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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,376 --> 00:00:22,275 As a journalist, you are consumed by two questions constantly: 2 00:00:22,375 --> 00:00:25,554 how to tell a story, but perhaps more crucially, 3 00:00:25,654 --> 00:00:27,654 why to tell a story. 4 00:00:28,853 --> 00:00:30,873 Imagine a country. 5 00:00:30,973 --> 00:00:32,973 Nice weather. Let's give it nice weather. 6 00:00:33,453 --> 00:00:35,452 Nice weather for England, anyway. 7 00:00:36,132 --> 00:00:38,152 Imagine the people in this country 8 00:00:38,252 --> 00:00:41,351 believe they are living in a democracy. 9 00:00:41,451 --> 00:00:44,070 Believe in their own freedom. 10 00:00:44,170 --> 00:00:47,510 But they are being abused by a power so everyday 11 00:00:47,610 --> 00:00:49,549 they don't know to look for it. 12 00:00:49,649 --> 00:00:53,548 A treacherous combination of press, the police, and politicians, 13 00:00:53,648 --> 00:00:55,648 that hide in plain sight. 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,239 Imagine a country where that concealment was... 15 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:02,339 Imagine a country where... 16 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:04,618 where the news organisations... 17 00:01:04,718 --> 00:01:06,258 Shit! 18 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:08,577 Imagine it all deleted. 19 00:01:08,677 --> 00:01:10,677 Florid nonsense. 20 00:01:12,996 --> 00:01:15,456 My name is Nick Davies. 21 00:01:15,556 --> 00:01:17,175 I am a journalist, 22 00:01:17,275 --> 00:01:21,055 and this is a story that ends in seven major police investigations, 23 00:01:21,155 --> 00:01:23,254 nearly 40 convictions, 24 00:01:23,354 --> 00:01:25,734 and some of the most powerful people in this country 25 00:01:25,834 --> 00:01:27,173 being brought to their knees. 26 00:01:27,273 --> 00:01:29,873 Too grand, too grand, too grand. 27 00:01:34,712 --> 00:01:37,171 My name is Nick Davies. 28 00:01:37,271 --> 00:01:38,411 I'm a journalist. 29 00:01:38,511 --> 00:01:40,331 Good morning. I'll just check in. 30 00:01:40,431 --> 00:01:42,450 This all started with Stuart Kuttner. 31 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:43,490 Hello. 32 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:45,590 No. 33 00:01:51,988 --> 00:01:55,168 This is the most troubling story I've ever written. 34 00:01:55,268 --> 00:02:00,087 A story about the abuse of power and the concealment of truth. 35 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:02,726 Hi. Nick Davies for the Today programme. 36 00:02:02,826 --> 00:02:04,826 I'm late. 37 00:02:12,384 --> 00:02:15,563 British journalism is sloppy and morally bankrupt. 38 00:02:15,663 --> 00:02:19,043 That is the claim of the journalist Nick Davies, who's written a book 39 00:02:19,143 --> 00:02:22,122 that shows how often newspapers use illegal methods 40 00:02:22,222 --> 00:02:23,482 for getting their stories. 41 00:02:23,582 --> 00:02:27,241 It's called Flat Earth News, and Nick Davies joins us now. 42 00:02:27,341 --> 00:02:28,841 - Good morning. - Hi. 43 00:02:28,941 --> 00:02:32,960 You say "sloppy" because newspapers use press releases 44 00:02:33,060 --> 00:02:34,639 rather than getting their own stories 45 00:02:34,739 --> 00:02:38,479 and "morally bankrupt" because of the illegality involved. 46 00:02:38,579 --> 00:02:41,918 Really, the root that binds together all the different themes 47 00:02:42,018 --> 00:02:43,718 is that the logic of journalism 48 00:02:43,818 --> 00:02:46,877 has been overwhelmed by the logic of commercialism. 49 00:02:46,977 --> 00:02:49,276 Journalists no longer have the time or the resources 50 00:02:49,376 --> 00:02:50,316 to do their jobs properly. 51 00:02:50,416 --> 00:02:52,636 Instead, they're just passive processors 52 00:02:52,736 --> 00:02:55,035 of unchecked, second-hand material. 53 00:02:55,135 --> 00:02:57,835 Okay, but you... You also... You go much further in suggesting that 54 00:02:57,935 --> 00:03:00,714 - there has been criminality involved. - Sure. 55 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:03,313 And that's generally accepted within the press. 56 00:03:03,413 --> 00:03:06,593 Okay. So, principally, that involves hiring private investigators. 57 00:03:06,693 --> 00:03:09,592 They hire private investigators to get your bank statements, 58 00:03:09,692 --> 00:03:12,552 your credit card statements, your itemised phone bills, 59 00:03:12,652 --> 00:03:13,711 your tax records, 60 00:03:13,811 --> 00:03:15,791 even your health records these creatures are getting. 61 00:03:15,891 --> 00:03:16,831 All of that is illegal. 62 00:03:16,931 --> 00:03:18,630 Okay. We're joined by John Mullin, 63 00:03:18,730 --> 00:03:20,950 who is the editor of The Independent on Sunday, 64 00:03:21,050 --> 00:03:22,230 and Stuart Kuttner, 65 00:03:22,330 --> 00:03:24,389 who's managing editor of News of the World. 66 00:03:24,489 --> 00:03:27,428 John Mullin, do you recognise this? 67 00:03:27,528 --> 00:03:31,348 Well, I ploughed my way through the first half of the book, 68 00:03:31,448 --> 00:03:33,507 not the second half so far, 69 00:03:33,607 --> 00:03:36,147 and no one can deny that life in journalism 70 00:03:36,247 --> 00:03:39,866 is much harder than maybe it was 20, 30 years ago. 71 00:03:39,966 --> 00:03:45,065 But to say that journalism as a whole is a passive processor of news? 72 00:03:45,165 --> 00:03:47,624 - I think that's erroneous. - Stuart Kuttner? 73 00:03:47,724 --> 00:03:49,704 Yes, I'll tell you what I think. 74 00:03:49,804 --> 00:03:53,583 I think, frankly, listening to Nick Davies, 75 00:03:53,683 --> 00:03:57,182 I thought he was speaking from a newsroom on another planet. 76 00:03:57,282 --> 00:04:00,022 It is totally unrecognisable to me. 77 00:04:00,122 --> 00:04:03,021 Many years in newspapers in Fleet Street. 78 00:04:03,121 --> 00:04:05,101 Now, of course, at the News of the World. 79 00:04:05,201 --> 00:04:07,600 But what did he say that was so wrong? 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,699 Well, he talks about, if you like, shortcuts, PR interests, 81 00:04:13,799 --> 00:04:14,939 commercial interest. 82 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:18,298 I have to tell you, none of my News of the World journalists 83 00:04:18,398 --> 00:04:20,178 would recognise that at all. 84 00:04:20,278 --> 00:04:22,617 But what about the way these people get the stories 85 00:04:22,717 --> 00:04:25,856 and access to personal information? 86 00:04:25,956 --> 00:04:29,816 Well, if it happens, it... it shouldn't happen. 87 00:04:29,916 --> 00:04:32,255 It happened once at the News of the World. 88 00:04:32,355 --> 00:04:33,895 The reporter was fired, 89 00:04:33,995 --> 00:04:36,854 he went to prison, the editor resigned. 90 00:04:36,954 --> 00:04:39,454 And while Nick is talking about all this, 91 00:04:39,554 --> 00:04:43,253 I notice he doesn't mention The Guardian's own act of criminality 92 00:04:43,353 --> 00:04:45,212 when The Guardian forged 93 00:04:45,312 --> 00:04:47,172 the signature of a cabinet minister... 94 00:04:47,272 --> 00:04:49,331 Okay, I-I-I don't want to go into details of the story. 95 00:04:49,431 --> 00:04:50,491 I think the charge that Nick Davies... 96 00:04:50,591 --> 00:04:52,371 Sarah, you may not want to go into detail, 97 00:04:52,471 --> 00:04:56,610 but Nick makes a broad-brush, sweeping attack on our profession, 98 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:59,529 which I happen to believe is an honourable profession. 99 00:05:07,028 --> 00:05:07,968 Hello, Mr... 100 00:05:14,586 --> 00:05:15,526 You hear it? 101 00:05:15,626 --> 00:05:17,126 I wish I hadn't. 102 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:20,325 You're too kind. 103 00:05:20,425 --> 00:05:23,764 I did say, appearing on the Today programme to attack journalism 104 00:05:23,864 --> 00:05:25,964 wasn't exactly the most sensible idea. 105 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:28,283 Listen, before I go home, I wanted to talk to you about something. 106 00:05:28,383 --> 00:05:30,843 Good thing was, you weren't representing The Guardian. 107 00:05:30,943 --> 00:05:33,162 You were talking about your book. 108 00:05:33,262 --> 00:05:34,442 My book. 109 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:37,721 Although, Kuttner did have a good go at trying to besmirch us through you. 110 00:05:37,821 --> 00:05:39,961 I want out. 111 00:05:40,061 --> 00:05:44,080 Do you know anything about baking competitions? 112 00:05:44,180 --> 00:05:45,120 No. 113 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:48,379 I want to know how many people cheat at baking competitions. 114 00:05:49,379 --> 00:05:50,319 A round number. 115 00:05:50,419 --> 00:05:53,438 Sounds like exactly the sort of thing the Guardian should be investigating. 116 00:05:53,538 --> 00:05:54,918 I don't mean out altogether. 117 00:05:55,018 --> 00:05:56,278 I'd like to go to Brussels, 118 00:05:56,378 --> 00:05:58,357 investigate a whole new horizon, something well paid. 119 00:05:58,457 --> 00:05:59,957 - Naturally. - That will allow me to commute. 120 00:06:00,057 --> 00:06:01,796 The kids are old enough now to be able to... 121 00:06:01,896 --> 00:06:03,896 I need you here. 122 00:06:06,895 --> 00:06:08,835 Sadiq Khan. Bugged. 123 00:06:08,935 --> 00:06:10,675 Forty-year convention breached. 124 00:06:10,775 --> 00:06:13,394 And why? Keep the Americans happy. 125 00:06:13,494 --> 00:06:15,074 Needs a good journalist. 126 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:16,753 Alan, I'm knackered. Nobody likes me. I know. 127 00:06:16,853 --> 00:06:20,533 Oh, come on. I like you... some of the time. 128 00:06:21,772 --> 00:06:24,112 And I'm sure there are a few others who-who also... 129 00:06:24,212 --> 00:06:25,871 Please. 130 00:06:25,971 --> 00:06:29,711 Self-pity is not a redeeming quality. We'll talk tomorrow. 131 00:06:29,811 --> 00:06:33,270 I'm freelance precisely so that I don't need to talk to you tomorrow. 132 00:06:33,370 --> 00:06:36,669 You're freelance with more or less a sole employer. 133 00:06:36,769 --> 00:06:38,869 I say you should talk to me tomorrow. 134 00:06:38,969 --> 00:06:40,308 Hmm? 135 00:06:40,408 --> 00:06:41,988 We've all been roasted by Stuart bloody Kuttner. 136 00:06:42,088 --> 00:06:44,088 Bye. 137 00:06:50,486 --> 00:06:53,426 Let me explain. Alan is, um... 138 00:06:53,526 --> 00:06:56,265 Well, we grew up together. In journalism, that is. 139 00:06:56,365 --> 00:06:58,665 And he's always understood... Sorry. 140 00:06:58,765 --> 00:07:01,184 - Yep. - Nick Davies? 141 00:07:01,284 --> 00:07:02,384 Who's this? 142 00:07:02,484 --> 00:07:03,504 My name is... 143 00:07:03,604 --> 00:07:05,783 Redacted, sorry. 144 00:07:05,883 --> 00:07:07,783 We'll call him Mr Apollo, because... 145 00:07:07,883 --> 00:07:10,622 Um, well, actually, because he's... 146 00:07:10,722 --> 00:07:12,302 It-It doesn't matter. 147 00:07:12,402 --> 00:07:13,981 How did you get this number? 148 00:07:14,081 --> 00:07:16,061 Listen, Kuttner made a mistake. 149 00:07:16,161 --> 00:07:17,101 Well, I made several. 150 00:07:17,201 --> 00:07:19,980 Chief amongst them appearing on the Today programme. 151 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,940 He said it happened once. 152 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,260 It happened once. 153 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,259 It happened once at the News of the World. 154 00:07:25,359 --> 00:07:27,019 The reporter was fired, 155 00:07:27,119 --> 00:07:29,938 he went to prison, the editor resigned. 156 00:07:30,038 --> 00:07:32,258 You're talking about phone hacking. 157 00:07:32,358 --> 00:07:34,817 Nick, your book only scratched the surface. 158 00:07:34,917 --> 00:07:39,176 We have to meet face to face, somewhere absolutely discreet. 159 00:07:39,276 --> 00:07:41,176 I think you'll like what I have. 160 00:07:41,276 --> 00:07:43,295 Where and when? 161 00:07:43,395 --> 00:07:45,415 In the beginning, it was next to nothing. 162 00:07:45,515 --> 00:07:49,014 Two men were arrested for hacking phones in 2006: 163 00:07:49,114 --> 00:07:51,094 a private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire... 164 00:07:51,194 --> 00:07:54,453 And the royal editor of the News of the World, Clive Goodman. 165 00:07:54,553 --> 00:07:58,092 The sentences they received were short. 166 00:07:58,192 --> 00:08:00,272 The attention they got, limited. But the crime was unusual. 167 00:08:01,392 --> 00:08:06,011 They had discovered they could access other people's voicemail messages, 168 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:10,410 and they spent months eavesdropping on three of Prince William's staff 169 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:11,929 at Clarence House. 170 00:08:12,029 --> 00:08:14,009 How? They didn't say. 171 00:08:14,109 --> 00:08:18,188 Why? For the discovery of private information. 172 00:08:20,708 --> 00:08:23,067 It was the start of the next six years of my life. 173 00:08:37,704 --> 00:08:41,283 To be clear, I've never told anyone who Mr Apollo is. 174 00:08:41,383 --> 00:08:43,383 So some guesses have been made. 175 00:08:46,022 --> 00:08:48,022 Bad guess. 176 00:08:52,821 --> 00:08:54,721 No. 177 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:00,059 No. I'm sorry. It's not you. 178 00:09:01,499 --> 00:09:03,499 Okay. 179 00:09:04,339 --> 00:09:06,338 Oh, come on. 180 00:09:12,457 --> 00:09:13,757 Hi. 181 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:17,056 - You coming in, or...? - Sure. 182 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:22,715 Wow, this is nice. 183 00:09:25,574 --> 00:09:27,574 Nice choice of room. 184 00:09:28,774 --> 00:09:30,113 Just to check. Is The Guardian paying? 185 00:09:30,213 --> 00:09:33,433 Because if so, I'd implore you to stay away from that mini bar. 186 00:09:33,533 --> 00:09:35,272 Mulcaire, in the trial, 187 00:09:35,372 --> 00:09:37,712 - he said he'd hacked other... - Five non-royals. 188 00:09:37,812 --> 00:09:43,890 I remember. Yes. Um, Elle Macpherson, Sky Andrew, Max Clifford... 189 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:46,670 He's a liar. 190 00:09:46,770 --> 00:09:50,089 Kuttner is a liar, and one of the five is suing them. 191 00:09:52,209 --> 00:09:54,208 Which one? 192 00:09:54,568 --> 00:09:56,608 Well, that five is just the tip of the iceberg. 193 00:09:58,287 --> 00:10:01,707 Hacking phones at the News of the World has been endemic. 194 00:10:01,807 --> 00:10:02,746 Endemic? 195 00:10:02,846 --> 00:10:05,026 Mm. 196 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:08,025 They pick up their leads by intercepting voicemails, 197 00:10:08,125 --> 00:10:11,065 and only then do they get photographs and quotes 198 00:10:11,165 --> 00:10:12,784 so as to lay a false trail. 199 00:10:12,884 --> 00:10:15,584 To pretend they found the story through legitimate means. 200 00:10:15,684 --> 00:10:17,683 They've hacked thousands. 201 00:10:18,083 --> 00:10:20,443 Here. Dial a number. 202 00:10:21,443 --> 00:10:23,442 Someone who's likely to not answer. 203 00:10:30,441 --> 00:10:31,780 This is Alan Rusbridger. Please leave... 204 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,540 That's your phone-a-friend? 205 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,640 The editor of The Guardian? 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,099 Press nine. 207 00:10:38,199 --> 00:10:39,459 Please enter your 4-digit PIN. 208 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,059 Now enter one, two, three, four. 209 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:42,538 That's the factory setting. 210 00:10:43,758 --> 00:10:45,698 Welcome to your voicemail. 211 00:10:45,798 --> 00:10:48,217 You have one new message. 212 00:10:48,317 --> 00:10:50,097 Alan, it's Mummy. 213 00:10:50,197 --> 00:10:51,456 I'm just calling about Jill Wyatt. 214 00:10:51,556 --> 00:10:53,816 She won best sponge again, and I'm sure she cheated... 215 00:10:53,916 --> 00:10:55,935 I don't wanna hear this. 216 00:10:56,035 --> 00:10:57,415 - It's that easy? - Mm. 217 00:10:57,515 --> 00:10:59,895 It doesn't even need a Glenn Mulcaire most of the time. 218 00:10:59,995 --> 00:11:01,934 And you're saying this was widespread? 219 00:11:02,034 --> 00:11:05,054 Glenn's main job was that when it got tricky, 220 00:11:05,154 --> 00:11:06,853 unlike with your Alan, 221 00:11:06,953 --> 00:11:08,653 was to blag the mobile phone companies 222 00:11:08,753 --> 00:11:10,612 into resetting the celebrities' PIN codes 223 00:11:10,712 --> 00:11:12,572 to their original factory setting. 224 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:14,132 One, two, three, four. 225 00:11:14,232 --> 00:11:16,451 That's Alan. 226 00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:18,811 - Please. - Who is this? 227 00:11:18,911 --> 00:11:20,410 Hi. Yeah, it's Nick. 228 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:22,850 Listen, change the voicemail settings on your phone. 229 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:24,490 And how do I do that? 230 00:11:24,590 --> 00:11:26,649 Ask a young person. I've got to go. Bye. 231 00:11:28,189 --> 00:11:29,129 Who is suing? 232 00:11:30,908 --> 00:11:34,128 The person who is, is currently trying to get Scotland Yard 233 00:11:34,228 --> 00:11:37,287 to hand over evidence they collected and did nothing with 234 00:11:37,387 --> 00:11:39,386 when they arrested Mulcaire. 235 00:11:40,226 --> 00:11:42,486 It's evidence that could... 236 00:11:42,586 --> 00:11:46,045 ...burn, fuck and destroy everything. Twice over. 237 00:11:46,145 --> 00:11:49,304 You won't tell me which one of the five it is, will you? 238 00:11:51,944 --> 00:11:53,563 I will tell you 239 00:11:53,663 --> 00:11:55,663 that you're missing two names. 240 00:11:56,063 --> 00:11:58,402 Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes. 241 00:11:58,502 --> 00:12:00,502 Will you go on the record? 242 00:12:02,902 --> 00:12:04,641 If you dig, it comes from you. 243 00:12:04,741 --> 00:12:08,500 I-I can... I can confirm things, but... 244 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:15,119 It's just another story of journos behaving badly. 245 00:12:15,219 --> 00:12:16,719 You're not interested. 246 00:12:16,819 --> 00:12:18,818 It's interesting, but... 247 00:12:19,178 --> 00:12:20,158 you should talk to someone else. 248 00:12:20,258 --> 00:12:21,918 Do you realise I could lose my job just by talking to you? 249 00:12:22,018 --> 00:12:23,517 Don't worry. This conversation never happened. 250 00:12:23,617 --> 00:12:25,837 No, no, no. That's not my point, Nick. 251 00:12:25,937 --> 00:12:28,576 You... Think. Think who edited the paper. 252 00:12:30,536 --> 00:12:32,535 Think about where he sits now. 253 00:12:34,655 --> 00:12:36,855 You're talking about Andy Coulson. 254 00:12:38,774 --> 00:12:40,774 Stop him. 255 00:12:41,534 --> 00:12:43,533 Shit. 256 00:12:47,532 --> 00:12:49,192 Mind the gap. 257 00:12:49,292 --> 00:12:51,072 Stand clear of the doors, please. 258 00:12:51,172 --> 00:12:53,951 Andy Coulson, a rapid ascent journalist. 259 00:12:54,051 --> 00:12:56,470 From a local reporter to Showbiz at The Sun, 260 00:12:56,570 --> 00:12:59,630 he was made editor of News of the World in 2003. 261 00:12:59,730 --> 00:13:03,469 Even after he resigned in 2007 over the original phone hacking case, 262 00:13:03,569 --> 00:13:04,589 it was seen as honourable, 263 00:13:04,689 --> 00:13:07,548 him carrying the can for the one rogue reporter. 264 00:13:07,648 --> 00:13:09,848 Not me really, guv. 265 00:13:11,127 --> 00:13:13,127 But if he was... If he is... 266 00:13:13,527 --> 00:13:15,506 If this is endemic, 267 00:13:15,606 --> 00:13:18,346 he's David Cameron's communications director. 268 00:13:18,446 --> 00:13:21,485 For him to be involved in widespread criminality... 269 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,844 No, no. Bad idea. 270 00:13:38,762 --> 00:13:39,741 I'm not late. 271 00:13:39,841 --> 00:13:41,781 It would be fine if you were to be a bit late. 272 00:13:41,881 --> 00:13:43,021 You don't need to be so worried. 273 00:13:43,121 --> 00:13:44,101 Are they ready? 274 00:13:44,201 --> 00:13:46,200 - Are they ever ready? - Kids? 275 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,140 You okay? 276 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,419 Kids? 277 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:52,059 - Yes, coming. - Ooh, you're anxious to go, then. 278 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:53,939 Sorry. How are you, et cetera? 279 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:56,178 I'm fine, et cetera. Are you all right? 280 00:13:56,278 --> 00:13:57,218 Never better. 281 00:13:57,318 --> 00:13:58,338 Really? 282 00:13:58,438 --> 00:13:59,497 I heard you on the radio. 283 00:13:59,597 --> 00:14:02,097 - Hmm. - That sort of performance help sales? 284 00:14:02,197 --> 00:14:04,196 - Oh, I would doubt it. - Mm. 285 00:14:05,556 --> 00:14:08,655 I'm, um... I am worried about... 286 00:14:08,755 --> 00:14:11,335 I'm not going to reveal my child's name. 287 00:14:11,435 --> 00:14:14,254 Let's call him... Beans. 288 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,654 He comes home, locks himself in his room. 289 00:14:16,754 --> 00:14:20,293 - I have tried to talk to him, but... - He avoids all questions. 290 00:14:20,393 --> 00:14:22,873 So, do we bring the school in? 291 00:14:25,512 --> 00:14:28,051 Let's get the details, make sure he wants the help. 292 00:14:28,151 --> 00:14:30,151 Oh, you sound like a journalist. 293 00:14:30,951 --> 00:14:32,950 Let me try. 294 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:37,350 Let me try. 295 00:14:38,589 --> 00:14:40,589 Okay. 296 00:14:53,906 --> 00:14:55,006 Got a new recipe. 297 00:14:55,106 --> 00:14:57,645 - Okay, Dad. - Stuffed tomato thing. 298 00:14:57,745 --> 00:14:58,805 Yeah, nice. Sounds good. 299 00:14:58,905 --> 00:15:00,565 I'll call you when it's ready. It's Turkish. 300 00:15:00,665 --> 00:15:02,484 - Yep. - So... 301 00:15:02,584 --> 00:15:04,584 I met someone today. 302 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:06,443 A source. 303 00:15:06,543 --> 00:15:09,843 He was pissed off with what Kuttner said on the radio. 304 00:15:09,943 --> 00:15:10,923 Okay. 305 00:15:11,023 --> 00:15:14,282 Hacking was "endemic", he said, at News of the World. 306 00:15:14,382 --> 00:15:16,201 And someone is now suing Scotland Yard 307 00:15:16,301 --> 00:15:18,121 for information on what was hacked. 308 00:15:18,221 --> 00:15:22,640 Now, I know... I know it's one of either Elle Macpherson, Simon Hughes, 309 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:25,160 Gordon Taylor, Sky Andrew, or Max Clifford. 310 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:26,359 But I don't know which one. 311 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:28,399 What do you think? 312 00:15:28,499 --> 00:15:30,159 Do I dig? 313 00:15:30,259 --> 00:15:33,078 Try to find out who it is? If I find them, it might... 314 00:15:33,178 --> 00:15:34,318 We might get some evidence 315 00:15:34,418 --> 00:15:36,957 that proves foul play was a bit more widespread. 316 00:15:37,057 --> 00:15:38,317 Imagine what it does to Andy Coulson. 317 00:15:38,417 --> 00:15:41,396 He's about to... He could soon have keys to 10 Downing Street. 318 00:15:41,496 --> 00:15:43,356 Did Cameron even do a fit-and-proper-person test on him? 319 00:15:43,456 --> 00:15:45,455 Did he even look into Coulson's past? 320 00:15:46,495 --> 00:15:51,314 It's a good angle, but another "tabloids behaving badly" story? 321 00:15:51,414 --> 00:15:53,554 I said the same thing. 322 00:15:53,654 --> 00:15:56,313 And who wants to kick a bee's nest? 323 00:15:56,413 --> 00:15:58,433 Murdoch, you know? 324 00:15:58,533 --> 00:16:00,352 This source. 325 00:16:00,452 --> 00:16:02,792 Has he got under your skin? 326 00:16:02,892 --> 00:16:06,531 No. I just wanted to talk it out with someone. You. 327 00:16:07,531 --> 00:16:11,830 Ah. Always grateful to be your sounding board. 328 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:13,930 Go home, Alan. 329 00:16:14,289 --> 00:16:15,669 Who says I'm in the office? 330 00:16:15,769 --> 00:16:18,089 We'll always have Brussels. Bye. 331 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:35,025 It's creepy when you do that. Stare at me like that. 332 00:16:35,125 --> 00:16:37,185 How are you? 333 00:16:37,285 --> 00:16:39,144 Why are you asking? 334 00:16:39,244 --> 00:16:41,104 If there ever is anything you need to discuss... 335 00:16:41,204 --> 00:16:43,203 Yes, Dad. I know. 336 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:07,458 I, um... I never much liked school. 337 00:17:07,558 --> 00:17:09,058 I'm not being bullied. 338 00:17:09,158 --> 00:17:10,858 I always saw school as a necessity... 339 00:17:10,958 --> 00:17:12,817 Why does everyone always think I'm being bullied? 340 00:17:12,917 --> 00:17:14,917 ...not a virtue. There was a guy... 341 00:17:15,997 --> 00:17:18,076 who-who-who used to hit us. 342 00:17:20,476 --> 00:17:21,975 Another kid? 343 00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:24,075 Actually, a teacher. 344 00:17:24,715 --> 00:17:26,534 He used to... 345 00:17:26,634 --> 00:17:27,854 God, he used to really scare me. 346 00:17:27,954 --> 00:17:29,954 I-I never used to do well. 347 00:17:30,274 --> 00:17:32,213 Um... 348 00:17:32,313 --> 00:17:34,213 Well, I never used to do well with fear, 349 00:17:34,313 --> 00:17:36,412 but also the thing I remember most clearly: 350 00:17:36,512 --> 00:17:38,512 rage. 351 00:17:43,031 --> 00:17:45,031 I heard you on the radio. 352 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:47,990 You listen to the Today programme? 353 00:17:48,910 --> 00:17:51,229 Mum makes us listen to or read everything you do. 354 00:17:52,509 --> 00:17:55,029 "You've an impressive dad," and she says it like, 355 00:17:56,028 --> 00:17:58,648 "He may be a total dick, but he's impressive." 356 00:17:58,748 --> 00:18:00,787 All right. 357 00:18:04,307 --> 00:18:06,566 You know the story of the dung beetle? 358 00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:08,366 God. Really, again? 359 00:18:08,466 --> 00:18:11,685 - If you want to fly free... - First you have to eat a lot of shit. 360 00:18:11,785 --> 00:18:13,885 Sometimes you have to ignore bullies. 361 00:18:13,985 --> 00:18:16,164 - I'm not being bullied. - Sometimes you have to puncture them. 362 00:18:16,264 --> 00:18:18,364 - I'm not, Dad, - There's always a way to... 363 00:18:18,464 --> 00:18:20,243 There's always a chance... When the wankers... 364 00:18:20,343 --> 00:18:22,083 when they suddenly seem vulnerable. 365 00:18:22,183 --> 00:18:24,322 When they are, 366 00:18:24,422 --> 00:18:28,082 you have to clamp your pincers onto them as hard as possible. 367 00:18:28,182 --> 00:18:30,181 Do not let go. 368 00:18:37,220 --> 00:18:38,200 Tomatoes in the oven. 369 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:40,299 Ready in ten. They're Turkish. 370 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,578 I love you very much. 371 00:18:52,057 --> 00:18:54,056 You stupid child. 372 00:18:54,576 --> 00:18:57,416 You are such a disappointment. 373 00:19:04,334 --> 00:19:05,474 It won't surprise you to know 374 00:19:05,574 --> 00:19:08,213 we didn't get the rights to use their masthead. 375 00:19:09,853 --> 00:19:11,853 Or this one. 376 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:25,230 Hi, it's Nick Davies. 377 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:27,749 You still have that contact at Scotland Yard? 378 00:19:27,849 --> 00:19:29,269 No, sorry, mate. 379 00:19:29,369 --> 00:19:31,469 I really cannot be getting involved with that one. 380 00:19:31,569 --> 00:19:32,508 You know how it is. 381 00:19:32,608 --> 00:19:35,708 But Andy Coulson will soon be sitting in Downing Street. 382 00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:38,147 Yeah, and Murdoch's already sitting on Downing Street. 383 00:19:38,247 --> 00:19:39,547 Yeah. 384 00:19:39,647 --> 00:19:40,587 Yes, I appreciate that. 385 00:19:40,687 --> 00:19:42,906 I understand. If I could get some evidence of this. 386 00:19:43,006 --> 00:19:44,546 - No. - No. 387 00:19:44,646 --> 00:19:47,025 - No. - All right. Thanks. Bye. 388 00:19:52,364 --> 00:19:53,624 Oh, hi. Thanks for calling back. 389 00:19:53,724 --> 00:19:56,103 Do you have the number for... Name redacted. 390 00:19:56,203 --> 00:19:59,063 - See you later. - Yeah. 391 00:19:59,163 --> 00:20:01,162 Okay, great. Zero... 392 00:20:02,362 --> 00:20:07,581 seven, seven, zero, zero, nine, zero, zero, nine, 393 00:20:07,681 --> 00:20:10,380 five, four. Got that. 394 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,860 Thank you. 395 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,260 Hi. I'm wondering whether I could speak to 396 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,359 whoever represents Elle Macpherson. 397 00:20:18,999 --> 00:20:19,978 No, no, I'm not a fan. 398 00:20:20,078 --> 00:20:21,258 No, I'm wondering whether 399 00:20:21,358 --> 00:20:23,858 she's currently suing the News of the World. 400 00:20:23,958 --> 00:20:25,937 Is that Max? 401 00:20:26,037 --> 00:20:27,937 Hi, it's Nick Davies. 402 00:20:28,037 --> 00:20:30,216 We met at The Orwell Prize. 403 00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:32,316 I'm actually after a bit of insight. 404 00:20:33,276 --> 00:20:35,275 Well, no. Just give me a chance. 405 00:20:56,951 --> 00:20:58,730 Detective Buzz Aldrin? 406 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,090 It's not his real name. 407 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:01,170 My name is Nick Davies. 408 00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:02,410 I'm a Guardian journalist. 409 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:03,788 I believe you were looking into the Clive Goodman case? 410 00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:05,449 I'm very busy, Mr Davies. 411 00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:07,449 I've followed your work, Buzz. I know how principled you are. 412 00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:10,568 I think you know that this... that what is happening here 413 00:21:10,668 --> 00:21:12,967 is acutely in the public interest, and if it's all dealt with 414 00:21:13,067 --> 00:21:14,367 in behind-stairs deals, it'll help no one. 415 00:21:14,467 --> 00:21:15,407 I can't talk to journalists. 416 00:21:15,507 --> 00:21:17,247 You don't have to talk. 417 00:21:17,347 --> 00:21:19,646 All I need to know is which of the five non-royal names 418 00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:21,806 in the Clive Goodman case is now suing the paper. 419 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:23,845 Cough. 420 00:21:23,945 --> 00:21:24,944 That's all I ask. Cough when I hit the right name. 421 00:21:24,945 --> 00:21:26,045 You are very, very persistent. 422 00:21:26,145 --> 00:21:29,404 Because what I understand is that those five names represent thousands, 423 00:21:29,504 --> 00:21:31,324 thousands of people who've had 424 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:33,283 their privacy stolen by this newspaper. 425 00:21:33,383 --> 00:21:35,443 Please. 426 00:21:35,543 --> 00:21:38,022 Elle Macpherson, Simon Hughes, 427 00:21:39,502 --> 00:21:40,962 Gordon Taylor... 428 00:21:41,062 --> 00:21:43,381 Thank you. 429 00:21:44,981 --> 00:21:46,980 You did the right thing. 430 00:22:03,057 --> 00:22:04,957 Sorry, excuse me. Charlotte Harris! 431 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:06,236 Nick Davies at The Guardian. 432 00:22:06,336 --> 00:22:07,636 I believe you represent Gordon Taylor. 433 00:22:07,736 --> 00:22:08,796 I'm due in court. 434 00:22:08,896 --> 00:22:11,955 I understand that he's suing News of the World for breach of privacy. 435 00:22:12,055 --> 00:22:13,795 Mr Davies, whether or not Mr Taylor is my client, 436 00:22:13,895 --> 00:22:16,034 I have no interest in talking to any press. Sorry. 437 00:22:16,134 --> 00:22:21,113 These so-called journalists bring our whole industry into disrepute. 438 00:22:21,213 --> 00:22:23,213 You're very persistent. 439 00:22:23,773 --> 00:22:28,072 Well, can you... can you tell me then about John Hewison? 440 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:30,311 He's also a claimant, is he not? 441 00:22:30,411 --> 00:22:32,751 And the interesting thing is, if you ask the public 442 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,591 who those two are, they might know Taylor. 443 00:22:34,691 --> 00:22:37,310 They wouldn't know Hewison because he's a lawyer. 444 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:38,510 Like you. 445 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:40,669 He's entrusted with the secrets of others, 446 00:22:40,769 --> 00:22:43,029 in the secrets of sports stars in his case... 447 00:22:43,129 --> 00:22:46,628 which makes him interesting to the News of the World. 448 00:22:46,728 --> 00:22:48,468 This is a news operation, 449 00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:51,147 which is trying to undermine the confidentiality 450 00:22:51,247 --> 00:22:53,627 that crucially underlies your profession. 451 00:22:53,727 --> 00:22:55,826 If you want to fight it, 452 00:22:55,926 --> 00:22:58,626 well, you're a tiger, but they're lions. 453 00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:00,929 The Guardian's a lion, too. 454 00:23:01,409 --> 00:23:04,228 Well, what if I'm neither a lion nor a tiger? 455 00:23:04,328 --> 00:23:06,528 What if I am a walrus? 456 00:23:07,528 --> 00:23:09,527 Walruses can be fierce. 457 00:23:10,007 --> 00:23:11,387 And what if you're a... 458 00:23:11,487 --> 00:23:12,907 See, I'm trying to think of an annoying animal. 459 00:23:13,007 --> 00:23:14,986 Has Mr Taylor settled? 460 00:23:15,086 --> 00:23:16,146 What evidence do you have? 461 00:23:16,246 --> 00:23:17,586 Are there other claimants? 462 00:23:17,686 --> 00:23:20,665 I'm sure you must... you must be looking to engage more clients. 463 00:23:20,765 --> 00:23:23,664 Privacy cases like this can sometimes... 464 00:23:23,764 --> 00:23:24,904 What did Max Mosley get? 465 00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:27,784 Sixty thousand pounds, and costs. Line enough up, 466 00:23:27,884 --> 00:23:30,543 you could have a class-action suit worth a lot of money. 467 00:23:30,643 --> 00:23:34,042 You were doing well, reasonably well, until you brought money into it. 468 00:23:35,322 --> 00:23:37,582 I can't talk to you about specific cases, 469 00:23:37,682 --> 00:23:39,681 but I can tell you... 470 00:23:40,041 --> 00:23:42,840 I can tell you that there is so much more to come. 471 00:23:54,158 --> 00:23:57,137 - Yep. - You've got the name. 472 00:23:57,237 --> 00:24:01,217 Mr Apollo, you're back. Are you watching me? 473 00:24:01,317 --> 00:24:04,156 I take it you're still interested in this case, then? 474 00:24:09,195 --> 00:24:11,934 The deer is in the fireplace. The lion is alight. 475 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,034 What the fuck are you doing? 476 00:24:14,394 --> 00:24:16,213 Sorry, I make... I have a tendency to make jokes. 477 00:24:16,313 --> 00:24:18,353 I was trying to trying to be a Russian spy. 478 00:24:20,113 --> 00:24:21,372 We could be spotted at any moment. 479 00:24:21,472 --> 00:24:23,752 - Do you know the risks? - I do. Sorry. 480 00:24:25,552 --> 00:24:27,551 So you found the lawyer. 481 00:24:27,951 --> 00:24:28,971 Is this some kind of a test? 482 00:24:29,071 --> 00:24:31,090 Do I get a prize at the end of it? 483 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:32,570 Do you know how much they're settling for? 484 00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:34,410 No. 485 00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:39,289 £400,000 in damages, another £300,000 in legal expenses, 486 00:24:39,389 --> 00:24:42,488 and their associates are getting £140,000 in damages, 487 00:24:42,588 --> 00:24:44,048 plus their legal. 488 00:24:44,148 --> 00:24:47,567 The whole package comes in at just over a million pounds. 489 00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:48,607 Now that's a lot, 490 00:24:48,707 --> 00:24:51,126 even for News International to stomach. 491 00:24:51,226 --> 00:24:53,206 But, 492 00:24:53,306 --> 00:24:57,365 Max Mosley was... They accused him of being a Nazi at an orgy. 493 00:24:57,465 --> 00:25:00,244 - All he got was... - £60,000, yes. 494 00:25:00,344 --> 00:25:02,344 Now you're getting it. 495 00:25:04,224 --> 00:25:05,163 Look, I need you. 496 00:25:05,263 --> 00:25:07,843 I need paperwork or-or audio recording, 497 00:25:07,943 --> 00:25:09,522 some sort of hard evidence, 498 00:25:09,622 --> 00:25:10,842 I don't even have to publish it. 499 00:25:10,942 --> 00:25:12,922 I just need to be able to show The Guardian. 500 00:25:13,022 --> 00:25:15,401 The preliminary hearings, in 2007, they're public record. 501 00:25:15,501 --> 00:25:17,501 That's not enough. 502 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,019 All right. 503 00:25:27,219 --> 00:25:28,239 What is it? 504 00:25:28,339 --> 00:25:29,398 You'll work it out. 505 00:25:29,498 --> 00:25:30,598 - Can I use it? - Nope. 506 00:25:30,698 --> 00:25:32,478 I need to be able to use it. 507 00:25:32,578 --> 00:25:33,997 Summarise it, yes. 508 00:25:34,097 --> 00:25:35,597 Show it to your editor, yes. 509 00:25:35,697 --> 00:25:38,356 Quote from it, no. 510 00:25:38,456 --> 00:25:40,456 Can I have your number? 511 00:25:41,176 --> 00:25:43,175 Be careful, Nick. 512 00:25:44,255 --> 00:25:46,255 This could get nasty. 513 00:26:02,092 --> 00:26:04,791 I have a piece on MPs expenses I want you to have a look at. 514 00:26:04,891 --> 00:26:06,591 - Okay. - Do you want some gingerbread? 515 00:26:06,691 --> 00:26:08,230 My mother made it. It's not very good. 516 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:10,190 I have evidence. 517 00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:11,869 How long did that take you to get? 518 00:26:11,969 --> 00:26:14,089 Maybe two months, ALAN: And you've never mentioned it? 519 00:26:16,089 --> 00:26:17,708 They're paying out millions to cover this up. 520 00:26:17,808 --> 00:26:19,808 This is a story. 521 00:26:20,408 --> 00:26:22,907 Nick, newspapers reporting on newspapers... 522 00:26:23,007 --> 00:26:26,346 But the editor of that newspaper is about to enter government. 523 00:26:26,446 --> 00:26:30,226 If Andy Coulson was complicit in hacking phones as an editor, 524 00:26:30,326 --> 00:26:32,885 imagine what he might do to enemies of the government. 525 00:26:34,165 --> 00:26:36,104 Show me what you have. 526 00:26:36,204 --> 00:26:38,204 Okay, so, 527 00:26:38,884 --> 00:26:40,184 printout of an e-mail. 528 00:26:40,284 --> 00:26:45,223 ross.hindley@news-of-the-world to shadownmen@yahoo.co.uk 529 00:26:45,323 --> 00:26:46,342 It's Glenn Mulcaire's e-mail. 530 00:26:46,442 --> 00:26:47,782 His e-mail was shadowmen? 531 00:26:47,882 --> 00:26:49,962 Hmm, it says, "transcript for Neville." 532 00:26:51,161 --> 00:26:52,981 "Wednesday, 29th of June, 2005." 533 00:26:53,081 --> 00:26:54,021 I can read. 534 00:26:54,121 --> 00:26:56,060 And Neville is... 535 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,700 Neville Thurlbeck, Chief reporter at News of the World. 536 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,019 There are transcripts of 35 voicemail messages, 537 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,498 which had been left on the phones of Gordon Taylor and a colleague. 538 00:27:05,598 --> 00:27:07,578 It wasn't just Clive Goodman. 539 00:27:07,678 --> 00:27:09,678 And then, there's this. 540 00:27:10,237 --> 00:27:14,337 Greg Miskiw, assistant editor approving a payment of £7000, 541 00:27:14,437 --> 00:27:17,456 to Mulcaire for a story on Gordon Taylor. 542 00:27:17,556 --> 00:27:20,855 And the police have access to all of this and more. 543 00:27:20,955 --> 00:27:22,015 Can we use these? 544 00:27:22,115 --> 00:27:23,975 No. 545 00:27:24,075 --> 00:27:26,754 Can we get your Mr Apollo to speak on the record? 546 00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:29,533 How long have we known each other? 547 00:27:29,633 --> 00:27:31,253 I have no idea. 548 00:27:31,353 --> 00:27:32,973 I had no interest in trying to work that out. 549 00:27:33,073 --> 00:27:34,092 It'll make me feel old. 550 00:27:34,192 --> 00:27:37,492 Nearly thirty years. This is it, Alan. 551 00:27:37,592 --> 00:27:39,211 There is an industry making huge profit 552 00:27:39,311 --> 00:27:40,731 from invading people's private lives, 553 00:27:40,831 --> 00:27:42,651 and Rupert Murdoch's bullying tabloids 554 00:27:42,751 --> 00:27:45,150 have explicitly encouraged it and are buying it. 555 00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:52,469 This matters. 556 00:27:57,708 --> 00:27:59,707 Tin hats on. 557 00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:03,026 Good. Okay. 558 00:28:05,746 --> 00:28:08,845 I'll-I'll let you know when I've got something. 559 00:28:08,945 --> 00:28:10,945 Thanks, Alan. 560 00:28:11,785 --> 00:28:13,804 You may think you lead a private life, 561 00:28:13,904 --> 00:28:15,764 but The Guardian has uncovered evidence 562 00:28:15,864 --> 00:28:17,643 to suggest otherwise. 563 00:28:17,743 --> 00:28:22,402 This strange story began in 2006 with the arrest of two men, 564 00:28:22,502 --> 00:28:24,842 The News of the World, Royal Editor, Clive Goodman, 565 00:28:24,942 --> 00:28:27,561 and private investigator, Glenn Mulcaire. 566 00:28:27,661 --> 00:28:30,041 The men pled guilty to phone hacking charges, 567 00:28:30,141 --> 00:28:31,720 and served prison sentences. 568 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:33,320 Following an investigation, 569 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:38,079 the paper told the world that hacking was the work of one rogue reporter. 570 00:28:38,179 --> 00:28:40,479 The story should have ended there. 571 00:28:40,579 --> 00:28:41,878 But it didn't. 572 00:28:55,616 --> 00:28:56,614 From the beginning on, 573 00:28:56,615 --> 00:28:59,135 newspapers have prospered for one reason, 574 00:29:00,215 --> 00:29:02,394 giving readers the news they want. 575 00:29:02,494 --> 00:29:04,314 Shit. 576 00:29:04,414 --> 00:29:09,153 Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! 577 00:29:12,692 --> 00:29:13,992 Keep it simple. 578 00:29:14,092 --> 00:29:16,071 Rupert Murdoch's News Group Newspapers 579 00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:19,191 had paid out more than £1,000,000 to settle legal cases 580 00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:20,750 that threatened to reveal evidence 581 00:29:20,850 --> 00:29:22,590 of his journalists' repeated involvement 582 00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:24,949 in the use of criminal methods to get stories. 583 00:29:25,049 --> 00:29:28,349 Payments secured secrecy over out-of-court settlements 584 00:29:28,449 --> 00:29:30,948 in three cases that threatened to expose evidence 585 00:29:31,048 --> 00:29:34,188 of Murdoch journalists using private investigators 586 00:29:34,288 --> 00:29:37,467 to illegally hack into the mobile phone messages 587 00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:39,426 of numerous public figures. 588 00:29:39,526 --> 00:29:42,866 Cabinet ministers. MPs, actors, and sports stars... 589 00:29:42,966 --> 00:29:45,025 were all targets of private investigators. 590 00:29:45,125 --> 00:29:47,025 Are you sure we can safely list all those groups? 591 00:29:47,125 --> 00:29:49,384 We already have evidence of actors, Elle Macpherson, 592 00:29:49,484 --> 00:29:51,384 - sport stars, Sky Andrew... - MPs then? 593 00:29:51,484 --> 00:29:52,944 I have an invoice 594 00:29:53,044 --> 00:29:55,103 recording a payment to a private investigator 595 00:29:55,203 --> 00:29:56,863 showing John Prescott had been targeted, 596 00:29:56,963 --> 00:29:57,903 it's likely hacking. 597 00:29:58,003 --> 00:29:59,342 This article has no named sources. 598 00:29:59,442 --> 00:30:00,782 There's no evidence on the record. 599 00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:02,862 Alan thinks we have enough, I do, too. 600 00:30:02,962 --> 00:30:04,381 And we haven't got right of reply. 601 00:30:04,481 --> 00:30:06,021 It's a declaration of bloody war. 602 00:30:06,121 --> 00:30:08,061 Murdoch and Brooks, they have nuclear weapons. 603 00:30:08,161 --> 00:30:09,140 Right now they do. 604 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,100 But we can neuter their nuclear weapons with this. 605 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,139 If we do, Fleet Street will fall in behind us, 606 00:30:13,239 --> 00:30:14,219 the police soon after. 607 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,859 And they have... when they find the information 608 00:30:16,959 --> 00:30:18,077 - they already have. - Information they've lost? 609 00:30:18,078 --> 00:30:19,258 Information they don't know they have. 610 00:30:19,358 --> 00:30:21,738 This is The Met we're talking about. 611 00:30:21,838 --> 00:30:24,537 Look, once we publish, they'll be forced to act. 612 00:30:24,637 --> 00:30:26,637 Can we name Coulson? 613 00:30:27,157 --> 00:30:28,816 Now you're worried I haven't gone far enough. 614 00:30:28,916 --> 00:30:30,736 No, it makes it more in the public interest 615 00:30:30,836 --> 00:30:31,776 if we can name him. 616 00:30:31,876 --> 00:30:34,695 I did ring conservative HQ right to reply, Gill. 617 00:30:34,795 --> 00:30:36,575 I asked about the Gordon Taylor settlement. 618 00:30:36,675 --> 00:30:38,694 His office replied, it didn't ring any bells. 619 00:30:38,794 --> 00:30:40,934 We've nothing that directly links him. 620 00:30:41,034 --> 00:30:42,093 I agree. 621 00:30:42,193 --> 00:30:44,793 But we can say, 622 00:30:45,833 --> 00:30:48,212 that he was the editor in place when journalists 623 00:30:48,312 --> 00:30:50,292 for whom he was responsible, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 624 00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:52,371 That's good. 625 00:30:52,471 --> 00:30:54,471 That's good. 626 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:58,950 Yes? 627 00:30:59,310 --> 00:31:01,309 I'm uneasy, but if you're sure... 628 00:31:05,229 --> 00:31:07,228 I am. 629 00:31:11,667 --> 00:31:13,667 It reads well. 630 00:31:19,346 --> 00:31:21,345 Okay. 631 00:31:27,864 --> 00:31:29,124 At half past five in the afternoon 632 00:31:29,224 --> 00:31:31,403 on Wednesday, 8th of July, 2009, 633 00:31:31,503 --> 00:31:33,963 we posted my news story on The Guardian website. 634 00:31:34,063 --> 00:31:37,202 As it ran, The Guardian news desk asked a reporter, Caroline Davies, 635 00:31:37,302 --> 00:31:39,841 to call John Prescott, ex-Deputy Prime Minister, 636 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,041 to get a quote. 637 00:31:41,141 --> 00:31:43,201 I told him the gist of the story, 638 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:45,600 and he said, "Fookin' 'ell!" 639 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,040 You'd have thought the police 640 00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,200 in the committing of a criminal offence, 641 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:50,719 and clearly it is, against anyone, 642 00:31:50,819 --> 00:31:53,199 and particularly you'd have thought, a cabinet member, 643 00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:54,798 they would have come and told me about it. 644 00:31:54,898 --> 00:31:56,678 I would have asked them, "What are you going to do about it?" 645 00:31:56,778 --> 00:31:58,918 Prescott roared. 646 00:31:59,018 --> 00:32:01,017 But the house fell silent. 647 00:32:02,457 --> 00:32:04,456 Anyone? 648 00:32:06,176 --> 00:32:08,176 Anyone? 649 00:32:11,695 --> 00:32:13,235 And Fleet Street, 650 00:32:13,335 --> 00:32:14,514 well... 651 00:32:17,134 --> 00:32:21,073 Fleet Street essentially did their best to ignore the story. 652 00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:24,312 Ask any journalist what a great story depends on. 653 00:32:24,412 --> 00:32:26,412 They'll say the same thing. 654 00:32:26,812 --> 00:32:28,231 A new angle, 655 00:32:28,331 --> 00:32:30,631 one at least journalists can get behind. 656 00:32:30,731 --> 00:32:32,351 We are reliant on our own profession 657 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,910 to follow up on stories so they have impact. 658 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:38,109 To make a story newsworthy requires multiple news outlets. 659 00:32:38,209 --> 00:32:39,829 But on this one, 660 00:32:39,929 --> 00:32:41,949 crickets. 661 00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:44,148 My company couldn't have settled the legal action 662 00:32:44,248 --> 00:32:45,228 like The Guardian claims. 663 00:32:45,328 --> 00:32:47,587 If they had done, I'd have known about it. 664 00:32:47,687 --> 00:32:49,747 I tried to get this out as wide as possible. 665 00:32:49,847 --> 00:32:51,827 I talked on radio stations, TV shows. 666 00:32:51,927 --> 00:32:54,786 I took constant calls from agents of public figures asking, 667 00:32:54,886 --> 00:32:56,066 "Am I on that list?" 668 00:32:56,166 --> 00:32:57,385 I slept about four hours. 669 00:32:57,485 --> 00:33:01,145 And then at five in the afternoon, I was surprised to hear that 670 00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:04,624 John Yates, Assistant Commissioner of Scotland Yard, 671 00:33:04,724 --> 00:33:07,183 was preparing to make a statement. 672 00:33:07,283 --> 00:33:08,543 Good afternoon. 673 00:33:08,643 --> 00:33:10,463 I was not involved in the original case 674 00:33:10,563 --> 00:33:14,062 and clearly come at this with an independent mind. 675 00:33:14,162 --> 00:33:15,502 In my opinion, what I've seen 676 00:33:15,602 --> 00:33:19,681 is a most careful investigation by very experienced detectives. 677 00:33:20,681 --> 00:33:23,220 He proceeded to gently demolish our work. 678 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,700 We'd suggested there were thousands of victims. 679 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,139 The potential targets may have run into hundreds of people. 680 00:33:29,239 --> 00:33:32,098 But our inquiry showed that they only used the tactic 681 00:33:32,198 --> 00:33:34,938 against a far smaller number of individuals. 682 00:33:35,038 --> 00:33:37,257 And since no additional evidence has come to light, 683 00:33:37,357 --> 00:33:39,477 I can see no reason to reopen the inquiry. 684 00:33:40,636 --> 00:33:42,096 Thank you. That's all for today. 685 00:33:42,196 --> 00:33:45,076 Does that mean The Guardian fabricated the story? 686 00:33:48,195 --> 00:33:50,134 ...may have run into hundreds of people. 687 00:33:50,234 --> 00:33:53,014 But our inquiry showed that they only used the tactic 688 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:55,333 against a far smaller number of individuals. 689 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:57,773 And since no additional evidence has come to light, 690 00:33:57,873 --> 00:34:00,072 I can see no reason to reopen the inquiry. 691 00:34:01,112 --> 00:34:03,292 That was Assistant Commissioner John Yates, 692 00:34:03,392 --> 00:34:04,811 speaking in response to... 693 00:34:08,911 --> 00:34:10,930 What is it? 694 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:12,650 The police haven't backed us, 695 00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:16,129 and Keir Starmer's conducting a review. 696 00:34:16,229 --> 00:34:17,929 He was Director of Public Prosecutions then. 697 00:34:18,029 --> 00:34:20,688 But he doesn't consider there was anything inappropriate 698 00:34:20,788 --> 00:34:22,968 in the prosecutions undertaken in this case. 699 00:34:23,068 --> 00:34:25,767 We are being squashed. 700 00:34:25,867 --> 00:34:27,567 We need to speak to your Mr Apollo. 701 00:34:27,667 --> 00:34:28,846 We need to get him on the record. 702 00:34:28,946 --> 00:34:30,926 He... 703 00:34:31,026 --> 00:34:32,926 he can contact me, I can't contact him. 704 00:34:33,026 --> 00:34:35,025 Nick, 705 00:34:36,185 --> 00:34:39,844 our colleagues upstairs are gravely concerned. 706 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:41,444 Is it possible you were set up? 707 00:34:41,544 --> 00:34:43,043 No, this is right. I've... 708 00:34:43,143 --> 00:34:46,523 We've used no named sources, no quotes from documents, 709 00:34:46,623 --> 00:34:48,622 we should never have published. 710 00:34:49,502 --> 00:34:52,961 And Murdoch has set his attack dogs on us in the Commons, 711 00:34:53,061 --> 00:34:55,721 they're briefing that we can't back up our story. 712 00:34:55,821 --> 00:34:58,900 And now the CMS Select Committee want to see us urgently. 713 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:02,359 That doesn't sound great. 714 00:35:02,459 --> 00:35:04,039 They want to barbecue you, Nick, 715 00:35:04,139 --> 00:35:06,299 and John Yates has given them permission. 716 00:35:08,938 --> 00:35:10,938 I'm sorry. I... 717 00:35:11,578 --> 00:35:13,777 I've read the runes wrong here. 718 00:35:15,617 --> 00:35:17,316 The Guardian are putting together a statement. 719 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:18,996 What kind of statement? 720 00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:21,096 I'll know when I see it. 721 00:35:21,895 --> 00:35:23,895 I feel like I'm having a heart attack. 722 00:35:26,255 --> 00:35:28,254 Why is everybody doing this? 723 00:35:52,489 --> 00:35:54,469 My mother was a strong character, 724 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:57,828 intelligent, forceful, imaginative, 725 00:35:57,928 --> 00:36:01,947 trapped, as she believed, in domestic drudgery. She had... 726 00:36:02,047 --> 00:36:04,047 She had a furious temper. 727 00:36:04,447 --> 00:36:07,826 This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal of "Spare the rod and spoil the child." 728 00:36:07,926 --> 00:36:09,506 This was mad beatings, 729 00:36:09,606 --> 00:36:12,905 when she came after us with a black-eyed fury 730 00:36:13,005 --> 00:36:15,824 armed with whatever weapon she had to hand, 731 00:36:15,924 --> 00:36:18,884 a dog lead, a slipper, a riding crop, a rope. 732 00:36:21,403 --> 00:36:23,403 Are you ready to say you're sorry? 733 00:36:25,442 --> 00:36:27,442 No. 734 00:36:32,001 --> 00:36:35,180 I had been working as a journalist for a couple of decades, 735 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,979 thinking I was interested in criminal justice and social problems 736 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,579 when I saw that I was being drawn to stories, 737 00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:43,678 again and again with the same theme. 738 00:36:45,358 --> 00:36:47,058 A deep-seated urge to hit back... 739 00:36:48,637 --> 00:36:51,017 - ...at anybody at all... - Mr Davies. 740 00:36:51,117 --> 00:36:54,456 - ...who takes power and abuses it. - Stupid child! 741 00:37:40,547 --> 00:37:42,686 Yeah, so I tried hitting him back. 742 00:37:42,786 --> 00:37:44,786 Why? 743 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,345 Seething rage. 744 00:37:47,665 --> 00:37:49,665 I thought he looked vulnerable. 745 00:37:50,465 --> 00:37:52,464 Oh. 746 00:37:53,584 --> 00:37:55,004 It didn't work. 747 00:37:55,104 --> 00:37:57,103 No. 748 00:37:58,263 --> 00:37:59,443 You look terrible. 749 00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:01,542 Thank you. 750 00:38:02,662 --> 00:38:03,722 What happened to you? 751 00:38:03,822 --> 00:38:05,821 Are you asking me or him? 752 00:38:07,781 --> 00:38:11,200 Okay, so I need to take you to your mum's tonight. 753 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:14,140 Um... She says she's cool with it if you are. 754 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,459 Yeah, sure, I don't mind. 755 00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:28,397 It's been a day of statement and counter statement 756 00:38:28,497 --> 00:38:30,036 in the phone hacking affair 757 00:38:30,136 --> 00:38:32,756 with News International angrily refuting 758 00:38:32,856 --> 00:38:35,355 all the allegations made by The Guardian. 759 00:38:35,455 --> 00:38:37,075 With the editor and the reporter 760 00:38:37,175 --> 00:38:39,634 due to appear at the Media Select Committee, 761 00:38:39,734 --> 00:38:42,834 certain publications are claiming a leftist agenda 762 00:38:42,934 --> 00:38:45,513 against the News of the World by The Guardian. 763 00:38:45,613 --> 00:38:49,072 And calling for legal action to be taken against the organisation 764 00:38:49,172 --> 00:38:50,472 if they can't back up 765 00:38:50,572 --> 00:38:53,252 spurious claims made against Murdoch's paper. 766 00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,410 - Hi. - Hello. 767 00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:07,509 - See you, kids. - Hi, kids. 768 00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:09,908 - Oh, hang on. - I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine. 769 00:39:10,008 --> 00:39:11,348 It's my fault. 770 00:39:11,448 --> 00:39:13,447 I'm sorry. Bad advice. 771 00:39:14,407 --> 00:39:15,987 Coffee? 772 00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:18,906 I'll... Thanks for this. I'll see you Monday. 773 00:39:19,006 --> 00:39:20,866 - I'm sorry. - Nick. 774 00:39:20,966 --> 00:39:22,825 - Yeah? - Have you eaten? 775 00:39:22,925 --> 00:39:23,945 When? 776 00:39:24,045 --> 00:39:25,385 In the last day. 777 00:39:25,485 --> 00:39:29,184 I'm just a bit tired. I'm not... I'm not really at my best. 778 00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:30,344 I need to think. 779 00:39:30,444 --> 00:39:33,663 And the... 780 00:39:33,763 --> 00:39:35,863 the House of Commons Select Committee. 781 00:39:35,963 --> 00:39:37,182 Want to see us tomorrow. 782 00:39:37,282 --> 00:39:39,342 And The Guardian have got this message 783 00:39:39,442 --> 00:39:42,461 that their PR have written, that is... that is just... 784 00:39:42,561 --> 00:39:44,561 All right. Okay. 785 00:39:45,561 --> 00:39:47,500 You look worse than he does. Let's... 786 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,780 I didn't tell him to fight back. 787 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,219 I told him to pick his moment, I didn't want him to hit someone. 788 00:39:52,319 --> 00:39:54,019 Shit. 789 00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,259 It's all right. 790 00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:58,358 Come on. 791 00:39:58,678 --> 00:40:00,898 Sit down. Sit down. 792 00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:02,997 Soup okay? 793 00:40:07,716 --> 00:40:09,736 What do I do? 794 00:40:09,836 --> 00:40:11,255 How do I make it better? 795 00:40:11,355 --> 00:40:14,195 Well, we will talk to the school. 796 00:40:15,355 --> 00:40:17,334 You think they'll do better? 797 00:40:17,434 --> 00:40:19,434 It's a good school. 798 00:40:20,354 --> 00:40:21,373 Things have changed. 799 00:40:21,473 --> 00:40:24,913 You know, teachers, parents, they're not allowed to do... 800 00:40:26,552 --> 00:40:28,552 There's systems, right? 801 00:40:30,431 --> 00:40:32,431 I thought about her. 802 00:40:32,911 --> 00:40:34,911 Earlier today, I was reading this... 803 00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:40,369 paper-mache over-apologetic PR nonsense, 804 00:40:40,469 --> 00:40:43,209 and I thought about all the times I'd gone to her and apologised. 805 00:40:43,309 --> 00:40:45,308 And all the times I... 806 00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:47,708 and then my son gets a face like that. 807 00:40:50,547 --> 00:40:52,547 Okay. 808 00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:54,646 I'm gonna make the sofa up. 809 00:40:54,746 --> 00:40:56,746 You're staying here tonight. 810 00:40:57,586 --> 00:40:59,585 And I'll just put this soup on. 811 00:41:31,339 --> 00:41:34,038 - Hi. - I can't read that statement. 812 00:41:34,138 --> 00:41:36,138 A retraction at this time, 813 00:41:36,738 --> 00:41:38,557 you're asking me to say I was wrong. 814 00:41:38,657 --> 00:41:41,017 If we can't get Mr Apollo on the record, 815 00:41:42,217 --> 00:41:44,316 then we need to make a retraction. 816 00:41:44,416 --> 00:41:46,776 You know getting him on the record is impossible. 817 00:41:48,215 --> 00:41:50,035 Then I'm afraid you'll have to make that statement 818 00:41:50,135 --> 00:41:51,915 to the Select Committee tomorrow. 819 00:41:52,015 --> 00:41:54,994 If you make me read it out, I won't come. 820 00:41:55,094 --> 00:41:58,053 If you don't come, we're fucked. 821 00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:03,132 Oh. 822 00:42:30,846 --> 00:42:32,786 Carl Bernstein, one of the great reporters 823 00:42:32,886 --> 00:42:34,886 who exposed the Watergate scandal, said, 824 00:42:35,885 --> 00:42:39,225 "I think all good reporting is the same thing. 825 00:42:39,325 --> 00:42:42,184 "The best attainable version of the truth." 826 00:42:42,284 --> 00:42:46,303 The best attainable version of the truth. 827 00:42:46,403 --> 00:42:48,443 The best attainable... so no matter what you've got... 828 00:42:50,322 --> 00:42:52,322 you've got to... 829 00:43:10,638 --> 00:43:11,698 Good morning. 830 00:43:11,798 --> 00:43:14,997 Hi. Does this printer-scanner thing still work? 831 00:43:16,197 --> 00:43:17,937 Yeah, that one does. Coffee? 832 00:43:18,037 --> 00:43:21,736 And do you have some black paper and some glue and some scissors? 833 00:43:21,836 --> 00:43:23,815 Oh, you're making me a collage, Nick? 834 00:43:23,915 --> 00:43:27,095 Might need the kids to be slightly late for school. 835 00:43:27,195 --> 00:43:29,194 Right. Why? 836 00:43:30,354 --> 00:43:33,413 Okay, so these are e-mails 837 00:43:33,513 --> 00:43:36,173 written to a journalist, that's Neville, 838 00:43:36,273 --> 00:43:38,092 with transcriptions of 839 00:43:38,192 --> 00:43:40,412 a man called Gordon Taylor's voicemail messages. 840 00:43:40,512 --> 00:43:42,412 What I need you to do is to block out all the sections 841 00:43:42,512 --> 00:43:44,931 which are clearly transcribed from those voicemails. 842 00:43:45,031 --> 00:43:46,051 Leave everything else visible. 843 00:43:46,151 --> 00:43:47,230 You should be able to tell which bits are which. 844 00:43:47,231 --> 00:43:48,330 But any doubts, just ask. 845 00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:51,250 Hmm. May I ask, why aren't you doing this at The Guardian, 846 00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:53,089 with some sort of vague professionalism? 847 00:43:53,189 --> 00:43:54,929 Alan can't know. 848 00:43:55,029 --> 00:43:57,029 Your editor can't know? 849 00:43:57,508 --> 00:43:59,488 Because I can't have him tell anyone else. 850 00:43:59,588 --> 00:44:01,488 Oh yeah, that man is a gossip. 851 00:44:01,588 --> 00:44:02,546 Fleet Street can't know about this. 852 00:44:02,547 --> 00:44:05,367 As far as they know, I'm walking naked into that committee room. 853 00:44:05,467 --> 00:44:06,927 I was just trying to protect my editor. 854 00:44:07,027 --> 00:44:09,106 - And my newspaper. - And you? 855 00:44:11,146 --> 00:44:13,305 What sort of danger are you putting yourself in here? 856 00:44:42,979 --> 00:44:44,979 Nick. 857 00:44:47,138 --> 00:44:49,038 How are you, Alan? 858 00:44:49,138 --> 00:44:51,077 I'm fine, a bit tired. 859 00:44:51,177 --> 00:44:53,517 Something interrupted my sleep last night. 860 00:44:53,617 --> 00:44:55,616 I hate it when that happens. 861 00:44:57,456 --> 00:44:59,456 I hate all of this. 862 00:44:59,936 --> 00:45:01,935 I'm sorry if I've made your life difficult. 863 00:45:02,615 --> 00:45:03,995 My life? 864 00:45:04,095 --> 00:45:06,094 This is bigger than me. 865 00:45:07,134 --> 00:45:10,333 You could have brought down the whole Guardian newspaper with this one. 866 00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,393 But what a way to go. 867 00:45:13,493 --> 00:45:16,952 I mean, consider the glory. 868 00:45:17,052 --> 00:45:23,271 I, Nick Davies, have destroyed, utterly destroyed 869 00:45:23,371 --> 00:45:26,570 close to 200 years of journalistic endeavour, 870 00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:30,949 You're an absolute... God. 871 00:45:31,049 --> 00:45:32,829 God, I can't even think what you are. 872 00:45:32,929 --> 00:45:34,928 You're awful. 873 00:45:36,808 --> 00:45:40,827 You know what Peter Preston told me when I took over the editor's desk? 874 00:45:40,927 --> 00:45:42,907 Why in hell did they choose you? 875 00:45:43,007 --> 00:45:45,006 Don't join the club. 876 00:45:45,526 --> 00:45:47,266 He had to make adjustments to the paper 877 00:45:47,366 --> 00:45:50,105 after the move from Manchester, and he didn't... 878 00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:55,024 well, he wouldn't be part of the media cabal. 879 00:45:55,124 --> 00:45:57,544 He liked being on the edge of Fleet Street. 880 00:45:57,644 --> 00:46:00,443 He considered it part of our DNA. 881 00:46:01,803 --> 00:46:04,002 Last night in bed, I realised something. 882 00:46:05,202 --> 00:46:08,421 What you've done bringing us here, 883 00:46:08,521 --> 00:46:11,561 is in the line of great Guardian coups. 884 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,880 But I do want to keep the newspaper I've been entrusted with alive. 885 00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,299 Are you reading the statement? 886 00:46:20,399 --> 00:46:22,398 No. 887 00:46:22,878 --> 00:46:24,878 But I do have things to say. 888 00:46:27,877 --> 00:46:30,697 If you go too far, I will squeeze your leg 889 00:46:30,797 --> 00:46:32,796 and you will stop. 890 00:46:33,796 --> 00:46:35,796 I have a paper to protect. 891 00:46:36,795 --> 00:46:39,795 And you, be sure to protect yourself. 892 00:46:41,754 --> 00:46:43,494 Tin hats on. 893 00:46:43,594 --> 00:46:45,594 Thank you for joining us, gentlemen. 894 00:46:46,593 --> 00:46:47,733 Now we have a lot of questions, 895 00:46:47,833 --> 00:46:50,493 so try to keep opening statements short. 896 00:46:50,593 --> 00:46:52,792 I'd like to keep this whole experience quite short, if I may. 897 00:46:54,979 --> 00:46:58,218 But I do have... there is a lot for me to say. 898 00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:04,370 I'd like to start by showing you, first of all, 899 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:06,789 copies of an e-mail. 67280

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