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Tonight on History's Greatest Mysteries.
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The Roswell investigation goes into
uncharted territory.
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Previously, a cryptic journal may hold
vital clues to what crashed near Roswell
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in 1947.
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It belonged to an Army intelligence
officer who inspected the wreckage and
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sure it was extraterrestrial.
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It was not anything from this earth that
I'm quite sure of.
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But the Army said it was a routine
weather balloon.
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Decades later, that officer, Jesse
Marcel, said he was forced to lie.
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But all I could do is keep a mouth shut.
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His family hopes a former CIA
investigator will find the truth, which
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hiding inside the mysterious journal.
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What I'm seeing throughout the document
is consistent with that time period.
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It has been authenticated by a forensic
document expert.
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But what does the strange writing mean?
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I'm Lawrence Fishburne.
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As our mystery continues, a famed
cryptologist examines the journal for
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a code.
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Is there a message the writer wanted the
world to hear? And can new technology
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read the words of a memo from a
photograph taken after the Roswell
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If this document says victims of the
wreck, it negates the skeptical
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about the Roswell case.
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And tracking down the family of alleged
eyewitnesses who say they already know
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the truth. There were little people
walking around, and there were some dead
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some alive.
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What really happened at Roswell, New
Mexico?
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an event that has obsessed the world.
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It's difficult to determine whether or
not those are three numerical sevens or
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whether they are meant to form the
capital letter M.
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What's the date of that page? August
31st, 1947.
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That's interesting.
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Your grandpa would have been in Roswell
at that point. Yeah, he would have been
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in Roswell, yes.
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Former CIA investigator Ben Smith has
returned to the office of Jennifer
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one of America's top handwriting
experts.
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Joining Smith is Jesse Marcel's
grandson, who believes his grandfather
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between his duty as an intelligence
officer to keep secrets.
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and a hunger to tell people what he
really saw.
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I think my grandfather really wanted to
tell everything he knew about it. I
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can't believe for a second that he was
going to let the story die with him.
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For more than a month, Nassau has been
analyzing the puzzling journal that
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Marcel kept among his most valuable
papers.
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She has determined that the journal was
written during the time period of the
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Roswell incident.
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It's this great mystery. Why did Jesse
keep this journal?
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What could it tell us about Roswell?
What he said was the defining event of
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life.
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So what then have you learned about the
handwriting?
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So I did a handwriting comparison with
the journal and the known specimens I
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for Jesse Marcel.
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So here is the lowercase T formation.
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Okay. Where it starts going up, comes
down, forms a loop, and ends to create
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bowl of the pea. Okay.
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Here is...
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The known specimen writing I had of
Jesse Marcel and here's a P in Japanese.
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Yeah. And it does not have that high
approach coming around to loop and
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finishing with the P.
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Whereas that is seen throughout this
document.
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So it's a constructural significant
difference that I'm seeing. So this
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was not written in Major Marcel's
handwriting.
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Not. based on the known writing I had
for comparison.
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It is astonishing news.
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Jesse Marcel is not the author of the
journal.
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There's no proof indicating it's a hoax
or a forgery or that it's anything but
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an important document to your
grandfather in Roswell at the time. At
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Because it actually raises more
questions than answers.
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This is intriguing.
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The paper and ink are from the right
period, but Jesse is not the author of
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journal. So why did he keep it under
lock and key for so many years?
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Unlocking the secrets of the journal
will take more investigating.
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It's not my grandfather's handwriting.
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Who wrote it? And what does it mean?
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Is it a code that can be deciphered?
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To find out more, Ben Smith heads to the
photo archive of a major university.
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He's hoping to find supporting evidence
to verify Marcel's story.
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that whatever crashed at Roswell was
extraterrestrial.
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I'm at the University of Texas,
Arlington, where they keep the original
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of the infamous Ramey photo.
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That photo of the press conference
staged by General Roger Ramey has long
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intrigued investigators.
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His colleague, General Thomas DuBose, is
holding up a piece of a weather
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balloon, which Ramey tells reporters is
what really crashed in Roswell.
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But look more closely.
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In his hand, Rainey is holding a memo,
too blurry to read, that some believe
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could confirm Jesse Marcel's story of a
flying saucer.
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Here to meet Kevin Randall, to learn
about the history of all the analyses
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conducted on this photo, and also to
figure out what more can we do to
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the message on that memo.
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Kevin.
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Ben.
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So nice to meet you.
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Good to meet you, too. Grab a chair.
Sure.
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Kevin Randall has written more than 80
books and is a former intelligence
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officer and lieutenant colonel in the
Iowa National Guard.
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Among ufologists, he's considered one of
the preeminent experts on the Roswell
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crash. The Rainey memo is an interesting
part of the Roswell incident because
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it's a photo of potential debris with
Jesse Marcel.
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It's important because we have a
provenance for it.
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We can say this picture was taken on
July 8, 1947, in General Ramey's office.
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We've got the time. We know who the
photographer was. We know who all the
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participants were.
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On July 7, 1947,
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Jesse Marcel returned to Roswell Army
Airfield with what he thought was debris
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from a flying saucer that crashed on a
remote ranch 75 miles to the west.
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After viewing the strange material, the
base commander for the 509th Colonel
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William Blanchard decided to issue a
press release.
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The press release shows up. Newspapers
all over the country, obviously.
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Fort Worth Star -Telegram gets it.
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They say, head out to the base and see
what's going on. They've got a flying
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saucer.
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News of a flying saucer set off alarm
bells at 8th Division headquarters.
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So the next day, General Roger Ramey
held that famous press conference to set
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the record straight.
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General Ramey is the one who told the
newsman it was nothing more than a
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observation balloon.
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Of course, which we both knew
differently.
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The only reporter in the room is J. Bon
Johnson, and he's communicating with the
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general, and he poses Marcel with it,
but apparently doesn't ask him any
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questions. Or if he does ask him
questions, Ramey would answer them.
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He told me not to say anything.
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He says, I'll have it from now on.
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And that's exactly what he did.
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It was definitely not a mother balloon.
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What it could have been, I wouldn't
know.
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Jesse Marcel's grandchildren believe he
was completely blindsided by General
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Ramey's press conference.
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I see my grandfather holding up
something that he knew that wasn't what
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found. He was adamant that this was not
what he saw on the Drayfield.
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The controversy over what crashed near
Roswell.
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has made this photo the subject of
intense scrutiny.
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You know what we ought to do is take a
look at the thing, give you an idea of
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exactly what we're talking about so that
you can see what's been done. Yeah,
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let's do that.
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People have been looking at this
document for literally decades trying to
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determine what this memo says.
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The problem with the Ramey memo is it's
taken at a slight angle.
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crotch to his hand, so it's got some
folds in it. So we're trying to
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the negative in such a way that we don't
read into it what we want to read into
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it. Right here by the thumb is the words
Fort Worth, Texas.
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At Fort Worth, Texas. Very, very
critical given the time of the
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You move down here toward the end of the
memo, toward the very end and to the
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right side, you can see it says weather
balloons as well. Oh, yeah, look at
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that. You really can.
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So that gives us an idea of what the
document is about. It's not the laundry
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list. It's not a grocery list. It has to
do with what's going on there in
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Roswell. The other thing that is
important is right down here, we have
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Now, if we can determine what that word
is, that might tell us something. If
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it's Ramey, then this is a document that
was prepared by General Ramey, and that
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provides us with a little bit of
information about it.
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Some people interpret it as temple.
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Oddly, Temple was a codename of J. Edgar
Hoover.
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No case ever ends for the Federal Bureau
of Investigation until it is solved and
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closed with the conviction of the guilty
or the acquittal of the innocent.
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It would not be surprising if the memo
referred to J. Edgar Hoover, the
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legendary 37 -year director of the FBI.
No clue, no matter how seemingly
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unimportant, can be overlooked.
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He'd been pushing for the FBI to have
access to the Army's investigation of
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Roswell. but had been turned down.
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In a note dated July 15, 1947, just days
after the crash, Hoover contemplated
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the idea of creating a special FBI unit
to investigate UFOs.
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I would consider it, Hoover wrote,
adding that we must insist on full
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the disk recovered.
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But the important part of this is this
sentence right here.
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Could be victims of the wreck.
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Victims take us in one direction,
suggest something.
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Could be viewing of the wreck. Totally
different.
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If there's victims, that implies a
flight crew.
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And a flight crew implies an alien
spacecraft because there's no flight
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crew in a weather balloon.
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The previous press release put out the
day before didn't mention anything
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about...
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If this document says victims of the
wreck, it negates an awful lot of the
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skeptical arguments about the Roswell
case.
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I think there's some new technology we
can bring to get down to the micron
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and really bring out the text to
decipher the meaning of the memo.
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Anything like that would be great,
because what we need to know is what it
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The photo archive at the University of
Texas at Arlington holds 4 .5 million
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negatives, most of which are stored at
38 degrees Fahrenheit to prevent them
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from deteriorating.
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So why does the rainy photo negative
need to be stored in cold conditions?
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It's in that very vulnerable time period
from the 1930s to the 1950s or so.
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Those acetate negatives in particular
stored in regular room temperatures will
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deteriorate.
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It's identified as Brigadier General
Roger Ramey left in Colonel Thomas J.
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DuBose looking over the wind forecasting
device.
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Wind forecasting. Yes.
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There are also pictures of weather
balloons that are included in the series
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negatives. That's what they were saying.
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Fascinating.
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Wow.
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The memo is just...
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What, a quarter of an inch long?
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About that, and it's folded so you can't
see the whole thing.
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I'd like to actually bring in some
analysts with some new technology called
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gigamacro photography using a microscope
to actually look at the sub -levels of
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the negative.
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It will be the most powerful microscope
ever used to read the words in the memo.
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And if Ben Smith can bring into focus
the word victims, it could expose one of
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the greatest cover -ups in history.
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Ben Smith has gotten exclusive
permission from the University of Texas
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Archive to analyze the negative of a 70
-year -old image.
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It was snapped at the Army press
conference, where Jesse Marcel said he
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forced to go along with a cover story,
that a weather balloon, not a flying
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saucer, crashed near Roswell.
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General Ramey is the one who told the
newsman it was nothing more than a
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observation balloon.
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Of course, which we both knew
differently.
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How's it going?
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Good. Smith has traveled here with Gene
Cooper, an expert operator of the
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Gigamacro, a powerful microscope that
will be used to try to read the blurry
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memo in General Roger Ramey's hand.
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This Ramey photo is a piece of history
that you won't find anywhere else. I'm
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excited I get to see it with my own
eyes. I don't get to touch it, but I do
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to use the latest technology to peer
into it at the molecular level.
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to see if we can decipher whatever
message is in that memo.
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My goal is to read the memo in General
Ramey's hands.
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It's the spark of a lot of controversy,
but if we can figure out what it says,
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we can perhaps solve the Roswell
mystery.
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So what we're going to do is we're going
to get down into the grains of the
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emulsion. We're going to go up to 80
,000 dpi with the camera system that we
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have here.
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It's going to take a series of focal
stacks, which is...
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bringing all those depth of field into
view.
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We're going to merge all those together.
We're going to then do it over the
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entire area of that memo and then see
what we find.
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And nobody's done it to this photo yet?
No.
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No. I believe that the last scan done in
2015 was around 1 ,000 dpi.
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And what we'll be doing today is in the
neighborhood of 60 ,000 to 80 ,000 dpi.
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Wow.
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Wow, so we really might be able to read
this thing. That's what we're hopeful
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of, and I'm excited to get in there and
see what we can find.
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Oh, yeah, this could be great.
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To try and read the memo, Gene Cooper
will focus in on hundreds of micro
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and then begin the painstaking job of
stitching them together into a mosaic.
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While Cooper works, Ben Smith travels
back to Roswell.
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to follow up on an intriguing lead.
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Is there any other information to help
me in my investigation to get to that
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ground level truth?
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Local residents have been reluctant to
give Smith the names of acquaintances
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that claim to know more details of the
Roswell story than Jesse Marcel ever
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divulged publicly.
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Why the hesitancy to share with me his
name?
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It's privacy.
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We're still protecting the people who
have been most affected.
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When the government says you don't talk
about something, you didn't talk about
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him.
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Smith has located Barbara Dugar,
granddaughter of Sheriff George Wilcox,
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who first alerted the military that some
strange wreckage had been found in the
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field. Sheriff Wilcox is the fourth
person in that inner ring of witnesses
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with firsthand knowledge of what was on
that debris field.
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Wilcox got to see the debris himself
when rancher Mack Brazel brought some to
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the sheriff's office.
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Smith wants to find out what else Wilcox
might have told his family.
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If you could, I'd like to hear about
your connection to Sheriff George
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I am Inez Wilcox and George Wilcox's
granddaughter.
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My grandfather, George Wilcox, was a
very kind and loving man.
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He tried to help the people that...
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Didn't have anything because, you know,
Roswell at that time wasn't a real
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prosperous city.
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And when did you first hear about his
connection to the events of July 1947?
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In 1969, I was at my grandmother's
house, Inez Wilcox, and it was the
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same day that they had landed on the
moon. And that's when my grandmother
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me about the Roswell incident.
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And what did she say?
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My grandmother got up from her seat, and
she closed the door.
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She locked it. She put the blinds down.
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And I looked at her, and that was not
her behavior.
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She was very positive, very beautiful
and wonderful. And she said, I have
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something that I must tell you, and you
must promise me that you will never,
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ever, ever tell this story to anyone.
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If you do, we will all be killed.
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And she started telling the story to my
sister Phyllis and I.
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According to Barbara Dugar, when her
grandfather got to the crash site, it
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already surrounded by the military, and
they weren't happy to see him.
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My grandfather went out to see what had
happened. When he got there, he saw the
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spaceship. The flying saucer had crashed
outside of Roswell.
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There were aliens.
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And then she talked about the aliens and
how they were dressed.
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How were they dressed?
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Well, they had on a silk suit and they
had the big eyes.
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She said there were little people
walking around and there were some dead
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some alive.
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I mean, I just sat there and leaned back
in my chair and thought.
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Barbara Dugar believed even more than
the spaceship debris.
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It was the arrival of aliens on Earth
that the military wanted to keep secret.
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Then the military came and told him to
go back to the office because there
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be a lot of interviewing.
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They surrounded the courthouse. They
came in. They roughed George Wilcox up
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front of Big Mom. And she said a red
-headed colonel came into the office.
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and told granddaddy, got him and told
him in no uncertain terms.
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If they told the story of the Roswell
incident, that their family would be
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killed and all their grandchildren, I
mean, they threatened them. And I said
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her, I said, you really believe, Big
Mom, that the military is going to come
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kill all of us? And she said, yes, and
they will.
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It sounds like it really affected your
grandmother.
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Yes. She knew that they meant business.
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My grandmother Inez Wilcox and George
Wilcox had been harassed. They
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had been threatened.
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And their lives had been changed.
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My grandfather went crazy.
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And my grandmother had to go through a
lot of hell because of that.
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How do you connect your...
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grandfather's mental illness to the
events of Roswell. What leads you to
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conclusion? My grandfather was perfectly
normal.
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He wouldn't have been sheriff of
Roswell. Right. He was well respected
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I've read.
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And after that, he was not normal ever
again.
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Ever again.
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And if somebody from the government
doesn't like it, well, that's just too
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bad.
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It is real. The Roswell incident is
real.
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It's a powerful story, and I will weigh
it with the rest of my investigation,
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and hopefully we can get to truth.
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People in America and the world need to
know that the Roswell incident is real.
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And the government can't say it's not
true, it's an air balloon, it's a
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balloon. It isn't. It was real.
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our way to what we second debrief site
what we call the impact site the impact
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site yes after meeting with the
granddaughter of a key eyewitness when
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there he saw the spaceship ben smith
wants to find physical evidence from the
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crash in roswell so he's linking up with
ufo researcher and author don schmidt
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who claims to have interviewed 600
eyewitnesses connected to the event
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So who are our primary witnesses that
identify this site?
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Initially, it was the family of Sheriff
Wilcox when they were describing his
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coming out north of town.
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It was Schmidt who first took Ben Smith
to the debris field west of Roswell,
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the site where Major Jesse Marcel
collected pieces of what he saw.
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This is where it all began back in 1947.
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But today they are on their way to a
different location, referred to as the
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impact site, which is north of Roswell.
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Forty miles, forty miles north of
Roswell. That was the drumbeat we were
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for years.
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Schmidt believes that a spacecraft
initially hit the ground at the debris
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where pieces broke off.
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But then it skipped 25 miles to this
impact site, where it finally came to
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They had the much more spectacular, the
much more sensitive impact site just
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north of town.
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And this is where it was much more than
just debris and strange wreckage. There
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were also remains.
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There were also bodies.
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The third member of the team is Frank
Kimbler.
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a veteran geologist based at the New
Mexico Military Institute.
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I've been wanting to go out to this
final impact site for a couple of years.
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Kimbler has combed every inch of the
debris field, searching for pieces of
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wreckage. But this is his first visit to
the alleged impact site.
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I like science fiction, but I also like
science fact.
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I actually lived here for six months in
Roswell before I even visited the UFO
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museum. Then I went down to the museum
and I said, you know what there's no
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there's no physical evidence and and
that was the whole chest behind this if
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kimbler can find traces that a spaceship
crashed here it would mean jesse marcel
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was right about the source of the
wreckage at the debris field i'm excited
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this site because it feels fresh it's on
private property it's not known to the
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public it's not marked on any tourist
map it's been protected all this time
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The debris field was always conceited.
That was the one thing that even the
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press release was based on.
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Mack Brazel, the strangeness of the
debris, the unusual characteristics, the
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qualities of that wreckage.
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They've got the debris field.
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It's scattered debris. It's clearly, to
them, something that's not terrestrially
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oriented. They don't know where it's
from, but they're looking for something
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else. And it was on one of those
flights.
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that they found the rest of the
wreckage.
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At the very time that the rancher, Matt
Brazel, has led Major
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Jesse Marcel as well as Captain Sheridan
Cavett back to the debris field.
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So while they are investigating that
location, the debris field, the military
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alerted to an additional site just 40
miles north of town.
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which we would learn was the impact
site. The remains of the craft and the
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bodies recovered.
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Don, you know that story about the
McKnights going over to the Ball family
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before the military came out? Yes. And
basically said, hey, do you want to come
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over and see the little people?
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Right. That was the talk back then, the
little people. Little people. The little
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people, the little men.
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According to the alleged eyewitnesses,
several members of the alien crew were
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badly injured or dead.
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Would this have been before they made
the press release or after?
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Before. Because given the crash
happened, this was the late evening of
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So there's a full four to five days
before the military
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actually is able to seal off the areas,
come in.
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and conduct a recovery operation.
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The story of a man named Frank Kaufman
has never been verified.
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He claims he was a civilian attached to
a military unit assigned to recover
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alien bodies and the spaceship at the
impact site.
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Kaufman gave this interview in 1995.
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There is a lot of erratic movement on
the radar screen.
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Then all of a sudden there was kind of a
flash, and it just disappeared, or
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something just went down.
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After spotting an unidentified aircraft,
they headed to the location where it
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had disappeared from radar.
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We got to where it was, and we learned
right then and there it wasn't a plane,
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it wasn't a missile. It was kind of a
strange -looking...
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craft and it was open and kind of
halfway witnesses not only observing
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the egg -shaped craft about the size of
a volkswagen beetle seeing a number of
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bodies one body was thrown up against
the wall the other one was was
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half in and half out of the craft
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And when we got in close, we noticed
that there were three others inside the
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craft.
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According to Kaufman's story, the convoy
loaded up the ship and the alien bodies
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into trucks and headed back to the same
base where Jesse Marcel had brought his
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debris.
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If there was the remains of a craft and
bodies,
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Where would that be located?
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If a flying saucer with alien bodies was
recovered at Roswell, Ben Smith hopes
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that there still could be evidence at
the site where the object might have
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to rest.
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The search for the Holy Grail, as we
would call it, continues.
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Yeah. The debris field is where Jesse
Marcel found pieces of wreckage, but
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according to Don Schmidt, it is not
where the object finally came to rest.
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He believes it hit the debris field and
skipped like a rock to land at what he
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calls the final impact site.
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The only wooden windmill on this ranch,
40 miles north of Roswell.
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Schmidt says eyewitnesses remembered
certain landmarks here, including a
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windmill and a water tank.
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Feast of the windmill. Feast of the
original windmill. There it is.
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Wow. I mean, this thing is a historical
relic now.
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It is a relic. I mean, you see by the
condition of the wood, and that was the
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one crucial element in the description
of the witnesses, that it was a wooden
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windmill. How tall would that windmill
have been, you think?
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Fifteen feet. Okay. So it wasn't where
you would think, you know, a towering
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structure, because as you see the
prevailing wind, it didn't take much to
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those blades going.
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You see the empty bed where the metal
water tank existed back in 1947.
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So you see by its circumference. Yeah.
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It was about eight feet high. Yep. As it
was when we were first out here. As I
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look around, I see the Capitan
Mountains, the same mountains we could
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the debris site that Mack Braswell
identified. So coming about 25 miles
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that direction, parallel to the Capitans
almost, coming towards Roswell. Yes.
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Okay.
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So if we have the windmill right here,
so let's walk back towards the Brazel
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debris site, 100 feet, and we'll set you
up to begin your survey.
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That'll work.
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All right. Sounds good. Yeah.
432
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:56,950
I can't wait to take out a metal
detector and see if we can find
433
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:57,950
here. It would be great.
434
00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,490
For Kimbler, this is virgin ground.
435
00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:02,390
He has never explored it before.
436
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,910
It's a fresh chance to uncover evidence.
437
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:14,230
Well, I don't know, a piece of old wire.
438
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:18,230
See, that's the thing about this. I
think we're too close to the windmill,
439
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:24,190
we're going to end up with a lot of
trash in the general vicinity.
440
00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:29,210
If you've got the evidence, if you have
a piece of a UFO in your hand and you
441
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:32,810
can prove that it is of extraterrestrial
origin, it's history -making. That is a
442
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:34,750
quest like looking for the Holy Grail.
443
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:36,130
Oh, look at this.
444
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,500
That was right on the surface. I wonder
if that's a bullet casing, and that's a
445
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,380
high -powered one, too.
446
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,940
Today, Kimbler is looking for metallic
debris.
447
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Alleged eyewitnesses say that when the
military first came to this site, they
448
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,000
tried to clean up any evidence of what
crashed.
449
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,079
Find something?
450
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Yeah, we need to dig this one up.
451
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:05,540
So it's right there.
452
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Right there. X marks the spot.
453
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Oh,
454
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640
here we go.
455
00:31:15,860 --> 00:31:16,860
Did you find it?
456
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:22,500
It's a little sharp.
457
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,980
It looks corroded. I don't know what
that is.
458
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,199
It's heavy.
459
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,500
It is a little green, so maybe a little
copper in there. Copper. It's been
460
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,500
buried for a little while.
461
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,100
Let's just bag it up.
462
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:39,050
So, mark the waypoint. Now we've got the
exact location. We can plot this on
463
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:40,009
Google Earth.
464
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:42,910
We'll know exactly where we are and
where the piece was found.
465
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:50,690
Had this site not existed, if witnesses
had not described this location with
466
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:55,490
bodies and a spaceship, then we might
not have the Roswell conspiracy that
467
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:56,490
exists today.
468
00:31:57,050 --> 00:32:00,830
I don't know what to make of it just
yet. There are supporting details that
469
00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:03,730
suggest... Something bigger happened
here.
470
00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:08,630
Ben Smith will have this piece of metal
tested to see if it could be a bullet
471
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:15,030
casing from the 1940s or possibly a kind
of material mankind hadn't yet
472
00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:16,030
manufactured.
473
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:22,290
Meanwhile, progress has been made on
another important test.
474
00:32:23,410 --> 00:32:28,030
At the University of Texas, Gene Cooper
has been taking history's closest look.
475
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,980
at the negative from the famous photo
using a giga -macro microscope to focus
476
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:36,560
the memo held by General Roger Ramey.
477
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Gentlemen.
478
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,340
Hey. Hello.
479
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:45,620
How's it going?
480
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,900
Good. How's the analysis going? We've
been busy here.
481
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:54,380
Gene Cooper's goal is to create the most
high -resolution image possible.
482
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,900
The giga -macro's lens is so powerful.
483
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,780
it can capture the grains of a negative
at 80 ,000 dots per square inch.
484
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:07,920
We shot probably around 3 ,000, 4 ,000
images total.
485
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:13,860
Wow. It's a combination of focal
stacking and then image mosaic
486
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:14,860
it all together.
487
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Nobody's ever tried this before.
488
00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:22,080
We will have created the clearest
resolution in the history of this iconic
489
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,980
photo. The question is, will we be able
to read it?
490
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,360
And will we find the smoking gun that
proves the eyewitness is right?
491
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:35,780
So in this case, we're looking at the
very top of the acetate base of the
492
00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:39,440
negative. And on there, you'll see
different scratches and different
493
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:44,280
So this one that's right next to a key
point, a letter there. That little dot
494
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,700
here. That little dot there. You can see
it there. You'd normally see it on a
495
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:48,519
regular scan.
496
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,440
But when I actually focus down into the
negative, it disappears.
497
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:53,659
Oh, perfect.
498
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:58,560
and not by any cloning or copying
material from one location to the other
499
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,860
anything like that digitally, purely
optically. We can start enhancing it to
500
00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:08,340
bring out and take a closer look at each
of the individual letters and phrases.
501
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:12,800
The memo is one of the most
controversial parts of the Roswell
502
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,340
A lot of ufologists believe that it
contains a reference to victims. So the
503
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:20,179
question is, can the gigamacro identify
that word?
504
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,800
I mean, right away...
505
00:34:23,469 --> 00:34:26,409
I noticed our word victims looks like it
starts with a P.
506
00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:28,710
Do you see that too?
507
00:34:28,929 --> 00:34:32,690
Yeah, when he first brought it up, I
thought the word became pending.
508
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:38,909
This extraordinary high -resolution
version produced by the Gigamacro shows
509
00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:42,150
photo in greater detail than anyone has
ever seen before.
510
00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:47,030
What about, yeah, the signature. Can we
see the signature line?
511
00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:48,710
The signature line.
512
00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:51,909
R -A.
513
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:56,020
M -E -Y?
514
00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,200
Y is way separated from the word.
515
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,720
Could that be like a slight rise in the
paper or something, like an optical
516
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:05,720
illusion? I don't know.
517
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,220
It could, in fact, be an optical
illusion based on the way the camera was
518
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:16,340
and the lens of the camera and the
lighting can feel things from us.
519
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,560
Right.
520
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680
So do we have any...
521
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:25,260
samples of actual teletype or fonts from
the age?
522
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,620
Yeah, we did look up. There was a font
case that did match, and it actually
523
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,620
looks something like this.
524
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,300
Actually, that's really fascinating
because I, for some reason in my mind,
525
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,520
expected the letters to be of varying
widths and sizes a bit like they are in
526
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520
modern fonts.
527
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:44,140
So go back to that rainy photo.
528
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:48,600
Yeah, the uniform size of each letter
really makes...
529
00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:51,070
More possibilities, actually.
530
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:57,030
We're getting closer now to clarity. We
can start to feel, but it still feels
531
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:59,330
fuzzy, like we're groping for the answer
that we want.
532
00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:03,590
Is this about as far as you can go with
magnification without just losing
533
00:36:03,590 --> 00:36:08,490
everything? You are at this point seeing
the grains of the emulsion layer, the
534
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:11,430
silver halides, and there's nothing more
to see beyond that.
535
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,730
I was a little disappointed there wasn't
perfect clarity in that image.
536
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,700
But using those new details, I think
there's enough there to continue pushing
537
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,700
forward to identify the different
letters in that memo.
538
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:29,440
They have come closer than anyone ever
has to reading the words in the infamous
539
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,440
Ramey memo.
540
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,680
But if it does say victims in the wreck,
Ben Smith will have to find another way
541
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,680
to prove it.
542
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,360
Ben Smith believed Jesse Marcel knew far
more than he ever admitted in public.
543
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,020
I was familiar with all materials used
in aircraft.
544
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,460
This was nothing like that.
545
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:56,040
As an intelligence officer, Marcel knew
that he was duty -bound to keep
546
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,460
classified secrets for life.
547
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,460
It's curious. Jesse said the wreckage he
found was extraterrestrial. But if he
548
00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:06,560
thought it was an alien spacecraft, why
didn't he mention its crew?
549
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,660
Does the journal Marcel kept close his
whole life?
550
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:15,510
contained the rest of the story,
including details of a cover -up.
551
00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:21,370
What Smith knows so far is that Marcel
didn't write it himself, and it is a
552
00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:24,230
jumble of disconnected phrases that
might be code.
553
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:28,630
When down in the mouth, remember Jonah.
He came out all right.
554
00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:34,350
If this journal is related to the events
of Roswell, and you're writing it to
555
00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:39,110
conceal your thoughts, it's an
interesting quote to start off your
556
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:43,520
How did it go out there?
557
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,220
It's been interesting.
558
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,220
To discuss how to push the journal
investigation forward, Ben Smith is
559
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:55,380
with Joe Pappalardo, an aviation expert
and author of Spaceport Earth, the
560
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:56,640
Reinvention of Spaceflight.
561
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:00,280
Pappalardo is well -versed in the
Roswell story.
562
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,400
I went to a former Secret Service
authenticator. Uh -huh. She cut her
563
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,600
tracking threats.
564
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,300
from crazy people and nefarious people.
565
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480
She linked the letter to the person
writing it to build a criminal case?
566
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:20,160
Yeah, basically. That had to hold up in
court, so she's the real deal.
567
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:21,380
Yeah.
568
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,880
The first question we started out with
was, is this an authentic document?
569
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,220
The paper itself dates to prior to 1950.
570
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:30,479
Okay.
571
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,440
So she actually looked at the ink, which
suggests that it was written before
572
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,100
there were ballpoint pens.
573
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,180
So again, before 1950.
574
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:43,290
Another feature she identified was this
watermark.
575
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:50,030
This watermark belongs to a paper mill
located in Juniata, Pennsylvania,
576
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:54,290
County, which is actually next to
Harrisburg, where Jesse went to
577
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:59,230
school. Now, I don't know yet whether
that's just a coincidence, but it's
578
00:38:59,230 --> 00:39:03,910
exciting that at least the journal
itself and the ink and the paper are all
579
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:07,530
legitimate. No matter what else this
says, this journal could say anything or
580
00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:10,570
nothing. But at this point, it has told
you something important, which is the
581
00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:12,410
Marcel family is acting in good faith.
582
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:16,850
If you had found that the paper and the
ink didn't match chronologically, you'd
583
00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:20,090
have to doubt every other part of the
story. So this is the foundation by
584
00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:24,550
the rest of the investigation into this
piece of evidence is grounded. Yeah.
585
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:30,390
Now, the sample size of Jesse's
handwriting is actually pretty small.
586
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:34,550
felt fairly confident that the
handwriting in this journal did not
587
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:35,550
Marcel's.
588
00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:37,370
That's even more intriguing.
589
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,220
If it's not his, why did he keep it?
590
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:48,000
Jesse Marcel stayed silent for more than
30 years, working as an ordinary TV
591
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,440
repairman in his hometown of Houma,
Louisiana.
592
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,600
We left Roswell perhaps around 3 .30 or
4 o 'clock in the afternoon.
593
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,880
It is very difficult. In fact, with just
verbal directions, we never would have
594
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,519
found it.
595
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,630
In 1980... He returned to Roswell and
gave that bombshell TV interview in
596
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:14,710
he claimed before the world that he'd
been forced to lie about what he'd found
597
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:15,970
in the debris field.
598
00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:20,150
I had never seen anything like that
before. As of now, I don't know what it
599
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:26,230
After Marcel went public, several
retired officers from the 509th spoke up
600
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:31,610
support his story of a cover -up and
added the extraordinary claim that the
601
00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:35,050
had recovered a spaceship and the bodies
of aliens.
602
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:40,750
Some of that testimony was recorded by
ufologists in a 1991 documentary called
603
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:42,810
Recollections of Roswell.
604
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:49,090
I had learned, of course, that the
sergeant of the guard with a series of
605
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:50,570
went out and they surrounded the site.
606
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:55,630
Robert Shirky was assistant operations
officer for the 509th Bomber Group.
607
00:40:56,390 --> 00:41:00,830
And then they swept the area and picked
up everything they could, and the bodies
608
00:41:00,830 --> 00:41:01,830
were brought in.
609
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,200
And everything was laid out in Hangar
84.
610
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,660
Hangar 84 has figured prominently in the
stories of alleged eyewitnesses who say
611
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:16,000
it's where the secrets of this
extraterrestrial crash were hidden.
612
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:23,380
I received a telephone call from the
mortuary officer out at the Army
613
00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:24,380
Base.
614
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:29,400
Glenn Dennis was the mortician at the
Ballard Funeral Home, which provided
615
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,710
services. for the Roswell Army Base.
616
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:38,970
He was inquiring about what would be the
smallest possible casket that we could
617
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:41,410
get that would be dramatically sealed.
618
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:47,230
Dennis says he assumed there had been
some kind of deadly accident involving
619
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:48,230
children.
620
00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:51,770
So he delivered three small coffins to
the air base.
621
00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:56,730
I had this friend who was a lieutenant
nurse that I knew quite well.
622
00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:01,640
She said, How did you get in here? What
are you doing in here? And he said,
623
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:05,140
you're going to get in a lot of trouble
if you said, would you please leave and
624
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:06,200
get out of here in a hurry.
625
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,480
By the time I turned around, there was
another officer who said, hey, wait a
626
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,160
minute. And I said, looks like you had a
crash.
627
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,220
Where was the crash?
628
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:22,840
And he said, you get the hell out of
here and you didn't see anything and you
629
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,840
don't talk to anybody.
630
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:28,520
Like Marcel, Walter Hout also with the
509th.
631
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:34,440
felt intimidated to stay silent. This is
censorship, pure and simple.
632
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,840
I don't like it. For many years, Walter
Hout, the 509th Public Information
633
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,980
Officer, claimed he simply did as he was
told and issued that famous press
634
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:52,400
release. But later, Hout told ufologists
that what Marcel said was true and only
635
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,460
a fraction of the story.
636
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,760
He had personally seen the alien bodies
inside Hangar 84.
637
00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:00,960
What do you think it was that was on
that ranch?
638
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,500
Some type of craft from outer space,
639
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:10,000
from where I do not know.
640
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:16,920
There were newspapers at the stand, and
he said, well, I guess now that they're
641
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,940
putting in the paper, I can tell you
about this. I wanted to tell you for
642
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:26,830
Before he died, a pilot named Oliver
Pappy Henderson, who was stationed at
643
00:43:26,830 --> 00:43:32,570
Roswell Army Air Base in July 1947, made
a shocking claim to his wife and
644
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:33,570
daughter.
645
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:38,330
He said, I want you to read this article
because it's a true story.
646
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:45,070
And I not only know that it's true, but
I'm the pilot who flew the wreckage of
647
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:48,610
the UFO to Dayton, Ohio.
648
00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:53,300
According to their testimony, Henderson
told them that he was the one who flew
649
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:58,360
the small coffins from Roswell to Wright
-Patterson, even glimpsing the alien
650
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,360
bodies inside.
651
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,280
I remember him telling me that they were
small people, certainly shorter than we
652
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:12,220
were, pale, slightly planted eyes, sort
of larger heads,
653
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,340
and humanoid looking, human -esque
looking, but not like us.
654
00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:22,270
Could these stories be validated in the
journal that belonged to Jesse Marcel?
655
00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:26,730
There is no way of knowing until it is
deciphered.
656
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:32,870
One question that I'm considering was,
was this handed to him for safekeeping?
657
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:38,370
I'm hoping that I can get more
handwriting samples of other people in
658
00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:43,590
group to see if this might have been
passed to him by somebody else within
659
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:44,590
bomber group.
660
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,420
It's written by the same person. And for
me, that raises another question.
661
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:49,880
Why the market shift?
662
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,020
There could be stress involved, but
could stress also mean there could be a
663
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:58,720
distress signal? I don't know if you
remember. Vietnam vets blinking into the
664
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,700
camera with Morse code to relay a
message while they're talking.
665
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,320
The order of these quotes is
nonsensical. It's not clear why they
666
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,320
for the writer.
667
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:10,140
Maybe there's no meaning at all, but it
was just a demonic device.
668
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,940
quote recalls a memory or a detail think
motive too who would give that to him
669
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:20,820
you can understand that if you're a
tight -knit group and you're in the
670
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:24,820
of nowhere you're working an air wing
with nuke it's a pressure cooker they
671
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:29,340
that they could trust each other with
secrets someone might choose him because
672
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:35,300
he was the fall guy for the incident so
if you're going to give your encoded
673
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:38,940
journal or what have you to one figure
from the whole roswell thing you would
674
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,000
likely trust him to do it. Right.
675
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,200
To further investigate Marcel's baffling
journal, former CIA investigator Ben
676
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,660
Smith is meeting with one of the
nation's top cryptologists, Craig Bauer,
677
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:57,860
professor of mathematics at York
University.
678
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,300
Craig. Oh, hi. Must be Ben. That's
right.
679
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,720
Good to meet you. You too. I brought by
the document that we discussed on the
680
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,720
phone.
681
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,440
I can't remember how much I told you,
but I have with me a journal that
682
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,240
to a man by the name of Major Jesse
Marcel, Sr.
683
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,600
He was an Army intelligence officer and
was at the center of the Roswell
684
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,640
incident in 1947, the alleged UFO crash
out in the desert of New Mexico.
685
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:32,160
The family, after his death, finds this
journal hidden with his military
686
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,760
records, but it's not in his
handwriting.
687
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,020
Now, I've flipped through this a little
bit.
688
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,540
Quotes, a lot of musings.
689
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,340
It's not addressed to anybody. There
aren't any names that I can pick out.
690
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,760
It doesn't appear to be
autobiographical?
691
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,580
No. Okay. From what I can tell. Yeah.
692
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:57,080
With my background in intelligence, I'm
curious if this is perhaps encoded, if
693
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,840
whoever owned this journal had sensitive
information they wanted to pass on
694
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,280
without actually revealing it.
695
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:06,940
But I need your help. I can't make sense
of it.
696
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,860
You know, I'll let you look through it.
697
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,060
Okay. There are a lot of ways that you
could hide a message in a journal.
698
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:19,900
I'm a mathematician focused on
cryptology, making and breaking codes
699
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:24,440
ciphers. Ciphers are the coolest,
sexiest form of writing that there can
700
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,700
you're reading somebody's diary, you're
flipping through page after page, and
701
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,780
all of a sudden you see something in a
cipher, you know that's the best part of
702
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:33,280
the whole diary, right? This is what you
want to get at.
703
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:38,630
We don't use ciphers for our laundry
list, for our grocery list, right? We
704
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:41,670
ciphers to protect things that are
extremely important or sensitive.
705
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:45,290
So that's the stuff we most want to read
when we're trying to unravel history.
706
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:49,090
Yeah, the text is a little odd.
707
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:51,930
We have uppercase letters in the middle
of a word.
708
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:54,690
This is, you know, obviously a unique
item.
709
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:58,670
I mean, do you have it in a digital form
that, you know, we could really... I
710
00:47:58,670 --> 00:48:00,570
do, yeah. Let me see the digital copy.
711
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,120
I love when I have a cipher to myself,
when I'm the first to have eyes on
712
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,320
something and get a stab at deciphering
it. So it's very exciting to be able to
713
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,400
look at this journal because I'm the
first person with the skills to ferret
714
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,520
what might be hidden there.
715
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:22,040
We have 122 pages of cursive writing.
716
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:29,100
And then on page 123, after Roswell,
August 31st, 1947,
717
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080
it shifts to this.
718
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,800
block letter format.
719
00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:37,100
Now the military's had the debris now
for six weeks.
720
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:39,160
What have they learned in that time?
721
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:43,940
And guys like Jesse Marcel were told to
be quiet about what they found.
722
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:49,140
So this shift to me looks like it could
be the start of something interesting.
723
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,240
Yeah, I see a number of things we could
look at here.
724
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,360
I think this might be intended to be an
M, but it kind of looks like 777.
725
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,480
The document expert pointed that out to
me, that that was a typical way he wrote
726
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,180
Ms, but it's more separated here.
727
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,180
I mean, if it is an M, we have some
dashes after that. Is that the number of
728
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:08,180
letters?
729
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,920
Craig Bauer agrees that the capital Ms
may be the telltale sign that a code is
730
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,960
embedded in the journal.
731
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:20,640
The writing that's intriguing in the
journal, the kind of writing that seems
732
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,720
like it could... be hiding a secret
message falls after whatever happened
733
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,720
Roswell happened in the summer of 1947.
734
00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:31,180
So the timing is kind of interesting.
735
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,080
I'm sure you know 666.
736
00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:37,800
Yeah, I'm familiar. The devil, right?
The number of the beast. The beast,
737
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,660
But also in some systems of belief, 777
is a special number, the perfect being.
738
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Some people equate that with Jesus.
739
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,660
Interesting. So maybe it's just an M,
but...
740
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:50,988
That's something.
741
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:55,770
It says here that 777 is the number of
abundance, and that when angels start
742
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:59,070
sending you this message, it means that
the abundance you have been waiting for
743
00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:00,550
is just there waiting to be unlocked.
744
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:06,190
There is something interesting right in
that first line.
745
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:13,790
We have when with a lowercase n, but
then the next word down ends with an
746
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:14,790
uppercase n.
747
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:20,430
and then in with a lowercase n. Okay.
Why would you suddenly capitalize the
748
00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:21,348
letter in a word?
749
00:50:21,350 --> 00:50:25,270
That's kind of strange and could
indicate something hidden here.
750
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:29,310
So wait a minute, you're telling me that
777 means the angels are providing
751
00:50:29,310 --> 00:50:33,610
abundance, and then immediately in the
next paragraph we have a total shift in
752
00:50:33,610 --> 00:50:34,650
something that could be coded.
753
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:39,230
That is almost too crazy to believe.
754
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,400
Well, let me go ahead and look at a
couple more pages, see what else we have
755
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,400
here.
756
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,460
Ben Smith is certain he's brought the
journal that belonged to Jesse Marcel to
757
00:50:55,460 --> 00:50:56,460
the right place.
758
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:59,260
Okay, here we're one page further along.
759
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Top codebreaker Craig Bauer is starting
to see patterns in the lettering, a
760
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,540
clear signal that a message may be
hidden in code.
761
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,740
Here again you can see some different
forms.
762
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,580
In the second line, in.
763
00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:15,570
It doesn't have a dot on the I.
764
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:20,190
The next line looks like a foreign word.
It does have the dot.
765
00:51:20,530 --> 00:51:23,530
I mean, you could sometimes forget the
dot and I, but if we're seeing two
766
00:51:23,530 --> 00:51:26,990
versions of many letters, there could be
more to it than just forgetfulness.
767
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:29,290
There could be a method to the madness.
768
00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:33,750
It's not like we just have a small
passage. It continues over several
769
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:38,070
there's the potential for, you know, a
little greater depth of information
770
00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:39,070
conveyed here.
771
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:42,190
This is jumping out at me.
772
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:46,620
Again, we have a phenomena where a word
ends with an uppercase letter, short
773
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:47,760
with a capital P.
774
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,680
I mean, he uses lowercase T's elsewhere.
It's not like the whole thing's an
775
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,080
uppercase, you know, somebody shouting
at you in an email.
776
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,380
Right. So while the words themselves are
innocuous, the actual cases of the
777
00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:02,300
letters might indicate some kind of
code?
778
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,340
Yes, there's several ways to do that
with a cipher.
779
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,840
It just doesn't seem natural.
780
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,060
That's one of the giveaways when you're
trying to hide something.
781
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:15,230
The handwriting doesn't look natural or
the characters don't look right.
782
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:20,090
It's just, you know, anything that looks
like a little hinky and off from normal
783
00:52:20,090 --> 00:52:24,970
writing can indicate that the author was
trying to do something else at the same
784
00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:29,310
time. And so it's a sign that this
should bear closer examination.
785
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:30,810
Yeah.
786
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:35,370
After spending less than an hour looking
at the journal, Bauer sees telltale
787
00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:38,390
signs that a code might be embedded in
the text.
788
00:52:39,350 --> 00:52:40,730
To his trained eye.
789
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,680
Having two forms of a single letter
suggests what is called a biliteral
790
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,160
where the alternate form represents a
different letter altogether in what is
791
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,760
known as the B alphabet.
792
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:58,000
We already identified two versions of I,
two versions of T, two versions of N,
793
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,260
so we want to keep rolling with that and
build a little catalog of what's going
794
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:03,320
on in these few pages.
795
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,060
Once you've separated the letters, then
what? Well, we just investigate
796
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:08,060
different schemes.
797
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:09,340
We had...
798
00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:13,460
G like this and G like this. Right.
799
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:19,380
So in some cases it was a lowercase
versus an uppercase, but which of these
800
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:20,380
and which of these is B?
801
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,078
It's unclear.
802
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,920
Right. So we'd have a lot of
possibilities to check.
803
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,000
Any given letter, we'd have two
possibilities, that this form is A or
804
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,799
form is B.
805
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,240
Mm -hmm. So two choices for each letter.
806
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:35,400
Well, 26 letters.
807
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,660
Oh, wow. We'd have that many
possibilities to consider.
808
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,400
That grows pretty fast.
809
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,360
That's 67 ,108 ,864.
810
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Over 67 million possibilities in that
journal.
811
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:57,060
Wow. Well, fortunately, we're not
looking at the journal in 1947.
812
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,120
With the computing power we have now, we
can test all of those and figure out
813
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,360
which one looks the most like English.
Yeah.
814
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:09,500
Do you have a program already that can
do that? No, this is a custom job. Oh,
815
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,520
really? But exciting.
816
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:16,000
I expected it to be hard, but I didn't
think it would take custom code to do
817
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:18,840
But that's impressive. That means I came
to the right guys.
818
00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:20,060
Yeah, it should be fun. Yeah.
819
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960
We'll be in touch. Cool. Thanks, guys.
820
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Have a good trip back.
821
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:30,020
If Craig Bauer can decipher it, the
journal could be the missing link, the
822
00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:31,920
to unlocking what happened at Roswell.
823
00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:42,520
From the moment he broke his silence,
millions of Americans have believed that
824
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Jesse Marcel was telling the truth.
825
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:53,620
His story struck a chord in the 1970s
when unrest over the Vietnam War,
826
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:58,000
with scandals like Watergate, made many
distrustful of big government.
827
00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:05,040
After Marcel, other members of the 509th
elaborated on what happened at Roswell.
828
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,360
What do you think it was?
829
00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:12,190
Some type of craft from outer space,
from where I do not know.
830
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:19,930
By 1990, a Gallup poll reported that
nearly 70 million Americans believed
831
00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:22,110
spaceships had visited the Earth.
832
00:55:23,770 --> 00:55:28,910
Yet the government stayed silent about
Roswell, which it officially considered
833
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:29,910
non -event.
834
00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:34,790
Decades after the crash, and the press
conference that claimed it was a weather
835
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:37,640
balloon, people still asked questions.
836
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,340
The issue is providing to the public
whatever records may still exist, if
837
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:50,840
and there may not be any, but if any on
the Roswell incident, so people can make
838
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,060
their own determination.
839
00:55:52,580 --> 00:55:56,840
That is the mission that I discussed
with the General Accounting Office.
840
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:04,220
Then in 1993, Congressman Stephen Schiff
of New Mexico began pressing hard for
841
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:05,220
answers.
842
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,960
Following his request, the U .S. Air
Force undertook a fresh investigation of
843
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:17,400
Roswell. It examined the records of half
a dozen agencies and even interviewed
844
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,620
those still alive who claimed they'd
been witnesses.
845
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:28,540
The result was a nearly 1 ,000 -page
report made public in 1995.
846
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,400
Colonel Richard Weaver supervised the
investigation and was one of the
847
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,420
authors. We just didn't go to a big
master file that said Roswell and open
848
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:45,140
file folder. We started to methodically
look at all the things that were taking
849
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:50,040
place in the Air Force in 1947 at
Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico.
850
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:56,920
And so we searched a multitude of
records in a multitude of locations
851
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,880
of course, the base had been closed for
a long time.
852
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,420
The report does not dispute that
something crashed in the ranch lands
853
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:09,070
Roswell. But in a stunning twist, it
reveals that it was not a weather
854
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:15,770
If you will read this book, and I'm sure
you're going to take it home tonight
855
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:20,470
and read it, quite frankly, you're going
to find some very interesting and quite
856
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:23,430
fascinating pieces of information about
Air Force research.
857
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:29,230
The Air Force claimed that what crashed
was almost certainly a type of balloon
858
00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:30,530
called a mogul.
859
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:34,250
I don't know what they saw in 47, but
I'm...
860
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:36,590
quite sure it probably was Project
Mogul.
861
00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:43,570
In 1947, the United States launched 32
Mogul balloons over the course of seven
862
00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:48,350
months. They were part of a top secret
project in the growing Cold War with the
863
00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:49,350
Soviet Union.
864
00:57:55,410 --> 00:58:00,950
Each Mogul balloon was essentially a
listening device, equipped to detect the
865
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:04,940
sound waves that would be produced by a
Soviet atomic bomb test.
866
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,720
The U .S. was the only nuclear power in
the world, and keeping track of the
867
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,860
Soviets was the highest priority.
868
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,680
The Mogul balloons were launched from
the Alamogordo Air Base, just 70 miles
869
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,680
from Roswell.
870
00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:24,620
In 1947, it was the misidentification of
these radar reflectors that is most
871
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:26,860
likely the famous flying disc.
872
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,270
Whether you accept that as the Roswell,
Information, I quite frankly don't know.
873
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:36,990
But we do because it overlays so well
with this period of time.
874
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:39,830
For many, the explanation seemed
plausible.
875
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:42,830
But for others, it was deeply
unsatisfying.
876
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:48,290
But the Air Force investigation has been
criticized for not having full access
877
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:53,190
to U .S. Army records, which in 1947
still oversaw the nation's growing air
878
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:56,530
forces. For Don Schmidt and others, it
didn't wash.
879
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:59,670
They were quickly trying to put
together...
880
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,280
Their third explanation.
881
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Ladies and gentlemen, we lied about
Roswell in 1947.
882
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:08,900
We lied about the balloon explanation.
883
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:11,100
But here's our new theory.
884
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,880
And they presented Project Mogul.
885
00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:18,880
What do you think people in Roswell
still are not convinced, no matter what
886
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,880
say?
887
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:23,260
I'm sorry, but I just can't answer that
question for them.
888
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,500
To this day, the family of Jesse Marcel
is definitely not convinced.
889
00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:31,030
It was a mobile balloon.
890
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:38,230
In 1995, the government came out with a
story to explain what the crash at
891
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:39,450
Roswell was.
892
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:43,830
Looking at that information based upon
what my grandfather and my father told
893
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:46,030
me, they just don't match up.
894
00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:59,010
So far, there has never been...
895
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:03,860
A researcher with your experience and
credibility on the site to examine the
896
01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:05,960
potential of a crash. Okay.
897
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,860
The argument over what crashed at
Roswell has always been missing physical
898
01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:12,860
evidence.
899
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,560
Ben Smith is returning to the debris
field where in 1947, Jesse Marcel, a 40
900
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,200
-year -old Army intelligence officer,
was certain he'd picked up pieces of
901
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,800
wreckage that were extraterrestrial.
902
01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:31,020
On this visit... Smith has brought with
him one of America's leading experts on
903
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:32,160
aviation crashes.
904
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:38,440
So a lot of my investigative work on
accidents is post -accident.
905
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,300
David Susi is a former FAA accident
inspector and the author of Malaysia
906
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:49,920
Airlines Flight 370, the commercial
airliner that mysteriously disappeared
907
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,040
without a trace.
908
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,600
Smith hopes that Susie's expert eye will
find something that others have missed.
909
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,260
My hope originally with the tech survey
was that we could bring out all this
910
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:08,300
equipment that didn't exist and all this
software and find evidence of debris or
911
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:13,340
an impact zone or a large -scale cover
-up. And so far, we haven't been able to
912
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:16,060
find anything. What I'd love from you
is...
913
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:22,040
Your perspective on entry angles and the
speeds and something that could explain
914
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,340
the witness accounts at the debris
field. Okay.
915
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,600
Even 70 years after the Roswell crash,
David Soucy knows that some things won't
916
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,480
have changed much at the debris field,
like the topography or landscape
917
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,480
features.
918
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:42,920
What is intriguing to me about this is
the witness credibility aspect of that.
919
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,180
Even when I go on an accident site,
just...
920
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:50,150
days after the accident, there's
credibility issues there. They train us
921
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:55,390
inspectors to vet those witness accounts
because they really believe that they
922
01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:59,070
saw something happen that we know for a
fact didn't happen.
923
01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:04,890
As far as the physical evidence piece,
I'm hoping to find something that I can
924
01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:09,310
say, here's what is here, but at the
very least, we might be able to
925
01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:10,310
what is not there.
926
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,820
Doesn't look like much, but it's the
birthplace of ufology in the United
927
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:24,700
Yeah. Just by measuring the patterns and
velocity of the wind, Susie is
928
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:29,240
confident he can gather enough data to
test the government's claim that what
929
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,160
crashed here was a Mogul balloon.
930
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,700
Mogul was an attempt to acoustically
detect Soviet nuclear blast and
931
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:41,840
missile launches.
932
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:48,480
A Mogul balloon was actually a series of
weather balloons linked together in a
933
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,520
650 -foot high chain, 100 feet taller
than the Washington Monument.
934
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,900
Each balloon chain carried a crude
acoustic sensor called a sonobuoy.
935
01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:06,640
In 1947, it was the misidentification of
these radar reflectors that is most
936
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,860
likely the famous flying disc.
937
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:15,330
The 1995 Air Force report theorized that
Mogul Balloon No.
938
01:03:15,570 --> 01:03:20,710
4, which had been launched on June 4,
1947, was the one that crashed near
939
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:21,710
Roswell.
940
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:26,830
These flights were all meticulously
logged when they were launched and what
941
01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:30,770
weather was and all these things. And
they tried to recover the material if
942
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:37,310
could, but the material in and of itself
wasn't important. The purpose was
943
01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:38,310
important.
944
01:03:39,310 --> 01:03:43,670
It was slightly more than three weeks
between the time Mogul Balloon 4 was
945
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:46,890
reported lost and the Roswell wreckage
was found.
946
01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:55,630
So let me show you exactly what the
witnesses described as a furrow or a
947
01:03:55,630 --> 01:04:01,750
gouge beginning here, heading in that
direction, cut across the landscape for
948
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:05,090
200 to 300 feet in this direction.
949
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:07,470
And how wide?
950
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:08,670
10 feet.
951
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:09,700
10 feet wide.
952
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:15,860
Interesting. And from this location, we
also start the fan of the debris field.
953
01:04:16,180 --> 01:04:20,960
Jesse Marcel Sr. claims that the debris
looks scattered as if something exploded
954
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,960
from the sky.
955
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:27,140
There was so much of it. It was
scattered over such a vast area.
956
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:33,060
Ufologist and author Kevin Randall is an
expert on the Roswell crash.
957
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,940
Randall is certain that Jesse Marcel
would have recognized the wreckage.
958
01:04:39,490 --> 01:04:42,130
Jesse Marcel examined that debris.
959
01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:45,590
Had it been a weather balloon and a ray
-wind target, he would have recognized
960
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:48,230
it, and that would be the end of the
story, and you and I would not be here
961
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:52,170
today. Weather balloons have been used
to take soundings of the atmosphere.
962
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:57,190
They're launched around the world twice
a day, and that's been the case from
963
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:59,310
before 1947 right up to now.
964
01:04:59,810 --> 01:05:04,590
Eventually, they do pop and come down to
Earth or retrieves.
965
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,880
But Richard Weaver says that only
officers directly involved in Project
966
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,880
would have known about it.
967
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:18,000
They classified Mogul top secret, which
means only a few people have a need to
968
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
know.
969
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:25,140
The project's lead engineer was
Professor Charles Moore of New York
970
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,020
He agreed with the government that the
eyewitnesses' descriptions of debris
971
01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:30,720
matched one of his Mogul balloons.
972
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,240
The rancher...
973
01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:38,210
who picked up the debris, noted that it
contained brass eyelets at the corners
974
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:41,170
of these radar targets. They were also
on the targets we flew.
975
01:05:41,790 --> 01:05:45,590
Moore said that the instant news broke
that the Army had recovered a flying
976
01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:49,450
disc, he knew it was his lost Mogul
balloon, number four.
977
01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:54,170
When Moore and his Mogul team learned of
the flap over the Roswell incident, he
978
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:56,890
said they laughed, but they kept quiet
about their project.
979
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,980
So they're saying it went this
direction, which is almost east, right?
980
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:07,860
What I like to do is get a documentation
of the site.
981
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:15,140
I'll take the angle of every photo, and
then we'll be able to map that against
982
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:18,840
what I expect the airflow would have
been.
983
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:23,360
Then what I like to do with every
accident site is get some pictures of
984
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,560
would be the approach path to the impact
point.
985
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,520
So from every location.
986
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:32,230
We take pictures coming in and going
out.
987
01:06:37,090 --> 01:06:41,010
I'm not sure I buy that whole balloon
drag theory.
988
01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:42,510
Really? Down through there.
989
01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:48,630
It's only his first visit to the debris
field, but already this seasoned former
990
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:53,210
FAA crash inspector has doubts that a
Mogul balloon could have crashed here.
991
01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:57,400
Something's wrong with it, with that
whole theory of the fact that it drug
992
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,380
it's straight and there's debris
straight off to the east. Not really
993
01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,279
that.
994
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,160
Think of a balloon going this way.
995
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,980
If it were a mogul balloon that was
settling, as the balloon approaches the
996
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:13,860
ground, it picks up the ground flow. So
it'd be highly irregular to see a
997
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:19,940
balloon accident go across this valley
and continue in that direction the way
998
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:20,940
was described.
999
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:23,470
You've got wind readings up there, wind
readings on the west side, and then wind
1000
01:07:23,470 --> 01:07:26,030
readings in the bottom. Yeah. And you
can see that it changed direction
1001
01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:31,070
throughout that. So we can rule out a
MOGA balloon making contact with the
1002
01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:35,970
at the furrow, dragging across the
ground, laying to rest across that
1003
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:37,570
field. That's not the way it works.
1004
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:42,410
Just not the way it works. I don't know
if you've removed a piece of the puzzle
1005
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:44,610
or added a new one. I'm not sure at this
point.
1006
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:45,950
Just the facts, man.
1007
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:58,870
David Soucy will put his readings into a
computer program designed to analyze
1008
01:07:58,870 --> 01:08:03,750
crash sites. If he determines a Mogul
balloon could not have gone down here,
1009
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:08,290
investigation will be one step closer to
discovering whether Jesse Marcel was
1010
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:09,350
telling the truth.
1011
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:21,970
Because so much of his investigation
hinges on Jesse Marcel's testimony, Ben
1012
01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:27,200
Smith has come to New York City to see
Tanya Ryman, an expert in body language
1013
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,740
and what are called microexpressions.
1014
01:08:31,060 --> 01:08:36,180
This is a photo of the primary subject
of my investigation, an intelligence
1015
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:37,520
officer by the name of Jesse Marcel.
1016
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,979
Here he is in a press release on July
8th, 1947.
1017
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:47,979
He was ordered to pose with this tinfoil
here and say what earlier had been
1018
01:08:47,979 --> 01:08:50,479
reported as a flying saucer was a
weather balloon.
1019
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:55,010
It's not until 1980 that he comes out
publicly and starts speaking to the
1020
01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:58,790
cameras about what he really saw. He was
of the impression that these materials
1021
01:08:58,790 --> 01:09:02,630
were not from this planet. Right. So
that led to the idea that there was a
1022
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:07,670
government cover -up to hide a UFO crash
and bodies and many other extraordinary
1023
01:09:07,670 --> 01:09:12,870
claims. But it all comes back to the
integrity and the testimony of this man
1024
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:13,870
here.
1025
01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:19,050
Smith has brought with him footage of
some of Jesse Marcel's interviews.
1026
01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:24,529
Ryman will watch them closely, looking
for any sign that Jesse Marcel may not
1027
01:09:24,529 --> 01:09:25,529
telling the truth.
1028
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,170
He told me not to say anything.
1029
01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:29,910
He says, I'll have it from now on.
1030
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:32,290
And that's exactly what he did.
1031
01:09:32,750 --> 01:09:38,910
When he came out, he told the press that
was there, he said there was nothing
1032
01:09:38,910 --> 01:09:40,670
but a weather balloon, a crashed weather
balloon.
1033
01:09:41,170 --> 01:09:42,930
It was definitely not a weather balloon.
1034
01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:45,330
And it was an aircraft.
1035
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:49,439
So what it could have been, I wouldn't
know.
1036
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,160
I still don't know.
1037
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:58,340
Is there anything we can take away from
these clips here about whether he's
1038
01:09:58,340 --> 01:09:59,780
being deceptive or not?
1039
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:03,500
We're looking for a few different
things. Is he moving around too much? Is
1040
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:05,400
fidgeting? He held eye contact.
1041
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:10,620
He smiled at appropriate times. And he
actually shook his head up and down when
1042
01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:14,260
he was saying something in the
affirmative, and he shook his head side
1043
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,800
When he was saying, like, you know, I
couldn't say anything.
1044
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:21,760
So those are signals of truth. Those are
signals of congruency. So that tells
1045
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,900
you he believed in what he was saying?
1046
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,560
Right. He believed what he was saying,
but at the same time, he's not really
1047
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,140
saying anything specific. At the end, he
says, I don't even know what I saw,
1048
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,180
which makes it easy for him to be
congruent.
1049
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,520
Of course.
1050
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,300
So Jesse has become a bit of a lightning
rod for the whole controversy around
1051
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:44,300
the Roswell incident.
1052
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:49,010
His family says he was an honest man, a
man of duty, and he's telling the truth.
1053
01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:54,610
The government says they don't know why
he's making these claims. He's not
1054
01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:55,610
telling the truth.
1055
01:10:59,810 --> 01:11:05,370
In its 1995 report, the Air Force cited
a sworn affidavit from Sheridan Cabot.
1056
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:11,270
Cabot was the special agent for
counterintelligence who accompanied
1057
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:12,350
investigate the debris.
1058
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,300
As a CIC agent, he was in a different
chain of command. But they were friends
1059
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:20,320
because nobody likes you if you're a
counterintelligence officer, nobody
1060
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,540
you if you're an intelligence officer.
1061
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,640
As the other official on site, Cabot
could have backed Marcel's story about
1062
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,560
strange wreckage that littered a field
with nearly a mile of debris, but he
1063
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:34,560
didn't.
1064
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,180
Cabot, who was there with him, said that
there's not much material there at all,
1065
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:41,480
which they recovered most of.
1066
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,370
He said it was obvious to him at the
time that the stuff they were picking up
1067
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:51,630
was just crap, you know, for lack of a
better term. The fact was the material
1068
01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:57,250
that's depicted in the photos was
identified by Cabot, still alive in
1069
01:11:57,250 --> 01:12:03,370
the material he and Marcel physically
picked up in the desert on the farm in
1070
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:04,730
July of 1947.
1071
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:10,930
In his affidavit, Sheridan Cabot wrote,
1072
01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:15,290
The amount of debris was very small,
about 20 square feet.
1073
01:12:15,610 --> 01:12:20,790
I remember recognizing the material as
consistent with a weather balloon, which
1074
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:22,770
would easily fit into one vehicle.
1075
01:12:24,230 --> 01:12:29,230
One thing I was certain of, it was not a
weather balloon, nor an aircraft, nor a
1076
01:12:29,230 --> 01:12:33,130
missile. It was something else of which
we didn't know what it was.
1077
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:37,170
There were just fragments strewn all
over the area, an area about three
1078
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:39,150
-quarters of a mile long and several
hundred feet wide.
1079
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:42,600
So we proceeded to pick up the parts.
1080
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:47,160
So which intelligence officer was
telling the truth?
1081
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,740
Sheridan Cavett or Jesse Marcel?
1082
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,900
We're looking for things like fidgeting
or diverting attention.
1083
01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:01,180
I didn't see that with this. And once
again, when he did make a fumble, a
1084
01:13:01,180 --> 01:13:05,200
fumble, he would autocorrect. He did it
consistently and comfortably.
1085
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,499
Uh -huh.
1086
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,720
This next clip.
1087
01:13:08,170 --> 01:13:11,890
He's going to describe the materials
that he discovered. And this is a key
1088
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:17,150
of the investigation. Can we trust his
eyewitness account about the actual
1089
01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:18,290
debris that he found? Okay.
1090
01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:27,310
But the thing about that got me is that
you couldn't even bend it. You couldn't
1091
01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:28,310
even bend it.
1092
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:30,470
Even with a sledgehammer, it would
bounce off of it.
1093
01:13:31,150 --> 01:13:34,430
So I knew that I had never seen anything
like that before.
1094
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:37,430
And as of now, I don't know what it was.
1095
01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:41,690
It was not anything from this earth that
I'm quite sure of.
1096
01:13:42,170 --> 01:13:45,530
Because I was vegan until I was almost,
I was familiar with just about all the
1097
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:49,170
materials used in aircraft and in our
air travel.
1098
01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:51,150
This is nothing like that.
1099
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:52,390
It could not have been.
1100
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:56,690
Do you see any signs of deception?
1101
01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:00,870
I don't see any signs of deception in
him, in his own self -belief.
1102
01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:06,310
So he's not being willingly deceptive to
trick us all into believing something
1103
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:07,310
that isn't true.
1104
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,100
He truly believes what he's saying. I
got the impression that he truly
1105
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,100
what he's saying.
1106
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:25,160
After analyzing Marcel's body language
with expert Tanya Ryman, who sees no
1107
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,820
indication of deceit... He truly
believes what he's saying.
1108
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,900
Ben Smith heads to York College in
Pennsylvania to see if cryptologist
1109
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,820
Bauer has made progress deciphering the
journal.
1110
01:14:37,870 --> 01:14:42,410
With Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson,
who is just as eager to know what the
1111
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:43,510
writing in the journal means.
1112
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:48,970
Do you think that there would have been
any reason why another intelligence
1113
01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:53,350
officer on base would have wanted to
give him information that would have
1114
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:55,630
somewhat coded in some way?
1115
01:14:55,910 --> 01:15:02,450
I think if your grandfather is making
claims that someone else believes or
1116
01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:06,010
someone else had the same experience.
1117
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:12,260
but for whatever reason they feel afraid
of openly speaking out, they might
1118
01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:16,360
capture that in a code and give it to
your grandfather.
1119
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:20,460
I would like to believe that what we
find in there is going to be something
1120
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:26,440
significant enough that it makes it
irrefutable, that what my father and
1121
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,680
grandfather believed in was something
that was truly not made by human hands.
1122
01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:33,800
Craig Bauer has devised a customized
program.
1123
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,940
to try and crack whatever code might be
hiding in the journal.
1124
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:42,500
Knock, knock.
1125
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,520
Hey, Ben, good to see you again. Yeah,
you too. How are you? Good. You must be
1126
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,520
Jesse. Jesse Marcel.
1127
01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:52,440
Craig, nice to meet you. Jack is one of
our best math and computer science
1128
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:53,460
majors. Oh, great.
1129
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:54,499
Good to see you again.
1130
01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:57,840
So, we've been studying your
grandfather's journal.
1131
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,620
The first really interesting thing we
noticed was...
1132
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,860
You know, sort of weird ways of writing
letters.
1133
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,240
Like, he has a capital L in the middle
of a word.
1134
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,460
Okay. And it's not like the whole thing
is in uppercase. It's just randomly a
1135
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:18,640
capital L. You can see on the line
above, he's using lowercase L's in
1136
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,640
girl.
1137
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,740
We started to see these different forms.
1138
01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:25,520
So I asked Jack to prepare this table,
and I was thrilled with this result.
1139
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,720
We have two forms of every letter that
appears more than once.
1140
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,620
You can see a K where it's...
1141
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,380
Two separate pieces and together.
1142
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,160
Up at the top right, you can see an O
and an O that's filled in like a solid
1143
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,280
circle. A P with a loop, a P without a
loop.
1144
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:48,400
So this really intrigued us. To a
cryptographer, this indicates a certain
1145
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,259
of cipher.
1146
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:50,260
It does.
1147
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,220
Yeah. If you have two different versions
of a letter, you know, we could call
1148
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:55,980
them, say, zero and one. Sure.
1149
01:16:56,220 --> 01:17:00,180
So you have an apparent message, but
really it's spelling something out in
1150
01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:04,240
binary. Binary, is that? Okay, just that
simple. Yeah, yeah. There's a system
1151
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,740
that uses that kind of approach.
1152
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,440
Okay. This made us very hopeful.
1153
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:11,500
You got my heart going, I'll say that
much.
1154
01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:13,900
But there is some bad news.
1155
01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:20,480
If somebody's implementing a bilateral
cipher, that person has to be very
1156
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,800
careful to stick to one or the other
form and make it clear which it is. That
1157
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:26,419
makes sense.
1158
01:17:26,420 --> 01:17:27,420
Go ahead and show them.
1159
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:29,300
Oh, okay.
1160
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,880
This is the real result.
1161
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:36,920
We found in many instances three forms
of a letter, and this is a big problem.
1162
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:38,800
This would throw everything off.
1163
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:44,260
Yeah, so this is kind of frustrating,
and the result was that we had to run
1164
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:48,500
program again and again and again with
different assumptions, with different
1165
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,820
assignments for some of these third
characters, these third forms.
1166
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,600
Our government has poured so much money
into the development of computers
1167
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,000
because they needed them for code
breaking. This is why computers were
1168
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,040
developed. You could go through a lot of
combinations by hand, 67 million, no,
1169
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,360
okay?
1170
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:09,980
But we have computers because of this
need to break ciphers, and this is how
1171
01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:13,320
we're going to apply them in this
journal. We had to write a computer
1172
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,640
that just tests all the possibilities.
1173
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:19,320
We tested our program on little pieces,
little sections of the journal. Why
1174
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,520
don't we show them a typical result?
1175
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,680
Maybe just the very first passage that
was printed about Jonah.
1176
01:18:28,190 --> 01:18:29,550
Here's the original quote.
1177
01:18:29,810 --> 01:18:33,490
When down in the mouth remember Jonah,
he came out all right. Okay, sure.
1178
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:36,890
The program just takes a few minutes.
1179
01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:40,530
We get things like this. A web.
1180
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,890
Okay. And then the asterisk means we got
a string of A's and B's that does not
1181
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:45,990
correspond to a letter.
1182
01:18:46,990 --> 01:18:49,610
That's a bad sign to get one that
doesn't even map to a letter.
1183
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:53,810
Okay. Every so often you can pick out a
word here or there.
1184
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:56,810
I think you got MacArthur at one point.
1185
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,840
So we were kind of checking the timing.
What have you been writing about
1186
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,060
MacArthur? But on run after run, we're
just periodically getting words, but
1187
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:08,800
never a complete sentence, never
anything that looked like it couldn't
1188
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,460
arisen by chance. Okay, sure.
1189
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,560
Nothing meaningful. Right, right.
1190
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,520
I mean, I guess there's a ray of hope.
1191
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,800
We can't conclude that there's not
something hidden there. Okay. We can
1192
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,480
that there's not something hidden there
with a straightforward bilateral cipher.
1193
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,090
Okay. But there are many ways to hide a
message.
1194
01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:32,970
We still don't have a good explanation
for why you would have an uppercase L in
1195
01:19:32,970 --> 01:19:36,110
the middle of a word or these strange
different forms. Yeah.
1196
01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:38,690
So there could well be something there.
1197
01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:45,250
You know, the 509th bomb group where
Jesse worked was a pretty unique place.
1198
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:49,710
They had a lot of need to communicate
sensitive information to each other.
1199
01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:54,190
Is it possible that a group like the
509th...
1200
01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:58,420
could communicate in a cipher that only
they knew about.
1201
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,720
Oh yeah, I think they could do that
pretty easily.
1202
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,300
There are a lot of homebrew systems.
1203
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,900
You know, to make up a little cipher
system, you're just going to exchange a
1204
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:08,900
messages.
1205
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,200
It's not that hard to make it really
hard to break.
1206
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,520
Uh -huh.
1207
01:20:14,020 --> 01:20:15,780
I have a lot of faith that there's
something here.
1208
01:20:17,500 --> 01:20:20,880
My grandfather would have wanted to
leave some kind of message behind.
1209
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:22,420
Something.
1210
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,060
I always said that you can always
believe the other people that were
1211
01:20:25,740 --> 01:20:30,340
So maybe this is one of the other people
that was involved and some way of
1212
01:20:30,340 --> 01:20:31,340
getting a message.
1213
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,940
We need to go find out who wrote this.
1214
01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:34,180
Yeah.
1215
01:20:36,940 --> 01:20:39,440
Next on Roswell, the first witness.
1216
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:45,640
He told me, don't believe everything the
government tells you. What did Jesse
1217
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,700
Marcel say in private that he never said
in public?
1218
01:20:48,940 --> 01:20:50,200
He said there are things.
1219
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:52,500
That this world is not ready for.
1220
01:20:52,940 --> 01:20:55,260
He confessed to her there was more.
1221
01:20:55,620 --> 01:20:57,460
So much more he could have said.
1222
01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:02,220
Did
1223
01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:09,400
Marcel
1224
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,700
hide a piece of what he found at home?
1225
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:13,540
Jesse said he had proof.
1226
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,940
That could be some debris left around.
1227
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,300
Is the proof still buried in the ground?
1228
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:20,950
Right there.
1229
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:26,550
It's something that doesn't make sense
to me. Have you ever seen that in a
1230
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:29,390
wreck? No. There's something under the
ground there.
1231
01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:34,030
She says her father staged a cover -up.
And he also destroyed files.
1232
01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:35,590
Or changed them.
1233
01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:38,410
Even though he knew Jesse Marcel was
right.
1234
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:43,210
He said that the world wasn't ready to
know the truth about what happened at
1235
01:21:43,210 --> 01:21:44,210
Roswell.
1236
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:49,050
He didn't write the journal, but did he
share its secrets with this man?
1237
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:50,529
Who could have?
1238
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:56,330
I'm Lawrence Fishburne. Thanks for
watching History's Greatest Mysteries.
1239
01:21:56,330 --> 01:22:00,350
time, our conclusion to Roswell, the
first witness.
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