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[narrator]
The golden age of television.
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I Love Lucy didn't just change
American television,
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it invented
American television.
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[narrator]
Back when one screen
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brought everyone together.
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Watching television
was a family event.
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[narrator]
The shows that shaped us.
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[Gary Cole] The Brady Bunch
was part of the American soul.
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-It's timeless.
-[narrator] The familiar faces.
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[Bob Costas] Ralph Kramden
was loved on The Honeymooners.
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-Pow! Right in the kisser.
-He was a presence.
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[narrator]
The unforgettable moments.
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Dynasty captured
the essence
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of what the 1980s
were about in America.
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[narrator]
These are their stories.
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[Jeff Zucker]
Cheers is the pinnacle
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of how great
the sitcom can be.
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[narrator]
This is TV We Love.
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[retro piano playing]
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[narrator] It's 1981,
Reagan is sworn into office
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and ushers
in a whole new era for America.
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This decade,
it's called interruption,
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was probably epitomized
by Dynasty.
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[Jim Colucci] Dynasty could not
have been more perfectly timed.
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[narrator]
Bigger, bolder, brasher,
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and unapologetically '80s.
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I require one bedroom
for my wardrobe
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and one for myself.
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Dynasty also starred
powerful women.
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They looked great
and they dressed great.
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[narrator] The country
becomes Dynasty obsessed...
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[announcer] Joan Collins
is one of the most photographed
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and written about people
in the world.
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[narrator] ...as it morphs
into a cultural phenomenon.
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[Catherine Oxenberg]
100 million people a week
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globally watch the show.
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[Gordon Thomson]
The world was Dynasty mad.
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[Jim] The early '80s were
an interesting time.
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Primetime soaps were
a relatively new phenomenon.
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Dallas is
an enormous breakthrough
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in that it brings the idea of
the continuing storyline
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to primetime television
in a hit show.
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All the other networks,
the two other networks,
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I should say, NBC and ABC,
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wanted their own version
of Dallas.
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Where do we get
one of those?
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ABC went to Aaron Spelling
and said,
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"Give me a Dallas."
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Aaron Spelling was
a mega hit producer
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who worked on shows
like Charlie's Angels,
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Fantasy Island.
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He really figured out
the formula
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for nighttime soap operas.
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ABC knew how important
Aaron Spelling was.
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And certainly, he was
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one of the most important
producers of that era.
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Esther Shapiro and her husband
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brought a script to Aaron
and he said,
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"I think
we can really work with this."
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Dallas was already
on the air.
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They were on a ranch,
they wore ranch clothes.
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But Aaron wanted this
totally elegant.
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We began thinking of a series
that had everything
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that you're not supposed to put
on television.
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Rich people, the Midwest,
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older women particularly,
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strong, powerful,
lots of business,
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entrepreneur, greed, opulence.
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At one time,
the title of the show was "Oil".
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We talked about that a lot.
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Lo and behold,
the Shapiros came up
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with a title called Dynasty
that I just loved.
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I think
that said everything.
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They did
a tremendous job.
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We worked together,
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but I give full credit
for Dynasty to them.
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When Dynasty premiered,
I really remarked
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on quite how different
it was from Dallas.
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It really was
this upstairs-downstairs drama
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focusing on
the ultra-wealthy Carringtons
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who were led
by Blake Carrington,
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an oil tycoon.
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[Jim]
The storytelling, which I found,
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was so ratcheted up
on Dynasty.
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It's more verbal,
it's more visual,
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it just was
more catchy.
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[Dynasty theme song playing]
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[Pamela Sue Martin]
My agent sent me the script
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for the pilot.
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I said, well, "I don't really
want to do television."
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I envisioned myself as having
a film career at that time.
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And he said,
"Oh, it's just a pilot,
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just do it,
it won't be any big deal.
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And sell me into
the harem of a sheep
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for three barrels of crude
and a box of cigars.
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[Al Corley] The audition
was like a film audition.
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They had it at a soundstage,
they had a real film camera,
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they had a director,
it was a big deal.
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Got a call late that day
and said,
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"You got the part,
playing Steven Carrington."
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I also said, you know,
"I'm rich," you know,
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because I was making, like,
I don't know,
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300 bucks a week
doing theater.
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It's like, wow, okay.
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I can eat better.
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They said, "We're picking you up
for 13 shows.
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And we're shooting
a three-hour pilot."
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It's like
a three-hour pilot?
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We barely shot
one-hour pilots.
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I show up,
we shoot the whole thing
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with George Peppard
as my father.
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[Pamela] George Peppard
played my father initially.
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He wasn't getting along
with the producers
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or maybe perhaps seemed
sort of demanding.
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It was nuts,
it was difficult.
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It was
a very odd situation.
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[Gordon] George Peppard
was a pain in the ass.
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[Candy Spelling] George
was not the team player.
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[John James]
I introduced myself.
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He looked at me
and went...
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[imitating blowing out
cigarette smoke]
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That's what he said.
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And the next thing I know,
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he was being replaced
with John Forsythe.
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You got to come back and
shoot all those scenes again.
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John Forsythe was
certainly well-known
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to the Spelling Company
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and was well-known
to viewers
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as the voice of Charlie
on Charlie's Angels.
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-Good morning, angels.
-[all] Good morning, Charlie.
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And so, they had a relationship
with John Forsythe,
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who is
the perfect choice.
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John Forsythe,
as Blake Carrington,
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brought sort of an icy steel
to his character
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and was very much
in command.
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You do something
about it.
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And don't bother me again
with this business
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until it's finished.
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Whereas Linda Evans
as Krystle,
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a little more warm,
a little more embracing.
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I married Blake
because I love him.
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And because
I want to make him happy.
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And together,
they just were this glamorous,
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iconic couple that
you really enjoyed watching
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and seeing the yin and the yang
between the two.
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I love you even more tomorrow
than I did yesterday.
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I love you too, darling.
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Linda Evans is just
such a lovely person.
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She had
her own personality,
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she had
the angelic white blonde hair.
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She practically glowed
with goodness.
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We are introduced
to this world
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really through Krystle's eyes.
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She was like
a young employee
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who fell in love
with Blake.
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[ceremonial tone playing]
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The show begins
with the marriage
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of Blake and Krystle.
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And their romance
really is
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the ultimate through-line
of the whole show.
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I will.
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It came on in mid-season,
as they called it then,
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in January of 1981.
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It was the week of
the presidential
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inauguration with Reagan.
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I, Ronald Reagan,
do solemnly swear
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that I will faithfully
execute the office
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of President
of the United States.
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[Dynasty theme song playing]
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And here comes this show
that is big and bold
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and over-the-top
and is going to end up embodying
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what we associate with Reaganism
and with the '80s.
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Dynasty is very much
a reflection
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of the Reagan era
and conspicuous consumption
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and, you know,
Wall Street and Gordon Gekko.
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Read it right.
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This decade,
it's called interruption,
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was probably epitomized
by Dynasty.
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[Jeff] I love Dynasty,
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and I am not afraid
to admit that.
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I think it captured
the essence
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of what the 1980s
were about in America.
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[Jim] Dynasty could not
have been more perfectly timed.
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It was a way
to just escape
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into this insane world
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of conspicuous consumption
and money.
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Dynasty was not a white-hot hit
when it premiered.
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It did okay,
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and ABC obviously
was being patient with it.
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Number 26 in the ratings
is not the worst place to be.
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It's just not the top 20 where
you're really guaranteed safe.
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I actually was on set a lot
in the beginning.
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The sets on Dynasty
were incredible.
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Everything had to be
beautiful, opulent,
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what old Hollywood was.
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The caviar on set
was generally real.
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Mm-hmm,
it's excellent caviar.
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[Jack Coleman]
The flowers were all real.
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They'd throw a spread
on camera,
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which was cracked crab,
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and it would all be real,
and you could eat it.
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And tiny new potatoes
with sour cream and caviar.
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I was
a very new director.
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I had
barely directed anything.
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I don't think
I'd ever had caviar
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before I did the show.
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It was the first time
I'd ever tasted caviar.
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Real crystal,
real chandeliers.
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I have one of them in my house,
by the way.
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Real everything.
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We had, you know,
Brink's people on set
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with some of the diamonds
and the jewels and the furs,
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and, you know, that was back
when furs were real furs.
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The first episode they gave me
was insane
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because the episode
was surrounding
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a huge birthday party
for one of the kids.
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And it was at a Pasadena estate,
and there were literally
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maybe 200 people there,
extras, jugglers, clown people,
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and I freaked out
when I read the script.
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"Oh, my God,
how am I gonna get this?"
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But John Forsythe came up to me,
and he said,
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"This is amazing,
we love you, this is great."
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And I thought,
"Okay, I got through day one.
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If it gets any bigger,
you're going to have to rent
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-the convention center downtown.
-I've thought of that.
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-Or my football field.
-[Krystle laughing]
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It was campy, it was fun,
it was costumes.
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Can I drop you off somewhere?
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No. I have a date.
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I think if you look
at daytime soaps
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or nighttime soaps,
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they all have
a little camp in them.
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I married you because
I made a deal with the devil.
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I asked you to wear
the emerald necklace tonight.
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It was a big gay thing,
the gay community loved it.
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I'm trying to find myself,
to sort out my life.
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The phrase used to be,
"I love you."
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I love Dynasty
because of the dichotomy.
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Obviously, it's campy,
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it's flashy, it's fabulous,
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but it also is
a very serious drama.
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Don't try to deny it,
Blake Carrington.
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You had him beat up,
and I know it.
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If I did or I didn't,
that's no concern of yours.
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Some of the issues
that the show tackled
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were reproductive rights.
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Your abortion is set
for Tuesday.
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A message
I took for you.
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Pick up the phone
and cancel it!
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[Derrik J. Lang]
Gay rights.
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I'm gay,
and I want you to face it.
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We pitched some very touching
subject matter.
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I didn't ever see
a gay character
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on television until then.
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The character of Steven
was a seminal moment
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in television for gay men.
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What I am is somebody
who's in love with a person.
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My interest was,
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that's something
that I haven't seen,
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how am I going
to do that?
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I thought it was special.
262
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If you ever really loved me
the way I loved you,
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you'll understand.
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I think that
without Steven,
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without Dynasty,
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their gay representation
on television
267
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would have definitely
been slower.
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Steven is gay.
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I got a lot of fan mail
from gay men
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who said, you know,
271
00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,095
"When I saw your show,
finally, there was a voice."
272
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Finally, there was someone
that I could relate to."
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-Take care, buddy.
-You too, buddy.
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At the end of the first season,
Blake Carrington
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attacks Steven Carrington's
male lover,
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Ted Dinard.
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-Get your hands off my son.
-Dad, we were--
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I said,
get your hands off him!
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No, no!
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[rod clanks]
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[dramatic tone playing]
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[Derrik] And kills him.
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You've killed him.
284
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The storyline of my father
killing my lover...
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which was accidental,
or was it?
286
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And that's sort of
the play on it.
287
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I think it was a way
to get into a court scene.
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People of the state of Colorado
versus Blake Carrington.
289
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Steven Carrington, my character,
had to make a choice
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to defend his father
291
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or defend myself
and my right to be gay.
292
00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:15,319
Blake's kind of the villain
in that story.
293
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It made me confused
as a viewer.
294
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"Wait, am I supposed
to like this guy?"
295
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Because he's saying
bad things to Steven,
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and yet he's so innately likable
even when he's doing it.
297
00:12:23,076 --> 00:12:27,748
They wanted me to be a J.R.
in Dallas figure,
298
00:12:27,748 --> 00:12:29,500
and I was opposed to that.
299
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The show needed a villain.
300
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Uh-oh, Blake's not bad enough.
Who do we get?
301
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Your Honor,
our witness has arrived.
302
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This was going to be the villain
for the '80s.
303
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Let's find somebody really big,
really good.
304
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The hat arrived first.
305
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[dramatic tone playing]
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[whimsical tone playing]
307
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What's she doing here,
what's going on?
308
00:13:03,826 --> 00:13:06,703
In the courtroom scene,
when Alexis walks in
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for the very first time,
it's actually an extra.
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My God,
that's my mother.
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There was
going to be either
312
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Elizabeth Taylor,
Sophia Loren,
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that Aaron had wanted
to play Alexis.
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Sophia Loren's husband
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came to meet with me
in the office.
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Then he heard
that we shot, like,
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eight pages a day.
318
00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:27,724
He said, well,
we don't do that in a week, so.
319
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They turned it down,
and it became Joan Collins.
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00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,358
[Candy] I'll tell you
about Joan Collins.
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The network did not
want her.
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He had to fight really hard
for her.
323
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She had done some,
a few B movies.
324
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Aaron really fought
for Joan.
325
00:13:45,409 --> 00:13:48,829
You know, and Joan comes in,
and is this just absolute boss,
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00:13:48,829 --> 00:13:51,582
and I don't know that
we'd ever seen the boss bitch
327
00:13:51,582 --> 00:13:54,543
done quite like that
on network television.
328
00:13:54,543 --> 00:13:56,879
Would you state
your full name, please?
329
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Alexis Morell Carrington.
330
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You were
the first wife
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of the defendant,
Blake Carrington.
332
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You're the mother of his
children, is that correct?
333
00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:05,596
Yes, it is.
334
00:14:05,596 --> 00:14:07,514
When I saw her do
the first scene,
335
00:14:07,514 --> 00:14:09,099
it was just perfect.
336
00:14:09,099 --> 00:14:13,395
There were threats made.
337
00:14:13,395 --> 00:14:16,398
Something about
how my children
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00:14:16,398 --> 00:14:18,692
might not recognize me
if I tried to see them.
339
00:14:18,692 --> 00:14:21,737
Joan just took that character
and just ran with it.
340
00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:25,115
When I need a trump card,
I'm going to play it.
341
00:14:25,115 --> 00:14:28,577
Joan just liked
hurling barbs at people.
342
00:14:28,577 --> 00:14:32,164
Still the impotent boyar.
343
00:14:32,164 --> 00:14:33,999
Verbal assaults.
344
00:14:33,999 --> 00:14:36,084
You double-crossing scum.
345
00:14:36,084 --> 00:14:38,086
She was absolutely brilliant
at it.
346
00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,923
-You bitch!
-Shh!
347
00:14:40,923 --> 00:14:42,799
You're beginning to sound
more and more like a fishwife.
348
00:14:45,636 --> 00:14:47,512
The whole idea
349
00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:50,098
of bringing Joan Collins in
with that accent.
350
00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:52,684
There are two Mrs. Colbys now,
you know.
351
00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:55,854
The way she wore clothes
and that feeling she had,
352
00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:57,606
it was
just perfect casting.
353
00:14:57,606 --> 00:15:00,317
You're even more beautiful
and more ugly
354
00:15:00,317 --> 00:15:03,153
than that grand English lady
I vaguely remember.
355
00:15:03,153 --> 00:15:06,573
Joan Collins obviously added
a huge element to Dynasty
356
00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:08,450
once she arrived
and became
357
00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:10,661
one of the best villains
in television history.
358
00:15:11,203 --> 00:15:14,498
I'm glad to see that your father
had your teeth fixed,
359
00:15:14,498 --> 00:15:16,750
if not your tongue.
360
00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,001
And she played
my real mother.
361
00:15:18,001 --> 00:15:22,005
-Hello, Stephen.
-Hello.
362
00:15:22,005 --> 00:15:23,548
Who is that person?
363
00:15:23,548 --> 00:15:25,425
Who is that character?
Who is that actress?
364
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:27,010
People always went,
"What's Joan Collins,
365
00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:29,554
is she really a bitch?"
No, she's not.
366
00:15:29,554 --> 00:15:33,475
She can be,
but she's fundamentally not.
367
00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:36,186
Soap operas have to cheat
their storytelling so often
368
00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:38,105
because if you want
to cast an actor,
369
00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:39,940
a hot young actor, well,
who's that actor going to play?
370
00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:41,274
A long-lost child.
371
00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,277
You're my son.
372
00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,905
[Gordon] I remember
doing my screen test,
373
00:15:46,905 --> 00:15:50,492
and she had just emerged
from the stage door.
374
00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:52,411
"Hello, Miss Collins,
I'm Gordon Thompson."
375
00:15:52,411 --> 00:15:55,205
Thinking back on it,
it's astonishing
376
00:15:55,205 --> 00:15:58,542
that one of
the enormous stars of this
377
00:15:58,542 --> 00:16:02,129
now very successful show,
series,
378
00:16:02,129 --> 00:16:04,464
was going to do
a screen test
379
00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,508
with a complete unknown.
380
00:16:07,384 --> 00:16:08,969
One of my lines was...
381
00:16:08,969 --> 00:16:10,345
My real name...
382
00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:15,308
is Adam Alexander Carrington.
383
00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:17,227
It was
an enormous treat.
384
00:16:17,227 --> 00:16:20,230
So you'd think I would know
that "You got the job."
385
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:22,566
It went very well.
386
00:16:22,566 --> 00:16:23,942
It's a welcome home gift,
darling.
387
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:27,988
[Mark Zunino] When I started,
I was really a gopher.
388
00:16:27,988 --> 00:16:29,698
I was terrified
of Joan.
389
00:16:29,698 --> 00:16:31,742
Before I had even met her,
I was told
390
00:16:31,742 --> 00:16:33,910
to go in her dressing room
with sketches,
391
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,495
sitting in her dressing room,
392
00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:39,541
and she came off set,
not in the best of moods,
393
00:16:39,541 --> 00:16:42,544
and I was there,
and she turned around,
394
00:16:42,544 --> 00:16:44,755
and she started screaming,
and I'm trying to tell her,
395
00:16:44,755 --> 00:16:46,173
"I'm here
to show you sketches,"
396
00:16:46,173 --> 00:16:47,924
but she kept screaming
and screaming.
397
00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,426
All of a sudden,
the door flew open,
398
00:16:49,426 --> 00:16:51,303
and it was Heather Locklear,
and I said,
399
00:16:51,303 --> 00:16:53,430
"I'm here to see Joan
and show her sketches,"
400
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:54,973
and she said,
"Honey, Joan's not here today,
401
00:16:54,973 --> 00:16:56,892
it's only Alexis."
402
00:16:56,892 --> 00:16:58,393
You don't love Joan.
403
00:16:58,393 --> 00:17:00,562
You're kind of
a little afraid of Joan,
404
00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:02,105
but you're fascinated
by Joan.
405
00:17:03,023 --> 00:17:05,984
Dynasty was not a huge hit
until Alexis showed up.
406
00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:07,569
I do as I please.
407
00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:09,237
I always have,
and I always will.
408
00:17:09,237 --> 00:17:11,364
It was interesting to see it
suddenly go,
409
00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:13,909
you know what, we've kind of
found our lane here,
410
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:16,244
and our lane is not
kitchen sink drama.
411
00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:18,080
It's opera.
412
00:17:19,289 --> 00:17:20,791
[Alexis grunts]
413
00:17:23,585 --> 00:17:25,837
If you want a rematch,
just whistle.
414
00:17:25,837 --> 00:17:27,506
We have to talk about
415
00:17:27,506 --> 00:17:30,425
Alexis and Krystle's
big cat fight
416
00:17:30,425 --> 00:17:33,261
that went right
into the lily pond.
417
00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:35,806
Oh, you miserable bitch!
418
00:17:35,806 --> 00:17:39,142
[dramatic tone playing]
419
00:17:39,142 --> 00:17:40,852
Once Dynasty established
420
00:17:40,852 --> 00:17:43,230
that there would be physical
cat fights between women,
421
00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:45,690
that was something audiences
were tuning in for.
422
00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:47,609
Will this week be one of
the weeks where they, you know,
423
00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:49,611
Alexis and Krystle dive
into the lily pond?
424
00:17:49,611 --> 00:17:50,946
Oh, no, no.
425
00:17:53,031 --> 00:17:55,492
They were wet constantly,
like drenched,
426
00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:57,202
and I know it wasn't easy
for them,
427
00:17:57,202 --> 00:17:59,287
but watching it
was just so much fun.
428
00:17:59,287 --> 00:18:02,707
Linda was very physical
and loved fighting,
429
00:18:02,707 --> 00:18:04,126
and Joan was not.
430
00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:08,004
With the cat fights,
I think they were like a drug,
431
00:18:08,004 --> 00:18:11,133
and next week's cat fight
has to be that much crazier.
432
00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:13,426
You have to up the dosage of
that drug for the audience
433
00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:15,595
to make it stand out.
434
00:18:19,349 --> 00:18:21,226
There were many cat fights
on Dynasty.
435
00:18:21,226 --> 00:18:22,477
I did one of them.
436
00:18:22,477 --> 00:18:25,564
They went down
a muddy hill
437
00:18:25,564 --> 00:18:27,566
and then fought
in mud.
438
00:18:27,566 --> 00:18:30,026
You stupid bitch!
439
00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:31,945
Look what you've done
to this outfit!
440
00:18:31,945 --> 00:18:33,697
A lot of people
that watched the show,
441
00:18:33,697 --> 00:18:35,866
and knowing that
there were Chanel suits,
442
00:18:35,866 --> 00:18:39,077
there was Nolan Miller suits,
there were dresses,
443
00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:41,454
but we never, never, ever
444
00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,623
put a Nolan Miller suit
in mud.
445
00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:47,586
So rest assured, yes,
the suits were safe.
446
00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:57,304
I'd rather concentrate
on your outfit.
447
00:18:57,304 --> 00:18:59,639
It's rather becoming.
448
00:18:59,639 --> 00:19:01,558
Nolan Miller was one of, really,
449
00:19:01,558 --> 00:19:03,226
one of the superstars
of Dynasty,
450
00:19:03,226 --> 00:19:05,937
whether people knew his name
at the time or not.
451
00:19:05,937 --> 00:19:10,025
Nolan Miller had come
to Hollywood in the '50s.
452
00:19:10,025 --> 00:19:12,694
The most auspicious thing
that happened to him
453
00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:14,654
and happened to Aaron Spelling
is that they met each other,
454
00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:16,406
and they formed
this partnership.
455
00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:19,868
His dream was to be a couturier,
and so I said,
456
00:19:19,868 --> 00:19:21,369
"Well, if I ever get a show,
457
00:19:21,369 --> 00:19:22,704
we'll do
some costumes together."
458
00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,956
Nolan and Aaron's
first big,
459
00:19:24,956 --> 00:19:27,167
successful collaboration was
The Love Boat.
460
00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:29,586
It was an excuse for Nolan
461
00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:31,504
to really swing
for the fences
462
00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:34,549
and really design
his dream gowns,
463
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:37,427
and so, by the time Dynasty
came around in 1981,
464
00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:39,387
The Love Boat had been on
for three seasons.
465
00:19:39,387 --> 00:19:43,266
They were revving at top gear
right from the start of Dynasty.
466
00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:47,646
When I first started with Nolan,
it was crazy
467
00:19:47,646 --> 00:19:50,857
because nobody ever
gave a budget.
468
00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:54,694
When I went fabric shopping
or sourcing things,
469
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,571
you know,
do I have a limit
470
00:19:56,571 --> 00:19:57,948
of how much
I can spend, no.
471
00:19:57,948 --> 00:19:59,324
The budget started out,
472
00:19:59,324 --> 00:20:00,450
when I first was there,
473
00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,244
at $15,000 a week,
474
00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:04,537
and then,
I was always over budget,
475
00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:06,665
and it was a problem,
and Aaron talked to me,
476
00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:09,000
so he raised it
to $25,000 a week.
477
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,920
You don't care what they spend,
it's a dream come true.
478
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,797
You come in, and they've got
the finest everything
479
00:20:13,797 --> 00:20:16,007
for you to choose
what you want to wear.
480
00:20:16,007 --> 00:20:18,718
Aaron, he was a master
at detail.
481
00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:21,304
If an extra walked by
and had the same color on
482
00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:22,681
as one of the principals,
483
00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:26,101
he absolutely would have
to reshoot this.
484
00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:27,519
There's been no show
485
00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,188
that I did before, during,
or after
486
00:20:30,188 --> 00:20:33,733
that has ever had a budget
like that for a wardrobe.
487
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:37,487
The clothes literally became
one of the stars of the show.
488
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:40,615
[dynamic music playing]
489
00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:43,118
[Jim] The '80s happened to be
an explosion of fashion
490
00:20:43,118 --> 00:20:46,538
that Dynasty helped happen
with those Nolan Miller designs.
491
00:20:46,538 --> 00:20:49,249
The shoulder pads and the hair
got bigger and bigger and bigger
492
00:20:49,249 --> 00:20:50,709
as they tried
to outdo themselves
493
00:20:50,709 --> 00:20:52,210
and be more
and more glam
494
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:54,129
and more and more
aspirational.
495
00:20:54,879 --> 00:20:58,008
They were couture,
real haute couture.
496
00:20:58,008 --> 00:21:00,260
I salivated
over those clothes.
497
00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:02,804
The clothes
were sensational.
498
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:06,391
[indistinct] was
so damn glamorous. [laughs]
499
00:21:06,391 --> 00:21:08,643
One of the fascinations
about Dynasty
500
00:21:08,643 --> 00:21:10,353
that causes
millions of people
501
00:21:10,353 --> 00:21:13,064
to watch every week
is the fashion.
502
00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,191
[Mark] In the whole running
of the show,
503
00:21:15,191 --> 00:21:18,069
the clothing were the only thing
that actually won an Emmy.
504
00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:19,738
No actor ever won an Emmy,
505
00:21:19,738 --> 00:21:22,407
but Nolan won an Emmy
for wardrobe.
506
00:21:22,407 --> 00:21:25,410
If you think about it,
the cast of Dynasty
507
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:27,579
were basically influencers.
508
00:21:27,579 --> 00:21:30,165
[woman] They'll be able to dress
like the characters of Dynasty,
509
00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:31,750
smell like the characters
of Dynasty,
510
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:33,668
and make their homes
look like it.
511
00:21:33,668 --> 00:21:35,003
[announcer]
Dynasty star Joan Collins
512
00:21:35,003 --> 00:21:36,546
has her own
jewelry collection.
513
00:21:36,546 --> 00:21:39,883
Nolan was asked numerously
514
00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:42,886
to create
retail fashion lines.
515
00:21:42,886 --> 00:21:44,554
[announcer]
After the show began,
516
00:21:44,554 --> 00:21:46,264
Miller started receiving
thousands of letters
517
00:21:46,264 --> 00:21:47,849
asking where viewers
could buy
518
00:21:47,849 --> 00:21:50,018
the same kind of clothes
on the show.
519
00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:53,146
He finally recreated a line
for Bloomingdale's,
520
00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:55,106
which was epic.
521
00:21:56,983 --> 00:21:59,611
[announcer]
He made 101 classic outfits
522
00:21:59,611 --> 00:22:03,198
from the hit series available
to high fashion fans everywhere.
523
00:22:03,198 --> 00:22:05,825
[Mark]
It was chaos at the store
524
00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:06,993
when they debuted
the collection.
525
00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:08,453
The characters,
526
00:22:08,453 --> 00:22:10,205
they had all shown up,
all the actors.
527
00:22:10,205 --> 00:22:11,873
It really was something.
528
00:22:11,873 --> 00:22:13,416
I really think that Dynasty
got it right
529
00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:16,461
in that it embraced
the femaleness of it all.
530
00:22:16,461 --> 00:22:18,046
They wisely knew
who their audience was
531
00:22:18,046 --> 00:22:19,464
and who was watching.
532
00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:20,590
[Al] The role of women
on Dynasty
533
00:22:20,590 --> 00:22:22,092
was an important issue.
534
00:22:22,092 --> 00:22:24,052
Almost from the beginning,
they looked great
535
00:22:24,052 --> 00:22:25,720
and they dressed great.
536
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,890
They weren't in the kitchen
537
00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:31,643
or taking the kids to school
or taking them to soccer games.
538
00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:35,939
It wasn't really until Dynasty
that we had seen women
539
00:22:35,939 --> 00:22:37,982
in very powerful roles
540
00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:40,568
as CEOs of companies.
541
00:22:40,568 --> 00:22:42,529
If I do not get
that approval,
542
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:44,781
I shall fire you all
on the spot.
543
00:22:44,781 --> 00:22:47,283
Don't think that just because
Blake Carrington isn't here
544
00:22:47,283 --> 00:22:48,827
that I won't be keeping
an eye on you.
545
00:22:49,536 --> 00:22:50,787
Every one of you.
546
00:22:50,787 --> 00:22:52,539
You are now working for me.
547
00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:54,416
I suppose they call it a bitch
because it's a woman.
548
00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:56,251
If it was a man,
they would call it
549
00:22:56,251 --> 00:22:59,879
a very dedicated career person
who's strong and forceful.
550
00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:02,048
But because it's a woman,
they call her a bitch.
551
00:23:02,048 --> 00:23:04,008
What do you want,
Miss Deveraux?
552
00:23:04,008 --> 00:23:06,344
For now,
not much really.
553
00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:08,221
When Diahann Carroll
joined Dynasty
554
00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:09,556
as Dominique Deveraux...
555
00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:11,724
From now on,
every deal you make,
556
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,143
every step you take,
557
00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:14,936
turn and look over
your shoulder
558
00:23:14,936 --> 00:23:18,982
because sooner or later,
I will be standing there.
559
00:23:18,982 --> 00:23:21,192
She broke the glass ceiling
to some degree
560
00:23:21,192 --> 00:23:25,071
in representation especially
of Black wealth and opulence.
561
00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:26,531
You're suing me.
562
00:23:26,531 --> 00:23:28,450
Exactly.
563
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:31,202
And bringing a whole new level
of storytelling to Dynasty
564
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:32,954
that we hadn't seen before
565
00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:35,123
on that show or, really,
in television.
566
00:23:35,123 --> 00:23:37,750
Women are interested
in seeing women look beautiful
567
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:39,294
and be powerful
and be smart.
568
00:23:39,294 --> 00:23:41,713
Joan was the first woman
at age 50
569
00:23:41,713 --> 00:23:44,299
that was put on the cover
of Playboy magazine.
570
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,050
Hugh Hefner approached her.
571
00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:49,429
She nervously said yes,
did it,
572
00:23:49,429 --> 00:23:53,475
and so, it really was
a new chapter for women.
573
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:56,519
And it was about a whole
resurgence of beautiful women.
574
00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,022
[announcer] Joan Collins
is one of the most photographed
575
00:23:59,022 --> 00:24:00,857
and written about people
in the world.
576
00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:04,319
[Michael] It really morphed
into a cultural phenomenon.
577
00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:06,571
[Catherine Oxenberg]
We loved the fact that
578
00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:08,072
we were on the magazine covers
579
00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:10,158
and everybody
was talking about the show
580
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:12,202
and that we felt
we were invincible.
581
00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,787
100 million people a week
globally watched the show.
582
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:16,748
The visibility was huge.
583
00:24:16,748 --> 00:24:18,833
[Michael] The world
was Dynasty mad.
584
00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:21,586
Dynasty and Dallas became
era-defining hits
585
00:24:21,586 --> 00:24:23,546
and were alternating with,
you know,
586
00:24:23,546 --> 00:24:25,507
who could be number one
and who could be number two
587
00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,175
in the primetime lineup.
588
00:24:27,175 --> 00:24:29,177
[announcer] ABC's soap opera
Dynasty finished
589
00:24:29,177 --> 00:24:31,137
on top of the Nielsen ratings
last week.
590
00:24:31,137 --> 00:24:33,431
Nobody ever dreamt, I think,
in their wildest dreams
591
00:24:33,431 --> 00:24:35,016
it was going to be
as successful.
592
00:24:35,016 --> 00:24:37,310
-Dynasty!
-Dynasty.
593
00:24:38,394 --> 00:24:40,438
Thank you very much.
594
00:24:40,438 --> 00:24:43,316
I want to thank Sophia Loren
for turning down the part.
595
00:24:43,316 --> 00:24:46,152
[audience applauding]
596
00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:49,280
-And thank you very much indeed.
-Very, very grateful.
597
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,990
The parties they threw
got fancier.
598
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:53,284
The hair got bigger,
the shoulder pads got bigger,
599
00:24:53,284 --> 00:24:54,744
the cars got fancier.
600
00:24:54,744 --> 00:24:56,996
[reporter]
Up over the mountain to Encino,
601
00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:59,415
to the hot club
where a big party was going on.
602
00:24:59,415 --> 00:25:03,253
They had Dynasty parties
on the night that Dynasty showed
603
00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:06,798
and they'd all watch it together
and scream at the same scenes.
604
00:25:06,798 --> 00:25:08,675
What gave you the idea
to throw the party?
605
00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:11,344
There was this whole kind of
thing going on in America
606
00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,972
of everybody having Dynasty
parties on Wednesday night.
607
00:25:13,972 --> 00:25:16,266
You know, if so-and-so says
a certain line,
608
00:25:16,266 --> 00:25:18,226
you know,
you got to chug a beer.
609
00:25:18,226 --> 00:25:20,603
Everybody sort of got
into this sort of Dynasty fever
610
00:25:20,603 --> 00:25:22,855
and we would all go
to gay bars
611
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:25,066
in West Hollywood
the night of the show,
612
00:25:25,066 --> 00:25:26,901
and it was great
613
00:25:26,901 --> 00:25:30,363
because we sort of saw it
with the fans.
614
00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:32,824
I think
one of the downsides
615
00:25:32,824 --> 00:25:35,159
of Dynasty becoming
a huge success
616
00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,453
is that there was
a lot more pressure on the show
617
00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:39,747
to become more mainstream
and shy away
618
00:25:39,747 --> 00:25:41,833
from some of the more
controversial storylines,
619
00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:44,127
and as a result,
they pulled back quite a bit
620
00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:46,212
from some of those storylines
621
00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:48,381
that were real landmarks
of Dynasty early on.
622
00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:58,558
Where would you like me
to put the money?
623
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:01,185
Come on, don't tell me this is
your first time with a hooker.
624
00:26:01,185 --> 00:26:02,854
No, it wasn't.
625
00:26:02,854 --> 00:26:06,357
It's interesting,
the early episodes of Dynasty,
626
00:26:06,357 --> 00:26:07,567
they were
a lot grittier.
627
00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,193
I wanted you to be
a man.
628
00:26:09,193 --> 00:26:12,530
I am a man,
just not your kind.
629
00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:15,199
Dynasty became
a bit of a different show.
630
00:26:15,199 --> 00:26:17,160
It was
less about business,
631
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,162
it was less about
the gritty storylines.
632
00:26:19,162 --> 00:26:20,496
Behind the scenes,
633
00:26:20,496 --> 00:26:23,583
there was always
a lot of discussion
634
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:26,085
about how gay Steven could be.
635
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:29,922
They had a hard time,
for whatever reason,
636
00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:33,509
committing to Steven
just being completely gay.
637
00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:35,511
You said to me
that it made you sick,
638
00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:37,055
me putting my hands
on another man.
639
00:26:37,055 --> 00:26:38,931
Okay, I'm putting them
on women.
640
00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:43,019
I remember being on the set,
across the table in the scene
641
00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:44,771
with my gay lover,
642
00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:47,398
and I reached over
643
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:49,233
and I was going
to just put my hand
644
00:26:49,233 --> 00:26:50,652
on his hand in the scene.
645
00:26:51,694 --> 00:26:53,071
And someone from ABC came over
and said,
646
00:26:53,071 --> 00:26:54,197
"You can't do that."
647
00:26:54,197 --> 00:26:55,365
I said, "What do you mean?"
648
00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:57,867
And by the way,
649
00:26:57,867 --> 00:26:59,869
"If you're going
to hug him,
650
00:26:59,869 --> 00:27:03,331
you have to either be saying
goodbye or hello."
651
00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:04,707
That was surprising to me,
652
00:27:04,707 --> 00:27:06,042
it caught me off guard
as an actor.
653
00:27:06,042 --> 00:27:08,878
-Hi.
-Hi.
654
00:27:08,878 --> 00:27:12,465
How do you have
an out gay character
655
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:16,344
who can only maybe, like,
touch and hug his partners?
656
00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:18,846
So, they started exploring
657
00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:21,182
his relationships
with other characters,
658
00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:23,059
specifically female characters.
659
00:27:23,059 --> 00:27:26,104
I'm Sammy Jo Dean,
Krystle Carrington's niece.
660
00:27:26,104 --> 00:27:27,897
They decided
to make him bisexual,
661
00:27:27,897 --> 00:27:30,233
and they made him,
he got married to Sammy Jo,
662
00:27:30,233 --> 00:27:32,068
Heather Locklear.
663
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,196
You missed
a really big opportunity here.
664
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:37,532
Now it's like he's gay,
he's not gay,
665
00:27:37,532 --> 00:27:41,202
you know,
and it's redundant as an actor.
666
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:42,745
If you're not willing
to go in
667
00:27:42,745 --> 00:27:44,539
and go a little bit
below the surface,
668
00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:46,124
even in a soap opera,
669
00:27:46,124 --> 00:27:47,834
what's the point of
the character?
670
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,753
So I was really disappointed,
to be quite honest.
671
00:27:50,753 --> 00:27:53,172
When I showed
my unhappiness
672
00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,174
with where the character
was going,
673
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:58,678
and I think they just said,
you know, "Okay, well, fine."
674
00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:00,805
I said, "Okay, fine,"
that was it.
675
00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:04,642
He didn't appreciate that,
didn't think it was right,
676
00:28:04,642 --> 00:28:08,187
and as a result,
ultimately, left the show.
677
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:10,148
[announcer] Steven was
first played by Al Corley,
678
00:28:10,148 --> 00:28:12,024
but when the actor complained
about the show,
679
00:28:12,024 --> 00:28:14,569
he was killed off, then
brought back by Jack Coleman.
680
00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:16,237
Good evening, Ben.
681
00:28:16,237 --> 00:28:19,073
You are trying to visualize
what you will look like?
682
00:28:19,073 --> 00:28:22,577
I was on the phone
with my mother,
683
00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:24,746
and all of a sudden,
684
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:27,290
the operator came in, said,
685
00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:31,294
"We have an emergency phone call
from Howard Goldberg, my agent,"
686
00:28:31,294 --> 00:28:32,962
and he said,
"You got it."
687
00:28:38,384 --> 00:28:42,388
He was on that unfortunate rig
in the China Sea
688
00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:43,681
where there's the explosion,
689
00:28:43,681 --> 00:28:46,642
and Steven went from Al to me.
690
00:28:46,642 --> 00:28:48,019
Are you ready
for a look?
691
00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:52,148
Thank you, Dr. Chen,
692
00:28:52,148 --> 00:28:54,692
for giving me a face
I'll be able to live with.
693
00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:58,070
As you do,
you survive an oil rig fire,
694
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:59,989
and you come back
with a new face.
695
00:28:59,989 --> 00:29:02,366
The immaculate surgery,
696
00:29:02,366 --> 00:29:05,119
and facial reconstruction
without a scar,
697
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,413
and perfectly coiffed hair,
I might add.
698
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:09,081
Steven!
699
00:29:10,124 --> 00:29:12,627
That was maybe one
of the most Dynasty things
700
00:29:12,627 --> 00:29:14,045
of all Dynasty things.
701
00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:16,297
You know,
I thought it was pretty silly,
702
00:29:16,297 --> 00:29:18,090
but under the circumstances,
703
00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:21,302
the character was popular
in certain areas,
704
00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:22,804
so they really
couldn't kill him off.
705
00:29:23,346 --> 00:29:25,640
What did end up happening
with Steven is he did end up
706
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,185
getting watered down,
and I can't imagine
707
00:29:29,185 --> 00:29:31,437
that it was not the case
that the timing
708
00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:34,023
of the HIV-AIDS epidemic
had a lot to do with it.
709
00:29:34,023 --> 00:29:36,567
A mystery disease
known as "The Gay Plague"
710
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,194
has become an epidemic
unprecedented
711
00:29:38,194 --> 00:29:40,404
in the history
of American medicine.
712
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:42,990
The first reports I ever saw,
and I think that ever aired,
713
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:44,909
about something that was
then called GRID,
714
00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:47,870
gay-related immunodeficiency,
were in 1981.
715
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:49,539
[announcer]
When AIDS was first discovered
716
00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:50,998
more than two years ago,
717
00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:53,668
it was sometimes called
"The Gay Plague".
718
00:29:53,668 --> 00:29:57,046
That's because virtually all of
the victims were homosexual.
719
00:29:57,046 --> 00:29:59,090
GRID became named HIV-AIDS.
720
00:29:59,090 --> 00:30:00,716
[reporter]
It appeared a year ago
721
00:30:00,716 --> 00:30:02,510
in New York's gay community.
722
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:04,971
[Jim] Suddenly,
gay sex was dangerous.
723
00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:07,765
Gay romance
led to something dangerous,
724
00:30:07,765 --> 00:30:10,351
and we had to pull back,
we were all afraid.
725
00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:12,645
[announcer]
70% of its victims are gay men.
726
00:30:12,645 --> 00:30:14,313
[announcer 2] The deadly disease
has been mostly striking
727
00:30:14,313 --> 00:30:15,940
homosexual men.
728
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,526
Thousands of people
in this country have AIDS.
729
00:30:18,526 --> 00:30:21,946
This is not a political issue,
this is a health issue.
730
00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:24,490
This is not a gay issue,
this is a human issue.
731
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,618
The irony is that Dynasty
would eventually be at the heart
732
00:30:27,618 --> 00:30:30,955
of that controversy of HIV-AIDS
with its Rock Hudson storyline.
733
00:30:32,081 --> 00:30:34,250
Rock Hudson
was cast on the show,
734
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:37,086
and it was
in the middle of AIDS.
735
00:30:37,086 --> 00:30:38,629
I have a rule.
736
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,007
I never go after anything
that can't be taken.
737
00:30:41,883 --> 00:30:44,302
Does that rule hold
only for companies,
738
00:30:44,302 --> 00:30:46,846
or does it apply to wives
as well?
739
00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,224
Rock came on the set,
and first of all,
740
00:30:50,224 --> 00:30:52,268
I was thrilled to be working
with him.
741
00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:54,604
He was sick at the time,
742
00:30:54,604 --> 00:30:57,356
and I felt very bad.
743
00:30:57,356 --> 00:30:58,816
He was very thin.
744
00:30:58,816 --> 00:31:01,694
We certainly knew early on
in the show
745
00:31:01,694 --> 00:31:03,696
that something was not right
with him,
746
00:31:03,696 --> 00:31:06,949
and he was very weak
and very gaunt and pale.
747
00:31:07,658 --> 00:31:09,201
[Michael]
In Dynasty, there were scenes
748
00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:10,703
where Rock Hudson's character
749
00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:13,706
kisses Krystle,
Linda Evans' character.
750
00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:17,043
I don't think Rock Hudson
had come out as gay
751
00:31:17,043 --> 00:31:19,045
or that he had AIDS
at the time.
752
00:31:19,837 --> 00:31:23,257
Mr. Rock Hudson
had acquired
753
00:31:23,257 --> 00:31:27,136
immune deficiency syndrome,
754
00:31:27,136 --> 00:31:31,307
which was diagnosed
over a year ago.
755
00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:35,353
We were told by
a lot of medical people
756
00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:39,440
that AIDS could be transmitted
that way by kissing,
757
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,485
and I was just so scared
for Linda.
758
00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:45,696
When it came out
that Rock Hudson, you know,
759
00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:49,367
had AIDS and that he had kissed
Linda Evans on Dynasty...
760
00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:54,455
I think everybody wondered
why he would do that.
761
00:32:02,463 --> 00:32:05,424
In those days,
no one knew a damn thing
762
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:07,385
about AIDS,
and it was panic time.
763
00:32:07,385 --> 00:32:10,179
I don't sense a feeling of panic
on the soundstage,
764
00:32:10,179 --> 00:32:12,223
but I think
it's very frightening
765
00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:13,808
how people are taking this.
766
00:32:13,808 --> 00:32:15,810
The way she handled it
in the press was
767
00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:17,937
the way she handled it
in private,
768
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:19,647
and she just said,
"I'm not worried about that."
769
00:32:19,647 --> 00:32:21,774
Linda Evans was an enormously
good sport about it.
770
00:32:21,774 --> 00:32:23,234
She took his side.
771
00:32:23,234 --> 00:32:25,695
I think
she was incredibly courageous
772
00:32:25,695 --> 00:32:28,447
in showing the world how to be--
I'm tearing up,
773
00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,658
in how to be gracious
about this disease
774
00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:34,412
and not be freaked out
and not blame or stigmatize
775
00:32:34,412 --> 00:32:36,163
someone who had
the disease.
776
00:32:36,163 --> 00:32:38,124
[announcer] As for Rock,
his role on Dynasty
777
00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:40,084
would prove to be his last.
778
00:32:40,084 --> 00:32:42,628
He returned home from Paris,
and in a matter of weeks,
779
00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:46,465
the one-time robust and powerful
screen legend was gone.
780
00:32:46,465 --> 00:32:51,303
I just recently realized
that he died
781
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:54,348
the same year that
he was working on our show.
782
00:32:54,348 --> 00:32:56,267
I think
it was really important.
783
00:32:56,267 --> 00:32:59,645
We were hobnobbing
with high-ranking members
784
00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,397
of the Republican Party
in a way that...
785
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:05,860
you know,
it couldn't be ignored.
786
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:09,196
You know, Ronald Reagan
didn't mention the word AIDS
787
00:33:09,196 --> 00:33:12,074
until I think year seven
of his eight years in office.
788
00:33:12,074 --> 00:33:16,037
We will, I will, do all that
God gives us the power to do
789
00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:18,289
to find a cure for AIDS.
790
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:22,293
In a way, it actually educated
the public a little bit more
791
00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:25,046
and brought this conversation
to the forefront
792
00:33:25,046 --> 00:33:27,548
as people were just learning
what it meant to
793
00:33:27,548 --> 00:33:31,552
both be HIV-positive and
also be contracted with AIDS.
794
00:33:31,552 --> 00:33:35,639
I'm very proud of the work
that Dynasty accidentally did
795
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,391
on the HIV-AIDS front.
796
00:33:37,391 --> 00:33:40,478
I'm worried about you being out
in that kind of a world.
797
00:33:41,395 --> 00:33:42,897
You are
talking about AIDS, right?
798
00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:45,524
I'm talking about a disease
that kills.
799
00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:48,569
Dad, I'm as aware
of the problem as you are.
800
00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:51,530
Dynasty stayed on top
for as many years as it did
801
00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:53,574
by being bigger, bolder,
brasher.
802
00:33:53,574 --> 00:33:56,744
[dramatic tone playing]
803
00:33:56,744 --> 00:33:58,079
Oh, my God!
804
00:33:59,288 --> 00:34:01,373
It was strange,
it was almost like
805
00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:04,210
as it started climbing
into this great success,
806
00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:06,670
it became a campy version
of itself.
807
00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:09,006
So, a storyline
that might have played out
808
00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:11,175
in season one,
is going to be amped up
809
00:34:11,175 --> 00:34:13,219
if you're doing anything like it
in season six.
810
00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:14,762
I knew her.
811
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:19,308
It was totally over the top,
and it knew it.
812
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,896
Earnest
in its over-the-top-ness.
813
00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:24,980
Bitch!
814
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,818
My favourite example
of this,
815
00:34:28,818 --> 00:34:30,486
I think it was called
"The Royal Wedding".
816
00:34:30,486 --> 00:34:33,155
Sun will shine
on a happy bride after all.
817
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:38,202
Amanda Carrington, brilliantly
played by Catherine Oxenberg,
818
00:34:38,202 --> 00:34:41,038
she's getting married
to the Prince of Moldavia.
819
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:45,793
There is apparently unrest
in the kingdom,
820
00:34:45,793 --> 00:34:49,130
and there are terrorists who
want to take down the monarchy,
821
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:52,758
and what better place to do that
but at Amanda's wedding?
822
00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:56,262
-I thee wed.
-Let us pray in peace.
823
00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:58,222
[gunshots booming]
824
00:34:58,222 --> 00:34:59,849
-[guests screaming]
-Protect the King!
825
00:34:59,849 --> 00:35:01,350
Amanda!
826
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,395
[indistinct]
827
00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:07,231
"Who Shot J.R." had been done
five years earlier
828
00:35:07,231 --> 00:35:08,691
and was celebrated
829
00:35:08,691 --> 00:35:11,152
as one of the great stunts
of all time.
830
00:35:11,152 --> 00:35:14,238
[gunshots booming]
831
00:35:19,243 --> 00:35:21,745
So "Who Shot J.R." had been
a brilliant moment
832
00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,622
in American television.
833
00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:25,082
[gunshots booming]
834
00:35:25,082 --> 00:35:27,251
Dynasty, we'll top that.
835
00:35:27,251 --> 00:35:28,836
We're going to end
the season
836
00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:32,131
with who shot
the entire cast of Dynasty.
837
00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:34,133
Take that, Dallas.
838
00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:36,677
There is
almost a pyramid-like
839
00:35:36,677 --> 00:35:38,429
pile of carnage.
840
00:35:38,429 --> 00:35:40,264
And of course,
the next season,
841
00:35:40,264 --> 00:35:42,474
most of them get up
and do one of these things.
842
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:44,560
No, my wife and my family
are in there.
843
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,686
I've got to get in there.
844
00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:48,564
So, lazy, pulling fast one,
845
00:35:48,564 --> 00:35:52,234
cheating, all horrible things
they do to the audience.
846
00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:55,362
But it was so much
fun while it lasted.
847
00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:59,074
The scripts on Dynasty,
generally speaking,
848
00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:00,951
left something to be desired.
849
00:36:00,951 --> 00:36:03,829
Like, Moldavia?
Where is Aaron Spelling?
850
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:08,584
He's this wonderful producer,
and he let all this crap happen?
851
00:36:08,584 --> 00:36:11,795
A friend of mine
who was an associate producer
852
00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:15,299
wasn't allowed to say it,
but she told me.
853
00:36:15,299 --> 00:36:17,092
At the writers' meeting,
854
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:19,136
Esther
and her husband Richard Shapiro,
855
00:36:19,136 --> 00:36:21,847
who invented the show,
writers' meeting,
856
00:36:21,847 --> 00:36:23,224
Esther shows up.
857
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:25,726
"First person
who laughs is fired.
858
00:36:25,726 --> 00:36:28,354
'Richard has had a vision.
859
00:36:28,354 --> 00:36:29,813
"Aliens."
860
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:33,275
[cosmic tone playing]
861
00:36:33,275 --> 00:36:34,526
Aliens!
862
00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:36,654
[Gordon]
What a load of [bleep].
863
00:36:36,654 --> 00:36:39,365
Pardon me, pure [bleep].
864
00:36:39,365 --> 00:36:41,533
The idea was ludicrous
and laughable.
865
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,827
I was going crazy
with some of those scripts
866
00:36:43,827 --> 00:36:45,079
and with
some of those plot lines.
867
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:46,538
I just thought
they were awful.
868
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:48,499
When we got into aliens,
869
00:36:48,499 --> 00:36:50,709
that felt
pretty sharky-jumpy.
870
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,087
-It destroyed the show.
-It had competition, too.
871
00:36:53,087 --> 00:36:56,048
Other shows, of course, newer,
shinier shows came around.
872
00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:00,886
I remember
873
00:37:00,886 --> 00:37:03,514
approaching the set
874
00:37:03,514 --> 00:37:05,015
for some reason
with Aaron,
875
00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:07,393
and he said,
"Well, we're still alive."
876
00:37:07,393 --> 00:37:09,895
I said, "Okay,
I didn't realize we're dying."
877
00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:11,772
I think two weeks later,
we were canceled.
878
00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:14,108
[Alexis screaming]
879
00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:15,818
[gunshots booming]
880
00:37:17,528 --> 00:37:18,737
Blake!
881
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:25,869
Blake.
882
00:37:25,869 --> 00:37:28,038
Joan Collins was pushed
off a balcony,
883
00:37:28,038 --> 00:37:31,333
Linda Evans was in a coma,
and John Forsythe was shot.
884
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,085
When the show
was abruptly canceled,
885
00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:34,795
angry fans demanded
to know
886
00:37:34,795 --> 00:37:36,338
what happened
to their characters.
887
00:37:36,338 --> 00:37:38,716
I thought it was very unfair
to end the series
888
00:37:38,716 --> 00:37:40,926
with fans,
everybody up in the air.
889
00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:42,928
It would be nice
to end it
890
00:37:42,928 --> 00:37:46,557
with some definitive thing,
891
00:37:46,557 --> 00:37:48,434
to know what happened
to the people,
892
00:37:48,434 --> 00:37:50,311
and to do it with
some kind of dignity.
893
00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:53,856
The ninth season of Dynasty
ended up being the last.
894
00:37:53,856 --> 00:37:55,691
They didn't know that,
so there were still
895
00:37:55,691 --> 00:37:58,402
a lot of loose threads
when the show ended
896
00:37:58,402 --> 00:38:00,154
that eventually
would be resolved
897
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:02,531
when they did
a reunion miniseries later on.
898
00:38:02,531 --> 00:38:05,034
[announcer] Yes, it's true,
the family you love to watch
899
00:38:05,034 --> 00:38:06,785
stab each other in the back
is back.
900
00:38:06,785 --> 00:38:08,787
They felt they owed it
to the fans
901
00:38:08,787 --> 00:38:10,831
who had watched Dynasty
throughout the years.
902
00:38:10,831 --> 00:38:14,001
It all eventually got resolved
in that reunion special,
903
00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:17,546
which wrapped it up
in a nice bow around a package.
904
00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:23,010
-Hi, Dad.
-Hello, son.
905
00:38:23,677 --> 00:38:24,928
Alexis?
906
00:38:27,014 --> 00:38:28,849
Oh, my God.
907
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:31,143
Isn't it interesting
that Dynasty stayed on top
908
00:38:31,143 --> 00:38:34,855
for almost exactly the length of
the Reagan administration?
909
00:38:36,482 --> 00:38:39,610
It started in 1981
with the inauguration month,
910
00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:41,362
and it ended in 1989.
911
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,031
The '90s
were about to dawn.
912
00:38:44,031 --> 00:38:47,034
I, George Herbert
Walker Bush,
913
00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:48,452
do solemnly swear.
914
00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:50,162
Maybe we shouldn't be
about greed,
915
00:38:50,162 --> 00:38:53,290
and we shouldn't be
about eating cake for dinner.
916
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:54,792
[Al]
I look back on it now,
917
00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:56,919
you know, it was
a kind of a cultural thing.
918
00:38:56,919 --> 00:38:58,712
It was a kind of product
of the time.
919
00:38:58,712 --> 00:39:00,839
It was a good show
for what it was.
920
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:02,549
Richard and Esther Shapiro
921
00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:04,718
made an attempt
to break some ground,
922
00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:06,220
and I think they did.
923
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:10,015
So, I'm really proud
of that part of it.
924
00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:11,558
It was so intense.
925
00:39:11,558 --> 00:39:14,353
Those nine years
were so amazing.
926
00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:16,271
I wouldn't have given them up
for anything in the world.
927
00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:18,899
It was an extraordinary
thing to experience.
928
00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:23,445
Dynasty has become
somewhat iconic,
929
00:39:23,445 --> 00:39:26,198
and I think I'd quite like
to be remembered
930
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:29,326
for having given
a lot of people
931
00:39:29,326 --> 00:39:31,703
a lot of pleasure and laughs.
932
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:35,999
It did not take anything
that seriously,
933
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:38,710
and I think that's why people
watch television
934
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:41,547
then and now,
is to escape.
935
00:39:41,547 --> 00:39:43,757
Total escapism,
936
00:39:43,757 --> 00:39:46,552
and also
the American dream.
937
00:39:46,552 --> 00:39:49,680
Come to America,
and you can be a billionaire.
938
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,433
The legacy of Dynasty for me,
939
00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:54,017
obviously, is the fashion.
940
00:39:54,017 --> 00:39:56,687
I wish Nolan
could be here today,
941
00:39:56,687 --> 00:39:58,772
because he would be
so proud.
942
00:39:58,772 --> 00:40:01,733
Having dressed Elizabeth Taylor,
Sophia Loren,
943
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:04,153
Joan Collins,
is why over time
944
00:40:04,153 --> 00:40:06,947
Julia Roberts,
Angelina Jolie, Beyoncé,
945
00:40:06,947 --> 00:40:09,283
everybody would come to me,
because I was there.
946
00:40:09,283 --> 00:40:11,869
And I owe that to Nolan,
I owe that to Dynasty,
947
00:40:11,869 --> 00:40:14,455
I owe it to Aaron Spelling,
Joan Collins,
948
00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:16,457
I owe it to everybody.
949
00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:18,584
[Derrik]
When you think about history,
950
00:40:18,584 --> 00:40:20,377
there are
lots of dynasties,
951
00:40:20,377 --> 00:40:22,129
that's where the name
comes from.
952
00:40:22,129 --> 00:40:24,339
Like, look at the Kardashians.
953
00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:27,634
They basically are another
version of the Carringtons.
954
00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:31,138
Super successful,
super well-known, rich,
955
00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:33,056
and don't really care
what anybody thinks about them.
956
00:40:33,056 --> 00:40:35,517
Being surrounded
by opulence,
957
00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:38,854
and a dirty martini in
a crystal glass,
958
00:40:38,854 --> 00:40:41,315
and fabulous [bleep] everywhere.
959
00:40:41,315 --> 00:40:44,485
That is definitely leftover
from Dynasty.
960
00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,528
Dynasty made it okay
to flaunt your wealth,
961
00:40:46,528 --> 00:40:48,155
made the people
who weren't wealthy think
962
00:40:48,155 --> 00:40:50,491
that's what wealthy people do
and should do.
963
00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:53,076
You literally--
I will literally [bleep] you up.
964
00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:57,122
The idea of the cat fight,
the claws out.
965
00:40:57,122 --> 00:41:01,084
-I asked you something.
-Well, here's your answer.
966
00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:02,753
[both screaming]
967
00:41:02,753 --> 00:41:04,171
I worked
with all the Kardashians,
968
00:41:04,171 --> 00:41:05,964
they love Dynasty.
969
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,217
Kris Jenner lived for Dynasty.
970
00:41:08,217 --> 00:41:11,637
So, you can see that
when you look at
971
00:41:11,637 --> 00:41:13,472
them dressing today
972
00:41:13,472 --> 00:41:15,140
to what was happening
on Dynasty,
973
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:16,892
it's pretty parallel.
974
00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:20,437
Succession probably owes
a little tip of the hat
975
00:41:20,437 --> 00:41:23,065
to the rich,
miserable people.
976
00:41:23,065 --> 00:41:24,608
Money wins.
977
00:41:24,608 --> 00:41:27,986
[Pamela] Every decade has had
its TV shows
978
00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:29,947
about how messed up
rich people are.
979
00:41:29,947 --> 00:41:32,366
And people love that,
they love that.
980
00:41:32,366 --> 00:41:34,660
Because let's face it, there's
only this many rich people
981
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:37,037
and everybody else
is in this group.
982
00:41:37,037 --> 00:41:39,456
[Michael] I think
Dynasty's greatest legacy is
983
00:41:39,456 --> 00:41:42,167
when you think the '80s,
you think Dynasty.
984
00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:45,337
This was a show
that was pure Reaganomics.
985
00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:46,922
It was pure greed.
986
00:41:46,922 --> 00:41:49,466
It was pure go-go,
greed is good,
987
00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:51,969
early '80s nonsense
988
00:41:51,969 --> 00:41:54,221
that definitely
doesn't hold up today.
989
00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:58,725
But it's--
it's a fun snapshot
990
00:41:58,725 --> 00:42:01,395
of an era
that's now long past.
991
00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:06,233
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