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I'm just gonna tell you
the whole story.
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So I had the $50,000 debt
because of the taxes.
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I was screwed.
Jerry's dead, I'm left holding the bag.
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And I don't have 50,000 for the IRS.
I'm not going down like that.
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I was just thinking, "Okay, I gotta do
something here. I gotta do something."
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I called the IRS and I said,
"Listen,
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I know you know I owe 50,000,
but I have a story for you."
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So I told the IRS
the whole story verbatim.
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Now it might have been a year later,
my accountant, we were talking,
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and he said, "You're the reason why all
this went down." I said, "What?"
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He said, "Yeah." Because they reported
it to the FBI or whomever,
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and it just busted wide open
after that. But I had no idea,
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all I was trying to do is
get myself out a $50,000 debt.
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And the next thing I knew,
everybody is being investigated.
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I was kind of scared coming out
with this.
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I didn't want anything to happen to me
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because I've come a long way,
I don't wanna ever go back.
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And so
I was hesitant about this whole mess,
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because when you're quiet for so long
about things that took a turn
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and you didn't know why it took a turn,
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then you found out that you're
the reason that it made the turn,
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I don't know what,
it just made me be more quiet.
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But does that make you the informant?
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It does, but I don't like that
adjective. I don't like that because
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in my mind,
I never even knew that I was the one.
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MCMILLIONS
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He was not at his Lawrenceville home
today,
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the man neighbors here have jokingly
nicknamed...
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We called him the Hamburglar.
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The FBI says 58-year-old Jerome
Jacobson was the ringleader who kept...
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There was a lot of publicity
on this case at the time.
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There was
an enormous amount of publicity.
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The press was all around the house,
on the streets.
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I get phone calls continuously, all
hours of the night, they would call.
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Jacobson provided the winning game
pieces to his friends and associates
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who acted as recruiters.
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We were totally exhausted.
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It just took so much energy
to get out in the public.
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The FBI believes those recruiters
passed on the tickets to relatives.
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So we had this big buildup of the case
in anticipation of the trial.
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Eight people who worked for the
company that runs McDonald's games
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like Monopoly
and Who Wants To Be A Millionaire...
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... the hugely popular Monopoly game...
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... people who run
the McDonald's Monopoly game.
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If you're just tuning in,
breaking news here on 1010 WINS.
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A plane has crashed
into the World Trade Center.
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This happening
just a matter of minutes ago.
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U.S. attacked
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After 9/11 everything changed.
So this McDonald's story just vanished.
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It did very quickly get eclipsed.
"All right, we're under attack,"
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and you kind of snap out of it.
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The world changed.
And what went
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from being a case that
the entire office and others
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were feverishly working on kind of went
back to primarily just Doug and Rick.
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Many, many of us were immediately
changed.
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You are now a terrorism agent
and working all day, all night on that.
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We didn't put any local stories
on the front page for four months.
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So if we had updates,
they were going back of the paper.
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So it vanished here and then vanished
off the front pages everywhere.
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After 9/11
the McDonald's was a memory.
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Everybody forgot about it,
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except the FBI and the Justice
Department. They proceeded.
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The trial was here in Jacksonville,
here in this building.
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It lasted three weeks,
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and it was almost like a couple trials
within a trial because
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once we have the overall scheme,
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then had to place evidence
just upon each of the defendants.
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You have those grand hopes of being
a million-dollar winner.
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Devereaux says Jacobson pocketed
those pieces,
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and in exchange for a cut of the prize,
gave them to friends and relatives.
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Mark is at that stage coming on
very strong,
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with lots of threats
about the consequence to our client,
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and the terrible situation
our client was in,
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and how much time it was gonna get.
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Generally,
we don't respond favorably to threats.
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It was pretty clear that Mark Devereaux
was coming full force.
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I always love wiretaps because
you just bring in the little recorder
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and you push play.
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And there's this client,
not only is he making a confession
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you are listening live to your client
committing the crime.
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Mark was like the bulldog that
bit the tire of the truck
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and couldn't let go,
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and ultimately I sent Janice on him.
And she eventually brought him around.
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Ultimately, it's all up to
how you will define victory.
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And in this case, it wasn't trial,
but it was
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working through
what was best for him plea-wise.
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We ended up working out something that
was definitely waivable
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and favorable for our client from a
very difficult position to start with.
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Right.
We didn't have much of a defense.
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According to federal investigators,
Jacobson has pleaded guilty
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to taking those pieces and giving them
to friends and family to redeem.
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Once we made our deal
and Jerry pled guilty
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then he became kind of the instrument
of the prosecution.
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Because Jerry began cooperating,
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the prosecutor did agree to do have
motion to the court for reduction
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based on substantial assistance.
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But you are totally
at their discretion.
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They could suck you dry for information
and then not help you.
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We had eight original individuals
who are indicted,
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which turned into fifty-three people.
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And out of the fifty-three
that were there,
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everybody pled but seven people
decided to go to trial.
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They didn't plead because they didn't
like Devereaux's aftershave.
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It's because we had them.
That's why.
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They got me on one count of mail fraud,
and I pled to the one count
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because... I did it. I did it.
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These people that I gave tickets to
did not know I lied to them.
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So they really... they got screwed.
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But once you plead guilty,
it's too late.
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But that's the mentality of people who
never been in trouble.
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You get so scared, it's like you're
gonna lose everything you have,
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you're gonna go to jail and somebody's
gonna be screwing your wife,
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and your kids, they're not gonna know
you anymore, and guys get scared.
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So that's why they plead guilty,
to get it over with.
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My plan at the time was to enter a plea
of not guilty. So that's what I did.
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If you have little knowledge of
a conspiracy or a crime,
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you can't be guilty.
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Seven went to trial,
two following my opening statement
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ended up changing their pleas
from not guilty to guilty
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because they didn't realize
the evidence was more than compelling.
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The light at the end of the tunnel
was a train coming at them,
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and they wanted to get out of the way,
so they pled guilty.
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Certainly, it was a crime
when Jacobson stole that game piece.
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But then you had the fraudster,
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and the fraudster is the one
turning in that game piece
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and saying that he or she won it
according to these rules.
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Part of the government's theory was
that McDonald's have been defrauded
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by folks like George Chandler because
they had violated the game rules.
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Game rules in a federal court of law,
the federal statutes apply, mail fraud.
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I have never tried a case where
the law
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is the game rules
of a hamburger company.
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You literally have a federal prosecutor
suggesting that
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if you broke the McDonald's game rules,
you must be a criminal.
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There were those that would really
question,
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"Why are you even prosecuting it?
It was just a game."
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There's a difference between a law
and rules of a game.
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But even if an individual was tricked,
and their friend was telling them,
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"Why don't you do this?
You act like you're the winner."
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Well, you committed fraud
because you deceived,
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you tricked Ronald McDonald
into letting go of money.
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What gave the federal government
the ability to prosecute this
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was that
they used the United States mail.
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If you have a scheme to trick somebody
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out of property or money,
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and you use our United States mail,
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that's a crime.
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The government dug its heels in on that
and took the position that
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if someone found that game piece
on the street and cashed it in,
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they'd be committing a federal crime.
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But the McDonald's witnesses
called by the government
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admitted that there's nothing that
prohibits a transfer of a ticket.
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So St. Jude could get a ticket
given to them as a gift,
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George Chandler can get the ticket by
buying it or having it handed to him.
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All of that was perfectly lawful.
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Now, of course, the defense made a big
deal of St. Jude saying, "See?
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McDonald's didn't even follow the
rules, didn't follow their own rules."
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They did follow the rules.
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McDonald's gave St. Jude's Hospital
a million-dollar donation
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as a gesture of goodwill and fairness.
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I don't think the average person
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would think if they got a game piece
from somebody else,
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but most in these circumstance
that they were doing anything wrong,
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even though they would tell him a lie,
it wasn't a crime.
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They didn't know though that the piece
was stolen.
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It's like the difference of buying
a car that's stolen
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versus, "Oh, look, I got a really good
deal," and had they known,
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I would suspect many of them, if not,
all of them, wouldn't have bought it.
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I was a witness for the US government
for Mark Devereaux.
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I remember a question that Devereaux
asked me,
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he said, "When did you find out
the game pieces were stolen?"
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I said,
"You told me they weren't stolen."
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If he could have come up and punched
me at that time, he probably would have.
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But he stepped right into it,
because it was the truth.
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Jerry had never told anyone.
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No one in the whole process knew that
he was stealing the game pieces.
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People said, "Well, how?
You got to be kidding me." No.
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I knew Jerry has done something wrong.
He said, "I want the game pieces."
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But the reality is,
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He had right to place them wherever he
wanted. He was taking money for them.
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There's only one witness that could say
what George Chandler knew
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and that was his foster brother,
Mr. Dwight Baker.
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And he told the jury in substance that,
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"I heard George Chandler and Dwight
Baker made it clear to the jury
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that George was not a member
of the conspiracy." He said that,
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sworn testimony.
The FBI did a wiretap for two months.
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Hundreds and hundreds of phone calls
and not one word about George Chandler
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had in any complicity and knowledge of
tickets being stolen or embezzled.
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The judge agreed with us,
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and he announced that he
was gonna add a jury instruction that
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the juries could not convict unless
Chandler knew the ticket was stolen
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or unlawfully obtained.
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We knew then we should win the case.
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Today, the Lawrenceville man who
admitted fixing the McDonald's Monopoly
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a few years ago
testifies in federal court.
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Jerome Jacobson
took the winning tickets
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while working as head of security
for the company that ran the game.
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The obvious question
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and one of the things that was
important for us to present to the jury
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was how in the world could he,
Jerome Jacobson,
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steal winning pieces from the fortress
that was Simon Marketing and Dittler
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while he was being accompanied by
a lady from an accounting firm?
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How did he do it?
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When I put a witness on the stand,
especially like Mr. Jacobson,
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I tried to do the defenses job before
I let the defense do it telling them,
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"Mr. Jacobson, you're a thief."
And make him admit that.
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I don't want the jury to think
I'm some friend to his
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because I'm not a friend
of Mr. Jacobson.
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Just tell the truth, what'd you do?
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The way this would work is that
the airports were big hub for him.
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It's how he got around.
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And he would utilize
the frequent flyer lounges,
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the crown rooms.
He would frequent those a lot.
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Hilda Bennett was accompanying
Jerry Jacobson,
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but she is not walking in to the men's
bathroom facility with him.
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Hilda was supposed to be with him
at all times.
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She was never ever
under any circumstances
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to give the briefcase full of winning
tickets to Jerry and Jerry alone.
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The briefcase had combinations on it.
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Jerry had his combination.
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Hilda had hers.
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And somehow
he found out her combination.
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He had to look over his shoulder,
like he did at the vault
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and get the combination.
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He said he went into a stall
where he had privacy
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and he just opened up the briefcase.
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The game pieces were in an envelope
that was sealed with a sticker
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that if you remove the sticker,
it would show that it was removed.
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This is before 9/11.
He'd take a little pen knife,
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open it up,
take those game pieces.
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He knows one of them is a winning
million-dollar game piece.
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He brought commons with him
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so that they would have the right
amount of pieces on it
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because on the outside of the envelope,
it would say 37 pieces.
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So he couldn't take the winners out,
it wouldn't be 37 anymore
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so he had to bring some to replace it.
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For some reason, no idea why
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he got sent the stickers
that went on the envelopes.
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He got a sheet of them
sent to him by mistake.
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You know, he showed me the envelope,
had that little seal hologram on it.
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He said, "Nobody can get them from me
because this is sealed
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and it's got special mark on it
if anybody tries to get into it."
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So he would close the envelope and put
on a new sticker and nobody knew.
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But had he not gotten the stickers,
he never could have done this.
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Nobody suspected that
and that's how he did it.
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After he stole all the game pieces
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he would end up going to these
factories and making a big plague.
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"Ladies and gentleman, please see,
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here is the seed pack which contains
one of the winning game pieces.
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Please everyone, look at it to ensure
that it has not been tampered with.
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Look, I take my job so serious,
I even wear a bulletproof vest."
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And everybody is thinking, "Wow, this
guy is going rarely overboard."
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But it was all a show.
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The biggest break in the chain to me
was the security auditor, Hilda.
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But I can't totally blame her
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because I've seen a lot of people
not stand up to Jerry
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that lame take a little pass rather
than go in for a confrontation.
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Our first thought was the two of them
had to be in cahoots.
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How else could it work? I wanna get
two really good interviewers down here
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because I wanna know once and for all,
is she involved, is she not involved.
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So we interviewed Hilda Bennett
and the other people from the CPA firm.
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They weren't involved.
We had no money, trading hands,
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nothing to show that they were
a part of this game.
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How could you not be involved?
But she turned out to be an honest lady
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and just got had by Jerry like he did
everybody else.
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I think he told me at some point,
he goes,
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"Yeah, these CPA firms that
we're hiring to follow me
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legitimize this process,
a bunch of idiots."
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As he coined this, "I'm stupid,
but I was smarter than those guys."
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We're near the end of merely six hours
of closing arguments
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in which defense attorneys have tried
to convince the jury
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that their clients are victims, too.
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They said they will play just like
everyone else in this scam.
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George Chandler's lawyer insists
his client thought
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he was helping his foster father
hide assets during a sticky divorce.
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This case goes to the jury next,
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and what they have to decide is whether
they have any reasonable doubt
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any of these guys intended to be part
of a scam.
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Until trial, Jerry had never told
anyone he had went into the bathroom
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and changed out the game pieces and was
stealing them. He never told anybody.
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In order for it to be a crime, you have
to acknowledge that it's stolen.
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No one knew.
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When the jury gave their verdict
to the judge,
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there was kind of a respectful
but pregnant silence.
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And then the judge said, "Guilty."
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It confirmed my worst fear.
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And that was hard. It was difficult.
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When you put 12 people together
in that box, it's something magical.
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And I'm not saying
anybody is a lie detector,
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but most of us can after a while go...
that just doesn't pass the smell test.
290
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We're very pleased with the verdict.
291
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I think that shows that there's no easy
way to make money but to work hard.
292
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And I think it shows that fraud is not
a game and fraud is just thievery.
293
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Thanks a lot.
294
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George never wavered nor did I
in our belief in his innocence
295
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and we went right to work
to put together
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a comprehensive motion
for judgment of acquittal.
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We knew we would fail,
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but that doesn't change the fact that
you've been found guilty.
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I remember coming home and talking to
Russell about the verdict.
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I remember Russell asking me
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if I was gonna have to go to jail.
302
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:49,280
And I didn't know how to answer him.
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I didn't think he was serious.
I was like, "You're not serious."
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All you think about at 10 years old
is going behind bars.
305
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,380
You see all these bars on TV
and that's jail to you.
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00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,550
I was definitely afraid for him.
Am I gonna get to see my dad anymore?
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Am I gonna get to see him for the next
10 years? Is he going away for life?
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00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:16,640
It's heart-wrenching for sure
because you wanna say,
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00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,390
"Daddy, when am I gonna see you?
What do you have to do?" You don't know.
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And he loved up to me
and I took him under my arm,
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told him it's gonna be all right.
We'll make it through.
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And...
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I told him not to worry.
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That...
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That the truth will eventually
win the battle.
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00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:58,930
Robin Colombo took part in a nationwide
scheme to steal the game winnings.
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Maximum penalty of a single count of
mail fraud is five years in prison
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and a $250,000 fine
along with restitution.
319
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,190
- And what did you get sentenced to?
- Eighteen months.
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Because of my past records they were
throwing out all kind of numbers,
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00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:18,830
10 years, and when we went for
sentencing, the judge said,
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"That was so long ago.
We'll forget about that."
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00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:25,000
He gave me the year and a day.
324
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,510
The judge gave me six months of ankle
brace and then 12-months' probation.
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00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:38,510
I wore an ankle bracelet, yes, sir,
for two years.
326
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Two years house arrest and probation.
327
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:48,060
When I was in the courtroom that day,
I was thinking to myself,
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00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:52,610
"I'm gonna be going to jail and I got
to make plans for my son
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00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:56,530
to figure out who gonna be
the best person for him to stay with."
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He said, "We're not gonna lock you up."
331
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:04,540
And I said,
"Well, that's a good thing."
332
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My full sentencing was
I had to pay restitution.
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My house still has a lean on it
334
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,340
but it was a sigh relief that
I'll be able to be home with my child.
335
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:24,640
White-collar crimes notoriously
do not get high sentences.
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If they haven't committed
another crime, they have no priors,
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00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:31,690
and they cooperate, they may only get
two years imprisonment.
338
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:39,490
Jerry Jacobson got the most severe
sentence to approximately three years.
339
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He pled guilty,
received a 37-month sentence, I think.
340
00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:48,830
And I would consider that a victory.
341
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,170
He should have got more.
342
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:54,090
It's just done square up to me, but
again, like I said, I'm just an agent.
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00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:58,300
Most agents probably believe that.
So we're glad we don't wear the robe.
344
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Thirty-seven months in prison,
345
00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:04,720
particularly with somebody who has MS
is not exactly an easy sentence either.
346
00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:07,180
A night is a long time in prison.
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00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,650
The sympathetic heart of
a criminal defense lawyer.
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00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:19,280
As part of Jerry's sentence
he was ordered to pay I think
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somewhere in the neighborhood of
12 million in restitution
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00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:25,200
and I believe forfeiture as well.
351
00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:28,250
It was more than he could pay.
352
00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:34,050
And so at a certain point,
it becomes irrelevant.
353
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:41,720
So when I went to jail and meet with
the unit manager, and he says,
354
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,760
"You owe three and a half
million dollars."
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00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:48,180
I said, "Yeah."
He said, "Do you have it?"
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00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:52,150
I said, "Yeah. It's in my locker.
I brought it in with me.
357
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:55,570
Maybe if you come and help me,
we could carry it in here."
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To this day, I pay a hundred and sixty
dollars a month.
359
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,450
If you had to do it again
would you do it again?
360
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:10,080
Tomorrow.
361
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,920
Tomorrow.
362
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:41,450
These heels!
363
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:48,160
I've had a crazy journey really
after Jerry, my husband, died.
364
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:52,580
I was a shell of a woman.
It was horrible.
365
00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:55,840
I couldn't eat.
I couldn't do nothing.
366
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:06,930
So, I didn't wanna be here no more.
367
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:10,810
So, I...
368
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:14,230
took a lot of pills.
369
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,690
I told Jerry, "I'll see you soon."
370
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:25,530
That should have killed me.
That didn't.
371
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,840
Long story short, I got in the nut hut.
I'm here.
372
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,930
Jerry had a lot of faults. I know
he cheated on me. I know he lied.
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00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:57,520
But he was also my mediator,
my middleman that kept me from
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00:30:57,690 --> 00:31:02,440
the family, from people, hurting me.
375
00:31:06,570 --> 00:31:08,990
He always took my side.
376
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:12,160
I can't find my...
Where's my lighter?
377
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:22,300
The Colombos, I know they blame me.
How could you not? I'm the driver.
378
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,380
I would.
379
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:29,430
You blame everybody. You blame God.
You, blame...
380
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:33,100
It felt...
381
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,060
When my mother went to prison,
after Jerry died,
382
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:41,270
it ended up becoming
383
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,360
a big war between
my family and the Colombos.
384
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:54,580
They ended up keeping my brother,
who's three years old at the time.
385
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,750
Hi, camera.
Hi, camera.
386
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,830
I would call them all the time,
trying to get him.
387
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,840
They would never let me see him.
388
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:16,680
I was in prison, counting the days
until I'm gonna see my damn son.
389
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:20,730
And Monopoly put me back in prison.
390
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:27,780
I lost my son, my husband,
losing my freedom again.
391
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:32,530
I don't know what else I'm gonna do.
392
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:48,340
He never once apologized ever
for doing it, first of all.
393
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:51,930
I don't think he's regretting
anything he did.
394
00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:55,890
He pulled off a twenty-million dollar
McDonald's scam.
395
00:32:55,970 --> 00:33:00,350
He's famous almost, you know.
You're doing a movie about him.
396
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:09,110
Talking about the consequence,
I remember his remorsefulness and grief
397
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:13,320
when he realized that other people
were being charged.
398
00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:15,830
He didn't imagine that could happen.
399
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:26,300
We did not realize what it was going to
do at the time that Jerry was caught.
400
00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:29,670
So our paper were all vilified,
we did nothing wrong.
401
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,140
- We're doing our job.
- We're doing what we're supposed to.
402
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,390
After they announced to close the plant
to everybody, we had no choice.
403
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,980
You didn't get a severance or anything,
you were just terminated basically.
404
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:50,570
You would be amazed if the reaction
and the emotion you saw
405
00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:54,620
in a lot of the people,
some of them just about crying.
406
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,750
So, we all lost our jobs because
this place disappeared.
407
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,460
There is no Dittler Brothers.
408
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:08,670
And it just all came crashing to an end
because of one person.
409
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:11,590
It hurt a lot of people.
410
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:15,390
I would hope he feels bad,
just because we built friendships.
411
00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:18,720
I remember the joke around. They
wished he would come back up here,
412
00:34:18,810 --> 00:34:22,180
and sent in the lobby, and just wait
everybody as they walk by, slap him.
413
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:24,940
I think he would need protection
if he came back up to the plant.
414
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:28,610
Because what he done over 10 years...
415
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,110
He has never once mentioned
416
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:43,000
all the chaos and destruction
that he caused with his little project.
417
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,420
And he didn't even seem to think
about it.
418
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,590
He has a variety of thoughts about
why he did it.
419
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:57,300
But, basically, he said it was
utter stupidity on his part.
420
00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:07,600
Jerry and I were married
from 1973 until '76.
421
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:13,030
Let's put it this way.
It went from worse to unbearable.
422
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,990
When the child was brought up a certain
way, they wind up a certain way.
423
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,870
He never felt worthy of much.
He was raised without money,
424
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,290
and he felt like he'd played
second fiddle to Marvin
425
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:36,260
because Marvin was getting
the financial support.
426
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,390
We were friends, but
427
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:48,230
we're not brothers,
if that's a word you wanna say.
428
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:53,480
No. There were no fun stories.
There are no fun stories. No.
429
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:59,110
And sometimes in his life,
he decided
430
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,830
"I want
what all these other people have."
431
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,920
He wanted people to look up at him
for his prestige,
432
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,500
the money that he had in the bank,
433
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:17,760
so it could suppress
all the negative feelings.
434
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:23,390
And he achieved what he wanted to.
He had money. He had status.
435
00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:26,140
He had everything.
436
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:31,270
But then paid dearly for it.
437
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,400
He may be remorseful, but he also
may think, "Well, I did have it once."
438
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,960
Scarlet! McKinley!
439
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,880
Russell! Taylor! Pruitt!
440
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,670
What?
441
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,880
Wake up.
442
00:37:00,970 --> 00:37:03,970
- You can't wear that.
- Why?
443
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:08,850
It's church, Pruitt. It's church,
the Lord's house. Come on.
444
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,360
I knew the odds of winning the appeal
were very, very slim.
445
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,440
I was just sentenced to probation.
So I remember thinking,
446
00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:22,320
"What's the point?"
447
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:28,330
But I wanted to appeal because
I needed justice to be served.
448
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:35,000
Okay. We're ready?
Let's roll. Load up.
449
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,550
We wanna head this direction.
450
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:45,510
When I was convicted, Mark Devereaux
knew the evidence was overwhelming,
451
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,140
that I was not involved
in a conspiracy.
452
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:53,850
Mr. Chandler certainly didn't have
clean hands.
453
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:57,980
He was willing to take money from
454
00:37:58,070 --> 00:38:00,650
a lady that should possibly get
455
00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:04,110
50% of whatever the money
is through a divorce.
456
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,120
He was lying to McDonald's,
willing to do that, too.
457
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
There was no wife, that was a phantom
story, because the appeal that we wrote
458
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:19,550
disagreed, and said that type of
approach is standing criminal law.
459
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,970
But the percentage of criminal
convictions to get reversed
460
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:26,220
by the 11th Circuit
is down around two percent.
461
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:30,930
So we felt we were right. But being
right doesn't always mean that you win.
462
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:39,190
The court of appeals agreed with us.
We won the appeal in 2004.
463
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,190
The world was now making sense again.
464
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,740
Yeah, I was eventually acquitted.
465
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:50,240
The problem was I still
lost a lot of people's trust.
466
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:55,790
And that hurts.
And there's real damage there,
467
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,920
real and lasting, and permanent damage.
468
00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:12,220
For a long time, I was angry
with Dwight. And I felt violated.
469
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:18,440
Dwight was my friend. I trusted him,
and I looked up to him.
470
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:24,780
- Hey, George.
- Hey, Dwight. How are you?
471
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:30,700
- How's the family?
- Doing all good.
472
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:34,200
I told Dwight, "I forgive you.
473
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:38,580
I'm not angry with you anymore."
474
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,510
I would never want anybody to go
through the pain and hell
475
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:49,350
with the people that have been involved
because of my behavior
476
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,680
have had to go through.
477
00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:55,680
You pay for some bad choices.
And the sad part is
478
00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:01,310
everybody around you
pays for your bad choices.
479
00:40:13,450 --> 00:40:16,080
We all make mistakes.
480
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,750
He shouldn't be faulted
for the rest of his life.
481
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:26,840
It's hard to move on sometimes.
482
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:30,760
You can never quite get back to normal,
483
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:38,060
but you can forgive,
and you can extend grace to people.
484
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,610
I just wanted to do better in life,
485
00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:48,400
and didn't think of all the
repercussions that was involved.
486
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:54,030
I did a crooked deed,
and I've been knocked down.
487
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,910
Just get up and keep moving.
And that's what I did.
488
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:05,960
Probation officer told me before,
as far as Robin was concerned,
489
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:08,970
no contact at all.
490
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:12,220
Told her that I'm not gonna
491
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,470
associate myself with her,
and I don't need no more trouble.
492
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,690
Just recently...
493
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:24,610
I saw her for the first time
since all of this happened.
494
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,900
- Hi. Hey, hey. My friend.
- What's up, girl?
495
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:31,990
First thing I'm gonna get you
is a wireless doorbell.
496
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:36,910
Night and day, I don't know if we would
be friends for some reason.
497
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,250
And she's a good person. She really is.
498
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:43,290
- You want a cup of coffee?
- Half a cup.
499
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,550
Once we all got indicted,
I was the asshole.
500
00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:57,350
I was an outcast
because I got them involved.
501
00:41:59,270 --> 00:42:02,140
You start all over.
502
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:05,310
I started over umpteen times.
503
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:18,740
He never got any money. Nothing.
And then, he lost his career.
504
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:21,540
I lost him as a friend.
505
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:26,290
It's one of the regrets that I have.
I made a lot of regrets in my life,
506
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:30,550
but Michael was one of my big regrets.
507
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,850
I was put at risk.
508
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:43,850
I was put at risk of maybe never seeing
grandkids, kids, wife, going to jail.
509
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,690
I'm not a dumb person,
but I did a dumb thing.
510
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:54,990
And when I thought it was over,
it was over. I never...
511
00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:58,490
And that hurt. That hurt.
512
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:00,160
We haven't spoken since.
513
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,540
- You cut off communication with Jerry?
- We have not spoken since.
514
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:11,630
Did I do stupid things? Yeah.
Do I regret it? Of course.
515
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:13,590
The only thing is though, I met you,
516
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:17,430
that was a real benefit out of the
whole thing, of the whole thing.
517
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:21,310
I did it. I could've got a real dick
as a prosecutor.
518
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:26,310
I end up making a personal friend.
So there's always a benefit in life.
519
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:30,690
I think one of the funniest was
when you invited my wife and I
520
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:32,900
to your 60th birthday.
521
00:43:32,980 --> 00:43:36,490
And then when you said, "Well,
this is the guy that prosecuted me."
522
00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:40,200
Everybody's like,
they didn't know what to say.
523
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:48,370
You learn to live with everything.
524
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:52,250
I've learned to live with cancer, so.
525
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:57,380
Your life changes.
Your priorities change.
526
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:05,770
I was excommunicated from the church.
And still am.
527
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:08,100
I hope to change that someday.
528
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:14,150
Because I have a lot to still
contribute. Yeah.
529
00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:21,320
They always say you gotta fall
before you can rise.
530
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:25,910
And I seen my dad grow
so much stronger over time because of
531
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,580
the adversity he had faced.
532
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:35,800
I know McDonald's was victimized.
But they didn't lose anything here.
533
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,720
Who you gonna say, their sales dipped?
That's a loser.
534
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,930
But it's all the people that
participated in this contest,
535
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,640
and thought that it was legitimate.
536
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:51,850
And then, the byproduct victims,
Simon Marketing was one.
537
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:57,150
Ditler Brothers. Some of these people,
they lost their job in a day.
538
00:44:59,110 --> 00:45:01,280
I'm gonna go onto the next case.
539
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,700
But the people that depend on that job,
they're gone.
540
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,370
All because of
541
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:13,790
one man's greed, Jerry Jacobson.
He's by himself on that.
542
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:20,470
If somebody said to me that what he did
was a victimless crime,
543
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,060
I would tell them they've lost
their mind. How can you say that?
544
00:45:27,010 --> 00:45:31,480
You wrecked so many people's lives.
545
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,190
If he said that,
546
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:37,110
honestly, it would just be...
547
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,820
It would just be an excuse.
548
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:55,880
Yeah, he definitely wants to put it
in his past.
549
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,710
And when's the last time
you guys spoke?
550
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,260
Probably about a month ago.
551
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:08,470
Now he doesn't wanna think about it,
don't wanna talk about it. Nothing.
552
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,270
So when I tease him, I said,
"You got any tickets?"
553
00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:16,900
He didn't even respond.
554
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:21,150
He violated the law, he went to jail,
he's got 12 million in restitution.
555
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,950
He's testified. He's been on the news.
This case keeps now 18 years later,
556
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:30,910
getting attention, and all they wanna
do is live their life.
557
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,660
He wants to live his remaining life
in peace,
558
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:38,790
without having to answer for this
to everybody around him again.
559
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,880
I think he got off pretty easily.
560
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:43,760
You talked about he got a slap
on the wrist.
561
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,260
Because he still has his life. He still
has his nice house. He still has cars.
562
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:52,850
Plus, they find the money that
he's kept buried probably someplace.
563
00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:56,100
- Do you think so?
- Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
564
00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:59,980
Contingency plan.
Come on. It's him.
565
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:04,190
I would have money buried someplace.
Come on.
566
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,790
The truth of the matter is the vast
majority of these winners,
567
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:14,540
they're good people.
They just said something stupid,
568
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:18,250
and there's not anybody that doesn't do
something stupid.
569
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:23,130
Many didn't recognize
the severity of it.
570
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,720
And probably had no idea that they were
committing a federal crime.
571
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,020
"It's so easy, this is all you have
to do. You're not hurting anybody."
572
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:41,690
They just wanted some free easy money.
573
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:45,280
To do something
that we all know is wrong.
574
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:57,210
The McDonald's case was what we call
a career case.
575
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:58,920
Not all agents get a career case.
576
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,920
You're doing something that it seems
like they will make a movie about it.
577
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:10,970
I'm really happy that everything
ended how it did.
578
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:14,060
That we were able to put the game back.
579
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:17,600
It's still today at McDonald's
in a very fun game.
580
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:23,070
Much more secure, and we just wanna
make sure that justice was served.
581
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:25,320
And I do feel that it was.
582
00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,780
John Ashcroft,
who was the attorney-general,
583
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:31,910
thanked me for the service
to the country.
584
00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:34,950
And that was a really proud moment.
585
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,660
I have no letters from Doug.
586
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:49,470
When you look back now,
which I don't really do much...
587
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:51,800
For whatever reasons,
you're just like,
588
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:57,470
"This minefield of shit that we went
around. And somehow, we were golden."
589
00:48:59,390 --> 00:49:04,270
I could've looked at that sticky note
and said, "Whatever. What is that?"
590
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,490
But without the informant on this case,
never would've happened.
591
00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:09,990
It started right there.
592
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,950
So, you said that you had called
the IRS.
593
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,420
But at no point did you ever call
the FBI directly, did you?
594
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,880
No. And why would I call the FBI?
595
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,800
I have no idea that
that was even gonna be a factor.
596
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,720
I never heard from anyone again. IRS,
detectives, FBI, McDonald's,
597
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,560
Jerry, nobody. It was like,
I never even was involved.
598
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,890
Can you imagine the IRS
giving something to the FBI
599
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:46,480
that turns out to be a case,
that we didn't already know about?
600
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:48,610
Holy shit,
I hope we're better than that.
601
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:51,490
My understanding was,
it was a complaint duty call.
602
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:55,490
Some disgruntled nonparticipant,
but bystander,
603
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:58,830
sat and burned the whole house down,
and called the FBI.
604
00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:01,290
I'll tell you this,
this is how you know.
605
00:50:01,370 --> 00:50:05,210
If the IRS had even, even tidily,
606
00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:08,750
just a minute scratched the surface of
this case,
607
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,180
would've been a joint takedown, they
would've been right there beside us,
608
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:17,260
so go back and look. It's Ashcroft,
and there's no IRS there.
609
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:20,720
So I'll promise you
that did not happen that way.
610
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:23,140
Can you tell us who the informant is?
611
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:25,100
Yeah, no, not in a million years.
612
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:28,520
So good try. No sale.
613
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:38,490
I don't think anybody thought that
it was gonna get as big as it did.
614
00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:44,040
And it got really big,
and it got really big really fast.
615
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,590
But I told them if it ever goes south,
I don't wanna be caught up in this.
616
00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:54,880
Had I taken that McDonald's ticket
and cashed it in,
617
00:50:55,050 --> 00:50:58,930
I honestly, in my heart, believe
she still would have called the FBI,
618
00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:01,010
and I would be in prison right now.
619
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:04,430
- Hello.
- Hello, Francesco.
620
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:10,860
- The informant was, who?
- The informant was Frank's mother.
621
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,450
After Jerry passed,
and I seen all the nonsense going on,
622
00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:20,950
and all the manipulation,
and people backstabbing each other.
623
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,330
There was a lot of things back then
that happened.
624
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:28,290
At that point, Frank's mother
had custody of Francesco.
625
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,420
But it became more and more evident
that when Robin got out of prison,
626
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:35,840
Robin was going to have her son.
627
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,050
And that didn't go over well
with Frank's mother.
628
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:46,020
So because her son was dead,
and because she blamed whoever,
629
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:51,400
for whatever occurred to her son,
she then turned into the vengeful mode.
630
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,780
I'm going to now take the one thing
that Robin has away from her.
631
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:58,950
And that's her son.
632
00:52:00,870 --> 00:52:03,870
So she called the FBI.
633
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:06,250
She's the one that decided to break it.
634
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:10,460
Her son's dead, there was no link back,
she called the FBI.
635
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:15,170
And rat everybody out.
That was the way it had to be.
636
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:18,470
Laugh. Laugh.
637
00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:29,890
I went from living with my mom
and I've lived with my mom's parents.
638
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:33,020
I've lived with my dad's parents.
639
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:37,440
That's the biggest struggle of my life,
being torn between the two families.
640
00:52:37,610 --> 00:52:42,530
I felt like a pawn because a lot of it
was pointing fingers at that point.
641
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:46,240
It was a battle of them back and forth,
and I was caught in the middle of it.
642
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:53,250
Hey. Birthday girl!
643
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,170
At this point in life,
644
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:58,800
I wanna avoid conflict.
I had so much of it in my childhood.
645
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,510
I don't wanna hear any negativity
from anybody anymore.
646
00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:05,810
My mom and my grandma,
647
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:10,060
surprisingly now,
they have a pretty good relationship.
648
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,110
In the long run, I ended up being
their favorite daughter-in-law...
649
00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:17,320
I don't know if it's because
I stood up to them.
650
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:22,430
- A big change from all those years.
- Yeah.
651
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:29,500
She tells me everything, and she wants
me to be the one, if papa goes first,
652
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:34,960
to be the one she takes care of her.
And I would be.
653
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,010
No matter what, I would be there
for them. They know that.
654
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:42,760
That's who I am.
655
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,770
She only gave them information on
Robin,
656
00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:02,150
Robin's father, and Gloria.
657
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:09,040
If she could get rid of Robin,
maybe not death, but disappear,
658
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,500
then there was no one to take care of
Francesco.
659
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:16,670
But then there still remained Robin's
parents, whom could have raised.
660
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:20,920
So, they all had to go,
to be able to have Francesco.
661
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:25,800
And she was gaining her grandson.
That was the reward.
662
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:29,060
The reward was her grandson.
663
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:34,890
My mother didn't realize that
the FBI was gonna go after Jerome
664
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,980
and wiretap his house,
and so forth and so on.
665
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:41,280
And then make another Monopoly game,
and started connecting the dots.
666
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,280
Then, the Texas and then Rhode Island,
667
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,200
then he did all these other tickets
for a couple of years.
668
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,290
So, this story has got revenge, it's
got everything all wrapped up into one.
669
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:53,050
Now you guys are the only people
outside of us that knew that one.
670
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,000
- We have not told anyone.
- Anyone. No one on this planet.
671
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,420
We just figured it was time to tell
the truth.
672
00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:05,300
- That's my youngest.
- That's Vinny.
673
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:06,680
Hey, bud.
674
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,720
My son just came home from work.
675
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,890
This is Vintonio. And he just happens
to work for McDonald's now.
676
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:15,020
Holy shit.
677
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:18,810
So McDonald's has treated the family
very well.
678
00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:27,860
Jerry Jacobson was released from prison
in 2006.
679
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:34,620
He currently lives with his 7th wife,
Linda, near Atlanta, Georgia.
680
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:42,130
He stole more than $24 million in cash
and prizes over a 12-year period.
681
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,380
He still pays $370 per month
in restitution.
682
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:52,600
In response to the scandal,
683
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,900
McDonald's gave away $25 million in
prizes to randomly selected customers.
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