All language subtitles for Touching Evil s03e02 Innocent 2.eng

All right.

All right.

I didn't say thanks.

What else could I do?

I didn't think about you being on the
big leader. Ah, don't worry. Don't

Mark. It's not contained.

Who was she?

Her name's Jackie Savva.

Her credit card was inside her purse.

They're looking for her next of kin.

There was a white spin bag next to her
body containing her heart and some of

clothes.

Who found her?

One of the drivers.

Just after eight o 'clock.

Whoever did this left her body under the
back wheels of the cab.

Driver backed straight over her.

No connection between her and the
driver?

He couldn't even identify the body.

We'll be expected to rearrest Machen.

Machen's dead.

He walked into the North Sea.

And you walked in after him?

We need to find out why she was left
here and who her next of kin is.

If Machen could have done this, that
makes Fitton a chief suspect.

Fitton didn't do this.

You know that for a fact.

Fitton isn't the killer.

We're wasting our time.

Another woman's just been murdered.
Instead of standing here arguing, can we

agree on what we're doing for once and
get on with it? Yeah, I'm all fit and re

-arrested. Can you go and do that now?

Has somebody taken your statement, Mr
Khan?

Somebody's taken my statement five times
over.

I've got no idea who she is.

I'm sorry to say to you, I'd like to get
back to work.

I'm tired of going home.

So this guy is not even next of kin.

What do I do, Cregan?

What am I? I thought I'd been brought in
to offer counselling.

You ran over the body.

It isn't his wife. He doesn't give a
toss. All he wants to do is go to the

burger. Sorry we wasted your time.

Andy Machen's dead.

Drowned himself.

Found his body 20 minutes ago.

Well, that's it, then.

It got them in the end.

Look, it's possible the killer messed up
Tariq Khan for Jaggi's boyfriend.

Whoever the boyfriend is, we're trying
to find him. I'm sorry. I don't want to

be here.

Maybe in the morning, then. I think I
won't feel the same in the morning.

Look, I really don't think I can help
you anymore.

I've got a wife sitting at home now
doing ironing because she's too scared

back to bed. I can't sleep.

Like a road traffic accident or sudden
death in the family, that's one thing,

but I'm dealing with something that I am
not trained for here, and it's...

Frankly, it's my marriage, all this.

That's what I said.

He's ready. They'll put him in the
interview room.

Not you.

One side of the moon never receives any
sunlight.

The dark side.

The killings are linked into the phases
of the moon.

So you've got the October's Book of
Astronomy, have you? Little pocketbook

this big?

Came out about the same time as the I
Spy Book of Serial Killers.

All the other victims were found by
their hostages. Jackie Savile will be

same. We've checked.

She wasn't married.

There doesn't have to be a piece of
paper. And this isn't 1890.

Talk to everybody who worked at
Northgate. Find out who knew Jackie

D .I. Taylor has already asked me.

That place has got 65 men. 48 of those
are driving on the continent.

We've spoken with everyone who worked
with Jackie at the job centre. According

to them, she kept herself to herself.

Speak to them again.

tied into a lunar cycle.

There's no correlation between the times
of any of the killings and the phases

of the moon.

I found the metal first.

The only one out of the three nights was
clear.

Your home is at risk if you don't keep
up the payments on a mortgage or a loan

secured on it.

What? You're not listening.

If you're not going to listen, what's
the point of being here?

And the next time I conduct an
interview, can you at least stay till

We've got a problem.

This is serious.

They've given my room away.

Let's pose. Nah. Okay.

Heads or tails?

Don't mind.

What's the time?

Do you snore?

I only want to sleep.

You?

Kerry's. Don't. Love you. Cheers.

Right. I'm gonna call Hannah.

Tell her I'm sleeping with someone else.

You like mine?

Yeah. They bring enough warm clothes.
It's nice, isn't it?

Longer post, Mark.

What a killer was Ian Allen done
yesterday afternoon.

Jackie Favell was murdered last night.
That means he posted it before he killed

her.

Who's Carl Lang?

Carl Lang's Jackie Favell's next of kin.

Carl

Lang.

What have I done now?

Did you change your mind?

She was for me.

Liz left for her sister's this morning.

She didn't want to stay.

I mean, she didn't want me to go with
her, like...

You're in contact with something evil,
you know.

People closest to you are going to find
that difficult.

Yeah.

Well, here we all are.

I've just seen her.

She was a mess.

I wanted to kiss her.

What did you do?

I kissed her.

There's no need to be embarrassed about
that. I'm not embarrassed.

I wanted to hold her, but the technician
said it wasn't a good idea, but I held

her anyway.

However hard I tried, I still couldn't
seem to think of her as dead and I

couldn't let her go.

I hope nobody said that you should.

We've been together nearly four years
and we're talking about getting married.

I don't know what I'm going to do.

Confess. Yeah?

What?

Peg wanted a chat.

Please.

How did you kill her?

I strangled her.

Just like the rest.

Did you find out?

No.

Not just like that.

There was a lot we had to go through
first.

There was a PowerPoint in the garage.

I used to be an electrician.

So she got 240 volts every time she
moved.

You used to be an electrician.

Don't tell me.

You were sacked by a woman.

What do you think I am, Wayne?

Stupid!

Any man who's been humiliated in any way
by a woman has a standard adolescent

fantasy of seeking revenge.

It's got nothing to do with what's
happening.

Not even worth a bag of sweet.

Aye.

killed these women.

No, you didn't.

You're a thinker. You don't do.

You're watching too much television.

Now, why don't you get out there and get
some fresh air?

Why don't you get out there and meet
somebody like Joanne or Jackie?

Get a haircut.

Get a girlfriend.

Get a life.

What is it with you, Cregan?

You do know there's been a major alert
out for him?

Fitton claims he tortured each of the
victims. They weren't tortured.

They were mutilated methodically and
carefully after they were killed, not

before.

Proving what?

The killer wanted to harm the men who
found them much more than he wanted to

harm the women.

Has anyone got anything against you? You
mean against Jaggi? No.

No, I mean you.

I don't understand.

Do you want to take a break?

No.

I think somebody tried to harm you,
Carl.

Have you argued with anyone, done
anything to upset anybody?

Malloy.

Who's Malloy?

He's a bastard who calls himself a
transport manager.

We were working a fiddle, me and a few
of the lads.

We'd take a full load out.

One would come back empty, we'd load up
our cases of booze.

Me and Tariq swapped wagons.

We thought my lawyer'd set us up. I was
being followed.

That was why Tariq was going to take the
load instead of me.

Someone was following us into work.

You sure?

Annie was watching the house. Whoever
this guy was, I couldn't shake him off.

Were you close enough to get a look at
him?

No.

Why doesn't he kill the men?

They're handing you cards with their
names on them. Why doesn't he just get

over with?

He doesn't want them dead.

He wants them to suffer.

It's about power.

It's taking something away that belongs
to them.

It's like sleeping with another man's
wife.

You sleep with a married woman, and
there's part of you trying to get to the

husband.

I'm not talking from experience.

Never had the time.

But if I wanted to have somebody, I'd do
something to someone they cared for.

The women can't just be a means to an
end.

He wouldn't do this if he didn't hate
them.

He's beyond that.

He's using them.

Well, I sent you the cards.

He sent them to you. He didn't send them
to me.

He wants another man to stop him.

I want to talk to the partners of all
the victims.

I want to find out if any of the other
men have been followed.

Start with Peter Carroll.

I can't. He's at a press conference.

What press conference?

He's appealing for information and
writes ideas.

That is exactly what the killer wants.

A basic component of serial crime is the
need for recognition.

Parading those men on national
television...

He's only showing the killer what he
needs to see.

Dave, it's Emmerich's idea.

That is a massive incitement for him to
kill again.

This isn't about the men, it's about the
women.

The killer doesn't hate women.

Don't talk shite, Cregan!

This is Elland and not Chelsea bloody
Harbour. There's nothing complex about

people around here. The way they kill is
really very disappointing.

I'm not talking to you. Yeah, well, I'm
talking to you.

I can take you out there right now and I
can show you how these murders happened

first. There's a lot of very violent men
in this town. Second, this violence is

directed towards women.

Third, one of these men is the killer.

Annoying. Treated like shite all week,
and then come Friday, well, it all comes

pouring out, all his fears, his
frustrations.

He's got to take it out on somebody, and
before he knows what's happened, well,

someone's been killed.

That's not how it is.

Don't tell me how it is.

If you're trying to tell me that the
killer wants to harm the men...

Aye, well, you're more off your head
than I thought.

Is this because of how you feel about
your wife?

Oh, aye, and what about what happened to
yours?

Leave it! Just leave it!

What's the matter, Craig?

That's your own nerve.

Where's the press conference?

Peter!

Peter!

I really don't think you should... This
isn't going to help.

If Ben Wright sees your face all over
tomorrow's papers, what's going to

Look, I know there's a thin line between
genius and madness, but do we have to

show everyone which side we're on?

If anybody has any information about the
person who did this, they should

contact the police immediately.

It's five past eleven. This is on the
telly and I'm still eating my lunch.

Well, all these men have been very badly
hurt.

But why these men?

Why were they selected?

It doesn't work like that.

They're individuals.

They must have something in common.

People aren't a thing, Cregan. They're a
process.

They change over time. They get better
despite their circumstances.

Now, tell me about Carla.

Karl Lang wishes he was dead.

He's punishing himself because someone
he cared about died while he was 200

miles away.

Peter Carroll is clinically depressed.

John is still angry and guilty after two
years. You tell me what any of them

have got in common.

They've all been bereaved.

Exactly. You're back where you started.

What about getting them all together?

In the same room?

You'll be telling them that this was all
their fault.

I really shouldn't do that if I were
you.

I mean, Anthony Machen blamed himself
for Suzanne's death.

I'd love to remind you what happened to
him.

No, no, don't do that.

Is there anyone anywhere over the last
three years who might have a grudge

against you?

I don't mean someone who doesn't like
you.

I mean someone who really hates you.

Hate has enough to do with it.

If you can think of anyone at all.

Where's my Lloyd?

It wasn't my Lloyd, Carl. My Lloyd was
in my bed.

My brother hates me.

I don't think he's done this.

Does your brother know anyone here?

I'm serious.

My brother moved to New Zealand in 1983.

He said he couldn't get far enough away.

Look, the truth is we've all got
enemies.

Everyone makes enemies all of the time.

Is there anyone anywhere?

There was a rescue officer.

I don't see what that's got to do with
all of this. I haven't worked in over a

year. I can't remember since what
happened to Lisa.

For the Ryan estate.

You'll be all right.

I'll tell you what we've got in common.

We're all getting tired of this.

Is anyone in charge of him?

What is it with you, Cregan?

I'm not making excuses for being in
charge. I haven't got a problem with you

being in charge.

Yeah, no, why have you been such a
difficult bastard?

You sent your family into exile.

That wasn't my idea.

Why'd you have to take it out on me?

I'm taking it out on everybody.

Can we talk about something else? Will
you just keep out of this?

Come on.

I'll be honest.

I can't deny it.

What's this, start of a no -comment
interview? Oh, I'm sick of hearing this.

We're supposed to be a team. Why can't
we just wrap this up and go home?

Why didn't I think of that?

The killer's a misogynist. Can't we just
stick to that? He's not.

He hates everybody, including himself.

It's a case that takes one to know one.

I'm going to bed.

Why did you have to say that?

I'm going to try Hannah again.

Where are you going?

Some of us have got someone to go back
to.

Hi, you've reached Hannah and Mark. I'm
afraid we're not here right now, but

please leave a message.

Hi, it's me again.

And it's late.

I think I really need to talk. I'm
pretty sick of it here.

I'll call you in the morning. That's
what I'll do.

I'm sorry if I've woken you up.

Sorry.

Okay, good night.

Oh, you're not a mere find in the sky.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

This place is grim.

Oh, Ellendon.

I'm not knocking it, but it's grim.

Not good for me.

I've also figured out why you do what
you do.

People are dying to get out.

So if you're not going to find this guy,
what's the point in staying?

I'm responsible.

It's a serious business and I'm not in
charge, but I'm responsible.

We've been up here all this time. We're
no further on.

Anthony Machen's dead.

Joanne Carroll's dead. Jackie Savile was
only 24 years old. She's dead. They're

all dead.

There's nowhere to die, is there, you
know?

24 years old.

Your heart ripped out and stuffed in a
dustbin bag and left at the back of a

lorry for someone to find.

I dare say that isn't what her parents
had in mind. I dare say her boyfriend

other plans.

You sure you don't want some of this?

Can I use your toilet?

Top of the stairs on the right.

That's good coffee, thank you. I should
have told them all this. I shouldn't be

bothering you.

Why didn't you tell them?

They were too busy taking chunks out of
each other.

I'm getting married in nine weeks' time.

Hey.

That's all I need to know. This is all
dead. It doesn't fit in.

Hannah thinks I'm on a drug case with
customs and excise.

How do you feel about lying?

How do I feel?

I've got an Italian suit, an American
gun, Japanese mobile phone, direct line

the Home Secretary and a mandate to do
pretty much what the hell I like,

actually. But the one thing I can't do
is talk to the person I'm marrying and

tell her the truth.

Taylor can do this.

Cregan can do this in his sleep. You
know how they got rid of his family?

The OSC.

And new names, and new addresses.

He can't even find them.

I don't want that.

If you're going to turn over your life
to something, it should be something

makes you proud.

That's why I'm getting out.

I'm doing things I'm not proud of
anymore.

If you don't stand for something, you'll
fall for anything, won't you?

Where did you say the toilet was?

It's in the room.

Spocky! Spocky!

I'll call you in the morning.

Hi, it's me again.

It's late.

I think I really need to talk.

I'm pretty sick of it here.

I'll call you in the morning. That's
what I'll do.

I'm sorry if I've woken you up.

I know.

Okay, good night.

We're looking for witnesses.

Talking to all the hotel staff. I've got
a kid who thinks he saw the car.

Thinks it arrived before four o 'clock.
Him and his girlfriend left shortly

afterwards.

Did he have a look at the driver?

He says he didn't.

Well, he's still trying to contact the
girlfriend.

You've no idea where he might have gone
after he left you last night?

I don't know.

We've been drinking.

Look, er...

We can speak about this later. No, I
want to sort this out now.

Sorry.

Sorry.

We will get this bastard.

One way or the other.

If I have to rip this town apart, I
will.

Look, don't take this personally,
Cregan, but...

You look like shite.

Just a cup of tea.

So, what is it? Teen sympathy?

You look like you need it.

Tea?

Sympathy.

how sorry I am.

Look, I'm not trying to sell you
anything.

I don't want to put you under any
pressure, but you want to know if I'm in

of counselling.

For what it's worth.

Where did you meet him?

In the car park.

He'd come back from playing football and
I couldn't start the car here.

He had some of that stuff that you spray
on the engine.

Next thing I know, we've been out for a
drink.

I'll be all right in a minute.

He, um... He said you were in Liverpool.
He told me you were doing some drug

thing with customs and excise.

I've been told he was killed up in
Allenden.

I'm not stupid.

I read the papers.

I know that Mark lied to protect me.

How was he killed?

These are his clothes.

I've finished the autopsy.

It's all right to be viewed.

Massive internal hemorrhaging from the
stab wound.

strangulation after that there's
evidence of a struggle he fought back i

he dug his fingers into the killer's
neck

have you seen everything you

need another couple of minutes

Didn't take his gun with him.

Wherever he went, he felt safe.

You know we'll find the killer.

There'll be forensic evidence.

Rivers would have scarred him when he
fought back.

Can't think about that.

I don't know what to think.

I haven't had a straight thought in my
head since I saw Mark.

Hannah didn't even know he was up here.

Listen, that's not all he was hiding.

I found this in his kitchen.

He got a copy of your personnel file.

Enright gave it to him the day before
you came up.

I don't want to exacerbate your natural
paranoia.

Enright had asked him to compile a
report on your ability to do the job.

And I told him to do it?

What else could he do?

You've got one tool wrong, Dave.

Don't come back at all.

Forget this. You can't revisit the
phone. The local police are looking for

killer. Let them get on with it.

We're going to get the guy who did this.

It's not going to get away with it.

No!

It wasn't me!

Why me?

Why me?

I know you didn't do it. I know you
didn't do it.

I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Regan?

I didn't think anything could touch me
anymore.

He was a friend.

I can still see it.

What was left in the boot of the car?

I don't ever want to look at anything
like that again.

Nothing compares to the shock of seeing
that.

It's changed me for good.

I know that you did it, Michael.

But you sent me the cards.

You wanted me to know that you did it.

You sent me the cards and you left him
where I would find him.

I need you to tell me that you did it,
Michael, otherwise we can't move on.

It's all right, you can say it.

Take it off.

I'm asking you to take it off.

Show me.

Do you know why?

You're lonely. You're afraid of
rejection.

Happens to the best of us, especially
when you don't belong.

You're like me.

You grew up around here, but you never
really felt you fitted in.

You want to be the same, but you're
different.

Peter, Frank, Tony, Carl, they'd all got
something we'd not.

You became a therapist, I moved down to
London.

They became fitters and welders.

It wasn't just because you're lonely,
you wanted the company of a particular

kind of man.

They were strong.

They knew who they were. They knew
where... Well, they thought they knew

they were going.

Killing their wives and girlfriends
brought those men directly to you. You

didn't have to lift a finger.

The police pushed them straight through
your door.

Did you get a hard -on, Tony Carlyle?

I'm not a homosexual.

I never said you were.

Just asking.

Toton to Carlisle, give you an eruption.

I got excited, yeah.

But I never wanted to sleep with her or
anything.

Is it the grief that makes you excited?

You know, you reduce this man to tears.

The one thing he needs more than
anything in the world has just been

from him.

And all he's got left now is you. Is
that how it works?

Well, you know it is.

And is that why I'm here?

Am I your next victim?

No, it isn't like that. I panicked.

I thought Mark had worked it out, but I
panicked. Yes, but you left his body

where I would find him. You must have
wanted me here.

I wanted you to break down.

I'm really sorry.

Well, it's like you said, Michael.

Life goes on.

What's important to me now is that I
don't let him down.

Not just because we're partners.

In fact, he betrayed me to the people I
work for.

It's the fact that he's dead.

And you killed him.

I've got to do something about that.

Who are you calling?

A friend.

I've been looking everywhere for you.

I'm at Lola's house.

Where are you going?

Look,

just stop.

You didn't stop.

You didn't stop with Lisa De Silva. You
carried on.

And by the time you got to Machen, you
cut open Suzanne and you hung her upside

down outside his house. Don't talk about
this. I don't care. I want to know why

you chose Anthony Machen. Doug
McCullough broke it down. Machen came

house. But why did it have to be him?

There are some things in life you cannot
explain.

sacred. And you take life.

You destroy it for personal pleasure.

And then you act out this shitty little
ritual as though the whole thing had

some sort of meaning.

What pushed you over the edge?

Was it Frank?

There was something about Frank that
seemed to bring everything together.

There were things I'd not thought about,
things I didn't know.

He was someone to admire, someone to

be with.

His wife came in for counselling.

She was very upset by the death of
Frank's mother.

Frank came with her.

I started going to see her at home.

I couldn't believe what I was doing.

You know, walking up the stairs, I'm
thinking to myself, what are you doing?

I'm talking to myself, I'm saying, this
is stupid, this is crazy.

This is crazy. You've got to stop this.
You've got to stop this before someone

gets hurt.

And then there was the window.

And it was open.

So you pushed her through it?

There's always the temptation to
destroy, to do what's wrong.

You have to fight against it to preserve
your own sanity.

But you've got to choose what is right.

If I didn't think that was true, you
would be dead now.

What are you doing when you live?

Is this it?

Is this what you used?

It's not here.

Work your way up.

Go and sit in the car.

Wait for me.

I'm the commanding officer here. I'm
ordering you to go outside.

Somebody has got to do it.

Please don't go.

Please go outside.

If you go outside now, you're not a
witness.

I can't do this if you're here.

Going in would be a pleasure. You're
going to enjoy it.

That's going to stick with you for the
rest of your life.

Now give me the knife.

I don't want you to do this. Give me the
knife.

Mark would not want you to do this.

Give it to me.

Everybody trusted you.

Interview between David Cregan and Susan
Taylor of the Organised and Serial

Crimes Unit and Michael James Lawler.

The time is 22 .17.

I didn't have anything against the
women.

I tried to kill Lisa.

Because of Frank.

I killed Melanie Holland because of
John.

I killed Suzanne because of Anthony.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tell us about Anthony Machen.

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