home.

Other kids were found families, not me.

Not until Jane and Michael came, they
took me.

I loved her.

She said she loved me and I could call
her mummy.

And she left.

That's when I first thought, I want a
baby.

I want to be some baby's mummy and I'll
never leave him, never.

But nothing ever happened.

I kept getting pregnant.

I kept losing them.

I had to keep watching them fall out of
me as if they were saying, I don't want

you. You're not good enough.

And that's why you were jealous of
Debbie? I hated her.

She had two kids.

They loved her.

What about John?

John couldn't love me.

Well, maybe no one could.

Not the way you want to be loved.

All the love in the world couldn't fill
you, could it? You don't know what I've

gone through.

I'm trying, Lynn. Lynn, I am trying.

Did you help start the fire at Hyman
House?

That was Matt.

I'd forgotten all about fire.

Stop thinking about it.

When I saw Matt's face looking at what
he'd done, it all came back.

I remembered how it felt.

I heard him scream.

Josh.

Matt didn't hear it.

I want to help you and the baby.

Just leave her and come with me.

Look at me, Lynn.

I'm at your mercy now.

Does this make you feel good?

Does this make you feel powerful?

Aren't you frightened?

Yeah.

I'm frightened too.

Only for me, not for him.

Nothing will happen to him.

I won't let it.

He's going to love me.

She couldn't.

John couldn't be, Will.

He's not going to suffer like I
suffered.

He's not going to be hurt like I was
hurt.

I won't let it happen.

All children suffer then. It's part of
life.

You should know.

You abandoned yours.

No one understands what I'm going
through. No one.

Understand? Because you won't let anyone
understand.

You enjoy being a victim.

You enjoy everyone around you being a
bully.

You're the only one that feels pain
other people don't feel.

Other people aren't capable of feeling
like you.

I have such nightmares.

I still have them.

Devils and skeletons.

They're all trying to kill me.

And I have to think of ways of killing
them first.

There's blood everywhere.

I thought I'd beaten them.

Then when I started getting sick, I knew
I hadn't.

They waited a long time.

But they got me, didn't they?

You have an illness, Lynn.

No one gave you it.

I'm going to die.

And I'm so frightened.

We're all going to die.

We're all frightened.

Lynn!

Stop!

Why should I?

The baby, Lynn. The baby could be in
trouble. Why should you care about my

No one cares about it. No one wants it.

Well, give me the matches.

No!

Help!

Help!

Help!

Help! Help!

Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help!
Help! Help! Help! Help! Help! Help!

Help!

Help!

They took her down for an emergency
caesarean.

It's a girl.

How's she doing?

Blood pressure's still dropping.

She's arrested. Can I have one milligram
of adrenaline, please, and call the

crash team? Start CPR.

One and two and three and four and five.
One and two and three and four and

five.

One can't just use the...

Could you?