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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:32,930 --> 00:01:35,970 I'm just gonna tell you the whole story. 2 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:40,730 So I had the $50,000 debt because of the taxes. 3 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:46,400 I was screwed. Jerry's dead, I'm left holding the bag. 4 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,820 And I don't have 50,000 for the IRS. I'm not going down like that. 5 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:59,450 I was just thinking, "Okay, I gotta do something here. I gotta do something." 6 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:09,000 I called the IRS and I said, "Listen, 7 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:15,300 I know you know I owe 50,000, but I have a story for you." 8 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:20,560 So I told the IRS the whole story verbatim. 9 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:26,770 Now it might have been a year later, my accountant, we were talking, 10 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:31,690 and he said, "You're the reason why all this went down." I said, "What?" 11 00:02:31,780 --> 00:02:37,030 He said, "Yeah." Because they reported it to the FBI or whomever, 12 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,120 and it just busted wide open after that. But I had no idea, 13 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,870 all I was trying to do is get myself out a $50,000 debt. 14 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:51,300 And the next thing I knew, everybody is being investigated. 15 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:54,720 I was kind of scared coming out with this. 16 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,260 I didn't want anything to happen to me 17 00:02:57,340 --> 00:03:01,520 because I've come a long way, I don't wanna ever go back. 18 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,690 And so I was hesitant about this whole mess, 19 00:03:05,850 --> 00:03:11,650 because when you're quiet for so long about things that took a turn 20 00:03:11,730 --> 00:03:13,900 and you didn't know why it took a turn, 21 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:18,160 then you found out that you're the reason that it made the turn, 22 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,950 I don't know what, it just made me be more quiet. 23 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:30,670 But does that make you the informant? 24 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:35,760 It does, but I don't like that adjective. I don't like that because 25 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,680 in my mind, I never even knew that I was the one. 26 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:21,720 MCMILLIONS 27 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:30,770 He was not at his Lawrenceville home today, 28 00:04:30,850 --> 00:04:33,650 the man neighbors here have jokingly nicknamed... 29 00:04:33,730 --> 00:04:34,980 We called him the Hamburglar. 30 00:04:35,070 --> 00:04:39,490 The FBI says 58-year-old Jerome Jacobson was the ringleader who kept... 31 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:42,450 There was a lot of publicity on this case at the time. 32 00:04:42,530 --> 00:04:45,200 There was an enormous amount of publicity. 33 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:49,210 The press was all around the house, on the streets. 34 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:53,920 I get phone calls continuously, all hours of the night, they would call. 35 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:59,510 Jacobson provided the winning game pieces to his friends and associates 36 00:04:59,590 --> 00:05:01,510 who acted as recruiters. 37 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,640 We were totally exhausted. 38 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,100 It just took so much energy to get out in the public. 39 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:11,810 The FBI believes those recruiters passed on the tickets to relatives. 40 00:05:11,980 --> 00:05:16,360 So we had this big buildup of the case in anticipation of the trial. 41 00:05:16,530 --> 00:05:19,740 Eight people who worked for the company that runs McDonald's games 42 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:22,160 like Monopoly and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire... 43 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,200 ... the hugely popular Monopoly game... 44 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:28,540 ... people who run the McDonald's Monopoly game. 45 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:31,960 If you're just tuning in, breaking news here on 1010 WINS. 46 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,340 A plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. 47 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:37,670 This happening just a matter of minutes ago. 48 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,260 U.S. attacked 49 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:46,720 After 9/11 everything changed. So this McDonald's story just vanished. 50 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:51,350 It did very quickly get eclipsed. "All right, we're under attack," 51 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:53,350 and you kind of snap out of it. 52 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,730 The world changed. And what went 53 00:05:56,820 --> 00:06:01,240 from being a case that the entire office and others 54 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:07,780 were feverishly working on kind of went back to primarily just Doug and Rick. 55 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:13,000 Many, many of us were immediately changed. 56 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:19,710 You are now a terrorism agent and working all day, all night on that. 57 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,890 We didn't put any local stories on the front page for four months. 58 00:06:25,970 --> 00:06:30,140 So if we had updates, they were going back of the paper. 59 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:38,150 So it vanished here and then vanished off the front pages everywhere. 60 00:06:41,030 --> 00:06:45,490 After 9/11 the McDonald's was a memory. 61 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:48,410 Everybody forgot about it, 62 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:54,580 except the FBI and the Justice Department. They proceeded. 63 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:06,050 The trial was here in Jacksonville, here in this building. 64 00:07:06,130 --> 00:07:08,300 It lasted three weeks, 65 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:13,060 and it was almost like a couple trials within a trial because 66 00:07:13,220 --> 00:07:15,520 once we have the overall scheme, 67 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,270 then had to place evidence just upon each of the defendants. 68 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,070 You have those grand hopes of being a million-dollar winner. 69 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:25,650 Devereaux says Jacobson pocketed those pieces, 70 00:07:25,740 --> 00:07:30,780 and in exchange for a cut of the prize, gave them to friends and relatives. 71 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:35,290 Mark is at that stage coming on very strong, 72 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:40,710 with lots of threats about the consequence to our client, 73 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,510 and the terrible situation our client was in, 74 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:47,220 and how much time it was gonna get. 75 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:52,350 Generally, we don't respond favorably to threats. 76 00:07:54,430 --> 00:07:59,020 It was pretty clear that Mark Devereaux was coming full force. 77 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:04,070 I always love wiretaps because you just bring in the little recorder 78 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:05,990 and you push play. 79 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:10,070 And there's this client, not only is he making a confession 80 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,950 you are listening live to your client committing the crime. 81 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,550 Mark was like the bulldog that bit the tire of the truck 82 00:08:23,630 --> 00:08:25,510 and couldn't let go, 83 00:08:25,590 --> 00:08:31,260 and ultimately I sent Janice on him. And she eventually brought him around. 84 00:08:33,890 --> 00:08:36,640 Ultimately, it's all up to how you will define victory. 85 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,440 And in this case, it wasn't trial, but it was 86 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,730 working through what was best for him plea-wise. 87 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:46,690 We ended up working out something that was definitely waivable 88 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:51,740 and favorable for our client from a very difficult position to start with. 89 00:08:51,820 --> 00:08:56,290 Right. We didn't have much of a defense. 90 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:01,620 According to federal investigators, Jacobson has pleaded guilty 91 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:05,630 to taking those pieces and giving them to friends and family to redeem. 92 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,180 Once we made our deal and Jerry pled guilty 93 00:09:10,260 --> 00:09:14,050 then he became kind of the instrument of the prosecution. 94 00:09:14,140 --> 00:09:16,010 Because Jerry began cooperating, 95 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:19,680 the prosecutor did agree to do have motion to the court for reduction 96 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:21,850 based on substantial assistance. 97 00:09:21,940 --> 00:09:25,730 But you are totally at their discretion. 98 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:32,910 They could suck you dry for information and then not help you. 99 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:39,370 We had eight original individuals who are indicted, 100 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:41,960 which turned into fifty-three people. 101 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,130 And out of the fifty-three that were there, 102 00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:49,340 everybody pled but seven people decided to go to trial. 103 00:09:49,510 --> 00:09:54,680 They didn't plead because they didn't like Devereaux's aftershave. 104 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,060 It's because we had them. That's why. 105 00:09:59,430 --> 00:10:03,270 They got me on one count of mail fraud, and I pled to the one count 106 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,570 because... I did it. I did it. 107 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:15,370 These people that I gave tickets to did not know I lied to them. 108 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:18,950 So they really... they got screwed. 109 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,710 But once you plead guilty, it's too late. 110 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:27,880 But that's the mentality of people who never been in trouble. 111 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,970 You get so scared, it's like you're gonna lose everything you have, 112 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:37,510 you're gonna go to jail and somebody's gonna be screwing your wife, 113 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,520 and your kids, they're not gonna know you anymore, and guys get scared. 114 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,940 So that's why they plead guilty, to get it over with. 115 00:10:47,110 --> 00:10:54,110 My plan at the time was to enter a plea of not guilty. So that's what I did. 116 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,450 If you have little knowledge of a conspiracy or a crime, 117 00:10:58,530 --> 00:11:00,620 you can't be guilty. 118 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,670 Seven went to trial, two following my opening statement 119 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:12,000 ended up changing their pleas from not guilty to guilty 120 00:11:12,090 --> 00:11:16,180 because they didn't realize the evidence was more than compelling. 121 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:22,970 The light at the end of the tunnel was a train coming at them, 122 00:11:23,060 --> 00:11:27,190 and they wanted to get out of the way, so they pled guilty. 123 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:41,650 Certainly, it was a crime when Jacobson stole that game piece. 124 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:44,000 But then you had the fraudster, 125 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,170 and the fraudster is the one turning in that game piece 126 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:52,380 and saying that he or she won it according to these rules. 127 00:11:57,050 --> 00:12:01,180 Part of the government's theory was that McDonald's have been defrauded 128 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:06,850 by folks like George Chandler because they had violated the game rules. 129 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:12,940 Game rules in a federal court of law, the federal statutes apply, mail fraud. 130 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:16,570 I have never tried a case where the law 131 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:20,490 is the game rules of a hamburger company. 132 00:12:20,570 --> 00:12:24,290 You literally have a federal prosecutor suggesting that 133 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:30,040 if you broke the McDonald's game rules, you must be a criminal. 134 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:33,750 There were those that would really question, 135 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,550 "Why are you even prosecuting it? It was just a game." 136 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:41,970 There's a difference between a law and rules of a game. 137 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:47,390 But even if an individual was tricked, and their friend was telling them, 138 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,350 "Why don't you do this? You act like you're the winner." 139 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,150 Well, you committed fraud because you deceived, 140 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:59,360 you tricked Ronald McDonald into letting go of money. 141 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:04,120 What gave the federal government the ability to prosecute this 142 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,330 was that they used the United States mail. 143 00:13:08,410 --> 00:13:12,750 If you have a scheme to trick somebody 144 00:13:12,830 --> 00:13:16,250 out of property or money, 145 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:21,090 and you use our United States mail, 146 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:23,640 that's a crime. 147 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:32,060 The government dug its heels in on that and took the position that 148 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:36,440 if someone found that game piece on the street and cashed it in, 149 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,030 they'd be committing a federal crime. 150 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:42,910 But the McDonald's witnesses called by the government 151 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:46,530 admitted that there's nothing that prohibits a transfer of a ticket. 152 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:49,910 So St. Jude could get a ticket given to them as a gift, 153 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,670 George Chandler can get the ticket by buying it or having it handed to him. 154 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:55,960 All of that was perfectly lawful. 155 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,170 Now, of course, the defense made a big deal of St. Jude saying, "See? 156 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:05,510 McDonald's didn't even follow the rules, didn't follow their own rules." 157 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:07,810 They did follow the rules. 158 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:12,060 McDonald's gave St. Jude's Hospital a million-dollar donation 159 00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:14,980 as a gesture of goodwill and fairness. 160 00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:19,020 I don't think the average person 161 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:22,110 would think if they got a game piece from somebody else, 162 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,490 but most in these circumstance that they were doing anything wrong, 163 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:31,370 even though they would tell him a lie, it wasn't a crime. 164 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:34,540 They didn't know though that the piece was stolen. 165 00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:38,250 It's like the difference of buying a car that's stolen 166 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:41,550 versus, "Oh, look, I got a really good deal," and had they known, 167 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:46,050 I would suspect many of them, if not, all of them, wouldn't have bought it. 168 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:56,230 I was a witness for the US government for Mark Devereaux. 169 00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:58,690 I remember a question that Devereaux asked me, 170 00:14:58,860 --> 00:15:02,320 he said, "When did you find out the game pieces were stolen?" 171 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,240 I said, "You told me they weren't stolen." 172 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,200 If he could have come up and punched me at that time, he probably would have. 173 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,370 But he stepped right into it, because it was the truth. 174 00:15:16,670 --> 00:15:19,130 Jerry had never told anyone. 175 00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:24,470 No one in the whole process knew that he was stealing the game pieces. 176 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:29,470 People said, "Well, how? You got to be kidding me." No. 177 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:34,100 I knew Jerry has done something wrong. He said, "I want the game pieces." 178 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:36,690 But the reality is, 179 00:15:36,770 --> 00:15:41,980 He had right to place them wherever he wanted. He was taking money for them. 180 00:15:42,070 --> 00:15:47,490 There's only one witness that could say what George Chandler knew 181 00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:50,160 and that was his foster brother, Mr. Dwight Baker. 182 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,530 And he told the jury in substance that, 183 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:56,540 "I heard George Chandler and Dwight Baker made it clear to the jury 184 00:15:56,620 --> 00:15:59,290 that George was not a member of the conspiracy." He said that, 185 00:15:59,380 --> 00:16:03,960 sworn testimony. The FBI did a wiretap for two months. 186 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:08,340 Hundreds and hundreds of phone calls and not one word about George Chandler 187 00:16:08,510 --> 00:16:12,930 had in any complicity and knowledge of tickets being stolen or embezzled. 188 00:16:13,010 --> 00:16:15,430 The judge agreed with us, 189 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,350 and he announced that he was gonna add a jury instruction that 190 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,900 the juries could not convict unless Chandler knew the ticket was stolen 191 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:25,730 or unlawfully obtained. 192 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:27,820 We knew then we should win the case. 193 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,160 Today, the Lawrenceville man who admitted fixing the McDonald's Monopoly 194 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,700 a few years ago testifies in federal court. 195 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:38,580 Jerome Jacobson took the winning tickets 196 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:43,170 while working as head of security for the company that ran the game. 197 00:16:43,250 --> 00:16:44,340 The obvious question 198 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:47,670 and one of the things that was important for us to present to the jury 199 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,760 was how in the world could he, Jerome Jacobson, 200 00:16:50,930 --> 00:16:55,560 steal winning pieces from the fortress that was Simon Marketing and Dittler 201 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,640 while he was being accompanied by a lady from an accounting firm? 202 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:01,900 How did he do it? 203 00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:09,610 When I put a witness on the stand, especially like Mr. Jacobson, 204 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:14,700 I tried to do the defenses job before I let the defense do it telling them, 205 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:19,410 "Mr. Jacobson, you're a thief." And make him admit that. 206 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:23,170 I don't want the jury to think I'm some friend to his 207 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:26,250 because I'm not a friend of Mr. Jacobson. 208 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:30,010 Just tell the truth, what'd you do? 209 00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:36,350 The way this would work is that the airports were big hub for him. 210 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:38,310 It's how he got around. 211 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:44,520 And he would utilize the frequent flyer lounges, 212 00:17:44,610 --> 00:17:49,280 the crown rooms. He would frequent those a lot. 213 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:59,790 Hilda Bennett was accompanying Jerry Jacobson, 214 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:04,210 but she is not walking in to the men's bathroom facility with him. 215 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:09,510 Hilda was supposed to be with him at all times. 216 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:13,130 She was never ever under any circumstances 217 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:18,470 to give the briefcase full of winning tickets to Jerry and Jerry alone. 218 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:32,650 The briefcase had combinations on it. 219 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,820 Jerry had his combination. 220 00:18:36,910 --> 00:18:38,780 Hilda had hers. 221 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,370 And somehow he found out her combination. 222 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,500 He had to look over his shoulder, like he did at the vault 223 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,340 and get the combination. 224 00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:55,760 He said he went into a stall where he had privacy 225 00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:58,720 and he just opened up the briefcase. 226 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,310 The game pieces were in an envelope that was sealed with a sticker 227 00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:07,770 that if you remove the sticker, it would show that it was removed. 228 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:11,820 This is before 9/11. He'd take a little pen knife, 229 00:19:13,530 --> 00:19:17,410 open it up, take those game pieces. 230 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:22,080 He knows one of them is a winning million-dollar game piece. 231 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:25,960 He brought commons with him 232 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,330 so that they would have the right amount of pieces on it 233 00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:34,210 because on the outside of the envelope, it would say 37 pieces. 234 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:38,050 So he couldn't take the winners out, it wouldn't be 37 anymore 235 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,300 so he had to bring some to replace it. 236 00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:42,470 For some reason, no idea why 237 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,390 he got sent the stickers that went on the envelopes. 238 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,980 He got a sheet of them sent to him by mistake. 239 00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:55,040 You know, he showed me the envelope, had that little seal hologram on it. 240 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:58,490 He said, "Nobody can get them from me because this is sealed 241 00:19:58,660 --> 00:20:01,410 and it's got special mark on it if anybody tries to get into it." 242 00:20:01,490 --> 00:20:06,790 So he would close the envelope and put on a new sticker and nobody knew. 243 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:10,500 But had he not gotten the stickers, he never could have done this. 244 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:26,310 Nobody suspected that and that's how he did it. 245 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,810 After he stole all the game pieces 246 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:37,860 he would end up going to these factories and making a big plague. 247 00:20:38,030 --> 00:20:40,070 "Ladies and gentleman, please see, 248 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,410 here is the seed pack which contains one of the winning game pieces. 249 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:48,290 Please everyone, look at it to ensure that it has not been tampered with. 250 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:53,040 Look, I take my job so serious, I even wear a bulletproof vest." 251 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:56,880 And everybody is thinking, "Wow, this guy is going rarely overboard." 252 00:20:57,050 --> 00:21:00,050 But it was all a show. 253 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:04,810 The biggest break in the chain to me was the security auditor, Hilda. 254 00:21:04,890 --> 00:21:07,680 But I can't totally blame her 255 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:11,230 because I've seen a lot of people not stand up to Jerry 256 00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:17,690 that lame take a little pass rather than go in for a confrontation. 257 00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:22,110 Our first thought was the two of them had to be in cahoots. 258 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,080 How else could it work? I wanna get two really good interviewers down here 259 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,580 because I wanna know once and for all, is she involved, is she not involved. 260 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:35,170 So we interviewed Hilda Bennett and the other people from the CPA firm. 261 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:39,260 They weren't involved. We had no money, trading hands, 262 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:44,300 nothing to show that they were a part of this game. 263 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:49,520 How could you not be involved? But she turned out to be an honest lady 264 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,480 and just got had by Jerry like he did everybody else. 265 00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:56,690 I think he told me at some point, he goes, 266 00:21:56,770 --> 00:22:02,030 "Yeah, these CPA firms that we're hiring to follow me 267 00:22:02,110 --> 00:22:05,200 legitimize this process, a bunch of idiots." 268 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:10,290 As he coined this, "I'm stupid, but I was smarter than those guys." 269 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,630 We're near the end of merely six hours of closing arguments 270 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:23,430 in which defense attorneys have tried to convince the jury 271 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:25,390 that their clients are victims, too. 272 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:28,850 They said they will play just like everyone else in this scam. 273 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,560 George Chandler's lawyer insists his client thought 274 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,600 he was helping his foster father hide assets during a sticky divorce. 275 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:37,230 This case goes to the jury next, 276 00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:40,980 and what they have to decide is whether they have any reasonable doubt 277 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:44,280 any of these guys intended to be part of a scam. 278 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:51,750 Until trial, Jerry had never told anyone he had went into the bathroom 279 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:56,120 and changed out the game pieces and was stealing them. He never told anybody. 280 00:22:56,210 --> 00:23:00,300 In order for it to be a crime, you have to acknowledge that it's stolen. 281 00:23:02,010 --> 00:23:03,670 No one knew. 282 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,060 When the jury gave their verdict to the judge, 283 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:15,140 there was kind of a respectful but pregnant silence. 284 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:23,820 And then the judge said, "Guilty." 285 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,570 It confirmed my worst fear. 286 00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:33,790 And that was hard. It was difficult. 287 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:42,750 When you put 12 people together in that box, it's something magical. 288 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,720 And I'm not saying anybody is a lie detector, 289 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,390 but most of us can after a while go... that just doesn't pass the smell test. 290 00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:56,730 We're very pleased with the verdict. 291 00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:01,060 I think that shows that there's no easy way to make money but to work hard. 292 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:07,400 And I think it shows that fraud is not a game and fraud is just thievery. 293 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:09,030 Thanks a lot. 294 00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:18,210 George never wavered nor did I in our belief in his innocence 295 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,420 and we went right to work to put together 296 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:23,130 a comprehensive motion for judgment of acquittal. 297 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:25,510 We knew we would fail, 298 00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:29,550 but that doesn't change the fact that you've been found guilty. 299 00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:35,640 I remember coming home and talking to Russell about the verdict. 300 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,100 I remember Russell asking me 301 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,530 if I was gonna have to go to jail. 302 00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:49,280 And I didn't know how to answer him. 303 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:56,040 I didn't think he was serious. I was like, "You're not serious." 304 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,040 All you think about at 10 years old is going behind bars. 305 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,380 You see all these bars on TV and that's jail to you. 306 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,550 I was definitely afraid for him. Am I gonna get to see my dad anymore? 307 00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:13,390 Am I gonna get to see him for the next 10 years? Is he going away for life? 308 00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:16,640 It's heart-wrenching for sure because you wanna say, 309 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,390 "Daddy, when am I gonna see you? What do you have to do?" You don't know. 310 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,400 And he loved up to me and I took him under my arm, 311 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,360 told him it's gonna be all right. We'll make it through. 312 00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:33,240 And... 313 00:25:36,410 --> 00:25:38,660 I told him not to worry. 314 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,910 That... 315 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:48,050 That the truth will eventually win the battle. 316 00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:58,930 Robin Colombo took part in a nationwide scheme to steal the game winnings. 317 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:02,850 Maximum penalty of a single count of mail fraud is five years in prison 318 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:06,270 and a $250,000 fine along with restitution. 319 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,190 - And what did you get sentenced to? - Eighteen months. 320 00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:14,910 Because of my past records they were throwing out all kind of numbers, 321 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:18,830 10 years, and when we went for sentencing, the judge said, 322 00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:22,830 "That was so long ago. We'll forget about that." 323 00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:25,000 He gave me the year and a day. 324 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,510 The judge gave me six months of ankle brace and then 12-months' probation. 325 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:38,510 I wore an ankle bracelet, yes, sir, for two years. 326 00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:43,520 Two years house arrest and probation. 327 00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:48,060 When I was in the courtroom that day, I was thinking to myself, 328 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:52,610 "I'm gonna be going to jail and I got to make plans for my son 329 00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:56,530 to figure out who gonna be the best person for him to stay with." 330 00:26:58,570 --> 00:27:01,330 He said, "We're not gonna lock you up." 331 00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:04,540 And I said, "Well, that's a good thing." 332 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:08,330 My full sentencing was I had to pay restitution. 333 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:11,750 My house still has a lean on it 334 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,340 but it was a sigh relief that I'll be able to be home with my child. 335 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:24,640 White-collar crimes notoriously do not get high sentences. 336 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:27,770 If they haven't committed another crime, they have no priors, 337 00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:31,690 and they cooperate, they may only get two years imprisonment. 338 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:39,490 Jerry Jacobson got the most severe sentence to approximately three years. 339 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:45,330 He pled guilty, received a 37-month sentence, I think. 340 00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:48,830 And I would consider that a victory. 341 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,170 He should have got more. 342 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:54,090 It's just done square up to me, but again, like I said, I'm just an agent. 343 00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:58,300 Most agents probably believe that. So we're glad we don't wear the robe. 344 00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:00,340 Thirty-seven months in prison, 345 00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:04,720 particularly with somebody who has MS is not exactly an easy sentence either. 346 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:07,180 A night is a long time in prison. 347 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,650 The sympathetic heart of a criminal defense lawyer. 348 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:19,280 As part of Jerry's sentence he was ordered to pay I think 349 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,910 somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 million in restitution 350 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:25,200 and I believe forfeiture as well. 351 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:28,250 It was more than he could pay. 352 00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:34,050 And so at a certain point, it becomes irrelevant. 353 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:41,720 So when I went to jail and meet with the unit manager, and he says, 354 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,760 "You owe three and a half million dollars." 355 00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,180 I said, "Yeah." He said, "Do you have it?" 356 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,150 I said, "Yeah. It's in my locker. I brought it in with me. 357 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,570 Maybe if you come and help me, we could carry it in here." 358 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,990 To this day, I pay a hundred and sixty dollars a month. 359 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,450 If you had to do it again would you do it again? 360 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,080 Tomorrow. 361 00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,920 Tomorrow. 362 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:41,450 These heels! 363 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:48,160 I've had a crazy journey really after Jerry, my husband, died. 364 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:52,580 I was a shell of a woman. It was horrible. 365 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:55,840 I couldn't eat. I couldn't do nothing. 366 00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:06,930 So, I didn't wanna be here no more. 367 00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:10,810 So, I... 368 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:14,230 took a lot of pills. 369 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,690 I told Jerry, "I'll see you soon." 370 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:25,530 That should have killed me. That didn't. 371 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,840 Long story short, I got in the nut hut. I'm here. 372 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,930 Jerry had a lot of faults. I know he cheated on me. I know he lied. 373 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:57,520 But he was also my mediator, my middleman that kept me from 374 00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:02,440 the family, from people, hurting me. 375 00:31:06,570 --> 00:31:08,990 He always took my side. 376 00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:12,160 I can't find my... Where's my lighter? 377 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:22,300 The Colombos, I know they blame me. How could you not? I'm the driver. 378 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,380 I would. 379 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:29,430 You blame everybody. You blame God. You, blame... 380 00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:33,100 It felt... 381 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,060 When my mother went to prison, after Jerry died, 382 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:41,270 it ended up becoming 383 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,360 a big war between my family and the Colombos. 384 00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:54,580 They ended up keeping my brother, who's three years old at the time. 385 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,750 Hi, camera. Hi, camera. 386 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,830 I would call them all the time, trying to get him. 387 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,840 They would never let me see him. 388 00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:16,680 I was in prison, counting the days until I'm gonna see my damn son. 389 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:20,730 And Monopoly put me back in prison. 390 00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:27,780 I lost my son, my husband, losing my freedom again. 391 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:32,530 I don't know what else I'm gonna do. 392 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:48,340 He never once apologized ever for doing it, first of all. 393 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:51,930 I don't think he's regretting anything he did. 394 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:55,890 He pulled off a twenty-million dollar McDonald's scam. 395 00:32:55,970 --> 00:33:00,350 He's famous almost, you know. You're doing a movie about him. 396 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:09,110 Talking about the consequence, I remember his remorsefulness and grief 397 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:13,320 when he realized that other people were being charged. 398 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:15,830 He didn't imagine that could happen. 399 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:26,300 We did not realize what it was going to do at the time that Jerry was caught. 400 00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:29,670 So our paper were all vilified, we did nothing wrong. 401 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,140 - We're doing our job. - We're doing what we're supposed to. 402 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,390 After they announced to close the plant to everybody, we had no choice. 403 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,980 You didn't get a severance or anything, you were just terminated basically. 404 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:50,570 You would be amazed if the reaction and the emotion you saw 405 00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:54,620 in a lot of the people, some of them just about crying. 406 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,750 So, we all lost our jobs because this place disappeared. 407 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,460 There is no Dittler Brothers. 408 00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:08,670 And it just all came crashing to an end because of one person. 409 00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:11,590 It hurt a lot of people. 410 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:15,390 I would hope he feels bad, just because we built friendships. 411 00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:18,720 I remember the joke around. They wished he would come back up here, 412 00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:22,180 and sent in the lobby, and just wait everybody as they walk by, slap him. 413 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:24,940 I think he would need protection if he came back up to the plant. 414 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:28,610 Because what he done over 10 years... 415 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,110 He has never once mentioned 416 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:43,000 all the chaos and destruction that he caused with his little project. 417 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,420 And he didn't even seem to think about it. 418 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,590 He has a variety of thoughts about why he did it. 419 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:57,300 But, basically, he said it was utter stupidity on his part. 420 00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:07,600 Jerry and I were married from 1973 until '76. 421 00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:13,030 Let's put it this way. It went from worse to unbearable. 422 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,990 When the child was brought up a certain way, they wind up a certain way. 423 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,870 He never felt worthy of much. He was raised without money, 424 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,290 and he felt like he'd played second fiddle to Marvin 425 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:36,260 because Marvin was getting the financial support. 426 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,390 We were friends, but 427 00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:48,230 we're not brothers, if that's a word you wanna say. 428 00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:53,480 No. There were no fun stories. There are no fun stories. No. 429 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:59,110 And sometimes in his life, he decided 430 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,830 "I want what all these other people have." 431 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,920 He wanted people to look up at him for his prestige, 432 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,500 the money that he had in the bank, 433 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:17,760 so it could suppress all the negative feelings. 434 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:23,390 And he achieved what he wanted to. He had money. He had status. 435 00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:26,140 He had everything. 436 00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:31,270 But then paid dearly for it. 437 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,400 He may be remorseful, but he also may think, "Well, I did have it once." 438 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,960 Scarlet! McKinley! 439 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,880 Russell! Taylor! Pruitt! 440 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,670 What? 441 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,880 Wake up. 442 00:37:00,970 --> 00:37:03,970 - You can't wear that. - Why? 443 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:08,850 It's church, Pruitt. It's church, the Lord's house. Come on. 444 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,360 I knew the odds of winning the appeal were very, very slim. 445 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,440 I was just sentenced to probation. So I remember thinking, 446 00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:22,320 "What's the point?" 447 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:28,330 But I wanted to appeal because I needed justice to be served. 448 00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:35,000 Okay. We're ready? Let's roll. Load up. 449 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,550 We wanna head this direction. 450 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:45,510 When I was convicted, Mark Devereaux knew the evidence was overwhelming, 451 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,140 that I was not involved in a conspiracy. 452 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:53,850 Mr. Chandler certainly didn't have clean hands. 453 00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:57,980 He was willing to take money from 454 00:37:58,070 --> 00:38:00,650 a lady that should possibly get 455 00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:04,110 50% of whatever the money is through a divorce. 456 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,120 He was lying to McDonald's, willing to do that, too. 457 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040 There was no wife, that was a phantom story, because the appeal that we wrote 458 00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:19,550 disagreed, and said that type of approach is standing criminal law. 459 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,970 But the percentage of criminal convictions to get reversed 460 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:26,220 by the 11th Circuit is down around two percent. 461 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:30,930 So we felt we were right. But being right doesn't always mean that you win. 462 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:39,190 The court of appeals agreed with us. We won the appeal in 2004. 463 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,190 The world was now making sense again. 464 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,740 Yeah, I was eventually acquitted. 465 00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:50,240 The problem was I still lost a lot of people's trust. 466 00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:55,790 And that hurts. And there's real damage there, 467 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,920 real and lasting, and permanent damage. 468 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:12,220 For a long time, I was angry with Dwight. And I felt violated. 469 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:18,440 Dwight was my friend. I trusted him, and I looked up to him. 470 00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:24,780 - Hey, George. - Hey, Dwight. How are you? 471 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:30,700 - How's the family? - Doing all good. 472 00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:34,200 I told Dwight, "I forgive you. 473 00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:38,580 I'm not angry with you anymore." 474 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,510 I would never want anybody to go through the pain and hell 475 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:49,350 with the people that have been involved because of my behavior 476 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,680 have had to go through. 477 00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:55,680 You pay for some bad choices. And the sad part is 478 00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:01,310 everybody around you pays for your bad choices. 479 00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:16,080 We all make mistakes. 480 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,750 He shouldn't be faulted for the rest of his life. 481 00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:26,840 It's hard to move on sometimes. 482 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:30,760 You can never quite get back to normal, 483 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:38,060 but you can forgive, and you can extend grace to people. 484 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,610 I just wanted to do better in life, 485 00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:48,400 and didn't think of all the repercussions that was involved. 486 00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:54,030 I did a crooked deed, and I've been knocked down. 487 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,910 Just get up and keep moving. And that's what I did. 488 00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:05,960 Probation officer told me before, as far as Robin was concerned, 489 00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:08,970 no contact at all. 490 00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:12,220 Told her that I'm not gonna 491 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,470 associate myself with her, and I don't need no more trouble. 492 00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,690 Just recently... 493 00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:24,610 I saw her for the first time since all of this happened. 494 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,900 - Hi. Hey, hey. My friend. - What's up, girl? 495 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:31,990 First thing I'm gonna get you is a wireless doorbell. 496 00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:36,910 Night and day, I don't know if we would be friends for some reason. 497 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,250 And she's a good person. She really is. 498 00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:43,290 - You want a cup of coffee? - Half a cup. 499 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,550 Once we all got indicted, I was the asshole. 500 00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:57,350 I was an outcast because I got them involved. 501 00:41:59,270 --> 00:42:02,140 You start all over. 502 00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:05,310 I started over umpteen times. 503 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:18,740 He never got any money. Nothing. And then, he lost his career. 504 00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:21,540 I lost him as a friend. 505 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:26,290 It's one of the regrets that I have. I made a lot of regrets in my life, 506 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:30,550 but Michael was one of my big regrets. 507 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,850 I was put at risk. 508 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:43,850 I was put at risk of maybe never seeing grandkids, kids, wife, going to jail. 509 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,690 I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb thing. 510 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:54,990 And when I thought it was over, it was over. I never... 511 00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:58,490 And that hurt. That hurt. 512 00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:00,160 We haven't spoken since. 513 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,540 - You cut off communication with Jerry? - We have not spoken since. 514 00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:11,630 Did I do stupid things? Yeah. Do I regret it? Of course. 515 00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:13,590 The only thing is though, I met you, 516 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:17,430 that was a real benefit out of the whole thing, of the whole thing. 517 00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:21,310 I did it. I could've got a real dick as a prosecutor. 518 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:26,310 I end up making a personal friend. So there's always a benefit in life. 519 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:30,690 I think one of the funniest was when you invited my wife and I 520 00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:32,900 to your 60th birthday. 521 00:43:32,980 --> 00:43:36,490 And then when you said, "Well, this is the guy that prosecuted me." 522 00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:40,200 Everybody's like, they didn't know what to say. 523 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:48,370 You learn to live with everything. 524 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:52,250 I've learned to live with cancer, so. 525 00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:57,380 Your life changes. Your priorities change. 526 00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:05,770 I was excommunicated from the church. And still am. 527 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:08,100 I hope to change that someday. 528 00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:14,150 Because I have a lot to still contribute. Yeah. 529 00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:21,320 They always say you gotta fall before you can rise. 530 00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:25,910 And I seen my dad grow so much stronger over time because of 531 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,580 the adversity he had faced. 532 00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:35,800 I know McDonald's was victimized. But they didn't lose anything here. 533 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,720 Who you gonna say, their sales dipped? That's a loser. 534 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,930 But it's all the people that participated in this contest, 535 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,640 and thought that it was legitimate. 536 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:51,850 And then, the byproduct victims, Simon Marketing was one. 537 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:57,150 Ditler Brothers. Some of these people, they lost their job in a day. 538 00:44:59,110 --> 00:45:01,280 I'm gonna go onto the next case. 539 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,700 But the people that depend on that job, they're gone. 540 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,370 All because of 541 00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:13,790 one man's greed, Jerry Jacobson. He's by himself on that. 542 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:20,470 If somebody said to me that what he did was a victimless crime, 543 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,060 I would tell them they've lost their mind. How can you say that? 544 00:45:27,010 --> 00:45:31,480 You wrecked so many people's lives. 545 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,190 If he said that, 546 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:37,110 honestly, it would just be... 547 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,820 It would just be an excuse. 548 00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:55,880 Yeah, he definitely wants to put it in his past. 549 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,710 And when's the last time you guys spoke? 550 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,260 Probably about a month ago. 551 00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:08,470 Now he doesn't wanna think about it, don't wanna talk about it. Nothing. 552 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,270 So when I tease him, I said, "You got any tickets?" 553 00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:16,900 He didn't even respond. 554 00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:21,150 He violated the law, he went to jail, he's got 12 million in restitution. 555 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,950 He's testified. He's been on the news. This case keeps now 18 years later, 556 00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:30,910 getting attention, and all they wanna do is live their life. 557 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,660 He wants to live his remaining life in peace, 558 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:38,790 without having to answer for this to everybody around him again. 559 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,880 I think he got off pretty easily. 560 00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:43,760 You talked about he got a slap on the wrist. 561 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,260 Because he still has his life. He still has his nice house. He still has cars. 562 00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:52,850 Plus, they find the money that he's kept buried probably someplace. 563 00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:56,100 - Do you think so? - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 564 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:59,980 Contingency plan. Come on. It's him. 565 00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:04,190 I would have money buried someplace. Come on. 566 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,790 The truth of the matter is the vast majority of these winners, 567 00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:14,540 they're good people. They just said something stupid, 568 00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:18,250 and there's not anybody that doesn't do something stupid. 569 00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:23,130 Many didn't recognize the severity of it. 570 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,720 And probably had no idea that they were committing a federal crime. 571 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,020 "It's so easy, this is all you have to do. You're not hurting anybody." 572 00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:41,690 They just wanted some free easy money. 573 00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:45,280 To do something that we all know is wrong. 574 00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:57,210 The McDonald's case was what we call a career case. 575 00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:58,920 Not all agents get a career case. 576 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,920 You're doing something that it seems like they will make a movie about it. 577 00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:10,970 I'm really happy that everything ended how it did. 578 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:14,060 That we were able to put the game back. 579 00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:17,600 It's still today at McDonald's in a very fun game. 580 00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:23,070 Much more secure, and we just wanna make sure that justice was served. 581 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:25,320 And I do feel that it was. 582 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,780 John Ashcroft, who was the attorney-general, 583 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:31,910 thanked me for the service to the country. 584 00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:34,950 And that was a really proud moment. 585 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,660 I have no letters from Doug. 586 00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:49,470 When you look back now, which I don't really do much... 587 00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:51,800 For whatever reasons, you're just like, 588 00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:57,470 "This minefield of shit that we went around. And somehow, we were golden." 589 00:48:59,390 --> 00:49:04,270 I could've looked at that sticky note and said, "Whatever. What is that?" 590 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,490 But without the informant on this case, never would've happened. 591 00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:09,990 It started right there. 592 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,950 So, you said that you had called the IRS. 593 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,420 But at no point did you ever call the FBI directly, did you? 594 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,880 No. And why would I call the FBI? 595 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,800 I have no idea that that was even gonna be a factor. 596 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,720 I never heard from anyone again. IRS, detectives, FBI, McDonald's, 597 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,560 Jerry, nobody. It was like, I never even was involved. 598 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,890 Can you imagine the IRS giving something to the FBI 599 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:46,480 that turns out to be a case, that we didn't already know about? 600 00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:48,610 Holy shit, I hope we're better than that. 601 00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:51,490 My understanding was, it was a complaint duty call. 602 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:55,490 Some disgruntled nonparticipant, but bystander, 603 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:58,830 sat and burned the whole house down, and called the FBI. 604 00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:01,290 I'll tell you this, this is how you know. 605 00:50:01,370 --> 00:50:05,210 If the IRS had even, even tidily, 606 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:08,750 just a minute scratched the surface of this case, 607 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,180 would've been a joint takedown, they would've been right there beside us, 608 00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:17,260 so go back and look. It's Ashcroft, and there's no IRS there. 609 00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:20,720 So I'll promise you that did not happen that way. 610 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:23,140 Can you tell us who the informant is? 611 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:25,100 Yeah, no, not in a million years. 612 00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:28,520 So good try. No sale. 613 00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:38,490 I don't think anybody thought that it was gonna get as big as it did. 614 00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:44,040 And it got really big, and it got really big really fast. 615 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,590 But I told them if it ever goes south, I don't wanna be caught up in this. 616 00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:54,880 Had I taken that McDonald's ticket and cashed it in, 617 00:50:55,050 --> 00:50:58,930 I honestly, in my heart, believe she still would have called the FBI, 618 00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:01,010 and I would be in prison right now. 619 00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:04,430 - Hello. - Hello, Francesco. 620 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:10,860 - The informant was, who? - The informant was Frank's mother. 621 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,450 After Jerry passed, and I seen all the nonsense going on, 622 00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:20,950 and all the manipulation, and people backstabbing each other. 623 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,330 There was a lot of things back then that happened. 624 00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:28,290 At that point, Frank's mother had custody of Francesco. 625 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,420 But it became more and more evident that when Robin got out of prison, 626 00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:35,840 Robin was going to have her son. 627 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,050 And that didn't go over well with Frank's mother. 628 00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:46,020 So because her son was dead, and because she blamed whoever, 629 00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:51,400 for whatever occurred to her son, she then turned into the vengeful mode. 630 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,780 I'm going to now take the one thing that Robin has away from her. 631 00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:58,950 And that's her son. 632 00:52:00,870 --> 00:52:03,870 So she called the FBI. 633 00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:06,250 She's the one that decided to break it. 634 00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:10,460 Her son's dead, there was no link back, she called the FBI. 635 00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:15,170 And rat everybody out. That was the way it had to be. 636 00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:18,470 Laugh. Laugh. 637 00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:29,890 I went from living with my mom and I've lived with my mom's parents. 638 00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:33,020 I've lived with my dad's parents. 639 00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:37,440 That's the biggest struggle of my life, being torn between the two families. 640 00:52:37,610 --> 00:52:42,530 I felt like a pawn because a lot of it was pointing fingers at that point. 641 00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:46,240 It was a battle of them back and forth, and I was caught in the middle of it. 642 00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:53,250 Hey. Birthday girl! 643 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,170 At this point in life, 644 00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:58,800 I wanna avoid conflict. I had so much of it in my childhood. 645 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,510 I don't wanna hear any negativity from anybody anymore. 646 00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:05,810 My mom and my grandma, 647 00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:10,060 surprisingly now, they have a pretty good relationship. 648 00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,110 In the long run, I ended up being their favorite daughter-in-law... 649 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:17,320 I don't know if it's because I stood up to them. 650 00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:22,430 - A big change from all those years. - Yeah. 651 00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:29,500 She tells me everything, and she wants me to be the one, if papa goes first, 652 00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:34,960 to be the one she takes care of her. And I would be. 653 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,010 No matter what, I would be there for them. They know that. 654 00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:42,760 That's who I am. 655 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,770 She only gave them information on Robin, 656 00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:02,150 Robin's father, and Gloria. 657 00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:09,040 If she could get rid of Robin, maybe not death, but disappear, 658 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,500 then there was no one to take care of Francesco. 659 00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:16,670 But then there still remained Robin's parents, whom could have raised. 660 00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:20,920 So, they all had to go, to be able to have Francesco. 661 00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:25,800 And she was gaining her grandson. That was the reward. 662 00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,060 The reward was her grandson. 663 00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:34,890 My mother didn't realize that the FBI was gonna go after Jerome 664 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,980 and wiretap his house, and so forth and so on. 665 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:41,280 And then make another Monopoly game, and started connecting the dots. 666 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,280 Then, the Texas and then Rhode Island, 667 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,200 then he did all these other tickets for a couple of years. 668 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,290 So, this story has got revenge, it's got everything all wrapped up into one. 669 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:53,050 Now you guys are the only people outside of us that knew that one. 670 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,000 - We have not told anyone. - Anyone. No one on this planet. 671 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,420 We just figured it was time to tell the truth. 672 00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:05,300 - That's my youngest. - That's Vinny. 673 00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:06,680 Hey, bud. 674 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,720 My son just came home from work. 675 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,890 This is Vintonio. And he just happens to work for McDonald's now. 676 00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:15,020 Holy shit. 677 00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:18,810 So McDonald's has treated the family very well. 678 00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:27,860 Jerry Jacobson was released from prison in 2006. 679 00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:34,620 He currently lives with his 7th wife, Linda, near Atlanta, Georgia. 680 00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:42,130 He stole more than $24 million in cash and prizes over a 12-year period. 681 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,380 He still pays $370 per month in restitution. 682 00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:52,600 In response to the scandal, 683 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,900 McDonald's gave away $25 million in prizes to randomly selected customers. 58570

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