All language subtitles for The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City – S5E18

Tonight on part two of the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion.

Vince from Detroit said Mary probably
wanted Meredith to leave the second she

walked in with those bangs.

Those bangs were a little bit of type of
suffering.

Lisa associated Sean's name with circle
jerk.

Yes, I did.

God, I'm never going to get rid of this.

I have been called a drug addict, a
bulimic, a cheater, mentally unstable,

level psychotic disassociation.

Episode, do you take notes?

I wouldn't even say it's an emotional
affair.

So he didn't do it or he did do it?

I give total props to Robert Jr.

What a kid.

Part two of the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City reunion starts now.

Bringing up issues that were very
personal and very sensitive to Ron's

Gwendolyn. was completely unacceptable
to me. Todd, I get where you're coming

from. You asserting Bronwyn had a
miscarriage, which was why... Watch your

I'm not watching my tone.

Watch your tone. No, watch your tone.

This is a friendly environment. Watch
your tone. Really? Okay.

Okay.

Where's security?

I understand why that would be extremely
hurtful and extremely offensive. But I

think sometimes you have to realize when
you're saying things on camera, then

they live on camera. And they can be
repeated.

So repeating six months later is
something that's so despicable. You know

I've already talked to you. I've already
apologized to you. So you can put on a

show and pretend I didn't. I'm not
putting on a show. That's how I feel

it. My intention was good. It was the
hardest conversation I've ever had.

I thought that you're... Your
protectiveness over Gwen meeting the

whether she met them or not, was
admirable.

Thank you. It was nice to see.

Philippe from Switzerland wrote in,
Angie, why are you holding Meredith

accountable for the gay rumor when all
she said was there were rumors? You

held Whitney accountable for getting
Monica to spill the rumor on camera.

Well, I know that there were off -camera
conversations about me.

And you know what? I'll never be able to
prove it. All I have to do at this

point is just say Meredith's where she
didn't play a role in it. And I have no

choice but to move on. Wait, it goes
further than that. Well, it's not that

simple, Andy. Monica told you this was
never Meredith.

Hold on. Let Meredith speak.

You have spent two years accusing me of
something I didn't do, relentlessly

insisting that I did it, and in turn
have actually done all of those things.

To me, as retaliation, you've spoken
poorly about my business. You've spoken

poorly about my marriage. But the point
is, you have accused me about talking

about your home, your business, your
marriage. You did talk about my home.

am not doing that stuff.

You did. You were on film talking about
how Monica could take our home. I mean,

she said it. Do you honestly think I
would be like, oh, I don't believe

You believed her in the moment, Heather,
and so did Whitney. How has she spoken

negatively about your home?

Well, she makes shigs all the time. She
just is in her rental or Airbnb.

Well, don't you rent?

Yeah, I do. But it's said in a very
negative light. Yeah, I do a winter ski

rental for the 10 ,000th time because I
only live in Utah half the year. So then

what's, if it's a rental, what's
negative? I mean. Oh, it's the way it's

It's clearly meant to be nasty and
shady.

Robert from Houston said, Meredith, why
did you expect an apology from Sean when

you did leverage Brooks' sexuality so
you wouldn't receive further scrutiny

the false allegations you made about
Sean? Well, that would be impossible

because I didn't make the allegations.

So the premise is false to begin with.
And do we need a vocab lesson here? Does

anyone know the definition of leverage?

Choose to maximum advantage.

Sean was asked by a gay podcaster about
it and said, don't you feel, and it

appears, that she is using her son as
defense. He didn't say it appears. I did

listen to the whole podcast. I'm like,
what is it? Let me just jump in really

fast. He said it looks like she's using
her son. I think she tried to leverage

that as a way out and a pivot for her.

After that episode aired, there was a
whole bunch of backpedaling, and you

she is a smart woman, and she took the
opportunity.

to leverage her son in things like that,
knowing that it didn't land quite the

way she wanted it to. My thing is, if I
were a cheater and that was a thing, say

that. Don't make it about sexuality.

I think they tried to do that to push
the knife in a little deeper and it

land the way they wanted it. Play the
question.

We have it.

Meredith said in this, I think, most or
second most recent episode, you know, my

son is gay. You know, I'm on the board
of GLAAD.

You know, I would never out someone's
sexuality. Like, is that another, like,

roundabout?

not good defense.

I mean, that's kind of, she's using that
as a defense to say, why am I being

blamed for this? I would never out
someone's sexuality.

Not that there is a sexuality to even
out.

He said it.

Well, that question was very leading,
first of all. Yeah.

That's what this fight was about? Yeah.

Okay. I used my son and his community as
a defense for something I didn't do.

Now let me tell you something. This
seems like a huge waste of time. I'm

Okay, Andrew, maybe you think it's a
huge waste of time. No, but I'm saying

interview, it sounds like that guy led
him into a thing.

But you can't let this... Don't put the
bait then, or just say, I shouldn't have

said that. He gaslit me and denied
saying it. Okay, okay.

Was it also your perception that she
started the rumor?

His sexuality and his community to my
maximum advantage.

Do you think she started this rumor? You
know, I mean, well, this stuff was

happening. I mean, we were in the middle
of it, you know, and I didn't say

anything bad about Brooks.

I would never disrespect your kids.

This was in a different context. You
know, the way I thought looking from the

outside in was that her and Monica had
something to do with it.

During that time, you must be able to
understand how we could have thought or

could have thought that that was maybe a
backpedal. And that was my perception

at the time.

You know, and look, at the end of the
day, I didn't know you well enough to

your word for it at the time.

You know, it's about friendship.

And it's about, you know, earning each
other's trust and developing trust and

honesty and that sort of thing. I didn't
have that opportunity with you at all.

I think that was.

What's your reaction to that? Well, my
reaction to that is his wife was told at

Opryski and again at Greek Easter that I
didn't do this. So the podcast was six

to eight months after that. The only
person who brought this up was Monica.

And Monica flat out said the day she
brought it up and then again at Greek

Easter that I didn't do it. Okay. So I
don't know why they keep believing that

did. And why is she not absolved? And
let me just say, like, it's dangerous.

And Bermuda, we were, like, ready to
throw her over the boat. I didn't hear

that. Sight, sight, sight, sight.

And Apreski, she leaned in and said,
when Meredith was flying off the handle

me, she said, she is saying this.

She.

A week later, she backpedaled and said
it wasn't marriage.

She also said it was never marriage.
Because I went up to marriage and I was

like, she is saying. Go back.

I screenshot the text caption.

She is saying.

That's what led me to believe. Control
room is saying that Angie is correct.

That's what was said. So Monica told you
that it came from marriage. Justice for

Angie. Justice for Sean. But then Monica
also said that it didn't come from

marriage. She changed the story.

I looked at Monica and I said, Monica,
why are you saying I said this? I

And she goes, you did not. She didn't
say it, Angie.

And we're going to play that. I mean,
this is never going to end until you

actually play it. I'm getting angry.
Okay. We let this go. In fact, I think

finished.

Look at me. Don't go away.

Oh, no. The whole reason I came here was
not for this.

We have established... This is a load of
shit.

We have established... Have we? Because
they're still saying I did.

Meredith, they just said the control
room said, she said it. How am I

to feel when I hear that?

You don't believe Monica. You don't
fucking believe Monica. Yes, thank you,

thank you. Unless I know that you're
going to play the audio at Opry Ski when

Monica very clearly says, Meredith
didn't say it, I did.

Unless I hear that and I'm being told it
will play at the reunion, I am

finished.

The whole reason I came here was not for
this. We have established that we

didn't start this. This is a load of
shit. We have established that we didn't

start this. Because they're still saying
I did.

Meredith. They just said the control
room said she said it. How am I supposed

feel when I hear that?

You don't believe Monica.

You don't fucking believe Monica. Yes,
thank you. Thank you. Unless I know that

you're going to play the audio at Opry
Ski when Monica very clearly says

Meredith didn't say it. Hey, Meredith,
let's resolve this. Unless I hear that

and I'm being told it will play at the
reunion, I am finished.

I need a confirmation that that's going
to play because she has known about it

since the day it was said. She has an
unwarranted mean girl vendetta against

and I don't know why. Oh, I do.

Meredith. Don't leave. I think it goes a
little bit backwards. There's no point

to me saying it. If you're going to spin
me into a liar. Hold on. There was one

moment where Monica said to Angie, she
is saying this, meaning you.

She is saying that his boyfriend needs
to be quiet because they're out here in

the streets of Salt Lake City talking
about fucking your husband.

There is another moment later where
Monica said.

Meredith is not saying this. How do you
know what Meredith's talking about?

I didn't hear it from Meredith. I heard
it from the Salt Lake City streets.

Salt Lake City streets?

Her story changed. Thank you. So her
story changed. She said them both on

camera. She never said Meredith said it.
She said she said. But the most

important thing is that she told her on
camera, this is what Meredith's saying.

But the most important thing is she's
the one that brought it up. You didn't

bring it up. I'm agreeing with you.
Thank you.

All right. Okay, I'm going to move
forward.

John. You don't want to move forward.
Don't move forward. John and Justin, the

night of the Mob Wives party, the fight
between you two escalated.

Pretty quickly.

Yeah. When you watched it back, did it
play the way you remembered it?

I'm embarrassed for the second reaction
I had when I jumped in front of Justin

and apologized for that, apologized
again. It wasn't to start a fight or

anything. It was mainly just to kind of
diffuse the situation.

And obviously it didn't. I did not raise
my voice. I just leaned forward and

asked. What is she lying about? So I
know you said that you felt the second

was aggressive.

The first time I know was aggressive. I
apologize to Lisa about it being

aggressive response.

But the second time it was just a
question.

And that's why that one threw me off a
little bit. And I actually it was worse

in my head. So I felt like it was a
little bit nicer than it was.

John, in Mexico, Whitney revealed that.

You and Lisa allegedly participated in a
threesome.

Rumor.

Had you heard that rumor before, John? I
have never heard that rumor.

Well, Lisa, you associated John's name
with circle jerks while in Mexico.

Yes, I did.

God, I'm never going to get rid of this.
No, this is what happened for real. I

can't even articulate a sentence because
I'm so upset. But I was like, how would

you feel if someone said this about
Sean? How would you feel if someone said

this about you? It was an analogy. It
was an analogy, 100%. I don't think

I know you don't participate in circle
jerks. I didn't even know what a circle

jerk was until like two weeks before.

And Whitney wants to say something to
John.

I'm sorry for bringing you into that,
John. I know, based on this last year,

meanest thing that I've done to Lisa is
talk about your marriage. So I wanted to

burn that with you because I apologize.

The thing that I regret most about our
friendship is ever saying those things

about your marriage.

Good. I appreciate that. And so, John, I
didn't get the opportunity to apologize

to you yet.

Cool. Thanks. And I'm sorry. I accept
it.

Angie, you had one more thing you want
to?

You know, I think, like, for me, that
was really reckless, the whole circle

thing. And I want to be clear about this
because we're all on this show

together. And what we talked about at
the finale is getting trolled, okay?

So I finally get over having to hear
things about Sean. And then I brought it

back up. It's 2025, okay? We don't care
about gay or straight. That's not even a

thing anymore. We're raising our
daughter differently. We're raising our

children differently. And I shared this
with Andy this week. It's like Elektra

got trolled on her little horse page
from the first Bravo troll thing. Is

dad gay?

Now, our children are the most cherished
thing that we all have. So when you

bring this up, it's reckless. But you're
saying that like you never bring stuff

up that's reckless. You bring stuff up
that's reckless too.

Does a mystery man pay for your shit?

Okay,

I have one more question.

All right.

But it's like you said the nasty things
about her.

Can I even finish my point?

Thank you. Okay, very good.

Emily from Copenhagen, Copenhagen, wow,
writes, Bronwyn, watching Todd reprimand

you for arguing in the pool sounded more
like a parent scolding his child than a

husband talking to his wife.

I told you I wasn't going to deal with
this with these people. I know. I think

told you I wouldn't do this.

Neither I would leave or they could
leave.

And I'm getting there. I know.

Heather, what was your initial reaction
after watching that moment? Did you see

similarities between Todd and your ex
-husband?

I did.

I mean, I was married for a long time in
kind of a relationship that I just

wanted to make work no matter what.

Because I wanted to be married, you
know, and I wanted to like... Have the

thing work out.

And when you spoke to me, you were just
very positive. And, like, I remember you

said you're amazing.

I have worked my entire life to
overcompensate for the fact that, like,

show up as all of my friends showed up,
you know, which is, like, stunningly

beautiful. So, Heather, let me just say
something. Let me just interject.

There's no reason you should feel that
way. No. No reason. You're exceptionally

attractive.

You're dressed exceptionally well.

Okay, I went too far apparently.

There's no reason for you to feel that
way. Yeah.

And by the way, I think you're pretty
smart.

And I love that as much as anything.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

She had everything you want.

And you just felt so supportive. And I
didn't see that same energy to your

And so it made me remember what it's
like to be in a marriage where you're

seeing and you're trying to validate
yourself and get approval.

You know, be important.

I have been around them.

We're neighbors, and they've been over
to my house, and I've seen them

And we work out at the same gym as Todd,
and he's fun, and he's funny.

And he sends me selfies of her at the
gym all the time.

Todd actually is fun, and he's funny.

Justin,

why did you not feel the need to stand
up for your wife when Seth called her a

biatch?

Sean Trulilo accuses Meredith Marks of
using her son Brooks after gay rumors.

Okay,

because I had just committed to myself
that I was not going to get involved in

the drama that morning. Like I had my
own little meditation of, okay, we're

going to have, we're going to enjoy this
moment. And until I saw it, I didn't

realize how aggressive it was. Right. So
I do regret not.

having a voice at that moment in time.
Seth, when you saw it, you saw it.

I thought it was aggressive. It's a fair
assessment.

You know, we started day drinking at 7 a
.m. on Todd's private jet, which was

fantastic. There was premium in Yeho.

I was a bit impaired. The confluence of
what felt like Sean being dishonest and

then... Meredith telling me that he was
talking about my son and we're using him

as a pawn.

So there's never an excuse for name
-calling.

But if I see John on the street, I'm
going to say, what's up, biatch?

like that what's up dog like that's how
i speak like that it was aggressive

no excuse for name calling you were
inserting yourself in a conversation

regarding that reserve you can answer
too also it was not intended

the way angie just called my wife a
bitch twice okay bitch bitch

Wait, Andrew just called you a bitch?
She called you a bitch twice while I was

sitting here. Well, that's abusive
according to your husband, so I guess

an abuser.

So you're not sorry, Seth? I said I'm
sorry.

Todd, I've really been wanting to ask
you your reaction to seeing Bronwyn

share with the ladies in Mexico the
story of your emotional affair.

Well, I have to apologize because I
haven't seen it.

We talked about it, and it's just hard
to watch.

Anything that Bronwyn had shared would
be more than I'd want her to share.

It was only emotional?

Mm -hmm.

I wouldn't even say it's an emotional
affair.

There's a lot of people that Todd has
different conversations with, and I felt

like there was conversations that went
further than I would have had with

someone. Bronwyn, when they were on the
boat, come on, babe. You wept and said

he had been disloyal. You had caught him
in an affair.

What did he say to you when you asked
him about it? He said it's a fatal flaw

his. What's good for him in business is
that he's never satisfied. He's always

pushing for the next deal, the best
deal, the whatever. And it is hard to

that off when you come home. home you
are always looking for it's not hard to

turn it off when you come home it's
called marriage and fucking turn it off

you're gonna lose that would put me over
the edge i rallied hard for you you did

and i really and i because the most
times i appreciate that she said

affair so he didn't do it or he did do
it

She said emotional affair.

So he didn't do it or he did do it?

I think that the conversation with this
woman went too far. I do.

I do. I absolutely do. But I want to be
very clear about this. When I said this

to you on the boat, it was not happening
in real time. What I was trying to

explain to you is that I have an issue
where I don't feel good enough. There's

significant amount of things in my life
that have made me feel not good enough.

being a single parent, being ostracized
from the church. And when I felt like

everything I said in this group of women
was misconstrued or misunderstood or

looked at negatively, it does trigger
this narrative that I'm not good enough.

And that brings me back to a time when I
didn't feel good enough with Todd. This

is where it's confusing because you held
me very accountable for not being like,

fuck Todd.

And you guys, you, you, you and you had
a conversation where you said maybe Lisa

can relate to Todd because she's
cheated.

That's what was said. I didn't say that.
And I watched all of it. I saw it with

my own two eyes. It was not a cute
comment. You all co -signed it, and I

not say anything bad. In fact, I said,
Todd's going to be upset when he watches

this, and I hugged Bronwyn to let you
know that I was here for you, but I'm

going to talk badly about your husband.
And I said at the time,

when Todd and I talked this through,
Todd gave me a fifth anniversary gift,

it was a ring with five diamonds and
also five new promises. What were the

promises, can you say?

Support. Love.

Fidelity.

And take care of Gwen.

And transparency.

Transparency. That's right. Thank you.
So Meredith was upset because Whitney,

that conversation, you basically
inferred that Lisa and Meredith had had

affairs.

It just felt like the two of them were
defending Todd. And I was like, damn.

It hits home to them and hits the trick.

Because it's something that they've both
been accused of infidelity.

My intentions were very clearly to be
supportive of you. It was not even

questionable

And then the next thing I know, you're
having a powwow with three other women.

And it results in me and Lisa being
accused of cheating. And now I'm hearing

that this really wasn't that big of a
deal. It wasn't that big of an affair.

wasn't this and the other. Well, then
don't hold me accountable for trying to

show you both sides of the story when it
wasn't that deep to begin with. When we

got off the boat, I was very upset.

I'd just been very vulnerable.

It didn't seem like it went super well.

I came to both of you that night and I
said, I don't feel good about it.

And then you and I also had another
conversation on the beach the next day

horse riding where I specifically said,
I really appreciate that. You gave me

your point of view and it was very
vulnerable of you to share. And it is

something I need to take into
consideration.

When I was hearing that you didn't feel
supportive of me, I was just like, what

could I have done? What you said is not
wrong in any way. And it's very helpful.

It was me being in my feelings after the
boat. It was me. It's me. It is.

I wasn't in a place to hear it when you
first said it. I do feel it. I thought

we'd cleared that on the beach. But that
was not what happened.

It is what's happened for me.

It is what happened for me. All right.

Todd, Bronwyn revealed that Gwen was the
one that caught you messaging another

woman. That had to be very difficult.

Embarrassing.

Yeah.

Any of this is difficult.

Yeah. Yeah.

Angie, you said in Mexico you learned
more about Bronwyn's marriage on the

than you know about Lisa's entire life.

Do you think that Lisa only opens up
about safe topics and not what's really

going on? You know, watching that,
watching her cry, I felt really bad. And

really what I was trying to say, it's
like Bronwyn barely knew any of us, and

she divulged a lot of information.

A lot.

Right. I mean, she put her whole life
out there. Well, that's why everyone

her. That's why people love Bronwyn. It
was the first time that I had seen her

be really vulnerable.

And I felt bad for her. I said it when
we walked away.

And I guess, like, I talk to Lisa every
day, but we don't complain about our

husbands. We're not like that. It was a
total dig. She thinks I'm someone I'm

not. Move on. I should have never
brought her name into it. I think we

it's nothing.

You said that. I've never alluded.

Say who I am. I am who I am.

I am who I am. Okay. Okay. Mary know me.
The people I care about know me.

Okay.

Okay.

Marisol X3 said, Meredith, why do you
think it's okay to judge Bronwyn's

marriage when your husband has been open
about his desires to motorboat Whitney?

First of all, Seth can speak to that. I
think that was a joke.

Everyone wants to motorboat Whitney. I
don't know what to tell you about that.

I've never met anyone.

I don't think I spoke about Bronwyn's
marriage other than saying the dynamic

different than mine. Okay. Seth, do you
want to motorboat Whitney?

He got it out on the leg, man. He took
it out on the leg.

Look at these boots.

You muttered about it at the cake. I
really did.

Lisa, what was your reaction to seeing
Todd call your tequila mediocre?

Todd, like, I have to get you through a
tequila training course because... I

look forward to it. Yes, I'm going to
taste you on our tequila, every other

tequila. We win. We're award winning. We
have the highest ratings. Are you

willing to give me the tequila another
chance? Absolutely.

Okay, we got a lot of tweets wanting to
know what is the status of Seth and

Meredith's relationship.

We saw that you are in Ohio a lot. Are
you two living separate lives? How often

are you together? What's happening?

So, contrary to what Angie and Whitney
and Heather, to some extent, too,

disappointingly, said.

Seth and I are monogamous. We do not
cheat on each other.

We have a beautiful marriage that
sometimes has bumps in the road, just

marriage. And let me just tell you,
anyone who has been married for decades

says that it's always a walk in the park
and perfect is a liar.

Would I kind of do an annual review on
our marriage as long as it's above

average 51 % of the time?

I'm staying in the game. That's a pretty
low bar. It helps because we're not

together physically that often, Andy. I
highly recommend commuting. So it feels

like a first date on the weekend for me.
So I cheer every weekend and sometimes

more than that. Look, people online
accuse Brown and I of the same thing.

Some idiot wrote in some gossipy rag the
other day that I lived in different

states. Well, you know, like Seth and
Meredith, we do the same thing. I work

here in New York quite a bit.

We've had multiple homes.

Robin used to work in San Francisco. So
I totally agree with what Seth said. I

totally understand that situation.

A lot of questions on Twitter wanting to
know if you have a side chick in Ohio.

No. This is the side chick, Andy.

Yeah, it's me.

Two.

I got two.

She sure is pretty.

Well,

I want to thank the husbands for being
here.

Special shout out to Todd. You did it,
man.

We'll be right back. Thanks, Andy.

Thanks,

guys. You can pee.

I'm going to.

Hey.

Coming up... He talked about very
serious drugs that he was taking, what's

lifelike.

I watch these episodes back and I just
cringe that how much I fucking talk.

You know, self -loathing is my favorite
part.

Yeah. Four, three, two, one.

Thank you. Welcome back to the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion.

Well, last year you could barely pry
Mary M. Cosby out of a sprinter van.

This season she ziplined out of her
comfort zone and into a deep friendship

Angie, a surprising love of beer, and a
mind -bending connection to Jeffrey

Dahmer. But it was Mary's openness about
her struggles with her son, Robert Jr.,

that kept us all in tears. Watch.

When did you start not answering your
phone?

The phone didn't go through. Robert Jr.

has changed big time. He doesn't listen
to me like he used to.

Robert, are you in there?

Up!

Right now his energy is very absent.

So I'm thinking about what he's doing,
where he's at. I need to talk to him and

I need him to tell me the truth, like
the honest truth of where he's at. Tell

the gospel.

Sometimes I feel like, I don't know,
just life is like just chicken on

But I don't know, when I get high, it's
like I'm seasoning too.

I feel like I let him down somewhere.

What did I do?

You did all the right things, Mary, but
that could happen to anyone.

Yeah, but it happened to me, Angie.

You have to know I love you more than
anything.

Please, recognize it, own it.

It changed me.

You know, the amount of tweets that we
got after you

shared your story was immeasurable.

Do you feel the outpouring of love?

I do. Yeah? Absolutely.

What did that mean to you?

It means my mission was accomplished.

What was your mission?

Well, Robert and I came together and...

I told him that I was going to talk to
him, and I wanted him to openly tell me

what was his struggle, what was going
on, because I know he's absent. And we

didn't plan on what we were going to
say, but we came together and said, if

can just help one person, then we'll
just tell our truth.

And when the cameras went out, he told
me what he did, and I just

immediately wanted to help him.

the love that I've been receiving,
someone resonated, someone connected,

understood me.

What part of that conversation surprised
you the most? He had ideations of

suicide. He talked about very serious
opiates and

drugs that he was taking.

All of it. I didn't expect him to say
all that.

I didn't know that he was doing all
that. And the fact that I was unaware

me because, you know, he lived in my
house. We're so close, you know, and I

shocked.

We last saw you taking him to rehab.
Talk to me about that. How long was he

rehab? And I guess the most important
thing is.

Did he actively want to go to rehab
because it doesn't, you know, they say

doesn't really work unless you are a,
you know, participant.

You can't force someone to go. If he
doesn't want to do it and he doesn't

to change, all of it's no good. Right.
We're doing this in vain.

So what was his participation in that?

He wanted to go. He did? Yes.

I mean, in the way he was telling me and
opening up to me, that was a cry of

help. That was saying, Mom, help me. I'm
drowning.

And, you know, I don't know if it's a
problem or if I really have an

You know, he's kind of in a crossroads.
He didn't really know.

But whatever it was, he wanted to
change.

How long was he there?

30 days.

And when he came back, what's been life
like after rehab?

Good.

He's, you know, I still worry because I
feel like once you go to rehab, you need

to change your friends.

And has he done that?

Um, yeah, for the most part. He's kind
of more home -bodied now, and he's kind

of around me a lot more.

Does he have emotional support from any
sober people?

Yes. Yes, he does. And he goes to those
classes, AA classes. He does those

frequently, and he has friends he's met
from there. Good. Good.

I guess for me...

Hearing him say that he felt like a
stain

was really, as a mom, that must have
been

taking you.

Yeah, you don't want to hear your child
say that when they're not.

He's everything.

He's everything.

But he was telling me his true feelings.

Oh, God, Andy.

And when he said that, I wanted to take
everything in me to convince him

otherwise.

You're beautiful.

You're smart, intelligent.

He's worthy, you know.

And I want him to believe that. I feel
like we're our worst critics. You know,

we are really hard on ourselves, you
know. And I see that through him.

But he's really hard.

And I just don't want him to be like
that. And I wish I could change it.

It seemed like you were beating yourself
up, too, a little bit. You felt like

somehow you had failed or missed out
on... Of course you do as a mom, you

When you have a relationship with your
son and you want to give him the world,

you want him to have a better life than
you did, you know.

I picked up and moved to New York for
eight years so that he could have the

education, he could be in a diverse...

So he wouldn't be raised like I was
raised.

I was the only one in my class that was
African -American.

They would play slave movies and the
whole class would turn around and look

me.

And I do blame myself. I feel like
somewhere I missed the mark on catching

But I feel like everybody has their own
journey.

Everybody has their own testimony.

Everybody has their own story.

And I feel like that one is for him.

You did a great job.

Angie, give that to Whitney. You're the
best mom.

Oh, sorry.

Thank you. Mary did a great job, and the
way she's found the right words in the

moment, I think Robert is so lucky to
have her as a mother, and those words

could have saved his life.

You're a great example to me. Thank you.

What's been Robert Sr.'s reaction to
this?

Broken.

Strong.

How does he feel about this playing out
on the show?

He commended me, and he told me he loved
me, and I was a beautiful mom.

That must have meant a lot to you.

He told me he was proud of me.

Does he say that often?

No.

So that was a big deal. It was a big
deal, and he doesn't say what he doesn't

mean. Right.

So, yeah, and he said that I handled it
in the best way.

What an incredible testament to you that
Robert Jr.

is as open with you as he is. Thank you.

And by the way, what a testament to him
that even in the

state that he was in, which seemed
compromised, his eloquence in describing

that he felt like unseasoned chicken and
then the drugs made him feel, you know,

seasoned. I mean.

That was a great analogy. That was an
incredible metaphor.

Yeah.

He's a great boy.

He is.

Mary, you're a great mom.

You're a great mom.

Thank you, Lisa. I feel like the world's
waited a long time to see this side of

Mary.

I think the world's waited a long time
to hear anyone be that transparent about

drugs. Yeah.

And I watched it with my daughters, and
we wept, and I felt like it opened a

conversation for me with them.

Something that I could never have
broached before.

And so, like... I give total props to
Robert Jr. Like, what a kid, you know?

That's the thing. I feel like you want
to raise your kids to talk to you. You

want them to be able to come to you
about whatever it is. And that's, I

have that. That's the goal.

And I always felt compelled to make sure
that Robert could know that he can come

to me and I would never judge him. Yeah.

Angie, what did it mean to you that Mary
opened up to you during this whole

process? I felt honored that she shared
this with me. What the world saw that

day with Mary and Robert is the Mary
that I see and the Mary that I get to

to and the Mary that guided me and
talked to me about my mom and motherhood

my journey through this show.

Was there anything that you went through
with your mom to Dixon that made you

able to connect to her in a different
way, do you feel like, through this?

You know, it's so different because it's
like her son wanted to get help. And I

know that in my situation, I was too
little. And I know that I'm a really

persistent person like Mary.

And I used to think if I was old enough
that maybe I could have been part of

helping my mom. Yeah. But she said
something that I've waited like 43 years

hear. Which is? She said, I know if your
mom could do it all over again, she

would do it.

No one's ever said that.

I don't want to ruin this.

No one's ever said that to me. So that's
why I say Mary's very wise.

And she's a leader. And she finds the
right things to say at the right time.

I don't know where she comes up with
them. But she just pulls it out.

And I thank her. And she's really, I've
learned a lot from her this year. Yeah.

Whitney, you've known Mary a long time,
and you've had a rocky relationship.

I've been trying to keep these tears in.
I know, but you're clearly, you're

really, you're very emotional about
this. I know. I was hoping that if I

make eye contact with you.

What happened?

Try not to make eye contact with anyone.

You still look pretty.

Thank you.

Mary, I watched that with my kids. And I
haven't talked to my dad

since season one.

And it's hard to explain to my kids. And
for them to be able to listen to

Robert, they now understand why they
don't have a

grandpa. Thank you. I'm truly so
grateful that Robert Jr.

I was brave enough to share that because
it helped my family.

And you're still not in touch?

Mary,

I want to move on and get a little light
in the mood a little bit.

Was anyone in the group surprised by how
close Angie and Mary became?

Would they be honest?

Yeah, be honest.

Anyone? I mean, yeah. I mean, it's like
shocking. It's not shocking, but like

what was surprising is Mary's
engagement, I think, and Mary's

think that, I mean, I'm grateful for it.
I thought it was so fun, and I just

really.

I mean, we have had our ups and downs,
Mary, but like you've always like I

always think of it as like a lot of
clouds. But then like when the sunlight

would break through, I would see that
Mary that I saw in that conversation

Robert. And you've counseled me
spiritually and we have talked and had

really great heart to hearts. And like I
just was surprised and glad, I guess,

that, you know, the walls went down a
little bit and you opened up to more

friendships.

Mary, what's the update on your church?
Are you still preaching? Are the

renovations complete?

Yeah, the renovations are done. It's
beautiful.

We've had a couple services there, but
we're slowly getting back into it. But

it's good.

It's blessed.

She's preaching to this choir.

Crystal8824 on Twitter said, Mary, can
you please explain how a tampon keeps

from having to pee?

It works.

As long as you don't wear it more than
six hours.

Okay. You insert that bad boy.

Okay.

Wash your hands.

Go about your day. And I feel like it
does something with the bladder.

It shuts it off or something.

It's pressure. No, people Googled it and
it said it did. Yeah.

I Googled it this morning, actually.

And it doesn't say it worked.

It actually did say it worked. Yeah. And
he should try it. I don't think he

needs to.

We tried it on our way to Australia. Has
anyone here tried it? I did.

You did? Yeah, it worked. Okay. It
worked. Unless it was a coincidence.

it's a placebo effect. I know. It really
did seem like in five seasons of

knowing you, I mean. It did seem like
you were much lighter this season. You

were much more engaged.

Something was different in you. What was
it? I don't know, Andy. The only thing

I can think of is I felt like this time
I found a friend

that actually really, you know, was,
that really wanted to be my

friend, which is Angie. And I felt like
that having that support.

Just make me, it made me clock in.

I don't want to start anything, but I
mean, you and Meredith had a nice

friendship. Did you not feel that from
her?

I don't want to start anything, but I
mean, you and Meredith had a nice

friendship. Did you not feel that from
her?

Meredith and our friendship is very
different. But Meredith is, she's a

beautiful person and she's a beautiful
friend.

I love Meredith.

And Meredith is a busy woman. You are.
You travel the world, you know.

I feel like our lives are very
different.

And so, you know, we cross paths and
Meredith always called in and checked on

me. She was a very good friend to me.

But it was just different.

Okay. Mary, I wish I had been able to be
there for you, you know. It made me

really sad that I wasn't there to
support you and try to help you through

you know. It's okay.

I'm the type that carries my own cross.
As I say, I carry my own burden and I

don't try to, you know, put my things on
other people.

I felt you when you reached out to me. I
cried.

You know I love you. You know I love
your family. Everything you said, I'm so

thankful. Thank you.

Colin on Twitter thinks Meredith is
clearly jealous of Mary and Angie's new

friendship. Colin on Twitter can believe
whatever he wants to believe, but it's

not true.

Kai from Oceanside said, Mary and
Meredith, your friendship really fell

Mary's brunch.

Angie, stop. Leave me alone. You're
miserable.

You're miserable. You're not going to
listen to me. You go way too far. Angie!

have a narrative.

You're not going to listen to me. Get
out of my house.

I'm talking, okay? I will. Thank you.

When did you start noticing the
breakdown in your relationship?

You know, I don't know that it was like
this breakdown, so to speak. I think it

was more, we were both just very, we
know, had a lot going on.

And I felt very much under attack at
that lunch. And so I just think it was,

clashing moment?

Vince from Detroit said Mary probably
wanted Meredith to leave the second she

walked in with those bangs.

Mary, is that true?

No.

I mean, those bangs were a little bit of
a type of suffering.

Okay.

Meredith, don't.

I couldn't care less. Make fun of my
bangs all you want. It's the other stuff

that's nasty that the other women say
about me that's a problem.

Like what?

Well, should we get out the list of all
the lovely things that have been said?

Not the dossier. Here we go.

Excuse me. Do you take notes? No, these
are notes in preparation for today. Let

me get my scroll up. I've been called a
drug addict, a bulimic, a cheater,

homeless, mentally unstable, next level
psychotic disassociation, multiple

personality disorder, a snitch, a liar.
My appearance has been made fun of. My

hearing aids have been made fun of. I've
been insulted as a mother. I'm a grudge

holder, a whore, and I play the victim.
And those are the ones I can remember.

I didn't go back and forth. We can draft
each one one by one.

No, the point is...

What have you said about people? Not a
lot. You know what I mean?

You're a monster.

Get out of my face.

I had an animal, like a pit bull, going
after me. You are an ugly human being.

Honey, I've had enough of you. This is
insane.

You are a spoil.

I mean, you go low, Meredith.

Leave from Atlanta said, Meredith, how
exactly did Mary use you for three years

when she was the one who didn't talk
about your marriage or your son?

I will say that was obviously a heated
moment and probably not the nicest way

say it, but it was how I felt in that
moment because I felt like I had been

there for you for all of these years.
And then, like, all of a sudden, I felt

disposable. So how did I use you,
though?

Because I was the only one around during
that time who you were interacting

with. And I used you?

Well, that's how I felt at the time. I'm
not saying that you did. I mean, I

don't use anybody. That's how I felt
when suddenly you turned. I've never

anyone in my life.

And to say that is kind of my character.
And I appreciate if you just say that

it wasn't true.

Yeah, I just said that. That's just how
I felt in the moment. I'm not, I don't

think that is true. Where does your
relationship stand today?

I mean, I think we're on a positive path
forward. I hope.

Give me a hug, Meredith.

I love you. I love you.

Angie, you got to get straight with her.
I love her.

Well, that's why we're here.

Her boobs are, like, are they smaller?

Yeah.

What are we doing here? Do you not
remember that she got a reduction at the

beginning of the... No girl back in a
year. No.

I know, right?

Do you need to donate some of your
tissue to science? Figure this out. I

love it. All right. Well, very nice.

Happy to see that. Love a hug. Me, too.

Love a hug. That was a good one. That
was a great one. Thank you. You're

welcome.

Next week is the dramatic conclusion of
the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

reunion. He's a lawyer. She should be
able to take me out. I'm a fucking

school student.

I am not going to let you spread lies
about me. I've had enough of them. And

still recovering from that. Okay, we'll
get over it then. It happened and it's

done. So hopefully you are too.

have fucked me over so many times. I am
one of six kids.

I could have been trafficked and my
parents wouldn't have noticed.

Why can't you burn this? Because you
keep doing it. Stay out of this. I want

burn this with Lisa fucking Barlow. No,
I'm not. You lied.