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There was a trailer
over on Buck Mountain Road,
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I wanna say probably
about 25 yards off the road.
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It's a really secluded place
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on Friday, November 13th.
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There's no neighbors.
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The way the property was set up,
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there was no way you could
see anything from the road.
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So once you got back there,
you were at their mercy.
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There was nobody coming
to save you.
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Nobody would hear you.
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If you got brought out there,
that was it.
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There was no walking away
from that.
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On November 17th, 2015,
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Virginia Rodriguez
celebrated her birthday.
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Every single year,
no matter what,
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her son Pepe would always
reach out to his mother.
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Pepe was a good-looking guy,
56 years old.
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Pepe's real name is Jose Herran.
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He was from New Jersey,
but he had moved
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to Pennsylvania because
a friend had told him,
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"Hey, maybe I can
use you out here.
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Maybe you can help out.
I got a place for you to stay."
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But that year,
he didn't reach out to her.
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Virginia Rodriguez,
she was somewhat frantically
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calling him constantly
on his cell phone,
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and it was going right
to voicemail.
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He stopped all communication
with family.
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There would never
be a time or circumstance
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that would take him away
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from his mother
and his daughter.
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Virginia Rodriguez told
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law enforcement that the last
time she had talked to her son
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was on November 13th of 2015,
that was Friday the 13th.
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I was a supervisor
of a homicide unit
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with the Pennsylvania State
Police for 17 years.
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When we got this call
about this investigation,
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I think investigators early on,
they knew there was more to it.
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I was working a cold case,
and my supervisor wanted us
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to drop everything
and move forward
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on this new information
that was coming in.
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We just started
hitting the ground,
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started talking to anybody
that would tell us something.
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We'd listen,
we'd follow that lead,
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talk to somebody else.
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We're also looking into,
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did Pepe use his passport,
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and did he passport out
of the country?
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You know, all those things,
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and all of them kept coming
back negative.
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At this point, we knew
that Pepe took a chance,
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and he moves to Weatherly.
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So law enforcement had
about a month window
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from October
up until November 13th,
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then all of a sudden,
he's gone-- vanished.
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We couldn't find that he was
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on the face
of the Earth anymore.
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Weatherly Borough
sits in northeast PA,
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right on the outside of Poconos.
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It sits kind of secluded
out in the middle of nowhere.
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It's three and a half
square miles.
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It's got about 2,500 residents.
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So it's a very
tight-knit community.
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People know everybody.
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The town, it kind of has
that hill-have-eyes,
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or that creepy feeling,
where it kinda feels like
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somebody's always watching.
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Just outside of Weatherly is
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where it runs
into Foster Township.
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It's woods, hundreds
and hundreds of acres of woods.
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And then
there's the stone couch.
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Sits on Buck Mountain Road.
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It's a rock that looks
like a couch.
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They say if you sit
on the couch,
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the first time,
bad luck will happen to you.
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The second time,
somebody that you know will die.
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And the third time, you'll die.
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I wouldn't dare sit
on that couch.
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On August 6th,
2016, a little over a year
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since Pepe had gone missing.
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It was around 2 o'clock
in the morning.
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I received a phone call
from my chief,
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said that we had a large fire
in town-- that jolts me.
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It wakes you right up.
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I jump out of bed,
grab some clothes,
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jump in the vehicle.
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A Bunch of residents
had called and said,
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"There's a house on fire
on Third Street,"
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and we didn't really
know what was going on.
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Everything was burning.
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I remember the heat
being so intense,
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I could feel the left side
of my face starting to blister.
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That's how hot it was.
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You could smell
the shingles burning,
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the sting in your nose.
It's the asphalt smell.
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You can smell the vinyl
siding burning.
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It was a lot worse than
I expected when I got there.
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There were three houses
that were on fire.
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But, by the grace of God,
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everybody got out
without any serious injuries.
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So we had
an accelerant-sniffing dog,
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and the dog definitely hit
on some areas
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that were deemed to have
accelerants on 'em.
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It was arson.
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I told my officers
to start doing interviews,
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talking to the neighbors.
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We need to go at it
and figure out who started it,
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how they started it,
why they started it.
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That morning after the fire,
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while we were doing
this investigation,
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I found out
that Roberto Torner
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owned the property
on Third Street.
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He was in his late 40s, confident.
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He's about as wide
as he is tall.
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This is what we're doing today,
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taking it down caveman style,
one piece at a time.
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So, of course I love my job.
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Wouldn't you?
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Roberto Torner was
a well-known name in the area.
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He was really integrating
himself from being an outsider
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into this small community
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by wanting to be involved
in politics,
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wanting to be
involved with local government,
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buy properties, fix them up,
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be friends with the chief
of police,
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be friends with the mayor,
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maybe run for mayor himself.
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I asked Rob several times
if he had anything to do
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with the fire,
if he set the fire,
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and he adamantly says
he did not.
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He said he had nothing
to do with it.
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So speaking with Torner,
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just asking him
basic questions--
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if he had insurance on it,
if he knew what happened,
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if he had any
problems with anybody.
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My officers started by looking
at every single house to see
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if there was any type
of surveillance camera on it.
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A couple blocks away,
they found a security camera.
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I noticed there was
this white Mitsubishi Eclipse
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with a big spoiler on the back
that stuck out.
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It was very distinctive,
and I'm not sure how
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to tie it in yet,
but I need to find the car.
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Knowing the sheer
damage and destruction
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of the fire being over
a million dollars in damage,
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that's when I decided
to bring ATF in.
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We got federal search warrants
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for all the properties
that Torner owned.
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We pull up that morning
to execute the search warrant
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in the Cottage Hotel.
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The Cottage Hotel
was a three-story,
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Pepto-Bismol color,
pink gargoyles out front.
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There was always weird
stuff going on there.
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It was a transient place.
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People
that lived at the Cottage,
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it seemed as though
they were afraid to talk,
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and we didn't know why.
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It was always,
"I don't know anything.
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I can't help you."
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During these interviews
with the tenants of the Cottage,
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we had an individual
come forward,
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and he said that I needed
to talk to a tenant there.
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He's been there
for about two, three years.
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He wasn't on our radar yet.
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He was just another person
that we were talking to.
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Oh, this is me in 2014
when I moved into the cottage,
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and I had absolutely no idea
what I had in store for me.
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About 11 o'clock at night,
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I got a phone call,
and it was a blocked number.
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I answered the call,
and it was Sergeant Bogart.
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And he told me, like,
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"Look, I'm parked
across the road.
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You look out your window,
you'll see that white car."
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He's like,
"Come down, get in my car,
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"and I'm gonna take
you somewhere.
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We're gonna go,
and I want you to talk to me."
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He assured me, like,
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"Nothing's gonna
happen to you.
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We're gonna protect you."
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And then finally I agreed.
I'm like...
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"There's a place
three miles away.
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"When it gets dark and I know
that everybody's gone
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or in bed,
I will meet you there."
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I got in the car with him.
I was terrified.
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Anybody can show you a badge.
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That doesn't mean
they're a cop.
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And then the doors locked,
and then he took off.
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So all of a sudden I'm in a car
with a big bald dude
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that has a gun,
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and he's driving
towards the woods.
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He took us this weird
back way into Weatherly.
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I never went that way before.
He didn't say a word to me.
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So that made me even
more scared.
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So I'm like sitting there
with my hand on the doorknob.
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I literally was gonna jump
out of the car.
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We got to the Weatherly
police station,
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and there was a room
full of federal agents.
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So I was shocked.
I was honestly shocked.
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Detective Bogart,
he tried to calm me down
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the best he could.
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He said, "You're cool,
you're cool, you're cool."
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We actually sit down
and interview him about
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what was going on.
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I admitted that I knew
about the fire
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and that I was there,
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and I tried
to convey to them
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that I was not
a willing participant.
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They didn't believe me.
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Like, they absolutely
did not believe me.
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Donnie Warren, I think,
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had a really tough decision
to make,
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"Am I gonna be on the good
guy team,
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or am I gonna be
on the bad guy team?"
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So I told him,
"I know what happened to Pepe."
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Donnie Warren
was a resident there
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at the Cottage Hotel.
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Donnie is an individual--
a very unique individual,
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to say the least.
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The stories that Donnie
was telling us,
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it was almost hard
to believe.
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One of the first things
he said,
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that he had the vampire disease,
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you know, which I didn't
know what it was.
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And we're like, "Oh, yeah,
that's interesting, Donnie."
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I got treated like
a UFO abductee.
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Nobody believed me.
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Fast forward when
you find that it's a thing.
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It's Porphyria, like,
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if he gets stressed out
and he goes in the sun,
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he starts to, like, break out.
You know, it's just weird.
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But when he told me he drove
his white Eclipse,
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and I'm like, "Does it have
a big wing on the back?"
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He's like, "Yes."
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And I'm like,
"His story makes sense.
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He was here
because we have the photo
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to show that he was here."
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And it seemed Donnie was
telling the truth.
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That he wanted to speak to us.
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He wanted to talk to whoever
was in charge.
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And I even told him, like,
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"Look, this-- this is actually
what happened."
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I had moved into the Cottage
around November
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a couple of years ago.
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Me and my girlfriend
had split up at the time.
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And so I was
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just basically desperate
for a place to stay.
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There was people in and out
of there constantly.
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This woman, Alba,
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was the one that dealt
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with the elderly people
they had there.
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There was a family living
down the hall from me
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as a couple
and a couple of children.
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Pepe, well, Jose Herran,
had moved into the Cottage
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around the beginning
of November.
253
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He was only there for, like,
maybe a week and a half,
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maybe two weeks
at the very most.
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I like Pepe.
I thought he was cool.
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Sharp dresser.
He's a ladies' man.
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A typical, you know,
Cuban machismo.
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Kind of like a fatherly
figure type guy.
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Pepe and Roberto Torner
knew each other.
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The first time I met Rob,
I noticed straight away
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that he seems like he's genuine.
He's a caring guy.
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He just wants to help you.
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He doesn't want anything
out of it.
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Rob knew that I was broke,
and I needed money, so,
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uh, he had work around.
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00:14:05,878 --> 00:14:08,614
At first,
I did a lot of painting,
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and then after about a week
of living at the Cottage,
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things started to take
a really sinister turn.
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Just out of the blue,
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00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:27,299
I was told, "Oh, I need you
to go over to Buck Mountain Road
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and paint over a floor."
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But you have to use this paint.
273
00:14:35,307 --> 00:14:38,644
And he gave me four gallons
of oil-based paint.
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Absolutely had to be
oil-based paint.
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And I had to coat as many
coats over the floor as I could.
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So I thought it was
a little weird.
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Like, why would you be painting
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over something
that carpet goes over?
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So it didn't make
any sense to me.
280
00:14:55,828 --> 00:14:57,897
And then when I saw
what was on the floor,
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I saw the volume of blood
that was on the floor.
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You try telling yourself
that that's not what it is,
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00:15:08,207 --> 00:15:10,242
like, "No, that can't be."
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00:15:10,342 --> 00:15:14,380
It was in that moment that
I realized that I saw too much,
285
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,481
I knew too much.
286
00:15:19,885 --> 00:15:21,153
There's absolutely no way
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00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:23,355
they were gonna
let me leave there alive.
288
00:15:29,361 --> 00:15:32,731
The next day,
there was a bag of weapons
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00:15:32,831 --> 00:15:34,500
that were put in my room.
290
00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,536
There was a 45, a 9mm,
291
00:15:37,636 --> 00:15:41,373
a 22, there was a shotgun
and an AK-47.
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00:15:41,473 --> 00:15:44,977
I was told to strip them down,
clean them,
293
00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:48,113
make sure that there was
nothing, no fingerprints,
294
00:15:48,213 --> 00:15:52,551
like, no DNA, no nothing,
using bleach and ammonia.
295
00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,322
The moment that
I touched the weapons, like,
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00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:59,525
I knew what they were used for.
297
00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,095
And... that was like the point
of no return.
298
00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:06,999
So it was really
a horrible feeling
299
00:16:07,099 --> 00:16:09,935
'cause that was, like, any shot
I had of people believing me
300
00:16:10,035 --> 00:16:12,104
was the evidence
that I was destroying,
301
00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:15,007
so it was really
a double-edged sword.
302
00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:19,778
I did my best to, like,
make it appear that I did it,
303
00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:22,815
but not erase all of it.
304
00:16:22,915 --> 00:16:24,550
And then I wrapped them
in bags,
305
00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,919
and then I put them back
in the duffel bag.
306
00:16:30,556 --> 00:16:32,891
One of the first questions
I had, um,
307
00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,128
of Donnie after he told us
his story was,
308
00:16:36,228 --> 00:16:38,897
"Why didn't you call 911?
Why didn't you report it?"
309
00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,333
And, according to Donnie,
he did.
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00:16:41,433 --> 00:16:45,137
He went to Chief Anthony Harris,
who at the time was
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00:16:45,237 --> 00:16:47,473
the Freeland Bureau
Chief of Police.
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00:17:11,930 --> 00:17:14,967
And I was like, "I don't know
what to do, what do I do?"
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00:17:19,805 --> 00:17:21,273
And he looked at me and said,
314
00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:23,542
"That can just as easily
happen to you."
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00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:27,046
I'm like, "Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
316
00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:28,680
What did I just do?"
317
00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:32,051
I went in the store.
I came out-- Harris was gone.
318
00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,019
I'm like, "All right,
maybe he won't say anything."
319
00:17:35,921 --> 00:17:37,790
I got home at The Cottage
320
00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:40,626
and I saw Chief Harris
walk out the front door.
321
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,361
As soon
as I walked through the door,
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00:17:42,461 --> 00:17:44,063
all the people that
were there shut up.
323
00:17:45,531 --> 00:17:46,632
Somebody hit me.
324
00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:51,670
And then,
like a pack of hyenas...
325
00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:56,008
I had a gun stuck under my chin
326
00:17:56,108 --> 00:17:58,510
and told that I was a snitch
and they were gonna kill me.
327
00:18:00,012 --> 00:18:01,947
And I eventually talked
my way out of it.
328
00:18:02,047 --> 00:18:04,316
I'm like, "Look,
he's misunderstood what I said.
329
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:05,918
"I don't know
what he's talking about.
330
00:18:06,018 --> 00:18:07,986
I didn't say that to him."
331
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,188
And eventually after getting
332
00:18:09,288 --> 00:18:11,990
your face beat in
and you saying the same thing,
333
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,427
I was allowed
to walk away from it.
334
00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:19,098
But any hope
that I had of getting away
335
00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:20,499
disintegrated instantly.
336
00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,204
I lived every day of my life
waiting to get killed.
337
00:18:25,304 --> 00:18:28,107
I tried to make myself
as invisible as possible
338
00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:30,075
because I knew
if I drew attention
339
00:18:30,175 --> 00:18:31,643
in any way that that was--
340
00:18:32,678 --> 00:18:33,712
potentially fatal.
341
00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,716
Once they trapped you,
that was it.
342
00:18:37,816 --> 00:18:41,086
There was no leaving.
There was just no way out.
343
00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:49,194
A witness came forward.
344
00:18:49,294 --> 00:18:50,229
That was Donnie Warren.
345
00:18:50,329 --> 00:18:52,097
He relayed
to the investigative team
346
00:18:52,197 --> 00:18:56,301
that Jose, "Pepe," Herran was,
in fact, a missing person
347
00:18:56,401 --> 00:18:59,738
and had been living
in Freeland in 2015.
348
00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:04,643
We know Pepe's family
last heard from him,
349
00:19:04,743 --> 00:19:08,814
Friday, November 13th, 2015.
350
00:19:08,914 --> 00:19:10,549
So between that report
351
00:19:11,617 --> 00:19:13,585
and the information
from Donnie Warren,
352
00:19:13,685 --> 00:19:15,754
we knew we were onto something.
353
00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:18,724
Donnie was able to get
into more details
354
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:21,193
about what it was like
for him and others
355
00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:22,895
to live at The Cottage.
356
00:19:24,196 --> 00:19:26,932
The Cottage was the center
of the universe, for sure.
357
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:31,069
The Cottage was a tool
358
00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,839
used by Roberto Torner
to control people.
359
00:19:37,342 --> 00:19:38,810
A lot of these
people were just, in fact,
360
00:19:38,911 --> 00:19:41,380
down on their luck,
or they had addictions,
361
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,849
or they just needed
a place to stay.
362
00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:50,989
He was very, very good
at finding people's weaknesses
363
00:19:51,089 --> 00:19:54,726
and then exploiting
that weakness to manipulate 'em.
364
00:19:54,826 --> 00:19:57,262
So people
are so scared of Roberto Torner
365
00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:59,565
and that's what he feeds on.
366
00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:02,034
There was always rumblings
when we're talking to people
367
00:20:02,134 --> 00:20:03,335
and saying that, you know,
368
00:20:03,435 --> 00:20:05,938
the police chief
and Torner are friends.
369
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:07,739
We see 'em together
all the time.
370
00:20:10,509 --> 00:20:12,311
Once you're
in the Torner family,
371
00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:14,146
it's, uh, sort of like
the mafia.
372
00:20:14,246 --> 00:20:15,581
You're gonna be one
of his minions.
373
00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:21,820
He told us flat out,
"Blood in, blood out.
374
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,122
It's us versus everybody else."
375
00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,891
There was rumors in town
376
00:20:25,991 --> 00:20:27,025
we were all Satanists,
377
00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:32,831
that we were sacrificing
animals, cult meetings,
378
00:20:32,931 --> 00:20:36,201
you know, Rob sat in a throne
and drank from a skull and,
379
00:20:36,301 --> 00:20:38,136
you know,
all of us were brainwashed.
380
00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:43,141
He was talked up
like Charles Manson.
381
00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:48,947
And then there was
Dave Alzugaray.
382
00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:53,552
He was Rob's
personal automaton.
383
00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:55,454
He did whatever Rob told him.
384
00:20:55,554 --> 00:20:57,155
If you saw Rob, Dave was there.
385
00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:01,627
I know Dave did have
some belief in--
386
00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:03,161
Santeria and voodoo.
387
00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:07,366
Dave had a bunch of,
like, ritualistic items
388
00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:10,969
that were related to black magic
and to Santeria.
389
00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,172
It was a ritual stone.
390
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:16,008
It had, like,
a face carved in it.
391
00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:26,385
One time Dave had did
something that made Rob mad,
392
00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:28,120
so in order to pay
penance for it,
393
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:30,289
he took that carved stone
and, I mean,
394
00:21:30,389 --> 00:21:33,191
literally bashed himself
in the face with it...
395
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,230
until blood would just
rang out of his face.
396
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:45,437
This is my blood oath
to you-- you're my brother.
397
00:21:45,537 --> 00:21:47,439
This is my life.
I'm giving you my life.
398
00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,479
It was surreal, I mean,
399
00:21:54,579 --> 00:21:58,383
saying-- it's surreal,
to watch somebody do that.
400
00:21:58,483 --> 00:22:00,519
I-- I-- I've never seen
anything like it.
401
00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:06,692
Roberto Torner
owned several properties
402
00:22:06,792 --> 00:22:09,995
in Carbon and Luzerne counties.
403
00:22:10,095 --> 00:22:12,264
And Donnie Warren
provided investigators
404
00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:14,032
with information about weapons
405
00:22:14,132 --> 00:22:16,568
and where they could find
the C-4 explosives.
406
00:22:21,273 --> 00:22:23,742
The Buck Mountain Road
property was a big property.
407
00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:24,943
It's-- it's vast.
408
00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:29,247
Torner used it to store
a lot of stuff.
409
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:32,651
If he had garbage,
or other stuff from the work
410
00:22:32,751 --> 00:22:34,653
that he was doing in town,
411
00:22:34,753 --> 00:22:36,621
he would take it to
the Buck Mountain Road property,
412
00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:37,789
dump it and burn it.
413
00:22:40,058 --> 00:22:42,928
We identified two burned piles
on the property.
414
00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:47,099
I think it was
like the second or third day
415
00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,768
just excavating
down in the burn pit.
416
00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,905
We started finding things.
417
00:22:54,005 --> 00:22:56,141
At first, it's kind of like
putting a puzzle together.
418
00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:58,377
You're like, "This doesn't
look like a burnt book
419
00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:01,313
or normal burnt material."
Like, "What is this?"
420
00:23:03,982 --> 00:23:05,317
That looks like bone fragments.
421
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,757
We did, in fact,
find fragments
422
00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:13,392
that a forensic anthropologist
423
00:23:13,492 --> 00:23:15,827
was able to identify
as human skull.
424
00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:21,433
Somebody is missing
this much skull fragment,
425
00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:24,035
cannot be alive--
so you can kind of deduce that,
426
00:23:24,136 --> 00:23:26,671
"Hey, we couldn't prove
that it was Pepe,
427
00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:29,040
but if it wasn't Pepe,
who was it?"
428
00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:38,083
Investigators also found
on Roberto Torner's property
429
00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:43,121
C-4 explosives that were stolen
from an army base in Kentucky.
430
00:23:43,221 --> 00:23:47,025
That led to an arrest
of David Alzugaray
431
00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:49,361
and Roberto Torner.
432
00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:56,902
While Torner was in prison,
433
00:23:57,002 --> 00:23:59,237
I went to speak to him
about the arson.
434
00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:22,060
Every avenue you go down,
435
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,196
there's something that just
makes you, like,
436
00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:25,897
you think
it can't get any worse,
437
00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:28,533
and then it does.
438
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:47,252
Roberto Torner told me he did
not want to talk on camera
439
00:24:47,352 --> 00:24:49,955
and asked me to turn
the camera off.
440
00:24:50,055 --> 00:24:52,624
He said he has some information
he wanted to volunteer out
441
00:24:52,724 --> 00:24:53,992
for us about Pepe.
442
00:24:57,262 --> 00:25:00,565
That's when he went into
telling me that he instructed
443
00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:05,871
Dave Alzugaray and Pepe to take
some construction debris down
444
00:25:05,971 --> 00:25:08,440
to the Buck Mountain Road
address and burn it
445
00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:09,841
like they normally always do.
446
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:17,549
But he was worried,
because he knew there was some
447
00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:18,984
animosity between them.
448
00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:20,552
But then he's got
a bad feeling.
449
00:25:21,786 --> 00:25:23,154
He needs to go check on him.
450
00:25:23,255 --> 00:25:24,456
Something's not sitting
right with him.
451
00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:36,535
Rob said he gets out and he
starts yelling right away,
452
00:25:36,635 --> 00:25:40,639
"Pepe, Pepe, Pepe, Pepe!"
453
00:25:40,739 --> 00:25:44,576
And Dave sticks his head out
from around this chicken coop
454
00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:46,311
and-- and is waving to Torner.
455
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:51,149
And Rob's like, "Where's Pepe?"
456
00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,385
And then he's like, "You believe
what that guy did?"
457
00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:55,587
He goes,
"Pepe was my friend."
458
00:25:55,687 --> 00:25:58,123
I had to look there
and watch my friend die.
459
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:06,932
I'm at
the State Police Barracks,
460
00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:10,235
and we get the call
from prison officials
461
00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:13,705
that Dave Alzugaray wants
to talk to law enforcement.
462
00:26:45,804 --> 00:26:49,908
And then David Alzugaray
confesses that he is the one
463
00:26:50,008 --> 00:26:51,042
that killed Pepe.
464
00:26:52,477 --> 00:26:55,413
He killed him at
the Buck Mountain Road property.
465
00:26:55,513 --> 00:26:58,683
And that Roberto Torner
has nothing to do
466
00:26:58,783 --> 00:26:59,884
with Pepe's homicide.
467
00:27:05,023 --> 00:27:06,925
Friday, November 13th.
468
00:27:07,025 --> 00:27:09,494
Dave Alzugaray and Pepe
469
00:27:09,594 --> 00:27:11,396
went to
the Buck Mountain Road address.
470
00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:15,033
They were arguing.
471
00:27:18,403 --> 00:27:20,505
Pepe and Torner were friends,
472
00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:24,509
and they were really clicking
and really getting along.
473
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:28,980
And there was a lot
of jealousy from Dave
474
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:33,251
to Pepe because he felt
like Pepe was kinda moving in
475
00:27:33,351 --> 00:27:35,453
on his position
or his friendship with Torner.
476
00:27:37,922 --> 00:27:40,759
So there was
just weird things boiling up
477
00:27:40,859 --> 00:27:43,762
between Alzugaray and Pepe.
478
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:51,369
Dave ultimately said
he shot Pepe.
479
00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:54,406
He dismembers him.
480
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:59,110
Puts him in five-gallon buckets.
481
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,615
Dave was chopping him up
like some type of butcher.
482
00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:08,486
Then Pepe was dumped
into the Lehigh River.
483
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,323
According to David Alzugaray,
484
00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:14,959
he was chopped
into so many tiny pieces,
485
00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:18,430
that we probably
wouldn't find him.
486
00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:22,100
In my experience,
487
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,705
and I've investigated homicides
for 19 and half years,
488
00:28:26,805 --> 00:28:30,375
it usually doesn't happen
where someone just confesses.
489
00:28:30,475 --> 00:28:33,244
His demeanor,
it's very matter of fact,
490
00:28:33,344 --> 00:28:34,646
very to the point.
491
00:28:34,746 --> 00:28:36,247
However, he almost--
492
00:28:36,347 --> 00:28:39,050
it felt
like he was trying too hard
493
00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:41,586
to tell us
that he wanted all the blame,
494
00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:43,088
that it was all him.
495
00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:13,318
We stopped the river.
496
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:16,121
We did an extensive search
of the Lehigh River.
497
00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:23,895
And nothing was found.
498
00:29:26,197 --> 00:29:27,298
So, at that point,
499
00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:29,934
we really suspected
it was all a lie,
500
00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:32,403
he was covering up
for somebody.
501
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,909
That's when we got
Alba Veras to flip.
502
00:29:39,477 --> 00:29:40,879
We put her
into witness protection.
503
00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:44,149
Alba was
a resident of The Cottage,
504
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,685
and she was helping out watching
505
00:29:48,686 --> 00:29:49,954
Roberto Torner's children.
506
00:30:09,374 --> 00:30:12,143
She got caught in this situation
the same way I did.
507
00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:15,647
She answered an ad
in the newspaper for a job,
508
00:30:17,182 --> 00:30:19,784
and then they talked her
into moving in there,
509
00:30:19,884 --> 00:30:22,153
and then they just pretty much
did the same thing to her
510
00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:23,454
that they did to me.
511
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,258
Alba wasn't
living in The Cottage anymore.
512
00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:29,794
She was in a different place
in her life.
513
00:30:29,894 --> 00:30:30,862
She escaped.
514
00:30:30,962 --> 00:30:33,031
She wasn't
under Torner's spell anymore.
515
00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:37,202
We asked her
what she knew about Pepe.
516
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:41,072
She was very forthright
in telling us
517
00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:42,540
secrets from The Cottage.
518
00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:48,613
Roberto Torner
had instructed her, during 2015,
519
00:30:48,713 --> 00:30:54,385
that he wanted her to clean
a bunch of cutting instruments,
520
00:30:54,485 --> 00:30:56,120
and he instructed her
where to hide 'em.
521
00:30:59,624 --> 00:31:03,294
She told us about the weapons
and all the cutting instruments
522
00:31:03,394 --> 00:31:04,662
inside The Cottage
that were still there.
523
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,100
So we immediately went
to The Cottage.
524
00:31:13,938 --> 00:31:15,039
We went up into the attic.
525
00:31:18,142 --> 00:31:20,445
Removed some insulation
in the furthest corner
526
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:22,080
of that attic, and voila!
527
00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:27,886
There's ammunition.
There's cutting instruments.
528
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,723
There's cleavers.
There's machetes.
529
00:31:31,823 --> 00:31:33,458
There's sharp objects.
530
00:31:34,959 --> 00:31:36,561
And Alba, she told us
531
00:31:36,661 --> 00:31:39,330
that she did have a romantic
relationship
532
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:41,532
with Roberto Torner.
533
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,868
Roberto Torner
started to question her
534
00:31:43,968 --> 00:31:44,969
about her loyalty.
535
00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:51,943
It was her, Roberto Torner,
Dave Alzugaray, and Pepe.
536
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,615
And they drove out to
the Buck Mountain Road property.
537
00:32:04,055 --> 00:32:05,490
OK, you know what to do.
538
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:07,458
Torner handed Alba a gun
539
00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:10,161
and told her,
"I want you to shoot Pepe."
540
00:32:12,864 --> 00:32:14,599
She took the gun in her hand.
541
00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:16,868
She held it up.
542
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:21,739
Alba had to make a choice.
What was she willing to do?
543
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:32,483
I consider
Roberto Torner a psychopath.
544
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:36,621
He's deceitful.
He's narcissistic.
545
00:32:36,721 --> 00:32:37,855
He's manipulative.
546
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:41,025
The worst of the worst.
547
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:44,095
He had these people,
these minions, under him,
548
00:32:44,195 --> 00:32:46,364
and he was in control.
549
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:49,267
It was like
this cult-type thing,
550
00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:52,470
where he just instructed
people to do things,
551
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:54,105
and they just did it for him.
552
00:32:58,142 --> 00:33:02,947
Alba, Alba Veras, was willing
to do almost anything
553
00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:05,116
to earn Roberto Torner's love.
554
00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:08,419
She thought
that if she killed Pepe,
555
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,490
for him, she would be somehow
proving herself to him.
556
00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:16,094
She put the gun up.
557
00:33:19,063 --> 00:33:21,232
But she just could not do it.
558
00:33:23,468 --> 00:33:24,635
And she broke down,
559
00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:28,740
started shaking uncontrollably,
started crying.
560
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,175
That's when he said,
"That was a test.
561
00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:33,411
I was testing your loyalty
to me."
562
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:36,314
When the rubber met the road,
she just could not do it.
563
00:33:36,414 --> 00:33:39,784
She's not a killer, and it was
at that time that Roberto Torner
564
00:33:39,884 --> 00:33:42,086
knew that she wasn't
going to be able to do it.
565
00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:43,388
So then the plan changed.
566
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:47,091
On the eve of Friday the 13th,
567
00:33:47,191 --> 00:33:49,394
Alba told us she heard
some noises
568
00:33:49,494 --> 00:33:51,462
coming from the basement
of The Cottage.
569
00:33:51,562 --> 00:33:53,131
She went down there
to investigate.
570
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:58,569
She found Roberto Torner
and David Alzugaray
571
00:33:58,669 --> 00:34:01,172
manipulating semi-ammunition.
572
00:34:01,272 --> 00:34:03,841
They actually created
dummy rounds.
573
00:34:05,109 --> 00:34:07,912
So that would render
them incapable of firing.
574
00:34:08,012 --> 00:34:10,314
They manipulated these rounds
575
00:34:10,415 --> 00:34:14,018
and they provided Jose Herran
with the gun that was loaded
576
00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:15,186
with these dummy rounds.
577
00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:19,590
On Friday, November 13th,
578
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,125
I remember Pepe.
579
00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:24,495
He had used my phone
to call his mother.
580
00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,465
Within half hour, 45 minutes
after talking to his mother,
581
00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,100
they took him out.
582
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,036
I tried to tell myself, like,
"No, they're not gonna do that."
583
00:34:32,136 --> 00:34:33,438
Like, "There's no way."
584
00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:36,741
But that was just, you know,
me lying to myself.
585
00:34:36,841 --> 00:34:38,209
When they arrived there,
586
00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:44,048
David Alzugaray pulls out
a 22 caliber revolver,
587
00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:45,883
starts shooting.
588
00:34:45,983 --> 00:34:47,585
Jose Herran tried shooting back,
589
00:34:48,686 --> 00:34:50,922
and because they were
dummy rounds,
590
00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:53,091
nothing happened.
591
00:34:53,191 --> 00:34:54,292
David was in pursuit,
592
00:34:54,392 --> 00:34:57,628
firing the gun repeatedly
at him.
593
00:34:57,728 --> 00:34:59,964
They shot him
at least five times.
594
00:35:04,535 --> 00:35:08,306
That's when Roberto Torner
walked up to Jose Herran,
595
00:35:08,406 --> 00:35:11,042
and he finished and by shooting
him in the back of the head.
596
00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:16,481
And, by David Alzugaray's
own confession,
597
00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:19,851
he was chopped up
into very, very tiny pieces,
598
00:35:19,951 --> 00:35:22,186
put into blue buckets.
599
00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:25,189
This was a carefully
staged-managed homicide
600
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:26,491
by Roberto Torner.
601
00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:34,332
A short while later,
Donnie observes the van return,
602
00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:35,666
but there's only two people
in it,
603
00:35:35,766 --> 00:35:37,535
and it's Roberto Torner
and David Alzugaray.
604
00:35:39,403 --> 00:35:41,672
And they were
laughing and joking,
605
00:35:41,772 --> 00:35:43,708
and they had his head
in a bucket
606
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:44,842
in the back of the van.
607
00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:47,645
That was horrifying.
608
00:36:13,271 --> 00:36:15,573
"Oh, I'm Leatherface.
Oh, I'm Leatherface."
609
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:16,874
Like joking.
610
00:36:16,974 --> 00:36:20,311
He peeled his face off, like,
literally peeled his face off,
611
00:36:20,411 --> 00:36:22,213
stuck it over his,
was joking about
612
00:36:22,313 --> 00:36:23,214
being Leatherface.
613
00:36:25,816 --> 00:36:28,886
Having seen that, it was like,
there's no way to erase it.
614
00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:30,621
There's no way to not think
about it.
615
00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:31,822
I still have nightmares
about it.
616
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,828
We believe that
Torner did this out of jealousy.
617
00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:39,830
See, Pepe's
is this good-looking guy,
618
00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:41,832
he's smart, he's a good talker.
619
00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:43,634
Girls started paying
more attention to him,
620
00:36:43,734 --> 00:36:46,604
thought he was better looking,
and Torner didn't like this.
621
00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,806
He just wanted someone
that was gonna follow him,
622
00:36:48,906 --> 00:36:50,975
someone under his control,
and that wasn't the case.
623
00:36:52,009 --> 00:36:54,178
Roberto Torner
was a very paranoid man.
624
00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:59,917
It was Friday, November 13th,
when-- when they killed Pepe.
625
00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:02,687
I don't know
if it was a way of, like,
626
00:37:02,787 --> 00:37:04,755
spreading fear about himself,
you know,
627
00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:06,724
a way of kind of making
himself scarier.
628
00:37:08,659 --> 00:37:10,962
Ultimately, Liza Robles,
629
00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,664
who was
Roberto Torner's girlfriend,
630
00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:15,866
mother of his children,
came forward
631
00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:18,002
and recollected that night.
632
00:37:18,102 --> 00:37:19,937
She woke up to go
to the bathroom,
633
00:37:20,037 --> 00:37:23,874
and both Roberto
and David were cooking.
634
00:37:23,975 --> 00:37:25,509
She believed it to be steak.
635
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:27,178
She asked for a piece
of the steak,
636
00:37:27,278 --> 00:37:29,714
and Roberto said, "No."
637
00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:31,682
He said, "That's Pepe."
638
00:37:31,782 --> 00:37:33,784
That's the allegation.
639
00:37:33,884 --> 00:37:36,988
I heard, what was left of Pepe?
640
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,090
And then they made it
into sandwiches.
641
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:41,092
They called all these people
to come over.
642
00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,960
Rob made a big deal out of it.
643
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:45,463
"Oh, this is a special recipe,
and we've got
644
00:37:45,563 --> 00:37:48,866
these Cuban sandwiches."
I knew what it was.
645
00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:52,470
It was so nauseating for me,
and it was disturbing.
646
00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:54,972
It was one of the most ghoulish
things I've ever witnessed
647
00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:57,942
in my entire life,
and not so much the act,
648
00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,511
but the attitude, the laughter.
649
00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:03,614
They were treating it
like it was a birthday party.
650
00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:05,716
I was so sickened by it,
I had to throw up.
651
00:38:08,486 --> 00:38:10,388
So, with all the evidence,
652
00:38:10,488 --> 00:38:13,291
we have the weapon
that killed Pepe.
653
00:38:14,558 --> 00:38:16,227
We had David Alzugaray
654
00:38:17,695 --> 00:38:19,897
as the person that shot him
with that weapon,
655
00:38:19,997 --> 00:38:22,500
that 22 caliber revolver.
656
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,736
We had the Glock,
which was a 9-millimeter,
657
00:38:25,836 --> 00:38:29,006
that matched
those manipulated rounds.
658
00:38:31,575 --> 00:38:33,311
It really validated
the whole case.
659
00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:40,051
So, in February of 2020,
we charge Dave Alzugaray
660
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:43,154
and Roberto Torner
for the murder of Jose Herran,
661
00:38:43,254 --> 00:38:44,488
who is Pepe.
662
00:38:44,588 --> 00:38:47,758
As reporters approached him,
they asked him about the case.
663
00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:49,360
I have no idea what that is.
664
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:51,062
You should ask
the Chief of Police, though.
665
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,364
But David already
confessed to murdering him.
666
00:38:53,464 --> 00:38:54,732
You got to ask
the Chief of Police.
667
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,868
He was referring
to Chief Anthony Harris
668
00:38:57,968 --> 00:38:59,770
of the Freeland Borough
Police Department.
669
00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:01,272
Witnesses were telling us also
670
00:39:01,372 --> 00:39:03,174
that there was
a friendly relationship
671
00:39:03,274 --> 00:39:05,910
between Roberto Torner
and Chief Harris.
672
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:10,047
We told we told Chief Harris
that we would be in contact
673
00:39:10,147 --> 00:39:12,116
with him again.
That was on a Friday.
674
00:39:13,851 --> 00:39:18,255
On Monday, Anthony Harris
took his own life by suicide.
675
00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:28,733
The trial was
a little over a week,
676
00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:32,103
but the jury deliberated for six
hours before they came back
677
00:39:32,203 --> 00:39:34,739
and rendered their verdict
of guilty on all counts,
678
00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:36,941
including first degree
murder and arson.
679
00:39:38,075 --> 00:39:40,544
He was convicted
on Halloween Day,
680
00:39:40,644 --> 00:39:42,646
which was, you know,
just symbolic.
681
00:39:48,018 --> 00:39:51,255
David Alzugaray
ended up accepting a plea deal
682
00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:54,458
to third degree murder
with a fixed sentence, which,
683
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:58,462
when calculated out in time,
is essentially a life sentence.
684
00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:02,400
Getting the verdict of guilty
on all counts was, to me,
685
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,203
most important to give justice
to Jose Herran's mother
686
00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:07,271
and his daughter.
687
00:40:08,272 --> 00:40:10,374
He was the world to them,
688
00:40:10,474 --> 00:40:13,077
always making sure
that they were OK.
689
00:40:13,177 --> 00:40:14,712
He was that guy in their family.
690
00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,451
Roberto Turner
and David Alzugaray,
691
00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:22,319
they're some
of the most horrible,
692
00:40:23,788 --> 00:40:25,289
diabolical monsters
693
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:27,658
I faced in my career.
694
00:40:29,794 --> 00:40:33,030
Getting him off the streets,
it was very important
695
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:35,933
because who knows what else
he was capable of,
696
00:40:36,033 --> 00:40:37,501
what else he would have done,
697
00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:39,570
or what he did
that we don't even know about.
698
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:41,038
And I believe wholeheartedly
699
00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:43,274
there's more dead people
out there.
700
00:40:43,374 --> 00:40:45,543
That we'll never know
unless other witnesses
701
00:40:45,643 --> 00:40:47,711
come forward.
702
00:40:47,812 --> 00:40:50,247
Alba feared
for her life all the time.
703
00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:53,317
To this day, when I talk to her,
she's still afraid
704
00:40:53,417 --> 00:40:57,054
of Roberto Torner, even though
he's incarcerated for life.
705
00:40:57,154 --> 00:40:58,322
Seeing him get arrested
706
00:40:58,422 --> 00:41:00,791
and then seeing him
get convicted,
707
00:41:00,891 --> 00:41:02,960
I hope that something good
708
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,696
will come out
of all that suffering.
709
00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:07,498
It's so unbelievable.
710
00:41:07,598 --> 00:41:10,334
You could never imagine
people actually
711
00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:12,770
doing these things outside
of a horror movie.
712
00:41:19,743 --> 00:41:21,178
Friday, February 13th
713
00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:22,613
started out like any other day.
714
00:41:22,713 --> 00:41:25,049
That was the day that my
daughter never came home.
715
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:26,517
The Encino Police Department
716
00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:28,285
started searching
for Amber DeBuff.
717
00:41:28,385 --> 00:41:30,221
Where's Amber?
Where's Amber?
718
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,256
Something's wrong.
I need to find my little girl.
719
00:41:32,356 --> 00:41:34,492
Is there a monster among us?
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