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Previously on The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City. Jack is going to serve a

mission for our church.

No way.

Have you told Heather?

No. You're a door -to -door salesman.
You are knocking on doors, selling the

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day
Saints. That's all it is.

Mom, I need your help with the kids.

I'm good for two hours.

There are...

rumors out there about Angie that I have
heard.

Do you know what the rumor is?

Angie needs to know. The rumor is that
Sean likes other men.

Are you kidding me?

You know, she's a sick bitch.

Hey, Meredith, do you have a second?

Hey, Meredith, do you have a second?

Sure. Okay, come on over here. Quiet.

Well, you know, I'll just kind of get
right to the point. It sounds like you

out spreading rumors about my marriage
and my husband.

I obviously don't need to go into detail
because...

You know what it is. I don't know what
you're talking about. There are rumors

about you. But you are outspreading
them.

You have said it to multiple women in
the group. And I have been told by the

girls that you are saying things about
my husband and other men.

And Meredith, you know what? I'm not
talking about your husband.

First of all, I've not talked to women,
so I don't know what you're saying.

You did.

You said that in the airport. You said,
what are you talking about?

Oh, maybe I thought I was her husband,
but that's all I thought. You've gone

after every marriage in the group when,
meanwhile, you're the only one that's

out spreading their legs outside of
their marriage.

I've been with my husband for almost 30
years.

Okay, run away, Meredith. I don't talk
to people who don't speak to me with

respect. Was that respectful,

Meredith? I never spoke to you with
disrespect. Learn how to speak to me

respect.

You know what? There's no result. She
runs away.

You guys, I'm glad we all got together.

I'm so glad.

any of us.

Hey, don't turn your back on me. I'm not
done talking to you. If you're going to

spread rumors about my marriage, then
you're going to look me in the eye and

you're going to address it.

What's going on?

It's so bad.

Did you like it when she spread rumors
about you getting blowjobs for jazz

tickets?

It's rumored that one of your business
partners that has the jazz tickets, that

you've been involved in.

Who repeated that rumor? You or me? I
didn't know it. You told me that you

performed sexual favors.

Make eye contact. Stop deflecting from
your fucking stuff. I don't speak with

people who talk to me. Meredith, don't
touch me. No, I want to... Don't talk

about my marriage. Don't touch me. Run
away, Meredith.

I don't speak to people who treat me
like this. They only want to slap their

legs outside their marriage with you.

Not me. Talk to yours. Deal with your
marriage. Leave mine alone.

With respect to other people. With
respect, you're spreading lies.

I didn't spread anything, Angie. You are
spreading lies.

I didn't spread anything, Angie. You
spread to multiple women in the group,

Meredith. She spreads lies about
people's marriages.

Okay,

okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay. What is it?

Monica, what just happened? She's done
everybody's marriage.

When Meredith told me there were rumors
about Sean and Angie... If I were to go

for the jugular and talk about this...

The rumors, the nastiness about her.

Who can do that?

You know what? You want me to go there
with her husband?

I can go there.

I was really hoping it was just a
drunken comment, not something you're

intending on acting on, spreading. I
just cannot believe she's doing the same

thing again.

Monica, what just happened? She's full
of shit. Wait, wait. What just happened?

I want to hear it from you.

You guys, gal, I'm done with them.

What just happened?

When he was like, let's tell Angie, and
I'm like, let's tell her. What was it,

though? What was there to tell?

That Sean does men. No, he does not.

That he has, like, boyfriends running
around the city bragging about their

I can't believe I wasted another outfit
on this event.

Like, where's the food?

Like, what are we eating?

Monica, I have never heard that in my
life.

Everyone wants to pretend like they
haven't heard it. On my kids, on my

have never heard that in my life.

But all of these women have heard about
this, have talked about this, or have

spread this.

Some fake shit. That's some Utah shit.

Have you heard that?

Yeah, I haven't.

You haven't heard that in Salt Lake?
People always speak about male

hairdressers. This is Utah.

I've been to family reunions. If a guy
wears a cardigan, they think he's gay.

And as soon as she married a guy that
had tapered pants and custom -made

the rumors started flying.

Wait, Lisa, is there no food?

No, there's lots of food. There's, um,
let me see.

Emily, is Emily around?

Yes, no problem.

Can I have it to go? Okay.

Perfect.

Can you have them make her some fresh
flatbread? Yeah.

A press pizza is what we need.

You get on your own.

Sorry. I have a good life. I'm really
happy. I have a great marriage. You

worry about her.

Yeah. Love you. Love you. I'm sorry.

Where's my box? How long is it going to
take this guy?

Okay, thank you. We don't have a pizza
box, unfortunately. You couldn't have

it in the box yourself?

For customer service?

I just didn't want to touch it with my
hands.

Oh. Now you're lazy.

I feel so sorry for you. You're so
miserable. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for you,

honey.

Good Lord, girl.

Bye. I'll talk to you soon.

Bye, ladies.

Crazy way to end things.

There's something wrong with her, Lisa.
She has a weird thing with me. I don't

know what it is, and it's not my
problem, and I'm not interested.

It's crazy.

All I know right now is I need to take a
moment and think about how we move

forward together as friends. You know,
like, I can't believe that Meredith is

playing victim right now. Like, the real
victim in this situation is Angie

and me. It's my party.

Thank you. Be safe going home. Thanks
for being Kathy.

I was raised that family is number one.
It's the ultimate. And my family is my

whole world. And I'm lost without Sean
and Elektra.

And for somebody to attack that or
question that could really

devastate my family.

Oh, my God, coffee. I didn't sleep well
last night.

Are you okay?

So many crazy things went on last night
that I haven't even been able to

wrap my head around at all. There were
some weird things that came up, and I

didn't want to say anything before bed
because I was wiped out when I came

But I was a little shocked at some
things that Meredith was saying.

She started eluding to the fact that she
could destroy our family and that you

actually like men.

Or, you know, you are hooking up with
men on the side.

What a f***ing idiot.

That's been a thing for you that you've
had to listen to for 30 years, you

know. You're a hairdresser, so you're
automatically gay.

The bottom line is, gay, straight,
whatever, it's the adultery part of it

bad. I mean, I know I don't have to
explain this to you. No, listen.

It's crazy.

It's nuts. It's a smear campaign. And to
what end is this woman willing to go

to?

What did we do?

Don't let this bother you.

Okay, because I stood up for my family.

And I stood up for our marriage and for
our family unit.

I don't... Sean, she's a

miserable bitch. Don't let her get to
you.

You know, Electra's going to hear about
this.

And it...

kills me to think that she would ever
think that I would do something like

She's not going to think that.

And you know, she knows who her mom and
dad are.

I've been working my ass off to be her
hero.

But you are.

And the way that you handle this is
going to show her she's going to admire

even more.

You know, it's very dangerous to make
accusations of infidelity in the Greek

community because we are practicing
Orthodox.

We got married in the Greek Orthodox
Church 24 years ago, and infidelity is,

again, our religion.

Sean and I might have our problems, but
being under attack, we are a united

front no matter what. You know, if
somebody comes for my family, my

they're not welcome here anymore.

She's not welcome in this home.

I don't want to be around her at all.

Rise and shine.

Ladybug.

80 bugs.

Okay, start waking up, okay?

I'm going to start making breakfast.
Don't go back to sleep.

Wake up, boy.

Okay, we're all getting up, okay?

Are you tired, too?

You look like you're still asleep.

Rise and shine.

As a single mom, my life consists of
running my kids everywhere all day.

Every day. I mean, four different
schedules, literally four different

This one likes football. This one likes
gymnastics.

This one likes art. You know what I
would like?

Oh, my God.

Five hours of extra sleep.

Mom? Are you burning the house down
again?

What are you doing?

Oh, good. You found your shoes.

What's wrong with this one? What the
heck happened? I know.

Did Chap chew that?

Probably. Chap.

My childhood was very different from my
kids.

Growing up, we moved around so much
because my mom was always looking for

something bigger and better.

A lot of times that was at my expense.

I think there is some resentment there
for that.

Do you guys have your backpack?

Let's go. Jade, we're going to leave
without you, girl.

Now!

I've always been searching for stability
because I never had that.

The only thing that I can count on with
my mom is that there's nothing to count

on with my mom.

Who the freak stalks around here?

Who stalks around here? in the yard. I
know I'm not a perfect mom, but I also

know that my children will always be
provided for, and they will always have

essentials.

Yesterday, you and Lily were playing
outside all day.

Did you have so much fun?

Yeah. And then Lily had to go inside, so
I went inside.

Was that before or after you said the B
word, Wesley?

It was an accident.

An accident?

I was supposed to say boner.

Boner? Okay.

Wow. Where did you learn that word?

Boner isn't a bad word.

Boner is a bad word.

What? Yeah, boner isn't a bad word.

Did you just trip up the curb?

No, I flipped.

There was secret ice.

Yeah, stay away from that secret eye.

Thanks, Jack.

I'm open to having anything else. How
are you doing today? How are you? Good,

good. Good, good. Do we have an
appointment today? We do for two. Okay,

ahead and sign in for me real quick.
Okay, thank you. So let me have you in

seat here.

Thank you.

Awesome. How are you?

Hello. Hi.

Oh my gosh, I love that the water's hot.

Okay, so what's going on for prom?

I just asked a very beautiful young lady
last night. She said yes?

Yeah.

Are you excited?

Yeah, I'm so pumped.

Does she know you're going on a mission?

You know, a lot of people here pay their
kids to go on mission or blackmail them

or say like, go or you're going to
embarrass the family. Like there's

pressures in Utah. But Jack has been
raised non -Orthodox. And so I'm still

processing everything. Like the fact
that I'm not going to have my son for

years is like a lot for a mom.

Every single second with him, I just
want to be like the best second with

It's a good thing he's big into men's
grooming.

It's a bonus.

In my friend group, everyone was, like,
shocked.

And with Heather, she asked me some
questions, like, does he know it's going

be hard?

And I'm like, yeah, Heather. He's like,
good. I just couldn't get where she was

going with it.

Whitney told me that Jack's going on a
mission.

Yeah. If you pitch to his firm, would
you tell him to go or not?

Heather, we have to table this for
another day.

Like, it's really none of her business.

It's not like he's doing anything bad. I
mean, he chose to serve a mission

instead of like meth or like teenage
pregnancies.

I feel like you've made the appropriate
steps to like be prepared for this.

What about the Book of Mormon? Have you
read that?

Yeah, I'm reading it right now. What do
you think of it?

It's very action -packed. Really?

Yep. That's interesting.

No, I have not read the Book of Mormon.

But based on the things I'm hearing
about this book, I kind of want to read

They could turn it into a movie and
they'd, like, do good. I'm, like,

that Jack is reading it before me.

I am an avid reader.

Heather asked me if you've gone through
the temple yet, and I'm like, not yet.

She goes, are you or John going to go?
And I'm like, definitely John. I'm like,

I just have to think about, like, what's
right for Jack.

Going to the temple is, like, next level
commitment.

And, you know, like you're going to have
to wear garments. And I respect the

garments. And so, you know, I don't do
that.

I go to church every Sunday. The
difference is the pretty buildings, the

temples, you have to be worthy to go in
them.

But your dad 100 % will be in there with
you.

Do you know what I mean?

Yep. Like I might not feel worthy
because I drink too much Diet Coke.

might not feel worthy because they drink
too much alcohol.

Like someone might not be worthy because
they're hitting it with their neighbor.

I mean, there's lots of reasons you
don't go.

It's not like I'm doing anything wrong,
Jack, but I could do more right.

Like, there's been a night that I don't
go to bed, like, thinking, like, was I a

good enough mom today?

Clearly, I'm a great mom if you made
this decision.

No, the decision was all me, though.
That's why I didn't tell you.

I know.

I'm excited.

I'm excited for you.

I love you.

Love you. I love you so much.

My little bestie. Yep.

Tell me not. I think Heather finally is
willing to try and learn to trust me.

She has never given me that. This is
bullshit.

Hello. Oh, good. Oh, my gosh, you guys.

I love coming to a Greek house because I
know I'm going to eat. You're going to

eat?

We brought you something.

Yeah, we brought you all the necessary
things. Wow, thank you.

Come on in.

Is Sean here?

He just took a lecture. Oh, we did?

Oh, my gosh, I love this. All my
favorite things.

Help yourself.

Do you have Diet Coke?

Oh, Lord.

It's okay if you don't. I can grab one
on my way home. She probably has one in

her car.

In fact, I did. I saw a cup. On a normal
day, I would have grabbed you some.

No, no, no. I'm like, you know, little
sleeves of pride.

How are you feeling?

Good.

I'm still processing. I mean, I feel
like I'm half asleep right now.

Do you guys want to sit down and I'll
bring this over here? Yeah, no, we can

down. I am definitely worried about
Angie. I know what it feels like. I went

through this. I mean, I wish someone had
checked in on me last year and said I

had to go to bed eating a burrito.

I'm so grateful that you guys are here.
I just keep looking at you and it's like

this sort of sense of relief because
this has been hard to put a smile on my

face in front of my daughter and talk to
Sean this morning about it. I just, I

told him he cried. Oh my gosh. Because
now there's a little person involved.

You know, to see him like that just
crushed me. But because of the impact

going to have on Electra.

She's going to hear this and it's out
there. How is this going to affect my

daughter?

He's like, I've been working so hard to
be her hero and like

everything that I've worked for.

And I would never want her to think that
I would do that to our family.

And I was just in your shoes.

No one believes this bullshit.

You and Sean are like me and John. We
work together. We do everything

We're a family.

We know where your husband sleeps.

He sleeps in your bed with Electra every
night.

We all go to bed at the same time.

And last night when we went to bed, she
grabbed and held my hand and I fell

asleep with her little hand in mine.

And I just thought, you know, this is
what matters.

And the biggest thing here is how am I
going to navigate this in front of her?

I'm in a weird position because I'm
trying to build a friendship back with

Meredith. But like in my head, I'm like,
no, no, no, no, no. Pump the brakes.

Because how do I stay silent when she's
like literally the exact same thing

doing to you what she did to me?

It's literally a formula.

And you just it's like take Lisa's name
out and Sir Angie's. My advice is.

Do not feed into Meredith. You did
nothing wrong. Learn from my experience

year. I wish I would have just been
like, stop, move on. She is not worth

No.

Why is Monica saying so much, though?

I honestly felt like Monica, like she
had heard the rumor and she was like, I

want to be a good friend to Angie, like
in the moment. She makes up stuff, just

like that Snoop Dogg plane ride.

I know, but the point, like, I think
that, yes, you and Monica had an

interesting time in Palm Springs, and
there was that whole thing, but I think

is important to remember that she had
the courage to tell you, like, she was

being a good friend to you.

Well, I'm grateful you both sat me down.
I am.

Monica's not the one to be blamed for
this just because she said what the

was. She's Meredith's decoy, and I just
can't believe that Lisa is really, like,

falling for it too like meredith is the
one who started this it was a rough one

and i you're doing so well like you're i
honestly thought we're gonna come over

to yeah you were so tough you were so
tough yesterday too like you're strong

yeah well thank you i do have to ask how
do you feel about heather after

yesterday

So, you know, I told her, I'm like,
you're the last one to know, but Jack's

going on a mission.

And, you know, I'm like, this is a
positive experience for Jack.

I don't need to argue it with Heather.

I want you to know, after Palm Springs,
I've seen a different side of Heather.

And she invited me to her house.

He said a lot of mean, horrible things
to me about my life.

And I'm sorry. Look, you see, and I get
hot and say things.

And I apologize. I have to say, I had
mad respect for you. Like, I don't think

could have survived that trip the way
you did.

And I want to apologize that I didn't
show up for you at all.

I'm really sorry. Well, the fact that
you are acknowledging that means the

to me. It gives me a glimmer of hope
that you and I can move forward.

And look, I was honored, actually, that
she invited me into her home because...

I've known her since I was 15, and I
don't like the tension.

I think Heather finally opened up to me,
and she said that in Palm Springs, she

really felt bad that she sat back while
I was taking all that.

I think because it felt layered on, and
she thought, you know, she was part of

it. Layers are never good. She was part
of it. I think she started to feel

really guilty about it.

Yeah, it was layered. Oh, I know what it
feels like to be layered on. I know you

do. I've seen it.

I don't know. She was like really
receptive. She was kind and that she

took a lot of shit.

You have a lot of grit.

Oh my gosh, you're lucky she gave that
to you. She's never done that with me.

Well, and look, for real, like, a lot's
going through my mind right now. And

then, like, I'm happy for you, but she
has never given me that, like, ever,

Angie, ever.

It's taken me a long time to get there.
And I have mixed feelings about it.

I am literally getting triggered by this
because I'm like, where was this

friendship last year? Like, this is
f***ing bulls***.

The amount of crap I have gone through
and that she has seen me gone through,

like I've had to put my hurt aside with
a lot of things.

And for me, I'm like, you know why? Last
year, Heather, if you even cared a

tenth about me, you would have come to
me and said to me like, hey, guess what?

You took a beating. I saw you just
getting brutalized. I feel bad about it.

It is so upsetting to me because where
are my accolades for putting up with

people talking about my family, my
business, me behind my back?

It's like, Angie, you had a bad weekend
in Palm Springs. I had to endure it for

three. In years. Listen, Ange, you just
went through shh yesterday.

Like, literally, this is not about me,
but I have had literally, when you had

times 10, Ange, I know this thing sucks
and it's so raw, but it came and it

wouldn't stop. I know.

Somebody told Henry last week that
they're like, oh, there's naked pictures

your mom online.

Henry lost his mind. He called me
hysterically crying. He's in fifth

And because of all this other stupid
stuff, it made him think for a minute,

like. Maybe there is that about my mom.
I get it, Lisa.

Lisa's reaction is very shocking to me.

Like, I had no idea that she was
harboring so many feelings from last

But, like, Lisa, read the room. The
timing is not right.

Like, we came over here to make Angie
feel better.

I had this kicked out of me emotionally,
and I was just like...

Because no one's there for me for a
time, and I'm just like, whatever.

Is it hard to sit here and hear that she
got invited over, got an apology, and

you never did? Oh, I want to get to know
you?

I have never gotten that from Heather.

I like myself too much. Like, I like who
I am. I like myself too much to even

deal with this. I'm good with you guys.
That's all I care about. Everybody else

will figure it out.

It's been a little bit of a rough few
days.

After my friend Kathy and I left Lisa's
party.

She's not my problem. She's her own
problem.

We got in the car and we're driving for
about 15 minutes or so in a terrible,

terrible snowstorm.

And our driver lost control of the car.

On one side of the road was the cliff
and the other side was the snowbank.

It appeared that we were going to go
over the cliff.

And he somehow gained enough control to
steer us into the snowbank.

It was terrifying.

I thought I was dying.

I thought my last interactions of
significance were what just happened at

party that was just ugly and mean.

And I decided I really want to spend my
time with the people that I care about

the most.

Because we never know when it's ending.

I'm like, I'm, I'm, yeah.

Can we come back to this?

So what's going on on the dating front?

Nothing serious with anyone. I mean, I
just got out of like a serious

relationship.

So I feel like that's the last thing
that I want.

Well, it was a great first relationship,
you know? I mean... Well,

yeah, I completely agree.

He was fun and, you know, moving on.

Watching Brooks navigate his first
relationship was incredible.

What do you want? What are you looking
for?

I don't know.

And now Brooks has become, you know,
more secure in his own being.

Do you know what you don't want?

I don't know what I don't want.

It's wild to see him feeling comfortable
and open.

I like that dad brings me coffee in bed
every morning. I don't need my boyfriend

to do that.

Well, if you have a date or someone
especially you want to invite, I'm

that you guys will all come to the Platt
Awards in LA.

They have asked me to sit on the host
committee and they've asked me to join

board. Thank you.

Most supportive mom I know.

Thanks, honey.

Are you so excited to go snowshoeing?

Yes, however, this weather is a little
intimidating.

I like how you're just using your
goggles and sunglasses while you drive.

Thanks. I like that you're wearing a 40
-inch ponytail when we snowshoe.

We're here.

The land of snowshoeing.

Woo!

Okay, let's do it.

Wow.

Here's your snowshoe.

Okay, let's see if I can figure this
out.

I have done this before.

You want help?

Let me be your ski concierge.

Ow! Sorry, sorry.

It's like a stretch putting these on.

Maybe you should stretch a little more
often.

Trust me, I get stretched all the time.

Okay, enough.

Let's go.

Come on.

I'm not running.

Coming up. Don't just walk into my
house.

I'm knocking. Nobody answers the door.

I could be having sex 69 on the couch,
and you would just walk in and see it,

and we would never be the same again.

Hey, Monica, Nana's hungry.

Can we get Nana some lunch before we go
to the senior center?

Yeah, sure. Nana, are you hungry?

She likes the fish sandwiches at
McDonald's. Oh, my gosh.

No, not today.

Moving around so much as a kid, I didn't
get to know my cousins and

aunts and uncles.

But my grandmother and I were always
very, very close. And a large fry. My

grandmother and I are like soul sisters.

I know my time with her is limited, and
I definitely don't take it for granted.

Nana, do you want some ice cream?

No? Ooh, Nana, you want a French fry?

Give her her sandwich. She's hangry.

Oh. As soon as she sees the center
ladies, she'll perk up.

As soon as she sees her friends. Nana,
you love your program, huh?

Did you meet my daughter?

This is Olivia's granddaughter.

Yes. It's nice to meet you guys.

My grandma loves coming here so much.
She loves you guys so much.

I'm going to come sit right here.

What are you guys playing?

So when Marie calls, like a private
club, you put it in here.

Oh, okay.

What are we playing for? Are we playing
for money?

Jack of clubs. Jack of clubs.

Oh,

Nana.

You're the best dealer. She's got the
energy.

I'm out.

Mom, do you want to go get some coffee?

Okay.

You know what? I think you can find a
man here.

Oh, my gosh. Just come and scope out
the... What about the one old citizen?

cutest one is leaving. He's leaving.
Story of my life.

Go get his number. Shut up.

Oh, my gosh. I had a date Thursday that
I have to tell you about.

Oh, God.

Yeah. Okay, let's sit down.

To a club.

All right, can I tell you about my date?
How old is he? He's two years younger

than me. So he's close to my age.

That's good. Yeah.

Because they never... Hey.

Anyway. So he hits me up on Thursday and
he invited me to spend the weekend with

him. Did you have fun?

He ghosted me.

You must have done something.

I did.

Queen of diamonds.

What did you do? I told him.

Queen of hearts.

Yeah. What? That even though I'm not
Mormon anymore, I'm still celibate.

I don't believe in sex before marriage.

Mom! It is confusing that she is still
following the doctrine but

has left the church.

Somehow, I think it makes her feel like
a better person.

Okay, I may be doing this or I may be
doing that, but I'm not having sex

marriage. Do you still consider yourself
Mormon?

I struggle with it, genuinely.

Do you want to raise the girls in the
church?

Because I believe wholeheartedly that
those girls need Jesus.

They need scripture.

They need prayer. They need to learn how
to pray. Okay, stop. Stop, for real.

Because when you left the church, you
came to me, and you apologized for

me in the church. No, I didn't. Yes, you
did.

You were like, I'm so sorry that I
raised you in this.

I don't remember that. That's wild,
because I will never forget that.

But now you want me to raise my kids in
it.

Do you know what I'm saying?

What I think is important is family
prayer.

It's a joy to be the spiritual leader of
your family. Okay. Every Sunday, we

never missed. We went to church every
Sunday. And guess what? Your daughter

still got knocked up at 19.

You are literally saying, if you don't
go to church every Sunday, I'm raising

kids wrong.

I do more with my kids than you ever did
with me.

And that is a fact.

I was a single parent. I was a single
parent. Making almost no money.

I made $6 .25 an hour when I had Bree. I
was on food stamps. I was on state

assistance. I was on all the things.

We need to stop having a pissing
contest.

I'm your mother.

I am not your equal. There has to be
boundaries.

You don't want to go there. I do.

Okay, let's talk about a boundary that
you literally cannot learn, which is

don't just walk into my house.

You just walk in.

I could be having...

Sex. 69.

On the couch.

And you would just walk in and see it,
and we would never be the same again.

Four clubs.

All right.

Lock your door if you're going to have
69 on the couch.

I'm just saying, let's start with that
one. That would be great.

Okay, what else? Don't say nasty things
about me like when you forgot to hang up

on me on the phone the other day. I
didn't know you were on the phone.

Recently, we were having a disagreement.

She thought...

that the call dropped and it hung up,
and it did not. You piece of shit. I

hate your finger, you bitch.

I can't stand you. Nikki, on this place,
you don't talk dirty.

That was your daughter. That's what she
said. I was repeating it, Nana.

I don't care who it is.

Not dirty here.

Mom, honestly, it's not fucking funny.

I'm so sorry.

I wish I could say that was the first
time that had happened or that that

normal.

But that's very on par for my mom. Like,
in my

worst days, when I'm upset, I don't talk
about hating my children's guts.

I really don't. I've never, like, I
can't even imagine saying that.

Hi.

Who's this cool girl sitting over here?

And she's not even watching me, too.
Really?

I tried to turn up.

You're going to snatch your entire fit,
too.

I love it. I wouldn't want to ski with
you if you weren't matching.

Solid? Solid.

You are going to fly.

Fly, bye.

Oh, we should hit that little jump.

That's kind of a cool, cool contraption.
Yeah.

I'll give myself a break. You're going
to do a break? Yeah.

Does that feel better?

Yeah, thank you.

Fun party the other day. Oh, Lisa's
party? Yeah. Did you have a good time?

I mean, I had fun until the end, so it's
crazy.

I know. I talked to Lisa about Jack
going on his mission at the Apres Ski,

she was like, you're the last person
I've told.

And I was like, why didn't you want to
tell me? I know more about missions than

anybody here.

Why was I the last to know?

It seems like it's just like a...

sore spot for you like it doesn't bug
you it doesn't bug you i don't really

like honestly good for him good for him
yeah i think that he's

doing what he thinks is good for him at
this point in his life and you don't

have any global feelings about that in
terms of like the mormon church oh i

global feelings about the mormon church
but i don't really think about jack and

his relationship with the church

Whitney choosing to say good for him
makes no sense. It's absurd.

How can the church be this horrible,
traumatic thing that's ruined your life

that you wrote a letter to get away
from?

Heather, you printed it.

This is the letter.

But also be good for him to go out there
and convert more people to live it. You

don't feel conflicted about it when he's
actually going to go door to door

telling people to join the Mormon church
when you've just left it.

If I'm hearing you, do you feel like
it's just hypocritical?

No, I just think we are acting all
supportive and excited about a guy

going to go out there and sell a church
that we know can be very destructive and

not give them any of the details, just
have them sign on the dotted line

that's what we do as missionaries. And
I'm conflicted because I, of course, I

had good experiences and learned a
language and got to see France and had

these things that didn't ruin my life on
my mission, but I also...

had to convince people who didn't want
to change their lives to join the Mormon

church. And I feel shame about that.
Like, I feel bad that I changed and

a lot of people's lives with such
conviction.

And if he was recruiting for another
institution that had the same issues, we

would not be like, I don't care.

It's each his own. What are you
expecting me to do? Go knock on the door

like, stop this?

I feel like we're not being honest about
church history.

That it's homophobic, that it
disacknowledges any sort of transgender.

It just says it doesn't exist.

These are my feelings about the church.

I know that they're not everyone's
feelings about the church, but they are

Whitney's. From what she's expressed to
me and what we have discussed and what

we have cried about and bonded over, she
felt the very same way.

It's completely sexist, misogynistic,
bigoted, and it has a horrible

racist history. And so I feel like I'm
in this like zone of where I'm trying to

like form a new identity in a community
that's telling me that I'm wrong.

And that's how I feel writing this book.
Like I feel like I walk into a room and

everybody like assumes I'm their enemy.

And I feel like that's kind of how Lisa
felt. She didn't want to tell me about

Jackson because she assumed I was going
to feel a certain kind of way because I

wrote a certain kind of book.

It's interesting that you say that
because I was with Lisa and Angie the

day, and Lisa had this major reaction to
hearing that Angie came over to your

house. She got mad that Angie came to my
house? Yes, I think she was, like,

jealous. Like, she was hurt.

I'm really confused by Lisa. I don't
know what she wants from me. If she

to like have a compassionate friendship,
you'd think she would tell me about

Jack's mission and include me in all of
that. But she didn't. But she's upset

that I would extend myself to Angie.

Like she was really like butt hurt about
it.

I've never seen anything like it before.

Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City.

Monica came to me like, I'm your friend.
I want to tell this.

rumor to you she's not your friend
that's the bottom line i don't break

cry very often and to see your wedding
ring in the drawer every day that hurts

me

I just wanted to start off by welcoming
everyone to our Greek Easter lunch. Your

experience growing up in the church was
totally different than my experience.

You can't tell me that you have a
different level of Mormonism. Our

the same. You wrote a book about being a
bad Mormon. I'm focused on my kid being

a good Mormon.

The difference between you and me is I
don't hide it.

Everyone here is talking behind your
back. I'm the only one saying it to your

face.

Stop it.

Are you serious?

What is happening?