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And she'd say, "No, no, Mama--
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the sister from when
I lived before."
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He had these dreams, and
so detailed and precise.
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It came as a total
surprise to me
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when I found out he was
writing this alphabet
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in another language.
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"She killed me by
pushing me in the fire,
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but it was an accident and
she feels really sorry."
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Evan would tell me that he
was a Russian soldier fighting
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the Germans.
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She cried and
had probably what could
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be considered a panic attack.
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He had to kill
a lot of people.
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I told my mom that I
could not do it anymore.
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I knew there was more to
this than just coincidence.
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My goodness, we
have a problem.
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I'm Angela.
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My daughter is Kimberly, and we
live in San Diego, California.
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San Diego is the
best city to live in.
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There's everything here--
from the ocean, the mountains.
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You could surf in the
morning, ski in the afternoon,
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camp at night.
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It's beautiful.
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When I was pregnant
with Kimberly,
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I lived in an
apartment with her dad.
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I was 18, but I'd been
out of the house and away
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from my parents
for about a year.
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Of course, I thought
I was very grown up.
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But to see a positive
pregnancy test,
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figured out I probably
wasn't nearly as grown up
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as I thought I was.
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And soon after, I
moved back home.
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I certainly did not feel
prepared to raise a baby.
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My mother was very supportive.
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She wasn't excited.
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But that being said,
I knew I would be OK.
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When she was born, she was
perfect, the prettiest baby.
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I guess any mom could
say that, but I really
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did have the prettiest
baby you've ever seen--
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the perfect nose,
the perfect lips
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with the lightest cover of
the reddest hair you've ever
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seen before.
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She made her arrival and
everybody knew she was here.
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First four days of her
life was just crying--
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literally crying.
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It was all night long.
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I think I remember thinking,
you slept three hours
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and you're only three days old.
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How are you going to
grow if you're only going
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to sleep three hours a day?
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Everybody else had these
babies that slept hours.
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If they didn't sleep at night,
they slept during the day.
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Mine just didn't sleep.
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Kimmy slept so little that
the pediatrician was even
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taken aback by
that and suggested
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that I give her Benadryl
to help her sleep at night.
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I honestly thought I
was just a bad mom.
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Maybe I wasn't addressing
her needs right.
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Maybe I wasn't feeding
with the right formula.
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I really didn't know
why she was so fussy.
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As a parent, you can only go
sleep-deprived for so long.
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It got so bad at one point,
when she was four months old,
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I took her to my
mom and told my mom
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that I could not do it anymore.
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There was just no way I could
possibly function and raise
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her, given how it was
going at that point.
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And my mom took
her for the night
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and let me sleep, thankfully.
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You're tired.
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You're frustrated.
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You can't think clearly.
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You're exhausted.
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And the kid was exhausted.
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So I was glad when she
learned to at least--
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well, I don't know
if she learned
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to sleep through the
night or I just gave up
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and put her in my bed.
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But soon as I just
gave up putting her
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in a crib or her own bed,
life got much better.
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When Kimberly was a toddler,
she was very empathetic.
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She was able to pick up on the
emotions of those around her.
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So if she walked into a room
that was a very happy room,
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I had a very happy child.
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If she walked into a room
and it was very stressed,
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I would have a child that
was stressed or upset.
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It was very clear that she was
very aware of her surroundings.
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There had been a fair at
school that she really
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wanted to go to.
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We went, and it was
very busy, very chaotic.
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And in the middle
of all of the chaos,
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she essentially shut down.
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As a parent, I had
bent over backwards
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to make sure we all could go.
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And then we get there and she
cried and had probably what
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could be considered
a panic attack.
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Wanted to go, had to leave,
after she was the one that
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wanted us to go.
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I was definitely worried
about her anxiety level.
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My inner voice is telling
me that this was too much.
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Kimberly was not going to
be able to cope with this.
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Ultimately, we didn't stay,
but she's always kind of
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been like that-- not real
big on when there's just
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too much going on.
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Her anxiety never
got to the point
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where she had to
stop doing things,
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but she did get to the
point where we did take her
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to a therapist to teach
her relaxation techniques.
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I wasn't sure, but
I started to think
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that maybe her sensitive nature
was why she couldn't sleep.
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When I finally realized what
was causing her sleep issues,
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I felt completely helpless.
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My name is Dana.
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I live in Springfield, Missouri.
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I have one son, and
his name is Evan.
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Springfield is like
a big small town.
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It's considered a city.
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It's the third
largest in Missouri.
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But drive the streets,
you wouldn't really
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know it cause it feels homey.
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When I was pregnant, I
had the perfect pregnancy.
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I was happy.
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I was glowing.
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Of course, most mothers do.
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I had no morning sickness,
no problems whatsoever.
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I felt like this was
the right thing for me.
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When he was born, it was
the most amazing thing.
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He had this beaming smile and
this little round face and just
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these eyes, they were
so serene and knowing.
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He was quite an
amazing little baby.
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Evan was a normal infant--
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cried and smiled and
played and laughed.
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As he got older, he got
a little more fussy.
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He had bouts of crying
that I couldn't understand.
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People tried telling me he
had colic or some reason
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that he was unhappy
and just cried.
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There was a time when
Evan was inconsolable,
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and I imagine it started
about the age of three or four
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and continued until
about six or seven.
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He would just all of a
sudden just go into fits.
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He'd cry, and he'd
drop to the floor,
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and he'd bang his hands on
the floor, and he'd scream.
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I just felt like there
was something wrong.
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My name is Sandy, and
I'm Evan's grandmother.
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He would be just real
happy playing along,
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and all of a sudden he
would scream and holler.
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And you just couldn't
quiet him down.
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He would do that for, like, two
minutes and then it was over.
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And it was always
really strange,
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because it was out of nowhere.
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I couldn't touch him.
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I tried to cuddle
him and comfort him.
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There was nothing I could do.
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He'd continue on until he
just either got worn out
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or got tired of crying.
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But it did worry me.
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When Evan started going
to elementary school,
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he got comments
from his teachers
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that he didn't engage with
others during play period.
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He'd stay to himself.
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He'd distanced himself.
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And if anybody would
invite him to come play,
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he'd decline and stay quietly
somewhere off to the side.
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And it was really hard for them
to get him involved in group
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activities.
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He was a loner.
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I wasn't too concerned
about Evan being a loner,
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because I had been alone, and
I thought maybe it was just
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his personality and
shouldn't be a problem.
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But when he refused to get
engaged in activities at all,
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that started worrying me.
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As Evan got older, he
started having nightmares.
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He was really too young to tell
me what they were all about,
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and I don't think he even
understood it, but mostly
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with screams and sobbing,
frightening himself awake.
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I talked to him, kept the
communication very open,
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gave him plenty of chance to
talk to me about any fears
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or problems or issues
that he was dealing with,
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and he seemed to be OK on that.
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I thought they were just
regular childhood nightmares.
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But as he aged, they became
more and more intense and more
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and more frequent.
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I did wonder what
was causing them.
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Why did he have so
many really bad dreams?
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When Evan was in
elementary school,
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he used to get comments
from his teachers
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all the time about how
advanced his vocabulary was.
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He used a lot of big
words, sophisticated words.
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There was one teacher who
commented that his vocabulary
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was about four years ahead of
what other children's were.
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I'd always gotten good
remarks from Evan's teachers
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about his progress in school.
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They came as a
total surprise to me
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when I found out he was
writing this alphabet
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in another language.
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My daughter Kimberly
cried constantly as a baby
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and virtually never slept.
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She was very sensitive to
other people's feelings
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and would just sleep
with me each night.
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I was not happy.
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My concern initially was
how is this going to go?
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What is this going
to do with her?
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The great thing about
when she started to talk
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is that she would
play by herself.
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About 2 and 1/2 years
old, she was playing.
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And I could tell she was
playing with someone,
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or at least that's
what it seemed like.
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I was like, "Kimberly,
where are you talking to?"
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And she'd say, "I'm talking
to my sister, Mama."
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Kim really didn't have a
sister when she was 2 and 1/2,
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3 years old.
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I wanted to know how much did
she know about her sister.
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So I started asking questions.
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"How come you play
with your sister
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so much when you
don't have a sister?"
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And she'd say, "No, no, Mama.
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The sister from when
I lived before."
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I was a little
confused, but I didn't
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want to make it weird for her.
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So I said, OK.
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I'd shared it with
the pediatrician
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that she was playing with her
sister that she didn't have.
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But he just said she
had a great imagination.
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It's a sign of intelligence,
maybe she'll be a writer,
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and just let it go at that.
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Maybe a few weeks later,
maybe a couple months later,
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I asked Kimberly, "Does
your sister have a name?"
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Because now I want to know,
is this just a total fantasy?
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How far is this fantasy going?
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How creative is she?
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What's going to come of this?
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And Kimberly said,
"Well, yes, mom.
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Her name is Sarah.
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She likes to come play with
me because she feels sorry."
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And I asked Kimberly, "So
Kimberly, what does Sarah
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feel sorry about?"
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And she said, "Mom,
when we lived before,
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she killed me by
pushing me in the fire--
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but it was an accident
and she feels really sorry.
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In my head, I was
thinking, "Oh, my goodness.
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We have a problem.
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This is not normal."
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As soon as she has
assigned a name--
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Sarah-- and a scenario--
she killed me by pushing me
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in the fire but it
was an accident--
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I knew that this was not
just a sign of intelligence.
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It was something else.
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What that something else was,
I wasn't entirely sure of.
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I had a great
pregnancy with Evan,
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and he had a
fantastic childhood.
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He was a very happy boy.
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As he got older, he started
having the nightmares
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and separating himself
from other people,
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and I became very concerned.
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It worried me.
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When Evan was in
elementary school,
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he was being taught
the alphabet,
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and the teachers were
concerned that he
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wasn't able to learn the
alphabet the way he needed to.
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He kept bringing home
papers with letters being
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reversed or different, letters
being inserted that didn't look
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anything like the
English language.
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I'd teach him.
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I'd sit down with him
and say, "Now, this
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is how you draw your R."
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And he wouldn't do it.
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He insisted it was different.
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He'd say, "No, this
is how you write it."
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And a teacher came around
and noticed his paper.
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And she said, "Evan, do you
speak any foreign languages?"
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And it turned out that it
was the Russian alphabet
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that he was writing.
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He'd never been around
anybody Russian.
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None of my family speak Russian.
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I don't know where
he got that from.
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When Evan was very little,
he had toy soldiers
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and he loved playing with those.
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And they were the plastic
ones, about an inch
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and a half to two inches tall.
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When he learned about war, it
wasn't so much the violence
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that got him interested.
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It wasn't that at all.
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It was what really happened,
what was it all about, who
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was involved, the strategy.
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He loved strategy.
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When he was 5, 6, he would
do this thing with his hands.
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And sometimes he'd be like this.
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And he'd seem to be
in his own world.
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He could be sitting or
walking down the street,
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and he'd start doing us thing.
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And it really concerned me.
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As the years passed, and I tried
to bring it to his attention
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so he would stop-- because
I explained to him,
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it looks a little strange.
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People don't go
around doing that.
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My mom asked me, "Why is
he always doing that?"
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I said, "I don't know, Mom, but
I'm trying to break the habit."
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So finally, after enough
bringing Evan's attention
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to the times that
he was doing it,
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and when he got old enough to
verbalize and understand what
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it was he was seeing and being
aware that he was doing it,
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he said, "It's explosions.
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It's bombs going off."
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Yeah, I was concerned.
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I think about 12 years old,
that it might have stopped.
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Because Dana was able
to talk with Evan,
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making him aware of it.
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But he didn't realize
he was doing this
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or why he was doing this.
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When Evan got older, he
was able to verbalize what
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he was seeing in his dreams.
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And he could tell me things like
he saw blood or people dying,
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that he didn't understand why
or how or what was going on.
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So when he was able to
verbalize what was happening,
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he said it was war
and I was a killer.
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Why would my son be
having recurring dreams
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about being a killer?
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Most of Evan's dreams were in
places that were cold, snowy.
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Snow almost in all of them.
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He was a soldier
in the Soviet army.
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He had vivid, detailed
recollections of where he was
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and what he had to do, his
fellow soldiers, places, names.
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He'd remember the signs
that he'd see on buildings.
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And the next day, he'd
get on the computer
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and look them up and
find that these indeed
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were actual places.
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He would tell me the
Russian words in his dreams.
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And we'd get on the
computer, go to a translator,
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put in, in English, the
word and ask it to Russian.
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And there was one time he
remembered so much of this one
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particular dream, we
were just both blown away
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by what came up.
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"Get your guns."
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"Run."
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"Hurry."
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"Go faster."
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"You go left."
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"You go right"--
simple commands.
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It was quite unbelievable,
but it was all things
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to do with war.
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I remember when she
told me this about Evan,
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the little hairs stood
up on the back of my neck
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and I thought, well,
this is really something.
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When I started putting
the pieces together was when he
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started verbalizing
the dreams and telling
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in such intense detail.
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And then we started
looking on the internet,
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and these places would come
up that were actual places
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and events that had
actually happened.
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So I started thinking, gosh,
he had the hand motions
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and the bombs
exploding, he'd say.
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And he'd have letters written
differently in the alphabet.
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And he had these dreams and
so detailed and precise.
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I knew there was more to
this than just coincidence.
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Could my son be
remembering a past life?
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My son wrote
the Russian alphabet
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without knowing anything
about the Russian language.
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I didn't know what was going on,
but there were too many things
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happening.
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It just didn't make sense.
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As Evan got older,
the nightmares
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became more frequent
and more vivid.
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Evan would tell me about
a lot of his dreams,
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and there were plenty that
he didn't tell me about.
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Evan would tell me that he
was a Russian soldier fighting
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the Germans.
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He said his job was to take
people out with a rifle.
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And he thought he was a sniper,
because he worked with a rifle
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and very often on his own, and
he had to kill a lot of people.
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That's when I started thinking,
OK, there's something more
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to this.
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There's something going on here.
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When Evan would tell
me about these dreams,
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he was very
obviously distraught.
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He said he didn't want
to kill, that he had to.
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He had trouble dealing
with it, he said.
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He could feel the pain of both
himself and the other people--
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the anguish, the horror, the
dread, the fear, everything.
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And more things came to
light about his dreams.
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He said he saw himself
on his deathbed,
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and his friend came
to be with him.
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His wife was there, and
he had two children.
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And his little girl held
his hand as he died.
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Evidently, he had some
kind of affliction
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to his lungs that
ultimately caused his death.
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Pretty intense knowing which
emotions and thoughts were
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going through his mind as he was
laying there on his deathbed--
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pretty emotional.
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Death is hard anyway,
but to hear my son
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saying how he felt
about his family
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and having to say
goodbye made me cry.
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Who sees things like that?
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Perhaps he thought he was
imagining it or he was crazy.
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I took him to a
counselor, because he
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was having these nightmares.
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And he went for quite a while.
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And they didn't tell me a lot,
but they did tell me that he
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was suffering from PTSD.
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He never had any severe
trauma in his life.
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Could my son's past life trauma
be affecting him in this life?
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Kimberly couldn't
sleep at night alone,
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had an imaginary friend, who
was her sister, named Sarah.
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It was very hard to
have a child that
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was having really bad anxiety.
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You don't really know
how to help them.
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I was definitely
worried about Kimberly
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when we had to take
her to a therapist.
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No parent really wants take
their child to a therapist.
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No parent wants to
admit that they can't
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take care of their child or
address their child's needs
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on their own.
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When Kimberly
started school, I was
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worried for several reasons.
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One, she didn't sleep
through the night,
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so how was she going to function
in school if she could not
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sleep?
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And she had an imaginary
sister she played
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with on a pretty regular basis.
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And lastly, she was
very empathetic.
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So she's so busy worrying about
everybody else, how exactly was
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she going to be able
to go to school?
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When she was entering
kindergarten,
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we sat Kimberly down
and explained to her
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that talking about Sarah
and bringing Sarah to school
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was not a good idea,
because not everybody will
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be understanding.
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Not everybody will
think it is normal.
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My biggest fear was
that she was going
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to talk about living before.
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That was my biggest fear.
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It's normal for a child to
have an imaginary friend,
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but it is not entirely
normal that they
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talk about living before.
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And it's really not normal
to talk about being killed
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by being pushed in a fire.
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So taking those types
of things to school,
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my concern was that they would
think that she was somehow
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emotionally unstable
and that there
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would be some type of backlash.
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If all of the issues
that she was having
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with anxiety and
sleep were related,
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I wanted to figure that out
and get to the bottom of it.
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Kimberly had been talking about
her life before and her sister,
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Sarah, for so long that,
when she got a little older,
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I finally decided to
sit her down and ask her
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about everything she
thought she remembered.
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I didn't expect her to have
the kind of details she had.
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She said, "I lived in Liverpool,
England, between 1860 and 1870.
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My dad was a merchant.
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00:23:01,725 --> 00:23:03,382
My brother's name was Thomas."
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She was named Christina.
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She had a sister named Sarah
and a mother named Anna,
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and they were poor and
slept in a very small home,
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in a straw bed.
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That one night, when
they were all sleeping,
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the stove that they
had caused a fire.
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And because they were
sleeping in a straw bed,
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it went up very quickly.
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And her sister, thinking
that she was helping her
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during that fire
when a beam fell,
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actually pushed
her into the fire,
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because the beam fell on
Christina, who is now Kimberly.
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I wouldn't want to sleep either
if, at some point in time,
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a fire started when
I was sleeping.
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So all the little
stories about "Sarah
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wanted to come play with
her because she felt bad"
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made sense.
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Not sleeping made sense.
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When Kimberly talked
about having a sister
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and living before, it
was so matter-of-fact
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that I knew she was
telling the truth.
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She believed it.
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I started to wonder, could
my child have lived before?
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My daughter,
Kimberly, believes
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she had a past life where she
died by being pushed in a fire
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by her sister.
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She believes her sister Sarah's
presence is with her now
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in this lifetime, and
it still affects her.
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Kimberly is at a
point in her life
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right now that she's
still pretty lost.
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She doesn't really know
what she wants to do,
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where she wants to go.
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00:24:39,547 --> 00:24:41,687
I'm Kimberly,
and I'm 21 years old.
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In my past life, I passed
away in a house fire.
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I think because of the way I
passed away in my past life,
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I will probably always have
sleeping problems in this life.
486
00:24:54,665 --> 00:24:58,186
In this life, I have a
really hard time with tasks
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that involve growing up.
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High school graduation was
really stressful to me,
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because that was a stepping
stone into becoming an adult.
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And I think it's because my
last life I died really young.
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Therefore, this
time around, it's
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my first time being
an adult. Now,
493
00:25:16,307 --> 00:25:18,827
I don't see Sarah
as an apparition.
494
00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:20,691
I don't see her as a person.
495
00:25:20,726 --> 00:25:24,143
I don't ever walk into
a room and she's there.
496
00:25:24,177 --> 00:25:26,801
But I do have a
sense of someone's
497
00:25:26,835 --> 00:25:28,250
watching me sometimes.
498
00:25:28,285 --> 00:25:31,599
And for me, because of
the way I feel comforted
499
00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:34,705
and I'm not scared, I
always feel like it's Sarah.
500
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,087
I'm still really
comforted by the idea
501
00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:38,157
that she's following me.
502
00:25:40,884 --> 00:25:43,093
She really has
looked over Kimberly
503
00:25:43,127 --> 00:25:46,510
and helped Kimberly as much
as she can in this lifetime,
504
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:49,789
but it really is time
for Sarah's spirit
505
00:25:49,824 --> 00:25:53,759
to be acknowledged,
forgiven, and let go.
506
00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:56,382
She's been with
me my entire life.
507
00:25:56,416 --> 00:26:00,904
It's kind of like a security
blanket spirit for me.
508
00:26:00,938 --> 00:26:04,977
If she suddenly wasn't in
my life and I realized that,
509
00:26:05,011 --> 00:26:07,427
it would make me miss her.
510
00:26:07,462 --> 00:26:08,946
I'm hoping
to be able to have
511
00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:11,742
a one-on-one, heart-to-heart
talk with Kimberly
512
00:26:11,777 --> 00:26:14,676
about letting go
of her past life.
513
00:26:14,711 --> 00:26:19,267
And that way, both of them can
go on and be happy and healthy
514
00:26:19,301 --> 00:26:23,202
and succeed at whatever
they choose to do apart,
515
00:26:23,236 --> 00:26:24,444
but at the same time.
516
00:26:24,479 --> 00:26:26,515
And Kimberly can really just
sleep through the night.
517
00:26:35,317 --> 00:26:37,596
My son is writing
the Russian alphabet.
518
00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:39,011
He's speaking Russian.
519
00:26:39,045 --> 00:26:41,392
He's having dreams
of Russian soldiers.
520
00:26:49,573 --> 00:26:51,575
And I wanted to try to
make some sense of this.
521
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:55,475
I thought, how could this be?
522
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:58,858
The counselor asked me what Evan
had suffered through his life,
523
00:26:58,893 --> 00:27:01,033
if he'd suffered
any severe trauma.
524
00:27:01,067 --> 00:27:04,761
I looked at her, surprised,
because he hadn't experienced
525
00:27:04,795 --> 00:27:07,487
anything traumatic.
526
00:27:07,522 --> 00:27:11,630
As far as I know,
there's nothing in his childhood
527
00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:15,875
that would cause PTSD.
528
00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:18,671
At that time,
Evan was withdrawn.
529
00:27:18,706 --> 00:27:21,363
He stayed away
from other people,
530
00:27:21,398 --> 00:27:24,712
didn't want to initiate
contact with others
531
00:27:24,746 --> 00:27:26,092
or form friendships.
532
00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:27,438
He had anxiety.
533
00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:28,163
He was stressed.
534
00:27:30,959 --> 00:27:32,858
I needed to get some answers.
535
00:27:32,892 --> 00:27:35,688
I needed to help my son
live his life today.
536
00:27:35,723 --> 00:27:39,174
We started researching a lot of
the details from Evan's dreams,
537
00:27:39,209 --> 00:27:44,041
and we found that there was a
sharpshooter named Ivan Mikhail
538
00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:49,598
Sidorenko, and he was one of the
best sharpshooters in Russia.
539
00:27:49,633 --> 00:27:52,084
When Evan saw his picture,
he felt a connection
540
00:27:52,118 --> 00:27:53,119
with this man.
541
00:27:53,154 --> 00:27:55,052
They have similar
looks, that he said,
542
00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:57,365
"You know how when you
look in someone's eyes,
543
00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:58,884
you can feel something?
544
00:27:58,918 --> 00:28:01,645
I feel something
when I look at him."
545
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,855
And as we read the details of
this man's military career,
546
00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:07,858
most of it matched up
with Evan's dreams.
547
00:28:07,893 --> 00:28:12,173
In 1944, Ivan Sidorenko was
awarded the Hero of the Soviet
548
00:28:12,207 --> 00:28:15,417
Union, a very high
and prestigious award.
549
00:28:15,452 --> 00:28:18,766
Ivan Sidorenko fought
in the battle of Moscow,
550
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,527
and a lot of the details
about the Battle of Moscow
551
00:28:21,561 --> 00:28:23,943
were revealed in Evan's dreams.
552
00:28:23,978 --> 00:28:28,603
I believe that Evan could
have been Ivan Sidorenko.
553
00:28:28,637 --> 00:28:32,158
Evan's name even
matched up with Ivan's--
554
00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:36,542
Ivan Mikhailovich
and Evan Michael.
555
00:28:36,576 --> 00:28:37,646
I was floored.
556
00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:38,820
Wow.
557
00:28:38,855 --> 00:28:39,787
That could really be him.
558
00:28:48,209 --> 00:28:51,695
My son has vivid memories of
being a Russian sniper in World
559
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:52,800
War II.
560
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:54,836
He has flashbacks
that impact his life.
561
00:29:03,051 --> 00:29:06,675
I was excited to finally
see some meaning behind all
562
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:10,369
of this craziness that was
going on for so many years.
563
00:29:10,403 --> 00:29:11,888
And I was excited
to know that there
564
00:29:11,922 --> 00:29:15,443
was some kind of parallel,
possibly the actual person,
565
00:29:15,477 --> 00:29:16,547
that we could look to.
566
00:29:20,344 --> 00:29:21,760
Evan still has nightmares.
567
00:29:21,794 --> 00:29:22,933
They're not as frequent.
568
00:29:22,968 --> 00:29:27,800
He still has flashbacks,
and he still has anxiety.
569
00:29:27,835 --> 00:29:30,044
I'm Evan.
570
00:29:30,078 --> 00:29:33,633
In my past life, I believe I was
a Soviet soldier during World
571
00:29:33,668 --> 00:29:37,223
War II named Ivan Sidorenko.
572
00:29:37,258 --> 00:29:40,813
When I was a kid, I had all
these pretty bad nightmares.
573
00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:44,713
The dreams were set during World
War II on the Eastern Front
574
00:29:44,748 --> 00:29:48,027
during the time the Nazis
and Soviets were fighting
575
00:29:48,062 --> 00:29:49,373
each other.
576
00:29:49,408 --> 00:29:54,413
And that was, I think, 1941
or 1942, around those years.
577
00:29:54,447 --> 00:29:55,759
There was this one dream.
578
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,623
I was crawling, like,
through this trench.
579
00:29:57,657 --> 00:29:59,038
And I guess it was
a man-made one,
580
00:29:59,073 --> 00:30:01,144
and there was machine gun
fire and bombs going off,
581
00:30:01,178 --> 00:30:02,421
and it was super loud out.
582
00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:05,734
And it was just me and a
couple other guys and one girl.
583
00:30:05,769 --> 00:30:08,289
And I noticed there was this
big old factory in the distance,
584
00:30:08,323 --> 00:30:09,877
and I guess that
was our destination.
585
00:30:09,911 --> 00:30:10,947
And we went there.
586
00:30:10,981 --> 00:30:12,327
And as soon as we
went into the factory,
587
00:30:12,362 --> 00:30:13,846
they were our guys
so we didn't have
588
00:30:13,881 --> 00:30:15,227
to worry about the fighting.
589
00:30:15,261 --> 00:30:17,781
And I remember someone taking
me and-- like a guy with a cap.
590
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,231
I remember that
guy coming up to me
591
00:30:19,265 --> 00:30:20,680
and putting his
hand at my shoulder
592
00:30:20,715 --> 00:30:22,959
and saying, "Ivan, go up there."
593
00:30:22,993 --> 00:30:27,446
I remember him doing something
like,
594
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,173
or something like that, and
pointing up to this catwalk.
595
00:30:30,207 --> 00:30:31,622
As soon as I got
up there, I could
596
00:30:31,657 --> 00:30:34,556
see a bunch of German
tanks coming towards us.
597
00:30:34,591 --> 00:30:35,868
And I thought oh, boy.
598
00:30:35,903 --> 00:30:38,215
And I knew right away that
they wanted me to do something
599
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,355
like pick them off or something.
600
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:43,462
And I remember just
thinking, that's it.
601
00:30:43,496 --> 00:30:46,085
Holy crap, it's pretty
much up to me to defend it.
602
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,261
If not, then we're all dead.
603
00:30:51,677 --> 00:30:55,646
That was a particularly
terrifying dream.
604
00:30:55,681 --> 00:30:59,892
I would like for Evan
to have a full life,
605
00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:02,653
have a family of his
own, if he wishes.
606
00:31:02,688 --> 00:31:05,380
I want him to be happy.
607
00:31:05,415 --> 00:31:09,177
How does a person fight
memories about a war that
608
00:31:09,212 --> 00:31:11,697
happened generations ago?
609
00:31:11,731 --> 00:31:14,562
All I know is we have
to find a solution.
610
00:31:14,596 --> 00:31:17,323
Will my son ever be able
to put the past behind him
611
00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:18,393
and move on?
612
00:31:18,428 --> 00:31:19,774
I just hope it's not too late.
613
00:31:31,337 --> 00:31:34,858
Me and Kimberly are here today
so that we can talk about her
614
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,413
letting go of the past
life and of Sarah,
615
00:31:38,448 --> 00:31:41,623
giving Kimberly the permission
to move forward in this life
616
00:31:41,658 --> 00:31:43,384
and be comfortable and happy.
617
00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:53,981
It is important for
Kimberly to move on
618
00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:58,330
so that she can be happy
and healthy and content
619
00:31:58,364 --> 00:32:03,093
in this life, without
being burdened or worried
620
00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:05,302
about the past life.
621
00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:09,030
You need help to move forward
and grow up and be an adult,
622
00:32:09,065 --> 00:32:11,481
and you have every
right to do that.
623
00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:15,968
So for me, there's a few reasons
why I think that you should let
624
00:32:16,003 --> 00:32:17,176
Sarah go.
625
00:32:17,211 --> 00:32:20,386
And some of those are maybe
you would sleep better,
626
00:32:20,421 --> 00:32:22,941
maybe you would
have less anxiety.
627
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,908
When I
was in my past life,
628
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:28,498
I did share a room with
Sarah and my littler brother.
629
00:32:28,532 --> 00:32:32,398
And today I cannot
sleep by myself.
630
00:32:32,433 --> 00:32:34,055
I'm going to miss her.
631
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:35,954
Maybe she could be
born and come back
632
00:32:35,988 --> 00:32:40,303
and you can kind of be thankful
for what you've had with her,
633
00:32:40,337 --> 00:32:42,477
but know that it's
time to move forward.
634
00:32:42,512 --> 00:32:45,377
I do want her to be able to
move on and do her next life
635
00:32:45,411 --> 00:32:47,862
and be her own person.
636
00:32:47,896 --> 00:32:50,830
I don't want to hold onto
the memories that are bad.
637
00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:53,695
I prefer to hang onto the
memories of the good times,
638
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:55,559
talking to my
sister in this life.
639
00:32:55,594 --> 00:32:59,115
And we're both at a point where
I need to grow up in this life,
640
00:32:59,149 --> 00:33:01,048
and she has to grow
up into her next one.
641
00:33:01,082 --> 00:33:02,428
Kimberly
has been holding
642
00:33:02,463 --> 00:33:05,052
onto her past life and her
sister, Sarah, for such
643
00:33:05,086 --> 00:33:06,432
a long time.
644
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:07,951
If I can get her
to let go of Sarah,
645
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,816
maybe I can get her to
move on from her past life.
646
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:13,370
I'm hoping Kimberly can
move on with this life
647
00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:15,752
and Sarah can move
on to her next life.
648
00:33:15,786 --> 00:33:20,032
So I was thinking that we could
light a couple of candles,
649
00:33:20,067 --> 00:33:24,726
one for you and one for Sarah,
and maybe say a prayer to Saint
650
00:33:24,761 --> 00:33:29,007
Michael and help you and her
break your bond that you've
651
00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:30,732
had your whole life.
652
00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:33,011
We've chosen saying a
prayer to Saint Michael
653
00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:36,566
because we are of
Catholic faith.
654
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,224
They say that Saint
Michael is the saint that
655
00:33:39,258 --> 00:33:42,054
is closest to angels.
656
00:33:42,089 --> 00:33:45,195
He is a connection
between both worlds,
657
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:49,372
and it is thought that he can
help sever ties when there's
658
00:33:49,406 --> 00:33:52,030
ties that are too
closely linked.
659
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:53,514
What do you think about that?
660
00:33:53,548 --> 00:33:56,068
I think opening the door
would be a good start.
661
00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,175
I never thought about
using a patron saint.
662
00:33:59,209 --> 00:34:02,247
I wear a saint every day, so
I think it was the right route
663
00:34:02,281 --> 00:34:03,662
to go.
664
00:34:03,696 --> 00:34:06,527
Saint Michael, please
help Sarah say goodbye so
665
00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:10,289
that Kimberly can be happy
and Sarah can look down on her
666
00:34:10,324 --> 00:34:12,188
and be happy for her.
667
00:34:12,222 --> 00:34:16,261
I want to call
Saint Michael to help her bear
668
00:34:16,295 --> 00:34:19,574
the weight so that
she can move on,
669
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:21,404
because I don't want
to hold her back,
670
00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:24,269
as much as she doesn't
want to hold me back.
671
00:34:24,303 --> 00:34:27,444
And they both could move
forward in a positive manner.
672
00:34:27,479 --> 00:34:28,238
Amen
673
00:34:28,273 --> 00:34:28,997
Amen.
674
00:34:33,140 --> 00:34:35,038
Look.
675
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:36,971
There's only one.
676
00:34:37,005 --> 00:34:39,387
Maybe that means something.
677
00:34:39,422 --> 00:34:42,218
I was really, really surprised
to see her candle went out
678
00:34:42,252 --> 00:34:45,255
in the middle of talking
to Saint Michael.
679
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:48,465
That means a lot to me, because
I think that's her showing me
680
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,157
that she's ready to move on.
681
00:34:51,296 --> 00:34:54,022
I'm feeling pretty
good about how it went.
682
00:34:54,057 --> 00:34:57,957
Clearly, she still carries
a lot of emotion for it,
683
00:34:57,992 --> 00:35:02,100
but hopefully this will bring
the closure that she needs.
684
00:35:02,134 --> 00:35:03,101
And how are you?
685
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:04,619
Are you OK?
686
00:35:04,654 --> 00:35:07,588
I think I'm OK just
because I saw it.
687
00:35:07,622 --> 00:35:08,554
Right.
688
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:12,213
Like, I saw her
take the invitation.
689
00:35:12,248 --> 00:35:13,283
I think that means a lot.
690
00:35:13,318 --> 00:35:14,112
Yeah.
691
00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:14,940
Like, a lot.
692
00:35:28,091 --> 00:35:31,646
I think I'll be able to move on
really well making adult steps,
693
00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:34,235
like going to college
and getting a degree
694
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:36,720
and setting myself
up with a career.
695
00:35:36,755 --> 00:35:41,242
I think it'll be easier for
me because I know that--
696
00:35:41,277 --> 00:35:49,216
I know it's time for
me to become an adult.
697
00:35:50,665 --> 00:35:53,461
My son, Evan,
has nightmares.
698
00:35:53,496 --> 00:35:56,878
He has very vivid dreams.
699
00:35:56,913 --> 00:35:58,742
His past memories are
still affecting his life.
700
00:36:08,545 --> 00:36:11,583
Will my son ever be able
to put the past behind him
701
00:36:11,617 --> 00:36:13,550
and move on?
702
00:36:13,585 --> 00:36:17,244
There is a therapist that's
going to be coming to speak
703
00:36:17,278 --> 00:36:21,282
to Evan to try to help him deal
with his problems, his fears
704
00:36:21,317 --> 00:36:23,181
and anxieties and
his nightmares.
705
00:36:23,215 --> 00:36:24,216
I'm looking forward to it.
706
00:36:24,251 --> 00:36:26,391
I really hope she can help him.
707
00:36:26,425 --> 00:36:27,599
I'm Michelle Rubin.
708
00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:31,050
I am a psychotherapist,
which is a talk therapist.
709
00:36:31,085 --> 00:36:33,225
People come and talk to me
about all kinds of issues
710
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,641
in their lives, but
I have a specialty
711
00:36:35,676 --> 00:36:39,300
both in grief and loss
and in spirituality.
712
00:36:39,335 --> 00:36:41,406
And I'm here in
Springfield, Missouri,
713
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,408
to meet with Evan and his mom--
714
00:36:43,442 --> 00:36:44,616
Nice to meet you.
- Hi, Evan.
715
00:36:44,650 --> 00:36:46,238
Nice to meet you, Michelle.
- Hi, Evan.
716
00:36:46,273 --> 00:36:47,550
So nice to meet you.
717
00:36:47,584 --> 00:36:50,069
because he has memories,
since he was a little boy,
718
00:36:50,104 --> 00:36:53,728
of being a Russian
sniper in World War II,
719
00:36:53,763 --> 00:36:57,767
and this has caused
him a lot of stress.
720
00:36:57,801 --> 00:37:00,218
So I'm curious to work
with him and find out
721
00:37:00,252 --> 00:37:01,909
how this is affecting
his life today
722
00:37:01,943 --> 00:37:05,119
and see what we can do
to help him move forward
723
00:37:05,153 --> 00:37:07,742
and feel more at
peace with this.
724
00:37:07,777 --> 00:37:10,193
You know, I want to
sort of turn it to you.
725
00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:11,263
We've spoken on the phone.
726
00:37:11,298 --> 00:37:12,264
Yeah.
727
00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:13,679
I've got some of
the base information
728
00:37:13,714 --> 00:37:16,993
that you happened to come
into this life remembering
729
00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:17,821
your past life.
730
00:37:17,856 --> 00:37:19,133
Yeah, it is pretty freaky.
731
00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:20,307
I'm not going to lie.
732
00:37:20,341 --> 00:37:21,722
I've lived with
it my whole life.
733
00:37:21,756 --> 00:37:25,588
And you know, once I figured
out what all this actually was,
734
00:37:25,622 --> 00:37:27,624
I thought, oh, OK,
so I'm not crazy.
735
00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:31,041
And then the next problem
became, well, now that we know,
736
00:37:31,076 --> 00:37:32,180
who can I tell?
737
00:37:32,215 --> 00:37:34,182
And for that matter, who
can I tell and trust?
738
00:37:34,217 --> 00:37:38,117
So you've done a lot of, it
seems like, soul-searching.
739
00:37:38,152 --> 00:37:39,360
Yeah.
740
00:37:39,395 --> 00:37:41,604
How is this
impacting your life right now?
741
00:37:41,638 --> 00:37:43,502
Right now, I
still have those dreams
742
00:37:43,537 --> 00:37:46,333
and stuff like that
still does go on.
743
00:37:46,367 --> 00:37:47,610
So it's not completely gone?
744
00:37:47,644 --> 00:37:48,680
No, no, no.
745
00:37:48,714 --> 00:37:52,787
By no means is it,
like, just wiped away.
746
00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:54,996
If you think of me
as, like, a room,
747
00:37:55,031 --> 00:37:57,240
there's that little dark
spider in the corner.
748
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,035
He used to consume
the whole room,
749
00:37:59,069 --> 00:38:02,314
but somebody came along and put
him in a little tiny corner.
750
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:03,488
So it's still kind of there.
751
00:38:03,522 --> 00:38:05,455
But every now and then,
it'll spin its web down
752
00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:06,525
and try and eat at you.
753
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,113
So it doesn't bother
you all the time,
754
00:38:08,147 --> 00:38:09,597
but it's kind of
just lurking there.
755
00:38:09,632 --> 00:38:10,874
Yeah.
- It could show up.
756
00:38:10,909 --> 00:38:12,013
You don't know when, maybe.
757
00:38:12,048 --> 00:38:13,567
Lurking--
that's a perfect word.
758
00:38:13,601 --> 00:38:14,844
Lurking, OK.
- Yeah.
759
00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:18,088
So one thing we haven't
hit on is this idea
760
00:38:18,123 --> 00:38:21,195
that you've, somewhere along
the line, gotten a diagnosis.
761
00:38:21,229 --> 00:38:22,576
Is that right?
762
00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:27,408
He was told by a counselor
that he had symptoms of PTSD.
763
00:38:27,443 --> 00:38:30,480
They suggested that he
go to a psychiatrist.
764
00:38:30,515 --> 00:38:33,759
But we aren't in that
vein of give him a pill,
765
00:38:33,794 --> 00:38:34,967
it'll be better.
766
00:38:35,002 --> 00:38:36,866
And that's what I was
afraid that would happen,
767
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,178
is they'd just give him some
kind of medication instead
768
00:38:39,213 --> 00:38:40,732
of getting to the
root of the problem.
769
00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:42,837
Because I don't think
many psychiatrists
770
00:38:42,872 --> 00:38:45,771
would say, oh, yeah, let's
check out this past life thing.
771
00:38:45,806 --> 00:38:48,049
So now I'll throw in one
of the, I was going to say,
772
00:38:48,084 --> 00:38:50,017
the philosophies that
has sort of come out--
773
00:38:50,051 --> 00:38:51,190
Yeah.
774
00:38:51,225 --> 00:38:52,882
that I've heard
myself and I've read.
775
00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:56,610
It's sort of the idea that our
soul needs to keep coming back
776
00:38:56,644 --> 00:38:58,922
to experience every angle.
777
00:38:58,957 --> 00:39:01,580
Some you're the victim and
some you're the perpetrator.
778
00:39:01,615 --> 00:39:05,515
Some you're madly in
love, some you're alone.
779
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:07,068
And really, you
have to, like, come
780
00:39:07,103 --> 00:39:09,416
into many, many, many
different lifetimes
781
00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:10,762
to gather all of that knowledge.
782
00:39:10,796 --> 00:39:14,386
It's not that someone is
evil and someone's good.
783
00:39:14,421 --> 00:39:16,388
You're not going to
be judged for the life
784
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:18,045
that you killed people in war.
785
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,495
And even if you
were good at it, it
786
00:39:19,529 --> 00:39:21,807
doesn't mean you were
a bad spirit or soul.
787
00:39:21,842 --> 00:39:25,086
That was just that one
lesson in that one life.
788
00:39:25,121 --> 00:39:26,467
Does that make--
789
00:39:26,502 --> 00:39:28,435
So it's not really
a personal thing?
790
00:39:28,469 --> 00:39:30,022
It's just a thing
that happened to me.
791
00:39:30,057 --> 00:39:31,403
Exactly.
Yeah.
792
00:39:31,438 --> 00:39:33,785
Is there anything else you'd
want to share that we haven't
793
00:39:33,819 --> 00:39:34,682
covered--
Well--
794
00:39:34,717 --> 00:39:36,097
today?
795
00:39:36,132 --> 00:39:37,720
- I've always wondered,
will the dreams ever just stop
796
00:39:37,754 --> 00:39:41,309
one day and just be like, poof,
and I don't still have to ever
797
00:39:41,344 --> 00:39:42,587
worry about that again?
798
00:39:42,621 --> 00:39:44,312
Or is that all that's
going to be there?
799
00:39:44,347 --> 00:39:47,523
I think the more work
you do on it to clear it,
800
00:39:47,557 --> 00:39:49,835
almost like a clearing, you
could probably access it
801
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:51,492
if you wanted to for
different reasons,
802
00:39:51,527 --> 00:39:54,012
but I think that it wouldn't
be coming to you when you don't
803
00:39:54,046 --> 00:39:55,151
want it to.
804
00:39:55,185 --> 00:39:56,946
So what you're saying
is, it could keep going?
805
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:58,396
Yeah, it could keep
going downhill.
806
00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:00,018
Well, that's good.
That's good to note.
807
00:40:00,052 --> 00:40:03,504
But for today, I don't
know how you felt about it,
808
00:40:03,539 --> 00:40:05,851
but it was a pleasure
for me to meet you,
809
00:40:05,886 --> 00:40:07,439
and for you to
share all of this.
810
00:40:07,474 --> 00:40:08,682
Thank you.
811
00:40:08,716 --> 00:40:10,442
And I look forward to
continuing our work together.
812
00:40:10,477 --> 00:40:12,755
Well, thank you very
much, and I really appreciate
813
00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,446
meeting you too, Michelle.
And that was--
814
00:40:14,481 --> 00:40:15,654
Yes, thank you.
Yeah.
815
00:40:15,689 --> 00:40:17,000
It really helps a lot, you know.
816
00:40:17,035 --> 00:40:18,623
And I'm sure all that
advice will help,
817
00:40:18,657 --> 00:40:20,245
and I'll probably
learn a thing or two.
818
00:40:20,279 --> 00:40:21,971
Well, thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
819
00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:23,248
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
820
00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:24,145
Thank you so much.
821
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,215
Thank you.
822
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:28,253
I don't think Evan's
past life in Russia
823
00:40:28,287 --> 00:40:32,568
as a sniper is something
he has to get over, per se.
824
00:40:32,602 --> 00:40:34,086
I've given him some resources.
825
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:36,261
I gave him a couple
books and some CDs
826
00:40:36,295 --> 00:40:39,298
and even a worksheet that goes
with the CDs that will really
827
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,715
help him get more knowledge
about the subject,
828
00:40:41,749 --> 00:40:44,752
so that he can look at it from
the big picture perspective
829
00:40:44,787 --> 00:40:47,893
and not be so focused on the
specific things that happened
830
00:40:47,928 --> 00:40:49,792
in this one lifetime for him.
831
00:40:49,826 --> 00:40:52,380
I'm excited for him as he's
going to get better and move
832
00:40:52,415 --> 00:40:53,554
forward.
833
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:55,832
I was able to get
a good sense of direction
834
00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:59,146
with where I should go
in my life from here.
835
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,804
I'm very glad that I was able
to have that talk with Michelle
836
00:41:01,838 --> 00:41:04,979
and that it'll help me
be able to move forward.
837
00:41:14,886 --> 00:41:17,095
I thought it went really well.
838
00:41:17,129 --> 00:41:19,546
Evan got a chance to talk about
a lot of things that's been
839
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:21,755
on his mind for many years.
840
00:41:21,789 --> 00:41:25,206
So I think there's
progress already.
841
00:41:25,241 --> 00:41:26,173
Come on, baby.
842
00:41:26,207 --> 00:41:27,623
In the next few
years, I'm not sure
843
00:41:27,657 --> 00:41:29,003
exactly where I see myself.
844
00:41:29,038 --> 00:41:31,523
But I'm sure, wherever
I go or whatever I do,
845
00:41:31,558 --> 00:41:34,215
I see myself in a much
more positive light,
846
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:37,771
and I definitely feel like
this knowledge will benefit me.
847
00:41:37,805 --> 00:41:39,738
I love Evan
with all my heart.
848
00:41:39,773 --> 00:41:41,119
He's my only son.
849
00:41:41,153 --> 00:41:41,913
Love him dearly.
850
00:41:41,947 --> 00:41:43,604
We've always been close.
851
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,192
I want the world for Evan.
852
00:41:45,226 --> 00:41:48,506
I want him to have the joyous
life he was put here to have.
853
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:51,785
I want him to be a whole person
and living in the present, now.
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