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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:14,410 Men, men, men, men, manly men, men, men. Men, men, men, men, manly men, men, 2 00:00:14,410 --> 00:00:17,350 men. Men, men, men, men, manly men. 3 00:00:18,330 --> 00:00:19,330 Men, 4 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:27,250 men, men, men, manly men, men. I 5 00:00:27,250 --> 00:00:34,170 worked with Charlie Sheen for eight years. And if 6 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:37,980 you wonder what it's like to work... with Charlie Sheen for eight years. 7 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:40,380 When I started, I had hair. 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,980 I had some trepidation about participating in this, partially because 9 00:00:47,980 --> 00:00:52,720 the cycle of Charlie Sheen's life has been that he messes up terribly, he hits 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,460 rock bottom, and then he gets things going again, and he brings a lot of 11 00:00:57,460 --> 00:01:01,480 positivity in his life, and that's when he burns himself out again, and he just 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,480 can't help. 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,039 that house on fire. 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,660 And I didn't want to be a part of that cycle. 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,360 You know, I'm not here to build him up, and I'm not here to tear him down. 16 00:01:12,980 --> 00:01:14,820 But I sure hope this doesn't go bad. 17 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,400 It seemed like it was going to be like any other flight. 18 00:01:24,820 --> 00:01:26,480 I wasn't, like, sloppy drunk. 19 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,200 But I was already pretty half in the bag, you know. 20 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:32,180 It was my first honeymoon. 21 00:01:33,580 --> 00:01:38,540 And Donna was, I guess she was still reeling from the absence of romance in 22 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:41,300 soggy freaking wine excursion. 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,780 Platoon and Wall Street were huge in Japan. And so I was selling Madras 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Tokyo gas, air conditioners and heaters, and Parliament cigarettes. 25 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:55,000 Donna was the model in the Parliament commercial. 26 00:01:55,380 --> 00:01:59,280 But yes, tensions were high. We were both a little bit short with each other. 27 00:01:59,660 --> 00:02:03,080 And I finally just say, fuck it. I needed something quick and strong. 28 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,080 So I power probably four, five, six dots. 29 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,360 You know, of course, a lot of people, like, recognize me. 30 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:17,300 The navigator was outside the cockpit. 31 00:02:17,820 --> 00:02:22,040 Ah, Mr. Heen, would you like to come meet the captain? And I'm like, hell 32 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,120 right? 33 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,600 I go into the cockpit, and the captain gets up, and... 34 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,660 He says, can we get a photo? 35 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:35,600 And I said, yes, but it'd be really cool if I was in your captain's jacket. 36 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:37,960 He's like, yes, we need to show it. 37 00:02:38,180 --> 00:02:40,540 It'd even be cooler if I was wearing your cap. 38 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:42,020 And he's like, yes, of course. 39 00:02:42,460 --> 00:02:45,520 I said, I mean, if we're going to do this, let's go all the way. 40 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,780 Can I sit in your seat? 41 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,060 But I'm approaching pirate drunk. 42 00:02:59,210 --> 00:03:02,070 The sun is just starting to peek through the horizon. 43 00:03:03,090 --> 00:03:06,250 And just rested my hands on the controls. 44 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:12,190 George is flying the plane. That's like international code for autopilot, right? 45 00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:18,470 And I said, just making a joke. I said, so is George still flying the plane? And 46 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:22,790 the co -pilot flicks a switch and says, nothing anymore. 47 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:25,970 I'm sitting there thinking, fuck. 48 00:03:26,910 --> 00:03:27,950 I'm there, drunk. 49 00:03:29,130 --> 00:03:35,530 Close to 300 people asleep behind me, an angry bride 20 feet behind me, and I 50 00:03:35,530 --> 00:03:37,390 start guiding this plane. 51 00:03:38,750 --> 00:03:41,590 Very, very subtle adjustments. 52 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:52,950 And this perfect, magical flying machine responded in a way that I 53 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:54,050 cannot put in words. 54 00:04:00,330 --> 00:04:05,790 And then they saw that maybe this might get away from them. 55 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:14,710 And the copilot turned 56 00:04:14,710 --> 00:04:16,470 George back on. 57 00:04:17,050 --> 00:04:21,850 And so then I felt the plane just kind of settle back into where it knew that 58 00:04:21,850 --> 00:04:23,250 needed to be, you know. 59 00:04:27,820 --> 00:04:34,460 I sat back down, owning this experience, and I just knew that trouble was on the 60 00:04:34,460 --> 00:04:38,980 horizon. After just five months, Hollywood bad boy Charlie Sheen and 61 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:40,080 Peeler calling it quits. 62 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:46,040 Drunk, off your ass, flying a passenger plane, 400 people behind you. Are you 63 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,900 thinking to yourself, holy shit, I'm untouchable? You know what I mean? Does 64 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:53,180 that happen? Does that go through a guy's mind when he has that kind of 65 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:55,660 Yes. 66 00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:12,080 You know the best thing about diners? What's that? 67 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,500 There's no surprises. 68 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,360 If you walk into a diner with unrealistic expectations of what they 69 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:25,420 offer, go fuck yourself. 70 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:30,650 Cheers. Are you sober today? How long have you been sober? 71 00:05:32,770 --> 00:05:34,570 I knew you were going to ask me that. 72 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:39,630 I am sober today. I'm in my seventh year, which is pretty good. But by the 73 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:44,770 people see this, unless things go tragically sideways, that will still be 74 00:05:44,770 --> 00:05:45,770 case. 75 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:54,010 How do you imagine structuring the story of 76 00:05:54,010 --> 00:05:55,010 Charlie Sheen? 77 00:05:56,650 --> 00:06:02,330 I think we can break it down into these three portions or these three sections. 78 00:06:02,670 --> 00:06:08,910 It was partying, partying with problems, and then just 79 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:09,910 problems. 80 00:06:10,750 --> 00:06:15,250 Last time I took drugs, I probably took more than anybody could survive. 81 00:06:15,910 --> 00:06:17,470 What are we talking about, how much? 82 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:21,060 I don't know, man. I was banging seven -gram rocks and finishing them because 83 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:23,600 that's how I roll. I have one speed. I have one gear. Go. 84 00:06:23,980 --> 00:06:27,320 Charlie Sheen was among the clients of her $1 ,500 hookers. 85 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:29,980 Is there going to be anything off -limits? 86 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:36,780 No. You know there are a lot of rumors out there right now, and you would like 87 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:40,780 to address them head -on. I'm here to admit that I am, in fact, HIV positive. 88 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:45,860 When you've got a lot of shame about a lot of stuff, shame is suffocating. 89 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:47,560 And what's your husband's name? 90 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Charlie. But in the same way, shame can turn into someone's North Star, you 91 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,120 know, or their South Star, or the Death Star, you know? 92 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:00,720 Where are you with it? 93 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,180 I'm, uh... He spent much of Christmas Day on lockdown. 94 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,220 I mean, the stuff that I plan on sharing, I had made a sacred vow years 95 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:12,080 only reveal to a therapist. 96 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:14,360 He judged me, he condemned me, he discarded me. 97 00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:16,210 Well, not anymore. 98 00:07:16,730 --> 00:07:17,730 Winning! 99 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:24,590 I think there's so many stories and so many ingrained images in people's minds 100 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:27,030 about the concept of me. 101 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:32,830 It's not even like think of me as a person. They think of me as a concept or 102 00:07:32,830 --> 00:07:34,510 specific moment in time. 103 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:50,760 There's only one person alive that has the answers to so many people's 104 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:51,900 about me. 105 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:23,780 Fuck it. Somebody call action. 106 00:08:27,940 --> 00:08:33,720 I was born dead. 107 00:08:33,940 --> 00:08:35,419 Yeah, I had the umbilical wrapped. 108 00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:37,679 There was no signs of life. 109 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:42,720 Dad was a devout Catholic and he was already looking for a priest to deliver 110 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,360 some last rites. And mom was way more optimistic. She had faith. 111 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,940 And the doctor beat me black and blue until there were signs of life. 112 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,060 So, good start. 113 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:07,140 When your life starts like that, basically doesn't start, it can do a 114 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:08,140 your head. 115 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Her name is Carlos Erwin Estevez. 116 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,360 And Erwin came from the doctor that delivered me and saved me. 117 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:19,160 There's four of us. 118 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,400 I'm third. 119 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:24,370 And Ramon is right above me, Emilio's above him, and my sister's below me. 120 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:29,150 You must believe me. I'm telling the truth. Oh, you've lied so much. 121 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:31,890 The mission focus was Dad and his job. 122 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:33,090 Can you help me? 123 00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:36,750 Listen, I'm going to get a hold of Frank Hamer. Have him take a look at you and 124 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:37,750 run some tests. 125 00:09:38,770 --> 00:09:41,310 Ladies and gentlemen, Martin Sheen. 126 00:09:44,010 --> 00:09:46,090 Lived in New York until I was three. 127 00:09:46,390 --> 00:09:48,770 And then Dad, well, he decided early on. 128 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:51,780 Sell the furniture. You know, it's time. 129 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:54,200 We're outie. 130 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:02,840 Malibu was very rural at the time and kind of removed from Los Angeles and all 131 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,840 of that hubbub. 132 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:09,220 There was a freedom of spirit in the air, and the place wasn't overrun. It 133 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:13,000 wasn't super crowded. You could still travel the highway any time of the day 134 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 with relative ease. 135 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,860 It wasn't a community of mansions. 136 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:22,800 I met him before he was Charlie Sheen. I met him when he was Carlos Estevez. 137 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:28,200 People think that just because it was Martin Sheen that they grew up very 138 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,860 That's far from it. 139 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:33,560 I used to go over to his house and stay in, what do you call those, beanbags? 140 00:10:34,060 --> 00:10:37,960 There was nothing, you know, extravagant about what they had. They didn't grow 141 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,020 up with that life. 142 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,940 And so you had auto mechanics and school teachers on your street. Nothing like 143 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:44,940 today. 144 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,240 And I say it was great because it was kind of like Huckleberry Finn by the 145 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,240 water. 146 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:54,560 We shared a moment of youth that's magic. 147 00:10:55,540 --> 00:11:00,920 We were surrounded by an air of just a general freedom of expression. 148 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:08,480 I mean, they'll hate me for revealing this, but, you know, my parents, maybe 149 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,860 a month or five, I don't know, they practiced nudism, you know? 150 00:11:14,510 --> 00:11:19,650 So, yeah, I'm five walking in the kitchen and there's my naked parents. 151 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:29,370 My parents gave us our first super camera when I was like six or seven. 152 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:35,590 Hey, brother, did you guys out there ever try this new American continental 153 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:36,810 hairdo, man? 154 00:11:37,450 --> 00:11:39,310 It's the newest style, man. 155 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:44,270 You see, they just take a wet rag, man, and they rub it through your hair. It's 156 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:46,010 like a dinosaur's tail, man. 157 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:47,950 It's really weird, man. 158 00:11:49,550 --> 00:11:55,690 We started instantly with, all right, here's how much time we have. Here's our 159 00:11:55,690 --> 00:11:57,450 cast. Here's the plot. 160 00:11:58,090 --> 00:12:03,930 So -and -so has done something to this person, and so this guy has to see 161 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:04,930 prevent. 162 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,340 And my brother Emilio was always with me. 163 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:26,200 It was really the only time that he and I were focused 164 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,280 on a common goal. 165 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,460 Everything outside of that was pretty uncommon. 166 00:12:32,860 --> 00:12:36,240 We had a rivalry that went on for a long time. 167 00:12:58,990 --> 00:12:59,990 Super 8 films. 168 00:13:00,770 --> 00:13:02,250 That was our canvas. 169 00:13:10,210 --> 00:13:13,270 Being on location with Dad really became our film school. 170 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:16,730 Especially during Apocalypse Now. 171 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:23,950 It was just one of those life -changing experiences, you know? 172 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:29,390 My dad always made that very clear that he wanted us all to be with him in his 173 00:13:29,390 --> 00:13:33,990 work. He didn't want the family dynamic to suffer just because he had this job 174 00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:34,990 somewhere else. 175 00:13:35,270 --> 00:13:39,910 And I thought we were incredibly lucky to be able to go along with. 176 00:13:40,190 --> 00:13:44,810 So I'm in the Philippines on Apocalypse. I think I was 11 by then. 177 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:51,490 The scope of the production, the length of the production, the exposure to 178 00:13:51,490 --> 00:13:53,090 the talent. 179 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,640 Written by, directed by Francis Ford Coppola. 180 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,860 Our most influential and important filmmaker. 181 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,680 The man responsible for The Godfather. His current giant film took three and a 182 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:06,680 half years. 183 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:12,380 Your dad was struggling with substance abuse, right? Yeah. That was part of 184 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:14,920 story. Yeah. Did you know that? 185 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:20,380 I sensed it. There is a moment in the Philippines. 186 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:24,460 That is as crystal clear as though it happened yesterday. 187 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,600 And we were outdoors at lunch early at one of the tables, you know. I remember 188 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,600 dad sitting down right next to me. And I remember I could smell it. I could 189 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,700 smell the booze, you know. And he wasn't home. He wasn't there. And he had that 190 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:39,700 K -bar knife. 191 00:14:40,860 --> 00:14:43,560 And he put it between his teeth. 192 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:47,840 And he turned to me with that knife between his teeth. 193 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,240 And I was just like. 194 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,000 He had departed. 195 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:01,140 So then I come to find out that that was in the middle of the opening sequence. 196 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,060 He was there for a couple of months without us and then started hearing 197 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:24,200 that Dad was sick. 198 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Dave Salvin let Melissa tell Barry Hirsch that Marty had a heart attack. 199 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:30,820 What the fuck is that? 200 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Do you know that it's going to be all over Hollywood in a half an hour? 201 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:40,380 If Marty dies, I want to hear that everything's okay until I say Marty is 202 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,560 You got it? 203 00:15:41,860 --> 00:15:47,040 When we came back to the Philippines and saw him for the first time, 204 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,220 He was taking baby steps on a cane, and he was crying, and he was devoid of that 205 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:54,740 dad light. 206 00:15:56,260 --> 00:15:57,920 It was gone, you know? 207 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:03,160 I had brought a couple of baseball gloves. I was playing baseball at the 208 00:16:03,260 --> 00:16:06,880 And so we'd go out somewhere on the ground, and we'd start throwing the 209 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,340 And the first day, it might have been at five feet. 210 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,100 for 10 throws, and the next day it might have been at 10 feet for 15 throws, and 211 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:18,240 this went on and on and on until we were at a decent distance and, you know, 212 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,600 just playing catch. 213 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:27,100 He credits me with having a major hand in helping him during his rehab to get 214 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,700 his strength back, get his focus back, just get his life back. 215 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Yeah, this fucking mattered. 216 00:16:40,010 --> 00:16:46,550 Yeah, it was, it just redefined that age -old moment of a 217 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:48,090 father -son playing catch. 218 00:16:50,390 --> 00:16:56,110 But it's hard not to visit that and not get a little choked up because I know 219 00:16:56,110 --> 00:17:00,070 what it meant to him, what it still means to him, you know. 220 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:16,359 I think it's hard for sons to always, you know, share with their fathers 221 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,359 truly in their heart. 222 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:24,380 I hope he sees some of this as the love letter to him that it is. 223 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,119 Emilio and dad, they fully support me. 224 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,500 They're rooting for me in ways you can't even imagine. 225 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,420 I can't expect people to revisit all the drug abuse and all the shitty choices 226 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:41,420 that hurt people I love. 227 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,000 And, yeah, would I love them both in this? Absolutely. But I completely 228 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 understand why they chose not to. 229 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,700 You got me smoking now. 230 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:02,760 It's your second heart attack, then. 231 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,740 I guess I never told you. 232 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,380 But I love you, Dad. 233 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:17,080 We kept making Super 8 films back on the ranch. 234 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,340 Hey, hey, what are you doing? And after Apocalypse, the Super 8s got way darker. 235 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:24,940 A lot of murder in you. 236 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:26,260 Yeah. 237 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,880 Well, 238 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,520 look what was happening to our dad. 239 00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:42,770 We were basically duplicating, emulating what dad was doing. 240 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:50,770 Bang, 241 00:18:55,790 --> 00:18:56,790 bang. 242 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,540 My baby shot me down. 243 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:14,760 We got, I don't want to say numbed, but we kind of grew accustomed to watching 244 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,380 our father die on film. 245 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:21,900 Oh, my God. 246 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,840 I think we recognized early on that those type of plot lines were 247 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,400 What you are seeing here is a man in great pain. 248 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,160 Beaten by the mob and dying. 249 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:47,100 Martin was a big thing for all of us. 250 00:19:53,180 --> 00:19:58,040 I'm doing nothing, man. 251 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,900 I'm here and I'm doing nothing. 252 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,500 Listen, so it's a little boring. It's a lot boring. 253 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:13,510 So I guess it felt like we were close to the actual world of it. 254 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:28,310 It's important to note that in and around a lot of the Super 8 film 255 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:33,410 there was a lot of weed involved. 256 00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:36,050 So that was really like the first drug. 257 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:37,570 There was a lot of pot. 258 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:44,050 Drugs played a large role there. You know, as they got older and started 259 00:20:44,050 --> 00:20:46,910 experimenting with everything. 260 00:20:52,550 --> 00:20:53,550 It's weird. 261 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:57,150 I drank the stuff, and I can't seem to remember what happened next. 262 00:20:57,610 --> 00:21:03,750 Yeah, and, you know, just the typical booze habits that kids that age would 263 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:04,750 have. 264 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:07,850 I think my first drink was a Mickey's Big Mouth. Remember those? 265 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:13,730 Yeah, I downed like two of them thinking this is how it's done, you know, and 266 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:15,430 then the next hour puking. 267 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:21,510 And then I guess the normal person parks it and says, well, that didn't work 268 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:27,130 out. The abnormal person says, all right, I'm feeling good enough to try 269 00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:29,150 again, hopefully with a better result, you know. 270 00:21:30,090 --> 00:21:34,330 And then you also have this other friend in Tony Todd who had nothing to do with 271 00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:37,650 that. No, none of it. Do -do -do -do -do -do. 272 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:41,370 Tony Todd's one of my favorite people ever and one of my best friends in this 273 00:21:41,370 --> 00:21:48,230 lifetime. He's as reliable and compassionate and loyal and committed as 274 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:52,930 anyone could ever ask for, you know? Well, every person needs a black friend, 275 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:57,810 I'm just kidding. But I think they do. What brought us together was our passion 276 00:21:57,810 --> 00:21:58,810 for sports. 277 00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:00,560 He's very competitive. I'm competitive. 278 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,200 Tony's never done a drug in his life. 279 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,160 I think he's had a sip of one drink. 280 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:08,960 Never had a drink with him. 281 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,080 I'm just there for him because I'm a friend. 282 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:14,820 He's been the most consistent for sure. 283 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Yeah, he touched every decade, every era, every... all of it, you know. 284 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:24,840 Now, we want you to sort of go through the car like that. 285 00:22:25,790 --> 00:22:27,290 I would think that we were going to be up high. 286 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:31,850 Emilio Estevez doesn't normally ride motorcycles, so he's listening very 287 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:33,830 carefully to stunt coordinator Nate Long. 288 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:38,670 This is Emilio's first major acting job, but he is no newcomer to the movie 289 00:22:38,670 --> 00:22:42,230 business. As a matter of fact, if you look closely, he bears a good 290 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:46,010 to Martin Sheehan, one of Hollywood's most sought -after actors and star of 291 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:47,010 Apocalypse Now. 292 00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:51,250 He uses his real name and keeps it a pretty good secret about his famous 293 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:53,870 Emilio and Dad had a huge fight about Emilio. 294 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,400 using Sheen or Estevez and dad wishing he'd stayed with Estevez to honor his 295 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,660 heritage and all that good stuff. 296 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:04,400 And then Emilio said, okay, all right, there is a better ring to Emilio and 297 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,540 Estevez. Emilio Sheen didn't have a flow, you know. 298 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:12,480 It was a house on fire for him, man. It was, he had opportunities that none of 299 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,120 us had even, you know, imagined before that. 300 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,820 Emilio pulled the focus quite a lot and he deserved it. 301 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,920 I don't know if that inspired Charlie, but I think he did see that maybe that's 302 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,140 something that's available to me, too. 303 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:33,300 He'd done legitimate work. 304 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:35,240 He had his dough. 305 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,260 And now he has freedom. 306 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,720 The prom king of Santa Monica High School. Please welcome Emilio Estevez. 307 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280 I get it. I see all the girls. I see all the fun. I see all the, you know, all 308 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,280 the excitement. 309 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,820 And that was intoxicating. 310 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,920 You know, I couldn't have been more jealous. 311 00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:56,690 High school for me. Yeah, that was a mess. 312 00:23:57,110 --> 00:24:02,890 I may hold the record. I have the attendance record of somewhere in the 30 313 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:03,890 percentile range. 314 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:08,030 And a GPA, I think it's like a one, two. 315 00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:09,850 Oh, yeah. 316 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:12,630 Charlie, you know, didn't graduate from high school. 317 00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:19,150 And then his dad was on his case about, you know, you got to get out and get a 318 00:24:19,150 --> 00:24:22,590 job. I told my parents, I said, look. 319 00:24:23,020 --> 00:24:26,600 Let me explore the acting thing. Let me audition this first summer. Let me just 320 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,900 do this. You know, look what Emilio's doing. Look what all his friends are 321 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:30,460 doing. You dick! 322 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:37,640 And if it shits out, then I will figure out a way to, you know, get a GED or 323 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,660 something, and I'll go on to a university and I'll study film. I'll 324 00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:46,540 editor or a cinematographer or a freaking something. 325 00:24:47,420 --> 00:24:48,820 And they were like, okay, deal. 326 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,400 So I was Charlie Estevez all the way through high school. 327 00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:56,910 But personal disappointment, you know, school, girls. 328 00:24:57,310 --> 00:25:03,270 Yeah, it felt like it was time to clean that slate and start moving forward with 329 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:05,250 a different identity. 330 00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:12,270 And so I went to Pop and I said, I think that someone needs to carry the name 331 00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:13,370 on, you know. 332 00:25:14,170 --> 00:25:18,650 And I said, I think Charlie Sheen just rolls off the tongue a little easier. 333 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:21,010 I can see it in lights, Pop. 334 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,900 It's like this is a role for him, maybe, you know? 335 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:36,280 It's the role of Charlie Sheen, and it's a good one. 336 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:45,420 My first summer of auditioning, I'd like to say that I got the first job that I 337 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:46,420 went on. 338 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Oh, my God, I've got a blister on my big toe. Backpack, come on, Tina, do me a 339 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,240 small favor. 340 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,300 What? Put a lid on it. Tell us what. 341 00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:56,950 That movie is... It's shit. 342 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:01,310 It's called Grizzly 2, The Predator. 343 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:07,110 It's a sequel to Grizzly. 344 00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:12,710 And 345 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:22,490 there's 346 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:23,890 Laura Dern and George Clooney. 347 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,500 That's pretty good company, right? 348 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:29,360 We're in the first scene as the three campers, and they're dating, and I'm the 349 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,360 third wheel guy. 350 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,600 We shot the film in Budapest. 351 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,080 Right before I left, I had this audition, and that was the biggest 352 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,640 town, and I fucked it up. It was a mess. 353 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,820 And the director, he saw it differently, because he wanted to know how fast you 354 00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:49,160 can get into karate training. 355 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,200 I'm like, okay, like for what, one of the hoodlums on that team of bad guys? 356 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:57,180 And they're like, no, no, Danny, for the guy. 357 00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:01,360 I was offered the lead role in The Karate Kid. 358 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240 Yeah, that was a big deal. 359 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,840 This was like a huge moment, you know. This was a star -turning moment. 360 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,480 And I said, well, I got to go to Budapest. 361 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,100 So I took it to my dad, and I said, hey, man, I got this thing, and it's a life 362 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:19,100 -changing opportunity. 363 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:24,230 And so they want me in karate training, like, tomorrow. 364 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:26,590 And he said, well, there's a problem here. 365 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:29,810 You gave this other company your word. 366 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:34,570 I said, yeah, but it's forgettable, and it's a thing, and it's like eight lines. 367 00:27:34,670 --> 00:27:37,010 He said, none of that matters. You gave them your word. 368 00:27:37,210 --> 00:27:41,670 He said, your word in this business is going to carry you a lot further than 369 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:42,670 big movie. 370 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:47,750 So we politely told the karate kid people that if they could wait two 371 00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:49,650 I'm all in, and they said they couldn't. 372 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:51,610 They said they couldn't. 373 00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:54,170 So that went away. 374 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:56,730 Ralph Macchio. 375 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:57,950 Got it. Correct? 376 00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:00,110 Perfect. And I had to sit with that. 377 00:28:00,850 --> 00:28:05,190 But it was the Karate Kid in 1984 that turned Ralph Macchio into a star. 378 00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:10,230 It also turned him into a teen idol, gracing every cover of the top teen 379 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:14,610 magazines. And, you know, it goes like that sometimes. 380 00:28:15,050 --> 00:28:16,050 It sucked. 381 00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:21,790 And in that moment, tell me about your mindset towards your dad. 382 00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:23,510 I was pissed. 383 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:27,150 I was pissed. I thought I was terribly misled. 384 00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:29,750 So what if you're wrong? 385 00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:33,890 What if one day the sun didn't rise in the east, the birds didn't fly south for 386 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:35,850 the winter, and for once your compass was off? 387 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:37,350 How about now? 388 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:38,850 Not one bit. 389 00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:40,510 Not one bit, yeah. 390 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,440 I mean, yeah, it went on to burn down the world and spawn, what, five sequels 391 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,860 whatever, and he probably made $20 million. 392 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:55,220 However, I don't know that it necessarily opened up a lot of doors to 393 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,820 maybe other stuff that he was passionate about. 394 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,360 I don't want to say I dodged a bullet. Maybe I dodged a back kick. 395 00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:09,260 The interesting thing that happened right around that time, he becomes a 396 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,530 There's probably a lot of people out there that don't even know that you have 397 00:29:13,530 --> 00:29:14,850 daughters or sons. 398 00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:21,690 Yeah, no, I have five children and three 399 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:23,290 granddaughters. 400 00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:29,210 Cassandra, my first child, will be 40 this year. 401 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:35,330 You know, at the time, I didn't feel like I was ready for that. 402 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,300 And that contribution was a whole other energy for our family, that now he had a 403 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:47,460 daughter, and my niece's mom was also very young, and my parents helped raise 404 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:49,640 her a lot. 405 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,480 The stakes had risen to a place that I was ill -equipped to navigate. 406 00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,260 But being aware of that there was a lot of love in the room, there was a lot of 407 00:30:00,260 --> 00:30:05,440 support, I'm thinking it's time to focus my sights forward. 408 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:09,350 If there's one Hollywood director who has his creative finger on the pulse of 409 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,990 today's high school kids, it's John Hughes. With 16 candles and the 410 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:16,610 club, he endeared himself to the teen crowd. I think he's very honest and that 411 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:19,130 he doesn't try to show us for something that we're not. 412 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:26,170 One day, I get this strange phone call from Jennifer Grey, who was a friend. 413 00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:29,210 I told you I was telling the truth, Daddy. 414 00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:33,610 And she said, hey, I'm doing this big movie, which was Ferris Bueller's Day 415 00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:36,870 right? We're filming in Long Beach. I think you should come down, and I've 416 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:38,150 recommended you to John Hughes. 417 00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:42,370 It's only one scene or two scenes, but they're both pretty memorable. They're 418 00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:43,370 both with me. 419 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:46,870 I'm like, well, what is it? Who is this guy? What's the scene? She's like, don't 420 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:50,410 worry about it. Just read it, prepare as best as you can, and then get your ass 421 00:30:50,410 --> 00:30:51,410 down there. 422 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:55,530 So Ramon was going through this punk rock phase, right? 423 00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:58,410 He had this leather jacket that I wanted to borrow. 424 00:30:58,630 --> 00:31:03,670 He was a smoker at the time, so I dug into his ashtray and darkened my eyes 425 00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:05,590 this. It's cigarette ash. 426 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:12,350 Jennifer greets me and Matthew Broderick comes out of his trailer and she 427 00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:13,990 introduces us just at a distance. 428 00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:20,990 So it's literally Hughes now walking across the parking lot. And I got the 429 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:23,510 sides, I got the jacket, I got the thing, I got the hair going on. 430 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,110 Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Hughes. And he's like, wow, look at you. You look 431 00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:29,110 great, kid. 432 00:31:29,290 --> 00:31:30,310 We'll see you next week. 433 00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:33,110 I'm like, yeah. 434 00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:34,950 See you next week. 435 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:36,870 Jennifer's like, good job, man. 436 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:39,970 I'm like, what the fuck did I do? All I did was get out of my car, right? 437 00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:44,110 So I got this gig, but this other opportunity arises. 438 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:51,690 And it's kind of just dropped in our lap. 439 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,950 Martin and Charlie Sheen are going to take on the great Michael Jordan, the 440 00:31:55,950 --> 00:32:00,490 great basketball player. Dad, publicist was tight with Dick Van Patten. 441 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,680 Dick was hosting this sports -themed show called War of the Stars. 442 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440 It pitted actors against athletes. 443 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:09,700 Do you have any tactics? 444 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,460 Just primarily to score, if at all possible. 445 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:21,080 So the day of this event, and I've got the sides, I said, Dad, can we work on 446 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,080 the scene in the limo on the way down to playing Michael Jordan? 447 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,720 And he says, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, kid, what do you got? 448 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,820 So you're pissed off because he ditches and doesn't get caught, is that it? 449 00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:31,850 So we read it once. 450 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:34,550 You ought to spend a little more time dealing with yourself. 451 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:37,150 A little less time worrying about what your brother does. 452 00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:39,170 He says, okay. 453 00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:40,890 All right, you got it. 454 00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:43,810 I'm like, yeah, but I don't know it. And he says, no, no, no. 455 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:48,530 Exactly what you just did with it is what you need to do with it when you 456 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:49,389 it. 457 00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:51,350 I said, but I did nothing. And he says, exactly. 458 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:54,030 There's no acting today. 459 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:55,230 It's all for real. 460 00:32:57,290 --> 00:33:01,650 It's in a high school gymnasium. The bleachers are filled with kids that go 461 00:33:01,650 --> 00:33:02,349 that school. 462 00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:03,350 The competition. 463 00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:08,090 It was broken down into three sections, and it's free throws, it's a game of 464 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:09,670 horse, and it's a two -on -one. 465 00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:12,990 Dad and I can both shoot free throws. We're not worried about that, right? 466 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:13,990 good from the strike. 467 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:16,070 The horse game, we figured, that's him. 468 00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:19,550 We don't have a shot there. He's going to do things we've never seen before, 469 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:20,750 right? 470 00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:22,530 But two -on -one. 471 00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:26,750 He cannot guard two people at the same time. We've got to spread the floor a 472 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:30,370 little bit. We've got to come together and show this dude what we're made of. 473 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:33,370 I missed the first shot. 474 00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:34,790 I missed. 475 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,830 But the universe that day hasn't given. 476 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:41,710 Right on. 477 00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:43,590 Two for three for Charlie Sheen. 478 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:46,230 The young girls here really like Charlie. 479 00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:48,610 And he's putting on a big show for them. 480 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:52,850 And then I proceed to hit eight and a half. 481 00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:54,190 Perfect! 482 00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:58,590 I guess the detail that I omitted is that he had to shoot with his eyes 483 00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:03,350 But come on, I mean, we've got to, you know, introduce handicaps. 484 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,270 He needs just one more. 485 00:34:07,910 --> 00:34:09,270 And he does it! 486 00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:13,710 Martin and Charlie seem to beat Michael Jordan in foul shooting to take a one 487 00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:15,630 -nothing lead in their pre -contest match. 488 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:19,469 So, the next section was a game of horse. 489 00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:25,460 Jordan steps up to half court, and as though he's shooting a free throw, just 490 00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:27,980 nothing but net. 491 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,159 And Dan... 492 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:45,020 That 493 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:49,020 was that moment when you know there's something bigger than us. 494 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,719 In the mix here. 495 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,040 It's like trying to process. 496 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,420 I just made a basket being defended by Michael Jordan. 497 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,500 The whole ride back home. 498 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:22,330 I felt like a magic carpet. It was intensely surreal. 499 00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:25,250 And the story with Michael does not end there. 500 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:27,670 He becomes a bit of a through line. 501 00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:35,430 Now I've got a few days to get ready for my big cameo in Ferris Bueller's Day 502 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:36,430 Off. 503 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:41,030 And the night before, I'm trying to figure out who this guy is. He seems 504 00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:42,230 he's from the other side of the tracks. 505 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:45,050 So I'm going to stay up late. 506 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,760 I just figure if I show up looking tired, that that's going to be an asset. 507 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,400 I know what's wrong. 508 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,840 I just want to hear you say it. There was no booze, there was no dope, there 509 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,500 nothing involved in that night preparing for this. You ought to spend a little 510 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,700 more time dealing with yourself, a little less time worrying about what 511 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:03,479 brother does. 512 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,880 This was just purely organic method approach, you know? 513 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,820 I need to look tired, so I'm going to be tired. 514 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,680 My call time down there was like 6 a .m. 515 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:17,830 And I set my alarm for 4 .30. I was going to leave at 5, give myself an 516 00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:23,570 And I did that stupid thing where the alarm went off and I was like, I'll just 517 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:24,690 grab that extra 10 minutes. 518 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,810 And that extra 10 minutes turned into an extra hour and a half. 519 00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:32,810 And the next time I saw the clock, it was 6 .30. And I'm in a fucking panic. 520 00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:40,110 So, you know, there were no cell phones. You couldn't really let anybody know. 521 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:42,410 So they're all down there like, what happened to dude? 522 00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:46,510 And I finally get down there. It's probably like 7, 7 .15. 523 00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:48,870 And there's Jennifer Grey, man. 524 00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:52,210 And she is pacing. 525 00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:56,630 She's back and forth. And I pull up, and I kind of get out of my car and 526 00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:57,690 sheepishly approach her. 527 00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:02,730 She fucking lays into me, man. What is wrong with you? I go out on a fucking 528 00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:05,590 limb to create this opportunity for you, and you do this. 529 00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:07,810 So I go through makeup. I go through wardrobe. 530 00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:09,690 And I finally get to the set. 531 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:12,200 And I'm expecting a dressing down from him as well. 532 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,820 And he looks at me. He says, okay, 533 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:17,700 good, you're here. 534 00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:18,740 Let's get started. 535 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,820 Did that give you any kind of like, well, I can do this and get away with 536 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,280 Maybe subconsciously. 537 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,160 And so we rehearsed it a couple times, and then he just started rolling camera. 538 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,600 And action. 539 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:34,680 I got very little direction that day. 540 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,580 And then I had the thing where I used to crack my knuckles. 541 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:43,000 He had a couple cameras on the scene, and his guy drifted down to that, and 542 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000 that's in the movie. 543 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,480 I think I came close to honoring what Dad recommended to the approach to the 544 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,720 scene. You're pissed off because he ditches and doesn't get caught, is that 545 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,900 Basically. Basically. 546 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,920 Your problem is you. 547 00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:03,220 Excuse me? 548 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:04,380 Excuse you. 549 00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,240 You ought to spend a little more time dealing with yourself. 550 00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:09,910 A little less time worrying about what your brother does. 551 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:17,890 And that scene turned into a thing that I couldn't have possibly 552 00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:21,750 anticipated, expected, or predicted. 553 00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:24,410 You ever held another job before? 554 00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:28,010 Yeah, I was so trashed when I said it. 555 00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:31,190 You lost that one? 556 00:38:32,530 --> 00:38:33,870 That one would be here if I had. 557 00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:39,550 I think if you look at Charlie's movies, there's been kind of a connecting 558 00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:46,490 thread to thematics and environments that were the movies they 559 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:47,950 grew up watching their father shoot. 560 00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:57,890 Ferris Bueller is running now. He's so funny. I wait for that scene when you 561 00:38:57,890 --> 00:39:01,690 come on. It is the best thing in the film. Thank you. So funny. I don't know 562 00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:04,690 about that, but I appreciate that. Thank you. Everybody loved the movie overall, 563 00:39:04,990 --> 00:39:09,390 but this one lady in particular, I can't remember her name, but at the very end 564 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,810 of the review, she said something like, special attention needs to be made for 565 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:21,410 Charlie Sheen in his one scene. And then her one line was, he smolders. 566 00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:22,930 No joke. 567 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:25,430 And I thought, huh. 568 00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:30,490 Now I'm on screen for, I don't know, three minutes? 569 00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:32,130 Four? 570 00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:35,350 And the whole world suddenly goes, he's the fucking guy. 571 00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:38,570 And imagine what that did to my head. 572 00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:43,830 I remember I had no awareness that Charlie was developing such a career. 573 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:49,310 And then I was at one of these family holidays at my parents' house, and there 574 00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:51,010 was Charlie a foot taller. 575 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:52,950 chiseled jaw. 576 00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:57,310 He looked like a baby version of George Washington when he was a kid, you know, 577 00:39:57,350 --> 00:39:58,990 a little blimpy, you know, face. 578 00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:04,690 And here he was, this handsome, tall young man who was starring in movies. 579 00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:06,690 And I thought, wow, isn't he great? 580 00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:11,750 You know, he was someone you knew in your childhood, finding a big zone of 581 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:16,270 expression and having so much to offer. But you're about 21, right? I am 21, 582 00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:20,010 yeah. So people your age, do they know much about Vietnam and your own 583 00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:20,959 experience? Yeah. 584 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,760 Yeah, to a certain extent, what they teach you in history in high 585 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,360 school. I had auditioned for Platoon, and there was a train wreck. And then 586 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:39,940 Platoon was greenlit shortly after that, and Emilio was going to be playing 587 00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:40,940 the lead role. 588 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:45,780 And then they lost their financing, and the director, Oliver Stone, decided just 589 00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:47,900 to put the brakes on for a minute. 590 00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:49,400 Then it came back around. 591 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,220 And that's when Oliver asked me to come back and do a second audition. 592 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,180 Did you have a moment with your brother about this? 593 00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,120 It's just the way things had to go. 594 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,120 It's the way things had to go. Do you have a sibling rivalry? As far as 595 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560 film competition, I think that's all, that's just a waste of time because 596 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,780 not up for the same parts. We're not, we don't play the same types. 597 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,570 You were on the set when your dad was shooting Apocalypse Now. 598 00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:24,090 Was this similar? 599 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:28,850 I was witnessing this Coppola -esque $40 million production as an 11 -year -old. 600 00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:35,450 And now going back 10 years later to do Platoon, like my version, it was kind of 601 00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:38,750 scary, but it was like a strange, symbolic homecoming for me. 602 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:51,050 During that shoot, I was presented with a contract written on a napkin 603 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,710 in the Philippine jungle from Oliver Stone to commit to Wall Street. 604 00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:58,770 And I said, okay, I know where Wall Street is. What's the movie about? And 605 00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:03,110 said, it's the story of a young trader seduced by the promise of quick gains. 606 00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:05,990 I'm like, all right, that sounds pretty cool. 607 00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:07,330 Look, Dixon, relax. 608 00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:10,950 It's not illegal to buy stock or to be accurate, and it's not all that unusual 609 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:14,090 to be spot -checked on a big buy. Just tell them that you did your homework and 610 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:15,310 you thought the stock was a sound investment. 611 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,320 The nominees for Best Picture are Platoon. 612 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:27,140 I was in New York filming Wall Street watching Platoon, but for Best Picture, 613 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,040 you know, on a Sunday night. And the winner is? 614 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,560 There's before Platoon and there's after Platoon. 615 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,100 Platoon. 616 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,500 I mean, Best Picture is funny. 617 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:46,310 Yeah, it kind of sets the stage. 618 00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:51,390 You know who he is. 619 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:52,910 Charlie Sheen. 620 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:57,390 Just indescribable opportunities. 621 00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:01,450 The place goes crazy for you, don't they? It's a little embarrassing. 622 00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:05,370 He just became a mega superstar. 623 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:10,630 It's Charlie Sheen, man. Hugest star in the world. 624 00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:17,310 I was on a level that couldn't be touched. 625 00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:24,970 One night, I decided to head out on the town with a few of my mates. 626 00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:32,310 And we catch wind of this party in West Hollywood, right? We get the address and 627 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:33,209 we get there. 628 00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:34,710 I think it's the right spot. 629 00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:37,830 You know, everything was really dark and back alley -ish. 630 00:43:38,370 --> 00:43:40,330 And I see a guy. 631 00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:48,730 He's talking to this really cute girl. 632 00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:52,230 And he keeps saying to the girl, what do you think of my watch? 633 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:53,890 How do you like my watch? 634 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:56,630 And I recognize the voice, right? 635 00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:58,470 And I'm like, Nick? 636 00:44:00,710 --> 00:44:02,490 I lost my hand! 637 00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:06,150 Hey, 638 00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:08,870 Birdie. 639 00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:10,910 We got some dance in the dance. 640 00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:12,150 Hey. 641 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:13,170 Nicholas Cain. 642 00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:21,320 I admired how he's not interested in anybody's opinion. He's not looking for 643 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,320 anyone's approval. 644 00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:35,060 That's the symbolic springboard into the next chapter of complete and total 645 00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:36,060 chaos. 646 00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:44,110 We bonded in a way that was about the party, it was about the excitement, but 647 00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:45,930 was also about respect for each other. 648 00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:53,090 But mostly the party, snorting cocaine and tons of booze. 649 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:54,830 Poppers, ecstasy. 650 00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:56,428 That's great. 651 00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:58,050 Just the menu was filled with options. 652 00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:01,430 Our gang, we got the tattoos, we got the jackets. 653 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,410 We'd go at 100 miles an hour. 654 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:07,790 We were warped. 655 00:45:08,350 --> 00:45:13,490 And that's what kind of just... Charlie Sheen, Hollywood's wildest bachelor. 656 00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:16,950 His scandalous women. His party nights out with the boys. 657 00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:22,330 The circus that Charlie bragged. Charlie was a different kind of life at the 658 00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:28,010 party. We were like this runaway train. 659 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:33,610 It's like we were all... Something was missing and... 660 00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:41,270 By this connection, suddenly it wasn't. And that's a lot of responsibility 661 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:43,570 to everybody's American night. 662 00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:50,830 We wound up on an airplane to San Francisco. 663 00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:55,550 Everybody was high as shit. 664 00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:58,210 Then it happened. 665 00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,950 Nick got a hold of the intercom handset. 666 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:08,990 There was no warm -up. He launched into... This is your captain speaking. 667 00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:14,170 I'm not feeling well. 668 00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:19,050 I'm losing control of the aircraft. 669 00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:29,530 And we heard this, and I knew we were instantly in shit city. He had taken it 670 00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:30,890 a place, whatever his intentions were. 671 00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:33,830 that just were wildly inappropriate. 672 00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:38,210 And you can hear people screaming and demanding information from the flight 673 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:39,970 crew. You can't. Good Lord. 674 00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:46,590 No. And then when we landed, the pilot came out and he said, quote, not cool, 675 00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:48,950 not cool, end quote. 676 00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:54,550 So we were in big trouble, man. At which point the door to the aircraft whooshed 677 00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:58,250 open like a nuclear gateway to a bank vault to reveal... 678 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,860 six fully armed police officers. Oh, buddy. 679 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:08,280 And what Nick didn't know is that I had over an ounce of cocaine taped to the 680 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,240 inside of my leg and standing there sweating and really concerned about 681 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:14,240 going to happen next. 682 00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:21,860 One of the guys was a big enough fan of mine, big enough fan of Nick's, and he 683 00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:26,180 just decided to, you know, make sure this doesn't happen again, young man. 684 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:27,180 we... 685 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,740 We got through, you know. 686 00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:35,960 Yet another experience of the perks of the job. I guess, yeah. I think anybody 687 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,560 else, that would have been fools. 688 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,900 Charlie always managed to walk a tightrope. You wanted to like him 689 00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:49,680 was really charming and smart and terrific at what he does as an actor. 690 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,500 know, but also... you know, there were incidents that you were like, wait, what 691 00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:58,440 happened? Like, you know, when he shot Kelly Preston, you know? 692 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,080 Charlie Sheen and Kelly Preston seem to be a nice couple. Each is a successful, 693 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,460 attractive actor. Each is upset now about stories circulating since Kelly 694 00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:14,080 suffered a gunshot wound earlier this month. There's nothing better than 695 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,280 directly to the source, and that's exactly what we did. 696 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,140 I'm pretty glad you're okay. Thank you. Can you just go over it? Because we've 697 00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:23,540 got so many accounts, we don't want the wrong one. The truth is it was a 698 00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:24,820 complete accident. It fell. 699 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,140 It went off. Then Kelly said at the time, oh, no, that was an accident. 700 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,960 You know, so there's this part of you that goes, okay, you know, there's 701 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,820 this tightrope of, you know. 702 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,360 I don't know the whole story. 703 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,560 Is he the guy who he appears to me to be? 704 00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:47,300 Or is there some much darker thing going on? 705 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:02,700 I get invited to my dad's birthday party. 706 00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,940 I think mom called me. 707 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,520 Dad's got things to do. 708 00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:07,910 So we got to do it early. 709 00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:11,350 He's like, we're thinking nine. 710 00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:13,990 I'm like, a .m. 711 00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:16,350 He's like, yeah. I'm like, okay. 712 00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:18,210 Hey, what should I get him? 713 00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:20,970 He's like, he doesn't need anything. You know your father. If you give him 714 00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:21,970 something, he'll just give it away. 715 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:32,810 You can hear this car coming a mile away, right? And so mom here has been 716 00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:33,810 pulling the driveway. 717 00:49:36,419 --> 00:49:41,180 And she comes out, and she gives me a hug, and she says, I have to ask you 718 00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:42,680 something. I'm like, yeah, anything. 719 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:45,220 She says, are you armed? 720 00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:49,180 And I thought she was joking, right? 721 00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:53,700 And I said, no, no, why would I? No, Mom, come on. I mean, maybe there's 722 00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:54,920 something in the trunk, but no. 723 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,400 She says, okay, good, good. I just had to find out, you know. 724 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,460 So she brings me in the house. 725 00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:09,470 I mean, I'm looking for balloons. I'm looking for a cake. I'm looking for 726 00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:13,170 hats. I'm looking for something that screams birthday party and there's 727 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,590 And as I get kind of coming around the corner, I see the living room has this 728 00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:21,770 like really expertly organized circle of people. 729 00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:25,150 And I think I'm recognizing all of them. 730 00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:27,070 But it's a weird mix. 731 00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:32,930 Why would Dad have my 7th grade history teacher, Mr. Vincent, at his birthday 732 00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:36,910 party when no one's seen the guy for, I don't know, 15 years, right? 733 00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:41,610 There's Bikram Chowdhury, my yoga instructor, and Rob Lowe is there. Okay, 734 00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:47,530 there's a familiar face, right? And then Emilio and Rene, Ramon, my parents, and 735 00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:49,590 there's this fucking guy. I think his name was Jim. 736 00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:52,810 And there's one chair that's open. 737 00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:56,410 And this guy named Jim... 738 00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:02,690 says uh welcome please be seated i was never involved in any of those uh 739 00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:08,950 interventions and and you know i was not uh you know walking a perfect trail of 740 00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:15,830 my own in some regards and i haven't said a fucking word because there's a 741 00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:21,330 to process i kind of heard about these things but never been this close to an 742 00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:23,830 intervention and they go around the room 743 00:51:24,629 --> 00:51:27,010 And they've all got something written, and it's very emotional. 744 00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:33,050 I said, is this a situation where now I'm given some time to think about this? 745 00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:35,470 And they said, no. 746 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:39,610 No, this is a decision we've made for you that has to happen today. 747 00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:46,330 What you have just seen is a good lesson in what not to do in a situation of 748 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:47,710 this nature. You can tell me what they did wrong. 749 00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:49,690 Come on, come on, come on, you know. 750 00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:52,470 Charlie had the audacity to be pissed about that. 751 00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:56,410 I don't know if he told you, he was mad that all these people were there trying 752 00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:58,270 to tell him what to do with his life. 753 00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:06,890 You can tell someone 754 00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:08,310 until they're blue in the face. 755 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:11,190 I don't care if it's your mom, your dad, whoever. 756 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:15,850 Until you decide to make that decision, that's not going to happen. 757 00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:17,390 And I was... 758 00:52:18,089 --> 00:52:22,150 Figuring, all right, if I just agree to this, just to get out of this situation, 759 00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:25,850 I can probably hatch a plan somewhere away from here. 760 00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:31,110 Dad goes in the office, and he sticks his head back out the door, and he says, 761 00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:32,850 there's someone on the phone that wants to talk to you. 762 00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:34,750 I thought it'd be a family member. 763 00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:42,150 And I'm like, hello? And it's a very recognizable, very globally familiar 764 00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:43,950 And it's Clint. 765 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:46,250 I ain't gonna lose this one. 766 00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:50,900 You can either stand out of my way or you can be my partner and you can back 767 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:51,900 up. 768 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,580 He said something to the effect of, you know, you got to get the train back on 769 00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:57,580 the tracks, kid. 770 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,640 You know, he said, you're worth saving. 771 00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,180 Yeah, it was really powerful. 772 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,260 And I thanked him and gave the phone back to dad and said, all right, let's 773 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,320 We were in a car on the way down to rehab. 774 00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:20,200 Dad driving, mom in the front, and a couple people on either side of me. 775 00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:22,760 I was in a people sandwich. 776 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,380 Because they knew at the first red light I was probably going to be that guy. 777 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,420 The intervention was inconvenient because later on that night or the next 778 00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:39,200 morning, Nick Cage and the rest of our gang were scheduled to be honorary 779 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,160 judges at a Hawaiian Tropic bikini contest in Palm Springs. 780 00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:48,070 So I'm in a bit of a pickle. I got the whole crew on standby to make this move 781 00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:50,310 down there, and I'm stuck in this intervention. 782 00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:56,750 I'm thinking, what does it really matter if I get sober like that day or a day 783 00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:57,750 from then? 784 00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:02,810 There's a night nurse. 785 00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:07,530 It was this black gal in her 40s. I mean, she was all business, you know. 786 00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:11,670 I told her, I said, I'm not bound by law to be here. 787 00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:14,070 I got the thing with my buddies down in the desert. 788 00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:20,050 And I will come walking back into this facility tomorrow morning at 8 a .m. 789 00:54:20,610 --> 00:54:23,910 Or I will give you a million dollars. 790 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:26,490 And she took it in. 791 00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:27,910 She took it in. 792 00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:30,610 And she just said, deal. 793 00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:36,730 Thinking she's probably looking at the better end of the stick, right? 794 00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:38,870 I put a big spell on you. 795 00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:44,230 And so there's a pay phone, and I'm able to kind of get word to the guys. 796 00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:48,010 I said, I just spoke to this gal. We got this thing covered, and he's like, 797 00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:48,888 cool, man. 798 00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:52,690 And so, I mean, thanks, Nick. He could have fucking said, oh, you know what, 799 00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:57,030 Charles? We're probably going to pull the plug on that, you know? And he 800 00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:58,470 and I don't blame him. 801 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:16,340 Fantabulous and sexy and as exciting as it could have been. 802 00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:27,040 And I 803 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:33,440 get back to St. John's at about 7 804 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,080 .40. And he's been walking up. And it is such... 805 00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:45,280 She's kind of happy that, you know, that, all right, this guy, he's 806 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,800 this thing and he showed back up. 807 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,240 So she was happy for me, but disappointed for herself. 808 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,240 And she kind of was like, all right, well, whatever. You're a man of your 809 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,440 Welcome back. We kept your room for you. 810 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,680 My agent, he visited me in rehab with the hotshot script. 811 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,160 This fell out of the fucking sky, right in my lap. I don't need your help. I 812 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,160 don't need anybody's help. 813 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,300 I'll be just fine. 814 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,660 And it was a bit of a game changer. 815 00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:21,560 Are you okay? 816 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,500 I think it might have been for the first time. 817 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,640 I noticed that there was a pattern to go through all this shit, come out of the 818 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,920 fire, and there be an opportunity on the immediate other side of it. 819 00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:42,390 It really flattened the concept of genuine 820 00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:44,470 consequences. 821 00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:53,370 I was able to just turn it off. 822 00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:59,970 And to this day, I don't know how, but I did. I was at Nick's Castle, for lack 823 00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:02,810 of a different description, up in the Hollywood Hills. 824 00:57:03,110 --> 00:57:06,310 The neighborhood was kind of sketchy, but the place was fabulous. 825 00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:10,530 And I asked Nick one night, I said, why did you choose this place? 826 00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:12,250 And he was like, Charles, look at the view. 827 00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:16,470 Look at the view and just think how much closer I am to the crime. 828 00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:20,350 I was like, all right, that makes me want to leave. 829 00:57:22,310 --> 00:57:26,090 So I had spent the night and I woke up. He wasn't up yet. And I went down to his 830 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:30,510 kitchen and I opened his refrigerator and there was a Foster's lager just 831 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:33,610 sitting there. I mean, lit perfectly, slow pushing on it, you know. 832 00:57:35,259 --> 00:57:36,280 Reverse push in on me. 833 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,160 I'm like, yeah, it's dad's birthday. It's my birthday too now. So let's 834 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160 celebrate. 835 00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:45,500 Cracked that fucker and downed it. 836 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,080 Yeah, celebrated one year. Come on, man. That was an accomplishment. 837 00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:53,740 That beer was there for a reason, right? 838 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,180 So that opened the door a little bit. 839 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,960 I would pull waitresses aside and, you know, give them a decent tip and say, 840 00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:03,840 I'll just need a little wine and a coffee mug, you know. 841 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,260 At the same time, I was trying to project an image of responsibility. 842 00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,900 Is your act pretty cleaned up now, do you think? More or less, yeah. Is it? 843 00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:19,580 Yeah, no, I spend a little more time at home eating a Wolfgang Puck spicy 844 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:21,060 chicken than I do in a bar. 845 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:23,500 I just didn't take the edge off a little bit. Don't worry, it's not going to 846 00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,640 lead back to all the freaking shit that got me in this mess, you know? 847 00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:32,360 Yeah, it's funny how secret wine in a coffee mug just... 848 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,420 turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be. 849 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,760 There was a club that was really popular called On the Rocks, and it was above 850 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:50,420 the Roxy. The place was a little sketchy, but it was the spot. 851 00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:57,060 There was one night, there was a group of girls there that I hadn't seen there 852 00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:58,060 before. 853 00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:03,510 And lined up properly, they were each hotter than the other and dressed nicely 854 00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:05,170 and wearing all the right accessories. 855 00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:08,130 And they would always wind up back at this one table. 856 00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:13,630 And at the head of the table was a gal that seemed like she was kind of, for 857 00:59:13,630 --> 00:59:16,610 lack of a better description, like their chaperone. 858 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:18,110 She was a little bit older. 859 00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:22,790 She wasn't trying to prove anything or impress anyone, you know. 860 00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:26,730 And so I finally got to talking to one of these girls. 861 00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:32,770 I said, okay, so do you have any plans after this? I mean, what's going on? She 862 00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:35,130 says, well, yeah, that's where it gets a little tricky. 863 00:59:35,490 --> 00:59:39,450 I got to go talk to my friend and see what that looks like for us, you know? 864 00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:42,190 I'm thinking, all right, that's kind of strange. 865 00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:44,050 Come here with your mom, whatever. 866 00:59:46,310 --> 00:59:47,310 Then it clicks. 867 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,150 Okay, these are call girl. 868 00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:53,390 And that lady over there is their madam. 869 00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:57,050 Actually, that stuff never bothered me. 870 00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:01,530 In fact, I lost my virginity to a pro when I was 15 years old. 871 01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:05,290 I borrowed Dad's credit card to pay for it. 872 01:00:05,530 --> 01:00:07,190 1980. I'm in Vegas. 873 01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:14,950 I'm pretty sure her name was Candy, Candy, Candy, Candy, Candy, Candy. 874 01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:22,310 So, you know, I have to say, Candy, if you're out there somewhere, thank you. 875 01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:27,390 Unpack that moment, kind of where it goes from there. 876 01:00:28,459 --> 01:00:33,900 Candy, you know, probably cost me upwards of $100 million, conservatively. 877 01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:35,300 ask you something, just one guy to another? 878 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:40,860 You know, I've never hired a woman, but I would just think it's like a blind 879 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:44,440 date, really, except that you know that it's going to be successful. 880 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,500 Yeah, yeah, I think Cary Grant said it best way back in the day. He said that 881 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:53,260 he's not paying for the sex, he's paying for them to leave when he's done, you 882 01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:54,260 know. 883 01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:57,670 In the immortal words of Cary Grant. 884 01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:05,750 Which brings us back to that fateful night at On the Rocks. 885 01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:11,930 The same night I was introduced to the infamous madam. 886 01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:16,970 And I said, hey, I'm Charlie Sheen. Nice to meet you. 887 01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:23,250 And she says, hi, my name's Heidi. 888 01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:26,110 You should learn how to say no. 889 01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:28,490 Go on, take everything. 890 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:32,550 Take everything I want you to take. 891 01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:36,450 Hey. 892 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:38,810 Come here. 893 01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:45,810 Hey. Hey, come here, babies. Come here. Hey, what's your problem? Come here. 894 01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:47,590 Come here. 895 01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:52,390 I'm born and raised in L .A. 896 01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:57,440 everything was a perfect storm to make me the perfect madam. 897 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,240 I was young, I was arrogant, I was the best, so that's how it is. 898 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,080 I'm not going to start naming all the actors I dealt with, but everyone you 899 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,040 think is doing it is doing it. And big deal, what guy doesn't want to get laid? 900 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,640 And they're paying for adults doing adult things, not Jeffrey Epstein, like, 901 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,980 pedophile thing. 902 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,060 I wasn't Ghislaine Maxwell driving around junior high schools. 903 01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:20,300 There's none of that. 904 01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:25,660 And the women came to me and drove when they were like $10 cum buckets. I've got 905 01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:26,780 them $100 ,000 a night. 906 01:02:27,220 --> 01:02:28,960 I have no talent, no skill. 907 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,260 Everything with me has to be created by imagination or luck or persistence and 908 01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:35,260 determination. 909 01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,420 She was really cool. She was really smart. She was pretty business savvy. 910 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,820 I don't know. She had a decent sense of humor. She was never sloppy. 911 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:45,490 You know? 912 01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:47,590 Charlie is a crybaby pussy bitch. 913 01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:50,910 I've been on the cover of Time with the Manson girls. 914 01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:53,070 I'm in the criminal category. 915 01:02:53,470 --> 01:02:56,290 People remember the criminals. That's what they know. 916 01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:58,790 Look, at 27 years old, I was arrested. 917 01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:03,730 I knew I would get arrested one day for running an illegal consensual sex 918 01:03:03,730 --> 01:03:04,730 empire. 919 01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:08,730 But I didn't think it would ever happen the way it happened. 920 01:03:10,029 --> 01:03:13,390 With Heidi, I always just used cash. Everything was fine. 921 01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:16,570 For a while, nobody got hurt, nobody got arrested. 922 01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:18,750 For a while. 923 01:03:20,290 --> 01:03:24,830 And then I was too hammered to go to the bank. I'm pretty sure I was using... 924 01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:26,410 American Express traveler's checks. 925 01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:28,030 Don't leave home without them. 926 01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:32,110 And I said to her, hey, we probably shouldn't do this, but is it cool if I 927 01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:33,330 write a check? 928 01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:36,170 She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. No problem whatsoever. 929 01:03:39,210 --> 01:03:40,210 Big problem. 930 01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:41,750 Oh, so ever. 931 01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:45,830 In the new Vanity Fair magazine, Fleiss breaks her silence about customers for 932 01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:47,490 her high -priced call girl operation. 933 01:03:47,830 --> 01:03:52,390 She claims actor Charlie Sheen wanted prostitutes dressed as cheerleaders. Let 934 01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:54,370 me explain the Charlie, the connection. 935 01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:58,350 His name would have never, ever come out, ever. 936 01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:03,230 For the simple fact, a long time ago, there were things called traveler's 937 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:04,218 checks. 938 01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:09,380 And I guess Charlie was away making Hot Shots Part 3 or something. I don't know. 939 01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:14,240 And he probably had traveler's checks on location that was considered like 940 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,540 money. So when he returned, he called me, I don't know, for some girls and 941 01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:19,580 with traveler's checks. 942 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,380 They were in my Gucci planner along with other traveler's checks from Saudi 943 01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:26,920 royal families and stuff like that. 944 01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:30,890 But the kind of people, the cops don't know who they are, but they know Charlie 945 01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:35,410 Sheen. So that's the only reason his name came out. Otherwise, it never would 946 01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:37,070 have come out. I wouldn't have said anything. 947 01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:38,830 I've never said anything about anyone. 948 01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:42,610 All these Hollywood actors are so scared about being named in this thing. But do 949 01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:46,010 you realize since they cracked down on her, some of the best acting in town is 950 01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:47,470 going on right now. People are going, Heidi who? 951 01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:53,250 No. Heidi has indeed become famous, attracting the attention of the news 952 01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:55,330 from all over the world. Let us through. 953 01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:59,770 It was an intense struggle for Heidi to get into the Division 34. 954 01:05:00,170 --> 01:05:02,810 Everyone wanted to capture a shot of Heidi. 955 01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:09,550 The day after I was arrested, I was sitting out by my pool, looking over the 956 01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:10,550 whole city. 957 01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:12,570 I lived in real Beverly Hills. 958 01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:15,530 I bought my house from the actor Michael Douglas. 959 01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:23,140 And I'm sitting there looking at it just build out going, how did I fuck up the 960 01:05:23,140 --> 01:05:24,740 best job on earth? 961 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,080 They had the checks. 962 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,880 Yeah, that's the part that sunk me. That's the part that I couldn't talk my 963 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,140 out of. I had meetings with the U .S. attorney and they said, look, we will 964 01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:37,980 grant you immunity, but you have to roll on her. 965 01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:43,860 So, you know, I don't want to be a rat, but there was really no other way out of 966 01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:44,769 it. 967 01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:48,290 Robert Mitchum, he was arrested for marijuana. They said, tell us your 968 01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:49,870 He said, charge me with a crime. 969 01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:54,250 Charlie should have said, charge me with a crime. He's a crybaby rich boy. 970 01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:57,910 He's a rich kid from Malibu. They're not going to do shit to him. He's Charlie 971 01:05:57,910 --> 01:06:00,450 Sheen. He was at his peak then. 972 01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:03,670 They're not going to do anything to him. Are you kidding me? 973 01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:05,370 They threatened me. 974 01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:12,330 They said, look, just so you know, it's a misdemeanor to hire a gal, but if 975 01:06:12,330 --> 01:06:17,300 you... get a couple gals and give one to your buddy, that's pandering. 976 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,320 And that's three to five. 977 01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:23,960 And I said, well, no, I would never pay for a gal for my pal, you know? 978 01:06:24,220 --> 01:06:25,960 And they said, we have proof that you did. 979 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,480 Because that was the deal. That was the thing that was like, yeah, of course, 980 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,560 two, 981 01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:35,820 three girls show up and you're with your buddies and it's like, you know, you 982 01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:36,820 get to be a hero, right? 983 01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:40,520 And so I didn't know doing that was... 984 01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:44,570 It's such a potential severe violation of whatever that law is, you know. 985 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:46,630 So, yeah, I was in the suit, man. 986 01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:51,710 It was a really difficult time. Look, when you're facing that kind of, like, 987 01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:54,790 seven and a half years in jail, might as well be a death sentence, because at 988 01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:58,610 that young age, you know, it just seems like eternity. 989 01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:03,830 He testified he spent more than $50 ,000 in three years soliciting prostitutes 990 01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:04,569 from flights. 991 01:07:04,570 --> 01:07:07,070 Was he a good client, Charlie Sheen? 992 01:07:07,610 --> 01:07:11,850 When I said, I'm really trying to put this lady away for basically running a 993 01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:15,850 successful business that's one of the oldest professions on earth. And they 994 01:07:15,850 --> 01:07:17,050 said, no, it's not really about that. 995 01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:18,790 It's about tax evasion. 996 01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:26,690 So I sat with that, and I felt like that really, 997 01:07:28,790 --> 01:07:30,470 that's kind of on her at that point. 998 01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:33,350 He testified against me, and I went to jail. 999 01:07:33,590 --> 01:07:36,530 We need the jury to find the defendant, Heidi Lindsley. 1000 01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:42,240 Guilty. Heidi Fleiss was sentenced to 37 months in jail and a $400 fine for 1001 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,860 cheating on taxes and laundering profits for her call girl service. 1002 01:07:46,180 --> 01:07:51,940 Before I went to prison, I moved to the beach and opened up like a lingerie 1003 01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:55,820 store like you see, opened up Third Street Promenade and Old Town Pasadena. 1004 01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,220 And that was just to switch everything. 1005 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:04,200 And then so one evening, Charlie's dad, Martin Sheen, came in the store. 1006 01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:08,110 And he's telling me to go easy on Charlie. 1007 01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:15,170 And I'm thinking, go easy on Charlie? I'm the one going to jail. The best deal 1008 01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:16,729 was offered was seven and a half years. 1009 01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:22,390 And he's telling me to go easy on Charlie? But that's just a father's love 1010 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:24,830 his son. And it's totally understandable. 1011 01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,689 We're not taught as children how to deal with success. 1012 01:08:29,350 --> 01:08:32,569 They always say if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. That's dealing 1013 01:08:32,569 --> 01:08:33,609 with failure, you know. 1014 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,060 Nobody ever said if at first you succeed, what do you do? 1015 01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:39,819 You know? 1016 01:08:39,979 --> 01:08:41,520 What do you do? 1017 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,120 I don't know. Run and hide. 1018 01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:46,420 The work. 1019 01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:50,939 The money. You're back in circulation, aren't you, Ali? Oh, yeah. My 1020 01:08:50,939 --> 01:08:51,939 circulation's fine. 1021 01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:53,520 It kept happening. 1022 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,760 Gene reportedly took home between $3 and $5 million. 1023 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,279 There were no real consequences. 1024 01:09:02,859 --> 01:09:06,680 We proudly welcome to the Hollywood Walk of Fame still, Charlie Sheen. 1025 01:09:06,939 --> 01:09:07,939 Hey! 1026 01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,740 Whoo! Damn, you got a lot of pool in this town. 1027 01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:14,380 Charlie Sheen, man. 1028 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,939 He's always been loyal to me from the start. 1029 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,600 Charlie was executive producer in the movie, and the studio wanted to give 1030 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,899 Charlie first billing. And he was like, no, no, Chris should have first billing. 1031 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,520 I'm having second billing. He's just... 1032 01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,300 Huge star, you know, not being selfish. 1033 01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:36,040 Who does that in Hollywood? 1034 01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:44,200 The movie started great, and we were cooking with gas. 1035 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,380 Then it got away from me, like it usually does. 1036 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,740 I remember one day he didn't show up to work, but I was late too, so I was like, 1037 01:09:53,740 --> 01:09:56,120 I'm glad he didn't show up so they stay off of me. 1038 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,260 It was one of those things, but when he showed up, we were ready to work. 1039 01:09:59,850 --> 01:10:04,850 One day, I got an 18 -hour nosebleed from doing too much cocaine. And that's 1040 01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:09,230 usually kind of the threshold where you go and get it checked out, and I didn't. 1041 01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:13,190 I just kept kind of blotting it. There was one night where it actually dripped 1042 01:10:13,190 --> 01:10:17,970 onto my shirt during a scene, and I got the director, Brett Ratner, to agree to 1043 01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:20,770 make that shot go away forever. 1044 01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:23,310 And he did, because we'd never seen it, right? 1045 01:10:24,130 --> 01:10:28,010 And that's when it starts to get that the priorities are... 1046 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,980 I couldn't be more wonky, you know. 1047 01:10:31,860 --> 01:10:37,260 Hey, Larry, Larry, come here. I was taking jobs to just fuel the habits. 1048 01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:39,840 I don't know about you, but I got a bad feeling about this. 1049 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,740 I was in Montreal, and I was shooting this movie called Free Money. 1050 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,140 I found a dope connection as soon as I got to Montreal. 1051 01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:54,580 Remind the audience that you refer to dope as something different. It's 1052 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,740 yeah. So I... 1053 01:10:57,260 --> 01:11:03,080 I'd overshot the mark, and it got to the point where I literally could not keep 1054 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,620 my eyes open. 1055 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:10,400 I felt they were so burned and so heavy. The director kind of spotted it. He 1056 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,300 says, you look like you're falling asleep on camera, which had never 1057 01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:18,480 before. I said to him, I said, I need a glass of ice. 1058 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,380 He was like, okay. He said, give me a glass of ice. And I said, I'll be right 1059 01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:24,780 back. There was a little bathroom. 1060 01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:31,170 And I went in there, and I took an ice cube, and I shoved it up my butt. 1061 01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:34,070 Never done that before. 1062 01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:36,030 And, man, I was wide awake. 1063 01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:41,770 Just enough to get back on the mark and finish the fucking scene with an ice 1064 01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:42,770 cube in my ass. 1065 01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:47,370 Making the big money running in a couple of weeks, right, Louie? Yes, sir, with 1066 01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:48,209 due assistance. 1067 01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:49,210 You're shitting me. 1068 01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:51,130 You mean between the Midwest, uh... 1069 01:11:58,549 --> 01:12:05,050 My theory has always been that I don't know that he believes that he deserves 1070 01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:06,170 what he's got. 1071 01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:14,050 I think there's a part of him that throws it all away just to see if he 1072 01:12:14,050 --> 01:12:15,050 deserved it. 1073 01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:19,410 That is what drives people crazy who are close to him, is that there's so many 1074 01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:24,410 great things about him. If he only believed it, he might stop burning it 1075 01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:25,410 down. 1076 01:12:30,090 --> 01:12:31,770 I'm going to tell you something very candid. 1077 01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:37,810 And this is one example, and it's biological. 1078 01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:54,290 Most people, men, who do cocaine, 1079 01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:58,990 copious amounts of cocaine, 1080 01:12:59,210 --> 01:13:04,650 have extremely enhanced 1081 01:13:04,650 --> 01:13:11,290 sexual fantasies, but extremely 1082 01:13:11,290 --> 01:13:15,410 derailed sexual competency at that time. 1083 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:26,450 Thank God for anybody that describes that their dick don't 1084 01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:27,930 work when full of cocaine. 1085 01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:32,850 What the fuck would it be like if it was the opposite? 1086 01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:35,150 Ask Charlie Sheen. 1087 01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:44,810 There's a young gal that C. Thomas, Hal, and myself were kind of seeing at the 1088 01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:48,250 same time, and she was really sweet and sexy and adorable. 1089 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,440 And then she reached out to me one night. I was still in my condo in 1090 01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:58,040 she said, hey, I'm in a spot that I need to be extracted from at once. 1091 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,720 So I went over there, and it was this kind of semi -rundown apartment just 1092 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,420 the canyon, Woodland Hills maybe. 1093 01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:09,340 And I pull up, and it's about 10 o 'clock at night. 1094 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,980 She's in there, and she's in there with this guy, and the vibe of the place was 1095 01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:16,980 not pleasant at all. 1096 01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:21,850 It was eerie, and it felt really unsafe for me. 1097 01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:26,510 I can imagine what she was going through to make this secret call, and he was 1098 01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:27,530 like, who the fuck are you? 1099 01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:31,930 I'm like, hey, man, hey, I don't mean to barge in, but I'm a friend of Sandy's, 1100 01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:35,730 and she said that she needed to get out of here, so I'm here to facilitate that, 1101 01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:41,950 you know? He says, well, hold on a minute, and he fucking grabs her and 1102 01:14:41,950 --> 01:14:44,210 against the wall, and the dude was pretty big. 1103 01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:48,730 And he's yelling at her about a bunch of shit, you know, and something about 1104 01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:49,850 money she owes him. 1105 01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:54,590 Now I'm like, oh, this is moments from getting away from everybody. 1106 01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:59,150 So he's not looking at me, and my car is, like, really close. So I go back to 1107 01:14:59,150 --> 01:15:05,730 the car, and I got an 8K P7 M13 9 mil in my glove box. I put that in my 1108 01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:08,570 waistband. I come back in the house, and I said, all right, whatever's going on, 1109 01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:11,330 let's just call it quits. He's coming with me now. 1110 01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:19,420 So we get back to the condo. 1111 01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:23,540 She falls asleep on the couch. I let her rest for a couple hours. 1112 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,960 The next morning, you know, I'm giving her some juice and, you know, a snack or 1113 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,100 whatever, trying to be hospitable. You know, I really like this girl. 1114 01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:39,300 She says, if you don't mind, I'm starting to jones a little bit, and I 1115 01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:42,480 need to just get back up on my shit, you know. 1116 01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:46,420 And I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure, whatever. 1117 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,180 She pulls out her pipe and loads it up and takes a big hit. 1118 01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,180 Plays back on the couch like she's inside the best moment of all time. 1119 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,740 I'm a little curious. 1120 01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:07,000 I'm a little bit curious. You know, I've done a lot of cocaine up to that point, 1121 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,580 just not in that form. 1122 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,340 She says, you know, I don't want to talk you into anything, but if you're 1123 01:16:15,340 --> 01:16:18,100 curious. I think you might really enjoy this. 1124 01:16:18,860 --> 01:16:20,700 I said, I don't know, man. 1125 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,140 It's like, you know, I'm trying to, I got a lot of shit coming up. 1126 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,440 At that point, she's feeling the sexual charge from her hit. So she's starting 1127 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,520 to undress and she's, you know, almost completely naked at this point. 1128 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:40,380 So she says, well, let me combo this up for you. Let me do something for you 1129 01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:42,000 while you're doing this. 1130 01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:43,659 How do I? 1131 01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:46,120 Present this with any class. 1132 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,820 We're past that. We're past that, yeah. She decides that giving me a blowjob 1133 01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:55,140 while I'm taking my first hit of crack is going to be an experience. 1134 01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:10,960 And so it was indescribable. 1135 01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:15,950 It took me to a place in my brain and in my body and what she was doing. And it 1136 01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:22,950 all made sense on a level that I was really excited to finally embrace. 1137 01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:30,190 But in that same breath, in that same experience, I'm deathly afraid of 1138 01:17:30,190 --> 01:17:35,190 how far this could get away from me. And I was aware of that. 1139 01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:38,970 In the moment. In the moment, yeah. The duality of those. 1140 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,040 two conflicting forces. 1141 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:48,220 And I was banging seven -gram rocks and finishing them. It was something that, 1142 01:17:48,220 --> 01:17:54,880 to this day, just were peerless, you know? 1143 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,280 I mean, I got kind of a little shaky telling that. 1144 01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:05,880 Not like I'm a fucking sissy and I get shaken up by my own story, but I could 1145 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,680 feel some of that shit coming back up. 1146 01:18:12,460 --> 01:18:13,880 Sadly, she died. 1147 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:20,020 She died. Yeah, she OD'd on that shit. She OD'd? Yeah. I think, like, shortly 1148 01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:23,280 before, right after her 30th birthday, you know, it was just such a loss. 1149 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,640 Such a waste. 1150 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,680 Just crack the thing that you just wish had never entered your life. 1151 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,600 Yeah, if I could just kind of carve that one out or just 1152 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,600 erase it, just take it completely out of the equation. 1153 01:18:51,980 --> 01:18:57,380 Yeah, I think I probably would have avoided some 1154 01:18:57,380 --> 01:19:02,180 pretty awful situations, you know. 1155 01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:08,980 The party was over. 1156 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,640 I just didn't know it yet. 1157 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,800 I'd tried everything. 1158 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,780 Why not try shooting up cocaine? 1159 01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:26,480 It felt cinematic. It felt dangerous. It felt, you know, like it had to be such 1160 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,480 a secret. 1161 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,200 I drew it up just like, you know, Tarantino taught so many of us. 1162 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,640 I had a Japanese tattoo that was the colors of war, black and red. 1163 01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:50,540 And wow, things changed so, so quickly. 1164 01:19:58,780 --> 01:20:04,140 It's as though I was suddenly falling forward and I could hear all the blood 1165 01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:07,980 my body rushing as though I had both ears. 1166 01:20:08,650 --> 01:20:11,610 covered with seashells at the beach. 1167 01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:18,830 My legs are shaking so badly that I'm taking these two inch, like, I don't 1168 01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:20,930 fucking Joe Biden steps, right? 1169 01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:25,050 My bodyguard zip was still on the premises. 1170 01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:29,610 And I said, you got to call 911 because this is beyond both of us. 1171 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,280 He was admitted to Los Robles Regional Medical Center at 5 .30 in the morning, 1172 01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:40,900 accompanied by his father. 1173 01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:44,900 Rumors ran rampant that the younger Sheen had a stroke and died. 1174 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,880 One reason why his father wanted to set the record straight. 1175 01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:51,320 And the very first thing I want to assure you of is that my son, Charlie 1176 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,320 is very much alive. 1177 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:59,120 I was kind of in and out, sedated, you know, and so he was doing all that 1178 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,680 without my knowledge. My son was admitted here yesterday. 1179 01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,480 As a result of a drug overdose. 1180 01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:06,620 I just felt like it dumped a bunch of gas on the fire. 1181 01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,540 We are in the stages right now of recovery. 1182 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,080 I had a huge resentment about them. And I said, just give me a little bit of 1183 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,900 space and mind your own fucking business. 1184 01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:18,460 I can get a handle on this. 1185 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,440 We're going to have it out, you and me. 1186 01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:22,460 Right now, son. 1187 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,600 And dad is so freaking frustrated, thinking he and I were coming to 1188 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,440 right? So he took out his teeth because he didn't want to damage them. 1189 01:21:30,970 --> 01:21:32,870 Somebody there had, hey, Martin, Martin, hold on, hold on. 1190 01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:34,570 Violence is not the answer. 1191 01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:37,490 Everybody was super frustrated. 1192 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:41,470 The time expired that they could hold me legally. 1193 01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:46,670 I said to Zip, get me to the condo. Yeah, I wanted to stay high. 1194 01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:54,530 It is my hope that he will accept recovery and become free. 1195 01:21:56,940 --> 01:22:00,660 Do anything you can to get between drugs and your kids. 1196 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,620 Not an easy moment in our lives, but it is a very important one, a very 1197 01:22:05,620 --> 01:22:06,620 necessary one. 1198 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,940 After Charlie Sheen skipped the drug rehab center, Sheen left with his 1199 01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:14,500 over the weekend to go partying. 1200 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,960 You know, the addiction has gotten to a point where I'm scared at this point. 1201 01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:23,580 I'm asking all of his friends and fans to pray for him. 1202 01:22:25,610 --> 01:22:29,650 We're up three, four days, and I didn't want the party to end. 1203 01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:32,130 And the phone rings. 1204 01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:34,050 There's a warrant for your arrest. 1205 01:22:34,630 --> 01:22:36,430 The marshals are en route. 1206 01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:40,870 Sheen's father, actor Martin Sheen, asked California police to make the 1207 01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:43,510 to help his son overcome his drug problem. 1208 01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:50,990 I didn't have a plan. I didn't know how long I could push this thing. 1209 01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:54,630 I think maybe then it was perhaps considering Mexico. 1210 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,200 But meanwhile, Dad's running around doing all he can. 1211 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:03,140 I want to get out of the way of this thing so that a 1212 01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:06,960 healing can occur. 1213 01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:08,700 Three words. 1214 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,920 I love you. 1215 01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:11,820 That was his parenting style. 1216 01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,380 Fear is useless. 1217 01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:15,460 Faith is necessary. 1218 01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:17,780 Love is everything. 1219 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,540 We wound up just a little pit stop at Flash's house. 1220 01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:28,540 He said, dude, I don't know that I've seen anyone before in this kind of 1221 01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:30,700 This is Flash, right? 1222 01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:33,900 GNR rock god. 1223 01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:37,360 The life he's led. And he said, no, dude, you're out of options. 1224 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,920 You've got to get the rehab. You've got to save yourself, man. 1225 01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:42,460 And coming from him, the way he presented it was like, whoa. 1226 01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:45,440 Message delivered. 1227 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,700 Dad, I'm going to jail. You know it. 1228 01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:49,720 It's the best thing that could have happened to you. 1229 01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:55,950 And under the current circumstances, why do I perceive to be his ingestion of 1230 01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:56,950 controlled substances? 1231 01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:59,250 He needs to be in a rehabilitation program. 1232 01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:04,410 Hearing about certain things on the news, it was out there. 1233 01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:07,690 You know, I caught up with his life at that point. 1234 01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:12,850 I was definitely concerned. I would try to talk to people around him, see how he 1235 01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:13,850 was doing, where he was at. 1236 01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:20,230 But I wanted him to get better and to be safe. And thank God for his family. 1237 01:24:20,830 --> 01:24:23,230 his father, and just stuck with him. 1238 01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:30,610 They take me from the courthouse, they deliver me to rehab, and they sedate me 1239 01:24:30,610 --> 01:24:34,490 heavily. The equivalent of, you know, let's put the elephant to sleep for a 1240 01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:39,630 -sized dose, you know? But man, there was a guy watching me sleep, and how he 1241 01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:42,910 tells the story, it was like Michael Myers in the background. 1242 01:24:45,070 --> 01:24:48,050 Just waking right up and kind of taking in my surroundings. 1243 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,460 I said, I need some air. I've got to take a walk. 1244 01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:02,620 And I managed to get a hold of my trusty limo driver, Dylan. 1245 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,860 I'm like, my chariot has arrived. 1246 01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:11,260 Behind us, it's just cherry top. 1247 01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:19,280 It's hard to have that much power out in the world, and then... 1248 01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:21,050 have it taken away in a flash. 1249 01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:23,330 They got me medicated pretty severely. 1250 01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:26,330 They wean you off the meds that they put you on. 1251 01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:32,410 I'm on like day 11, and it's the first day I'm off everything, and I start to 1252 01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:33,289 fucking panic. 1253 01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:38,710 Those were the most difficult moments to navigate, kind of having to accept that 1254 01:25:38,710 --> 01:25:40,050 the party was over. 1255 01:25:42,370 --> 01:25:47,450 So I get a hold of my bodyguard, Zip, and Zip goes through my condo and... 1256 01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:49,740 Breaks everything out of it. 1257 01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:51,980 Sticks it in a bag. 1258 01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:59,320 In one of the quietest nights I've ever existed in, this bag comes like 1259 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,840 hittering through the night air so fucking loud you couldn't believe it. 1260 01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:06,520 And this thing hits the mud. 1261 01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:11,100 The sober gods were like, all right, man, you're going to get a little bit of 1262 01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,160 shit on you for this one. 1263 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,400 I have one hit, and it's not great. 1264 01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:18,840 Nothing at that point is great, and I remember just kind of sitting in the 1265 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,820 just staring at the freaking ceiling, this beige concrete ceiling. 1266 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,820 There was no high left. 1267 01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:43,740 Yeah, I get a knock on my door, and I knew that was coming, and I had this 1268 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:46,350 Tracy fedora that I'd been... wearing around town. 1269 01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:48,750 And they were like, where's the dope? 1270 01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:51,570 So I basically take my hat off and give them the dope. 1271 01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:56,010 And I said to him, I have but one request. 1272 01:26:56,690 --> 01:26:59,070 There was a crucial game six, jazz balls. 1273 01:26:59,630 --> 01:27:05,790 And I said, all I really want to do is be able to sit down and watch that 1274 01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:06,789 freaking game. 1275 01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:07,990 Y 'all ready for Air Jordan? 1276 01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:10,509 Air who? 1277 01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:13,250 And he said, okay, all right, that's actually a good sign. 1278 01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:14,510 I'm encouraged. 1279 01:27:14,890 --> 01:27:18,630 that you're still seeking an interest in something that grounded. 1280 01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:26,730 And I did. I watched that game. 1281 01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:35,170 And he hit the shot. 1282 01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:40,530 He saved the course and I didn't. 1283 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:51,240 I knew after that, that game was going to be my new sobriety date. 1284 01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:53,840 Things were going to be fucking different. 1285 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,080 Yeah, a lot different. 1286 01:28:03,980 --> 01:28:10,160 I had no idea how badly this could blow up. I'm doing all right. Every time the 1287 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,800 bell rings, you got to take a shot. 1288 01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,200 Why? 1289 01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:15,320 Because the bell rings. 1290 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,600 You know, untreated crazy over time doesn't get better. It gets fucking 108985

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