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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,758 --> 00:00:10,593 - What is wrong with this photo? - Imagine. 2 00:00:10,677 --> 00:00:13,304 When I was about to start working with Roland, 3 00:00:13,388 --> 00:00:16,349 the other Spice Girls told me they wanted to go on tour. 4 00:00:20,311 --> 00:00:23,773 David was like, "It's really good for the kids to see you do this." 5 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:24,983 I'm like... 6 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:29,571 Our kids weren't around to see their mum be a Spice Girl. 7 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:31,239 He mum-guilted me. 8 00:00:36,745 --> 00:00:38,955 Love you, darling. I'll walk you down there. 9 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,041 Oh, I've got such a stiff neck. 10 00:00:43,501 --> 00:00:45,045 Have I got enough makeup on? 11 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:46,379 More than enough. 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,841 Good luck. 13 00:00:51,926 --> 00:00:58,391 No, no, no, no 14 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:04,689 No, no, no, no... 15 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:09,861 I hadn't been Posh Spice for such a long time. 16 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:13,448 You know it's time to say goodbye 17 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:16,534 Goodbye, my friend 18 00:01:16,618 --> 00:01:20,997 I know you're gone, you said you're gone But I can still feel you here 19 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:23,583 It's not the end 20 00:01:23,666 --> 00:01:27,504 You gotta keep it strong Before the pain turns into fear 21 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:30,173 So glad we made it 22 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:31,883 Time will never... 23 00:01:31,966 --> 00:01:33,551 It was good to be back with them. 24 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:37,597 - No, no, no - No, no, no, no... 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,100 One of the girls actually said to me, 26 00:01:40,183 --> 00:01:42,852 and it did upset me, not too long ago, actually... 27 00:01:42,936 --> 00:01:45,105 It was Melanie B who said to me, 28 00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:47,273 "Don't forget where you've come from." 29 00:01:48,691 --> 00:01:51,277 I have never forgotten where I come from. 30 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:54,989 I've never, ever forgotten 31 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:59,536 that Posh Spice is the reason that I'm sitting here now. 32 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:02,497 She might have been grumpy, but she was actually great. 33 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:06,084 Time will never, never ever change it... 34 00:02:06,668 --> 00:02:09,629 It was good to celebrate the Spice Girls, 35 00:02:09,712 --> 00:02:15,552 but it was during that tour that I realized I didn't belong onstage. 36 00:02:16,052 --> 00:02:17,887 It had been fun, 37 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:21,099 but it wasn't what I loved anymore. 38 00:02:21,182 --> 00:02:22,350 - Hello. - Hello. 39 00:02:22,433 --> 00:02:25,770 The Spice Girls were the ones that always said to me, 40 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,230 "Don't hold back." 41 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:30,608 I loved fashion, 42 00:02:31,109 --> 00:02:34,112 and I wanted to be in the fashion industry. 43 00:02:34,612 --> 00:02:37,448 It was time to do something completely different. 44 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:46,332 - Wave! - Victoria! 45 00:02:49,085 --> 00:02:51,754 In popular culture, Victoria was a WAG. 46 00:02:51,838 --> 00:02:53,214 She was Posh. 47 00:02:53,715 --> 00:02:56,593 The fashion industry didn't like her. 48 00:02:56,676 --> 00:02:59,679 The industry can be a little snobbish. 49 00:02:59,762 --> 00:03:01,764 We wanted to cross that line. 50 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:04,309 You want to be taken seriously. 51 00:03:04,809 --> 00:03:08,438 I knew that to start this new chapter of my life, 52 00:03:08,521 --> 00:03:10,106 I had to change. 53 00:03:11,524 --> 00:03:14,527 Strip the other personas away. 54 00:03:16,279 --> 00:03:18,948 You know, I buried those boobs in Baden-Baden. 55 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:24,412 I became a simpler, more elegant version of myself. 56 00:03:24,495 --> 00:03:26,331 And I went to work. 57 00:03:31,753 --> 00:03:33,213 From the top, where she is, 58 00:03:33,296 --> 00:03:35,924 I had to bring her back to the bottom to learn. 59 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:38,885 He really challenged me. 60 00:03:39,469 --> 00:03:43,097 If you want to be a designer, you have to know who you are. 61 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:45,516 Who was the customer of Victoria? 62 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,937 It's women who wanted to be like her. 63 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:50,688 She was the product. 64 00:03:51,189 --> 00:03:54,192 Ultimately, it really was about what I couldn't find. 65 00:03:54,275 --> 00:03:56,277 I wanted the perfect dress, 66 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:58,696 and I couldn't find what I was looking for. 67 00:03:59,197 --> 00:04:00,698 I don't sketch, 68 00:04:00,782 --> 00:04:04,661 but I did start by draping on myself, you know? 69 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:07,080 We didn't have the budgets to have fit models, 70 00:04:07,163 --> 00:04:10,416 so I used my own body. 71 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:15,088 I remember standing there in the mirror, in my underwear, 72 00:04:15,171 --> 00:04:17,757 with Roland, and just bits of fabric. 73 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:22,053 A dress is that little movement that you have to do with the skirt. 74 00:04:22,136 --> 00:04:24,722 He just kept saying, "Perfect the dress." 75 00:04:24,806 --> 00:04:28,851 He made me question everything, every decision that I made. 76 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:30,520 I used to cry a lot. 77 00:04:30,603 --> 00:04:34,941 If you're not tough with Victoria, Victoria Beckham will walk over me. 78 00:04:36,025 --> 00:04:38,403 Nobody know your voice. 79 00:04:38,903 --> 00:04:40,363 How do you make it yours? 80 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:44,909 He gave me the tools that I needed to create. 81 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:48,997 I was doing what I finally wanted to do. 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,124 We didn't know if she was going to succeed, 83 00:04:51,207 --> 00:04:53,459 but she was ready for this challenge. 84 00:04:53,543 --> 00:04:56,963 I didn't need to say "Hey, look at me" anymore. 85 00:04:57,463 --> 00:05:01,175 This creative outlet, that can do the talking. 86 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:11,978 Hi, how's it going? 87 00:05:13,229 --> 00:05:16,524 Now, you be careful because it's very slippery. 88 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:18,443 Hi, how are you? 89 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:20,528 I mean... 90 00:05:20,611 --> 00:05:22,989 Oh, careful. I'm worried you're gonna fall. 91 00:05:23,072 --> 00:05:29,871 So this is the kind of glamorous entrance and exit that we regularly make. 92 00:05:30,538 --> 00:05:32,290 And the reason for this 93 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:36,586 is because there's a lot of paparazzi outside. 94 00:05:37,378 --> 00:05:38,421 Thank you. 95 00:05:49,098 --> 00:05:51,601 I was going to sleep really thinking, 96 00:05:51,684 --> 00:05:55,188 "Shoe, dress, girl," um... 97 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:57,357 So I don't know. 98 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,903 We're trying to fit this car through a very, very small gap right now. 99 00:06:02,987 --> 00:06:04,781 I mean, this is how... 100 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:07,784 I really don't mind... Is this so that we don't get wet? 101 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,245 This is the kind of service that you get in Paris. 102 00:06:11,746 --> 00:06:13,748 They wanna protect your blow-dry. 103 00:06:19,003 --> 00:06:20,338 Here we are. 104 00:06:21,964 --> 00:06:23,508 - Hey, how are you? - Good. How are you? 105 00:06:23,591 --> 00:06:25,968 Good. How is everybody? 106 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,012 Are you good? 107 00:06:28,096 --> 00:06:30,056 - See you in a bit. - See you in a bit. 108 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:32,725 Good morning. 109 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:35,686 - Morning. - Ooh! Oh! Ça va? 110 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,736 Liz, Mia, Layla. 111 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:45,738 Let's have a walk. 112 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:50,159 - I think she's cute. - Yes. 113 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:51,077 Esther, wait. 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,538 Wait a second. We're going to try something on you. 115 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:56,624 - Thank you. - Thank you so much. 116 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:01,754 We have 40 girls to cast for 40 looks. 117 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:07,009 The atelier then have to make the clothes fit perfectly on each model. 118 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,144 No, all the machines have turned off. 119 00:07:16,894 --> 00:07:18,646 The universe went, "Non." 120 00:07:18,729 --> 00:07:19,981 Yes, the fuse has blown. 121 00:07:20,064 --> 00:07:21,232 Not today. 122 00:07:23,609 --> 00:07:26,154 We're trying to get an enormous amount done 123 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:28,531 in a very short space of time. 124 00:07:29,699 --> 00:07:31,784 We're not gonna sleep a lot this week. 125 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:33,995 Absolutely. Let's do the trouser as well. 126 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:36,372 Can you grab the various knitwear options? 127 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:42,670 It's so late at night, outside, just in one space. 128 00:07:42,753 --> 00:07:44,964 Normally the girls walk from room to room. 129 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:49,427 This is the first time I'm showing as a house 130 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:53,639 with fashion and beauty and fragrance all together. 131 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:57,435 It's definitely the most stressful show we've ever done. 132 00:07:57,518 --> 00:07:59,103 Stressful! 133 00:08:00,021 --> 00:08:02,356 There's so much that could go wrong. 134 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:05,651 Are you going to attach it at the bottom? 135 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:10,781 I've been cross-questioning every single decision in my head. 136 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:12,450 - So we have four there. - Okay. 137 00:08:12,533 --> 00:08:14,452 - One, two, three of those. - Yes. 138 00:08:15,786 --> 00:08:17,330 Everything has to be perfect. 139 00:08:17,413 --> 00:08:20,625 It's gotta be best in class before I put it out there, 140 00:08:20,708 --> 00:08:23,252 so there's never any compromise. 141 00:08:24,962 --> 00:08:29,675 And I've spent years building this foundation. 142 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:37,767 When I stepped into the fashion industry, I had a lot of naivety. 143 00:08:38,768 --> 00:08:40,645 I remember thinking, 144 00:08:41,145 --> 00:08:45,066 "Oh, she has no idea what she's in for." 145 00:08:46,734 --> 00:08:50,863 I first became aware of Victoria in the mid-'90s. 146 00:08:50,947 --> 00:08:55,409 I did know that she loved Gucci because she was photographed all the time. 147 00:08:55,493 --> 00:08:58,746 So I was always happy when I saw her photographed in my clothes. 148 00:08:58,829 --> 00:09:00,081 David as well. 149 00:09:00,164 --> 00:09:01,791 I never know what to wear. 150 00:09:01,874 --> 00:09:04,126 Yeah, it must be really hard for you, Victoria, 151 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:07,213 you know, trying to decide whether to wear the little Gucci dress, 152 00:09:07,296 --> 00:09:08,839 the little Gucci dress, 153 00:09:08,923 --> 00:09:11,259 or the little Gucci dress. 154 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:12,635 Exactly. 155 00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:14,554 I remember when I first heard 156 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:18,724 that Victoria was going to start her own fashion label. 157 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:22,186 And I wanted to call her and say, 158 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,689 "Why? Why would you do this?" 159 00:09:24,772 --> 00:09:29,402 "Do you understand this business is so tough?" 160 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:33,364 She has to show to people, demonstrate to people, that she had it, 161 00:09:33,864 --> 00:09:36,450 and people are not easy to recognize that. 162 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:39,495 If you are a pop star, you're gonna be a pop star forever. 163 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,372 I thought she was very, very brave. 164 00:09:41,455 --> 00:09:43,874 I think a lot of people didn't take it seriously. 165 00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:48,087 I think a lot of people thought, "Okay, Victoria Beckham's starting a collection." 166 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:51,257 "Someone else will probably design it. She'll stick her name on it." 167 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:52,466 "Won't be very serious." 168 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:56,512 And everybody warning her, "You will not be accepted." 169 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,224 "Oh, here comes another celebrity wanting to be a fashion person." 170 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:07,648 Everybody was coming out with a line. 171 00:10:07,732 --> 00:10:10,318 Jessica Simpson had a line, and Paris Hilton had a line. 172 00:10:12,194 --> 00:10:15,698 The likelihood that I was going to become successful 173 00:10:15,781 --> 00:10:17,617 was very, very slim, 174 00:10:18,117 --> 00:10:20,620 but I really didn't listen to that. 175 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,497 That fueled me, to be completely honest. 176 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:28,544 So in 2008, 177 00:10:30,463 --> 00:10:33,049 I decided to show my first collection. 178 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:41,557 I didn't do a big fashion show and come out to dry ice. 179 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:44,268 I was showing ten dresses in a hotel suite. 180 00:10:45,853 --> 00:10:50,149 And even though David helped me set up this business, financially, 181 00:10:50,232 --> 00:10:52,485 he didn't come to the show. 182 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:55,404 I didn't want celebrities there 183 00:10:55,488 --> 00:10:58,491 because I didn't want it to be about celebrity. 184 00:11:00,326 --> 00:11:02,453 I was really, really scared. 185 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:05,956 It's almost like you're standing in a room naked. 186 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:08,459 You feel vulnerable. 187 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:14,006 The fear of being rejected by that industry was there. 188 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:17,677 Journalists, they didn't really say very much, 189 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,138 and they left, and I'd be sitting there thinking, "Did they like it?" 190 00:11:25,935 --> 00:11:30,147 I knew what the expectation of every person is going to be. 191 00:11:30,648 --> 00:11:32,274 He said, "What's the worst that can happen?" 192 00:11:32,358 --> 00:11:34,318 To fall flat on your face. 193 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,448 I remember the first review coming through. 194 00:11:43,327 --> 00:11:44,787 It was amazing. 195 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:52,169 I was absolutely blown away by the response. 196 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:58,342 The press was really, "Oh, wow. Oh... Oh, wow." 197 00:11:58,426 --> 00:12:01,387 My PR at the time said, "You're not gonna believe this." 198 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:08,477 It was Madonna in W Magazine wearing one of my dresses. 199 00:12:09,353 --> 00:12:12,565 I didn't think in my wildest dreams that was gonna happen. 200 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:16,318 I said, "One show is not enough." 201 00:12:16,402 --> 00:12:19,321 "I can't give you a diploma for that," you know? 202 00:12:19,405 --> 00:12:22,742 "It's just the beginning." She's just scratched a bit the surface, 203 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:25,995 and... and, uh... and now the next one. 204 00:12:29,498 --> 00:12:30,499 Morning. 205 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:37,840 - How's your house coming along? - I have, like, turkeys. 206 00:12:37,923 --> 00:12:39,925 You have turkeys? We've got chickens. 207 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:42,344 I have to tell David he should get some turkeys 208 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:44,847 'cause you know he's got lots of animals. 209 00:12:44,930 --> 00:12:47,183 You're gonna end up with a proper farm. 210 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:49,393 How big is the chicken house? 211 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:53,355 Oh, it's impressive. Yeah, it's a proper chicken house, yeah. 212 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:55,566 You should see his cock. It's magnificent. 213 00:12:59,528 --> 00:13:00,780 I'm not kidding. 214 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:04,950 I'm not kidding. It really is. 215 00:13:06,577 --> 00:13:07,578 Hey. 216 00:13:08,496 --> 00:13:09,997 - Hey. - How you doing? 217 00:13:10,581 --> 00:13:12,166 Hey, are you all right? 218 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:15,002 - Hey. - Hi. 219 00:13:15,085 --> 00:13:18,422 The lead-up to a show is hard. 220 00:13:19,006 --> 00:13:21,342 But she's good at putting up a front. 221 00:13:22,009 --> 00:13:25,137 We've got another girl that's come for the casting. 222 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:27,556 - Harper. - Give us a good walk. 223 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,142 Give us a good walk. You look gorgeous. 224 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,270 I just want you to feel comfortable, so as long as you're... Okay. 225 00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:35,940 - You look perfect. Beautiful. - I like the color. 226 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:37,066 So pretty. 227 00:13:37,149 --> 00:13:39,318 These are the shoes you're gonna wear, yeah? 228 00:13:39,401 --> 00:13:41,779 - Yeah. - It is such a gorgeous dress. 229 00:13:41,862 --> 00:13:43,864 Looks amazing. We just need to do the length. 230 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:46,992 David's sitting there, watching me. 231 00:13:47,076 --> 00:13:49,912 It's the one time where he really sees 232 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:53,541 all of the work that I've put in really come to fruition. 233 00:13:54,124 --> 00:13:57,086 I actually think I have my own good opinions. 234 00:13:57,169 --> 00:13:59,797 I actually do, and sometimes I'll voice them. 235 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,299 It fits you so perfectly. 236 00:14:02,383 --> 00:14:05,636 Do you not think they're at a dangerous length there for her heel? 237 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:09,265 He always makes me laugh when he gives words of advice, 238 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:10,975 and I'm like, "Yeah, that's great." 239 00:14:11,725 --> 00:14:13,394 "Keep it to yourself." 240 00:14:13,477 --> 00:14:16,313 - Oh, here we go. Okay. - I love it. 241 00:14:16,397 --> 00:14:19,108 I love the sleeve. That's exactly what you wanted, right? 242 00:14:19,191 --> 00:14:22,528 It's really cool, that, Cruz. Why did I never get a suit? 243 00:14:24,154 --> 00:14:26,532 - Quite rude. - I did offer. 244 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:28,701 - I kind of prefer the black one. - Yeah. 245 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:30,828 - Let's have a look. - The black is less matchy. 246 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:32,830 - I like the black one, actually. - Yeah. 247 00:14:33,581 --> 00:14:34,582 Yeah. 248 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:40,337 It's a really busy moment. 249 00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:43,257 But then when you've got all of the family, it is a juggle. 250 00:14:43,340 --> 00:14:46,176 "Is anybody upset? Has everybody got what they want?" 251 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:48,679 I want everyone to be happy. 252 00:14:49,179 --> 00:14:51,807 - You happy with your dress? - Yeah, I love it. 253 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:55,728 I want to try and make everyone feel good, 254 00:14:55,811 --> 00:14:58,188 but inside, my mind really is elsewhere. 255 00:14:58,272 --> 00:15:00,983 I'm thinking of a lot of... a lot of other things. 256 00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:05,821 I don't think any of them really know quite what goes on. 257 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:10,868 Is this what you felt like when you came to watch me play football? 258 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:11,952 Yeah. 259 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:15,873 We've been together for 27 years... 260 00:15:15,956 --> 00:15:17,583 It's amazing. So beautiful. 261 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:21,420 ...and she's still as driven as she was when I first met her. 262 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:27,384 You know, the way she was wired was different. 263 00:15:27,468 --> 00:15:29,386 David, explain to us what you've got on your feet. 264 00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:31,805 - I'm not explaining. You can explain. - Look at that. 265 00:15:31,889 --> 00:15:35,225 David Beckham wears Spice Girls socks. 266 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:40,105 I'm sure my mum and dad would've loved me to have met a local girl, 267 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:43,484 and my manager would've loved me to have met a local girl 268 00:15:43,567 --> 00:15:45,361 that stayed in Manchester, 269 00:15:45,444 --> 00:15:48,572 that lived in Manchester, that never wanted to leave Manchester, 270 00:15:48,656 --> 00:15:50,950 and just was my wife. 271 00:15:52,701 --> 00:15:54,119 But I didn't want that. 272 00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,166 I never wanted that. 273 00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:01,835 Harper, you're gonna love this. 274 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,046 - Oh, that's so cool. - Yeah. 275 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:08,467 I was never the young girl, growing up, that dreamt of getting married 276 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:10,177 and dreamt of being a mum. 277 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:14,640 It wasn't until I met David that those things even occurred to me. 278 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:22,773 I was in the Spice Girls when I got pregnant with Brooklyn. 279 00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:26,944 I was so excited to be pregnant. 280 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,364 It was August, in Miami. 281 00:16:30,447 --> 00:16:34,243 I was a couple of months pregnant. It was so hot. 282 00:16:35,285 --> 00:16:37,788 I was in a PVC catsuit. 283 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:40,416 I had a bucket on the side of the stage 284 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:43,168 that I would have to just keep running offstage 285 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:47,381 and, like, being sick in because I had such bad morning sickness. 286 00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:53,595 And my PVC catsuit was having to be let out on a daily basis 287 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:55,514 'cause I was... I was growing. 288 00:16:56,473 --> 00:16:59,518 I remember, I used to turn around to the tour director and say, 289 00:16:59,601 --> 00:17:01,812 "I just can't go on," 290 00:17:02,312 --> 00:17:03,689 and he'd say to me, 291 00:17:03,772 --> 00:17:06,400 "There's only 102 shows left to do." 292 00:17:06,483 --> 00:17:08,819 The determination that she has... 293 00:17:11,113 --> 00:17:13,115 that comes from her parents. 294 00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:30,841 We've built and planted every single thing in this garden. 295 00:17:30,924 --> 00:17:33,177 Every... Everything. 296 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:37,723 So you can see Tony stopped work when you arrived. 297 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:43,604 My parents still live in the house that I grew up in. 298 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:48,609 When they bought that house, it was a shell. 299 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:52,362 My dad built it himself. 300 00:17:53,697 --> 00:17:58,494 He had this dream, and he was gonna do everything that he could 301 00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:02,998 to create the perfect living environment for his family. 302 00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:07,336 It had everything that I wanted 303 00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:09,963 because I could see that I could do things with it. 304 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,049 - Didn't have everything I wanted. - No. No. 305 00:18:12,132 --> 00:18:15,219 I wanted a cooker and to be able to turn the taps on and off. 306 00:18:15,302 --> 00:18:18,388 Yeah. Yeah. It was in a terrible state. 307 00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:20,349 Tony, what kind of business did you have? 308 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:23,268 - Electrical wholesaling. - Electrical wholesaling. 309 00:18:23,352 --> 00:18:26,647 The children have always been a big part, weren't they, of what you did. 310 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:27,731 They have, yes. Yeah. 311 00:18:28,565 --> 00:18:30,609 My dad started with nothing. 312 00:18:30,692 --> 00:18:33,153 He used to sit me and my brother and sister 313 00:18:33,237 --> 00:18:35,239 in, like, a little production line. 314 00:18:35,322 --> 00:18:37,366 We would build things. 315 00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:40,953 Plugs and electrical things. 316 00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:47,251 My mum put us all in the back of the van in our pajamas. 317 00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:51,547 My dad would drive around, delivering these things that we'd built. 318 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:53,632 - Lights and... - Cable and stuff. 319 00:18:53,715 --> 00:18:55,968 - Anything like that. - It wasn't domestic stuff. 320 00:18:56,051 --> 00:19:00,139 But Tony's always had an amazing work ethic. 321 00:19:00,764 --> 00:19:03,225 Yeah, I was very strict, to myself. 322 00:19:03,308 --> 00:19:06,687 Dad worked so, so hard, 323 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:09,690 and he expected me to do the same. 324 00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:13,026 I was with my mum and dad the other night, 325 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:16,113 and we were talking about when I was at theater school 326 00:19:16,196 --> 00:19:18,907 and when I desperately wanted to be a dancer. 327 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:25,414 My mum and dad remortgaged their house 328 00:19:25,914 --> 00:19:28,417 so I could go to theater school. 329 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,671 And I was so aware of that. 330 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:38,844 Aware of the responsibility I had to work really hard. 331 00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:41,138 But I wasn't ever the best. 332 00:19:41,221 --> 00:19:43,932 I wasn't the best dancer, the best singer. 333 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:47,352 I didn't look like a lot of the other girls. 334 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:52,232 That's where I started getting a lot of criticism 335 00:19:52,316 --> 00:19:55,861 about my appearance, my weight. 336 00:19:55,944 --> 00:20:00,240 And I remember the principal of the theater school saying to me, 337 00:20:00,324 --> 00:20:05,370 you know, "At the end of the show, we're gonna just fly you girls in." 338 00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:09,291 "You girls can just be flown in." 339 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,376 Meaning that we weren't, sort of, 340 00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:15,214 looking as aesthetically pleasing as some of the others. 341 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:17,090 "We'll just fly you in the back." 342 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:18,550 Yeah, I mean... 343 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:22,137 On one occasion where we thought she was doing really, really well, 344 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:24,681 and then when we went to see her do something, 345 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:26,642 she was put right at the back, wasn't she? 346 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:27,893 - Yeah. - If you remember that. 347 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:31,772 Told, "You're overweight. You'll be in the back." 348 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,025 Obviously it used to upset her. 349 00:20:35,108 --> 00:20:37,236 But it must... it must affect you 350 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,740 because that's a very silly thing to say to a young person, isn't it? "You're fat." 351 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,912 I remember phoning my mum. I was crying. "I wanna come home." 352 00:20:46,995 --> 00:20:48,580 And my mum said, "Come home." 353 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:51,500 "We'll go to Lakeside, and we'll buy a new pair of shoes," 354 00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:54,127 and then my dad would come on the phone, and he'd say... 355 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:57,381 - "Stay there. Put up with it, and--" - "And show them all." 356 00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:00,092 "You stay there. You work hard." 357 00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:03,553 And that ultimately set her up for life. 358 00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:14,356 As we speak, I'm receiving tons of messages. 359 00:21:14,439 --> 00:21:15,816 My WhatsApp is burning. 360 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,696 Yeah, it's been raining cats and dogs for the last few days, 361 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:25,575 and I, obviously, am checking the weather forecast every hour. 362 00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:28,662 Right now I'm trying to find a lot of solutions 363 00:21:28,745 --> 00:21:31,873 so the show doesn't look like a living nightmare. 364 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:38,005 If ever there was a season we could do something different with hair, this is it. 365 00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:39,715 Because a lot of the girls have haircuts, 366 00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:42,676 you can really lean into that individuality a little bit. 367 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,012 That'd be really nice. You know it's outside? 368 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:49,308 - Okay. - We do have... We do have a cover. 369 00:21:49,391 --> 00:21:54,896 But obviously, you could be dealing with a damp, sort of, humidity. 370 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:55,981 - Right. - Maybe. 371 00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:58,483 - Okay. - Which is not making your job easy. 372 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:02,362 But it's just the reality of "don't know what weather's gonna be like." 373 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:03,947 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 374 00:22:04,448 --> 00:22:07,993 I had my heart set on an outdoors show space 375 00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:10,954 because I was convinced it was gonna still be hot 376 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,458 on 27th September in Paris. 377 00:22:14,541 --> 00:22:16,376 I don't know what I was thinking. 378 00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:26,261 Welcome to Glastonbury! 379 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:28,055 Oh my God, this is not cool. 380 00:22:28,138 --> 00:22:29,890 Yeah, well, imagine Friday night. 381 00:22:29,973 --> 00:22:30,932 Oh my God. 382 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,896 We're going to this amazing castle next to Paris 383 00:22:35,979 --> 00:22:38,607 that has never received any show before. 384 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:42,778 So, basically, the structure is not ready to welcome all these guests. 385 00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:44,821 Fuck. Guys, yesterday was not like that. 386 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:47,199 It's crazy. It's getting worse and worse every day. 387 00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:55,457 This beautiful path is now covered by mud, 388 00:22:55,540 --> 00:23:00,087 which is obviously not acceptable for the guests we're gonna host. 389 00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:03,048 Well, they have to cover this, for sure. 390 00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:06,301 You can't do flooring everywhere. Today it looks like shit, and... 391 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:07,552 We all agree on this. 392 00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:12,474 Also, with this humidity, we have mold and things everywhere. 393 00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:16,895 It's impossible. We are still working. We still have trucks coming. 394 00:23:16,978 --> 00:23:20,399 Here is a question of what we're gonna do, but it's a question, obviously. 395 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,027 It was a disaster. It's just mud. 396 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:26,696 The Mayor's office won't allow us to add gravel. 397 00:23:26,780 --> 00:23:28,532 We're in a crisis situation with this. 398 00:23:29,783 --> 00:23:31,201 Guys, let's go. 399 00:23:34,454 --> 00:23:37,249 Now you understand why I was stressed the other day when I went back. 400 00:23:39,626 --> 00:23:43,046 But as soon as I come back, I grab Victoria and Lara and Jane. 401 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:51,847 Like, could you put something if you can't cover it? 402 00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:54,099 I'm just thinking about white pants. 403 00:23:54,182 --> 00:23:55,392 They'll be black. 404 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:58,603 Right now, we can't cover them, which is... 405 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,897 Because it would be ugly as fuck. 406 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:06,736 If I am upset or concerned, I really try to not project. 407 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:09,573 It must look like the lights are on but there's no one in. 408 00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:17,247 You know, it's taken a long, long time to get here. 409 00:24:18,915 --> 00:24:21,501 It's been a hell of a roller coaster. 410 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:36,433 I was building the fashion business like any start-up, 411 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,478 traveling back and forth between New York and LA. 412 00:24:39,561 --> 00:24:43,607 I didn't know if it was gonna be one collection, two collections. 413 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:48,111 Wow! Wouldn't it be amazing if I could do three collections? 414 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:53,658 But as soon as people did become aware that Roland was involved, 415 00:24:53,742 --> 00:24:59,164 everybody wanted to say that it was Roland that had secretly created the collection. 416 00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:04,461 I object strongly to these celebrities multitasking. 417 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:05,670 Victoria Beckham. 418 00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:08,965 Sorry, girls. You sing, we design, you know? 419 00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:11,009 And we spend years of training-- 420 00:25:11,092 --> 00:25:13,887 Her dresses look suspiciously like Roland Mouret, don't they? 421 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:18,141 Very suspicious. I think Roland is offering her a little assistance. 422 00:25:18,642 --> 00:25:21,353 Oh. Hold on. Wow. What? 423 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:24,105 Of course. There's gotta be a man behind it. 424 00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:26,942 It couldn't be, like, a silly little pop star. 425 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,987 No... No way. No way. I didn't design that collection. 426 00:25:31,071 --> 00:25:33,740 People thinking that I was just the front person 427 00:25:33,823 --> 00:25:37,494 and that Roland was the one that was actually designing. 428 00:25:37,577 --> 00:25:41,039 I knew I had such a long way to go. 429 00:25:41,581 --> 00:25:44,834 It was gonna take more than one show to prove myself. 430 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:48,755 It takes time. It takes time and consistency. 431 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:52,050 What can I do? I can focus. 432 00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:53,635 I can work hard. 433 00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:56,846 And I really... I blocked out the noise. 434 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,723 She likes to prove people wrong. 435 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,184 Quietly. 436 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,604 And, ultimately, what I wanted 437 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:07,816 was Anna Wintour to see one of my collections. 438 00:26:08,316 --> 00:26:12,153 Anna Wintour, the longtime editor in chief of American Vogue, 439 00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:14,990 is one of the most powerful figures in fashion. 440 00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:17,284 I knew her as a Spice Girl, 441 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:21,121 and we admired her style and her sense of commitment to fashion, 442 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:25,333 but most of the celebrities who get involved in our world 443 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:26,876 are not true designers. 444 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,088 I thought maybe this was a hobby. 445 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,215 I didn't quite believe it. 446 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,093 Well, we would invite her every season, 447 00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:37,345 but she didn't show up. 448 00:26:48,231 --> 00:26:50,275 It's either this or it's two different colors. 449 00:26:50,358 --> 00:26:53,653 Exactly, which I prefer because I prefer the fit. 450 00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:55,405 I'm gonna just go do this preview. 451 00:26:55,488 --> 00:26:56,948 - Is that okay? - Okay. Okay. 452 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,827 - Hey, Mark. How are you? - Hi, Victoria. Lovely to see you. 453 00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:02,996 I do press previews 454 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:08,084 where the press will come one-on-one to ask me questions. 455 00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:12,213 And that's my opportunity to explain the collection 456 00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:14,633 ahead of when they then see the show. 457 00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:18,303 Did coming to Paris... Has it... Did it alter anything or not? 458 00:27:18,386 --> 00:27:20,430 I think you feel more... more pressure 459 00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:24,309 because, ultimately, for me, Paris has always been the dream. 460 00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:27,354 And I'm sandwiched between brands 461 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:30,106 that I have looked up to and respected my entire life. 462 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:31,524 And worn, probably. Yes. Yes. 463 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,237 We create a collection that is seen on the catwalk. 464 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:40,659 We then translate that into a more wearable version 465 00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:42,243 that will be sold. 466 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,954 - Are you excited about it? - I'm really excited about it. 467 00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:48,458 Because we're also launching the next fragrance. 468 00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:49,376 Right. 469 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:53,963 So the fragrance, and the story that goes alongside the fragrance, 470 00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:56,549 was the inspiration to the venue. 471 00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:57,759 Oh, okay. 472 00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:00,637 I want to be part of the conversation. 473 00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:03,390 I want to push boundaries. 474 00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:09,938 But if I'm doing that, I do run the risk of people not understanding. 475 00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,607 For the picture, Katie, can you just make sure they... 476 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,694 One fashion journalist who hasn't always seen 477 00:28:15,777 --> 00:28:19,364 or appreciated what we're trying to do is trying to come in today. 478 00:28:20,031 --> 00:28:23,868 Why does she even wanna come when she gives you reviews like that? 479 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:28,248 She's never gonna come in here and want to like what she sees. 480 00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:32,168 You are taking this precious time before the show, 481 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:33,503 interrupt what we're doing... 482 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:35,380 They're gonna write regardless, 483 00:28:35,463 --> 00:28:39,426 so if you put yourself in a position where you've gotten your point across, 484 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:43,179 if they then don't, you know, get it, that's all we can do. 485 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,014 You can't control what people write. 486 00:28:45,098 --> 00:28:49,894 I see so many people get completely traumatized 487 00:28:49,978 --> 00:28:51,813 by, like, what people write. 488 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:54,065 - People that have worked really hard. - I get it. 489 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,276 And those reviews come out when they're exhausted. 490 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,027 - Completely get it. - Really tired. 491 00:28:58,111 --> 00:29:01,531 - If you don't have that conversation-- - The team have worked so hard-- 492 00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:03,158 They're gonna write anyway. 493 00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:05,201 Whether she comes or not, she's gonna write. 494 00:29:05,285 --> 00:29:08,288 I think you're gonna have to be the bigger person and do it. 495 00:29:12,041 --> 00:29:16,171 It does hurt to read negative reviews. 496 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:23,303 When you put something out into the world, you have to be judged. 497 00:29:24,679 --> 00:29:26,890 Some people will judge it and they won't like it. 498 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:31,811 But hoping they will, it's a really... 499 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:36,316 Uh! It's such a delicate position to be in. 500 00:29:37,358 --> 00:29:40,820 Especially being her because she went through such a time 501 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:45,325 where anything that was photographed, written, was negative. 502 00:29:48,369 --> 00:29:51,331 And I think she's always had this knee-jerk reaction 503 00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:55,084 anytime a camera comes up, anytime an article's gonna come out, 504 00:29:55,168 --> 00:29:57,337 "It's gonna be negative. It's gonna be bad." 505 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:03,259 Posh Spice, I hope that next time there's a strong breeze, 506 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,011 her neck gets stuck in that position 507 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:07,931 so she can't eat anything or take any fluids 508 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:09,474 and eventually starves to death 509 00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:13,144 so that her Gucci twinset suit falls off her 510 00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:15,647 and she expires. 511 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,614 People felt it was okay to criticize a woman 512 00:30:24,697 --> 00:30:27,450 for her weight, for what she's doing, 513 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,452 for what she's wearing. 514 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:34,415 There were a lot of things happening in TV then that won't happen now. 515 00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,042 That can't happen now. 516 00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:42,882 I was weighed on national television when Brooklyn was six months old. 517 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:50,473 "Get on those scales," on television. "Have you lost the weight?" You know? 518 00:30:50,557 --> 00:30:54,018 And we laugh about it and we joke about it when we're on television, 519 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,021 but I was really, really young. 520 00:30:57,105 --> 00:30:58,481 And that hurts. 521 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:02,402 My Victoria that I knew sits at home in a tracksuit, 522 00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,780 smiling, laughing, having a glass of wine. 523 00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:11,661 That started to go purely because the criticism that she was getting. 524 00:31:12,328 --> 00:31:17,166 I really started to doubt myself and not like myself, 525 00:31:17,792 --> 00:31:20,461 you know, because I let it affect me. 526 00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:25,091 I didn't know what I saw when I looked in the mirror. 527 00:31:25,174 --> 00:31:27,302 Was I fat? Was I thin? I... I don't know. 528 00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:29,971 You lose all sense of reality. 529 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:35,602 I was just very critical of myself. I didn't like what I saw. 530 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:42,775 I've been everything from "Porky Posh" to "Skinny Posh." 531 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:49,949 I mean, you know, it's... it's been a lot, and that's hard. 532 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,828 I had no control over what was being written about me, 533 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,788 pictures that were being taken, 534 00:31:56,289 --> 00:32:00,251 and I suppose I wanted to control that, you know? 535 00:32:00,335 --> 00:32:03,004 I could control it with the clothing. I could control... 536 00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:05,089 I could control my weight. 537 00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:10,428 And I was controlling it in an incredibly unhealthy way. 538 00:32:14,891 --> 00:32:19,771 When you have an eating disorder, you become very good at lying. 539 00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:22,732 And I was never honest about it with my parents. 540 00:32:22,815 --> 00:32:25,151 I never talked about it publicly. 541 00:32:25,234 --> 00:32:26,778 It really affects you 542 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:30,114 when you're being told, constantly, you're not good enough. 543 00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:36,496 And I suppose that's been with me my whole life. 544 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,888 Was fashion something you and Victoria always bonded over? 545 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:56,849 Oh God, no. Oh my God, we never bonded over fashion. 546 00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:58,601 I could care less about fashion. 547 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:02,021 She's taught me a lot about fashion, you know? 548 00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:05,024 If it was up to me, I'd wear so much jewelry, 549 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:06,693 I'd look like a Christmas tree. 550 00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,737 And she's like, "You know, you really should wear less." 551 00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:12,281 "Just less." 552 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:16,202 So this is the dress that Victoria has picked out for you for the show. 553 00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:19,455 Oh! I love it. It's gonna be comfortable. 554 00:33:19,539 --> 00:33:22,375 Similar fabric to one of the dresses you wore before. 555 00:33:22,458 --> 00:33:25,086 And it's a little cold, so I'm glad it's long sleeve. 556 00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:27,005 Exactly, but it's still quite sexy. 557 00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:28,631 Does this go in the back or the front? 558 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,967 - This falls down the back. - Down the back. Okay. 559 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:32,719 So... Let me go get her. 560 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:33,636 All right. 561 00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:37,640 This is the biggest thing she's ever done for one of her shows. 562 00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:39,726 She is stressed out, 563 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:46,149 so to show up for one day for her, is, like, not asking for a lot, 564 00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:50,319 but it means so much to her when she sees more than the fashion critics 565 00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:54,741 and more than celebrities being at the... at the show... 566 00:33:54,824 --> 00:33:57,952 She just looks over to her kids. She looks over to David. 567 00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,787 She looks over to me, 568 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:01,789 and then we, you know... 569 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:03,958 She just feels, like, okay. 570 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:05,918 - Hi. - Hey. How are you? 571 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,254 You look beautiful. I miss you. 572 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:10,465 - You too. - Hi, honey. 573 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:12,967 You were so gorgeous in the show. 574 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:14,552 You know, it's fun. 575 00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:17,889 But it's usually the end of Fashion Week. That's why it's always next to yours. 576 00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,265 And this time they opened. 577 00:34:19,348 --> 00:34:21,392 It was pouring rain. We were outside. 578 00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,019 - You're not outside, are you? - Yes. 579 00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:24,103 - You are? - Yeah. 580 00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:26,064 - No, we were out in the rain. - Oh my God. 581 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:29,192 - One of the girls fell. - Oh no. At least it wasn't you. 582 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:31,360 I know. I was like... 583 00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:34,280 - These? You know I'm a Latina. - That could be good. 584 00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:37,283 You know Coco Chanel used to say that before you leave the house, 585 00:34:37,366 --> 00:34:39,869 you have to look in the mirror and take one thing off. 586 00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:40,828 Off? 587 00:34:40,912 --> 00:34:42,830 - You do the opposite. - I add! 588 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,291 Before you leave the house, you look in the mirror 589 00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:46,667 and you just wanna add, add, add. 590 00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:49,003 I do. I'm always like, "No, I need more." 591 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:52,757 - These skirts would look great on you. - Oh God. Are you crazy? 592 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,425 - No! It would look good. - I am too old. 593 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:57,470 This, with a knit. No you're not. I wear this with long boots. 594 00:34:57,553 --> 00:34:59,514 But you have great legs. You should wear that. 595 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:02,183 - You have great legs. - No, I'm a little... 596 00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:04,102 But it does look gorgeous... 597 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,312 I remember, once, going out with Eva, 598 00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:08,314 and there were lots of paparazzi. 599 00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:12,944 And Eva's walking along, and she doesn't give a shit, 600 00:35:13,027 --> 00:35:15,738 and she's throwing her head back, and she's laughing. 601 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,156 She doesn't care. 602 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,785 And I remember, I wasn't even talking to her 603 00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,246 because I didn't wanna be photographed. 604 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:28,000 The minute I see a camera, I change. 605 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:31,129 The barrier goes up, my armor goes on, 606 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:35,091 and that's when, you know, the miserable cow that doesn't smile, 607 00:35:35,174 --> 00:35:39,011 that's when she comes out, and I'm so conscious of that. 608 00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:43,057 And I don't like that. I'd rather not be that person. 609 00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:47,520 I'd love to have the confidence to walk out of a restaurant and smile, 610 00:35:47,603 --> 00:35:50,898 or stand on a red carpet and smile, 611 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,650 but I just can't do it. 612 00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:54,694 - I'm gonna let you get on. - I love you. Go. 613 00:35:54,777 --> 00:35:58,489 Thank you for coming. Dress looks gorgeous. You look amazing. 614 00:35:58,573 --> 00:36:02,910 - I love you. I will see you Friday. - See you later! 615 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:05,746 I know you wouldn't think we're the same size because of my ass, 616 00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:07,123 but we are! 617 00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:09,000 Well... 618 00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:11,669 You've got a gorgeous bottom. 619 00:36:11,752 --> 00:36:14,630 Right, I'm gonna go back down. 620 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:28,019 2011 was a big year. 621 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,021 We were in LA. 622 00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:35,067 The boys were at school, and I was pregnant with Harper. 623 00:36:35,151 --> 00:36:37,612 - Victoria. - Congratulations, Victoria. 624 00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:44,869 The collections were growing. 625 00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:50,291 It took years and years, 626 00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:52,668 but things started to change, 627 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:54,712 and things were going well. 628 00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:59,842 People said how much they enjoyed Victoria's shows 629 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:02,428 and how much fun it was. 630 00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:04,639 So I got curious. 631 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,850 Anna was coming to the show. 632 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:10,770 - Oh my God. - Enjoy the show. 633 00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:14,232 When Anna's going to the show, you're ready to shit yourself. 634 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:16,943 Mediocrity. 635 00:37:17,026 --> 00:37:20,071 It doesn't so much as bore me as anger me. 636 00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:21,364 I was nervous. 637 00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:24,575 It's a huge deal. 638 00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:28,746 I was skeptical. 639 00:37:29,997 --> 00:37:34,377 I think we can all be a little bit snobby in the fashion business 640 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:38,339 and think maybe this is, you know, a side gig. 641 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:43,010 But Victoria was one that totally proved us wrong. 642 00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:51,018 It was clear that there was a vision there, 643 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:54,563 there was a point of view for people to recognize what she stands for, 644 00:37:54,647 --> 00:38:00,361 and she achieved it with grace and with charm and with humility. 645 00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:03,656 It was a real pinch-me moment. 646 00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:05,074 I couldn't believe it. 647 00:38:05,866 --> 00:38:10,579 She's actually, really, to be taken as a serious designer, which she is. 648 00:38:10,663 --> 00:38:14,000 The fact that people are accepting me is really exciting. 649 00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:18,004 There were more and more people we had to invite to the presentations, 650 00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:20,339 so, naturally, we went from presentations 651 00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:25,052 into the big show at the public library in New York. 652 00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:31,934 I remember, I was still breastfeeding Harper. 653 00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:35,604 Every time someone moved a chair, I was like, "Oh my God." 654 00:38:35,688 --> 00:38:37,773 You know what it's like when you're breastfeeding. 655 00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:51,495 Designer Brand of the Year goes to 656 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,706 Victoria Beckham. 657 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,585 We proved them wrong. 658 00:38:57,668 --> 00:38:59,712 She was taking our revenge, 659 00:39:00,212 --> 00:39:02,631 in the best way possible, by being creative. 660 00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:05,217 She was getting rave reviews. 661 00:39:06,135 --> 00:39:07,303 Thank you. 662 00:39:08,012 --> 00:39:12,683 That feeling was something I wasn't used to since the Spice Girls. 663 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:15,519 And you want more. 664 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:20,066 It's kind of addictive. 665 00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,817 You can lose yourself in it. 666 00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:26,197 Victoria, let's see a smile! Come on. You can do it. Smile. 667 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,908 I said, "Slow down. Slow down." 668 00:39:29,408 --> 00:39:31,535 The shows just got bigger and bigger and bigger. 669 00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:39,043 Victoria Beckham opened this, her first stand-alone boutique 670 00:39:39,126 --> 00:39:40,419 in London's swanky Mayfair. 671 00:39:42,338 --> 00:39:46,425 It was incredible. I never thought that that would be me. 672 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:53,474 I was taking this brand to the next level. 673 00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:59,105 Now, five years ago, Victoria Beckham only had three people working for her. 674 00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,190 Now she has over a hundred. 675 00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:06,237 We were investing heavily. 676 00:40:09,323 --> 00:40:12,660 We were spending all this money on locations, on models, 677 00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:14,120 on people being there, 678 00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:18,165 and I would walk into, you know, the show area, and I'm like... 679 00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:23,921 Things were starting to get out of control. 680 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:36,183 We're getting the looks done. We've got six looks done and 34 to go. 681 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:40,104 So we'll see how that goes in the next 682 00:40:41,063 --> 00:40:42,314 four hours, 683 00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:44,733 if any more will be confirmed. 684 00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:48,529 We've got some models coming in to try things on, 685 00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:50,406 and we'll see how that fitting goes. 686 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:53,659 One, two, three, four, automatic thumb war. Go. 687 00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,870 Okay. No. You went... We have to do it again. 688 00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:58,664 Okay. One, two, three, four, automatic thumb war. 689 00:40:58,747 --> 00:41:01,000 - Victoria, she is really cute. - She's really cute. 690 00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:03,878 - Yeah, I like her accent. - Yeah, she's hot. 691 00:41:03,961 --> 00:41:05,379 Her energy is hot. 692 00:41:06,088 --> 00:41:08,674 - I wanna be like her when I grow up. - She's a boss bitch. 693 00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:14,013 So this is our first "see now, buy now" dress. 694 00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:18,684 As soon as the show hits, it is available to buy straightaway, 695 00:41:18,767 --> 00:41:22,354 which is a fantastic moment for the brand because it's a gorgeous dress. 696 00:41:24,732 --> 00:41:27,276 Gonna have it on a great girl for the show as well. 697 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:30,196 Kill it, Gigi. Go on. 698 00:41:31,447 --> 00:41:33,866 Oh! Whoo! 699 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,121 - So you definitely want heels? - Risky. 700 00:41:39,205 --> 00:41:41,290 - We can try it. - Okay. 701 00:41:46,921 --> 00:41:49,340 I mean, it's almost like you've done this before. 702 00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:53,385 The professionalism, Gigi. 703 00:41:53,969 --> 00:41:58,432 To put Gigi in that dress and for her to walk in the show 704 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,392 is really important to me. 705 00:42:02,144 --> 00:42:06,065 She can pick and choose what show she wants to do. 706 00:42:06,857 --> 00:42:08,484 I'm an independent brand, 707 00:42:08,567 --> 00:42:11,403 so I'm not pulling out a big, meaty checkbook. 708 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:20,579 - That's a good shoe. - That's a better shoe. 709 00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:23,499 That looks really cool, I think. Do you like that shoe? 710 00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:24,542 I love it. 711 00:42:24,625 --> 00:42:27,419 - I like the attitude that she-- - Yeah, so do I. 712 00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:31,507 Just a thought. Do you wanna try it without the bag? 713 00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:33,300 - I like the bag. - I like the bag. 714 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,386 You feel comfortable? You like that? 715 00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:36,554 - Yeah. - That look? 716 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:38,430 - You sure? - It looks great on you. 717 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:40,766 - We're gonna try a different one too. - Take a picture. 718 00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:44,228 - Who have we got now? Felice? - Yes, this is the new skirt. 719 00:42:44,311 --> 00:42:46,063 New skirt, not right color. 720 00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:48,566 - Wow. - It's beautiful. 721 00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:54,989 Does it need... Does it need to be... 722 00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:57,992 You were gonna say "less transparent." 723 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,995 I think, if anything, it feels like it's falling forward a bit. 724 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:02,454 - The skirt? - It's not fitting right. 725 00:43:02,538 --> 00:43:05,082 And there's something on the back of the corset, right? Yeah. 726 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:07,459 I'm really not happy with the fit of this one. 727 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:10,504 No, it's dropping forward, and it's a mess at the back. 728 00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:15,718 This skirt has been bothering me all week. 729 00:43:16,302 --> 00:43:17,720 The fabric is very transparent 730 00:43:17,803 --> 00:43:20,514 and isn't behaving in the way that we want it to. 731 00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:24,351 You... I'm assuming that it's out of the question 732 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:27,813 to make the corset in the same fabric as the skirt here? 733 00:43:28,689 --> 00:43:32,526 Is there time to make the top in the same color as the... 734 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,194 I highly doubt it. 735 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:40,117 The fabric they've made this one in isn't perfect, so... it's a problem. 736 00:43:54,506 --> 00:43:57,718 Look, babe. Your dad's in France. Look. 737 00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:59,470 My dad? 738 00:44:00,387 --> 00:44:01,639 Fish and chips. 739 00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:05,142 My dad is in Paris, and he's eating fish and chips. 740 00:44:06,393 --> 00:44:08,729 - Ted is very chic. - Fish and chips in Paris? 741 00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:11,190 - He looks very happy. - Very. 742 00:44:11,815 --> 00:44:13,108 That's typical. 743 00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:24,411 There's last-minute garments being made 744 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,997 or alterations that are happening. 745 00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:30,167 What's weird is it stands out, and then it comes in on this bit here. 746 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:31,794 - Then it goes... - Okay. All right. 747 00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,129 - Make it smaller, then. - It's... Sorry. It's... Look. 748 00:44:34,213 --> 00:44:38,592 The atelier, they are full capacity, and we're getting a little stressed 749 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,304 about the amount of amendments they have to make in time for the show. 750 00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:46,517 How are you feeling? 751 00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:48,811 Tired. 752 00:44:48,894 --> 00:44:52,272 A little bit of a later night last night. 1:00 a.m. 753 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:54,858 The night before, we finished 12:00 a.m. 754 00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:59,947 Victoria's a little bit stressed, on edge. Models are late. 755 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:03,617 We are 23 looks confirmed. 756 00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:05,703 We have another 17 to go. 757 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,037 We're quite behind. 758 00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,374 We're thinking it's going to be an all-nighter. 759 00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:12,751 On Fashion Week, there's no sleep. 760 00:45:13,252 --> 00:45:16,171 Are you sure you wanna keep this boning down here? 761 00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:20,926 Because do you not think that is what is making all of this creasing happen? 762 00:45:21,009 --> 00:45:23,387 It's all over the place, I know. 763 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:26,098 What's happening here? How do we keep this... 764 00:45:26,181 --> 00:45:28,350 - They're remaking the whole thing. - Yeah. 765 00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:37,317 This show is important for everybody that works for me. 766 00:45:38,902 --> 00:45:43,157 But my name's on the label, and I feel the pressure of that. 767 00:45:44,324 --> 00:45:47,786 You are only as good as your last show. 768 00:45:53,834 --> 00:45:55,878 So the brand was growing. 769 00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:02,843 And we were getting great reviews. 770 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,053 That felt good. 771 00:46:08,682 --> 00:46:12,770 Everything looked great from the outside. 772 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,857 But the reality was, it was slipping through my fingers. 773 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,944 We had to go from small presentations to bigger shows, 774 00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:24,531 but we were doing it in a really extravagant way, 775 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:28,410 and the business wasn't growing at the same pace. 776 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:33,332 There was a lot of money being spent that should never have been spent. 777 00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:35,626 The losses were so, so big. 778 00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:38,378 David was investing a lot. 779 00:46:38,879 --> 00:46:44,468 It made me panic. I was panicked by it because I never saw anything coming back. 780 00:46:44,551 --> 00:46:45,803 David, Victoria. 781 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,058 It was just getting worse and worse and worse. 782 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,853 We always agreed that we would support each other, 783 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:56,063 no matter what. 784 00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:00,108 But it worried me. 785 00:47:01,276 --> 00:47:02,778 This isn't sustainable. 786 00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:06,031 It was like a snowball that was going down the mountain. 787 00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:09,243 There was a lot of waste. 788 00:47:10,118 --> 00:47:13,872 We were millions of pounds in the red. 789 00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:16,083 I didn't know what to do, 790 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:19,920 and I was so desperate to save this business 791 00:47:20,003 --> 00:47:23,465 that I cared so much about. 792 00:47:23,549 --> 00:47:29,179 I felt, if I'm being completely honest, like I was breaking down myself. 793 00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:31,014 Victoria! 794 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:36,687 How's the fashion line coming along, Victoria? 795 00:47:37,437 --> 00:47:39,690 And I knew it was public knowledge. 796 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:43,026 I felt embarrassed. 797 00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:45,279 But it's fact. 798 00:47:47,614 --> 00:47:48,907 It's a fact. 799 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:51,743 It wasn't an opinion of anyone. 800 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:54,663 It wasn't anyone being unkind. 801 00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:58,834 It was a fact, and I had to just take it on the chin. 802 00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,755 I was in a hole. I felt like I was in quicksand. 803 00:48:05,382 --> 00:48:08,969 There was no way of her business surviving. 804 00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:11,763 Sorry, step back. Step back. 805 00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:16,768 I was desperate. I was really, really desperate. 806 00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:34,703 You walk in, and it feels like the biggest show we've ever done. 807 00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:36,872 It's been this huge labor of love. 808 00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:40,751 But it also feels like, "Oh shit." 809 00:48:41,668 --> 00:48:43,712 Do you think it's a bit weird there? 810 00:48:43,795 --> 00:48:45,380 It shouldn't go in that... 811 00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:47,466 No, 'cause all these doors are gonna be open, 812 00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:51,887 and then all outside is gonna be all... all the tea lights... 813 00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:53,680 Wow. That's... 814 00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:56,892 If someone pushes against that, by the way, you wanna be careful. 815 00:49:03,231 --> 00:49:06,568 - Okay. - We're not working with that. 816 00:49:07,402 --> 00:49:09,446 The floor, having been rained on for a week, 817 00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:11,740 is like being at a festival right now. 818 00:49:12,699 --> 00:49:14,159 Not in the right way. 819 00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:18,080 I think the wheels might come off a little bit tonight. 820 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:41,895 I'm like, 821 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:44,648 "Is this how it's gonna look tomorrow?" 822 00:49:45,565 --> 00:49:49,069 I think we do have to bear in mind we don't wanna be running too late. 823 00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:53,115 The thing might be more the guest arrivals because of the traffic and the distance. 824 00:49:53,198 --> 00:49:54,950 - Yeah. - We're obviously checking... 825 00:49:55,033 --> 00:49:56,284 I worried, 826 00:49:56,368 --> 00:50:00,747 and I didn't say it to her because I didn't want her to stress. 827 00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:05,293 I'm taking people out of the center of Paris, 828 00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:07,295 on a Friday night, 829 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:11,341 to a dilapidated castle. 830 00:50:13,885 --> 00:50:15,303 Right, let's get the model. 831 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:17,556 What do you think of the transparency of the dress? 832 00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:22,144 Well, I'm just worried about her skirt. 833 00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:23,228 Yeah. 834 00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:34,239 I'm trying to not cry. 835 00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,200 I don't wanna worry David if he knows I'm upset. 836 00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:41,747 And so, I do internalize a lot of those things. 837 00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:45,292 I'm not gonna walk down these stairs. I'm just gonna stand up there. 838 00:50:45,792 --> 00:50:46,918 Is that what you prefer? 839 00:50:47,002 --> 00:50:49,671 I think so. I don't think I need to walk down the stairs. 840 00:50:50,172 --> 00:50:52,007 Well, I do think you should. 841 00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:54,051 Would you walk down to that first main platform? 842 00:50:54,134 --> 00:50:56,762 - Maybe that first one. - Because that would be better. 843 00:50:59,014 --> 00:51:01,433 She's put everything into this business. 844 00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:09,191 Her identity is her work. 845 00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:13,278 I love it. 846 00:51:19,367 --> 00:51:21,620 If I have a bad show, 847 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,207 I could lose everything that I've worked for. 848 00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:27,918 Okay. 849 00:51:29,294 --> 00:51:30,462 Thank you. 850 00:51:30,545 --> 00:51:32,380 I'll see you in the morning. 851 00:51:35,467 --> 00:51:37,469 Okay, Francesca. 852 00:51:43,183 --> 00:51:44,935 This is not gonna be ready. 69189

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