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♪ MTV ♪
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[crew member]
Kip interview, take three.
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Common mark.
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[interviewer] What's it feel
like to be a goddamn rockstar?
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Being a rockstar
is fucking amazing.
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It's fucking amazing.
- [crowd cheers]
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What you live for is the
moment you walk out on stage,
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[crowd cheering]
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and you hear the crowd roaring.
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[Kip]
Thank you very much!
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[Kip] The energy of
all the people
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and the noise they're making.
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They're there to see you.
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There's nothing like it, man.
Nothing like it.
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♪ Easy come, easy go ♪
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[Kip] It's the highest
high of all highs.
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[Kip] See you
next time, all right!
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I have a deep sadness in me
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because, you know, I did
not get enough of that.
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[crowd cheering]
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[guitar music]
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[light switch flicks]
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[electric guitar music]
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[bass rumbling]
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[cymbals clicking]
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[Vicky] The music business can
be very hope-shattering
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and faith-shattering.
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But for that moment in time
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where the band that you're
managing is on the rise
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and they're it...
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[rock music]
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there's nothing that quite
matches that feeling.
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[whistling]
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I pick the bands that really,
like, craft a good song.
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[tape player clicks]
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[tape whirring]
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It was September, 1984.
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My friend said, "There's
like this great new band.
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They're fresh in town
from Pennsylvania.
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Do you wanna come to the
showcase and check 'em out?"
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I'm like,
"Well, what's their name?"
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[rock music]
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I loved Poison.
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It was so fun.
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So I started courting them
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and ended up becoming
their manager.
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Poison was the hardest
working band in Hollywood.
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They all lived in a
two bedroom apartment.
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They showed me videos when
they were called Paris,
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and they did all these
Moötley Cruüe covers.
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But I was like, never
show this to anyone.
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[laughs]
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[rock music]
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[Vicky]
They never had a plan B,
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and so they knew
they had to succeed at this.
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And I worked out a deal
with the Troubadour
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for Poison to play there
every month, once a month,
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and that the Troubadour
would pay Poison's rent
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and phone bill.
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We had a meeting with Wes Hein
who ran Enigma Records.
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He offered them like
$25,000 to make a record,
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and they decided
they wanted to do that.
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[rock guitar music]
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They just didn't wanna do
that cheap of a record.
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Little did I know,
you know, a few months later...
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♪ You gotta cry tough ♪
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♪ Out on the streets ♪
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♪ To make your dreams happen ♪
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[Vicky] I kinda knew that
Poison would do pretty well.
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Did I think they would be
as big as they were?
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No.
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♪ Down the basement ♪
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♪ Lock the cellar door,
and baby ♪
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♪ Talk dirty to me ♪
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[cheering]
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[Katherine] Poison got mostly
women in the early days.
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And that's kind of
a difference, the appeal.
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You know, it has to do
with the music,
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but also clearly the image.
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Their debut album,
Look What the Cat Dragged In
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has just racked up its
first million styles.
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Yeah, it's great.
- [both laugh]
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The rise of metal really
began in the huge commercial,
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you know, magazine's way
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withLook What the Cat Dragged In
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andSlippery When Wet.
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♪ Shot through the heart,
and you're to blame ♪
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♪ You give love ♪
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[Katherine]
Bon Jovi and Poison,
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rock band with good hair,
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rock band with great
image and big hair.
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I would not kick Jon Bon Jovi
out of my bed.
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Never.
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[fans cheering]
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[Katherine] And that was really
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the breaking open of the gate
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of metal becoming commercial.
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[interviewer] Give me a list
of the biggest bands of the era.
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No, I'm not gonna do it.
I won't go on record.
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So...
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[Craig] Quiet Riot, Great White.
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[Vicky] Twisted Sister.
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[Craig] WASP.
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[all] Moötley Cruüe.
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[Craig] Bon Jovi, Poison.
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[Vicky] Warrant.
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I can do better, hold on.
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RATT. LA Guns.
Guns N' Roses.
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Autograph.
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[Vicky] Stryper.
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Def Leppard.
Def Leppard were the best.
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Cinderella and White Lion.
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Faster Pussycat.
Europe.
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["Final Countdown" by Europe
plays] - [Craig hums to tune]
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Get that outta your head
for the rest of the day.
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[Wayne] MTV brought energy
into the whole market
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of metal going from pop music
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to then suddenly grabbing
onto metal 'cause they
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could see the energy that
you could see the enthusiasm.
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They were able to market that
and show people the clothing
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the styles, the energy, the
direction, the lifestyle.
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♪ Everybody's crazy ♪
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[interviewer] You went from
directing Michael Bolton...
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[Wayne chuckles]
- to Moötley Cruüe.
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♪ Sweet Little Girl,
She's the high school queen ♪
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Yeah, to go from Michael Bolton
and "Everybody's Crazy",
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even though I'm really proud
of the video and the graphics
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and everything we did.
I just imagine
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what he thinks of now
when he sees that
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and that look and that genre
that he was attacking.
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♪ She's got the looks
that kill ♪
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[Wayne] Moötley did
"She Got the Looks That Kill".
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♪ She's got looks to kill ♪
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I look at "Looks That Kill
and I just start laughing
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at the overdramatic it's almost
like they're making a silent film.
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It'sNosferatu, you know,
it's like, the girls are...
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are leaning back and screaming.
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There's an absurdity
to the whole concept.
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It was funny
but in a positive sense.
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It's not funny to laugh at,
going, you guys are idiots.
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Funny going,
"Yeah, that's what it's about."
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Guys doing their guitar poses
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or their guitar
player fuck faces.
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The music, the concept,
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the groove is all fun energy.
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♪ Smokin' in the boys' room ♪
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♪ We're smokin'
in the boys' room ♪
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[Wayne]
"Smokin' The Boys' Room",
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I said look, you guys
can run over here.
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You bust through this wall
and run over here.
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And Nikki looks at me and goes,
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"Rock stars don't run,
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we're not gonna run somewhere,
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we're not afraid of anything."
Just, no.
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["Home Sweet Home"
by Moötley Cruüe plays]
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[Wayne] Coming backstage
with Moötley when we're doing
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"Home Sweet Home",
Tommy in fishnet stockings
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and other weird shit and makeup.
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♪ Home sweet home ♪
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[Wayne] The absurdity of
their outfits,
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the absurdity of their hair,
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the absurdity of
what they're doing.
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You know, they're not walking
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down the street
wearing that shit.
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MTV would seed your
visibility with a heavy track.
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♪ My gypsy road
can't take me home ♪
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♪ I drive all night
just to see the light ♪
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But they blow you up...
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♪ Don't know what you've
got till it's gone ♪
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[Lonn] With gigantic...
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♪ Heaven isn't too far away ♪
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[Lonn]...ridiculous...
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♪ Carry ♪
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[Lonn]...wind machine
driven ballads...
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♪ Every rose has its thorn ♪
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[Lonn]...silly outfits...
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♪ Love bites ♪
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♪ Love bleeds ♪
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♪ Lonely...
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[Lonn]...bombastic
stupid videos.
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The thing to do is to
do the power ballad.
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And I was like,
we don't have one.
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I'm not a, I don't write
power ballads, you know?
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I never wrote songs for a label
telling me you have to
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write this or write that.
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I just wrote a song
until I liked it.
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♪ Now there's no one home ♪
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♪ In my house of pain ♪
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[Taime] "House of Pain". You know,
I thought it turned out pretty good,
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especially when
you got Aerosmith
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saying that's their
favorite song.
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And I was like, you rock.
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[tape clicks]
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[tape whirs]
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[Janet] Really quickly after
I first joined the band,
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we went in and started
recording, was in the basement
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of the Capitol Building.
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The famous Capitol
Records building
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and that was a real
eye opener there.
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I'm gonna go in there
and sing a couple songs,
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it's a big deal.
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[chuckles]
It was a very big deal.
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We thought we were finished
recording the album.
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Our label wanted to make
sure that we had radio
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friendly songs,
we needed singles.
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We had met Richard Marx.
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He was like, "Oh, yeah, yeah,
maybe we should work together."
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♪ Wherever you go ♪
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♪ Whatever you do ♪
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[Janet] The record company had
told him we need a first single
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for Vixen.
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He's super talented
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and he knows people.
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He totally knew how to
get the best out of all of us.
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That's when he came up with
"Edge of a Broken Heart".
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[driving rock music]
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[Janet] When I went out
there to sing
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I had no lyrics yet.
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He walked in the studio
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as I'm standing there.
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"Here are the lyrics."
No pressure there.
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♪ I can't believe I could
have been so blind ♪
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♪ But love is strange ♪
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[Janet] We were on MTV
when it first came out.
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[all] Hi, we're Vixen.
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You know it, you love it,
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"Edge of a Broken Heart".
- All right.
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♪ I've been living on the
edge of a broken heart ♪
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♪ I don't wanna fall ♪
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♪ I don't wanna crawl ♪
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♪ I've been living on the
edge of a broken heart ♪
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♪ Don't you wonder why ♪
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♪ I gotta say goodbye ♪
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[Janet] They sold 150,000 copies
of our album in the first week.
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I got Janet and Roxy.
- Hi, Ricky.
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Hi, Roxy. Hi, Janet.
- Hi, Ricky.
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[Janet] It was all
firing on all cylinders.
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It was a very,
very exciting time.
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We went from playing clubs
for a few hundred people...
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♪ Don't you wonder why
I gotta say goodbye ♪
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♪ I've been living on the
edge... ♪
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[Janet]...to arenas.
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[crowd cheering]
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It's hard to put it into words
how good it felt
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to get out in front
of all those people.
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Does anybody out there
wanna raise some hell?
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[crowd cheering]
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Let's do it!
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Ooh, I know something.
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There is some essential
stuff that is so rock
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and roll down here that
you definitely want to get.
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This is us jamming
"Little Wing". Ha.
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Yes.
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So this is one of the
first posters we ever did
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from 1988 in front of
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The Cat Club in New York City.
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That moment right before
we got the record deal.
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I'm thinking to myself,
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"We get to play music
for a living."
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Like what a, an amazing gift
to be able to, to experience.
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So that's that poster story.
- [laughs]
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[tape clicks]
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You are the "Youth Gone Wild"!
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[Snake] We had released "Youth
Gone Wild" as the first song.
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♪ We are the youth gone wild ♪
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[Snake] No one
really knew who we were.
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Wayne Isham and
Curt Marvis did our video,
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♪ We are the youth gone wild ♪
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[Wayne] With "Youth Gone Wild",
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I'd met the guys,
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Snake and Scotty, Baz is crazy.
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They're all great guys,
really good performers.
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They're ready to rock
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but never really been
in front of the camera.
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You know, it's overwhelming
to have the machine
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of film surround you
with all this shit.
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We were all tense and nervous
while we were doing it.
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So I went out and bought
a couple bottles of Jack
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and came back and made everybody
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have a couple hits,
and let's do it.
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We might as well play the
"Youth Gone Wild" video. - Yeah.
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That was a new experience
for the band. How was that?
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It was great. It was like,
'cause like doing a album is like doing a,
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a show in a urinal, you know,
'cause it's all sterile
285
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and it smells and stuff
and it's just not...
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You gotta be, gotta get
in good with the janitor.
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You'll be all right.
- [all laugh]
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♪ We are the youth gone wild ♪
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[Snake] It was time to release
the next single,
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we were all on board
with the song "18 And Life".
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♪ Ricky was a young boy ♪
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[Snake] We enlisted
Wayne Isham and Curt Marvis...
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[driving rock]
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[Snake]...to come up
with a storyboard
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and shoot a video
for "18 And Life".
296
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♪...from the edge of town ♪
297
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What they came up with
was absolutely magical.
298
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♪ 18 and life, you got it ♪
299
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♪ 18 and life, you know ♪
300
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♪ Your crime is time and it's ♪
301
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♪ 18 and life to go ♪
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[Snake] I don't think I could
have imagined a better
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representation visually for
a song that I was a part in
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in writing with Rachel.
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Without them coming up
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with that and creating
that visual,
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I don't think we would've been
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as successful as we were.
309
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And the winner is...
Skid Row.
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Hey, this is Skid Row.
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Stay tuned for the week in rock.
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Right here on MTV.
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[Snake] And that was the
turning point for our record.
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That's when people in the
audiences really knew us.
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You do anything special
on stage in Russia?
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Sing on key.
317
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[Snake] You're signing
autographs like crazy.
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And it's something that
I practiced when I was a kid.
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All these things that you had
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in your mind about how it
might be, it really is.
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[playing "18 And Life"]
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Got a record deal, freaking out,
put the record out.
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Nothing, nothing happened.
324
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Bo called me and said,
well, we've sold 15,000 albums!
325
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And I was like, "Oh, my God,
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we sold 15,000 albums?"
327
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And he's like, "Yeah, well,
the record companies,
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you know,
they're gonna drop us."
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So then we were like,
"Well, we gotta make a video
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'cause the video
is where it's at."
331
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Four or so people came from the
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label to see if we were
worthy of making it.
333
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[rock guitar music]
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[Kip] These are seasoned guys.
335
00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:07,232
So I have my ballet tights
and our rock regalia.
336
00:16:07,319 --> 00:16:08,798
I just came out of Alice Cooper.
337
00:16:08,885 --> 00:16:10,409
Rev was a rockstar when he came
338
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out of the womb,
and we blew them away, man.
339
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They're like, "Absolutely,
when are we gonna start?" You know?
340
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That's awesome!
341
00:16:22,421 --> 00:16:24,814
They gave us the money
to do "Madalaine".
342
00:16:29,515 --> 00:16:33,649
MTV put the video in
the top 10 countdown.
343
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Everybody we know,
call, call, call, call, call.
344
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You know? So we're all home
calling MTV and...
345
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[MTV Announcer]
And number one is Winger.
346
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It started catching on.
347
00:16:42,397 --> 00:16:45,531
♪ Madalaine... ♪
348
00:16:45,618 --> 00:16:50,449
♪ This is love
too tough to tame ♪
349
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[Kip] Radio followed
and the song really took off.
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As for our second video, 17...
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[Riki Rachtman] What does
"she's a magic mountain" mean?
352
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So I thought maybe she
was an amusement park.
353
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She a magic, magic mountain.
- She's at Disneyland?
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Just like a big ice cream
mountain with M&MS on it.
355
00:17:08,206 --> 00:17:10,164
[Kip] And by the time 17
came out,
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we were selling
30,000 albums a week.
357
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♪ I'm only 17 ♪
358
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You're in the right place...
Winger!
359
00:17:21,958 --> 00:17:23,177
Bam, it's happening.
360
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♪ She's only 17 ♪
361
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♪ 17 ♪
362
00:17:28,313 --> 00:17:29,792
♪ Daddy says she's too young ♪
363
00:17:29,879 --> 00:17:32,621
♪ But she's old
enough for me ♪
364
00:17:32,708 --> 00:17:34,145
And I didn't write the line,
365
00:17:34,232 --> 00:17:35,668
"Daddy say's she's too young
366
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but she's old enough for me."
367
00:17:37,322 --> 00:17:40,586
That's the one line
that I did not write.
368
00:17:40,673 --> 00:17:44,677
That's the line
that really buried me, man.
369
00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:47,984
♪ I'm only 17 ♪
370
00:17:48,072 --> 00:17:49,769
♪ Yeah 17 ♪
371
00:17:49,856 --> 00:17:51,553
♪ I'll show you love ♪
372
00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,990
♪ No, you ain't seen
nothing like me ♪
373
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[Kip] The lyrics are very pop
374
00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:57,298
and totally not politically
correct anymore, but,
375
00:17:57,385 --> 00:17:58,604
but McCartney's still singing,
376
00:17:58,691 --> 00:18:00,997
"She's only 17," so you know,
377
00:18:01,085 --> 00:18:04,349
call him up and you know,
he's the, he's the leader.
378
00:18:04,436 --> 00:18:06,873
Oh, God, Kip, I'm really sorry.
379
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,831
Do you wanna take your pants off?
I could put 'em in the oven.
380
00:18:08,918 --> 00:18:10,268
[chuckles] No, it's okay.
381
00:18:10,355 --> 00:18:13,097
It'll evaporate
from my body heat.
382
00:18:13,184 --> 00:18:15,577
He just talked
about his body heat.
383
00:18:15,664 --> 00:18:17,710
Kip, were you born
with that sexy smile?
384
00:18:17,797 --> 00:18:18,841
Give mean this one?
385
00:18:20,582 --> 00:18:23,150
There's nothing
we don't like about Winger.
386
00:18:23,237 --> 00:18:26,980
[Kip] The fact that I ended up
being a pinup, it's great,
387
00:18:27,067 --> 00:18:29,635
but none of the musicians take
you seriously they think that
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00:18:29,722 --> 00:18:33,073
since you're a pinup,
you couldn't possibly be a musician.
389
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,076
I got into this as a
musician to begin with.
390
00:18:36,163 --> 00:18:38,861
The writing I do with Winger,
all of us have our own niche
391
00:18:38,948 --> 00:18:40,341
when it comes to that.
392
00:18:40,428 --> 00:18:41,603
Like Rod and Rev seem to be
393
00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:42,909
more of a fusion type thing,
394
00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:44,867
and Kips really into classical.
395
00:18:44,954 --> 00:18:46,260
[Kip] This song that
you'll hear now,
396
00:18:46,347 --> 00:18:47,043
it's kind of a
big orchestration.
397
00:18:47,131 --> 00:18:48,610
So I got into it from that point
398
00:18:48,697 --> 00:18:50,308
'cause I got to do my
string arrangement,
399
00:18:50,395 --> 00:18:52,179
my horn arrangement,
and all of that.
400
00:18:52,266 --> 00:18:54,442
We are going to rock the house
401
00:18:54,529 --> 00:18:56,966
as The Bullet Boys would say.
[laughs]
402
00:18:58,272 --> 00:19:00,796
Our agent called the
Scorpions and said,
403
00:19:00,883 --> 00:19:02,407
"Take this band on tour."
404
00:19:02,494 --> 00:19:05,192
And they said "Yes."
405
00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:06,846
And then we had a shot.
406
00:19:06,933 --> 00:19:11,720
["Time To Surrender"
by Winger plays]
407
00:19:11,807 --> 00:19:15,768
[Kip] The first gig we had was
Minneapolis with the Scorpions.
408
00:19:15,855 --> 00:19:17,770
Reb blows his amp
on the first song.
409
00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,120
I don't have my front
man chops together.
410
00:19:20,207 --> 00:19:22,166
I didn't even know what
to say to the audience.
411
00:19:22,253 --> 00:19:24,080
And the Scorpions are like,
412
00:19:24,168 --> 00:19:27,954
"Who are these guys? They suck.
Fire of them immediately."
413
00:19:30,261 --> 00:19:31,653
Our gig was in danger.
414
00:19:35,222 --> 00:19:39,008
So I watched Klaus Meine front
The Scorpions long enough
415
00:19:39,095 --> 00:19:42,838
to steal some of his chops
and get the audience going.
416
00:19:42,925 --> 00:19:43,970
[audience cheers]
417
00:19:44,057 --> 00:19:47,365
♪ I need to loosen up ♪
418
00:19:47,452 --> 00:19:50,019
♪ I need a little juicin' up ♪
419
00:19:50,106 --> 00:19:52,631
[Kip] And then, you know,
we had a very successful tour with them.
420
00:19:52,718 --> 00:19:54,110
We immediately were
livin' the rock star life.
421
00:19:54,198 --> 00:19:56,156
Tour buses, music,
422
00:19:56,243 --> 00:19:58,985
everything that goes along
with it, all the trappings
423
00:19:59,072 --> 00:20:01,683
that go, it was amazing.
424
00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:05,121
[crowd cheers]
425
00:20:05,209 --> 00:20:08,342
[light switch flips]
426
00:20:09,561 --> 00:20:12,564
[tape clicks]
427
00:20:12,651 --> 00:20:15,349
[tape whirs]
428
00:20:20,441 --> 00:20:23,357
[John] I left the band Angora,
429
00:20:23,444 --> 00:20:25,838
we met this guy
named John Greenberg.
430
00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:27,840
And I said to him, I think
you're really good man.
431
00:20:27,927 --> 00:20:29,885
I got my buddies, this band
called Racer X
432
00:20:29,972 --> 00:20:33,976
and they're singer as left
and they need a new singer
433
00:20:34,063 --> 00:20:35,500
and their other guitar
player has left to
434
00:20:35,587 --> 00:20:36,370
join this other band.
435
00:20:37,241 --> 00:20:39,068
So they're kind of reforming
436
00:20:39,155 --> 00:20:40,679
but I think you'd
be great with them.
437
00:20:40,766 --> 00:20:44,596
And that was the beginning
of the The Scream.
438
00:20:44,683 --> 00:20:47,816
♪ Waved goodbye to
a friend of mine ♪
439
00:20:47,903 --> 00:20:52,865
♪ Guess it's time as the sun
shines through the door ♪
440
00:20:54,475 --> 00:20:57,696
♪ Another night is gone ♪
441
00:20:57,783 --> 00:21:02,744
Which quickly led to a
bunch of demo recordings.
442
00:21:02,831 --> 00:21:06,052
♪ The man in the moon ♪
443
00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:12,319
[John] Our manager
decided to do showcases.
444
00:21:12,406 --> 00:21:14,974
That version of the band
hadn't even done a show.
445
00:21:15,061 --> 00:21:17,759
♪...all in all it
ain't a bad change ♪
446
00:21:17,846 --> 00:21:19,021
♪ I like it alone... ♪
447
00:21:19,108 --> 00:21:21,197
[John] We did three showcases
448
00:21:21,285 --> 00:21:23,504
a day for like five days
449
00:21:23,591 --> 00:21:26,464
for every record label.
450
00:21:26,551 --> 00:21:28,204
We only had like
three or four songs.
451
00:21:28,292 --> 00:21:30,337
So we played 'em what we had.
452
00:21:30,424 --> 00:21:32,208
And at the end of
the thing we had like
453
00:21:32,296 --> 00:21:35,168
three or four record
deals on the table.
454
00:21:35,255 --> 00:21:36,735
The one thing that we learned
455
00:21:36,822 --> 00:21:39,738
from our past bands was
to just be ourselves.
456
00:21:39,825 --> 00:21:40,913
You know, not worry
457
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,088
about radio songs or singles
458
00:21:42,175 --> 00:21:43,089
or anything like that.
459
00:21:43,176 --> 00:21:44,308
Just pretty much come up
460
00:21:44,395 --> 00:21:45,787
with an album kind of a thing.
461
00:21:51,837 --> 00:21:53,839
My dad was very structured,
462
00:21:53,926 --> 00:21:57,756
very nuts and bolts,
Roman Catholic.
463
00:21:57,843 --> 00:21:59,801
His thing was, you work hard,
464
00:21:59,888 --> 00:22:01,847
you put your money in the bank
465
00:22:01,934 --> 00:22:05,241
you take care of your family,
you save for a rainy day.
466
00:22:05,329 --> 00:22:08,288
He's never gonna
approve of what I do.
467
00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:09,724
Even when he came to see me
468
00:22:09,811 --> 00:22:11,378
with The Scream, I said,
469
00:22:11,465 --> 00:22:13,424
"Hey, Dad, what did you think?"
470
00:22:13,511 --> 00:22:17,341
And he goes, "You really
used the F word a lot."
471
00:22:20,996 --> 00:22:24,435
♪ Man in the moon ♪
472
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,536
[crowd cheering]
473
00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,714
[intense synth music]
474
00:22:42,801 --> 00:22:46,195
[crowd chants]
Vixen! Vixen!
475
00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,502
Vixen! Vixen!
476
00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:50,286
Vixen!
477
00:22:50,374 --> 00:22:53,594
Vixen! Vixen!
478
00:22:55,379 --> 00:22:58,991
It was everything that you
would ever dream it would be
479
00:22:59,078 --> 00:22:59,905
and more.
480
00:23:03,038 --> 00:23:05,519
We definitely got
a lot of press.
481
00:23:05,606 --> 00:23:07,782
We got a lot of magazines,
482
00:23:07,869 --> 00:23:09,871
a lot of features,
a lot of covers.
483
00:23:09,958 --> 00:23:12,483
[all] We're live, so call us!
484
00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:15,311
Power 95 FM.
It's Hollywood here along with Vixen.
485
00:23:15,399 --> 00:23:17,836
[Janet] Lots of interviews.
Every day on the road,
486
00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:19,664
we were doing some
sort of interview.
487
00:23:19,751 --> 00:23:22,449
And a lot of 'em had
pretty much the same questions.
488
00:23:22,536 --> 00:23:23,972
[caller] How do you guys feel
489
00:23:24,059 --> 00:23:26,105
being an all-female rock band
490
00:23:26,192 --> 00:23:30,065
in a male dominated
rock music industry?
491
00:23:30,152 --> 00:23:32,111
Power 95.
492
00:23:32,198 --> 00:23:33,721
[caller] Yeah, what do
you guys think about
493
00:23:33,808 --> 00:23:36,594
the stereotypes that
women, you know,
494
00:23:36,681 --> 00:23:38,465
can't be rock and rollers?
495
00:23:38,552 --> 00:23:39,423
It's not true!
496
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:40,598
Yeah, obviously,
497
00:23:40,685 --> 00:23:42,600
we're not a big fan of that.
498
00:23:42,687 --> 00:23:43,818
[laughing]
499
00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:45,516
What's it like to be a girl?
500
00:23:47,213 --> 00:23:50,825
What's it like to be
a girl with a guitar?
501
00:23:50,912 --> 00:23:53,219
Well, they're great
instrumental players.
502
00:23:53,306 --> 00:23:55,134
They got great voices
and everything,
503
00:23:55,221 --> 00:23:57,876
but they're also hot.
- [interviewer] Sex sells.
504
00:23:57,963 --> 00:23:59,399
Yeah.
- That's what it is.
505
00:23:59,486 --> 00:24:00,574
That's the way it goes.
506
00:24:00,661 --> 00:24:01,706
[Janet] For us, we tried to,
507
00:24:01,793 --> 00:24:03,229
as much as we could,
508
00:24:03,316 --> 00:24:05,361
ignore the fact
that we were female.
509
00:24:05,449 --> 00:24:09,061
♪ I want you to
rock me, roll me ♪
510
00:24:09,148 --> 00:24:11,324
♪ You gotta control me ♪
511
00:24:11,411 --> 00:24:13,021
♪ Rock me ♪
- [reporter] Girl band.
512
00:24:13,108 --> 00:24:14,545
That's what the music
industry chooses to call
513
00:24:14,632 --> 00:24:17,069
an all-woman rock
and roll group.
514
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,811
Belittling, yes,
but surprising, no.
515
00:24:19,898 --> 00:24:21,856
Remember, this is the
industry that uses women
516
00:24:21,943 --> 00:24:24,816
as sex objects in music videos.
517
00:24:24,903 --> 00:24:27,427
♪ She's my cherry pie ♪
518
00:24:27,514 --> 00:24:30,343
♪ Cool drink of water,
such a sweet surprise ♪
519
00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:33,520
[Janet] In looking at some of
the videos from back then,
520
00:24:33,607 --> 00:24:37,872
there was a lot of objectifying
of women and blatant.
521
00:24:37,959 --> 00:24:42,398
It was commonplace and
as girls that sucked.
522
00:24:42,486 --> 00:24:44,357
["Girls, Girls, Girls"
by Moötley Cruüe plays]
523
00:24:44,444 --> 00:24:46,838
[Wayne] Girls, Girls, Girls.
Who else would go,
524
00:24:46,925 --> 00:24:48,622
"Now it's like, I'm gonna
go from every strip club
525
00:24:48,709 --> 00:24:51,016
in Hollywood on the
back of our motorcycles."
526
00:24:51,103 --> 00:24:52,496
You know, that shit
doesn't go down now.
527
00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:55,499
♪ Girls, girls, girls ♪
528
00:24:55,586 --> 00:24:59,154
♪ Dancing down on
the Sunset Strip ♪
529
00:24:59,241 --> 00:25:01,461
Excuse me, I'm not a
groupie or anything
530
00:25:01,548 --> 00:25:03,332
and I've never asked
for this before,
531
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:04,420
but...
- Mm-hmm.
532
00:25:04,508 --> 00:25:06,248
[woman whispering]
533
00:25:06,335 --> 00:25:07,598
So what do you want?
534
00:25:07,685 --> 00:25:09,948
Ooh, let me tell
you what I want.
535
00:25:10,035 --> 00:25:13,125
[rock music playing]
536
00:25:14,953 --> 00:25:16,868
[Vicky] The way that men
treated women
537
00:25:16,955 --> 00:25:19,261
in the eighties was
really terrible.
538
00:25:21,394 --> 00:25:25,964
They viewed women as
nurses and secretaries
539
00:25:26,051 --> 00:25:29,358
and whores, basically.
540
00:25:29,445 --> 00:25:34,015
Bands survived off of
strippers and prostitutes.
541
00:25:34,102 --> 00:25:38,150
[acoustic music playing]
542
00:25:38,237 --> 00:25:41,588
[Janet] For us, it was just
really important
543
00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:43,677
to get the message across.
544
00:25:43,764 --> 00:25:45,113
You don't have to
be one of those.
545
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,941
You don't have to be in a cage.
546
00:25:47,028 --> 00:25:49,161
You don't have to swing
around the stripper pole.
547
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:52,120
You don't have to
take your clothes off.
548
00:25:52,207 --> 00:25:55,515
You can be part of it.
You can be part of the music.
549
00:25:55,602 --> 00:25:56,908
♪ Yeah yeah ♪
550
00:25:56,995 --> 00:25:59,214
♪ Oh whoa ♪
551
00:26:03,610 --> 00:26:05,873
[acoustic song ending]
552
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,963
[audience cheering]
553
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,795
Thank you.
554
00:26:18,712 --> 00:26:21,541
[clicking]
555
00:26:21,628 --> 00:26:24,718
[cassette tape whirring]
556
00:26:24,805 --> 00:26:26,459
[cassette tape stops]
557
00:26:26,546 --> 00:26:30,506
[cassette tape plays]
558
00:26:30,594 --> 00:26:32,552
[interviewer] Okay, let's get
real basic and direct here.
559
00:26:32,639 --> 00:26:35,773
What do you think of sex
in music videos today?
560
00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:37,557
[softly chuckles]
Well, I think...
561
00:26:37,644 --> 00:26:41,866
♪ classical music plays ♪
562
00:26:41,953 --> 00:26:44,695
[Tipper] Auditory pornography,
visual pornography,
563
00:26:44,782 --> 00:26:49,264
the extreme violence,
I don't think it's very healthy.
564
00:26:49,351 --> 00:26:51,440
[Craig] When you get
into the 1980s
565
00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:54,487
any sense of subtlety
goes out the window.
566
00:26:54,574 --> 00:26:56,532
This is what our kids are
looking at for entertainment?
567
00:26:56,620 --> 00:26:58,404
Yes.
568
00:26:58,491 --> 00:27:00,449
These bands do look like
they were waiting for,
569
00:27:00,536 --> 00:27:03,278
[Craig] you know, Reagan's
version of Armageddon.
570
00:27:03,365 --> 00:27:06,281
The reaction to it is
totally predictable.
571
00:27:06,368 --> 00:27:09,241
Viewing violence
desensitizes people
572
00:27:09,328 --> 00:27:12,157
or increases an appetite for--
573
00:27:12,244 --> 00:27:13,724
[Craig] I guess the difference
574
00:27:13,811 --> 00:27:15,813
is that they actually
took it to Congress.
575
00:27:18,859 --> 00:27:23,211
[Dee] The conservatives decided
to rate rock records.
576
00:27:23,298 --> 00:27:27,520
This was a crack in
the First Amendment.
577
00:27:27,607 --> 00:27:31,350
The call came in to testify
for the Senate hearing.
578
00:27:31,437 --> 00:27:34,788
I thought I was being asked
to carry the flag into battle.
579
00:27:34,875 --> 00:27:37,704
"Dee, we want you
to lead the armies,
580
00:27:37,791 --> 00:27:40,489
the rock roll
armies into battle."
581
00:27:40,576 --> 00:27:42,187
Hell fucking yeah.
582
00:27:44,058 --> 00:27:47,453
They really thought they were
gonna make a fool out of me.
583
00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:49,585
You really should have
vetted me a lot better.
584
00:27:49,673 --> 00:27:54,242
[rock music playing]
585
00:27:54,329 --> 00:27:57,681
Whoa. I don't know how
I walked with balls that big.
586
00:27:57,768 --> 00:27:59,595
I was in my twenties.
587
00:27:59,683 --> 00:28:03,077
Like, "Yeah, I'm gonna
school you motherfuckers."
588
00:28:03,164 --> 00:28:05,297
[rock music continues]
589
00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:06,602
My speech...
590
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:07,603
It always came out
591
00:28:07,691 --> 00:28:08,648
of the back pocket
592
00:28:08,735 --> 00:28:09,780
like a bad kid's homework.
593
00:28:11,042 --> 00:28:14,393
[rock music continues]
594
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:18,353
The beauty of literature,
poetry and music
595
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,094
is that they leave
room for the audience
596
00:28:20,181 --> 00:28:22,662
to put its own
imagination, experiences,
597
00:28:22,749 --> 00:28:24,620
and dreams into the words.
598
00:28:24,708 --> 00:28:27,014
I'm tired of running
into kids on the street
599
00:28:27,101 --> 00:28:29,625
who tell me that they can't
play our records anymore
600
00:28:29,713 --> 00:28:31,889
because of the misinformation
their parents are being fed
601
00:28:31,976 --> 00:28:34,239
on TV and in the newspapers.
602
00:28:34,326 --> 00:28:36,894
We cannot allow
this to continue.
603
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,288
[senate speaker]
Thank you very much--
604
00:28:40,375 --> 00:28:42,160
As it turned out,
605
00:28:42,247 --> 00:28:44,423
I was the only one
standing out in the battlefield
606
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:45,816
and it wasn't my
flag I had my hand,
607
00:28:45,903 --> 00:28:46,860
it was my dick.
608
00:28:48,514 --> 00:28:50,821
They had agreed
to a rating system
609
00:28:50,908 --> 00:28:52,736
before we entered the room.
610
00:28:52,823 --> 00:28:54,346
What version did you buy?
611
00:28:54,433 --> 00:28:55,347
I bought the one
with the explicit lyrics on it.
612
00:28:55,434 --> 00:28:57,653
[crowd cheering]
613
00:28:57,741 --> 00:29:00,395
[Dee] Not a day goes by that
somebody does not walk up
614
00:29:00,482 --> 00:29:02,354
to me on the street and
shake my hand and say,
615
00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:06,271
"Thank you for your testimony."
616
00:29:06,358 --> 00:29:08,403
It's taught about
in colleges now,
617
00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:11,406
anytime censorship is discussed.
618
00:29:11,493 --> 00:29:15,410
[senate speaker] Mr. Snider,
what is the name of your fan club?
619
00:29:15,497 --> 00:29:18,500
It's called the SMF
friends of Twisted Sister.
620
00:29:18,587 --> 00:29:22,504
And what does SMF stand for?
- It stands for the--
621
00:29:22,591 --> 00:29:26,595
I got to say "sick motherfucker"
in a senate hearing.
622
00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:28,119
[laughing jovially]
623
00:29:28,206 --> 00:29:30,774
Hello, welcome to the
Rip offices, dude.
624
00:29:30,861 --> 00:29:32,558
Right here, in my hometown.
625
00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:34,299
So, what's new?
626
00:29:34,386 --> 00:29:36,910
There's a lot of stuff
happening to rock bands.
627
00:29:36,997 --> 00:29:39,217
Members are falling out,
members are coming in.
628
00:29:39,304 --> 00:29:42,089
I've been telling you what's
happening with Moötley Cruüe.
629
00:29:42,176 --> 00:29:45,136
Moötley Cruüe announced last
week that it had parted company
630
00:29:45,223 --> 00:29:46,311
with its lead singer
of Vince Neal,
631
00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:48,574
after eleven years
and six albums together.
632
00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:52,491
[Lonn] As far as Moötley Cruüe
goes, the great bands go on.
633
00:29:52,578 --> 00:29:56,451
They are auditioning new
singers and the Cruüe will live,
634
00:29:56,538 --> 00:29:59,324
trust me.
635
00:29:59,411 --> 00:30:01,282
[John] Our band The Scream
636
00:30:01,369 --> 00:30:03,415
were getting
a lot of great reviews,
637
00:30:03,502 --> 00:30:05,199
a lot of great press.
638
00:30:06,374 --> 00:30:09,290
We were finishing up
this leg of a tour
639
00:30:09,377 --> 00:30:12,859
and this fan gave me a magazine.
640
00:30:12,946 --> 00:30:15,296
Nikki Sixx, he was on the cover.
641
00:30:16,994 --> 00:30:18,909
Nikki went on this rant
642
00:30:18,996 --> 00:30:22,347
about how great our band was.
643
00:30:22,434 --> 00:30:27,352
I called their management
company and thanked Nikki
644
00:30:27,439 --> 00:30:30,834
for speaking so
highly of the band.
645
00:30:30,921 --> 00:30:32,357
I hang the phone up,
646
00:30:32,444 --> 00:30:36,056
I literally walk towards my door
647
00:30:36,143 --> 00:30:39,320
to grab my guitar and
I start walking out the door
648
00:30:39,407 --> 00:30:41,366
and the phone rings.
- [phone ringing]
649
00:30:41,453 --> 00:30:43,716
So I grab the thing
and I go, "Hello?"
650
00:30:43,803 --> 00:30:46,066
And I hear, "Dude!
651
00:30:46,153 --> 00:30:48,939
It's Tommy Lee."
652
00:30:49,026 --> 00:30:51,767
And then in the background,
I can hear Nikki,
653
00:30:51,855 --> 00:30:54,553
"Hey, dude, Nikki Sixx.
654
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,123
We love your band.
Love your voice. Vince is out."
655
00:30:59,210 --> 00:31:02,474
They were talking
to some singers.
656
00:31:02,561 --> 00:31:06,695
"We'd love for you to come down
and jam with us."
657
00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:09,220
Check this out, dude,
I'm sure they're in here.
658
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,313
[John] I walked into this
massive room.
659
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,230
It was just like mind boggling.
660
00:31:19,317 --> 00:31:22,886
The band's there, all their
wives are sitting at the table.
661
00:31:22,973 --> 00:31:25,410
I was just happy to
meet Heather Locklear.
662
00:31:25,497 --> 00:31:29,501
And all these guys in
suits are against the wall.
663
00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:32,373
When John came into
audition, he, you know
664
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:33,461
we were looking for a singer.
665
00:31:33,548 --> 00:31:34,898
He came in and like strapped
666
00:31:34,985 --> 00:31:36,073
on a guitar, you know
667
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:36,987
and we were like,
668
00:31:37,074 --> 00:31:38,553
"Whoa, what's going on?"
669
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,424
You know?
670
00:31:40,729 --> 00:31:43,254
[John] I didn't know
if I was bombing
671
00:31:43,341 --> 00:31:48,215
or if I was kicking ass because
we never finished a song.
672
00:31:49,347 --> 00:31:53,394
All the girls got up,
shook my hand.
673
00:31:53,481 --> 00:31:57,137
All the guys came over
and shook my hand.
674
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:01,663
And Tommy said, "Hey, dude,
675
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:04,057
doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure this out.
676
00:32:04,144 --> 00:32:05,363
Welcome to the Cruüe."
677
00:32:07,147 --> 00:32:10,237
[guitar playing]
678
00:32:10,324 --> 00:32:12,544
And they were
like, "Okay, dude."
679
00:32:12,631 --> 00:32:16,243
Every day, all day.
24/7 Moötley.
680
00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:18,245
[crowd cheering]
681
00:32:18,332 --> 00:32:22,162
We got a brand new lead singer,
Mr. John Corabi here.
682
00:32:22,249 --> 00:32:25,252
[audience cheering]
683
00:32:26,601 --> 00:32:28,299
[John] When you're in a band,
684
00:32:28,386 --> 00:32:33,260
you're making 250 bucks
a week, 300 bucks a week.
685
00:32:33,347 --> 00:32:37,308
You've got a family and
one of the biggest bands
686
00:32:37,395 --> 00:32:41,703
in the world says we want you.
687
00:32:43,531 --> 00:32:44,532
What would you do?
688
00:32:46,926 --> 00:32:50,538
My son had just got
diagnosed with diabetes
689
00:32:50,625 --> 00:32:53,193
and my mom was
diagnosed with cancer
690
00:32:54,629 --> 00:32:56,022
and I was offered
the Moötley gig.
691
00:33:00,331 --> 00:33:02,855
My dad called, he goes,
"How's that new band
692
00:33:02,942 --> 00:33:05,684
coming along,
the Moötley Cruües?"
693
00:33:05,771 --> 00:33:08,469
And I'm like,
"I think it's really cool, Dad.
694
00:33:08,556 --> 00:33:11,603
This could be the band
that breaks for me."
695
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:15,128
And my dad he was
smoking a cigarette
696
00:33:15,215 --> 00:33:17,043
on the other end of the phone,
I could hear him
697
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,653
smoking a cigarette. He goes,
698
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:21,395
"Ship's finally coming in, huh?"
699
00:33:21,482 --> 00:33:24,529
I go, "Yep.
I really believe it."
700
00:33:24,616 --> 00:33:28,968
He goes... [inhales deeply]
"Okay, well,
701
00:33:29,055 --> 00:33:30,274
if your ship's coming in,
702
00:33:30,361 --> 00:33:32,319
don't be
at the fucking airport."
703
00:33:32,406 --> 00:33:35,192
[airplane engine whirs]
704
00:33:38,282 --> 00:33:42,242
[crowd screaming]
705
00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:44,418
[Snake] We had played two nights
with Guns N' Roses
706
00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:45,550
in Wembley Stadium.
707
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:49,162
[crowd cheering]
708
00:33:49,249 --> 00:33:52,165
It was everything that you could
709
00:33:52,252 --> 00:33:54,254
possibly wish for and more.
710
00:33:54,341 --> 00:33:58,302
[acoustic guitars playing]
711
00:34:06,179 --> 00:34:08,573
I love when I come out here--
712
00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:10,749
[Snake] On stage,
Sebastian goes,
713
00:34:10,836 --> 00:34:12,664
"You know what?
This is like the best-- "
714
00:34:12,751 --> 00:34:16,494
Best summer of our whole
fucking lives, man.
715
00:34:16,581 --> 00:34:19,148
[guitars strumming]
- [crowd cheering]
716
00:34:19,236 --> 00:34:20,454
I almost could agree with him.
717
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,326
Almost.
718
00:34:22,413 --> 00:34:25,285
[screaming loudly]
719
00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:33,554
♪ Through the sleepless
nights ♪
720
00:34:33,641 --> 00:34:35,208
♪ To every endless day ♪
721
00:34:35,295 --> 00:34:37,253
[Snake] Through
the number one records
722
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:39,169
and these sold out tours,
723
00:34:39,256 --> 00:34:42,693
at the end of the day,
I'm back staring at a ceiling
724
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,044
in the bunk of our bus,
725
00:34:45,131 --> 00:34:48,134
going, "I don't know
if I wanna wake up tomorrow."
726
00:34:49,353 --> 00:34:52,269
♪ I remember you ♪
727
00:34:55,794 --> 00:35:00,103
[Snake] It was this
underlying feeling
728
00:35:00,190 --> 00:35:05,717
that had been with me since
I was six, seven years old
729
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:07,153
of despair...
730
00:35:08,763 --> 00:35:11,679
and worthlessness
731
00:35:11,766 --> 00:35:14,900
and no self-esteem.
732
00:35:14,987 --> 00:35:18,121
That separation of the
guy who's in Skid Row,
733
00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:21,298
the guitar player,
the songwriter, Snake.
734
00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,213
And then there's this other kid
735
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:27,652
who is awash in this depression.
736
00:35:31,308 --> 00:35:32,831
Why is this happening to me?
737
00:35:34,528 --> 00:35:37,270
[eerie sounds]
738
00:35:45,974 --> 00:35:47,019
[cassette tape playing]
739
00:35:47,106 --> 00:35:48,107
[Vicky] In the beginning,
740
00:35:48,194 --> 00:35:51,676
Poison was very charming
741
00:35:51,763 --> 00:35:54,461
and fun to be around.
742
00:35:54,548 --> 00:35:58,465
As time went on,
Bret and I fought.
743
00:35:58,552 --> 00:36:00,772
They wanted money.
744
00:36:00,859 --> 00:36:04,123
I got some rich guys to put
some money into the band
745
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:06,734
but it was never like enough.
746
00:36:06,821 --> 00:36:10,173
There was a concert
at the country club.
747
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:12,218
At the end of the night
we went to like get paid
748
00:36:12,305 --> 00:36:13,567
at the box office
and they were like,
749
00:36:13,654 --> 00:36:16,266
"No, Bobby came
and got the money."
750
00:36:16,353 --> 00:36:18,964
We walked back behind
the country club
751
00:36:19,051 --> 00:36:21,967
and Brett was back there
752
00:36:22,054 --> 00:36:25,275
with his fan club
and they were chanting,
753
00:36:25,362 --> 00:36:28,582
"Fuck management.
Fuck management."
754
00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:31,803
And I ended up
selling his contract.
755
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,765
I could have probably made
some money if I hung in there
756
00:36:37,852 --> 00:36:38,984
with him, but...
757
00:36:41,856 --> 00:36:43,162
you know, life's too short.
758
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:48,994
I ended up taking a job at
Silver Lining Entertainment
759
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:51,997
and I was an agent
for a moment and...
760
00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:53,607
[phone ringing]
761
00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:55,957
I got a call one day.
- [phone ringing]
762
00:36:56,044 --> 00:36:59,265
The kid said, "You come
highly recommended."
763
00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:00,919
"Okay, well send me a tape,"
764
00:37:01,006 --> 00:37:04,792
"Can't I just, like,
bring you a tape?"
765
00:37:04,879 --> 00:37:07,142
A couple hours later,
766
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:10,407
Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin
walk in.
767
00:37:10,494 --> 00:37:13,236
Nothing very rock
starish about them.
768
00:37:13,888 --> 00:37:16,848
["Shadow of Your Love" playing]
769
00:37:18,502 --> 00:37:20,895
They fired up with
"Shadow of Your Love".
770
00:37:20,982 --> 00:37:22,941
♪ And I'm standing ♪
771
00:37:23,028 --> 00:37:26,640
♪ No, I'm not standing in
the shadow of your love ♪
772
00:37:26,727 --> 00:37:29,991
♪ Shadow of your love ♪
773
00:37:30,078 --> 00:37:32,385
[Vicky] There was something
different about Guns N' Roses
774
00:37:32,472 --> 00:37:35,040
than the Poisons
and the Warrants
775
00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:38,826
and the glammy bands that
were hitting the scene.
776
00:37:38,913 --> 00:37:40,567
It felt dangerous.
777
00:37:40,654 --> 00:37:44,832
So I booked them sight
unseen at Music Machine
778
00:37:44,919 --> 00:37:46,791
with Black Sheep.
779
00:37:46,878 --> 00:37:49,924
And at that point in time
Slash was in Black Sheep.
780
00:37:50,011 --> 00:37:54,712
We ran an ad for a heavy
metal punk glam guitarist,
781
00:37:54,799 --> 00:37:57,105
blues influenced...
[chuckles lightly]
782
00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:59,847
and Slash showed up
and we said, "Nah."
783
00:37:59,934 --> 00:38:02,023
But he kept popping up
everywhere we were at.
784
00:38:02,110 --> 00:38:06,550
[Vicky] Like this slow mo
moment of like introducing Axl
785
00:38:06,637 --> 00:38:08,465
to Slash and they shook hands.
786
00:38:08,552 --> 00:38:11,250
[both chuckling]
787
00:38:11,337 --> 00:38:12,556
[Vicky] Guns N' Roses didn't
really draw
788
00:38:12,643 --> 00:38:14,558
very well initially, you know?
789
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:18,866
Like the first
few shows, 20, 30 people.
790
00:38:18,953 --> 00:38:22,566
They didn't have two
nickels to rub together.
791
00:38:22,653 --> 00:38:24,698
One day, Slash calls up
and says,
792
00:38:24,785 --> 00:38:26,874
"Can we come stay at your place?
793
00:38:28,702 --> 00:38:30,748
I had just moved
into this apartment,
794
00:38:30,835 --> 00:38:34,882
I didn't even have
a refrigerator yet.
795
00:38:34,969 --> 00:38:36,710
"Well, if I let you
guys come and stay,
796
00:38:36,797 --> 00:38:39,060
I wanna be the
manager of the band.
797
00:38:39,147 --> 00:38:40,671
And he said, "Okay."
798
00:38:40,758 --> 00:38:44,414
So, [chuckling] that was
the way I cut the deal.
799
00:38:46,198 --> 00:38:50,333
[rock song playing]
800
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:53,292
It was complete insanity.
801
00:38:53,379 --> 00:38:56,861
[rock music playing]
802
00:38:56,948 --> 00:38:59,864
Purple black hair dye
all over the walls
803
00:38:59,951 --> 00:39:02,997
from D and Slash dyeing
their hair black.
804
00:39:03,084 --> 00:39:05,086
Mound of cigarette butts
805
00:39:05,173 --> 00:39:08,263
like burning at the table.
806
00:39:08,351 --> 00:39:10,962
The Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame tried to get it for me.
807
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:13,878
[laughing] I still have it.
808
00:39:13,965 --> 00:39:17,185
Well, I put up with it
for a couple of reasons.
809
00:39:17,272 --> 00:39:19,449
A, I was the
manager of the band.
810
00:39:19,536 --> 00:39:23,366
B, I wanted to keep
an eye on them.
811
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:25,716
Though I was drinking
812
00:39:25,803 --> 00:39:29,110
and partying as much
as the bands.
813
00:39:29,197 --> 00:39:31,199
The night of the
Troubadour show,
814
00:39:31,286 --> 00:39:35,029
I had invited like
20 A & R people.
815
00:39:36,466 --> 00:39:38,642
I turned around at one point
816
00:39:38,729 --> 00:39:43,168
and I saw all these A & R
people walking out the door.
817
00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:45,736
They said,
"It's so loud in there,
818
00:39:45,823 --> 00:39:47,172
I can't stand in there
anymore."
819
00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:48,695
So I was like, "Oh man."
820
00:39:50,393 --> 00:39:53,483
I've got tapes in my purse,
so I'm handing out tapes.
821
00:39:55,441 --> 00:39:58,313
And Tom Zutaut was
standing there, he goes,
822
00:39:58,401 --> 00:39:59,402
"Can that guy sing?"
823
00:39:59,489 --> 00:40:01,142
And I was like, "Absolutely.
824
00:40:01,229 --> 00:40:02,579
He's a really good singer."
825
00:40:02,666 --> 00:40:04,145
And he goes,
"If that guy can sing,
826
00:40:04,232 --> 00:40:05,625
I'll sign him."
827
00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:09,499
I really thought,
"This is it." You know?
828
00:40:09,586 --> 00:40:12,240
I'm gonna really get mine.
829
00:40:13,241 --> 00:40:14,939
A paycheck sounded good to me
830
00:40:15,026 --> 00:40:19,204
because I somehow always
managed to not get that.
831
00:40:20,901 --> 00:40:23,469
Every label in town
was calling me.
832
00:40:23,556 --> 00:40:27,865
We had, I think there was seven
labels looking at us, right?
833
00:40:27,952 --> 00:40:30,911
[Vicky] There was a bidding
war for the band.
834
00:40:33,523 --> 00:40:35,263
Asked to like, meet them.
835
00:40:36,395 --> 00:40:38,571
Everybody was trying
to get this band
836
00:40:38,658 --> 00:40:40,660
but somehow I came home one day
837
00:40:40,747 --> 00:40:43,881
and he was in my
living room with Axl.
838
00:40:43,968 --> 00:40:47,101
And then the next thing I knew,
he was signing the band.
839
00:40:47,188 --> 00:40:49,321
[Slash] So, what we did was
we signed our deal
840
00:40:49,408 --> 00:40:52,019
on our own, you know, we said
this is what we want to do.
841
00:40:52,106 --> 00:40:53,673
We don't care if we--
842
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,370
[Vicky] We went down to
Geffen Records
843
00:40:55,458 --> 00:40:56,589
and signed the contract.
844
00:40:57,808 --> 00:40:59,636
I took the advance check
845
00:40:59,723 --> 00:41:02,290
and put it on the
copy machine at Geffen
846
00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:06,686
and made that copy that
said Stash instead of Slash.
847
00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:10,037
That was it, you know?
848
00:41:11,691 --> 00:41:14,433
I did not see any
of that advance.
849
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,741
Axl took me to the Rainbow
and we had dinner one night
850
00:41:17,828 --> 00:41:20,613
and he's like,
"I don't know if I can see you
851
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:22,789
being the manager
for this band."
852
00:41:22,876 --> 00:41:25,357
A few members of the
band thought they
853
00:41:25,444 --> 00:41:27,838
needed a male manager,
854
00:41:27,925 --> 00:41:30,754
but they didn't really take
women seriously as managers
855
00:41:30,841 --> 00:41:34,279
and there weren't a lot of
women managers in the eighties.
856
00:41:38,501 --> 00:41:41,416
I had borrowed $20,000
857
00:41:41,504 --> 00:41:44,245
for gear and equipment
858
00:41:44,332 --> 00:41:47,161
and clothes.
859
00:41:47,248 --> 00:41:49,773
When they didn't pay me,
860
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:52,036
I sued them.
861
00:41:52,123 --> 00:41:55,126
It was a very ballsy
move on my behalf
862
00:41:55,213 --> 00:42:00,044
but I wasn't gonna be
stuck owing the $20,000
863
00:42:00,131 --> 00:42:02,307
on top of not getting anything
864
00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:05,484
for letting them live with me,
booking their shows.
865
00:42:06,485 --> 00:42:08,313
It was heart-wrenching.
866
00:42:09,836 --> 00:42:13,448
I'm still recovering
from that, okay?
867
00:42:13,536 --> 00:42:15,799
Geffen Records paid half of it
868
00:42:15,886 --> 00:42:17,627
and Guns N' Roses
paid half of it.
869
00:42:19,106 --> 00:42:22,153
I went into therapy.
870
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,069
It came to this point where
I just kept saying to myself,
871
00:42:25,156 --> 00:42:29,073
"Why, why, why?
Why did this go down like this?"
872
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,684
I was tired of
doing all this work
873
00:42:31,771 --> 00:42:34,469
and not getting anything for it.
874
00:42:43,304 --> 00:42:45,306
[cassette player clicking]
875
00:42:45,393 --> 00:42:48,701
[tape rolling]
876
00:42:48,788 --> 00:42:51,095
[clicking]
877
00:42:51,182 --> 00:42:52,836
[Janet] All right.
- [Roxy] Okay, ready?
878
00:42:52,923 --> 00:42:55,055
Yeah. - [all] We got a
new single coming out.
879
00:42:55,142 --> 00:42:58,145
You don't know it.
You're gonna love it.
880
00:42:58,232 --> 00:43:00,757
Roxy has had it.
881
00:43:00,844 --> 00:43:02,802
Out!
- I said new video.
882
00:43:02,889 --> 00:43:05,239
[all] We got a new
single coming out.
883
00:43:05,326 --> 00:43:06,414
You don't know it.
884
00:43:06,501 --> 00:43:07,633
You're gonna love it.
885
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:08,721
Crying.
886
00:43:08,808 --> 00:43:10,027
Trust us.
887
00:43:10,114 --> 00:43:11,550
Trust me, trust me.
888
00:43:11,637 --> 00:43:13,639
Trust these faces, come on.
889
00:43:13,726 --> 00:43:15,598
[Janet] We came off
a bunch of touring,
890
00:43:15,685 --> 00:43:19,384
so we were super,
super tight as a band.
891
00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:23,127
Everybody was just
really ready to roll.
892
00:43:23,214 --> 00:43:25,085
[rock music]
893
00:43:25,172 --> 00:43:27,218
When we went in to
shoot the second video,
894
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:29,307
the "Crying" video,
895
00:43:29,394 --> 00:43:33,398
I was supposed to wear this
little midriff showing thing.
896
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:34,921
I was really nervous about that,
897
00:43:35,008 --> 00:43:38,316
so I didn't eat anything
for about four days.
898
00:43:38,403 --> 00:43:43,060
♪ One look and I saw
what I wanted to see ♪
899
00:43:43,147 --> 00:43:45,584
[Janet] Not only was I wired
from not sleeping
900
00:43:45,671 --> 00:43:48,326
because I was starving myself,
901
00:43:48,413 --> 00:43:51,895
we had to perform way up
on this big high thing.
902
00:43:51,982 --> 00:43:54,332
I could have easily
fallen to my death.
903
00:43:56,464 --> 00:43:58,902
But better to fall to your death
904
00:43:58,989 --> 00:44:01,774
than have a fat stomach
show in the music video.
905
00:44:01,861 --> 00:44:03,689
[laughing]
906
00:44:03,776 --> 00:44:05,648
[crowd cheering]
907
00:44:05,735 --> 00:44:09,347
We went on tour in
Europe with Deep Purple,
908
00:44:09,434 --> 00:44:10,957
which was amazing.
909
00:44:11,044 --> 00:44:13,873
♪ Got an angel on
the left hand ♪
910
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,180
♪ And a devil on the right ♪
911
00:44:16,267 --> 00:44:19,052
We would talk to our
manager once in a while
912
00:44:19,139 --> 00:44:21,664
and he started acting
a little weird.
913
00:44:21,751 --> 00:44:23,622
We weren't getting our
questions answered, you know,
914
00:44:23,709 --> 00:44:25,668
"How's it going back there?
915
00:44:25,755 --> 00:44:29,323
We're kicking ass out here.
How's it going?"
916
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:32,239
And we would get kind of weird
answers, "Well you know..."
917
00:44:34,372 --> 00:44:36,635
Vagueness.
918
00:44:36,722 --> 00:44:40,247
Eventually, of course,
we went home
919
00:44:40,334 --> 00:44:42,641
and discovered that
the record was dead.
920
00:44:42,728 --> 00:44:45,296
The album was dead in the water.
921
00:44:45,383 --> 00:44:48,038
The music scene had completely
922
00:44:48,125 --> 00:44:51,258
turned over onto its head.
923
00:44:51,345 --> 00:44:52,738
♪ My, my my ♪
924
00:44:52,825 --> 00:44:54,348
[Lonn] In the late eighties,
925
00:44:54,435 --> 00:44:55,698
there was such a frenzy
926
00:44:55,785 --> 00:44:58,613
to get a piece of
927
00:44:58,701 --> 00:45:00,920
this enormous pie
928
00:45:01,007 --> 00:45:04,445
that the big bands had, had,
had opened up to be sliced.
929
00:45:04,532 --> 00:45:06,709
♪ Unskinny bop ♪
930
00:45:06,796 --> 00:45:09,233
♪ Just blows me away ♪
931
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,149
You get this fallout
of all these groups
932
00:45:12,236 --> 00:45:15,587
that are just trying
to ride the wave.
933
00:45:15,674 --> 00:45:18,329
'Cause it was a tsunami.
934
00:45:18,416 --> 00:45:20,157
It was...
935
00:45:20,244 --> 00:45:24,683
♪ I'm praying on
your soul to keep ♪
936
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:28,208
[Katherine] Most of these rock
bands of the eighties
937
00:45:28,295 --> 00:45:30,471
had front men, guitar heroes.
938
00:45:30,558 --> 00:45:32,473
They were rock stars.
939
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,346
When people started moving
to LA after they saw success
940
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:37,522
of early bands,
they came to be rock stars,
941
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:39,480
not to be musicians.
942
00:45:39,567 --> 00:45:42,309
♪ One in a million ♪
943
00:45:42,396 --> 00:45:44,572
[Katherine] But then it just
became oversaturated
944
00:45:44,659 --> 00:45:47,314
with every band moving from
every state with no talent.
945
00:45:47,401 --> 00:45:50,578
All they wanted to be was
famous and part of the party.
946
00:45:50,665 --> 00:45:54,234
♪ Girl school ♪
947
00:45:54,321 --> 00:45:57,107
♪ 'Cause my baby
broke all the rules ♪
948
00:45:57,194 --> 00:45:59,196
[Jonathan] The culture always
starts in the underground, right?
949
00:45:59,283 --> 00:46:01,241
But once you become
the establishment,
950
00:46:01,328 --> 00:46:02,677
you're the establishment.
951
00:46:02,765 --> 00:46:07,770
♪ Can you take me high enough ♪
952
00:46:08,335 --> 00:46:09,902
By the end of the eighties
953
00:46:09,989 --> 00:46:14,254
it was such a bad Xerox of
what had come before it.
954
00:46:14,341 --> 00:46:15,690
People were just done with it.
955
00:46:15,778 --> 00:46:17,910
♪ You've got to fly ♪
956
00:46:17,997 --> 00:46:20,783
[Janet] All of a sudden,
all of these bands...
957
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:25,135
[various rock song playing]
958
00:46:25,222 --> 00:46:27,615
Were pretty much
in the garbage can.
959
00:46:29,443 --> 00:46:30,836
Yuck.
960
00:46:30,923 --> 00:46:31,924
♪ More than words ♪
961
00:46:32,011 --> 00:46:33,883
[Janet] The scene was dying.
962
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:37,234
[rock music]
963
00:46:37,321 --> 00:46:39,540
There was just nothing
new coming out.
964
00:46:39,627 --> 00:46:41,281
[singer screaming]
965
00:46:41,368 --> 00:46:44,894
[Vicky] There were
so many glam bands.
966
00:46:44,981 --> 00:46:47,853
Every record label had
two or three of them.
967
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:51,596
One after the other,
a little glammier than the next.
968
00:46:51,683 --> 00:46:56,253
♪ I'll never look
into your blue eyes ♪
969
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:59,604
There needed to be
something different.
970
00:47:00,692 --> 00:47:02,346
Are we ready for that story?
- [interviewer] Oh, yes.
971
00:47:02,433 --> 00:47:03,869
[laughing] Okay.
972
00:47:03,956 --> 00:47:07,351
[indistinct crowd chattering]
973
00:47:07,438 --> 00:47:10,441
[Katherine] Something new
and a reaction
974
00:47:10,528 --> 00:47:13,748
to the over the topness of
hair metal had to come in.
975
00:47:14,837 --> 00:47:16,142
[Vicky] And then there
started hearing
976
00:47:16,229 --> 00:47:19,145
that there's a lot
going on in Seattle.
977
00:47:19,232 --> 00:47:22,148
[Kurt] The song is called
"Smells Like Teen Spirit".
978
00:47:22,235 --> 00:47:25,238
[intro to "Smells Life
Teen Spirit" playing]
979
00:47:25,325 --> 00:47:28,241
[Kip] When Nirvana came out,
it was over, totally over.
980
00:47:28,328 --> 00:47:29,721
Everything changed.
981
00:47:29,808 --> 00:47:31,810
["Smells Like Teen Spirit"
continues]
982
00:47:31,897 --> 00:47:35,553
[Janet] It wasn't like this
gradual changing of the tides.
983
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,904
It was kind of like,
bam, you're done.
984
00:47:44,388 --> 00:47:46,651
♪ rock music plays ♪
985
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:07,715
[music stops]
986
00:48:10,631 --> 00:48:13,678
♪ MTV ♪
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