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[Drew]
Wine is cultural.
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And wine is art.
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[water spraying]
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There is such a human side to making wine.
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It's not just a beverage.
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It's being farmed.
It's the soil. It's the weather.
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It's the terroir,
the heart of the winemaker.
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[squelching]
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That's what goes into every glass.
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[serene music]
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I've lived and worked all over the world.
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In 2012, we opened Deckman's en el Mogor
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in Valle de Guadalupe,
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on the grounds
of an organic farm and vineyard
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with the goal to be
as close to a sustainable
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zero-kilometer restaurant as possible.
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And I think I finally found my home.
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[music intensifies]
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I came here
because of the incredible ingredients
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that come from both the Sea of Cortez
and the Pacific Ocean.
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We have beautiful produce,
cheeses, meats, olive oils,
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all within mere miles from the restaurant.
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For me, it really is a chef's paradise.
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After I became a Mexican citizen,
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it was important
for me to travel the country…
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…and meet like-minded chefs,
ranchers, producers, fishermen, artisans
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who shared my commitment to responsible
and sustainable farming and fishing.
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Join me as we explore and deep dive
into the magical landscape of Mexico
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and discover its rich culinary tapestry.
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INGREDIENT
MEXICO
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[Drew] For a country
not known for its wine,
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Mexico is making a name for itself
and getting noticed by wine aficionados.
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[pensive music]
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It's a region where there are no rules
that winemakers must follow,
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where the vineyards grow
a blend of varietals from the world over.
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[Lulu] The fact that there's no rules
and there's no legislation for the moment,
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and we're discovering
different varietals, the region,
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the potential,
just a new history being formed.
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This is not happening
anywhere else in the world.
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This is very special
because of the moment.
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The momentum is now.
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There's a great deal of creative activity
in this part of the world.
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In many ways,
there isn't much history here
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to hold us back or to guide us,
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which is why things can develop
in an unusual way.
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We're not a DOC yet.
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So here you can grow any grape you like.
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Here we are free,
and this is so typical of Mexico.
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[Drew] In the mid-1980s,
a group of forward-thinking pioneers
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began to change
the trajectory of Mexican wine
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and began producing
high-quality boutique varietals.
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[Hans] Mexico changed dramatically
after the decade of the 1980s…
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WINERY
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…and it definitely had different people
being part of that movement.
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It was a team effort,
and it was a Mexican wine,
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and it was quality that really lifted up
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and is responsible
for this big boom that we have today.
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[Drew]
As the wine industry flourishes,
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world-class chefs
are coming to the valley,
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pioneering Baja cuisine
and embracing gastronomy at its roots.
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Valle de Guadalupe, in Baja California,
is one of the most exciting wine
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and gastronomy regions in the world.
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Well, wine and gastronomy go together.
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Absolutely. You cannot think about one
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without relating it to the other.
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You cannot drink
a glass of wine just like that.
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You need something nice to eat with it,
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and you cannot eat a nice plate
without a glass of wine.
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[classical violin music]
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People don't expect anything
from Mexican wine
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because probably 80%, 90% of people
never have tried a Mexican wine.
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So it's surprising for everyone.
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You know that chardonnay
has to be like this, right?
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But how about a Mexican chardonnay
or a tempranillo-sauvignon blend?
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So I think Mexico, or Baja,
is cool because of that,
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because you don't expect
anything out of it.
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So it just blows your mind instantly.
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It's one of the nice things
about being here in Baja California
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that you can really do
sort of whatever you want.
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Exactly.
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[Eileen] Because of our gapes' quality
and our climate here,
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as the years progressed,
a sentiment appeared
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within the few people
that were here in the valley making wine
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that this could actually be a place
that could be a very well-known
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and very quality-oriented wine region.
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And that was led largely by Hugo d'Acosta
and Hans Back off of Monte Xanic.
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Really, when you think about Hugo d'Acosta
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and what his legacy is on the valley,
essentially what…
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He was the first person
that started to convince
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grape growers to make wine.
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Basically, what had happened
was there were three big buyers.
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This is late '80s.
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And those three big buyers
had gotten to a point
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where they so controlled the market.
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It was really oppression on these farmers,
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and it was more expensive for the farmers
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to raise the grapes, pick them,
and bring them to the buyer
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than it was for them just to leave it.
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The price had become so low
and the farmers were so pushed down
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that there was no incentive
to continue growing good fruit.
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And Hugo said, "Well, I'll buy your fruit.
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Why don't I make some wine?
Why don't you make some wine?
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You're growing great fruit.
Why not start a winery?
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Why don't you make wine
from your own grapes?
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We don't have to sell it."
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And really convincing farmers
to take that step up
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and now become winemakers.
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I think that's Hugo d'Acosta's legacy.
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I think, becoming the catalyst,
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the fire starter…
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…for grape growers to become winemakers.
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At that moment, we needed
to develop a strong culture…
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WINEMAKER
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…in terms of winemaking,
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but the land, the plants,
the vineyard was here.
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So the only thing that we needed
was working together
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to develop a Mexican personality.
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If we help people to make better wine,
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the region will have better quality
and better reputation.
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If we are able to pass something good,
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something strong to the new generation.
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And that is probably
the most important work,
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the most important subject
that we need to take care of.
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Well, this is a momentum.
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Now, we are a lot of people
with different ideas,
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with different wine schools,
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trying to show
what is possible to do here,
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which will be the best grape
or the best wine to make here.
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The valley said,
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"Well, I give you
the best weather conditions possible,
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and you can experiment
as much as you want."
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And that's something
I really, really enjoy
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about spending time with Hugo
and understanding his wines.
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He's been somebody
that's facilitated the ability to learn,
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giving people a platform
to learn about wine with Escuelita.
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That philosophy and that point of view
of opening up and sharing,
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as opposed to, "I'm really good at this.
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I don't want anybody to see
over my shoulder what I'm doing,"
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is such a progressive mindset.
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And understanding that
if he wants the destination to excel,
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and succeed, and reach its full potential,
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he can't do it by himself.
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He needs to give other people the tools,
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and that's what's created
these very curvy,
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beautiful avenues of wine in a valley, uh,
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where it's just unbelievably sincere
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and true expression of wine creativity
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that I'm not sure is happening
anywhere else in the world right now.
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[gentle music]
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[birds chirping]
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To the south, well, or to the north,
any other part of Mexico, apart from here,
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the traditions are very deep.
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The culture is obvious.
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Hundreds and thousands of years
of history behind it.
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The people who've arrived more recently
don't have ties to the past so much.
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Or if they do, their tie is
to where they came from,
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but they arrive here
and realize that they can start again.
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So we could do whatever we want,
and there's nothing to hold us back.
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So, the rule is there are no rules,
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except that we tend
to want to use local ingredients,
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to have a philosophy about food,
which mirrors the philosophy about wine,
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for things to be as natural as possible,
as local as possible,
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and as sustainable as possible.
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And so we've created
a whole new Mexican gastronomy,
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which is Baja Cuisine,
which never existed anywhere.
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And because there were no rules here,
because there was nothing here,
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people have been able
to actually create something
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that's now really
in the vanguard all over Mexico.
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This is the prologue
of the book of Valle de Guadalupe,
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and we are ending it.
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The first chapter, I think,
is the second generation.
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When you go to Tuscany,
when you go even to Napa, especially Napa,
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they have at least 40 years
with the certainty
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that cabernet sauvignon is the grape,
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and that they have to construct
everything around that varietal…
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MEXICAN WINERY
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…the commercial aspect,
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the agricultural aspect
and the aspect of the winemaking.
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And us, as a first generation,
uh, we can get away with it.
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Since we are the first generation,
we have the opportunity
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and we have also the freedom to explore.
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For example,
here we have one Spanish varietal
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and the rest are French varietals.
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All of them from the Mediterranean.
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But you just travel one kilometer
or half a mile,
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and you go to a winery
that only has Italian wines.
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And then you travel
maybe two kilometers or four kilometers,
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and you have a crazy guy
that has malbec or pinot noir.
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So that, again, I think the diversity
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translates to everything that we do here.
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[gentle music]
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Natalia Badán
is the matriarch of the valley.
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She was raised here.
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Her family's owned this land
since the early '50s.
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Her family was key
in the initial development of the valley.
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Uh, her father planted Olivares,
the carob trade.
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And has been an extreme force
in conservation efforts.
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She's an activist.
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She's key to the past and the future
for Guadalupe Valley.
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I think it's tough in a very small area
like Guadalupe Valley
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to really… define one varietal
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or a couple of varietals
that define the valley.
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Just because it's so varied
from the upper part of the valley,
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it's a totally different climate
than San Antonio de las Minas.
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Uh, and then because there's
so many different people
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from so many different places,
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I think, with this wine,
you've defined the valley.
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But the valley through the eyes
of the Badán family.
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-Yes, sure.
-Right?
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So, this is your heritage,
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and you've treated French grapes
in a way that has become Mexican wine.
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You're not attempting
to make a bordeaux replica,
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but you're respecting
your heritage in the terroir,
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the terruño, the context of your ranch.
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Yes, but I think we're still very young.
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You know, this boom began
about 30 years ago.
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So that makes us very, very young.
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And I think we'll have
to adapt to climate change.
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We'll eventually have
to look for other varietals.
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And with the time, I think,
we'll find some varieties that express.
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You cannot force it.
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You know, you really have
to adopt the rhythm of nature.
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And every time you make a wine,
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it takes you one year to begin to know
what is going to happen with it.
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So that takes many, many years. I think--
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-But nebbiolo does very well, right?
-Yeah.
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Tempranillo does very well.
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Anything that absorbs the heat
and takes the dryness,
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-and the lack of water.
-Yes, yes.
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And we're having trouble
with cabernet franc, for example,
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which I like very much.
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But we're still experimenting a lot,
and we're making very good wines.
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I think every year they're better,
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because people are
much more knowledgeable.
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That's a hard one,
that's not an easy one to say.
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-[laughing]
-That's a tough one for me--
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So, the fascinating thing about it
is that you're always learning.
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All the time.
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And through this knowing and learning,
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every year we can discover things.
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Definitely.
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There's no one style.
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Again, coming back to history,
we all have a history.
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And Hugo had his personal history
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in Montpellier, where he lived,
and starting here.
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I was in Bordeaux.
VĂctor Torres Alegre was in Bordeaux.
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There are young winemakers
who come from Australia now,
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who are Mexican
but studied in Australia or in Spain.
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And that just means that today
we have a lot of different styles,
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a lot of diversity.
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When you taste something like this,
a cab franc and petite sirah blend,
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who would think of blending
petite sirah and cab franc, right?
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It doesn't make sense at all.
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Who has petite sirah
apart from California and us?
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Not even in France.
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It's a varietal that's disappearing.
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So it's cool to find it again in Mexico.
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All of these things
just make it so exciting and fun.
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And people that are very--
I studied in Bordeaux so…
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Snobbish, classical wine drinkers
see this and go, "Wow!"
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How can they not fall in love?
Because they want that.
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Step out of the golden cage
and do different stuff.
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That's exactly what's happening.
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I have one that's called El Bastardo.
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That's montepulciano and mourvèdre.
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Nobody would think--
Italians and French would kill us.
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They would kill each other,
and they would kill us afterwards.
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But it's amazing, it's great.
It makes us advance so much quicker.
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You know? We are very young.
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There's been winemaking in Mexico and Baja
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for ages, centuries, literally.
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As an industry, we're very young.
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I could think of Monte Xanic in the 1980s,
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that really started pushing us
as an industry.
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So we're in the second generation
of winemakers,
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and we're advancing
and doing co-fermentations,
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and natural wines, and co-planting,
and orange wines.
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And things that a lot of people
wouldn't dare to dream of elsewhere
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because they can't,
because of an appellation.
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And this just makes us
learn so much quicker.
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[serene music]
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[Drew]
As you travel around the world,
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so many wine-growing places
have an appellation.
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-Uh-huh.
-If it's from Mâcon, it's got to be…
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If it says Mâcon,
it's got to be chardonnay, right?
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If it's from Sancerre,
it's got to be sauvignon blanc.
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And if it's not,
it has to say what the varietal is, right?
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We don't have an appellation yet.
I think it's coming.
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I think that, eventually,
we'll have something that identifies maybe
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almost like the German way
of identifying favorable growing regions,
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as opposed to saying
what grape has to be from a certain place.
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How do you define Baja wines?
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I think that
what makes it more attractive,
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what makes it exciting and vibrant,
is this freedom that we have.
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Most of us didn't have a grandparent
that taught us how to make wine,
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-or even a parent.
-Right.
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[Alberto]
We're first generation.
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Which is really different
when you think about Europe or other--
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-It's like--
-You inherit a--
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Fifteenth generation.
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Or… what is the Rothschild thing?
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It's like, "How do you continue
to make such good wine?"
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"Well, you do it for 100 years
and figure out all the errors,
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and then you just repeat that
for the next 200."
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They're like,
"Oh, okay. That sounds easy."
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Well, it's very exciting
to be part of history,
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of the discovery of what is Mexican wine.
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[in English] Something you and I
have talked about a lot is
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what is that magic point
when you decide to harvest?
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Because that makes a huge difference.
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And you can't just go,
"Okay, what has this number of Brix,
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time to harvest."
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Because it's not just the sugar,
it's so much more.
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-Yes.
-And just playing that…
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…sort of, moving scale of,
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"Well, what do I want
the wine to be at the end?
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How complex is this for a rosé?
Or is it for--"
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There's so many options, but just that…
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And I'm guessing,
it's probably for you guys…
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Uh-huh.
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…it's the biggest pressure point
of the year.
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Once the fruit's in your winery,
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I'm guessing you got it
more or less under control.
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These gray hairs are precisely that.
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Choosing the best day to pick,
because there's only one.
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-There's one best day to pick.
-You can't staple them back on.
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Yeah. One thing is your sugar,
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which is your alcohol content,
and your acidity.
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But what's more important in the wine
is the flavors you get out of it.
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So the last analysis you do is,
walking through the vineyard,
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trying the fruit,
because there isn't an instrument
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but yourself to taste the flavors.
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You can't have a lab analysis for flavors.
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That's a good point.
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And the day of harvest is
taking the picture,
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and you have a composition,
you have your lighting.
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That can't change. There's no going back.
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[serene music]
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[Drew]
So, this is tempranillo here?
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Tempranillo to the left,
nebbiolo to the right.
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-[Drew] This is nebbiolo?
-Yeah.
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-[Drew] They're gorgeous clusters.
-Aren't they pretty?
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That's why when we do
our testing for the Brix,
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-we want to on do both sides, high, low.
-You test on both sides.
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Um, because oftentimes
when people just pull a cluster,
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it's not a true representative
of where we're at.
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Hmm. Right. Because morning fruit--
morning sun, afternoon sun.
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Well, and you saw the end caps
of the tempranillo,
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-and then look at what we have here.
-You scatter all over the place.
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Yeah. I mean,
this will never come to fruition.
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So we're going to have
to go through and drop it.
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-[Drew] Can we do that right now?
-Please.
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One of the parts about being a winemaker,
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once it's in the winery
to a certain extent,
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you sort of have control.
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You can control temperature,
you can control volume of the vessel,
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you can control how much air--
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-you control a lot of things.
-Okay.
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But when the grape
is still hanging on the plant…
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…your decision when to pick,
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it's a… one-shot thing.
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I mean, obviously,
you can do separate cuts.
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-Right.
-You can do more cuts on the same rows.
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You can do--
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Well, that's why you also know
a true winemaker during harvest,
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the dirt on their boots.
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I walk the lines multiple times a day
because-- as a chef, you get it.
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In the morning,
that fruit hanging has a different
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impact than at the end of the day,
if it was a really hot day
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or if you see something is evolving
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and you can hit it with a bunch of water
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and hope to plump it up
to give it a little more longevity, it's--
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It is a dance in hoping
not to step on each other's toes
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and trying to figure out the best time.
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But once you cut it off the plant,
you can't put it back on.
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-Right. It's done.
-Then you have-- your parameters are set.
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Your acid is what it is,
your sugars are what it is.
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And then, therefore,
that's when you have to maybe become
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a little more creative
with your fermentations
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by working with temperature,
working with yeast.
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But, I mean, I guess,
just like raising children,
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-you can't just set it and forget it…
-That's what I do.
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…put it into a calculator
and have this awesome result.
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I mean, you have to be just
as interactive with the growing process
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as you do within the fermentation,
as you do within the aging.
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And so there has to be
a great amount of respect
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for the process in the field.
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And I also think
that they respond well too
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if you walk through
and show them a little love.
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When I'm harvesting,
I'm always playing music, and…
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-You're one of those.
-I am.
400
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:52,032
-Yeah.
-But I do it by myself.
401
00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:54,117
[mockingly] Sure.
402
00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:55,493
-I do.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I wake up at four o'clock in the morning
[chuckling] with my headlamp.
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[Drew]
Oh, man.
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I don't know how many times
and how many hours,
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00:25:07,255 --> 00:25:09,591
and days, and sunsets…
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00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:13,428
-And sunrises. [chuckling]
-Sometimes sunrises.
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I sat here with your dad.
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The first few years,
I think, were really special.
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I think having my dad here,
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who created this relationship
with the community…
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I think that's something
that you also helped teach me.
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I remember my third month here,
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I was just so privileged.
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And we were at our lunch at Laha.
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"These people cannot respect my time."
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And I was on one…
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And you just let me go,
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and then you said to me,
"Okay, cool, Kris. You have two options.
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You can walk around
with this heavy backpack,
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and you could just be angry at everyone.
422
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,182
Or you could realize that these people
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are inviting you into their community,
and it's their culture.
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00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:08,191
So how about you change your priorities
and your expectations around
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to fall in line more with what's
already going on here?"
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00:26:11,903 --> 00:26:16,241
And that kicked the pedestal out
from underneath me.
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00:26:16,324 --> 00:26:19,327
And I was like,
"There's a reason this gringo is existing
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down here in goodness."
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00:26:22,372 --> 00:26:27,002
And then, between you and Dad,
I mean, my first four years here
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were fun, full of good times.
431
00:26:29,296 --> 00:26:31,381
-It's still fun.
-It is.
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00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:34,092
I miss your dad.
I miss your dad every day.
433
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:40,974
My dad always found an excuse
to show up at your restaurant,
434
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and you also were a horrible influence.
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It would be 6:30 in the evening.
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00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:50,108
-We were mutually horrible.
-[laughs] "All the reservations are in.
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00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:52,360
The grill is still hot.
You wanna come over?"
438
00:26:52,444 --> 00:26:56,156
My dad's like, "Well,
we can't let that grill go to waste."
439
00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:59,242
"He's burning a firewood.
Somebody's got to eat something."
440
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:04,748
Yeah, but I think that what I love
about the two of you guys together
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was not only did you have
an adventurous spirit,
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00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:10,795
but also your high respect
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00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:15,508
for the idea of coming in
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as an immigrant, if you will.
445
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:23,433
It's coming in and embracing
the culture and adapting.
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00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:25,060
And, you know…
447
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:28,563
I think that's also what we do
as chefs and winemakers alike.
448
00:27:28,646 --> 00:27:34,361
The idea of coming in
and respectfully taking the ingredient
449
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or the space or the community
for all of the beauty
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and not trying to change it
in a personal way,
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but trying to leave a positive impact.
452
00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:50,877
So when you are gone,
people think fondly of your experience.
453
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,422
And that was something my dad did well.
454
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:57,133
[Drew] I've seen changes in you.
I've seen changes in Lechuza.
455
00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,220
Where do you think this is going?
456
00:28:00,303 --> 00:28:03,932
I mean, it's obvious
that we have some issues,
457
00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:06,309
some growing pains right now
in the valley.
458
00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:07,352
Where's this headed?
459
00:28:08,311 --> 00:28:10,939
[Kristin]
The water thing is beyond.
460
00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:15,902
We don't have nearly as much watering
because all of these new vineyards
461
00:28:15,985 --> 00:28:19,239
are sucking up
all of the superficial top watering.
462
00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:23,785
Um… not only that.
The tourism is different.
463
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:26,579
Ten years ago, when we opened,
we would blow up balloons
464
00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:29,624
and stand on the side of the highway
and wave people down,
465
00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:34,587
hoping that they would join
our family table's barbecue, you know.
466
00:28:34,671 --> 00:28:39,175
And now we have to turn people away
because we can't fit it.
467
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:41,094
Where is it going to be in ten years?
468
00:28:41,177 --> 00:28:42,762
Man, I hope it slows down,
469
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:48,101
and I hope that we can
invest in proper infrastructure
470
00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:51,146
to keep our existing community safe.
471
00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:54,691
The folks who work
every single day in these vineyards
472
00:28:54,774 --> 00:28:59,028
and have for generations
should have running water in their houses
473
00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:02,740
rather than a four-diamond resort
474
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:06,744
with a massive bathtub.
475
00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:09,456
There has to be some sort of balance.
476
00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,624
-Here's to Lechuza.
-Cheers. Thank you.
477
00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:13,084
-Here's to Ray.
-Thank you.
478
00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:14,627
Congratulations.
479
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:20,425
When we think of winemaking,
we think of a winery,
480
00:29:20,508 --> 00:29:23,094
but actually it's agriculture.
481
00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:24,512
It's down in the vineyard.
482
00:29:24,596 --> 00:29:27,682
So, my most important job
is being in the vineyard.
483
00:29:27,765 --> 00:29:31,269
I'm over there
three times a week tasting grapes,
484
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:36,649
and you have to have
a balance between acidity and sugar.
485
00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:38,610
And that depends on your palate, right?
486
00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:42,739
Like, Kristin, who I love,
can choose to harvest a certain date
487
00:29:42,822 --> 00:29:45,074
because she likes--
It's like a chef, right?
488
00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:49,287
She likes her chardonnay a certain way.
I like my chardonnay another way.
489
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:51,122
I always talk with examples,
490
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:54,417
and I like this example
because it talks to you.
491
00:29:54,501 --> 00:29:57,670
Like tomatoes,
if you want to do a carpaccio tomato,
492
00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,131
you have to choose
a certain type of tomato.
493
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:03,718
If you wait too long,
with an overripe tomato,
494
00:30:03,801 --> 00:30:06,346
and you cut it, it'll be impossible.
495
00:30:06,429 --> 00:30:09,432
That tomato is great for sauce,
but not for a carpaccio.
496
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:13,811
You have to think of a grape the same way.
497
00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:19,275
If I want a crisp, bright,
non-malolactic, non-oaky chardonnay,
498
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:20,985
then I'm going to harvest it early
499
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:24,447
because I need that freshness,
that sharpness, that crispness.
500
00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:27,534
It's all about just being in the vineyard,
tasting the grapes.
501
00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:30,328
I hate numbers, I hate having Brix, or…
502
00:30:30,411 --> 00:30:32,330
You know it's all about senses.
503
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,541
I'm always tasting the grape
just to see just to see
504
00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:37,335
when I have the perfect balance
between that nice acidity,
505
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:40,797
brightness, and sugar,
density, creaminess,
506
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,260
and then I choose when to harvest,
and we have to do it immediately.
507
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:49,806
Cooking and making wine
is very personal and very intimate.
508
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:52,559
I had built my life in Bordeaux,
and I wanted to stay there.
509
00:30:52,642 --> 00:30:55,812
But when I saw
that Eileen and Phil Gregory, who I love,
510
00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:57,772
came to Bordeaux,
511
00:30:57,855 --> 00:31:02,110
presented their wines,
and started to talk about the Valle,
512
00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:06,239
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
They're American and British.
513
00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:09,158
They seem so in love
with the region, they…
514
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:11,119
I want that. I want to be in love."
515
00:31:11,202 --> 00:31:16,332
I was in love with what I was doing,
but not maybe with the region as much.
516
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:20,712
Listening to them and seeing
their eyes light up, I was, "I want that."
517
00:31:20,795 --> 00:31:23,423
So I came back to Ensenada
and started tasting.
518
00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:27,093
And, God, it was amazing,
and I think that's the difference.
519
00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:31,806
When you go to Vena Cava,
and you have Phil's wine, it's Phil.
520
00:31:31,889 --> 00:31:34,892
It's him, first person being involved,
521
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:37,562
and personally and directly
being involved in it.
522
00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:41,024
So that made the difference,
and that's when I chose to come back home.
523
00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:44,986
And it's cool,
and I think Baja is amazing.
524
00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:48,197
You actually get to see the people
who are behind each project.
525
00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:52,785
We need to taste every week,
and then we adapt whatever we're doing.
526
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,954
So that's the fun part of it.
527
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:58,916
It's always… You know, wine is living.
528
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,462
So we always adapt to what we're tasting.
529
00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:06,132
Tasting is a very, very important part
of what we do.
530
00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:09,010
And I think, again, coming back to Baja…
531
00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:17,185
…we still do it because we don't have
to do a certain type of product.
532
00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:20,229
We can do whatever
nature gave us that year
533
00:32:20,313 --> 00:32:24,192
and adapt to the terroir,
adapt to the grapes
534
00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:29,030
without having to do
a protocol or a certain type of product.
535
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:32,909
This can change every year,
and nobody would hate us because of it.
536
00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:34,535
So it's much more authentic.
537
00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,413
[pensive music]
538
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:50,718
WINE ROUTE
PIJOAN WINERY
539
00:32:53,179 --> 00:32:55,515
[Silvana]
I think, in the younger generation,
540
00:32:55,598 --> 00:32:57,892
and even so much more in the younger ones,
541
00:32:57,975 --> 00:33:02,438
we are now very much connected
into the problems
542
00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:05,942
we're going to have
in terms of climate, droughts.
543
00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:11,072
So staying separated from agriculture,
I think, is no longer possible.
544
00:33:11,155 --> 00:33:13,199
Not just for me
that work directly in agriculture.
545
00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:16,619
I think, as a generation,
we're so much more connected to,
546
00:33:16,703 --> 00:33:17,995
"Where did this come from?
547
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:22,583
What is it doing
to the planet that I live on?
548
00:33:22,667 --> 00:33:24,919
Is it helping? Is it part of the problem?"
549
00:33:25,002 --> 00:33:28,798
Uh, you start to be a bit more conscious.
550
00:33:28,881 --> 00:33:32,552
And maybe our parents
didn't have that connection to the land
551
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:35,179
as deeply as we have to.
552
00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:39,976
Natural wine is initially
connected very much
553
00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:44,063
to what happens in the field,
in the vineyard, in the agriculture.
554
00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:48,651
So you can't really create
a good natural wine
555
00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:50,862
or have a good conversation
with your wine,
556
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:53,573
with your grape and with your region
557
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:57,076
if it's so much more controlled
by many factors.
558
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,830
So, initially,
I like that it's very honest
559
00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:04,709
and very sensible
in the way you approach it.
560
00:34:04,792 --> 00:34:08,129
So, for me, it was
to really understand the region
561
00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:10,465
and to understand the personality
562
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:14,177
that we're capable
of communicating and expressing.
563
00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:26,314
-This first one is really nice.
-Thank you.
564
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:30,443
And so this is your wine, right, Tito?
565
00:34:30,526 --> 00:34:33,404
Yeah, this is a blend
of chardonnay with chenin blanc.
566
00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:37,492
The idea is a wine that pairs well
with all the ingredients from the--
567
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:39,702
-This is Fluxus.
-That's Fluxus. Yeah.
568
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:44,248
So we met, what, probably 2008 or '09.
569
00:34:44,332 --> 00:34:46,709
At that time, it was still very…
570
00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:51,088
Still pretty small. I mean,
there was only 25 or 30 wineries.
571
00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:52,924
-Yeah.
-And now, how many are there?
572
00:34:53,007 --> 00:34:54,884
-Closer to 200.
-Closer to 200?
573
00:34:54,967 --> 00:35:00,097
Not all of them have wineries,
but they have a wine project.
574
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:02,266
Okay. This place has changed a lot.
575
00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:07,188
[Daniel] It has changed a lot,
but for me, Baja is amazing.
576
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,441
-[Drew] What changes have you seen?
-In terms of the quality for me.
577
00:35:11,108 --> 00:35:13,152
-For me, when-- Exactly.
-Go up--
578
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:15,112
The ten years
that I've been standing here,
579
00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:17,782
-I've seen ten--
-Different-- [laughing]
580
00:35:17,865 --> 00:35:19,450
-Very different…
-Very different.
581
00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:22,912
-…seasons and very different results…
-Seasons, exactly.
582
00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:25,164
…at the end of the year
when you're harvesting the grapes.
583
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:27,917
-Yeah.
-So as we get more time on the vineyards,
584
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,752
we're getting more complex fruit,
585
00:35:29,836 --> 00:35:33,005
which is also allowing
you guys to produce better wines.
586
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:36,467
That and the know-how,
the years of experience,
587
00:35:36,551 --> 00:35:39,470
getting to understand our site,
588
00:35:40,137 --> 00:35:43,766
its limitations, which is scarce water…
589
00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:49,981
…that makes you understand
that your only growth is
590
00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:53,276
making the best and the most
out of what you have.
591
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:57,238
We're already at a point
where water is in everybody's mouth.
592
00:35:57,321 --> 00:35:58,698
It's a big deal.
593
00:35:58,781 --> 00:36:01,450
I mean, we've reduced
the size of our gardens
594
00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,744
because of lack of water. We've…
595
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,666
A lot of things aren't producing
because of lack of water.
596
00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:11,836
What's our future? Where are we going?
597
00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:15,965
Where do we find that stop
so the wine culture can continue
598
00:36:16,048 --> 00:36:18,634
and not the night club culture
or the cantina culture
599
00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:22,930
that's going to end up taking
all the water that we need for the grapes?
600
00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:26,767
That's a one million
dollar question. [laughing]
601
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:28,644
But you guys are young and smart.
602
00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:30,706
[Drew in English]
Alberto, where are we going?
603
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:34,085
[Alberto]
Ideally, it would be to translate,
604
00:37:34,168 --> 00:37:38,297
to communicate to the new players
that are making projects today.
605
00:37:38,381 --> 00:37:44,303
They didn't live the initial days,
the glorious days when this started.
606
00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:48,057
So we have to communicate this emotion.
607
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:53,688
But the important thing is not to forget
what gave identity to this site…
608
00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,024
…what gave it a healthy growth.
609
00:37:57,108 --> 00:37:59,235
It was all this camaraderie.
610
00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:01,487
Well, I really respect both of you guys,
611
00:38:01,570 --> 00:38:04,323
and I really enjoy all the wines
that both of you make.
612
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,534
-[laughter]
-[mumbles] Thanks, Drew.
613
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:08,202
-Thank you for your time.
-Thank you.
614
00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:10,871
[pensive music]
615
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:03,627
[Drew in English] As the growth
has increased here in the valley…
616
00:41:05,254 --> 00:41:10,885
…we're seeing non-passion-based
investors coming in.
617
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,722
And these non-passion-based investors
are building big wineries
618
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,559
um, with the idea of selling real estate,
619
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,313
um, with the idea of receiving tour buses,
620
00:41:23,022 --> 00:41:27,484
um, and have really become
hostile buyers in the grape market.
621
00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:31,655
And they've come in
and they've gone to these growers that…
622
00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:36,493
I know Natalia's had
more than 20-year relationships
623
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:38,746
with these growers, and all of a sudden,
624
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,165
"Oh, no, our fruits aren't available."
"Why is that?"
625
00:41:41,248 --> 00:41:43,959
"Oh, well, because
this new winery here came in
626
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:48,047
and it paid us three times
what the going rate is.
627
00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:52,134
But to sign the contract
and to get prepaid,
628
00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:54,762
we had to agree
not to sell to anybody else but them,
629
00:41:54,845 --> 00:41:56,472
and they buy the entire parcel."
630
00:41:57,139 --> 00:41:58,432
So very hostile,
631
00:41:58,974 --> 00:42:04,438
very, uh, talk-to-the-hand,
kind of, mentality.
632
00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:10,194
People who come to a new place
and then are not good neighbors…
633
00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:13,781
…are not improving the overall…
634
00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:15,616
…um…
635
00:42:16,659 --> 00:42:18,577
…spirit or soul of the valley.
636
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:23,582
And you're taking people that live…
small wine producers that live
637
00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:27,253
from what they're doing
and now can't get fruit because…
638
00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:31,173
I mean, you could
look at it as capitalism, right?
639
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:33,384
I mean, it's supply and demand.
640
00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:38,138
The supply just went up
to $4000 a metric ton.
641
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:43,769
If you can't pay it,
then it's a natural market cleanser.
642
00:42:43,852 --> 00:42:45,396
[soft music]
643
00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:50,317
You know, straight John Maynard Keynes
economy philosophy.
644
00:42:51,568 --> 00:42:55,406
But then there's such a human side
to making wine,
645
00:42:55,948 --> 00:43:01,412
and a cultural side that I think
supersedes the business side of it.
646
00:43:01,495 --> 00:43:03,914
And, you know, wine is art.
647
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:06,959
It can be art.
648
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:10,129
Wine is cultural.
649
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:15,175
It's not just… a beverage.
650
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:18,095
It's… being farmed.
651
00:43:18,178 --> 00:43:21,056
It's… the soil.
652
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:24,601
It's the weather. It's--
everything goes into that glass.
653
00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:30,316
The main thing is not to forget
the vocation of the region.
654
00:43:30,858 --> 00:43:33,610
And the vocation is agriculture,
655
00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:37,740
growing grapes, growing olives
656
00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:40,951
and growing Mediterranean cultivars.
657
00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:46,915
And it is the only spot in all Mexico
where we can do that.
658
00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:52,212
So I think that we really have to defend
659
00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:54,798
that vocation for the future.
660
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:58,093
Because if we lose it,
if we become a city,
661
00:43:58,177 --> 00:43:59,762
we won't get it back.
662
00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:05,434
If we don't conserve
what created the tourism,
663
00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:07,853
the tourism then disappears,
and we're left with nothing,
664
00:44:07,936 --> 00:44:10,647
not the tourism or the agriculture,
which is then gone
665
00:44:10,731 --> 00:44:13,942
because somebody felt like
it was more important to have a hotel.
666
00:44:14,026 --> 00:44:19,698
I always like to say, if 50 chefs
decided to show up in some valley
667
00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:23,952
and open 50 restaurants
in the middle of where there's nobody,
668
00:44:24,036 --> 00:44:27,790
it probably wouldn't do anything,
or bring anybody.
669
00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:29,458
Unfortunately, some of our neighbors
670
00:44:29,541 --> 00:44:32,461
and some of our colleagues forget
that the wine was here first,
671
00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,422
and the wine is what allows us
to do what we do.
672
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:38,133
[Natalia]
Absolutely, because we want it to last.
673
00:44:38,717 --> 00:44:40,719
[melancholic music]
674
00:46:27,493 --> 00:46:28,494
[music fades]
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