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I have a cat named Callie, but she's not
really a social cat.
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Oh, OK. OK, we're going to back up.
We're going to back up. I took her to
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vet.
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They don't know why Callie is so
anxious.
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I really need help to fix Callie's
aggression issues.
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I had a cat before that I was in a
similar situation, and she would attack
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So I had to put her down.
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So now I'm at that point with Callie.
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But I don't want to give her up.
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Curtis Jr., he's a holy terror.
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He eats everything, even my couch.
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It's a couch from hell, like my cat from
hell. And I'd like to get a new couch,
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but I think I need to declaw him to do
it. I'm at my wit's end. I don't know
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what to do about him. He's out of
control. If Jackson doesn't help me, I
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going to get him declawed. No, no, I
never want to hear you talking about
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declawing, ever.
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I'm Jack from Galaxy.
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Oh, my God, I love my job.
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The animal behavior that guardians call
when they're dealing with a difficult
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cat.
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That really ups the stakes a little bit
here.
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I'm out to prove that there is no such
thing as a bad cat.
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Just a cat that needs my help. Thank
you.
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I'm Tara, and I have a two -year -old
calico mix named Callie.
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I found Callie in my backyard.
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Her eyes weren't even open yet, and I
decided to take her in and keep her
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Did you miss me? For the first year, it
was just me and Callie, and then it
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wasn't until about a year that I started
having, like, people from school come
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over. Having friends over for the night.
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Good night.
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And that's when she kind of took a turn.
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And I realized that she wasn't really a
social cat.
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The first time I had a friend come over,
Callie totally lost it.
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I'd never seen her filled with anxiety
or scared like that.
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I took her to the vet.
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They don't know why Callie is so
anxious.
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I really need help to fix Callie's
aggression issues.
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Because I can't physically, mentally,
emotionally just give up on her.
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It can't happen.
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I'm on my way to meet Tara, a young
woman who's living alone with her cat
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Callie. One of the reasons she's living
alone is because Callie is so incredibly
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aggressive with anyone who's not Tara
that she's afraid to have visitors over
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all. So I'm going to get over there
right now with the hopes that I can help
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Callie and Tara get a fresh start.
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Hey. Hi, how are you?
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So, tell me what's going on with Callie.
Her mom...
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Left her to die. She had another
respiratory infection, so I took her in
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bottle fed her.
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Oh. I couldn't just leave her out there.
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So what happened? I was a full -time
student.
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I didn't really have any friends because
I had just moved to California.
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So it was just me and her always, did
you miss me? So then I started making
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friends, but she would not have it.
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She was so territorial of me, of my
apartment, of everything.
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The first person I had over, she just
attacked.
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Oh my gosh.
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Kittens go through what's called the
sensitive phase of social development,
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learning much of what will inform their
life with humans by the time they're
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only nine weeks old.
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Callie's only human interaction during
that time was with Tara, and that
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extended for the first year of her life.
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So now, as an adult cat, the only human
that Callie will trust is Tara.
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What was the damage that Callie did to
the person?
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She bit your blood.
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No! Oh, God.
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She goes to pet, and she's like... Hell
no. To the point where she's being so
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aggressive that she won't let anyone
walk by.
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Because at that point, when she's
activated like that, you can't touch her
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either. Yeah, I can't calm her down.
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It's okay.
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It's just me. I even feel my energy. I'm
afraid of her at that point.
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It's just me, Cal.
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Is there any human being she's cool with
besides you? No.
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Nobody.
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My one girlfriend, Erin, would watch
Callie, and Callie hasn't budged.
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Your cat does not like me.
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Can you try to pet her? No. I'm scared.
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So she hasn't warmed up to one human
being beside you.
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You know, normally, if somebody has an
antisocial cat and company comes over, I
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might make the suggestion to just lock
the cat up in your bedroom while company
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comes over. But in this case, Callie
needs help. She is completely
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and it makes no sense just to put a Band
-Aid on the situation.
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What are you left with at this point?
What are you going to do?
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Well, that's the point where I'm stuck
at because I had a cat before that I was
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in a similar situation, and she would
attack me. So I had to put her up for
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adoption, and she wasn't adoptable, and
they had to put her down.
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Her name was Moosh, and I absolutely
loved her. She was the sweetest thing,
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giving her up was so hard.
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How did you find out that she didn't get
adopted?
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They called me. They called you and told
you that they were going to put her to
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sleep? They said that either they were
going to put her down or I had to take
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her back. And I couldn't do it because I
was so stressed out about it.
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So now I'm at that point with Callie,
but I don't want to give her up.
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Wow.
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And that's why I reached out to you.
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Moosh was very friendly to everyone, but
then she would just kind of nap.
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And I just saw a flashback of Moosh with
Allie.
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Wow.
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I called my vet behavioralist that I
worked with before, and she was like, oh
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gosh, another one. One of the reasons
that Tara's getting so hyper -emotional
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because she's already had to euthanize
Moosh because of aggression problems,
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she's afraid that it's going to play out
all over again.
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Just so you know, it would never be my
MO. We're going to make it work, one way
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or another.
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And as long as you're committed to her,
I'm committed to you.
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I am.
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Well, I've heard a pretty harrowing
story about who Callie is, but I haven't
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her myself.
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Apparently, she's in the laundry room,
so that's where I'm headed.
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Where do we have a cat?
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Do I hear you, Callie?
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Oh, I do hear you.
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Oh, I see you, baby.
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Hi,
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Kelly.
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I am seeing some unusual behavior from
Kelly.
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Come on, Kelly.
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Normally, if she were to trap herself
under that shelf, she would be frozen
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fear. She's not.
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She's giving me signals saying, hey,
buddy, get away from me. She's present.
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I don't necessarily like the fact that
you're hidden like that.
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If I just put my hand here, there's our
challenge line.
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Right there.
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Come on, sweetheart.
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Can you say hi?
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Come on.
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Even though I'm getting attacked,
Callie's giving me warnings. Her lashing
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graduates first from a tap to a punch,
then the claws come out and it's a
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strike. There's a logic to it. So this
tells me that it's most likely not a
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chemical issue.
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Everything I pictured going wrong is now
going wrong.
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It's okay.
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And I can't do anything to help it. It's
okay.
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I just don't want him to pack up his
stuff and leave.
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Okay.
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You're not kidding around, man.
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I'm working with Guardian Tara's cat,
Callie, testing her challenge line and
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getting my knuckles bloodied in the
process. My goal was to test Callie's
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levels to see if her responses were
appropriate and if there was a point
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her aggression subsided.
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They didn't. You got every knuckle, too.
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But I got some good information.
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All right, honey, you stay right there
as if you're going to go anywhere.
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Well.
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Sorry.
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Yeah. Yeah. It was not an altogether
pleasant get -together. Oh, my gosh.
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It's okay. Let's sit down. Let's talk.
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There's actually a couple of problems
here. Number one is Callie's
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problem. She's almost, in certain ways,
feral. So here's my goal, is being able
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to have people come over with her being
present and not being completely freaked
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out. I want you to start getting into
ritual.
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Mealtime. Right? It's a big event.
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You get to feed her meals. She's hungry.
She eats. It's over. You pick up the
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dish. Before you do that, have a play
session with her. Playing with Callie
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help drain all of that energy out of her
system. That'll make it a lot less
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likely that she will attack Tara's
friends.
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What's going on with you?
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No, I'm just, I'm seeing it. This is an
emotional day.
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Because of the failure or because of the
possibility?
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Everything. Just a long day.
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For me and for her.
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My assessment of Tara is that she's
actually a really compassionate,
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person. Because of that, her tragic
experience with Moosh is traumatic to
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an extent she hasn't even dealt with
yet. It's my guess that she kept Callie
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sheltered away from other people, not
only because she was new in town, but
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because she was so desperately afraid to
see Callie fail with strangers the same
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way that Moosh did towards the end.
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Unfortunately, by overprotecting Callie,
she didn't do her cat any favors, just
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the opposite.
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Your energy helps dictate how she is. If
the two of you start this sort of death
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dance of anxiety, you know where it's
going to end. It's going to end badly.
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I get back here next time and Tara
hasn't learned how to regulate her own
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emotional state and be her cat's social
bridge, I don't even know where we'd go
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from here. This is a real make or break
moment for both Tara and Callie.
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Hi, my name is Kurt, and I have one cat,
and it's Curtis Jr.
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He's adorable and everything, but he's a
holy terror.
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Curtis Jr.
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destroys everything.
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Magazines, toilet paper, paper towel,
cell phone, headphone cords. I can't
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any food out because he comes in price
to eat it.
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Curtis Jr. eating my lunch thing.
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Best way to describe me, kind of like
one -third dog, one -third cat, and one
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-third rat.
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He eats everything, and even my cup.
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Crazy.
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Why do you do that?
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So I'm real social, and I would love to
have people over, but I'm really
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embarrassed about this couch. It's a
couch from hell, like my cat from hell,
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I'd like to get a new couch, but I think
I need to declaw him to do it. I'm at
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my wit's end. I don't know what to do
about him. He's out of control. I love
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Curtis Jr. so much, but I'm sick of my
cat's claws ruining my life. If Jackson
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doesn't help me, I am going to get him
declawed.
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Hey. Hey, man. I'm Jackson. I'm Kurt.
Nice to meet you.
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So, I assume you've got a cat. Yes.
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It's Curtis Jr.
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All these years, I've never had someone
name their cat after that.
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Okay, so, Curtis Jr.
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He's destroying everything.
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Toilet paper, paper towels, magazines,
boxes, any type of...
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paper anything he attacked he chews it
up and spits it out i was raised with
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cats and dogs and i've never had them
like attack paper towels and toilet
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and stuff like that i've never you are
lucky like if i have food on the counter
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he'll run up and start eating the food
what i'm hearing is the most ordinary
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stuff this guy tells me he grew up with
cats I want to know what kind of cats he
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grew up with. He destroyed my couch.
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Yeah. Even though I have a scratching
post for him. I'm not sure that we have
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cat from hell, but I'm pretty sure we
have a couch from hell. That thing's got
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to be gone, and I mean like yesterday.
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I want to get a new couch, but I don't
feel like I can get one. I don't want to
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declaw him.
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Oh, that takes us in a totally different
direction.
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Because if you're going there, that
means you're already sort of at the end
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your rope. Yeah.
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You're my last straw. That's why I have
you here.
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So if I didn't show up today... I'd
probably get him to quad, yeah.
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No, no, I never want to hear you talking
about decline.
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Ever. It's a pretty barbaric thing, and
something that, as far as I'm concerned,
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should be illegal.
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The couch ain't worth it.
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No, you got a cat who scratches.
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They all do. And they have to. It's an
absolute necessity.
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They have to exercise this part of their
chest. They have to rid themselves of
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the dead pieces of nail.
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It's the thing that makes them feel
secure about themselves. Ah, that's me.
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So I would have you start looking at
what you can do for him. Ask not what
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cat can do for you. Ask what you can do
for your cat. When you got him, did he
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have evidence of neglect?
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Yeah, he was kind of malnutritioned. He
was real thin. I think he's only
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comfortable around me.
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Anytime somebody comes over, he gets
very scared.
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He ran under the bed as soon as he
knocked on the door now.
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The one problem that Kurt's telling me
about that I can get behind is Curtis
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Jr.'s social anxiety.
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So I'd have to coax him out or lift the
bed to get him out.
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There's a bunch of crap under the bed.
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Oh.
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First of all, let's point out exactly
what makes you crazy. Okay. So look at
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this. Exhibit A.
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Look at this.
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What the hell am I supposed to do with
that?
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That's really annoying.
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Look, he's ruined the paper towel.
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And then, like, I have food. Like, one
time I had blueberries, and he gets up
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here and he knocked all the blueberries
all over.
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And then I had lunch meat up here, and I
went to the bathroom, and he had eaten
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all the lunch meat.
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And then he proceeded to puke it all up
on the floor. It was like, ugh, hot,
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gross.
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You have had cats, right? Yeah, I was
raised with cats. I can't believe that.
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can't bend an animal's characteristics
around our need to have blueberries
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sitting on a counter. You see this look
that I'm giving you right now? That's
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sort of incredulous.
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I mean, I can give you tools and stuff
like that.
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I don't know that that's enough.
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Are you trying to tell me that I'm not a
cat person and I shouldn't have a cat?
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Is that what you're saying?
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Yeah. Really?
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I was born and raised with cats and
dogs. Curtis, if you are to the point
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you're going to declaw your cat because
you've got a side of your couch,
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blueberries, paper towel, and some lunch
meat, then I'm having a hard time.
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And I kind of take offense to that
because I love animals.
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You can bet that I am not going to leave
here today without telling Curtis Sr.
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exactly what it means to declaw a cat.
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I guess because my parents always got
the cats declawed, so I'm not used to
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this. It's making sense.
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I mean, he had declawed cats, and that's
why he always had intact paper towels.
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There is no good enough reason to declaw
a cat, but the least of them are paper
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towels. Grab that scratching board for
me. Now, let's look at the differences
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here.
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You're laughing.
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Well, I guess it's pretty small and
rinky -dinky. Dainty is the word.
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When I do get, if I get a bigger one and
I put it by the couch, is that a good
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idea or no? It should always be
separate. Let me have you talk me
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Pros and cons.
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Why would you put it right here?
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Because, I don't know. We have to go to
the reason he's doing this, okay? Number
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one, it's sturdy, right? So when he goes
to grab, he's got that resistance,
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right? This little job.
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He goes to grab. Right. And you find it
like this. Yeah. He has actually knocked
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it over. Yeah, I'm sure. Right. Because
this is the road that good intentions
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are paved with. And I'm giving you props
for the good intentions.
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But the thing is that, yeah, he's got to
be able to do his thing. Right. And
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it's funny, actually, when you look at
this.
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I don't even see. Oh, there we go. Yeah.
We have one scratch. Right. We have a
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scratch. But that's one.
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So two things I would tell you to do
right off the bat.
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Number one, we've got to get him
something that when he pulls on it.
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It gives him that resistance. Otherwise,
he's going to always go back to this
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thing. Secondly, it is about placement,
right?
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Because let me tell you why.
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In the world of cat, nothing is more
important than that ownership, than that
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cat mojo, that thing that I smell me and
I'm just like, you know what I mean?
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This and this, and especially in a space
like this, are the prime areas
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where you...
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Spend your time. So your scent is
incredibly strong in these two places,
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So he wants to sort of complement that
scent and guard the most important
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this being the big thing. I didn't know
that. That's why this is the only
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scratched up place.
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That's the outside world. You're coming
in here, and you best know Curtis Jr.
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lives right here. It's like that little
sign that you hang out, that little
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wooden plaque that said Curtis Jr.,
right?
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Right here. And then he's guarding this.
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The idea of having that scratching post
right here so that we have a way of
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saying to him, this is the right path.
This is the place for you to go. So that
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will encourage him just to do the
scratching post and not the couch?
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Exactly. Exactly.
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He's not doing this to piss you off.
Okay.
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Let's start there.
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Let's start at the place that he's not
trying to get under your skin. He's
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trying to get his job done. Okay. And
the job is remove the dead sheaves of
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without removing the nails.
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The job is to exercise, and the job is
to leave that mark, right?
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And he's doing a damn good job of it.
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And with this here, and the other
advantage that you have here is you take
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Okay. All right. Now, if it was as tall,
and you could put it right under the
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couch like this, he yanks. It's not
going anywhere. Okay.
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Guarantee.
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And he won't touch the couch. He'll just
do the scratching post.
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I can't guarantee that. I would love to
spend some time with Kay Jr.
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here. You said he's under the bed? Yeah.
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Let's see where he's at.
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Curtis, holy cow. I know, right?
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I am so scared to look under this bed.
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Here we go. I am pulling out bins and
all kinds of nasty.
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Kay Jr.
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And none of those things contain a cat.
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Don't judge me with what you see under
the bed, all right?
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Curtis Sr. needs to block the unders so
that Curtis Jr.
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can't hide under this gnarly bed.
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I don't see him. There's one other
hiding spot. Let me check.
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Here he is.
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Oh, for God's sake.
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I just inhaled a year off my life, and
he's not under the bed.
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Hi.
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Well, there's Curtis Jr.
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Hello, my little man.
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Curtis Jr. is sweet, he's cute, and he's
not completely terrified.
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It makes me think that his social
anxiety is something we can work with
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there's something about him that's
saying, I'm scared, I'm not petrified.
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I am adoring your cat right now.
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Jackson kind of reassured me that my cat
isn't as emotionally unstable as I
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thought he was, so I'm really glad to
hear that.
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Back in the kitchen.
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I think I insulted you.
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I know you've got a good heart when it
comes to your cat. I know you do. I can
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tell. All of today's strangeness here
aside, we have got to find a way to give
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Curtis Jr. a bigger, less fearful life,
and we've got to find a way to get
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Curtis Sr.
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on board with being a more giving
guardian who's not afraid to compromise
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his cat.
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So, homework.
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Okay. For Kurt and Kurt Jr., the first
thing, environmental enrichment.
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This is a small place.
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Right. You've got to put yourself in his
paws for a second. If I were him, what
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would I want?
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Curtis' senior studio apartment is big
enough for Curtis, his cat, and not much
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else. Now, cats can be perfectly happy
in small spaces, but it's not about the
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space. It's what you do with it. You
better catify that space if you want
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cat to thrive.
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First thing, no living being should be
under this.
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Okay. Nobody.
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So I'd like you to block off the under.
Okay. I also want you to get a
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scratching post. He needs something that
is bigger.
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You want him to be able to reach all the
way up.
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Okay. Grab and pull down.
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Also, think up here.
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Okay? It could be as simple as a $5
shelf that you put up. Now, he can jump
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here to here. From here into that window
sill. I want him to be able to look out
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the window.
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I want to get into routine.
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If you get up in the morning and you
invest literally 10 minutes in playing
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him, you won't be doing that stuff.
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Cats just need routine in a big, bad
way. Now, here's an expectation I have
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you.
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I want you to get a new couch.
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I want you to trust your cat. Get the
new scratcher and you just take double
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-sided sticky tape just for the first
week or so on your new couch. You're
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to touch it. You're going to go, oh,
that's gross.
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Oh, I have a scratching pose. Okay. He
will go for it. I'm going to do
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everything that Jackson suggested, but I
am still freaking out about if I get a
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new pouch or not, and he'll scratch it.
But I'm going to try it out, so
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hopefully it'll be good. You've been
talking about declawing your cat if he
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doesn't shape up, and it alarms me. When
you declaw a cat, see how we have claw?
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Mm -hmm. And then we have this first
digit here, right there? Okay, right
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Yeah. The whole bone. What?
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At the first digit.
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Cut. It is an amputation of every digit
on his little paws.
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I didn't know that. That's crazy.
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I'm going to tell you.
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It's a barbaric surgery.
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I had no idea. I feel like I'm a
terrible pet owner, even considering
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cat declawed.
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I'm going to take my leave of the two of
you. I'll be back in a few weeks.
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All right. Say bye.
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Bye. Big Kurt, he's just got to realize
that the life he's giving for his cat is
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not enough to have expectations that he
won't tear up toilet paper, paper towel,
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knock blueberries off the counter, and
eat his lunch meat. And if I come back
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next time and he hasn't done anything, I
expect we're going to have an entirely
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different conversation, one that
involves him not having cats.
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So I'm here for my second visit with
Tara and her cat, Callie. Now, the last
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time I was here, Tara was in tears.
Callie made me bleed.
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Okay.
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Tara is caught in a self -perpetuating
cycle where her guilt over having to
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euthanize the previous cat, Moose, is
causing her to be overprotective of
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Callie, who's completely antisocial.
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I have got to help Tara break out of her
PTSD so she can help Callie break out
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of her small, scared world.
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Hey. Hello. How are you? Welcome back.
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Oh, hi, Callie. Sitting on the counter.
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Yes. I'll take that as not the worst
sign in the world.
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So I'm trying to stay positive, but not
too positive.
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Yeah. I honestly didn't think Jackson
was going to come back.
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I thought Callie was a lost cause.
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Let's get right to it. I want to start
looking at your homework.
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So Erin just got here, and we're going
to have her feed Callie. That's Erin.
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She's avoiding eye contact with her.
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Erin's walking like Walking Dead, right?
She's like doing the zombie walk.
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She's kind of fun, but she's still
growling, so it's kind of scaring me.
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And that's Erin playing with her.
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No, no, don't growl. I'm sorry.
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No. Oh, God.
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Erin is quite a fraidy cat. Yeah.
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That's my friend Becky.
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Becky? Yes.
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Becky's in the bathroom right now. I'm
going to remove Callie from the
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situation.
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Why? I know Becky was freaking out. Oh,
that's the key here. Bad energy
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everywhere. Great.
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Good girl. Yeah, good girl.
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Just to give you a little bit of cat
body language 101, tail, right?
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Her tail's straight up in the air. It's
got that confident little flagger to it.
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So even though she's clearly not
thrilled, she's also not in full feral
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That's Erin. What is she doing? She
wants to close the blinds and she's
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to walk past.
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Callie's under the table now.
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Please don't scratch me.
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Oh. Wow. She like totally scratched her.
Oh.
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I got to be honest, I would expect that.
Yeah. Because Erin is way too afraid. I
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know. Nobody trusts Callie.
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No! Everyone is expecting catastrophic
results.
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So you're almost predicting that those
results are going to happen. Now we've
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got to think about what's next. The fact
that she's out gives me some ideas
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about what I want to do with her.
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It's vital that I show Tara what it's
like to just walk into a situation and
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care about the outcome.
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Because I have to show Tara that Callie
is capable of changing so that Tara
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doesn't give up on her altogether.
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What is that?
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I'm just expecting a scratch and a
negative reaction.
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Jackson is my last hope.
451
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,980
I have no other options after this.
452
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:53,280
She's rubbing up against me.
453
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,900
Good girl, Cal.
454
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:57,360
Breathe, Tara.
455
00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:59,620
That was cool.
456
00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:01,120
She brushed on you?
457
00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:02,460
Yeah, I got the rub.
458
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,880
Good girl. Good girl, Callie. Now I've
got Callie coming up and rubbing against
459
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,160
me. That's saying you're my friend.
460
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Compadres.
461
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:17,110
Good girl. Good girl, Callie. The reason
why Callie doesn't lash out at me right
462
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:18,550
now is because I'm calm.
463
00:26:18,790 --> 00:26:22,590
If I'm calm, she's calm. If I trust her,
she trusts me. I need to show Tara that
464
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:25,850
strangers coming into the house can have
success with Callie as long as they
465
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:26,850
demonstrate trust.
466
00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:28,070
You know,
467
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:32,570
the bottom line is I've gotten about as
far with Callie as I can get today, and
468
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:33,890
I'm kind of happy about it.
469
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:37,050
But I'm not happy with what I'm getting
from Tara, and I've got to sit and talk
470
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:37,949
with her for a minute.
471
00:26:37,950 --> 00:26:42,430
What happened to Moosh was a fate that
many cats have gone through over the
472
00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:46,970
years, too many to even count. I want
you to walk me through Moosh.
473
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:52,870
As she started getting older, she would
just get this look over her face, and
474
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:56,350
that was her, I've locked it, I'm gone,
and I'm attacking.
475
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:58,050
Oh, that sucks.
476
00:26:58,510 --> 00:27:03,090
So then you called the behaviorist. She
gave me medication to give to the cat,
477
00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:05,210
and then Moosh started.
478
00:27:06,699 --> 00:27:09,340
resenting me and hating me and attacking
me more.
479
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:15,280
And we didn't have like an affection
relationship anymore because every time
480
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,180
would get her in that calm state, I
would shove a pill down her throat.
481
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,720
And I felt terrible.
482
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,640
So I didn't know what to do.
483
00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:27,400
And my behavioralist said, you know, the
only thing you can do is give her up
484
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,219
for adoption.
485
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:31,940
And then within 24 hours, they called me
and said that they weren't going to
486
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:34,260
adopt her out and they were going to put
her down or I could take her back.
487
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,480
And I said, well,
488
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,300
If I take her back, it's going to be the
same exact thing.
489
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:45,280
But I went in and said goodbye to her
and I held her.
490
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,960
I want to be clear.
491
00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:50,320
Killing cats for behavioral reasons is
completely unacceptable.
492
00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:55,880
What I witnessed... in shelters years
ago was so heartbreaking that it sent me
493
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,960
on this journey where my ultimate goal
is to entirely end the killing of cats
494
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,800
shelters. One of the main reasons that
I've dedicated myself to cats with
495
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,880
behavioral issues is so that they will
never, ever wind up in a situation like
496
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,519
Moosh did.
497
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,520
You were there.
498
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,440
Yeah, I was there like an hour before.
499
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,800
When I took her out of the crate before
they put her down, she was so
500
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,400
affectionate. Which of course makes it.
501
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,000
That much harder because in that moment,
she's all affectionate to you.
502
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:31,480
We all empathize with the cats who have
to be euthanized. Oftentimes, we don't
503
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,740
extend that empathy to the humans who
had to deal with that as well. I'm
504
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:41,120
of not giving Tara a fair shake the
first time I met her, and I feel
505
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120
about that.
506
00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:45,200
The hard part is I don't think you ever
forgave yourself.
507
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720
I didn't. I feel terrible.
508
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,100
I need you to forgive yourself.
509
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,760
I forgive you. It's more important for
you to forgive yourself and let yourself
510
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,659
off the hook.
511
00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:59,740
You can't bring judgment on someone like
Tara for what she had to go through and
512
00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:04,260
what the results were. She tried. And
that's more than I can say for thousands
513
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:09,060
of people that dumped their cats at the
shelter where I had to kill them.
514
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:12,820
Do you think that it's going to wind up
with the same outcome as Moosh?
515
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Not after today.
516
00:29:14,860 --> 00:29:16,580
There you go.
517
00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:20,780
But in order for you to be present with
this cat, I need you to get through your
518
00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:26,100
process. The reason I'm asking Tara to
forgive herself is because I know what
519
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:31,100
it's like not to forgive yourself, and I
know the liberation that comes from
520
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:37,040
forgiveness. So I saw last time I was
here that when Callie goes in that
521
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:40,700
that's her caving. When we say no to the
caves, we've got to say yes to
522
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:41,459
something else.
523
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:44,160
Yes to me is things that I call cocoons.
524
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,460
She's still part of the world.
525
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,340
But she can hide, and she can be at a
distance if she wants to. If she could
526
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:54,320
find a place to cocoon herself that was
in a social space like the couch with
527
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,940
company over, I mean, that would be a
major victory.
528
00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:02,540
The job is for Aaron and then for Becky
to continue to do things like feed.
529
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:04,740
You're great. It's okay. And play.
530
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Oh, God.
531
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:09,800
But learn how to do these things without
the zombie walk.
532
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,100
Oh.
533
00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:13,640
Now, the hard part. I want a stranger.
534
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,600
I want somebody who Callie's never met
before, and I want you to take them
535
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,360
through the steps. The steps are, first,
acclimating Callie to strangers in the
536
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,060
house, and then second, getting her to
interact with them through feeding and
537
00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:28,540
play. She's got to make sure that
anybody else that comes in reacts
538
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,760
expects the best.
539
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:33,020
Relationships are something that
everybody should have, and now Callie's
540
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:36,220
to have them as well. If Tara doesn't
embrace this homework, I'm afraid that
541
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:39,220
PTSD is going to continue to perpetuate
this cycle.
542
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:43,770
Worst case scenario is that Callie and
Tara will be cut off from the rest of
543
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:44,449
world forever.
544
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:46,170
And I am not ready to let that happen.
545
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:52,170
You're crazy, Curtis Jr. You're crazy.
546
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:01,270
So last time I was a little hard on
Curtis Sr. Whoa!
547
00:31:01,490 --> 00:31:02,490
Hey, man! How you doing?
548
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:06,110
But that's just because I want a better
life for Curtis Jr. I want to make sure
549
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:09,610
that he's got places to scratch, he's
got paws to scratch with, and he's not
550
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:10,610
hiding under the bed.
551
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:13,910
Whoa! Welcome to my cat palace. Bang!
552
00:31:14,190 --> 00:31:19,230
There we go. I'm so proud of you. Thank
you. That is amazing, man.
553
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:21,610
It's a totally different...
554
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,320
feeling here we're talking new couch
we're talking shelves now when i look
555
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,400
around this apartment i know a cat lives
here and it's not just because the
556
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,360
couch is shredded up but because there's
places to be you kept that couch for
557
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,220
way too long yeah yeah that couch was
from the 70s yes it was has he been
558
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:42,360
scratching on it he tried a little bit
right here right and then i put the tape
559
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360
on here and that's deterring him he'll
never go back to it he doesn't know the
560
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,900
difference between tape and no tape By
the way, he's got a nice little thing to
561
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:51,940
scratch on over there, right? And he
loves this. Does he? He loves hanging
562
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:55,200
in here. He plays with this. Yeah, he
loves it. He scratched inside here.
563
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,400
So he's been sitting in there.
564
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Yeah, he loves it. He loves it in here.
565
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,380
I want to go through your homework with
you.
566
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,440
It's pretty sturdy. I feel confident
putting my kitty on here.
567
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:08,300
Curtis!
568
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:10,300
Curtis, where are you?
569
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Oh, no.
570
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:13,700
Curtis!
571
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,060
He's pretty sturdy. I feel confident
putting my kitty on here.
572
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:33,460
Oh, no.
573
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,160
Here you go.
574
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,100
What's all going in there?
575
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,660
So here's the problem, man. First
impressions mean a lot, right? So him
576
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:51,060
up on here and immediately giving a
whoop, you can pretty much guarantee
577
00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:52,680
that point... That's toast.
578
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,740
This cat shelf in the front window, I
think it's great.
579
00:32:56,140 --> 00:33:00,440
On the other hand, putting your cat in
the window, turning his head to look
580
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,660
outside, and putting him up there when
it's not secure, all of those are big
581
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:07,760
no's. He is not going back to that space
ever again.
582
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,100
All right, moving on.
583
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,360
You like that, Virginia?
584
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:12,940
Is that your new cat tower so you can
see out the window?
585
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:14,640
Great stuff. You like that?
586
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:16,240
All right, on to the bed.
587
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,480
Good. So he's not allowed to get under
the bed. Yeah, he can't get under there.
588
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,460
All he's got to do is think like his
cat. Cat looks up in the air, put a
589
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:28,500
right there. He wants to get there, put
a shelf over there.
590
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,320
Watch your cat. That's all it takes. I
don't think I've ever said this phrase
591
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
before. I want to see your paper towels.
592
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,840
So I had the paper towels here. I'm
tearing them up. I have them up here
593
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:41,180
Brilliant!
594
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:42,420
Woo!
595
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:44,940
Oh, my God, my head's going to explode.
So simple.
596
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,780
Curtis Sr. now knows what to expect of a
cat. You leave food on the counter,
597
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,480
cat's going to eat it. You put paper
towel above where they can get it,
598
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,380
going to scratch it. Now he's moving his
food, he's moving his paper towel.
599
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Big round of applause for Curtis Sr.
600
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,220
All that with the paper towel and
everything, it was like, man. That was
601
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:03,360
ridiculous on my part.
602
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640
What was that? That was ridiculous on my
part. Yes, it was. Good.
603
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:08,920
Now that we have an understanding.
604
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Right now, Curtis Jr.
605
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,739
is hiding in the closet. I'd like to
push his challenge line just a little
606
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,580
So if you don't mind grabbing him. Last
time, Curtis Jr.
607
00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:21,219
didn't like being around people. I'm
hoping we laid the foundation, and I'm
608
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:24,400
hoping to show him how good the world
really is.
609
00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:25,659
Here's my boy.
610
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,179
Now, do I have a toy for you? What is
that?
611
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,320
What is that?
612
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,960
You see, he's looking at the toy. He's
going for the toy.
613
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
He's 100 % focused on the toy right now.
614
00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:40,290
And that makes me happy.
615
00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:44,370
Here's that moment I've been looking
for. A cat who, instead of running, just
616
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:45,328
says, you know what?
617
00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:48,810
Not so bad. I think I'll stick around
for a minute. This is a cat who is
618
00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:51,070
changing. And that's what I'm all about.
619
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:52,770
You've got a couch cat. Yeah.
620
00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:56,830
Before I met Jackson, I thought I was a
really good animal person. But I'm kind
621
00:34:56,830 --> 00:35:00,810
of embarrassed that I was just going to
get him declawed. I can just do these
622
00:35:00,810 --> 00:35:01,810
simple things.
623
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:04,030
I, unfortunately, have to leave.
624
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,410
Curtis Jr.? Curtis Sr.?
625
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,500
You know, sometimes from the inside
looking out, our situation can appear
626
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,960
hopeless. But from the outside looking
in, solutions can be surprisingly
627
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,620
As simple as moving your paper towel up
a few shelves.
628
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:28,360
I'll tell you what, some days I love my
job so much. I'm meeting up with
629
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,160
Samantha and her cat Packard. Now,
Packard's been through some serious
630
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,460
his life, but now he's paying it forward
by teaching other cats how to get
631
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:37,940
through hard times in their lives.
632
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Hi! Welcome!
633
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Come on in!
634
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,280
Look at what we got here!
635
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,020
That's Packard!
636
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,860
That's our cat from heaven!
637
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:49,880
I'm Samantha, and I'm Packard's
guardian.
638
00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:53,740
He's a special needs cat, and he really
helps me with my fosters.
639
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,580
I am so excited to see this boy. He's
amazing.
640
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,600
When I bring a cat in, he helps them
come out of their shell. He shows that
641
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,240
people are okay. That's amazing.
642
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,580
So he's, in effect, creating the same
kind of social bridge that a mother cat
643
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:08,660
would provide for her kittens.
644
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,620
Yes. Oh, my God, I love my job. So
Quigley is afraid of people, was.
645
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:18,440
afraid of people. But so when I brought
Quigley home, him seeing me here is not
646
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,720
super comforting to him. You know,
that's not going to help him. So I bring
647
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,560
I put him in the bathroom and his
carrier, I open it up and I let Packard
648
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,860
in there. And immediately he's welcomed
into this home by another cat.
649
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,820
And he was in the back of his carrier
shaking.
650
00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:36,460
Packard walked in and he walked straight
up to him and just started rubbing on
651
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:40,920
him. Packard is that bridge between
those cats that are fearful of people
652
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920
because
653
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,660
They've got him in this house.
654
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,100
I feel safe. There's someone that I like
that's on my side. And then he sees
655
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,098
Packard with me.
656
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:53,040
It helped me so much with my behavior
foster. Sometimes I don't have to do any
657
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,060
work. They're social bridges. You
demonstrate this behavior, and then a
658
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,500
go, oh, I can do that.
659
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,860
Building social bridges for these
kittens is just so important, not only
660
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,100
their well -being, but to make them more
adoptable cats.
661
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:11,690
The value that Packard is adding here,
acting as a surrogate mother to these
662
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:15,210
cats, is really immeasurable. A kitten
who's afraid of humans, who hasn't been
663
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:19,110
socialized, that's a hard cat to adopt.
But a kitten that's comfortable around
664
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:23,550
people, who's been properly socialized
via a cat like Packard, that's an
665
00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:24,550
adoptable cat.
666
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:26,330
There's the grooming.
667
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:28,350
Packard grooming them.
668
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:32,510
Grooming them like a mom would groom
their young. It's remarkable. It really
669
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:36,390
Since Packard has been a part of our
family, I've had 13 fosters.
670
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,730
Because Packard is helping me.
671
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:42,910
I'm getting them in and out and into
home faster with him.
672
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:44,730
Tell me the story of Packard.
673
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:48,910
Packard was always quiet in the litter,
not moving much.
674
00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:52,430
And all of a sudden we noticed a huge
lump on the front of his head. It was a
675
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:54,350
bacterial infection eating away the
skull.
676
00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:59,400
My vet had a specialist come in, and
that guy went into Packard's nasal
677
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,800
cavities, and he said it was black mush
in there.
678
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,080
Scraped it all out. And he lived through
that. And he lived, but he became deaf,
679
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:08,940
brain damaged, and he has the head tilt.
680
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,620
Packard is a rare cat.
681
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,700
He shouldn't have made it through his
first couple of days.
682
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:18,200
And out here is a kitten raised without
a mom who grooms kittens like a mom.
683
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:20,740
It's like he was born to do something.
684
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:25,530
I feel so proud of Packard. I just feel
all choked up about my little guy.
685
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:27,490
This is the person who saved you.
686
00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:32,270
It's been a great day. I just am in such
admiration for what you do for animals.
687
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:33,370
Thank you so much.
688
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:34,630
Goodbye, buddy.
689
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:35,710
Goodbye.
690
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:38,310
Bye. Bye.
691
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,990
If we had more people like Samantha and
more cats like Packard showing the way,
692
00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:45,990
all cats would have great homes, and it
would be amazing.
693
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:52,340
No. Oh, God.
694
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,200
So I'm here for my final visit with Tara
and her cat, Callie. Now, Callie has
695
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,800
shown me last time that she can be
tolerant of strangers.
696
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,180
She brushed on you?
697
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,480
Yeah, I got the rub.
698
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,140
But unless Tara's done her homework and
learned how to forgive herself, I'm
699
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:15,160
afraid that she's never going to be able
to give Callie a bigger life.
700
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,400
Hello. Hi, hello.
701
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,800
How are you?
702
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:23,180
You had a lot of stuff to do last time I
was here. Let's take a look at your
703
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:24,118
video homework.
704
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,040
So we have Callie out here, and Becky is
going to try to feed her.
705
00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:30,260
Hi.
706
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:35,420
Tara's friends are allowing Callie to
walk around. They're not expecting bad
707
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,180
things to happen, and that's because
Tara is setting that up.
708
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,420
Get out of here.
709
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:40,780
Yum, Cal.
710
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,220
Okay, wait a second.
711
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:47,800
Yeah, I was so excited.
712
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:49,140
Right there.
713
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,340
The rolling on her back.
714
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:56,840
I mean, for cats to expose this part of
them is the ultimate interest.
715
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,100
You know, because in the wild, I could
be split right down the middle.
716
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Got your belly.
717
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,020
So it's really incredible.
718
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,860
That's a really wonderful moment.
719
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:08,940
I think I'm going to give you guys a
spoon.
720
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:11,560
Oh, that's when Saint and Veronica were
here.
721
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:12,860
Wow.
722
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:17,890
Look at that. Now, had she met these
guys? She's never met them. Never met
723
00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:19,630
before. So here she is.
724
00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:23,510
They're opening cans of food, and she's
just like, bring it.
725
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:27,630
Come on. In the middle of all of us,
just hanging out.
726
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:31,650
Look at that. I know. She's so gorgeous,
and she's so soft.
727
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:36,330
Tara exclaiming, my cat is beautiful,
and she's soft. You should touch her.
728
00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:38,790
that's what she has to project to all
humans and to her own cat.
729
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,280
Thought I'd throw something into the mix
here just to show you how good Callie
730
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,280
has been.
731
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:47,860
She actually just texted me, and Aaron
is here.
732
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Really? Aaron is the person that Callie
has a history of violence with. Now,
733
00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:55,560
with all the work that we've done, I'll
be really convinced that Callie's come
734
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,280
around if the two of them can interact
peacefully.
735
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,990
Now, here's a good thing. We've got...
Callie moving around. She's up on the
736
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:05,990
counter, which is great. So what I want
you guys to do is just to get up, go
737
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:09,950
make a cup of coffee. Okay. I need to
see if Tara can carry herself with
738
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:13,270
confidence around Callie right now so
that her friend can do the same.
739
00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:14,770
Oh, hi, Callie.
740
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:19,330
The more you are just as if there's not
a cat there, the better everything's
741
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:20,330
going to be.
742
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,870
Take a moment and be a little chill.
743
00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:29,130
Just be chill.
744
00:41:30,379 --> 00:41:33,020
Oh, God. Okay. Okay, we're going to back
up. We're going to back up.
745
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,860
Tara's friend Erin is back to her fraidy
-cat ways.
746
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Callie can feel it, and she's on the
verge of snapping.
747
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:42,100
This is make -or -break time for both
Tara and Callie.
748
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,280
Erin, it's okay.
749
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:45,700
I'm scared, though.
750
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:48,300
All right, just because she's on the
counter doesn't mean that she's
751
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:49,300
in any way.
752
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:50,700
Great.
753
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:54,460
As soon as Tara and Erin calm down, so
does Callie.
754
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:58,570
She's no longer that antisocial cat that
I met just a few weeks ago. She's
755
00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:02,670
behaving just like a normal cat should
right now, mirroring the energy that's
756
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:05,790
projected onto her. This is a reason to
sort of celebrate.
757
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:11,290
So we have Callie just walking around,
just like life is happening here, and
758
00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:12,890
then she winds up right there.
759
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:14,190
Good girl.
760
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:19,190
Good girl, Callie. Every step that
Callie takes right now is proof of her
761
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:20,510
normalization in this world.
762
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:26,000
That's that spot that I was hoping that
she would settle into at some point in
763
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,880
that cocoon. She's now feeling safe, and
she made the choice to be among people
764
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,500
and in that cocoon at the same time. To
me, that's perfect, which also means
765
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,120
that you don't get to move that cocoon
ever.
766
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:43,060
Callie has absolutely transformed from a
violently antisocial cat.
767
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:48,010
To one who's willing to let other humans
into her life. And I give all the
768
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:52,190
credit to Tara, who was able to overcome
her guilt over her previous cat, Moose,
769
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:55,550
and be the strong guardian that Callie
needed. You guys have a great start.
770
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:59,910
There's a lot to keep going on, but
hopefully you feel at least empowered at
771
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:00,910
this point. I do.
772
00:43:01,310 --> 00:43:05,570
For sure. There was a lot of personal
sort of work that had to go into this.
773
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:09,750
I realized that you reflected a lot of
what I had to go through with my early
774
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:14,030
work in shelters and what I had to do.
There was a lot of what I consider to be
775
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:17,950
a karmic debt that I pay forward. So I
wanted to give you this.
776
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:19,710
This medallion represents forgiveness.
777
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:24,270
We all have to make peace with our past
in order to create a positive future.
778
00:43:24,490 --> 00:43:25,490
I've learned that.
779
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:29,810
And I hope that this serves as a
reminder to Tara to forgive herself as
780
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:33,790
because I want her and Callie to have
that better tomorrow that they both want
781
00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:34,790
and deserve.
782
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:39,610
You've done so good by your friend, by
the way. I'm holding back tears.
783
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:43,350
Why? Why are you doing that? You're
always holding back tears. I know.
784
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:47,910
Why? Just thank you. I just appreciate
everything that you've helped her with,
785
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:51,950
and I appreciate it. Thank you very much
for everything.
786
00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:53,169
It's been my pleasure.
787
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:54,170
Goodbye, Callie.
788
00:43:54,570 --> 00:44:00,530
Jackson has impacted my life in a huge
way, more than he even knows. I had no
789
00:44:00,530 --> 00:44:05,510
idea what to do with Callie, but now I
know she's going to be fine and I'm
790
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:06,990
to be fine, and I feel great.
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