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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:06,120 Kurt Strubing is the founder of the black metal band. 2 00:00:08,910 --> 00:00:13,440 This is Strubing with his band NME. Very heavy, very aggressive rock and roll. 3 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:17,880 Kurt Strubing with his heavy metal band, which has just signed a contract with a German label. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,860 Kurt was in complete control of the ship. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,750 We were just passengers. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,510 This whole story is: “We are evil, see for yourself.” 7 00:00:25,050 --> 00:00:29,310 The lyrics scared you. I felt pure evil. 8 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:34,620 Images and some kind of message. 9 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:36,540 Just a sign of the times. 10 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:38,550 Here we are, a group, 11 00:00:38,690 --> 00:00:42,930 singing about death and destruction, but most metalheads are happy people. 12 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:47,220 I was eight when my father died, 13 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:50,940 As a child, I lived in ignorance. I was not allowed to watch the news or read newspapers. 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,070 But I remember, many, many years later, I googled my name. 15 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:59,550 I saw all these headlines and was like, "Huh? Click." 16 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:04,140 Kurt Strubing, 39, made headlines again almost twenty years ago. 17 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,310 Kurt Strubing served time for the murder of his mother in 1986. 18 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:10,300 At first you think: “No, it’s definitely not him.” 19 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:13,800 Strubing is survived by his wife and eight-year-old son. 20 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:15,270 But no, it's the same one. 21 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:19,530 Whatever ruled his soul that day, 22 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:22,410 temporary insanity, drugs, demonic possession – 23 00:01:23,310 --> 00:01:26,910 The one I was looking at, whose eyes I was looking into, was no longer the same person. 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,410 This is not the Kurt I knew. 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,110 And not the Kurt I fell in love with. 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,460 You know, with all his hobbies, he really could have touched something supernatural. 27 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:43,170 If you dance with the darkness, you will get burned. 28 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:09,300 NME - from hell. 29 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,770 We, no matter how young we are, take on great responsibility. 30 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:16,320 Brian Llapitan, Kurt Strubing, 31 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Scott Tinsley and Steve Mayer declared war on the world. 32 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:27,810 We at NMI are determined to get our message across. 33 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:31,170 If doubt is evil, then we are evil. 34 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:37,020 Don't be afraid. 35 00:02:37,170 --> 00:02:39,450 For life to exist, there must be death. 36 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Those who do not believe must die. 37 00:02:45,180 --> 00:02:46,020 NMI. 38 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:50,010 What we were trying to say was: this is the embodiment of hatred. 39 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:52,380 That was our business back then, yes. 40 00:02:54,690 --> 00:03:00,720 In 1985, the Seattle metal scene was at its peak. 41 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Groups supported groups, people supported groups. 42 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,330 I worked at Gorilla Gardens. 43 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:09,120 We had two or three metal shows a week. 44 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:11,400 Soundgarden played there. 45 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:14,550 "Malfunction", which later became "Mother Love Bone". 46 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:20,760 It seemed like the Seattle scene was the place to go at that moment. 47 00:03:20,870 --> 00:03:24,630 There were a lot of bands playing on Fridays and Saturdays. We all hung out there: 48 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:26,460 "Melvins" or "Nirvana". 49 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:35,340 Punks, metalheads - everyone was there and hanging out together. 50 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:37,860 It seemed like there was a group on every block. 51 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:40,890 We weren't the fastest, we weren't the most coordinated, 52 00:03:41,070 --> 00:03:42,930 but the group's philosophy was chaos. 53 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:47,400 We're going to go on stage and tear this place apart, smash the hell out of it. 54 00:03:58,050 --> 00:03:58,710 We were different. 55 00:03:59,070 --> 00:04:01,830 We decided that if we were causing a reaction, then we were doing everything right. 56 00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:09,810 Some people called us Seattle's first black metal band, 57 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,320 And in a way, it was a cool nickname. If it's true, that's awesome. 58 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:15,390 We just did it the best we could. 59 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:25,590 NMI was really scary, and I thought it was pretty damn cool. 60 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,650 Music that touches you and scares you. 61 00:04:30,030 --> 00:04:32,790 And Kurt Strubing, going on stage, 62 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:38,670 I took the guitar and deliberately made it so that blood flowed from my mouth as much as possible, 63 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,030 to make blood flow while he plays. 64 00:04:42,330 --> 00:04:44,250 It felt like you were looking at a monster. 65 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:51,240 The image was truly creepy. 66 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:53,970 Basically, I'm not sure if I want to love it, but I do. 67 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:55,050 And I was... 68 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:56,970 I was a fan within the group. 69 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:59,340 So it was kind of the best of both worlds. 70 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:02,280 Kurt was definitely the leader of the N&M. 71 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,820 The first time I met him was at work. 72 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,700 I was a dishwasher, Kurt was a prep cook. 73 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:14,550 He joked as if he were some kind of executioner. 74 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:17,280 "Now your time has come, melon." 75 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,620 Funny kitchen jokes. 76 00:05:20,430 --> 00:05:23,490 Kurt taught me that you can't wait for life to come to you— 77 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 I need to go and grab her by the ass. I need to take action. 78 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,830 He spent a lot of time on cool flyers, 79 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,440 to attract attention to the concerts. 80 00:05:35,370 --> 00:05:37,830 There was a spirit of anarchy in them. 81 00:05:38,130 --> 00:05:39,720 A pair of pentagrams on top. 82 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:46,740 These images came from the dark corners of his brain. 83 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:49,170 He was definitely pushing the boundaries. 84 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:51,210 The first time I met Kurt, 85 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,840 when I was twelve. He moved into the house two doors down from mine. 86 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:57,840 He was different from many of the kids I knew back then. 87 00:05:58,230 --> 00:06:01,840 He was always drawing or writing something. 88 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:04,860 It was dark and strange, 89 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:08,700 perhaps a reflection of where his thoughts were. 90 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,040 Kurt's father was an alcoholic. 91 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,100 He came home from work, 92 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:22,590 I would sit at the kitchen table with a bottle of Black Velvet and just drink. 93 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:28,740 Kurt's father was abusive. 94 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:32,880 Sometimes these tirades lasted for ten minutes, 95 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:34,440 and so on every day. 96 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,980 It must have been exhausting for him. 97 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:45,660 He was an adopted child, 98 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:47,760 the only one in the family. 99 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,840 And the mother compensated for the way the father treated him. 100 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:54,360 One hundred percent of her attention was on him. 101 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,950 They were very close. 102 00:06:57,090 --> 00:07:00,240 That's how we got a guitar. That's how we got a bass. She bought them for us. 103 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,870 She let us rehearse until seven or eight in the evening, 104 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:05,880 which would be prohibited in my home. 105 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,600 I remember we played "Holy Diver" by Dio, 106 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,790 and his mother danced in the kitchen to this song. 107 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,150 And I realized: it means we play quite similarly, 108 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:20,520 so that someone understands what we are doing. 109 00:07:24,140 --> 00:07:26,430 There was an assembly on the last day of school, 110 00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:28,620 and we were allowed to play on it. 111 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,090 We started with a cover of Motley Crue's "Shout at the Devil." 112 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,470 Ten seconds later, people simply poured out of the gym. 113 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:40,400 We looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders: “Oh my God, 114 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:41,820 "there is no one left." 115 00:07:41,970 --> 00:07:45,390 And at that moment I thought: “Dude, nobody likes us, we are everyone’s enemy.” 116 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:48,990 From that day on we decided to change everything. 117 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:53,430 We liked Venom with their black metal and excellent lyrics. 118 00:08:01,830 --> 00:08:06,120 When you get into music like that in 1985, 119 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:12,100 It seemed as if I had to speak like a Satanist and provoke people to think. 120 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,960 It seemed like the bands were competing to see who could write the meanest lyrics. 121 00:08:32,130 --> 00:08:34,580 We hung out at Kurt's and listened to a lot of albums. 122 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:37,920 He was the one who got me hooked on more extreme music. 123 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:46,170 Judas Priest, Motorhead - I didn't know there was anything harder. 124 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:47,970 I absorbed it. 125 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:52,320 We scraped together some money, 126 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:54,030 recorded a demo. 127 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:58,110 Kurt sent tapes everywhere: to Germany, Sweden. 128 00:08:58,330 --> 00:09:00,850 I don't know if we've achieved that scale yet, 129 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:02,700 If only he hadn't promoted us so much. 130 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:06,720 Kurt wrote a long text about the emergence of a new messiah. 131 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:11,620 I remember when this was published, I read it and thought, “This is not bad. 132 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:14,070 This is an advertisement for our group." It seemed to me, 133 00:09:14,460 --> 00:09:17,610 This is an appropriate expression of our attitude. 134 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:24,330 You know, I thought it was a joke, but then I realized he took it seriously. 135 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,410 He claimed to be the new messiah, 136 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:33,660 and I'm like, "Oh my god, this is so cool! This is an easy sell! Yeah, this is our messiah!" 137 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:37,760 Dutch East India wasn't a metal company at all, 138 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:42,390 but I saw Charles Manson in their catalog and thought: 139 00:09:42,810 --> 00:09:48,270 "I'll give it a try." It was that simple. I pitched to NMI for about six weeks and got the deal! 140 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:54,870 Okay, we're sorry we have to take drugs to cool down, but we're good guys. 141 00:09:57,150 --> 00:10:02,520 We decided that since we were going to record an album, we wanted the listener to have the feeling of a live concert. 142 00:10:02,730 --> 00:10:06,810 So they just hung a microphone from the ceiling and added a bunch of reverb. 143 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:11,380 And then we were like, “Okay, hopefully it will work the first time.” 144 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:25,000 At first I thought, "This sounds like total crap." 145 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:28,280 But I said to myself, “It will sound okay.” 146 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:52,580 The best part of the beauty of the ugliness of that album is the management of that feedback and that noise in such a way, 147 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,180 as most people didn't play back then. 148 00:10:56,590 --> 00:10:59,920 Kurt's lyrics brought dark sides of reality to light. 149 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:01,810 They touched darker souls. 150 00:11:02,290 --> 00:11:03,730 What happens in war, 151 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:05,830 what people do to each other. 152 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:09,160 Here it is. It's all here. We're just going to talk about it. 153 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:19,390 The song that particularly bothered me was "Unspeakable." 154 00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:23,050 The third verse has some really creepy lyrics: 155 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:31,450 "Hiding in the shadows, creeping up on you. Voices from hell tell me what to do. 156 00:11:31,570 --> 00:11:33,940 I will split your skull open to watch the blood flow. 157 00:11:34,450 --> 00:11:36,790 Everything is blackened by death, there is no more sun. 158 00:11:37,210 --> 00:11:38,530 "The Unspoken." 159 00:11:42,220 --> 00:11:43,750 I thought, "Damn it. 160 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:44,830 Oh! 161 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,270 "This is tough." 162 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:52,870 I think he must have been afraid of something in his life too. Life is unpredictable. 163 00:11:52,990 --> 00:11:58,330 Even if your lyrics flirt with dark themes, you want to give them meaning. 164 00:11:58,870 --> 00:12:00,850 I think it was his way of coping. 165 00:12:05,530 --> 00:12:08,350 When the album "Anholy Death" was released, 166 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:14,630 We started getting great reviews in independent, statist metal magazines. 167 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:15,790 It was wonderful. 168 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,080 And they were very colorful, very over-the-top. 169 00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:24,520 Someone said my vocals sound like a bear gargling with razor blades. 170 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:29,350 We started getting reviews in Krim and other giant publications, 171 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,680 which shouldn't have been covered at all. 172 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,470 There was a review from "Krim", 173 00:12:35,740 --> 00:12:39,110 which blew our minds. Because they had a wide reach. 174 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:43,360 It was all very large-scale and... 175 00:12:43,690 --> 00:12:48,220 quite exciting because we thought, "Hey, here it is, the big start." 176 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,460 We came to our mailbox, and there was a letter: “Go to the postmaster.” 177 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:59,830 And he took out a bag of fan mail and threw it on the counter. 178 00:13:02,050 --> 00:13:06,490 There were letters from Germany, from the Czech Republic, Yugoslavia. 179 00:13:07,130 --> 00:13:09,730 Many girls sent naked photos. 180 00:13:10,990 --> 00:13:15,400 There was also a lot of occult stuff like “yes, I worship the devil” and so on. 181 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:20,830 And the guys and I decided: “Let's take this to the next level. 182 00:13:20,950 --> 00:13:25,570 We have a fan base in Eastern Europe – Poland, Ukraine, Belarus.” 183 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Yes, we felt that something was happening. 184 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:33,250 We were targeting Europe. Perhaps South America. 185 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,480 We were going to go to Europe and play at the venues where all the European bands were playing. 186 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,050 And I remember thinking, because I was in high school at the time: 187 00:13:41,260 --> 00:13:43,840 "As soon as school ends, I'm leaving." 188 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:50,440 I felt like I was on the brink of being able to tour with the band. 189 00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:56,080 We were… I thought we were very close to it, and everything seemed to be going in that direction. 190 00:14:00,940 --> 00:14:02,050 According to police, 191 00:14:02,290 --> 00:14:05,770 Someone in the apartment dialed nine-one-one and hung up. 192 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:08,410 Dispatchers traced the call. 193 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,870 When police arrived, they found the suspect naked and covered in blood. 194 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:16,300 Steve called me and said, "I have bad news." 195 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:18,940 I'm like, "What? The concert was cancelled?" 196 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,280 And he said, "No. Kurt killed his mom." 197 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Spring break April eighty-six. 198 00:14:28,390 --> 00:14:30,760 NME played at a house party. 199 00:14:31,390 --> 00:14:38,440 One fan had a suburban house with a bunch of reptiles. 200 00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:43,690 There we could hang out and, well, relax completely. 201 00:14:44,740 --> 00:14:48,160 It was the eighties, there were a lot of drugs around. 202 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,250 People told me that maybe he took some kind of synthetic fucking drug, 203 00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:57,160 I think it's homemade. 204 00:14:58,030 --> 00:15:01,540 As the party was drawing to a close, 205 00:15:01,780 --> 00:15:03,880 Kurt was offered a ride home, 206 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,020 and someone was holding a baseball bat. 207 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,110 He then grabbed this bat, 208 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:14,050 picked her up and hit him pretty hard. 209 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,060 It wasn't in Kurt's character. 210 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:17,710 There was some kind of paranoia. 211 00:15:18,970 --> 00:15:22,750 The next day I wasn't there, but I heard about some weird shit. 212 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:28,180 On Sunday, Kurt and I rented a carpet shampooer. 213 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 When you have band rehearsals at a party house, 214 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,740 everything could get out of control. We wanted to remove, 215 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:36,670 take out the equipment and clean the carpet for the owner. 216 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:41,940 But all this time I look at Kurt and see this sparkle in his eyes. 217 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:46,180 I say, "Dude, what's wrong with you? What's going on?" And he says, "Nothing. 218 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:52,060 I'm tired. Or I don't know. Or I need to think." 219 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,420 When you buy a carpet cleaning machine, it comes with a bottle of the recommended product. Well, it was. 220 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:02,200 And suddenly, for some reason, he took a sip of this remedy. 221 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:08,530 I'm like, "Oh my God, dude!" 222 00:16:09,070 --> 00:16:11,920 Scott called me and said, 223 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:14,230 that Kurt is behaving abnormally. 224 00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:17,380 I asked Kurt why he drank the carpet cleaner. 225 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,400 And he said, "I thought it said robot cleaning." 226 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:26,350 We decided that it might be better to take him home. 227 00:16:26,530 --> 00:16:28,510 He lived with his mother in an apartment. 228 00:16:28,990 --> 00:16:32,200 And Scott drove him home that night. 229 00:16:33,730 --> 00:16:38,810 I thought, "We'll just get a good night's sleep and talk about it tomorrow." 230 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:41,800 Because I've never seen anything like it. But I decided, 231 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,710 We've simply gone too far. We need to take a break. 232 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:50,290 On Monday morning I was on my way to work. I was on the bus, 233 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,740 I had a Walkman player with a radio. 234 00:16:54,070 --> 00:17:00,550 I heard the news that there was a murder in the King County area. 235 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,470 And... I get it. 236 00:17:02,650 --> 00:17:07,630 The woman, 53-year-old Darley Strubing, was found dead in the apartment. 237 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:09,820 The autopsy is complete and shows 238 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:15,310 that she died from chopped wounds to the head and stab wounds to the chest. 239 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:19,330 There was no Internet, so we had to wait until eleven for news. 240 00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:24,760 My parents and I were sitting and watching, and when I saw the footage of him, his eyes were different. 241 00:17:25,150 --> 00:17:28,000 It was as if his soul had disappeared behind them. 242 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,220 And then the details emerged. 243 00:17:30,670 --> 00:17:32,890 They hit like a sledgehammer. 244 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:39,160 Something happened in that apartment on Sunday evening. 245 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:42,850 I think whatever happens to Kurt— 246 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:50,290 his paranoia, his delirium, what he saw, felt, believed in, 247 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,250 he decided that he was some kind of dark entity. 248 00:17:54,580 --> 00:17:56,200 Something inside him snapped. 249 00:17:59,140 --> 00:18:02,140 Kurt appears to have killed her with an axe, 250 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:04,360 and also with scissors. 251 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:10,960 He called the police, went outside, naked. 252 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,490 And they arrested him. 253 00:18:13,150 --> 00:18:15,940 I'm like, "What?! No way!" 254 00:18:16,330 --> 00:18:19,030 That's the only thing I could think of: "Fuck it!" 255 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:21,970 It was devastating, heartbreaking, 256 00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:26,040 It was incredible. It was more incredible than anything I've ever experienced. 257 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:31,060 The most shocking, most mind-blowing event of my life, multiplied by a thousand. 258 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:33,970 It was... yeah, fucked up. Total fucked up. 259 00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:39,970 Darlie had no family, just her and Kurt, 260 00:18:40,090 --> 00:18:41,260 That's all. 261 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:46,300 Her colleagues organized a small service at the local church. 262 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,340 There was a lot of anger directed towards Kurt. 263 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,920 Many people felt disgusted, 264 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,520 and they talked about it openly. 265 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:07,930 They said, "But you were in a band with him." Yeah, but I didn't know how to feel either. 266 00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:12,290 I loved his mother and often called her "mom". 267 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,910 I remember her dancing in the kitchen while we played songs. 268 00:19:16,330 --> 00:19:18,070 Losing that in itself was... 269 00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:20,080 It was terribly painful for me. 270 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:24,940 People were like, 'What's wrong with you for hanging out with this guy?' 271 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:26,530 Wine by association. 272 00:19:27,550 --> 00:19:33,130 Kurt was sent to Western State Hospital, where the mentally ill are taken. 273 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:35,290 And as soon as they could, 274 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:39,340 We went to Western State to see him. 275 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:46,780 I think we were very naive and didn't understand, 276 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:49,990 what we are about to... see. 277 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:57,270 We probably didn't fully understand the gravity of what was happening. 278 00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:06,790 Being in this huge psychiatric center was reminiscent of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. 279 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,970 You look at your friend through six inches of plexiglass. 280 00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:15,760 It was very difficult. 281 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,300 I could feel his complete emptiness. It was as if I could sense it. 282 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:25,330 And I have never experienced anything like this in my life. 283 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:28,330 As far as I understand, 284 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,470 before he was sent to Western State for a psychiatric evaluation, 285 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:37,150 He smashed his head on the cell floor. 286 00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:42,970 He jumped headfirst from the top bunk in prison. 287 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,820 That's when he was transferred to Western State. 288 00:20:46,510 --> 00:20:49,840 Realizing what happened, 289 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:54,310 despite the fact that he always spoke about his mother with great love... 290 00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:57,640 He probably regretted not killing himself at that very moment. 291 00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:05,020 After what happened, every day was like denial. 292 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:07,780 "Is this real? Did this really happen?" 293 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:14,350 I didn't want anything to do with black metal or Satanism. It didn't particularly scare me... 294 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,780 until Kurt did what he did. 295 00:21:17,650 --> 00:21:20,050 The song "Unspeakable" has taken on a new meaning. 296 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:24,490 When you start hearing the lines, they sound eerily familiar. 297 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:29,290 There's a line in there that says, "I'll split your skull open just to watch the blood flow." 298 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:31,960 That's exactly what happened. 299 00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:35,050 He killed his mother with an axe and scissors. 300 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:37,810 You can't help but wonder if this is connected. 301 00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:46,660 I began to understand that everything he wrote, said, or did, he took seriously. 302 00:21:46,660 --> 00:21:52,180 I was very, very, very deeply shocked by everything I read. 303 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:55,990 When he spoke to the operator at nine-one-one, 304 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:58,570 He mentioned that it was "the work of God." 305 00:21:59,470 --> 00:22:03,880 It scared the shit out of me because it brought me back to what he was saying about, 306 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,130 that he is the new messiah. 307 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:10,750 Psychiatric reports said, 308 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:12,910 that he considered his mother a robot. 309 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:17,620 He said he wanted to experiment to see if robots could be replaced. 310 00:22:21,550 --> 00:22:24,520 The truth is, it wasn't Satanism. 311 00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:28,510 This was the act of a mentally ill person. 312 00:22:29,650 --> 00:22:31,810 I felt a little guilty. 313 00:22:38,050 --> 00:22:40,810 We brought his mother to this situation, 314 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,160 they took him to her. 315 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:45,460 And he was unwell, he was clearly unwell. 316 00:22:46,810 --> 00:22:47,440 But we don't... 317 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,980 I didn't know. 318 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,770 I was young and had no experience in such things. 319 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:59,770 You see, we didn't really talk about such topics in the eighties. 320 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,990 When you are twenty years old and you are not a professional in this field, 321 00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:05,620 I just thought it was weird. 322 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:12,010 Psychiatrists and doctors agreed that he had suffered a psychotic break. 323 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:15,370 That he was not in control of himself at that moment. 324 00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:16,660 He snapped. 325 00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:19,270 We don't know why he snapped, 326 00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:21,730 and he might break down again. 327 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Kurt was found guilty of second-degree murder. 328 00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:28,150 He admitted his guilt. 329 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:29,530 He was given eight years. 330 00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:33,010 And he spent these eight years not in a hospital, but in prison. 331 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:38,320 It is one of the most brutal murders in King County history. 332 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:42,370 I thought he should have gotten life, whether he was insane or not. 333 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,210 I immediately stopped working with the group. 334 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:49,240 I know many people didn't understand. 335 00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:54,640 Many people thought that I should distance myself from all of this completely. 336 00:23:58,420 --> 00:24:01,330 I worked with my father, 337 00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:06,220 I was digging some hole, leaned on the shovel and started crying. 338 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:10,630 And my father said to me: “You still haven’t recovered from this?” 339 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,600 He did everything he could to support me. 340 00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:18,190 To toughen me up. 341 00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:23,590 But, with all due respect to my father, what I needed more that day was his hug. 342 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:28,990 I knew I would never get answers. 343 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,240 But I knew that I loved my friend and I said to myself: I will support him. 344 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,970 I don't really believe in people, but I believed in him. 345 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,180 Maybe I was a fool, but that's how I felt. 346 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,750 He called me. 347 00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:51,040 It was a collect call. And he sounded more like himself in conversation. 348 00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:54,370 He was sorry, he was upset. 349 00:24:55,030 --> 00:24:57,880 I urged him to seek help. 350 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:04,990 I'm not a doctor, but I think about his childhood and how his foundation may have cracked. 351 00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:10,810 We all learned that Kurt lost his mind as a teenager. 352 00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:14,530 That's probably why we understood it and forgave it. 353 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:18,710 I don't think I could come to terms with what happened. 354 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:23,410 But he could come to terms with the very idea of ​​loyalty - staying close to the one who screwed up. 355 00:25:24,170 --> 00:25:25,450 But it was beyond his control. 356 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,040 He clearly had a very traumatized soul, which we didn't know at the time. 357 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:32,650 He wrote many letters. 358 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:36,640 Most often it’s about how he spends his time usefully. 359 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:42,730 He went through his studies, got a diploma in graphic arts, wrote songs, of course. 360 00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:46,570 I used some NME songs and changed some things in them. 361 00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:48,700 He rewrote "Unspeakable." 362 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,400 It was precisely this passage that tormented him. 363 00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:54,130 "Maybe I've gone too far." 364 00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:58,030 Most of the letters I received from him were about 365 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,250 that when he comes out, we will continue, 366 00:26:00,540 --> 00:26:02,680 If I'm with him, go ahead. 367 00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:04,690 He was still encouraging us. 368 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,460 He had court orders to meet with a consultant. 369 00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:19,970 But every time we discussed it, I was left with the impression, 370 00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:23,080 that he did not receive any benefit from it. 371 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:24,760 I didn't like it. 372 00:26:25,390 --> 00:26:28,930 Thought he still had to work on himself. 373 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,680 And so... I kept him at a little distance. 374 00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:39,280 You think you know everything about a person if you hang out in a group. 375 00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:42,040 But then he kills the one who is closest. 376 00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:44,500 The more I thought about it, 377 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:48,170 the more it came to me: what if I make him angry? 378 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:50,440 Will he try to kill me when he gets out? 379 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,000 He is a murderer. 380 00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:03,490 April 12, 1994. Kurt was released. 381 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,170 We went after him. 382 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,390 He didn't really like hugging, but I was the opposite in this regard. 383 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:16,740 I love hugging people. So I hugged him. 384 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,800 I bought fast food - after eight years in prison, the first thing you want is 385 00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:24,010 it's to eat normal food. 386 00:27:25,420 --> 00:27:27,370 The plan was this: as soon as he got out, 387 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,590 We'll start jamming like NME again. 388 00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:34,450 Like in the Blues Brothers. Like, "Hey, we're getting the band back together." 389 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:39,070 Yes, the metal world has changed a lot, 390 00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:42,430 but we hoped that people would be interested in what we were doing. 391 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,650 I just wanted those eight years to be erased and we could go back to how it was. 392 00:27:48,850 --> 00:27:53,960 His guitar playing has improved so much, it's just amazing. 393 00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:56,440 The band is back together, 394 00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:00,430 and I called my sister and asked, "Hey, do you want to go?" 395 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:01,620 Band rehearsal. 396 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:03,010 This is a band rehearsal. 397 00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:04,900 It was business as usual for us, 398 00:28:05,020 --> 00:28:08,840 especially when we first started dating, we always went to rehearsals. 399 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:10,920 Well, he does what he loves. 400 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,250 Yes. 401 00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:13,750 The guys are together again now. 402 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:25,210 It was a typical house party - lots of beer and a loud band playing in the garage. 403 00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:29,740 I met a lot of people that night, but I met Kurt. 404 00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:31,120 He was very handsome. 405 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:36,520 A bit of a rough guy, but that's the kind of guy I liked. 406 00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:42,700 I knew right away that Kurt and I would probably be together forever. 407 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:44,860 I just knew. 408 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:46,000 Do you understand? 409 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:50,980 He was a joker, very, very funny, very cheerful. 410 00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:54,370 I knew he was released from prison. 411 00:28:54,550 --> 00:28:57,970 But I honestly couldn't believe it was him. 412 00:29:02,770 --> 00:29:06,100 Have you ever been afraid because of his past? 413 00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:07,480 Never. 414 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:08,980 Never. 415 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,540 The thought didn't even occur to me. 416 00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:13,060 I trusted him from the very beginning. 417 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,960 The first time Kurt and I talked about the past, 418 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,320 It was evening and we were taking a bath together. 419 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:27,490 I just wanted him to explain it to me, 420 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:28,750 what happened. 421 00:29:29,170 --> 00:29:32,200 I just wanted to hear it from his lips. 422 00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:37,420 For me, this was a condition to move forward. 423 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,060 Of course, this was not an easy thing to discuss. 424 00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:49,120 He compared his feelings to the Pink Floyd song "Comfortably Numb". 425 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,910 He didn't remember anything. 426 00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:58,150 He only knew what people told him or what he read. 427 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000 It was hard to listen to. 428 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:02,980 A very difficult conversation. 429 00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:09,940 He seemed to feel better when he was finally able to talk a little. 430 00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:13,390 Our life together was not about the past. 431 00:30:13,870 --> 00:30:19,690 Our life together was about the present and how happy we were and where our future was going. 432 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,110 Angie and Kurt had been dating for quite a while. And my mom called me and basically, 433 00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:30,790 said, "I know they're in love. I know the relationship is growing, 434 00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:35,740 and I'm afraid that the same thing will happen to Angie that happened to Kurt's mother." 435 00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:43,690 And I replied, “Well, you have two options: either join and support them, or lose your daughter.” 436 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:53,740 My mother came to terms with the fact that we would be together and recognized the Kurt I knew. She fell in love with him. 437 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:55,960 She became his new mother. 438 00:30:56,830 --> 00:30:59,830 Kurt has a family again. 439 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:02,710 This shows how much they trusted and loved him. 440 00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:06,010 It’s hard to imagine that many would accept this calmly. 441 00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:07,900 It must have been hard, 442 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:10,680 but he proved that he had changed. 443 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,110 He tried to be the best version of himself. 444 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:18,970 You can't undo the past, but you can try your best. I think that's what he did. 445 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:21,150 Look how proud Kurt is here. 446 00:31:21,150 --> 00:31:22,740 And he's still in hospital uniform. 447 00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:23,680 To him. 448 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:25,390 Proud dad. 449 00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:29,980 Holding her baby, perhaps for the first time in her life. 450 00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:36,400 Jared was born a couple of weeks premature, on Valentine's Day. 451 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,280 The irony is that it's Kurt's mom's birthday. 452 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,340 We were both nervous. Kurt much more so than I was. 453 00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:47,890 He had a lot of worries about fatherhood. 454 00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:50,260 But he simply got into the role. 455 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:52,930 What kind of father was Kurt? 456 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,400 Wonderful. 457 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,970 He always put the child first. 458 00:31:58,790 --> 00:31:59,590 Did everything. 459 00:32:00,070 --> 00:32:02,860 "Do you want me to change your diaper? Do you want me to stay up all night?" 460 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,620 What are your first memories of your father? 461 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Music. 462 00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:08,860 Always played. 463 00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,380 Either he is there by himself or just in the house. 464 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:13,150 Music constantly. 465 00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:15,370 I remember we always played. 466 00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:17,800 He took the guitar, and I hit the drums nearby. 467 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:20,500 This was what you wait for all day. 468 00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:27,100 At school, you tap your pencils on your desk, and then he takes you and says, “Well, let’s go and light it up.” 469 00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:31,330 Kurt did not repeat his father's mistakes. 470 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,640 He was a good father. 471 00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:36,220 Very involved in his son's life. 472 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,630 I got him a job at my place. I told the manager the whole situation 100% honestly. 473 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,140 She said, "Well, everyone needs a second chance." 474 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,710 Kurt proved to everyone every day that we were a normal family. 475 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,230 And I tried very hard. 476 00:32:56,350 --> 00:33:01,930 Two cars in the driveway. We both work nine to five. Our own house. 477 00:33:02,170 --> 00:33:03,550 Ideal life. 478 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:06,700 Kurt got to the point where 479 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:11,260 that his life was like everyone else's. Household chores. 480 00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:18,160 Child care. Work care. And, of course, he never wanted to talk much about the past. 481 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,750 To achieve all this and keep it in your head all the time... 482 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:27,040 He always said, "I don't want to think about it more than I have to." 483 00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:30,580 He was always trying to make life fun. 484 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:32,920 "Let's go to the park. Let's go riding bikes." 485 00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:36,460 He helped coach my baseball team. 486 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,280 I don't know if he did it consciously to keep himself busy, or if it was just his nature. 487 00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:45,490 Maybe he kept himself busy all the time, 488 00:33:45,850 --> 00:33:48,280 so as not to sit in my own thoughts. 489 00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:50,890 The group was always there. 490 00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:52,630 It was his salvation. 491 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:54,610 His way of moving on. 492 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:59,410 There was music before, and there is music after. My father and his bandmates became like brothers, 493 00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:01,510 a real family. 494 00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:06,340 We rehearsed three times a week and were damn good. 495 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:09,490 We had about fifty, sixty, seventy songs. 496 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,690 He has accumulated a ton of material. 497 00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:24,130 Of course, everything was completely different, 498 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,690 than during the times of "Anholy Death". 499 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,960 And yes, Brian is a great singer, nothing bad about him, 500 00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:31,690 but Brian was not part of this circle. 501 00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:37,870 I didn't write him anything, I just went into the shadows. 502 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,820 But he found me and said, “Hey, long time no see. 503 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:45,100 "Would you like to come back to the group by any chance?" 504 00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:47,140 When I saw him, 505 00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:49,300 It was like meeting an ex-girlfriend. 506 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,420 He had changed a lot by this time. 507 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,910 His whole behavior was different. 508 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,160 Still a joker, still cheerful, 509 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,710 but the darkness disappeared. 510 00:35:00,070 --> 00:35:02,140 And that's what surprised me the most. 511 00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:05,380 After such horror you always think: 512 00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:07,360 what if it's still out there somewhere? 513 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,950 But if I had felt even a hint, I would have left immediately. 514 00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:21,100 And so it’s like with a bicycle. 515 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,860 Just got back in and drove off. 516 00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:26,230 As if no time had passed. 517 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:32,440 The idea of ​​playing Anholy Des started to float around again. 518 00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:38,700 Kurt was already preparing a second reissue of the album with a German label. 519 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,990 It was a big deal. Like, let's release it, 520 00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:44,920 We'll start the concerts, then we'll work on new material. 521 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,690 That was the main impetus. 522 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,970 We started moving forward, we had a goal. 523 00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:57,190 It's time to play "Anholy Death" live with the original line-up. 524 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,950 The irony is that this also turned out to be the last concert. 525 00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:10,030 Breaking News: Man falls from West Seattle lower bridge to death. 526 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,610 Kurt Strubing's car flew over a bridge, and the 39-year-old musician died on the spot. 527 00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:24,160 You may have seen the footage yesterday of a crumpled car that fell from the Harbour Island Bridge, which was open for ships. 528 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:30,280 On the news I saw our car turned upside down on the road below. 529 00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:32,800 Everything inside me sank. 530 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,930 Eyewitnesses say Strubing broke through the barriers on the bridge. 531 00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:40,090 Police are still trying to figure out what happened. 532 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:46,200 Two police officers from Des Moines came to us and confirmed that Kurt was dead. 533 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,770 It was a shock. It felt like a bad dream. 534 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:52,060 It's like a joke. You think, "No, this isn't real." 535 00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:53,470 But it turned out to be real. 536 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,570 He crashed into a barrier that was capable of stopping a truck. 537 00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:00,160 At full speed. 538 00:37:00,910 --> 00:37:06,850 There were no problems with the car. They told me straight out: he took his own life. 539 00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:16,270 He left work in the middle of the day, without reason. 540 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:19,720 I took a road I usually didn't take. 541 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:21,370 Turned off the bridge. 542 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:24,280 I just figured his demons had caught up with him. 543 00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:28,480 Nobody knows what exactly pushed him that day. 544 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:36,220 Everything he had to go through in his life: the story with his father, with his whole life... 545 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,760 It's hard to imagine how to live with this. 546 00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:49,270 Was it just from stress in life, from fatigue, or from something else? 547 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:51,340 I will never know. 548 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:56,410 He must have felt that something was wrong. 549 00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:03,190 I remember my mom asking Kurt point blank: 550 00:38:03,610 --> 00:38:07,570 "Can you promise you won't do to my daughter what you did to my mother?" 551 00:38:07,930 --> 00:38:11,920 And Kurt replied, "I can't promise, but I can promise, 552 00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:15,880 that before I hurt anyone, I will kill myself." 553 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:20,590 And he kept his word. 554 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:31,690 I know how much he loved his son. How much he loved his wife. And how much he hated what he did in the past. 555 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,140 But if he felt that way, why didn't he tell me? 556 00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:37,210 It breaks my heart doubly. 557 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:47,050 Witnesses say the bridge was raised at the time. Strubing drove out of the convoy and crashed through two barriers. 558 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,580 Sad news. 559 00:38:49,090 --> 00:38:53,410 But not unexpected. This was a man with a mental breakdown, 560 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:57,700 who, in my opinion, was never given the help he needed. 561 00:38:58,270 --> 00:39:01,510 Did he have any treatment, medication? 562 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:03,070 No. 563 00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:09,970 There was no rehabilitation treatment for anything. 564 00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:12,970 System not sharpened under... 565 00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:13,990 rehabilitation. 566 00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:15,820 She's just not for it. 567 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,860 My life changed a lot when my father died. 568 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,250 I felt lonely. 569 00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:25,390 I lost... 570 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,360 childhood, in a sense. 571 00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:36,370 I sank into a hole for years. I decided to drown all my feelings in drugs and alcohol. 572 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,770 And so it was for almost ten years. 573 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,760 My mom and dad took on most of the care for Jared, 574 00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:44,530 because I couldn't. 575 00:39:44,830 --> 00:39:47,680 They began to play a much bigger role in his life until I... 576 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:49,420 was forgotten. 577 00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:52,750 Here is my man. 578 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:56,320 It's been almost twenty years since I heard his voice. 579 00:39:58,750 --> 00:39:59,590 Hard. 580 00:40:01,090 --> 00:40:03,280 He had so many people around him, 581 00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:11,710 who loved him very much and also... 582 00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:13,600 took care of him. 583 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,970 And he didn't want to hurt anyone. 584 00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:18,310 That's why... 585 00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:20,080 I think... 586 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:29,660 I think he decided to take matters into his own hands to prevent this from happening. 587 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,650 And how can I feel anything but gratitude? 588 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:39,020 When Kurt died... 589 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,680 It may sound disgusting, but I felt relieved. 590 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:48,290 It must have been a relief for him too. It was a very dark chapter in history. 591 00:40:51,090 --> 00:40:54,260 Yes, it was shocking, but inside there was a feeling: 592 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,450 “Well, here it is at last, my friend. 593 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,130 "You are free." 594 00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:59,630 That's how I kept it in my memory. 595 00:40:59,770 --> 00:41:02,720 Maybe his pain was finally over. 596 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,570 The best ending would have been if he had asked for help. 597 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:17,090 I don’t know if any doctor ever told him: “When you start feeling this way, go to the hospital.” 598 00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:21,650 He tried his best to live as best he could. He did everything possible. 599 00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:29,780 If I had known he was suffering, I think we would all have been willing to help him get what he needed. 600 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:36,650 There was a good memorial. 601 00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:43,460 Then we went to his wife’s house, made a fire, cried a lot, talked a lot. 602 00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:46,430 The metal community rallied around him, 603 00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:51,830 Everyone was very caring and considerate of him and what he had done. 604 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,510 He was a man who was passionate about music. 605 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,730 Who loved to share, grow and create. 606 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:04,460 It was an honor for me to play with him. 607 00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:10,650 "Anholy Death" still sounds powerful to me. 608 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:17,030 Many metalheads still have this record in their collection, 609 00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:18,900 and they love her. 610 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:23,880 I never thought she would survive in people's hearts and minds. 611 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:26,360 She always seems to come back up again. 612 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,230 But if young people find her and love her, that’s great. 613 00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:32,960 For a long time I couldn't listen to her, 614 00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:39,620 but I consider it the greatest American black metal album. 615 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,640 And I love the time we spent together, 616 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,440 and all the stories we've lived through together. 617 00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,950 You can't judge him by his crime alone. 618 00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:09,290 You can, but then you miss out on what he was really like. 619 00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:14,600 I want to shed light on the Kurt I knew. 620 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:16,940 That's why it's important to me. 621 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,980 A bandmate. 622 00:43:20,090 --> 00:43:21,080 Another. 623 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,150 Husband. 624 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:25,370 Father. 625 00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:31,790 It's important to me to share how special Kurt was. 626 00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:34,970 I have a tattoo: "family" 627 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,510 Here I have "Kurt Strubing", and also the date of birth and death, 628 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:44,510 This is the darkest, boldest tattoo on my arm. It's the first thing I see when I look down. 629 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:49,700 And she constantly reminds me where I come from.54492

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