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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from NaijaPrey.TV 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Download Latest Movies & Series on NaijaPrey.TV 3 00:00:23,506 --> 00:00:25,128 It was a quiet night for two 4 00:00:25,232 --> 00:00:27,165 lovers looking to get away. 5 00:00:27,268 --> 00:00:30,823 A full moon had risen, giving light to their hideaway 6 00:00:30,927 --> 00:00:32,894 on a deserted back road. 7 00:00:32,998 --> 00:00:36,967 They were all alone, just like they wanted it. 8 00:00:37,071 --> 00:00:38,935 But before these enamored youngsters 9 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,524 got too ahead of themselves, something 10 00:00:41,627 --> 00:00:42,628 interrupted their night. 11 00:00:51,879 --> 00:00:54,468 Despite her wishes, he gets out to see 12 00:00:54,571 --> 00:00:59,093 what could have made the sound, leaving her alone in the car. 13 00:00:59,197 --> 00:01:01,820 As the minutes tick slowly by, she 14 00:01:01,923 --> 00:01:04,685 begins to wonder what could be keeping him for so long. 15 00:01:14,626 --> 00:01:16,697 As she turned around to see what had happened, 16 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,390 she could hear the steps of whatever it was approaching. 17 00:01:23,876 --> 00:01:26,465 As it stepped into the light, she couldn't believe 18 00:01:26,569 --> 00:01:27,811 the horror she saw there. 19 00:01:31,332 --> 00:01:34,784 But then, looking down, she saw the worst thing of all. 20 00:01:51,559 --> 00:01:53,837 For as long as there have been 21 00:01:53,941 --> 00:01:56,254 humans, there have been stories. 22 00:01:58,946 --> 00:02:02,777 Stories meant to make sense of the chaos of the world 23 00:02:02,881 --> 00:02:05,815 and give meaning to some of its worst elements. 24 00:02:08,645 --> 00:02:11,993 Gods and heroes arise from these tales, 25 00:02:12,097 --> 00:02:15,480 giving character to the weather, the trees, 26 00:02:15,583 --> 00:02:18,138 and even our deepest desires. 27 00:02:22,003 --> 00:02:25,248 Few of these stories persist to this day. 28 00:02:25,352 --> 00:02:29,425 Science having replaced the old gods. 29 00:02:29,528 --> 00:02:33,291 Yet, even still, anomalies bleed through the fabric 30 00:02:33,394 --> 00:02:36,052 of our modern narratives. 31 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:41,022 Bigfoot, Dogman, the chupacabra, these creatures 32 00:02:41,126 --> 00:02:43,404 that haunt our nightmares come and go 33 00:02:43,508 --> 00:02:47,408 as they please, seemingly with no explanation, 34 00:02:47,512 --> 00:02:52,172 as either flesh and blood or something else. 35 00:02:56,072 --> 00:02:59,386 There are few stories that capture the imagination, 36 00:02:59,489 --> 00:03:03,838 like that of the Goatman, with the upper body of a man 37 00:03:03,942 --> 00:03:05,564 and the head of a goat. 38 00:03:05,668 --> 00:03:09,879 The creature stalks the halls of American folklore, lurking 39 00:03:09,982 --> 00:03:13,814 on dark backroads, waiting to attack hapless victims 40 00:03:13,917 --> 00:03:18,163 who venture down Lovers' lanes. 41 00:03:18,267 --> 00:03:22,650 So prolific are his deeds that the Goatman has been seen 42 00:03:22,754 --> 00:03:26,102 in virtually every state, waiting for his chance 43 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:30,071 to strike from his hiding place, leaving 44 00:03:30,175 --> 00:03:32,004 a bloody mess in his wake. 45 00:03:35,353 --> 00:03:40,358 The half-man, half-goat beast has many alleged origin stories, 46 00:03:40,461 --> 00:03:44,258 but none more encompassing than that of the Goatman of Prince 47 00:03:44,362 --> 00:03:47,019 George's County, Maryland. 48 00:03:47,123 --> 00:03:50,989 The Maryland Goatman is a figure 49 00:03:51,092 --> 00:03:55,856 that was first discovered, quote unquote, in the 1970s-- 50 00:03:55,959 --> 00:03:57,996 I want to say 1971-- 51 00:03:58,099 --> 00:04:01,896 when a reporter ran across a paper that had been filed 52 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,968 with The Maryland Folklore Archive 53 00:04:05,072 --> 00:04:08,455 that talked about a Goatman figure 54 00:04:08,558 --> 00:04:13,598 that occupied an area around Prince's County, Maryland. 55 00:04:17,015 --> 00:04:20,432 You know the different iterations of the Goatman 56 00:04:20,536 --> 00:04:24,091 itself, its origins and so forth, were pretty varied. 57 00:04:24,194 --> 00:04:25,817 But essentially, you had a Goatman 58 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,889 in that area that had been blamed for the death 59 00:04:28,992 --> 00:04:32,099 and dismemberment of dogs, would often 60 00:04:32,202 --> 00:04:35,067 terrorize couples that had been parked 61 00:04:35,171 --> 00:04:37,725 in a Lovers' Lane-type area. 62 00:04:37,829 --> 00:04:40,970 And over time, different origin stories were 63 00:04:41,073 --> 00:04:44,836 proposed for this creature. 64 00:04:44,939 --> 00:04:46,872 The most popular revolves around a place known 65 00:04:46,976 --> 00:04:50,290 as the Beltsville agricultural Research Center, 66 00:04:50,393 --> 00:04:53,707 which is a facility about 10 miles from Fletchertown Road, 67 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:55,985 where, allegedly, they do different types 68 00:04:56,088 --> 00:04:58,298 of experimentation and development 69 00:04:58,401 --> 00:05:01,162 of new types of livestock breeds, different types 70 00:05:01,266 --> 00:05:02,923 of cows and pigs and so forth. 71 00:05:03,026 --> 00:05:05,408 And so there's a story that there was a mad scientist there 72 00:05:05,512 --> 00:05:09,309 who was either experimenting with combining human and goat 73 00:05:09,412 --> 00:05:13,313 DNA, or there was some type of horrible accident 74 00:05:13,416 --> 00:05:15,832 to which this scientist actually evolved into one 75 00:05:15,936 --> 00:05:19,836 of these goat-like creatures. 76 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:23,392 The Maryland goat man is an interesting case, 77 00:05:23,495 --> 00:05:27,465 because it's one of those goat man urban legend stories 78 00:05:27,568 --> 00:05:30,468 that has a variety of explanations for it. 79 00:05:30,571 --> 00:05:33,436 Most of these Goatman stories have some kind of myth 80 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:35,576 that seems to be at the root of them, 81 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,164 trying to explain where they came from 82 00:05:37,267 --> 00:05:38,579 and how they got started. 83 00:05:38,683 --> 00:05:41,720 And the Maryland Goatman is one that has different explanations, 84 00:05:41,824 --> 00:05:44,827 depending on who you ask and what the version of the story is 85 00:05:44,930 --> 00:05:47,485 And that, to me, is what sticks out about this case, the most, 86 00:05:47,588 --> 00:05:48,900 because you have the version where 87 00:05:49,003 --> 00:05:51,281 it was a circus sideshow attraction that 88 00:05:51,385 --> 00:05:53,007 escaped from its confinement. 89 00:05:53,111 --> 00:05:55,631 In some versions, after lightning struck its cage. 90 00:05:55,734 --> 00:05:57,218 There's the theory that it could be 91 00:05:57,322 --> 00:05:59,876 the result of a goat farmer crossbreeding 92 00:05:59,980 --> 00:06:01,222 with one of his own goats. 93 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:07,781 The really interesting version to me is that-- 94 00:06:07,884 --> 00:06:12,026 A doctor, Steven Fletcher, was experimenting with the DNA 95 00:06:12,130 --> 00:06:15,271 of an assistant, along with goats, 96 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:19,724 and there was a terrible accident that caused him to be 97 00:06:19,827 --> 00:06:25,108 transformed into this human-goat hybrid creature that has 98 00:06:25,212 --> 00:06:28,077 since terrorized the locals around 99 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:31,391 Beltsville and Bowie, Maryland. 100 00:06:31,494 --> 00:06:33,462 The interesting thing about this one 101 00:06:33,565 --> 00:06:36,292 is that the USDA actually had to make a public statement 102 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,501 saying, this is factually not true, 103 00:06:38,605 --> 00:06:40,330 because the rumors had spread so far 104 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:42,332 and the story had picked up so much traction. 105 00:06:47,648 --> 00:06:49,063 CRAIG WOOLHEATER Though 106 00:06:49,167 --> 00:06:52,239 clouded in various science fiction origin stories, 107 00:06:52,342 --> 00:06:57,451 to residents of Bowie, the Maryland Goatman was very real. 108 00:06:57,555 --> 00:07:00,489 Just one week following the initial article breaking 109 00:07:00,592 --> 00:07:03,112 the story of the Goatman, three teens 110 00:07:03,215 --> 00:07:06,391 heard strange noises coming from the woods near their homes. 111 00:07:07,496 --> 00:07:09,946 One even reported seeing the animal, 112 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:13,709 describing it as six feet tall, covered in hair, 113 00:07:13,812 --> 00:07:16,194 and standing on two legs. 114 00:07:16,297 --> 00:07:17,920 It made a high-pitched sound. 115 00:07:20,025 --> 00:07:22,165 The following morning, they discovered 116 00:07:22,269 --> 00:07:24,133 their puppy was missing. 117 00:07:24,236 --> 00:07:28,033 After searching, they found her body near some railroad tracks, 118 00:07:28,137 --> 00:07:30,657 with the head laying a few yards away. 119 00:07:34,315 --> 00:07:38,009 The story spread like wildfire, and soon teens 120 00:07:38,112 --> 00:07:41,668 all over Prince George's County were traveling to Fletchertown 121 00:07:41,771 --> 00:07:44,394 Road in an attempt to have an encounter 122 00:07:44,498 --> 00:07:46,880 with the Goatman of Bowie. 123 00:07:46,983 --> 00:07:50,608 So great was the pandemonium throughout the county, 124 00:07:50,711 --> 00:07:53,611 the story began to grow outside the state, 125 00:07:53,714 --> 00:07:58,132 and soon, everyone knew the Maryland Goatman. 126 00:07:58,236 --> 00:08:00,963 As the story spread, people attributed 127 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:05,070 more and more incidents to the goat-like entity. 128 00:08:05,174 --> 00:08:07,417 There was a young couple in Maryland who were recently 129 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:09,765 married, and they were driving home late one night 130 00:08:09,868 --> 00:08:12,561 and they had a flat tire. 131 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:17,082 So the husband steps out and tells the wife, 132 00:08:17,186 --> 00:08:18,221 please wait here. 133 00:08:18,325 --> 00:08:19,637 I'm just going to go get a tire, get help. 134 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:21,052 I'll be right back. 135 00:08:21,155 --> 00:08:25,021 Hours go by, and nothing. 136 00:08:25,125 --> 00:08:28,059 Next thing you know, she leans out of the window 137 00:08:28,162 --> 00:08:30,095 and sees a seven-foot-tall Goatman 138 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,064 standing on the car, bent over, and staring 139 00:08:33,167 --> 00:08:34,548 down into the window. 140 00:08:34,652 --> 00:08:37,413 She rolls up the window, terrified, starts screaming, 141 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:40,796 and just eventually the Goatman walks away. 142 00:08:40,899 --> 00:08:44,869 She passes out out of exhaustion and fear, 143 00:08:44,972 --> 00:08:47,527 wakes up the next morning, still no husband. 144 00:08:47,630 --> 00:08:49,114 But it's daylight out, so she decides 145 00:08:49,218 --> 00:08:50,460 that she's going to go for a walk 146 00:08:50,564 --> 00:08:53,325 and see if she can track down her husband. 147 00:08:53,429 --> 00:08:55,638 She got about 40 feet away from the car 148 00:08:55,742 --> 00:08:58,399 and found the remains of her husband. 149 00:08:58,503 --> 00:09:01,989 Head had been completely ripped off, most of the limbs 150 00:09:02,093 --> 00:09:04,578 were severely mangled. 151 00:09:04,682 --> 00:09:07,167 I've tried really, really hard to dig 152 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:09,514 up irrefutable proof on this. 153 00:09:09,618 --> 00:09:14,174 I've yet to be able to find any actual police reports on this. 154 00:09:14,277 --> 00:09:16,521 And this is a troublesome part when it comes to Goatman, 155 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:21,146 is there's a lot of stories, but they're usually 156 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:23,459 told from person to person. 157 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:26,876 There's not really a whole lot of actual documentation on it. 158 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:29,534 The presence of Goatman stories, 159 00:09:29,638 --> 00:09:34,919 like the one previously shared, do not exist in a vacuum. 160 00:09:35,022 --> 00:09:39,751 Commonly referred to as Lovers' Lane Stories, these tales 161 00:09:39,855 --> 00:09:42,098 take place in areas where people go 162 00:09:42,202 --> 00:09:45,999 to be intimate with each other in a semi-public setting, 163 00:09:46,102 --> 00:09:49,209 and there is certainly no shortage of them. 164 00:09:49,312 --> 00:09:52,695 It's usually some remote parking spot 165 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,043 on the outskirts of town, down by the railroad tracks, 166 00:09:56,147 --> 00:09:58,011 under the bridge, someplace where they can have 167 00:09:58,114 --> 00:10:00,254 a limited amount of privacy. 168 00:10:00,358 --> 00:10:03,257 Also, of course, people go to drink and tell stories. 169 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:09,712 The most famous legends besides the Goatman legend 170 00:10:09,816 --> 00:10:13,371 is the dead boyfriend legend, where, of course, 171 00:10:13,474 --> 00:10:18,721 the teenage couple are getting intimate in a car, 172 00:10:18,825 --> 00:10:19,722 there's a noise. 173 00:10:19,826 --> 00:10:21,413 The boyfriend goes out to investigate 174 00:10:21,517 --> 00:10:23,830 and he doesn't come back. 175 00:10:23,933 --> 00:10:26,039 The girlfriend goes to check what happened, 176 00:10:26,142 --> 00:10:29,732 and he's usually hung from a tree limb above the car. 177 00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:31,423 And then, of course, there's the hookman 178 00:10:31,527 --> 00:10:35,324 legend, that's the other famous Lovers' Lane legend. 179 00:10:35,427 --> 00:10:37,706 A couple parked out on a Lovers' Lane. 180 00:10:37,809 --> 00:10:41,813 The radio is still on, and there's a special bulletin 181 00:10:41,917 --> 00:10:44,126 that's made about an escaped convict who 182 00:10:44,229 --> 00:10:46,473 is menacing the neighborhood, in which 183 00:10:46,576 --> 00:10:48,440 this couple finds themselves. 184 00:10:48,544 --> 00:10:52,962 And about the same time, there's a loud scratching that's 185 00:10:53,066 --> 00:10:58,071 heard on the side of the vehicle on the-- typically, 186 00:10:58,174 --> 00:11:01,143 the guy is driving, then the gal is in the other seat, 187 00:11:01,246 --> 00:11:03,248 and it's on her side of the car. 188 00:11:03,352 --> 00:11:05,768 And some detail that comes through on the radio. 189 00:11:05,872 --> 00:11:07,667 Is that the escaped convict in question 190 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:09,841 has one hook for a hand. 191 00:11:09,945 --> 00:11:12,326 And this is all too much for both of them, 192 00:11:12,430 --> 00:11:16,399 they freak out and drive away at a fast rate of speed. 193 00:11:16,503 --> 00:11:20,196 Getting back to her home, where she's safely 194 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:23,027 deposited back in the friendly confines. 195 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:26,030 But assuming that he's at least somewhat of a gentleman, 196 00:11:26,133 --> 00:11:29,102 he comes around the other side of the car to open it for her, 197 00:11:29,205 --> 00:11:32,761 and there, hanging on the handle of the car door, 198 00:11:32,864 --> 00:11:36,212 is a disembodied hook. 199 00:11:36,316 --> 00:11:39,906 So making it that the sound that they heard was evidently this 200 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:43,806 escaped convict scratching at the car, trying to get in. 201 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:46,153 I think we have to consider the possibility 202 00:11:46,257 --> 00:11:50,261 that we sometimes have a confluence of different types 203 00:11:50,364 --> 00:11:53,574 of urban legends or campfire tales that come together, 204 00:11:53,678 --> 00:11:56,474 particularly in rural areas, and particularly 205 00:11:56,577 --> 00:11:58,269 in these remote Lovers' Lane areas, 206 00:11:58,372 --> 00:12:01,721 where teenagers go and park at night, where they like to spook 207 00:12:01,824 --> 00:12:03,481 each other and tell stories. 208 00:12:03,584 --> 00:12:08,693 So at some point the Goatman and the serial killer, the hook, 209 00:12:08,797 --> 00:12:12,110 those ideas kind of converged. 210 00:12:12,214 --> 00:12:14,526 Folklorists actually call him a Lovers' Lane 211 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:18,151 Monster because his legends exist almost exclusively 212 00:12:18,254 --> 00:12:22,120 in places like this where teenagers or someone 213 00:12:22,224 --> 00:12:24,951 of the like gathering. 214 00:12:25,054 --> 00:12:28,644 There's a lot of sightings that happen in locations that aren't 215 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:31,440 like this, where there's no Goatman legend, 216 00:12:31,543 --> 00:12:33,511 but people say they see creatures like it. 217 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,583 So I think a lot of the locations where he's 218 00:12:36,686 --> 00:12:39,241 near railroad tracks or bridges could 219 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:44,936 just be the more sensational folklorist-type stories. 220 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,697 The fact that Goatman is associated with Lovers' Lane 221 00:12:47,801 --> 00:12:52,841 areas, I think, speaks to his sort of folkloric role 222 00:12:52,944 --> 00:12:56,879 as a kind of agent of judgment. 223 00:12:56,983 --> 00:12:59,399 And you see this playing out in a variety 224 00:12:59,502 --> 00:13:01,504 of ways, like in the case of the Pope 225 00:13:01,608 --> 00:13:03,990 Lick Monster and the Trestle. 226 00:13:04,093 --> 00:13:06,095 He's an agent of judgment in the sense 227 00:13:06,199 --> 00:13:09,858 that he's punishing you for bad decision making. 228 00:13:09,961 --> 00:13:14,724 It's a bad idea to climb out on this active train trestle 229 00:13:14,828 --> 00:13:17,797 when you could get run down by a freight train 230 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,971 that you can't possibly escape. 231 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:32,432 Well, in the case of a Lovers' Lane, 232 00:13:32,535 --> 00:13:34,641 it's not quite the same thing, but you 233 00:13:34,744 --> 00:13:38,093 are very much capable of poor decision making 234 00:13:38,196 --> 00:13:40,543 out there in Lovers' Lane. 235 00:13:40,647 --> 00:13:45,410 And maybe a couple drinks in and you're out there with your loved 236 00:13:45,514 --> 00:13:48,448 one, and one thing leads to another, 237 00:13:48,551 --> 00:13:52,935 and here comes the Goatman to be that agent of judgment, 238 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:55,765 to say, hey, kids, you break it up 239 00:13:55,869 --> 00:13:59,769 unless you want some unintended consequences to deal with. 240 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:02,427 Here, let me pound on your car hood 241 00:14:02,531 --> 00:14:04,740 to make sure that you get out of here in time. 242 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:08,192 So I think he does play that function. 243 00:14:08,295 --> 00:14:10,642 If a person is entertaining Goatman as sort 244 00:14:10,746 --> 00:14:13,438 of an actual flesh and blood cryptid, 245 00:14:13,542 --> 00:14:15,544 then there's also the added dimension that most 246 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:17,822 Lovers Lanes are remote. 247 00:14:17,926 --> 00:14:20,204 You're going out there because you don't want to be 248 00:14:20,307 --> 00:14:21,861 bothered in the first place. 249 00:14:21,964 --> 00:14:23,586 So where are you going to seek out? 250 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:25,416 Well, it's not going to be a populated area. 251 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,453 It's going to be a Lovers' Lane, a darkened area, 252 00:14:28,557 --> 00:14:34,011 and a place in near the woods that you hope is not detectable. 253 00:14:34,114 --> 00:14:36,599 And those are often those liminal areas 254 00:14:36,703 --> 00:14:40,880 that are also associated with all manner of cryptid sightings. 255 00:14:45,229 --> 00:14:46,402 CRAIG WOOLHEATER The Goatman 256 00:14:46,506 --> 00:14:50,613 is not always relegated to the Lovers' Lane, however. 257 00:14:50,717 --> 00:14:53,513 Traveling from the East Coast, another Goatman 258 00:14:53,616 --> 00:14:58,414 legend emerges, this time in the sun-baked hills of California. 259 00:15:03,661 --> 00:15:08,079 So the Billiwhack Ranch is a former dairy farm that's located 260 00:15:08,183 --> 00:15:09,943 in Santa Paula, California. 261 00:15:10,047 --> 00:15:14,361 It is home to, supposedly, the Billiwhack Monster, 262 00:15:14,465 --> 00:15:19,056 a humanoid-looking creature that has Goatman-like features, 263 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:22,335 giant horns, and is reported to even carry around a club, 264 00:15:22,438 --> 00:15:25,994 that's violent in nature, tends to attack people that 265 00:15:26,097 --> 00:15:29,756 come across it, and the cryptid story of this 266 00:15:29,859 --> 00:15:31,689 is a little bit more mysterious than what 267 00:15:31,792 --> 00:15:35,762 you typically get in most original cryptid stories. 268 00:15:35,865 --> 00:15:37,798 It has numerous parallels 269 00:15:37,902 --> 00:15:42,320 to the Goatman of Maryland, and what I mean 270 00:15:42,424 --> 00:15:47,912 is that Ventura, California is the basic area 271 00:15:48,016 --> 00:15:49,327 involving Billiwhack. 272 00:15:49,431 --> 00:15:53,021 There's a Billiwhack farms that became established at that time 273 00:15:53,124 --> 00:15:55,368 that it wasn't immediately evident, 274 00:15:55,471 --> 00:15:58,819 but as time elapsed and people dug into the history 275 00:15:58,923 --> 00:16:01,512 of this location, that facility, there 276 00:16:01,615 --> 00:16:04,618 appeared to have been possible CIA 277 00:16:04,722 --> 00:16:09,106 ties to at least the person who was instrumental in founding 278 00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:11,384 the farm site. 279 00:16:11,487 --> 00:16:13,420 So August Rubel is an interesting guy. 280 00:16:13,524 --> 00:16:14,490 He's a pretty smart guy. 281 00:16:14,594 --> 00:16:16,216 One of the things that comes up about him 282 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,288 pretty often is that he's from Europe. 283 00:16:19,392 --> 00:16:21,221 He's Swiss. 284 00:16:21,325 --> 00:16:23,879 So this is a guy that majored in chemical engineering. 285 00:16:23,983 --> 00:16:26,088 This is something that's going to come up in the Billy 286 00:16:26,192 --> 00:16:27,572 whack monster story. 287 00:16:27,676 --> 00:16:31,749 But he also has apparent ties to the OSS, which 288 00:16:31,852 --> 00:16:33,820 is a precursor to the CIA. 289 00:16:33,923 --> 00:16:36,443 It stands for the Office of Strategic Services. 290 00:16:36,547 --> 00:16:37,997 So this is an interesting guy. 291 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:41,828 He has government ties, chemical engineering ties, 292 00:16:41,931 --> 00:16:43,933 and now he's associated with what 293 00:16:44,037 --> 00:16:48,731 is supposedly a humanoid monster that roamed around his ranch. 294 00:16:51,976 --> 00:16:55,497 Now, the original story involves August Ruble, and with 295 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,016 his chemical engineering background, 296 00:16:57,119 --> 00:17:01,399 was trying to manufacture a super soldier using goat DNA, 297 00:17:01,503 --> 00:17:04,782 and building an indestructible force that can 298 00:17:04,885 --> 00:17:08,337 be utilized in World War II. 299 00:17:08,441 --> 00:17:09,994 That's story A. 300 00:17:10,098 --> 00:17:12,893 Story B is that ruble was more of almost 301 00:17:12,997 --> 00:17:15,172 like a James Bond-type of character, 302 00:17:15,275 --> 00:17:17,864 where he went off during World War II 303 00:17:17,967 --> 00:17:20,763 and rounded up Nazi scientists that Hitler 304 00:17:20,867 --> 00:17:24,940 was utilizing to build his own version of a super soldier. 305 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,494 And he rounded those guys up, brought them back 306 00:17:27,598 --> 00:17:30,152 to Santa Paula, to the Billiwhack Ranch, 307 00:17:30,256 --> 00:17:33,845 and utilized utilize their knowledge to build 308 00:17:33,949 --> 00:17:37,263 the Billiwhack Monster. 309 00:17:37,366 --> 00:17:39,989 And at some point, the monster escaped, 310 00:17:40,093 --> 00:17:43,096 killing many of the scientists, and now 311 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,170 runs free in the Aliso Canyon near the Billiwhack Ranch. 312 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:55,039 And so what you had were 313 00:17:55,143 --> 00:17:59,112 a couple scattered tales of a Goatman-type figure being seen. 314 00:17:59,216 --> 00:18:01,632 In one case, by hikers who felt that they 315 00:18:01,735 --> 00:18:06,154 were being trailed by a half-man, half-goat figure. 316 00:18:06,257 --> 00:18:09,502 And so that traces back to this idea 317 00:18:09,605 --> 00:18:14,127 of a pseudoscientific origin for the Goatman, 318 00:18:14,231 --> 00:18:17,165 in that regard, that I see the parallels 319 00:18:17,268 --> 00:18:21,962 between Ventura, California and Maryland, as far as origins go. 320 00:18:24,482 --> 00:18:25,828 It's one of the oldest ones that 321 00:18:25,932 --> 00:18:27,830 I've seen reported in newspapers, 322 00:18:27,934 --> 00:18:30,281 I think goes back to the '50s. 323 00:18:30,385 --> 00:18:33,836 A lot of the Goatman stories cropped up in the '70s, at least 324 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:35,079 in papers. 325 00:18:35,183 --> 00:18:37,081 They may have been talked about by locals many, 326 00:18:37,185 --> 00:18:38,703 many, many decades before that. 327 00:18:38,807 --> 00:18:40,843 The oldest sighting I could find dates 328 00:18:40,947 --> 00:18:45,607 back to 1912, seen by a herd of cowboys wandering 329 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:47,643 the Aliso Canyon area. 330 00:18:47,747 --> 00:18:49,921 There wasn't much more to it. 331 00:18:50,025 --> 00:18:53,718 Finding the actual cited sources to that story 332 00:18:53,822 --> 00:18:55,341 were a little tough to find. 333 00:18:55,444 --> 00:18:56,411 I couldn't really do it. 334 00:18:56,514 --> 00:18:58,965 It was a lot of just copy and paste, copy 335 00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:01,485 and paste, which is pretty common in this era 336 00:19:01,588 --> 00:19:03,038 with the internet. 337 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:07,387 So that would actually predate August Rubel even purchasing 338 00:19:07,491 --> 00:19:12,116 the Billiwhack Ranch, setting up his dairy farm infrastructure. 339 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:13,911 And that would actually more suggest, 340 00:19:14,014 --> 00:19:16,293 too, the Billiwchack Monster predating 341 00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:18,709 any of these World War II ties. 342 00:19:21,988 --> 00:19:23,300 CRAIG WOOLHEATER Both 343 00:19:23,403 --> 00:19:25,371 the story of the Goatman of Bowie 344 00:19:25,474 --> 00:19:29,892 and the Beast of Billiwhack feature genetic experimentation 345 00:19:29,996 --> 00:19:32,964 as explanations for their origins, 346 00:19:33,068 --> 00:19:37,072 but few people would give that theory any merit. 347 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:40,282 As far as these stories about genetic experimentation 348 00:19:40,386 --> 00:19:43,527 at an agricultural center and half-man, 349 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:46,702 half-goat being created, my first question is a critical 350 00:19:46,806 --> 00:19:48,428 thinker would be, why? 351 00:19:48,532 --> 00:19:52,467 What would be the advantage of creating a half-man, half-goat. 352 00:19:52,570 --> 00:19:55,366 And I think it almost it seems to draw off 353 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:58,749 of a very famous story called The Island of Doctor Moreau, 354 00:19:58,852 --> 00:20:01,476 by HG Wells, the great sci-fi writer. 355 00:20:01,579 --> 00:20:04,133 And in that particular story, there's a mad scientist 356 00:20:04,237 --> 00:20:06,515 on an island, and he's experimenting with splicing 357 00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:08,379 human genes with animal genes. 358 00:20:08,483 --> 00:20:10,001 And in fact, one of the creatures 359 00:20:10,105 --> 00:20:11,900 was a half-man, half-goat. 360 00:20:12,003 --> 00:20:15,283 So I think that idea, that seed, was kind of planted deep 361 00:20:15,386 --> 00:20:17,940 in our unconscious minds, and that may 362 00:20:18,044 --> 00:20:21,530 have had an influence as well. 363 00:20:21,634 --> 00:20:23,705 Genetic experimentation is something 364 00:20:23,808 --> 00:20:26,535 I don't know enough about to say that, 365 00:20:26,639 --> 00:20:28,227 yeah, that makes sense to me. 366 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:31,230 I do just very loosely and anecdotally, 367 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:35,268 that scientists have attempted to cross human and primate DNA 368 00:20:35,372 --> 00:20:37,615 and that they were not successful in doing so. 369 00:20:37,719 --> 00:20:42,344 So if they were somehow able to cross goat and human DNA, 370 00:20:42,448 --> 00:20:45,382 that would speak to a level of technological sophistication 371 00:20:45,485 --> 00:20:48,350 that is beyond me, certainly, and I 372 00:20:48,454 --> 00:20:53,044 think is beyond our present scientific capability. 373 00:20:53,148 --> 00:20:56,220 So I think that concept of combining humans 374 00:20:56,324 --> 00:20:58,533 with other animals through scientific experimentation 375 00:20:58,636 --> 00:20:59,810 is very interesting to people. 376 00:20:59,913 --> 00:21:02,916 It's got this cool sci-fi quality. 377 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:06,955 But in terms of how genetics actually works and ultimately 378 00:21:07,058 --> 00:21:11,028 motivation and why someone would do something like that, 379 00:21:11,131 --> 00:21:13,168 I think it's a big problem. 380 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,756 CRAIG WOOLHEATER Although 381 00:21:14,859 --> 00:21:17,724 no power-crazed scientists may have created 382 00:21:17,828 --> 00:21:22,211 a human-goat chimera, there are other versions of the Goatman 383 00:21:22,315 --> 00:21:24,800 that may offer different explanations 384 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:27,700 for the mysterious creature's origins. 385 00:21:27,803 --> 00:21:29,288 Good evening, Fort Worth. 386 00:21:29,391 --> 00:21:31,255 We interrupt our regular programming 387 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,362 to bring you an extraordinary report from Lake Worth. 388 00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:38,814 In an unprecedented event last night, on July 10, 1969, 389 00:21:38,918 --> 00:21:41,645 several residents claimed to have witnessed a creature dubbed 390 00:21:41,748 --> 00:21:43,302 "The Lake Worth Monster." 391 00:21:43,405 --> 00:21:47,167 Reports described the beast as a half-man, half-goat hybrid, 392 00:21:47,271 --> 00:21:49,687 standing over seven feet tall with fur, 393 00:21:49,791 --> 00:21:51,551 scales, and large horns. 394 00:21:51,655 --> 00:21:54,278 Witnesses, including teenagers who were at the lake, 395 00:21:54,382 --> 00:21:56,418 say the monster leaped onto a car, 396 00:21:56,522 --> 00:21:58,938 denting its roof before vanishing into the dark. 397 00:22:01,803 --> 00:22:05,220 The original encounter with the Lake Worth Goatman 398 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:07,636 occurred in July of 1969, when two 399 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:10,881 couples were parked at the Greer Island Nature Center one night. 400 00:22:10,984 --> 00:22:13,159 And they claimed that this creature actually jumped out 401 00:22:13,262 --> 00:22:15,264 of a tree, onto the roof of their car, 402 00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,301 attempted to abduct one of the women, 403 00:22:17,405 --> 00:22:18,854 and ended up scratching their car. 404 00:22:18,958 --> 00:22:20,546 And they were so terrified that they 405 00:22:20,649 --> 00:22:22,237 immediately drove to the Sheriff's Office 406 00:22:22,341 --> 00:22:23,825 and reported their encounter. 407 00:22:23,928 --> 00:22:27,346 The next night, there were 40 people out 408 00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:30,659 searching for the monster, and allegedly, 409 00:22:30,763 --> 00:22:32,972 in front of about 30 or 40 eyewitnesses, 410 00:22:33,075 --> 00:22:36,216 this creature appeared on a bluff, picked up a spare tire 411 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,841 and hurled it at the crowd, and it bounced about 500 feet. 412 00:22:39,944 --> 00:22:42,326 Now, what's interesting is that the creature was described 413 00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:45,812 as being a white color, but the initial description, 414 00:22:45,916 --> 00:22:49,264 the two couples said that it was a scaly Goatman, 415 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:51,300 whatever that means, and so ultimately 416 00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:53,130 became known as the Goatman. 417 00:22:53,233 --> 00:22:54,752 But then later on, people said it 418 00:22:54,856 --> 00:22:57,341 had more of like a gorilla-like look to it. 419 00:22:57,445 --> 00:23:00,240 Strange thing about the tire throwing incident with regard 420 00:23:00,344 --> 00:23:02,173 to the Lake Worth Monster is the fact 421 00:23:02,277 --> 00:23:06,902 that it evidently happened with so many eyewitnesses involved. 422 00:23:07,006 --> 00:23:09,802 Between 40 and 50 people, evidently, 423 00:23:09,905 --> 00:23:12,321 were at the rim of this pit. 424 00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:16,705 But all the stories in the paper and in Clark's book report 425 00:23:16,809 --> 00:23:23,643 that the creature threw this tire 500 feet at a rate of speed 426 00:23:23,747 --> 00:23:27,026 that caused everyone to immediately scatter and leave 427 00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,477 the vicinity, because they would have been killed 428 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,824 had it hit them. 429 00:23:31,927 --> 00:23:34,274 With such a dramatic entrance 430 00:23:34,378 --> 00:23:38,244 for the Lake Worth Goatman, and with so many witnesses, 431 00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:41,350 law enforcement felt pressured to provide answers. 432 00:23:45,872 --> 00:23:48,668 When law enforcement is brought into the picture, which 433 00:23:48,772 --> 00:23:52,396 is relatively right away, I mean, the first stories 434 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,986 that were filed that appeared in the local newspaper 435 00:23:56,089 --> 00:23:58,333 were within a couple days of each other. 436 00:24:05,582 --> 00:24:07,756 The law enforcement took the stance 437 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:12,451 that it was an escaped bobcat, that a bobcat had been released 438 00:24:12,554 --> 00:24:16,040 into the wild by their owner, and had taken up residence 439 00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:20,976 in the Greer Island Area and was in the habit of going up 440 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,222 into trees and dropping down onto unassuming people, 441 00:24:25,325 --> 00:24:28,536 especially seem to like landing on cars for whatever reason, 442 00:24:28,639 --> 00:24:29,951 and then scratching them up. 443 00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:34,507 That was their explanation to many of these sightings. 444 00:24:34,611 --> 00:24:36,371 CRAIG WOOLHEATER The newspapers 445 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,512 didn't seem interested in following up on the story 446 00:24:39,616 --> 00:24:42,446 beyond the incredible tire throwing incident, 447 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:45,691 and many people were content to explain it all away 448 00:24:45,794 --> 00:24:47,900 as the work of pranksters. 449 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:51,904 And that would have been the end of the Lake Worth Monster saga, 450 00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,907 if it weren't for Sallie Ann Clark. 451 00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:58,151 After reading about the incidents in the Fort Worth Star 452 00:24:58,255 --> 00:25:01,051 Telegram, Clark made her way to Greer island 453 00:25:01,154 --> 00:25:04,054 to investigate for herself. 454 00:25:04,157 --> 00:25:07,057 Armed with a camera and a cassette tape recorder, 455 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,681 Clark proceeded to interview dozens of witnesses who claimed 456 00:25:10,785 --> 00:25:13,235 to have encountered the beast. 457 00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:15,652 She then compiled the information, 458 00:25:15,755 --> 00:25:19,414 along with her own observations, into a self-published book 459 00:25:19,518 --> 00:25:21,899 titled The Lake Worth Monster of Greer 460 00:25:22,003 --> 00:25:30,701 Island, Fort Worth, Texas, which was released in September 1969. 461 00:25:30,805 --> 00:25:32,738 All I can tell you about Sallie Ann Clark 462 00:25:32,841 --> 00:25:34,947 is what she reveals in her book. 463 00:25:35,050 --> 00:25:39,883 And so she is a self-described private investigator 464 00:25:39,986 --> 00:25:41,678 and freelance writer. 465 00:25:41,781 --> 00:25:45,889 And what else she was doing beyond that, I have no idea. 466 00:25:45,992 --> 00:25:49,409 But that is the angle that she takes in her book, 467 00:25:49,513 --> 00:25:52,033 and it's a very interesting read. 468 00:25:52,136 --> 00:25:58,453 She goes around in the book describing her random driving 469 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:01,042 from one location to another, especially 470 00:26:01,145 --> 00:26:04,045 in the vicinity of Greer Island, collecting reports 471 00:26:04,148 --> 00:26:08,049 from individuals, some of which are extremely dramatic stories. 472 00:26:08,152 --> 00:26:10,534 In one case, in the flow of the book, 473 00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:14,020 talks about meeting this young eight, nine-year-old boy 474 00:26:14,124 --> 00:26:16,609 on Greer Island, getting a report 475 00:26:16,713 --> 00:26:21,718 from him that the Lake Worth Monster had killed his cousin. 476 00:26:21,821 --> 00:26:26,136 In detail, she goes into this story about the Lake Worth 477 00:26:26,239 --> 00:26:27,931 Monster swinging through the trees 478 00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:30,692 with his cousin in his arms and then 479 00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:33,246 throwing them, throwing his cousin at a car, 480 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,386 effectively killing him. 481 00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:38,458 And that same boy that she had talked to 482 00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:40,115 falls asleep on a rock. 483 00:26:40,219 --> 00:26:41,841 She wonders, what do I do with this kid, 484 00:26:41,945 --> 00:26:43,843 because it's not her child. 485 00:26:43,947 --> 00:26:45,811 And that as she's wondering what to do, 486 00:26:45,914 --> 00:26:48,917 she hears the sounds of the Lake Worth Monster approaching her. 487 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:53,301 She climbs up in a tree and watches as the Lake Worth 488 00:26:53,404 --> 00:26:56,062 monster approaches this boy, who's still asleep, 489 00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:59,238 and it scratches the child's cheek 490 00:26:59,341 --> 00:27:02,759 and then wakes up, sees the monster, 491 00:27:02,862 --> 00:27:06,797 and calls out to Sallie Ann, who's up in the tree. 492 00:27:06,901 --> 00:27:10,939 "Lady, lady, I'm seeing the monster that I told you about." 493 00:27:11,043 --> 00:27:13,873 And then after that whole incident wraps up, 494 00:27:13,977 --> 00:27:17,049 she goes to the diner and has a piece of pie. 495 00:27:17,152 --> 00:27:18,533 It's very bizarre. 496 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:21,570 And to this day, I don't really know 497 00:27:21,674 --> 00:27:24,608 how to take that bit of writing, because she 498 00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:28,129 presents it as factual, take it or leave it. 499 00:27:28,232 --> 00:27:30,925 And it's sort of Gonzo journalism 500 00:27:31,028 --> 00:27:34,687 before that phrase was even coined, I think. 501 00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:37,241 After Sallie Ann Clark's venture 502 00:27:37,345 --> 00:27:40,969 into the case, another notable researcher dug into the Monster 503 00:27:41,073 --> 00:27:42,833 of Lake Worth's story. 504 00:27:42,937 --> 00:27:44,110 Ken Gerhard. 505 00:27:44,214 --> 00:27:46,112 I first investigated the Lake Worth 506 00:27:46,216 --> 00:27:49,391 Goatman about 20 years ago, 2004, 507 00:27:49,495 --> 00:27:51,911 along with another researcher named Nick Redfern. 508 00:27:52,015 --> 00:27:54,293 We went to the Greer Island Nature Center. 509 00:27:54,396 --> 00:27:57,745 We found The Bluff, the area where it supposedly threw a tire 510 00:27:57,848 --> 00:28:00,023 at this crowd of people, and then we went out 511 00:28:00,126 --> 00:28:03,026 onto Greer island itself, which was said to be the haunt 512 00:28:03,129 --> 00:28:04,821 of this Goatman creature. 513 00:28:04,924 --> 00:28:08,997 And we did find a weird teepee-like structure. 514 00:28:09,101 --> 00:28:10,758 We found a large impression on the ground 515 00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:12,621 nearby where something had been laying down, 516 00:28:12,725 --> 00:28:15,901 and we also found the remains of a fish that had been half eaten. 517 00:28:16,004 --> 00:28:18,904 So since that time, I've been to that particular location 518 00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:20,629 a few different times. 519 00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:23,563 I looked around, I haven't found any significant evidence, 520 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:26,635 and in fact, I spoke to some of the park rangers 521 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:29,121 there and asked them about the monster legend, 522 00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:30,709 and they kind of tried to brush it off 523 00:28:30,812 --> 00:28:32,711 and say that it was probably a hoax, 524 00:28:32,814 --> 00:28:35,437 maybe someone dressed up in a costume and so forth. 525 00:28:35,541 --> 00:28:37,025 But it's worth noting that there were 526 00:28:37,129 --> 00:28:39,510 a lot of people that claimed to have seen this creature. 527 00:28:39,614 --> 00:28:42,237 But the Lake Worth monster is very-- 528 00:28:42,341 --> 00:28:45,033 is described, always, in very aggressive terms. 529 00:28:45,137 --> 00:28:48,485 Beating people against the side of their cars, one 530 00:28:48,588 --> 00:28:52,523 ex-military person that Clark allegedly 531 00:28:52,627 --> 00:28:55,147 spoke to who made a big deal out of the fact 532 00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:58,115 that he had purchased this convertible, 533 00:28:58,219 --> 00:28:59,738 and he was very proud of it. 534 00:28:59,841 --> 00:29:01,153 He mentions it a number of times, 535 00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:03,017 was driving around out on Greer Island, 536 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,088 before all these other reports hit, 537 00:29:05,191 --> 00:29:08,263 and he saw the monster bludgeoning 538 00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:12,958 this guy against the side of his car, almost apparently to death. 539 00:29:13,061 --> 00:29:16,858 And he said, I had far too much to drink at the time, 540 00:29:16,962 --> 00:29:18,791 but I sobered up on my way back to town 541 00:29:18,895 --> 00:29:21,483 because I was going 180, putting this car 542 00:29:21,587 --> 00:29:23,692 to-- taking it to its limits. 543 00:29:40,882 --> 00:29:42,401 CRAIG WOOLHEATER I myself 544 00:29:42,504 --> 00:29:45,542 have done extensive research into the story of the Lake Worth 545 00:29:45,645 --> 00:29:50,098 Monster, even finding witnesses who were only just now talking 546 00:29:50,202 --> 00:29:52,273 about their experiences. 547 00:29:52,376 --> 00:29:55,863 My own book, The Lake Worth The True Story 548 00:29:55,966 --> 00:29:59,625 of The Greer Island Goatman, delves both into the history 549 00:29:59,728 --> 00:30:03,353 of the case and the legacy it has built around my hometown 550 00:30:03,456 --> 00:30:05,217 of Fort Worth. 551 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,462 But the answers as to what the creature is or was 552 00:30:09,566 --> 00:30:11,948 remains a mystery. 553 00:30:12,051 --> 00:30:14,709 One theory, however, presents itself 554 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:18,299 most prominently in another encounter with the monster. 555 00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:22,717 The last alleged sighting occurred in November of 1969, 556 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,099 when a guy named Charles Buchanan was parked 557 00:30:25,202 --> 00:30:28,240 alongside Lake Worth, and he claimed the creature climbed up 558 00:30:28,343 --> 00:30:29,966 in the bed of his pickup truck and stole 559 00:30:30,069 --> 00:30:33,003 a bag of fried chicken, and then jumped in the lake and swam 560 00:30:33,107 --> 00:30:34,418 away. 561 00:30:34,522 --> 00:30:36,455 Before Buchanan left the scene, 562 00:30:36,558 --> 00:30:39,182 he spotted something on the ground, 563 00:30:39,285 --> 00:30:42,150 a footprint that resembled that of a human, 564 00:30:42,254 --> 00:30:46,085 yet it was 18 inches long. 565 00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:49,019 Cryptid enthusiasts would be quick to point out 566 00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:52,574 that a giant, human-shaped footprint might belong 567 00:30:52,678 --> 00:30:55,129 to something like a Sasquatch, rather 568 00:30:55,232 --> 00:30:56,751 than a goat-like creature. 569 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,305 And indeed, there seems to be a lot 570 00:30:59,409 --> 00:31:05,139 of Sasquatch activity in the areas surrounding Lake Worth. 571 00:31:05,242 --> 00:31:09,591 In the 1960s, newspapers reported run-ins with ape-like 572 00:31:09,695 --> 00:31:13,112 creatures in the areas surrounding Fort Worth, 573 00:31:13,216 --> 00:31:16,081 encounters with so-called wild men. 574 00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:19,291 Large, man-like figures covered in hair 575 00:31:19,394 --> 00:31:22,915 were confrontational in nature, with the wildman 576 00:31:23,019 --> 00:31:28,265 growling, yelling, or throwing rocks at the eyewitnesses. 577 00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:31,993 While Sasquatch are typically described as being covered 578 00:31:32,097 --> 00:31:36,377 in dark hair, some reports, especially those in the Northern 579 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,588 United States, describe Sasquatch with white hair, 580 00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:46,421 matching the description of the Lake Worth Monster more closely. 581 00:31:46,525 --> 00:31:48,665 But the Lake Worth Monster is not 582 00:31:48,768 --> 00:31:51,910 the only Goatman story to be closely associated 583 00:31:52,013 --> 00:31:54,188 with Sasquatch reports. 584 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:58,744 In 1957, a week-long panic gripped the town of Upper 585 00:31:58,847 --> 00:32:02,610 Marlboro, Maryland, when over 200 people claimed to have 586 00:32:02,713 --> 00:32:06,752 encountered a large bipedal ape that was quickly dubbed 587 00:32:06,855 --> 00:32:08,823 "The Abominable Phantom." 588 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:12,654 Local authorities searched the woods of Prince George's County, 589 00:32:12,758 --> 00:32:16,279 but found no sign of the alleged creature. 590 00:32:16,382 --> 00:32:19,938 All of this occurring a little less than a decade and a half 591 00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:23,942 before the Goatman of Bowie made his debut. 592 00:32:24,045 --> 00:32:25,978 So you can imagine a lot of this stuff 593 00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:28,532 is about perspective and interpretation. 594 00:32:28,636 --> 00:32:30,500 If somebody's out in the woods where they heard 595 00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:34,400 there was a Goatman and they see a big hairy man-like creature 596 00:32:34,504 --> 00:32:37,472 running through the woods, well, then that's the Goatman. 597 00:32:37,576 --> 00:32:39,785 People aren't thinking Bigfoot, at that point. 598 00:32:39,888 --> 00:32:42,201 They've already had their perspective 599 00:32:42,305 --> 00:32:43,444 colored, to some extent. 600 00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:48,690 If we're open to the idea of Sasquatches 601 00:32:48,794 --> 00:32:53,143 existence, which I know many people are, then the idea 602 00:32:53,247 --> 00:32:55,835 that Sasquatch could be seen and then mistaken for something 603 00:32:55,939 --> 00:33:00,323 else could explain any number of supernatural or cryptozoological 604 00:33:00,426 --> 00:33:02,083 encounters, because many of these sightings 605 00:33:02,187 --> 00:33:03,567 take place from a distance, they're 606 00:33:03,671 --> 00:33:06,432 very fleeting, they're often taking place at night, 607 00:33:06,536 --> 00:33:08,296 they're in very frantic situations. 608 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,989 So if Sasquatch is out there, which 609 00:33:11,092 --> 00:33:13,577 I tend to think there's a pretty good chance that it is, 610 00:33:13,681 --> 00:33:15,407 I think that's certainly a possibility. 611 00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:17,098 What's striking about these descriptions, 612 00:33:17,202 --> 00:33:19,721 though, when we're talking about the Goatman motif, 613 00:33:19,825 --> 00:33:22,379 is this recurring idea of it having horns. 614 00:33:22,483 --> 00:33:25,037 And Sasquatch, if we're going on the assumption 615 00:33:25,141 --> 00:33:26,866 that it's a primate, primates generally 616 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:28,937 don't have horns, so that's kind of where 617 00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:31,354 we run into some difficulty. 618 00:33:31,457 --> 00:33:32,700 As a cryptozoologist. 619 00:33:32,803 --> 00:33:35,254 First, I have to consider the fact that something 620 00:33:35,358 --> 00:33:39,086 like a half-man, half-goat, an anthropomorphic creature, 621 00:33:39,189 --> 00:33:43,228 is a zoological impossibility. 622 00:33:43,331 --> 00:33:48,854 The two lineages that led to us Homo sapiens and artiodactyls, 623 00:33:48,957 --> 00:33:52,306 or hoofed animals, like goats, the last common ancestor 624 00:33:52,409 --> 00:33:56,068 we shared was about 65 million years ago or something. 625 00:33:56,172 --> 00:33:58,346 So you're talking about two distinct lineages that 626 00:33:58,450 --> 00:34:00,659 went in opposite directions, that evolved 627 00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:03,110 over a long period of time, and therefore, 628 00:34:03,213 --> 00:34:04,766 could not converge again. 629 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:07,424 So it's a biological impossibility, which almost 630 00:34:07,528 --> 00:34:11,118 implies either more of a supernatural origin, 631 00:34:11,221 --> 00:34:12,912 or there are some people that talk 632 00:34:13,016 --> 00:34:15,846 about diabolical genetic experiments, 633 00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:18,228 where nefarious government agencies 634 00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:22,232 or laboratories are trying to splice human and goat DNA. 635 00:34:22,336 --> 00:34:25,097 Now, admittedly, that type of knowledge 636 00:34:25,201 --> 00:34:27,203 is kind of beyond my understanding, 637 00:34:27,306 --> 00:34:30,102 so I don't know if that can actually be achieved or not. 638 00:34:30,206 --> 00:34:33,657 But it's worth noting that, throughout history, there 639 00:34:33,761 --> 00:34:36,212 have been weird genetic anomalies in humans. 640 00:34:36,315 --> 00:34:38,766 For example, there have been humans born with tails. 641 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,251 It's very, very rare, but it does happen. 642 00:34:41,355 --> 00:34:42,873 And it's called an atavism. 643 00:34:42,977 --> 00:34:45,635 An atavism is when a human displays 644 00:34:45,738 --> 00:34:49,535 an ancient physical trait that's locked into our deep 645 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,883 in our genetic code from a long, long time ago. 646 00:34:52,987 --> 00:34:55,748 And there are also humans that have horns, believe it or not, 647 00:34:55,852 --> 00:34:57,819 they're called cutaneous horns. 648 00:34:57,923 --> 00:35:01,478 And it's actually a strange type of tumor that grows on people, 649 00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:04,240 and oftentimes, on their foreheads, strangely enough, 650 00:35:04,343 --> 00:35:06,104 and it looks just like a horn. 651 00:35:06,207 --> 00:35:08,106 There's a woman in China known as the unicorn 652 00:35:08,209 --> 00:35:10,763 woman that has one of these horn like structures. 653 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:13,318 So you can imagine, throughout history, 654 00:35:13,421 --> 00:35:15,423 if there were humans with horns or humans 655 00:35:15,527 --> 00:35:20,083 with tails, as rare as that was, how that might apply or spawn 656 00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:21,705 some of these Goatman legends. 657 00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:26,296 While misinterpreted Sasquatch 658 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,989 sightings may explain away some of the Goatman sightings, 659 00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:32,406 it does not explain the description 660 00:35:32,509 --> 00:35:35,409 of horns, which are so characteristic of these 661 00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:36,996 creatures. 662 00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:40,621 A biological answer doesn't seem likely either, 663 00:35:40,724 --> 00:35:44,038 leaving few rational possibilities to explain 664 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,696 the creatures origins. 665 00:35:46,799 --> 00:35:50,251 One of these possibilities leads to a much darker side 666 00:35:50,355 --> 00:35:53,116 of the phenomenon, one that also shines 667 00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:56,257 a light on the darkest parts of humanity. 668 00:35:56,361 --> 00:36:01,814 And it lies only 30 miles away from Lake Worth. 669 00:36:01,918 --> 00:36:04,023 The Goatman of the old Alton Bridge 670 00:36:04,127 --> 00:36:08,200 is one that I find fascinating because of its roots 671 00:36:08,304 --> 00:36:13,378 in local folklore, having to do with a bridge that 672 00:36:13,481 --> 00:36:15,863 connected a couple communities, essentially, 673 00:36:15,966 --> 00:36:17,451 in North Central Texas. 674 00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:18,969 The story is that there 675 00:36:19,073 --> 00:36:21,834 was an African-American goat farmer in the area 676 00:36:21,938 --> 00:36:23,215 who was very successful. 677 00:36:23,319 --> 00:36:25,942 He was doing very well, making a big name for himself. 678 00:36:26,045 --> 00:36:29,152 His name was purported to be Oscar Washburn, 679 00:36:29,256 --> 00:36:31,465 is how the story goes. 680 00:36:31,568 --> 00:36:35,089 Had become fairly successful in being a goatherd 681 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:38,920 and selling goat products in the area. 682 00:36:39,024 --> 00:36:42,407 And in fact, advertising his wares by hanging 683 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:47,308 a sign on the Alton Bridge that said, "this way to the Goatman." 684 00:36:47,412 --> 00:36:50,138 And it was his form of advertising. 685 00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:55,282 Evidently, the local KKK didn't like that too much and hated 686 00:36:55,385 --> 00:36:59,389 the idea of a successful Black man peddling his wares, 687 00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:03,669 so they held a clandestine town council meeting where they 688 00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:07,535 outlawed the type of advertising that he had placed 689 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,369 on the bridge, and then went out to accost him and accuse him, 690 00:37:13,472 --> 00:37:16,924 and tried to throw him in jail for this crime 691 00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:18,408 that he was now committing. 692 00:37:18,512 --> 00:37:21,687 They formed a noose, and they were going to lynch him 693 00:37:21,791 --> 00:37:23,275 off of the side of the bridge. 694 00:37:23,379 --> 00:37:24,690 And when they did that-- 695 00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:27,348 and here's where many variations occur, 696 00:37:27,452 --> 00:37:32,526 either that they went through with the lynching, 697 00:37:32,629 --> 00:37:34,976 only to find that his body was missing, 698 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,083 or that his head had become separated from the body, 699 00:37:38,186 --> 00:37:43,019 and depending on what version you hear, but they then go back 700 00:37:43,122 --> 00:37:46,333 from that apparently unsuccessful attempt 701 00:37:46,436 --> 00:37:48,783 to kill him, or it was successful, 702 00:37:48,887 --> 00:37:51,269 and they buried the body and told everyone 703 00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:54,099 they couldn't find the body, but evidently, they 704 00:37:54,202 --> 00:37:57,758 murdered the entire Washburn family after that. 705 00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:06,249 And as a result of this horrific event, 706 00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,459 this half-man, half-goat entity is now purported 707 00:38:09,563 --> 00:38:11,668 to haunt the old Alton Bridge. 708 00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:14,257 And people go out there and they do ghost investigations. 709 00:38:14,361 --> 00:38:17,087 They go out there at night, they take EM readings and things. 710 00:38:17,191 --> 00:38:19,124 Sometimes they get results, sometimes they don't. 711 00:38:19,227 --> 00:38:21,299 But this is one of those stories that's 712 00:38:21,402 --> 00:38:24,612 associated more with the darker side of this legend. 713 00:38:24,716 --> 00:38:27,305 It's not so much just a monster sighting it. 714 00:38:27,408 --> 00:38:30,066 It talks about some of the worst parts of humanity, 715 00:38:30,169 --> 00:38:32,448 and looks at some of the darkest places in our history 716 00:38:32,551 --> 00:38:34,381 as the backdrop for this story. 717 00:38:34,484 --> 00:38:36,452 So unlike some of these other Goatman legends, 718 00:38:36,555 --> 00:38:40,663 where oh, it was a government experiment or a man cross-bred 719 00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:43,976 with goats, it's grounded a lot more 720 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,393 in reality, in a very dark way. 721 00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:48,498 There's some real weight to the story, 722 00:38:48,602 --> 00:38:52,537 because if that actually did happen to Oscar Washburn, then 723 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,060 there is some sort of justice, that it seems to be much needed. 724 00:38:59,164 --> 00:39:03,686 And to me, this is one of the telltale signs of the Goatman, 725 00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:08,863 in many of these cases, where he appears as a kind of avenger 726 00:39:08,967 --> 00:39:10,348 or an agent of judgment. 727 00:39:10,451 --> 00:39:12,557 The apparent difference 728 00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:16,940 between the Goatman of old Alton Bridge and other Goatman cases 729 00:39:17,044 --> 00:39:21,945 previously discussed is its brutal origin story. 730 00:39:22,049 --> 00:39:25,501 No longer is the Goatman a result of an experiment 731 00:39:25,604 --> 00:39:29,125 gone wrong or a misidentified Sasquatch. 732 00:39:29,228 --> 00:39:33,060 It has now been transformed into a spirit of vengeance, 733 00:39:33,163 --> 00:39:35,165 to right the wrongs that the living 734 00:39:35,269 --> 00:39:36,995 have suffered at this bridge. 735 00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:50,077 The old Alton bridge is one of the things that makes the Lake 736 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,804 Worth Monster so interesting, because you have two Goatman 737 00:39:52,907 --> 00:39:56,601 stories or legends or sightings that are really only about 35 738 00:39:56,704 --> 00:39:58,637 miles apart in a straight line. 739 00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:01,399 The Alton Bridge is a little bit south of the Dallas Fort Worth 740 00:40:01,502 --> 00:40:04,367 area, and it's this old iron trellis bridge 741 00:40:04,471 --> 00:40:06,611 that was constructed in 1884. 742 00:40:06,714 --> 00:40:08,647 And for a long time, it was a main thoroughfare. 743 00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:11,892 It was used by people on foot, horses, cars, 744 00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:14,446 until it was finally shut down and they installed a new bridge 745 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:16,586 and moved the road over a little bit. 746 00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:18,243 The bridge is still there. 747 00:40:18,346 --> 00:40:19,831 You can visit it, you can walk on it, 748 00:40:19,934 --> 00:40:21,591 it's a popular tourist draw. 749 00:40:21,695 --> 00:40:25,733 And there's already a lot of paranormal folklore associated 750 00:40:25,837 --> 00:40:27,632 with these old iron bridges. 751 00:40:27,735 --> 00:40:31,429 Iron itself has a lot of lore and stories 752 00:40:31,532 --> 00:40:33,154 and mythology attached to it. 753 00:40:33,258 --> 00:40:37,055 Bridges are considered places of crossing over, liminal areas. 754 00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:40,955 Water is considered to be a very spiritual, supernatural thing 755 00:40:41,059 --> 00:40:42,405 in a lot of belief systems. 756 00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:45,166 So these old iron bridges, for a lot of people, 757 00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:47,652 represent intersections of high strangeness. 758 00:40:47,755 --> 00:40:49,447 And when people investigate these places 759 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:51,621 or they just visit them, they very frequently 760 00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:54,624 come away talking about ghosts, hearing voices. 761 00:40:54,728 --> 00:40:57,800 There's this idea in the world of high strangeness 762 00:40:57,903 --> 00:41:00,009 and the paranormal, of strange things 763 00:41:00,112 --> 00:41:02,632 existing in liminal spaces. 764 00:41:02,736 --> 00:41:04,427 Liminal, in this sense, refers to like 765 00:41:04,531 --> 00:41:08,535 a threshold, a place that really nothing has any sort of dominion 766 00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:09,605 over. 767 00:41:09,708 --> 00:41:12,539 So in this sense, things can exist there. 768 00:41:12,642 --> 00:41:16,059 It's not really a place that has a beginning or an ending. 769 00:41:16,163 --> 00:41:18,337 It's just a place that's going somewhere. 770 00:41:18,441 --> 00:41:21,271 It sort of exists in this transient state. 771 00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:23,584 So the idea of a paranormal entity 772 00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:28,071 sort of finding a home there kind of lends some credence. 773 00:41:28,175 --> 00:41:32,662 Now, you get other ideas of like Hecate, the goddess, 774 00:41:32,766 --> 00:41:34,561 she's the ruler of the crossroads. 775 00:41:34,664 --> 00:41:37,115 You have a lot of stories of crossroads being 776 00:41:37,218 --> 00:41:38,530 associated with the paranormal. 777 00:41:38,634 --> 00:41:42,430 It kind of lends into the idea of bridges and train tracks too. 778 00:41:42,534 --> 00:41:45,744 Deals going down there, entities existing. 779 00:41:45,848 --> 00:41:48,851 So I think that could play into the idea 780 00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:53,234 of why things exist near these transient liminal places. 781 00:41:53,338 --> 00:41:55,927 "Crybaby bridges" is a term I'm hearing more lately, 782 00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:58,412 but people will report hearing babies crying, 783 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,794 which is something we know John Keel was talking about 784 00:42:00,897 --> 00:42:02,623 back in the '60s and the '70s. 785 00:42:02,727 --> 00:42:04,832 That's something that's been in our minds for a while. 786 00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:06,593 But a lot of this stuff seems to intersect 787 00:42:06,696 --> 00:42:08,008 with these iron bridges. 788 00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:11,667 Crybaby bridges or crybaby lanes, for that matter, 789 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:14,532 seem to be a phenomenon that you can find in almost every state. 790 00:42:14,635 --> 00:42:16,016 Every state's got one. 791 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,019 So the the basic premise of the crybaby bridge 792 00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:21,469 is, more often than not, the bridge 793 00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:23,402 becomes haunted because of a terrible accident 794 00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:24,507 that happened there. 795 00:42:24,611 --> 00:42:26,544 People end up dying, and then years later, 796 00:42:26,647 --> 00:42:28,856 activity will start to be reported on there. 797 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,927 Now, in particular, when it comes to crybabies, 798 00:42:31,031 --> 00:42:33,240 this often means that there was a death 799 00:42:33,343 --> 00:42:35,794 of a child or several children. 800 00:42:35,898 --> 00:42:39,177 There's an interesting one in North Carolina that originally 801 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,249 was considered to be a Lovers' Lane bridge, 802 00:42:42,352 --> 00:42:47,185 but has since become a crybaby bridge. 803 00:42:47,288 --> 00:42:51,292 Apparently, what happened here is there was a school bus that 804 00:42:51,396 --> 00:42:53,053 ended up veering off of this bridge, 805 00:42:53,156 --> 00:42:55,331 and all of the children in the driver died. 806 00:42:55,434 --> 00:42:57,505 Fast forward several decades later, 807 00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:59,680 this bridge has now been remade and another road 808 00:42:59,784 --> 00:43:01,475 has been put on the side of it, so the bridge is just 809 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:03,995 kind of abandoned, and this becomes a very popular spot 810 00:43:04,098 --> 00:43:06,066 for teenagers to go run off and make out 811 00:43:06,169 --> 00:43:07,585 in the middle of the evening. 812 00:43:07,688 --> 00:43:11,347 And it wasn't too far after this little bridge became 813 00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:15,178 a private hiding spot for teenagers that most kids who 814 00:43:15,282 --> 00:43:18,388 went out there started to report hearing children crying 815 00:43:18,492 --> 00:43:20,736 and handprints appearing on the windows. 816 00:43:28,744 --> 00:43:32,402 There's always been a link with supernatural creatures 817 00:43:32,506 --> 00:43:36,406 and bridges of various from various cultures. 818 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:39,547 Trolls are supposed to live under bridges, 819 00:43:39,651 --> 00:43:42,792 spirits can't cross water, things like that. 820 00:43:42,896 --> 00:43:45,277 If he is a supernatural creature, 821 00:43:45,381 --> 00:43:49,799 allegedly running water can provide energy for things 822 00:43:49,903 --> 00:43:52,422 to manifest, so it might be easier for something 823 00:43:52,526 --> 00:43:57,255 like Goatman, if he is something akin to a spirit that needs 824 00:43:57,358 --> 00:44:00,154 energy to appear, a bridge would be a good location 825 00:44:00,258 --> 00:44:02,536 for him to do that. 826 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,023 And there's often supernatural and paranormal aspects 827 00:44:07,127 --> 00:44:09,508 and stories of many bridges around, 828 00:44:09,612 --> 00:44:12,270 such as Emily's Bridge in Stowe, Vermont, 829 00:44:12,373 --> 00:44:16,377 where there was a tragic story of a bride-to-be who 830 00:44:16,481 --> 00:44:18,794 ended her life around this bridge as she 831 00:44:18,897 --> 00:44:20,381 was stood up at the altar. 832 00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:23,661 And there are many stories like that elsewhere as well. 833 00:44:23,764 --> 00:44:27,423 There's all sorts of haunted bridges all over the world. 834 00:44:27,526 --> 00:44:29,390 We have a couple in Texas. 835 00:44:29,494 --> 00:44:31,772 We have another human-animal hybrid, 836 00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:34,016 the Donkey Lady Bridge in San Antonio, 837 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:35,673 down on old Applewhite Road. 838 00:44:35,776 --> 00:44:37,398 And that's a very similar story to some 839 00:44:37,502 --> 00:44:40,367 of these Goatman legends, where someone was killed 840 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:42,749 and somehow they were fused with this animal, 841 00:44:42,852 --> 00:44:44,405 and now they haunt this area. 842 00:44:44,509 --> 00:44:47,339 And it's a tradition, or was for a long time in San Antonio, 843 00:44:47,443 --> 00:44:49,790 for people to drive out there at night and park their car, 844 00:44:49,894 --> 00:44:51,171 go poke around in the woods. 845 00:44:51,274 --> 00:44:53,621 And there are a lot of stories, if you look around online, 846 00:44:53,725 --> 00:44:56,348 of people hearing something or seeing something in the woods. 847 00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:59,938 So it's a recurring motif that we see in our culture. 848 00:45:00,042 --> 00:45:03,183 It's something that pops up all over the place. 849 00:45:03,286 --> 00:45:05,047 I'm honestly not sure if there's really 850 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:08,222 a paranormal connotation to these goatmen 851 00:45:08,326 --> 00:45:10,777 being seen in specific areas around bridges 852 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,330 and railroad tracks. 853 00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:16,023 I tend to think it's more of a cultural phenomenon, 854 00:45:16,127 --> 00:45:19,958 in terms of the old legends of European trolls living 855 00:45:20,062 --> 00:45:22,064 under bridges and some of those stories. 856 00:45:22,167 --> 00:45:25,377 As far as railroad tracks go, I think 857 00:45:25,481 --> 00:45:27,379 it's interesting to point out that I 858 00:45:27,483 --> 00:45:31,418 grew up next to some railroad tracks, kind of in a rural area. 859 00:45:31,521 --> 00:45:33,731 And there's almost something spooky, 860 00:45:33,834 --> 00:45:37,044 particularly as a young person, when you go out to these areas, 861 00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:39,081 these Lovers' Lane areas, if you will, 862 00:45:39,184 --> 00:45:41,497 where these goatmen have been described. 863 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,465 There's something kind of spooky about railroad tracks, 864 00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:47,261 particularly when you're walking along a long line of railroad 865 00:45:47,365 --> 00:45:50,023 tracks next to a forested area. 866 00:45:50,126 --> 00:45:51,024 I don't know. 867 00:45:51,127 --> 00:45:53,336 It's quite an interesting question. 868 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,304 One could derive the idea that there's 869 00:45:55,407 --> 00:45:58,514 some type of energetic force or something 870 00:45:58,617 --> 00:46:01,034 that conjures up these Goatman images 871 00:46:01,137 --> 00:46:03,519 when you're in these specific types of locations. 872 00:46:06,073 --> 00:46:08,800 The stories of Goatman seem more 873 00:46:08,904 --> 00:46:12,597 paranormal in nature, but why? 874 00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,220 I think it's kind of hard to pinpoint 875 00:46:15,324 --> 00:46:19,086 a Goatman entity existing as a biological creature. 876 00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:21,399 There's nothing in the fossil record that 877 00:46:21,502 --> 00:46:23,711 suggests a Goatman could exist. 878 00:46:23,815 --> 00:46:26,473 Unlike a Bigfoot, you have Gigantopithecus, things 879 00:46:26,576 --> 00:46:28,751 like that, that we have evidence of something 880 00:46:28,855 --> 00:46:30,822 like this can actually biologically 881 00:46:30,926 --> 00:46:32,168 walk around and exist. 882 00:46:32,272 --> 00:46:34,515 Goatman, on the other hand, not so much. 883 00:46:34,619 --> 00:46:37,795 However, if you tie in the idea of the supernatural, 884 00:46:37,898 --> 00:46:40,487 the paranormal, and these things existing 885 00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:44,974 without any rhyme or reason, but through fantastical means, 886 00:46:45,078 --> 00:46:47,114 I think something like that can exist. 887 00:46:47,218 --> 00:46:49,530 Maybe it's phasing in and out of reality, 888 00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:55,088 or is some sort of ancient deity that pops into existence, 889 00:46:55,191 --> 00:46:59,955 I think that may be more of what's going on here. 890 00:47:00,058 --> 00:47:03,924 I don't think a half-man, half-goat makes any sense 891 00:47:04,028 --> 00:47:07,203 in the biological kingdom, based on my limited 892 00:47:07,307 --> 00:47:08,584 zoological knowledge. 893 00:47:08,687 --> 00:47:12,691 And unlike a lot of other human-animal chimeric beings 894 00:47:12,795 --> 00:47:14,935 that we see in folklore and mythology, 895 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,869 and even in the modern cryptozoological lexicon, 896 00:47:17,973 --> 00:47:22,529 Goatman is generally described as distinctly being half-human, 897 00:47:22,632 --> 00:47:26,015 half-goat, as having this goat head on a very 898 00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,672 distinctly human body. 899 00:47:27,775 --> 00:47:29,639 That doesn't really make sense. 900 00:47:29,743 --> 00:47:32,608 So if it's not a hoax, a hallucination, just 901 00:47:32,711 --> 00:47:35,714 an urban legend, if it's something that actually exists 902 00:47:35,818 --> 00:47:37,820 in the form that we're perceiving it, 903 00:47:37,924 --> 00:47:39,960 you could make the argument that it would have 904 00:47:40,064 --> 00:47:41,859 to be something supernatural. 905 00:47:41,962 --> 00:47:45,310 Something from outside the veil, if you like. 906 00:47:45,414 --> 00:47:47,485 Returning to the beast 907 00:47:47,588 --> 00:47:51,799 of Billiwhack, we see that the paranormal aspect of the Goatman 908 00:47:51,903 --> 00:47:57,046 legend is not far from the more commonly touted origin stories. 909 00:47:57,150 --> 00:48:01,050 Leasowe Canyon is also home to what some Spanish speakers 910 00:48:01,154 --> 00:48:04,640 call the Chivo Man, a Goatman-like entity 911 00:48:04,743 --> 00:48:06,918 with supernatural roots. 912 00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:10,059 So the Chivo Man and the Billiwhack monster, 913 00:48:10,163 --> 00:48:12,096 they're essentially one and the same. 914 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,410 The only difference there is, the Chivo Man has more of roots 915 00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:21,139 in Mexico and Central America, as the y chivo 916 00:48:21,243 --> 00:48:25,730 creature, which is essentially a Goatman-like creature that 917 00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:27,145 is human. 918 00:48:27,249 --> 00:48:33,151 It's a brujo, a witch, a male witch that utilizes witchcraft 919 00:48:33,255 --> 00:48:37,052 to turn himself into a Goatman-like creature 920 00:48:37,155 --> 00:48:40,710 or other sort of humanoid-looking entities. 921 00:48:40,814 --> 00:48:44,438 And one of the interesting things about that, 922 00:48:44,542 --> 00:48:50,617 if you were to tie in witchcraft into the idea of the Billiwhack 923 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,171 monster, the Billiwhack monster is 924 00:48:53,275 --> 00:48:57,693 located in the Billiwhack Ranch, but that was originally 925 00:48:57,796 --> 00:49:00,903 in the Aliso Canyon area. 926 00:49:01,007 --> 00:49:05,183 That's what the entire area surrounding Billiwhack Ranch is. 927 00:49:05,287 --> 00:49:09,670 Now, "aliso" means alder in English. 928 00:49:09,774 --> 00:49:11,603 So Alder tree. 929 00:49:11,707 --> 00:49:14,158 If you look into elemental magic, 930 00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:18,610 the Alder tree is associated with being 931 00:49:18,714 --> 00:49:24,202 a gateway for the fairy folk, the fae people. 932 00:49:24,306 --> 00:49:28,482 It's utilized as a portal to go from one realm to the next. 933 00:49:28,586 --> 00:49:32,555 So if you were to add in the idea of witchcraft 934 00:49:32,659 --> 00:49:37,146 into the idea of this Billiwhack monster creature, 935 00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:41,702 now you can see why a creature can pop in and phase in and out 936 00:49:41,806 --> 00:49:44,464 of existence, and not really have 937 00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:49,055 any sort of biological precedent for existing. 938 00:49:49,158 --> 00:49:52,092 And the Aliso Canyon area acting somewhat 939 00:49:52,196 --> 00:49:56,821 as a window area, a hotspot for anomalous activity to exist. 940 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,450 When considering the possibility 941 00:50:05,554 --> 00:50:08,798 of the Goatman being something otherworldly, 942 00:50:08,902 --> 00:50:13,769 the floodgates are open to a plethora of explanations. 943 00:50:13,872 --> 00:50:18,325 Nathan Couch, author of the book Goatman: Flesher Folklore, 944 00:50:18,429 --> 00:50:21,190 offers one of the most interesting and unique 945 00:50:21,294 --> 00:50:23,779 takes on what the Goatman may be. 946 00:50:26,506 --> 00:50:29,371 We discussed, like, could he be a zoological creature? 947 00:50:29,474 --> 00:50:31,856 And I think it's an impossibility. 948 00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:33,720 And the fact-- and of course, I said earlier 949 00:50:33,823 --> 00:50:36,378 that he has a lot of supernatural traits 950 00:50:36,481 --> 00:50:40,451 and skills in these stories and in these sightings. 951 00:50:40,554 --> 00:50:42,936 I think if he does exist, he'd have 952 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,560 to be something supernatural, something that hasn't 953 00:50:46,664 --> 00:50:48,114 been explained by science yet. 954 00:50:48,217 --> 00:50:52,704 I think he'd have to be like a nature spirit of some type. 955 00:50:52,808 --> 00:50:55,052 I don't really necessarily mean a spirit, 956 00:50:55,155 --> 00:50:58,986 as in a ghost or human spirit, but pagan religions 957 00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:04,233 worship nature spirits like the fey, fairies or nature spirits, 958 00:51:04,337 --> 00:51:08,410 all these things like gnomes, trolls, things of that nature. 959 00:51:08,513 --> 00:51:11,447 They're all these supernatural creatures that exist in nature 960 00:51:11,551 --> 00:51:13,518 that aren't human, and they have some sort 961 00:51:13,622 --> 00:51:17,074 of supernatural or divine quality to them. 962 00:51:17,177 --> 00:51:21,457 Goatman looks a lot like the god Pan, from Greek mythology. 963 00:51:21,561 --> 00:51:24,046 He was a half-man, half-goat creature. 964 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:26,462 Pan was the god of the wild. 965 00:51:26,566 --> 00:51:29,086 He was very connected to nature, very 966 00:51:29,189 --> 00:51:30,984 symbolic of humankind's relationship 967 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,090 with nature in the Greek pantheon. 968 00:51:33,193 --> 00:51:37,024 And the term panic, as in extreme fear that we use today, 969 00:51:37,128 --> 00:51:38,888 comes from Pan's name. 970 00:51:38,992 --> 00:51:40,683 That's the root term for that. 971 00:51:40,787 --> 00:51:42,823 Because Pan, when you're walking in the wilderness 972 00:51:42,927 --> 00:51:45,550 and you hear animals howling in the wind and the sounds 973 00:51:45,654 --> 00:51:48,795 of the wild, that's said to be Pan shouting at you 974 00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:52,109 or calling out into the night as you pass through his territory. 975 00:51:52,212 --> 00:51:54,559 So when you look at the modern day 976 00:51:54,663 --> 00:51:58,115 and you have some of these more modern Goatman encounters, 977 00:51:58,218 --> 00:52:00,289 a lot of times, they're accompanied by people saying, 978 00:52:00,393 --> 00:52:02,981 I heard a wailing sound, I heard this horrible scream, 979 00:52:03,085 --> 00:52:05,122 this inhuman cry coming from the night. 980 00:52:05,225 --> 00:52:08,539 So at the very least, there's a tangential correlation, not only 981 00:52:08,642 --> 00:52:10,748 in the physical resemblance between Pan 982 00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:13,889 and the modern Goatman, if you want to call it that, but also 983 00:52:13,992 --> 00:52:15,546 the way in which these things behave 984 00:52:15,649 --> 00:52:17,272 and the way in which they seem to approach 985 00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:20,240 people when they're in these wild and wooded places. 986 00:52:20,344 --> 00:52:23,554 And there is an exact sighting in Dallas, 987 00:52:23,657 --> 00:52:26,936 near white Rock Lake, that I believe Nick Redfern uncovered, 988 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,905 where a woman who was jogging around the lake, 989 00:52:30,008 --> 00:52:31,320 felt like she was being watched. 990 00:52:31,424 --> 00:52:34,289 She turned, she saw this goat-like creature 991 00:52:34,392 --> 00:52:35,635 looking at her, smirking. 992 00:52:35,738 --> 00:52:37,361 It walked towards her a little bit 993 00:52:37,464 --> 00:52:40,847 and then there was a smell of sulfur. 994 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:43,746 He just disappeared in a flash after laughing at her, 995 00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:45,369 and she said she felt like she was 996 00:52:45,472 --> 00:52:49,442 having a panic attack, something that she had never felt before. 997 00:52:49,545 --> 00:52:51,237 CRAIG WOOLHEATER The parallels 998 00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:54,723 between the Goatmen and the satyrs of the ancient world 999 00:52:54,826 --> 00:52:56,794 are obvious on the surface. 1000 00:52:56,897 --> 00:53:00,901 Half-man, half-goat figures that live in the wild, 1001 00:53:01,005 --> 00:53:03,835 sometimes feeling travelers with panic 1002 00:53:03,939 --> 00:53:08,461 if they are unlucky enough to come upon one at night. 1003 00:53:08,564 --> 00:53:13,397 Yet, perhaps the connection is more than skin deep. 1004 00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,916 The correlation between goatmen 1005 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:20,404 and satyrs or fauns really seems very, very natural 1006 00:53:20,507 --> 00:53:22,544 when you stop to think about the functions 1007 00:53:22,647 --> 00:53:25,340 of those figures in mythology. 1008 00:53:25,443 --> 00:53:30,103 They were associated with virility, fertility. 1009 00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:34,280 They were also associated with debauchery and wild parties. 1010 00:53:34,383 --> 00:53:37,524 And so it just seems like, in the case of the Lovers' Lane 1011 00:53:37,628 --> 00:53:40,182 stories, they're modern retellings 1012 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:43,979 of these sort of Saturnalia. 1013 00:53:44,082 --> 00:53:47,569 I mean, that's where the phrase comes from in the first place, 1014 00:53:47,672 --> 00:53:48,949 is the satyr. 1015 00:53:49,053 --> 00:53:55,542 And the overlap between that and pagan holiday festivities. 1016 00:53:55,646 --> 00:54:00,513 Pan, as well, as far as a lowercase god is concerned, 1017 00:54:00,616 --> 00:54:04,482 was very much involved with these sort of tales. 1018 00:54:04,586 --> 00:54:07,002 And so there does seem to be, again-- 1019 00:54:07,105 --> 00:54:10,350 although in the modern tellings, it's not so much 1020 00:54:10,454 --> 00:54:12,904 encouraging the behavior as it is discouraging 1021 00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:15,424 or talking about consequences. 1022 00:54:18,772 --> 00:54:20,878 Exacting some sort of judgment. 1023 00:54:20,981 --> 00:54:23,674 In the case of Alton Bridge, it's 1024 00:54:23,777 --> 00:54:30,405 a folkloric agent of judgment in a frontier justice. 1025 00:54:30,508 --> 00:54:34,719 Some consequence must be levied upon those who are doing wrong. 1026 00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:39,414 So I do see that there is a way that those paradigms, even 1027 00:54:39,517 --> 00:54:42,796 though they they morph slightly in function, 1028 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:46,110 that that seems to be a pattern that 1029 00:54:46,213 --> 00:54:50,287 occupies the psyche of humankind, for whatever reason. 1030 00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:53,566 There does seem to be a connection or correlation 1031 00:54:53,669 --> 00:54:57,190 between some of this activity and the sexual energy 1032 00:54:57,294 --> 00:54:58,191 of human beings. 1033 00:54:58,295 --> 00:54:59,296 And the prime example of that is you 1034 00:54:59,399 --> 00:55:00,780 start talking about poltergeists. 1035 00:55:00,883 --> 00:55:03,645 These are often connected to young women who are just 1036 00:55:03,748 --> 00:55:05,923 now beginning to come of age, and all of a sudden, 1037 00:55:06,026 --> 00:55:07,476 this activity starts. 1038 00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:09,720 I think it might have something to do with the fact 1039 00:55:09,823 --> 00:55:13,344 that around those times in a person's life, 1040 00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:15,139 the chemicals in your brain start to shift, 1041 00:55:15,242 --> 00:55:17,797 and therefore, your perception is going to shift. 1042 00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:20,938 And when that starts to happen, there's a good possibility 1043 00:55:21,041 --> 00:55:23,699 that you might be able to open yourself up to other channels 1044 00:55:23,803 --> 00:55:25,252 and see different layers of reality. 1045 00:55:25,356 --> 00:55:27,565 And that's where I think a lot of this stuff comes from, 1046 00:55:27,669 --> 00:55:30,327 is layers of reality that's stacked on top of us. 1047 00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:32,121 And at the same time, I also think 1048 00:55:32,225 --> 00:55:35,228 that has something to do with human consciousness and the way 1049 00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:38,818 that we remember things as far as history goes. 1050 00:55:38,921 --> 00:55:41,614 Because satyrs, they were very popular and very believed 1051 00:55:41,717 --> 00:55:43,029 in during Greek times. 1052 00:55:43,132 --> 00:55:46,964 Now, fast forward to a time when spirituality is not necessarily 1053 00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:51,417 part of our main sphere of existence, but now 1054 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,246 we have all of these people who are starting 1055 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,385 to take an interest in it. 1056 00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:56,353 So now we're starting to see sightings of things 1057 00:55:56,456 --> 00:56:01,323 like Goatman, Dogman, stranger cryptids that don't necessarily 1058 00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:05,223 have the popularity of, say, Bigfoot or Loch Monster, 1059 00:56:05,327 --> 00:56:07,640 but enough sightings in recent times 1060 00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:12,369 have certainly made it a little bit more interesting. 1061 00:56:12,472 --> 00:56:14,129 You go through this continuum 1062 00:56:14,232 --> 00:56:17,788 of natural explanations, supernatural explanations, 1063 00:56:17,891 --> 00:56:20,653 scientific, and you'd think that it would stop at that, 1064 00:56:20,756 --> 00:56:22,517 but it's kind of gone back in the direction 1065 00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:27,384 of the supernatural and dark, even satanic direction. 1066 00:56:27,487 --> 00:56:32,043 And I think that's where this idea that is whispered about 1067 00:56:32,147 --> 00:56:35,357 or talked about in very cautious ways 1068 00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:39,188 is that somehow this thing could have been conjured, in much 1069 00:56:39,292 --> 00:56:42,157 the same way as like dogmen are talked about today, 1070 00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:45,919 and highly suggested, like in the case of the Beast of Bray 1071 00:56:46,023 --> 00:56:49,336 Road, for example, that some sort of occult activity 1072 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,098 could have intentionally or inadvertently 1073 00:56:52,201 --> 00:56:55,653 brought this thing to life. 1074 00:56:55,757 --> 00:57:01,521 And how that works, how long that it stays in our dimension 1075 00:57:01,625 --> 00:57:03,281 are questions I'd rather not know 1076 00:57:03,385 --> 00:57:06,008 the answers to, but seem to be put forward 1077 00:57:06,112 --> 00:57:07,665 as a possible explanation. 1078 00:57:07,769 --> 00:57:09,426 CRAIG WOOLHEATER These nature 1079 00:57:09,529 --> 00:57:13,326 spirits are not the only thing the Goatman resembles. 1080 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:16,398 With a goat-like head and a man-like body, 1081 00:57:16,502 --> 00:57:20,713 the Goatman might as well be the devil himself. 1082 00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:23,370 I think what sets the Goatman legend apart 1083 00:57:23,474 --> 00:57:28,548 from other cryptids is the fact that our essential image 1084 00:57:28,652 --> 00:57:31,033 of a half-man, half-goat conjures 1085 00:57:31,137 --> 00:57:37,074 up Satan, demons, the embodiment of ultimate evil. 1086 00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:39,663 And so in that respect, the Goatman 1087 00:57:39,766 --> 00:57:42,320 is almost scarier than something like a Bigfoot, 1088 00:57:42,424 --> 00:57:45,427 or a Dogman, or even a chupacabra, 1089 00:57:45,531 --> 00:57:49,362 because it is demonic in nature. 1090 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,434 It's got paganistic qualities, so it hearkens back 1091 00:57:52,538 --> 00:57:55,644 to that ancient form of evil, something 1092 00:57:55,748 --> 00:58:00,373 that evolved centuries ago, something that's still around. 1093 00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:03,134 Psychologically, I think people are very, very scared 1094 00:58:03,238 --> 00:58:05,965 of the notion of something that looks like a half-man, half-goat 1095 00:58:06,068 --> 00:58:07,760 because it's demonic. 1096 00:58:07,863 --> 00:58:10,003 The quintessential image 1097 00:58:10,107 --> 00:58:12,454 of the Satanic goat-like entity known 1098 00:58:12,558 --> 00:58:15,630 as Baphomet stems from early occultist 1099 00:58:15,733 --> 00:58:18,564 writers like Eliphas Levi. 1100 00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:21,946 Later, it became entwined with inverted pentagrams. 1101 00:58:25,778 --> 00:58:30,437 Thelema, Freemasons, Aleister Crowley, and the teachings 1102 00:58:30,541 --> 00:58:33,613 of Anton LaVey, both of whom associated 1103 00:58:33,717 --> 00:58:35,822 the Baphomet with the god Pan. 1104 00:58:38,584 --> 00:58:41,103 What's more is the sigil of Baphomet 1105 00:58:41,207 --> 00:58:46,488 is the official insignia of the Church of Satan. 1106 00:58:46,592 --> 00:58:50,216 In many ways, equating the Goatman with the devil 1107 00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:54,531 is a natural thought process, but not necessarily the most 1108 00:58:54,634 --> 00:58:57,637 explanatory. 1109 00:58:57,741 --> 00:59:00,157 Classically, the devil is often portrayed as something 1110 00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:01,503 very similar to a satire. 1111 00:59:01,607 --> 00:59:04,886 You have the cloven hooves, the rather muscular torso, 1112 00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:06,715 and then you have the head of the goat. 1113 00:59:06,819 --> 00:59:10,029 Where that imagery actually comes from, I cannot be sure, 1114 00:59:10,132 --> 00:59:15,172 but it is now made its way into the psychological aspect of how 1115 00:59:15,275 --> 00:59:17,105 we perceive good and evil. 1116 00:59:17,208 --> 00:59:18,969 There's a whole stream of thought that goes 1117 00:59:19,072 --> 00:59:22,386 into consideration of goat man. 1118 00:59:22,489 --> 00:59:26,563 As far as like occult, or we'll just go right to Baphomet 1119 00:59:26,666 --> 00:59:29,911 and Satan, it says, why this? 1120 00:59:30,014 --> 00:59:33,639 And I think part of this is related to ideas that correlate 1121 00:59:33,742 --> 00:59:38,091 to the ability that evil has or does 1122 00:59:38,195 --> 00:59:41,336 not have to make and create. 1123 00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:44,373 And this has been explored in the writings of C.S. Lewis 1124 00:59:44,477 --> 00:59:48,688 and JRR Tolkien and others, but that Satan 1125 00:59:48,792 --> 00:59:51,518 does not have the power to create things from nothing. 1126 00:59:51,622 --> 00:59:54,521 He can only take what's there and corrupt it. 1127 00:59:54,625 --> 00:59:57,766 And so here's where it really gets interesting, 1128 00:59:57,870 --> 01:00:01,736 is that the idea, in some cases, like the Pope Lick Monster, 1129 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:04,497 for example, early reports seem to break 1130 01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:07,638 in the direction of a sheepman, but later ones 1131 01:00:07,742 --> 01:00:10,468 go in the direction of Goatman. 1132 01:00:10,572 --> 01:00:13,713 And a correlation here could potentially 1133 01:00:13,817 --> 01:00:19,512 be that, in the case of sheep, when you think of a sheep, 1134 01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:21,376 you don't think of something malevolent, 1135 01:00:21,479 --> 01:00:22,826 you think of something innocent. 1136 01:00:22,929 --> 01:00:24,448 You think of something pure. 1137 01:00:24,551 --> 01:00:30,592 And taking this to scripture, such as the Holy Bible, 1138 01:00:30,696 --> 01:00:34,492 you have the son of God, who is described 1139 01:00:34,596 --> 01:00:37,254 in terms of the lamb of God. 1140 01:00:37,357 --> 01:00:42,915 So you've got this symbol of purity and goodness. 1141 01:00:43,018 --> 01:00:44,710 What's a way to corrupt that? 1142 01:00:44,813 --> 01:00:49,887 Well, potentially take it in the direction of a goat, which 1143 01:00:49,991 --> 01:00:54,236 is less likable as a figure, certainly one 1144 01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,412 that we associate with things like eating 1145 01:00:57,515 --> 01:01:00,657 trash and living off of that. 1146 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,522 While a ram, a sheep's ram can develop horns, 1147 01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:07,077 we don't think of a lamb as having that ability, 1148 01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:09,458 but a full grown goat has the horns, 1149 01:01:09,562 --> 01:01:12,047 and therefore, seems more intimidating 1150 01:01:12,151 --> 01:01:15,050 and will, in fact, resort to violence 1151 01:01:15,154 --> 01:01:17,846 when that's seen as needed. 1152 01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:22,402 So I think that there may be some territory to explore there, 1153 01:01:22,506 --> 01:01:26,924 that a goat is a violent or corrupt form 1154 01:01:27,028 --> 01:01:32,619 of an innocent little lamb, and maybe, somewhere along the way, 1155 01:01:32,723 --> 01:01:35,588 our expectation or perception of what 1156 01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:41,042 half-human, half-sheep, then goat, becomes, 1157 01:01:41,145 --> 01:01:42,457 is colored by that. 1158 01:02:59,154 --> 01:03:01,260 One of the most notable 1159 01:03:01,363 --> 01:03:03,952 of all Goatman stories is that of the Pope 1160 01:03:04,056 --> 01:03:06,921 Lick Monster of Kentucky. 1161 01:03:07,024 --> 01:03:09,647 Some legends suggest that if one walks 1162 01:03:09,751 --> 01:03:11,649 to the middle of the train trestle, 1163 01:03:11,753 --> 01:03:14,998 the Goatman will appear on the other side. 1164 01:03:15,101 --> 01:03:19,105 Others claim that the Goatman is the result of satanic rituals 1165 01:03:19,209 --> 01:03:22,108 conducted in a nearby shack. 1166 01:03:22,212 --> 01:03:25,008 Stories of the Pope Lick Monster are as varied 1167 01:03:25,111 --> 01:03:27,942 as any that have already been discussed, 1168 01:03:28,045 --> 01:03:30,461 but they also introduce new elements 1169 01:03:30,565 --> 01:03:33,844 into the mythos of the Goatman. 1170 01:03:33,948 --> 01:03:36,226 My name is David Domine, I'm a Louisville-based 1171 01:03:36,329 --> 01:03:39,505 author and educator, a folklorist as well. 1172 01:03:39,608 --> 01:03:43,336 And I've lived in Louisville since 1993, 1173 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,477 and one of the first urban legends I heard about 1174 01:03:46,581 --> 01:03:51,620 was one that said to be rooted here at the Pope Lick Trestle. 1175 01:03:51,724 --> 01:03:52,690 It's called the Goatman. 1176 01:03:52,794 --> 01:03:54,969 Some call it the monster of Pope Lick. 1177 01:03:55,072 --> 01:03:56,798 This is an active trestle. 1178 01:03:56,902 --> 01:03:59,421 We have early mentions of it in 1909 1179 01:03:59,525 --> 01:04:02,942 already, so we know this train track has run through here 1180 01:04:03,046 --> 01:04:04,737 for at least 100 years. 1181 01:04:07,257 --> 01:04:11,571 Interestingly enough, this is a case where an initial, very 1182 01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:16,335 old reports seem to describe it as Sheepman instead of Goatman. 1183 01:04:16,438 --> 01:04:19,234 And at some point, that tilts in the direction of the goat 1184 01:04:19,338 --> 01:04:20,891 instead of the sheep. 1185 01:04:20,995 --> 01:04:24,895 There's some rather sort of highly bizarre stories 1186 01:04:24,999 --> 01:04:26,621 having to do with origins. 1187 01:04:26,724 --> 01:04:29,279 Supposedly, there was this goat-like creature seen 1188 01:04:29,382 --> 01:04:32,040 in the wilderness of Canada, and this circus owner 1189 01:04:32,144 --> 01:04:35,043 named Silas Garner, who was somebody who I have not been 1190 01:04:35,147 --> 01:04:37,390 able to prove ever existed, found out 1191 01:04:37,494 --> 01:04:40,186 about the creature hired someone to capture it, 1192 01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:41,670 to put it in a sideshow. 1193 01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:44,639 Supposedly by capturing this creature, he cursed himself. 1194 01:04:44,742 --> 01:04:46,123 And on a stormy night, as the train 1195 01:04:46,227 --> 01:04:51,059 was traveling through Kentucky, the Goatman's curse 1196 01:04:51,163 --> 01:04:55,788 caused the train to derail, and he escaped, and now lives 1197 01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:57,514 under the bridge at Pope Lick. 1198 01:04:57,617 --> 01:05:00,413 Others say that there was a local farmer who was a little 1199 01:05:00,517 --> 01:05:02,174 too friendly with his goats. 1200 01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:05,142 He was breeding with them, and that's one 1201 01:05:05,246 --> 01:05:06,937 of the more interesting takes. 1202 01:05:07,041 --> 01:05:10,699 Another far more even sinister origin stories 1203 01:05:10,803 --> 01:05:15,463 having to do with a farmer who made goat sacrifices, hoping 1204 01:05:15,566 --> 01:05:18,880 to gain some sort of satanic dark power, 1205 01:05:18,984 --> 01:05:21,710 and he ends up becoming the Goatman. 1206 01:05:21,814 --> 01:05:24,334 It's very much an urban legend. 1207 01:05:24,437 --> 01:05:27,682 It's said that there's a half-man, half-goat kind 1208 01:05:27,785 --> 01:05:30,167 of creature who lives under the trestles, 1209 01:05:30,271 --> 01:05:32,445 and he's a siren-type of being. 1210 01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:37,554 He likes to attract unsuspecting visitors up to the tracks. 1211 01:05:37,657 --> 01:05:40,212 Sometimes he mimics voices, sometimes 1212 01:05:40,315 --> 01:05:42,317 he acts like he's in distress. 1213 01:05:42,421 --> 01:05:46,080 But for whatever reason, people are led up to the trestle, 1214 01:05:46,183 --> 01:05:49,738 and many people don't realize this is still an active trestle, 1215 01:05:49,842 --> 01:05:50,981 several times a day. 1216 01:05:51,085 --> 01:05:53,432 So there's an almost 800 foot span. 1217 01:05:53,535 --> 01:05:57,160 And if you're caught up there where a train is coming through, 1218 01:05:57,263 --> 01:05:59,093 there's really no place to go. 1219 01:05:59,196 --> 01:06:01,785 All you can do is outrun the train, which most people can't, 1220 01:06:01,888 --> 01:06:03,787 or you have to jump over the side 1221 01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:07,032 and dangle from one of the pieces of wood 1222 01:06:07,135 --> 01:06:09,379 that juts out, which is kind of a hard task 1223 01:06:09,482 --> 01:06:11,588 because it takes usually at least five minutes 1224 01:06:11,691 --> 01:06:14,177 for a train to rumble overhead. 1225 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,077 That's when people often fall to their deaths, or they're running 1226 01:06:18,181 --> 01:06:20,183 and they stumble and they fall over the side, 1227 01:06:20,286 --> 01:06:21,598 because there's really no railing. 1228 01:06:21,701 --> 01:06:24,394 It's just tracks up in the sky. 1229 01:06:24,497 --> 01:06:26,016 CRAIG WOOLHEATER One thing 1230 01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,847 separating the Pope Lick Monster from other Goatman stories 1231 01:06:29,951 --> 01:06:33,644 are the very real deaths connected to the legend. 1232 01:06:33,748 --> 01:06:36,820 As of 2019, at least 12 people have 1233 01:06:36,923 --> 01:06:38,960 been injured while seeking the Goatman 1234 01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,618 upon the Pope Lick Trestle. 1235 01:06:41,721 --> 01:06:43,758 There are some people that have actually 1236 01:06:43,861 --> 01:06:45,932 gone out there to look for the Goatman, 1237 01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:48,763 and their lives have been tragically ended, 1238 01:06:48,866 --> 01:06:53,457 as in the case of a couple who went up there around 2015 1239 01:06:53,561 --> 01:06:57,220 or 2016, and they were on the train trestle 1240 01:06:57,323 --> 01:07:01,396 and a train started coming their way, 1241 01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:05,711 as there are 20 to 25 trains that actually go over this train 1242 01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:08,058 trestle every day. 1243 01:07:08,162 --> 01:07:13,236 The boyfriend managed to jump and hang onto a steel beam, 1244 01:07:13,339 --> 01:07:15,824 where the girlfriend met her tragic fate 1245 01:07:15,928 --> 01:07:18,758 90 feet below onto the ground. 1246 01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:24,523 JC Bahm was a teenager, I believe, in 1988, 1247 01:07:24,626 --> 01:07:28,354 and he was struck by the train and killed, 1248 01:07:28,458 --> 01:07:35,051 and presumably fell to his death off of the trestle. 1249 01:07:35,154 --> 01:07:39,917 Those stories-- and they're matters of historic fact-- 1250 01:07:40,021 --> 01:07:42,886 people who have gone out on the tracks and have 1251 01:07:42,989 --> 01:07:45,613 died because of it. 1252 01:07:45,716 --> 01:07:49,444 So unlike a lot of these other stories where they kind of just 1253 01:07:49,548 --> 01:07:50,963 add up to a bunch of fun sightings 1254 01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:53,448 and a few spooky stories, this is 1255 01:07:53,552 --> 01:07:57,935 one that actually has a tangible death toll attached to it. 1256 01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:00,145 Some people have taken it to say that, oh, well, 1257 01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:02,423 that means the Goatman is responsible for these deaths, 1258 01:08:02,526 --> 01:08:06,047 or the Goatman hypnotizes people and brings them into the woods. 1259 01:08:06,151 --> 01:08:08,912 I tend to think some places are just very dangerous, 1260 01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:11,432 and that's why people get hurt when they go out there 1261 01:08:11,535 --> 01:08:13,434 and don't take the appropriate precautions, when 1262 01:08:13,537 --> 01:08:15,677 they go to places that they aren't supposed to go. 1263 01:08:15,781 --> 01:08:18,163 But there's no separating this legend 1264 01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:20,751 from this place and all of the tragic events 1265 01:08:20,855 --> 01:08:21,856 that have gone on here. 1266 01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:30,347 CRAIG WOOLHEATER The final key 1267 01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:34,972 to the Goatman mystery is the influence of the media. 1268 01:08:35,076 --> 01:08:39,805 In the age of information, where a sensational news can and does 1269 01:08:39,908 --> 01:08:42,601 influence the decisions of individuals, 1270 01:08:42,704 --> 01:08:45,017 the proliferation of certain stories 1271 01:08:45,121 --> 01:08:49,090 are bound to ignite the imaginations of people. 1272 01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:51,437 A single newspaper article was all 1273 01:08:51,541 --> 01:08:53,405 that it took to lure teenagers out 1274 01:08:53,508 --> 01:08:57,823 to Fletchertown Road in search of the Goatman of Bowie. 1275 01:08:57,926 --> 01:09:01,206 Even years later, when the story of Ginger the Dog 1276 01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:03,380 was revealed to have been a hoax, 1277 01:09:03,484 --> 01:09:06,280 the legend had grown well beyond the newsprint 1278 01:09:06,383 --> 01:09:09,559 and was now part of modern folklore. 1279 01:09:09,662 --> 01:09:11,906 Hundreds of people flock to Lake Worth 1280 01:09:12,009 --> 01:09:14,219 when the sensational sightings were mentioned 1281 01:09:14,322 --> 01:09:16,842 on local television news. 1282 01:09:16,945 --> 01:09:19,672 Deaths on the Pope Lick Trestle that were once 1283 01:09:19,776 --> 01:09:23,331 seen as accidental were now shrouded in mystery 1284 01:09:23,435 --> 01:09:26,300 due to the popularization of an urban legend 1285 01:09:26,403 --> 01:09:29,130 through an independent film. 1286 01:09:29,234 --> 01:09:31,650 In every major case of the Goatman, 1287 01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:35,101 there lies a strong media backing to the legend. 1288 01:09:35,205 --> 01:09:38,657 And with every legend tripper that seeks out the Goatman 1289 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,764 and has an experience either real or imagined, 1290 01:09:42,868 --> 01:09:46,320 the mythos continues to grow. 1291 01:09:46,423 --> 01:09:50,531 I think part of the reason why there are so many origin stories 1292 01:09:50,634 --> 01:09:56,468 and such variants has, in part, to do with the explanatory power 1293 01:09:56,571 --> 01:09:58,124 of things over time. 1294 01:09:58,228 --> 01:10:02,059 And what I mean by that is 150, 200 years ago, you 1295 01:10:02,163 --> 01:10:06,754 would have had sort of agrarian, naturalistic explanations 1296 01:10:06,857 --> 01:10:10,067 for things, yet mundane sort of reasons 1297 01:10:10,171 --> 01:10:14,071 that a Goatman might appear. 1298 01:10:14,175 --> 01:10:19,076 In other words, a fleshly union between farmer and animal, 1299 01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:22,494 as sickening as that is to consider, 1300 01:10:22,597 --> 01:10:26,256 that is one stream of explanatory story 1301 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,982 that was given about that. 1302 01:10:28,085 --> 01:10:33,159 And then you start to bring in folk religion, witchcraft, 1303 01:10:33,263 --> 01:10:34,126 and so forth. 1304 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,336 And now, the devil and dark forces 1305 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,478 become to swirl into the story, where if some sort 1306 01:10:41,582 --> 01:10:43,825 of pact or agreement was made. 1307 01:10:43,929 --> 01:10:47,760 Then that would result in a necessary consequence of making 1308 01:10:47,864 --> 01:10:49,555 a deal with the devil, is you have to pay 1309 01:10:49,659 --> 01:10:51,454 a price that you don't expect. 1310 01:10:51,557 --> 01:10:56,182 And certainly, being forced into the form of a goat man 1311 01:10:56,286 --> 01:11:01,049 would qualify as one of those terrible prices to pay. 1312 01:11:01,153 --> 01:11:04,363 And then, with the rise of science as something 1313 01:11:04,467 --> 01:11:07,573 that explains everything, you get into then stories 1314 01:11:07,677 --> 01:11:10,921 having to do with breeding taking place, 1315 01:11:11,025 --> 01:11:15,719 normally in a secret facility where, evidently, DNA 1316 01:11:15,823 --> 01:11:17,963 of some type could be spliced. 1317 01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:21,000 And that sort of rules the creation, 1318 01:11:21,104 --> 01:11:25,073 if you will, of a creature like Goatman or Sheepman, 1319 01:11:25,177 --> 01:11:26,972 where you're moving away from a kind 1320 01:11:27,075 --> 01:11:30,700 of spiritual religious overtone into the realm 1321 01:11:30,803 --> 01:11:35,808 of a scientific, reasonable explanation. 1322 01:11:35,912 --> 01:11:39,778 Goatman is generally always, at least 1323 01:11:39,881 --> 01:11:42,021 in the stories I've looked at, somehow 1324 01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:44,990 intimately tied to human nature. 1325 01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:47,613 Again, if we look at Pan and those early stories 1326 01:11:47,717 --> 01:11:51,065 that talks about how humankind interacted with the wild, 1327 01:11:51,168 --> 01:11:54,137 how we viewed wild places, and what we learned to fear, 1328 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,210 it symbolizes this mash up of humanity and something wild. 1329 01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,039 And again, a lot of cryptids do that. 1330 01:12:00,143 --> 01:12:03,388 But these modern Goatman stories, the origin stories 1331 01:12:03,491 --> 01:12:07,081 are always racism, genetic experiments 1332 01:12:07,184 --> 01:12:11,741 gone wrong, humans and animals intermixing, just bad things. 1333 01:12:11,844 --> 01:12:14,882 A lot of cryptid stories, we get monsters that 1334 01:12:14,985 --> 01:12:16,470 kind of represent humanity. 1335 01:12:16,573 --> 01:12:19,024 They're upright, maybe they're hominids, Bigfoot stories. 1336 01:12:19,127 --> 01:12:21,854 But Goatman reports seem to, again, just talk 1337 01:12:21,958 --> 01:12:23,960 about the worst parts of humankind. 1338 01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:28,240 Science gone wrong, racial prejudice, greed, violence. 1339 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,138 There's never anything positive in there. 1340 01:12:30,242 --> 01:12:32,071 There's never anything that we look at and go, 1341 01:12:32,175 --> 01:12:34,350 that makes me feel a little bit better about the world. 1342 01:12:34,453 --> 01:12:37,422 Unlike with, say, again, Bigfoot encounters 1343 01:12:37,525 --> 01:12:40,321 or some other potentially unclassified animals, 1344 01:12:40,425 --> 01:12:41,460 the Loch Monster. 1345 01:12:41,564 --> 01:12:43,117 People have these encounters and it changes 1346 01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:44,532 their life for the better. 1347 01:12:44,636 --> 01:12:48,156 I don't think we've heard a story like that about Goatman. 1348 01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:49,813 The locations where 1349 01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:54,059 he's a known legend, like the trestle at Pope Lick, 1350 01:12:54,162 --> 01:12:58,339 so you have those types of stories, which probably 1351 01:12:58,443 --> 01:13:00,859 not even a morsel of truth in them, 1352 01:13:00,962 --> 01:13:04,449 but you have sightings of creatures 1353 01:13:04,552 --> 01:13:09,212 that very much could be in the realm of real experience. 1354 01:13:09,315 --> 01:13:11,110 Like perhaps a lot of these sightings 1355 01:13:11,214 --> 01:13:14,355 have nothing to do with the outlandish stories they've been 1356 01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:16,771 given, people are experiencing them 1357 01:13:16,875 --> 01:13:19,118 and then people are attaching plot 1358 01:13:19,222 --> 01:13:21,914 lines from movies and comic books 1359 01:13:22,018 --> 01:13:25,401 and campfire stories to these sightings. 1360 01:13:25,504 --> 01:13:27,817 I think there's so many different versions 1361 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,820 of Goatman just because again, sort of exists 1362 01:13:30,923 --> 01:13:33,926 as this primordial fear that we have, 1363 01:13:34,030 --> 01:13:38,206 this idea of fear of the woods, fear of the unknown, 1364 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:41,589 and the idea of going back, again, to Pan, 1365 01:13:41,693 --> 01:13:43,729 the trickster God of the woods. 1366 01:13:43,833 --> 01:13:46,525 There was essentially a Goatman entity that 1367 01:13:46,629 --> 01:13:49,148 would lure you to your doom. 1368 01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:53,843 Maybe that sort of memory, that genetic memory that we have 1369 01:13:53,946 --> 01:13:56,639 of danger in the woods, has been personified 1370 01:13:56,742 --> 01:14:00,332 into the idea of this Goatman-like figure that-- 1371 01:14:00,436 --> 01:14:04,198 now that can exist all across the world, in every state, 1372 01:14:04,301 --> 01:14:09,928 in every country, in every dark wooded area that we wander into, 1373 01:14:10,031 --> 01:14:13,069 the idea of this goat man waiting there to get us 1374 01:14:13,172 --> 01:14:16,141 can exist and live and thrive, and is probably experienced 1375 01:14:16,244 --> 01:14:19,420 by numerous amounts of people. 1376 01:14:19,524 --> 01:14:23,320 When considering the archetype of a Goatman, 1377 01:14:23,424 --> 01:14:25,081 I think there are many different influences 1378 01:14:25,184 --> 01:14:28,153 and we have to accept that many of our cryptids 1379 01:14:28,256 --> 01:14:31,777 are actually examples of what I call composite identity, 1380 01:14:31,881 --> 01:14:33,607 meaning there's different influences 1381 01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:37,783 coming together to form this one specific archetype. 1382 01:14:37,887 --> 01:14:41,407 And so, for example, the idea of a half-man, half-goat 1383 01:14:41,511 --> 01:14:43,237 goes back a long time. 1384 01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:47,690 In the fifth century BC, we find the first Greek interpretations 1385 01:14:47,793 --> 01:14:50,865 of creatures known as satyrs, which are essentially 1386 01:14:50,969 --> 01:14:53,454 forest beings that are often portrayed 1387 01:14:53,558 --> 01:14:57,009 as having goat-like features big ears, horns. 1388 01:14:57,113 --> 01:15:00,841 So that particular idea has been around a very, very long time. 1389 01:15:00,944 --> 01:15:03,291 And then that evolved over time, and I 1390 01:15:03,395 --> 01:15:06,605 think those ancient Greek mythologies 1391 01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:09,435 and legends were adapted by the Romans, 1392 01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:11,645 and the satyrs became the fauns. 1393 01:15:11,748 --> 01:15:14,371 And then as Christianity took over, 1394 01:15:14,475 --> 01:15:17,754 a lot of these old pagan ideas of things like satyrs 1395 01:15:17,858 --> 01:15:19,722 were kind of pushed to the side. 1396 01:15:19,825 --> 01:15:22,276 And then eventually, early interpretations 1397 01:15:22,379 --> 01:15:27,523 of Satan or the devil began to resemble a half-man, half-goat, 1398 01:15:27,626 --> 01:15:29,939 almost as if Christianity was saying, 1399 01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:34,737 OK, well, these old pagan ideas of goatmen, these are demons. 1400 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,255 These are the devil. 1401 01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:41,433 And so the Goatman, therefore, become an evil entity. 1402 01:15:41,537 --> 01:15:45,161 It's become kind of an embodiment of pure evil 1403 01:15:45,264 --> 01:15:47,646 or demonic activity. 1404 01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:49,924 And furthermore, I think we have to acknowledge 1405 01:15:50,028 --> 01:15:53,272 that a lot of urban legends and campfire tales 1406 01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:56,379 actually migrate and evolve. 1407 01:15:56,482 --> 01:15:58,450 And as different communities and areas 1408 01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:03,144 adapt these monster stories, they put their own brand on it. 1409 01:16:03,248 --> 01:16:07,252 There are always some similar themes or motifs in terms of, 1410 01:16:07,355 --> 01:16:10,117 it's out in the woods, in a remote area, 1411 01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:14,915 or near an old spooky stone bridge. 1412 01:16:15,018 --> 01:16:19,022 So the basic themes remain the same. 1413 01:16:19,126 --> 01:16:21,300 I think a good parallel example are 1414 01:16:21,404 --> 01:16:25,235 these legends of giant catfish living under dams. 1415 01:16:25,339 --> 01:16:27,513 And I've been to many places in the United States-- 1416 01:16:27,617 --> 01:16:31,207 Arizona, Georgia, Texas-- where I've heard this recurring story 1417 01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:34,659 about below a dam, there are these car-sized catfish 1418 01:16:34,762 --> 01:16:37,869 that will swallow people and animals and things. 1419 01:16:37,972 --> 01:16:42,183 And so you find these similar legends in different places, 1420 01:16:42,287 --> 01:16:45,290 and it's almost as if they kind of migrated. 1421 01:16:45,393 --> 01:16:47,637 Similarly, a lot of these Goatman stories 1422 01:16:47,741 --> 01:16:51,399 may have migrated from Europe, with European immigrants 1423 01:16:51,503 --> 01:16:55,162 that brought some of the old world stories and tall tales. 1424 01:17:01,893 --> 01:17:04,343 And finally, there's an aspect in terms 1425 01:17:04,447 --> 01:17:08,244 of when you consider what occurs at Lovers' Lane areas. 1426 01:17:08,347 --> 01:17:12,697 Teenagers are lustful, they're looking to party, 1427 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,906 so they're out there, they're drinking, 1428 01:17:15,009 --> 01:17:17,736 they're doing things that their parents don't want them to do. 1429 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,189 And so it's almost like there's an unconscious connection here 1430 01:17:22,292 --> 01:17:25,330 to ancient Greek mythology and the satyrs, who were 1431 01:17:25,433 --> 01:17:27,366 the original party animals. 1432 01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:29,230 They were out with Dionysus, they 1433 01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:32,682 were drinking wine, they were debaucherous, chasing women. 1434 01:17:32,786 --> 01:17:36,134 And so I think by associating the Goatman legends 1435 01:17:36,237 --> 01:17:38,136 with these remote Lovers' Lane areas, 1436 01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:39,896 it's almost like we're harkening back 1437 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,693 to the earlier age of paganism and the types 1438 01:17:43,797 --> 01:17:46,592 of debauchery that occur in places where 1439 01:17:46,696 --> 01:17:48,042 people are not supposed to go. 1440 01:17:52,046 --> 01:17:55,118 What sets the Goatman legendarium 1441 01:17:55,222 --> 01:17:57,120 apart from other cryptid stories is 1442 01:17:57,224 --> 01:18:01,159 that I think it's hard to even consider it a cryptid. 1443 01:18:01,262 --> 01:18:05,542 If we're taking of an old school approach to cryptozoology 1444 01:18:05,646 --> 01:18:09,719 and saying that a cryptid is simply an animal that's 1445 01:18:09,823 --> 01:18:12,377 gone undiscovered and uncatalogued, 1446 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,483 but it's out there waiting to be found, 1447 01:18:15,587 --> 01:18:20,247 Goatman doesn't appear to be that kind of entity whatsoever. 1448 01:18:20,350 --> 01:18:24,458 It doesn't seem to occupy a physical space. 1449 01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:28,427 Spiritual space, perhaps, or a folkloric space, yes, 1450 01:18:28,531 --> 01:18:31,430 depending on what stories you're listening to. 1451 01:18:31,534 --> 01:18:34,537 Monsters associated with Goatman legends 1452 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,334 have done things like kill people. 1453 01:18:38,437 --> 01:18:44,202 But when you're asked to produce even an obituary, 1454 01:18:44,305 --> 01:18:47,032 you run into dead ends immediately. 1455 01:18:47,136 --> 01:18:53,418 So I think the central issue is that Goatman is like a cryptid, 1456 01:18:53,521 --> 01:18:58,078 wedded with urban legend, wedded with folklore and stories 1457 01:18:58,181 --> 01:19:00,908 that humans have been telling ever 1458 01:19:01,012 --> 01:19:04,740 since they could tell stories. 1459 01:19:04,843 --> 01:19:07,018 The Goatman, it seems, 1460 01:19:07,121 --> 01:19:11,229 is greater than the sum of all of its pieces. 1461 01:19:11,332 --> 01:19:13,438 It is more than folklore. 1462 01:19:13,541 --> 01:19:16,372 It is more than a cryptid. 1463 01:19:16,475 --> 01:19:18,443 It is something that has seemingly 1464 01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:22,343 existed alongside humankind for thousands of years, 1465 01:19:22,447 --> 01:19:26,278 and yet never physically existed. 1466 01:19:26,382 --> 01:19:30,110 Perhaps it's the inexplicable nature of the Goatman 1467 01:19:30,213 --> 01:19:34,631 that keeps us coming back to that bridge after dark, 1468 01:19:34,735 --> 01:19:37,496 or stepping into the woods in hopes of adding 1469 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,223 our own experience to the legend, 1470 01:19:40,327 --> 01:19:44,469 perpetuating the mystery well into the future. 116928

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