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[bluegrass]
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Now, when y'all get up there,
you going to have to be careful.
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And look at where
you're walking and stuff.
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I mean, it's cold enough,
I don't...I don't think
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there's any snakes out today.
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But you don't never know.
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We have a lot of
snakes out here.
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It's amazing how quick they
can cut something like this.
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I mean, they cut this
probably less than two weeks.
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Every time I come out
here, you'll hear it.
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[makes buzzing sound]
And it's logging.
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[heavy machinery
buzzes, whirs]
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[creaks, slams to the ground]
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[bluegrass]
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[music becomes ominous]
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[pensive music]
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- We call these areas
bottomland hardwoods.
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They're called that because they
occur in these low, flat bottoms
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that surround the big
rivers in the coastal plain,
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along the Atlantic.
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These bottomland hardwoods are
really among our most valuable
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forests because they are wetland
forest and so connected to the
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rivers and the water system.
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- The bottomland wetland
forests along the rivers and in
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the swamps represent the last
remnants of what we could call
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natural ecosystems
across the South.
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And they also happen to be
the most critical in terms of
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ecosystem services, or those
services that we humans
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depend on for life
and for our safety:
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Clean water, flood
control, not to mention
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that these forests are
also incredibly diverse.
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And we're tearing them
down at an alarming rate...
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and burning them
in power stations.
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When policies were created
that incentivized biomass as
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"carbon-free" source of energy,
that was when we started to see
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popping up all over the country
more freestanding biomass
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power plants that are
burning wood for electricity.
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And also these enormous pellet
plants that are making fuel that
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then gets shipped to Europe.
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- We started getting reports
from eastern North Carolina
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in particular that vast areas
of wetland forest were being
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cut to supply wood
pellets to Europe.
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We become involved when we
learned that, contrary to the
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representations by the
companies, that they were using
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sawdust and other wood waste
that, in fact, they're cutting
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whole forests, whole trees as
their primary source of biomass.
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- Enviva come to this
community and said,
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"We're going to bring jobs
and going to be green.
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We're going behind loggers,
and we're just going to
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take the trash stuff.
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And that's what we're going
to make into these pellets."
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And that ain't
what they've done.
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I mean, it's not even close.
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If you don't believe it,
go to the Enviva site
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and look at all the damn logs.
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And I don't mind saying they've
flat-out lied to this community.
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Lied to me.
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[bright bluegrass]
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- One of the roles that Dogwood
Alliance has played is really
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investigating the on-the-ground
practices of the industry.
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And how we do that is we
identify the sites in which
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the industry is harvesting
its feed stocks for pellets.
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And then from there,
we go down to the ground,
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and we ground truth.
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[sloshing steps]
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We identify that those sites are
actually sourcing the facility.
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We follow the trucks directly
from the site to the facility.
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[camera clicks]
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We follow trucks from the
facility back to the site,
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and we document
that extensively.
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Then from there, we'll
document the site itself.
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- Enviva's raw
materials consist of....
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ADAM: When you go into
these wetlands, you'll notice
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that many of the trees are, as
they say, deformed or diseased.
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The trees are
naturally hollow inside.
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They can take what they call
low-value wood, this unwanted
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wood that needs a
home, and chop it up.
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DERB: The wood-based
biomass industry in the South
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didn't exist here
five years ago.
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This map shows the
existing pellet mills
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and those that
have been proposed.
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And overlapping sourcing areas
accelerating cut and harvest
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of hardwoods and swamp
forest in the region.
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What's clear is that there's a
concentration in what we call
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the coastal plain within
100 miles or so of the coast.
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The reason for that is
this is all for export.
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So the trees will be harvested,
pelletized, and then taken to
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a port and
transported to Europe.
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This industry's
been deceptive.
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They have misrepresented
their sourcing.
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But I actually put at
fault the countries
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that are behind
these policies.
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The European Union got
together, well, probably
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10 years ago, and said,
"We're going to be
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the global leaders on this.
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We're going to cut our emissions
of fossil fuel carbon dioxide.
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So you've got to supply 20% of
your power from carbon-neutral
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or non-carbon
emitting sources."
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It was a laudable thing to do
except that, I think without
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thinking, they
decided that biomass
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should be carbon-neutral.
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That biomass energy is seen
as a carbon-neutral option,
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it's a pure
political decision.
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Here in Brussels, they more
or less promised that Europe
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will deliver, by 2020,
20% renewables.
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So then the only thing that
was very important is, OK,
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let's make sure we will
be delivering on this 20%.
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Biomass is pretty easy.
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You just get some wood and throw
it in a coal-fired power plant,
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and you do co-firing.
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You don't need to
change any infrastructure.
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So it is an easy one, and you
do get to your percentages.
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So therefore, any idea to say,
"Hey, but don't we need to do
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proper accounting," was a
bit put on the back burner.
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So it's, "Yeah, we'll
come to that later on."
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And that's all pure politics
in order to make sure that
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no matter what, this 20%
by 2020 will be achieved.
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DERB: The United Kingdom decided
its approach is going to rely
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heavily on converting old
coal-fired power plants
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to burn wood biomass.
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And a big culprit of that is
Drax Power Station, which is
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the biggest carbon emitter
in the UK, the biggest
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power station in the UK,
and the biggest burner of wood
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for electricity in the world.
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We're in the middle of
implementing a project to
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turn it from being a coal
station that burns a little bit
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of biomass to a biomass station
that burns a little bit of coal.
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In forestry, it's mainly
when you harvest a tree,
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there are lots of twigs,
branches that aren't used.
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And also when you plant
a forest, you overplant,
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and then you thin.
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That is what we call biomass.
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DUNCAN: Last year, it burnt
about 7 million tons of wood.
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And by the time its program
of conversion to 50% biomass
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is complete, it will be burning
more than 15 million tons
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of wood a year.
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That's 1 1/2 times the
entire UK production of
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wood for all purposes.
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The subsidies are a
very significant part of
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their economic model.
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The UK taxpayer, or bill
payer--because it comes out of
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our power bills--is paying
disproportionately large amounts
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for a so-called renewable
technology that is destroying
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forests, biodiversity, and
making climate change worse.
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- If you're interested in
reducing emissions now, then
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burning something that puts more
carbon into the air than the
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thing you're replacing, which
is coal, doesn't make sense.
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Nothing could be
further from the truth.
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When you burn wood pellets or
other kinds of woody biomass,
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what you're releasing in the
atmosphere is biogenic carbon.
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Biogenic carbon is part of
the natural lifecycle of wood.
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It's about what
the atmosphere sees.
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That's the only
thing that matters here,
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is what does the
atmosphere see?
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How much carbon is
the atmosphere seeing
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when you burn
different kinds of fuel?
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And it's just a fact that
there's more carbon coming out
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of the stack when you burn
wood than when you burn coal.
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[ominous music]
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The physics are the physics.
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There's CO2 coming
out of the stack.
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There's nothing special about
that CO2 that makes it have less
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climate-warming potential
than fossil fuel CO2.
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What's different with bioenergy
is that there's an assumption
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that sometime in the future
those emissions will be offset.
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No one's making
sure that happens.
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There is no bioenergy company
that I'm aware of that is
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actually managing forests and
assuredly proving that the wood
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that they burn today, which is
emitting CO2, is being offset
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by new trees being planted,
which are equivalent in mass
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to the trees that
they just cut.
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If you want to be sustainable,
that means that you have to be
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restoring an area 20, 30 times
as large, so that you're soaking
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up as much carbon from the
atmosphere as you put into
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the atmosphere when
you burn that wood.
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A fourth-grader will tell you,
trees are big, and seedlings
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are small. And it
really is that simple.
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The industry likes to make
it sound like it's super
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complicated, you know,
"Leave it to the experts.
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Don't trouble your heads.
We got it under control.
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We would never do
anything to harm the climate."
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Well, they are, and
they will, and they do.
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And they'll get
you to back them up
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by telling you
that it's green and clean.
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You end up being duped
by this industry.
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The UK department of environment
has come out with a report that
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shows that the use of wood
pellets for energy actually
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decreases the greenhouse gas
footprint of energy between
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74% to 90% as opposed
to the use of coal.
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- Switching to biomass from coal
can reduce carbon emissions by
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between 74% and 90%.
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MARY: The claims that Enviva is
making are based on just not
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counting any of the CO2 that's
emitted when you burn biomass.
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The carbon accounting framework
that they use only counts the
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emissions that are associatd
with harvesting and transport.
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But they would not count they
CO2 that's emitted by burning it
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at the stack.
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And this was identified as the
critical climate accounting
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error in the Tim Searchinger
et al. paper, which was so
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important in getting this
conversation started.
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- So here's where the actual
accounting error came from.
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In a long story, we ended up
developing an accounting rule
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for global national reporting,
that said for bioenergy purposes
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we're going to count the carbon
when you cut down the tree, so
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we don't have to count it again
when it goes up the smoke stack.
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That rule works if and only
if you're actually counting
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the carbon when you
cut down the tree.
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[chain saw revs]
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MARY: But the U.S. isn't really
reporting those numbers,
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at least not in an official way,
and the UK is not reporting
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trees that are being cut down
in the United States.
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So when it comes to
those trees being burned
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in UK power plants, those
emissions are treated as zero.
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Because if you were counting
it both when the tree is cut
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and at the power plant, then
you'd be double counting it.
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TIM: So a rule that's designed
to prevent you from counting
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carbon twice became a rule that
says you never count it at all.
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Once that mistake
had been made,
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all kinds of people
started thinking
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"Well, bioenergy can help
solve our climate crisis."
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The problem is that this mistake
happened to also co-exist in
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a way that would allow
people to make a lot of money.
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- By reliably providing
customers throughout the world
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with an alternative to coal,
Enviva is part of a cleaner,
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greener, low-carbon
energy future.
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The only green in this industry
is the enormous amount of money
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that these speculators are
making in this pellet industry
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in response to a policy in
Europe that makes no sense.
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- That wood as energy is carbon-
neutral or is zero-carbon,
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comes from the notion
that if you burn something,
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something else will
grow and absorb the same
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amount of carbon dioxide.
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I used to accept
that without question.
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I thought, "Well,
this is great, yeah.
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Sure, this is wonderful.
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What a great way to
deal with this problem."
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What I hadn't thought about was
the lag time, and the lag time
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is hugely important.
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MARY: Yes, these trees may grow
back in time, but we don't have
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50, 70, 100 years to wait
for those trees to grow back,
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to take that carbon
out of the atmosphere.
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We need to
do it right away.
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BILL: We've jumped to a
conclusion on a very simple
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notion of carbon-in
carbon-out of trees.
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And because it grows back,
it's carbon-neutral,
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but it's not planet-neutral.
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[bird calling]
Pileated Woodpecker.
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This land has been in
my family since 1898.
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Some of these tress
are over 140 years old.
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When I was small, our outings
were squirrel hunting,
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and we'd walk through these
huge forests, trees so tall
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that you couldn't
see the tops.
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I felt like I had
stepped off into a adventure.
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And now where they've logged and
there's planted in pines, when
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you walk in the woods there,
you walk in the reed thickets.
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You can't see the ground
for the reeds and briars.
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And every tree is
planted in a row,
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and they're all the same.
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Some of the land around here,
I've seen it cut three times
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in my lifetime.
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It started out as hardwoods
and ended up as pines.
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My neighbors tried talked
me into logging mine at the
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same time they logged theirs.
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They said they could come
right in and knock it out
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in just a little while.
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I said, "Yeah, it's a shame that
they could devastate a forest
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that took 150 years to develop,
and they could wipe it out
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in a couple of weeks."
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Well, both my neighbors come to
me after they had theirs logged
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and said it wasn't
worth the money.
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They wished they
had their trees back.
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And you can come in here
in the early summer,
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and there's millions
of fireflies back here.
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And the whole ground,
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they're just blinking,
millions and millions of them.
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[bird call] Our woodpecker
friend is back.
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I invite each and every one of
you to join the SOS, Save Our
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Southern forest movement,
because it's as much about
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pushing back the wood
pellet industry as it is about
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projecting a better future
and scaling up protection
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of our forest here
in the southern U.S.
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[upbeat bluegrass]
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[cheering, laughing]
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ADAM: People are filling out SOS
messages, and they're going to
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be sent to the President
of the European Union.
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Europe is developing
what they're calling
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the 2030 package.
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So that's their
post-2020 climate plan,
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the well-intentioned plan
that set off this industry.
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This is taking that local
action on a global scale.
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CROWD: Save our Southern
forest! [cheers]
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[applause]
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So thank you all so much
for coming out tonight.
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We're really excited to
be here in Panama City.
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In 2009, we were exporting
a couple hundred tons
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of wood pellets
a year, the U.S. South.
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A couple hundred tons
is not a lot.
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In 2014, we exported over five
million, just a explosion of
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an industry that's being
completely driven by subsidies.
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There's no one better to protect
the forest of the panhandle
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than the citizens
of the panhandle.
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We're really concerned that
a lot of the private lands
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in these flood plains
now have a new market.
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They claim that they only
use wood that is not usable
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for lumber and other uses.
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They imply that wood residues
such as bark, saw dust,
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tree tops, limbs make up
most of their raw material.
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- What got sold to us as a
really green, bio-diverse
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biomass project
was a lie, folks.
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I mean, it was just a
damn bold-faced lie.
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ADAM: There are constant trucks
coming in there loaded with
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whole trees, mostly pine,
trees that are going
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into this facility to be
processed into pellets.
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- How many trucks
did you count?
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- There was 10 with trees and
8 with chips the whole time.
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- What was that,
in 20 minutes?
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- 20 minutes 19 trucks:
It's almost a truck a minute.
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- That's pretty crazy.
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The pellet industry here in
North Carolina has worked with
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our state department of
commerce, who care more about
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the pellet industry than they do
about the local communities that
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are going to be adversely
affected by these pellet mills.
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- It's loud.
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You can hear it more
at night than daytime.
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The banging, it
sounds like somebody's
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just banging in a pan.
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The dust, we're breathing it.
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I let them know that it was
not right for us to jump up
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and leave, just because
you know, this plant.
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REPORTER: In North Carolina,
a small community's
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quiet lifestyle
has been disrupted.
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Some have even moved out.
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You have residents that are
stuck here because this is home.
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They can't afford to, you know,
just pick up because something
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came in their neighborhood
that's disrupting their lives.
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They're being aggravated
now with the constant noise,
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the constant trucks 24/7.
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DANNA: That's bad enough, but
a lot of people don't realize
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the extent of logging that's
occurring in the southern
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United States is significantly
impacting these rural
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communities' ability to
revitalize their economy.
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One of the reasons why these
communities continue to be poor
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is because the
landscape is so degraded.
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If logging were a way to
pull these communities
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out of poverty, they would be
some of the richest communities
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in the world, because
we're at global ground zero
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for industrial logging.
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- The loss of natural
vegetation types in the region
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has been profound.
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96%, 97% of the longleaf
ecosystem having been lost
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over the last several centuries,
and something like 3/4
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of the landscape is now covered
by fields, cities, highways,
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pine plantations that do not
provide the kind of
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bio-diversity values
that natural or even
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semi-natural forests provide.
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There's an important distinction
to be made between natural and
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semi-natural forests
and pine plantations.
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They differ in
quite profound ways.
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We do sampling of forests and
plantations where we basically
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catalogue all the plant
species in an area
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roughly the size of a house.
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In a natural forest, we often
find 80 or 90 or 120 or even 150
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different plant species
growing in that small an area.
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In general, in pine plantations,
we just find a few species.
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That means that the remaining
natural and semi-natural forests
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that we have in the southeastern
United States are bearing an
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increasing burden for
maintaining the biodiversity
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for the whole region.
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The southeast U.S. as a
ecoregion is the most heavily
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disturbed forest
landscape in the world.
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On a percentage basis, we
estimate in roughly a decade's
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worth of time a third of the
tree cover is either re-growing
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or cleared, and that percentage
is higher than any other
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like landscape globally.
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And it's really just the
turning of the landscape
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into a tree farm.
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- What we've seen is a huge
increase in these industrial
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tree plantations,
these tree cornfields.
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This has been a real scam and a
ploy that the forestry industry
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has really promoted and been
happy about, because they want
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to be able to grow these tree
plantations and harvest and get
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more and more, and more and
more, and that's a convenient
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industrial
monoculture way to do that.
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And if you call it a forest,
they get all the kudos for
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growing forests, but they're
not planting forests.
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They're planting monocultures.
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A plantation is
nothing like this.
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In a plantation you
have one species of tree.
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They're often managed
with herbicides, if they're
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coniferous plantations, to
get rid of everything else.
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Fertilizers are being used.
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That means they're impacting
the soil community as well.
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So what you have is a
very compromised system
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that really lacks that
biotic diversity and has
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less resilience than
a forest like this.
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So this structure out here,
these stumps, the downed debris
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of limbs and trunks of trees is
called coarse woody debris, and
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there's whole hosts of fungi,
beetles, bacteria, all sorts of
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things that are just
specialized to decomposing
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coarse, woody debris.
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So if it's present, your system
is much more biologically
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diverse and much
more resilient.
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If a person has a compromised
immune system, they're much more
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likely to get sick, or if
they get sick, have serious
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complications
from that illness.
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Well, all the biota in that
coarse, woody debris is part of
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the immune system of
a forest ecosystem.
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It's part of that resiliency.
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DANNA: The amount of wood
that is going to be required
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to generate even
a small fraction
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of our electricity
needs is huge.
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- FuturaGene's solution:
Sustainable biomass production
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through genetically
modified plantation forestry.
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FuturaGene, Arborgen...
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there are a number of
other companies that have been
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promoting the idea that if
we can engineer trees to grow
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really fast, or have certain
properties that make them easier
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to harvest, or to otherwise be
more useful to our bioenergy
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demands, that we can
grow more wood on less land.
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That's what they keep saying:
More wood on less land.
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- Using biotechnology,
we are going to cultivate
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more productive and
sustainable forests.
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It's good for the
environment and for you.
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With trees, especially
wind-pollinated trees,
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ones that can hybridize, I'd
be really worried about those
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manufactured genes getting
into natural populations.
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And who knows how they
morph or what that does.
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We're in our infancy
understanding these systems,
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and when we start doing stuff
like this, when we don't really
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understand fully what the
outcomes are, we could find
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that we're really messing
things up in a big way.
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[birds, insects
fill the forest]
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We cut timber pretty much
annually, so we're constantly
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working at cutting timber.
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We got more timber now than
we had when we got started.
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So you don't have to have
it in rows and have it where
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it's got to be a crop.
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We're growing timber out here,
but we're also dealing with
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being able to keep endangered
species where everybody else
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is losing that.
We got Gopher tortoises.
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We got wire grass.
We got the ground oak.
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We got the
Red-Cockaded woodpecker.
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We got all of that.
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You can sell quality for a lot
bigger price than quantity.
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So this is perfect.
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I mean, it's your
cake and eating it too.
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- Okay. And largely right here,
it's biomass is an emerging
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market, and here I have in
parentheses for all of us.
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Yes, I know we've been using
biomass in the industry
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for quite a long time, but
not to the potential scale
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that some people
have been talking about.
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So when people talk about
massively increasing bioenergy,
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what they're talking about is
massively increasing the amount
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of trees we
harvest on the planet.
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The mistake that thinking that
trees are carbon-free, which
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leads you to harvest wood, could
become a truly dramatic mistake,
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if you keep making
that mistake.
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One study that was done by
researchers at University of
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Maryland, basically showed
that to produce something on
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the order of a little more than
20%, 30% of world energy by
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2100, you would've cut down
all the world's forests.
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If there is this incentive for
industry to go into wood pellet
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production, and hardwoods
are preferred, there's
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a finite resource
in the southeast.
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And where are the remaining
hardwood forests in the U.S.?
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You think about the 50-100 year
re-growth in the mid-Atlantic
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northeast, these are the big
stands of hardwood forests.
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And if this incentive and driver
is there, you could imagine
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displacement outside of the
southeast into higher latitude
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forests, from Maryland up to
Maine, as being a source
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for "green" energy.
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[atmospheric music]
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- The forests of the eastern
U.S. are almost the only place
474
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on planet earth that went from
brown to green over the course
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of the last century, as they re
-grew, as people stepped back,
476
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as we began to preserve either
because of the accidents of
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economics or through
conscious public policy.
478
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The planet tries
valiantly to sequester carbon.
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It does it in the oceans,
and it does it in the forests
480
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primarily, and these
temperate forests
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are big sinks for carbon.
482
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And it's safely locked up
for the moment in those trees.
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TOM: If we truly want to
mitigate climate change,
484
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then we've got to
make sure our forests
485
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are storing
a lot of carbon.
486
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Leaves are basically
like photovoltaic panels.
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Instead of making electric
current, they're making
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energy storage molecules.
489
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So they're taking
in carbon dioxide.
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That's going in through small
holes on the underside of
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the leaf called
stomatal pores.
492
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So a leaf like this
would just have millions
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of stomata under here.
494
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The carbon dioxide goes into
the cells in the leaf where
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photosynthesis takes place,
and the roots of the tree
496
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are taking up water.
497
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That's another valuable
resource in this process.
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The cells are removing the
oxygen from the carbon dioxide
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molecule, removing the oxygen
from the water molecule.
500
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That oxygen from the water
molecule gets released into
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the air so we can breathe.
502
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Then they link the hydrogen
atoms onto the carbon atoms,
503
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converting it into sugars, which
is an energy storage molecule.
504
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Those can get converted into
cellulose and lignan to make
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the wood of the trees
that are around us.
506
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In our forests, the soil
is the major carbon sink.
507
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By the time we get to about an
80-year-old forest around here,
508
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half of all the organic
material is down in the ground.
509
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It looks like a lot of
biomass in the trunks,
510
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in the leaves and
everything else.
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It's dwarfed by what is actually
down in the soil below our feet,
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where carbon ends up and organic
material ends up, and where you
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have all these mycorrhizal
fungi, that are linking
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everything together, creating
this system that's very tight in
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holding its nutrients
and very, very resilient.
516
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Mycorrhizae associate with the
roots of trees, and in that
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association, they extract their
carbohydrate energy from the
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tree roots, but
they're not parasites.
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They actually benefit the trees
they associate with, because the
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mycelium, or the fungus in the
soil, is so extensive that any
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tree that associates with
mycorrhizae can increase their
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nutrient water uptake
up to about tenfold.
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Not only are nutrients and water
going between plant species via
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the mycorrhizae, but energy
transfer is happening as well
525
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even between
different species of plants.
526
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And phytochemicals can convey
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plant information through
the mycorrhizal network.
528
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The mycorrhizae are critically
important in the health
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of these systems.
530
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[melancholy music]
531
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- I ran for mayor,
and I was elected mayor
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in the trough of the misery.
533
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The mill was closed and briefly
reopened, and then they were
534
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closed again when I got sworn in
with no prospects of reopening.
535
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Up until about 10 years ago,
northern New England
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relied heavily on
the paper industry.
537
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And at some point, the
multinational corporations
538
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that owned these paper mills
decided that it was a bad
539
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investment to keep modernizing
old mills, so they starved them
540
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out, liquidated their forest
holdings, sold them off.
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PAUL: We were losing tax base.
The community's getting older.
542
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We're not keeping
our young people.
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JAMIE: More than half of
the storefronts are vacant.
544
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So we're in the process
of trying to figure out
545
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how do we revive our economy?
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PAUL: We worked very hard to
get the Burgess Biopower plant
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permitted and up and running.
548
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[mellow jazz]
549
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Wall Street abandoned us.
It plundered our forests.
550
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It ran down our mills.
551
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It refused to invest
to keep them competitive,
552
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and then it dumped us.
553
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And you want to bring them back
and hope that the story is going
554
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to end better this next time?
555
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I don't see that.
556
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We have been going on two tracks
to re-invent our economy.
557
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One is to chase another
Wall Street investor to build
558
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some big factory.
559
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The other approach that is
gaining a lot of support in our
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communities here is to focus on
the sort of things that limit
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our vulnerability to
global economic forces.
562
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So let's focus on local
ownership of businesses instead
563
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of absentee
investors and ownership.
564
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Burgess represents the absolute
worst kind of public policy.
565
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It represents huge subsidies
that are going to players who
566
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don't live in our community, and
if they didn't get those credits
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and subsidies it wouldn't
make economic sense
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to invest in these plants.
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What nobody talks about is the
hidden subsidies that the public
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is giving them in the
form of externalities.
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TOM: Forests provide a huge
amount of services for us,
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besides just the wood
products they're growing.
573
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They're really critical
in the water cycle
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and clarifying water.
575
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They're critical
in erosion control.
576
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They're critical in sequestering
carbon, in producing oxygen,
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in removing pollutants.
578
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They do all sorts of services
that if we actually had to pay
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for them on our own, the
cost would be astronomical.
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So they have real important
roles for our well-being.
581
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[water burbling]
582
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- I'm looking here at the
gouge in the land here.
583
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Where there wasn't free-running
water before this logging
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operation, and now there's a
kind of a stream bed that's been
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cut carrying all kinds of
silt down into the brook
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at the bottom of the hill.
587
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- When you do a heavy logging
like that, you annihilate
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that mycorrhizal community.
589
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And of course, there's
a huge flush of nutrients
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right out of the forest soil.
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Not just carbon coming out from
decomposition, but huge flushes
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of, you know, nitrogen and
potassium and phosphorus, that
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go right out into
the watershed.
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And it takes a good 20 years
before that nutrient loss is
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stabilized as the
forest recovers.
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JAMIE: These folks in the
biomass plant are not paying for
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the damage that they're
inflicting to forest ecosystems.
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They're given a
free ride on that.
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If they had to pay for the
cost to society, it would be
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an impossible
thing to invest in.
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It would be a absolute
financial disaster.
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So it's only due to misguided
public policy that this
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kind of plant is
even plausible.
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It's an important question as to
whether our public subsidies are
605
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actually rewarding the most
efficient use of biomass.
606
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I think if we're going to use
wood for energy, we want to use
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it in the most
efficient manner possible.
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The whole reason to do it is
to displace fossil fuel use,
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and we want to displace as
much fossil fuel for unit of
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wood that we harvest.
611
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And in that sense you're
much better off using the wood
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to generate heat.
613
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Many people, particularly in
rural areas, heat their homes
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with wood.
615
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But that's not what
we're talking about here.
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We're talking about industrial
scale that is just devastating
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becauses it's so inefficient.
618
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The basic efficiency of burning
wood chips to make electricity
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alone is 25%.
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That also means that you are
discarding 75% of the energy.
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Well, if you've got a project
with 100 trucks a day going in
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to feed it, that means that 75
of them are being discarded.
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- They are burning trees at that
plant to the tune of 113 tons
624
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an hour, which is more biomass
than you would get if you went
625
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out and cut down an acre
of New Hampshire's forests.
626
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So they are burning the
equivalent of clear cutting
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more than acre an hour.
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To try to feed a 50-megawatt
plant or a 100-megawatt plant
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the amount of fuel is just
huge, and the distance you have
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to bring that wood is huge.
631
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:26,737
The fact that the whole tree
is removed, everything, even
632
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the rotten parts, you know, the
crooked parts, anything that
633
00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:34,779
can be run through a chipper,
the branches and the tops
634
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that have nutrients, that have
organic matter. All the things
635
00:43:38,883 --> 00:43:43,588
that help a forest be diverse
and to grow and be productive
636
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are taken from it.
637
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- Our forests are the greatest
carbon storage medium we have,
638
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and we should have public
policies that encourage that
639
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forest to store more carbon.
640
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That may run afoul of the
economics of commercial forest
641
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management, but I think the
emerging markets for forest
642
00:44:04,408 --> 00:44:07,512
carbon offsets can
help in that regard.
643
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It can provide landowners some
financial compensation for
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keeping more carbon on the
stump, than might otherwise
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make economic sense.
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JAMIE: Biomass is the ultimate
commodification of the forest.
647
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It's that simple.
648
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It treats it as an inanimate
object to be degraded or used
649
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and exploited for human
purposes with no consequences.
650
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And so I look at a
project like this, and I say,
651
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"This is what qualifies as
sustainable green, clean,
652
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carbon-free energy?"
653
00:44:44,715 --> 00:44:46,083
This is a disaster.
654
00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:50,488
This is not sustainable; and
it is not green, and it is not
655
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clean, and it is certainly
not carbon-neutral.
656
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The fact is Mr. President, that
biomass energy is a sustainable,
657
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responsible, renewable
and economically
658
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significant energy source.
659
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Susan Collin's quotes are lifted
directly from the website of
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the American Forest and Paper
Association word for word.
661
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Our amendment supports this
carbon-neutral energy source
662
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as an essential part of
our nation's energy future.
663
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If this amendment
goes through, it will have
664
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very serious consequences.
665
00:45:48,212 --> 00:45:51,449
First of all, it will mean
that in the, U.S. power plants
666
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trying to reduce their
greenhouse gas emissions under
667
00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:58,122
the clean power plan, would be
able to falsely claim that
668
00:45:58,122 --> 00:46:00,691
burning wood
reduces those emissions.
669
00:46:00,691 --> 00:46:02,693
But it's even more
significant than that because
670
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if the U.S. makes this error,
then countries all around
671
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the world will make the error.
672
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Next slide.
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What I'm trying to illustrate
here is if you think about it
674
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on a larger scale, when you cut
down a tree, it takes that stand
675
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:20,811
of timber less time to
sequester that carbon.
676
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And then when you think about it
on the landscape level, you know
677
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it's almost sort of an
instantaneous sequestration,
678
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so long as you have a positive
growth to drain ratio and
679
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sustainable forest
management practices.
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So this is a question.
681
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I'm Mary Booth with Partnership
for Policy Integrity.
682
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Given that EPA and the science
advisory panel explicitly
683
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disavowed the approach that
instantaneous sequestration
684
00:46:50,741 --> 00:46:57,682
happens, I'm wondering why the
panelists are advancing this
685
00:46:57,682 --> 00:47:01,852
completely discredited
approach to carbon accounting.
686
00:47:01,852 --> 00:47:04,055
It's not instantaneous.
687
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The atmosphere sees the carbon,
and it affects climate.
688
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EPA MC: Seth or Justin?
689
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SETH: Yeah, so I'm not sure
about the EPA's policies.
690
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I focus on economics
and the industry.
691
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So it's really important to
consider that too, that these
692
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are rational economic actors
who are managing the forests.
693
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And if a tree isn't
cut for biomass or pulp
694
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and paper or whatever, then
there's really no reason
695
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for it to be a forest
from an economic perspective.
696
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New Hampshire has an energy
strategy, and in that strategy
697
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one of the reasons in
support of biomass is to try
698
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to increase fuel independence.
699
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EPA MC: Two final questions,
and then we're going
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to move to the break.
701
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Mary Booth, Partnership
for Policy Integrity.
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Per megawatt hour, biomass at a
free-standing plant emits about
703
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50%-60% more than
a modern coal plant,
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more CO2 per megawatt hour.
705
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So I just wonder if you
could comment a little bit
706
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on how you are reconciling
these physical realities,
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of more molecules of CO2 coming
out of the stack per megawatt
708
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hour, with the need of the
clean power plan and the planet
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to reduce emissions.
Thanks.
710
00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:30,374
In response to the question, I
don't think it's fair just to
711
00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:36,514
compare the emission rate
of biomass power plants
712
00:48:36,514 --> 00:48:38,883
to coal-fired power plants.
713
00:48:38,883 --> 00:48:44,922
You really have to look at the
lifecycle, and you do have to
714
00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:52,163
take into account that there
is some carbon sequestration
715
00:48:52,163 --> 00:48:54,365
that goes on in the forest.
716
00:49:00,704 --> 00:49:04,909
[pensive music]
717
00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:27,998
I am approximately
100 yards away from
718
00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:29,900
the Warden electric plant.
719
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,504
The so-called green energy or
biomass that they're burning
720
00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:38,576
here, is creating a toxic cloud
of ground-up railroad tie dust.
721
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:43,047
This is a creosote-treated wood
fiber that's going airborne,
722
00:49:43,047 --> 00:49:45,449
becoming fugitive dust.
723
00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:48,752
In the industry they call
them "fines" that blow
724
00:49:48,752 --> 00:49:50,621
right down into town.
725
00:49:50,621 --> 00:49:54,024
Yeah, that's the plant here
that close to our place here.
726
00:49:57,027 --> 00:49:59,230
Oh, yeah, it's affect my
breath especially when
727
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,498
I do gardening
around here.
728
00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:07,438
You know, it's like maybe my
chest is burnt like that and
729
00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:10,407
then also my,
irritates my eyes also.
730
00:50:10,407 --> 00:50:12,843
You can't barbeque
outdoors at my house.
731
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:14,845
I can't open the
windows on my house,
732
00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:17,147
because the stuff
gets in so heavy.
733
00:50:17,147 --> 00:50:19,917
I tried putting furnace filters
in my windows so I could
734
00:50:19,917 --> 00:50:24,154
still open them, but the
ultrafine dust from this process
735
00:50:24,154 --> 00:50:25,890
is still getting in.
736
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,525
I don't want to die early.
[nervous laughter]
737
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:31,295
Yeah.
738
00:50:32,796 --> 00:50:34,832
In the beginning, when they
first announced they were
739
00:50:34,832 --> 00:50:39,136
going to open up this plant, it
was going to be a green plant.
740
00:50:39,136 --> 00:50:43,340
And they were going to be using
forest products, residues
741
00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:44,975
and things like that.
742
00:50:44,975 --> 00:50:46,577
They never told us
they were going to be
743
00:50:46,577 --> 00:50:48,979
burning railroad ties.
744
00:50:50,581 --> 00:50:54,051
I think people wanted to believe
them when they first came here.
745
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,689
People here don't speak out
very much, and they don't think
746
00:50:58,689 --> 00:51:00,291
there is anything they can do.
747
00:51:00,291 --> 00:51:02,626
They don't feel empowered.
748
00:51:02,626 --> 00:51:06,530
Once a company or a plant is
opened up here, and local people
749
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:10,367
have jobs, then people don't
want to speak out because they
750
00:51:10,367 --> 00:51:12,369
might have friends or
family that work there.
751
00:51:12,369 --> 00:51:14,104
I've got a lot of
friends in there too.
752
00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:15,806
It's a small town.
753
00:51:15,806 --> 00:51:19,009
The problem is we're going to
have a rash of cancer in this
754
00:51:19,009 --> 00:51:21,645
town, 10 years down the
road that's going to be epic.
755
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:28,419
You don't want to be perceived
as somebody against jobs,
756
00:51:28,419 --> 00:51:31,255
even though you know in the back
of your mind or in your heart
757
00:51:31,255 --> 00:51:33,958
that this is not a good idea.
758
00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:40,464
So in 2008 we enacted the clean,
renewable, and efficient energy
759
00:51:40,464 --> 00:51:45,269
act requiring that the state
utilities derive 10% of their
760
00:51:45,269 --> 00:51:48,806
electricity from
clean energy resources.
761
00:51:48,806 --> 00:51:52,776
The definition of clean
energy resources is of course,
762
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,580
wind and solar, but it
also includes biomass.
763
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,783
I know there was a lot
of enthusiasm for it:
764
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:02,620
Well, it's green and it's
sustainable and it's renewable.
765
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:06,123
And I'm not even sure what green
means anymore, because I think
766
00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:09,393
anybody can give it an
interpretation that sounds good,
767
00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:10,828
and they don't really mean it.
768
00:52:10,828 --> 00:52:13,197
It's just a word that they
use in order to make it
769
00:52:13,197 --> 00:52:16,000
more palatable, to my mind.
770
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,502
And sustainable? I'm not
sure about that either.
771
00:52:18,502 --> 00:52:21,305
So there might be a lot
of deception involved in it.
772
00:52:25,075 --> 00:52:27,745
MARY: The L'Anse Warden Plant
in Michigan is representative
773
00:52:27,745 --> 00:52:30,647
of plants in the U.S that
are not just burning wood
774
00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,716
but burning
post-industrial waste
775
00:52:32,716 --> 00:52:35,686
and other kinds of
contaminated materials.
776
00:52:54,738 --> 00:52:56,940
At the Warden plant,
they've been burning
777
00:52:56,940 --> 00:52:59,610
kind of a witch's brew
of a lot of different fuels,
778
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:03,447
including chipped railroad ties,
chipped railroad ties that are
779
00:53:03,447 --> 00:53:06,450
treated with Pentachlorophenol,
which is a banned pesticide
780
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:07,718
in the United States.
781
00:53:07,718 --> 00:53:09,687
But they're importing
those ties from Canada.
782
00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:14,925
They're burning clean forest
wood, and they're burning tires.
783
00:53:14,925 --> 00:53:19,997
They're burning chipped tires,
which might contain 20% rubber
784
00:53:19,997 --> 00:53:22,866
by content, and so that
has been treated in some
785
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:25,602
regulatory contexts
as biomass.
786
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:39,850
CATHERINE: We love living
here. We love our lifestyle.
787
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:45,723
A lot of us aren't here because
we're making a lot of money,
788
00:53:45,723 --> 00:53:48,692
but we're here because
we love being here.
789
00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:53,430
It's just a beautiful place, and
we don't want to see it spoiled.
790
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:01,205
[heavy engine
grinds to a halt]
791
00:54:01,205 --> 00:54:06,643
- I worked in the pulp yard
from February of 2006
792
00:54:06,643 --> 00:54:10,447
to August 1st of 2014.
793
00:54:11,482 --> 00:54:18,222
I just started not feeling well,
and the first thing was always
794
00:54:18,222 --> 00:54:20,190
as soon as I would get
to work, about an hour
795
00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:22,526
I'd have a headache, and
it would last all day.
796
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:26,964
It would take probably the
weekend to feel better, and
797
00:54:26,964 --> 00:54:29,466
as soon as I'd go there
Monday, it'd start all over.
798
00:54:37,141 --> 00:54:39,376
Of course, they're burning
volatile hydrocarbons,
799
00:54:39,376 --> 00:54:41,211
which are carcinogenic.
800
00:54:41,211 --> 00:54:44,114
And again, they're not
monitoring the air quality,
801
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:48,018
so these things have been a
chronic source of irritation
802
00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,020
and concern for me.
803
00:54:51,021 --> 00:54:54,725
MARY: What's not coming out of
the stack at the Warden plant?
804
00:54:54,725 --> 00:54:59,463
It's basically the periodic
table of heavy metals,
805
00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:03,400
contaminants, polycyclic
aromatic hydrocarbons, which
806
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,172
PAHs, which is partially
burned compounds that are
807
00:55:08,172 --> 00:55:11,275
highly toxic and carcinogenic.
808
00:55:11,275 --> 00:55:14,878
And also from the chipping
operation there, that's a lot of
809
00:55:14,878 --> 00:55:17,281
dust from the fuel
before it's burned.
810
00:55:19,216 --> 00:55:22,152
CATHERINE: There is a Catholic
elementary school within
811
00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:25,155
very close proximity.
812
00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:29,193
There's a BHK Head Start
school for pre-school kids
813
00:55:29,193 --> 00:55:30,894
right next to the facility.
814
00:55:30,894 --> 00:55:33,797
There was a lot of concentration
of this black material
815
00:55:33,797 --> 00:55:35,966
all over the snow.
816
00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:39,002
And when we would go
outside to play, the children
817
00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:41,371
with lighter-colored snow
clothes then would get
818
00:55:41,371 --> 00:55:44,575
this black material
on their clothing.
819
00:55:48,312 --> 00:55:51,582
A protest is growing in L'Anse
as more and more villagers are
820
00:55:51,582 --> 00:55:54,785
speaking out against the L'Anse
Warden Electric Company and
821
00:55:54,785 --> 00:55:56,887
alleged air and
water pollution.
822
00:55:56,887 --> 00:56:01,592
- We sent the DEQ videos
of fugitive dust releases,
823
00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:05,462
massive fugitive dust
releases, and they came up.
824
00:56:05,462 --> 00:56:07,531
And because they didn't
see it they said,
825
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:11,301
"Well, you know we can't admit
there's a fugitive dust release
826
00:56:11,301 --> 00:56:12,703
unless we see it."
827
00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:15,372
When we have to determine
whether there's a violation on
828
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:19,643
rule 901 creating a nuisance, we
have to see that that dust is
829
00:56:19,643 --> 00:56:24,314
actually impacting a
residence or another property.
830
00:56:24,314 --> 00:56:27,684
I don't know what
more evidence you need.
831
00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:31,221
- I'm not saying this
is the kind of problem
832
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:36,860
they're experiencing in Flint,
but I'm saying that somebody,
833
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:40,030
not necessarily you people, but
somebody in your agency has been
834
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:42,366
sitting around like last
year's Christmas tree
835
00:56:42,366 --> 00:56:44,368
and not doing their jobs.
836
00:56:44,368 --> 00:56:47,838
[applause, whistles, cheers]
837
00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:53,176
So we're trying to negotiate
with the company a compliance
838
00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:57,481
plan that we know is solid
that we can ensure that
839
00:56:57,481 --> 00:56:59,683
the facility's in compliance.
840
00:56:59,683 --> 00:57:02,819
We're going to have another
public meeting and public
841
00:57:02,819 --> 00:57:06,356
hearing, once we have a draft
compliance plan in place.
842
00:57:08,225 --> 00:57:13,030
- The community is wondering
how is it that it can continue
843
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:15,899
to run when they're
not in compliance,
844
00:57:15,899 --> 00:57:18,402
and why is that allowed?
845
00:57:19,403 --> 00:57:24,308
I mean, you and I aren't able
to burn tires as individuals.
846
00:57:24,308 --> 00:57:30,714
We are not able to burn
railroad ties, and somehow
847
00:57:30,714 --> 00:57:33,784
corporations are
able to do that.
848
00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:35,619
How is that possible?
849
00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:38,155
I mean, that's a real basic
question for most people
850
00:57:38,155 --> 00:57:39,856
in our community.
851
00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:49,866
- We're going to start out with
a one-hour question and answer
852
00:57:49,866 --> 00:57:54,538
session, and then the official
public hearing starts at 7:00.
853
00:57:54,538 --> 00:57:57,074
The plant is in my front yard.
854
00:57:57,074 --> 00:58:02,212
Twice now I had come outside,
and the gas or the poison in
855
00:58:02,212 --> 00:58:05,749
the air took my breath
away, and it terrified me.
856
00:58:05,749 --> 00:58:07,517
I have three small children.
857
00:58:07,517 --> 00:58:11,521
I ran inside, and I had to
close all of my windows.
858
00:58:11,521 --> 00:58:17,094
I think it's important that
we know who owns Warden Plant.
859
00:58:17,094 --> 00:58:20,964
Warden is owned by a
conglomerate called Traxys.
860
00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:24,534
I'll spell it: T-R-A-X-Y-S.
861
00:58:24,534 --> 00:58:27,371
Traxys provides,
"Worldwide finance and
862
00:58:27,371 --> 00:58:30,273
commercial services," unquote.
863
00:58:30,273 --> 00:58:37,748
Traxys Peru, Traxys Mexico,
Traxys Germany, Traxys Turkey,
864
00:58:37,748 --> 00:58:44,221
Traxys Luxembourg, Traxys Spain,
Traxys Moscow, Traxys Paris,
865
00:58:44,221 --> 00:58:49,559
Traxys China, Traxys
Hong Kong, Traxys Shanghai.
866
00:58:52,162 --> 00:58:56,833
Would you think Traxys
cares about us here?
867
00:58:56,833 --> 00:58:58,535
Do you think they
care about us?
868
00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:00,470
Do you think they
care about our children?
869
00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:02,672
Do you think they care
about our environment?
870
00:59:02,672 --> 00:59:08,412
Do you think they care about
our air, our water, our health?
871
00:59:08,412 --> 00:59:10,981
Who cares about us here?
872
00:59:10,981 --> 00:59:13,083
We need your help.
873
00:59:13,083 --> 00:59:15,786
Who else do we
have to turn to?
874
00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:20,357
Thank you.
[applause]
875
00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:26,263
The EPA ordered air monitors
and a meteorological tower
876
00:59:26,263 --> 00:59:28,598
inside the plant.
877
00:59:28,598 --> 00:59:30,300
We were thrilled
when we heard that.
878
00:59:31,668 --> 00:59:36,907
Somewhere during the consent
negotiations, that disappeared.
879
00:59:38,074 --> 00:59:43,914
That's the only hope that we had
was getting these air monitors,
880
00:59:43,914 --> 00:59:47,751
having the plant pay for them
as they should, put them near
881
00:59:47,751 --> 00:59:51,922
the fence so we could
have some real data.
882
00:59:54,091 --> 00:59:57,394
You know, it's like
you don't believe us.
883
00:59:57,394 --> 01:00:00,730
Go down to South 4th street.
There are five houses,
884
01:00:00,730 --> 01:00:05,702
and one house has residents. The
other four houses are empty.
885
01:00:05,702 --> 01:00:08,238
What does this tell you?
What do we have to do?
886
01:00:08,238 --> 01:00:09,873
Do we have to come
up here and drop dead
887
01:00:09,873 --> 01:00:11,508
while we're talking to you?
888
01:00:11,508 --> 01:00:12,876
- Thirty seconds.
889
01:00:12,876 --> 01:00:16,580
- You are our only hope,
but nothing is being done,
890
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:17,814
nothing is changing.
891
01:00:17,814 --> 01:00:19,149
- Your time is up.
892
01:00:19,149 --> 01:00:24,087
In this consent agreement,
you're permitting 20 tons
893
01:00:24,087 --> 01:00:29,025
an hour of railroad
ties to be burned.
894
01:00:29,025 --> 01:00:34,331
That's about 480 tons a day.
895
01:00:34,331 --> 01:00:42,506
So that means the Warden Plant
downtown can burn 19 truckloads
896
01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:46,142
of railroad ties every day.
897
01:00:47,777 --> 01:00:50,180
Are you kidding me?!
898
01:00:55,018 --> 01:01:00,323
You guys negotiated that
for us, the community?
899
01:01:00,323 --> 01:01:05,061
You negotiated with the
Warden Plant with us in mind?
900
01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:09,032
Let's talk about the tires.
901
01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:12,602
All right, four ton an hour.
902
01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:16,673
That's 8,000 pounds
of tires to be thrown
903
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,510
in the hopper every hour.
904
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:23,880
I did the math, simple math.
905
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,584
A tire weighs about 20 pounds.
906
01:01:27,584 --> 01:01:33,023
Divide that up in the course
of a day, and you've permitted
907
01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:39,196
the Warden Plant to burn
close to 10,000 tires a day.
908
01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:40,997
Are you kidding me?
909
01:01:40,997 --> 01:01:42,566
- 30 seconds.
910
01:01:42,566 --> 01:01:45,869
- Yeah, well,
we'll make it quick.
911
01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:48,872
This is an incinerator!
[applause]
912
01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:50,640
It's terrible.
913
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,244
You've got to throw out that
paper altogether and start all
914
01:01:54,244 --> 01:01:58,048
over, and make it
known as an incinerator.
915
01:01:58,048 --> 01:01:59,883
I mean, we're not
going to stand for it.
916
01:01:59,883 --> 01:02:03,320
This community, we've
decided, you can go back
917
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,089
to your office tomorrow,
tell your people
918
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:08,325
the people in L'Anse
are not buying this.
919
01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:12,095
[applause, boisterous cheers]
920
01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:19,502
[accordion waltz]
921
01:02:37,721 --> 01:02:41,157
ADAM: One of the really exciting
things about this campaign is
922
01:02:41,157 --> 01:02:45,462
that there is a growing
international coalition of
923
01:02:45,462 --> 01:02:47,530
organizations who
are working very closely
924
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,633
together on this issue.
925
01:02:51,401 --> 01:02:54,104
- I think it's absolutely
crucial that organizations like
926
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:58,675
Dogwood Alliance, the NRDC,
people from organizations that
927
01:02:58,675 --> 01:03:02,612
see what the impacts on the
ground are, and see what are the
928
01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:06,049
influences of European policies,
come over here to the European
929
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:08,184
decision makers to tell that.
930
01:03:08,318 --> 01:03:11,354
I'm Danna. I'm executive
director at Dogwood Alliance.
931
01:03:11,354 --> 01:03:15,025
I think it's really important
for everyone in Europe
932
01:03:15,025 --> 01:03:18,828
who's looking at this issue
to understand the context
933
01:03:18,828 --> 01:03:22,198
in which the biomass
market and the wood pellet
934
01:03:22,198 --> 01:03:24,701
export market is happening.
935
01:03:24,701 --> 01:03:27,671
So part of where we are
right now is that we don't see
936
01:03:27,671 --> 01:03:30,640
the problem in Europe,
because the solution came from
937
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,841
imports from the U.S.
938
01:03:31,841 --> 01:03:33,610
We now have a
traffic jam of boats
939
01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:35,645
on the North Sea coming here.
940
01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:39,616
And a little anecdote: In
2007, we made a McKinsie study
941
01:03:39,616 --> 01:03:42,819
showing that the shortage
of wood would be enormous.
942
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:46,322
At the very last meeting, we
were drinking a beer, finalizing
943
01:03:46,322 --> 01:03:49,426
the study and someone said,
"Let's get it from the U.S."
944
01:03:49,426 --> 01:03:50,860
The entire team of
consultants said,
945
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:52,962
"No, that would be stupid."
946
01:03:53,797 --> 01:03:57,000
- Since we will be discussing
now the policies in place until
947
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,304
2030, it becomes very important
that we have the criteria right,
948
01:04:01,304 --> 01:04:03,039
that we have the
accounting right.
949
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,607
So the discussions
that are coming up
950
01:04:04,607 --> 01:04:06,643
is really crucial
at the moment.
951
01:04:06,643 --> 01:04:08,878
I think the political fight
is going to be that everyone
952
01:04:08,878 --> 01:04:12,749
will acknowledge that no,
of course, burning a tree is
953
01:04:12,749 --> 01:04:16,486
a stupid thing to do,
but we are not doing that.
954
01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:18,288
They will all play
the game to say,
955
01:04:18,288 --> 01:04:20,790
"No, we are only
using waste flows."
956
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,492
Well, it's going to be
very important that we are
957
01:04:22,492 --> 01:04:24,194
getting this proof
on the table.
958
01:04:24,194 --> 01:04:27,931
To show really, "Guys, what we
are doing here is not burning
959
01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:31,668
waste flows. We are just burning
roundwood and trees here."
960
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:37,240
Today we are
delivering the voices of
961
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,344
over 100,000 U. S. citizens.
962
01:04:41,344 --> 01:04:45,615
And the message is very simple:
Burning trees to produce
963
01:04:45,615 --> 01:04:49,085
electricity is bad for
ecosystems, it's bad
964
01:04:49,085 --> 01:04:52,088
for climate, and it's
bad for communities.
965
01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,933
[Baroque music]
966
01:05:27,857 --> 01:05:29,592
DANNA: That was
fun. [chuckles]
967
01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:31,761
DUNCAN: We were
meeting officials at the
968
01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:33,463
Department of Energy
and Climate Change.
969
01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:35,832
We were talking to
bureaucrats, I felt.
970
01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:40,570
And the problem is that doing
away with biomass electricity
971
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:44,641
is very, very problematic for
them, and we were sympathetic.
972
01:05:44,641 --> 01:05:48,244
This government, no fault of
these guys, is doing all sorts
973
01:05:48,244 --> 01:05:52,682
of absurd things like cutting
genuine low-cost, low-carbon
974
01:05:52,682 --> 01:05:57,253
renewables like wind, onshore
wind and solar, and so biomass
975
01:05:57,253 --> 01:06:01,291
is ending up being funded at the
expense, not of fossil fuels
976
01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:04,027
but of genuine solutions.
977
01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:07,096
So it felt slightly like
talking to a sponge.
978
01:06:08,264 --> 01:06:10,300
BILL: To me one of the most
stunning things was, here
979
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:16,239
we have a policy that declares
something to be zero emissions,
980
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:18,741
when, in fact, it's not zero.
981
01:06:18,741 --> 01:06:22,345
And so I pointed out several
reasons why that was the case.
982
01:06:22,345 --> 01:06:25,114
And finally the lawyer said,
"Well, you don't understand.
983
01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:29,619
If we don't count this
as zero, we cannot meet our
984
01:06:29,619 --> 01:06:32,822
obligation to the
European Union."
985
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:36,893
Which, I almost fell off
my chair when I heard that.
986
01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:39,863
The amount of biomass
that's being burnt for making
987
01:06:39,863 --> 01:06:43,166
electricity in the UK is
exponentially increasing.
988
01:06:43,166 --> 01:06:45,101
It's doubling every
year at the moment.
989
01:06:45,101 --> 01:06:47,370
- There is an
alternative to Drax.
990
01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:50,373
There is an alternative
to filthy energy,
991
01:06:50,373 --> 01:06:52,942
to dirty, destructive energy.
992
01:06:52,942 --> 01:06:55,812
We can power the UK renewably.
993
01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:59,215
♪ You make subsidies
that keep you alive ♪
994
01:06:59,215 --> 01:07:03,152
♪ while sun and wind and water
have to struggle and strive ♪
995
01:07:03,152 --> 01:07:07,824
♪ So hit the road Drax and
don't you come back no more ♪
996
01:07:07,824 --> 01:07:10,727
♪ no more, no more, no more ♪
997
01:07:10,727 --> 01:07:15,732
♪ Hit the road Drax and
don't you come back no more ♪
998
01:07:17,734 --> 01:07:20,770
[upbeat music]
999
01:07:22,305 --> 01:07:27,277
As we stand here, corporate
biomass CEOs and profiteers
1000
01:07:27,277 --> 01:07:30,880
are wining and dining each
other, and patting themselves
1001
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,783
on the back for figuring
out a way to profit off of
1002
01:07:33,783 --> 01:07:36,519
the destruction of
southeastern forests.
1003
01:07:54,404 --> 01:07:55,872
Biomass has got to go
1004
01:07:55,872 --> 01:07:59,909
Hey, hey, ho, ho
Biomass has got to go
1005
01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:02,078
Hey, hey, ho, ho...
1006
01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:09,786
[same chant continues, echoing
through the building]
1007
01:08:09,786 --> 01:08:11,854
What do we want?
Climate justice.
1008
01:08:11,854 --> 01:08:13,790
When do we want it?
Now.
1009
01:08:14,824 --> 01:08:17,527
[cheers]
1010
01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:29,739
[turbine blades slice the air]
1011
01:08:29,739 --> 01:08:33,710
If fossil fuels continue to
increase, and we say goodbye to
1012
01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:36,346
the two degrees and go on to
three degrees, four degrees,
1013
01:08:36,346 --> 01:08:40,116
five, then it really almost
doesn't matter what you do
1014
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:44,020
with forests or
anything else, I think.
1015
01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:46,022
We're cooked.
1016
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,663
I'm making the case that you
can use forests to keep the CO2
1017
01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:58,234
concentration from going up
as you phase out fossil fuels.
1018
01:08:58,234 --> 01:09:01,704
We can stop deforestation,
which is now accounting
1019
01:09:01,704 --> 01:09:03,206
for some emissions.
1020
01:09:03,206 --> 01:09:07,176
We could let young forests grow
back, just leave them alone,
1021
01:09:07,176 --> 01:09:09,846
let them store
carbon as they age.
1022
01:09:09,846 --> 01:09:12,882
And then we can
even establish forests
1023
01:09:12,882 --> 01:09:17,387
on areas that used to be
forested and that are not now.
1024
01:09:17,387 --> 01:09:24,260
Those three things together are
big enough to offset the carbon
1025
01:09:24,260 --> 01:09:27,764
that would be emitted from
fossil fuels as we phase
1026
01:09:27,764 --> 01:09:31,000
them out, as we went
to a renewable future.
1027
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,440
They give you a bridge to get
from today, 10 billion tons
1028
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,611
of carbon emitted a year,
to zero from fossil fuels.
1029
01:09:41,611 --> 01:09:43,713
A few decades.
Has to happen.
1030
01:09:50,086 --> 01:09:54,757
DUNCAN: The thing about
bioenergy is that if we give it
1031
01:09:54,757 --> 01:09:58,528
the green light, it
will take over the world.
1032
01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:01,264
Because there
simply isn't enough biomass
1033
01:10:01,264 --> 01:10:04,033
to remotely
replace the free gift
1034
01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:07,236
of fossil energy that we've
had over the last century.
1035
01:10:07,236 --> 01:10:09,238
And we will kill
ourselves in trying.
1036
01:10:09,238 --> 01:10:11,641
We will stamp on
the biosphere.
1037
01:10:12,742 --> 01:10:15,778
JAMIE: When I look at a huge
biomass plant, I don't just see
1038
01:10:15,778 --> 01:10:19,615
that this is a business that
generates energy by burning
1039
01:10:19,615 --> 01:10:24,454
trees; I see this as a cultural
phenomenon that affects
1040
01:10:24,454 --> 01:10:26,489
every aspect of our life.
1041
01:10:28,124 --> 01:10:32,929
And it has implications
for how we, as a species,
1042
01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:35,598
relate to the land itself.
1043
01:10:36,666 --> 01:10:41,370
This is what we're up against is
that our economic system values
1044
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:45,374
forest destruction over
forest protection, and at the
1045
01:10:45,374 --> 01:10:47,844
end of the day that's
what we have to change.
1046
01:10:48,845 --> 01:10:52,081
It boils down to money.
They're making money.
1047
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:58,020
Somebody's making money on that
deal, so you know, when it gets
1048
01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:04,160
to that bottom line, the land
is always the one that suffers.
1049
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,428
It's always that way.
1050
01:11:05,428 --> 01:11:08,531
And certainly the public should
not be subsidizing actually
1051
01:11:08,531 --> 01:11:12,301
putting more carbon into
the atmosphere in the name of
1052
01:11:12,301 --> 01:11:16,706
addressing climate change; and
when those subsidies go away,
1053
01:11:16,706 --> 01:11:20,610
which I think they will, this
industry is going to go away
1054
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:23,813
as fast as it
appeared in the U.S.
1055
01:11:23,813 --> 01:11:27,683
And we have to be actively
reducing carbon dioxide,
1056
01:11:27,683 --> 01:11:29,752
not even just
holding it constant.
1057
01:11:30,953 --> 01:11:33,422
The best technology
for that is trees!
1058
01:11:34,757 --> 01:11:37,660
It seems to me like
climate change is a kind of
1059
01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:41,564
final exam for our species.
1060
01:11:41,564 --> 01:11:47,103
We'll find out if the big brain
was in fact a good idea or not.
1061
01:11:47,103 --> 01:11:50,139
Maybe if it's connected
to a big enough heart
1062
01:11:50,139 --> 01:11:53,109
to make a difference.
1063
01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:57,914
And I just refuse to believe
that this interesting creature
1064
01:11:57,914 --> 01:12:03,719
that we are can't come to grips
with this and do something.
1065
01:12:03,719 --> 01:12:06,756
We've been given
ample warning by
1066
01:12:06,756 --> 01:12:08,758
the world's scientists.
1067
01:12:10,126 --> 01:12:12,595
Now the question is
whether we'll heed it or not.
1068
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:20,636
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