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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,320 Tonight, on History's Greatest Mysteries. 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,460 Ready to find D .B. Cooper? 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,160 Do you think that he could be D .B. Cooper? Yeah, I do. I think I pinpointed 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,920 where it is. This could be our smoking gun. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,980 They've got to take this back when we open it. 6 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:28,220 It's a mystery that's confounded law enforcement for 48 years. 7 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:38,130 On November 24th, 1971, a man who would become known as D .B. Cooper 8 00:00:38,130 --> 00:00:43,770 hijacks a plane and then jumps out, taking with him a ransom of $200 ,000. 9 00:00:46,230 --> 00:00:53,050 I'm Lawrence Fishburne, and tonight, who is D .B. Cooper, and how did he 10 00:00:53,050 --> 00:00:54,050 escape? 11 00:00:54,290 --> 00:00:59,410 Neither his identity nor his body has ever been recovered. 12 00:00:59,810 --> 00:01:00,850 It's impossible. 13 00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:03,250 Or is it? 14 00:01:03,890 --> 00:01:10,390 Can investigator Eric Euless finally close the only unsolved skyjacking in U 15 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:11,410 history? 16 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:16,790 Eric and his team will re -examine the plane's alleged flight path. They'll 17 00:01:16,790 --> 00:01:22,150 search alternate landing sites for fresh clues and profile a possible suspect. 18 00:01:22,990 --> 00:01:28,350 Tonight, a search for new answers to one of history's greatest mysteries. 19 00:01:29,410 --> 00:01:31,530 Who is D .B. Cooper. 20 00:01:50,890 --> 00:01:56,970 D .B. Cooper investigator Eric Uless is on his way to Washington State, but his 21 00:01:56,970 --> 00:01:59,810 research and investigation started 12 years earlier. 22 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,320 in Arizona. 23 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:06,780 I've always had a fascination with aviation, which is what I believe 24 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:11,520 drew me into the case. Here was a man who developed a cult -like following 25 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,200 the years, despite the fact that nobody really knew anything about the guy at 26 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,600 all. He became a legend overnight. 27 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,160 I think DB is like the coolest guy in America. He did the ultimate crime. 28 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:29,120 Eventually, I found the case was being hijacked by conspiracy theories and so 29 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,990 forth. And I just ended up getting sucked into this D .B. Cooper vortex, 30 00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:38,770 ultimately I decided that I was going to undertake an investigation of my own 31 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:39,770 into the case. 32 00:02:40,010 --> 00:02:44,230 Over the years, more than 1 ,000 suspects have been scrutinized. When 33 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:50,870 happened in the 1970s, the era of DNA was not upon us, and agents really 34 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:54,850 didn't look out to preserve this evidence in the way that we do now. 35 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:56,770 In order to identify... 36 00:02:57,050 --> 00:03:01,370 where the FBI and others went sideways with this case, I knew that I was going 37 00:03:01,370 --> 00:03:08,170 to have to personally read all 20 ,000 pages of redacted FBI files regarding 38 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:14,830 case. Thanks to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed in 2016, every few 39 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:19,770 months the FBI releases files from the case in chronological order. This 40 00:03:19,770 --> 00:03:25,250 constant drip of new information and new sources is key to Eric's theory about 41 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:26,390 what really happened. 42 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:28,870 on Northwest Flight 305. 43 00:03:31,810 --> 00:03:38,290 The night of the skyjacking, we know a man boarded Northwest Orient Flight in 44 00:03:38,290 --> 00:03:40,190 Portland, destined for Seattle. 45 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:43,550 He bought the ticket with $20 bill at the airport. 46 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:49,110 There was no ID required, and he gave the name Dan Cooper to the ticket agent. 47 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:55,790 He would end up taking a seat in the very back row of the jet, 18E to be 48 00:03:56,590 --> 00:04:00,910 The flight attendants recall D .B. Cooper being a guy who was in his mid 49 00:04:00,910 --> 00:04:05,130 dressed as a business person wearing a black suit, wearing loafers with a 50 00:04:05,130 --> 00:04:07,210 black tie and a raincoat. 51 00:04:07,470 --> 00:04:12,510 And he would later put on a pair of dark sunglasses as the jet was about to take 52 00:04:12,510 --> 00:04:16,269 off. By his side, he had a black attaché case. 53 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:21,829 As the plane starts taxiing toward the runway, D .B. Cooper hands one of the 54 00:04:21,829 --> 00:04:24,470 flight attendants, Florence Schaffner, a note. 55 00:04:24,970 --> 00:04:26,570 which says that he has a bomb. 56 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:33,270 36 passengers got off the jetliner in Seattle last night, left aboard four 57 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:38,010 members and the hijacker, dressed in a business suit demanding $200 ,000. With 58 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:41,990 the full ransom collected from Seattle banks and four parachutes aboard, the 59 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:43,190 plane headed for Reno. 60 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:47,550 What many people don't know is that Reno was not the intended destination. 61 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:52,810 Cooper actually requested that the plane fly to Mexico nonstop. 62 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,360 But the problem is that he wanted the jet to fly with the landing gear down. 63 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,240 wanted the jet to fly with the flaps down. 64 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:04,240 He wanted the jet to fly at a very slow speed and not fly over 10 ,000 feet in 65 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,180 altitude. So there was simply no way that they could fly nonstop to Mexico 66 00:05:09,340 --> 00:05:13,080 They would need to refuel somewhere, and they decided Reno. 67 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:18,640 According to Eric, Cooper's request to be flown to Mexico was a ruse. 68 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,020 Seven minutes after the plane left Seattle, the flight crew received an 69 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:26,840 The rear air stairs were activated. 70 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:32,220 The Boeing 727 was unique in that it had air stairs that would deploy from the 71 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:34,220 back bottom of the fuselage. 72 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,640 In fact, it's these air stairs that the passengers actually boarded the jet 73 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,640 with. 74 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:47,460 Roughly 27 minutes after the air stairs deployment alert, the crew experienced a 75 00:05:47,460 --> 00:05:48,520 cabin pressure disturbance. 76 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:55,780 At approximately 8 .12 p .m., the pilots experienced what they described as a 77 00:05:55,780 --> 00:05:56,980 pressure bump on the plane. 78 00:05:58,820 --> 00:06:04,720 What felt like a popping in the ears. This pressure bump was created when D 79 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,380 Cooper jumped off the back air stairs and the air stairs snapped back up into 80 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:11,400 the bottom of the fuselage. 81 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:14,800 That bump holds the key to everything. 82 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,800 Estimating where and when that bump took place is key. 83 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:24,550 It determined the area in which FBI, Air Force, and local law enforcement 84 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:29,570 members looked for Cooper in a coordinated ground search that lasted 85 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:39,150 The FBI never found anything in their original search area, and my research 86 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,670 indicates that the reason they came up empty -handed is because they were 87 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:44,710 actually searching in the wrong place. 88 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:47,030 Why were they searching in the wrong place? 89 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:49,030 Because the flight path was off. 90 00:06:49,530 --> 00:06:54,930 Understanding that pressure bump and identifying the correct search area will 91 00:06:54,930 --> 00:06:57,970 allow us to ask the basic fundamental question. 92 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:04,270 To test his theory about the plane's path, Eric is meeting with the person 93 00:07:04,270 --> 00:07:09,650 charged with tracking flight 305 on the night of the hijacking, the air traffic 94 00:07:09,650 --> 00:07:12,510 controller on duty, Cliff Ammerman. 95 00:07:12,940 --> 00:07:16,560 My name is Cliff Ammerman, and I'm a retired air traffic controller. 96 00:07:16,780 --> 00:07:22,000 I worked at Seattle Center Air Route Traffic Control from 1969 until 1998. 97 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,820 Did the FBI or law enforcement at all ever reach out to you? 98 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Never did. I never got a request like that at all. What did you know about 99 00:07:35,180 --> 00:07:38,100 I mean, I assume you knew it was a skyjack jet. 100 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,040 We knew it was a hijacking. 101 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:44,790 We didn't have a flight plan on it because nobody knew exactly what the 102 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:49,330 was going to be, so we were told just follow him, keep everybody else away 103 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:53,210 him. It became fairly obvious that he was on Victor 2 -3. 104 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:58,810 Victor 2 -3 is one airway in a low -altitude airway structure that's 105 00:07:59,630 --> 00:08:06,190 It's a system of ground -based navigational aids that pilots can 106 00:08:06,190 --> 00:08:08,530 allows them to hold a track over the ground. 107 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:13,420 Just like when you're on Interstate 5 in a car, Victor 2 -3 is the highway in 108 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:13,959 the sky. 109 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,360 The first priority here when tackling this case is trying to figure out the 110 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,580 that the jet took. 111 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:27,180 Can you gauge how precisely you could identify the exact location of Flight 112 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,200 Yeah, what I'm looking at is a map on a video screen. 113 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,640 Aircrafts are being presented in what would look to you like an equal sign. 114 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,260 on the leading slash... 115 00:08:38,549 --> 00:08:42,390 The aircraft itself could be any place on that line. So it could be in the 116 00:08:42,390 --> 00:08:45,150 center. It might be at the left side of the line. It might be at the right side. 117 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:49,530 We don't know. Any idea of roughly what kind of distance you're looking at 118 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:54,670 there? I would guess four to five nautical miles long that line is. 119 00:08:54,890 --> 00:09:00,130 How do you know that he's actually within Victor 23 if you've got sort of 120 00:09:00,130 --> 00:09:01,230 much play there? 121 00:09:01,510 --> 00:09:06,590 It's very uncertain just exactly where the airplane was within that. 122 00:09:07,690 --> 00:09:09,210 target area that we're seeing. 123 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:12,030 So where's the airplane actually? 124 00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:14,890 There's quite a bit of variance in there. 125 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:20,010 Indeed, the jet could have actually been a handful of miles outside of this 126 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:25,430 Victor 23 airway and not have been noticed by anyone. 127 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:30,550 It seems to indicate that the jet indeed took a path that was more along the 128 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:34,330 western side, the lines it up with the money find and all that good stuff. That 129 00:09:34,330 --> 00:09:35,590 is not at all consistent. 130 00:09:36,270 --> 00:09:39,230 with the official version of the flight path. 131 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:44,030 The pilot of Northwest 305 also said that they were not looking far enough 132 00:09:46,350 --> 00:09:48,390 Well, that confirms it for me. Yeah. 133 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:52,350 That's an area that they should have looked, but they didn't look. 134 00:09:57,330 --> 00:10:01,990 Convinced the plane was actually eight miles west of the original FBI search 135 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:06,910 zone... Eric and his team head up to a remote wilderness refuge that's never 136 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:07,910 been searched. 137 00:10:08,010 --> 00:10:13,590 They're looking for any evidence of D .B. Cooper, including possible remains 138 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:14,569 his parachute. 139 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:16,670 Hey. Hey, how's it going? It's going well. Eric Hewless. 140 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:17,609 Hey, Ryan. 141 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:22,810 To maximize the time he'll have on the ground, Eric first takes to the sky to 142 00:10:22,810 --> 00:10:27,350 see how closely his search lines up with an area known as Tina Bar. 143 00:10:27,850 --> 00:10:31,830 In 1980, the FBI found important evidence there. 144 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,660 A child has led the FBI to the start of a trail it hopes will help them solve 145 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:40,640 the eight -and -a -half -year -old mystery of skyjacker D .B. Cooper. 146 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,180 The first break in the only unsolved airplane hijacking in United States 147 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:49,600 came on a Columbia River beach along the Oregon -Washington border where an 148 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,720 eight -year -old boy dug up the shreds of $3 ,000 on Sunday. The money was 149 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,840 about 20 miles from the FBI's original third zone. 150 00:10:59,370 --> 00:11:03,830 Also, it was found about eight or nine miles against the current along the 151 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:04,749 Columbia River. 152 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:10,650 So there was no possible way that the money just washed ashore. The bundles of 153 00:11:10,650 --> 00:11:15,970 20s were found just below the surface of the sand, neatly stacked upon each 154 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:18,890 other with the original rubber band still intact. 155 00:11:19,270 --> 00:11:25,370 So by all appearances, it looks like somebody actually buried those three 156 00:11:25,370 --> 00:11:26,750 packets of 20s. 157 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,180 Since it's impossible to know the precise altitude at which Cooper pulled 158 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:36,700 parachute ripcord, Eric plans to search a wide area the FBI missed. 159 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,700 The first is an island a few miles north of Tina Bar. 160 00:12:00,140 --> 00:12:06,460 The second zone is an extended meadow along the tree line on the west side of 161 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:07,460 the train tracks. 162 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,880 If Cooper landed there, Eric believes he could have walked south along these 163 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:18,300 train tracks, crossing over from the mainland at the River Esbridge to Tina 164 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,120 Eric thinks Cooper might have buried the ransom here, temporarily, and then 165 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,300 fled. The third zone. 166 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,360 Private properties across from the refuge provide access to a large 167 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,940 ravine, which could have given perfect cover for DB Cooper. 168 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,020 Part of what has guided me to these three specific search areas is that 169 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:48,020 pristine and largely untouched in the last 50 years. 170 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,080 Eric Gillis, good to meet you. 171 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:53,620 I'm thinking about... 172 00:12:53,850 --> 00:12:59,690 You know, the 12 years of research I have put into this case, this is what I 173 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:05,290 have been waiting for, the opportunity to actually get boots on the ground and 174 00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:11,090 dig through the brush and look for those missing parachutes, look for any sign 175 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:12,570 of D .B. Cooper. 176 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:20,850 Eric Ulis has investigated the D .B. Cooper case for 12 years. 177 00:13:21,550 --> 00:13:26,250 The pilot of Northwest 305 also said that they were not looking far enough 178 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:30,150 Convinced the FBI misjudged the hijacked plane's flight path, 179 00:13:30,910 --> 00:13:33,230 Erick's assembled a team to look for new evidence. 180 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:37,030 They hope to find something to reopen this cold case. 181 00:13:40,450 --> 00:13:43,770 Hey. Hey, guys. How you doing? Alex Call with Archaeological Services. 182 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:47,110 This area was home to thousands of Native American villages. 183 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:51,870 So in order for the project to have special access to the refuge, it needed 184 00:13:51,870 --> 00:13:56,470 archaeologist to join the project, and that archaeologist is me. Given the 185 00:13:56,470 --> 00:14:00,150 terrain, it's going to require a lot of luck. 186 00:14:00,630 --> 00:14:05,430 Accompanying Eric on his mission, geophysicist Colin Miatka, who will help 187 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:09,590 examine any ground disturbance or man -made materials left behind by the 188 00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:15,150 skyjacker. With my geoscience background, you look for man -made 189 00:14:15,550 --> 00:14:19,630 In this case, though, there's a very small object in a very big area, so it's 190 00:14:19,630 --> 00:14:20,589 incredibly challenging. 191 00:14:20,590 --> 00:14:26,730 There's just so much ground to cover, and the only real best way to do that is 192 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:30,830 by physically walking over the area. Who wouldn't want to be the person 193 00:14:30,830 --> 00:14:34,890 responsible for solving a 50 -year -old case that the FBI gave up on, 194 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:39,070 essentially? He's also enlisted the help of local search and rescue volunteers 195 00:14:39,070 --> 00:14:41,450 Jason Coe and Barry Wells. 196 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:44,210 Both have a vast knowledge of the area. 197 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,860 I was here when the event happened, when there was a lot of theories going 198 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:51,680 around. So today, what we're going to be doing is getting on the boats. We're 199 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,480 going to be traveling along Lake River up to the Columbia River. Then once 200 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,040 on the Columbia River, we're going to go upstream a little bit. 201 00:14:58,260 --> 00:15:01,480 This area we're talking about here was not part of the original search area, 202 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,680 obviously the fact that it's a refuge as well and is off -limits to people 203 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,660 essentially provides a real opportunity where this stuff would have never been 204 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:11,660 found. Ready to find D .B. Cooper? 205 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,880 With restrictions in place. 206 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:18,430 To protect local wildlife, Eric and his team must also contact a state 207 00:15:18,430 --> 00:15:21,990 environmental expert before they can begin their search on the island. 208 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:24,450 Hey, Brent, how you doing? 209 00:15:24,730 --> 00:15:25,730 Good, Ernst. 210 00:15:25,930 --> 00:15:29,290 We'll work our way north, see if we can actually get over to where you are, 211 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:34,230 because I think the refuge is where we want to start versus the DNR land, and 212 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:35,690 then we'll go from there. 213 00:15:36,890 --> 00:15:39,150 Get these guys over on the shoreline here. 214 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:41,330 Landfall, there we go. 215 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,900 Right now we're on Washington Department of Natural Resources land, and 216 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:50,360 basically at the tree line there is where the wildlife refuge starts. 217 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,280 They'll be limited in the tools they can use and are forbidden to dig anything 218 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,820 up or remove any evidence from the refuge. 219 00:15:58,340 --> 00:16:02,520 Do you want to go over some of these maps that I pulled? 220 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:05,020 This is 1970. So this is 70. 221 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:08,620 Compared to now, the footprint... 222 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,300 It looks pretty stable. Looks pretty consistent. 223 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:19,060 So the only thing that might give us a little pause is the 1996 224 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:22,260 aerial. I know there was quite a bit of flooding in 1996. 225 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:26,780 So it looks like to me that this area here is actually underwater. 226 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,660 In 1996, there was actually a very big flood in the area. 227 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:37,200 In reality, if the parachutes were in that area, they could have easily... 228 00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:40,710 been swept out to the Columbia River and out to the Pacific Ocean. 229 00:16:41,450 --> 00:16:46,030 I believe that the parachutes were placed a little bit further inland, 230 00:16:46,030 --> 00:16:51,670 wasn't affected nearly as much. So you said the parachute was white and the 231 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:52,569 was green? 232 00:16:52,570 --> 00:16:53,349 That's correct. 233 00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:55,410 It always helps me to know what colors. Dark green, yeah. 234 00:16:56,830 --> 00:17:01,410 Eric's team is looking for D .B. Cooper's missing parachutes and other 235 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:06,290 including his attaché case, ransom notes, or unrecovered money. 236 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,000 They must notify local authorities and the FBI immediately if they find 237 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 anything. 238 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,700 But Eric's search permit for the refuge is limited and will expire. 239 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,040 We'll just start working off in this direction and find our way through. 240 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:25,220 A little bit of rain. 241 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,720 I think we've got to go a little further down to the open field, basically. 242 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:36,290 I was surprised at how he was dressed as a businessman. 243 00:17:36,650 --> 00:17:40,990 You bring up a great point because a lot of people said, you know, who in their 244 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:45,690 right mind would jump into the middle of the woods wearing loafers and a tie? 245 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:48,370 And I've always argued nobody. 246 00:17:50,850 --> 00:17:55,650 I believe that the evidence clearly shows that D .B. Cooper intended to jump 247 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:57,970 initially in the outskirts of Seattle. 248 00:17:59,030 --> 00:18:04,150 After the skyjacking, flight attendant... Tina Mucklow told 249 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:08,950 .B. Cooper was visibly frustrated and complained to her about how the money 250 00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:15,690 delivered. He made me feel very sure that we had a very real 251 00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:16,970 and horrifying threat. 252 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:21,510 When the money showed up, it was not in a knapsack as he requested. It was 253 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:25,270 actually just delivered in a white, open -top canvas. 254 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:26,979 Bank bag. 255 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:30,420 Didn't have any zippers, didn't have any flaps, didn't even have a handle on it. 256 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Cooper needed to figure out a way to secure the top of that bank bag. 257 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,940 If he didn't, the force of the free fall would have immediately ejected all of 258 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:41,100 the cash out of that bag. 259 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,100 It was also reported by co -pilot Bill Ratajk that Cooper had difficulties 260 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:48,480 lowering the air stairs. 261 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,040 He called us on the interphone and requested that he was having trouble 262 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,580 stairs. I can't get the stairs down. 263 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:58,010 Eric believes these delays forced Cooper to jump into rougher terrain than 264 00:18:58,010 --> 00:18:59,010 originally planned. 265 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:03,730 I think that's really ground zero as far as searching for D .B. Cooper's 266 00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:08,030 parachute if he landed in this area. And basically we need to start right around 267 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:13,910 here where these sticker bushes are, but start working our way down around to 268 00:19:13,910 --> 00:19:15,270 the south. Along the edges. 269 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:20,430 To ensure a thorough ground search, the team walks at arm's length from each 270 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:23,110 other, searching in a traditional grid pattern. 271 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:24,590 Let's move. 272 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:30,450 That looks like an impenetrable wall back there. 273 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:32,770 I'm not even going to try that. 274 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:35,850 It's pretty thick in front of us here. 275 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:38,170 This stuff is brutal. 276 00:19:40,770 --> 00:19:41,770 Yikes. 277 00:19:43,030 --> 00:19:47,110 Yeah. That looks like a prime spot to dump a parachute. Exactly. 278 00:19:48,050 --> 00:19:51,970 Eric believes Cooper left his parachute behind wherever he landed. 279 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:56,460 All the soil around here is pretty packed clay. 280 00:19:56,820 --> 00:20:00,520 There's no way he's digging more than whatever you can kick with his boot. 281 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Right. It's dark, too, right? 282 00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:04,820 Yeah. So he's not going to go too far in there. 283 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:10,240 No. Although the parachute may have deteriorated, metallic and nylon 284 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,400 could have survived. 285 00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:15,560 Alex found some. Let's check it out. It's really the first sign of human 286 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,040 activity I've seen in here. 287 00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:19,199 Oh, yeah. 288 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,240 This could be promising. 289 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:28,760 Searching on federally protected land on an island along the Washington -Oregon 290 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,320 border, investigator Eric Ulis and his team make what they hope is a 291 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,320 discovery. 292 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,960 Alex found some. Let's check it out. It's really the first sign of human 293 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,440 activity I've seen in here. 294 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,640 Oh, yeah. 295 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:45,680 This could be promising. 296 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:50,620 I don't know anything about parachutes and the kinds of shroud lines they would 297 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:51,620 use. 298 00:20:53,830 --> 00:21:00,310 The problem is the color. The shroud lines were either white or light pink. 299 00:21:00,790 --> 00:21:05,130 And so that would not be part of D .B. Cooper's parachute. 300 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:06,950 This area is clear. 301 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:19,850 After ten grueling hours, the team ends the search for the day. 302 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,700 With the restrictions that we have from the refuge, limiting the number of 303 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:32,520 people that we can actually search with, and seeing how vast this area is and 304 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,660 how dense the growth is that we have to fight through, it just made me realize 305 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:41,660 how difficult this search is actually going to be. 306 00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:50,540 With only a few days remaining to search what he believes is the landing area, 307 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:53,530 Eric reviews the mystery of D .B. Cooper. 308 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:57,670 There are really two parts to the D .B. Cooper mystery. 309 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:01,210 There's the part that relates to what actually happened. 310 00:22:01,710 --> 00:22:06,570 All these years later, they're still looking for D .B. Cooper. Everything FBI 311 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:10,830 Special Agent Larry Carr has on Cooper fits in one battered box. 312 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:13,650 Mostly what Cooper left on the plane. 313 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,420 And there's this other part that relates to who the guy actually was. 314 00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:20,780 D .B. Cooper came from someone. He came from somewhere. 315 00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:26,500 You know, he just didn't miracle himself here. And so someone has information. 316 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:33,420 During the 45 years that D .B. Cooper's skyjacking case remained open, the FBI 317 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:36,160 investigated more than 1 ,000 possible suspects. 318 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,620 Some simply matched the crime sketch. 319 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:42,900 Others confessed on their deathbeds. 320 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:47,770 Hospitalized here in Florida with kidney disease, Dwayne Webber motioned to his 321 00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:48,770 wife to come close. 322 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:51,270 He says, I have a secret to tell you. 323 00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:52,810 I said, what? 324 00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:55,170 He says, I'm Dan Cooper. 325 00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:59,710 Even a woman was investigated, pilot Barbara Dayton. 326 00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:05,150 Eric's determined to provide a definitive answer about one person of 327 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:09,270 man DNA tested in 2003 but never publicly eliminated. 328 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:12,370 Eric believes this man could be. 329 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,759 DB Cooper. 330 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,500 His name is Sheridan Peterson. 331 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:23,360 He actually became a suspect within one week of the skyjacking. However, 332 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:29,780 it wasn't even until 2003 the FBI was actually able to interview him. That FBI 333 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:33,240 agent was a woman named Mary Jean Fryer. 334 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,440 And what she told me when I first reached out to her has completely 335 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,440 trajectory. 336 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,800 I'm Mary Jean Fryer. I'm a special agent with the FBI from 1985 to 2006. 337 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:52,680 In 2003, I received a communication from the Seattle office to locate 338 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,980 and interview Sheridan Peterson, who was residing in Santa Rosa, and obtain a 339 00:23:58,980 --> 00:24:00,400 voluntary DNA sample. 340 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:06,420 In late 2007, the FBI announced that they had a partial DNA profile. 341 00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:10,060 that they got from D .B. Cooper's clip -on tie. 342 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 This is the tie we got the DNA from. 343 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,940 This could explain why the FBI had Mary Jean Fryer obtain a DNA sample from 344 00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:22,980 Sheridan Peterson to compare it against the partial DNA profile. 345 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,600 When I met with Sheridan Peterson in 2003, it was special because it was a 346 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,599 historic case. 347 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,860 During my training at the FBI Academy, we had instructors that came in and 348 00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:35,000 talked about it. 349 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:39,810 Sheridan's alibi since I talked to him in 2003 was always that he was present 350 00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:41,030 Nepal for his children's birth. 351 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:44,890 He was saying he wasn't in the country, so he couldn't have been DB Cooper. He 352 00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:49,130 did show me his birth certificates of his kids, but his wife could have very 353 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:50,450 easily given birth without him there. 354 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:56,490 Sheridan worked in the department that literally wrote the flight manual for 355 00:24:56,490 --> 00:24:58,290 Boeing 727 jet. 356 00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:00,890 He worked as a smokejumper in Montana. 357 00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:03,010 He's an expert skydiver. 358 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:05,350 He's a former Boeing employee. 359 00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:11,950 Then in 1966, Sheridan found himself in Vietnam working as a refugee advisor 360 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:17,250 until August of 1970 when he and his wife moved to Nepal. 361 00:25:17,530 --> 00:25:23,730 There is nothing that Sheridan can point to that proves unequivocally that he 362 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:28,930 was in Nepal at the time that the skyjacking took place, with the 363 00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:29,930 his second wife. 364 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:35,970 The problem is, according to Sheridan, his second wife died in 1977. 365 00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:44,370 Sheridan Peterson was interviewed for a program related to D .B. Cooper, and 366 00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:46,030 there are some inconsistencies in there. 367 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:49,390 There are things that he stated that just don't add up. 368 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,840 There are two things that I found that could rule Sheridan out as a suspect. 369 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:57,040 There's some discrepancy with respect to eye color. 370 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,460 Specifically, Sheridan has blue eyes, and the FBI's very first description of 371 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:06,700 .B. Cooper had him having brown eyes. 372 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,780 However, very quickly after they put out the initial description for D .B. 373 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,440 Cooper, the FBI updated the description and described D .B. Cooper as possibly 374 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,160 having brown eyes. 375 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,980 The second being we know that D .B. Cooper definitely smoked cigarettes. 376 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,100 In fact, he smoked eight cigarettes during the skyjacking. I have never been 377 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,220 able to prove that Sheridan Peterson was ever a smoker. 378 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Eriks asked Mary Jean to help secure an interview with Sheridan. 379 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:41,100 Her goal, get him to request his DNA test results. 380 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:46,880 Now, we can't use DNA to prove that he was D .B. Cooper. 381 00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:52,430 Because the profile that the FBI has is only a partial DNA profile. 382 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:57,490 But if we can get Sheridan Peterson to actually request to get his DNA 383 00:26:57,490 --> 00:27:03,610 comparison results from the FBI, we may actually be able to prove definitively 384 00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:05,950 that he wasn't D .B. Cooper. 385 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:22,980 Back on the refuge, Eric Uless and his team of investigators continue their 386 00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:23,980 hunt. 387 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,680 Yesterday, they searched a remote island. 388 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,700 Today, they're searching an extended meadow area. 389 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,840 None of this land has been searched before because the FBI used a different 390 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,940 flight path to calculate its search area in 1971. 391 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,860 If Eric can find any evidence that B .B. Cooper landed here, it might lead to 392 00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:46,920 finally identifying the skyjacker. 393 00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:54,050 All right, so today we're continuing the search for the missing parachutes. 394 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:57,990 We've got our survivalist with us as well, Dan. 395 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:01,570 I'm Dan Barrett. I'm a backcountry guidance survival expert. 396 00:28:01,790 --> 00:28:06,330 I'm not an expert on D .B. Cooper himself, but to me it seems like a 397 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:09,210 situation. I'm looking forward to this search. This is going to be awesome. 398 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:14,290 There are several copycat jumps that took place after Cooper's jump. 399 00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,430 Every single person who did it survived. 400 00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:24,070 Although every copycat jumper survived, none of them got away with the crime. 401 00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:31,170 Most notable, a man named Richard Floyd McCoy, who in 1972 remained free for two 402 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:32,810 days before being arrested. 403 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:38,490 It seems that the real challenge comes once he hits the ground, how he gets out 404 00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:39,490 of the area. 405 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:44,850 Were these tracked in place at that time? 406 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:46,150 Yeah, they were. 407 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,580 We're on top of the BNSF railway track. 408 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:57,000 If DB Cooper landed in this area, the railroad tracks provide a perfect 409 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,880 that he could have used to get to Tina Bar, where the money was found. 410 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,300 Do you ever think of looking into what the train schedule was like that night? 411 00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:09,060 If he landed and started walking for 20 minutes, half hour, I'm sure a train 412 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:13,520 would have gone by. There was a railroad conductor who was driving down the 413 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,640 tracks that night who actually did report to the FBI. 414 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,500 that there was somebody on the tracks. 415 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:24,220 And it's important to remember that as the conductor is bringing this to the 416 00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:30,240 attention of the FBI, the FBI actually thinks that D .B. Cooper landed six or 417 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,280 seven or eight miles east of the railroad tracks. 418 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,920 Today we're going to be doing half of the meadow because there's just too much 419 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160 territory to cover in one day. Tomorrow we'll deal with the other half. 420 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:45,750 That said, the search starts right here. 421 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,910 There's going to be four of us that are going to have to work as the actual line 422 00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:52,030 searchers. These guys are going to be a little bit more independent. 423 00:29:54,910 --> 00:29:56,150 Look along the edge here. 424 00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:57,770 That's due north. 425 00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:00,330 We need to work our way a little further north. 426 00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:04,990 It's more of like a pinpoint, so then it'll open up. It'll make it really 427 00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:08,510 sensitive, so you'll pick up everything. And then you can kind of do your cross. 428 00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:11,950 And if I left it on that, it would be like, whoo! Exactly, yeah. Okay. 429 00:30:13,810 --> 00:30:17,710 Somebody landing in some place like this in the middle of this thicket, that'd 430 00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:20,890 be pretty brutal. I mean, I just don't see how you land in something like this 431 00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:22,610 without getting injured. 432 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:28,210 On the night D .B. Cooper jumped, moderate wind gusts upwards of 11 miles 433 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:31,170 hour were reported on the ground with sporadic rainfall. 434 00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:36,410 When Cooper hit land, he would have experienced ground temperatures dropping 435 00:30:36,410 --> 00:30:37,410 into the 30s. 436 00:30:38,370 --> 00:30:39,990 This is swampy right here. 437 00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:45,030 Is it dry over there, Jason? 438 00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:48,330 If you come around the north side, follow the grass. 439 00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:54,350 Can I go forward and back a little bit? 440 00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:58,490 This could be promising. 441 00:30:59,230 --> 00:31:00,230 Found it. 442 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:06,690 Yeah, if you come around the north side, follow the grass. 443 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:09,170 Eric Uless and his search team. 444 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,280 are in a protected wildlife refuge in southwest Washington, searching for 445 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,600 evidence that D .B. Cooper landed here. 446 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,080 Halfway through searching a large meadow area, they uncover something that could 447 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,380 be connected with this unsolved mystery. 448 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:29,300 I think I've pinpointed where it is. Cooper's NB -6 parachute had stainless 449 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:30,300 steel parts. 450 00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:35,380 So a hit on the metal detector is encouraging news. 451 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Yeah, let's get it. 452 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:43,320 It's either two separate objects or one slightly stretched out. Like the 453 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,180 backpack, I think, would be... All right, we got something underground. 454 00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:52,020 Wow. So what does that mean as far as the size of the piece? 455 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:58,220 With any metal detection, it's hard to get size until you start digging it up 456 00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:02,680 because you could have something really small that's really conductive right at 457 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,540 surface, and that's going to give you a really solid response. But if you 458 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:11,580 have... Something larger that's at depth, it'll give you a smaller 459 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,440 So it's just how close the object is to the sensor. 460 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:20,200 Although the metal detector registered a strong hit, the size of the object, how 461 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,580 conductive it is, and how close it is to the surface can all influence the 462 00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:25,620 strength of the signal. 463 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,920 It seems really pinpointed at that little soft spot right there. 464 00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:34,600 I mean, that's a robust signal. I mean, clearly there's something down there. 465 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:41,140 Well, and maybe... Oh, there we are. 466 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,120 Oh. Wire. Wire? 467 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:45,560 What kind of wire, though? 468 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Parachute pull cord? 469 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,040 So the wire has to stay in the ground, so... Let me try to see if I got cell 470 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,920 service in here and give Mark a really quick call. 471 00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,220 Mark Meltzer is an expert skydiver. 472 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,320 He's going to know this parachute inside and out. 473 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:10,500 So he's the perfect person to reach out to to see if he recognizes this piece of 474 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:15,040 wire and if he thinks it has anything to do with a parachute. 475 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,780 Hey, Mark. Yeah, it's Eric. So we found what appears to be like a wire buried, 476 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,500 kind of half buried in here. 477 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:25,710 Is there any sort of wire? 478 00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:30,750 It's a little heavier gauge wire. Anything like that in the parachutes, 479 00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:34,750 the reserve or the main that is consistent with that? 480 00:33:35,150 --> 00:33:39,470 In a pilot chute, there's a spring. It's not stranded. It's solid wire, but it's 481 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,930 springy. What kind of gauge are we talking about relative to, like, the 482 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:45,710 a hangar, for example? 483 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:47,710 About the same. 484 00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:51,910 Okay. Is it okay if we take a picture and send the picture to you and just 485 00:33:51,910 --> 00:33:52,910 of get your impression? 486 00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:54,850 Yeah, that's fine. 487 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:56,910 Okay. Hold on a second here, Mark. 488 00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:59,370 Is it rusted? 489 00:33:59,590 --> 00:34:04,870 I mean, it's not shiny, but it doesn't appear to be rusted to me. But let me 490 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:09,150 send this over to you. Hopefully it lets me send it out to you here. 491 00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,370 And then you can just shoot me a call back as soon as you have a chance to 492 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:13,370 a look at it. 493 00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:14,570 All right. Thanks, Mark. 494 00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:19,090 There's an old road in here, too, about 100 yards in. 495 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:21,530 Got a gate on it, even. 496 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,040 Let's see what kind of metal they used on the fencing here. 497 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:28,980 That's what it looks like, actually, right there. Yeah. 498 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,739 That's what it looks like. 499 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,139 Yeah, as you can see down there, that's how they secure the posts together and 500 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:39,620 make them stand up. Yeah, they look just like that. They look just like that, 501 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:40,679 exactly like that. 502 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,380 At least we have an idea of what it is now. Yeah, that appears to be the case. 503 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,719 I was hoping... 504 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:52,710 that we would have found something a little bit more concrete at this point. 505 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:56,350 We've only got one more day left to search the refuge. 506 00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:58,930 Then it's on to searching the private property. 507 00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:08,210 While Eric and the team call it a day, retired FBI agent Mary Jean Fryer is in 508 00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:09,210 Santa Rosa. 509 00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:15,210 She's spoken with Sheridan Peterson, Eric's key person of interest. And now 510 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:17,290 says she has even more reason to believe. 511 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,460 He could be D .B. Cooper. 512 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:25,940 In September, I received communication from Sheridan Peterson, which was very 513 00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:30,380 strange. I've never had another person I've ever interviewed in my 21 .4 years 514 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:31,940 ever contact me again. 515 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:37,740 And he sent me two messages about things that were upsetting him and signed them 516 00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:39,640 both D .B. 517 00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:47,090 I think Sheridan loves the stimulation, the engagement, the thrill of him being 518 00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:48,370 a suspect of D .B. Cooper. 519 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:51,670 Do you think that he could be D .B. Cooper? Yeah, I do. 520 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:58,150 To prepare for her meeting, Mary Jean watches an interview Sheridan did for a 521 00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:59,710 2016 documentary. 522 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:06,130 In it, Sheridan acknowledges he sky jumped at Issaquah Skyport, the place 523 00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:08,270 supplied the parachutes D .B. Cooper requested. 524 00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:11,050 during Flight 305 skyjacking. 525 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:16,170 Oh, I was the most obvious suspect of anyone. 526 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:23,450 I had jumped in Issaquah, and I had got my instructor's license there. And that 527 00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:29,050 is where the guy got the parachutes. And I had worked for 528 00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:33,010 Boeing. He's building a very good case against himself. 529 00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:35,070 She said, where were you? 530 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:38,590 And I said, I was in Nepal. 531 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:42,810 Oh, Nepal, come on. You can think of a better one than that. 532 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,350 No, I did not say that. 533 00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:48,850 Then they didn't keep track of people going back and forth from the country. 534 00:36:48,850 --> 00:36:51,650 he was there, that's great, but that doesn't prove that he was there. 535 00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:55,150 And I told him, I said, he had four parachutes. 536 00:36:55,850 --> 00:36:59,970 He had one parachute with a red X across it. That was a reserve. 537 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:02,310 Another reserve was perfectly good. 538 00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:05,470 Which reserve did he take? 539 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:08,700 The one that was daisy -chained. I remember that one. 540 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:10,800 This is interesting that he's so detailed. 541 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,000 It took more than taking the right parachute. It also meant that the person 542 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,600 would have to know those stairs come down on the 727. 543 00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:22,900 I wouldn't know what to do. That's what I'm saying. So anybody saying that you 544 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:25,880 would have been a great D .B. Cooper, not if you didn't know how to get off 545 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,880 airplane. Oh, yeah. 546 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,340 That made him nervous when that conversation, didn't know about the 547 00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:33,640 he's kind of fidgeting with it. 548 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:37,340 And did you ever hear from Mary Jean again? 549 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:44,340 She came back for some reason and told me that there's no match. 550 00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:46,380 Well, that's very fortunate for me. 551 00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:51,320 I'm about to go see Sheridan Peterson for the first time since 2003, and I'm 552 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,360 hoping that maybe at this point he's finally ready to accept that he's going 553 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,720 tell us that he's C .B. Cooper. Don't take it to your death. 554 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:03,110 Set the record straight. Put this to rest so that everyone can appreciate 555 00:38:03,110 --> 00:38:06,550 you did and got away with and not let anyone else take credit for it. 556 00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:16,910 With their permit expired at the refuge, Eric and his team arrive at their final 557 00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:19,770 search zone, a ravine on private property. 558 00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:25,870 It's on Lake River, and Eric believes Cooper could have used it for cover as 559 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,070 made his way to Tina Bar. 560 00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:30,150 where some ransom money was uncovered in 1980. 561 00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:34,030 How's it going, man? Good, good to see you. Good to see you as well. Yep, yep. 562 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:35,209 How you doing? 563 00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:36,210 Good morning. 564 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,590 So my name's Eric. Barry, I want to thank you very much for getting this 565 00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:44,150 of people together. And why don't you give me an idea of who we've got here, 566 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:47,410 because clearly we have two different teams. We have, as you see by the 567 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:50,430 different colors of blue and the red, so I'm with the Southwest Washington 568 00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:54,730 Search and Rescue, and these folks here in the red are with the Clark County 569 00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:55,730 Sheriff's Office. 570 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,860 How many of you have actually heard of D .B. Cooper or haven't heard of D .B. 571 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,440 Cooper or are familiar with the case? 572 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,500 I know you guys are. 573 00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:06,820 I'd be more surprised if somebody hadn't heard about it. 574 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:11,900 I'm from the East Coast. 575 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,840 I read a little bit about it and thought it was interesting, and being here with 576 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,640 the rest of the team, it's exciting and it's fun. 577 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:24,950 Hopefully we do come across something and get to learn a little bit more about 578 00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:26,390 the Pacific Northwest legend. 579 00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:32,430 There's a lot of evidence that suggests that D .B. Cooper landed somewhere in 580 00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:33,249 this vicinity. 581 00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:36,770 We did some searching on the refuge side of Lake River. 582 00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:41,470 Now it's time to focus on this side of Lake River. My thought is that Cooper, 583 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:45,310 you know, if he landed in this area here, would have... 584 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:50,400 You know, walked his way down to the ravine looking for a path out of the 585 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,600 a path toward the railroad tracks. 586 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:58,640 Today's search will cover over 12 acres, so they've doubled their search team. 587 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,920 Each member is outfitted with a GPS tracker and monitored from a mobile 588 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,500 center. All right, folks, we ready? 589 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,760 If evidence of D .B. Cooper is here, Eric's confident his team can find it. 590 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:19,060 Right side good? 591 00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:20,820 Right good. Left side? 592 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,999 Left side good. 593 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Okay, moving. 594 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:24,080 All right, slow methodical. 595 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,680 Just follow this ravine straight down. 596 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,720 Low and slow, folks. Low and slow. 597 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:32,600 Make sure you're clear under trees and things like that. 598 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:35,960 Look up every once in a while. 599 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,060 Yeah, look behind you, too. 600 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,600 You can break as much as you need to. 601 00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:42,420 We got permission. 602 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,480 Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. 603 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:48,030 Think, where would I hide a parachute? 604 00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:54,490 One other thing to consider as I look at these trees up here, one of the premier 605 00:40:54,490 --> 00:41:00,250 suspects in this case was actually a smokejumper. If he happened to land in 606 00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:03,290 type of environment, he would have known exactly what to do and how to handle 607 00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:04,069 the situation. 608 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:08,170 If he had caught up in these trees, you know, 60, 70 feet up, we know that he 609 00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:11,170 had a pocket knife on him. He actually used that to cut some of the shroud 610 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:14,550 lines, so he would have figured out a way to get down. It wouldn't have been 611 00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:15,550 issue for him. 612 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:19,820 They got stuff. 613 00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:22,280 They're digging in stuff over there, Eric. I'm not sure. 614 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:23,800 Eric, do you want to come over here? 615 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:25,140 Yeah. Hold on. 616 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,520 Right holding. 617 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:29,420 Yeah, just the same area. 618 00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,300 What is this? 619 00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:34,880 It's a wine bottle. 620 00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:36,600 Might be a piece of aluminum. 621 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,100 Yeah, I think that's all it is. 622 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:44,120 Yeah, some cork on it. Yeah, it's definitely like a top of a wine cork. I 623 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,120 the guy was drinking. 624 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,300 had a bourbon on the flight you know this is one of those things i'm just 625 00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:53,440 curious to be took a couple you know yeah i mean he's got many bottles with 626 00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,340 you don't know so be the kind of items to save uh for the heck of it but seems 627 00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:06,800 unlikely that there's any significance but uh gives you an idea of how how 628 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,340 sensitive this instrument is yeah all right continue pocket that and we'll 629 00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:13,540 continue yeah that looks like something from a plane 630 00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:21,210 cabinet or something. 631 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:23,710 Hey, Eric. 632 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:26,770 Yeah. Do you want to come here for a second? 633 00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:32,910 Yeah. Large metal box that I assume somebody filled it with rocks, but I 634 00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:36,450 want to make sure that you don't have any... You see it anywhere? 635 00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:37,669 This right here. 636 00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:38,408 Oh, yeah. 637 00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:42,590 Yeah, that's the kind of thing that... I don't know how it ended up here, but 638 00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:45,270 it's certainly not associated with the parachute or anything like that. 639 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:47,670 Yeah, it's not associated with anything that... Nothing that I'm aware of, yeah. 640 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,880 Certainly much bigger than the attache case would have been. It looks just up 641 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,280 here. It looks to me just like a, you know, large metal box. 642 00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:59,220 Just an old metal box, yeah. Yeah, okay. 643 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,220 Good to check out, though. 644 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:10,420 Although they've yet to find definitive evidence, the search team has recovered 645 00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:14,880 a few items of interest, including this small gauge wire, which could have been 646 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,800 part of the NB -6 parachute. 647 00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:23,470 They also found nylon rope hanging from a tree and aluminum that could be from 648 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:25,630 beverages served on Flight 305. 649 00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:33,070 A few, you know, false positives, so to speak. It helps keep a little fresh in 650 00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:35,550 your mind that this is a very real case. 651 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,930 This guy really did exist. He really did jump somewhere in this area. 652 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:42,410 Those parachutes are somewhere in this vicinity. 653 00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:44,450 It's just a matter of finding them. 654 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:55,840 Investigator Eric Ulis is on the last day of his search for evidence that 655 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160 solve the mystery of D .B. Cooper. 656 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,180 Eric believes the FBI got it wrong, and Cooper actually landed eight miles west 657 00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:07,380 of law enforcement's original search zone. 658 00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:13,780 If he can find any sign of Cooper, it would prove he survived the jump and may 659 00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:14,780 be alive today. 660 00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:22,430 I wonder what this area looked like 48 years ago. 661 00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:23,930 I think it looked just like this. 662 00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:29,750 The ravine the team's searching has remained untouched by loggers for 50 663 00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:34,030 Eric believes decades of overgrowth could have helped preserve evidence. 664 00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:40,010 An awful lot of vegetation, and this is exactly the kind of area that we would 665 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:43,510 expect to find something if he was in this area and happened to stash it. 666 00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:46,970 It wouldn't be fun to land a parachute in and get caught up. 667 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:51,970 This is actually a pretty long property. Is it a long line? Yeah, we're about a 668 00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:53,250 fifth of the way right now. Oh, wow. 669 00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:59,090 Watch to your right, folks. Don't outwalk your flanks. 670 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:03,710 Hey, Joe. Yeah. See that big tree on the other side of that ravine right there? 671 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:07,030 That one right there? Yeah. So once we get to that, we want to spread out to 672 00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:08,030 right. Okay. 673 00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:09,229 There we go. 674 00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:10,230 All right. 675 00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:13,670 All right. There you go. There you go. Yeah, and then catch it if you fall. 676 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:14,710 Yeah. 677 00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:16,130 There you go. All right. 678 00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:19,460 Well, 679 00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:27,000 $200 ,000 in 1971, what would be the value of that today? 680 00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:29,260 It would be $1 .2 million today. 681 00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:32,920 So it would be a millionaire in today's dollars. 682 00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:34,180 All of that for $1 million. 683 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,740 The FBI has never been able to prove one way or the other whether any of the 684 00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:43,340 ransom was spent. If D .B. Cooper did actually spend this money... 685 00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:47,530 My research indicates that there would be approximately 50 of those bills still 686 00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:50,210 out there in circulation today. 687 00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:56,930 There is a very strong chance that someone out there right now has 688 00:45:56,930 --> 00:46:02,390 one of those bills, but they just don't know it. As you can see here, this is 689 00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:04,850 not a complete $20 bill. 690 00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:11,070 In fact, I estimate that what we're looking at is only about 25 % of the 691 00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:12,070 original bill. 692 00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:17,780 After a difficult grid search, the team finally reaches the ravine. 693 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,600 Okay, guys, you're going to have to be a little slower, a little bit more 694 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,140 brushier here for both sides. 695 00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:30,080 From here, Eric believes Cooper could hear trains running on the BNSF railway 696 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,340 tracks, tracks leading to Tina Bar. 697 00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:36,220 Oh, look at it right here, right in front of you. 698 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:39,500 There's some white something here. 699 00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:41,740 I don't know. 700 00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:49,340 The material is interesting. 701 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:55,620 We have a parachute expert, and I'm going to ask him about it. Where'd you 702 00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:57,900 it? Just right under the log here. 703 00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:08,680 It looks like a mix of materials, some of which could be on the parachutes. 704 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,580 ask the expert, and he'll be able to tell us definitively. Something with 705 00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:15,020 tension. This had to be on something with some serious tension. 706 00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:19,760 The team sets up a GPS locator on the spot where the cloth fragment was found. 707 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,260 To provide coordinates, they can plot on a map. 708 00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:29,500 The situation we find ourselves in right now is rare, unique, and a very limited 709 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:33,600 time. So we just cannot afford to pass up on situations like this. We have to 710 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,360 thoroughly vet this. We have to figure out what we're working with here because 711 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,720 this may be it. This may be the one final golden opportunity to figure out 712 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,640 and for all what happened to D .B. Cooper. 713 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,340 We'll get it checked out. We'll see what the expert says. 714 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:50,340 So we'll see. 715 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:55,000 Could this fabric be part of D .B. Cooper's missing parachutes? 716 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:02,740 It appears to be nylon and canvas, which looked very durable. It resembled a 717 00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:07,440 piece of a parachute. It certainly looked like it could be, but I'm not 718 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,400 now that we've got the piece in hand, we've marked where we found it, we'll 719 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,260 present it to our parachute expert, Mark Meltzer, and he'll be able to tell us 720 00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:17,220 definitively whether or not this is a piece of a parachute or not. 721 00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:24,900 To learn more about the fabric he found, Eric heads to L .A. to meet with Mark 722 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:29,440 Meltzer. Not only is he very knowledgeable about the Cooper case, 723 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,100 something like 1 ,500, 2 ,000 parachute jumps. It gives us the opportunity to 724 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:38,620 give him that piece of evidence that we found during the search, see if he 725 00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:42,480 thinks it could possibly come from a parachute, either the main parachute or 726 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,000 reserve parachute or something else. And he actually personally knows Sheridan 727 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,000 Peterson. 728 00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:54,210 I wanted to start out talking to you a little bit about D .B. Cooper's skill 729 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:58,070 level with respect to parachutes, given everything you know about this case 730 00:48:58,070 --> 00:48:59,770 specifically and skydiving in particular. 731 00:49:00,110 --> 00:49:03,990 What indicates to me that he probably had some experience with military 732 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:09,330 parachute gear is the type of main parachute rigs that were brought to him 733 00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:12,130 either Navy NB -6 or NB -8. 734 00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:16,890 containers and harnesses. And parachute instructions were brought to the plane, 735 00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:20,070 printed instructions on how to use the gear. He didn't need them. And Tina 736 00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:24,610 Mucklow, the stewardess that spent the most time with Cooper, noted Cooper 737 00:49:24,610 --> 00:49:28,970 taking out a packing cart out of one of the parachute rigs. And to me, that's a 738 00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:32,670 huge clue that Cooper was most likely a skydiver. 739 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:36,910 Skydivers know what a packing cart is. Nobody else does. It's very well 740 00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:39,210 concealed. So if Cooper actually 741 00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:43,650 found a packing cart, and knew how to put on an NB -8 or NB -6. 742 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:50,270 That's very telling. We did find something that may or may not be related 743 00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:52,450 parachute. I'd like to see it. I'll take it out. 744 00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:54,570 Get this open here. 745 00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:08,890 Well, it's interesting in that it has sort of a grip stop. 746 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,880 in the fabric material here, the porous fabric material. 747 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,880 It has nylon webbing. 748 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:20,100 And I see nothing in the materials that's inconsistent with the late 60s, 749 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,100 70s. 750 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,260 Investigator Eric Uless is in Los Angeles, meeting with parachute expert 751 00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:36,820 Meltzer. He hopes Mark can shed light on a piece of possible evidence. 752 00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:44,210 looking for the missing parachute, we did find something that may or may not 753 00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:45,470 related to a parachute. 754 00:50:56,670 --> 00:51:02,090 Well, it's interesting in that it has sort of a ripstop weave in the fabric 755 00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:03,810 material here, the porous fabric material. 756 00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:05,730 It has nylon webbing. 757 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,440 A ripstop weave is commonly found in fabrics made to resist tearing. 758 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:15,680 Yarns are interwoven at regular intervals in a crosshatch pattern. 759 00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:21,840 I see nothing in the materials that's inconsistent with the late 60s, early 760 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,740 but it's not the right color for military parachute gear. This is a 761 00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:31,420 blue, and it apparently has leather over sewn on the perimeter of the thing, and 762 00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:35,860 there is no leather on the type of gear that... cooper jump but it does have 763 00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:39,520 components in common with parachute gear it has an nylon webbing it has some 764 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,860 sort of ripped stops weave fabric but i can say with 100 certainty that this was 765 00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:47,920 not from db cooper's parachute gear so you've pretty much established that it's 766 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,840 absolutely not related to the the parachute that he jumped with What's the 767 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,920 possibility that there's some sort of relation to the dummy reserve parachute? 768 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,200 That's an interesting question, Eric. I've seen some crude things done to 769 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,960 training reserves. The only thing you want to do is have it be able to be 770 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,740 deployed and packed up really quickly. So they cut panels out. They sometimes 771 00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:12,260 cut some of the suspension lines off. It doesn't have to be done to FAA specs. 772 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,240 And so I can't definitively say this wasn't part of a training reserve. I 773 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,420 it's unlikely, but I certainly can't rule it out. 774 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,240 This is very exciting for me because there's a possibility that this piece 775 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,000 be part of the modification that was made to the dummy reserve parachute. 776 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:35,360 You personally know Sheridan Peterson. What are your overall impressions of 777 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:42,360 Peterson as they pertain to the possibility of this guy being the real 778 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,360 D .B. Cooper? 779 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:48,100 Sheridan Peterson is absolutely a qualified candidate. 780 00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:52,540 There is no aspect of that jump that he wasn't a master of. He knew how to jump 781 00:52:52,540 --> 00:52:54,200 into wilderness and egress. 782 00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:56,240 Do I think he's D .B. Cooper? 783 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,500 I just don't know. 784 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,380 To further his investigation, Eric Uless next visits Claire Peterson, Sheridan 785 00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:09,600 Peterson's first wife. 786 00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:14,070 He hopes she may have some insight into whether Sheridan could have pulled off 787 00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:19,170 the skyjacking. She also has details about Sheridan's second wife, the key 788 00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:21,030 person who could corroborate his alibi. 789 00:53:22,050 --> 00:53:25,830 Sheridan has three children, all grown with Claire. 790 00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:32,490 They were married in the 50s and divorced in 1962, which is right before 791 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,570 Sheridan moved up to Seattle and got the job at Boeing. Actually, Sheridan 792 00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:39,110 started working at Boeing. 793 00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:41,160 in May of 1962. 794 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,780 So they went their separate ways right before that. 795 00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:49,620 So this is going to be fascinating to speak with Claire about her time with 796 00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:55,460 Sheridan. Claire Peterson was interviewed by the FBI in 1974 797 00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:00,600 about Sheridan and about this case. And at that time... 798 00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:07,210 Sheridan was living in Asia, so she knew as of 1974 that Sheridan was a suspect 799 00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:09,450 in the DB Cooper skyjacking. 800 00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:15,530 Sheridan was 45 at the time of the skyjacking, and Eric believes his 801 00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:18,150 is similar to the original sketch of DB Cooper. 802 00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:23,310 Sheridan lived in Seattle prior to the skyjacking and was photographed in a 803 00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:26,110 and tie while posing as a skydiver. 804 00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:31,250 As a Boeing employee, It's also likely that Sheridan knew the inner workings of 805 00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:32,350 the Boeing 727. 806 00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:37,670 And finally, Eric does not believe that Sheridan's alibi can be corroborated for 807 00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:38,910 the time of the skyjacking. 808 00:54:54,190 --> 00:54:54,928 Hi, Claire. 809 00:54:54,930 --> 00:54:58,550 Hi. Hi, Eric Hewlett. You can see Eric. I am Eric. How are you? 810 00:54:58,950 --> 00:55:00,330 Fine, thank you. Good to meet you. 811 00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:06,270 Claire agreed to help Eric obtain a DNA profile from one of their children. 812 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:12,010 It will be compared to the DNA from D .B. Cooper's tie left aboard Flight 305. 813 00:55:12,550 --> 00:55:17,010 If it's a match, Eric could finally have the answer to the mystery of D .B. 814 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:18,030 Cooper's identity. 815 00:55:19,590 --> 00:55:20,690 First of all, Claire... 816 00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:26,170 Thank you very much for taking the time to sit down with me and talk a little 817 00:55:26,170 --> 00:55:28,770 bit about your life and your life with Sheridan. 818 00:55:29,110 --> 00:55:34,970 Can you describe just the nature of your relationship during that seven years 819 00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:35,970 with Sheridan? 820 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:40,190 Well, the relationship was bumpy. 821 00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:43,230 He did have tirades of anger. 822 00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:45,530 I don't think he could control it. 823 00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:49,350 So I knew there was a time when I was going to have to say goodbye to him. 824 00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:56,260 And that's the way it went. Something had to be done because I didn't want to 825 00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:57,198 get hurt. 826 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:04,040 In terms of being clever and deceptive, when there's something that he wanted or 827 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:09,520 what have you, did you detect any of that in him, the ability to be 828 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,420 think he was deceptive, yes, in a way that would work for him. 829 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,840 As Eric speaks with Claire Peterson. 830 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,080 Former FBI agent Mary Jean Fryer is en route to visit Sheridan Peterson. 831 00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:29,480 In 2003, she interviewed him as a person of interest and collected a DNA sample. 832 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,320 This is the first time they've met since then. 833 00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:44,100 I was glad you reached out to me on Twitter when you sent me the message 834 00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,200 you wish I was still in the FBI because you had things. 835 00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:48,730 that were happening to your computer. 836 00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:51,890 Yeah. Do you remember that in September? 837 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:54,490 With your book. Oh, yeah. 838 00:56:54,830 --> 00:56:56,790 Yeah. You signed it, DB. 839 00:56:59,030 --> 00:57:01,250 Because I thought I'd amuse you. 840 00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:04,790 Yeah, you did amuse me. Twice you signed DB. 841 00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:11,270 Yeah, I was so surprised to find you. 842 00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:15,710 It's been a long time since we've seen each other. Yes, it has. 843 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,100 That was 20 years ago, huh? A long time ago. 844 00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:22,020 Heisting of aircraft. 845 00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:24,760 And that wasn't me. 846 00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:29,660 There are easier ways to get $200 ,000, I would think. 847 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:32,460 I'm surprised that you guys are still interested. 848 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,160 They never caught the guy. 849 00:57:34,460 --> 00:57:38,120 The FBI gave up on it and closed it. Oh, did they? 850 00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:41,160 The fact that people think that you could be D .B. Cooper makes sense. 851 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:43,540 D .B. Cooper was a... 852 00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:46,030 was a gangster. He was a thief. 853 00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:48,750 He stole $200 ,000. 854 00:57:49,210 --> 00:57:54,750 And also, he wanted to blow up a plane. He would have killed a lot of people. 855 00:57:55,150 --> 00:57:56,390 Do you think the bombs were real? 856 00:57:56,810 --> 00:57:58,230 Oh, they weren't real, no. 857 00:57:59,770 --> 00:58:00,830 How do you know that? 858 00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:08,710 Retired FBI investigator Mary Jean Fryer is meeting with Sheridan Peterson, a 859 00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:10,110 man she interviewed in 2003. 860 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,260 as a person of interest in the D .B. Cooper case. 861 00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:14,540 Do you think the bombs were real? 862 00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:16,440 Oh, they weren't real, no. 863 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,280 The FBI found and proved that the bombs weren't real. 864 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,780 They did? I didn't hear that. 865 00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:26,220 Oh, yeah. 866 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,020 Once he had jumped there, he left the stuff behind. 867 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:32,960 He only left the tie behind. 868 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,660 The only items recovered from the hijacked plane were a long, skinny black 869 00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:40,660 -on tie. 870 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,620 a gold tie clip, and eight cigarette butts. 871 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:48,620 It's believed Cooper jumped with everything else, including the 872 00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:51,720 notes exchanged between he and the flight attendants. 873 00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:53,220 Why would he do that? 874 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,980 I feel that my personal opinion that he ended up in the Columbia River. 875 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,940 That money all rotted and everything was in the sand along the bank north of the 876 00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:07,940 Dahl. 877 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,440 Actually, I think the money was buried, not lost. 878 00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:12,180 Buried? 879 00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:18,240 Because it was like in a stack in the sand, not like just drifted there. 880 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:25,300 If he jumped in a tire that he was wearing, he was crazy. 881 00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:27,280 And I'm not crazy. 882 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,580 That took a lot of guts to do what he did. 883 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,800 Oh, yeah, I think so. 884 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,480 You know, your life story is fascinating. Can we start after your 885 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,560 Claire? 886 00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:47,820 Yes. Right after my first wife, I took a sabbatical in the Philippines. 887 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,440 I was just an English teacher. 888 00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:54,780 And I met Vinnie. She lived in a very poor area. 889 00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,100 She wasn't well -educated. 890 01:00:00,380 --> 01:00:05,400 But I married Vinnie. We had two children. And then I went to Vietnam. 891 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:10,700 with the express purpose of writing a documentary on the Vietnam War. 892 01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:12,880 You know, I needed a passport. 893 01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:15,260 Oh, I have those passports. 894 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,040 Can we see them? 895 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,360 Yeah. 896 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,360 This is all your travel everywhere? 897 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,520 Well, I'm not sure it's all of them. You keep everything. I love that. 898 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,720 So here's Kathmandu in August of 71. 899 01:00:32,780 --> 01:00:35,880 Now, after August of 71, then where did you go? 900 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,860 Oh, I went back to Vietnam. 901 01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:46,700 Yeah, I remember that. I went back and I left the family in 902 01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,300 Malaysia, in Penang. 903 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,020 Your wife died in 1977? 904 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:55,720 Well, yeah. 905 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,440 I don't want them to know where I am. 906 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,400 I don't want them to know anything. 907 01:01:03,790 --> 01:01:08,530 Back in Idaho, Eric Uless continues his meetings with Sheridan's first wife, 908 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:14,790 Claire. He was not money crazy, but he did not want to work, but, you know, he 909 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:20,530 wanted to have a living. And I knew he wanted to go to Asia, and it looked like 910 01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:22,530 he was doing what he wanted to do. 911 01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:27,830 So you were made aware at some point that he, like, headed to Asia. 912 01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:31,170 I did know that he left and he went overseas. 913 01:01:31,870 --> 01:01:35,290 And was there any contact with him while he was over there? 914 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,010 Probably a couple of letters. 915 01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:42,330 And then, but for years and years, no contact. 916 01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:49,710 One thing that was intriguing that we talked about related to his second 917 01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:55,450 wife. And you're talking about a wife that he led me to believe was alive. 918 01:01:56,010 --> 01:01:58,550 What did he say to you in 2007? 919 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,340 Made you think she was still alive. 920 01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:07,600 I met his daughter, their daughter, and she wanted to see her mother, and she 921 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,560 wanted to see that her mother got over here to the United States from the 922 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,900 Philippines. What year was this? Well, this was 2007. 923 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,200 So you had a conversation with Sheridan about this right here at your house, 924 01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:21,700 where we are right now. I did, yes. What did Sheridan say about that? Well, I 925 01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:24,940 asked Sheridan, why don't you send for her? Why don't you see that she can get 926 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:25,940 here? 927 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,880 And he laughed. And what he said was, oh, she wants to bring her entire family 928 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:31,960 over with her. 929 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:35,820 Clearly, you're under the distinct impression that his second wife, at 930 01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,680 of 2007, is alive and well and is living in the Philippines. Is that correct? 931 01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:46,300 According to Sheridan, his second wife had passed away in 1977. 932 01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:50,560 Well, he's lying about something. 933 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:54,880 If he is possibly Dan Cooper. 934 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,140 she would know. 935 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,240 Well, that's when I started to really think perhaps it was he who 936 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,480 did it. 937 01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:13,720 He had the knowledge and probably, he probably had the courage to do something 938 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,720 like that. 939 01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:22,800 Look, I read Eric's work, and I have to ask you, I want to know how you knew. 940 01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:26,560 The reserve parachute was daisy -chained. I daisy -chained it. 941 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,140 You daisy -chained it? Yeah, I daisy -chained it. We used it there at 942 01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:33,140 for years. 943 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,740 Sheridan Peterson worked at the Issaquah Skydive Center in the early 1960s, the 944 01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:44,360 same place that would later provide parachutes used by Cooper in his escape. 945 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:52,200 I daily change it so they throw it down and out, see? The reserve, I put the 946 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,740 red X on it. 947 01:03:54,020 --> 01:03:57,920 You hadn't been to Issaquah in five years. How did you know that that's the 948 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,899 reserve you made? 949 01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:00,240 Well, I was sure it was. 950 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,000 Why would they change it? 951 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,860 Who gave it to him? 952 01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:05,580 Lynn Emmerich. 953 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,520 Yeah, that's why Lynn Emmerich figured it was me. 954 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,840 Lynn Emmerich worked at Issaquah Skyport at the same time of the hijacking. 955 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:22,040 But the others no longer think that I'm an EV2 friend. 956 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,500 And they still have DNA out there. 957 01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:27,040 Yeah, you still have my DNA. 958 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,740 It's still there, yeah. I've never heard that it was cleared. 959 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,600 But I thought you said... No, because I never found out. 960 01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:37,100 But you can find out yourself. 961 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,380 I can send you the form. You just make the request and they'll tell you. 962 01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:46,250 There was a little part of me that was hoping you were going to confess to 963 01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:47,250 D .B. Cooper today. 964 01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:49,310 A little part of you? Yeah. 965 01:04:49,530 --> 01:04:52,630 Oh, she really is this FBI. 966 01:04:53,790 --> 01:05:00,770 Yeah. I just hope that whoever it is takes some credit for it before they 967 01:05:00,770 --> 01:05:05,860 die, if they're still alive, because it's quite... the accomplishment. 968 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,900 And so many people have claimed it or tried to steal it from this person 969 01:05:11,060 --> 01:05:15,220 oh, I was DB Cooper or on their deathbed or family members will come out. But it 970 01:05:15,220 --> 01:05:19,260 would be nice if the person doesn't let it go unsolved. 971 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,500 All right, listen, I have to say goodbye. 972 01:05:25,799 --> 01:05:26,960 Yeah. Hey. Yeah. 973 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,820 All right. You take care of yourself. 974 01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:31,920 Yeah. We'll send you that form. 975 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,178 All right. 976 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:33,919 All right? 977 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,200 Then we can put this to rest. 978 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,160 I'll go back. Unless you want to confess to me. Huh? Unless you want to confess 979 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,280 to me. Oh, I've got to get on my knees. Yeah. 980 01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:43,780 You take care of yourself. 981 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,920 I'll remember this forever. 982 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,280 Oh, well, good. I will, too. 983 01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:59,880 Twelve years after he began his obsessive search into D .B. Cooper, Eric 984 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,360 is in Arizona, meeting with one of the only researchers ever to be given access 985 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,520 to Cooper evidence by the FBI. 986 01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:12,360 Eric hopes that he will finally learn if the man he believes could be D .B. 987 01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:14,100 Cooper really is. 988 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,260 Tom Kay is a rock star in the D .B. Cooper world, and the reason the guy's a 989 01:06:20,260 --> 01:06:22,660 rock star is because he actually... 990 01:06:23,310 --> 01:06:27,790 got special access to the evidence in 2008 as well as 2011. 991 01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:35,150 Knowing this, it only makes sense to see if Tom K happened to extract some of D 992 01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:37,570 .B. Cooper's DNA while testing the tie. 993 01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:46,290 Eric, glad you made it. How you doing, man? Good to see you. Good to see you. 994 01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:51,230 Come on in. Back in 2008, I was approached by a Cooper group that was 995 01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:55,170 for somebody to analyze the money that was found on Tina Barr and had been 996 01:06:55,170 --> 01:06:56,330 buried there for a long time. 997 01:06:57,030 --> 01:07:01,690 Then we went back to the FBI in 2011, and by that time we were working with 998 01:07:01,690 --> 01:07:05,810 Special Agent Curtis Eng, and he allowed us then to have access to the tie 999 01:07:05,810 --> 01:07:10,810 specifically so we could do a series of tests, and we also vacuumed the tie for 1000 01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:15,120 particles. What we found that was really amazing is we found metallic titanium 1001 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,560 on the tie. 1002 01:07:17,180 --> 01:07:22,060 Titanium is used to manufacture aircraft and is found at plane manufacturing 1003 01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:28,280 plants, like the Boeing facility where Sheridan worked from 1962 to 1964. 1004 01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:31,980 There were very few applications for commercially... 1005 01:07:32,380 --> 01:07:34,320 pure titanium back in 1971. 1006 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,840 And I know that some of my research has actually shown that indeed the 727 1007 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,540 itself, specifically the engine, has commercially pure titanium. 1008 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,120 At that time, titanium wasn't very common. It was used primarily in 1009 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:52,100 and also in the chemical industry. So it goes a long way towards narrowing down 1010 01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:53,760 criteria for DB Cooper. 1011 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,840 Now we knew how vitally important the particles were on the tie, and we knew 1012 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,300 what we were looking for. So we hooked up a vacuum. 1013 01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:05,320 to a filter like this. This is a sterile filter inside of a sterile jar. 1014 01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:10,360 We had a small nozzle coming out the end here, and then we hooked a vacuum to 1015 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,040 the back end of this, and we vacuumed the tie, including the knot of the tie. 1016 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,740 The tie knot seems like the most logical place to look, the place that would 1017 01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:21,700 have been touched the most by DB Cooper. 1018 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,040 This filter that remains unopened to this day has particles from DB Cooper's 1019 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,229 in it, but most importantly... It also has Cooper's DNA in it. The thing is, 1020 01:08:32,270 --> 01:08:35,910 there's only one shot with the DNA here. I will never see that again. It is 1021 01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:39,710 destroyed in the process of getting the DNA. I think that the lab that's been 1022 01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:42,930 appropriated for this job is a good one, and it'll do a good job. 1023 01:08:43,390 --> 01:08:47,649 The extent of the job that they can do, nobody knows yet, not even the lab. 1024 01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:54,050 Tom, I want to thank you for entrusting us with this very valuable D .B. Cooper 1025 01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:55,050 evidence. 1026 01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,720 We're going to take it, send it right off to the lab, see what they can find 1027 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,479 out, and I'll get back to you with the results as soon as I have something. 1028 01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:03,640 All right, Tom. Let's go get them. All right. 1029 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:10,580 While Eric waits to send the MVAC tie sample to a Florida lab specializing in 1030 01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:15,359 older forensics cases, former FBI agent Mary Jean Pryor receives an unexpected 1031 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,319 call from Sheridan. 1032 01:09:18,690 --> 01:09:22,910 When I met with Sheridan Peterson, I thought it was intriguing and kind of 1033 01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:26,810 confusing. They evidently found the guy that made the heist. 1034 01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:28,370 No, they never caught the guy. 1035 01:09:29,170 --> 01:09:31,609 They didn't? The FBI gave up on it and closed it. 1036 01:09:31,810 --> 01:09:32,608 Oh, did they? 1037 01:09:32,609 --> 01:09:34,630 During the interview, I thought it wasn't him. 1038 01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:40,090 And then when he pulled out the passports, I said, oh, I think it might 1039 01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:43,050 So here's Kathmandu in August of 71. 1040 01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:46,950 Now, you didn't have these when I interviewed you way back when. 1041 01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:52,990 There were two faded stamps for Nepal, for Kathmandu. One ended late in 1971, 1042 01:09:53,330 --> 01:09:58,490 before the hijacking, and then the other one started in April of 1972. 1043 01:09:58,950 --> 01:10:03,330 By the time the interview was over, I walked out thinking, I don't know 1044 01:10:04,050 --> 01:10:05,270 I'm totally confused. 1045 01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:10,850 Probably about a month after I was up in Santa Rosa, I called Sheridan and I 1046 01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:13,850 asked him, I thought you were going to do the paperwork and follow through with 1047 01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:14,850 the DNA filing. 1048 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:21,840 And he said, oh, you told me that I wasn't D .B. Cooper, and I don't think 1049 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,840 going to do it. 1050 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,060 And then that was it. The conversation ended. 1051 01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:31,660 And I hung up thinking, oh, my God, now that makes me really suspicious. 1052 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,180 He just wants to keep it until he dies, which is probably how it's going to play 1053 01:10:37,180 --> 01:10:38,180 out. 1054 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,620 Five weeks later, Eric arrives back in California. 1055 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:48,970 He set up a video conference meeting with a senior analyst at the lab 1056 01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:52,090 DB Cooper's DNA to one of Sheridan's daughters. 1057 01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:58,210 If his theory's right, he may finally learn the true identity of DB Cooper. 1058 01:10:58,570 --> 01:11:04,470 When I first embarked upon this investigation, I had no idea where it 1059 01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:10,110 to take me. I had no idea who I was going to encounter, let alone that I'd 1060 01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:11,110 a suspect. 1061 01:11:11,230 --> 01:11:13,630 who couldn't be ruled out by the known facts. 1062 01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:19,690 According to Sheridan, his second wife had passed away in 1977. 1063 01:11:21,870 --> 01:11:23,750 Well, he's lying about something. 1064 01:11:24,690 --> 01:11:31,630 I've often said that I believe with 98 % certainty that Sheridan 1065 01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:33,530 Peterson could be D .B. Cooper. 1066 01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:39,670 But there's always been that missing 2%, because truthfully, I've never been 1067 01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:40,810 able to find a smoking gun. 1068 01:11:41,230 --> 01:11:45,010 There's an awful lot riding on what the lab comes back with. 1069 01:11:46,770 --> 01:11:51,390 Eric Uless readies himself for DNA results that could break the case wide 1070 01:11:52,170 --> 01:11:56,970 He'll be speaking to an analyst at the lab tasked with testing a sample taken 1071 01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:59,590 directly from the tie Cooper left behind on the plane. 1072 01:12:00,050 --> 01:12:05,410 Should DNA be found within the sample, the results could reopen a near 50 -year 1073 01:12:05,410 --> 01:12:09,550 -old case and confirm Eric's suspicions about a person of interest. 1074 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:11,440 How are you? 1075 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:14,460 I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well. 1076 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,420 Well, my name is Samantha Wanzack, and I currently work at DNA Labs 1077 01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:22,580 International. We're a private laboratory out of Deerfield Beach in 1078 01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:26,940 we have clients in over 40 states, so it's very easy to go back to any cold 1079 01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:30,820 and find more work to be done. So for this case, I was actually the reporting 1080 01:12:30,820 --> 01:12:35,080 analyst for it. And how did you tackle the material that I sent to you to try 1081 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,600 ascertain whether or not there's any... 1082 01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:41,290 DNA or not. Due to the size of the filter, you actually cut it up in teeny 1083 01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:44,130 chunks and then set the whole filter for extraction. 1084 01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:47,050 That's the first stage of the DNA testing process. 1085 01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:51,550 We then try to determine how much DNA of any is present in the sample. If we 1086 01:12:51,550 --> 01:12:54,310 have enough DNA, we'll then send it forward for application. 1087 01:12:54,890 --> 01:12:58,530 When you have cases that are old, typically you'll see a sample will be 1088 01:12:58,530 --> 01:13:02,170 degraded. That DNA is just going to break apart over time and you're just 1089 01:13:02,170 --> 01:13:03,730 going to have as much intact DNA. 1090 01:13:04,590 --> 01:13:06,850 But I was very surprised with the results. 1091 01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:10,910 So there was DNA in the filter. 1092 01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:15,450 We did end up with a profile from one male individual. 1093 01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:18,730 Is there some way to quantify like the strength? 1094 01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:22,470 I mean, is it one of these things where one out of a billion people would match 1095 01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:28,030 this particular profile? Like how strong is it? What can it tell us? Typically, 1096 01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:30,250 once you have over 20 locations. 1097 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,760 You would have to see hundreds, thousands, millions of planet Earths 1098 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,020 same current population to expect to see that profile one time. 1099 01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:42,220 So once you have over the 20 locations, it usually becomes very rare. 1100 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,000 So what you're telling me is that we are the very first people outside of the 1101 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:53,460 FBI to actually have D .B. Cooper's DNA profile. 1102 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,460 I'm anxious to find out what that means. What can it tell us? 1103 01:13:58,780 --> 01:14:02,700 in comparison to DNA profile from one of Sheridan Peterson's daughters. 1104 01:14:03,740 --> 01:14:05,240 Does it match? 1105 01:14:08,620 --> 01:14:12,820 She is not the biological daughter of the male donor that we found. 1106 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,280 Wow. 1107 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,260 That's stunning. 1108 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:23,360 I mean, that's really remarkable given everything I know about this guy. 1109 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,320 It's a game changer, obviously. 1110 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:32,000 The one thing that's very encouraging to me, though, is that we have a very 1111 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,960 solid DNA profile from the tie. 1112 01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:42,280 Getting a DNA profile is so important because it can provide assurance to me 1113 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:48,400 others that this case is actually solvable. I do very much appreciate all 1114 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,420 effort that you folks put into this. 1115 01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,440 And I'm just very grateful that we've got a solid DNA profile, and I'm 1116 01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:59,720 that we have some resolution with respect to Sheridan Peterson. So, again, 1117 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,660 you very much for your efforts and your time. 1118 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,520 Please feel free to contact me with any additional questions that you have. We 1119 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:06,520 will do that. 1120 01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:13,800 Now armed with new information from the lab, Eric calls Agent Mary Jean Fryer to 1121 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,800 share the results. 1122 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,760 Right now. 1123 01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:22,860 I want to give Mary Jean a call, and I want to let her know what I have 1124 01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:29,180 Because Mary Jean has really helped move my investigation forward, and I'm sure 1125 01:15:29,180 --> 01:15:32,260 she's going to want to know what I've learned about the DNA. 1126 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,000 Hey, Mary Jean, how you doing? It's Eric Uless calling. 1127 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:44,060 I've got a DNA update. Finally have some results from the lab in Florida. 1128 01:15:44,260 --> 01:15:47,340 They did come up with a... 1129 01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:51,490 full DNA profile, and it's from a male. 1130 01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:57,110 I'm getting really excited. My stomach's like in knots because I'm hoping that 1131 01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:57,929 it's him. 1132 01:15:57,930 --> 01:16:03,650 They proved 100 % that the DNA does not match. 1133 01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:05,190 Oh, damn! 1134 01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:10,430 Sheridan Peterson is not D .B. Cooper. 1135 01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:14,930 Last conversation I had with Sheridan, he point blank refused to go forward 1136 01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:15,930 the DNA. 1137 01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,110 get the DNA results. 1138 01:16:17,290 --> 01:16:23,150 I am absolutely convinced that the DNA that we have is DB Cooper's DNA. 1139 01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:28,830 So if anybody matches this DNA profile, all 20 points, that's your guy. There's 1140 01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:30,110 absolutely no doubt about it. 1141 01:16:30,370 --> 01:16:34,490 Can we run it in databases and find him, or is this a lost cause at this point? 1142 01:16:34,810 --> 01:16:39,670 They actually can utilize it to run through the CODIS system, but of course 1143 01:16:39,670 --> 01:16:43,610 involves law enforcement getting involved and the courts getting 1144 01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:45,730 Eric, I think what you've done is... 1145 01:16:45,930 --> 01:16:46,210 I 1146 01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:57,330 honestly 1147 01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:03,950 believe we will eventually figure out who this guy was. Thank you very 1148 01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:04,950 much. Take care. 1149 01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:10,550 After narrowing down Cooper's possible landing site and eliminating an FBI 1150 01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:11,550 person of interest, 1151 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,460 Eric's even more determined to continue his mission. 1152 01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:22,080 I feel very empowered at the moment. I feel more motivated than ever because 1153 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:28,720 having this DNA profile provides an outstanding blueprint as I continue to 1154 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:34,880 pursue this case. I am now actually armed with precisely what I need 1155 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:41,260 to determine who D .B. Cooper was and, more importantly, to prove it. 1156 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,100 Time in a D .B. Cooper case has served as a double -edged sword. 1157 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,040 In one sense, you have first -hand witnesses that pass on and memories 1158 01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:57,460 But in another sense, we have advances in science and technology. 1159 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:03,040 And I think when all is said and done, time is going to be our friend because I 1160 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:09,100 firmly believe that this DNA profile is ultimately what's going to break this 1161 01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:10,180 case wide open. 1162 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,660 and is what is going to solve this case. 1163 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:18,260 The identity of D .B. Cooper has haunted investigators for nearly five decades. 1164 01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:24,280 Who is this mysterious hijacker? And will we ever finally discover his true 1165 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,220 identity? I'm Lawrence Fishburne. 1166 01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:29,940 Thank you for watching History's Greatest Mysteries. 103795

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