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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:15,705 My son was remembering events that 2 00:00:15,739 --> 00:00:17,534 did not happen in his life. 3 00:00:17,569 --> 00:00:22,194 And he said, are we going to see my old dad? 4 00:00:22,229 --> 00:00:24,679 When his old dad came back from the war, 5 00:00:24,714 --> 00:00:27,061 the house had to be dark and quiet. 6 00:00:27,096 --> 00:00:28,545 When he would get upset or angry, 7 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:30,513 he would pound his head on the floor. 8 00:00:30,547 --> 00:00:33,516 And he started saying, when my old dad was in the war, 9 00:00:33,550 --> 00:00:36,036 his friends had to pick him up and carry him to safety. 10 00:00:36,070 --> 00:00:38,417 And he said that there was blood spilling. 11 00:00:38,452 --> 00:00:41,834 Then he said he was in a car driving like this on a road 12 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:43,560 and that his car wrecked. 13 00:00:43,595 --> 00:00:45,838 That was the moment that I realized that Riley might 14 00:00:45,873 --> 00:00:49,083 be remembering a past life. 15 00:00:49,118 --> 00:00:51,223 I thought that they would think she's crazy. 16 00:00:51,258 --> 00:00:53,708 Am I really hearing what I'm hearing? 17 00:00:53,743 --> 00:00:56,194 I was convinced that my brother's soul had come back 18 00:00:56,228 --> 00:00:57,057 to me and my son. 19 00:01:08,999 --> 00:01:12,831 My name is Joanna, and I have two sons named Riley and Aiden. 20 00:01:12,865 --> 00:01:15,696 My two sons are 6 and 3. 21 00:01:15,730 --> 00:01:18,216 Sacramento is a really great place to live. 22 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:20,287 It's the capital of California. 23 00:01:20,321 --> 00:01:22,634 There's about 500,000 people here. 24 00:01:22,668 --> 00:01:24,739 We live in a smaller area. 25 00:01:24,774 --> 00:01:27,156 When you go downtown, it feels like a big city, 26 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:29,158 but it's a great place to raise kids. 27 00:01:29,192 --> 00:01:30,090 Hi, I'm Nick. 28 00:01:30,124 --> 00:01:31,677 I am Riley and Aiden's father. 29 00:01:31,712 --> 00:01:32,885 I'm an attorney. 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,991 I work with abused and neglected kids or children 31 00:01:35,025 --> 00:01:36,372 at risk of abuse and neglect. 32 00:01:36,406 --> 00:01:39,582 My work deals with the most difficult things 33 00:01:39,616 --> 00:01:41,342 you can imagine that happen to children. 34 00:01:41,377 --> 00:01:45,139 And so I've heard lots of very difficult stories from kids. 35 00:01:45,174 --> 00:01:47,521 I am a marriage and family therapist. 36 00:01:47,555 --> 00:01:50,662 I work with kids 0 to 21 and I see a lot of trauma 37 00:01:50,696 --> 00:01:52,940 and a lot of families that are struggling. 38 00:01:52,974 --> 00:01:57,565 So I'm more careful about how I parent and how I'm 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,502 raising the boys so that we create a loving environment. 40 00:02:03,537 --> 00:02:06,091 We had actually been told that we weren't 41 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:07,610 going to be able to have kids. 42 00:02:07,644 --> 00:02:09,922 I had some abdominal problems. 43 00:02:09,957 --> 00:02:11,510 And they never figured out what it was. 44 00:02:11,545 --> 00:02:14,030 I was definitely afraid because I didn't understand what was 45 00:02:14,064 --> 00:02:16,170 going on with me physically. 46 00:02:16,205 --> 00:02:17,999 It was it was a shock to us. 47 00:02:18,034 --> 00:02:20,450 And I think we were both trying to adjust to that. 48 00:02:20,485 --> 00:02:21,865 Nick was in law school. 49 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:23,143 I was in grad school. 50 00:02:23,177 --> 00:02:25,904 And our plan was to start trying after we graduated. 51 00:02:25,938 --> 00:02:29,183 My OB said try now because it could take up to a year. 52 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:32,255 So we started trying and we were pregnant within a month. 53 00:02:36,294 --> 00:02:37,985 We were, like, in shock. 54 00:02:38,019 --> 00:02:39,366 And we just stared at each other. 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,401 And he hugged me. 56 00:02:40,436 --> 00:02:41,230 And I hugged him. 57 00:02:41,264 --> 00:02:42,990 And we were like, oh my gosh. 58 00:02:43,024 --> 00:02:44,405 What just happened? 59 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,718 Riley was gorgeous when he was born. 60 00:02:46,752 --> 00:02:48,478 He came out, he looked perfect. 61 00:02:48,513 --> 00:02:50,584 He had this beautiful little face. 62 00:02:50,618 --> 00:02:51,688 He was loving. 63 00:02:51,723 --> 00:02:53,311 He was very sweet. 64 00:02:53,345 --> 00:02:55,313 And he started talking really young 65 00:02:55,347 --> 00:02:58,454 and had a great vocabulary. 66 00:02:58,488 --> 00:03:01,353 He was always comfortable with older folks. 67 00:03:01,388 --> 00:03:03,562 Even as a baby, he was very engaging to people. 68 00:03:08,015 --> 00:03:10,328 We noticed Riley was having a hard time sleeping, 69 00:03:10,362 --> 00:03:11,846 I think, in the hospital. 70 00:03:11,881 --> 00:03:13,331 He was a horrible sleeper. 71 00:03:13,365 --> 00:03:15,229 He always was. 72 00:03:15,264 --> 00:03:18,543 He'd sleep about 20 minutes and then wake up screaming. 73 00:03:18,577 --> 00:03:20,959 I remember Nick and I looking at each other one night. 74 00:03:20,993 --> 00:03:22,892 And we're like, what have we done? 75 00:03:22,926 --> 00:03:24,549 This is just so exhausting. 76 00:03:24,583 --> 00:03:26,551 We never thought it would be like this. 77 00:03:26,585 --> 00:03:30,244 We were exhausted a lot and fussy as parents, 78 00:03:30,279 --> 00:03:31,797 because he'd wake up. 79 00:03:31,832 --> 00:03:33,454 When he was about three or four, 80 00:03:33,489 --> 00:03:39,219 he would wake up and be having night terrors. 81 00:03:39,253 --> 00:03:41,497 He would wake up in the middle of the night screaming. 82 00:03:43,015 --> 00:03:47,088 And we would go in and realize that he was not awake. 83 00:03:47,123 --> 00:03:49,401 And so we would sit there with him until he settled back 84 00:03:49,436 --> 00:03:50,816 in the bed. 85 00:03:50,851 --> 00:03:56,960 I remember feeling just sort of at a loss for what to do. 86 00:03:56,995 --> 00:03:59,377 I ended up being hard on myself because I thought 87 00:03:59,411 --> 00:04:01,517 I was doing something wrong. 88 00:04:01,551 --> 00:04:04,036 I'd say probably four or five times out of the week he comes 89 00:04:04,071 --> 00:04:09,283 into our bed and we're not really sure why. 90 00:04:09,318 --> 00:04:12,804 And then one day, I think we were driving, 91 00:04:12,838 --> 00:04:18,016 and he said something like, are we going to see my old dad? 92 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:21,295 Nick and I kind of looked at each other and we laughed. 93 00:04:21,330 --> 00:04:22,296 Oh, haha. 94 00:04:22,331 --> 00:04:23,332 And then I made a joke. 95 00:04:23,366 --> 00:04:24,988 I kind of hit Nick on the shoulder. 96 00:04:25,023 --> 00:04:26,438 I said, he just called you old. 97 00:04:26,473 --> 00:04:28,026 He said, no. 98 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:29,407 I'm not saying you're old. 99 00:04:29,441 --> 00:04:32,099 I'm talking about my old dad. 100 00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:36,137 And then we were very shocked. 101 00:04:36,172 --> 00:04:39,037 He started giving more details about his old dad. 102 00:04:39,071 --> 00:04:40,383 It would be in the car ride. 103 00:04:40,418 --> 00:04:43,213 I'd pick him up from daycare and say, oh, how was your day? 104 00:04:43,248 --> 00:04:46,320 And he'd say, my old dad used to ask me that all the time. 105 00:04:46,355 --> 00:04:49,047 And are you going to take me to see my old dad? 106 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:52,947 And then he would say things like, thingamajigger and wonky. 107 00:04:52,982 --> 00:04:54,811 And I'd say, oh, where'd you learn that word? 108 00:04:54,846 --> 00:04:56,572 Oh, my old dad. 109 00:04:56,606 --> 00:04:59,299 It was at least one conversation a day 110 00:04:59,333 --> 00:05:01,370 he would mention his old dad. 111 00:05:01,404 --> 00:05:04,476 For me, I'm like, well, I'm your dad, 112 00:05:04,511 --> 00:05:06,271 so what's this about? 113 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:07,962 I just wanted to hear what he had to say. 114 00:05:07,997 --> 00:05:10,586 I think sometimes it would come up for him when I would ask him 115 00:05:10,620 --> 00:05:11,863 to do something. 116 00:05:11,897 --> 00:05:13,554 And the response would be, well, my old dad wouldn't 117 00:05:13,589 --> 00:05:15,176 make me do that stuff. 118 00:05:15,211 --> 00:05:17,006 I said, well, he's not here right now. 119 00:05:20,285 --> 00:05:22,391 I thought, OK, what's going on here? 120 00:05:22,425 --> 00:05:25,532 Because for months he's been talking about this old dad. 121 00:05:25,566 --> 00:05:28,086 I sort of freaked out because I thought 122 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,882 there's way more to this than we thought. 123 00:05:30,916 --> 00:05:33,229 Nick just said, there's nothing more to it. 124 00:05:33,263 --> 00:05:36,197 Don't read so much into it. 125 00:05:36,232 --> 00:05:38,165 As he gave me more detail, then I 126 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,168 started to feel confused and worried 127 00:05:41,202 --> 00:05:43,239 about what was going on for him. 128 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,426 Centennial is a city southeast of Denver. 129 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:02,016 Centennial is great because of its close proximity to Denver. 130 00:06:02,051 --> 00:06:04,916 Centennial was formed 15 years ago. 131 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:06,642 There's a lot of kids in the neighborhood, 132 00:06:06,676 --> 00:06:09,196 has great schools, lots of parks, 133 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:11,992 walking trails, community centers 134 00:06:12,026 --> 00:06:15,444 that are good for families to have around. 135 00:06:15,478 --> 00:06:16,583 My name is Trenny. 136 00:06:16,617 --> 00:06:20,000 I have four children-- one girl and three boys. 137 00:06:20,034 --> 00:06:22,382 My pregnancy with Noah was probably the easiest out 138 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:25,074 of the four. 139 00:06:25,108 --> 00:06:28,629 I gained very little weight, ate super healthy, jogging 140 00:06:28,664 --> 00:06:31,080 and walking up until the day he was born. 141 00:06:31,114 --> 00:06:34,255 Noah was a very hard headed and loving baby. 142 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:37,431 He was just a happy-go-lucky, free spirited 143 00:06:37,466 --> 00:06:38,294 little boy. 144 00:06:38,328 --> 00:06:39,433 Fun to be around. 145 00:06:39,468 --> 00:06:40,503 Fun to play with. 146 00:06:40,538 --> 00:06:42,367 He walked at about nine months 147 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:43,989 and just took off running. 148 00:06:44,024 --> 00:06:46,544 When he was 18 months old, he jumped 149 00:06:46,578 --> 00:06:48,200 on a battery-powered four-wheeler 150 00:06:48,235 --> 00:06:51,134 and took off across the cul-de-sac in his diaper. 151 00:06:51,169 --> 00:06:52,688 He just-- he was all boy. 152 00:06:56,485 --> 00:06:57,865 Noah was very much a rebel. 153 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:00,247 Very stubborn. 154 00:07:00,281 --> 00:07:03,146 Definitely had his own agenda from day one. 155 00:07:03,181 --> 00:07:04,803 When he would get upset or angry, 156 00:07:04,838 --> 00:07:08,289 he would pound his head on the floor. 157 00:07:08,324 --> 00:07:10,395 I remember telling Noah not go down the slide when 158 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:11,948 my daughter, his sister, was still 159 00:07:11,983 --> 00:07:13,467 sitting at the bottom of it. 160 00:07:13,502 --> 00:07:15,573 And he looked at me and laughed and did it anyway. 161 00:07:15,607 --> 00:07:18,334 And then his teeth went into her head 162 00:07:18,368 --> 00:07:19,818 and she ended up with stitches. 163 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:24,927 Going into toddler and preschool, 164 00:07:24,961 --> 00:07:27,412 he had some very bad speech impediments. 165 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:29,103 And he could not speak clearly. 166 00:07:29,138 --> 00:07:31,209 And it was very hard for people to understand him. 167 00:07:31,243 --> 00:07:33,625 My mom had a really hard time understanding him. 168 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:34,661 I even had a hard time. 169 00:07:40,011 --> 00:07:41,702 When Noah was around three years old, 170 00:07:41,737 --> 00:07:44,256 I was driving and had my daughter with me. 171 00:07:44,291 --> 00:07:47,432 And he kept looking at me in the rear view mirror trying 172 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:48,778 to get my attention. 173 00:07:48,813 --> 00:07:51,125 I was totally tuned out, totally ignoring him. 174 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,542 I just thought he was being a kid because they'll say Mom, 175 00:07:53,576 --> 00:07:55,095 Mom, Mom, a dozen times. 176 00:07:55,129 --> 00:07:58,650 All of a sudden, my 3-year-old son glares at me in the mirror 177 00:07:58,685 --> 00:08:00,963 and he says, dammit, Hanny, listen to me. 178 00:08:00,997 --> 00:08:03,655 Listen to me. 179 00:08:03,690 --> 00:08:06,624 I had to pull over because my toddler just 180 00:08:06,658 --> 00:08:07,935 swore at me. 181 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:11,491 And to hear that name come out of my son's mouth really 182 00:08:11,525 --> 00:08:13,389 shook me up. 183 00:08:13,423 --> 00:08:17,773 I was at work and Trenny called me and she was crying. 184 00:08:17,807 --> 00:08:19,499 And I said, what is wrong? 185 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:23,675 And she said, you're not going to believe what just happened. 186 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:27,092 The last time I heard someone call me Hanny would have been 187 00:08:27,127 --> 00:08:30,026 before my brother's passing. 188 00:08:30,061 --> 00:08:32,442 No one else called her Hanny-- 189 00:08:32,477 --> 00:08:36,136 not her friends, not her dad, not me. 190 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:41,590 It was a name that Craig had for Trenny and called her that. 191 00:08:41,624 --> 00:08:45,455 My brother died in 1993 and Noah was born in 1998. 192 00:08:45,490 --> 00:08:47,872 So there's no way anyone would've told Noah what 193 00:08:47,906 --> 00:08:49,218 my nickname was as a child. 194 00:08:49,252 --> 00:08:50,322 Hanny. 195 00:08:50,357 --> 00:08:52,428 When he said damn it, Hanny, 196 00:08:52,462 --> 00:08:54,154 it was crystal clear. 197 00:08:54,188 --> 00:08:57,088 His voice lowered and it sounded a little spooky. 198 00:08:57,122 --> 00:08:58,296 Listen to me. 199 00:08:58,330 --> 00:09:00,850 The hard noises in the back of his throat like g, 200 00:09:00,885 --> 00:09:03,439 c, those things, he could not say. 201 00:09:03,473 --> 00:09:05,924 So for him to actually make a sound 202 00:09:05,959 --> 00:09:09,652 with a g in the back of his throat was very shocking to me. 203 00:09:09,687 --> 00:09:11,102 Listen to me. 204 00:09:11,136 --> 00:09:13,518 I don't even know what was going through my mind. 205 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:15,727 I actually started to shake and I cried. 206 00:09:15,762 --> 00:09:18,661 And while I'm doing that, my daughter's in the back seat. 207 00:09:18,696 --> 00:09:21,664 And she said, why are you calling Mommy Hanny? 208 00:09:21,699 --> 00:09:25,668 And he looked at her and he said, because she is Hanny. 209 00:09:25,703 --> 00:09:28,498 And he looked back at me and he said, you know you're Hanny. 210 00:09:31,536 --> 00:09:34,850 Clearly, it was an emotional moment for her. 211 00:09:34,884 --> 00:09:37,300 I could hear it in her voice when she called me. 212 00:09:37,335 --> 00:09:42,374 But I did not think that there was a connection with his uncle 213 00:09:42,409 --> 00:09:44,169 Craig at the moment. 214 00:09:44,204 --> 00:09:46,240 I tried to explain the situation to her, 215 00:09:46,275 --> 00:09:49,589 and I think she was a little in disbelief at what I was saying, 216 00:09:49,623 --> 00:09:52,108 maybe because he did have poor speech. 217 00:09:52,143 --> 00:09:53,869 But I knew what I had heard. 218 00:09:53,903 --> 00:09:57,631 There is no way that Noah could have known those words 219 00:09:57,666 --> 00:10:00,116 because we never talked about it. 220 00:10:00,151 --> 00:10:01,497 When Noah was 3, I didn't 221 00:10:01,531 --> 00:10:04,776 think he had a concept of what death actually was. 222 00:10:04,811 --> 00:10:07,572 And I didn't feel it was appropriate to discuss with him 223 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:10,540 how his uncle had died, because it was somewhat violent. 224 00:10:16,719 --> 00:10:19,515 To hear that name come out of my son's mouth, 225 00:10:19,549 --> 00:10:21,344 it really shook me up. 226 00:10:21,379 --> 00:10:23,450 But I could have never predicted what happened next. 227 00:10:32,321 --> 00:10:34,150 I was super excited when we found out 228 00:10:34,185 --> 00:10:36,083 that we were pregnant with Riley, because just 229 00:10:36,118 --> 00:10:38,327 a few months before that we were told we weren't going 230 00:10:38,361 --> 00:10:40,018 to be able to have kids. 231 00:10:40,053 --> 00:10:41,710 Soon after we brought him home, we 232 00:10:41,744 --> 00:10:44,298 noticed he had some difficulty with sleeping. 233 00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:46,576 It was it really exhausting few months. 234 00:10:54,343 --> 00:10:59,555 I remember feeling really lost and confused. 235 00:10:59,589 --> 00:11:02,696 I started thinking, is he mentally ill? 236 00:11:02,731 --> 00:11:07,528 Is he hallucinating, seeing or hearing things? 237 00:11:07,563 --> 00:11:09,876 It was probably one of the first places my brain went. 238 00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:13,673 But I also knew that he was probably too young for that, 239 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:15,364 because I work in the mental health field. 240 00:11:18,091 --> 00:11:20,645 I remember specifically one night, 241 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,164 me and Riley were in his room. 242 00:11:22,198 --> 00:11:25,754 And then he started saying, when my old dad was in the war, 243 00:11:25,788 --> 00:11:27,548 he used to have this old uniform, 244 00:11:27,583 --> 00:11:29,205 and he wore this old hat. 245 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,173 And it was gray. 246 00:11:31,207 --> 00:11:34,728 And he got stabbed in the shoulder. 247 00:11:34,763 --> 00:11:37,766 And his friends had to pick him up and carry him to safety 248 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,251 because he almost died. 249 00:11:40,285 --> 00:11:44,186 And he said that there was blood spilling out of his shoulder. 250 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:45,601 And they couldn't stop the blood, 251 00:11:45,635 --> 00:11:49,191 so they were trying to put clothes and stuff on the wound. 252 00:11:49,225 --> 00:11:51,227 I was shocked. 253 00:11:51,262 --> 00:11:52,919 I didn't know what to believe. 254 00:11:52,953 --> 00:11:55,887 I just let him continue talking because I thought, 255 00:11:55,922 --> 00:11:58,959 what is he going to say next? 256 00:11:58,994 --> 00:12:01,893 He described them as looking tired and having smoke 257 00:12:01,928 --> 00:12:03,136 on their face. 258 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:07,588 He describes them as having blood on their uniforms. 259 00:12:07,623 --> 00:12:11,075 He said that when his old dad came back from the war, 260 00:12:11,109 --> 00:12:13,629 the house had to be dark and quiet. 261 00:12:13,663 --> 00:12:18,116 And if he made noise, he would get in trouble. 262 00:12:18,151 --> 00:12:22,638 He described his old dad as very sensitive from when 263 00:12:22,672 --> 00:12:25,883 he came back from war. 264 00:12:25,917 --> 00:12:29,024 I remember feeling devastated, because I thought, 265 00:12:29,058 --> 00:12:33,580 why should any 3-year-old have these images in his head? 266 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,963 I'm a little bit more skeptical, I think, of things. 267 00:12:36,997 --> 00:12:40,069 To me, Riley has a very powerful imagination. 268 00:12:40,104 --> 00:12:43,901 It was more like his creative mind working. 269 00:12:43,935 --> 00:12:46,835 I was very much like that when I was a kid, too. 270 00:12:46,869 --> 00:12:48,768 It really tortured me. 271 00:12:48,802 --> 00:12:51,011 I had a difficult time sleeping that night 272 00:12:51,046 --> 00:12:54,187 because I thought, why is my 3-year-old thinking about war 273 00:12:54,221 --> 00:12:57,397 and blood and his dad being injured 274 00:12:57,431 --> 00:13:00,607 and an environment where it had to be very quiet and sterile? 275 00:13:03,368 --> 00:13:04,680 Nick is an awesome dad. 276 00:13:04,714 --> 00:13:09,271 He's very easygoing. 277 00:13:09,305 --> 00:13:13,482 We never watch any adult programs around Riley. 278 00:13:13,516 --> 00:13:15,898 We were very careful with that. 279 00:13:15,933 --> 00:13:19,591 We always had some kind of kid show on. 280 00:13:19,626 --> 00:13:22,077 So I started asking all of our friends. 281 00:13:22,111 --> 00:13:24,769 When Riley's been at your house, have you watched any adult TV 282 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,184 around him? No, no, no. 283 00:13:26,219 --> 00:13:28,531 All the answers were no. 284 00:13:28,566 --> 00:13:32,190 So I went to a friend who's a marriage and family therapist. 285 00:13:32,225 --> 00:13:34,468 If somebody that knew him for a long time 286 00:13:34,503 --> 00:13:38,541 and sort of knew our lifestyle and how we live, 287 00:13:38,576 --> 00:13:41,406 hoping that she would at least maybe say, no, 288 00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:42,511 don't even worry about it. 289 00:13:42,545 --> 00:13:43,823 He's fine. 290 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:47,240 So I just reached out to her and I said, hey, you know, 291 00:13:47,274 --> 00:13:48,966 Riley started talking about this old dad. 292 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,381 Do you think I should be worried? 293 00:13:50,415 --> 00:13:54,626 And the look on her face was like, yeah, 294 00:13:54,661 --> 00:13:55,938 you should be worried. 295 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:57,664 You might need to take him to the doctor. 296 00:13:57,698 --> 00:14:01,047 There might be something wrong with him. 297 00:14:01,081 --> 00:14:02,945 I just broke down in tears. 298 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:04,947 And I called Nick immediately. 299 00:14:04,982 --> 00:14:07,777 If you're a therapist, any time somebody tells you 300 00:14:07,812 --> 00:14:08,778 something that's-- 301 00:14:08,813 --> 00:14:10,815 maybe it looks a little bit different, 302 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:12,990 they think mental illness. 303 00:14:13,024 --> 00:14:14,198 Didn't want to hear that. 304 00:14:14,232 --> 00:14:15,751 I didn't think Riley was crazy. 305 00:14:15,785 --> 00:14:17,201 He's not crazy in a clinical sense. 306 00:14:17,235 --> 00:14:20,307 He's crazy like a little boy is crazy. 307 00:14:20,342 --> 00:14:21,515 I was concerned. 308 00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:23,724 I felt alone. 309 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,969 I was afraid to tell people because I thought that they 310 00:14:27,004 --> 00:14:27,867 would think he's crazy. 311 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:40,707 My son Noah was happy and healthy and stubborn and 312 00:14:40,741 --> 00:14:44,193 funny and it was such a delight to have a son. 313 00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:46,609 My daughter would listen to any direction 314 00:14:46,644 --> 00:14:48,094 that you gave her and followed it, 315 00:14:48,128 --> 00:14:51,304 but Noah always had his own agenda and doing his own things 316 00:14:51,338 --> 00:14:52,305 and not listening to us. 317 00:15:03,868 --> 00:15:06,595 He actually had no memory of saying any of those things, 318 00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:09,460 and he was right back to Noah with the speech problems. 319 00:15:09,494 --> 00:15:11,255 I chalked this behavior up to him just 320 00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:13,809 being a very hard-headed boy. 321 00:15:13,843 --> 00:15:14,914 Then another thing happened. 322 00:15:18,296 --> 00:15:21,334 We were watching TV and there was a bunch of planes 323 00:15:21,368 --> 00:15:24,613 and helicopters flying over. 324 00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:27,029 Noah pointed and said, that's a spy plane. 325 00:15:30,446 --> 00:15:32,448 He did not have his stutter. 326 00:15:32,483 --> 00:15:35,106 He did not mispronounce words. 327 00:15:35,141 --> 00:15:38,661 He was using and saying all consonants properly. 328 00:15:38,696 --> 00:15:41,043 I said, you don't know what a spy plane is. 329 00:15:41,078 --> 00:15:45,530 And he said, I do too know what a spy plane is because my daddy 330 00:15:45,565 --> 00:15:46,462 took me to see one. 331 00:15:54,091 --> 00:15:56,403 I asked him about the spy plane that he said 332 00:15:56,438 --> 00:15:58,336 his daddy had taken him to see. 333 00:15:58,371 --> 00:16:00,407 He did say it was black. 334 00:16:00,442 --> 00:16:03,824 I called my husband and I asked him had he taken Noah anywhere 335 00:16:03,859 --> 00:16:07,276 to go see any black planes, specifically spy planes? 336 00:16:07,311 --> 00:16:08,346 And he said no. 337 00:16:08,381 --> 00:16:09,796 He had no idea what I was talking about. 338 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:15,767 Maybe he had seen story books, maybe 339 00:16:15,802 --> 00:16:21,256 he had seen a movie, because little boys have fantasies 340 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:22,705 about those things. 341 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:24,569 And it would be natural for children 342 00:16:24,604 --> 00:16:29,574 to imagine in their mind that they had actually been in one. 343 00:16:29,609 --> 00:16:31,059 My father was in the Marines. 344 00:16:31,093 --> 00:16:32,681 He was a lieutenant. 345 00:16:32,715 --> 00:16:35,477 And my brother had been stationed with him and my mom 346 00:16:35,511 --> 00:16:37,582 over in Okinawa during Vietnam. 347 00:16:37,617 --> 00:16:40,723 So I called my dad and asked him if he had ever heard of a spy 348 00:16:40,758 --> 00:16:41,862 plane. 349 00:16:41,897 --> 00:16:45,694 And he said yes he had, that one came on base 350 00:16:45,728 --> 00:16:47,247 and he had taken my brother to see it. 351 00:16:47,282 --> 00:16:50,699 And when I asked him what color it was, he said it was black. 352 00:16:54,358 --> 00:16:59,156 Noah's father had not taken him to see a spy plane. 353 00:16:59,190 --> 00:17:01,537 Craig's father had. 354 00:17:01,572 --> 00:17:05,403 There are no pictures of my dad in the military at all 355 00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:06,680 in my house. 356 00:17:06,715 --> 00:17:09,338 There's no pictures of my brother living in Okinawa. 357 00:17:09,373 --> 00:17:10,788 There was none of that in the house. 358 00:17:13,653 --> 00:17:16,725 He kept saying, but I was there with my daddy. 359 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:18,071 My daddy was there with me. 360 00:17:18,106 --> 00:17:20,142 He took me to this plane. 361 00:17:20,177 --> 00:17:23,628 It wasn't like he was imagining that he had been in a plane 362 00:17:23,663 --> 00:17:26,148 somewhere, but he was very specific that his daddy had 363 00:17:26,183 --> 00:17:28,564 taken him to that plane. 364 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:30,704 There is no way that Noah could have known 365 00:17:30,739 --> 00:17:33,466 about the spy plane and that my brother had gone to go see 366 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:34,777 a spy plane with our father. 367 00:17:34,812 --> 00:17:36,986 And my dad was living out of state at the time, 368 00:17:37,021 --> 00:17:39,472 so he had very little contact with the kids. 369 00:17:39,506 --> 00:17:42,095 So he would have not ever said something 370 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:43,786 about this story or anything. 371 00:17:43,821 --> 00:17:46,306 My dad actually had to stop and think when I called and asked 372 00:17:46,341 --> 00:17:47,652 him about it. 373 00:17:47,687 --> 00:17:50,517 I felt confused. 374 00:17:50,552 --> 00:17:52,588 It was just a lot to process. 375 00:17:52,623 --> 00:17:55,246 I started to feel like there was some inexplicable connection 376 00:17:55,281 --> 00:17:57,110 between Noah and Craig, but I was 377 00:17:57,145 --> 00:17:58,353 shocked by what he said next. 378 00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:08,742 My six-year-old son Riley 379 00:18:08,777 --> 00:18:10,123 started talking about his old dad 380 00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:12,194 from the moment he could talk. 381 00:18:12,229 --> 00:18:15,508 He gave me details about his old dad coming home from the war 382 00:18:15,542 --> 00:18:17,648 and what that was like for him. 383 00:18:17,682 --> 00:18:20,029 I reached out to a friend and my worst fear happened. 384 00:18:20,064 --> 00:18:22,101 She thought that there was something wrong with him. 385 00:18:27,589 --> 00:18:32,145 I felt worried and confused and scared. 386 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:34,906 The logical part of my brain knew 387 00:18:34,941 --> 00:18:37,254 that it wasn't mental illness. 388 00:18:37,288 --> 00:18:40,498 I've worked with chronically mentally ill kids and adults 389 00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:42,155 for 16 years. 390 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:44,468 Yes, there are cases where young children 391 00:18:44,502 --> 00:18:46,573 do hear voices and respond. 392 00:18:46,608 --> 00:18:48,541 But it is so rare. 393 00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:52,061 My fear was that he was going to be different 394 00:18:52,096 --> 00:18:55,686 and that people would treat him differently. 395 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,343 I never really thought about past lives, 396 00:18:57,377 --> 00:18:59,138 but then I started doing research 397 00:18:59,172 --> 00:19:02,658 and I contacted this doctor and told her Riley's story. 398 00:19:02,693 --> 00:19:05,696 She seemed to think that it was a past life. 399 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:08,526 I wasn't that sure. 400 00:19:08,561 --> 00:19:11,426 Riley described his house as kind of light 401 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:12,565 before his dad went to war. 402 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,325 And then when dad came home from the war, 403 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:16,293 it was that it was dark. 404 00:19:16,327 --> 00:19:19,882 His dad needed the house to be dark, like the curtains 405 00:19:19,917 --> 00:19:21,608 couldn't be open. 406 00:19:21,643 --> 00:19:24,093 There couldn't be any lights on. 407 00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:27,476 He described things before the war as in fast motion 408 00:19:27,511 --> 00:19:30,824 and after the war that things were in slow motion. 409 00:19:30,859 --> 00:19:33,102 And he had to be quiet. 410 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:36,761 And if him and his brother ran through the house 411 00:19:36,796 --> 00:19:41,318 and made noise, his dad would scream and yell. 412 00:19:41,352 --> 00:19:48,670 So it really needed to be very quiet and physically very dark. 413 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:52,225 I immediately thought he was describing PTSD. 414 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:54,745 Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, usually when 415 00:19:54,779 --> 00:19:57,161 people have something traumatic happen to them, 416 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,853 they have flashbacks or nightmares. 417 00:19:59,888 --> 00:20:03,029 And so generally, people that are going through this 418 00:20:03,063 --> 00:20:07,723 want things quiet or dark or they want to be left alone. 419 00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:11,210 There is no way a three-, four-year-old could describe 420 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:17,595 PTSD like that, without having maybe experienced it. 421 00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:19,770 That was the moment that I realized that Riley might 422 00:20:19,804 --> 00:20:23,808 be remembering a past life. 423 00:20:23,843 --> 00:20:26,466 It's not what I believe, necessarily. 424 00:20:26,501 --> 00:20:29,193 But Riley, it's very real to him. 425 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,989 And he was really little when he was describing it. 426 00:20:32,023 --> 00:20:35,613 So it was fascinating to hear him have all of these details. 427 00:20:35,648 --> 00:20:39,514 But it makes me a little bit sad that he has this memory 428 00:20:39,548 --> 00:20:42,655 of something that was hard. 429 00:20:42,689 --> 00:20:44,795 I was heartbroken when Riley was telling me 430 00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:46,797 that his old dad was mean to him. 431 00:20:46,831 --> 00:20:47,936 Which guy am I? 432 00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:50,663 And Nick does not need a quiet house. 433 00:20:50,697 --> 00:20:55,323 He's fine with the boys running around playing and being silly 434 00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:56,531 and being loud. 435 00:20:56,565 --> 00:20:57,739 I came as far as I can. 436 00:20:57,773 --> 00:21:00,880 The boys adore their dad. 437 00:21:00,914 --> 00:21:02,675 I was very interested to hear what he 438 00:21:02,709 --> 00:21:04,021 had to say about those things. 439 00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:07,231 I wanted to hear more about these details as they arose. 440 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:10,165 Some of the stuff he described sounded almost like Civil War 441 00:21:10,199 --> 00:21:12,098 era or World War I era. 442 00:21:12,132 --> 00:21:14,169 And I don't know where those would have come from. 443 00:21:14,203 --> 00:21:16,965 I have no idea why, but I just said, does your old dad 444 00:21:16,999 --> 00:21:18,346 have a name? 445 00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:19,864 I was not expecting him to say a name. 446 00:21:26,354 --> 00:21:29,736 My son called me by a nickname only my brother used. 447 00:21:29,771 --> 00:21:31,117 Hanny. 448 00:21:31,151 --> 00:21:33,499 Then he remembered seeing a plane that my brother had only 449 00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:34,258 seen. 450 00:21:40,368 --> 00:21:41,886 I was really confused and worried 451 00:21:41,921 --> 00:21:42,956 about what was going on. 452 00:21:46,063 --> 00:21:48,721 When Noah was around 4, Noah's dad and I 453 00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:50,412 had taken the kids out to eat. 454 00:21:50,447 --> 00:21:51,862 And we'd already ordered our food. 455 00:21:51,896 --> 00:21:54,278 We were just sitting there having normal conversation. 456 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:56,936 The kids were drawing on the kids' menu. 457 00:21:56,970 --> 00:22:00,111 And Noah abruptly stands up on the booth 458 00:22:00,146 --> 00:22:02,148 and holds his arms up in a big circle. 459 00:22:02,182 --> 00:22:04,875 And he said, when I was here before, I died. 460 00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,363 And I asked him, when you were where? 461 00:22:10,398 --> 00:22:12,538 And he said, here, Mom. 462 00:22:12,572 --> 00:22:13,366 Here. 463 00:22:13,401 --> 00:22:14,712 And I said, on Earth? 464 00:22:14,747 --> 00:22:17,543 He said yes, on Earth. 465 00:22:17,577 --> 00:22:22,202 And he took his hand and he said he was in a car driving 466 00:22:22,237 --> 00:22:24,066 like this on a road. 467 00:22:24,101 --> 00:22:28,692 And that his car wrecked, caught on fire, and that he died. 468 00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:31,384 This really made the hair on my neck stand up, 469 00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:34,042 because that's exactly how my brother died, five years 470 00:22:34,076 --> 00:22:35,354 before Noah was even born. 471 00:22:40,186 --> 00:22:41,636 The night my brother passed away, 472 00:22:41,670 --> 00:22:44,846 he had gone to the state fair with some of his friends 473 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,021 to go to a concert. 474 00:22:48,056 --> 00:22:57,099 So at 3:20 AM on Sunday, I woke up, just woke up out 475 00:22:57,134 --> 00:23:00,137 of a dead sleep. 476 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,382 I looked out my window and the car was not there. 477 00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:06,488 So I knew he wasn't home. 478 00:23:06,523 --> 00:23:09,111 And I couldn't go back to sleep. 479 00:23:09,146 --> 00:23:12,114 The next morning, the telephone rang. 480 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:15,877 It was Craig and Trenny's father, my ex-husband. 481 00:23:18,604 --> 00:23:26,646 And he told me that Craig had had this accident and had died. 482 00:23:26,681 --> 00:23:28,786 It was just-- it was awful. 483 00:23:34,861 --> 00:23:37,450 It was a single-car crash. 484 00:23:37,485 --> 00:23:40,108 And the car had rolled. 485 00:23:40,142 --> 00:23:43,214 He had been ejected from the car. 486 00:23:43,249 --> 00:23:46,286 The car had burned. 487 00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:54,087 I learned later that Trenny and I and Craig's father 488 00:23:54,122 --> 00:23:57,712 had all woken up at 3:20 AM. 489 00:23:57,746 --> 00:23:59,299 We were in three different locations 490 00:23:59,334 --> 00:24:01,819 and we all woke up at the same time 491 00:24:01,854 --> 00:24:08,792 because we believe that's the exact time that he died. 492 00:24:08,826 --> 00:24:11,484 I know there was definitely drinking going on. 493 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,142 And I know there was some sort of discussion at some point. 494 00:24:14,176 --> 00:24:19,216 Somebody had tried to take his keys away from him. 495 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:22,046 He got quite belligerent and said, no, I'm going, 496 00:24:22,081 --> 00:24:23,565 and would not let them take his keys. 497 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,324 And he left. 498 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,263 Losing my brother, even though it's been over 20 years ago, 499 00:24:32,298 --> 00:24:36,716 still deeply affects me to this day. 500 00:24:36,751 --> 00:24:38,753 By the time Noah was around three years old, 501 00:24:38,787 --> 00:24:41,169 I didn't really talk about my brother a lot. 502 00:24:41,203 --> 00:24:44,586 I'm not sure at that point he even knew that I had a brother. 503 00:24:44,621 --> 00:24:49,246 I don't remember anyone talking about Craig's car 504 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,458 crash in front of Noah as a young child. 505 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,667 When Noah talked about being here before 506 00:24:56,702 --> 00:25:01,085 and hearing him recount his own physical death 507 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,571 was pretty freaky. 508 00:25:03,605 --> 00:25:05,538 We thought we had put the past behind us 509 00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:06,953 when my brother passed. 510 00:25:06,988 --> 00:25:09,335 But I started to believe more and more 511 00:25:09,369 --> 00:25:12,407 that Noah was reincarnated. 512 00:25:12,441 --> 00:25:14,720 My mom wasn't so convinced. 513 00:25:14,754 --> 00:25:17,205 But that changed one night when Noah said something to her 514 00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,447 that he could have never known. 515 00:25:26,076 --> 00:25:27,767 My six-year-old son Riley believed 516 00:25:27,802 --> 00:25:30,563 he had an old dad who fought in a war 517 00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:32,496 and was injured while fighting in that war. 518 00:25:42,092 --> 00:25:43,231 I was shocked. 519 00:25:43,265 --> 00:25:46,441 I didn't know what to believe. 520 00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:48,788 I mean, he would tell these details like it was just 521 00:25:48,823 --> 00:25:50,134 like reading a book. 522 00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:54,138 It was just matter of fact and that's the way it was. 523 00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,004 He actually drew a picture of his old dad's house one time, 524 00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,661 showed me where everything was. 525 00:25:59,696 --> 00:26:02,491 It was almost like I could have been there with him. 526 00:26:02,526 --> 00:26:05,598 And I can really visualize what he was talking about, 527 00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:08,083 because that's how specific he was. 528 00:26:08,118 --> 00:26:10,465 Things that he drew and said about his old family 529 00:26:10,499 --> 00:26:14,642 is nothing like how we are now. 530 00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:18,542 The memories that Riley shared about himself when he was young 531 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:22,063 was that he remembers being small 532 00:26:22,097 --> 00:26:24,513 and his mom would take care of him. 533 00:26:24,548 --> 00:26:27,724 But this old dad must have made an impression on him, 534 00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:31,935 because he was the focus of a lot of Riley's early memories. 535 00:26:31,969 --> 00:26:34,972 The person that he described 536 00:26:35,007 --> 00:26:38,320 was consistent throughout. 537 00:26:38,355 --> 00:26:40,840 After that, he shared that his dad used 538 00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:45,189 to fly a plane and that it had guns on it. 539 00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:47,157 I have no idea why, but I just said, 540 00:26:47,191 --> 00:26:49,435 does your old dad have a name? 541 00:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,576 And he said, Cedric Pokker. 542 00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:54,923 I was not expecting him to say a name. 543 00:26:54,958 --> 00:26:56,891 We don't know anyone named Cedric. 544 00:26:56,925 --> 00:26:58,582 And usually if you see the name spelled, 545 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,377 sometimes people pronounce it Cedric. 546 00:27:00,411 --> 00:27:03,173 But he said specifically Cedric. 547 00:27:03,207 --> 00:27:05,175 And I said, well, where did you hear that name? 548 00:27:05,209 --> 00:27:08,247 And he said, well, he told me. 549 00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:10,145 Later that night I put him to bed. 550 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:12,596 And I started doing some research on the internet. 551 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,254 I typed in Cedric Pokker and what came up 552 00:27:15,288 --> 00:27:20,224 was a Cedric Popkin who shot down a Fokker airplane. 553 00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:23,503 And it sounded just like Pokker. 554 00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:25,471 My heart just sank. 555 00:27:25,505 --> 00:27:27,680 And all of a sudden I was like, oh my gosh. 556 00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,441 I can't believe I found something. 557 00:27:30,476 --> 00:27:32,271 A lot of the details of Cedric's life 558 00:27:32,305 --> 00:27:34,722 matched what Riley has told me. 559 00:27:34,756 --> 00:27:36,689 My name is Riley. 560 00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:38,035 I'm six. 561 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:39,934 My old dad's name is Cedric. 562 00:27:39,968 --> 00:27:42,695 He flew a plane with guns on it. 563 00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:44,145 He came back from the war different. 564 00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:53,016 Cedric Popkin was born in Australia in 1890. 565 00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:57,917 In 1916, when World War I broke out, Cedric enlisted. 566 00:27:57,952 --> 00:28:01,196 He was stationed with the 17th machine gun company based 567 00:28:01,231 --> 00:28:02,335 in France. 568 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,752 And they happened to wear gray uniforms. 569 00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:08,445 It's believed that Cedric Popkin fired the shot that 570 00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,136 is famous for shooting down the Red Baron. 571 00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,281 The Red Baron was famous, and this 572 00:28:17,316 --> 00:28:18,835 is something that followed Cedric 573 00:28:18,869 --> 00:28:21,216 for the rest of his life. 574 00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,494 About two months after killing the Red Baron, 575 00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:26,428 he suffered wounds that resulted in his right leg being 576 00:28:26,463 --> 00:28:27,878 amputated. 577 00:28:27,913 --> 00:28:32,434 After that injury, Cedric returned home. 578 00:28:32,469 --> 00:28:34,264 Cedric had two sons. 579 00:28:34,298 --> 00:28:37,129 His sons were Rollin and Michael that both died over 580 00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:38,475 50 years ago. 581 00:28:38,509 --> 00:28:40,304 The interesting thing is that they both died 582 00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:42,548 before their father. 583 00:28:42,582 --> 00:28:45,827 It was interesting that there were so many similarities 584 00:28:45,862 --> 00:28:49,451 between some of the facts that Riley had described. 585 00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:52,109 All this time we thought we had a little kid that 586 00:28:52,144 --> 00:28:56,562 was talking about an old dad, maybe it was his imagination. 587 00:28:56,596 --> 00:29:00,186 But as soon as I saw that connection, I thought, 588 00:29:00,221 --> 00:29:02,533 wow, this is real. 589 00:29:02,568 --> 00:29:05,640 There's validity to what he's saying. 590 00:29:05,674 --> 00:29:09,989 It could be a possibility that Riley is one of Cedric Popkin's 591 00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:13,234 sons, but I'm not sure. 592 00:29:13,268 --> 00:29:14,580 I don't know the answers. 593 00:29:14,614 --> 00:29:17,238 I don't have any proof or disproof of any of that stuff, 594 00:29:17,272 --> 00:29:19,067 because in my view you can't have 595 00:29:19,102 --> 00:29:20,448 proof of those kinds of things. 596 00:29:20,482 --> 00:29:21,967 At least I haven't seen it. 597 00:29:22,001 --> 00:29:24,176 I don't know what it would take to convince me. 598 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,040 I guess I would know it when I saw it, right? 599 00:29:26,074 --> 00:29:28,697 It would have to be something definitive, which I don't 600 00:29:28,732 --> 00:29:32,080 expect is coming anytime soon. 601 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,290 When I was doing research, I realized that most people who 602 00:29:35,325 --> 00:29:38,880 have experienced a past life, they experienced it themselves. 603 00:29:38,915 --> 00:29:40,364 Riley's case was a little different 604 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,471 because he was really experiencing a past life 605 00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:48,614 from his dad's perspective and what his dad went through. 606 00:29:48,648 --> 00:29:51,859 For him to hang on to those memories in that relationship, 607 00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:55,863 the relationship must have been very powerful. 608 00:29:55,897 --> 00:29:59,659 In my research, I did find some photos of Cedric. 609 00:29:59,694 --> 00:30:01,627 I just kind of wanted to see what he would say. 610 00:30:01,661 --> 00:30:06,183 So I put down an array of old time pictures. 611 00:30:06,218 --> 00:30:09,911 And then put one in of Cedric just kind of in the middle 612 00:30:09,946 --> 00:30:13,121 and asked Riley if any of those look familiar to him. 613 00:30:13,156 --> 00:30:14,916 What I saw next amazed me. 614 00:30:23,925 --> 00:30:25,582 My six-year-old son Riley believed 615 00:30:25,616 --> 00:30:30,414 he had an old dad from a previous life. 616 00:30:30,449 --> 00:30:33,141 He said his father had been injured 617 00:30:33,176 --> 00:30:34,625 and that the men wore green uniforms. 618 00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:45,913 What I saw next amazed me. 619 00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:48,432 I put down an array of photos. 620 00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:52,678 Some were just pictures of soldiers from the old days. 621 00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:55,681 And one of them was Cedric Popkin. 622 00:30:55,715 --> 00:30:59,512 And when I put those photos out, Riley touched Cedric Popkin's 623 00:30:59,547 --> 00:31:01,860 picture first. 624 00:31:01,894 --> 00:31:04,069 I didn't want to be like, oh yeah, that's him. 625 00:31:04,103 --> 00:31:06,519 But inside I was like, oh my gosh. 626 00:31:06,554 --> 00:31:09,212 I can't believe you just picked this guy. 627 00:31:09,246 --> 00:31:12,871 This is the guy that matched the name in the airplane. 628 00:31:12,905 --> 00:31:18,048 So yeah, it was kind of an eye-opener for me. 629 00:31:18,083 --> 00:31:20,809 His old dad could be Cedric Popkin. 630 00:31:20,844 --> 00:31:21,603 I'm not sure. 631 00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:24,020 But I'm OK with either way. 632 00:31:24,054 --> 00:31:27,575 It's interesting to think that a boy that had traumatic memories 633 00:31:27,609 --> 00:31:31,820 in his past life is now with a family that has a dad that 634 00:31:31,855 --> 00:31:33,822 is an advocate for children and a mom 635 00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:36,135 that's a marriage and family therapist for children. 636 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:38,966 And things are much different for him now. 637 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,588 As somebody who works with kids, 638 00:31:40,622 --> 00:31:42,693 I just try to be supportive and encouraging 639 00:31:42,728 --> 00:31:46,387 and let them know that that's not how we roll in our family. 640 00:31:46,421 --> 00:31:47,698 Nick is an awesome dad. 641 00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:51,357 He's funny and very loving. 642 00:31:51,392 --> 00:31:54,257 And they have a very special bond. 643 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:55,948 We talk a lot about making sure 644 00:31:55,983 --> 00:31:58,571 that he knows that we love him and that we're here for him. 645 00:31:58,606 --> 00:32:01,436 And I have no doubt that he understands that I love him 646 00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:04,025 and that I am his father and that he doesn't have 647 00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:05,993 another father, certainly, at this point, 648 00:32:06,027 --> 00:32:07,718 and that he can come to me with anything. 649 00:32:07,753 --> 00:32:10,756 And I think he believes that and understands that. 650 00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:11,999 I love my mom and dad. 651 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,591 I'm happy that I have my parents. 652 00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:22,457 I think if you met Riley and you didn't know this about him, 653 00:32:22,492 --> 00:32:24,080 if he never told you about his old dad, 654 00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:26,530 you would never know that there was anything different 655 00:32:26,565 --> 00:32:27,946 about him. 656 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,741 I would say that he's a normal six-year-old who plays soccer 657 00:32:30,776 --> 00:32:34,055 and t-ball and hangs out with his friends and goes swimming 658 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:35,436 and eats pizza. 659 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,163 He just happens to remember having an old dad. 660 00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:47,758 Pedal fast. 661 00:32:47,793 --> 00:32:49,070 There you go. 662 00:32:49,105 --> 00:32:50,830 That's it. 663 00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:53,419 I don't think that this is going to be something that troubles 664 00:32:53,454 --> 00:32:57,078 him later in life or anything along those lines. 665 00:32:57,113 --> 00:32:58,459 You're on your own. 666 00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:00,150 I'm too tired to keep running. 667 00:33:00,185 --> 00:33:01,220 You're on your own. 668 00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:03,533 He's a super engaging person. 669 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:04,534 That's my boy. 670 00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:08,365 And he sincerely cares about the kids. 671 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,815 Victory dance. 672 00:33:09,849 --> 00:33:12,714 The thought that maybe he did go 673 00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:16,580 through some of those hard times, it makes me feel sad. 674 00:33:16,615 --> 00:33:20,205 But I also feel happy knowing that he's come out 675 00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:21,792 on the other side with us. 676 00:33:21,827 --> 00:33:23,173 Watch out for the tree. 677 00:33:26,211 --> 00:33:28,834 We're going to make this life for him a very positive one. 678 00:33:40,156 --> 00:33:43,814 My son remembered dying in a horrific car accident. 679 00:33:43,849 --> 00:33:47,059 My brother died in a drunk driving accident 680 00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:48,440 before my son was ever born. 681 00:33:57,828 --> 00:34:00,728 I knew that my son, Noah, had a past life, 682 00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:02,868 and that past life was my brother. 683 00:34:02,902 --> 00:34:06,009 My mom wasn't so sure. 684 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,459 When Noah was seven, he was 685 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:09,254 having a sleepover at my house. 686 00:34:09,288 --> 00:34:11,187 I was getting ready to tuck him in. 687 00:34:11,221 --> 00:34:16,847 And he looked up at me and said, Nana, I need froggy. 688 00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:19,574 And I stopped in my tracks. 689 00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:22,439 And I said, what do you mean, froggy? 690 00:34:22,474 --> 00:34:27,927 And he goes, you know, the froggy I always sleep with. 691 00:34:27,962 --> 00:34:29,998 I'm in disbelief. 692 00:34:30,033 --> 00:34:33,140 And I said, what color is froggy? 693 00:34:33,174 --> 00:34:34,244 He's yellow, Nana. 694 00:34:34,279 --> 00:34:36,833 You know froggy. 695 00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:41,527 All of a sudden I'm having flashbacks of Craig. 696 00:34:41,562 --> 00:34:44,979 He always slept with froggy. 697 00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:48,327 Froggy is a handmade stuffed animal made 698 00:34:48,362 --> 00:34:50,847 by my sister, Craig's aunt. 699 00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:54,092 She gave it to him when he was 6 or so, 700 00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:56,818 and he just always loved it and slept with it. 701 00:34:56,853 --> 00:35:02,307 I had, of course, kept certain favorite things of my kids, 702 00:35:02,341 --> 00:35:03,929 froggy being one of them. 703 00:35:03,963 --> 00:35:06,552 But it hadn't been something that I brought out 704 00:35:06,587 --> 00:35:10,142 for my grandkids to sleep with or play with. 705 00:35:10,177 --> 00:35:16,597 I was thinking, am I really hearing what I'm hearing? 706 00:35:16,631 --> 00:35:19,427 So I went to the closet and had to get it down 707 00:35:19,462 --> 00:35:20,946 off the top shelf. 708 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:24,674 And I said, are you talking about this froggy? 709 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:28,954 And his eyes got really big and he broke into this big smile 710 00:35:28,988 --> 00:35:33,579 and took it from me and hugged it and said, there's my froggy. 711 00:35:33,614 --> 00:35:38,032 I was immediately a little weepy, because it brought back 712 00:35:38,066 --> 00:35:39,413 so many memories. 713 00:35:39,447 --> 00:35:42,105 I mean, we couldn't go anywhere without that froggy. 714 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,314 Craig took it everywhere. 715 00:35:44,349 --> 00:35:46,937 Noah had never seen this frog before. 716 00:35:46,972 --> 00:35:49,181 It had never been talked about before. 717 00:35:49,216 --> 00:35:54,186 That was the moment for me, because now it was something 718 00:35:54,221 --> 00:35:57,051 really tangible in my house. 719 00:35:57,085 --> 00:36:00,917 That was the first time that I thought to myself, 720 00:36:00,951 --> 00:36:04,092 there's something really special about this boy. 721 00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:08,338 All of these other things that have happened now 722 00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,478 really hit home with me. 723 00:36:10,513 --> 00:36:13,240 I remember my mom calling me when Noah had stayed 724 00:36:13,274 --> 00:36:14,413 over at her house. 725 00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:15,966 And she called me crying. 726 00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:19,280 I felt like she was fully convinced at that point. 727 00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:20,868 It was a realization that night 728 00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:25,735 that Craig's soul was with us. 729 00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:28,324 I felt like there was no other explanation 730 00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:32,086 but that Craig was reincarnated through Noah. 731 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,711 He's not my son, but they share a soul. 732 00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:41,889 To watch Noah and see the traits of Craig 733 00:36:41,923 --> 00:36:44,892 through him, once I totally embraced it, 734 00:36:44,926 --> 00:36:49,241 it was a comfort and a blessing. 735 00:36:49,276 --> 00:36:50,000 It's a blessing. 736 00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:55,178 As he was reaching middle school, 737 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,698 the anger that Noah was starting to exhibit 738 00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:00,390 reminded me of my brother at that age. 739 00:37:00,425 --> 00:37:02,150 If he was my brother reincarnated, 740 00:37:02,185 --> 00:37:06,258 there may be anger and rage he would bring forward. 741 00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:07,225 And I was really worried. 742 00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:18,822 My brother's soul had somehow come back to me as my son. 743 00:37:18,857 --> 00:37:22,378 Noah called me by a nickname that only my brother would use. 744 00:37:22,412 --> 00:37:24,242 Hanny. 745 00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:27,728 Noah talked of a spy plane that only my brother had seen. 746 00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:34,044 When Noah asked my mom for a stuffed animal by a name 747 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,632 that only my brother would have known, 748 00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:37,255 then she started to believe, too. 749 00:37:45,401 --> 00:37:49,784 I would see him banging his head on the ground and on the walls 750 00:37:49,819 --> 00:37:52,580 and really acting out. 751 00:37:52,615 --> 00:37:55,687 I was worried that if he was my brother 752 00:37:55,721 --> 00:37:59,346 reincarnated that there may be some difficulties that he would 753 00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:01,209 bring forward. 754 00:38:01,244 --> 00:38:05,559 My brother had some very tough times in his adolescence 755 00:38:05,593 --> 00:38:09,217 where he fought a lot of internal anger and rage 756 00:38:09,252 --> 00:38:11,910 and didn't always make the best decisions. 757 00:38:11,944 --> 00:38:15,051 And I was really worried that something like that 758 00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:18,951 might come through with my son. 759 00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:21,747 As much as I miss my brother, Noah was my priority 760 00:38:21,782 --> 00:38:23,991 and I wanted to make sure what happened to my brother 761 00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:26,062 did not happen to Noah. 762 00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:29,824 My mom helped me find a very good therapist that helped Noah 763 00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:32,102 with the anger that he was feeling inside. 764 00:38:32,137 --> 00:38:35,347 And in some strange, connected way, 765 00:38:35,382 --> 00:38:40,594 I felt like maybe I was helping my brother, as well. 766 00:38:40,628 --> 00:38:42,147 Noah's 16 now. 767 00:38:42,181 --> 00:38:48,774 He's really grown into a really balanced human being. 768 00:38:48,809 --> 00:38:49,844 My name is Noah. 769 00:38:49,879 --> 00:38:53,192 I do believe I was my uncle. 770 00:38:53,227 --> 00:38:54,918 The fact that I was my uncle just 771 00:38:54,953 --> 00:38:57,369 amazes me and I think it's pretty cool. 772 00:38:57,404 --> 00:39:00,441 Being different and having a story behind it. 773 00:39:00,476 --> 00:39:02,512 I feel like the memories are carried over with me 774 00:39:02,547 --> 00:39:03,893 because there's no way I would be 775 00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:07,517 able to know all those stories like my mom's nickname. 776 00:39:07,552 --> 00:39:08,518 Hanny. 777 00:39:08,553 --> 00:39:11,590 known any of that. 778 00:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,490 Never met my uncle, so there's no way I would 779 00:39:14,524 --> 00:39:16,699 be able to know all those. 780 00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:19,736 Makes me feel like I am getting like a second chance. 781 00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:23,947 I think the reason he came back as me is because he messed up 782 00:39:23,982 --> 00:39:26,502 and he wants me to make it right and carry on 783 00:39:26,536 --> 00:39:29,470 from what he left over. 784 00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:33,992 I think that there was troubled times for Craig 785 00:39:34,026 --> 00:39:38,099 and I think this is a way for him to heal. 786 00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:40,930 His soul is being healed and Noah 787 00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:45,693 is learning from Craig's soul and moving forward 788 00:39:45,728 --> 00:39:49,076 in a more positive way. 789 00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:50,457 Noah is driving now. 790 00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:52,735 I think he understands there's a lot of responsibility 791 00:39:52,769 --> 00:39:54,150 with that. 792 00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:57,187 Every decision can impact his life and somebody else's life. 793 00:39:57,222 --> 00:40:00,363 But he's very careful and very cautious. 794 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,470 So far he's made really good decisions behind the wheel. 795 00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:06,093 But like my friends, you know, they got stories 796 00:40:06,127 --> 00:40:08,923 about how family members died from drinking and driving. 797 00:40:08,958 --> 00:40:10,718 But I feel like I've been there. 798 00:40:10,753 --> 00:40:13,341 And I feel like I've been through it. 799 00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:18,692 With my uncle's mistakes, this is not another story. 800 00:40:18,726 --> 00:40:22,281 I feel like my uncle did come back to my mom as me 801 00:40:22,316 --> 00:40:23,628 because they're very close. 802 00:40:23,662 --> 00:40:26,251 And my uncle watched out for my mom. 803 00:40:26,285 --> 00:40:29,150 So I feel like I'm going to still do the same-- watch out 804 00:40:29,185 --> 00:40:31,532 for her and help her with everything that she needs 805 00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:35,087 and do what I can and make sure I don't go down the path 806 00:40:35,122 --> 00:40:37,193 that he went down. 807 00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,575 I think Noah has lived a much happier life 808 00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:41,473 than my son did. 809 00:40:41,508 --> 00:40:44,200 I think it's another chance for Craig's soul 810 00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:47,859 to be happy and enjoy life with his family. 811 00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:49,550 It's made him a really good role 812 00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:53,761 model for not just his brothers, but also his friends. 813 00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:57,800 He's just a really good, even-keeled young man. 814 00:40:57,834 --> 00:41:00,181 I am beyond proud of where Noah is at today. 815 00:41:09,397 --> 00:41:12,504 I am nervous for Noah to turn 21 and to go 816 00:41:12,539 --> 00:41:14,920 through his early 20s. 817 00:41:14,955 --> 00:41:17,613 I'd be lying if I said it wasn't in the back of my head 818 00:41:17,647 --> 00:41:19,787 after what we've been through. 819 00:41:19,822 --> 00:41:24,274 But I also have confidence that he will make better decisions. 820 00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:26,518 I've done everything I can up until this 821 00:41:26,553 --> 00:41:29,314 point to control breaking the cycle. 822 00:41:29,348 --> 00:41:31,419 But now Noah's 16. 823 00:41:31,454 --> 00:41:33,352 So I have to hand over the keys. 824 00:41:33,387 --> 00:41:35,872 And now he's in control of the rest of it. 825 00:41:35,907 --> 00:41:39,082 I feel like my uncle did come back to my family 826 00:41:39,117 --> 00:41:40,912 so we can break that cycle. 827 00:41:40,946 --> 00:41:42,292 And I'm going to break the cycle. 828 00:41:42,327 --> 00:41:44,053 What I learned from this experience 829 00:41:44,087 --> 00:41:46,538 is anything can happen at any time, 830 00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:48,160 so don't take life for granted. 831 00:41:48,195 --> 00:41:49,817 Just be you. 832 00:41:49,852 --> 00:41:50,611 Be smart. 833 00:41:50,646 --> 00:41:52,889 And live life. 65697

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