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Start the clock.

I appreciate that. We have a wonderful
show.

Okay, all right.

Thank you.

I love your back.

All that stuff.

I know it's a little reclaimed. I know
it's our last show of the season.

It's our... I know it's our Thanksgiving
show. I've already started my baking.

No, I'm going to do it myself this year,
Thanksgiving. I am.

I probably should not have asked GTP how
to do it. I asked him, how do you roast

a turkey?

He said, tell it it looks like a chicken
who can't afford Ozempic.

Yeah,

we always have our little winter break.
We will come back in January, as always.

We were back January 23rd. Mark said in
your book.

And when we do come back, this all will
be an incredible ballroom.

I just want to... I...

I did the president. Oh, boy, did you...

It was Muslim week at the White House
this week.

No, for...

First he had Mohammed bin Salman, the
crown prince of Saudi Arabia, the only

who walks into the White House and goes,
not enough gold.

But yes, you know Mohammed bin Salman,
they call him MBS,

he was there at the White House. Nothing
to do with politics, it was just with

Thanksgiving approaching, Trump thought,
who better to carve the turkey?

I kid the Saudis, you know.

There was that little unpleasantness
with O'Shea -ing the reporter.

But, you know.

But Trump loved this guy. Oh, what a
bromance these two have.

Get a room, you two. I mean, Jesus.

Trump was showing him around the Oval
Office. He showed him the, you know,

has that model of a 747. He shows
everybody.

And Mohammed bin Laden was very
impressed with it. He said, that's

We can't wait to fly it into something.

No, they had a... Now,

MBS, he's not officially the head of
state, so it couldn't be a state dinner,

but they gave him a great big dinner. It
was, in effect, a state dinner, you

know, where they had, like, celebrities.

You know who was there for the big
dinner? Christian Ronaldo, the soccer

The Saudis love soccer, because it's the
one sport you can play after they chop

your hands off.

And then today, you know who was there
today at the White House?

Mindami, the new mayor of New York.

And Trump said to him, I don't
understand you guys.

Why wait for the afterlife to enjoy the
72 virgins? That's what Jeffrey

Epstein's are for on Earth.

It is amazing.

I mean, I don't want to tip my thing at
the end of the show, but this is exactly

what I'm going to be talking about. He
met him in person, Mandami, and great

meeting. I mean, the night before, just
like the night before I went there, he's

an asshole, he's a shithead, you know,
he's a communist.

Trump, he's a great guy, great meeting.
He said, you know, they asked him, you

know, what about the communist things?
Well, you know, he said, maybe he'll

change. My views have changed.

Trump said, I'd love to live in New York
under this guy. He might be a great

mayor. See, that's what it is. You've
got to talk to people and negotiate.

I mean, they're New Yorkers, you know.

They negotiated.

Mondami, they've got something they
want.

Mondami wanted Trump's help on
affordability issues, yes, and Trump

guarantee that he can still stand in the
middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot

someone.

Oh, I did. Always with love.

But yeah, I mean, the Trump, oh, Epstein
thinks Trump did a total 180. Last

week, we were all talking about, he
won't release the files. This week, it's

like, well, the Epstein files. Oh, sure,
we're going to release those.

So they are going to release the Epstein
files. But, you know, always the fine

print. They're going to be redacted. So,
you know, people are already saying,

what's the point? Epstein got away with
it. Well.

Got away with having sex with young
underage girls. He hung himself in his

cell. I'm not sure that means getting
away with something David

Bowie he

got away with

Trump is very touchy about the Epstein
thing, since a reporter asked him, did

you see this this week, I think it was
on Air Force One, brought up that issue,

and Trump said to this woman reporter,
he said to her, quiet, piggy.

Quiet, piggy. And then, listen to this.
At the press conference the next day,

his press secretary, Carolyn Leavitt,
spun this by saying, it's actually

admirable.

He said, it's the president being frank
and open and honest. That's good.

Well, in that case, shut up, bitch.

I mean, I'm telling you,

if you go near this Epstein thing, he
does not like it. I mean, Marjorie

Greene was his biggest ally, and then
she was, you know, all in on, we got to

get the Epstein files. And this week,
Trump went nuts on her. She's a

She's a disgrace.

She's wacky. She's a ranting lunatic.

All I can say is, Marjorie, welcome to
the club.

All right, we've got a wonderful show
for our finale. Donna Brazile and

Render, Killer Mike, are here.

But first up, my first guest is a true
phenomenon in the world of life

improvement. She is host of the Mel
Robbins podcast and author of the number

bestselling book, The Let Them Theory, a
life -changing tool that millions of

people can't stop talking about. True
dat. Mel Robbins is over here.

I know everybody wants you on their
show. They do?

You know they do. And you came here. I
can't tell you how much I appreciate

that. Oh, really? Well, thank you.

Wow.

We know this is true.

I mean, to say your book is a phenomenon
is an understatement. I mean, this is

an era where people don't read anymore.
I know, yes.

Somebody said to me the other day, oh,
you know, Barnes & Noble, I always see

people there. Yeah, they're buying a cat
calendar.

And the let them theory.

And the let them theory. Yes. I mean,
the numbers are just... Off the charts.

If I went into the bookstore, would it
be under self -help? Is that still a

that they use? Do you not like that
term? Do you not care? Is it still self

-help? Let them. I don't care what they
call it as long as people read it.

Let them, yes.

Okay.

But, I mean, that is one of the more
popular sections in the bookstore, and

there's a lot of people.

Why did your message resonate so much
more than all the other people who were

working that side of the street?

Well, I'll tell you why. There's a
number of reasons. First of all, it's a

freaking book. Like, as you read it, you
can get through it in a day and a half.

It's hilarious and profound.

Right. And it works.

And you don't need to buy the book. I'm
going to tell you how to use the theory.

The theory is so simple. It basically is
this. The fastest way to lower your

stress. and to have more peace and
control in your life is stop trying to

control everybody else.

Let them have their opinions, their
behavior, and take all the power and

that you've been wasting on other people
and bring it back here and let me focus

on my thoughts, my actions, and the way
that I want to live my life. And life

gets very simple and a lot more
peaceful, and you feel more powerful and

control.

And so that's how you use it. Four
words, let them and let me. But here's

works. It reduces the number one source
of stress, Bill, in everybody's life,

and that's other people. Other people
are so annoying.

Right? Their opinions, their close
talking, their judgments, their

And the more you try to control them,
the less control you feel.

And it's much easier to say, let them.

It is. And it's also the other reason
why this thing is spread around the

is when you start to read it, I'm the
villain in the book. I'm the control

that's really irritating.

You're either going to see yourself or
somebody you love. And so you start to

read it and you feel better about your
boss who you hate. You feel better that

traffic isn't getting to you. And then
you start to go, oh, my God, my mother

needs this. My sister needs this.

And so everybody is not only reading it,
Bill, they're giving it to their

families. And here's what I love.

We all love saying let them.

There's an Irish version of this. I'm
not going to say what it is. F them.

Right?

Right? You can say that on basic TV now.
Right. That's true.

That's true. This is fucking HBO.

That's true. Okay. So, you know, fuck
them is the Irish version of this. And

when you're like, let them, let them,
let them, you feel superior.

But then what happens is you now have to
figure out, okay, what do I do? I

realize my siblings never call me back,
and I make all the effort.

Let them. My friends always go out
without me and they don't invite me. My

is rude to me and I don't like my job.
Let them, let them, let them. But now

what? Now you say, let me. Let me choose
how I'm going to respond to the reality

that I'm dealing with.

And that's where you take your control
back. And what I love about this.

Bill, and I love about people using it,
is that you first start using it because

you are annoyed with other people. I
mean, we have families because it

you how to love people you hate
sometimes.

And that's also why people get married.
It teaches you that.

But as you start to say let them, you're
forcing yourself to learn how to accept

people as they are and as they're not.

And you have to confront how judgmental
you are of the other people in your life

and learn how to let them be who they
are, let them have the dignity of their

own experience, And you start to
recognize how much time and energy you

over the headlines, over people's
expectations, over traffic. And it's

because your time and energy.

But not everything is a let them case,
right? Everything is.

If you're being sexually harassed at the
office, that's not a let them? Okay,

well, here's what it is. Let them do it?
Well, no, because they've already done

it. So when you say let them, you're not
allowing it. You're forcing yourself to

recognize the situation you're in.

and that you're not going to change
what's happening by trying to change

You have to take the power and go, okay,
well, let me recognize this is the

situation I'm in. Let me stop
gaslighting myself and making excuses

sticking around and beating myself up
and let me remind myself that I

get to choose what I do next. Am I going
to HR?

Am I leaving this job? Am I hiring an
attorney?

All of the energy that you're spending
complaining about it, worrying about it,

beating yourself up, telling yourself
there's nothing you can do, there's

something you can do.

But that would be more like stop them
than let them.

Sometimes let them has to be stop them,
no? Of course. In situations where it's

dangerous or discriminatory or
somebody's getting hurt, of course you

and stop them if that's your values.

Because the number one rule is you can't
change another person. People only

change. when they're ready to change for
themselves.

Here you go.

Oh, yeah.

I've learned not the hard way. Yes, you
all have, Bill. You all have.

Yeah. Well, I mean, your life was the
hard way. I mean, you came from

places that most people haven't been.
Deep in debt, drinking, day drinking.

Well, wasn't that what you were doing
today?

Not drinking.

And I don't, people think I smoke before
the show. I don't smoke right before

the show. That would be wrong.

Well, my husband was like, okay, Mel, I
know let them, but don't smoke before

the show, smoke after. I don't want you
to embarrass yourself on television.

Killer Mike's here. Trust me, it's going
to happen.

Okay. But before we run out of time,
let's get to the other part of it

it's not just let them, it's let me.
Yes. And you are very adamant in the

over and over. You make the point one
does not work without the other.

So let's make sure people understand
what the let me part of it is. Right. So

once you start saying let them and you
protect your time and energy from other

people and you also force yourself to
accept people as they are, you're never

going to change your mom or dad. You've
got to learn to let them be who they

are. It'll reduce so much pressure in
your life. Now pull it back here and

let me.

Like, take the holidays. If you're going
to go home and spend time with your

family, stop gripping the wheel hoping
it's different.

These people have been the same their
whole lives.

So when you start going, let them,
right, you are forcing yourself to

they are who they are. They have their
opinions.

I'm just going to let them be. Now let
me remind myself, I get to choose what I

think about this. I get to choose how
much time and energy I spend here. I

you can get up from a dining room table.

You can get out of a text chain.

You can divert a conversation away from
a topic.

You're not a victim here. You're in
control of what you do in response.

And if you look at this is how you take
responsibility for your life. This is

how you change things for the better.
And responsibility, Bill, is the ability

to respond.

That's what that word means. I mean, I
feel you're doing my work here for me.

This is like a theme show.

This is, I mean, again, this is going to
be the end of my show. It's every year

at Thanksgiving I have to do basically
the same theme, which is telling people,

don't cut off your family. No. It's just
terrible.

And, you know, and I said this a few
weeks, a few months ago, we did an

editorial here on the show where I
talked about Trump and the fact that

are things that really still I am very
adamant about and I will never stop

talking about.

There are other things.

Where I just, it's like in meditation
where they say, just let the cloud pass.

You know, like I see so many people are
upset about him building a ballroom. I

could give a fuck.

I don't give a shit about his fucking
ball. Well, I give a fuck because we're

paying for it, whether you vote or not.

No, we're not. No, we're not paying for
it.

It's private.

First of all, even if we did... Well,
it's already bulldozed, so any time

there's been burning up about it, it's
already happened.

You have to decide what are you going to
do in response to it. And it's not the

thing I want to concentrate on. Okay,
that's the point. There are so many

things. That's the point.

consequential, that I don't like him
doing. And they tried to gin everybody

about, well, they're knocking down the
White House. They've changed the White

House before.

And the White House does actually need a
ballroom.

You know, we're a big country.

We were having state dinners, and people
were, like, under a tent.

I've had better parties than that.

So I am not, you know, but... I still do
think you have to choose your battles.

You have to pick what you get. Yes. So
if this were the dining room table and

you're saying something that pisses me
off, right?

I'm not suggesting that that pisses me
off, but you're at a dining room table

with your family.

You get to choose how much energy that
opinion takes up up here.

You get to choose whether or not you
allow it to burn you up inside. You get

choose whether or not you're going to
engage.

And so what I love about Let Them and
Let Me is all day long you have this

and dice that you can do where you force
yourself and allow yourself to

recognize what's in your control and
what's not.

And when it comes to opinions and
families, I agree with you.

The thing that's separating us is our
inability to sit with each other.

and allow each other the dignity of
their own experience and opinion, even

offends us.

Instead of leaning away, we have to
learn how to sit with our upsetness and

toward each other and go, well, why
might you believe that? Right, exactly.

me understand that.

So I think I have a self -help book in
me. I'm never going to write it.

But I was reading about... Gen Z. And I
don't blame them. They are full of

anxiety. And this article was, well, AI.
They think it's going to take all their

jobs.

Robots might kill us all.

You know, Trump.

There's going to be no jobs left.

Nuclear stuff.

Climate change. My book would be called,
It's Not Going to Be That.

Because...

Then what's it going to be?

At 70, what I've learned in life is
whatever you think the future is, it

be shitty.

It's not going to be what you think it
is. So stop with the anxiety and just

live your life.

Because it's not going to be that.

That's why I prick on you always.

Well, here's what I believe. I believe
that we don't know what it's going to

And if you're going to bother going,
what if, what if, what if, you might as

well also go, well, what if it all works
out? What if I'm more capable than I

know? Right, exactly.

Anyway, again, I know everybody wants
you and you came here. It means so much

me. It's perfect for our Thanksgiving
show. I hope you do it again.

Congratulations on the biggest book
ever.

No Robbins.

Well, to me, Sue, I hope I get to smoke
with you.

I appreciate that. Thank you. All right,
let's move to our panel.

Okay.

Oh, my.

Here they are.

All right, he is an entrepreneur and
Grammy -winning, I'll say, musician,

known as one half of Run the Jewels and
host of the Conversate with Killer Mike

podcast. Killer Mike is over here.

He is an ABC News contributor, veteran
political strategist, and former chair

the DNC. My girlfriend Donna Brazile is
over here.

How are you?

Hey, Bill. Okay.

Here we go.

I love it, baby. And the first time you
really acknowledged our relationship.

I mean, it's, you know. I couldn't hold
it anymore. I mean, that self -help

session really allowed you to have a
breakthrough.

And if I'm invited over, I'll bake and
roast your turkey.

And you know what they say, once you go
black,

honey, you'll never go back.

I'll put some in your stuffing that will
keep you lit up.

Okay. Tell them what happened when the
black woman put her greasy hands in the

bowl and what comes out. When I took
them to the blue flame, you were all I

could talk about.

Okay,

look, I know I'm not really needed here
tonight.

You know, I do understand that, but just
until next season when we'll have the

new owners here, let them, whoever's
going to buy this network, let them

have some place.

You know, we're all about job security.

We're going to help you, baby. But it is
our finale for the year. We will be

back June 23rd. It's the one time I get
to thank my staff. You know, we're very

no to the grind zone group here.

And we don't, I probably should do it
myself better, but we somehow are easier

to say we appreciate each other, and I
do appreciate them so much and what they

do and how brilliant they are.

Somehow it's easy to say it on the air
than in private.

But I want to ask you two, since we are
looking now to 2026, we will not be on

again until 2026.

That is going to be, I keep saying
Democrats are going to win big. The

power, they always do it. They get drunk
with power.

And then people, it creates this
backlash.

Certainly this administration has done
that.

So let's just go through who might be
the frontrunner, because we are going

in 2026, pretty by then, I think, know
who was going to

be the Democratic nominee.

Who do you think the Democratic nominee
should be for president, and who do you

want it to be?

I'll let this young man go first.

Get your ass in trouble. Yeah, yeah.

Shake up the party.

Come on. Shake it up.

Shake it up, Mike.

I'm going to just bring the old Jewish
guy back up, but he's never going to run

again. Shout out to Bernie.

If the Democrats were the party that
truly say they aspire to be, Nina Turner

would be the first black woman
president, first woman president. She'd

most progressive president that we've
seen in the last 20, 25 years. I've lost

lot of my faith in what we say we want
versus what we actually want. And I see

the Democratic frontrunner probably
being a white man, probably coming out

Midwest. What's my guy in Illinois?

J .B. Pritzker. J .B. Pritzker is
probably going to be, I think that

leaning toward white mail them. I think
that there's something. Why do we have

to put it in terms of that? Because I'm
black.

And it all comes down to that, to be
very honest with you. If you want to see

litmus test for how this country is
going to bend, look at any given moment

it's treating black or working class
people.

A lot of times, white working class
people forget they're black, too. Then

get a black moment. They're like, oh,
shit, we're all in the same boat

What I mean by that is, when I was a
kid, I thought that you couldn't put U

Army and ICE and shit in American
neighborhoods, yet here we are.

what's your fucking name, Santiago? It's
my middle name. And I'm just like, I

promise my mom just got off a wine
bottle. I'm not from south of the

But what... I think that this country...

Sanders said at the end of his last
campaign, we need to pay attention to

white working class. A lot of people in
my community took that offensively as

though he was ignoring us. And he
wasn't. What he saw was the white

class was going to turn the tide. And
they did. And they went to the wrong

And that being realized now, I think
that they're going to be looking for

another white man. I think he's going to
have to identify with some working

class. So the Democrats just can't.

We can't just pick the best person.
Because I feel like when they get into

box -checking thing. Yeah. It just leads
them astray because, like, Kamala was

like, okay, we had to have someone of
color, we had to have a woman, and then

when she gets the job, then she has to
go the other direction and pick as vice

president a lame white guy.

We are so lame white guys.

Okay, so we're always balancing it out
instead of just... As someone who's

probably worked on more campaigns than I
like to admit, we don't really pick...

candidates that way. We don't go and
look in a crayon box and say, oh, I

wait to get that little one. No.

We actually have a very rigorous
exercise that involves taking candidates

through the early stage.

And Trump made it through that?

Trump can make it through anything.

OK, we know that. But on the Democratic
side, yes, we're going to have a

vigorous primary. It's an open season.
And you know what happens in open

We get a large number of people who are
interested.

So, of course, we will have about eight
or nine governors, including Mr.

Shapiro, possibly Mr.

Moore and maybe Mr. Newsom. We don't
know. But there are many governors who

interested. Gretchen Whitman, because I
want to mention some of the women. Women

are not going to sit back and wait to
be. calls. We are going to continue to

march forward. We might also look at
members of Congress. AOC is interested.

Maybe Ro Khanna is interested.

We have United States senators, some
who've run before, like Klobuchar, like

Booker, like Chris Murphy, who might
also decide to run. It's going to be an

open season. We will have plenty of time
to really go through it. But I agree

with one thing you said.

It's going to be a great year for
Democrats because the American people

time.

They're tired of the overreach.

They're tired of the overreach, and
they're going to look for alternatives.

just any Democrats.

And let me say one last thing. I'm going
to get myself in trouble. Please help

me out.

We're going to have a generational shift
in our country.

Democrats have been for years. We like
the candidate with the most experience,

most gray hair.

Bullshit.

We want somebody who is forward
-looking, who's young and restless,

for tomorrow with one life to live
because the American people want

different. Did I put it all together for
you, baby?

As you always do.

And I'm open to dating a young man. I
can date anybody now, okay?

You know, bring it on.

My pot is big enough.

I'm not talking about that stuff you're
going to do later. I'm talking about...

Oh, I know.

I know. I've never seen you blush this
much.

I... Are you going to smoke weed with us
later and keep talking like that? Well,

is it legal?

No. Yes.

No, but I still... I'm from Georgia. I'm
still scared.

What's up with them trying to ban
marijuana now? Like, Trump, we thought

you. Yeah. Like, they're going to get
rid of it? Well, he's talked about both.

He's also said we're going to change it.
It's not going to be a Schedule 1

anymore. Yeah, let's do that. I like
that one. Well, this is, again, why it's

good for people like me to talk to him.
Yeah.

And you have an open invitation, right?

You have an open invitation to go back
to the White House.

No. Are you sure?

I mean, it's...

It depends on the week. I mean, you
know, he still yells at me. Oh.

Yeah. I mean, he doesn't. He yells at
everybody. I know, but. But he's never

called you piggy because I know he
wouldn't call you piggy. No, he's called

Are you kidding? I have a list of 56
insults that he has called me over the

years. I brought it to the White House
and he signed it.

Yeah.

I mean, it's an amazing document.

But, I mean, that list of people.

What do you think of somebody way
outside the realm? Because I think, I

you say they want somebody younger. I
think we're like post -politician era.

I actually think Stephen A. Smith is
kind of realistic.

For president?

Yeah. Well, he talks about it. Or people
talk about it. No, LeBron fans are

going to vote for him.

It's not going to be. I love Stephen A.
He's won great as a Republican, I think.

But I don't think he's won well as a
Democrat.

Oh, I do. I do. I think the Democrats
need somebody who doesn't give a shit.

And that's him, who will say the thing.

I like him. He talks bad shit. Yeah, he
does.

And also, you know what?

It is good to have a Democratic Party, a
black person, because they can... But

why you got to talk about nigger shit?

I'll just break you off. I'll just break
you off.

I'll tell you why.

It's the way Obama was able to be a
centrist.

able to be more of a centrist. A black
guy. In the Democratic Party.

Because Democrats are very, the white
Democrats are very afraid of being

racist. That's why we wound up with open
borders and stuff like that.

And they can, I mean, Stephen A. Smith
can go, have you all lost your goddamn

mind? In a way that Pritzker cannot.

Well, maybe he would add to the sauce.

I don't think he has all the necessary.

I think you've got to think outside the
box at this point. I am thinking as far

outside as I possibly can. And I like
him. I like him, especially on ESPN when

he talks sports. Just leave my damn New
Orleans things alone. I know they're

shitty, but that's nobody's business.
They're our business.

He does bring in, and I wore this today
just to show solidarity with the working

class in this country. I think he
resonates with the working class.

And I think, I do think, and the reason
I said it's Christmas, I think that

Americans are going to want to lean into
someone. He's willing to call Democrats

on their shit, too.

Charlemagne Tha God would make a great
president. We need that.

All right, so we always do this.

Before we have a break, people rely on
us to get the news. We're not going to

here for a couple of months. So we do
the future headlines. We actually can

you what the headlines are going to be
while we're off. Would you like to see

the future headlines that we'll be
seeing?

For example, President Trump demands
Nobel Peace Prize for ending war on

Christmas.

We will see that headline.

Billionaires admit they were
bullshitting about leaving New York.

absolutely true.

They're not going anywhere.

Zoran Mondami, speaking fee quadruples,
embraces capitalism.

Yes, I can see that.

AI actress blows AI director on AI couch
for role in AI movie.

Trump demands South America change name
to South North America.

Ice agents raid nativity scene.

Makers of Ozempic admit it's just speed.

Tylenol unveils Tylenol White with 50 %
less oxygen.

And Trump claims dog ate the Epstein
files like a dog.

Let me throw up one more name out there
that you didn't mention, and she was in

the news this week. Michelle Obama.

She has a book out, a coffee table book.
Yeah.

What? I like her. I mean, she said no,
though. She said she didn't think the

country was ready for her. Well, that's
what we have to talk about. I mean, her

statement, I was rather shocked by it.
She said, as we saw in the past

sadly, we ain't ready.

Okay, to me, this is logical fallacy
101.

Just because we weren't ready or didn't
like the candidate, Hillary and Kamala,

doesn't, that's, you know.

Doesn't mean we're not ready for a
woman. Maybe.

That's why I'm like, don't even look at
me about running because you are all

lying. You're not ready for a woman. You
are not. So don't waste my time.

You know, we've got a lot of growing up
to do. And there are still, sadly, a lot

of men who do not feel like they can be
led by a woman.

I think it's a bad attitude. I do. I
mean, we said we weren't ready for a

president and someone, I can't remember
who, maybe she remembers,

said maybe it just has to be

the right one. So maybe we should stop
talking about it and just do it, right?

vote for Donald.

If you talk ass shit in the White House
like you are here.

I'd love to have you talk in a foreign
country. Can I tell you something? I

can't stay in the White House. Man, they
got an iron gate. You know, I got to

let loose. You got to let loose.

There's some things you can't hide.

You know, I got to let loose.

First of all, Bill.

America is 250 years old. For 125 of
those 250, women did not have the right

vote. Let's start there.

It's taken us longer to get to the
starting line. I do believe that

what she did in 2016 with 68 million
votes, along with Kamala, what she did

75 million votes, we are ready. 80 % of
the American people say they are ready.

In fact, over 84 % of young people under
30 say they are ready.

The idea that America's not ready is
bullshit.

They may not be ready for this one or
that one, but... Let me

zero in on that second half.

A lot of men who do not feel like they
can be led by a woman.

Now, let me... That's what she said.

Okay. Okay.

Trump won the Hispanic vote by one point
this last time. Right. And yet, when

Biden was the guy, there was a 34 -point
margin.

For him.

Correct.

Okay. So that's a big swing from voting
for a man, Biden, for not voting for a

woman, Kamala.

And then similarly, there was a 35 point
difference in how black men voted in

2024 versus the 2020 election with
Biden. So I

think this is what she's saying, partly.
Yeah, yeah.

It's like there are certain people,
certain... How do white southern women

Black guys are kind of tired of being in
this debate.

We usually vote within points of black
women. So, like, when that stat gets

thrown out, we take the blame in our
community.

But white southern women are a very
peculiar voting bloc. They'll talk the

women's liberation thing, and then their
daughters are confederate.

will be the ones who get statues erected
in your town. So I would look at the

Southeast in particular, and I would
look at white working -class women

looking at the Hispanic vote overall and
black male votes. I think that the

white working class in this country is
going to have to get comfortable with

women leadership.

And if you're looking at white male
podcasts and blogs now, it is a shit

shitting on women. They, you know,
whether it's your tapes or your...

fresh and fit guys who are of the darker
tone, but all of them are taking time

to point and say women are not leaders.
So there's a growing weird sentiment in

this country that seems to be against
women leadership. But I come out of a

community where everything is pretty
much matriarchal anyway. So I trust a

to lead. The question is, can you
convince white working class people to

same? To your point, in the last
election on November 4th, women won

gubernatorial. We now have 14 female
governors.

Which is the largest ever. So the
American people are showing that they

going to support women candidates.

And by the way, the first lady said this
the day after the election, when you

saw a woman become the mayor of Detroit.
Motown got some kick now.

Syracuse, Albany. Women were winning all
over the country. So I think the future

is women. We need to encourage more
women to run. We need to get more women

the pipeline.

And like Mexico, Sri Lanka, Namibia.

Japan, we're going to see a female
president. And guess what, Bill? I'm

make sure you get invited to the
novelty.

You can be my date because I'm going to
tell you

something. I know the dates you will
bring can't last as long as I do.

I'll pour some.

Let me stop because I don't want to
bring you home right now. I got my dog

the hotel. I don't know if I want to.

In Missouri's particular.

Do you think that would be the deal
breaker? Oh, hell yeah.

Okay.

So let me ask you about education.

It's going to be a big issue.

Linda McMahon is the Department of
Education secretary.

She was talking this week about it. Now,
we know the Republicans have wanted to

shut it down since 1979.

Correct. When it was founded. So it's
not been there forever.

Not long. Okay.

She said it's mostly a pass -through for
funds that are best managed by the

states. This stuff does not sound too
unreasonable to me. She says it would

mean ending federal support for
education, funding for low -income

students with disabilities.

That predates the education department,
and that would continue, as would

protecting students' civil rights.

New York Magazine had an article that
came out today. It's called The Big

Here's the quote that we had on the
cover. Student achievement has fallen

cliff, and neither Trump nor the
pandemic is to blame.

Why do we need the Department of
Education if it has done such a shitty

Kids don't come out of school.

First of all, they can't read or do math
anymore, and they don't know anything.

I mean, if we went to the blue flame
tonight... We'd live.

All those girls working their way
through college, they deserve some money

toward education.

But don't ask them about the three
branches of government.

But, I mean, I really do feel like the
Democratic Party, this has been their

portfolio for a long time, education.

Right. Okay. So I feel like they, if
they're going to get back into office,

have to own this issue a little.

Because a lot of the states that are
doing better now are like the southern

states. Really? Which one? Mississippi.

Mississippi's been better than
Louisiana?

See, you're in a bubble.

I'm in a bubble. You didn't get that
story. Well, I'm glad. I'm glad

Mississippi's been better, and I hope
Alabama. But look, I don't believe that

this is a Democrat or a Republican
problem. This is a whole of society,

I mean, we have put a lot of weight and
a lot of pressure on our teachers to do

the job that our parents and our
community should also be doing. I am a

graduate of America's public schools.
I'm grateful for the support.

It's the great equalizer. Have they
fallen short?

some areas? Yes. But to dismantle a huge
federal department and to create all

this confusion that the Labor Department
is going to do this, Interior is going

to take over indigenous this, we still
don't know what is the next step with

dismantling education.

All I know is that we've made a lot of
improvements, but we have a long way to

go before we have a society where
everybody get a head start and an equal

in life.

Well, we've got to fund them and we've
got to give teachers the money they

deserve. We need to stop shortchanging
teachers. I agree. I, like Donna, am a

product of public school education.

And uniquely in Atlanta, I'm from a city
that's majority black, majority of the

schools are named.

for and inspired by black
revolutionaries, black educators. I went

Douglas High School. Our rival high
school was Benjamin E. Mays High School.

Benjamin E. Mays was president of
Morehouse College, of course, the famous

college Dr. King went to. These schools
had a great rivalry because you had

working class kids at school with
working class kids, poor kids, and rich

All these kids are black, but they have
to sharpen their skills against one

another. There was a spirit of
competition.

Before 79 and before education went
strictly to test taking and... reading,

writing, arithmetic, they also had
trades in their schools. At the time Dr.

went to Booker T. Washington High
School, he not only had to learn

writing, arithmetic, he had to learn how
to upholster a chair or how to build

something with a hammer. Our educational
system needs to look back into when we

were successful.

And prior to 79, you had everything from
archery in schools to track. Physical

fitness was there. You had art and
music, which Reagan set out in the 80s.

both sides have done. But you have to
look at Democrats, I think, on a local

level and say, we need to do a better
job. And that starts by... saying, we

fucked up. We fucked up by taking
centers. Well, no child left behind left

of kids behind.

School choice pulled the best premium
kids out of public schools and left them

alone together.

And then you got a bunch of kids who
were aspirationally wanted to be better,

but they didn't have a kid next to them
saying, you can do it, who already

understood calculus.

So we failed our kids. And as adults, we
need to say, pay teachers more. Give

teachers the lowest home loans you can
possible to live in their districts.

Teachers, police, and environment, I
believe.

with some strong civil surgery
cornerstones.

Our principals need to stay there for
longer tenures. When Frederick Douglass

High School only had two principals and
had been in existence 40 years, they

were a national school of excellence
putting out kids anything from athletics

academics. The minute they went to seven
principals within 11 years, they

started to fall.

So we are failing public schools in this
country, both parties. We need to

recommit on a very local level. We need
to stop being test -taking centers. We

need to re -enter trades back into the
schools and prepare our children for...

real life, including financial literacy,
as young as fifth, sixth grade, versus

what we're doing now.

Sounds like he's running.

And I support that. I mean, we need a
apprenticeship program. I was talking to

my brother, and he said, I'm going to
tell my son, if he can't, you know,

up the math, go and get a trade. So we
need it all and above.

Shout out to Ponyboy.

You're saying we shouldn't test?

Is that what you said in there? No, we,
testing should not be the fight. There

was enough.

They stopped testing, and it got worse.
No, no, no.

Testing has become the only thing that
teachers worry about because it

determines how much money comes in. So
the administration is pressing them.

Some colleges now that a lot of the
Ivies have gone back to testing, but

they did.

Yeah, they ain't told that to black kids
yet. My baby still had to take the ACT

and the SAT.

My accountant, though, God bless his
soul, had his child deemed autistic and

didn't have to. So he was smarter than
me. I wish I would have known that

earlier. I would have just told my
child, just say you're crazy like your

and we'll get in.

Shout out to my baby at Hampton
University.

But what I'm saying is the no child left
behind and the focus on are we meeting

test marks did away with education.

True education is when a teacher has a
classroom of children and they're

determined to find the talents of those
children after meeting our base writing,

reading, and arithmetic things and
saying what talent will send you to the

level. And we are not doing that anymore
in this country. Okay. Well, we're

going to do it here.

Starting again next.

But right now it's time for new rules,
everybody.

The final new rule of the year.

Okay.

New rule. The next time the Russian tech
company Idol tries to showcase their AI

-powered humanoid robot, they have to
try and make it look a little less like

every drunk girl who's ever passed out
at the club.

This is not the way of the future. This
is the way to make your Uber driver say

no sorry and drive off.

New old Pete Hegstaff has to explain why
all the names of his military

operations sound like gay porn titles.

Operation Rough Rider.

Operation Midnight Hammer.

Operation Southern Spear.

Those don't sound like attack plans.
They sound like the awkward pay -per

charges on Lindsey Graham's hotel bill.

Neural, instead of coming up with
endless new flavors for Doritos, think

this. Take the existing flavor of Dorito
and make every Dorito in the bag taste

good.

Unlike now, when every eighth one has
flavor and the others you just eat

they're already in your mouth.

How hard can it be? It's paprika, not
changing the quotas at Harvard.

Neural respect. Where respect is due.
The kid.

wanted to come up with something that
just fucked with adults for no reason,

they knocked it out of the park with
their stupid, pointless, meaningless

catchphrase 6 -7.

Even getting dictionary .com to say it's
impossible to define.

We're all still trying to figure out
exactly what it means. Hey, dictionary

.com, you're a dictionary.

Telling us what words mean is the whole
point of you existing.

It's like if you turned on the GPS in
your car and it said, shit, we're lost.

No,

you can't put a headline that reads,
jelly roll is unrecognizable after 200

pound weight loss right above a picture
that makes me say, hey, look, it's jelly

roll.

He's still 350. No one's mistaking him
for Ariana Grande.

Please,

daddy's working.

If you really want to fool me with a
celebrity I won't recognize, show me

Kanye's wife with clothes on.

And finally, new rule, happy
Thanksgiving.

I can't believe that even that now is a
political issue.

It is a real shame what's happened to
this holiday, which used to be all about

the good Fs.

Food, friends, family, football, fun.

And now it's fuck you.

You're not even invited because you
voted for the wrong person.

I'm so tired of liberals ghosting half
this country.

Conservatives do it too.

but not nearly as much.

Look, whoever's doing it, it's got to
stop because we're at a point now where

politics has broken up more families
than letting your wife see your phone.

liberal side there's two camps now the
we need to keep talking to people wing

and the go no contact wing that's what
they call it now go no contact this

belief that trump voters even if it's
your own parents are too deplorable for

human contact and must be cut off you
know like scientologists do to

people

A former speechwriter for Obama named
David Litt wrote an op -ed this year

called, Is it time to stop snubbing your
right -wing family?

Where he admitted he'd had a change of
heart and that was the wrong approach.

Of course, then the woke wing tried to
banish him for breaking ranks on their

policy of hating people who don't agree
with you on everything. Because what fun

is life if you're not cutting somebody
off?

Mr. Litt asked the question, what has
all this banishing accomplished?

Oh, I know, I know.

A second helping of MAGA, that's what.

Molly McNerney, Jimmy Kimmel's wife and
head writer, went public on this topic

recently, so I feel it's fair to comment
respectfully in public.

She says she's lost relationships with
relatives because...

She wrote them an email before the
election with 10 reasons why they

vote for Trump. And some still didn't
obey.

So, you know, 10 reasons. I can think of
100.

But I would never present it to someone
as an ultimatum.

Ultimatums don't make people rethink
their politics. They make them rethink

Somewhere along the way, my values
became code for I'm the only one with a

compass. You know what would have been a
better exercise?

Write a top ten list to yourself where
you try to imagine ten reasons why 77

million Americans didn't want to trust
you with taking power.

And I say that as someone who votes
Democratic. As I like to remind my very

friends, we voted for the same person.
You're just why she lost.

Can we please try to remember,
especially at this time of year, that

don't decide their politics.

They inherit them. It's about where you
grew up in America, what your parents

taught you, your life experiences, your
religion.

Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia was
here recently, and I was amazed by the

number of people who reached out after
the show to say, wow, I kind of like

Yeah. That's been my line for a while.

Everyone's a monster till you talk to
them.

On our overtime segment that night,
someone asked about the alien spaceship.

Maybe you've been reading about it, the
3 -1 Atlas comet that's headed to Earth

and will arrive on December 19th to wipe
out all life as we know it.

It's a joke, don't worry.

And when I quoted people in our own
defense department who had said, well,

on, what you think might be aliens
actually could be fallen angels or

Marjorie agreed, saying, absolutely.

She said, I'm a Christian conservative,
angels and demons, that's what we

believe.

Okay, I think that's not... But you know
what? So

is... Is this a girl or a boy? I can't
tell by his penis.

I'm not going to go through wokeism's
greatest hits now, but, you know, the

safetyism, the open borders, queers for
Palestine, whatever this was.

I mean, I could go on, really. There's a
lot of stuff. The other side has their

top ten list, too, and some of it's
pretty hard to argue with. And I know, I

know the President of the United States
called a woman piggy this week, and

you're a better person than me because
you hate it more than I do.

But I hate it, too.

Really. as well as a thousand other
things about the Trump administration, I

never stop pointing out on this show.
But I'm an adult, and in the real world,

there's some people you just can't stop
talking to, like your spouse or partner

after a bad fight, tempting as that is.

Like your dick of

a boss.

like your family, and like the president
of the United States. This is so

childish, so purely emotional.

The people who got all butthurt because
I had dinner with them.

You know, because he's Hitler.

Except he's not.

So unhelpful and dumb.

Trump is the most supportive president
Israel and the Jews ever had.

You know, every year I used to ask Larry
David to do real time, and he'd always

say, Bill, I can't.

I'm not smart enough about politics to
do your show.

Yeah, I get that now.

Because there is no argument here.

There's just the sugar rush that the no
contact people get from never coming in

second in a I hate Trump the most
contest.

Really? That's your strategy? To go full
high school?

Tell the guy with all the power he can't
sit with you at the lunch table?

To borrow a phrase familiar to HBO
viewers, you are not serious people.

I mean, what exactly is the argument?
That by talking to Trump, I'll elevate

him? Oh my God, don't tell me he could
become president.

Well, I guess, ma 'am, Donnie...

is going to elevate Trump because he
went to the White House today, and look

who's getting along now.

This guy,

MBS, was at the White House this week.
Biden thought he could cut him off, but

year later he found out he couldn't.

There's no perfect way to deal with
Trump, but not engaging is for sure

Axios wrote a column in August entitled,
11 Ways to Influence Trump, based on

many interviews with people who have
done that.

Number eight, get face to face.

The trick is getting in the room, away
from cameras and social media. Trump

say or write horrible things, but rarely
in person, one on one, where he comes

off kinder, more interested, less
erratic.

Exactly.

And there's a bunch of examples of this.
Most recently, the CEO of Intel, who

Trump was hating on, but then he met in
person, and now he's a great guy.

Trump was going to send the National
Guard to San Francisco, but somebody

him out of that. Kim Kardashian, for
fuck's sake, convinced him to sign

legislation. Don't you get it?

Do you really not get it at this point?
Everything with him is done through

personal relationships.

He's a people guy.

Trust me, he's not at home at night
pouring over the briefing books.

This is government by people of saying.

If anything, we need more people like me
having dinner with him. You complain

he's surrounded by ass kissers, but your
strategy is to make sure no one but ass

kissers are around him? You are not
serious people.

Hey, Rachel Maddow went to Dick Cheney's
funeral yesterday.

We can do this, people.

It's Thanksgiving.

Do yourself a favor, get over yourself,
and go have it with your family.

Thank you very much for a great season.
You are the best audience every week

these days. I appreciate it so much.

Thank you, HBO, my wonderful staff.
We're back after the holidays on January

23rd. I want to thank Killer Mike, Donna
Brazell, and Mel Robbins.

Club Random drops every Monday while
we're off.

On YouTube or listen wherever you get
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Now go watch Overtime on YouTube.

Thank you, people.