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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,738 --> 00:00:08,242 [bluegrass] 2 00:00:24,725 --> 00:00:28,829 Now, when y'all get up there, you going to have to be careful. 3 00:00:30,831 --> 00:00:32,533 And look at where you're walking and stuff. 4 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:34,902 I mean, it's cold enough, I don't...I don't think 5 00:00:34,902 --> 00:00:36,937 there's any snakes out today. 6 00:00:36,937 --> 00:00:38,839 But you don't never know. 7 00:00:39,940 --> 00:00:41,909 We have a lot of snakes out here. 8 00:00:45,312 --> 00:00:47,481 It's amazing how quick they can cut something like this. 9 00:00:47,481 --> 00:00:51,018 I mean, they cut this probably less than two weeks. 10 00:00:51,018 --> 00:00:53,153 Every time I come out here, you'll hear it. 11 00:00:53,153 --> 00:00:57,524 [makes buzzing sound] And it's logging. 12 00:00:57,524 --> 00:01:00,527 [heavy machinery buzzes, whirs] 13 00:01:02,129 --> 00:01:06,300 [creaks, slams to the ground] 14 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:16,443 [bluegrass] 15 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:49,977 [music becomes ominous] 16 00:02:23,176 --> 00:02:26,913 [pensive music] 17 00:02:48,235 --> 00:02:51,338 - We call these areas bottomland hardwoods. 18 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:57,577 They're called that because they occur in these low, flat bottoms 19 00:02:57,577 --> 00:03:01,214 that surround the big rivers in the coastal plain, 20 00:03:01,214 --> 00:03:03,216 along the Atlantic. 21 00:03:05,652 --> 00:03:09,222 These bottomland hardwoods are really among our most valuable 22 00:03:09,222 --> 00:03:13,760 forests because they are wetland forest and so connected to the 23 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,329 rivers and the water system. 24 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:20,967 - The bottomland wetland forests along the rivers and in 25 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:26,606 the swamps represent the last remnants of what we could call 26 00:03:26,606 --> 00:03:29,609 natural ecosystems across the South. 27 00:03:29,609 --> 00:03:34,981 And they also happen to be the most critical in terms of 28 00:03:34,981 --> 00:03:38,685 ecosystem services, or those services that we humans 29 00:03:38,685 --> 00:03:42,155 depend on for life and for our safety: 30 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:46,026 Clean water, flood control, not to mention 31 00:03:46,026 --> 00:03:49,563 that these forests are also incredibly diverse. 32 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:56,303 And we're tearing them down at an alarming rate... 33 00:03:56,303 --> 00:03:58,772 and burning them in power stations. 34 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:07,581 When policies were created that incentivized biomass as 35 00:04:07,581 --> 00:04:12,686 "carbon-free" source of energy, that was when we started to see 36 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:17,090 popping up all over the country more freestanding biomass 37 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:19,793 power plants that are burning wood for electricity. 38 00:04:20,861 --> 00:04:24,598 And also these enormous pellet plants that are making fuel that 39 00:04:24,598 --> 00:04:26,500 then gets shipped to Europe. 40 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:32,939 - We started getting reports from eastern North Carolina 41 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:36,943 in particular that vast areas of wetland forest were being 42 00:04:36,943 --> 00:04:40,547 cut to supply wood pellets to Europe. 43 00:04:42,382 --> 00:04:47,521 We become involved when we learned that, contrary to the 44 00:04:47,521 --> 00:04:50,090 representations by the companies, that they were using 45 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:54,594 sawdust and other wood waste that, in fact, they're cutting 46 00:04:54,594 --> 00:04:59,699 whole forests, whole trees as their primary source of biomass. 47 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:04,504 - Enviva come to this community and said, 48 00:05:04,504 --> 00:05:07,674 "We're going to bring jobs and going to be green. 49 00:05:07,674 --> 00:05:09,409 We're going behind loggers, and we're just going to 50 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:11,711 take the trash stuff. 51 00:05:11,711 --> 00:05:13,814 And that's what we're going to make into these pellets." 52 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:15,549 And that ain't what they've done. 53 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:17,050 I mean, it's not even close. 54 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:19,252 If you don't believe it, go to the Enviva site 55 00:05:19,252 --> 00:05:21,221 and look at all the damn logs. 56 00:05:25,592 --> 00:05:28,828 And I don't mind saying they've flat-out lied to this community. 57 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:30,764 Lied to me. 58 00:05:36,136 --> 00:05:40,207 [bright bluegrass] 59 00:05:49,249 --> 00:05:53,486 - One of the roles that Dogwood Alliance has played is really 60 00:05:53,486 --> 00:05:57,357 investigating the on-the-ground practices of the industry. 61 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:01,862 And how we do that is we identify the sites in which 62 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:05,832 the industry is harvesting its feed stocks for pellets. 63 00:06:05,832 --> 00:06:08,401 And then from there, we go down to the ground, 64 00:06:08,401 --> 00:06:10,403 and we ground truth. 65 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:15,375 [sloshing steps] 66 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:35,195 We identify that those sites are actually sourcing the facility. 67 00:06:36,696 --> 00:06:40,233 We follow the trucks directly from the site to the facility. 68 00:06:41,768 --> 00:06:43,970 [camera clicks] 69 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:46,806 We follow trucks from the facility back to the site, 70 00:06:46,806 --> 00:06:50,110 and we document that extensively. 71 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:53,013 Then from there, we'll document the site itself. 72 00:06:56,516 --> 00:06:59,185 - Enviva's raw materials consist of.... 73 00:07:09,696 --> 00:07:12,599 ADAM: When you go into these wetlands, you'll notice 74 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:17,337 that many of the trees are, as they say, deformed or diseased. 75 00:07:17,337 --> 00:07:20,807 The trees are naturally hollow inside. 76 00:07:21,908 --> 00:07:26,613 They can take what they call low-value wood, this unwanted 77 00:07:26,613 --> 00:07:30,116 wood that needs a home, and chop it up. 78 00:07:32,252 --> 00:07:35,255 DERB: The wood-based biomass industry in the South 79 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:38,825 didn't exist here five years ago. 80 00:07:38,825 --> 00:07:42,996 This map shows the existing pellet mills 81 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,065 and those that have been proposed. 82 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:51,705 And overlapping sourcing areas accelerating cut and harvest 83 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:54,941 of hardwoods and swamp forest in the region. 84 00:07:54,941 --> 00:07:58,845 What's clear is that there's a concentration in what we call 85 00:07:58,845 --> 00:08:04,551 the coastal plain within 100 miles or so of the coast. 86 00:08:04,551 --> 00:08:07,754 The reason for that is this is all for export. 87 00:08:07,754 --> 00:08:12,392 So the trees will be harvested, pelletized, and then taken to 88 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:14,994 a port and transported to Europe. 89 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,799 This industry's been deceptive. 90 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:22,435 They have misrepresented their sourcing. 91 00:08:22,435 --> 00:08:25,238 But I actually put at fault the countries 92 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:27,173 that are behind these policies. 93 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:30,744 The European Union got together, well, probably 94 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:33,813 10 years ago, and said, "We're going to be 95 00:08:33,813 --> 00:08:35,115 the global leaders on this. 96 00:08:35,115 --> 00:08:39,252 We're going to cut our emissions of fossil fuel carbon dioxide. 97 00:08:39,252 --> 00:08:43,590 So you've got to supply 20% of your power from carbon-neutral 98 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:46,292 or non-carbon emitting sources." 99 00:08:46,292 --> 00:08:49,963 It was a laudable thing to do except that, I think without 100 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:52,132 thinking, they decided that biomass 101 00:08:52,132 --> 00:08:53,666 should be carbon-neutral. 102 00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:57,904 That biomass energy is seen as a carbon-neutral option, 103 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:00,373 it's a pure political decision. 104 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:04,711 Here in Brussels, they more or less promised that Europe 105 00:09:04,711 --> 00:09:08,214 will deliver, by 2020, 20% renewables. 106 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:12,385 So then the only thing that was very important is, OK, 107 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:16,322 let's make sure we will be delivering on this 20%. 108 00:09:16,322 --> 00:09:18,057 Biomass is pretty easy. 109 00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:21,661 You just get some wood and throw it in a coal-fired power plant, 110 00:09:21,661 --> 00:09:22,695 and you do co-firing. 111 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:24,898 You don't need to change any infrastructure. 112 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:28,635 So it is an easy one, and you do get to your percentages. 113 00:09:28,635 --> 00:09:32,605 So therefore, any idea to say, "Hey, but don't we need to do 114 00:09:32,605 --> 00:09:35,742 proper accounting," was a bit put on the back burner. 115 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:38,278 So it's, "Yeah, we'll come to that later on." 116 00:09:38,278 --> 00:09:41,481 And that's all pure politics in order to make sure that 117 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:45,118 no matter what, this 20% by 2020 will be achieved. 118 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:50,723 DERB: The United Kingdom decided its approach is going to rely 119 00:09:50,723 --> 00:09:55,728 heavily on converting old coal-fired power plants 120 00:09:55,728 --> 00:09:58,031 to burn wood biomass. 121 00:09:58,031 --> 00:10:01,568 And a big culprit of that is Drax Power Station, which is 122 00:10:01,568 --> 00:10:04,604 the biggest carbon emitter in the UK, the biggest 123 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:07,974 power station in the UK, and the biggest burner of wood 124 00:10:07,974 --> 00:10:10,009 for electricity in the world. 125 00:10:22,589 --> 00:10:25,825 We're in the middle of implementing a project to 126 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:28,428 turn it from being a coal station that burns a little bit 127 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:31,731 of biomass to a biomass station that burns a little bit of coal. 128 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:34,400 In forestry, it's mainly when you harvest a tree, 129 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,470 there are lots of twigs, branches that aren't used. 130 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:40,006 And also when you plant a forest, you overplant, 131 00:10:40,006 --> 00:10:41,374 and then you thin. 132 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:43,309 That is what we call biomass. 133 00:10:46,212 --> 00:10:50,917 DUNCAN: Last year, it burnt about 7 million tons of wood. 134 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:55,421 And by the time its program of conversion to 50% biomass 135 00:10:55,421 --> 00:10:58,558 is complete, it will be burning more than 15 million tons 136 00:10:58,558 --> 00:11:00,026 of wood a year. 137 00:11:00,026 --> 00:11:03,830 That's 1 1/2 times the entire UK production of 138 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:05,698 wood for all purposes. 139 00:11:07,433 --> 00:11:11,404 The subsidies are a very significant part of 140 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:13,573 their economic model. 141 00:11:19,045 --> 00:11:22,448 The UK taxpayer, or bill payer--because it comes out of 142 00:11:22,448 --> 00:11:29,122 our power bills--is paying disproportionately large amounts 143 00:11:29,122 --> 00:11:32,725 for a so-called renewable technology that is destroying 144 00:11:32,725 --> 00:11:37,196 forests, biodiversity, and making climate change worse. 145 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:02,088 - If you're interested in reducing emissions now, then 146 00:12:02,088 --> 00:12:05,158 burning something that puts more carbon into the air than the 147 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:08,595 thing you're replacing, which is coal, doesn't make sense. 148 00:12:08,595 --> 00:12:11,531 Nothing could be further from the truth. 149 00:12:11,531 --> 00:12:15,368 When you burn wood pellets or other kinds of woody biomass, 150 00:12:15,368 --> 00:12:18,471 what you're releasing in the atmosphere is biogenic carbon. 151 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:23,743 Biogenic carbon is part of the natural lifecycle of wood. 152 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:26,045 It's about what the atmosphere sees. 153 00:12:26,045 --> 00:12:27,547 That's the only thing that matters here, 154 00:12:27,547 --> 00:12:29,315 is what does the atmosphere see? 155 00:12:29,315 --> 00:12:31,184 How much carbon is the atmosphere seeing 156 00:12:31,184 --> 00:12:33,286 when you burn different kinds of fuel? 157 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:35,955 And it's just a fact that there's more carbon coming out 158 00:12:35,955 --> 00:12:38,324 of the stack when you burn wood than when you burn coal. 159 00:12:38,324 --> 00:12:39,359 [ominous music] 160 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:41,127 The physics are the physics. 161 00:12:42,128 --> 00:12:44,530 There's CO2 coming out of the stack. 162 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:48,001 There's nothing special about that CO2 that makes it have less 163 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:52,005 climate-warming potential than fossil fuel CO2. 164 00:12:53,239 --> 00:12:56,609 What's different with bioenergy is that there's an assumption 165 00:12:56,609 --> 00:13:00,313 that sometime in the future those emissions will be offset. 166 00:13:02,248 --> 00:13:04,584 No one's making sure that happens. 167 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:09,622 There is no bioenergy company that I'm aware of that is 168 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:15,962 actually managing forests and assuredly proving that the wood 169 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:19,832 that they burn today, which is emitting CO2, is being offset 170 00:13:19,832 --> 00:13:24,504 by new trees being planted, which are equivalent in mass 171 00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:26,139 to the trees that they just cut. 172 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:33,146 If you want to be sustainable, that means that you have to be 173 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:40,720 restoring an area 20, 30 times as large, so that you're soaking 174 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,758 up as much carbon from the atmosphere as you put into 175 00:13:45,758 --> 00:13:49,028 the atmosphere when you burn that wood. 176 00:13:49,028 --> 00:13:53,032 A fourth-grader will tell you, trees are big, and seedlings 177 00:13:53,032 --> 00:13:55,768 are small. And it really is that simple. 178 00:13:57,136 --> 00:13:59,072 The industry likes to make it sound like it's super 179 00:13:59,072 --> 00:14:01,908 complicated, you know, "Leave it to the experts. 180 00:14:01,908 --> 00:14:04,243 Don't trouble your heads. We got it under control. 181 00:14:04,243 --> 00:14:07,647 We would never do anything to harm the climate." 182 00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:10,950 Well, they are, and they will, and they do. 183 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:13,386 And they'll get you to back them up 184 00:14:13,386 --> 00:14:15,888 by telling you that it's green and clean. 185 00:14:15,888 --> 00:14:18,124 You end up being duped by this industry. 186 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:32,071 The UK department of environment has come out with a report that 187 00:14:32,071 --> 00:14:36,042 shows that the use of wood pellets for energy actually 188 00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:40,580 decreases the greenhouse gas footprint of energy between 189 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:44,383 74% to 90% as opposed to the use of coal. 190 00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,920 - Switching to biomass from coal can reduce carbon emissions by 191 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,923 between 74% and 90%. 192 00:14:50,923 --> 00:14:54,827 MARY: The claims that Enviva is making are based on just not 193 00:14:54,827 --> 00:14:58,231 counting any of the CO2 that's emitted when you burn biomass. 194 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:02,201 The carbon accounting framework that they use only counts the 195 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:06,339 emissions that are associatd with harvesting and transport. 196 00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:09,208 But they would not count they CO2 that's emitted by burning it 197 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:10,576 at the stack. 198 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:13,980 And this was identified as the critical climate accounting 199 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:18,651 error in the Tim Searchinger et al. paper, which was so 200 00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:21,988 important in getting this conversation started. 201 00:15:21,988 --> 00:15:24,724 - So here's where the actual accounting error came from. 202 00:15:24,724 --> 00:15:29,428 In a long story, we ended up developing an accounting rule 203 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:35,034 for global national reporting, that said for bioenergy purposes 204 00:15:35,034 --> 00:15:37,870 we're going to count the carbon when you cut down the tree, so 205 00:15:37,870 --> 00:15:40,306 we don't have to count it again when it goes up the smoke stack. 206 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:44,010 That rule works if and only if you're actually counting 207 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:45,645 the carbon when you cut down the tree. 208 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:47,413 [chain saw revs] 209 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:50,082 MARY: But the U.S. isn't really reporting those numbers, 210 00:15:50,082 --> 00:15:54,287 at least not in an official way, and the UK is not reporting 211 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,823 trees that are being cut down in the United States. 212 00:15:56,823 --> 00:15:59,759 So when it comes to those trees being burned 213 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:03,129 in UK power plants, those emissions are treated as zero. 214 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:07,133 Because if you were counting it both when the tree is cut 215 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:10,603 and at the power plant, then you'd be double counting it. 216 00:16:10,603 --> 00:16:12,939 TIM: So a rule that's designed to prevent you from counting 217 00:16:12,939 --> 00:16:16,576 carbon twice became a rule that says you never count it at all. 218 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:22,815 Once that mistake had been made, 219 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:25,518 all kinds of people started thinking 220 00:16:25,518 --> 00:16:30,623 "Well, bioenergy can help solve our climate crisis." 221 00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:35,328 The problem is that this mistake happened to also co-exist in 222 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:37,663 a way that would allow people to make a lot of money. 223 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:41,634 - By reliably providing customers throughout the world 224 00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:45,638 with an alternative to coal, Enviva is part of a cleaner, 225 00:16:45,638 --> 00:16:48,774 greener, low-carbon energy future. 226 00:16:48,774 --> 00:16:52,879 The only green in this industry is the enormous amount of money 227 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,116 that these speculators are making in this pellet industry 228 00:16:57,116 --> 00:17:00,653 in response to a policy in Europe that makes no sense. 229 00:17:13,165 --> 00:17:17,904 - That wood as energy is carbon- neutral or is zero-carbon, 230 00:17:17,904 --> 00:17:21,140 comes from the notion that if you burn something, 231 00:17:21,140 --> 00:17:23,809 something else will grow and absorb the same 232 00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:25,945 amount of carbon dioxide. 233 00:17:25,945 --> 00:17:28,581 I used to accept that without question. 234 00:17:28,581 --> 00:17:29,849 I thought, "Well, this is great, yeah. 235 00:17:29,849 --> 00:17:30,883 Sure, this is wonderful. 236 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:34,287 What a great way to deal with this problem." 237 00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:37,290 What I hadn't thought about was the lag time, and the lag time 238 00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:39,525 is hugely important. 239 00:17:39,525 --> 00:17:42,929 MARY: Yes, these trees may grow back in time, but we don't have 240 00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:47,133 50, 70, 100 years to wait for those trees to grow back, 241 00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:49,135 to take that carbon out of the atmosphere. 242 00:17:49,135 --> 00:17:51,003 We need to do it right away. 243 00:17:51,003 --> 00:17:53,472 BILL: We've jumped to a conclusion on a very simple 244 00:17:53,472 --> 00:17:56,442 notion of carbon-in carbon-out of trees. 245 00:17:56,442 --> 00:17:59,812 And because it grows back, it's carbon-neutral, 246 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:01,614 but it's not planet-neutral. 247 00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:13,292 [bird calling] Pileated Woodpecker. 248 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:20,499 This land has been in my family since 1898. 249 00:18:20,499 --> 00:18:23,836 Some of these tress are over 140 years old. 250 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:30,543 When I was small, our outings were squirrel hunting, 251 00:18:30,543 --> 00:18:34,480 and we'd walk through these huge forests, trees so tall 252 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,248 that you couldn't see the tops. 253 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:41,921 I felt like I had stepped off into a adventure. 254 00:18:44,156 --> 00:18:49,195 And now where they've logged and there's planted in pines, when 255 00:18:49,195 --> 00:18:53,899 you walk in the woods there, you walk in the reed thickets. 256 00:18:55,334 --> 00:19:00,072 You can't see the ground for the reeds and briars. 257 00:19:01,207 --> 00:19:04,677 And every tree is planted in a row, 258 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:06,612 and they're all the same. 259 00:19:09,248 --> 00:19:12,585 Some of the land around here, I've seen it cut three times 260 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:15,021 in my lifetime. 261 00:19:15,021 --> 00:19:17,990 It started out as hardwoods and ended up as pines. 262 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:24,997 My neighbors tried talked me into logging mine at the 263 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:27,433 same time they logged theirs. 264 00:19:27,433 --> 00:19:29,201 They said they could come right in and knock it out 265 00:19:29,201 --> 00:19:30,603 in just a little while. 266 00:19:30,603 --> 00:19:34,106 I said, "Yeah, it's a shame that they could devastate a forest 267 00:19:34,106 --> 00:19:37,443 that took 150 years to develop, and they could wipe it out 268 00:19:37,443 --> 00:19:39,145 in a couple of weeks." 269 00:19:39,145 --> 00:19:42,882 Well, both my neighbors come to me after they had theirs logged 270 00:19:42,882 --> 00:19:44,750 and said it wasn't worth the money. 271 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:46,752 They wished they had their trees back. 272 00:19:50,089 --> 00:19:53,959 And you can come in here in the early summer, 273 00:19:53,959 --> 00:19:56,529 and there's millions of fireflies back here. 274 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:01,133 And the whole ground, 275 00:20:01,133 --> 00:20:05,337 they're just blinking, millions and millions of them. 276 00:20:06,605 --> 00:20:10,176 [bird call] Our woodpecker friend is back. 277 00:20:15,147 --> 00:20:21,187 I invite each and every one of you to join the SOS, Save Our 278 00:20:21,187 --> 00:20:25,558 Southern forest movement, because it's as much about 279 00:20:25,558 --> 00:20:28,894 pushing back the wood pellet industry as it is about 280 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:32,431 projecting a better future and scaling up protection 281 00:20:32,431 --> 00:20:34,533 of our forest here in the southern U.S. 282 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:39,405 [upbeat bluegrass] 283 00:20:52,985 --> 00:20:55,588 [cheering, laughing] 284 00:20:58,190 --> 00:21:01,627 ADAM: People are filling out SOS messages, and they're going to 285 00:21:01,627 --> 00:21:04,396 be sent to the President of the European Union. 286 00:21:05,564 --> 00:21:07,333 Europe is developing what they're calling 287 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:09,168 the 2030 package. 288 00:21:09,168 --> 00:21:11,871 So that's their post-2020 climate plan, 289 00:21:11,871 --> 00:21:15,875 the well-intentioned plan that set off this industry. 290 00:21:17,209 --> 00:21:20,779 This is taking that local action on a global scale. 291 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:23,782 CROWD: Save our Southern forest! [cheers] 292 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:30,256 [applause] 293 00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:33,626 So thank you all so much for coming out tonight. 294 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:36,862 We're really excited to be here in Panama City. 295 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:40,799 In 2009, we were exporting a couple hundred tons 296 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,869 of wood pellets a year, the U.S. South. 297 00:21:43,869 --> 00:21:45,704 A couple hundred tons is not a lot. 298 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:51,076 In 2014, we exported over five million, just a explosion of 299 00:21:51,076 --> 00:21:55,214 an industry that's being completely driven by subsidies. 300 00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:58,384 There's no one better to protect the forest of the panhandle 301 00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,052 than the citizens of the panhandle. 302 00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:03,923 We're really concerned that a lot of the private lands 303 00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:07,259 in these flood plains now have a new market. 304 00:22:07,259 --> 00:22:09,995 They claim that they only use wood that is not usable 305 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,465 for lumber and other uses. 306 00:22:13,465 --> 00:22:16,735 They imply that wood residues such as bark, saw dust, 307 00:22:16,735 --> 00:22:20,773 tree tops, limbs make up most of their raw material. 308 00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:24,210 - What got sold to us as a really green, bio-diverse 309 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:27,680 biomass project was a lie, folks. 310 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,216 I mean, it was just a damn bold-faced lie. 311 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:41,727 ADAM: There are constant trucks coming in there loaded with 312 00:22:41,727 --> 00:22:45,698 whole trees, mostly pine, trees that are going 313 00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:48,834 into this facility to be processed into pellets. 314 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,804 - How many trucks did you count? 315 00:22:51,804 --> 00:22:57,476 - There was 10 with trees and 8 with chips the whole time. 316 00:22:57,476 --> 00:22:59,211 - What was that, in 20 minutes? 317 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:01,880 - 20 minutes 19 trucks: It's almost a truck a minute. 318 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,549 - That's pretty crazy. 319 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:09,688 The pellet industry here in North Carolina has worked with 320 00:23:09,688 --> 00:23:13,092 our state department of commerce, who care more about 321 00:23:13,092 --> 00:23:16,895 the pellet industry than they do about the local communities that 322 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:20,165 are going to be adversely affected by these pellet mills. 323 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:23,235 - It's loud. 324 00:23:23,235 --> 00:23:26,305 You can hear it more at night than daytime. 325 00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:28,407 The banging, it sounds like somebody's 326 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:31,343 just banging in a pan. 327 00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:35,414 The dust, we're breathing it. 328 00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:40,052 I let them know that it was not right for us to jump up 329 00:23:40,052 --> 00:23:43,122 and leave, just because you know, this plant. 330 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:45,924 REPORTER: In North Carolina, a small community's 331 00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:48,527 quiet lifestyle has been disrupted. 332 00:23:48,527 --> 00:23:50,696 Some have even moved out. 333 00:23:50,696 --> 00:23:53,999 You have residents that are stuck here because this is home. 334 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:57,236 They can't afford to, you know, just pick up because something 335 00:23:57,236 --> 00:24:00,606 came in their neighborhood that's disrupting their lives. 336 00:24:00,606 --> 00:24:04,109 They're being aggravated now with the constant noise, 337 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:06,312 the constant trucks 24/7. 338 00:24:08,747 --> 00:24:12,718 DANNA: That's bad enough, but a lot of people don't realize 339 00:24:12,718 --> 00:24:16,288 the extent of logging that's occurring in the southern 340 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:21,593 United States is significantly impacting these rural 341 00:24:21,593 --> 00:24:26,465 communities' ability to revitalize their economy. 342 00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:33,405 One of the reasons why these communities continue to be poor 343 00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:36,608 is because the landscape is so degraded. 344 00:24:41,046 --> 00:24:43,982 If logging were a way to pull these communities 345 00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:47,586 out of poverty, they would be some of the richest communities 346 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:50,222 in the world, because we're at global ground zero 347 00:24:50,222 --> 00:24:52,191 for industrial logging. 348 00:24:58,731 --> 00:25:03,135 - The loss of natural vegetation types in the region 349 00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:05,137 has been profound. 350 00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:10,542 96%, 97% of the longleaf ecosystem having been lost 351 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:14,513 over the last several centuries, and something like 3/4 352 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:20,119 of the landscape is now covered by fields, cities, highways, 353 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,654 pine plantations that do not provide the kind of 354 00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:25,557 bio-diversity values that natural or even 355 00:25:25,557 --> 00:25:28,394 semi-natural forests provide. 356 00:25:29,628 --> 00:25:32,765 There's an important distinction to be made between natural and 357 00:25:32,765 --> 00:25:36,368 semi-natural forests and pine plantations. 358 00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:39,772 They differ in quite profound ways. 359 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:48,180 We do sampling of forests and plantations where we basically 360 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:51,450 catalogue all the plant species in an area 361 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:53,452 roughly the size of a house. 362 00:25:54,586 --> 00:26:00,859 In a natural forest, we often find 80 or 90 or 120 or even 150 363 00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:04,763 different plant species growing in that small an area. 364 00:26:04,763 --> 00:26:09,768 In general, in pine plantations, we just find a few species. 365 00:26:09,768 --> 00:26:14,940 That means that the remaining natural and semi-natural forests 366 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:18,777 that we have in the southeastern United States are bearing an 367 00:26:18,777 --> 00:26:22,347 increasing burden for maintaining the biodiversity 368 00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:24,349 for the whole region. 369 00:26:27,152 --> 00:26:31,023 The southeast U.S. as a ecoregion is the most heavily 370 00:26:31,023 --> 00:26:34,126 disturbed forest landscape in the world. 371 00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:38,464 On a percentage basis, we estimate in roughly a decade's 372 00:26:38,464 --> 00:26:41,700 worth of time a third of the tree cover is either re-growing 373 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,937 or cleared, and that percentage is higher than any other 374 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:47,072 like landscape globally. 375 00:26:47,072 --> 00:26:49,608 And it's really just the turning of the landscape 376 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,477 into a tree farm. 377 00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:57,449 - What we've seen is a huge increase in these industrial 378 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,185 tree plantations, these tree cornfields. 379 00:27:09,862 --> 00:27:14,132 This has been a real scam and a ploy that the forestry industry 380 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:18,237 has really promoted and been happy about, because they want 381 00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:21,306 to be able to grow these tree plantations and harvest and get 382 00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:25,511 more and more, and more and more, and that's a convenient 383 00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:27,980 industrial monoculture way to do that. 384 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:31,617 And if you call it a forest, they get all the kudos for 385 00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:33,986 growing forests, but they're not planting forests. 386 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,988 They're planting monocultures. 387 00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:41,527 A plantation is nothing like this. 388 00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:44,363 In a plantation you have one species of tree. 389 00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:46,832 They're often managed with herbicides, if they're 390 00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:49,668 coniferous plantations, to get rid of everything else. 391 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,070 Fertilizers are being used. 392 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:54,439 That means they're impacting the soil community as well. 393 00:27:54,439 --> 00:27:57,409 So what you have is a very compromised system 394 00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:59,778 that really lacks that biotic diversity and has 395 00:27:59,778 --> 00:28:02,915 less resilience than a forest like this. 396 00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:06,251 So this structure out here, these stumps, the downed debris 397 00:28:06,251 --> 00:28:11,023 of limbs and trunks of trees is called coarse woody debris, and 398 00:28:11,023 --> 00:28:17,496 there's whole hosts of fungi, beetles, bacteria, all sorts of 399 00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:19,898 things that are just specialized to decomposing 400 00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:21,633 coarse, woody debris. 401 00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:24,836 So if it's present, your system is much more biologically 402 00:28:24,836 --> 00:28:27,172 diverse and much more resilient. 403 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,677 If a person has a compromised immune system, they're much more 404 00:28:31,677 --> 00:28:34,846 likely to get sick, or if they get sick, have serious 405 00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:37,049 complications from that illness. 406 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:40,152 Well, all the biota in that coarse, woody debris is part of 407 00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:43,088 the immune system of a forest ecosystem. 408 00:28:43,088 --> 00:28:45,624 It's part of that resiliency. 409 00:28:58,837 --> 00:29:04,710 DANNA: The amount of wood that is going to be required 410 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:07,913 to generate even a small fraction 411 00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:11,750 of our electricity needs is huge. 412 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:16,021 - FuturaGene's solution: Sustainable biomass production 413 00:29:16,021 --> 00:29:19,324 through genetically modified plantation forestry. 414 00:29:19,324 --> 00:29:23,061 FuturaGene, Arborgen... 415 00:29:23,061 --> 00:29:25,897 there are a number of other companies that have been 416 00:29:25,897 --> 00:29:29,368 promoting the idea that if we can engineer trees to grow 417 00:29:29,368 --> 00:29:33,438 really fast, or have certain properties that make them easier 418 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:39,211 to harvest, or to otherwise be more useful to our bioenergy 419 00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:43,582 demands, that we can grow more wood on less land. 420 00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:46,218 That's what they keep saying: More wood on less land. 421 00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:48,820 - Using biotechnology, we are going to cultivate 422 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:51,390 more productive and sustainable forests. 423 00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:54,192 It's good for the environment and for you. 424 00:29:59,031 --> 00:30:01,933 With trees, especially wind-pollinated trees, 425 00:30:01,933 --> 00:30:06,071 ones that can hybridize, I'd be really worried about those 426 00:30:06,071 --> 00:30:08,907 manufactured genes getting into natural populations. 427 00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:11,943 And who knows how they morph or what that does. 428 00:30:11,943 --> 00:30:13,712 We're in our infancy understanding these systems, 429 00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:16,581 and when we start doing stuff like this, when we don't really 430 00:30:16,581 --> 00:30:19,351 understand fully what the outcomes are, we could find 431 00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:21,453 that we're really messing things up in a big way. 432 00:30:30,195 --> 00:30:32,664 [birds, insects fill the forest] 433 00:30:36,168 --> 00:30:42,174 We cut timber pretty much annually, so we're constantly 434 00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:43,942 working at cutting timber. 435 00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:47,379 We got more timber now than we had when we got started. 436 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:52,017 So you don't have to have it in rows and have it where 437 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:54,186 it's got to be a crop. 438 00:30:56,621 --> 00:31:01,560 We're growing timber out here, but we're also dealing with 439 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,730 being able to keep endangered species where everybody else 440 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,332 is losing that. We got Gopher tortoises. 441 00:31:07,332 --> 00:31:09,901 We got wire grass. We got the ground oak. 442 00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:12,070 We got the Red-Cockaded woodpecker. 443 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:14,072 We got all of that. 444 00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:20,879 You can sell quality for a lot bigger price than quantity. 445 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:23,915 So this is perfect. 446 00:31:23,915 --> 00:31:26,952 I mean, it's your cake and eating it too. 447 00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:37,195 - Okay. And largely right here, it's biomass is an emerging 448 00:31:37,195 --> 00:31:40,065 market, and here I have in parentheses for all of us. 449 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:42,734 Yes, I know we've been using biomass in the industry 450 00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:45,871 for quite a long time, but not to the potential scale 451 00:31:45,871 --> 00:31:48,039 that some people have been talking about. 452 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,309 So when people talk about massively increasing bioenergy, 453 00:31:51,309 --> 00:31:53,578 what they're talking about is massively increasing the amount 454 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,480 of trees we harvest on the planet. 455 00:31:57,549 --> 00:32:02,821 The mistake that thinking that trees are carbon-free, which 456 00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:07,826 leads you to harvest wood, could become a truly dramatic mistake, 457 00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:09,828 if you keep making that mistake. 458 00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:14,599 One study that was done by researchers at University of 459 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,036 Maryland, basically showed that to produce something on 460 00:32:18,036 --> 00:32:22,440 the order of a little more than 20%, 30% of world energy by 461 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,510 2100, you would've cut down all the world's forests. 462 00:32:28,013 --> 00:32:31,817 If there is this incentive for industry to go into wood pellet 463 00:32:31,817 --> 00:32:34,953 production, and hardwoods are preferred, there's 464 00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:36,888 a finite resource in the southeast. 465 00:32:36,888 --> 00:32:39,758 And where are the remaining hardwood forests in the U.S.? 466 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:43,028 You think about the 50-100 year re-growth in the mid-Atlantic 467 00:32:43,028 --> 00:32:46,531 northeast, these are the big stands of hardwood forests. 468 00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:50,068 And if this incentive and driver is there, you could imagine 469 00:32:50,068 --> 00:32:53,104 displacement outside of the southeast into higher latitude 470 00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:55,974 forests, from Maryland up to Maine, as being a source 471 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,210 for "green" energy. 472 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,484 [atmospheric music] 473 00:33:12,924 --> 00:33:16,461 - The forests of the eastern U.S. are almost the only place 474 00:33:16,461 --> 00:33:20,031 on planet earth that went from brown to green over the course 475 00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:24,936 of the last century, as they re -grew, as people stepped back, 476 00:33:24,936 --> 00:33:29,774 as we began to preserve either because of the accidents of 477 00:33:29,774 --> 00:33:33,612 economics or through conscious public policy. 478 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,751 The planet tries valiantly to sequester carbon. 479 00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:42,687 It does it in the oceans, and it does it in the forests 480 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,789 primarily, and these temperate forests 481 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:47,192 are big sinks for carbon. 482 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:51,796 And it's safely locked up for the moment in those trees. 483 00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:06,144 TOM: If we truly want to mitigate climate change, 484 00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:07,812 then we've got to make sure our forests 485 00:34:07,812 --> 00:34:09,814 are storing a lot of carbon. 486 00:34:10,982 --> 00:34:13,919 Leaves are basically like photovoltaic panels. 487 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,756 Instead of making electric current, they're making 488 00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:19,858 energy storage molecules. 489 00:34:19,858 --> 00:34:22,761 So they're taking in carbon dioxide. 490 00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:26,331 That's going in through small holes on the underside of 491 00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:28,833 the leaf called stomatal pores. 492 00:34:28,833 --> 00:34:31,403 So a leaf like this would just have millions 493 00:34:31,403 --> 00:34:33,505 of stomata under here. 494 00:34:33,505 --> 00:34:37,208 The carbon dioxide goes into the cells in the leaf where 495 00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:40,312 photosynthesis takes place, and the roots of the tree 496 00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:41,980 are taking up water. 497 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:43,949 That's another valuable resource in this process. 498 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:48,920 The cells are removing the oxygen from the carbon dioxide 499 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,725 molecule, removing the oxygen from the water molecule. 500 00:34:53,725 --> 00:34:56,761 That oxygen from the water molecule gets released into 501 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,064 the air so we can breathe. 502 00:34:59,064 --> 00:35:02,701 Then they link the hydrogen atoms onto the carbon atoms, 503 00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:07,439 converting it into sugars, which is an energy storage molecule. 504 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,475 Those can get converted into cellulose and lignan to make 505 00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:13,612 the wood of the trees that are around us. 506 00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:21,086 In our forests, the soil is the major carbon sink. 507 00:35:21,086 --> 00:35:23,922 By the time we get to about an 80-year-old forest around here, 508 00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:26,891 half of all the organic material is down in the ground. 509 00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:31,796 It looks like a lot of biomass in the trunks, 510 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:33,765 in the leaves and everything else. 511 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:37,702 It's dwarfed by what is actually down in the soil below our feet, 512 00:35:37,702 --> 00:35:42,107 where carbon ends up and organic material ends up, and where you 513 00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:45,343 have all these mycorrhizal fungi, that are linking 514 00:35:45,343 --> 00:35:49,014 everything together, creating this system that's very tight in 515 00:35:49,014 --> 00:35:51,249 holding its nutrients and very, very resilient. 516 00:35:55,253 --> 00:35:59,858 Mycorrhizae associate with the roots of trees, and in that 517 00:35:59,858 --> 00:36:02,794 association, they extract their carbohydrate energy from the 518 00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:05,764 tree roots, but they're not parasites. 519 00:36:05,764 --> 00:36:09,000 They actually benefit the trees they associate with, because the 520 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,370 mycelium, or the fungus in the soil, is so extensive that any 521 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:15,674 tree that associates with mycorrhizae can increase their 522 00:36:15,674 --> 00:36:18,677 nutrient water uptake up to about tenfold. 523 00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:24,182 Not only are nutrients and water going between plant species via 524 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,452 the mycorrhizae, but energy transfer is happening as well 525 00:36:27,452 --> 00:36:29,754 even between different species of plants. 526 00:36:29,754 --> 00:36:31,756 And phytochemicals can convey 527 00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:34,325 plant information through the mycorrhizal network. 528 00:36:37,028 --> 00:36:40,165 The mycorrhizae are critically important in the health 529 00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:42,167 of these systems. 530 00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:54,512 [melancholy music] 531 00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:10,762 - I ran for mayor, and I was elected mayor 532 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:12,997 in the trough of the misery. 533 00:37:12,997 --> 00:37:17,502 The mill was closed and briefly reopened, and then they were 534 00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:23,641 closed again when I got sworn in with no prospects of reopening. 535 00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:36,221 Up until about 10 years ago, northern New England 536 00:37:36,221 --> 00:37:38,723 relied heavily on the paper industry. 537 00:37:40,658 --> 00:37:43,128 And at some point, the multinational corporations 538 00:37:43,128 --> 00:37:45,530 that owned these paper mills decided that it was a bad 539 00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:51,736 investment to keep modernizing old mills, so they starved them 540 00:37:51,736 --> 00:37:55,540 out, liquidated their forest holdings, sold them off. 541 00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:58,143 PAUL: We were losing tax base. The community's getting older. 542 00:37:58,143 --> 00:38:00,145 We're not keeping our young people. 543 00:38:00,145 --> 00:38:03,515 JAMIE: More than half of the storefronts are vacant. 544 00:38:03,515 --> 00:38:06,084 So we're in the process of trying to figure out 545 00:38:06,084 --> 00:38:08,620 how do we revive our economy? 546 00:38:10,755 --> 00:38:14,759 PAUL: We worked very hard to get the Burgess Biopower plant 547 00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:18,062 permitted and up and running. 548 00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,469 [mellow jazz] 549 00:38:36,447 --> 00:38:40,185 Wall Street abandoned us. It plundered our forests. 550 00:38:40,185 --> 00:38:43,454 It ran down our mills. 551 00:38:43,454 --> 00:38:46,858 It refused to invest to keep them competitive, 552 00:38:46,858 --> 00:38:49,093 and then it dumped us. 553 00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:52,130 And you want to bring them back and hope that the story is going 554 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:55,133 to end better this next time? 555 00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:56,467 I don't see that. 556 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:01,306 We have been going on two tracks to re-invent our economy. 557 00:39:01,306 --> 00:39:04,108 One is to chase another Wall Street investor to build 558 00:39:04,108 --> 00:39:06,311 some big factory. 559 00:39:06,311 --> 00:39:09,647 The other approach that is gaining a lot of support in our 560 00:39:09,647 --> 00:39:15,386 communities here is to focus on the sort of things that limit 561 00:39:15,386 --> 00:39:18,623 our vulnerability to global economic forces. 562 00:39:18,623 --> 00:39:22,227 So let's focus on local ownership of businesses instead 563 00:39:22,227 --> 00:39:24,295 of absentee investors and ownership. 564 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:29,133 Burgess represents the absolute worst kind of public policy. 565 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:36,808 It represents huge subsidies that are going to players who 566 00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:40,612 don't live in our community, and if they didn't get those credits 567 00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:43,915 and subsidies it wouldn't make economic sense 568 00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:45,950 to invest in these plants. 569 00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:53,091 What nobody talks about is the hidden subsidies that the public 570 00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:56,361 is giving them in the form of externalities. 571 00:39:59,197 --> 00:40:02,333 TOM: Forests provide a huge amount of services for us, 572 00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:05,136 besides just the wood products they're growing. 573 00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:08,006 They're really critical in the water cycle 574 00:40:08,006 --> 00:40:09,407 and clarifying water. 575 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:11,309 They're critical in erosion control. 576 00:40:11,309 --> 00:40:15,246 They're critical in sequestering carbon, in producing oxygen, 577 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:16,915 in removing pollutants. 578 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:20,351 They do all sorts of services that if we actually had to pay 579 00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:24,656 for them on our own, the cost would be astronomical. 580 00:40:24,656 --> 00:40:27,859 So they have real important roles for our well-being. 581 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:32,931 [water burbling] 582 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,400 - I'm looking here at the gouge in the land here. 583 00:40:37,702 --> 00:40:40,972 Where there wasn't free-running water before this logging 584 00:40:40,972 --> 00:40:44,909 operation, and now there's a kind of a stream bed that's been 585 00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:48,913 cut carrying all kinds of silt down into the brook 586 00:40:48,913 --> 00:40:50,481 at the bottom of the hill. 587 00:40:52,617 --> 00:40:54,919 - When you do a heavy logging like that, you annihilate 588 00:40:54,919 --> 00:40:56,854 that mycorrhizal community. 589 00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:59,490 And of course, there's a huge flush of nutrients 590 00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,092 right out of the forest soil. 591 00:41:01,092 --> 00:41:04,929 Not just carbon coming out from decomposition, but huge flushes 592 00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:07,966 of, you know, nitrogen and potassium and phosphorus, that 593 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,901 go right out into the watershed. 594 00:41:09,901 --> 00:41:13,705 And it takes a good 20 years before that nutrient loss is 595 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,674 stabilized as the forest recovers. 596 00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:20,311 JAMIE: These folks in the biomass plant are not paying for 597 00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:23,948 the damage that they're inflicting to forest ecosystems. 598 00:41:23,948 --> 00:41:26,751 They're given a free ride on that. 599 00:41:26,751 --> 00:41:32,123 If they had to pay for the cost to society, it would be 600 00:41:32,123 --> 00:41:34,392 an impossible thing to invest in. 601 00:41:34,392 --> 00:41:36,728 It would be a absolute financial disaster. 602 00:41:36,728 --> 00:41:40,298 So it's only due to misguided public policy that this 603 00:41:40,298 --> 00:41:43,134 kind of plant is even plausible. 604 00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:46,137 It's an important question as to whether our public subsidies are 605 00:41:46,137 --> 00:41:50,708 actually rewarding the most efficient use of biomass. 606 00:41:51,809 --> 00:41:55,847 I think if we're going to use wood for energy, we want to use 607 00:41:55,847 --> 00:41:58,149 it in the most efficient manner possible. 608 00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,786 The whole reason to do it is to displace fossil fuel use, 609 00:42:01,786 --> 00:42:05,923 and we want to displace as much fossil fuel for unit of 610 00:42:05,923 --> 00:42:07,392 wood that we harvest. 611 00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:09,560 And in that sense you're much better off using the wood 612 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,995 to generate heat. 613 00:42:10,995 --> 00:42:13,664 Many people, particularly in rural areas, heat their homes 614 00:42:13,664 --> 00:42:15,233 with wood. 615 00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:17,001 But that's not what we're talking about here. 616 00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:21,305 We're talking about industrial scale that is just devastating 617 00:42:21,305 --> 00:42:23,641 becauses it's so inefficient. 618 00:42:23,641 --> 00:42:27,412 The basic efficiency of burning wood chips to make electricity 619 00:42:27,412 --> 00:42:29,247 alone is 25%. 620 00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:33,985 That also means that you are discarding 75% of the energy. 621 00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:37,822 Well, if you've got a project with 100 trucks a day going in 622 00:42:37,822 --> 00:42:42,560 to feed it, that means that 75 of them are being discarded. 623 00:42:48,699 --> 00:42:53,871 - They are burning trees at that plant to the tune of 113 tons 624 00:42:53,871 --> 00:42:57,175 an hour, which is more biomass than you would get if you went 625 00:42:57,175 --> 00:43:01,312 out and cut down an acre of New Hampshire's forests. 626 00:43:01,312 --> 00:43:05,016 So they are burning the equivalent of clear cutting 627 00:43:05,016 --> 00:43:07,218 more than acre an hour. 628 00:43:13,191 --> 00:43:17,862 To try to feed a 50-megawatt plant or a 100-megawatt plant 629 00:43:17,862 --> 00:43:21,199 the amount of fuel is just huge, and the distance you have 630 00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,634 to bring that wood is huge. 631 00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:26,737 The fact that the whole tree is removed, everything, even 632 00:43:26,737 --> 00:43:30,107 the rotten parts, you know, the crooked parts, anything that 633 00:43:30,107 --> 00:43:34,779 can be run through a chipper, the branches and the tops 634 00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:38,883 that have nutrients, that have organic matter. All the things 635 00:43:38,883 --> 00:43:43,588 that help a forest be diverse and to grow and be productive 636 00:43:43,588 --> 00:43:45,590 are taken from it. 637 00:43:46,824 --> 00:43:50,628 - Our forests are the greatest carbon storage medium we have, 638 00:43:50,628 --> 00:43:54,599 and we should have public policies that encourage that 639 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,068 forest to store more carbon. 640 00:43:57,068 --> 00:44:00,271 That may run afoul of the economics of commercial forest 641 00:44:00,271 --> 00:44:04,408 management, but I think the emerging markets for forest 642 00:44:04,408 --> 00:44:07,512 carbon offsets can help in that regard. 643 00:44:07,512 --> 00:44:11,048 It can provide landowners some financial compensation for 644 00:44:11,048 --> 00:44:14,051 keeping more carbon on the stump, than might otherwise 645 00:44:14,051 --> 00:44:16,087 make economic sense. 646 00:44:17,522 --> 00:44:20,658 JAMIE: Biomass is the ultimate commodification of the forest. 647 00:44:20,658 --> 00:44:22,126 It's that simple. 648 00:44:22,126 --> 00:44:28,199 It treats it as an inanimate object to be degraded or used 649 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:33,504 and exploited for human purposes with no consequences. 650 00:44:34,772 --> 00:44:37,942 And so I look at a project like this, and I say, 651 00:44:37,942 --> 00:44:41,579 "This is what qualifies as sustainable green, clean, 652 00:44:41,579 --> 00:44:44,715 carbon-free energy?" 653 00:44:44,715 --> 00:44:46,083 This is a disaster. 654 00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:50,488 This is not sustainable; and it is not green, and it is not 655 00:44:50,488 --> 00:44:53,457 clean, and it is certainly not carbon-neutral. 656 00:44:54,825 --> 00:45:00,598 The fact is Mr. President, that biomass energy is a sustainable, 657 00:45:00,598 --> 00:45:04,669 responsible, renewable and economically 658 00:45:04,669 --> 00:45:07,138 significant energy source. 659 00:45:24,989 --> 00:45:30,027 Susan Collin's quotes are lifted directly from the website of 660 00:45:30,027 --> 00:45:33,731 the American Forest and Paper Association word for word. 661 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:39,003 Our amendment supports this carbon-neutral energy source 662 00:45:39,003 --> 00:45:44,008 as an essential part of our nation's energy future. 663 00:45:44,008 --> 00:45:46,143 If this amendment goes through, it will have 664 00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:48,212 very serious consequences. 665 00:45:48,212 --> 00:45:51,449 First of all, it will mean that in the, U.S. power plants 666 00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:54,285 trying to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions under 667 00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:58,122 the clean power plan, would be able to falsely claim that 668 00:45:58,122 --> 00:46:00,691 burning wood reduces those emissions. 669 00:46:00,691 --> 00:46:02,693 But it's even more significant than that because 670 00:46:02,693 --> 00:46:06,230 if the U.S. makes this error, then countries all around 671 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:07,999 the world will make the error. 672 00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:11,168 Next slide. 673 00:46:11,168 --> 00:46:13,170 What I'm trying to illustrate here is if you think about it 674 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,774 on a larger scale, when you cut down a tree, it takes that stand 675 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:20,811 of timber less time to sequester that carbon. 676 00:46:20,811 --> 00:46:23,414 And then when you think about it on the landscape level, you know 677 00:46:23,414 --> 00:46:26,617 it's almost sort of an instantaneous sequestration, 678 00:46:26,617 --> 00:46:31,055 so long as you have a positive growth to drain ratio and 679 00:46:31,055 --> 00:46:33,124 sustainable forest management practices. 680 00:46:36,427 --> 00:46:38,062 So this is a question. 681 00:46:38,062 --> 00:46:40,731 I'm Mary Booth with Partnership for Policy Integrity. 682 00:46:40,731 --> 00:46:46,404 Given that EPA and the science advisory panel explicitly 683 00:46:46,404 --> 00:46:50,741 disavowed the approach that instantaneous sequestration 684 00:46:50,741 --> 00:46:57,682 happens, I'm wondering why the panelists are advancing this 685 00:46:57,682 --> 00:47:01,852 completely discredited approach to carbon accounting. 686 00:47:01,852 --> 00:47:04,055 It's not instantaneous. 687 00:47:04,055 --> 00:47:08,759 The atmosphere sees the carbon, and it affects climate. 688 00:47:08,759 --> 00:47:11,395 EPA MC: Seth or Justin? 689 00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:15,332 SETH: Yeah, so I'm not sure about the EPA's policies. 690 00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:20,137 I focus on economics and the industry. 691 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:23,407 So it's really important to consider that too, that these 692 00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:26,610 are rational economic actors who are managing the forests. 693 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,481 And if a tree isn't cut for biomass or pulp 694 00:47:30,481 --> 00:47:33,784 and paper or whatever, then there's really no reason 695 00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:37,254 for it to be a forest from an economic perspective. 696 00:47:38,589 --> 00:47:44,061 New Hampshire has an energy strategy, and in that strategy 697 00:47:44,061 --> 00:47:47,732 one of the reasons in support of biomass is to try 698 00:47:47,732 --> 00:47:51,569 to increase fuel independence. 699 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:52,770 EPA MC: Two final questions, and then we're going 700 00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:54,105 to move to the break. 701 00:47:55,506 --> 00:47:57,942 Mary Booth, Partnership for Policy Integrity. 702 00:47:57,942 --> 00:48:01,912 Per megawatt hour, biomass at a free-standing plant emits about 703 00:48:01,912 --> 00:48:04,815 50%-60% more than a modern coal plant, 704 00:48:04,815 --> 00:48:06,617 more CO2 per megawatt hour. 705 00:48:06,617 --> 00:48:09,253 So I just wonder if you could comment a little bit 706 00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:13,157 on how you are reconciling these physical realities, 707 00:48:13,157 --> 00:48:17,061 of more molecules of CO2 coming out of the stack per megawatt 708 00:48:17,061 --> 00:48:22,066 hour, with the need of the clean power plan and the planet 709 00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:24,568 to reduce emissions. Thanks. 710 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:30,374 In response to the question, I don't think it's fair just to 711 00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:36,514 compare the emission rate of biomass power plants 712 00:48:36,514 --> 00:48:38,883 to coal-fired power plants. 713 00:48:38,883 --> 00:48:44,922 You really have to look at the lifecycle, and you do have to 714 00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:52,163 take into account that there is some carbon sequestration 715 00:48:52,163 --> 00:48:54,365 that goes on in the forest. 716 00:49:00,704 --> 00:49:04,909 [pensive music] 717 00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:27,998 I am approximately 100 yards away from 718 00:49:27,998 --> 00:49:29,900 the Warden electric plant. 719 00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,504 The so-called green energy or biomass that they're burning 720 00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:38,576 here, is creating a toxic cloud of ground-up railroad tie dust. 721 00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:43,047 This is a creosote-treated wood fiber that's going airborne, 722 00:49:43,047 --> 00:49:45,449 becoming fugitive dust. 723 00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:48,752 In the industry they call them "fines" that blow 724 00:49:48,752 --> 00:49:50,621 right down into town. 725 00:49:50,621 --> 00:49:54,024 Yeah, that's the plant here that close to our place here. 726 00:49:57,027 --> 00:49:59,230 Oh, yeah, it's affect my breath especially when 727 00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,498 I do gardening around here. 728 00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:07,438 You know, it's like maybe my chest is burnt like that and 729 00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:10,407 then also my, irritates my eyes also. 730 00:50:10,407 --> 00:50:12,843 You can't barbeque outdoors at my house. 731 00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:14,845 I can't open the windows on my house, 732 00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:17,147 because the stuff gets in so heavy. 733 00:50:17,147 --> 00:50:19,917 I tried putting furnace filters in my windows so I could 734 00:50:19,917 --> 00:50:24,154 still open them, but the ultrafine dust from this process 735 00:50:24,154 --> 00:50:25,890 is still getting in. 736 00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,525 I don't want to die early. [nervous laughter] 737 00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:31,295 Yeah. 738 00:50:32,796 --> 00:50:34,832 In the beginning, when they first announced they were 739 00:50:34,832 --> 00:50:39,136 going to open up this plant, it was going to be a green plant. 740 00:50:39,136 --> 00:50:43,340 And they were going to be using forest products, residues 741 00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:44,975 and things like that. 742 00:50:44,975 --> 00:50:46,577 They never told us they were going to be 743 00:50:46,577 --> 00:50:48,979 burning railroad ties. 744 00:50:50,581 --> 00:50:54,051 I think people wanted to believe them when they first came here. 745 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,689 People here don't speak out very much, and they don't think 746 00:50:58,689 --> 00:51:00,291 there is anything they can do. 747 00:51:00,291 --> 00:51:02,626 They don't feel empowered. 748 00:51:02,626 --> 00:51:06,530 Once a company or a plant is opened up here, and local people 749 00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:10,367 have jobs, then people don't want to speak out because they 750 00:51:10,367 --> 00:51:12,369 might have friends or family that work there. 751 00:51:12,369 --> 00:51:14,104 I've got a lot of friends in there too. 752 00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:15,806 It's a small town. 753 00:51:15,806 --> 00:51:19,009 The problem is we're going to have a rash of cancer in this 754 00:51:19,009 --> 00:51:21,645 town, 10 years down the road that's going to be epic. 755 00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:28,419 You don't want to be perceived as somebody against jobs, 756 00:51:28,419 --> 00:51:31,255 even though you know in the back of your mind or in your heart 757 00:51:31,255 --> 00:51:33,958 that this is not a good idea. 758 00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:40,464 So in 2008 we enacted the clean, renewable, and efficient energy 759 00:51:40,464 --> 00:51:45,269 act requiring that the state utilities derive 10% of their 760 00:51:45,269 --> 00:51:48,806 electricity from clean energy resources. 761 00:51:48,806 --> 00:51:52,776 The definition of clean energy resources is of course, 762 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,580 wind and solar, but it also includes biomass. 763 00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,783 I know there was a lot of enthusiasm for it: 764 00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:02,620 Well, it's green and it's sustainable and it's renewable. 765 00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:06,123 And I'm not even sure what green means anymore, because I think 766 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:09,393 anybody can give it an interpretation that sounds good, 767 00:52:09,393 --> 00:52:10,828 and they don't really mean it. 768 00:52:10,828 --> 00:52:13,197 It's just a word that they use in order to make it 769 00:52:13,197 --> 00:52:16,000 more palatable, to my mind. 770 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,502 And sustainable? I'm not sure about that either. 771 00:52:18,502 --> 00:52:21,305 So there might be a lot of deception involved in it. 772 00:52:25,075 --> 00:52:27,745 MARY: The L'Anse Warden Plant in Michigan is representative 773 00:52:27,745 --> 00:52:30,647 of plants in the U.S that are not just burning wood 774 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,716 but burning post-industrial waste 775 00:52:32,716 --> 00:52:35,686 and other kinds of contaminated materials. 776 00:52:54,738 --> 00:52:56,940 At the Warden plant, they've been burning 777 00:52:56,940 --> 00:52:59,610 kind of a witch's brew of a lot of different fuels, 778 00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:03,447 including chipped railroad ties, chipped railroad ties that are 779 00:53:03,447 --> 00:53:06,450 treated with Pentachlorophenol, which is a banned pesticide 780 00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:07,718 in the United States. 781 00:53:07,718 --> 00:53:09,687 But they're importing those ties from Canada. 782 00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:14,925 They're burning clean forest wood, and they're burning tires. 783 00:53:14,925 --> 00:53:19,997 They're burning chipped tires, which might contain 20% rubber 784 00:53:19,997 --> 00:53:22,866 by content, and so that has been treated in some 785 00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:25,602 regulatory contexts as biomass. 786 00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:39,850 CATHERINE: We love living here. We love our lifestyle. 787 00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:45,723 A lot of us aren't here because we're making a lot of money, 788 00:53:45,723 --> 00:53:48,692 but we're here because we love being here. 789 00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:53,430 It's just a beautiful place, and we don't want to see it spoiled. 790 00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:01,205 [heavy engine grinds to a halt] 791 00:54:01,205 --> 00:54:06,643 - I worked in the pulp yard from February of 2006 792 00:54:06,643 --> 00:54:10,447 to August 1st of 2014. 793 00:54:11,482 --> 00:54:18,222 I just started not feeling well, and the first thing was always 794 00:54:18,222 --> 00:54:20,190 as soon as I would get to work, about an hour 795 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:22,526 I'd have a headache, and it would last all day. 796 00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:26,964 It would take probably the weekend to feel better, and 797 00:54:26,964 --> 00:54:29,466 as soon as I'd go there Monday, it'd start all over. 798 00:54:37,141 --> 00:54:39,376 Of course, they're burning volatile hydrocarbons, 799 00:54:39,376 --> 00:54:41,211 which are carcinogenic. 800 00:54:41,211 --> 00:54:44,114 And again, they're not monitoring the air quality, 801 00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:48,018 so these things have been a chronic source of irritation 802 00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,020 and concern for me. 803 00:54:51,021 --> 00:54:54,725 MARY: What's not coming out of the stack at the Warden plant? 804 00:54:54,725 --> 00:54:59,463 It's basically the periodic table of heavy metals, 805 00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:03,400 contaminants, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which 806 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,172 PAHs, which is partially burned compounds that are 807 00:55:08,172 --> 00:55:11,275 highly toxic and carcinogenic. 808 00:55:11,275 --> 00:55:14,878 And also from the chipping operation there, that's a lot of 809 00:55:14,878 --> 00:55:17,281 dust from the fuel before it's burned. 810 00:55:19,216 --> 00:55:22,152 CATHERINE: There is a Catholic elementary school within 811 00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:25,155 very close proximity. 812 00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:29,193 There's a BHK Head Start school for pre-school kids 813 00:55:29,193 --> 00:55:30,894 right next to the facility. 814 00:55:30,894 --> 00:55:33,797 There was a lot of concentration of this black material 815 00:55:33,797 --> 00:55:35,966 all over the snow. 816 00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:39,002 And when we would go outside to play, the children 817 00:55:39,002 --> 00:55:41,371 with lighter-colored snow clothes then would get 818 00:55:41,371 --> 00:55:44,575 this black material on their clothing. 819 00:55:48,312 --> 00:55:51,582 A protest is growing in L'Anse as more and more villagers are 820 00:55:51,582 --> 00:55:54,785 speaking out against the L'Anse Warden Electric Company and 821 00:55:54,785 --> 00:55:56,887 alleged air and water pollution. 822 00:55:56,887 --> 00:56:01,592 - We sent the DEQ videos of fugitive dust releases, 823 00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:05,462 massive fugitive dust releases, and they came up. 824 00:56:05,462 --> 00:56:07,531 And because they didn't see it they said, 825 00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:11,301 "Well, you know we can't admit there's a fugitive dust release 826 00:56:11,301 --> 00:56:12,703 unless we see it." 827 00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:15,372 When we have to determine whether there's a violation on 828 00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:19,643 rule 901 creating a nuisance, we have to see that that dust is 829 00:56:19,643 --> 00:56:24,314 actually impacting a residence or another property. 830 00:56:24,314 --> 00:56:27,684 I don't know what more evidence you need. 831 00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:31,221 - I'm not saying this is the kind of problem 832 00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:36,860 they're experiencing in Flint, but I'm saying that somebody, 833 00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:40,030 not necessarily you people, but somebody in your agency has been 834 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:42,366 sitting around like last year's Christmas tree 835 00:56:42,366 --> 00:56:44,368 and not doing their jobs. 836 00:56:44,368 --> 00:56:47,838 [applause, whistles, cheers] 837 00:56:51,008 --> 00:56:53,176 So we're trying to negotiate with the company a compliance 838 00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:57,481 plan that we know is solid that we can ensure that 839 00:56:57,481 --> 00:56:59,683 the facility's in compliance. 840 00:56:59,683 --> 00:57:02,819 We're going to have another public meeting and public 841 00:57:02,819 --> 00:57:06,356 hearing, once we have a draft compliance plan in place. 842 00:57:08,225 --> 00:57:13,030 - The community is wondering how is it that it can continue 843 00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:15,899 to run when they're not in compliance, 844 00:57:15,899 --> 00:57:18,402 and why is that allowed? 845 00:57:19,403 --> 00:57:24,308 I mean, you and I aren't able to burn tires as individuals. 846 00:57:24,308 --> 00:57:30,714 We are not able to burn railroad ties, and somehow 847 00:57:30,714 --> 00:57:33,784 corporations are able to do that. 848 00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:35,619 How is that possible? 849 00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:38,155 I mean, that's a real basic question for most people 850 00:57:38,155 --> 00:57:39,856 in our community. 851 00:57:46,763 --> 00:57:49,866 - We're going to start out with a one-hour question and answer 852 00:57:49,866 --> 00:57:54,538 session, and then the official public hearing starts at 7:00. 853 00:57:54,538 --> 00:57:57,074 The plant is in my front yard. 854 00:57:57,074 --> 00:58:02,212 Twice now I had come outside, and the gas or the poison in 855 00:58:02,212 --> 00:58:05,749 the air took my breath away, and it terrified me. 856 00:58:05,749 --> 00:58:07,517 I have three small children. 857 00:58:07,517 --> 00:58:11,521 I ran inside, and I had to close all of my windows. 858 00:58:11,521 --> 00:58:17,094 I think it's important that we know who owns Warden Plant. 859 00:58:17,094 --> 00:58:20,964 Warden is owned by a conglomerate called Traxys. 860 00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:24,534 I'll spell it: T-R-A-X-Y-S. 861 00:58:24,534 --> 00:58:27,371 Traxys provides, "Worldwide finance and 862 00:58:27,371 --> 00:58:30,273 commercial services," unquote. 863 00:58:30,273 --> 00:58:37,748 Traxys Peru, Traxys Mexico, Traxys Germany, Traxys Turkey, 864 00:58:37,748 --> 00:58:44,221 Traxys Luxembourg, Traxys Spain, Traxys Moscow, Traxys Paris, 865 00:58:44,221 --> 00:58:49,559 Traxys China, Traxys Hong Kong, Traxys Shanghai. 866 00:58:52,162 --> 00:58:56,833 Would you think Traxys cares about us here? 867 00:58:56,833 --> 00:58:58,535 Do you think they care about us? 868 00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:00,470 Do you think they care about our children? 869 00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:02,672 Do you think they care about our environment? 870 00:59:02,672 --> 00:59:08,412 Do you think they care about our air, our water, our health? 871 00:59:08,412 --> 00:59:10,981 Who cares about us here? 872 00:59:10,981 --> 00:59:13,083 We need your help. 873 00:59:13,083 --> 00:59:15,786 Who else do we have to turn to? 874 00:59:17,354 --> 00:59:20,357 Thank you. [applause] 875 00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:26,263 The EPA ordered air monitors and a meteorological tower 876 00:59:26,263 --> 00:59:28,598 inside the plant. 877 00:59:28,598 --> 00:59:30,300 We were thrilled when we heard that. 878 00:59:31,668 --> 00:59:36,907 Somewhere during the consent negotiations, that disappeared. 879 00:59:38,074 --> 00:59:43,914 That's the only hope that we had was getting these air monitors, 880 00:59:43,914 --> 00:59:47,751 having the plant pay for them as they should, put them near 881 00:59:47,751 --> 00:59:51,922 the fence so we could have some real data. 882 00:59:54,091 --> 00:59:57,394 You know, it's like you don't believe us. 883 00:59:57,394 --> 01:00:00,730 Go down to South 4th street. There are five houses, 884 01:00:00,730 --> 01:00:05,702 and one house has residents. The other four houses are empty. 885 01:00:05,702 --> 01:00:08,238 What does this tell you? What do we have to do? 886 01:00:08,238 --> 01:00:09,873 Do we have to come up here and drop dead 887 01:00:09,873 --> 01:00:11,508 while we're talking to you? 888 01:00:11,508 --> 01:00:12,876 - Thirty seconds. 889 01:00:12,876 --> 01:00:16,580 - You are our only hope, but nothing is being done, 890 01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:17,814 nothing is changing. 891 01:00:17,814 --> 01:00:19,149 - Your time is up. 892 01:00:19,149 --> 01:00:24,087 In this consent agreement, you're permitting 20 tons 893 01:00:24,087 --> 01:00:29,025 an hour of railroad ties to be burned. 894 01:00:29,025 --> 01:00:34,331 That's about 480 tons a day. 895 01:00:34,331 --> 01:00:42,506 So that means the Warden Plant downtown can burn 19 truckloads 896 01:00:42,506 --> 01:00:46,142 of railroad ties every day. 897 01:00:47,777 --> 01:00:50,180 Are you kidding me?! 898 01:00:55,018 --> 01:01:00,323 You guys negotiated that for us, the community? 899 01:01:00,323 --> 01:01:05,061 You negotiated with the Warden Plant with us in mind? 900 01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:09,032 Let's talk about the tires. 901 01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:12,602 All right, four ton an hour. 902 01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:16,673 That's 8,000 pounds of tires to be thrown 903 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,510 in the hopper every hour. 904 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:23,880 I did the math, simple math. 905 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,584 A tire weighs about 20 pounds. 906 01:01:27,584 --> 01:01:33,023 Divide that up in the course of a day, and you've permitted 907 01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:39,196 the Warden Plant to burn close to 10,000 tires a day. 908 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:40,997 Are you kidding me? 909 01:01:40,997 --> 01:01:42,566 - 30 seconds. 910 01:01:42,566 --> 01:01:45,869 - Yeah, well, we'll make it quick. 911 01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:48,872 This is an incinerator! [applause] 912 01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:50,640 It's terrible. 913 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,244 You've got to throw out that paper altogether and start all 914 01:01:54,244 --> 01:01:58,048 over, and make it known as an incinerator. 915 01:01:58,048 --> 01:01:59,883 I mean, we're not going to stand for it. 916 01:01:59,883 --> 01:02:03,320 This community, we've decided, you can go back 917 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,089 to your office tomorrow, tell your people 918 01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:08,325 the people in L'Anse are not buying this. 919 01:02:08,325 --> 01:02:12,095 [applause, boisterous cheers] 920 01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:19,502 [accordion waltz] 921 01:02:37,721 --> 01:02:41,157 ADAM: One of the really exciting things about this campaign is 922 01:02:41,157 --> 01:02:45,462 that there is a growing international coalition of 923 01:02:45,462 --> 01:02:47,530 organizations who are working very closely 924 01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,633 together on this issue. 925 01:02:51,401 --> 01:02:54,104 - I think it's absolutely crucial that organizations like 926 01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:58,675 Dogwood Alliance, the NRDC, people from organizations that 927 01:02:58,675 --> 01:03:02,612 see what the impacts on the ground are, and see what are the 928 01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:06,049 influences of European policies, come over here to the European 929 01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:08,184 decision makers to tell that. 930 01:03:08,318 --> 01:03:11,354 I'm Danna. I'm executive director at Dogwood Alliance. 931 01:03:11,354 --> 01:03:15,025 I think it's really important for everyone in Europe 932 01:03:15,025 --> 01:03:18,828 who's looking at this issue to understand the context 933 01:03:18,828 --> 01:03:22,198 in which the biomass market and the wood pellet 934 01:03:22,198 --> 01:03:24,701 export market is happening. 935 01:03:24,701 --> 01:03:27,671 So part of where we are right now is that we don't see 936 01:03:27,671 --> 01:03:30,640 the problem in Europe, because the solution came from 937 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,841 imports from the U.S. 938 01:03:31,841 --> 01:03:33,610 We now have a traffic jam of boats 939 01:03:33,610 --> 01:03:35,645 on the North Sea coming here. 940 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:39,616 And a little anecdote: In 2007, we made a McKinsie study 941 01:03:39,616 --> 01:03:42,819 showing that the shortage of wood would be enormous. 942 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:46,322 At the very last meeting, we were drinking a beer, finalizing 943 01:03:46,322 --> 01:03:49,426 the study and someone said, "Let's get it from the U.S." 944 01:03:49,426 --> 01:03:50,860 The entire team of consultants said, 945 01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:52,962 "No, that would be stupid." 946 01:03:53,797 --> 01:03:57,000 - Since we will be discussing now the policies in place until 947 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,304 2030, it becomes very important that we have the criteria right, 948 01:04:01,304 --> 01:04:03,039 that we have the accounting right. 949 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:04,607 So the discussions that are coming up 950 01:04:04,607 --> 01:04:06,643 is really crucial at the moment. 951 01:04:06,643 --> 01:04:08,878 I think the political fight is going to be that everyone 952 01:04:08,878 --> 01:04:12,749 will acknowledge that no, of course, burning a tree is 953 01:04:12,749 --> 01:04:16,486 a stupid thing to do, but we are not doing that. 954 01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:18,288 They will all play the game to say, 955 01:04:18,288 --> 01:04:20,790 "No, we are only using waste flows." 956 01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,492 Well, it's going to be very important that we are 957 01:04:22,492 --> 01:04:24,194 getting this proof on the table. 958 01:04:24,194 --> 01:04:27,931 To show really, "Guys, what we are doing here is not burning 959 01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:31,668 waste flows. We are just burning roundwood and trees here." 960 01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:37,240 Today we are delivering the voices of 961 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,344 over 100,000 U. S. citizens. 962 01:04:41,344 --> 01:04:45,615 And the message is very simple: Burning trees to produce 963 01:04:45,615 --> 01:04:49,085 electricity is bad for ecosystems, it's bad 964 01:04:49,085 --> 01:04:52,088 for climate, and it's bad for communities. 965 01:05:00,363 --> 01:05:03,933 [Baroque music] 966 01:05:27,857 --> 01:05:29,592 DANNA: That was fun. [chuckles] 967 01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:31,761 DUNCAN: We were meeting officials at the 968 01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:33,463 Department of Energy and Climate Change. 969 01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:35,832 We were talking to bureaucrats, I felt. 970 01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:40,570 And the problem is that doing away with biomass electricity 971 01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:44,641 is very, very problematic for them, and we were sympathetic. 972 01:05:44,641 --> 01:05:48,244 This government, no fault of these guys, is doing all sorts 973 01:05:48,244 --> 01:05:52,682 of absurd things like cutting genuine low-cost, low-carbon 974 01:05:52,682 --> 01:05:57,253 renewables like wind, onshore wind and solar, and so biomass 975 01:05:57,253 --> 01:06:01,291 is ending up being funded at the expense, not of fossil fuels 976 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:04,027 but of genuine solutions. 977 01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:07,096 So it felt slightly like talking to a sponge. 978 01:06:08,264 --> 01:06:10,300 BILL: To me one of the most stunning things was, here 979 01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:16,239 we have a policy that declares something to be zero emissions, 980 01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:18,741 when, in fact, it's not zero. 981 01:06:18,741 --> 01:06:22,345 And so I pointed out several reasons why that was the case. 982 01:06:22,345 --> 01:06:25,114 And finally the lawyer said, "Well, you don't understand. 983 01:06:25,114 --> 01:06:29,619 If we don't count this as zero, we cannot meet our 984 01:06:29,619 --> 01:06:32,822 obligation to the European Union." 985 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:36,893 Which, I almost fell off my chair when I heard that. 986 01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:39,863 The amount of biomass that's being burnt for making 987 01:06:39,863 --> 01:06:43,166 electricity in the UK is exponentially increasing. 988 01:06:43,166 --> 01:06:45,101 It's doubling every year at the moment. 989 01:06:45,101 --> 01:06:47,370 - There is an alternative to Drax. 990 01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:50,373 There is an alternative to filthy energy, 991 01:06:50,373 --> 01:06:52,942 to dirty, destructive energy. 992 01:06:52,942 --> 01:06:55,812 We can power the UK renewably. 993 01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:59,215 ♪ You make subsidies that keep you alive ♪ 994 01:06:59,215 --> 01:07:03,152 ♪ while sun and wind and water have to struggle and strive ♪ 995 01:07:03,152 --> 01:07:07,824 ♪ So hit the road Drax and don't you come back no more ♪ 996 01:07:07,824 --> 01:07:10,727 ♪ no more, no more, no more ♪ 997 01:07:10,727 --> 01:07:15,732 ♪ Hit the road Drax and don't you come back no more ♪ 998 01:07:17,734 --> 01:07:20,770 [upbeat music] 999 01:07:22,305 --> 01:07:27,277 As we stand here, corporate biomass CEOs and profiteers 1000 01:07:27,277 --> 01:07:30,880 are wining and dining each other, and patting themselves 1001 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,783 on the back for figuring out a way to profit off of 1002 01:07:33,783 --> 01:07:36,519 the destruction of southeastern forests. 1003 01:07:54,404 --> 01:07:55,872 Biomass has got to go 1004 01:07:55,872 --> 01:07:59,909 Hey, hey, ho, ho Biomass has got to go 1005 01:07:59,909 --> 01:08:02,078 Hey, hey, ho, ho... 1006 01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:09,786 [same chant continues, echoing through the building] 1007 01:08:09,786 --> 01:08:11,854 What do we want? Climate justice. 1008 01:08:11,854 --> 01:08:13,790 When do we want it? Now. 1009 01:08:14,824 --> 01:08:17,527 [cheers] 1010 01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:29,739 [turbine blades slice the air] 1011 01:08:29,739 --> 01:08:33,710 If fossil fuels continue to increase, and we say goodbye to 1012 01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:36,346 the two degrees and go on to three degrees, four degrees, 1013 01:08:36,346 --> 01:08:40,116 five, then it really almost doesn't matter what you do 1014 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:44,020 with forests or anything else, I think. 1015 01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:46,022 We're cooked. 1016 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,663 I'm making the case that you can use forests to keep the CO2 1017 01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:58,234 concentration from going up as you phase out fossil fuels. 1018 01:08:58,234 --> 01:09:01,704 We can stop deforestation, which is now accounting 1019 01:09:01,704 --> 01:09:03,206 for some emissions. 1020 01:09:03,206 --> 01:09:07,176 We could let young forests grow back, just leave them alone, 1021 01:09:07,176 --> 01:09:09,846 let them store carbon as they age. 1022 01:09:09,846 --> 01:09:12,882 And then we can even establish forests 1023 01:09:12,882 --> 01:09:17,387 on areas that used to be forested and that are not now. 1024 01:09:17,387 --> 01:09:24,260 Those three things together are big enough to offset the carbon 1025 01:09:24,260 --> 01:09:27,764 that would be emitted from fossil fuels as we phase 1026 01:09:27,764 --> 01:09:31,000 them out, as we went to a renewable future. 1027 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,440 They give you a bridge to get from today, 10 billion tons 1028 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,611 of carbon emitted a year, to zero from fossil fuels. 1029 01:09:41,611 --> 01:09:43,713 A few decades. Has to happen. 1030 01:09:50,086 --> 01:09:54,757 DUNCAN: The thing about bioenergy is that if we give it 1031 01:09:54,757 --> 01:09:58,528 the green light, it will take over the world. 1032 01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:01,264 Because there simply isn't enough biomass 1033 01:10:01,264 --> 01:10:04,033 to remotely replace the free gift 1034 01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:07,236 of fossil energy that we've had over the last century. 1035 01:10:07,236 --> 01:10:09,238 And we will kill ourselves in trying. 1036 01:10:09,238 --> 01:10:11,641 We will stamp on the biosphere. 1037 01:10:12,742 --> 01:10:15,778 JAMIE: When I look at a huge biomass plant, I don't just see 1038 01:10:15,778 --> 01:10:19,615 that this is a business that generates energy by burning 1039 01:10:19,615 --> 01:10:24,454 trees; I see this as a cultural phenomenon that affects 1040 01:10:24,454 --> 01:10:26,489 every aspect of our life. 1041 01:10:28,124 --> 01:10:32,929 And it has implications for how we, as a species, 1042 01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:35,598 relate to the land itself. 1043 01:10:36,666 --> 01:10:41,370 This is what we're up against is that our economic system values 1044 01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:45,374 forest destruction over forest protection, and at the 1045 01:10:45,374 --> 01:10:47,844 end of the day that's what we have to change. 1046 01:10:48,845 --> 01:10:52,081 It boils down to money. They're making money. 1047 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:58,020 Somebody's making money on that deal, so you know, when it gets 1048 01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:04,160 to that bottom line, the land is always the one that suffers. 1049 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,428 It's always that way. 1050 01:11:05,428 --> 01:11:08,531 And certainly the public should not be subsidizing actually 1051 01:11:08,531 --> 01:11:12,301 putting more carbon into the atmosphere in the name of 1052 01:11:12,301 --> 01:11:16,706 addressing climate change; and when those subsidies go away, 1053 01:11:16,706 --> 01:11:20,610 which I think they will, this industry is going to go away 1054 01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:23,813 as fast as it appeared in the U.S. 1055 01:11:23,813 --> 01:11:27,683 And we have to be actively reducing carbon dioxide, 1056 01:11:27,683 --> 01:11:29,752 not even just holding it constant. 1057 01:11:30,953 --> 01:11:33,422 The best technology for that is trees! 1058 01:11:34,757 --> 01:11:37,660 It seems to me like climate change is a kind of 1059 01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:41,564 final exam for our species. 1060 01:11:41,564 --> 01:11:47,103 We'll find out if the big brain was in fact a good idea or not. 1061 01:11:47,103 --> 01:11:50,139 Maybe if it's connected to a big enough heart 1062 01:11:50,139 --> 01:11:53,109 to make a difference. 1063 01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:57,914 And I just refuse to believe that this interesting creature 1064 01:11:57,914 --> 01:12:03,719 that we are can't come to grips with this and do something. 1065 01:12:03,719 --> 01:12:06,756 We've been given ample warning by 1066 01:12:06,756 --> 01:12:08,758 the world's scientists. 1067 01:12:10,126 --> 01:12:12,595 Now the question is whether we'll heed it or not. 1068 01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:20,636 [bluegrass]92067

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