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Men, men, men, men, manly men, men, men.
Men, men, men, men, manly men, men,
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men. Men, men, men, men, manly men.
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Men,
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men, men, men, manly men, men. I
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worked with Charlie Sheen for eight
years. And if
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you wonder what it's like to work...
with Charlie Sheen for eight years.
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When I started, I had hair.
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I had some trepidation about
participating in this, partially because
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the cycle of Charlie Sheen's life has
been that he messes up terribly, he hits
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rock bottom, and then he gets things
going again, and he brings a lot of
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positivity in his life, and that's when
he burns himself out again, and he just
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can't help.
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that house on fire.
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And I didn't want to be a part of that
cycle.
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You know, I'm not here to build him up,
and I'm not here to tear him down.
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But I sure hope this doesn't go bad.
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It seemed like it was going to be like
any other flight.
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I wasn't, like, sloppy drunk.
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But I was already pretty half in the
bag, you know.
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It was my first honeymoon.
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And Donna was, I guess she was still
reeling from the absence of romance in
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soggy freaking wine excursion.
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Platoon and Wall Street were huge in
Japan. And so I was selling Madras
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Tokyo gas, air conditioners and heaters,
and Parliament cigarettes.
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Donna was the model in the Parliament
commercial.
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But yes, tensions were high. We were
both a little bit short with each other.
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And I finally just say, fuck it. I
needed something quick and strong.
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So I power probably four, five, six
dots.
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You know, of course, a lot of people,
like, recognize me.
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The navigator was outside the cockpit.
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Ah, Mr. Heen, would you like to come
meet the captain? And I'm like, hell
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right?
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I go into the cockpit, and the captain
gets up, and...
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He says, can we get a photo?
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And I said, yes, but it'd be really cool
if I was in your captain's jacket.
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He's like, yes, we need to show it.
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It'd even be cooler if I was wearing
your cap.
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And he's like, yes, of course.
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I said, I mean, if we're going to do
this, let's go all the way.
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Can I sit in your seat?
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But I'm approaching pirate drunk.
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The sun is just starting to peek through
the horizon.
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And just rested my hands on the
controls.
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George is flying the plane. That's like
international code for autopilot, right?
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And I said, just making a joke. I said,
so is George still flying the plane? And
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the co -pilot flicks a switch and says,
nothing anymore.
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I'm sitting there thinking, fuck.
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I'm there, drunk.
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Close to 300 people asleep behind me, an
angry bride 20 feet behind me, and I
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start guiding this plane.
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Very, very subtle adjustments.
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And this perfect, magical flying machine
responded in a way that I
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cannot put in words.
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And then they saw that maybe this might
get away from them.
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And the copilot turned
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George back on.
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And so then I felt the plane just kind
of settle back into where it knew that
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needed to be, you know.
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I sat back down, owning this experience,
and I just knew that trouble was on the
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horizon. After just five months,
Hollywood bad boy Charlie Sheen and
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Peeler calling it quits.
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Drunk, off your ass, flying a passenger
plane, 400 people behind you. Are you
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thinking to yourself, holy shit, I'm
untouchable? You know what I mean? Does
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that happen? Does that go through a
guy's mind when he has that kind of
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Yes.
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You know the best thing about diners?
What's that?
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There's no surprises.
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If you walk into a diner with
unrealistic expectations of what they
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offer, go fuck yourself.
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Cheers. Are you sober today? How long
have you been sober?
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I knew you were going to ask me that.
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I am sober today. I'm in my seventh
year, which is pretty good. But by the
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people see this, unless things go
tragically sideways, that will still be
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case.
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How do you imagine structuring the story
of
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Charlie Sheen?
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I think we can break it down into these
three portions or these three sections.
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It was partying, partying with problems,
and then just
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problems.
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Last time I took drugs, I probably took
more than anybody could survive.
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What are we talking about, how much?
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I don't know, man. I was banging seven
-gram rocks and finishing them because
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that's how I roll. I have one speed. I
have one gear. Go.
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Charlie Sheen was among the clients of
her $1 ,500 hookers.
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Is there going to be anything off
-limits?
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No. You know there are a lot of rumors
out there right now, and you would like
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to address them head -on. I'm here to
admit that I am, in fact, HIV positive.
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When you've got a lot of shame about a
lot of stuff, shame is suffocating.
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And what's your husband's name?
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Charlie. But in the same way, shame can
turn into someone's North Star, you
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know, or their South Star, or the Death
Star, you know?
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Where are you with it?
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I'm, uh... He spent much of Christmas
Day on lockdown.
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I mean, the stuff that I plan on
sharing, I had made a sacred vow years
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only reveal to a therapist.
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He judged me, he condemned me, he
discarded me.
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Well, not anymore.
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Winning!
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I think there's so many stories and so
many ingrained images in people's minds
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about the concept of me.
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It's not even like think of me as a
person. They think of me as a concept or
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specific moment in time.
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There's only one person alive that has
the answers to so many people's
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about me.
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Fuck it. Somebody call action.
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I was born dead.
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Yeah, I had the umbilical wrapped.
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There was no signs of life.
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Dad was a devout Catholic and he was
already looking for a priest to deliver
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some last rites. And mom was way more
optimistic. She had faith.
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And the doctor beat me black and blue
until there were signs of life.
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So, good start.
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When your life starts like that,
basically doesn't start, it can do a
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your head.
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Her name is Carlos Erwin Estevez.
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And Erwin came from the doctor that
delivered me and saved me.
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There's four of us.
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I'm third.
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And Ramon is right above me, Emilio's
above him, and my sister's below me.
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You must believe me. I'm telling the
truth. Oh, you've lied so much.
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The mission focus was Dad and his job.
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Can you help me?
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Listen, I'm going to get a hold of Frank
Hamer. Have him take a look at you and
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run some tests.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Martin Sheen.
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Lived in New York until I was three.
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And then Dad, well, he decided early on.
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Sell the furniture. You know, it's time.
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We're outie.
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Malibu was very rural at the time and
kind of removed from Los Angeles and all
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of that hubbub.
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There was a freedom of spirit in the
air, and the place wasn't overrun. It
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wasn't super crowded. You could still
travel the highway any time of the day
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with relative ease.
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It wasn't a community of mansions.
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I met him before he was Charlie Sheen. I
met him when he was Carlos Estevez.
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People think that just because it was
Martin Sheen that they grew up very
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That's far from it.
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I used to go over to his house and stay
in, what do you call those, beanbags?
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There was nothing, you know, extravagant
about what they had. They didn't grow
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up with that life.
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And so you had auto mechanics and school
teachers on your street. Nothing like
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today.
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And I say it was great because it was
kind of like Huckleberry Finn by the
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water.
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We shared a moment of youth that's
magic.
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We were surrounded by an air of just a
general freedom of expression.
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I mean, they'll hate me for revealing
this, but, you know, my parents, maybe
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a month or five, I don't know, they
practiced nudism, you know?
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So, yeah, I'm five walking in the
kitchen and there's my naked parents.
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My parents gave us our first super
camera when I was like six or seven.
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Hey, brother, did you guys out there
ever try this new American continental
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hairdo, man?
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It's the newest style, man.
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You see, they just take a wet rag, man,
and they rub it through your hair. It's
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like a dinosaur's tail, man.
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It's really weird, man.
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We started instantly with, all right,
here's how much time we have. Here's our
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cast. Here's the plot.
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So -and -so has done something to this
person, and so this guy has to see
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prevent.
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And my brother Emilio was always with
me.
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It was really the only time that he and
I were focused
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on a common goal.
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Everything outside of that was pretty
uncommon.
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We had a rivalry that went on for a long
time.
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Super 8 films.
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That was our canvas.
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Being on location with Dad really became
our film school.
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Especially during Apocalypse Now.
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It was just one of those life -changing
experiences, you know?
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My dad always made that very clear that
he wanted us all to be with him in his
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work. He didn't want the family dynamic
to suffer just because he had this job
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somewhere else.
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And I thought we were incredibly lucky
to be able to go along with.
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So I'm in the Philippines on Apocalypse.
I think I was 11 by then.
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The scope of the production, the length
of the production, the exposure to
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the talent.
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Written by, directed by Francis Ford
Coppola.
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Our most influential and important
filmmaker.
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The man responsible for The Godfather.
His current giant film took three and a
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half years.
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Your dad was struggling with substance
abuse, right? Yeah. That was part of
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story. Yeah. Did you know that?
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I sensed it. There is a moment in the
Philippines.
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That is as crystal clear as though it
happened yesterday.
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And we were outdoors at lunch early at
one of the tables, you know. I remember
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dad sitting down right next to me. And I
remember I could smell it. I could
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smell the booze, you know. And he wasn't
home. He wasn't there. And he had that
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K -bar knife.
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And he put it between his teeth.
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And he turned to me with that knife
between his teeth.
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And I was just like.
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He had departed.
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So then I come to find out that that was
in the middle of the opening sequence.
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He was there for a couple of months
without us and then started hearing
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that Dad was sick.
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Dave Salvin let Melissa tell Barry
Hirsch that Marty had a heart attack.
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What the fuck is that?
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Do you know that it's going to be all
over Hollywood in a half an hour?
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If Marty dies, I want to hear that
everything's okay until I say Marty is
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You got it?
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When we came back to the Philippines and
saw him for the first time,
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He was taking baby steps on a cane, and
he was crying, and he was devoid of that
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dad light.
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It was gone, you know?
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I had brought a couple of baseball
gloves. I was playing baseball at the
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And so we'd go out somewhere on the
ground, and we'd start throwing the
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And the first day, it might have been at
five feet.
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for 10 throws, and the next day it might
have been at 10 feet for 15 throws, and
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this went on and on and on until we were
at a decent distance and, you know,
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just playing catch.
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He credits me with having a major hand
in helping him during his rehab to get
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his strength back, get his focus back,
just get his life back.
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Yeah, this fucking mattered.
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Yeah, it was, it just redefined that age
-old moment of a
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father -son playing catch.
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But it's hard not to visit that and not
get a little choked up because I know
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what it meant to him, what it still
means to him, you know.
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I think it's hard for sons to always,
you know, share with their fathers
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truly in their heart.
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I hope he sees some of this as the love
letter to him that it is.
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Emilio and dad, they fully support me.
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They're rooting for me in ways you can't
even imagine.
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I can't expect people to revisit all the
drug abuse and all the shitty choices
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that hurt people I love.
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And, yeah, would I love them both in
this? Absolutely. But I completely
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understand why they chose not to.
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You got me smoking now.
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It's your second heart attack, then.
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I guess I never told you.
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But I love you, Dad.
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We kept making Super 8 films back on the
ranch.
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Hey, hey, what are you doing? And after
Apocalypse, the Super 8s got way darker.
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A lot of murder in you.
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Yeah.
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Well,
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look what was happening to our dad.
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We were basically duplicating, emulating
what dad was doing.
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Bang,
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bang.
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My baby shot me down.
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We got, I don't want to say numbed, but
we kind of grew accustomed to watching
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our father die on film.
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Oh, my God.
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I think we recognized early on that
those type of plot lines were
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What you are seeing here is a man in
great pain.
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Beaten by the mob and dying.
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Martin was a big thing for all of us.
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I'm doing nothing, man.
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I'm here and I'm doing nothing.
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Listen, so it's a little boring. It's a
lot boring.
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So I guess it felt like we were close to
the actual world of it.
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It's important to note that in and
around a lot of the Super 8 film
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there was a lot of weed involved.
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So that was really like the first drug.
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There was a lot of pot.
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Drugs played a large role there. You
know, as they got older and started
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experimenting with everything.
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It's weird.
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I drank the stuff, and I can't seem to
remember what happened next.
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Yeah, and, you know, just the typical
booze habits that kids that age would
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have.
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I think my first drink was a Mickey's
Big Mouth. Remember those?
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Yeah, I downed like two of them thinking
this is how it's done, you know, and
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then the next hour puking.
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And then I guess the normal person parks
it and says, well, that didn't work
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out. The abnormal person says, all
right, I'm feeling good enough to try
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again, hopefully with a better result,
you know.
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And then you also have this other friend
in Tony Todd who had nothing to do with
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that. No, none of it. Do -do -do -do -do
-do.
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Tony Todd's one of my favorite people
ever and one of my best friends in this
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lifetime. He's as reliable and
compassionate and loyal and committed as
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anyone could ever ask for, you know?
Well, every person needs a black friend,
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I'm just kidding. But I think they do.
What brought us together was our passion
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for sports.
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He's very competitive. I'm competitive.
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Tony's never done a drug in his life.
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I think he's had a sip of one drink.
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Never had a drink with him.
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I'm just there for him because I'm a
friend.
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He's been the most consistent for sure.
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Yeah, he touched every decade, every
era, every... all of it, you know.
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Now, we want you to sort of go through
the car like that.
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I would think that we were going to be
up high.
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Emilio Estevez doesn't normally ride
motorcycles, so he's listening very
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carefully to stunt coordinator Nate
Long.
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This is Emilio's first major acting job,
but he is no newcomer to the movie
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business. As a matter of fact, if you
look closely, he bears a good
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to Martin Sheehan, one of Hollywood's
most sought -after actors and star of
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Apocalypse Now.
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He uses his real name and keeps it a
pretty good secret about his famous
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Emilio and Dad had a huge fight about
Emilio.
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using Sheen or Estevez and dad wishing
he'd stayed with Estevez to honor his
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heritage and all that good stuff.
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And then Emilio said, okay, all right,
there is a better ring to Emilio and
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Estevez. Emilio Sheen didn't have a
flow, you know.
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It was a house on fire for him, man. It
was, he had opportunities that none of
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us had even, you know, imagined before
that.
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Emilio pulled the focus quite a lot and
he deserved it.
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I don't know if that inspired Charlie,
but I think he did see that maybe that's
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something that's available to me, too.
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He'd done legitimate work.
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He had his dough.
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And now he has freedom.
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The prom king of Santa Monica High
School. Please welcome Emilio Estevez.
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I get it. I see all the girls. I see all
the fun. I see all the, you know, all
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the excitement.
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And that was intoxicating.
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You know, I couldn't have been more
jealous.
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High school for me. Yeah, that was a
mess.
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I may hold the record. I have the
attendance record of somewhere in the 30
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percentile range.
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And a GPA, I think it's like a one, two.
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Oh, yeah.
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Charlie, you know, didn't graduate from
high school.
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And then his dad was on his case about,
you know, you got to get out and get a
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job. I told my parents, I said, look.
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Let me explore the acting thing. Let me
audition this first summer. Let me just
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do this. You know, look what Emilio's
doing. Look what all his friends are
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doing. You dick!
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And if it shits out, then I will figure
out a way to, you know, get a GED or
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something, and I'll go on to a
university and I'll study film. I'll
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editor or a cinematographer or a
freaking something.
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And they were like, okay, deal.
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So I was Charlie Estevez all the way
through high school.
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But personal disappointment, you know,
school, girls.
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Yeah, it felt like it was time to clean
that slate and start moving forward with
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a different identity.
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And so I went to Pop and I said, I think
that someone needs to carry the name
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on, you know.
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And I said, I think Charlie Sheen just
rolls off the tongue a little easier.
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I can see it in lights, Pop.
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It's like this is a role for him, maybe,
you know?
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It's the role of Charlie Sheen, and it's
a good one.
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My first summer of auditioning, I'd like
to say that I got the first job that I
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went on.
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Oh, my God, I've got a blister on my big
toe. Backpack, come on, Tina, do me a
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small favor.
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What? Put a lid on it. Tell us what.
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That movie is... It's shit.
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It's called Grizzly 2, The Predator.
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It's a sequel to Grizzly.
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And
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there's
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Laura Dern and George Clooney.
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That's pretty good company, right?
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We're in the first scene as the three
campers, and they're dating, and I'm the
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third wheel guy.
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We shot the film in Budapest.
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Right before I left, I had this
audition, and that was the biggest
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town, and I fucked it up. It was a mess.
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And the director, he saw it differently,
because he wanted to know how fast you
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can get into karate training.
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I'm like, okay, like for what, one of
the hoodlums on that team of bad guys?
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And they're like, no, no, Danny, for the
guy.
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I was offered the lead role in The
Karate Kid.
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Yeah, that was a big deal.
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This was like a huge moment, you know.
This was a star -turning moment.
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And I said, well, I got to go to
Budapest.
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So I took it to my dad, and I said, hey,
man, I got this thing, and it's a life
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-changing opportunity.
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And so they want me in karate training,
like, tomorrow.
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And he said, well, there's a problem
here.
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You gave this other company your word.
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I said, yeah, but it's forgettable, and
it's a thing, and it's like eight lines.
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He said, none of that matters. You gave
them your word.
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He said, your word in this business is
going to carry you a lot further than
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big movie.
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So we politely told the karate kid
people that if they could wait two
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I'm all in, and they said they couldn't.
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They said they couldn't.
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So that went away.
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Ralph Macchio.
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Got it. Correct?
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Perfect. And I had to sit with that.
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But it was the Karate Kid in 1984 that
turned Ralph Macchio into a star.
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It also turned him into a teen idol,
gracing every cover of the top teen
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magazines. And, you know, it goes like
that sometimes.
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It sucked.
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And in that moment, tell me about your
mindset towards your dad.
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I was pissed.
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I was pissed. I thought I was terribly
misled.
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So what if you're wrong?
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What if one day the sun didn't rise in
the east, the birds didn't fly south for
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the winter, and for once your compass
was off?
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How about now?
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Not one bit.
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Not one bit, yeah.
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I mean, yeah, it went on to burn down
the world and spawn, what, five sequels
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whatever, and he probably made $20
million.
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However, I don't know that it
necessarily opened up a lot of doors to
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maybe other stuff that he was passionate
about.
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I don't want to say I dodged a bullet.
Maybe I dodged a back kick.
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The interesting thing that happened
right around that time, he becomes a
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There's probably a lot of people out
there that don't even know that you have
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daughters or sons.
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Yeah, no, I have five children and three
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granddaughters.
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Cassandra, my first child, will be 40
this year.
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You know, at the time, I didn't feel
like I was ready for that.
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And that contribution was a whole other
energy for our family, that now he had a
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daughter, and my niece's mom was also
very young, and my parents helped raise
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her a lot.
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The stakes had risen to a place that I
was ill -equipped to navigate.
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But being aware of that there was a lot
of love in the room, there was a lot of
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support, I'm thinking it's time to focus
my sights forward.
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If there's one Hollywood director who
has his creative finger on the pulse of
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today's high school kids, it's John
Hughes. With 16 candles and the
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club, he endeared himself to the teen
crowd. I think he's very honest and that
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he doesn't try to show us for something
that we're not.
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One day, I get this strange phone call
from Jennifer Grey, who was a friend.
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I told you I was telling the truth,
Daddy.
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And she said, hey, I'm doing this big
movie, which was Ferris Bueller's Day
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right? We're filming in Long Beach. I
think you should come down, and I've
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recommended you to John Hughes.
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It's only one scene or two scenes, but
they're both pretty memorable. They're
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both with me.
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I'm like, well, what is it? Who is this
guy? What's the scene? She's like, don't
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worry about it. Just read it, prepare as
best as you can, and then get your ass
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down there.
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00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:55,530
So Ramon was going through this punk
rock phase, right?
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He had this leather jacket that I wanted
to borrow.
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He was a smoker at the time, so I dug
into his ashtray and darkened my eyes
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this. It's cigarette ash.
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Jennifer greets me and Matthew Broderick
comes out of his trailer and she
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introduces us just at a distance.
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So it's literally Hughes now walking
across the parking lot. And I got the
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sides, I got the jacket, I got the
thing, I got the hair going on.
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Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Hughes. And
he's like, wow, look at you. You look
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great, kid.
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We'll see you next week.
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I'm like, yeah.
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See you next week.
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Jennifer's like, good job, man.
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I'm like, what the fuck did I do? All I
did was get out of my car, right?
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So I got this gig, but this other
opportunity arises.
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And it's kind of just dropped in our
lap.
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00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:55,950
Martin and Charlie Sheen are going to
take on the great Michael Jordan, the
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great basketball player. Dad, publicist
was tight with Dick Van Patten.
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Dick was hosting this sports -themed
show called War of the Stars.
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It pitted actors against athletes.
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Do you have any tactics?
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Just primarily to score, if at all
possible.
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So the day of this event, and I've got
the sides, I said, Dad, can we work on
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the scene in the limo on the way down to
playing Michael Jordan?
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And he says, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
kid, what do you got?
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So you're pissed off because he ditches
and doesn't get caught, is that it?
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00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:31,850
So we read it once.
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00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:34,550
You ought to spend a little more time
dealing with yourself.
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A little less time worrying about what
your brother does.
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He says, okay.
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All right, you got it.
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I'm like, yeah, but I don't know it. And
he says, no, no, no.
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Exactly what you just did with it is
what you need to do with it when you
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it.
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I said, but I did nothing. And he says,
exactly.
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There's no acting today.
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It's all for real.
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It's in a high school gymnasium. The
bleachers are filled with kids that go
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that school.
462
00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:03,350
The competition.
463
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:08,090
It was broken down into three sections,
and it's free throws, it's a game of
464
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:09,670
horse, and it's a two -on -one.
465
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:12,990
Dad and I can both shoot free throws.
We're not worried about that, right?
466
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:13,990
good from the strike.
467
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:16,070
The horse game, we figured, that's him.
468
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:19,550
We don't have a shot there. He's going
to do things we've never seen before,
469
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:20,750
right?
470
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:22,530
But two -on -one.
471
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:26,750
He cannot guard two people at the same
time. We've got to spread the floor a
472
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:30,370
little bit. We've got to come together
and show this dude what we're made of.
473
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:33,370
I missed the first shot.
474
00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:34,790
I missed.
475
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,830
But the universe that day hasn't given.
476
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:41,710
Right on.
477
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:43,590
Two for three for Charlie Sheen.
478
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:46,230
The young girls here really like
Charlie.
479
00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:48,610
And he's putting on a big show for them.
480
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:52,850
And then I proceed to hit eight and a
half.
481
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:54,190
Perfect!
482
00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:58,590
I guess the detail that I omitted is
that he had to shoot with his eyes
483
00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:03,350
But come on, I mean, we've got to, you
know, introduce handicaps.
484
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:05,270
He needs just one more.
485
00:34:07,910 --> 00:34:09,270
And he does it!
486
00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:13,710
Martin and Charlie seem to beat Michael
Jordan in foul shooting to take a one
487
00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:15,630
-nothing lead in their pre -contest
match.
488
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:19,469
So, the next section was a game of
horse.
489
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:25,460
Jordan steps up to half court, and as
though he's shooting a free throw, just
490
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:27,980
nothing but net.
491
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,159
And Dan...
492
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:45,020
That
493
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:49,020
was that moment when you know there's
something bigger than us.
494
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,719
In the mix here.
495
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,040
It's like trying to process.
496
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,420
I just made a basket being defended by
Michael Jordan.
497
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,500
The whole ride back home.
498
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:22,330
I felt like a magic carpet. It was
intensely surreal.
499
00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:25,250
And the story with Michael does not end
there.
500
00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:27,670
He becomes a bit of a through line.
501
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:35,430
Now I've got a few days to get ready for
my big cameo in Ferris Bueller's Day
502
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:36,430
Off.
503
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:41,030
And the night before, I'm trying to
figure out who this guy is. He seems
504
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:42,230
he's from the other side of the tracks.
505
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:45,050
So I'm going to stay up late.
506
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,760
I just figure if I show up looking
tired, that that's going to be an asset.
507
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,400
I know what's wrong.
508
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,840
I just want to hear you say it. There
was no booze, there was no dope, there
509
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,500
nothing involved in that night preparing
for this. You ought to spend a little
510
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,700
more time dealing with yourself, a
little less time worrying about what
511
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:03,479
brother does.
512
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,880
This was just purely organic method
approach, you know?
513
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,820
I need to look tired, so I'm going to be
tired.
514
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,680
My call time down there was like 6 a .m.
515
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:17,830
And I set my alarm for 4 .30. I was
going to leave at 5, give myself an
516
00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:23,570
And I did that stupid thing where the
alarm went off and I was like, I'll just
517
00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:24,690
grab that extra 10 minutes.
518
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,810
And that extra 10 minutes turned into an
extra hour and a half.
519
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:32,810
And the next time I saw the clock, it
was 6 .30. And I'm in a fucking panic.
520
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:40,110
So, you know, there were no cell phones.
You couldn't really let anybody know.
521
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:42,410
So they're all down there like, what
happened to dude?
522
00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:46,510
And I finally get down there. It's
probably like 7, 7 .15.
523
00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:48,870
And there's Jennifer Grey, man.
524
00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:52,210
And she is pacing.
525
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:56,630
She's back and forth. And I pull up, and
I kind of get out of my car and
526
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:57,690
sheepishly approach her.
527
00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:02,730
She fucking lays into me, man. What is
wrong with you? I go out on a fucking
528
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:05,590
limb to create this opportunity for you,
and you do this.
529
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:07,810
So I go through makeup. I go through
wardrobe.
530
00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:09,690
And I finally get to the set.
531
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:12,200
And I'm expecting a dressing down from
him as well.
532
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,820
And he looks at me. He says, okay,
533
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:17,700
good, you're here.
534
00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:18,740
Let's get started.
535
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,820
Did that give you any kind of like,
well, I can do this and get away with
536
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,280
Maybe subconsciously.
537
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,160
And so we rehearsed it a couple times,
and then he just started rolling camera.
538
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,600
And action.
539
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:34,680
I got very little direction that day.
540
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,580
And then I had the thing where I used to
crack my knuckles.
541
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:43,000
He had a couple cameras on the scene,
and his guy drifted down to that, and
542
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
that's in the movie.
543
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,480
I think I came close to honoring what
Dad recommended to the approach to the
544
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,720
scene. You're pissed off because he
ditches and doesn't get caught, is that
545
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,900
Basically. Basically.
546
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,920
Your problem is you.
547
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:03,220
Excuse me?
548
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:04,380
Excuse you.
549
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,240
You ought to spend a little more time
dealing with yourself.
550
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:09,910
A little less time worrying about what
your brother does.
551
00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:17,890
And that scene turned into a thing that
I couldn't have possibly
552
00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:21,750
anticipated, expected, or predicted.
553
00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:24,410
You ever held another job before?
554
00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:28,010
Yeah, I was so trashed when I said it.
555
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:31,190
You lost that one?
556
00:38:32,530 --> 00:38:33,870
That one would be here if I had.
557
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:39,550
I think if you look at Charlie's movies,
there's been kind of a connecting
558
00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:46,490
thread to thematics and environments
that were the movies they
559
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:47,950
grew up watching their father shoot.
560
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:57,890
Ferris Bueller is running now. He's so
funny. I wait for that scene when you
561
00:38:57,890 --> 00:39:01,690
come on. It is the best thing in the
film. Thank you. So funny. I don't know
562
00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:04,690
about that, but I appreciate that. Thank
you. Everybody loved the movie overall,
563
00:39:04,990 --> 00:39:09,390
but this one lady in particular, I can't
remember her name, but at the very end
564
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,810
of the review, she said something like,
special attention needs to be made for
565
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:21,410
Charlie Sheen in his one scene. And then
her one line was, he smolders.
566
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:22,930
No joke.
567
00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:25,430
And I thought, huh.
568
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:30,490
Now I'm on screen for, I don't know,
three minutes?
569
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:32,130
Four?
570
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:35,350
And the whole world suddenly goes, he's
the fucking guy.
571
00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:38,570
And imagine what that did to my head.
572
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:43,830
I remember I had no awareness that
Charlie was developing such a career.
573
00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:49,310
And then I was at one of these family
holidays at my parents' house, and there
574
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:51,010
was Charlie a foot taller.
575
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:52,950
chiseled jaw.
576
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:57,310
He looked like a baby version of George
Washington when he was a kid, you know,
577
00:39:57,350 --> 00:39:58,990
a little blimpy, you know, face.
578
00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:04,690
And here he was, this handsome, tall
young man who was starring in movies.
579
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:06,690
And I thought, wow, isn't he great?
580
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:11,750
You know, he was someone you knew in
your childhood, finding a big zone of
581
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:16,270
expression and having so much to offer.
But you're about 21, right? I am 21,
582
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:20,010
yeah. So people your age, do they know
much about Vietnam and your own
583
00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:20,959
experience? Yeah.
584
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Yeah, to a certain extent, what they
teach you in history in high
585
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,360
school. I had auditioned for Platoon,
and there was a train wreck. And then
586
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:39,940
Platoon was greenlit shortly after that,
and Emilio was going to be playing
587
00:40:39,940 --> 00:40:40,940
the lead role.
588
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:45,780
And then they lost their financing, and
the director, Oliver Stone, decided just
589
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:47,900
to put the brakes on for a minute.
590
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:49,400
Then it came back around.
591
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,220
And that's when Oliver asked me to come
back and do a second audition.
592
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,180
Did you have a moment with your brother
about this?
593
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,120
It's just the way things had to go.
594
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,120
It's the way things had to go. Do you
have a sibling rivalry? As far as
595
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560
film competition, I think that's all,
that's just a waste of time because
596
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,780
not up for the same parts. We're not, we
don't play the same types.
597
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,570
You were on the set when your dad was
shooting Apocalypse Now.
598
00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:24,090
Was this similar?
599
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:28,850
I was witnessing this Coppola -esque $40
million production as an 11 -year -old.
600
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:35,450
And now going back 10 years later to do
Platoon, like my version, it was kind of
601
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:38,750
scary, but it was like a strange,
symbolic homecoming for me.
602
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:51,050
During that shoot, I was presented with
a contract written on a napkin
603
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,710
in the Philippine jungle from Oliver
Stone to commit to Wall Street.
604
00:41:55,350 --> 00:41:58,770
And I said, okay, I know where Wall
Street is. What's the movie about? And
605
00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:03,110
said, it's the story of a young trader
seduced by the promise of quick gains.
606
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:05,990
I'm like, all right, that sounds pretty
cool.
607
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:07,330
Look, Dixon, relax.
608
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:10,950
It's not illegal to buy stock or to be
accurate, and it's not all that unusual
609
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:14,090
to be spot -checked on a big buy. Just
tell them that you did your homework and
610
00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:15,310
you thought the stock was a sound
investment.
611
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,320
The nominees for Best Picture are
Platoon.
612
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:27,140
I was in New York filming Wall Street
watching Platoon, but for Best Picture,
613
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,040
you know, on a Sunday night. And the
winner is?
614
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,560
There's before Platoon and there's after
Platoon.
615
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,100
Platoon.
616
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,500
I mean, Best Picture is funny.
617
00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:46,310
Yeah, it kind of sets the stage.
618
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:51,390
You know who he is.
619
00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:52,910
Charlie Sheen.
620
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:57,390
Just indescribable opportunities.
621
00:42:58,250 --> 00:43:01,450
The place goes crazy for you, don't
they? It's a little embarrassing.
622
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:05,370
He just became a mega superstar.
623
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:10,630
It's Charlie Sheen, man. Hugest star in
the world.
624
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:17,310
I was on a level that couldn't be
touched.
625
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:24,970
One night, I decided to head out on the
town with a few of my mates.
626
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:32,310
And we catch wind of this party in West
Hollywood, right? We get the address and
627
00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:33,209
we get there.
628
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:34,710
I think it's the right spot.
629
00:43:34,990 --> 00:43:37,830
You know, everything was really dark and
back alley -ish.
630
00:43:38,370 --> 00:43:40,330
And I see a guy.
631
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:48,730
He's talking to this really cute girl.
632
00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:52,230
And he keeps saying to the girl, what do
you think of my watch?
633
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:53,890
How do you like my watch?
634
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:56,630
And I recognize the voice, right?
635
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:58,470
And I'm like, Nick?
636
00:44:00,710 --> 00:44:02,490
I lost my hand!
637
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:06,150
Hey,
638
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:08,870
Birdie.
639
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:10,910
We got some dance in the dance.
640
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:12,150
Hey.
641
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:13,170
Nicholas Cain.
642
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:21,320
I admired how he's not interested in
anybody's opinion. He's not looking for
643
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,320
anyone's approval.
644
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:35,060
That's the symbolic springboard into the
next chapter of complete and total
645
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:36,060
chaos.
646
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:44,110
We bonded in a way that was about the
party, it was about the excitement, but
647
00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:45,930
was also about respect for each other.
648
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:53,090
But mostly the party, snorting cocaine
and tons of booze.
649
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:54,830
Poppers, ecstasy.
650
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:56,428
That's great.
651
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:58,050
Just the menu was filled with options.
652
00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:01,430
Our gang, we got the tattoos, we got the
jackets.
653
00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,410
We'd go at 100 miles an hour.
654
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:07,790
We were warped.
655
00:45:08,350 --> 00:45:13,490
And that's what kind of just... Charlie
Sheen, Hollywood's wildest bachelor.
656
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:16,950
His scandalous women. His party nights
out with the boys.
657
00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:22,330
The circus that Charlie bragged. Charlie
was a different kind of life at the
658
00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:28,010
party. We were like this runaway train.
659
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:33,610
It's like we were all... Something was
missing and...
660
00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:41,270
By this connection, suddenly it wasn't.
And that's a lot of responsibility
661
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:43,570
to everybody's American night.
662
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:50,830
We wound up on an airplane to San
Francisco.
663
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:55,550
Everybody was high as shit.
664
00:45:56,890 --> 00:45:58,210
Then it happened.
665
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,950
Nick got a hold of the intercom handset.
666
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:08,990
There was no warm -up. He launched
into... This is your captain speaking.
667
00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:14,170
I'm not feeling well.
668
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:19,050
I'm losing control of the aircraft.
669
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:29,530
And we heard this, and I knew we were
instantly in shit city. He had taken it
670
00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:30,890
a place, whatever his intentions were.
671
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:33,830
that just were wildly inappropriate.
672
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:38,210
And you can hear people screaming and
demanding information from the flight
673
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:39,970
crew. You can't. Good Lord.
674
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:46,590
No. And then when we landed, the pilot
came out and he said, quote, not cool,
675
00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:48,950
not cool, end quote.
676
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:54,550
So we were in big trouble, man. At which
point the door to the aircraft whooshed
677
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:58,250
open like a nuclear gateway to a bank
vault to reveal...
678
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,860
six fully armed police officers. Oh,
buddy.
679
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:08,280
And what Nick didn't know is that I had
over an ounce of cocaine taped to the
680
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,240
inside of my leg and standing there
sweating and really concerned about
681
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:14,240
going to happen next.
682
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:21,860
One of the guys was a big enough fan of
mine, big enough fan of Nick's, and he
683
00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:26,180
just decided to, you know, make sure
this doesn't happen again, young man.
684
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:27,180
we...
685
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,740
We got through, you know.
686
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:35,960
Yet another experience of the perks of
the job. I guess, yeah. I think anybody
687
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,560
else, that would have been fools.
688
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,900
Charlie always managed to walk a
tightrope. You wanted to like him
689
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:49,680
was really charming and smart and
terrific at what he does as an actor.
690
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,500
know, but also... you know, there were
incidents that you were like, wait, what
691
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:58,440
happened? Like, you know, when he shot
Kelly Preston, you know?
692
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Charlie Sheen and Kelly Preston seem to
be a nice couple. Each is a successful,
693
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,460
attractive actor. Each is upset now
about stories circulating since Kelly
694
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:14,080
suffered a gunshot wound earlier this
month. There's nothing better than
695
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,280
directly to the source, and that's
exactly what we did.
696
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,140
I'm pretty glad you're okay. Thank you.
Can you just go over it? Because we've
697
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:23,540
got so many accounts, we don't want the
wrong one. The truth is it was a
698
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:24,820
complete accident. It fell.
699
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,140
It went off. Then Kelly said at the
time, oh, no, that was an accident.
700
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,960
You know, so there's this part of you
that goes, okay, you know, there's
701
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,820
this tightrope of, you know.
702
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,360
I don't know the whole story.
703
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Is he the guy who he appears to me to
be?
704
00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:47,300
Or is there some much darker thing going
on?
705
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:02,700
I get invited to my dad's birthday
party.
706
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,940
I think mom called me.
707
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,520
Dad's got things to do.
708
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:07,910
So we got to do it early.
709
00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:11,350
He's like, we're thinking nine.
710
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:13,990
I'm like, a .m.
711
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:16,350
He's like, yeah. I'm like, okay.
712
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:18,210
Hey, what should I get him?
713
00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:20,970
He's like, he doesn't need anything. You
know your father. If you give him
714
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:21,970
something, he'll just give it away.
715
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:32,810
You can hear this car coming a mile
away, right? And so mom here has been
716
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:33,810
pulling the driveway.
717
00:49:36,419 --> 00:49:41,180
And she comes out, and she gives me a
hug, and she says, I have to ask you
718
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:42,680
something. I'm like, yeah, anything.
719
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:45,220
She says, are you armed?
720
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:49,180
And I thought she was joking, right?
721
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:53,700
And I said, no, no, why would I? No,
Mom, come on. I mean, maybe there's
722
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:54,920
something in the trunk, but no.
723
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,400
She says, okay, good, good. I just had
to find out, you know.
724
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,460
So she brings me in the house.
725
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:09,470
I mean, I'm looking for balloons. I'm
looking for a cake. I'm looking for
726
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:13,170
hats. I'm looking for something that
screams birthday party and there's
727
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,590
And as I get kind of coming around the
corner, I see the living room has this
728
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:21,770
like really expertly organized circle of
people.
729
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:25,150
And I think I'm recognizing all of them.
730
00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:27,070
But it's a weird mix.
731
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:32,930
Why would Dad have my 7th grade history
teacher, Mr. Vincent, at his birthday
732
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:36,910
party when no one's seen the guy for, I
don't know, 15 years, right?
733
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:41,610
There's Bikram Chowdhury, my yoga
instructor, and Rob Lowe is there. Okay,
734
00:50:41,710 --> 00:50:47,530
there's a familiar face, right? And then
Emilio and Rene, Ramon, my parents, and
735
00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:49,590
there's this fucking guy. I think his
name was Jim.
736
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:52,810
And there's one chair that's open.
737
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:56,410
And this guy named Jim...
738
00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:02,690
says uh welcome please be seated i was
never involved in any of those uh
739
00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:08,950
interventions and and you know i was not
uh you know walking a perfect trail of
740
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:15,830
my own in some regards and i haven't
said a fucking word because there's a
741
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:21,330
to process i kind of heard about these
things but never been this close to an
742
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:23,830
intervention and they go around the room
743
00:51:24,629 --> 00:51:27,010
And they've all got something written,
and it's very emotional.
744
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:33,050
I said, is this a situation where now
I'm given some time to think about this?
745
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:35,470
And they said, no.
746
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:39,610
No, this is a decision we've made for
you that has to happen today.
747
00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:46,330
What you have just seen is a good lesson
in what not to do in a situation of
748
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:47,710
this nature. You can tell me what they
did wrong.
749
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:49,690
Come on, come on, come on, you know.
750
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:52,470
Charlie had the audacity to be pissed
about that.
751
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:56,410
I don't know if he told you, he was mad
that all these people were there trying
752
00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:58,270
to tell him what to do with his life.
753
00:52:00,190 --> 00:52:06,890
You can tell someone
754
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:08,310
until they're blue in the face.
755
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:11,190
I don't care if it's your mom, your dad,
whoever.
756
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:15,850
Until you decide to make that decision,
that's not going to happen.
757
00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:17,390
And I was...
758
00:52:18,089 --> 00:52:22,150
Figuring, all right, if I just agree to
this, just to get out of this situation,
759
00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:25,850
I can probably hatch a plan somewhere
away from here.
760
00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:31,110
Dad goes in the office, and he sticks
his head back out the door, and he says,
761
00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:32,850
there's someone on the phone that wants
to talk to you.
762
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:34,750
I thought it'd be a family member.
763
00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:42,150
And I'm like, hello? And it's a very
recognizable, very globally familiar
764
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:43,950
And it's Clint.
765
00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:46,250
I ain't gonna lose this one.
766
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:50,900
You can either stand out of my way or
you can be my partner and you can back
767
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:51,900
up.
768
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,580
He said something to the effect of, you
know, you got to get the train back on
769
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:57,580
the tracks, kid.
770
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,640
You know, he said, you're worth saving.
771
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,180
Yeah, it was really powerful.
772
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,260
And I thanked him and gave the phone
back to dad and said, all right, let's
773
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,320
We were in a car on the way down to
rehab.
774
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:20,200
Dad driving, mom in the front, and a
couple people on either side of me.
775
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:22,760
I was in a people sandwich.
776
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,380
Because they knew at the first red light
I was probably going to be that guy.
777
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,420
The intervention was inconvenient
because later on that night or the next
778
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:39,200
morning, Nick Cage and the rest of our
gang were scheduled to be honorary
779
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,160
judges at a Hawaiian Tropic bikini
contest in Palm Springs.
780
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:48,070
So I'm in a bit of a pickle. I got the
whole crew on standby to make this move
781
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:50,310
down there, and I'm stuck in this
intervention.
782
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:56,750
I'm thinking, what does it really matter
if I get sober like that day or a day
783
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:57,750
from then?
784
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:02,810
There's a night nurse.
785
00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:07,530
It was this black gal in her 40s. I
mean, she was all business, you know.
786
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:11,670
I told her, I said, I'm not bound by law
to be here.
787
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:14,070
I got the thing with my buddies down in
the desert.
788
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:20,050
And I will come walking back into this
facility tomorrow morning at 8 a .m.
789
00:54:20,610 --> 00:54:23,910
Or I will give you a million dollars.
790
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:26,490
And she took it in.
791
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:27,910
She took it in.
792
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:30,610
And she just said, deal.
793
00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:36,730
Thinking she's probably looking at the
better end of the stick, right?
794
00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:38,870
I put a big spell on you.
795
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:44,230
And so there's a pay phone, and I'm able
to kind of get word to the guys.
796
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:48,010
I said, I just spoke to this gal. We got
this thing covered, and he's like,
797
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:48,888
cool, man.
798
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:52,690
And so, I mean, thanks, Nick. He could
have fucking said, oh, you know what,
799
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:57,030
Charles? We're probably going to pull
the plug on that, you know? And he
800
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:58,470
and I don't blame him.
801
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:16,340
Fantabulous and sexy and as exciting as
it could have been.
802
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:27,040
And I
803
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:33,440
get back to St. John's at about 7
804
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,080
.40. And he's been walking up. And it is
such...
805
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:45,280
She's kind of happy that, you know,
that, all right, this guy, he's
806
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,800
this thing and he showed back up.
807
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,240
So she was happy for me, but
disappointed for herself.
808
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,240
And she kind of was like, all right,
well, whatever. You're a man of your
809
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,440
Welcome back. We kept your room for you.
810
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,680
My agent, he visited me in rehab with
the hotshot script.
811
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,160
This fell out of the fucking sky, right
in my lap. I don't need your help. I
812
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,160
don't need anybody's help.
813
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,300
I'll be just fine.
814
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,660
And it was a bit of a game changer.
815
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:21,560
Are you okay?
816
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,500
I think it might have been for the first
time.
817
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,640
I noticed that there was a pattern to go
through all this shit, come out of the
818
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,920
fire, and there be an opportunity on the
immediate other side of it.
819
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:42,390
It really flattened the concept of
genuine
820
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:44,470
consequences.
821
00:56:49,810 --> 00:56:53,370
I was able to just turn it off.
822
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:59,970
And to this day, I don't know how, but I
did. I was at Nick's Castle, for lack
823
00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:02,810
of a different description, up in the
Hollywood Hills.
824
00:57:03,110 --> 00:57:06,310
The neighborhood was kind of sketchy,
but the place was fabulous.
825
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:10,530
And I asked Nick one night, I said, why
did you choose this place?
826
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:12,250
And he was like, Charles, look at the
view.
827
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:16,470
Look at the view and just think how much
closer I am to the crime.
828
00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:20,350
I was like, all right, that makes me
want to leave.
829
00:57:22,310 --> 00:57:26,090
So I had spent the night and I woke up.
He wasn't up yet. And I went down to his
830
00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:30,510
kitchen and I opened his refrigerator
and there was a Foster's lager just
831
00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:33,610
sitting there. I mean, lit perfectly,
slow pushing on it, you know.
832
00:57:35,259 --> 00:57:36,280
Reverse push in on me.
833
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,160
I'm like, yeah, it's dad's birthday.
It's my birthday too now. So let's
834
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
celebrate.
835
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:45,500
Cracked that fucker and downed it.
836
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Yeah, celebrated one year. Come on, man.
That was an accomplishment.
837
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:53,740
That beer was there for a reason, right?
838
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,180
So that opened the door a little bit.
839
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,960
I would pull waitresses aside and, you
know, give them a decent tip and say,
840
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:03,840
I'll just need a little wine and a
coffee mug, you know.
841
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,260
At the same time, I was trying to
project an image of responsibility.
842
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,900
Is your act pretty cleaned up now, do
you think? More or less, yeah. Is it?
843
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:19,580
Yeah, no, I spend a little more time at
home eating a Wolfgang Puck spicy
844
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:21,060
chicken than I do in a bar.
845
00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:23,500
I just didn't take the edge off a little
bit. Don't worry, it's not going to
846
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:27,640
lead back to all the freaking shit that
got me in this mess, you know?
847
00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:32,360
Yeah, it's funny how secret wine in a
coffee mug just...
848
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,420
turns into everything it wasn't supposed
to be.
849
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,760
There was a club that was really popular
called On the Rocks, and it was above
850
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:50,420
the Roxy. The place was a little
sketchy, but it was the spot.
851
00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:57,060
There was one night, there was a group
of girls there that I hadn't seen there
852
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:58,060
before.
853
00:58:58,730 --> 00:59:03,510
And lined up properly, they were each
hotter than the other and dressed nicely
854
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:05,170
and wearing all the right accessories.
855
00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:08,130
And they would always wind up back at
this one table.
856
00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:13,630
And at the head of the table was a gal
that seemed like she was kind of, for
857
00:59:13,630 --> 00:59:16,610
lack of a better description, like their
chaperone.
858
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:18,110
She was a little bit older.
859
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:22,790
She wasn't trying to prove anything or
impress anyone, you know.
860
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:26,730
And so I finally got to talking to one
of these girls.
861
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:32,770
I said, okay, so do you have any plans
after this? I mean, what's going on? She
862
00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:35,130
says, well, yeah, that's where it gets a
little tricky.
863
00:59:35,490 --> 00:59:39,450
I got to go talk to my friend and see
what that looks like for us, you know?
864
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:42,190
I'm thinking, all right, that's kind of
strange.
865
00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:44,050
Come here with your mom, whatever.
866
00:59:46,310 --> 00:59:47,310
Then it clicks.
867
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,150
Okay, these are call girl.
868
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:53,390
And that lady over there is their madam.
869
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:57,050
Actually, that stuff never bothered me.
870
00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:01,530
In fact, I lost my virginity to a pro
when I was 15 years old.
871
01:00:02,670 --> 01:00:05,290
I borrowed Dad's credit card to pay for
it.
872
01:00:05,530 --> 01:00:07,190
1980. I'm in Vegas.
873
01:00:10,290 --> 01:00:14,950
I'm pretty sure her name was Candy,
Candy, Candy, Candy, Candy, Candy.
874
01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:22,310
So, you know, I have to say, Candy, if
you're out there somewhere, thank you.
875
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:27,390
Unpack that moment, kind of where it
goes from there.
876
01:00:28,459 --> 01:00:33,900
Candy, you know, probably cost me
upwards of $100 million, conservatively.
877
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:35,300
ask you something, just one guy to
another?
878
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:40,860
You know, I've never hired a woman, but
I would just think it's like a blind
879
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:44,440
date, really, except that you know that
it's going to be successful.
880
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,500
Yeah, yeah, I think Cary Grant said it
best way back in the day. He said that
881
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:53,260
he's not paying for the sex, he's paying
for them to leave when he's done, you
882
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:54,260
know.
883
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:57,670
In the immortal words of Cary Grant.
884
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:05,750
Which brings us back to that fateful
night at On the Rocks.
885
01:01:09,010 --> 01:01:11,930
The same night I was introduced to the
infamous madam.
886
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:16,970
And I said, hey, I'm Charlie Sheen. Nice
to meet you.
887
01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:23,250
And she says, hi, my name's Heidi.
888
01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:26,110
You should learn how to say no.
889
01:01:26,410 --> 01:01:28,490
Go on, take everything.
890
01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:32,550
Take everything I want you to take.
891
01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:36,450
Hey.
892
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:38,810
Come here.
893
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:45,810
Hey. Hey, come here, babies. Come here.
Hey, what's your problem? Come here.
894
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:47,590
Come here.
895
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:52,390
I'm born and raised in L .A.
896
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:57,440
everything was a perfect storm to make
me the perfect madam.
897
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,240
I was young, I was arrogant, I was the
best, so that's how it is.
898
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,080
I'm not going to start naming all the
actors I dealt with, but everyone you
899
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,040
think is doing it is doing it. And big
deal, what guy doesn't want to get laid?
900
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,640
And they're paying for adults doing
adult things, not Jeffrey Epstein, like,
901
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,980
pedophile thing.
902
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,060
I wasn't Ghislaine Maxwell driving
around junior high schools.
903
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:20,300
There's none of that.
904
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:25,660
And the women came to me and drove when
they were like $10 cum buckets. I've got
905
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:26,780
them $100 ,000 a night.
906
01:02:27,220 --> 01:02:28,960
I have no talent, no skill.
907
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,260
Everything with me has to be created by
imagination or luck or persistence and
908
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:35,260
determination.
909
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,420
She was really cool. She was really
smart. She was pretty business savvy.
910
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,820
I don't know. She had a decent sense of
humor. She was never sloppy.
911
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:45,490
You know?
912
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:47,590
Charlie is a crybaby pussy bitch.
913
01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:50,910
I've been on the cover of Time with the
Manson girls.
914
01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:53,070
I'm in the criminal category.
915
01:02:53,470 --> 01:02:56,290
People remember the criminals. That's
what they know.
916
01:02:56,650 --> 01:02:58,790
Look, at 27 years old, I was arrested.
917
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:03,730
I knew I would get arrested one day for
running an illegal consensual sex
918
01:03:03,730 --> 01:03:04,730
empire.
919
01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:08,730
But I didn't think it would ever happen
the way it happened.
920
01:03:10,029 --> 01:03:13,390
With Heidi, I always just used cash.
Everything was fine.
921
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:16,570
For a while, nobody got hurt, nobody got
arrested.
922
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:18,750
For a while.
923
01:03:20,290 --> 01:03:24,830
And then I was too hammered to go to the
bank. I'm pretty sure I was using...
924
01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:26,410
American Express traveler's checks.
925
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:28,030
Don't leave home without them.
926
01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:32,110
And I said to her, hey, we probably
shouldn't do this, but is it cool if I
927
01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:33,330
write a check?
928
01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:36,170
She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no
problem. No problem whatsoever.
929
01:03:39,210 --> 01:03:40,210
Big problem.
930
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:41,750
Oh, so ever.
931
01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:45,830
In the new Vanity Fair magazine, Fleiss
breaks her silence about customers for
932
01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:47,490
her high -priced call girl operation.
933
01:03:47,830 --> 01:03:52,390
She claims actor Charlie Sheen wanted
prostitutes dressed as cheerleaders. Let
934
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:54,370
me explain the Charlie, the connection.
935
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:58,350
His name would have never, ever come
out, ever.
936
01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:03,230
For the simple fact, a long time ago,
there were things called traveler's
937
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:04,218
checks.
938
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:09,380
And I guess Charlie was away making Hot
Shots Part 3 or something. I don't know.
939
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:14,240
And he probably had traveler's checks on
location that was considered like
940
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,540
money. So when he returned, he called
me, I don't know, for some girls and
941
01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:19,580
with traveler's checks.
942
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:25,380
They were in my Gucci planner along with
other traveler's checks from Saudi
943
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:26,920
royal families and stuff like that.
944
01:04:27,230 --> 01:04:30,890
But the kind of people, the cops don't
know who they are, but they know Charlie
945
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:35,410
Sheen. So that's the only reason his
name came out. Otherwise, it never would
946
01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:37,070
have come out. I wouldn't have said
anything.
947
01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:38,830
I've never said anything about anyone.
948
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:42,610
All these Hollywood actors are so scared
about being named in this thing. But do
949
01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:46,010
you realize since they cracked down on
her, some of the best acting in town is
950
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:47,470
going on right now. People are going,
Heidi who?
951
01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:53,250
No. Heidi has indeed become famous,
attracting the attention of the news
952
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:55,330
from all over the world. Let us through.
953
01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:59,770
It was an intense struggle for Heidi to
get into the Division 34.
954
01:05:00,170 --> 01:05:02,810
Everyone wanted to capture a shot of
Heidi.
955
01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:09,550
The day after I was arrested, I was
sitting out by my pool, looking over the
956
01:05:09,550 --> 01:05:10,550
whole city.
957
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:12,570
I lived in real Beverly Hills.
958
01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:15,530
I bought my house from the actor Michael
Douglas.
959
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:23,140
And I'm sitting there looking at it just
build out going, how did I fuck up the
960
01:05:23,140 --> 01:05:24,740
best job on earth?
961
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,080
They had the checks.
962
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,880
Yeah, that's the part that sunk me.
That's the part that I couldn't talk my
963
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,140
out of. I had meetings with the U .S.
attorney and they said, look, we will
964
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:37,980
grant you immunity, but you have to roll
on her.
965
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:43,860
So, you know, I don't want to be a rat,
but there was really no other way out of
966
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:44,769
it.
967
01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:48,290
Robert Mitchum, he was arrested for
marijuana. They said, tell us your
968
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:49,870
He said, charge me with a crime.
969
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:54,250
Charlie should have said, charge me with
a crime. He's a crybaby rich boy.
970
01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:57,910
He's a rich kid from Malibu. They're not
going to do shit to him. He's Charlie
971
01:05:57,910 --> 01:06:00,450
Sheen. He was at his peak then.
972
01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:03,670
They're not going to do anything to him.
Are you kidding me?
973
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:05,370
They threatened me.
974
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:12,330
They said, look, just so you know, it's
a misdemeanor to hire a gal, but if
975
01:06:12,330 --> 01:06:17,300
you... get a couple gals and give one to
your buddy, that's pandering.
976
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,320
And that's three to five.
977
01:06:19,780 --> 01:06:23,960
And I said, well, no, I would never pay
for a gal for my pal, you know?
978
01:06:24,220 --> 01:06:25,960
And they said, we have proof that you
did.
979
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,480
Because that was the deal. That was the
thing that was like, yeah, of course,
980
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,560
two,
981
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:35,820
three girls show up and you're with your
buddies and it's like, you know, you
982
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:36,820
get to be a hero, right?
983
01:06:37,140 --> 01:06:40,520
And so I didn't know doing that was...
984
01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:44,570
It's such a potential severe violation
of whatever that law is, you know.
985
01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:46,630
So, yeah, I was in the suit, man.
986
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:51,710
It was a really difficult time. Look,
when you're facing that kind of, like,
987
01:06:51,730 --> 01:06:54,790
seven and a half years in jail, might as
well be a death sentence, because at
988
01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:58,610
that young age, you know, it just seems
like eternity.
989
01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:03,830
He testified he spent more than $50 ,000
in three years soliciting prostitutes
990
01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:04,569
from flights.
991
01:07:04,570 --> 01:07:07,070
Was he a good client, Charlie Sheen?
992
01:07:07,610 --> 01:07:11,850
When I said, I'm really trying to put
this lady away for basically running a
993
01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:15,850
successful business that's one of the
oldest professions on earth. And they
994
01:07:15,850 --> 01:07:17,050
said, no, it's not really about that.
995
01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:18,790
It's about tax evasion.
996
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:26,690
So I sat with that, and I felt like that
really,
997
01:07:28,790 --> 01:07:30,470
that's kind of on her at that point.
998
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:33,350
He testified against me, and I went to
jail.
999
01:07:33,590 --> 01:07:36,530
We need the jury to find the defendant,
Heidi Lindsley.
1000
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:42,240
Guilty. Heidi Fleiss was sentenced to 37
months in jail and a $400 fine for
1001
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,860
cheating on taxes and laundering profits
for her call girl service.
1002
01:07:46,180 --> 01:07:51,940
Before I went to prison, I moved to the
beach and opened up like a lingerie
1003
01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:55,820
store like you see, opened up Third
Street Promenade and Old Town Pasadena.
1004
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,220
And that was just to switch everything.
1005
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:04,200
And then so one evening, Charlie's dad,
Martin Sheen, came in the store.
1006
01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:08,110
And he's telling me to go easy on
Charlie.
1007
01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:15,170
And I'm thinking, go easy on Charlie?
I'm the one going to jail. The best deal
1008
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:16,729
was offered was seven and a half years.
1009
01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:22,390
And he's telling me to go easy on
Charlie? But that's just a father's love
1010
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:24,830
his son. And it's totally
understandable.
1011
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,689
We're not taught as children how to deal
with success.
1012
01:08:29,350 --> 01:08:32,569
They always say if at first you don't
succeed, try, try again. That's dealing
1013
01:08:32,569 --> 01:08:33,609
with failure, you know.
1014
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,060
Nobody ever said if at first you
succeed, what do you do?
1015
01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:39,819
You know?
1016
01:08:39,979 --> 01:08:41,520
What do you do?
1017
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,120
I don't know. Run and hide.
1018
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:46,420
The work.
1019
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:50,939
The money. You're back in circulation,
aren't you, Ali? Oh, yeah. My
1020
01:08:50,939 --> 01:08:51,939
circulation's fine.
1021
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:53,520
It kept happening.
1022
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,760
Gene reportedly took home between $3 and
$5 million.
1023
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,279
There were no real consequences.
1024
01:09:02,859 --> 01:09:06,680
We proudly welcome to the Hollywood Walk
of Fame still, Charlie Sheen.
1025
01:09:06,939 --> 01:09:07,939
Hey!
1026
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,740
Whoo! Damn, you got a lot of pool in
this town.
1027
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:14,380
Charlie Sheen, man.
1028
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,939
He's always been loyal to me from the
start.
1029
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,600
Charlie was executive producer in the
movie, and the studio wanted to give
1030
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,899
Charlie first billing. And he was like,
no, no, Chris should have first billing.
1031
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,520
I'm having second billing. He's just...
1032
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,300
Huge star, you know, not being selfish.
1033
01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:36,040
Who does that in Hollywood?
1034
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:44,200
The movie started great, and we were
cooking with gas.
1035
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,380
Then it got away from me, like it
usually does.
1036
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,740
I remember one day he didn't show up to
work, but I was late too, so I was like,
1037
01:09:53,740 --> 01:09:56,120
I'm glad he didn't show up so they stay
off of me.
1038
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,260
It was one of those things, but when he
showed up, we were ready to work.
1039
01:09:59,850 --> 01:10:04,850
One day, I got an 18 -hour nosebleed
from doing too much cocaine. And that's
1040
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:09,230
usually kind of the threshold where you
go and get it checked out, and I didn't.
1041
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:13,190
I just kept kind of blotting it. There
was one night where it actually dripped
1042
01:10:13,190 --> 01:10:17,970
onto my shirt during a scene, and I got
the director, Brett Ratner, to agree to
1043
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:20,770
make that shot go away forever.
1044
01:10:21,310 --> 01:10:23,310
And he did, because we'd never seen it,
right?
1045
01:10:24,130 --> 01:10:28,010
And that's when it starts to get that
the priorities are...
1046
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,980
I couldn't be more wonky, you know.
1047
01:10:31,860 --> 01:10:37,260
Hey, Larry, Larry, come here. I was
taking jobs to just fuel the habits.
1048
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:39,840
I don't know about you, but I got a bad
feeling about this.
1049
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,740
I was in Montreal, and I was shooting
this movie called Free Money.
1050
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,140
I found a dope connection as soon as I
got to Montreal.
1051
01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:54,580
Remind the audience that you refer to
dope as something different. It's
1052
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,740
yeah. So I...
1053
01:10:57,260 --> 01:11:03,080
I'd overshot the mark, and it got to the
point where I literally could not keep
1054
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,620
my eyes open.
1055
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:10,400
I felt they were so burned and so heavy.
The director kind of spotted it. He
1056
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,300
says, you look like you're falling
asleep on camera, which had never
1057
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:18,480
before. I said to him, I said, I need a
glass of ice.
1058
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,380
He was like, okay. He said, give me a
glass of ice. And I said, I'll be right
1059
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:24,780
back. There was a little bathroom.
1060
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:31,170
And I went in there, and I took an ice
cube, and I shoved it up my butt.
1061
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:34,070
Never done that before.
1062
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:36,030
And, man, I was wide awake.
1063
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:41,770
Just enough to get back on the mark and
finish the fucking scene with an ice
1064
01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:42,770
cube in my ass.
1065
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:47,370
Making the big money running in a couple
of weeks, right, Louie? Yes, sir, with
1066
01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:48,209
due assistance.
1067
01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:49,210
You're shitting me.
1068
01:11:49,550 --> 01:11:51,130
You mean between the Midwest, uh...
1069
01:11:58,549 --> 01:12:05,050
My theory has always been that I don't
know that he believes that he deserves
1070
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:06,170
what he's got.
1071
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:14,050
I think there's a part of him that
throws it all away just to see if he
1072
01:12:14,050 --> 01:12:15,050
deserved it.
1073
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:19,410
That is what drives people crazy who are
close to him, is that there's so many
1074
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:24,410
great things about him. If he only
believed it, he might stop burning it
1075
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:25,410
down.
1076
01:12:30,090 --> 01:12:31,770
I'm going to tell you something very
candid.
1077
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:37,810
And this is one example, and it's
biological.
1078
01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:54,290
Most people, men, who do cocaine,
1079
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:58,990
copious amounts of cocaine,
1080
01:12:59,210 --> 01:13:04,650
have extremely enhanced
1081
01:13:04,650 --> 01:13:11,290
sexual fantasies, but extremely
1082
01:13:11,290 --> 01:13:15,410
derailed sexual competency at that time.
1083
01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:26,450
Thank God for anybody that describes
that their dick don't
1084
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:27,930
work when full of cocaine.
1085
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:32,850
What the fuck would it be like if it was
the opposite?
1086
01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:35,150
Ask Charlie Sheen.
1087
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:44,810
There's a young gal that C. Thomas, Hal,
and myself were kind of seeing at the
1088
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:48,250
same time, and she was really sweet and
sexy and adorable.
1089
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,440
And then she reached out to me one
night. I was still in my condo in
1090
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:58,040
she said, hey, I'm in a spot that I need
to be extracted from at once.
1091
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,720
So I went over there, and it was this
kind of semi -rundown apartment just
1092
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,420
the canyon, Woodland Hills maybe.
1093
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:09,340
And I pull up, and it's about 10 o
'clock at night.
1094
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,980
She's in there, and she's in there with
this guy, and the vibe of the place was
1095
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:16,980
not pleasant at all.
1096
01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:21,850
It was eerie, and it felt really unsafe
for me.
1097
01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:26,510
I can imagine what she was going through
to make this secret call, and he was
1098
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:27,530
like, who the fuck are you?
1099
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:31,930
I'm like, hey, man, hey, I don't mean to
barge in, but I'm a friend of Sandy's,
1100
01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:35,730
and she said that she needed to get out
of here, so I'm here to facilitate that,
1101
01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:41,950
you know? He says, well, hold on a
minute, and he fucking grabs her and
1102
01:14:41,950 --> 01:14:44,210
against the wall, and the dude was
pretty big.
1103
01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:48,730
And he's yelling at her about a bunch of
shit, you know, and something about
1104
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:49,850
money she owes him.
1105
01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:54,590
Now I'm like, oh, this is moments from
getting away from everybody.
1106
01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:59,150
So he's not looking at me, and my car
is, like, really close. So I go back to
1107
01:14:59,150 --> 01:15:05,730
the car, and I got an 8K P7 M13 9 mil in
my glove box. I put that in my
1108
01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:08,570
waistband. I come back in the house, and
I said, all right, whatever's going on,
1109
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:11,330
let's just call it quits. He's coming
with me now.
1110
01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:19,420
So we get back to the condo.
1111
01:15:20,900 --> 01:15:23,540
She falls asleep on the couch. I let her
rest for a couple hours.
1112
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,960
The next morning, you know, I'm giving
her some juice and, you know, a snack or
1113
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,100
whatever, trying to be hospitable. You
know, I really like this girl.
1114
01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:39,300
She says, if you don't mind, I'm
starting to jones a little bit, and I
1115
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:42,480
need to just get back up on my shit, you
know.
1116
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:46,420
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure,
whatever.
1117
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,180
She pulls out her pipe and loads it up
and takes a big hit.
1118
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,180
Plays back on the couch like she's
inside the best moment of all time.
1119
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,740
I'm a little curious.
1120
01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:07,000
I'm a little bit curious. You know, I've
done a lot of cocaine up to that point,
1121
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,580
just not in that form.
1122
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,340
She says, you know, I don't want to talk
you into anything, but if you're
1123
01:16:15,340 --> 01:16:18,100
curious. I think you might really enjoy
this.
1124
01:16:18,860 --> 01:16:20,700
I said, I don't know, man.
1125
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,140
It's like, you know, I'm trying to, I
got a lot of shit coming up.
1126
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,440
At that point, she's feeling the sexual
charge from her hit. So she's starting
1127
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,520
to undress and she's, you know, almost
completely naked at this point.
1128
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:40,380
So she says, well, let me combo this up
for you. Let me do something for you
1129
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:42,000
while you're doing this.
1130
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:43,659
How do I?
1131
01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:46,120
Present this with any class.
1132
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,820
We're past that. We're past that, yeah.
She decides that giving me a blowjob
1133
01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:55,140
while I'm taking my first hit of crack
is going to be an experience.
1134
01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:10,960
And so it was indescribable.
1135
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:15,950
It took me to a place in my brain and in
my body and what she was doing. And it
1136
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:22,950
all made sense on a level that I was
really excited to finally embrace.
1137
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:30,190
But in that same breath, in that same
experience, I'm deathly afraid of
1138
01:17:30,190 --> 01:17:35,190
how far this could get away from me. And
I was aware of that.
1139
01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:38,970
In the moment. In the moment, yeah. The
duality of those.
1140
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,040
two conflicting forces.
1141
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:48,220
And I was banging seven -gram rocks and
finishing them. It was something that,
1142
01:17:48,220 --> 01:17:54,880
to this day, just were peerless, you
know?
1143
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,280
I mean, I got kind of a little shaky
telling that.
1144
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:05,880
Not like I'm a fucking sissy and I get
shaken up by my own story, but I could
1145
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,680
feel some of that shit coming back up.
1146
01:18:12,460 --> 01:18:13,880
Sadly, she died.
1147
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:20,020
She died. Yeah, she OD'd on that shit.
She OD'd? Yeah. I think, like, shortly
1148
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:23,280
before, right after her 30th birthday,
you know, it was just such a loss.
1149
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,640
Such a waste.
1150
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,680
Just crack the thing that you just wish
had never entered your life.
1151
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,600
Yeah, if I could just kind of carve that
one out or just
1152
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:49,600
erase it, just take it completely out of
the equation.
1153
01:18:51,980 --> 01:18:57,380
Yeah, I think I probably would have
avoided some
1154
01:18:57,380 --> 01:19:02,180
pretty awful situations, you know.
1155
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:08,980
The party was over.
1156
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,640
I just didn't know it yet.
1157
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,800
I'd tried everything.
1158
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,780
Why not try shooting up cocaine?
1159
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:26,480
It felt cinematic. It felt dangerous. It
felt, you know, like it had to be such
1160
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,480
a secret.
1161
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,200
I drew it up just like, you know,
Tarantino taught so many of us.
1162
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,640
I had a Japanese tattoo that was the
colors of war, black and red.
1163
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:50,540
And wow, things changed so, so quickly.
1164
01:19:58,780 --> 01:20:04,140
It's as though I was suddenly falling
forward and I could hear all the blood
1165
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:07,980
my body rushing as though I had both
ears.
1166
01:20:08,650 --> 01:20:11,610
covered with seashells at the beach.
1167
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:18,830
My legs are shaking so badly that I'm
taking these two inch, like, I don't
1168
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:20,930
fucking Joe Biden steps, right?
1169
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:25,050
My bodyguard zip was still on the
premises.
1170
01:20:25,790 --> 01:20:29,610
And I said, you got to call 911 because
this is beyond both of us.
1171
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,280
He was admitted to Los Robles Regional
Medical Center at 5 .30 in the morning,
1172
01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:40,900
accompanied by his father.
1173
01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:44,900
Rumors ran rampant that the younger
Sheen had a stroke and died.
1174
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,880
One reason why his father wanted to set
the record straight.
1175
01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:51,320
And the very first thing I want to
assure you of is that my son, Charlie
1176
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,320
is very much alive.
1177
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:59,120
I was kind of in and out, sedated, you
know, and so he was doing all that
1178
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,680
without my knowledge. My son was
admitted here yesterday.
1179
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,480
As a result of a drug overdose.
1180
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:06,620
I just felt like it dumped a bunch of
gas on the fire.
1181
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,540
We are in the stages right now of
recovery.
1182
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,080
I had a huge resentment about them. And
I said, just give me a little bit of
1183
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,900
space and mind your own fucking
business.
1184
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:18,460
I can get a handle on this.
1185
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,440
We're going to have it out, you and me.
1186
01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:22,460
Right now, son.
1187
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,600
And dad is so freaking frustrated,
thinking he and I were coming to
1188
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,440
right? So he took out his teeth because
he didn't want to damage them.
1189
01:21:30,970 --> 01:21:32,870
Somebody there had, hey, Martin, Martin,
hold on, hold on.
1190
01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:34,570
Violence is not the answer.
1191
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:37,490
Everybody was super frustrated.
1192
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:41,470
The time expired that they could hold me
legally.
1193
01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:46,670
I said to Zip, get me to the condo.
Yeah, I wanted to stay high.
1194
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:54,530
It is my hope that he will accept
recovery and become free.
1195
01:21:56,940 --> 01:22:00,660
Do anything you can to get between drugs
and your kids.
1196
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,620
Not an easy moment in our lives, but it
is a very important one, a very
1197
01:22:05,620 --> 01:22:06,620
necessary one.
1198
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,940
After Charlie Sheen skipped the drug
rehab center, Sheen left with his
1199
01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:14,500
over the weekend to go partying.
1200
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,960
You know, the addiction has gotten to a
point where I'm scared at this point.
1201
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:23,580
I'm asking all of his friends and fans
to pray for him.
1202
01:22:25,610 --> 01:22:29,650
We're up three, four days, and I didn't
want the party to end.
1203
01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:32,130
And the phone rings.
1204
01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:34,050
There's a warrant for your arrest.
1205
01:22:34,630 --> 01:22:36,430
The marshals are en route.
1206
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:40,870
Sheen's father, actor Martin Sheen,
asked California police to make the
1207
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:43,510
to help his son overcome his drug
problem.
1208
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:50,990
I didn't have a plan. I didn't know how
long I could push this thing.
1209
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:54,630
I think maybe then it was perhaps
considering Mexico.
1210
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,200
But meanwhile, Dad's running around
doing all he can.
1211
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:03,140
I want to get out of the way of this
thing so that a
1212
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:06,960
healing can occur.
1213
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:08,700
Three words.
1214
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,920
I love you.
1215
01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:11,820
That was his parenting style.
1216
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,380
Fear is useless.
1217
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:15,460
Faith is necessary.
1218
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:17,780
Love is everything.
1219
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,540
We wound up just a little pit stop at
Flash's house.
1220
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:28,540
He said, dude, I don't know that I've
seen anyone before in this kind of
1221
01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:30,700
This is Flash, right?
1222
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:33,900
GNR rock god.
1223
01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:37,360
The life he's led. And he said, no,
dude, you're out of options.
1224
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,920
You've got to get the rehab. You've got
to save yourself, man.
1225
01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:42,460
And coming from him, the way he
presented it was like, whoa.
1226
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:45,440
Message delivered.
1227
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,700
Dad, I'm going to jail. You know it.
1228
01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:49,720
It's the best thing that could have
happened to you.
1229
01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:55,950
And under the current circumstances, why
do I perceive to be his ingestion of
1230
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:56,950
controlled substances?
1231
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:59,250
He needs to be in a rehabilitation
program.
1232
01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:04,410
Hearing about certain things on the
news, it was out there.
1233
01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:07,690
You know, I caught up with his life at
that point.
1234
01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:12,850
I was definitely concerned. I would try
to talk to people around him, see how he
1235
01:24:12,850 --> 01:24:13,850
was doing, where he was at.
1236
01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:20,230
But I wanted him to get better and to be
safe. And thank God for his family.
1237
01:24:20,830 --> 01:24:23,230
his father, and just stuck with him.
1238
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:30,610
They take me from the courthouse, they
deliver me to rehab, and they sedate me
1239
01:24:30,610 --> 01:24:34,490
heavily. The equivalent of, you know,
let's put the elephant to sleep for a
1240
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:39,630
-sized dose, you know? But man, there
was a guy watching me sleep, and how he
1241
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:42,910
tells the story, it was like Michael
Myers in the background.
1242
01:24:45,070 --> 01:24:48,050
Just waking right up and kind of taking
in my surroundings.
1243
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,460
I said, I need some air. I've got to
take a walk.
1244
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:02,620
And I managed to get a hold of my trusty
limo driver, Dylan.
1245
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,860
I'm like, my chariot has arrived.
1246
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:11,260
Behind us, it's just cherry top.
1247
01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:19,280
It's hard to have that much power out in
the world, and then...
1248
01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:21,050
have it taken away in a flash.
1249
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:23,330
They got me medicated pretty severely.
1250
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:26,330
They wean you off the meds that they put
you on.
1251
01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:32,410
I'm on like day 11, and it's the first
day I'm off everything, and I start to
1252
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:33,289
fucking panic.
1253
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:38,710
Those were the most difficult moments to
navigate, kind of having to accept that
1254
01:25:38,710 --> 01:25:40,050
the party was over.
1255
01:25:42,370 --> 01:25:47,450
So I get a hold of my bodyguard, Zip,
and Zip goes through my condo and...
1256
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:49,740
Breaks everything out of it.
1257
01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:51,980
Sticks it in a bag.
1258
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:59,320
In one of the quietest nights I've ever
existed in, this bag comes like
1259
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,840
hittering through the night air so
fucking loud you couldn't believe it.
1260
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:06,520
And this thing hits the mud.
1261
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:11,100
The sober gods were like, all right,
man, you're going to get a little bit of
1262
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,160
shit on you for this one.
1263
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,400
I have one hit, and it's not great.
1264
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:18,840
Nothing at that point is great, and I
remember just kind of sitting in the
1265
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,820
just staring at the freaking ceiling,
this beige concrete ceiling.
1266
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,820
There was no high left.
1267
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:43,740
Yeah, I get a knock on my door, and I
knew that was coming, and I had this
1268
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:46,350
Tracy fedora that I'd been... wearing
around town.
1269
01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:48,750
And they were like, where's the dope?
1270
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:51,570
So I basically take my hat off and give
them the dope.
1271
01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:56,010
And I said to him, I have but one
request.
1272
01:26:56,690 --> 01:26:59,070
There was a crucial game six, jazz
balls.
1273
01:26:59,630 --> 01:27:05,790
And I said, all I really want to do is
be able to sit down and watch that
1274
01:27:05,790 --> 01:27:06,789
freaking game.
1275
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:07,990
Y 'all ready for Air Jordan?
1276
01:27:09,550 --> 01:27:10,509
Air who?
1277
01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:13,250
And he said, okay, all right, that's
actually a good sign.
1278
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:14,510
I'm encouraged.
1279
01:27:14,890 --> 01:27:18,630
that you're still seeking an interest in
something that grounded.
1280
01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:26,730
And I did. I watched that game.
1281
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:35,170
And he hit the shot.
1282
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:40,530
He saved the course and I didn't.
1283
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:51,240
I knew after that, that game was going
to be my new sobriety date.
1284
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:53,840
Things were going to be fucking
different.
1285
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,080
Yeah, a lot different.
1286
01:28:03,980 --> 01:28:10,160
I had no idea how badly this could blow
up. I'm doing all right. Every time the
1287
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,800
bell rings, you got to take a shot.
1288
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,200
Why?
1289
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:15,320
Because the bell rings.
1290
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,600
You know, untreated crazy over time
doesn't get better. It gets fucking
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