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Lucy has a mean streak, and my biggest
fear is that Lucy will hurt the baby.
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Hey, girl.
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If it came down to a choice between my
family and a cat, my
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child comes first.
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Chubbs is very aggressive, very
dominating, and Cole's blind.
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It's literally a fight every single day.
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just wearing us out, and we want our
sanity back. My goal in life is to go
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behaviorist work with cats, and if I
can't get these two to get along, then I
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can never achieve those goals.
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I'm Jackson Galaxy. I'm a musician by
night and a cat behaviorist by day.
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I've met cats with all kinds of
problems.
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but I've never met one I couldn't help.
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Oh, hello. In my career, I've worked
with thousands of cats one -on -one,
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analyzing their behaviors and retraining
them and their guardians.
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When relationships are at an end, I
don't have many more options than to
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leave. And cat guardians have reached
their emotional limit. Just get rid of
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her. I'm their last hope.
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Are you all right?
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I don't know. Cats have nine lives, but
humans only have one.
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Hey,
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girl.
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So what do you get when you cross an
incredibly aggressive cat who's biting
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scratching, drawing blood on a daily
basis, and a six -month pregnant woman?
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get a powder keg of a situation, and
that's what I'm dealing with right now.
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I'm heading over to make sure that
powder keg just doesn't go off.
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I'm John.
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I'm Sarah.
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And we're dating.
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With a baby on the way.
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We have two cats that don't get along
very well.
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Lucy is my cat.
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I call her Lucifer sometimes.
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I've had her for three years.
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My cat's Kylie, and I've had her for
about 10 years. We've been dating, Sarah
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and I, for about 15 months, and we were
longtime friends before that. The only
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stress in our relationship is Lucy.
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Lucy has a mean streak. Lucy likes to
sneak up on Kylie.
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She never had that problem before we
moved in here a year ago.
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You'll be petting her, and she'll be
purring, and all of a sudden, she'll
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unleash and attack you.
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Oh, my God.
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She'll wrap herself around you. She'll
bite down and pierce your skin.
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Lucy is locked onto my arm, and I can't
get her off, and I want to cry.
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If you try to shove her off, she'll come
back even harder.
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Ow! Ow, ow, ow.
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And they usually leave a mark.
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Even with the sweatshirt on, she dug
right through. I don't know what to do
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this cat.
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She sent me to the hospital with a cat
bite that got infected and immobilized
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entire arm.
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We want to bring our baby into the world
knowing that our home is safe.
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If it came down to a choice between my
family and a cat, my child comes first.
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Just thinking about giving her up breaks
my heart.
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I mean, she's my first baby.
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One of our cats is going to have to go,
and I'm afraid it's going to be Lucy.
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That's the most honest answer I think
I've heard.
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I'm going in right now for my first
visit with John and Sarah.
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They got a hard deadline here. We got
three months and we're going to have a
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baby. Hey, how are you?
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Hey, Sarah. Hey, I'm John.
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I'm good to meet you guys. I got to be
honest with you. This one makes me a
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little nervous because Sarah's six
months pregnant. They've got an
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cat named Lucy. I'm concerned as well as
them. So I'm going to go in right now.
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See if there's anything I can do about
it. Tell me what's going on. We have
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Lucy. Our younger cat, she's got a lot
of energy.
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She's really rambunctious. She likes to
scratch and bite.
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Wait, hold on. This is rambunctious?
Yeah.
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Most of the time when I see cats biting
and biting hard, it's because they could
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have been taught by humans that hands
are toys.
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So they go after the hands with teeth.
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Kylie is our other cat. We keep Lucy in
the back of the house all day, and Kylie
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has the front. They don't get along.
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Lucy will creep up on Kylie, wait until
she has let her guard down, and then
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sneak attack her.
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About six months ago, she actually sent
me to the hospital with a cat bite.
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She grabbed on with her back claws here,
so she was like this, you know, biting
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and immediately got infected within
three days.
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Huge swollen, couldn't use my hand for
anything.
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It's pretty bad.
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When the cat sends you to the hospital,
that's when my meter goes to red, and I
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know we've got to step in and make
something happen right now.
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If I had a bite of that magnitude, I
don't know what I would do. I can't take
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antibiotics being pregnant.
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I hadn't even thought of that.
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I wouldn't hesitate to find a new home
for Lucy.
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It's... It's heartbreaking to think
about giving up my pet that I adore.
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I could tell that we had a major problem
on our hands. They were both panicked,
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it seemed to me, and I don't blame them.
They're about to have a baby, and we've
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got an aggressive cat.
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Lucy draws blood on a daily basis.
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We've got a lot of things to look at,
what I need to look at.
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It's the territory.
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So let's get cracking. Let's move on. I
had to see who owned what. What part of
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the house does Lucy own? What part of
the house does Kylie own? But I do want
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make sure I'm not putting a pregnant
woman in danger.
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Kylie has the habit of cornering herself
over here.
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There's Kylie.
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Baby doll.
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Hi, my love.
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When I see a cat like Kylie scrunched
behind a TV, it's the epitome of lack of
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confidence. Do you mind if I get you out
of there? Is that okay?
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You're a lot of cat.
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She's inviting attack. If you act like
prey, you're going to be treated like
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prey. And that's what Kylie was doing.
So we have to really up her confidence
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level. So, obviously something that
we're going to have to look at.
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Let's keep going.
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What do we got? This is our soon -to -be
nursery.
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Obviously it's a little cluttered, a
little crowded right now.
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How soon are we looking at getting this
done?
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Basically within six to eight weeks.
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Guess what?
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Probably a little sooner, huh? A lot
sooner.
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It's not just going to be about the
architecture in here. It's the smells,
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sights, the sounds. We're going to work
all that stuff in here before the baby's
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born, way before the baby's born. They
have to get used to the environment.
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Basically, cats are really big creatures
of habit, and I've got to start getting
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them used to this space so when the new
baby comes, Lucy won't feel threatened
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and attack John, Sarah, or the baby.
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Okay, so we got Lucy in here.
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Hi, Lucy.
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John, I'm going to ask you to come in
here and just show me what it is that
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would normally do. I want to see John
handling her. I got to think there's
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way that he pets her that sets her up.
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I'm not trying to get you sent back to
the hospital. Believe me.
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What I'm trying to do is approach that
line with her, what I call the challenge
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line. Hey, girl.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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Ow. Sorry, sorry, sorry. That stings.
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I can't believe this. I turn my head for
one second, and boom. Sarah puts her
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hand the one place I didn't want it, on
Lucy, and Lucy attacks her. The last
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thing I wanted to happen for Lucy to
attack Sarah, who's pregnant.
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Sarah immediately jumped out and ran out
of the room. Her wounds were kind of
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nasty looking, considering they happened
so fast, but there were no bites. The
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vast majority of cat bites get infected,
so I was just really relieved not to
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see a puncture mark.
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I don't like the fact when I look at
this. I mean, it's okay for me. It's not
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okay for you. When Lucy finally went
after Sarah the way she did, just
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onto her arm, she did it with the
natural ferocity of the hunter that she
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realize that our deadline is not when
this baby is born.
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Our deadline is now. We're dealing with
a cat that's predictable, and that is a
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huge plus.
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John and Sarah think that this is
totally unprovoked. No. What she is is a
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bomb. This is the cat who's locked away
in the back of the house all the time. A
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cat with incredible drive is a hunter,
and all of that energy is going to come
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out where you don't want it unless you
take the responsibility to drain it
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That baby is like a prime target.
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I mean, no, it's true, right?
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Now, the nursery has got to be done, and
it's got to be done by the time I get
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back here.
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You are going to be in charge of the
play time.
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You're going to have two play sessions a
day, morning and night.
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Playtime is essential for Lucy, who
bites.
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We've got to get her moving on something
that will drain energy off of her in a
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natural way. Give her what she needs,
but don't present humans as targets.
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In the middle of your workday, I want
you to start taking breaks and have
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supervised visits with them. When I use
supervised visits, it's basically a way
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of taking extra responsibility with two
cats who just don't get along.
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If the cats wanted to kill each other,
they would have done it by now, and it
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hasn't happened.
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Over the first week, you're going to
start seeing a change in her behavior
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because she's not going to be looking at
Kylie to be a target. And if Kylie's
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not a target, she's not going to act
like a scared cat.
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And that will up her confidence level.
Okay. Got it? Yeah. All right, good. It
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was really scary seeing Sarah being
attacked by Lucy. Lucy is the one that's
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aggressor. I would like to just give up
Lucy.
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I'm going in for my second visit now
with John and Sarah, who's very pregnant
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this point. Now, I gave them basic
homework last time about their cat,
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whose violence I saw firsthand.
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Hey, girl.
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Oh, God.
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Jackson! John!
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Hi! All I can hope for this time is the
attacks are down, because we really
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don't have a lot of room to work with.
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So let me just ask you one thing so we
can get it out of the way, okay?
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Have we had blood?
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Well... Uh -oh.
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We have seen blood. We have seen blood.
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She came up and she was purring and she
sat right on my belly.
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I went to kind of like adjust and that's
when she just went right for my arm.
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Holy God, that was one. Both sides of my
arm.
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Really disturbing news today. I mean, I
walk in, the first thing that I hear is
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that Sarah's been attacked within the
last week. I mean, the scars all over
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arms are ridiculous.
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How did you feel when you found out?
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Angry to see Farrah get beat up time
after time.
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This completely bums me out. Gets me
thinking that maybe Lucy doesn't belong
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the film.
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What wasn't happening at that point?
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She wouldn't react to any of the toys.
And two, we didn't have supervised time
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for two days.
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The thing that really concerns me is
that if you spend two days not taking
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gunpowder out of the bomb, the bomb
builds up again and goes off to that
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We just can't have that. If they're not
playing with her and they're not letting
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Lucy out to share the space with Kylie,
then they're creating the cat bomb
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that's ready to explode.
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I know that you guys filmed some
homework for me on video, so let's take
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We have Kylie over here.
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We have Lucy sneaking up on Kylie, so
I'm going to do this and just block her
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off. Go find something else to do.
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That's the idea of these supervised get
-togethers between the two cats.
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And I thought it was great that Sarah
thought to use a sight blocker to get
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between Kylie and Lucy. It keeps Sarah's
body out of the way. Lucy just attacked
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me again.
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It's really disheartening.
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I'm just starting to worry that it's not
going to work.
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The worst thing I've seen in video
homework in quite a long time was the
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aftermath of that attack, and I needed
some good news. It was time to get up
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definitely take a look around this
house.
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Okay, let's take a look.
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Bang!
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It's a nursery.
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Guys, that's amazing.
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Lucy is roaming in that room and seeing
all the changes. She seems to enjoy
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being in the nursery.
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It feels like you're expecting a baby.
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This wasn't just about building up a
nursery for John and for Sarah. It was
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for Lucy. This is desensitizing,
positive association.
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So a cat like Lucy is not going to feel
threatened around a newborn and attack.
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So let's keep moving. Okay.
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Hi, Kylie.
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She's a back rub type of girl.
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Yeah, she loves it. With Kylie this
comfortable, what better time to bring
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in to have the supervised playtime? We
might as well.
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Suddenly she zoomed in onto Kylie.
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Lucy is locked.
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She's getting ready here. What am I
going to do? Distract her with this.
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The reason why I wanted to distract Lucy
with a toy is because I wanted to make
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it more interesting than attacking
Kylie.
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It's really tough with her.
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Oh, no. No, no.
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Uh -huh.
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This is the place where you would have
your sight blocker, right?
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I put it down. Look at that.
Immediately.
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Immediately she's off.
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That's the goal, okay?
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Lucy just went after Kylie, and I don't
want her to redirect that energy onto
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John and Sarah, so I've got to find
something that calms her.
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Hello, honey.
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Hi.
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The one thing that you never want to do
with a prey animal like a cat is stare
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them in the eyes. What I wanted to do
was soften my gaze. I call it a slow
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blink. It's just a way to communicate
with cats.
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Hi.
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Hi, baby.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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You see how the blink made that happen?
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When Jackson blinked his eyes at Lucy,
she sort of like flopped over and mewed
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at him. His blinking just really seduced
her. I mean, look. Hi.
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You give her that look and she just kind
of goes belly up. I have never actually
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seen her do that.
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I looked over at Sarah and John. We all
thought at the same time, this is the
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cat we love. This is the cat we want to
save. Come on, guys. I want to sit down
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for a bit and give you guys homework for
today, okay? Okay.
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First of all, let's start talking about
the nursery. I think it's really
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important for both her and Kylie to be
able to watch this thing in motion. I'd
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like you to put up a shelf or two around
the crib itself. Safe distance away,
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but above it a little bit.
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I do want both cats to be able to get up
above the crib. They can see what's
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going on. They're not deprived from the
baby, and that means they'll be less
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prone to attack the new baby.
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I want Kylie to have more home. That
seat is her home. More, more, more.
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little stairway up and down on that big
piece of sliding glass window. What I
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want is for Sarah and John to start
catering to Kylie's needs. Then she'll
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safe, not cornered, and her confidence
will skyrocket.
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And the final thing is...
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You guys got fascinated by the eye
blink, but here's what I'm going to do.
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I'm going to video myself doing it, and
I'm going to give it to you guys, and
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I'd like you to play it on that big
screen TV while you're doing the
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visit. John and Sarah have both been
attacked by Lucy in the past, and I just
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don't want to have their faces anywhere
near her right now. And until there are
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no more attacks, we'll just use the
video.
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All right, guys. Have a great night.
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I am scared because I don't want to get
rid of my cat, and I don't want to bring
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my baby into a home where he or she
might get hurt. I need to feel self
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that my child's going to be safe.
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And now it's time for a kitty bit.
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Who invented the cat door? Was it A, Sir
Isaac Newton, B, Thomas Edison, or C,
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Alexander Graham Bell?
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The answer is A.
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Sir Isaac Newton, who discovered the
principles of gravity, also invented the
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cat door.
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I'm here for my final visit with John
and Sarah and their cats, Lucy and
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Now, we've still got a baby on the way,
and the clock is ticking.
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When I first met Lucy, she was attacking
Sarah all the time. There was also some
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cat -on -cat aggression that I wasn't
thrilled about.
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Jackson's blinking.
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On their video homework, I got to see
the iBlink TV.
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Oh, she's watching the eyes.
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Very intrigue. I know it sounds
ridiculous, but I just wanted to see if
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would respond to it. And sure enough,
Lucy walked up to it, and she began to
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really experience it in a positive way.
Her body was relaxed. She's just still.
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I'm hoping we're just that much closer
to having peace in the house.
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Jackson, welcome back.
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The stakes were so high in this home,
and I'm just hoping that Lucy's less
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aggressive and not posing such a big
threat to the baby.
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So, guys.
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First day I met you, you were getting
attacked on a regular basis.
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Okay, okay.
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So, let's do an arm check. Please show
me what's going on.
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Do we have any new ones?
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No.
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Yeah.
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Give me some.
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Since Jackson's been here, I don't feel
like I'm tiptoeing around her as much. I
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don't feel like, oh, this is going to
end in an attack. I have a way to work
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with her now that will just take that
energy and just dispel it right away.
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What else?
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The supervised visit's going real well.
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Kylie falls asleep, even. With Lucy out
here?
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Yeah. Wow.
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Last time I was here, I had to throw my
body in between these two.
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in order for mayhem to not break out.
Yeah.
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So really, really positive news.
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So guys, the first thing I noticed when
I walked in here was the shelving. So
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let's get up and take a look at that.
The last time I was here, I asked them
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build more shelves for Kylie.
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So that rocks right there. So Kylie will
go one, two, three.
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I've seen her do that, yes.
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Great.
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The thing with Kylie was to get that
confidence up. We took this cat, we got
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off the ground, and once we did, she
didn't present herself on the level of
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target that Lucy needed in order to be
activated.
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So now, Lucy's activated by the things
that we want her to be activated by.
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So our next stop was the nursery. The
first day that I was here, that space
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like a second garage. There wasn't
anything in there that even resembled a
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nursery. First of all, this is a
complete nursery.
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You've got it. I believe so.
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These shelves are a great step in the
right direction, and I just love the
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that everything's in place here.
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Settling into this baby's arrival also
means the cats can settle into this
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baby's arrival.
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These guys knocked my socks off. They
really did.
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Fantastic work.
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Exciting. Exciting in here, right? Let's
keep moving. I know there's other stuff
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we want to see before I leave today, so
come on.
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I sent John into the next room where
Kylie was, and I had Lucy come on over
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hang out at that point.
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I had John bring Kylie into the room and
sit down.
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Now watch. She's looking over there.
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See how I got her attention? She's doing
the blink. She's calmed down. Now we
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could see what was going to happen.
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There's Kylie.
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Go, girl! Yeah!
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See, this is the kind of thing I could
not get the last time I was here. Right
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now, I know that I can keep getting her
attention away from Kylie. It's so cool.
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Lucy's no longer that cat bomb ready to
go off because they're learning how to
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get rid of that energy in the correct
way, which means she's no longer going
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after them or Kylie.
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That is a cat that has changed
dramatically.
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One last question.
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We got a baby coming soon.
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How are you feeling now about having
baby and cat together?
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I really feel confident that we've got
this now. I see results, and I'm eager
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see what it looks like six more weeks
from now. Yeah, totally.
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There was a point where I was definitely
ready to kind of give up and rehome
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Lucy, but now I have the knowledge that
I need in order to make the situation
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work. So that's a pretty big deal. I
couldn't be more thankful because
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kept our family together.
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Have a nice, easy birth.
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Thank you.
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I'm completely confident walking away
from here today knowing that there's a
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baby coming into this world safe from
attacks from a cat. I couldn't be
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when a child grows up with animals
because they're the next generation of
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lovers. And with this family, I know
that's the case.
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Hey, hey.
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No, no, no.
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I'm heading over to see Perry and
Jonathan.
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They've got a cat named Chubbs, a three
-year -old Maine Coon who is incredibly
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violent towards their newer cat, Cole,
who happens to be flying.
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Now, this cat, Cole, can't even see
Chubbs coming. I've got to go over there
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right now and make sure that Cole has a
fighting chance.
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I'm Carrie. I'm Jonathan.
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And we've been together for... Two and a
half years. Two and a half years.
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And we own Chubbs and Cole.
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Chubbs is a Maine Coon.
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I've had him ever since he was a kitten.
Cole, we've had him for about a year
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and a half.
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We brought Chubbs home, as well as Cole,
from a kennel at a vet clinic.
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Chubbs was born too young, never had a
mother, grew up with a terrible immune
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system. Cole had a respiratory infection
so bad that his eyes were bulging out
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of his head.
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Now he's blind.
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We saved both of them, and now we've
brought them into their own little war
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zone. It's okay.
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It's okay.
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No, no, no. Hey.
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Chubbs has issues with aggression.
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I'm a certified veterinary technician,
and my goal in life is to go into
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behaviorist work with cats, and if I
can't get these two to get along, then I
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can never achieve those goals.
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The cats are a hindrance to a lot of our
daily activities.
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They fight all the time.
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Six, seven, fight every single day.
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We're losing sleep over them.
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We didn't save them to get them in a
situation of where they were just going
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be living terrible lives.
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It's just wearing us out, and we want
our sanity back.
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Hey, man. I'm Jonathan.
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I'm Carrie.
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We are big fans of Jackson, and I look
to him as a mentor.
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Well, glad to be here. I hear things are
getting pretty hairy around here,
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right? A little bit.
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Yeah, well, tell me a little bit about
it.
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Chubbs, he was pretty aggressive when
Cole came into the picture about a year
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and a half ago.
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When they started interacting, that's
when they started fighting.
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Chubbs would start immediately getting
aggressive towards him. It's literally a
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fight every single day.
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We had one severe fight. Cole and Chubbs
were in the bathroom, and we came home,
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and there was blood everywhere.
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And Chubbs nailed...
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actually had popped off.
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Carrie and Jonathan were telling me
right away that basically Chubbs is
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relentless about trying to get to Cole.
The victim is a blind cat, and that
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makes me feel awful. I really, really
want to help Cole out. So there's
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fights. Right. I got to say, this ain't
a lot of taste. Right.
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We're sitting in a very small
environment. This studio is teeny.
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It felt claustrophobic, and I know that
the cats just don't deal well with that,
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especially when there's one stalking the
other in the first place.
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Jonathan and I had really considered
having to rehome one of these cats.
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This is, what, a year and a half now?
Yeah. They're still fighting.
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I constantly feel like I'm agitated, I'm
upset. I saved both of these cats, and
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now they're just fighting.
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And that upsets me to my core because my
goal in life is being a behaviorist
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and, you know. So you actually want to
become a behaviorist? Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, cool. Yeah. I really love the fact
that Carrie wants to be a cat
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behaviorist. I'm here to just help these
cats but also to bring her up into this
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occupation. So what I'd like to do is
actually just.
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Every nook and cranny in here. Let's
take it apart.
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Okay. And then we can figure out what
makes the cats tick, right? Okay. All
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right, so let's start over there. Okay.
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So, where's Cole right now? He's
underneath that shelf.
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Hello, Cole.
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Cole hangs out down here normally?
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Yeah, he sleeps down there a lot. I
smell pee down here. Yeah, he's actually
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done it in his little spot. That's what
I'm smelling.
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If he's peeing where he sleeps...
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You don't get any more of a red flag,
right? Yeah.
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He's marking it and saying, this is my
only safe place. Not a good thing. I
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really wanted to see things under the
scope of my black light.
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This, to me, was what smelled really bad
before.
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Why don't you guys come down here and
join me, man? This is your stuff.
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Come here, start smelling around. You
tell me.
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Where do you... I mean, I can smell it.
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It's under the record.
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Under the records?
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These didn't used to be here.
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And it would show on the blanket, right?
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It should. If it would.
451
00:26:51,670 --> 00:26:53,070
It should, but let's give it a whiff.
452
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:58,830
I'm telling you guys, it smells like pee
down here. So he's hitting something.
453
00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:01,290
And this is where I get to do the fun
stuff.
454
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:05,670
Oh, that's it?
455
00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:07,570
Yeah, it's all wet down here.
456
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:12,890
So this is actually pretty fresh down
here. So we'll have to clean that up.
457
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,720
It had all pooled down on the floor, on
the cement, plus the carpet right in
458
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,180
front of there. It's sad that Cole can
only mark with urine to make himself
459
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:25,360
safe, and we've got to do something
about it.
460
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:32,260
Having his perimeters defined and
realizing that in this small space, he
461
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:36,840
out even a smaller space and said, this
is the only area I feel safe in, then...
462
00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:39,260
That gives us all the ammunition we're
going to need.
463
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:43,660
These guys don't have anything around
him that plays into challenging a cat
464
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:48,540
can't see. No toys that are sensory.
Nothing to lead him from one place to
465
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:52,360
other. And I find that suspicious when
we're dealing with Carrie, who wants to
466
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,120
be a behaviorist, and she's not dealing
with this cat's behavior.
467
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,080
And there's our boy.
468
00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:59,020
Hello, Mr. Man.
469
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:00,460
Oh, hello.
470
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,980
Now, here's the thing.
471
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,420
I need to see the two cats together.
472
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:12,080
So if you can get Cole from his den and
bring him on over here, and let's put
473
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,799
him on the bed.
474
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,160
I wanted Carrie to bring Cole over to
where Chubbs was on the bed. That said,
475
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:21,240
there's no way I'm going to let this
fight escalate because we're dealing
476
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,880
blind cat who's basically helpless.
477
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,540
Okay. Hi, Cole.
478
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:33,410
I feel anxious because we've had, you
know, Bad fights, and
479
00:28:33,410 --> 00:28:35,630
blood can be drawn from this.
480
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:42,850
This is the first look I've been able to
have at his eye, too.
481
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:56,750
Oh,
482
00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:58,450
okay.
483
00:29:00,310 --> 00:29:01,330
Up, up, up, up, up.
484
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,760
Come here.
485
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,240
Hey.
486
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,480
Okay. All right, well, at least I had
the good sense to run away.
487
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,380
We've got two cats who don't speak the
same language.
488
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:20,780
One can't see, and Chubb's a bottle
baby, who at three days old was brought
489
00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:24,220
by a human. That means he's going to
have holes in his language when it comes
490
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:27,440
dealing with other cats. They're just
learning how to have dialogue, and it's
491
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,440
not going too well.
492
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,380
All right, guys, so...
493
00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:33,930
I don't think they know how to
communicate or play with each other
494
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:38,430
So I want to start going over what I saw
today. You know what? Give me a second,
495
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:39,570
okay? I'll be right back. Okay.
496
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:46,510
It is time to go to school.
497
00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:48,730
Homework begins with you, Carrie.
498
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:52,490
You want to be a cat behaviorist, so
basically you've got to know what
499
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:57,550
to every cat. The only thing that's
important to a cat is, do I own this
500
00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:02,770
We see Chubbs, who walks around the
world like, I own this. Now, we have
501
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:05,610
on the other hand. His behavior is
saying, I don't own anything.
502
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:08,730
Carrie was telling me that she really
wanted to be a behaviorist. So for
503
00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:12,450
Carrie's homework, I want Carrie to put
on her cat glasses and start acting like
504
00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:13,449
a cat detective.
505
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:17,590
She's got to write down all her
observations and put it on their Cat
506
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:21,430
homework board. I think we're seeing a
lot of play aggression here. So give
507
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:25,870
toys that cater to them, meaning that
Chubbs gets the kind of toy he can chase
508
00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:30,110
around. Cole, we've got to be much more
imaginative about catering to the senses
509
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:33,910
that are heightened that he already has.
They have got to find sensory toys,
510
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:38,710
things that turn him on in a smell
sense, in a hearing sense, and really
511
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:43,010
getting him around the house, owning the
world by hunting things, so he becomes
512
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:44,010
a confident cat.
513
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:48,290
The next thing we've got to do in here
is declutter a little bit. I want to
514
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:52,030
sure that we have areas for these guys
to say, oh, yeah, I can get out of your
515
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:55,490
way. Cole's an easy target for Chubbs in
this cluttered apartment.
516
00:30:55,910 --> 00:31:00,330
Because Cole can't see Chubbs coming and
because Chubbs has a lot of places to
517
00:31:00,330 --> 00:31:03,470
hide here, if you've got any questions
in the next couple weeks, just give me a
518
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:05,270
shout, okay? Okay. Sounds good. All
right, guys.
519
00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:10,590
Jackson is in a field of work that I
definitely want to be in, and it really
520
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:14,570
does add the pressure because I want to
be walking in his footsteps one day.
521
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:15,810
Goodbye, my lovely boy.
522
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:18,890
And you guys, take care. You too. I'll
talk to you soon.
523
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,170
I can't.
524
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:25,710
Strive in any of my other goals if I
can't even get my own cat to get along
525
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:32,630
I'm here for my second visit with Carrie
Jonathan
526
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:36,670
and their two cats Chubbs and Cole the
first time I was here We had cat on cat
527
00:31:36,670 --> 00:31:40,170
aggression. We had a really confined
space and that really didn't help the
528
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:41,170
two problems at all
529
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:46,040
And to compound that, Carrie is a
veterinary technician who wants to be an
530
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,740
animal behaviorist. She can't be a
behaviorist if she can't sort out the
531
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:50,940
with her own cats.
532
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:55,080
Hey. Hi. How are you? Nice to see you
again. Nice to see you. I'm just hoping
533
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,940
they open the space and put my homework
to use. You guys nail the work around
534
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:03,820
here. This is twice the space that you
had before. I feel like I can breathe.
535
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Like you can breathe. That's exactly
what I was going to say. Now, if we feel
536
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,080
that way, these guys, they've got
territory.
537
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,240
They can claim that territory.
538
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,840
Now, while it's true that cats can feel
around with their whiskers, blind cats
539
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,000
are still at a disadvantage because they
can't see something coming, especially
540
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,620
if that's something attacks from behind.
541
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320
The aggression has gone way down. That's
fantastic. How many fights were we
542
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,320
having before?
543
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:30,380
Six, seven, a day. Right? Where are we
at now?
544
00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:31,980
One or two.
545
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,800
That's pretty amazing.
546
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,300
I really took the homework of being a
behaviorist to heart because this is
547
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:41,300
I want to do.
548
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:44,350
Last time I was here, Carrie was telling
me that she really wanted to be a
549
00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:48,090
behaviorist. And I said, go for it. What
I need you to do is observe, report,
550
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:51,490
and put it on their Cat Mojo 101
homework board.
551
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:54,170
I noticed it's actually the complete
opposite now.
552
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:59,870
Cole will actually go after Chubbs if he
hears him walking around the room.
553
00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:03,770
Interesting. Confidence level through
the roof. Yeah, probably because we play
554
00:33:03,770 --> 00:33:05,010
with Cole a lot more now.
555
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:08,550
Yeah. Do we have any sprain going on
from Cole?
556
00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:14,990
None. Cole standing up for himself,
showing a little bit of confidence in a
557
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:19,830
territorial way is what we needed here.
It's the pendulum swinging. As you raise
558
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:24,210
the confidence level of one cat, he's
going to test those limits. And that's
559
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:27,330
that Cole is doing. Now, I want to go
over your video homework with you.
560
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:33,150
I saw them using a fetter toy with
Chubbs that he can now chase and hunt.
561
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:34,150
okay, Wubby?
562
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:38,140
I was also really happy to see Cole
playing with his fuzzy toy. That meant
563
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:41,520
Carrie really did her homework and found
a toy that catered to the needs of this
564
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,700
blind cat, and that alone really raised
his confidence.
565
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,380
Jonathan and Carrie made it a livable
area for both cats. They have
566
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:53,460
the house in a big way, but at the same
time, the fights are still happening.
567
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360
It's really important that they finish
their work in terms of getting rid of
568
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,560
anything that can be an ambush zone or a
corridor. Now...
569
00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:06,830
The sort of aggressive behavior we're
still seeing, I was hoping to see a
570
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:07,830
less than that.
571
00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:11,610
Now, what we need to do is get up and
look around, okay?
572
00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:17,409
All right, so we got Cole out and about.
Where's Chubbs at?
573
00:34:18,730 --> 00:34:19,989
Chubbs is actually under there.
574
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:27,770
So now we've got Chubbs in Cole's old
area on this shelf, and we've got
575
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:28,770
Cole.
576
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,080
basically in the exact same position
Chubbs was in the last time I was here.
577
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:34,400
Things had really changed.
578
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,480
They had been playing with Cole, and
they had opened up the room for him,
579
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,960
allowing him to move through the space
more freely, and now he's claimed it as
580
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,960
his own. Now...
581
00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:45,429
What we need to do is double back with
Chubbs. My thought is that if he doesn't
582
00:34:45,429 --> 00:34:48,550
feel all the way comfortable in here
anymore because coal's starting to take
583
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:50,850
over, the rest of the world could be
his, okay?
584
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:55,389
Now, they still have a yard right
outside, so I think let's put him in a
585
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:58,650
and let's walk him around the
neighborhood a little bit so he gets
586
00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:00,650
-body stimulation that you just can't
replace.
587
00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:03,810
I want you to pick him up. We're going
to have a spot that we're always going
588
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:06,410
start the walks at, and then I'll reward
him once he hits that spot.
589
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:07,710
Okay. So go ahead and pick him up.
590
00:35:08,110 --> 00:35:11,370
I'm not too confident with getting
Chubbs.
591
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Out on a walk, a full -blown walk. He's
like, I want to go back. Yep. Go ahead.
592
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,900
Walk with him. Let him go? Okay. It's a
very fine line we've got to walk between
593
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,060
scaring him and challenging him. Come
on.
594
00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:24,180
You're all right.
595
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,240
If we could just get Chubbs to quit
fixating on going back inside and be
596
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,420
comfortable outside, we'd be on the
right track to boosting his confidence.
597
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,400
Come here, please.
598
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,800
Turn your head.
599
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,080
All I want you to do, buddy, is turn
your head.
600
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,260
There you go. Good boy.
601
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Now you see he is moving in the right
direction. You see how his body's
602
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,720
to relax out here? Yeah. He's not
constantly going backwards, right? He's
603
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,320
starting to find his mojo right now.
604
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:55,660
In the past, we had tried to get Chubbs
outside on a harness with little luck.
605
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:59,100
And Jackson helped show us that once we
start getting him outside, he'll start
606
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,100
getting more comfortable.
607
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,960
We're ending it on a totally high note.
608
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,820
He's finding his confidence out here.
We're done.
609
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:10,100
And Chubbs chose to follow the food
instead of following the fear back into
610
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:14,080
home. You could sense the breakthrough.
Now, I'm used to that, but Carrie
611
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,660
wasn't. Now, here's somebody who's
studying to do what I do. It's a really
612
00:36:17,660 --> 00:36:22,120
special feeling to know that the
fascination, the discovery is going to
613
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,118
else now.
614
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,120
All right.
615
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,600
Great work.
616
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:28,700
You guys have really gotten halfway
there.
617
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:30,380
So let me give you guys some homework.
618
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:35,920
Now, Cole, we can't ask him to go too
high. It's a little dangerous for him.
619
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,420
with Chubbs, we're going to build.
620
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,860
Up with just a few shelves around
connecting spot to spot. Cole is going
621
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:42,839
dominate the floor.
622
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,640
Let's have Chubbs start to be able to
walk up at the same time. Let's get him
623
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,200
walking around the neighborhood a little
bit, exploring and saying, you know, I
624
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,260
can get away from Cole. I can get away
from his territory a little bit and
625
00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:55,420
establish myself outside.
626
00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:58,080
I got something else for you. Hold on
one sec. Okay.
627
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,940
Okay. So this is kind of exciting.
628
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:05,980
Obviously, we want Chubbs to go outside,
we want him to go on walks, but I also
629
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:09,380
thought it would be really cool if we
could have sort of a, you know, a place
630
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:10,820
for him that's more like a tunnel.
631
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,400
By putting the tunnel in the yard,
they're giving Chubbs an additional
632
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:15,500
It's all his.
633
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,360
He'll own it. And ownership is something
that really increases a cat's
634
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,500
confidence. Plus, it's enclosed, so it's
safe.
635
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:26,890
And the other thing is, Carrie, because
you are looking to become a behaviorist,
636
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:30,470
I want you to continue this detective
work. Okay. Even though these guys put
637
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:33,850
their cat detective glasses, they still
need to open up the space even more, and
638
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:37,590
I want them to move the couch to prevent
fights. Through the work that you're
639
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:40,990
doing here, you're going to find all the
answers you need, and make sure you
640
00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:45,150
follow those answers. That's the one
thing that we've got to do, okay? Okay.
641
00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:47,990
I am going to take off. Okay. No
problem.
642
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:52,290
This case is also unique because Carrie
wants to become a behaviorist like me.
643
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:55,910
And if she begins to doubt herself
during this process, that could mean an
644
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:59,530
to her career. So I'm feeling extra
pressure here, and I'm hoping that these
645
00:37:59,530 --> 00:38:02,570
guys do their homework so I can finish
what I came here to do.
646
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,060
I'm here for my final visit with Carrie
and Jonathan, Chubbs and Cole. Now, the
647
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:19,660
last time I was here, we saw Cole's
confidence just skyrocketing. But at the
648
00:38:19,660 --> 00:38:24,040
same time, Chubbs' confidence was taking
a nosedive. The pendulum was swinging.
649
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,240
Now, this time around, I want to see it
centered.
650
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,800
Two cats getting along.
651
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:28,638
Hey, man.
652
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,640
And I'll be happy.
653
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Hi, Jackson.
654
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Nice to see you.
655
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,340
Holy cow.
656
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:35,220
Look at this.
657
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,140
Walking into Carrie and Jonathan's
place, first of all, this space speaks
658
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:43,480
It's finally decluttered. It's wide
open. It's wonderful. The two cats,
659
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,140
coexisting peacefully on a bed together.
This is one of the biggest and best
660
00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:50,740
transformations that I've ever seen in
any of my cases.
661
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:53,220
Isn't that incredible?
662
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Yeah, definitely.
663
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:59,580
The fact that Chubbs and Cole are on the
bed next to each other, sleeping and
664
00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:01,540
not fighting, is huge.
665
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:04,080
The fighting has stopped.
666
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:08,280
That. is what we came here for,
touchdown, right?
667
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:14,260
I think the playing is a really big part
of that. I've definitely been writing
668
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:18,600
more notes on the wall, just being
really critical in what I'm looking at.
669
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,500
definitely say that I finally have my
own pair of cat glasses. I feel so
670
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:28,480
confident now. I've been able to look at
the little things that the cats do, and
671
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,920
it's like, let's... take a step back.
When were they fed? When were they
672
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,240
with? What's going on? So I feel like
I've really embraced it. So cool.
673
00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:40,360
I want to get up and move around here a
little bit. All right. Let's go.
674
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:46,200
It's so intense to believe that this is
the same space.
675
00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:50,340
You have created this wonderful open
plan.
676
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,940
First day, this was Chubbs' place.
677
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:58,040
Second day I'm here, Cole is like, I
think I'll own this. And Chubbs is like,
678
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,080
oh, what about me?
679
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,300
Today, we come back here, and there's
peace in the valley.
680
00:40:02,860 --> 00:40:08,840
Fantastic. I was really hesitant to
think that they were both going to be
681
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,160
to, you know, live in the same vicinity
and be okay with one another and respect
682
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,320
one another. And, I mean, it's gone
beyond that.
683
00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:19,080
Now that's what I want to hear.
684
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:20,820
Look at him now. Look at that.
685
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,820
Look at where he's sitting right now.
From unconfident and miserable to
686
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:27,580
confident and happy.
687
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Cole is completely blind, but there's
something about a cat who overcomes any
688
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,380
perceived handicap, an animal who
everybody had given up on, who was going
689
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:42,560
euthanized. And one person said, no, no,
no, I know there's potential in him.
690
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,780
This is the proof, and it's so beautiful
to see him. I'm telling you, I'm all
691
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:48,900
goosebumps out right now.
692
00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:51,580
Oh, my God, that's so cool.
693
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,660
No, that's really beautiful.
694
00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:00,320
Wow. And I don't even live with him,
David.
695
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:05,240
For you guys, it's just got to feel like
you've done right by this cat, you
696
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,900
know? Carrie and Jonathan told me pretty
fast all the problems were done. No
697
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,540
more aggression. No more insecurity from
either cat. The pendulum has evened
698
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,460
out. We have a balance between these two
cats, and that was really the important
699
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:21,960
thing. All right, so let's take a look
at what you guys did in the last couple
700
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,960
weeks.
701
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,860
Looking at Carrie and Jonathan's video
homework, the happiness is just
702
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:31,080
today. First of all, moving that couch
to another end of the place, opening up
703
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,560
the whole middle, that was great.
704
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:38,920
I also got to see Chubbs getting up on
the shelves that Jonathan had built for
705
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,920
him. Good boy!
706
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,400
Well, you're not monkeying around.
707
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,240
Now Chubbs can watch Colt move around
the world from a totally safe distance,
708
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:52,300
and that way we have a dialogue between
these cats, not a bully and a victim. I
709
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:56,460
also got to see Chubbs in the tunnel and
on a leash still outside exploring the
710
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:58,400
world. Great stuff.
711
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,940
When you just take the homework by the
horns, this is what you get. The last
712
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:07,320
thing I want to do is observe Chubbs in
his tunnel toy that I brought over last
713
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,100
time because they said he really enjoyed
it.
714
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Here comes Chubbs into the tunnel.
715
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,800
But wait.
716
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:16,870
Cole is following Chubbs into the
tunnel, and I wonder, is he going to
717
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:18,930
around and attack him like he's done in
the past?
718
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:24,850
Oh,
719
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:33,310
my
720
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,110
God. Oh, man.
721
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,210
He smells Chubbs, and he says this is
safe.
722
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:42,110
That, to me, is the biggest success that
we've had.
723
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,439
All together.
724
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,140
Seeing Cole and Chubbs in that tunnel
together did my heart good. The
725
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:52,520
transformation has been too big for
words. When you have an aspiring cat
726
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,020
behaviorist like Carrie, she now has the
tools that she needs to move forward. I
727
00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:01,300
can't thank you enough for all the
information that you have given us.
728
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,100
I'm sorry.
729
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,920
You've made me that much more confident.
730
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,960
about what I want to do, about being a
behaviorist.
731
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,460
And you're going to set me off to my
future, to being what I want to be.
732
00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:24,360
And I can't thank you enough.
733
00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:29,720
Carrie, I feel secure about her. I know
that she's picked the right path.
734
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Little does she know that she's
motivated me to keep going on as well.
735
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:38,680
You have the foundation, not just
knowledge -wise now.
736
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:44,540
But you've got two teachers who all you
ever have to do is look at them. And
737
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:48,100
remember, if you save one, you're going
to save hundreds more.
738
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,860
So keep your glasses on. You know what I
mean? I'll definitely keep them on.
739
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,700
Okay, good, good, good. Before Jackson
came by, Jonathan and I had really
740
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,160
considered having to rehome one of these
cats.
741
00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:06,580
And now that Jackson has come by, we can
just live as a happy family now.
742
00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:08,540
All right, bye, guys. Bye, Jackson. Bye.
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