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My son was
remembering events that
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did not happen in his life.
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And he said, are we
going to see my old dad?
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When his old dad came
back from the war,
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the house had to
be dark and quiet.
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When he would get
upset or angry,
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he would pound his
head on the floor.
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And he started saying, when
my old dad was in the war,
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his friends had to pick him
up and carry him to safety.
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And he said that there
was blood spilling.
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Then he said he was in a car
driving like this on a road
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and that his car wrecked.
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That was the moment that
I realized that Riley might
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be remembering a past life.
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I thought that they
would think she's crazy.
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Am I really hearing
what I'm hearing?
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I was convinced that my
brother's soul had come back
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to me and my son.
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My name is Joanna, and I have
two sons named Riley and Aiden.
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My two sons are 6 and 3.
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Sacramento is a really
great place to live.
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It's the capital of California.
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There's about
500,000 people here.
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We live in a smaller area.
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When you go downtown, it
feels like a big city,
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but it's a great
place to raise kids.
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Hi, I'm Nick.
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I am Riley and Aiden's father.
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I'm an attorney.
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I work with abused and
neglected kids or children
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at risk of abuse and neglect.
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My work deals with the
most difficult things
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you can imagine that
happen to children.
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And so I've heard lots of very
difficult stories from kids.
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I am a marriage
and family therapist.
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I work with kids 0 to 21
and I see a lot of trauma
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and a lot of families
that are struggling.
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So I'm more careful about
how I parent and how I'm
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raising the boys so that we
create a loving environment.
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We had actually been
told that we weren't
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going to be able to have kids.
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I had some abdominal problems.
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And they never figured
out what it was.
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I was definitely afraid because
I didn't understand what was
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going on with me physically.
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It was it
was a shock to us.
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And I think we were both
trying to adjust to that.
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Nick was in law school.
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I was in grad school.
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And our plan was to start
trying after we graduated.
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My OB said try now because
it could take up to a year.
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So we started trying and we
were pregnant within a month.
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We were, like, in shock.
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And we just stared
at each other.
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And he hugged me.
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And I hugged him.
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And we were like, oh my gosh.
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What just happened?
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Riley was gorgeous
when he was born.
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He came out, he looked perfect.
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He had this beautiful
little face.
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He was loving.
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He was very sweet.
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And he started
talking really young
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and had a great vocabulary.
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He was always
comfortable with older folks.
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Even as a baby, he was
very engaging to people.
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We noticed Riley was
having a hard time sleeping,
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I think, in the hospital.
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He was a horrible sleeper.
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He always was.
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He'd sleep about 20 minutes
and then wake up screaming.
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I remember Nick and I looking
at each other one night.
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And we're like,
what have we done?
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This is just so exhausting.
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We never thought it
would be like this.
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We were exhausted a
lot and fussy as parents,
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because he'd wake up.
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When he was
about three or four,
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he would wake up and be
having night terrors.
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He would wake up in the
middle of the night screaming.
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And we would go in and
realize that he was not awake.
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And so we would sit there
with him until he settled back
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in the bed.
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I remember feeling just sort
of at a loss for what to do.
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I ended up being hard on
myself because I thought
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I was doing something wrong.
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I'd say probably four or five
times out of the week he comes
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into our bed and we're
not really sure why.
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And then one day, I
think we were driving,
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and he said something like,
are we going to see my old dad?
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Nick and I kind of looked at
each other and we laughed.
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Oh, haha.
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And then I made a joke.
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I kind of hit Nick
on the shoulder.
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I said, he just called you old.
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He said, no.
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I'm not saying you're old.
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I'm talking about my old dad.
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And then we were very shocked.
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He started giving more
details about his old dad.
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It would be in the car ride.
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I'd pick him up from daycare
and say, oh, how was your day?
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And he'd say, my old dad used
to ask me that all the time.
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And are you going to take
me to see my old dad?
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And then he would say things
like, thingamajigger and wonky.
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And I'd say, oh, where'd
you learn that word?
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Oh, my old dad.
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It was at least one
conversation a day
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he would mention his old dad.
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For me, I'm like,
well, I'm your dad,
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so what's this about?
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I just wanted to hear
what he had to say.
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I think sometimes it would come
up for him when I would ask him
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to do something.
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And the response would be,
well, my old dad wouldn't
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make me do that stuff.
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I said, well, he's
not here right now.
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I thought, OK,
what's going on here?
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Because for months he's been
talking about this old dad.
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I sort of freaked
out because I thought
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there's way more to
this than we thought.
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Nick just said, there's
nothing more to it.
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Don't read so much into it.
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As he gave me more
detail, then I
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started to feel
confused and worried
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about what was going on for him.
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Centennial is a
city southeast of Denver.
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Centennial is great because of
its close proximity to Denver.
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Centennial was
formed 15 years ago.
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There's a lot of kids
in the neighborhood,
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has great schools,
lots of parks,
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walking trails,
community centers
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that are good for
families to have around.
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My name is Trenny.
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I have four children--
one girl and three boys.
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My pregnancy with Noah was
probably the easiest out
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of the four.
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I gained very little weight,
ate super healthy, jogging
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and walking up until
the day he was born.
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Noah was a very hard
headed and loving baby.
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He was just a
happy-go-lucky, free spirited
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little boy.
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Fun to be around.
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Fun to play with.
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He walked
at about nine months
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and just took off running.
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When he was 18
months old, he jumped
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on a battery-powered
four-wheeler
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and took off across the
cul-de-sac in his diaper.
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He just-- he was all boy.
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Noah was very much a rebel.
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Very stubborn.
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Definitely had his own
agenda from day one.
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When he would get
upset or angry,
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he would pound his
head on the floor.
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I remember telling Noah
not go down the slide when
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my daughter, his
sister, was still
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sitting at the bottom of it.
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And he looked at me and
laughed and did it anyway.
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And then his teeth
went into her head
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and she ended up with stitches.
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Going into toddler
and preschool,
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he had some very bad
speech impediments.
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And he could not speak clearly.
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And it was very hard for
people to understand him.
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My mom had a really hard
time understanding him.
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I even had a hard time.
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When Noah was around
three years old,
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I was driving and had
my daughter with me.
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And he kept looking at me in
the rear view mirror trying
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to get my attention.
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I was totally tuned out,
totally ignoring him.
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I just thought he was being a
kid because they'll say Mom,
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Mom, Mom, a dozen times.
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All of a sudden, my 3-year-old
son glares at me in the mirror
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and he says,
dammit, Hanny, listen to me.
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Listen to me.
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I had to pull over
because my toddler just
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swore at me.
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And to hear that name come
out of my son's mouth really
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shook me up.
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I was at work and Trenny
called me and she was crying.
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And I said, what is wrong?
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And she said, you're not going
to believe what just happened.
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The last time I heard someone
call me Hanny would have been
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before my brother's passing.
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No one else
called her Hanny--
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not her friends,
not her dad, not me.
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It was a name that Craig had
for Trenny and called her that.
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My brother died in
1993 and Noah was born in 1998.
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So there's no way anyone
would've told Noah what
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my nickname was as a child.
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Hanny.
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When he said
damn it, Hanny,
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it was crystal clear.
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His voice lowered and it
sounded a little spooky.
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Listen to me.
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The hard noises in the
back of his throat like g,
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c, those things,
he could not say.
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So for him to
actually make a sound
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with a g in the back of his
throat was very shocking to me.
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Listen to me.
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I don't even know what
was going through my mind.
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I actually started
to shake and I cried.
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And while I'm doing that, my
daughter's in the back seat.
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And she said, why are
you calling Mommy Hanny?
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And he looked at her and he
said, because she is Hanny.
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And he looked back at me and
he said, you know you're Hanny.
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Clearly, it was an
emotional moment for her.
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I could hear it in her
voice when she called me.
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But I did not think that there
was a connection with his uncle
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Craig at the moment.
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I tried to explain
the situation to her,
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and I think she was a little in
disbelief at what I was saying,
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maybe because he did
have poor speech.
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But I knew what I had heard.
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There is no way that Noah
could have known those words
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because we never
talked about it.
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When Noah
was 3, I didn't
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think he had a concept of
what death actually was.
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And I didn't feel it was
appropriate to discuss with him
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how his uncle had died, because
it was somewhat violent.
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To hear that name come
out of my son's mouth,
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it really shook me up.
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But I could have never
predicted what happened next.
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I was super
excited when we found out
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that we were pregnant
with Riley, because just
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a few months before that we
were told we weren't going
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to be able to have kids.
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Soon after we
brought him home, we
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noticed he had some
difficulty with sleeping.
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It was it really
exhausting few months.
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I remember feeling
really lost and confused.
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I started thinking,
is he mentally ill?
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Is he hallucinating,
seeing or hearing things?
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It was probably one of the
first places my brain went.
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But I also knew that he was
probably too young for that,
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because I work in the
mental health field.
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I remember
specifically one night,
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me and Riley were in his room.
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And then he started saying,
when my old dad was in the war,
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he used to have
this old uniform,
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and he wore this old hat.
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And it was gray.
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And he got stabbed
in the shoulder.
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And his friends had to pick
him up and carry him to safety
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because he almost died.
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And he said that there was blood
spilling out of his shoulder.
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And they couldn't
stop the blood,
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so they were trying to put
clothes and stuff on the wound.
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I was shocked.
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I didn't know what to believe.
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I just let him continue
talking because I thought,
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what is he going to say next?
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He described them as looking
tired and having smoke
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on their face.
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He describes them as having
blood on their uniforms.
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He said that when his old
dad came back from the war,
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the house had to
be dark and quiet.
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And if he made noise,
he would get in trouble.
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He described his old dad
as very sensitive from when
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he came back from war.
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I remember feeling
devastated, because I thought,
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why should any 3-year-old
have these images in his head?
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I'm a little bit more
skeptical, I think, of things.
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To me, Riley has a very
powerful imagination.
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It was more like his
creative mind working.
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I was very much like that
when I was a kid, too.
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It really tortured me.
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I had a difficult time
sleeping that night
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because I thought, why is my
3-year-old thinking about war
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and blood and his
dad being injured
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and an environment where it had
to be very quiet and sterile?
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Nick is an awesome dad.
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He's very easygoing.
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We never watch any adult
programs around Riley.
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We were very careful with that.
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We always had some
kind of kid show on.
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So I started asking
all of our friends.
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When Riley's been at your house,
have you watched any adult TV
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around him?
No, no, no.
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All the answers were no.
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So I went to a friend who's a
marriage and family therapist.
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If somebody that knew
him for a long time
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and sort of knew our
lifestyle and how we live,
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hoping that she would
at least maybe say, no,
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don't even worry about it.
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He's fine.
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So I just reached out to her
and I said, hey, you know,
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Riley started talking
about this old dad.
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Do you think I
should be worried?
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And the look on her
face was like, yeah,
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you should be worried.
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You might need to take
him to the doctor.
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There might be something
wrong with him.
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I just broke down in tears.
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And I called Nick immediately.
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If you're a therapist,
any time somebody tells you
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something that's--
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maybe it looks a
little bit different,
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they think mental illness.
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Didn't want to hear that.
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I didn't think Riley was crazy.
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He's not crazy in
a clinical sense.
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He's crazy like a
little boy is crazy.
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I was concerned.
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I felt alone.
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I was afraid to tell people
because I thought that they
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would think he's crazy.
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My son Noah was happy
and healthy and stubborn and
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funny and it was such a
delight to have a son.
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My daughter would
listen to any direction
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that you gave her
and followed it,
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but Noah always had his own
agenda and doing his own things
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and not listening to us.
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He actually had no memory of
saying any of those things,
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and he was right back to Noah
with the speech problems.
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I chalked this
behavior up to him just
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being a very hard-headed boy.
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Then another thing happened.
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We were watching TV and
there was a bunch of planes
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and helicopters flying over.
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Noah pointed and said,
that's a spy plane.
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He did not have his stutter.
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He did not mispronounce words.
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He was using and saying
all consonants properly.
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I said, you don't know
what a spy plane is.
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And he said, I do too know what
a spy plane is because my daddy
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took me to see one.
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I asked him about the
spy plane that he said
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his daddy had taken him to see.
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He did say it was black.
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I called my husband and I asked
him had he taken Noah anywhere
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to go see any black planes,
specifically spy planes?
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And he said no.
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He had no idea what
I was talking about.
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Maybe he had seen
story books, maybe
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he had seen a movie, because
little boys have fantasies
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about those things.
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And it would be
natural for children
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to imagine in their mind that
they had actually been in one.
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My father was in the Marines.
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He was a lieutenant.
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And my brother had been
stationed with him and my mom
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over in Okinawa during Vietnam.
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So I called my dad and asked him
if he had ever heard of a spy
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plane.
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And he said yes he had,
that one came on base
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and he had taken my
brother to see it.
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And when I asked him what color
it was, he said it was black.
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Noah's father had not taken
him to see a spy plane.
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Craig's father had.
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There are no pictures of my
dad in the military at all
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in my house.
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There's no pictures of my
brother living in Okinawa.
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There was none of
that in the house.
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He kept saying, but I
was there with my daddy.
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My daddy was there with me.
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He took me to this plane.
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It wasn't like he was imagining
that he had been in a plane
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somewhere, but he was very
specific that his daddy had
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taken him to that plane.
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There is no way
that Noah could have known
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about the spy plane and that
my brother had gone to go see
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a spy plane with our father.
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And my dad was living
out of state at the time,
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so he had very little
contact with the kids.
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So he would have not
ever said something
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about this story or anything.
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My dad actually had to stop and
think when I called and asked
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him about it.
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I felt confused.
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It was just a lot to process.
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I started to feel like there
was some inexplicable connection
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between Noah and
Craig, but I was
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shocked by what he said next.
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My
six-year-old son Riley
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started talking
about his old dad
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from the moment he could talk.
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He gave me details about his
old dad coming home from the war
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and what that was like for him.
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I reached out to a friend
and my worst fear happened.
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She thought that there was
something wrong with him.
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I felt worried and
confused and scared.
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The logical part
of my brain knew
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that it wasn't mental illness.
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I've worked with chronically
mentally ill kids and adults
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for 16 years.
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Yes, there are cases
where young children
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do hear voices and respond.
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But it is so rare.
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My fear was that he was
going to be different
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and that people would
treat him differently.
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I never really thought
about past lives,
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but then I started
doing research
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and I contacted this doctor
and told her Riley's story.
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00:19:02,693 --> 00:19:05,696
She seemed to think
that it was a past life.
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00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:08,526
I wasn't that sure.
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00:19:08,561 --> 00:19:11,426
Riley described his
house as kind of light
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before his dad went to war.
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00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,325
And then when dad came
home from the war,
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it was that it was dark.
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00:19:16,327 --> 00:19:19,882
His dad needed the house to
be dark, like the curtains
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00:19:19,917 --> 00:19:21,608
couldn't be open.
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00:19:21,643 --> 00:19:24,093
There couldn't be any lights on.
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00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:27,476
He described things before
the war as in fast motion
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00:19:27,511 --> 00:19:30,824
and after the war that
things were in slow motion.
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And he had to be quiet.
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00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:36,761
And if him and his brother
ran through the house
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and made noise, his dad
would scream and yell.
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So it really needed to be very
quiet and physically very dark.
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I immediately thought
he was describing PTSD.
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Post-Traumatic Stress
Disorder, usually when
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people have something
traumatic happen to them,
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they have flashbacks
or nightmares.
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00:19:59,888 --> 00:20:03,029
And so generally, people
that are going through this
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want things quiet or dark or
they want to be left alone.
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There is no way a three-,
four-year-old could describe
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00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:17,595
PTSD like that, without
having maybe experienced it.
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That was the moment that I
realized that Riley might
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be remembering a past life.
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It's not what I
believe, necessarily.
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00:20:26,501 --> 00:20:29,193
But Riley, it's
very real to him.
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And he was really little
when he was describing it.
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So it was fascinating to hear
him have all of these details.
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00:20:35,648 --> 00:20:39,514
But it makes me a little bit
sad that he has this memory
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of something that was hard.
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00:20:42,689 --> 00:20:44,795
I was heartbroken
when Riley was telling me
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00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:46,797
that his old dad
was mean to him.
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00:20:46,831 --> 00:20:47,936
Which guy am I?
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00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:50,663
And Nick does
not need a quiet house.
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00:20:50,697 --> 00:20:55,323
He's fine with the boys running
around playing and being silly
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00:20:55,357 --> 00:20:56,531
and being loud.
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00:20:56,565 --> 00:20:57,739
I came as far as I can.
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00:20:57,773 --> 00:21:00,880
The boys adore their dad.
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00:21:00,914 --> 00:21:02,675
I was very
interested to hear what he
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00:21:02,709 --> 00:21:04,021
had to say about those things.
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00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:07,231
I wanted to hear more about
these details as they arose.
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00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:10,165
Some of the stuff he described
sounded almost like Civil War
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era or World War I era.
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00:21:12,132 --> 00:21:14,169
And I don't know where
those would have come from.
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00:21:14,203 --> 00:21:16,965
I have no idea why, but
I just said, does your old dad
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have a name?
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00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:19,864
I was not expecting
him to say a name.
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00:21:26,354 --> 00:21:29,736
My son called me by a
nickname only my brother used.
447
00:21:29,771 --> 00:21:31,117
Hanny.
448
00:21:31,151 --> 00:21:33,499
Then he remembered seeing a
plane that my brother had only
449
00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:34,258
seen.
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00:21:40,368 --> 00:21:41,886
I was really
confused and worried
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00:21:41,921 --> 00:21:42,956
about what was going on.
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00:21:46,063 --> 00:21:48,721
When Noah was around
4, Noah's dad and I
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00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:50,412
had taken the kids out to eat.
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And we'd already
ordered our food.
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00:21:51,896 --> 00:21:54,278
We were just sitting there
having normal conversation.
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The kids were drawing
on the kids' menu.
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And Noah abruptly
stands up on the booth
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00:22:00,146 --> 00:22:02,148
and holds his arms
up in a big circle.
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00:22:02,182 --> 00:22:04,875
And he said, when I was
here before, I died.
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00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,363
And I asked him,
when you were where?
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00:22:10,398 --> 00:22:12,538
And he said, here, Mom.
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00:22:12,572 --> 00:22:13,366
Here.
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00:22:13,401 --> 00:22:14,712
And I said, on Earth?
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He said yes, on Earth.
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00:22:17,577 --> 00:22:22,202
And he took his hand and he
said he was in a car driving
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00:22:22,237 --> 00:22:24,066
like this on a road.
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00:22:24,101 --> 00:22:28,692
And that his car wrecked, caught
on fire, and that he died.
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00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:31,384
This really made the
hair on my neck stand up,
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00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:34,042
because that's exactly how
my brother died, five years
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before Noah was even born.
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00:22:40,186 --> 00:22:41,636
The night my
brother passed away,
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he had gone to the state
fair with some of his friends
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to go to a concert.
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00:22:48,056 --> 00:22:57,099
So at 3:20 AM on Sunday,
I woke up, just woke up out
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00:22:57,134 --> 00:23:00,137
of a dead sleep.
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00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,382
I looked out my window
and the car was not there.
477
00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:06,488
So I knew he wasn't home.
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00:23:06,523 --> 00:23:09,111
And I couldn't go back to sleep.
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The next morning,
the telephone rang.
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00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:15,877
It was Craig and Trenny's
father, my ex-husband.
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00:23:18,604 --> 00:23:26,646
And he told me that Craig had
had this accident and had died.
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00:23:26,681 --> 00:23:28,786
It was just-- it was awful.
483
00:23:34,861 --> 00:23:37,450
It was a single-car crash.
484
00:23:37,485 --> 00:23:40,108
And the car had rolled.
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00:23:40,142 --> 00:23:43,214
He had been ejected
from the car.
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The car had burned.
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00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:54,087
I learned later that Trenny
and I and Craig's father
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had all woken up at 3:20 AM.
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We were in three
different locations
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and we all woke up
at the same time
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because we believe that's
the exact time that he died.
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00:24:08,826 --> 00:24:11,484
I know there was
definitely drinking going on.
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00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,142
And I know there was some sort
of discussion at some point.
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00:24:14,176 --> 00:24:19,216
Somebody had tried to take
his keys away from him.
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00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:22,046
He got quite belligerent
and said, no, I'm going,
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00:24:22,081 --> 00:24:23,565
and would not let
them take his keys.
497
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,324
And he left.
498
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,263
Losing my brother, even though
it's been over 20 years ago,
499
00:24:32,298 --> 00:24:36,716
still deeply affects
me to this day.
500
00:24:36,751 --> 00:24:38,753
By the time Noah was
around three years old,
501
00:24:38,787 --> 00:24:41,169
I didn't really talk
about my brother a lot.
502
00:24:41,203 --> 00:24:44,586
I'm not sure at that point he
even knew that I had a brother.
503
00:24:44,621 --> 00:24:49,246
I don't remember anyone
talking about Craig's car
504
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,458
crash in front of
Noah as a young child.
505
00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,667
When Noah talked about
being here before
506
00:24:56,702 --> 00:25:01,085
and hearing him recount
his own physical death
507
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,571
was pretty freaky.
508
00:25:03,605 --> 00:25:05,538
We thought we had put
the past behind us
509
00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:06,953
when my brother passed.
510
00:25:06,988 --> 00:25:09,335
But I started to
believe more and more
511
00:25:09,369 --> 00:25:12,407
that Noah was reincarnated.
512
00:25:12,441 --> 00:25:14,720
My mom wasn't so convinced.
513
00:25:14,754 --> 00:25:17,205
But that changed one night
when Noah said something to her
514
00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,447
that he could have never known.
515
00:25:26,076 --> 00:25:27,767
My six-year-old
son Riley believed
516
00:25:27,802 --> 00:25:30,563
he had an old dad
who fought in a war
517
00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:32,496
and was injured while
fighting in that war.
518
00:25:42,092 --> 00:25:43,231
I was shocked.
519
00:25:43,265 --> 00:25:46,441
I didn't know what to believe.
520
00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:48,788
I mean, he would tell these
details like it was just
521
00:25:48,823 --> 00:25:50,134
like reading a book.
522
00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:54,138
It was just matter of fact
and that's the way it was.
523
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,004
He actually drew a picture of
his old dad's house one time,
524
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,661
showed me where everything was.
525
00:25:59,696 --> 00:26:02,491
It was almost like I could
have been there with him.
526
00:26:02,526 --> 00:26:05,598
And I can really visualize
what he was talking about,
527
00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:08,083
because that's how
specific he was.
528
00:26:08,118 --> 00:26:10,465
Things that he drew and
said about his old family
529
00:26:10,499 --> 00:26:14,642
is nothing like how we are now.
530
00:26:14,676 --> 00:26:18,542
The memories that Riley shared
about himself when he was young
531
00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:22,063
was that he
remembers being small
532
00:26:22,097 --> 00:26:24,513
and his mom would
take care of him.
533
00:26:24,548 --> 00:26:27,724
But this old dad must have
made an impression on him,
534
00:26:27,758 --> 00:26:31,935
because he was the focus of a
lot of Riley's early memories.
535
00:26:31,969 --> 00:26:34,972
The person
that he described
536
00:26:35,007 --> 00:26:38,320
was consistent throughout.
537
00:26:38,355 --> 00:26:40,840
After that, he
shared that his dad used
538
00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:45,189
to fly a plane and
that it had guns on it.
539
00:26:45,224 --> 00:26:47,157
I have no idea why,
but I just said,
540
00:26:47,191 --> 00:26:49,435
does your old dad have a name?
541
00:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,576
And he said, Cedric Pokker.
542
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:54,923
I was not expecting
him to say a name.
543
00:26:54,958 --> 00:26:56,891
We don't know
anyone named Cedric.
544
00:26:56,925 --> 00:26:58,582
And usually if you
see the name spelled,
545
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,377
sometimes people
pronounce it Cedric.
546
00:27:00,411 --> 00:27:03,173
But he said specifically Cedric.
547
00:27:03,207 --> 00:27:05,175
And I said, well, where
did you hear that name?
548
00:27:05,209 --> 00:27:08,247
And he said, well, he told me.
549
00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:10,145
Later that night
I put him to bed.
550
00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:12,596
And I started doing some
research on the internet.
551
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,254
I typed in Cedric
Pokker and what came up
552
00:27:15,288 --> 00:27:20,224
was a Cedric Popkin who
shot down a Fokker airplane.
553
00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:23,503
And it sounded just like Pokker.
554
00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:25,471
My heart just sank.
555
00:27:25,505 --> 00:27:27,680
And all of a sudden I
was like, oh my gosh.
556
00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,441
I can't believe I
found something.
557
00:27:30,476 --> 00:27:32,271
A lot of the details
of Cedric's life
558
00:27:32,305 --> 00:27:34,722
matched what Riley has told me.
559
00:27:34,756 --> 00:27:36,689
My name is Riley.
560
00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:38,035
I'm six.
561
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:39,934
My old dad's name is Cedric.
562
00:27:39,968 --> 00:27:42,695
He flew a plane with guns on it.
563
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:44,145
He came back from
the war different.
564
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:53,016
Cedric Popkin was
born in Australia in 1890.
565
00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:57,917
In 1916, when World War I
broke out, Cedric enlisted.
566
00:27:57,952 --> 00:28:01,196
He was stationed with the
17th machine gun company based
567
00:28:01,231 --> 00:28:02,335
in France.
568
00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,752
And they happened to
wear gray uniforms.
569
00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:08,445
It's believed that Cedric
Popkin fired the shot that
570
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,136
is famous for shooting
down the Red Baron.
571
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,281
The Red Baron was
famous, and this
572
00:28:17,316 --> 00:28:18,835
is something that
followed Cedric
573
00:28:18,869 --> 00:28:21,216
for the rest of his life.
574
00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,494
About two months after
killing the Red Baron,
575
00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:26,428
he suffered wounds that
resulted in his right leg being
576
00:28:26,463 --> 00:28:27,878
amputated.
577
00:28:27,913 --> 00:28:32,434
After that injury,
Cedric returned home.
578
00:28:32,469 --> 00:28:34,264
Cedric had two sons.
579
00:28:34,298 --> 00:28:37,129
His sons were Rollin and
Michael that both died over
580
00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:38,475
50 years ago.
581
00:28:38,509 --> 00:28:40,304
The interesting thing
is that they both died
582
00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:42,548
before their father.
583
00:28:42,582 --> 00:28:45,827
It was interesting that
there were so many similarities
584
00:28:45,862 --> 00:28:49,451
between some of the facts
that Riley had described.
585
00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:52,109
All this time we
thought we had a little kid that
586
00:28:52,144 --> 00:28:56,562
was talking about an old dad,
maybe it was his imagination.
587
00:28:56,596 --> 00:29:00,186
But as soon as I saw that
connection, I thought,
588
00:29:00,221 --> 00:29:02,533
wow, this is real.
589
00:29:02,568 --> 00:29:05,640
There's validity to
what he's saying.
590
00:29:05,674 --> 00:29:09,989
It could be a possibility that
Riley is one of Cedric Popkin's
591
00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:13,234
sons, but I'm not sure.
592
00:29:13,268 --> 00:29:14,580
I don't know the answers.
593
00:29:14,614 --> 00:29:17,238
I don't have any proof or
disproof of any of that stuff,
594
00:29:17,272 --> 00:29:19,067
because in my view
you can't have
595
00:29:19,102 --> 00:29:20,448
proof of those kinds of things.
596
00:29:20,482 --> 00:29:21,967
At least I haven't seen it.
597
00:29:22,001 --> 00:29:24,176
I don't know what it
would take to convince me.
598
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,040
I guess I would know it
when I saw it, right?
599
00:29:26,074 --> 00:29:28,697
It would have to be something
definitive, which I don't
600
00:29:28,732 --> 00:29:32,080
expect is coming anytime soon.
601
00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,290
When I was doing research, I
realized that most people who
602
00:29:35,325 --> 00:29:38,880
have experienced a past life,
they experienced it themselves.
603
00:29:38,915 --> 00:29:40,364
Riley's case was
a little different
604
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,471
because he was really
experiencing a past life
605
00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:48,614
from his dad's perspective
and what his dad went through.
606
00:29:48,648 --> 00:29:51,859
For him to hang on to those
memories in that relationship,
607
00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:55,863
the relationship must
have been very powerful.
608
00:29:55,897 --> 00:29:59,659
In my research, I did find
some photos of Cedric.
609
00:29:59,694 --> 00:30:01,627
I just kind of wanted to
see what he would say.
610
00:30:01,661 --> 00:30:06,183
So I put down an array
of old time pictures.
611
00:30:06,218 --> 00:30:09,911
And then put one in of Cedric
just kind of in the middle
612
00:30:09,946 --> 00:30:13,121
and asked Riley if any of
those look familiar to him.
613
00:30:13,156 --> 00:30:14,916
What I saw next amazed me.
614
00:30:23,925 --> 00:30:25,582
My six-year-old
son Riley believed
615
00:30:25,616 --> 00:30:30,414
he had an old dad
from a previous life.
616
00:30:30,449 --> 00:30:33,141
He said his father
had been injured
617
00:30:33,176 --> 00:30:34,625
and that the men
wore green uniforms.
618
00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:45,913
What I saw next amazed me.
619
00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:48,432
I put down an array of photos.
620
00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:52,678
Some were just pictures of
soldiers from the old days.
621
00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:55,681
And one of them
was Cedric Popkin.
622
00:30:55,715 --> 00:30:59,512
And when I put those photos out,
Riley touched Cedric Popkin's
623
00:30:59,547 --> 00:31:01,860
picture first.
624
00:31:01,894 --> 00:31:04,069
I didn't want to be like,
oh yeah, that's him.
625
00:31:04,103 --> 00:31:06,519
But inside I was
like, oh my gosh.
626
00:31:06,554 --> 00:31:09,212
I can't believe you
just picked this guy.
627
00:31:09,246 --> 00:31:12,871
This is the guy that matched
the name in the airplane.
628
00:31:12,905 --> 00:31:18,048
So yeah, it was kind of
an eye-opener for me.
629
00:31:18,083 --> 00:31:20,809
His old dad could
be Cedric Popkin.
630
00:31:20,844 --> 00:31:21,603
I'm not sure.
631
00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:24,020
But I'm OK with either way.
632
00:31:24,054 --> 00:31:27,575
It's interesting to think that a
boy that had traumatic memories
633
00:31:27,609 --> 00:31:31,820
in his past life is now with
a family that has a dad that
634
00:31:31,855 --> 00:31:33,822
is an advocate for
children and a mom
635
00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:36,135
that's a marriage and family
therapist for children.
636
00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:38,966
And things are much
different for him now.
637
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,588
As somebody
who works with kids,
638
00:31:40,622 --> 00:31:42,693
I just try to be
supportive and encouraging
639
00:31:42,728 --> 00:31:46,387
and let them know that that's
not how we roll in our family.
640
00:31:46,421 --> 00:31:47,698
Nick is an awesome dad.
641
00:31:47,733 --> 00:31:51,357
He's funny and very loving.
642
00:31:51,392 --> 00:31:54,257
And they have a
very special bond.
643
00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:55,948
We talk a lot
about making sure
644
00:31:55,983 --> 00:31:58,571
that he knows that we love him
and that we're here for him.
645
00:31:58,606 --> 00:32:01,436
And I have no doubt that he
understands that I love him
646
00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:04,025
and that I am his father
and that he doesn't have
647
00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:05,993
another father,
certainly, at this point,
648
00:32:06,027 --> 00:32:07,718
and that he can come
to me with anything.
649
00:32:07,753 --> 00:32:10,756
And I think he believes
that and understands that.
650
00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:11,999
I love my mom and dad.
651
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,591
I'm happy that I
have my parents.
652
00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:22,457
I think if you met Riley and
you didn't know this about him,
653
00:32:22,492 --> 00:32:24,080
if he never told you
about his old dad,
654
00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:26,530
you would never know that
there was anything different
655
00:32:26,565 --> 00:32:27,946
about him.
656
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,741
I would say that he's a normal
six-year-old who plays soccer
657
00:32:30,776 --> 00:32:34,055
and t-ball and hangs out with
his friends and goes swimming
658
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:35,436
and eats pizza.
659
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,163
He just happens to
remember having an old dad.
660
00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:47,758
Pedal fast.
661
00:32:47,793 --> 00:32:49,070
There you go.
662
00:32:49,105 --> 00:32:50,830
That's it.
663
00:32:50,865 --> 00:32:53,419
I don't think that this is going
to be something that troubles
664
00:32:53,454 --> 00:32:57,078
him later in life or
anything along those lines.
665
00:32:57,113 --> 00:32:58,459
You're on your own.
666
00:32:58,493 --> 00:33:00,150
I'm too tired to keep running.
667
00:33:00,185 --> 00:33:01,220
You're on your own.
668
00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:03,533
He's a super engaging person.
669
00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:04,534
That's my boy.
670
00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:08,365
And he sincerely
cares about the kids.
671
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,815
Victory dance.
672
00:33:09,849 --> 00:33:12,714
The thought that
maybe he did go
673
00:33:12,749 --> 00:33:16,580
through some of those hard
times, it makes me feel sad.
674
00:33:16,615 --> 00:33:20,205
But I also feel happy
knowing that he's come out
675
00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:21,792
on the other side with us.
676
00:33:21,827 --> 00:33:23,173
Watch out for the tree.
677
00:33:26,211 --> 00:33:28,834
We're going to make this life
for him a very positive one.
678
00:33:40,156 --> 00:33:43,814
My son remembered dying
in a horrific car accident.
679
00:33:43,849 --> 00:33:47,059
My brother died in a
drunk driving accident
680
00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:48,440
before my son was ever born.
681
00:33:57,828 --> 00:34:00,728
I knew that my son,
Noah, had a past life,
682
00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:02,868
and that past life
was my brother.
683
00:34:02,902 --> 00:34:06,009
My mom wasn't so sure.
684
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,459
When Noah
was seven, he was
685
00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:09,254
having a sleepover at my house.
686
00:34:09,288 --> 00:34:11,187
I was getting ready
to tuck him in.
687
00:34:11,221 --> 00:34:16,847
And he looked up at me and
said, Nana, I need froggy.
688
00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:19,574
And I stopped in my tracks.
689
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:22,439
And I said, what do
you mean, froggy?
690
00:34:22,474 --> 00:34:27,927
And he goes, you know, the
froggy I always sleep with.
691
00:34:27,962 --> 00:34:29,998
I'm in disbelief.
692
00:34:30,033 --> 00:34:33,140
And I said, what
color is froggy?
693
00:34:33,174 --> 00:34:34,244
He's yellow, Nana.
694
00:34:34,279 --> 00:34:36,833
You know froggy.
695
00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:41,527
All of a sudden I'm having
flashbacks of Craig.
696
00:34:41,562 --> 00:34:44,979
He always slept with froggy.
697
00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:48,327
Froggy is a handmade
stuffed animal made
698
00:34:48,362 --> 00:34:50,847
by my sister, Craig's aunt.
699
00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:54,092
She gave it to him
when he was 6 or so,
700
00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:56,818
and he just always loved
it and slept with it.
701
00:34:56,853 --> 00:35:02,307
I had, of course, kept certain
favorite things of my kids,
702
00:35:02,341 --> 00:35:03,929
froggy being one of them.
703
00:35:03,963 --> 00:35:06,552
But it hadn't been
something that I brought out
704
00:35:06,587 --> 00:35:10,142
for my grandkids to
sleep with or play with.
705
00:35:10,177 --> 00:35:16,597
I was thinking, am I really
hearing what I'm hearing?
706
00:35:16,631 --> 00:35:19,427
So I went to the closet
and had to get it down
707
00:35:19,462 --> 00:35:20,946
off the top shelf.
708
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:24,674
And I said, are you
talking about this froggy?
709
00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:28,954
And his eyes got really big and
he broke into this big smile
710
00:35:28,988 --> 00:35:33,579
and took it from me and hugged
it and said, there's my froggy.
711
00:35:33,614 --> 00:35:38,032
I was immediately a little
weepy, because it brought back
712
00:35:38,066 --> 00:35:39,413
so many memories.
713
00:35:39,447 --> 00:35:42,105
I mean, we couldn't go
anywhere without that froggy.
714
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,314
Craig took it everywhere.
715
00:35:44,349 --> 00:35:46,937
Noah had never seen
this frog before.
716
00:35:46,972 --> 00:35:49,181
It had never been
talked about before.
717
00:35:49,216 --> 00:35:54,186
That was the moment for me,
because now it was something
718
00:35:54,221 --> 00:35:57,051
really tangible in my house.
719
00:35:57,085 --> 00:36:00,917
That was the first time
that I thought to myself,
720
00:36:00,951 --> 00:36:04,092
there's something really
special about this boy.
721
00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:08,338
All of these other things
that have happened now
722
00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,478
really hit home with me.
723
00:36:10,513 --> 00:36:13,240
I remember my mom
calling me when Noah had stayed
724
00:36:13,274 --> 00:36:14,413
over at her house.
725
00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:15,966
And she called me crying.
726
00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:19,280
I felt like she was fully
convinced at that point.
727
00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:20,868
It was a
realization that night
728
00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:25,735
that Craig's soul was with us.
729
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:28,324
I felt like there was
no other explanation
730
00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:32,086
but that Craig was
reincarnated through Noah.
731
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,711
He's not my son, but
they share a soul.
732
00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:41,889
To watch Noah and see
the traits of Craig
733
00:36:41,923 --> 00:36:44,892
through him, once I
totally embraced it,
734
00:36:44,926 --> 00:36:49,241
it was a comfort and a blessing.
735
00:36:49,276 --> 00:36:50,000
It's a blessing.
736
00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:55,178
As he was
reaching middle school,
737
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,698
the anger that Noah
was starting to exhibit
738
00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:00,390
reminded me of my
brother at that age.
739
00:37:00,425 --> 00:37:02,150
If he was my brother
reincarnated,
740
00:37:02,185 --> 00:37:06,258
there may be anger and rage
he would bring forward.
741
00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:07,225
And I was really worried.
742
00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:18,822
My brother's soul had somehow
come back to me as my son.
743
00:37:18,857 --> 00:37:22,378
Noah called me by a nickname
that only my brother would use.
744
00:37:22,412 --> 00:37:24,242
Hanny.
745
00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:27,728
Noah talked of a spy plane
that only my brother had seen.
746
00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:34,044
When Noah asked my mom for
a stuffed animal by a name
747
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,632
that only my brother
would have known,
748
00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:37,255
then she started
to believe, too.
749
00:37:45,401 --> 00:37:49,784
I would see him banging his head
on the ground and on the walls
750
00:37:49,819 --> 00:37:52,580
and really acting out.
751
00:37:52,615 --> 00:37:55,687
I was worried that
if he was my brother
752
00:37:55,721 --> 00:37:59,346
reincarnated that there may be
some difficulties that he would
753
00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:01,209
bring forward.
754
00:38:01,244 --> 00:38:05,559
My brother had some very
tough times in his adolescence
755
00:38:05,593 --> 00:38:09,217
where he fought a lot of
internal anger and rage
756
00:38:09,252 --> 00:38:11,910
and didn't always make
the best decisions.
757
00:38:11,944 --> 00:38:15,051
And I was really worried
that something like that
758
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:18,951
might come through with my son.
759
00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:21,747
As much as I miss my
brother, Noah was my priority
760
00:38:21,782 --> 00:38:23,991
and I wanted to make sure
what happened to my brother
761
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:26,062
did not happen to Noah.
762
00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:29,824
My mom helped me find a very
good therapist that helped Noah
763
00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:32,102
with the anger that
he was feeling inside.
764
00:38:32,137 --> 00:38:35,347
And in some strange,
connected way,
765
00:38:35,382 --> 00:38:40,594
I felt like maybe I was
helping my brother, as well.
766
00:38:40,628 --> 00:38:42,147
Noah's 16 now.
767
00:38:42,181 --> 00:38:48,774
He's really grown into a
really balanced human being.
768
00:38:48,809 --> 00:38:49,844
My name is Noah.
769
00:38:49,879 --> 00:38:53,192
I do believe I was my uncle.
770
00:38:53,227 --> 00:38:54,918
The fact that I
was my uncle just
771
00:38:54,953 --> 00:38:57,369
amazes me and I think
it's pretty cool.
772
00:38:57,404 --> 00:39:00,441
Being different and
having a story behind it.
773
00:39:00,476 --> 00:39:02,512
I feel like the memories
are carried over with me
774
00:39:02,547 --> 00:39:03,893
because there's
no way I would be
775
00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:07,517
able to know all those stories
like my mom's nickname.
776
00:39:07,552 --> 00:39:08,518
Hanny.
777
00:39:08,553 --> 00:39:11,590
known any of that.
778
00:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,490
Never met my uncle, so
there's no way I would
779
00:39:14,524 --> 00:39:16,699
be able to know all those.
780
00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:19,736
Makes me feel like I am
getting like a second chance.
781
00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:23,947
I think the reason he came back
as me is because he messed up
782
00:39:23,982 --> 00:39:26,502
and he wants me to make
it right and carry on
783
00:39:26,536 --> 00:39:29,470
from what he left over.
784
00:39:29,505 --> 00:39:33,992
I think that there
was troubled times for Craig
785
00:39:34,026 --> 00:39:38,099
and I think this is a
way for him to heal.
786
00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:40,930
His soul is being
healed and Noah
787
00:39:40,964 --> 00:39:45,693
is learning from Craig's
soul and moving forward
788
00:39:45,728 --> 00:39:49,076
in a more positive way.
789
00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:50,457
Noah is driving now.
790
00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:52,735
I think he understands there's
a lot of responsibility
791
00:39:52,769 --> 00:39:54,150
with that.
792
00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:57,187
Every decision can impact his
life and somebody else's life.
793
00:39:57,222 --> 00:40:00,363
But he's very careful
and very cautious.
794
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,470
So far he's made really good
decisions behind the wheel.
795
00:40:03,504 --> 00:40:06,093
But like my friends,
you know, they got stories
796
00:40:06,127 --> 00:40:08,923
about how family members died
from drinking and driving.
797
00:40:08,958 --> 00:40:10,718
But I feel like I've been there.
798
00:40:10,753 --> 00:40:13,341
And I feel like I've
been through it.
799
00:40:13,376 --> 00:40:18,692
With my uncle's mistakes,
this is not another story.
800
00:40:18,726 --> 00:40:22,281
I feel like my uncle did
come back to my mom as me
801
00:40:22,316 --> 00:40:23,628
because they're very close.
802
00:40:23,662 --> 00:40:26,251
And my uncle watched
out for my mom.
803
00:40:26,285 --> 00:40:29,150
So I feel like I'm going to
still do the same-- watch out
804
00:40:29,185 --> 00:40:31,532
for her and help her with
everything that she needs
805
00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:35,087
and do what I can and make
sure I don't go down the path
806
00:40:35,122 --> 00:40:37,193
that he went down.
807
00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,575
I think Noah has
lived a much happier life
808
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:41,473
than my son did.
809
00:40:41,508 --> 00:40:44,200
I think it's another
chance for Craig's soul
810
00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:47,859
to be happy and enjoy
life with his family.
811
00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:49,550
It's made him
a really good role
812
00:40:49,585 --> 00:40:53,761
model for not just his
brothers, but also his friends.
813
00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:57,800
He's just a really good,
even-keeled young man.
814
00:40:57,834 --> 00:41:00,181
I am beyond proud of
where Noah is at today.
815
00:41:09,397 --> 00:41:12,504
I am nervous for Noah
to turn 21 and to go
816
00:41:12,539 --> 00:41:14,920
through his early 20s.
817
00:41:14,955 --> 00:41:17,613
I'd be lying if I said it
wasn't in the back of my head
818
00:41:17,647 --> 00:41:19,787
after what we've been through.
819
00:41:19,822 --> 00:41:24,274
But I also have confidence that
he will make better decisions.
820
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:26,518
I've done everything
I can up until this
821
00:41:26,553 --> 00:41:29,314
point to control
breaking the cycle.
822
00:41:29,348 --> 00:41:31,419
But now Noah's 16.
823
00:41:31,454 --> 00:41:33,352
So I have to hand over the keys.
824
00:41:33,387 --> 00:41:35,872
And now he's in control
of the rest of it.
825
00:41:35,907 --> 00:41:39,082
I feel like my uncle
did come back to my family
826
00:41:39,117 --> 00:41:40,912
so we can break that cycle.
827
00:41:40,946 --> 00:41:42,292
And I'm going to
break the cycle.
828
00:41:42,327 --> 00:41:44,053
What I learned from
this experience
829
00:41:44,087 --> 00:41:46,538
is anything can
happen at any time,
830
00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:48,160
so don't take life for granted.
831
00:41:48,195 --> 00:41:49,817
Just be you.
832
00:41:49,852 --> 00:41:50,611
Be smart.
833
00:41:50,646 --> 00:41:52,889
And live life.
65697
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