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-Right here?
-Okay.
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-There we go.
-Okay, good.
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Perfect. Okay.
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So this is the response to season
one from Jim Bob and Michelle.
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"The recent documentary
that talks about our family is sad."
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Michelle and Jim Bob
Duggar are coming out swinging,
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after a bombshell documentary claims
to expose their family secrets.
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"In it, we see the media
and those with ill intentions"
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hurting people we
love." Wow.
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"This documentary
paints so much and so many
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in a derogatory and
sensationalized way."
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It was such a victory for
victims of religious abuse.
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It's very accurate.
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I feel like it was
very validating for me.
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"We have always
believed that the best chance
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to repair damaged relationships
or reconcile differences
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is through love in
a private setting."
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Oh, he ticks me off.
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He just does. I just...
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Oh, man. I want to tell
him what's up so bad.
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What a ride it's been.
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It's like season one was a holy hey-do.
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Let's talk about the
most shocking revelations
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from the Duggar families'
new docu-series on Prime.
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Messy, y'all check this out,
so we can talk about it.
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I am not okay.
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Oh, my word. Social
media just exploded.
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All of these people that were
not in the IBLP craziness
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could relate in some way.
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I need you to understand
that this is the tip of the iceberg.
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This is literally
just the beginning.
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So many stories of just
really crazy belief systems.
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And it's not about church.
It's not about religion.
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Coming up with "new rules". It's not
necessarily biblical or from God.
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-It's just man-made-up bullcrap.
-Crap.
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It is.
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And even when they say, you
know, "In the name of Jesus,"
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it's not always that way.
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All right, y'all.
Shiny Happy People, season two.
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Here we go.
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Here we go.
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When I got a text saying
that this show was happening,
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the first thing I wrote back was,
"I knew this day would come."
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Do you ever have a memory that
you know other evangelicals
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and ex-vangelicals share?
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This is literally all of
my Teen Mania baggage.
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There was this ministry
called "Teen Mania".
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-Teen Mania.
-Teen Mania.
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Teen Mania Ministries.
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Did you ever
hear about Teen Mania?
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It was so crazy and so weird.
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They were told that they were
going to this big concert.
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And it's a really great place to
just like meet other Christians.
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That's exactly
what we were told.
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-Did you go?
-Because I went to one.
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Oh, okay.
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How do you know you're
in a cult if that's your normal?
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I mean, you don't.
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Until someone comes
along and...
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"That's not good."
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-Yeah.
-"This is a cult."
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Teen Mania was the biggest Christian
youth organization in America.
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And the founder, Ron
Luce, he's the ringmaster.
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This is God. This is an
encounter with the son of God.
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"Do you love God,
or do you love God?"
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There was three main
branches of Teen Mania.
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Acquire the Fire.
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It was like Coachella for youth groups.
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Music's playing. Lights
are going. Fire shooting off.
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This was kids producing
stadium shows.
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There was the Global
Expeditions mission trips.
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Don't you want to go around the
world and save people for Jesus?
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They also ran the Honor Academy,
which was a Christian boot camp.
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You were the Marines
of this movement.
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There was a lot of
acceptance there.
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That's who I wanted to be
with. Those were my people.
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We believed we were
changing the world.
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But then... it gets weird.
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You're about to undertake
the most intense training
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I know of in the body of Christ.
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Look at you guys, you
look great! You're an army!
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Nobody ever tells you,
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"Hey, don't get in any coffins
while you're still alive."
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Sleep deprivation, food
deprivation, verbal abuse,
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refusal of medical
treatment, rolling in vomit.
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They opened me up nine
inches. I was days from dying.
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Then he says, "You bare on your
body the marks of a world changer."
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Jesus said we'd be persecuted,
but not by his own people.
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It was a scam with increasingly
disgusting motives.
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You were not only a child of God, you
were also part of a political project.
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We must either fight
or become slaves.
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What if we said we want our voice to be
heard instead of your voice to be heard?
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This was fascism in front
of me on a massive scale.
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Teen Mania was part
of a broad movement
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created by big, heavy political
players to blow up the order as it is.
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This is the generation that
was raised to seize power.
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-Welcome to the end of democracy.
-We own the country, not them.
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Their long term plan is
to amend the Constitution.
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I don't think our country
could survive that.
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This is a war. Which
side are you on?
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They have to be stopped.
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Start me with the easy ones while I'm
a little nervous, I can ease into it.
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Oh, it's all
going to be pretty easy.
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Easier than taking the
cult down.
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Yeah.
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I grew up
around Tampa, Florida.
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I mean, for me, I loved Florida
because I liked the warm weather.
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And I liked swimming, and
I liked going to the beach.
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My dad died when I was 11.
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I'm an only child, so I
grew up just me and my mom.
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My main source of
community was my church.
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I was at church six days a
week. Seven, if I could be.
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I even read the whole Bible cover
to cover in a year when I was 15.
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Youth group was a must.
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Every Wednesday, Sunday after
church, we'd always hang out.
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Those were my friends.
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Youth group
started at age 13.
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But if you were
emotionally ready, 12.
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I was. My
parents were pastors.
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My nickname was Rev, because
they wanted me to be a pastor.
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So they would call me, "Hey,
Rev, how are you doing?"
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You had to be involved in some type
of ministry aspect of the church,
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whether it be choir, drama.
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My first ministry was dance,
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and dance became such a
place of expression for me.
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It was like a physical representation
of what I was feeling on the inside.
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Those are special times
because we were all...
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connected.
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We were evangelical millennial
kids, so we were the good kids.
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I always grew up feeling like Hollywood
did not understand Christianity.
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Whenever I would see it
in a movie, I was like,
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"This is like a bad caricature, and
it has none of the positive spirit."
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It feels like mocking,
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or it just feels like this person has
never met a real Christian before.
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Hey, dig this.
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♪ God said to Noah,
"There's gonna be a floody, floody" ♪
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Wow. Very much that.
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And it's the nineties.
We're flooded with culture.
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I dare you to impeach me.
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With consumer culture,
cartoons, magazines, movies.
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Like, it was wild.
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Right here,
we have 50 single women.
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Right here, we have 50 single
guys, on MTV's Singled Out.
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Hello, Stephon, my name is
Sonya, and I want to get on ya.
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There is a real
sense of like being assaulted
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by these secular
ideas in the media.
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This was the height of MTV.
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Pop culture was promoting
sexual promiscuity
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and other ideas
that were ungodly.
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Secular culture was kind of
a gateway where, you know,
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if you just crack your door
open a little bit to the devil,
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then he can just barge right in.
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Growing up, I listened
to mostly Christian radio.
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We also listened to some NPR.
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I heard it referred to once
as National Perverted Radio.
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I grew up listening to James
Dobson. He's a psychologist.
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He had a radio show called
"Focus on the Family",
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that was mostly about how to have a
happy family, how to raise your children,
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all from an evangelical
point of view.
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He is the reason that
many, many evangelical kids
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were subjected to
corporal punishment.
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-There's a whole generation...
-Yeah.
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...that would like to catch
me in a blind alley.
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Dobson went on to become
much more politically active.
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I remember growing up, hearing
about how we needed to pray
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that God would restore
America's Christian character.
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Family people who are
just ordinary folks.
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They're especially
worried about a culture
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that is at war with
what they believe.
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Hollywood, the rock music
industry, television, and so on.
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It came from a sincere
concern that the culture was corrupt.
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There was a lot of discussion
of spiritual warfare
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and of having to fight
a battle against evil.
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It was what drove
us in so many ways
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to try to infuse Christianity
into the larger culture.
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We were trying to save the world, not
just ourselves, but the whole world.
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If the world is
liking this style of music,
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then we need to be giving that
style of music as an alternative,
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but with like a secret
Jesus message.
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♪ Tell me
who's in the house ♪
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♪ JC ♪
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We're calling Jesus
"JC"! That's so cool.
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♪ He was born
to a virgin named Mary ♪
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♪ On Christmas Day, he bled
And he did die on the cross ♪
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Why do I remember that?
I don't know.
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But I thought I was cool because I
was like, "I'm rapping like Carman."
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It was very much,
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"Let's create the Christian corollary,
and then maybe we can beat MTV."
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We ain't nothing but a
bunch of Jesus freaks!
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♪ What will people think when they
hear that I'm a Jesus freak? ♪
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I was like, "Yeah, Christian
Rock, is it." Awesome.
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I think I was too young.
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I was a spiritual
world-changer warrior.
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-You were just a kid.
-Little kid.
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-That's why you're so mean to me.
-That's why we didn't get along.
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Our sibling rivalry
was intensely religous.
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♪ I dreamed I went to heaven ♪
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♪ You were there with me ♪
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Our dad is Ray Boltz, who
is a Christian singer.
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His music was often labeled as
like inspirational Christian music.
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♪ Thank you for
giving to the Lord ♪
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He became like a
evangelical celebrity.
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We had our own little
celebrity ecosystem
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that was so much better than
the the ungodly world out there.
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I've been writing about varieties of
religious expression for about 25 years.
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At the time, I was writing
for Rolling Stone magazine.
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I had been working
on a long project
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about these very elite, political,
Christian conservatives,
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and I'm calling them "political"
because that was their priority,
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more than religious.
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By the nineties, close to one in four
Americans were white evangelicals.
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It was a huge voting block.
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And evangelical leaders have been
very effective in mobilizing voters.
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9 million new voters were
motivated in 1994 to come out,
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and they gave power
to the Republicans.
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We were angry about the
direction of the country.
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And it felt like
an exciting time.
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But the promises of those
politicians didn't come true.
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The Republican
Party made promises.
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It ran essentially on a pro-family,
pro-life, pro-moral agenda.
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That's what they talked
about. Then to get in office,
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and then deal with none of the issues
that they had promised is, is a betrayal.
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That's the big political
turn. A wrong was done.
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I'm going to fight harder for
this, and we will win in the end.
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I believe I'm not the only one
that will say enough is enough.
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But I believe millions of
other people will also.
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James Dobson
brought together
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other politically-minded
religious right leaders.
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They had this idea
of retaking America.
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They're thinking, "How do we build
not just to elect somebody right now,
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but how do we do
the long program?"
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It's time to take
this up a notch.
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Basic idea is how we pursue this
on many, many different fronts.
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Part of the mission was
to train up a generation
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that would restore the world and
the nation back to godliness.
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We need to take America back
to being a Christian nation.
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They were hungry for youth.
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You needed someone who could
reach that army of kids.
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How do you win a culture war? By
building a culture that will wage it.
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And that's what Ron begins.
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Hello! Sir,
please, I'm in a real hurry.
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What does it mean to love God
with all your heart? Any idea?
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It's to dedicate your
whole life to God.
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Well, I got to get back.
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Who are you?
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Hi, I'm Ron Luce.
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Hi, I'm Ron Luce.
Hi, I'm Ron Luce.
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Ron Luce is a very
passionate person.
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It was great to see young people
stand up and do something for God.
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An insanely intense person.
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-We need a revolution.
-Ron was on fire.
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Ron was almost like a
godlike, mythic figure.
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-He was on the...
-Fire by Nite.
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Fire by Nite was like MTV
on your Christian TV station.
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Rock bands, guests, and Ron
Luce was like a guest host.
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He gets a segment
called "What's Hot".
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He's a Christian
culture taste maker.
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According to Rolling Stone magazine,
Striper, the heavy metal Christian group,
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is now openly
drinking and smoking.
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We're reporting all this so
that you can really check out.
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If they were Christians, are they still?
And what kind of message is coming across?
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He was a household name
in my house growing up.
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He had a great mullet
that just would move.
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He would shake, like,
oh... "I got to tell you."
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I must go up to throw him down. I'm
gonna rip him up and tear him down.
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And chew him up and shove him down
and mess him up and mow him down.
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I mean, it was very,
very, very exciting.
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We were smitten.
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He laid out the path to go.
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"Yeah, it's okay for you
to be crazy for Jesus!"
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I live for God! And
I won't back down!
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He is very focused on God, but
also very like, "We need God."
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"You need to get
serious about your faith!"
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Everything is so intense,
and God is...
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I had never seen
anything like that.
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He felt natural and
real. He's angry youth.
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See if we can find any young people that
can tell us who they think Jesus is.
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I think Ron's genius was as a
media strategist, a showman.
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-Hey, how y'all doing tonight?
-I'm doing good.
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Who do you think?
Who's Jesus Christ?
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-Who is he?
-He's my savior.
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I'm into God and stuff. Yeah.
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I don't really know what
I consider Jesus Christ.
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I'm really not all into that.
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There are thousands and thousands
of teenagers and young people
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that have had their life
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radically transformed,
changed from dark to light.
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MTV is the poisoning
of America's minds.
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It's poison. It gets in your brain,
gets in your ears, and it's like cancer.
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It begins to tear at your
heart. Tear at your self-esteem.
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Make you walk away from God, make
you think he's not even real.
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-Ron hated MTV.
-Hated MTV.
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He's talking about
how bad MTV is.
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And I'm like, "Yeah,
it must be really bad."
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We petitioned our parents,
like, "We want to block MTV."
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We said, "Mom, we
can't have this on our TV."
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We need to make a stand,
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and we need to make a stand against
the cable company that's including it.
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-And so...
-There's a boycott.
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God's looking
for young people.
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Stand strong in your high school on
Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday.
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It is possible.
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He and his wife, Katie,
decided that they were going
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to begin their own venture
called Teen Mania Ministries.
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With me today, I have Ron
Luce of Teen Mania Ministries.
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-Hi, Ron.
-Hi.
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I had to look here to
get the name right.
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For people who aren't familiar
with Teen Mania Ministries,
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tell us a little bit
about what that's about.
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Well, Teen Mania, we take teenagers on
summer mission trips all over the world.
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Last summer, we took like 1100 wild,
turned on, radical teenagers...
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At the beginning, Teen Mania's goal
was to get teenagers on mission trips,
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go out into the world and tell
all these unreached people
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about the good news of Christ.
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Actually, we're gonna take the
gospel to the highways and byways
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where people from all kinds of
different walks of life come.
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Ron's belief was that
once every nation had a chance
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to accept Jesus into their hearts,
that Jesus would come back.
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So by sending everyone on these mission
trips, he was speeding up that return.
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We're on a boat, and we're
sailing all over the Black Sea
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with a bunch of wild Teen
Maniacs on their free day.
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You guys having a great
time here or what?
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Our very first summer, we
took 60 kids to Guatemala.
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I'm right here in Mexico.
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We got teenagers witnessing
Tarok worshiping Buddhists
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and winning them to the
Lord. It's great, Blaine.
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Ron, I know...
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I would want to remind those of you
interested in going with us this summer,
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Fire by Nite, Teen Mania
summer missions trip.
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You better get your
application in right away.
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They would travel from state to
state, youth group to youth group.
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There would be a fire and brimstone
message geared to teenagers,
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geared to that MTV generation.
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Then they would ask people to come
on mission trips during the summer.
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Even when he's on a small stage,
he understands that each youth pastor
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is a building block for the bigger
stage he's going to move on to.
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God's looking for a
young generation that'll see
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through the games that the world
tries to shove down your throat.
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We're talking about
a new generation
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that just doesn't try to
get away with stuff anymore.
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He understood
how to capture the youth
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because the wounds of
his youth lived with him.
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I can't remember one
good memory as a child.
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I mean, it was pretty bad. My parents
were divorced when I was seven,
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and I lived with my mom
for most of my life.
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There was abuse
going on in the home,
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and sometimes I went to school with
bruises and that kind of thing.
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He grew up rough.
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At 15, he ran away to find the
father who had abandoned his family.
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And there's this idea, "If I can
just find this good father..."
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It's the very first
night I'm with my dad,
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he says, "Now, son, if you're
going to try any of that pot stuff,
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you should be sure and bring it
home, so we can all try it together."
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And so I brought it home, and
we all smoked it together.
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And my life got worse until a friend
of mine invited me to go to church.
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He describes this packed out
little church, filled with energy.
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He encounters, as he says
it, the angry Christ.
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He's excited.
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He comes back, he tells his friends,
"They've been lying about Jesus."
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He's not a sissy. He's
found this manly man.
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I came back the next week and
totally committed my life to the Lord
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and walked away from all the worldliness
and just got on fire for God.
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He's making himself a soldier of
Christ, until he comes home one day.
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And as he tells it, all
his things, his barbells,
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his car magazines,
are out on the street.
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And his stepmother has
given his dad an ultimatum.
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She says, "I don't want
a Jesus freak around."
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If you're feeling
broken and lonely,
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maybe you've run away from
home, and you feel all alone.
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If your family's falling apart,
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you feel like your parents
don't give a rip about you.
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He's telling this
story of being rejected
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by both his mother
and his father.
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I want you to know something,
that God loves you.
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The Bible says that in your
mother's womb, he created you.
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He knit you together.
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The family he finds for him
is the one that he built,
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ultimately of his own followers.
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I was so proud of so many
of you who committed to destroy
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all of your secular music.
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You got to lose some of your friends
that are causing you to be lukewarm.
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It's time for war, no more
Mr. Nice Guy. It's time for war.
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It's time to fight and win
the war for the souls of man.
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It grew very quickly to larger
churches, and then into stadiums.
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Teen Mania was really a bridge at
a critical moment in American life.
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He was trying to build what he
described as this army of God,
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this core of young folks
who were extra committed.
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They were, in his
vernacular, soldiers for God.
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They say, "Man, it was those
young people of the nineties.
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They did it, man. The gospel to the
ends of the earth. They did it."
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They then branded that
experience and said,
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"Oh, this isn't just
Ron Luce coming to speak
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at your youth group
as a guest speaker.
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This is now an event that we will
invite multiple youth groups to.
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We will come to your town. It
is a tour, it is an event."
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And then it becomes
Acquire the Fire.
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I remember being at my
youth pastor's house,
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and him pulling out a VHS
tape, putting it in and saying,
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"Let's watch this."
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And it was an Acquire the
Fire promotional video.
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Y'all need to give
it everything today.
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Welcome to Acquire the Fire!
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The Acquire the Fire is not just
a bunch of singing and preaching.
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We got bombs and video clips and...
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We got music, a live
band, live sketches.
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It's like a 21st century
presentation of the gospel.
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This is like a Christian atomic
explosion with teenagers.
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I didn't really
know what to expect.
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Everyone who talked about it,
everyone who'd been to it,
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was excited to go back.
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I think I was 12, the first
Acquire the Fire that I went to.
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These went
on all over America.
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I believe there was about
60 of them per year.
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I think I went to my first
Acquire the Fire when I was 11.
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I went to a lot of Acquire
the Fires as a kid.
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It was like the thing to
do with your youth group.
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You're going to see these cool bands
that you've never heard before.
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You're just immersed in music.
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I'm a professional musician,
probably because I went.
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Loved all of it.
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My first year, we had seats
in the very front row.
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Friday night was this...
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Ten, nine, eight...
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The lights went down.
There was this dramatic music.
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Remember, some Acquire the Fires,
he would show up on a motorcycle.
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-Yeah, that was cool.
-He's going to make an entrance.
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Ron Luce came on stage, and he
said something to the effect of,
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"Are you ready to rock
your face off for Jesus?"
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Acquire the Fire is like
Coachella for youth groups.
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-Oh, man.
-Christian youth groups.
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I remember the Newsboys played.
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Audio Adrenaline, Five Iron Frenzy,
all the big Christian bands.
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The music was such a big part
of it because the music inspires emotion.
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I mean, you see people in the
Taylor Swift concert sobbing.
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That is the same feeling
we had all the time,
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singing to actual God.
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I loved the dancing and the screaming.
Everyone's shouting together.
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Music's playing, lights are going,
there's been fire shooting off.
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It was so much different than regular
church or any other teen event
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that I'd gone to before, that
was very corny and cheesy.
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This was not hokey at all.
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The other thing
that's making it fun
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is that there really were kids
producing these events. Stadium shows.
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I mean, every role that you can think
of was being filled by teenagers.
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An army of interns.
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They were performing, setting
up, tearing down, selling merchandise,
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connecting with
the youth pastors.
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Pyrotechnics were the responsibility
of an 18-year-old kid, which is wild.
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Basically, I turn some keys and flip
the switches, and it all blows up.
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They were highly trained,
of course.
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Interns were the coolest people.
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They've got the headsets.
If you're 13 years old,
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that's certified,
that's official.
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Interns, you
guys are awesome.
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-Hey, interns!
-Thank you, all you interns.
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I don't know you guys,
obviously, but I love you all.
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I'm interning next year
with you. With you!
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It's an old cliche to say that
rock and roll is like a religion,
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but what it is,
is a mass ritual.
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But this is better
than a concert
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because he's giving you the
full range of experience.
462
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,672
You know, a stadium
full of teenagers.
463
00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:33,968
The air is thick with pheromones,
and so many things are happening.
464
00:26:34,051 --> 00:26:35,970
We can feel all these emotions.
465
00:26:36,053 --> 00:26:37,722
It's such a visceral experience.
466
00:26:37,805 --> 00:26:41,809
You get goosebumps or chills, and
you think that's the Holy Spirit.
467
00:26:43,728 --> 00:26:46,063
Ron Luce's preaching was
very dynamic and exciting.
468
00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:49,859
This morning, I'm going to ask
you to do something very courageous.
469
00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:54,071
It's time to have a passion and a fervor
that is so deep seated in your heart.
470
00:26:54,155 --> 00:26:56,741
God, I love you, and
nothing will shake me.
471
00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:59,076
I hate what's evil.
I hate what's wrong.
472
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,995
He's looking for
an army, people.
473
00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:03,248
You just knew that weekend, your
heart was gonna beat faster,
474
00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:04,290
the excitement was there.
475
00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:07,877
I was always looking forward to it because
of that energy that he always brought.
476
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,171
That's my commitment to
you, and when you do that...
477
00:27:10,254 --> 00:27:13,090
Ron Luce gave me permission
to be passionate.
478
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:16,302
And we'll just get to
where it's just insane.
479
00:27:16,385 --> 00:27:20,348
We'll get to where we're just
so full of God, it's insane.
480
00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:22,933
My heart is so
full of God that...
481
00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:29,106
Thank you for everything you do.
482
00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:31,984
I'm proud of you.
483
00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:36,447
It was the same kind of star
struck feeling you get for a celebrity.
484
00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:38,366
-Yeah.
-Just, oh, my gosh.
485
00:27:38,449 --> 00:27:42,745
I'm in the same presence as this
person that everyone thinks is cool.
486
00:27:42,828 --> 00:27:44,288
Everyone thinks is important.
487
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:47,792
After my first Acquire the Fire,
488
00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:53,381
I have a distinct memory of laying
on the floor in my cousin's bedroom,
489
00:27:53,464 --> 00:27:56,926
and I am telling her my
whole life is changed.
490
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,010
"It's not just hype."
491
00:27:58,094 --> 00:28:00,094
That was what they always
said. It's not just hype.
492
00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:07,436
And I found a place where I felt
like they understood the fact that...
493
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,523
I cared deeply about...
494
00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:12,775
...saving the world,
495
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:15,903
and they were saying, "Yes,
we can help you do that."
496
00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:18,614
And you can have
this deep meaning.
497
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,034
I think that was the thing that
Acquire the Fire really did well,
498
00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:22,952
was it always
inspired teenagers.
499
00:28:25,371 --> 00:28:27,832
It gave a sense of purpose
and a sense of belonging,
500
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,837
which is a basic human need.
501
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,882
Think deeply about
what I'm about to ask you.
502
00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:40,219
And then comes the altar call.
503
00:28:46,308 --> 00:28:51,897
It'd be a darkened auditorium.
There'd be a bright, white glowing cross.
504
00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:54,483
Ron Luce would have everybody
turn around in their seats,
505
00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:56,402
and be on their knees, praying.
506
00:28:56,485 --> 00:28:59,905
He would build it up and say, "Okay,
if you're making a commitment..."
507
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,409
I'm asking you to put
your old self on the cross
508
00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:08,497
because only when you die,
that you really begin to live.
509
00:29:10,708 --> 00:29:16,422
It was cry out in the
darkness, "I want the cross."
510
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,050
Take up your cross now.
511
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:28,100
I want the
cross! I want the cross!
512
00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:35,816
You need to get
right with God tonight.
513
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,612
This is your
opportunity, right now.
514
00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:43,240
Things will
get really serious.
515
00:29:43,866 --> 00:29:46,619
And if you know right
now, that in your heart,
516
00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:49,288
the spirit of God is telling
you that you should go,
517
00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:51,249
that you should help speed
up the return of Christ,
518
00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:54,012
Right now, I want you to lift your
hands, lift your hands right now.
519
00:29:56,337 --> 00:29:57,880
I remember crying a lot,
520
00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:01,926
to be surrounded by thousands of other
people who felt the same way as I did.
521
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,636
The excitement was really there.
522
00:30:04,637 --> 00:30:09,975
If you feel the Holy Spirit
tugging on your heart, come forward.
523
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:13,938
Goes into the whisper.
524
00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:18,192
I was on my knees, on
the floor, weeping.
525
00:30:18,901 --> 00:30:22,905
And you had kids crying, you had
people bringing things to the front.
526
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:25,199
At one point I think we
found birth control pills.
527
00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:28,244
We found things that
people were giving up,
528
00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,204
the things that
they were giving up.
529
00:30:33,082 --> 00:30:35,918
When you're sitting
there, and they're talking about
530
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:38,963
"God wants to forgive you for all
the bad things that you've done,"
531
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:43,467
and the thing is, at 12, I
hadn't done anything bad really.
532
00:30:45,469 --> 00:30:48,472
But I am just bawling over it,
533
00:30:48,556 --> 00:30:52,184
and begging God to forgive
me for not being good enough.
534
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:55,437
He has seen every
tear you've cried.
535
00:30:57,022 --> 00:31:01,569
He's going to put you back together.
I know, because he put me together.
536
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:06,532
You know,
acquire the fire.
537
00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:10,119
When God sets you on
fire, you are his vessel.
538
00:31:11,161 --> 00:31:15,749
You had all these kids here ready to
change the world and do something good.
539
00:31:18,002 --> 00:31:22,590
We were all ready to do whatever
it takes by any means necessary
540
00:31:22,673 --> 00:31:23,674
to just save the world.
541
00:31:25,593 --> 00:31:28,429
So what do you do
now that you're all fired up?
542
00:31:28,512 --> 00:31:30,764
Take your fire and
change the world.
543
00:31:30,848 --> 00:31:33,809
Teen Mania's global expeditions
take young people just like you
544
00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:35,372
all around the world,
every summer...
545
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:40,065
After the altar call, they
would talk about summer missions.
546
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:43,902
Anyone who was interested in
going would leave the auditorium.
547
00:31:43,986 --> 00:31:47,489
You would go, leave your seat,
go to that particular room.
548
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,408
They would show a video
about global expeditions.
549
00:31:49,491 --> 00:31:51,619
God wants to use you,
not just everybody else.
550
00:31:51,702 --> 00:31:53,704
He wants to use you, not just
to rescue your youth group,
551
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:55,706
not just other people,
other Christians in general.
552
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:58,042
He wants to use you
to change the world.
553
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:00,586
Get an application, fill it
out, choose a couple countries
554
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:02,713
you might want to go to and
get that thing in the mail.
555
00:32:02,796 --> 00:32:08,385
The project is spreading this
movement, which requires funds.
556
00:32:08,469 --> 00:32:09,929
And let me tell you what,
most young people say,
557
00:32:10,012 --> 00:32:12,723
"Well, I can never get the
money." You can get the money.
558
00:32:12,806 --> 00:32:13,974
Anybody can get the money.
559
00:32:14,058 --> 00:32:15,851
God doesn't have a problem
getting you the money.
560
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,395
You just got to find out
who's pocket is that money in.
561
00:32:19,063 --> 00:32:21,815
-I'm going to Paraguay.
-I'm going to Nicaragua.
562
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:24,360
-Albania!
-Chile!
563
00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:26,362
I'm going to Ukraine.
564
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:28,614
I'm going to El Salvador!
565
00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:32,201
Join Teen Mania for a
trip around the world!
566
00:32:36,163 --> 00:32:39,792
Teen Mania and Acquire the
Fire gave us the autonomy to say,
567
00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:43,629
"Oh, I can go to a place that's
not organized around my parents."
568
00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:49,176
And then they say, "Do you want to go
around the world without your parents?
569
00:32:49,259 --> 00:32:52,971
With the coolest 23 year
old you've ever met?"
570
00:32:53,055 --> 00:32:56,433
Yes, I want to go to that.
I want to go to there.
571
00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:58,560
Go for it! Get
out of your chair.
572
00:32:58,644 --> 00:33:01,230
Get out of the country,
leave town, get on a plane.
573
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,941
Go on a mission trip. It'll
fill you. It'll chill you.
574
00:33:04,024 --> 00:33:06,736
It'll thrill you, it'll turn you upside
down and then right side up again.
575
00:33:06,819 --> 00:33:10,280
It'll give you a vision, a sense of
destiny and purpose for your life.
576
00:33:10,364 --> 00:33:13,283
Go, ye, to all the
world and preach the gospel
577
00:33:13,367 --> 00:33:15,369
and make disciples
of the nations.
578
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,204
So that was the peak, right?
579
00:33:17,287 --> 00:33:20,249
It was very spiritual, and
it was also kind of awesome.
580
00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:29,049
So Teen Mania Ministries invited Dad
to write a song and film a music video
581
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:31,885
to promote global
expeditions recruitment.
582
00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:38,308
♪ I have a heart, I
have a voice I have a testimony ♪
583
00:33:38,392 --> 00:33:43,605
♪ I am a follower of Christ
He is the one and only ♪
584
00:33:43,689 --> 00:33:45,274
I could sing it.
585
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:49,194
♪ He is the one
and only way to heaven ♪
586
00:33:49,278 --> 00:33:53,741
♪ I want everyone to know, oh ♪
587
00:33:53,824 --> 00:33:59,705
-♪ I will tell the world ♪
-♪ He is returning ♪
588
00:34:00,289 --> 00:34:06,462
♪ Until everyone on
earth has heard ♪
589
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:11,800
♪ I will tell the world ♪
590
00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:20,184
My first experience on a Teen
Mania trip was going to Bolivia.
591
00:34:23,312 --> 00:34:27,315
Jesus has such an impact here.
It's incredible. It's incredible.
592
00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:31,445
My parents were trying to
convince me to go only for one month,
593
00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:35,866
and I was like, "No, no, no, I'm serious.
I go for two months in the summer."
594
00:34:37,284 --> 00:34:39,286
I was like, "More
people will be saved."
595
00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:42,623
I went to Juarez, Mexico.
596
00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:45,375
I was an interpreter at
a children's orphanage.
597
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:50,672
The main way of evangelizing
on these trips is through dramas.
598
00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:54,259
We have costumes and makeup,
and we act out a drama
599
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:57,763
that's set to music and the native
language of whatever country we're in.
600
00:34:57,846 --> 00:35:00,057
You see, this drama is
a picture of the truth.
601
00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:03,769
I was playing the
Pirate King, a lead.
602
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:07,439
I was the Latin dancer.
603
00:35:07,523 --> 00:35:11,151
My character follows Jesus, but not
before getting beaten by the devil.
604
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,655
There was always a drama
with a Jesus character.
605
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,742
Every picture I've ever seen
of anybody's mission trip,
606
00:35:18,826 --> 00:35:21,161
the Jesus character is always
a blond, good looking boy.
607
00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,918
I was a Christian
mime, the mime troupe.
608
00:35:29,211 --> 00:35:30,796
And the mimes
are the set pieces,
609
00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:33,465
and so they've got to be
like completely still.
610
00:35:34,341 --> 00:35:38,428
During dramas, the team leaders would
tell the mimes, "You cannot move."
611
00:35:38,512 --> 00:35:41,723
Like if you move to wipe
sweat out of your eye,
612
00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,934
you could distract someone,
and then they won't hear
613
00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:46,257
the message of the gospel,
and then they will go to hell.
614
00:35:48,564 --> 00:35:49,648
"Do you want somebody
to go to hell
615
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,851
just because you couldn't
hold it for another minute?"
616
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:56,947
That's what's going through your
mind when you're holding these poses.
617
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:59,783
The pressure literally of the
world is like on your shoulders,
618
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,369
and you're like, "I can't
move. I got to hold up."
619
00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:08,917
I internalized the idea of
people are going to hell.
620
00:36:09,001 --> 00:36:12,754
It is eternal suffering beyond
your possible comprehension.
621
00:36:12,838 --> 00:36:15,799
You can actually do something
to stop that from happening.
622
00:36:15,883 --> 00:36:21,597
And so the only moral and ethical decision
was to participate in this movement.
623
00:36:22,806 --> 00:36:24,433
Numbers were
very important.
624
00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:26,435
They wanted to report
at the end of the summer
625
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:28,645
-how many people had been saved.
-Yes!
626
00:36:28,729 --> 00:36:30,063
Look at the difference you made.
627
00:36:30,147 --> 00:36:32,816
In four ministry days, we
had over 700 salvations.
628
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:34,568
Over 900 people were saved.
629
00:36:35,611 --> 00:36:37,613
Ron was always
telling his kids,
630
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,573
"You're world changers,
you're world changers."
631
00:36:39,656 --> 00:36:42,034
For a lot of them, it
worked. They believed it.
632
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:46,079
Everyone in the village came up,
and the whole village was saved.
633
00:36:46,163 --> 00:36:48,665
They were tearing down
their temples and like...
634
00:36:48,749 --> 00:36:51,835
building churches in their
places. And it was just amazing!
635
00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:57,382
All of the millions of people who weren't
so lucky to see a mime troupe of teens,
636
00:36:57,466 --> 00:37:00,552
I guess they're all just burning
in hell for all eternity.
637
00:37:00,636 --> 00:37:01,970
Sorry about that.
638
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,016
We also smuggled Bibles.
639
00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:08,852
Some girls would have dresses,
and they'd have little pockets.
640
00:37:08,936 --> 00:37:10,437
They put them under
their dresses.
641
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,898
Some people would put them
in bags, under things.
642
00:37:12,981 --> 00:37:15,734
What kind of things have you
seen happen during your trip this year?
643
00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:17,861
We have seen tremendous
miracles of healings,
644
00:37:17,945 --> 00:37:21,531
eyes that were all messed up,
coming clear and legs growing out.
645
00:37:21,615 --> 00:37:27,621
It was just so neat that God used us to
pray for this lady, and she could see.
646
00:37:27,704 --> 00:37:28,704
It was really neat.
647
00:37:30,332 --> 00:37:33,627
There was a woman, one of her legs
was much shorter than the other,
648
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:37,464
and someone in our group said, "We're
supposed to pray for her leg to grow out."
649
00:37:39,091 --> 00:37:40,884
And we had been praying.
650
00:37:41,677 --> 00:37:44,846
We're so intense, and we were
praying, but God wasn't healing her.
651
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:47,057
And then you go,
"When do we stop?"
652
00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,980
I just remember feeling so embarrassed
that her leg didn't grow back.
653
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:56,733
Why didn't it happen? I had faith,
I guess I didn't have enough faith.
654
00:37:57,567 --> 00:37:59,403
And I felt so guilty.
655
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,657
Sacrifice itself
became almost a goal.
656
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,410
So we would have the street dramas
where people are mock-beaten.
657
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:11,289
And you would get students who
were doing like ascetic elements.
658
00:38:11,373 --> 00:38:14,293
We would have students who say, "Well,
I'm not going to wear my kneepads."
659
00:38:16,086 --> 00:38:19,881
"I'm going to go hard for the gospel.
I'm going to physically suffer more."
660
00:38:21,341 --> 00:38:24,761
The motto was, "Die
empty every day."
661
00:38:28,432 --> 00:38:31,143
This is a very safe trip
for your young people.
662
00:38:31,226 --> 00:38:35,105
I have three children and just had my
third little child just a few weeks ago.
663
00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:37,691
And I'm very conscientious
about sending,
664
00:38:37,774 --> 00:38:40,110
parents sending their
babies to another country.
665
00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:43,447
And I go to these different countries
during the summer, and I see young people
666
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,033
just like yours on the mission
field, 13 and 14 and 15 years old.
667
00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:49,202
And I go, you know,
somebody trusted God enough
668
00:38:49,286 --> 00:38:52,789
to let us have their babies for
a month, to let God use them.
669
00:38:52,873 --> 00:38:54,374
And we don't take
that trust lightly.
670
00:38:56,126 --> 00:38:59,880
I was in rural India. I
started feeling really sick.
671
00:39:01,131 --> 00:39:04,259
But we had this book called
Where There Is No Doctor.
672
00:39:04,968 --> 00:39:07,471
So it says this is how you dress a
wound. This is how you fix a broken bone.
673
00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:10,557
Here's how you do a head injury.
Here's how you deliver a baby.
674
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,852
And the book says, "It
might be appendicitis."
675
00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:20,817
I had emergency appendectomy
in Hyderabad, India.
676
00:39:20,901 --> 00:39:24,863
The approach to my appendicitis
was, let's say it was vintage.
677
00:39:25,572 --> 00:39:29,034
They opened me up about nine
inches, take out my appendix,
678
00:39:29,117 --> 00:39:32,871
sew it back up, that proceeds
to get massively infected.
679
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:34,623
And I develop a case of Mersa.
680
00:39:37,167 --> 00:39:42,089
I'm leaking infection, but Mom and Dad
aren't getting like real information.
681
00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:43,172
"Oh, Phil's fine."
682
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:48,804
But there's a parent volunteer
who had been taking care of him,
683
00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:51,348
and she got a hold
of our mom and said,
684
00:39:51,431 --> 00:39:55,060
"You need to meet him at the
airport with an ambulance
685
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:59,815
and go to the hospital as soon
as he arrives in the country.
686
00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:02,234
And eventually they put
me on commercial flight
687
00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,444
at the end of the month
to fly back with the team.
688
00:40:04,528 --> 00:40:06,613
And I spent three weeks in
the hospital after that,
689
00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:11,284
with a 600 milliliter abscess
that had to be drained.
690
00:40:11,368 --> 00:40:16,289
My doctor, his baritone, just goes,
"What the hell were you doing in India?"
691
00:40:16,373 --> 00:40:20,544
And I was like, "I was telling
people about Jesus."
692
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:26,925
The call went out to pray. Ray
Boltz's son might be dying.
693
00:40:30,053 --> 00:40:32,180
So Ron Luce comes by to visit.
694
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:35,308
You know, the guy in charge.
695
00:40:35,392 --> 00:40:40,147
I was very excited, even in
my fevered, bedraggled state.
696
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:44,693
I had this little guest book,
and he writes Galatians six.
697
00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:46,862
"I bare on my body
the marks of Christ."
698
00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:49,948
And he changes it to "the
marks of the world changer".
699
00:40:51,658 --> 00:40:55,078
And it's silly to get like
choked up a lot over it.
700
00:40:55,162 --> 00:40:57,289
But I thought, "Oh!
701
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:01,960
Like this has value, this
suffering has worth."
702
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:06,923
They tell you you're elite,
you're changing the world.
703
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:12,012
The real outcome of these trips,
they are creating soldiers.
704
00:41:12,095 --> 00:41:15,056
Eventually, I mean,
you just got to say,
705
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:18,351
"Okay, God, whatever
you have coming for me."
706
00:41:18,435 --> 00:41:20,312
I felt like I'm going to
go further and harder.
707
00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:21,980
I'm going to give
more of myself.
708
00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:26,693
And so I started saying, "Oh, I
think I want to do the internship."
709
00:41:31,948 --> 00:41:35,994
The Honor Academy, a one year
internship for committed young adults
710
00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:40,457
who are driven to find their purpose
and make a difference with their lives.
711
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:43,960
The three main branches of Teen Mania
were the Acquire the Fire events,
712
00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:46,421
Global Expeditions. That was where
they got a lot of their revenue.
713
00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:49,257
And then the third part
was the Honor Academy.
714
00:41:51,051 --> 00:41:53,887
I think a real pivot point
for Teen Mania and for Ron Luce
715
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:57,432
was the development of what
he calls the Honor Academy,
716
00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,518
this sort of training school, this
finishing school for his elite.
717
00:42:00,602 --> 00:42:03,521
This is a period in time
when televangelists decide,
718
00:42:03,605 --> 00:42:04,940
"I need my own college."
719
00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:10,904
Liberty University and Regent University,
and Ron is thinking along those lines.
720
00:42:11,905 --> 00:42:15,116
So Teen Mania
Campus was in Lindale, Texas,
721
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,619
which is in the
middle of nowhere.
722
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:19,996
It was this enormous
East Texas property.
723
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,542
He's training young people,
but he also needs a core of labor.
724
00:42:24,626 --> 00:42:28,296
I mean, there's just real
practical work that needs doing.
725
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:29,339
So he'll get students.
726
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:34,177
You're going to go there to learn,
and you're also going to go there
727
00:42:34,261 --> 00:42:37,681
to produce Teen Mania, and you're
going to pay for that opportunity.
728
00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:41,559
-It's an internship.
-When I graduated high school,
729
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:45,772
it just seemed like the natural next
step to me to go to the Honor Academy.
730
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,525
It's going to be like
Acquire the Fire 24-7.
731
00:42:48,608 --> 00:42:50,026
It's going to be awesome.
732
00:42:50,694 --> 00:42:53,989
Going to a place where everybody else
was like me and was just as obsessed
733
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:58,827
with being bold for Jesus and being
on fire and changing the world.
734
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:02,080
Those were my people. That's
who I wanted to be with.
735
00:43:03,123 --> 00:43:08,253
But the idea that this
could somehow be bad for me,
736
00:43:09,087 --> 00:43:11,881
that doesn't even
really enter your mind.
737
00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:17,846
And I got there, and it was definitely
different than what I expected.
738
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:32,319
But let me ask you something, what are
you willing to give up for the Lord?
739
00:43:32,402 --> 00:43:35,155
What is your life?
740
00:43:35,864 --> 00:43:38,783
The time may come when God is
going to ask us all to give up
741
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:43,204
the comforts that we enjoy and go
to live for him in a different way.
742
00:43:43,288 --> 00:43:45,248
We don't know what
is down the road,
743
00:43:45,332 --> 00:43:48,043
but it seems like some heartache
and suffering is in store.
744
00:43:54,924 --> 00:43:58,303
We were believers, but we
knew something was weird.
745
00:43:58,386 --> 00:44:00,805
I was a teenage
telemarketer, for Jesus.
746
00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:04,559
It was the same lesson plan
every class, obedience.
747
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,519
There was no questioning
of authority.
748
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:09,689
Suddenly, some people in
military garb told us to run.
749
00:44:10,857 --> 00:44:11,816
That was crazy.
750
00:44:13,902 --> 00:44:19,032
I didn't know that Teen Mania
had done anything wrong for a long time.
751
00:44:19,783 --> 00:44:21,826
I thought that I
was the problem.
752
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:25,538
They were taught terror and
taught to pass it along.
753
00:44:25,622 --> 00:44:30,168
We were at war. We were going
to rise up with a battle cry.
754
00:44:30,251 --> 00:44:32,128
Let me hear your
battle cry tonight.
755
00:44:33,713 --> 00:44:36,966
I didn't hear you, let me
hear your battle cry tonight!
756
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:40,178
I started seeing Ron align more
with the political movement.
757
00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:43,848
We've got virgin, teenage America,
being raped on the sidewalk.
758
00:44:43,932 --> 00:44:44,849
If you build that army,
759
00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:47,602
eventually you have to give
them their marching orders.
760
00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,981
We're here as teenagers just to stand
up, as the leaders of this cultural war.
761
00:44:52,065 --> 00:44:54,776
When you join the military,
you lose your whole identity.
762
00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:56,861
Well, the same thing happens
when we're in Christ.
763
00:44:56,945 --> 00:44:58,863
We need to strip off
the old identity.
764
00:44:58,947 --> 00:45:00,547
I'm not going to
survive if I stay here.
765
00:45:01,157 --> 00:45:04,828
I was going to come in and
quell this attack from Satan.
766
00:45:04,911 --> 00:45:07,747
Oh, really? You're going to
deny that this happened to me?
767
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:12,419
They were raising martyrs, and
they were recruiting children.
768
00:45:13,128 --> 00:45:14,838
You were expendable.
769
00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:18,633
And maybe the most valuable
thing you could ever do is die.
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