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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:06,300 Tonight on History's Greatest Mysteries. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,720 The Roswell investigation goes into uncharted territory. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,200 Previously, a cryptic journal may hold vital clues to what crashed near Roswell 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,200 in 1947. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,240 It belonged to an Army intelligence officer who inspected the wreckage and 6 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,400 sure it was extraterrestrial. 7 00:00:27,620 --> 00:00:31,260 It was not anything from this earth that I'm quite sure of. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,720 But the Army said it was a routine weather balloon. 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Decades later, that officer, Jesse Marcel, said he was forced to lie. 10 00:00:41,060 --> 00:00:43,360 But all I could do is keep a mouth shut. 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,140 His family hopes a former CIA investigator will find the truth, which 12 00:00:49,140 --> 00:00:51,000 hiding inside the mysterious journal. 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,740 What I'm seeing throughout the document is consistent with that time period. 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,280 It has been authenticated by a forensic document expert. 15 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:01,720 But what does the strange writing mean? 16 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:04,540 I'm Lawrence Fishburne. 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,880 As our mystery continues, a famed cryptologist examines the journal for 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,518 a code. 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,760 Is there a message the writer wanted the world to hear? And can new technology 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,200 read the words of a memo from a photograph taken after the Roswell 21 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:26,760 If this document says victims of the wreck, it negates the skeptical 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,000 about the Roswell case. 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,400 And tracking down the family of alleged eyewitnesses who say they already know 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,680 the truth. There were little people walking around, and there were some dead 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,598 some alive. 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,820 What really happened at Roswell, New Mexico? 27 00:01:41,370 --> 00:01:43,730 an event that has obsessed the world. 28 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:05,390 It's difficult to determine whether or not those are three numerical sevens or 29 00:02:05,390 --> 00:02:08,590 whether they are meant to form the capital letter M. 30 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:13,360 What's the date of that page? August 31st, 1947. 31 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:15,980 That's interesting. 32 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:19,180 Your grandpa would have been in Roswell at that point. Yeah, he would have been 33 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:20,180 in Roswell, yes. 34 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:25,940 Former CIA investigator Ben Smith has returned to the office of Jennifer 35 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:28,680 one of America's top handwriting experts. 36 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:34,460 Joining Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson, who believes his grandfather 37 00:02:34,460 --> 00:02:37,260 between his duty as an intelligence officer to keep secrets. 38 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:40,620 and a hunger to tell people what he really saw. 39 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,060 I think my grandfather really wanted to tell everything he knew about it. I 40 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:48,300 can't believe for a second that he was going to let the story die with him. 41 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,780 For more than a month, Nassau has been analyzing the puzzling journal that 42 00:02:53,780 --> 00:02:56,300 Marcel kept among his most valuable papers. 43 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,220 She has determined that the journal was written during the time period of the 44 00:03:01,220 --> 00:03:02,220 Roswell incident. 45 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:06,860 It's this great mystery. Why did Jesse keep this journal? 46 00:03:07,340 --> 00:03:11,560 What could it tell us about Roswell? What he said was the defining event of 47 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,560 life. 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,020 So what then have you learned about the handwriting? 49 00:03:16,420 --> 00:03:21,200 So I did a handwriting comparison with the journal and the known specimens I 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,200 for Jesse Marcel. 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,040 So here is the lowercase T formation. 52 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Okay. Where it starts going up, comes down, forms a loop, and ends to create 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,440 bowl of the pea. Okay. 54 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,820 Here is... 55 00:03:36,910 --> 00:03:42,970 The known specimen writing I had of Jesse Marcel and here's a P in Japanese. 56 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:48,670 Yeah. And it does not have that high approach coming around to loop and 57 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:49,670 finishing with the P. 58 00:03:50,370 --> 00:03:52,850 Whereas that is seen throughout this document. 59 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:58,150 So it's a constructural significant difference that I'm seeing. So this 60 00:03:58,150 --> 00:04:01,450 was not written in Major Marcel's handwriting. 61 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:06,100 Not. based on the known writing I had for comparison. 62 00:04:07,060 --> 00:04:09,380 It is astonishing news. 63 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:12,480 Jesse Marcel is not the author of the journal. 64 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:18,320 There's no proof indicating it's a hoax or a forgery or that it's anything but 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:24,100 an important document to your grandfather in Roswell at the time. At 66 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:27,060 Because it actually raises more questions than answers. 67 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,360 This is intriguing. 68 00:04:31,930 --> 00:04:35,990 The paper and ink are from the right period, but Jesse is not the author of 69 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:39,530 journal. So why did he keep it under lock and key for so many years? 70 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:43,250 Unlocking the secrets of the journal will take more investigating. 71 00:04:43,550 --> 00:04:45,070 It's not my grandfather's handwriting. 72 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:48,630 Who wrote it? And what does it mean? 73 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:51,250 Is it a code that can be deciphered? 74 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:56,490 To find out more, Ben Smith heads to the photo archive of a major university. 75 00:04:57,810 --> 00:05:01,210 He's hoping to find supporting evidence to verify Marcel's story. 76 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:05,250 that whatever crashed at Roswell was extraterrestrial. 77 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:10,510 I'm at the University of Texas, Arlington, where they keep the original 78 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:12,210 of the infamous Ramey photo. 79 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:17,950 That photo of the press conference staged by General Roger Ramey has long 80 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:19,090 intrigued investigators. 81 00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:24,190 His colleague, General Thomas DuBose, is holding up a piece of a weather 82 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:28,030 balloon, which Ramey tells reporters is what really crashed in Roswell. 83 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:29,930 But look more closely. 84 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:36,500 In his hand, Rainey is holding a memo, too blurry to read, that some believe 85 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:40,080 could confirm Jesse Marcel's story of a flying saucer. 86 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:46,620 Here to meet Kevin Randall, to learn about the history of all the analyses 87 00:05:46,620 --> 00:05:51,820 conducted on this photo, and also to figure out what more can we do to 88 00:05:51,820 --> 00:05:52,960 the message on that memo. 89 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Kevin. 90 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Ben. 91 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,660 So nice to meet you. 92 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,120 Good to meet you, too. Grab a chair. Sure. 93 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:06,040 Kevin Randall has written more than 80 books and is a former intelligence 94 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,600 officer and lieutenant colonel in the Iowa National Guard. 95 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:15,060 Among ufologists, he's considered one of the preeminent experts on the Roswell 96 00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:20,960 crash. The Rainey memo is an interesting part of the Roswell incident because 97 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,160 it's a photo of potential debris with Jesse Marcel. 98 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,520 It's important because we have a provenance for it. 99 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:34,590 We can say this picture was taken on July 8, 1947, in General Ramey's office. 100 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:38,590 We've got the time. We know who the photographer was. We know who all the 101 00:06:38,590 --> 00:06:39,590 participants were. 102 00:06:39,810 --> 00:06:42,550 On July 7, 1947, 103 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:48,630 Jesse Marcel returned to Roswell Army Airfield with what he thought was debris 104 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:54,190 from a flying saucer that crashed on a remote ranch 75 miles to the west. 105 00:06:54,530 --> 00:06:59,940 After viewing the strange material, the base commander for the 509th Colonel 106 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:03,060 William Blanchard decided to issue a press release. 107 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:07,060 The press release shows up. Newspapers all over the country, obviously. 108 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:09,140 Fort Worth Star -Telegram gets it. 109 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,880 They say, head out to the base and see what's going on. They've got a flying 110 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:14,880 saucer. 111 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:20,280 News of a flying saucer set off alarm bells at 8th Division headquarters. 112 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:26,080 So the next day, General Roger Ramey held that famous press conference to set 113 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,080 the record straight. 114 00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:31,900 General Ramey is the one who told the newsman it was nothing more than a 115 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:32,900 observation balloon. 116 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,740 Of course, which we both knew differently. 117 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:41,400 The only reporter in the room is J. Bon Johnson, and he's communicating with the 118 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,420 general, and he poses Marcel with it, but apparently doesn't ask him any 119 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:49,020 questions. Or if he does ask him questions, Ramey would answer them. 120 00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:51,960 He told me not to say anything. 121 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,720 He says, I'll have it from now on. 122 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,080 And that's exactly what he did. 123 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,360 It was definitely not a mother balloon. 124 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,580 What it could have been, I wouldn't know. 125 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Jesse Marcel's grandchildren believe he was completely blindsided by General 126 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,340 Ramey's press conference. 127 00:08:11,340 --> 00:08:16,220 I see my grandfather holding up something that he knew that wasn't what 128 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:20,180 found. He was adamant that this was not what he saw on the Drayfield. 129 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,420 The controversy over what crashed near Roswell. 130 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:27,580 has made this photo the subject of intense scrutiny. 131 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:32,520 You know what we ought to do is take a look at the thing, give you an idea of 132 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,380 exactly what we're talking about so that you can see what's been done. Yeah, 133 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,400 let's do that. 134 00:08:38,419 --> 00:08:44,179 People have been looking at this document for literally decades trying to 135 00:08:44,179 --> 00:08:45,880 determine what this memo says. 136 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:51,760 The problem with the Ramey memo is it's taken at a slight angle. 137 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:56,410 crotch to his hand, so it's got some folds in it. So we're trying to 138 00:08:56,410 --> 00:09:01,550 the negative in such a way that we don't read into it what we want to read into 139 00:09:01,550 --> 00:09:05,590 it. Right here by the thumb is the words Fort Worth, Texas. 140 00:09:05,890 --> 00:09:10,730 At Fort Worth, Texas. Very, very critical given the time of the 141 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:15,950 You move down here toward the end of the memo, toward the very end and to the 142 00:09:15,950 --> 00:09:19,430 right side, you can see it says weather balloons as well. Oh, yeah, look at 143 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:20,430 that. You really can. 144 00:09:21,950 --> 00:09:26,630 So that gives us an idea of what the document is about. It's not the laundry 145 00:09:26,630 --> 00:09:30,190 list. It's not a grocery list. It has to do with what's going on there in 146 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:35,030 Roswell. The other thing that is important is right down here, we have 147 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:39,570 Now, if we can determine what that word is, that might tell us something. If 148 00:09:39,570 --> 00:09:43,170 it's Ramey, then this is a document that was prepared by General Ramey, and that 149 00:09:43,170 --> 00:09:45,370 provides us with a little bit of information about it. 150 00:09:45,610 --> 00:09:47,890 Some people interpret it as temple. 151 00:09:49,780 --> 00:09:52,580 Oddly, Temple was a codename of J. Edgar Hoover. 152 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,320 No case ever ends for the Federal Bureau of Investigation until it is solved and 153 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,420 closed with the conviction of the guilty or the acquittal of the innocent. 154 00:10:01,660 --> 00:10:06,200 It would not be surprising if the memo referred to J. Edgar Hoover, the 155 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,120 legendary 37 -year director of the FBI. No clue, no matter how seemingly 156 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,600 unimportant, can be overlooked. 157 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,560 He'd been pushing for the FBI to have access to the Army's investigation of 158 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,400 Roswell. but had been turned down. 159 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:27,360 In a note dated July 15, 1947, just days after the crash, Hoover contemplated 160 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,540 the idea of creating a special FBI unit to investigate UFOs. 161 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:38,460 I would consider it, Hoover wrote, adding that we must insist on full 162 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:39,460 the disk recovered. 163 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,100 But the important part of this is this sentence right here. 164 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:50,340 Could be victims of the wreck. 165 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,180 Victims take us in one direction, suggest something. 166 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:57,100 Could be viewing of the wreck. Totally different. 167 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:01,420 If there's victims, that implies a flight crew. 168 00:11:02,340 --> 00:11:09,240 And a flight crew implies an alien spacecraft because there's no flight 169 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,420 crew in a weather balloon. 170 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,980 The previous press release put out the day before didn't mention anything 171 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:15,980 about... 172 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:21,230 If this document says victims of the wreck, it negates an awful lot of the 173 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:23,990 skeptical arguments about the Roswell case. 174 00:11:25,050 --> 00:11:29,590 I think there's some new technology we can bring to get down to the micron 175 00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:33,990 and really bring out the text to decipher the meaning of the memo. 176 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:38,570 Anything like that would be great, because what we need to know is what it 177 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,300 The photo archive at the University of Texas at Arlington holds 4 .5 million 178 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:51,540 negatives, most of which are stored at 38 degrees Fahrenheit to prevent them 179 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:52,540 from deteriorating. 180 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,000 So why does the rainy photo negative need to be stored in cold conditions? 181 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,980 It's in that very vulnerable time period from the 1930s to the 1950s or so. 182 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Those acetate negatives in particular stored in regular room temperatures will 183 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,240 deteriorate. 184 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:24,870 It's identified as Brigadier General Roger Ramey left in Colonel Thomas J. 185 00:12:24,930 --> 00:12:29,710 DuBose looking over the wind forecasting device. 186 00:12:30,370 --> 00:12:32,250 Wind forecasting. Yes. 187 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:38,230 There are also pictures of weather balloons that are included in the series 188 00:12:38,230 --> 00:12:39,930 negatives. That's what they were saying. 189 00:12:41,670 --> 00:12:42,670 Fascinating. 190 00:12:44,390 --> 00:12:45,390 Wow. 191 00:12:46,130 --> 00:12:47,870 The memo is just... 192 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,080 What, a quarter of an inch long? 193 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:53,020 About that, and it's folded so you can't see the whole thing. 194 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:58,300 I'd like to actually bring in some analysts with some new technology called 195 00:12:58,300 --> 00:13:02,760 gigamacro photography using a microscope to actually look at the sub -levels of 196 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,760 the negative. 197 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:07,760 It will be the most powerful microscope ever used to read the words in the memo. 198 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:13,100 And if Ben Smith can bring into focus the word victims, it could expose one of 199 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:14,720 the greatest cover -ups in history. 200 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:26,360 Ben Smith has gotten exclusive permission from the University of Texas 201 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,760 Archive to analyze the negative of a 70 -year -old image. 202 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,080 It was snapped at the Army press conference, where Jesse Marcel said he 203 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,420 forced to go along with a cover story, that a weather balloon, not a flying 204 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:41,640 saucer, crashed near Roswell. 205 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:46,500 General Ramey is the one who told the newsman it was nothing more than a 206 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:47,500 observation balloon. 207 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,340 Of course, which we both knew differently. 208 00:13:51,070 --> 00:13:51,909 How's it going? 209 00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:56,850 Good. Smith has traveled here with Gene Cooper, an expert operator of the 210 00:13:56,850 --> 00:14:01,870 Gigamacro, a powerful microscope that will be used to try to read the blurry 211 00:14:01,870 --> 00:14:04,370 memo in General Roger Ramey's hand. 212 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:11,970 This Ramey photo is a piece of history that you won't find anywhere else. I'm 213 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:15,910 excited I get to see it with my own eyes. I don't get to touch it, but I do 214 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:19,510 to use the latest technology to peer into it at the molecular level. 215 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:23,670 to see if we can decipher whatever message is in that memo. 216 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:29,270 My goal is to read the memo in General Ramey's hands. 217 00:14:29,490 --> 00:14:32,810 It's the spark of a lot of controversy, but if we can figure out what it says, 218 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:36,550 we can perhaps solve the Roswell mystery. 219 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:40,110 So what we're going to do is we're going to get down into the grains of the 220 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:43,930 emulsion. We're going to go up to 80 ,000 dpi with the camera system that we 221 00:14:43,930 --> 00:14:44,930 have here. 222 00:14:45,490 --> 00:14:49,770 It's going to take a series of focal stacks, which is... 223 00:14:50,010 --> 00:14:52,490 bringing all those depth of field into view. 224 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:55,870 We're going to merge all those together. We're going to then do it over the 225 00:14:55,870 --> 00:14:59,850 entire area of that memo and then see what we find. 226 00:15:00,470 --> 00:15:02,950 And nobody's done it to this photo yet? No. 227 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:08,610 No. I believe that the last scan done in 2015 was around 1 ,000 dpi. 228 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:14,410 And what we'll be doing today is in the neighborhood of 60 ,000 to 80 ,000 dpi. 229 00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:15,550 Wow. 230 00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:19,270 Wow, so we really might be able to read this thing. That's what we're hopeful 231 00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:21,670 of, and I'm excited to get in there and see what we can find. 232 00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:23,410 Oh, yeah, this could be great. 233 00:15:24,010 --> 00:15:29,250 To try and read the memo, Gene Cooper will focus in on hundreds of micro 234 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:34,070 and then begin the painstaking job of stitching them together into a mosaic. 235 00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:43,190 While Cooper works, Ben Smith travels back to Roswell. 236 00:15:43,630 --> 00:15:45,730 to follow up on an intriguing lead. 237 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:52,150 Is there any other information to help me in my investigation to get to that 238 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:53,150 ground level truth? 239 00:15:53,310 --> 00:15:56,690 Local residents have been reluctant to give Smith the names of acquaintances 240 00:15:56,690 --> 00:16:01,290 that claim to know more details of the Roswell story than Jesse Marcel ever 241 00:16:01,290 --> 00:16:02,390 divulged publicly. 242 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:06,270 Why the hesitancy to share with me his name? 243 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:07,429 It's privacy. 244 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:10,530 We're still protecting the people who have been most affected. 245 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:17,270 When the government says you don't talk about something, you didn't talk about 246 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:18,270 him. 247 00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:25,910 Smith has located Barbara Dugar, granddaughter of Sheriff George Wilcox, 248 00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:29,170 who first alerted the military that some strange wreckage had been found in the 249 00:16:29,170 --> 00:16:35,230 field. Sheriff Wilcox is the fourth person in that inner ring of witnesses 250 00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:38,490 with firsthand knowledge of what was on that debris field. 251 00:16:40,359 --> 00:16:45,080 Wilcox got to see the debris himself when rancher Mack Brazel brought some to 252 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,080 the sheriff's office. 253 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,860 Smith wants to find out what else Wilcox might have told his family. 254 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,840 If you could, I'd like to hear about your connection to Sheriff George 255 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,020 I am Inez Wilcox and George Wilcox's granddaughter. 256 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,720 My grandfather, George Wilcox, was a very kind and loving man. 257 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,000 He tried to help the people that... 258 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,740 Didn't have anything because, you know, Roswell at that time wasn't a real 259 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,119 prosperous city. 260 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,839 And when did you first hear about his connection to the events of July 1947? 261 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:27,440 In 1969, I was at my grandmother's house, Inez Wilcox, and it was the 262 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,660 same day that they had landed on the moon. And that's when my grandmother 263 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:34,540 me about the Roswell incident. 264 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 And what did she say? 265 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:40,990 My grandmother got up from her seat, and she closed the door. 266 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:44,750 She locked it. She put the blinds down. 267 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:49,910 And I looked at her, and that was not her behavior. 268 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:55,190 She was very positive, very beautiful and wonderful. And she said, I have 269 00:17:55,190 --> 00:18:00,350 something that I must tell you, and you must promise me that you will never, 270 00:18:00,510 --> 00:18:03,830 ever, ever tell this story to anyone. 271 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,040 If you do, we will all be killed. 272 00:18:07,580 --> 00:18:11,580 And she started telling the story to my sister Phyllis and I. 273 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,240 According to Barbara Dugar, when her grandfather got to the crash site, it 274 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,160 already surrounded by the military, and they weren't happy to see him. 275 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:28,320 My grandfather went out to see what had happened. When he got there, he saw the 276 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,060 spaceship. The flying saucer had crashed outside of Roswell. 277 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,520 There were aliens. 278 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,680 And then she talked about the aliens and how they were dressed. 279 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:42,120 How were they dressed? 280 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Well, they had on a silk suit and they had the big eyes. 281 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:50,840 She said there were little people walking around and there were some dead 282 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,840 some alive. 283 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:56,260 I mean, I just sat there and leaned back in my chair and thought. 284 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,140 Barbara Dugar believed even more than the spaceship debris. 285 00:19:02,590 --> 00:19:06,990 It was the arrival of aliens on Earth that the military wanted to keep secret. 286 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:13,150 Then the military came and told him to go back to the office because there 287 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:15,490 be a lot of interviewing. 288 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:22,450 They surrounded the courthouse. They came in. They roughed George Wilcox up 289 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:28,950 front of Big Mom. And she said a red -headed colonel came into the office. 290 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:34,490 and told granddaddy, got him and told him in no uncertain terms. 291 00:19:34,690 --> 00:19:39,310 If they told the story of the Roswell incident, that their family would be 292 00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:44,850 killed and all their grandchildren, I mean, they threatened them. And I said 293 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:51,330 her, I said, you really believe, Big Mom, that the military is going to come 294 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:54,570 kill all of us? And she said, yes, and they will. 295 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:57,390 It sounds like it really affected your grandmother. 296 00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,160 Yes. She knew that they meant business. 297 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:07,540 My grandmother Inez Wilcox and George Wilcox had been harassed. They 298 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:08,700 had been threatened. 299 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,260 And their lives had been changed. 300 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,440 My grandfather went crazy. 301 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:18,680 And my grandmother had to go through a lot of hell because of that. 302 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:22,120 How do you connect your... 303 00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:26,450 grandfather's mental illness to the events of Roswell. What leads you to 304 00:20:26,450 --> 00:20:29,890 conclusion? My grandfather was perfectly normal. 305 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:34,030 He wouldn't have been sheriff of Roswell. Right. He was well respected 306 00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:34,589 I've read. 307 00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:39,130 And after that, he was not normal ever again. 308 00:20:39,410 --> 00:20:40,410 Ever again. 309 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:44,830 And if somebody from the government doesn't like it, well, that's just too 310 00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:45,830 bad. 311 00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:51,070 It is real. The Roswell incident is real. 312 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:57,530 It's a powerful story, and I will weigh it with the rest of my investigation, 313 00:20:57,810 --> 00:20:59,470 and hopefully we can get to truth. 314 00:20:59,770 --> 00:21:06,450 People in America and the world need to know that the Roswell incident is real. 315 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:11,430 And the government can't say it's not true, it's an air balloon, it's a 316 00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:13,930 balloon. It isn't. It was real. 317 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:28,030 our way to what we second debrief site what we call the impact site the impact 318 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:33,070 site yes after meeting with the granddaughter of a key eyewitness when 319 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:39,410 there he saw the spaceship ben smith wants to find physical evidence from the 320 00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:44,890 crash in roswell so he's linking up with ufo researcher and author don schmidt 321 00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:48,830 who claims to have interviewed 600 eyewitnesses connected to the event 322 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,860 So who are our primary witnesses that identify this site? 323 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,900 Initially, it was the family of Sheriff Wilcox when they were describing his 324 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:03,900 coming out north of town. 325 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:10,080 It was Schmidt who first took Ben Smith to the debris field west of Roswell, 326 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,240 the site where Major Jesse Marcel collected pieces of what he saw. 327 00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:23,190 This is where it all began back in 1947. 328 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:28,930 But today they are on their way to a different location, referred to as the 329 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,550 impact site, which is north of Roswell. 330 00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:37,730 Forty miles, forty miles north of Roswell. That was the drumbeat we were 331 00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:38,689 for years. 332 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:42,550 Schmidt believes that a spacecraft initially hit the ground at the debris 333 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:43,870 where pieces broke off. 334 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:50,190 But then it skipped 25 miles to this impact site, where it finally came to 335 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:55,360 They had the much more spectacular, the much more sensitive impact site just 336 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,360 north of town. 337 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:02,780 And this is where it was much more than just debris and strange wreckage. There 338 00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:03,780 were also remains. 339 00:23:03,940 --> 00:23:05,280 There were also bodies. 340 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,620 The third member of the team is Frank Kimbler. 341 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,480 a veteran geologist based at the New Mexico Military Institute. 342 00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:18,380 I've been wanting to go out to this final impact site for a couple of years. 343 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,880 Kimbler has combed every inch of the debris field, searching for pieces of 344 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,200 wreckage. But this is his first visit to the alleged impact site. 345 00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:30,320 I like science fiction, but I also like science fact. 346 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,960 I actually lived here for six months in Roswell before I even visited the UFO 347 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,500 museum. Then I went down to the museum and I said, you know what there's no 348 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:42,200 there's no physical evidence and and that was the whole chest behind this if 349 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,700 kimbler can find traces that a spaceship crashed here it would mean jesse marcel 350 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:53,000 was right about the source of the wreckage at the debris field i'm excited 351 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,920 this site because it feels fresh it's on private property it's not known to the 352 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,820 public it's not marked on any tourist map it's been protected all this time 353 00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:08,530 The debris field was always conceited. That was the one thing that even the 354 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:09,890 press release was based on. 355 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:16,650 Mack Brazel, the strangeness of the debris, the unusual characteristics, the 356 00:24:16,650 --> 00:24:18,590 qualities of that wreckage. 357 00:24:19,550 --> 00:24:21,110 They've got the debris field. 358 00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:26,050 It's scattered debris. It's clearly, to them, something that's not terrestrially 359 00:24:26,050 --> 00:24:30,350 oriented. They don't know where it's from, but they're looking for something 360 00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:32,830 else. And it was on one of those flights. 361 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:35,960 that they found the rest of the wreckage. 362 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:44,520 At the very time that the rancher, Matt Brazel, has led Major 363 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,660 Jesse Marcel as well as Captain Sheridan Cavett back to the debris field. 364 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:56,840 So while they are investigating that location, the debris field, the military 365 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,820 alerted to an additional site just 40 miles north of town. 366 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:09,580 which we would learn was the impact site. The remains of the craft and the 367 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:10,580 bodies recovered. 368 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,020 Don, you know that story about the McKnights going over to the Ball family 369 00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:23,300 before the military came out? Yes. And basically said, hey, do you want to come 370 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:24,540 over and see the little people? 371 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,300 Right. That was the talk back then, the little people. Little people. The little 372 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:30,300 people, the little men. 373 00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:36,340 According to the alleged eyewitnesses, several members of the alien crew were 374 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:37,720 badly injured or dead. 375 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Would this have been before they made the press release or after? 376 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:47,600 Before. Because given the crash happened, this was the late evening of 377 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,140 So there's a full four to five days before the military 378 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:59,560 actually is able to seal off the areas, come in. 379 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,540 and conduct a recovery operation. 380 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,020 The story of a man named Frank Kaufman has never been verified. 381 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,000 He claims he was a civilian attached to a military unit assigned to recover 382 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,180 alien bodies and the spaceship at the impact site. 383 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,480 Kaufman gave this interview in 1995. 384 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:27,600 There is a lot of erratic movement on the radar screen. 385 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:37,260 Then all of a sudden there was kind of a flash, and it just disappeared, or 386 00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:38,800 something just went down. 387 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:44,920 After spotting an unidentified aircraft, they headed to the location where it 388 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,160 had disappeared from radar. 389 00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:54,080 We got to where it was, and we learned right then and there it wasn't a plane, 390 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,620 it wasn't a missile. It was kind of a strange -looking... 391 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:05,420 craft and it was open and kind of halfway witnesses not only observing 392 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:12,420 the egg -shaped craft about the size of a volkswagen beetle seeing a number of 393 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:19,400 bodies one body was thrown up against the wall the other one was was 394 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,300 half in and half out of the craft 395 00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:27,790 And when we got in close, we noticed that there were three others inside the 396 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:28,790 craft. 397 00:27:29,170 --> 00:27:33,610 According to Kaufman's story, the convoy loaded up the ship and the alien bodies 398 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:38,330 into trucks and headed back to the same base where Jesse Marcel had brought his 399 00:27:38,330 --> 00:27:39,330 debris. 400 00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:51,590 If there was the remains of a craft and bodies, 401 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:54,330 Where would that be located? 402 00:27:55,470 --> 00:28:00,510 If a flying saucer with alien bodies was recovered at Roswell, Ben Smith hopes 403 00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:04,350 that there still could be evidence at the site where the object might have 404 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,350 to rest. 405 00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:08,470 The search for the Holy Grail, as we would call it, continues. 406 00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:12,950 Yeah. The debris field is where Jesse Marcel found pieces of wreckage, but 407 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:16,570 according to Don Schmidt, it is not where the object finally came to rest. 408 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:21,920 He believes it hit the debris field and skipped like a rock to land at what he 409 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,640 calls the final impact site. 410 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,480 The only wooden windmill on this ranch, 40 miles north of Roswell. 411 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,980 Schmidt says eyewitnesses remembered certain landmarks here, including a 412 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:35,720 windmill and a water tank. 413 00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:39,640 Feast of the windmill. Feast of the original windmill. There it is. 414 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,060 Wow. I mean, this thing is a historical relic now. 415 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,480 It is a relic. I mean, you see by the condition of the wood, and that was the 416 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,180 one crucial element in the description of the witnesses, that it was a wooden 417 00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:57,480 windmill. How tall would that windmill have been, you think? 418 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:02,540 Fifteen feet. Okay. So it wasn't where you would think, you know, a towering 419 00:29:02,540 --> 00:29:07,740 structure, because as you see the prevailing wind, it didn't take much to 420 00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:08,740 those blades going. 421 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:19,020 You see the empty bed where the metal water tank existed back in 1947. 422 00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:21,380 So you see by its circumference. Yeah. 423 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:25,780 It was about eight feet high. Yep. As it was when we were first out here. As I 424 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:29,380 look around, I see the Capitan Mountains, the same mountains we could 425 00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:34,300 the debris site that Mack Braswell identified. So coming about 25 miles 426 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:39,380 that direction, parallel to the Capitans almost, coming towards Roswell. Yes. 427 00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:40,500 Okay. 428 00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:45,970 So if we have the windmill right here, so let's walk back towards the Brazel 429 00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:50,570 debris site, 100 feet, and we'll set you up to begin your survey. 430 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:51,749 That'll work. 431 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:52,890 All right. Sounds good. Yeah. 432 00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:56,950 I can't wait to take out a metal detector and see if we can find 433 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:57,950 here. It would be great. 434 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,490 For Kimbler, this is virgin ground. 435 00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:02,390 He has never explored it before. 436 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,910 It's a fresh chance to uncover evidence. 437 00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:14,230 Well, I don't know, a piece of old wire. 438 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:18,230 See, that's the thing about this. I think we're too close to the windmill, 439 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:24,190 we're going to end up with a lot of trash in the general vicinity. 440 00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:29,210 If you've got the evidence, if you have a piece of a UFO in your hand and you 441 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:32,810 can prove that it is of extraterrestrial origin, it's history -making. That is a 442 00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:34,750 quest like looking for the Holy Grail. 443 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:36,130 Oh, look at this. 444 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,500 That was right on the surface. I wonder if that's a bullet casing, and that's a 445 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:43,380 high -powered one, too. 446 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,940 Today, Kimbler is looking for metallic debris. 447 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,280 Alleged eyewitnesses say that when the military first came to this site, they 448 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,000 tried to clean up any evidence of what crashed. 449 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,079 Find something? 450 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,000 Yeah, we need to dig this one up. 451 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:05,540 So it's right there. 452 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,720 Right there. X marks the spot. 453 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240 Oh, 454 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640 here we go. 455 00:31:15,860 --> 00:31:16,860 Did you find it? 456 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:22,500 It's a little sharp. 457 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,980 It looks corroded. I don't know what that is. 458 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,199 It's heavy. 459 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,500 It is a little green, so maybe a little copper in there. Copper. It's been 460 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,500 buried for a little while. 461 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,100 Let's just bag it up. 462 00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:39,050 So, mark the waypoint. Now we've got the exact location. We can plot this on 463 00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:40,009 Google Earth. 464 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:42,910 We'll know exactly where we are and where the piece was found. 465 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:50,690 Had this site not existed, if witnesses had not described this location with 466 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:55,490 bodies and a spaceship, then we might not have the Roswell conspiracy that 467 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:56,490 exists today. 468 00:31:57,050 --> 00:32:00,830 I don't know what to make of it just yet. There are supporting details that 469 00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:03,730 suggest... Something bigger happened here. 470 00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:08,630 Ben Smith will have this piece of metal tested to see if it could be a bullet 471 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:15,030 casing from the 1940s or possibly a kind of material mankind hadn't yet 472 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:16,030 manufactured. 473 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:22,290 Meanwhile, progress has been made on another important test. 474 00:32:23,410 --> 00:32:28,030 At the University of Texas, Gene Cooper has been taking history's closest look. 475 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,980 at the negative from the famous photo using a giga -macro microscope to focus 476 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:36,560 the memo held by General Roger Ramey. 477 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,440 Gentlemen. 478 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,340 Hey. Hello. 479 00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:45,620 How's it going? 480 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,900 Good. How's the analysis going? We've been busy here. 481 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:54,380 Gene Cooper's goal is to create the most high -resolution image possible. 482 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,900 The giga -macro's lens is so powerful. 483 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,780 it can capture the grains of a negative at 80 ,000 dots per square inch. 484 00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:07,920 We shot probably around 3 ,000, 4 ,000 images total. 485 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:13,860 Wow. It's a combination of focal stacking and then image mosaic 486 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:14,860 it all together. 487 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,240 Nobody's ever tried this before. 488 00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:22,080 We will have created the clearest resolution in the history of this iconic 489 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,980 photo. The question is, will we be able to read it? 490 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,360 And will we find the smoking gun that proves the eyewitness is right? 491 00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:35,780 So in this case, we're looking at the very top of the acetate base of the 492 00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:39,440 negative. And on there, you'll see different scratches and different 493 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:44,280 So this one that's right next to a key point, a letter there. That little dot 494 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,700 here. That little dot there. You can see it there. You'd normally see it on a 495 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:48,519 regular scan. 496 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,440 But when I actually focus down into the negative, it disappears. 497 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:53,659 Oh, perfect. 498 00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:58,560 and not by any cloning or copying material from one location to the other 499 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,860 anything like that digitally, purely optically. We can start enhancing it to 500 00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:08,340 bring out and take a closer look at each of the individual letters and phrases. 501 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:12,800 The memo is one of the most controversial parts of the Roswell 502 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,340 A lot of ufologists believe that it contains a reference to victims. So the 503 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:20,179 question is, can the gigamacro identify that word? 504 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,800 I mean, right away... 505 00:34:23,469 --> 00:34:26,409 I noticed our word victims looks like it starts with a P. 506 00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:28,710 Do you see that too? 507 00:34:28,929 --> 00:34:32,690 Yeah, when he first brought it up, I thought the word became pending. 508 00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:38,909 This extraordinary high -resolution version produced by the Gigamacro shows 509 00:34:38,909 --> 00:34:42,150 photo in greater detail than anyone has ever seen before. 510 00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:47,030 What about, yeah, the signature. Can we see the signature line? 511 00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:48,710 The signature line. 512 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:51,909 R -A. 513 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:56,020 M -E -Y? 514 00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,200 Y is way separated from the word. 515 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,720 Could that be like a slight rise in the paper or something, like an optical 516 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:05,720 illusion? I don't know. 517 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,220 It could, in fact, be an optical illusion based on the way the camera was 518 00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:16,340 and the lens of the camera and the lighting can feel things from us. 519 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Right. 520 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680 So do we have any... 521 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:25,260 samples of actual teletype or fonts from the age? 522 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,620 Yeah, we did look up. There was a font case that did match, and it actually 523 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,620 looks something like this. 524 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,300 Actually, that's really fascinating because I, for some reason in my mind, 525 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,520 expected the letters to be of varying widths and sizes a bit like they are in 526 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520 modern fonts. 527 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:44,140 So go back to that rainy photo. 528 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:48,600 Yeah, the uniform size of each letter really makes... 529 00:35:49,070 --> 00:35:51,070 More possibilities, actually. 530 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:57,030 We're getting closer now to clarity. We can start to feel, but it still feels 531 00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:59,330 fuzzy, like we're groping for the answer that we want. 532 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:03,590 Is this about as far as you can go with magnification without just losing 533 00:36:03,590 --> 00:36:08,490 everything? You are at this point seeing the grains of the emulsion layer, the 534 00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:11,430 silver halides, and there's nothing more to see beyond that. 535 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,730 I was a little disappointed there wasn't perfect clarity in that image. 536 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,700 But using those new details, I think there's enough there to continue pushing 537 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,700 forward to identify the different letters in that memo. 538 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:29,440 They have come closer than anyone ever has to reading the words in the infamous 539 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,440 Ramey memo. 540 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,680 But if it does say victims in the wreck, Ben Smith will have to find another way 541 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,680 to prove it. 542 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,360 Ben Smith believed Jesse Marcel knew far more than he ever admitted in public. 543 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,020 I was familiar with all materials used in aircraft. 544 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,460 This was nothing like that. 545 00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:56,040 As an intelligence officer, Marcel knew that he was duty -bound to keep 546 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,460 classified secrets for life. 547 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,460 It's curious. Jesse said the wreckage he found was extraterrestrial. But if he 548 00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:06,560 thought it was an alien spacecraft, why didn't he mention its crew? 549 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,660 Does the journal Marcel kept close his whole life? 550 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:15,510 contained the rest of the story, including details of a cover -up. 551 00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:21,370 What Smith knows so far is that Marcel didn't write it himself, and it is a 552 00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:24,230 jumble of disconnected phrases that might be code. 553 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:28,630 When down in the mouth, remember Jonah. He came out all right. 554 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:34,350 If this journal is related to the events of Roswell, and you're writing it to 555 00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:39,110 conceal your thoughts, it's an interesting quote to start off your 556 00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:43,520 How did it go out there? 557 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:45,220 It's been interesting. 558 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,220 To discuss how to push the journal investigation forward, Ben Smith is 559 00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:55,380 with Joe Pappalardo, an aviation expert and author of Spaceport Earth, the 560 00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:56,640 Reinvention of Spaceflight. 561 00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:00,280 Pappalardo is well -versed in the Roswell story. 562 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,400 I went to a former Secret Service authenticator. Uh -huh. She cut her 563 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,600 tracking threats. 564 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,300 from crazy people and nefarious people. 565 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480 She linked the letter to the person writing it to build a criminal case? 566 00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:20,160 Yeah, basically. That had to hold up in court, so she's the real deal. 567 00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:21,380 Yeah. 568 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,880 The first question we started out with was, is this an authentic document? 569 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,220 The paper itself dates to prior to 1950. 570 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:30,479 Okay. 571 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,440 So she actually looked at the ink, which suggests that it was written before 572 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,100 there were ballpoint pens. 573 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,180 So again, before 1950. 574 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:43,290 Another feature she identified was this watermark. 575 00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:50,030 This watermark belongs to a paper mill located in Juniata, Pennsylvania, 576 00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:54,290 County, which is actually next to Harrisburg, where Jesse went to 577 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:59,230 school. Now, I don't know yet whether that's just a coincidence, but it's 578 00:38:59,230 --> 00:39:03,910 exciting that at least the journal itself and the ink and the paper are all 579 00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:07,530 legitimate. No matter what else this says, this journal could say anything or 580 00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:10,570 nothing. But at this point, it has told you something important, which is the 581 00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:12,410 Marcel family is acting in good faith. 582 00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:16,850 If you had found that the paper and the ink didn't match chronologically, you'd 583 00:39:16,850 --> 00:39:20,090 have to doubt every other part of the story. So this is the foundation by 584 00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:24,550 the rest of the investigation into this piece of evidence is grounded. Yeah. 585 00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:30,390 Now, the sample size of Jesse's handwriting is actually pretty small. 586 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:34,550 felt fairly confident that the handwriting in this journal did not 587 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:35,550 Marcel's. 588 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:37,370 That's even more intriguing. 589 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,220 If it's not his, why did he keep it? 590 00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:48,000 Jesse Marcel stayed silent for more than 30 years, working as an ordinary TV 591 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,440 repairman in his hometown of Houma, Louisiana. 592 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,600 We left Roswell perhaps around 3 .30 or 4 o 'clock in the afternoon. 593 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,880 It is very difficult. In fact, with just verbal directions, we never would have 594 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,519 found it. 595 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,630 In 1980... He returned to Roswell and gave that bombshell TV interview in 596 00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:14,710 he claimed before the world that he'd been forced to lie about what he'd found 597 00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:15,970 in the debris field. 598 00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:20,150 I had never seen anything like that before. As of now, I don't know what it 599 00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:26,230 After Marcel went public, several retired officers from the 509th spoke up 600 00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:31,610 support his story of a cover -up and added the extraordinary claim that the 601 00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:35,050 had recovered a spaceship and the bodies of aliens. 602 00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:40,750 Some of that testimony was recorded by ufologists in a 1991 documentary called 603 00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:42,810 Recollections of Roswell. 604 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:49,090 I had learned, of course, that the sergeant of the guard with a series of 605 00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:50,570 went out and they surrounded the site. 606 00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:55,630 Robert Shirky was assistant operations officer for the 509th Bomber Group. 607 00:40:56,390 --> 00:41:00,830 And then they swept the area and picked up everything they could, and the bodies 608 00:41:00,830 --> 00:41:01,830 were brought in. 609 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,200 And everything was laid out in Hangar 84. 610 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,660 Hangar 84 has figured prominently in the stories of alleged eyewitnesses who say 611 00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:16,000 it's where the secrets of this extraterrestrial crash were hidden. 612 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:23,380 I received a telephone call from the mortuary officer out at the Army 613 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:24,380 Base. 614 00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:29,400 Glenn Dennis was the mortician at the Ballard Funeral Home, which provided 615 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,710 services. for the Roswell Army Base. 616 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:38,970 He was inquiring about what would be the smallest possible casket that we could 617 00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:41,410 get that would be dramatically sealed. 618 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:47,230 Dennis says he assumed there had been some kind of deadly accident involving 619 00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:48,230 children. 620 00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:51,770 So he delivered three small coffins to the air base. 621 00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:56,730 I had this friend who was a lieutenant nurse that I knew quite well. 622 00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:01,640 She said, How did you get in here? What are you doing in here? And he said, 623 00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:05,140 you're going to get in a lot of trouble if you said, would you please leave and 624 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:06,200 get out of here in a hurry. 625 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,480 By the time I turned around, there was another officer who said, hey, wait a 626 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,160 minute. And I said, looks like you had a crash. 627 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,220 Where was the crash? 628 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:22,840 And he said, you get the hell out of here and you didn't see anything and you 629 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,840 don't talk to anybody. 630 00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:28,520 Like Marcel, Walter Hout also with the 509th. 631 00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:34,440 felt intimidated to stay silent. This is censorship, pure and simple. 632 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,840 I don't like it. For many years, Walter Hout, the 509th Public Information 633 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,980 Officer, claimed he simply did as he was told and issued that famous press 634 00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:52,400 release. But later, Hout told ufologists that what Marcel said was true and only 635 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,460 a fraction of the story. 636 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,760 He had personally seen the alien bodies inside Hangar 84. 637 00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:00,960 What do you think it was that was on that ranch? 638 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,500 Some type of craft from outer space, 639 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:10,000 from where I do not know. 640 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:16,920 There were newspapers at the stand, and he said, well, I guess now that they're 641 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,940 putting in the paper, I can tell you about this. I wanted to tell you for 642 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:26,830 Before he died, a pilot named Oliver Pappy Henderson, who was stationed at 643 00:43:26,830 --> 00:43:32,570 Roswell Army Air Base in July 1947, made a shocking claim to his wife and 644 00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:33,570 daughter. 645 00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:38,330 He said, I want you to read this article because it's a true story. 646 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:45,070 And I not only know that it's true, but I'm the pilot who flew the wreckage of 647 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:48,610 the UFO to Dayton, Ohio. 648 00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:53,300 According to their testimony, Henderson told them that he was the one who flew 649 00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:58,360 the small coffins from Roswell to Wright -Patterson, even glimpsing the alien 650 00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,360 bodies inside. 651 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,280 I remember him telling me that they were small people, certainly shorter than we 652 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:12,220 were, pale, slightly planted eyes, sort of larger heads, 653 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,340 and humanoid looking, human -esque looking, but not like us. 654 00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:22,270 Could these stories be validated in the journal that belonged to Jesse Marcel? 655 00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:26,730 There is no way of knowing until it is deciphered. 656 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:32,870 One question that I'm considering was, was this handed to him for safekeeping? 657 00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:38,370 I'm hoping that I can get more handwriting samples of other people in 658 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:43,590 group to see if this might have been passed to him by somebody else within 659 00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:44,590 bomber group. 660 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,420 It's written by the same person. And for me, that raises another question. 661 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:49,880 Why the market shift? 662 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,020 There could be stress involved, but could stress also mean there could be a 663 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:58,720 distress signal? I don't know if you remember. Vietnam vets blinking into the 664 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,700 camera with Morse code to relay a message while they're talking. 665 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,320 The order of these quotes is nonsensical. It's not clear why they 666 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,320 for the writer. 667 00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:10,140 Maybe there's no meaning at all, but it was just a demonic device. 668 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,940 quote recalls a memory or a detail think motive too who would give that to him 669 00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:20,820 you can understand that if you're a tight -knit group and you're in the 670 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:24,820 of nowhere you're working an air wing with nuke it's a pressure cooker they 671 00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:29,340 that they could trust each other with secrets someone might choose him because 672 00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:35,300 he was the fall guy for the incident so if you're going to give your encoded 673 00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:38,940 journal or what have you to one figure from the whole roswell thing you would 674 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,000 likely trust him to do it. Right. 675 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,200 To further investigate Marcel's baffling journal, former CIA investigator Ben 676 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,660 Smith is meeting with one of the nation's top cryptologists, Craig Bauer, 677 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:57,860 professor of mathematics at York University. 678 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,300 Craig. Oh, hi. Must be Ben. That's right. 679 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,720 Good to meet you. You too. I brought by the document that we discussed on the 680 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,720 phone. 681 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,440 I can't remember how much I told you, but I have with me a journal that 682 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,240 to a man by the name of Major Jesse Marcel, Sr. 683 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,600 He was an Army intelligence officer and was at the center of the Roswell 684 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,640 incident in 1947, the alleged UFO crash out in the desert of New Mexico. 685 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:32,160 The family, after his death, finds this journal hidden with his military 686 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,760 records, but it's not in his handwriting. 687 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,020 Now, I've flipped through this a little bit. 688 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,540 Quotes, a lot of musings. 689 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,340 It's not addressed to anybody. There aren't any names that I can pick out. 690 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,760 It doesn't appear to be autobiographical? 691 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,580 No. Okay. From what I can tell. Yeah. 692 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:57,080 With my background in intelligence, I'm curious if this is perhaps encoded, if 693 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,840 whoever owned this journal had sensitive information they wanted to pass on 694 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,280 without actually revealing it. 695 00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:06,940 But I need your help. I can't make sense of it. 696 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,860 You know, I'll let you look through it. 697 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,060 Okay. There are a lot of ways that you could hide a message in a journal. 698 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:19,900 I'm a mathematician focused on cryptology, making and breaking codes 699 00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:24,440 ciphers. Ciphers are the coolest, sexiest form of writing that there can 700 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,700 you're reading somebody's diary, you're flipping through page after page, and 701 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,780 all of a sudden you see something in a cipher, you know that's the best part of 702 00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:33,280 the whole diary, right? This is what you want to get at. 703 00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:38,630 We don't use ciphers for our laundry list, for our grocery list, right? We 704 00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:41,670 ciphers to protect things that are extremely important or sensitive. 705 00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:45,290 So that's the stuff we most want to read when we're trying to unravel history. 706 00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:49,090 Yeah, the text is a little odd. 707 00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:51,930 We have uppercase letters in the middle of a word. 708 00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:54,690 This is, you know, obviously a unique item. 709 00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:58,670 I mean, do you have it in a digital form that, you know, we could really... I 710 00:47:58,670 --> 00:48:00,570 do, yeah. Let me see the digital copy. 711 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,120 I love when I have a cipher to myself, when I'm the first to have eyes on 712 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,320 something and get a stab at deciphering it. So it's very exciting to be able to 713 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,400 look at this journal because I'm the first person with the skills to ferret 714 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,520 what might be hidden there. 715 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:22,040 We have 122 pages of cursive writing. 716 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:29,100 And then on page 123, after Roswell, August 31st, 1947, 717 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080 it shifts to this. 718 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,800 block letter format. 719 00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:37,100 Now the military's had the debris now for six weeks. 720 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:39,160 What have they learned in that time? 721 00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:43,940 And guys like Jesse Marcel were told to be quiet about what they found. 722 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:49,140 So this shift to me looks like it could be the start of something interesting. 723 00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,240 Yeah, I see a number of things we could look at here. 724 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,360 I think this might be intended to be an M, but it kind of looks like 777. 725 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,480 The document expert pointed that out to me, that that was a typical way he wrote 726 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,180 Ms, but it's more separated here. 727 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,180 I mean, if it is an M, we have some dashes after that. Is that the number of 728 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:08,180 letters? 729 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,920 Craig Bauer agrees that the capital Ms may be the telltale sign that a code is 730 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,960 embedded in the journal. 731 00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:20,640 The writing that's intriguing in the journal, the kind of writing that seems 732 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,720 like it could... be hiding a secret message falls after whatever happened 733 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,720 Roswell happened in the summer of 1947. 734 00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:31,180 So the timing is kind of interesting. 735 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,080 I'm sure you know 666. 736 00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:37,800 Yeah, I'm familiar. The devil, right? The number of the beast. The beast, 737 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,660 But also in some systems of belief, 777 is a special number, the perfect being. 738 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,680 Some people equate that with Jesus. 739 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,660 Interesting. So maybe it's just an M, but... 740 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:50,988 That's something. 741 00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:55,770 It says here that 777 is the number of abundance, and that when angels start 742 00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:59,070 sending you this message, it means that the abundance you have been waiting for 743 00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:00,550 is just there waiting to be unlocked. 744 00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:06,190 There is something interesting right in that first line. 745 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:13,790 We have when with a lowercase n, but then the next word down ends with an 746 00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:14,790 uppercase n. 747 00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:20,430 and then in with a lowercase n. Okay. Why would you suddenly capitalize the 748 00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:21,348 letter in a word? 749 00:50:21,350 --> 00:50:25,270 That's kind of strange and could indicate something hidden here. 750 00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:29,310 So wait a minute, you're telling me that 777 means the angels are providing 751 00:50:29,310 --> 00:50:33,610 abundance, and then immediately in the next paragraph we have a total shift in 752 00:50:33,610 --> 00:50:34,650 something that could be coded. 753 00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:39,230 That is almost too crazy to believe. 754 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,400 Well, let me go ahead and look at a couple more pages, see what else we have 755 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,400 here. 756 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,460 Ben Smith is certain he's brought the journal that belonged to Jesse Marcel to 757 00:50:55,460 --> 00:50:56,460 the right place. 758 00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:59,260 Okay, here we're one page further along. 759 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,920 Top codebreaker Craig Bauer is starting to see patterns in the lettering, a 760 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,540 clear signal that a message may be hidden in code. 761 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,740 Here again you can see some different forms. 762 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,580 In the second line, in. 763 00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:15,570 It doesn't have a dot on the I. 764 00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:20,190 The next line looks like a foreign word. It does have the dot. 765 00:51:20,530 --> 00:51:23,530 I mean, you could sometimes forget the dot and I, but if we're seeing two 766 00:51:23,530 --> 00:51:26,990 versions of many letters, there could be more to it than just forgetfulness. 767 00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:29,290 There could be a method to the madness. 768 00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:33,750 It's not like we just have a small passage. It continues over several 769 00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:38,070 there's the potential for, you know, a little greater depth of information 770 00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:39,070 conveyed here. 771 00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:42,190 This is jumping out at me. 772 00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:46,620 Again, we have a phenomena where a word ends with an uppercase letter, short 773 00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:47,760 with a capital P. 774 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,680 I mean, he uses lowercase T's elsewhere. It's not like the whole thing's an 775 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,080 uppercase, you know, somebody shouting at you in an email. 776 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,380 Right. So while the words themselves are innocuous, the actual cases of the 777 00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:02,300 letters might indicate some kind of code? 778 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,340 Yes, there's several ways to do that with a cipher. 779 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,840 It just doesn't seem natural. 780 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,060 That's one of the giveaways when you're trying to hide something. 781 00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:15,230 The handwriting doesn't look natural or the characters don't look right. 782 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:20,090 It's just, you know, anything that looks like a little hinky and off from normal 783 00:52:20,090 --> 00:52:24,970 writing can indicate that the author was trying to do something else at the same 784 00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:29,310 time. And so it's a sign that this should bear closer examination. 785 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:30,810 Yeah. 786 00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:35,370 After spending less than an hour looking at the journal, Bauer sees telltale 787 00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:38,390 signs that a code might be embedded in the text. 788 00:52:39,350 --> 00:52:40,730 To his trained eye. 789 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,680 Having two forms of a single letter suggests what is called a biliteral 790 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,160 where the alternate form represents a different letter altogether in what is 791 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,760 known as the B alphabet. 792 00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:58,000 We already identified two versions of I, two versions of T, two versions of N, 793 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,260 so we want to keep rolling with that and build a little catalog of what's going 794 00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:03,320 on in these few pages. 795 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,060 Once you've separated the letters, then what? Well, we just investigate 796 00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:08,060 different schemes. 797 00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:09,340 We had... 798 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:13,460 G like this and G like this. Right. 799 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:19,380 So in some cases it was a lowercase versus an uppercase, but which of these 800 00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:20,380 and which of these is B? 801 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,078 It's unclear. 802 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,920 Right. So we'd have a lot of possibilities to check. 803 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,000 Any given letter, we'd have two possibilities, that this form is A or 804 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,799 form is B. 805 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,240 Mm -hmm. So two choices for each letter. 806 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:35,400 Well, 26 letters. 807 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,660 Oh, wow. We'd have that many possibilities to consider. 808 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,400 That grows pretty fast. 809 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,360 That's 67 ,108 ,864. 810 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,080 Over 67 million possibilities in that journal. 811 00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:57,060 Wow. Well, fortunately, we're not looking at the journal in 1947. 812 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,120 With the computing power we have now, we can test all of those and figure out 813 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,360 which one looks the most like English. Yeah. 814 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:09,500 Do you have a program already that can do that? No, this is a custom job. Oh, 815 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,520 really? But exciting. 816 00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:16,000 I expected it to be hard, but I didn't think it would take custom code to do 817 00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:18,840 But that's impressive. That means I came to the right guys. 818 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:20,060 Yeah, it should be fun. Yeah. 819 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960 We'll be in touch. Cool. Thanks, guys. 820 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,200 Have a good trip back. 821 00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:30,020 If Craig Bauer can decipher it, the journal could be the missing link, the 822 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:31,920 to unlocking what happened at Roswell. 823 00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:42,520 From the moment he broke his silence, millions of Americans have believed that 824 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,160 Jesse Marcel was telling the truth. 825 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:53,620 His story struck a chord in the 1970s when unrest over the Vietnam War, 826 00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:58,000 with scandals like Watergate, made many distrustful of big government. 827 00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:05,040 After Marcel, other members of the 509th elaborated on what happened at Roswell. 828 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,360 What do you think it was? 829 00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:12,190 Some type of craft from outer space, from where I do not know. 830 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:19,930 By 1990, a Gallup poll reported that nearly 70 million Americans believed 831 00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:22,110 spaceships had visited the Earth. 832 00:55:23,770 --> 00:55:28,910 Yet the government stayed silent about Roswell, which it officially considered 833 00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:29,910 non -event. 834 00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:34,790 Decades after the crash, and the press conference that claimed it was a weather 835 00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:37,640 balloon, people still asked questions. 836 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,340 The issue is providing to the public whatever records may still exist, if 837 00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:50,840 and there may not be any, but if any on the Roswell incident, so people can make 838 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,060 their own determination. 839 00:55:52,580 --> 00:55:56,840 That is the mission that I discussed with the General Accounting Office. 840 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:04,220 Then in 1993, Congressman Stephen Schiff of New Mexico began pressing hard for 841 00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:05,220 answers. 842 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,960 Following his request, the U .S. Air Force undertook a fresh investigation of 843 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:17,400 Roswell. It examined the records of half a dozen agencies and even interviewed 844 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,620 those still alive who claimed they'd been witnesses. 845 00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:28,540 The result was a nearly 1 ,000 -page report made public in 1995. 846 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,400 Colonel Richard Weaver supervised the investigation and was one of the 847 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,420 authors. We just didn't go to a big master file that said Roswell and open 848 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:45,140 file folder. We started to methodically look at all the things that were taking 849 00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:50,040 place in the Air Force in 1947 at Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico. 850 00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:56,920 And so we searched a multitude of records in a multitude of locations 851 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,880 of course, the base had been closed for a long time. 852 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,420 The report does not dispute that something crashed in the ranch lands 853 00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:09,070 Roswell. But in a stunning twist, it reveals that it was not a weather 854 00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:15,770 If you will read this book, and I'm sure you're going to take it home tonight 855 00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:20,470 and read it, quite frankly, you're going to find some very interesting and quite 856 00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:23,430 fascinating pieces of information about Air Force research. 857 00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:29,230 The Air Force claimed that what crashed was almost certainly a type of balloon 858 00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:30,530 called a mogul. 859 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:34,250 I don't know what they saw in 47, but I'm... 860 00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:36,590 quite sure it probably was Project Mogul. 861 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:43,570 In 1947, the United States launched 32 Mogul balloons over the course of seven 862 00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:48,350 months. They were part of a top secret project in the growing Cold War with the 863 00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:49,350 Soviet Union. 864 00:57:55,410 --> 00:58:00,950 Each Mogul balloon was essentially a listening device, equipped to detect the 865 00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:04,940 sound waves that would be produced by a Soviet atomic bomb test. 866 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,720 The U .S. was the only nuclear power in the world, and keeping track of the 867 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,860 Soviets was the highest priority. 868 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,680 The Mogul balloons were launched from the Alamogordo Air Base, just 70 miles 869 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,680 from Roswell. 870 00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:24,620 In 1947, it was the misidentification of these radar reflectors that is most 871 00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:26,860 likely the famous flying disc. 872 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,270 Whether you accept that as the Roswell, Information, I quite frankly don't know. 873 00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:36,990 But we do because it overlays so well with this period of time. 874 00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:39,830 For many, the explanation seemed plausible. 875 00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:42,830 But for others, it was deeply unsatisfying. 876 00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:48,290 But the Air Force investigation has been criticized for not having full access 877 00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:53,190 to U .S. Army records, which in 1947 still oversaw the nation's growing air 878 00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:56,530 forces. For Don Schmidt and others, it didn't wash. 879 00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:59,670 They were quickly trying to put together... 880 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,280 Their third explanation. 881 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,680 Ladies and gentlemen, we lied about Roswell in 1947. 882 00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:08,900 We lied about the balloon explanation. 883 00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:11,100 But here's our new theory. 884 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,880 And they presented Project Mogul. 885 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:18,880 What do you think people in Roswell still are not convinced, no matter what 886 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,880 say? 887 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:23,260 I'm sorry, but I just can't answer that question for them. 888 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,500 To this day, the family of Jesse Marcel is definitely not convinced. 889 00:59:30,010 --> 00:59:31,030 It was a mobile balloon. 890 00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:38,230 In 1995, the government came out with a story to explain what the crash at 891 00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:39,450 Roswell was. 892 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:43,830 Looking at that information based upon what my grandfather and my father told 893 00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:46,030 me, they just don't match up. 894 00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:59,010 So far, there has never been... 895 00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:03,860 A researcher with your experience and credibility on the site to examine the 896 01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:05,960 potential of a crash. Okay. 897 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,860 The argument over what crashed at Roswell has always been missing physical 898 01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:12,860 evidence. 899 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,560 Ben Smith is returning to the debris field where in 1947, Jesse Marcel, a 40 900 01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,200 -year -old Army intelligence officer, was certain he'd picked up pieces of 901 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,800 wreckage that were extraterrestrial. 902 01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:31,020 On this visit... Smith has brought with him one of America's leading experts on 903 01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:32,160 aviation crashes. 904 01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:38,440 So a lot of my investigative work on accidents is post -accident. 905 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,300 David Susi is a former FAA accident inspector and the author of Malaysia 906 01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:49,920 Airlines Flight 370, the commercial airliner that mysteriously disappeared 907 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,040 without a trace. 908 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,600 Smith hopes that Susie's expert eye will find something that others have missed. 909 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,260 My hope originally with the tech survey was that we could bring out all this 910 01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:08,300 equipment that didn't exist and all this software and find evidence of debris or 911 01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:13,340 an impact zone or a large -scale cover -up. And so far, we haven't been able to 912 01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:16,060 find anything. What I'd love from you is... 913 01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:22,040 Your perspective on entry angles and the speeds and something that could explain 914 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,340 the witness accounts at the debris field. Okay. 915 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,600 Even 70 years after the Roswell crash, David Soucy knows that some things won't 916 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,480 have changed much at the debris field, like the topography or landscape 917 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,480 features. 918 01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:42,920 What is intriguing to me about this is the witness credibility aspect of that. 919 01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,180 Even when I go on an accident site, just... 920 01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:50,150 days after the accident, there's credibility issues there. They train us 921 01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:55,390 inspectors to vet those witness accounts because they really believe that they 922 01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:59,070 saw something happen that we know for a fact didn't happen. 923 01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:04,890 As far as the physical evidence piece, I'm hoping to find something that I can 924 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:09,310 say, here's what is here, but at the very least, we might be able to 925 01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:10,310 what is not there. 926 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,820 Doesn't look like much, but it's the birthplace of ufology in the United 927 01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:24,700 Yeah. Just by measuring the patterns and velocity of the wind, Susie is 928 01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:29,240 confident he can gather enough data to test the government's claim that what 929 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,160 crashed here was a Mogul balloon. 930 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,700 Mogul was an attempt to acoustically detect Soviet nuclear blast and 931 01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:41,840 missile launches. 932 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:48,480 A Mogul balloon was actually a series of weather balloons linked together in a 933 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,520 650 -foot high chain, 100 feet taller than the Washington Monument. 934 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,900 Each balloon chain carried a crude acoustic sensor called a sonobuoy. 935 01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:06,640 In 1947, it was the misidentification of these radar reflectors that is most 936 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,860 likely the famous flying disc. 937 01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:15,330 The 1995 Air Force report theorized that Mogul Balloon No. 938 01:03:15,570 --> 01:03:20,710 4, which had been launched on June 4, 1947, was the one that crashed near 939 01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:21,710 Roswell. 940 01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:26,830 These flights were all meticulously logged when they were launched and what 941 01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:30,770 weather was and all these things. And they tried to recover the material if 942 01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:37,310 could, but the material in and of itself wasn't important. The purpose was 943 01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:38,310 important. 944 01:03:39,310 --> 01:03:43,670 It was slightly more than three weeks between the time Mogul Balloon 4 was 945 01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:46,890 reported lost and the Roswell wreckage was found. 946 01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:55,630 So let me show you exactly what the witnesses described as a furrow or a 947 01:03:55,630 --> 01:04:01,750 gouge beginning here, heading in that direction, cut across the landscape for 948 01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:05,090 200 to 300 feet in this direction. 949 01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:07,470 And how wide? 950 01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:08,670 10 feet. 951 01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:09,700 10 feet wide. 952 01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:15,860 Interesting. And from this location, we also start the fan of the debris field. 953 01:04:16,180 --> 01:04:20,960 Jesse Marcel Sr. claims that the debris looks scattered as if something exploded 954 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,960 from the sky. 955 01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:27,140 There was so much of it. It was scattered over such a vast area. 956 01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:33,060 Ufologist and author Kevin Randall is an expert on the Roswell crash. 957 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,940 Randall is certain that Jesse Marcel would have recognized the wreckage. 958 01:04:39,490 --> 01:04:42,130 Jesse Marcel examined that debris. 959 01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:45,590 Had it been a weather balloon and a ray -wind target, he would have recognized 960 01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:48,230 it, and that would be the end of the story, and you and I would not be here 961 01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:52,170 today. Weather balloons have been used to take soundings of the atmosphere. 962 01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:57,190 They're launched around the world twice a day, and that's been the case from 963 01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:59,310 before 1947 right up to now. 964 01:04:59,810 --> 01:05:04,590 Eventually, they do pop and come down to Earth or retrieves. 965 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,880 But Richard Weaver says that only officers directly involved in Project 966 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,880 would have known about it. 967 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:18,000 They classified Mogul top secret, which means only a few people have a need to 968 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000 know. 969 01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:25,140 The project's lead engineer was Professor Charles Moore of New York 970 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,020 He agreed with the government that the eyewitnesses' descriptions of debris 971 01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:30,720 matched one of his Mogul balloons. 972 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,240 The rancher... 973 01:05:33,470 --> 01:05:38,210 who picked up the debris, noted that it contained brass eyelets at the corners 974 01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:41,170 of these radar targets. They were also on the targets we flew. 975 01:05:41,790 --> 01:05:45,590 Moore said that the instant news broke that the Army had recovered a flying 976 01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:49,450 disc, he knew it was his lost Mogul balloon, number four. 977 01:05:50,410 --> 01:05:54,170 When Moore and his Mogul team learned of the flap over the Roswell incident, he 978 01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:56,890 said they laughed, but they kept quiet about their project. 979 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,980 So they're saying it went this direction, which is almost east, right? 980 01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:07,860 What I like to do is get a documentation of the site. 981 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:15,140 I'll take the angle of every photo, and then we'll be able to map that against 982 01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:18,840 what I expect the airflow would have been. 983 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:23,360 Then what I like to do with every accident site is get some pictures of 984 01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,560 would be the approach path to the impact point. 985 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,520 So from every location. 986 01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:32,230 We take pictures coming in and going out. 987 01:06:37,090 --> 01:06:41,010 I'm not sure I buy that whole balloon drag theory. 988 01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:42,510 Really? Down through there. 989 01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:48,630 It's only his first visit to the debris field, but already this seasoned former 990 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:53,210 FAA crash inspector has doubts that a Mogul balloon could have crashed here. 991 01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:57,400 Something's wrong with it, with that whole theory of the fact that it drug 992 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,380 it's straight and there's debris straight off to the east. Not really 993 01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,279 that. 994 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,160 Think of a balloon going this way. 995 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,980 If it were a mogul balloon that was settling, as the balloon approaches the 996 01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:13,860 ground, it picks up the ground flow. So it'd be highly irregular to see a 997 01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:19,940 balloon accident go across this valley and continue in that direction the way 998 01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:20,940 was described. 999 01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:23,470 You've got wind readings up there, wind readings on the west side, and then wind 1000 01:07:23,470 --> 01:07:26,030 readings in the bottom. Yeah. And you can see that it changed direction 1001 01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:31,070 throughout that. So we can rule out a MOGA balloon making contact with the 1002 01:07:31,070 --> 01:07:35,970 at the furrow, dragging across the ground, laying to rest across that 1003 01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:37,570 field. That's not the way it works. 1004 01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:42,410 Just not the way it works. I don't know if you've removed a piece of the puzzle 1005 01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:44,610 or added a new one. I'm not sure at this point. 1006 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:45,950 Just the facts, man. 1007 01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:58,870 David Soucy will put his readings into a computer program designed to analyze 1008 01:07:58,870 --> 01:08:03,750 crash sites. If he determines a Mogul balloon could not have gone down here, 1009 01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:08,290 investigation will be one step closer to discovering whether Jesse Marcel was 1010 01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:09,350 telling the truth. 1011 01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:21,970 Because so much of his investigation hinges on Jesse Marcel's testimony, Ben 1012 01:08:21,970 --> 01:08:27,200 Smith has come to New York City to see Tanya Ryman, an expert in body language 1013 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,740 and what are called microexpressions. 1014 01:08:31,060 --> 01:08:36,180 This is a photo of the primary subject of my investigation, an intelligence 1015 01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:37,520 officer by the name of Jesse Marcel. 1016 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,979 Here he is in a press release on July 8th, 1947. 1017 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:47,979 He was ordered to pose with this tinfoil here and say what earlier had been 1018 01:08:47,979 --> 01:08:50,479 reported as a flying saucer was a weather balloon. 1019 01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:55,010 It's not until 1980 that he comes out publicly and starts speaking to the 1020 01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:58,790 cameras about what he really saw. He was of the impression that these materials 1021 01:08:58,790 --> 01:09:02,630 were not from this planet. Right. So that led to the idea that there was a 1022 01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:07,670 government cover -up to hide a UFO crash and bodies and many other extraordinary 1023 01:09:07,670 --> 01:09:12,870 claims. But it all comes back to the integrity and the testimony of this man 1024 01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:13,870 here. 1025 01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:19,050 Smith has brought with him footage of some of Jesse Marcel's interviews. 1026 01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:24,529 Ryman will watch them closely, looking for any sign that Jesse Marcel may not 1027 01:09:24,529 --> 01:09:25,529 telling the truth. 1028 01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,170 He told me not to say anything. 1029 01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:29,910 He says, I'll have it from now on. 1030 01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:32,290 And that's exactly what he did. 1031 01:09:32,750 --> 01:09:38,910 When he came out, he told the press that was there, he said there was nothing 1032 01:09:38,910 --> 01:09:40,670 but a weather balloon, a crashed weather balloon. 1033 01:09:41,170 --> 01:09:42,930 It was definitely not a weather balloon. 1034 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:45,330 And it was an aircraft. 1035 01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:49,439 So what it could have been, I wouldn't know. 1036 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,160 I still don't know. 1037 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:58,340 Is there anything we can take away from these clips here about whether he's 1038 01:09:58,340 --> 01:09:59,780 being deceptive or not? 1039 01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:03,500 We're looking for a few different things. Is he moving around too much? Is 1040 01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:05,400 fidgeting? He held eye contact. 1041 01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:10,620 He smiled at appropriate times. And he actually shook his head up and down when 1042 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:14,260 he was saying something in the affirmative, and he shook his head side 1043 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,800 When he was saying, like, you know, I couldn't say anything. 1044 01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:21,760 So those are signals of truth. Those are signals of congruency. So that tells 1045 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,900 you he believed in what he was saying? 1046 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,560 Right. He believed what he was saying, but at the same time, he's not really 1047 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:33,140 saying anything specific. At the end, he says, I don't even know what I saw, 1048 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,180 which makes it easy for him to be congruent. 1049 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,520 Of course. 1050 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:43,300 So Jesse has become a bit of a lightning rod for the whole controversy around 1051 01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:44,300 the Roswell incident. 1052 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:49,010 His family says he was an honest man, a man of duty, and he's telling the truth. 1053 01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:54,610 The government says they don't know why he's making these claims. He's not 1054 01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:55,610 telling the truth. 1055 01:10:59,810 --> 01:11:05,370 In its 1995 report, the Air Force cited a sworn affidavit from Sheridan Cabot. 1056 01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:11,270 Cabot was the special agent for counterintelligence who accompanied 1057 01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:12,350 investigate the debris. 1058 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,300 As a CIC agent, he was in a different chain of command. But they were friends 1059 01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:20,320 because nobody likes you if you're a counterintelligence officer, nobody 1060 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,540 you if you're an intelligence officer. 1061 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,640 As the other official on site, Cabot could have backed Marcel's story about 1062 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,560 strange wreckage that littered a field with nearly a mile of debris, but he 1063 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:34,560 didn't. 1064 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,180 Cabot, who was there with him, said that there's not much material there at all, 1065 01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:41,480 which they recovered most of. 1066 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,370 He said it was obvious to him at the time that the stuff they were picking up 1067 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:51,630 was just crap, you know, for lack of a better term. The fact was the material 1068 01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:57,250 that's depicted in the photos was identified by Cabot, still alive in 1069 01:11:57,250 --> 01:12:03,370 the material he and Marcel physically picked up in the desert on the farm in 1070 01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:04,730 July of 1947. 1071 01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:10,930 In his affidavit, Sheridan Cabot wrote, 1072 01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:15,290 The amount of debris was very small, about 20 square feet. 1073 01:12:15,610 --> 01:12:20,790 I remember recognizing the material as consistent with a weather balloon, which 1074 01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:22,770 would easily fit into one vehicle. 1075 01:12:24,230 --> 01:12:29,230 One thing I was certain of, it was not a weather balloon, nor an aircraft, nor a 1076 01:12:29,230 --> 01:12:33,130 missile. It was something else of which we didn't know what it was. 1077 01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:37,170 There were just fragments strewn all over the area, an area about three 1078 01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:39,150 -quarters of a mile long and several hundred feet wide. 1079 01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:42,600 So we proceeded to pick up the parts. 1080 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:47,160 So which intelligence officer was telling the truth? 1081 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,740 Sheridan Cavett or Jesse Marcel? 1082 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,900 We're looking for things like fidgeting or diverting attention. 1083 01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:01,180 I didn't see that with this. And once again, when he did make a fumble, a 1084 01:13:01,180 --> 01:13:05,200 fumble, he would autocorrect. He did it consistently and comfortably. 1085 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,499 Uh -huh. 1086 01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,720 This next clip. 1087 01:13:08,170 --> 01:13:11,890 He's going to describe the materials that he discovered. And this is a key 1088 01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:17,150 of the investigation. Can we trust his eyewitness account about the actual 1089 01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:18,290 debris that he found? Okay. 1090 01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:27,310 But the thing about that got me is that you couldn't even bend it. You couldn't 1091 01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:28,310 even bend it. 1092 01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:30,470 Even with a sledgehammer, it would bounce off of it. 1093 01:13:31,150 --> 01:13:34,430 So I knew that I had never seen anything like that before. 1094 01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:37,430 And as of now, I don't know what it was. 1095 01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:41,690 It was not anything from this earth that I'm quite sure of. 1096 01:13:42,170 --> 01:13:45,530 Because I was vegan until I was almost, I was familiar with just about all the 1097 01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:49,170 materials used in aircraft and in our air travel. 1098 01:13:49,930 --> 01:13:51,150 This is nothing like that. 1099 01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:52,390 It could not have been. 1100 01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:56,690 Do you see any signs of deception? 1101 01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:00,870 I don't see any signs of deception in him, in his own self -belief. 1102 01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:06,310 So he's not being willingly deceptive to trick us all into believing something 1103 01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:07,310 that isn't true. 1104 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,100 He truly believes what he's saying. I got the impression that he truly 1105 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,100 what he's saying. 1106 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:25,160 After analyzing Marcel's body language with expert Tanya Ryman, who sees no 1107 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,820 indication of deceit... He truly believes what he's saying. 1108 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,900 Ben Smith heads to York College in Pennsylvania to see if cryptologist 1109 01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,820 Bauer has made progress deciphering the journal. 1110 01:14:37,870 --> 01:14:42,410 With Smith is Jesse Marcel's grandson, who is just as eager to know what the 1111 01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:43,510 writing in the journal means. 1112 01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:48,970 Do you think that there would have been any reason why another intelligence 1113 01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:53,350 officer on base would have wanted to give him information that would have 1114 01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:55,630 somewhat coded in some way? 1115 01:14:55,910 --> 01:15:02,450 I think if your grandfather is making claims that someone else believes or 1116 01:15:02,450 --> 01:15:06,010 someone else had the same experience. 1117 01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:12,260 but for whatever reason they feel afraid of openly speaking out, they might 1118 01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:16,360 capture that in a code and give it to your grandfather. 1119 01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:20,460 I would like to believe that what we find in there is going to be something 1120 01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:26,440 significant enough that it makes it irrefutable, that what my father and 1121 01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,680 grandfather believed in was something that was truly not made by human hands. 1122 01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:33,800 Craig Bauer has devised a customized program. 1123 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,940 to try and crack whatever code might be hiding in the journal. 1124 01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:42,500 Knock, knock. 1125 01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,520 Hey, Ben, good to see you again. Yeah, you too. How are you? Good. You must be 1126 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,520 Jesse. Jesse Marcel. 1127 01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:52,440 Craig, nice to meet you. Jack is one of our best math and computer science 1128 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:53,460 majors. Oh, great. 1129 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:54,499 Good to see you again. 1130 01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:57,840 So, we've been studying your grandfather's journal. 1131 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,620 The first really interesting thing we noticed was... 1132 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,860 You know, sort of weird ways of writing letters. 1133 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,240 Like, he has a capital L in the middle of a word. 1134 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,460 Okay. And it's not like the whole thing is in uppercase. It's just randomly a 1135 01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:18,640 capital L. You can see on the line above, he's using lowercase L's in 1136 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,640 girl. 1137 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,740 We started to see these different forms. 1138 01:16:21,980 --> 01:16:25,520 So I asked Jack to prepare this table, and I was thrilled with this result. 1139 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,720 We have two forms of every letter that appears more than once. 1140 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,620 You can see a K where it's... 1141 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,380 Two separate pieces and together. 1142 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,160 Up at the top right, you can see an O and an O that's filled in like a solid 1143 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,280 circle. A P with a loop, a P without a loop. 1144 01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:48,400 So this really intrigued us. To a cryptographer, this indicates a certain 1145 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,259 of cipher. 1146 01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:50,260 It does. 1147 01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,220 Yeah. If you have two different versions of a letter, you know, we could call 1148 01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:55,980 them, say, zero and one. Sure. 1149 01:16:56,220 --> 01:17:00,180 So you have an apparent message, but really it's spelling something out in 1150 01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:04,240 binary. Binary, is that? Okay, just that simple. Yeah, yeah. There's a system 1151 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,740 that uses that kind of approach. 1152 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,440 Okay. This made us very hopeful. 1153 01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:11,500 You got my heart going, I'll say that much. 1154 01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:13,900 But there is some bad news. 1155 01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:20,480 If somebody's implementing a bilateral cipher, that person has to be very 1156 01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,800 careful to stick to one or the other form and make it clear which it is. That 1157 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:26,419 makes sense. 1158 01:17:26,420 --> 01:17:27,420 Go ahead and show them. 1159 01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:29,300 Oh, okay. 1160 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,880 This is the real result. 1161 01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:36,920 We found in many instances three forms of a letter, and this is a big problem. 1162 01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:38,800 This would throw everything off. 1163 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:44,260 Yeah, so this is kind of frustrating, and the result was that we had to run 1164 01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:48,500 program again and again and again with different assumptions, with different 1165 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,820 assignments for some of these third characters, these third forms. 1166 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,600 Our government has poured so much money into the development of computers 1167 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,000 because they needed them for code breaking. This is why computers were 1168 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,040 developed. You could go through a lot of combinations by hand, 67 million, no, 1169 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,360 okay? 1170 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:09,980 But we have computers because of this need to break ciphers, and this is how 1171 01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:13,320 we're going to apply them in this journal. We had to write a computer 1172 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,640 that just tests all the possibilities. 1173 01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:19,320 We tested our program on little pieces, little sections of the journal. Why 1174 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,520 don't we show them a typical result? 1175 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,680 Maybe just the very first passage that was printed about Jonah. 1176 01:18:28,190 --> 01:18:29,550 Here's the original quote. 1177 01:18:29,810 --> 01:18:33,490 When down in the mouth remember Jonah, he came out all right. Okay, sure. 1178 01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:36,890 The program just takes a few minutes. 1179 01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:40,530 We get things like this. A web. 1180 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:44,890 Okay. And then the asterisk means we got a string of A's and B's that does not 1181 01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:45,990 correspond to a letter. 1182 01:18:46,990 --> 01:18:49,610 That's a bad sign to get one that doesn't even map to a letter. 1183 01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:53,810 Okay. Every so often you can pick out a word here or there. 1184 01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:56,810 I think you got MacArthur at one point. 1185 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,840 So we were kind of checking the timing. What have you been writing about 1186 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,060 MacArthur? But on run after run, we're just periodically getting words, but 1187 01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:08,800 never a complete sentence, never anything that looked like it couldn't 1188 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,460 arisen by chance. Okay, sure. 1189 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,560 Nothing meaningful. Right, right. 1190 01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,520 I mean, I guess there's a ray of hope. 1191 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,800 We can't conclude that there's not something hidden there. Okay. We can 1192 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,480 that there's not something hidden there with a straightforward bilateral cipher. 1193 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,090 Okay. But there are many ways to hide a message. 1194 01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:32,970 We still don't have a good explanation for why you would have an uppercase L in 1195 01:19:32,970 --> 01:19:36,110 the middle of a word or these strange different forms. Yeah. 1196 01:19:36,410 --> 01:19:38,690 So there could well be something there. 1197 01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:45,250 You know, the 509th bomb group where Jesse worked was a pretty unique place. 1198 01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:49,710 They had a lot of need to communicate sensitive information to each other. 1199 01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:54,190 Is it possible that a group like the 509th... 1200 01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:58,420 could communicate in a cipher that only they knew about. 1201 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,720 Oh yeah, I think they could do that pretty easily. 1202 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,300 There are a lot of homebrew systems. 1203 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,900 You know, to make up a little cipher system, you're just going to exchange a 1204 01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:08,900 messages. 1205 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,200 It's not that hard to make it really hard to break. 1206 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,520 Uh -huh. 1207 01:20:14,020 --> 01:20:15,780 I have a lot of faith that there's something here. 1208 01:20:17,500 --> 01:20:20,880 My grandfather would have wanted to leave some kind of message behind. 1209 01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:22,420 Something. 1210 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,060 I always said that you can always believe the other people that were 1211 01:20:25,740 --> 01:20:30,340 So maybe this is one of the other people that was involved and some way of 1212 01:20:30,340 --> 01:20:31,340 getting a message. 1213 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:32,940 We need to go find out who wrote this. 1214 01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:34,180 Yeah. 1215 01:20:36,940 --> 01:20:39,440 Next on Roswell, the first witness. 1216 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:45,640 He told me, don't believe everything the government tells you. What did Jesse 1217 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,700 Marcel say in private that he never said in public? 1218 01:20:48,940 --> 01:20:50,200 He said there are things. 1219 01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:52,500 That this world is not ready for. 1220 01:20:52,940 --> 01:20:55,260 He confessed to her there was more. 1221 01:20:55,620 --> 01:20:57,460 So much more he could have said. 1222 01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:02,220 Did 1223 01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:09,400 Marcel 1224 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,700 hide a piece of what he found at home? 1225 01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:13,540 Jesse said he had proof. 1226 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,940 That could be some debris left around. 1227 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,300 Is the proof still buried in the ground? 1228 01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:20,950 Right there. 1229 01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:26,550 It's something that doesn't make sense to me. Have you ever seen that in a 1230 01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:29,390 wreck? No. There's something under the ground there. 1231 01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:34,030 She says her father staged a cover -up. And he also destroyed files. 1232 01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:35,590 Or changed them. 1233 01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:38,410 Even though he knew Jesse Marcel was right. 1234 01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:43,210 He said that the world wasn't ready to know the truth about what happened at 1235 01:21:43,210 --> 01:21:44,210 Roswell. 1236 01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:49,050 He didn't write the journal, but did he share its secrets with this man? 1237 01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:50,529 Who could have? 1238 01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:56,330 I'm Lawrence Fishburne. Thanks for watching History's Greatest Mysteries. 1239 01:21:56,330 --> 01:22:00,350 time, our conclusion to Roswell, the first witness. 110953

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