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Previously on The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City.
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Wild day getaway.
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We're here to tie up.
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Honestly, it's much more important.
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Who knew it could be this simple to be
friends with Heather. It's really
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It's beautiful.
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I think the bigger thing that's weird
here is that Lisa didn't join our trip.
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She just has a lot of people accusing
her. Most of the lawsuits that I have
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looked at, I don't know how many there
are that I don't know of, but I've seen
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at least five lawsuits that have been
filed against Lisa or Lisa's businesses
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Lisa and her husband. One might say it's
similar to what Jim Shaw did.
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It was a bad joke.
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Rise and shine.
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Molly didn't get us.
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Angie.
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What happened?
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Where? Last night.
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I need to get home to my family. You got
us here. You got us here.
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Meredith.
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I've got to go. We've got to go.
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Where's Meredith?
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They're not going to let us die. It's
too big of a liability for the network.
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Are you ready to go brush your teeth
down by the river?
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Why are we brushing our teeth down by
the river? It's part of the camping
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experience. Is there a coffee maker or a
cappuccino machine on here?
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Oh, Meredith, you're not in the Four
Seasons.
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Oh,
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it's beautiful.
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Hi, guy.
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You guys are so cute.
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And come to the animals. I got my
glasses.
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What did I miss?
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Look at the animals.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Gorgeous. Oh, my gosh. A bunch of
animals. Do you think they're thinking
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same thing about us? No, they're not.
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You guys, let's start cooking breakfast
for everybody. Let's do it.
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I have no ability to spit ever since I
got the Botox in my lip.
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Let me try, actually.
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That way.
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There was a time when I was proud of my
spitting ability, and I've lost it. It's
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no longer on my Tinder profile.
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Fresh.
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Rowan, you do not know how to cook
steak.
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I don't even think you eat steak, do
you?
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Mary, I don't cook anything.
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I can see all the way you're digging at
that steak.
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But, Meredith, can you do more with
those steaks? Meredith is doing the
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Okay, good. Thank you, Rowan. You don't
eat the bacon, and I can't mess it up.
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Mary is right to be concerned about my
culinary skills. I mean, like, I could
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find a way to f*** up pouring cereal in
a bowl.
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I would not eat anything I touched.
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This bowl is not working.
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I mean, I can't even cut it.
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Good morning.
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Your steak is ready. Oh, you made me
steak.
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Meredith made it for you.
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Oh!
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Oh, that hit my flesh.
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Come on over.
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This place feels like I could bring the
girls up here, rent an RV, and, like,
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have this whole experience. We could
fish.
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But, I mean, it's too late now.
Annabelle's leaving, so... But going on
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college? Yeah, she's moving out. She's
the last kid in the house.
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I can't...
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wait for it to happen like it couldn't
happen soon enough for me and I feel
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guilty I just feel like she's the last
part of that era
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of my life and I want it to be over with
like not my relationship with her but
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just trying to be a family you know
trying to be the mom and the dad
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actually said it to me she said I feel
like you've been in fight or flight
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dad left And I have been, because it's
just like the kids can't get screwed up,
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the kids can't get screwed up, because
that would be my fault.
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Because we were raised that way. I was
born to be a wife and mother, and any
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desire to be anything outside of that
was basically a sin.
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I was in charge of raising the kids, and
he was in charge of providing. And then
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when he left, I was still 100 % in
charge of raising the kids, and I've
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had a night off.
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My husband never had custody of the
children. He never had them overnight. I
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them 100 % of the time, and his
involvement was, you know, fun dad
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week. I look at that era, it was really,
really, really hard.
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And mostly hard because I couldn't show
them it was hard. I acted like it was
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perfect and normal, and I was so happy,
and I was so fine.
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And I loved everything I was doing, but
I was gritting my teeth the whole time.
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I'm exhausted.
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You've put a lot of expectations on
yourself.
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Well, she didn't have a choice.
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That should be the best years of your
life.
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I know, I know, and that's why I feel
guilty.
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Oh, Heather.
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Like, obviously, I took a very different
track. I was also raised, two parents
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who are still together, 50 -plus years,
Mormon. When I had Gwen by myself, I...
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I went through the same insecurity. This
is not how this is supposed to be
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happening. I'm supposed to have a
family. It's supposed to be marriage and
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temple, all that kind of stuff. But I
feel the exact opposite of Heather.
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Gwen graduated in October. She needs to
be leaving.
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And instead, I moved her boyfriend into
our house so she would stay longer.
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I am not prepared for Gwen to move out
right now.
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Okay, are you guys ready for this with
me? Are you ready?
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I don't know if I'm ready for this. You
know, I can't cook for you until you're
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like 80, so. Well, I was kind of hoping
you'd just live here for forever and
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cook for me. Which one?
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What if Gwen moves out and I have all of
this time and space and freedom to go
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do something fabulous with my life and I
don't make something fabulous out of my
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life? I don't know who I am if I'm not
Gwen's mom.
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I'm not ready to be done. My insecurity
is I haven't done enough with Gwen yet,
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and I need more time with her.
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I feel like you're saying I don't love
my kids because I want them to leave.
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Me? I love my kids so much.
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I'm not saying that at all. I wish you
would question why you feel you have to
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do it that way. I'm being a mom.
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You can do it however you did it. It's
perfect. That's what I'm trying to say
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for you.
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I wish you wouldn't question the way you
did it. I don't. I don't. I don't.
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I'm just looking forward to a new
chapter.
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Well, it's funny, Heather, because now I
just want to be a stay -at -home mom
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and I can't be.
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I'm actually going through the reverse
of like this whole crisis and failure at
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the business has really made me feel
like I just want to be home with my kids
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and then my business sells and I can't
be now. I have to still figure out how
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make money.
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Over the last couple of months, Justin
and I decided we wanted to start a
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venture together. So we merged Wild Rose
Beauty into another entity and we were
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wildly successful to start.
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And then business started plummeting and
we're just trying.
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Whatever we're calling this phase of
failure.
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I'm not doing very well with coping with
it. The feeling of defeat gets bad.
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really hard maybe this was just a marker
to like tell you that we needed to
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balance it out more because we did go
all in and maybe that's not what we're
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supposed to be focused on right now it's
just funny how life will just keep you
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moving it'll change without no warning
hey mary how's how's robert
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doing robert jr um
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He's doing as well as he can be doing.
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You got to be real. You got to talk.
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How long was he in rehab? 30 days.
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He's taking it day by day. He's trying.
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He has highs and lows.
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Some days he's good.
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Some days he's not, you know.
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When Robert Jr.
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got home, we had a talk with him, and
Robert Sr. told him, we cannot babysit
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you. You have the tools, and you know
what you need to do.
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So we, like, made a pact that we would
take one day at a time.
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And we're letting him figure it out. And
that's how I deal with him.
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You know, I didn't have a support system
with him. I just had Robert Sr. I just
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have one.
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I take my hats off to any mom that can
raise three kids by themselves.
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You should automatically feel some type
of accomplishment.
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Because I couldn't have done it without
Robert Sr. I couldn't have done it at
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all. Yeah.
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Look, you guys, we had a rough night, so
I think it's time to pack it up and
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head home.
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Okay? Ooh, that's going to smell good.
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I cannot wait to get home to indoor
plumbing, a bed alone, and the
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ability to wash my hands with a sink
that drains.
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Yeah, baby.
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All right, we're going.
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Come on, guys.
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Come on. Sorry. Mary, are you staying in
here? Okay. I'll push for you, Mary.
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I am not pushing nobody's RV.
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backwards. Don't go backwards.
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Okay. Oh my gosh. Okay. Class A all the
way.
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I want my money back for this trip.
Where's Mary?
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Go!
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Go!
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Let's go. Let's go.
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Coming up.
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It's gonna be okay.
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I'm totally fine. It's okay for you to
have your feelings hurt by friends that
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have betrayed you.
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He's a boyfriend over there.
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That's a girl dog.
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Oh, well, so he's a lesbian, I guess.
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Is the one with the red, like, chin, is
that the man?
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Yes. He must be Mormon because he's got
two wives.
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I was calling to see if you were going
to go to Amy's party.
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Yes, I'm going, and I'm excited.
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She has, like, fabulous parties.
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We don't really have socialites in Salt
Lake City. Our social structure is based
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on church.
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But if we did, it would definitely apply
to Amy.
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She lives in this huge house.
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She throws fabulous parties.
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She's kind of the who's who of Salt Lake
City.
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Okay, I'll see you soon. Bye.
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It's a long time no see. Thank you so
much.
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Hey. For, like, matching.
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I know. I love it. I almost wore my
burgundy ones, and then I went back to,
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like, a neutral green.
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What's going on? Oh, my gosh. I feel
like I haven't seen you forever.
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I know.
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I've missed you. I've missed you, too.
Your hair is beautiful. They have purse
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handles.
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Hi, how's it going?
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Good. How are you doing today?
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Oh, my gosh, so good. Now, are we ready
to order? I for sure want to get the
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chicken salad. I'm going to do the carne
asada. Okay. I'll be right back with
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you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank
you. So, like, how was the trip? Where
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did you guys end up going?
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Provo Canyon.
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Oh, really?
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We were in an RV.
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Mary camping? I can't even fathom that.
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You would have loved it. Like, I was sad
you weren't there. There were so many
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moments.
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I was sad to not be there with you guys.
Even though you physically weren't
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there, you were part of the trip from
the jump.
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A lot went down.
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I'm not just going to sit here and lie
to Lisa and say, oh, the trip was great.
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Your name didn't come up once.
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Part of our friendship is just kind of
being straight with each other, and I'm
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going to tell her everything.
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Bronwyn just dropped that she had been
doing all this research on your
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businesses and your lawsuit.
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Most of the lawsuits that I have looked
at, I don't know how many there are that
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I don't know of, but I've seen at least
five. And you're reading this in the
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testimonials? It was in Salt Lake
Tribune. It was clear that she was just
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to annihilate you.
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I think it's really shitty.
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And I think it's a horrible precedent
for our friend group.
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And I think that it's something that you
need to...
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Squash. Listen, how do you squash
something that doesn't exist? I don't
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That's why I wanted to talk to you about
it. A baseless man with a claim that
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got dismissed and another one that's on
its way of getting dismissed.
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We didn't do anything.
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I mean, this whole thing is so dumb.
What do you want to dig up like 15 years
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my life and be like, ooh, this is so
naughty.
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Lisa has dismissed cases.
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I mean.
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Obviously, they're not that bright
because anyone with half a brain would
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dismissed lawsuit is nothing. It's
dismissed.
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No one sues the bottom, bitch. They all
go for the top.
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I'll see my Amy's and I'll have no
problem talking to him about it. What is
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going on with the lawsuit that they're
even talking about? What is it? An old
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business partner from 15 years ago that
we sold the business sued us. It's
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baseless, malicious, dumb.
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And then we had another one within a
couple weeks and it got dismissed
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immediately. There's no claim.
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There's nothing. So it got dismissed.
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It's ridiculous.
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I don't own the same kind of business as
anybody else in this friend group.
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I live a very different life.
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From all of you.
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Your life is not that different from all
of us. It is.
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Everybody knows I do big things. I don't
care.
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This is her problem. Just these little
comments, these little elitist things
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like, make herself better and different.
You know, I get it. You don't want to
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be basic. You don't want to be normal.
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But just give us a little bit of credit.
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Did anyone stand up for me other than
you?
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Did Meredith?
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Meredith was Meredith.
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Oh.
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Silent.
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Curb.
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She defended you at first around the
picnic table when the first lawsuits
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up, but then it just got really heated
and ugly, and especially when Angie kind
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of piled on.
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I thought Angie and I were good. What is
she saying?
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Sounds like you were the only one
defending me. And I think the most
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disappointing thing is that Angie jumped
on.
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Meredith didn't say a word.
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You know, it's like kind of pathetic,
actually.
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It's going to be okay.
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I'm fine. That's the thing. That's the
thing that bothers me the most.
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No, I'm totally fine.
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It's okay for you to have your feelings
hurt by friends that have betrayed you.
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That is hurtful, Lisa.
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I'm like crying because I'm so
frustrated and upset.
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And it's like all these years of
sacrificing.
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I'm like.
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giving a hundred percent, like taking
time away from this or that, or like
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missing critical events in our life
because we're like putting everything
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our brand.
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And then you guys want to sit there and
act like it's no big deal to rip it
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down. For them to like bring up stupid
to try and denigrate my character is
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disgusting.
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Let's dissect everybody's life because
if they want to talk about mine, you're
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opening the door for me to talk about
yours.
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I think you can clear it up.
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Hello?
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Welcome to the party on the mountain.
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Hi. Hi.
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Okay, you ready?
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Yeah.
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Your skis are cute.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Ooh, and her helmet.
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I don't care.
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I'm all about the fun these days. I
know, I know. That's all I want to do is
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have fun.
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I'm over the drama.
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It's been a lot. How are you feeling
after the trip?
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I feel like I got better time with some
people.
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I loved, loved, loved seeing you and
Heather have a moment. That makes my
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so happy. It made me super happy. We had
a great time in the kayak. And then the
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next day when she was talking about the
girls, I felt like she took what I was
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saying negatively or, like, didn't want
my support. So I don't know. I always
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feel like we, like, take a baby step
forward and then I somehow piss her off
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again or I vent her. I think just
challenge her and be like, wait, I'm not
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anything but supportive or understanding
and just speak that to her.
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Yeah, okay.
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I really appreciate you sticking up for
me. When I was trying to say some stuff,
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get some stuff out about Lisa, I
appreciated you being like, no, that's
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experience too. I was so frustrated in
that moment because of the double
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standard. If you're going to dig up
stuff on me and you have stuff that's
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record, documentation of things that you
are not being forthcoming about, don't
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come after us. Yeah, five people suing
you with one offering your own text
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messages as evidence.
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Yeah. And her response to the lawsuit
says it's too long ago for you to ask
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it to be repaid or we never had a
repayment schedule, so technically I
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default on a repayment schedule.
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If the texts he claims to have are real,
she's not denying she took the money.
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Right.
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But that's suspect, too. If John's
running Vita or they co -run it
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would the lawsuit suggest he didn't even
want John to know about the money?
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Like, that feels suspect to me.
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He didn't know?
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Supposedly.
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When the lawsuits were reported, two of
the details that stood out to me were,
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one, the gentleman accusing Lisa claims
to have text messages where he claims
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she acknowledges the debt.
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And the lawsuit implies she would prefer
he didn't tell John.
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I mean, having some guy get you an Amex
under his credit, under his limit. Is
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this the mystery man that Andrew talks
about?
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Supposedly. You said on your phone, via
Twitter, that Lisa has a Park City
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mystery man who pays for her lip filler.
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Especially while she's worried about
what I am or I'm not putting on my Amex
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jewelry -wise.
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Why don't you worry about what Amex
you're using?
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She sits there and lets Brittany call me
a gold digger.
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At least I'm spending my own husband's
money. You have a husband. Whose money
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are you spending?
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Weird. Hello?
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Hi. Hi.
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How are you?
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I'm good. How are you? Do you want to
smell my...
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Yeah, it smells good. My herbal night
sleep chamomile smells good.
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Yeah, it smells good.
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It's supposed to make you calm.
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Like it's supposed to zen you.
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Hi.
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Hi. So what's up, bubs?
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I don't know. I feel like I'm in a
standstill right now.
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I'm not in that dark place, but, like,
it's still there.
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Does that make sense?
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Well, you have to walk out of it.
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You've been living your life a certain
way for a couple years now.
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So now you have to retrain your mindset,
you know, retrain your thinking,
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your process, your daily plan.
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I just didn't expect it to be like this.
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Like what?
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Scary.
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Why?
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Because it's like you have to change who
you are as a person.
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Like you're so used to doing something
you do every day and it's a ritual.
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And then you just come back home to
where you used to do that ritual and
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not doing it anymore.
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It's a lot.
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Yeah. I just feel like I've...
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All my friends that I was partying with,
I stopped hanging out with them, and
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I don't hang out with anyone anymore.
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I don't ever want you to feel isolated.
I don't.
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But I also want you to understand why
it's
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necessary to.
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isolate yourself from the people that
you bonded with over drugs.
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You know? Because sometimes you're
trying to go up a step or your life is
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elevating and the people that are with
you is not.
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They're pulling you down.
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Yeah.
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But now that I'm isolating, I'm just...
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I don't know. I'm just getting that
stimuli from unhealthy sources.
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Like what sources?
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Food.
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Okay.
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Drugs.
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Not like you was, or like you was?
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No, not like I was.
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Did you smoke today?
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Yeah, I smoked.
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Weed, yeah.
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It
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is,
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I'm still beating myself up because
I'm...
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So, you know, I'm not completely off and
perfect.
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Every
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day
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is not easy.
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And I know you have to take life day by
day.
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Yeah. Sometimes you fall, but you get
back up.
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This knocks the wind out of me.
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But I feel like his whole life I've
always been that helicopter mom. And I
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like that drove him to be, like, not
wanting to let me down for not telling
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the truth.
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And I felt like it's actually changed me
to back off and let him
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see that I trust that he's going to make
the right decision.
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Because it's like, you have to do it. We
can't do it for you.
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We're fighters.
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We fight.
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Yeah. You can't save anybody that
doesn't want to be saved. You can only
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yourself. You know?
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Wish me luck.
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Good luck.
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I really am serious about
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wanting to figure out with Heather
whether we can be friends or we just
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find a way to coexist.
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And it's not happening in a group
setting with the other ladies.
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So one -on -one, we're going to get to
the bottom of it.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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We can order and stuff if you want.
Yeah, I would love to get a drink.
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Yes.
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I don't want to be annoyed with Bronwyn
all the time. My name is Lala. I'm going
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to take care of you today.
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Fabulous. I don't want my friendships to
feel like a chore.
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So I'm really hoping that Bronwyn and I
can kind of break through something
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here.
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Okay, well, what's going on with you?
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So Ashley is flying in this week from
Santa Barbara just to visit.
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And Annabelle, it's like time for them
to spend a little time together because
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Annabelle's getting all of her
acceptance letters. I'm really exhausted
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can't wait for Annabelle to graduate.
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You said something about this when we
were at the RV trip and I tried to say
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something that I think maybe was
misunderstood. So I do want to clear
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I was trying to be supportive of you. I
was trying to feel like.
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I hear what you're saying. It's really
tricky to want them to go live their own
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lives and you get to support them and
you get to focus on yourself. I'm
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to have less hands -on mom time for
sure. I wasn't saying negative or
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you in any kind of a way. I totally
understand where you are. I don't know
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you heard it. And I want to, I just want
to be really clear about that. Those
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words. I mean, it just felt like you
were trying to like show that you were
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understanding, but like.
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define how you were definitely different
and that you weren't done mothering and
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wanted when they're so badly that you
moved your boyfriend in because you just
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loved mothering so badly and that I
shouldn't feel bad that I was ready to
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be hands -on anymore you know okay then
I'm super sorry that that's how that
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came out what I was trying to say
actually is that I feel like I haven't
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good enough job mothering so I wasn't
trying to say I was different in a
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way at all I was trying to empathize I
really was yeah thank you
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See, like, this kind of convo, like, I
would have loved to have had around the
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campfire. So that's what I want to say
to you. I feel like sometimes I say
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something to you and it doesn't land,
and then I, like, shut down. Like, I
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think, oh, Heather just doesn't like me.
We just don't get along.
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I just think when we're in a group
setting, like, you don't present it that
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You word salad it a lot, you know?
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It's really rich that she has a problem
with how many words I use.
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what they are, and if I pronounce them
wrong, considering that, like, Heather
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best friends with Lisa Big Mouth Barlow.
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Fresh start is two words, Heather. Can
we try that? Was that concise enough for
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you? Okay, I have to ask, why would you
dump all the data you did about Lisa and
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her businesses from someone that you
said you wanted nothing more than to be
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close to them?
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Yeah, I did want to be close to Lisa,
and I thought we were. And Lisa's made
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very clear that we are not close.
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So now all bets are off, and you're just
going to... It's not all bets are off.
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I wanted to leave New York neutral with
Lisa.
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Unfortunately, since then, Lisa has
continued to double and triple and
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down in the things that she says about
me.
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About who I am. Okay, so it is
retaliatory.
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So you can call it retaliatory or you
can call it me meeting Lisa exactly
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she is. Then you guys need to sit down
and talk, but it shouldn't affect us.
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00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:32,070
It shouldn't affect us, but it does.
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00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:35,190
But you seem really heated. Because you
will not hear what I'm saying. I heard
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you. This is between you two and I am
just saying. I think it does color your
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relationship with me.
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I don't have a problem with you.
466
00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:47,490
I just called out. I mean, I thought we
were making friends. I thought so too.
467
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:49,710
Do you want to be friends?
468
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:52,530
I do. I've had your trying. Cheers.
469
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:58,970
to our next public draft feed coming
soon I'm sure
470
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,980
carpet entrance oh this is
471
00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:30,980
gorgeous
472
00:31:56,419 --> 00:31:58,860
Look at this little... Oh, my God.
473
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:00,680
I told you it was a titty dress.
474
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Like the exterior is like... Hi!
475
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,360
Oh, hi!
476
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Good to see you. Thank you for having
us.
477
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:17,140
Oh, wow.
478
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,100
Look at that. There we go.
479
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:23,110
Oh, my gosh. You know what they call
this?
480
00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:25,710
Glory hole of champagne, honey.
481
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:33,090
How are you? Good. I'm so good.
482
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:34,510
Yes.
483
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:36,590
Welcome to our ranch. Your house.
484
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:40,710
How are you? Oh, my gosh. This is all at
the Park City OG.
485
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:57,960
After what Heather told me at lunch,
like, I feel uneasy.
486
00:32:58,180 --> 00:32:59,180
I'm upset.
487
00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:02,160
These girls are like vultures. It's
like, oh, my gosh, we got to get her. We
488
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,760
to get her. We got to get her. You're
not getting anything.
489
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:07,540
There's nothing I have to hide. I live
my life in the light.
490
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:11,980
I can only destroy myself. You can't
destroy me.
491
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:25,790
Wasn't a good friend and who was.
492
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:31,670
She told me like that legal stuff came
up. Is there anything else I need to
493
00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:35,909
know? You know, there was a lot said.
494
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:38,190
Like a lot. And I think the women.
495
00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:06,590
Angie compared you to Jen Shaw. She did
not. She did not. Are
496
00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:09,070
you kidding me?
497
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:13,390
Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just
saying.
498
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:19,050
That is a horrible, horrible accusation.
499
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:23,970
Horrible. She's comparing me to Jen
Shaw? Are you kidding me right now? I'm
500
00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:25,890
serious. That's so psycho.
501
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:28,890
You called me a criminal in front of our
friends.
502
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:32,860
I would never do that to you. I wouldn't
do that to someone I hated. Like, I was
503
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:36,740
a great friend to Angie. I went the
distance for Angie. You're sending her
504
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:39,740
f***ing DM about Angie, and it's enough.
It's done.
505
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,620
Meredith, it's done. You're done.
506
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:43,240
And this is how you repay me?
507
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,780
I compared you to our friend that's in
prison.
508
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,720
Yeah. How do you do that? Who's serving
time? They're talking about you.
509
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:53,440
Were you told Lisa about you?
510
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,880
What'd she say about me?
511
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,900
That you compared Lisa to Jen Shah?
512
00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:04,210
Have a conversation.
513
00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:05,330
She's a mess.
514
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:12,370
I think that's a good idea.
515
00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:13,910
For sure.
516
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:16,190
Hey, Mayor.
517
00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:17,348
What's up?
518
00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:18,249
How are you?
519
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:19,970
Is this happening right now? I know.
520
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:22,970
I think we need to have a chat.
521
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:24,630
Yeah.
522
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:28,830
So I heard some conversations were had
when I was gone.
523
00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:31,890
Yeah, they did. Do you want to fill me
in? Yeah, I'd love to.
524
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:34,770
So I can undo the mask.
525
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:37,090
What do you want to tell me?
526
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:38,630
I'll tell you this.
527
00:36:39,350 --> 00:36:41,230
They got brought up, the lawsuits.
528
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:44,470
Bronwyn's bringing her documents. She's
bringing information.
529
00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:50,270
Bronwyn did not go to law school, and I
doubt she even went to college. Okay. So
530
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:52,290
maybe not believe everything Bronwyn
says.
531
00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:55,170
Hear me out. The way that she described
it.
532
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:12,030
I think what you mean is, please, judge,
dismiss those lawsuits against me.
533
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:15,430
This is not for you. I don't want to
talk to you. It is about me.
534
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,520
With Brittany.
535
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:53,660
I love her. I'm in love with her. You're
not madly in love. I'm madly in love.
536
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,080
You are madly in love. But there are
buts. Are you madly, madly, madly? I
537
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,080
know. I don't know.
538
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,680
I have zero interest in talking to you.
You talk to everybody about me. And then
539
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,340
you don't want to talk to me. You're
dishonest. Because I said things about
540
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,560
that should make people have a question
and a pause.
541
00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:34,390
That should make people have a question
and a pause about what's going on in
542
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:36,690
your life. I have a question and a pause
about you, gout dick sucker.
543
00:38:39,330 --> 00:38:41,370
This is getting nasty real quick.
544
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:45,270
Are you checking on your wife?
545
00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:46,550
Oh my God.
546
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:49,350
I have no... I'm a dick sucker now.
547
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:50,970
Gout dick sucker.
548
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:54,430
I thought gout was in the feet.
549
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,270
I didn't know that you could have gout
dick.
550
00:39:00,330 --> 00:39:05,030
someone called gout dick since the civil
war since the battle of gettysburg may
551
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:11,410
gout take hold of your willies you
treasonous bastards i have zero because
552
00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:16,510
telling you what's public record now i'm
a dick stalker that's how you have
553
00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:20,810
clothes my husband pays for my clothes
554
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,360
I just say, Todd, I'll fuck your dick.
555
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:36,570
I mean, my Amex bill comes in a box, not
an envelope. It's that many pages,
556
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:39,090
okay? I have to distract Todd from it
sometimes.
557
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:42,750
The point is, this is what happens when
you're friends with Lisa. You make a
558
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:46,010
joke to her, and five years later, she's
going to pull it out of her long
559
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:49,110
arsenal about you to try to twist it and
make you look bad.
560
00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:50,448
It's off.
561
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:53,850
And I actually do enjoy having sex with
my husband, so I'm unfazed by that
562
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:58,050
accusation. Now she's okay with Todd,
but in Mexico, she was not okay with
563
00:40:58,190 --> 00:41:01,570
Actually, in a marriage, I've had ups
and downs. Anybody here who's been
564
00:41:01,570 --> 00:41:05,360
married... has had ups and downs. That's
not going to change his life. Nobody
565
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,100
talks to us about your husband than you
do.
566
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,000
Well, nobody borrowed money behind their
husband's back other than you, bitch.
567
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:12,760
So what does that say? It's not true.
568
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,220
Is John not aware?
569
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,400
That's not true. They put in the court
documents that you specifically asked
570
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,400
them not to tell John about it. She
thinks she's a lawyer now. She didn't
571
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,400
go to college.
572
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,640
I don't think I'm a lawyer. I don't have
to be a lawyer to read the news.
573
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,720
You should really go to school.
574
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,300
You should go to work and pay those
lawsuits off is what you should do.
575
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:40,820
She is disgusting.
576
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,120
You are like such a pig.
577
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,020
I'm going to create a website and post
all her lies.
578
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:49,560
Starting a negative online campaign. We
know you love to do that, Lisa. You've
579
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,980
done it to many of us already. So I love
that you're threatening to do that
580
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:53,980
again.
581
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:56,840
This is like a joke. It's such a joke.
582
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,140
Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City. Lisa, some things have been
583
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,440
said that are going to be hard for me to
move on from. I don't know why you
584
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,660
bother with her at all. All the shit she
said about you, it's unforgivable.
585
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,060
We clearly have a friend who is either
in financial distress, living a lie, or
586
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,420
is under attack because these lawsuits.
587
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,840
I could get sued one, two, three, four,
and I'll probably get sued in the
588
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,500
future. But is there merit to it? No.
It's a fanciful tale. Read my response.
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