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Previously on The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City. You're the least Mormon

person on the planet. I'm 100 % Mormon.

That's why my kid's serving the Lord.

So Monica, what's going on with the car?

I pay for everything, but it's in my
mom's name. So every time she gets mad

me, she takes the car.

Left me without a car and my four kids.

My intent was never to cause harm.

And that's where I want to end it. I'm
done. I feel good, Monica. I don't want

to have bad feelings with you.

Should I go ask them to leave?

Hi. Hi.

So nice to meet you in person.

Hi. Yes. So excited. Hi. Hi, Heather.

Nice to meet you.

So tell me a little bit about your
event. Okay, so I'm trying to set a vibe

that's, like, a lot more book clubby
because the last event we did was, like,

900 people.

Right. So this I want to be, like, much
more intimate. Like, people have chairs,

they have drinks, you know. The routine
is basically I get up there, like,

someone introduces me, and then I do,
like, a spiel. Like, I talk, I do a

reading from the book, I talk about the
experience of writing the book. So

having kind of, like, a stage presence
here, a rug, and kind of, like, a little

bit more of imposing.

Intimate feeding.

This is going to be great.

There you are.

Hi, pretty girl.

Look at you.

Should we brush your hair?

Does that feel good?

Let's get your pom -poms. There we go.

So pretty.

Yes. Can you see better now?

Should we get your hair out of your
eyes?

How's it going?

Well, I'm just, like, enjoying it. Are
you tired?

No, I'm sorry. I'm in pajamas because
Justin's away on a business trip. I

wear that out.

But I'm just, like, living it up, Lisa.
I'm, like, my first night off from

having an event.

People in town.

Yeah, people in town. So I'm, like, I'm
making a charcuterie board and pouring

wine. Oh, my gosh. And letting the kids
watch a movie. I'm going to just chill.

Oh, my gosh. Heather's calling me right
now.

Heather. What's up, Lisa Barlow?

I'm at Whitney's. Say hi to Whitney.

Hi, Heather.

Oh, hey, Whitney.

I'm with my besties.

Two little peas in a pod.

Lisa, I have an idea. It's a little bit
of a shtick. I don't know if we'll be

into it, but I thought you could
introduce me at the book tour event.

We could come up with something fun.
We're like, you'll have the mic. You'll

on stage. You can sing. Okay.

Like, Away in a Manger or... I'm in.

I love it.

Okay, well, thanks.

All right, bye, Heather.

Okay, bye.

Dude, don't you love me?

Now I think we have to read the book.

No, we have to read the book. At least
the parts about us.

Can I sit by you? No, sit by me.

I'm, like, inhaling food. Are you going
to eat? Yeah, I am. I'm going to grab a

napkin real quick.

I even have prism left over. Oh, my
gosh, I love those.

You probably didn't see those at the
event, did you? No, I didn't get to see

much. It was all a blur. I remember the
beginning and kind of the end, and that

was it.

So, what the f*** happened?

Um, I don't know. It was so weird. The
whole thing was so weird. I'm, like,

mortified that the two of you behaved
that way at my, like,

prism event. Because Lisa... I didn't
start it. I did not start that. I don't

care who started it. Okay.

Like, you both should have enough...
self -awareness and self -control to

realize that you're screaming and
yelling at my business. What did you

scream? Oh, I could hear you scream.
What did I scream? Stop it.

Please stop talking to me.

Stop it. Stop it. I said, please stop
talking to me. She would not stop. I

even know where she was.

Okay, so it's my fault. Monica's
ridiculous. No, it's both of your fault.

equally upset with both of you.

Probably a little more upset with you
because I know that you know my brand.

know my heart. You know my journey.

Are you kidding me? You of all people
should not be talking to me about event

etiquette. Did you forget about Coach
Shaw's birthday party?

Why are your friends saying they're
scared of you? They're not my friends.

I don't know.

And you're like chastising me?

Maybe I should be mad at her for having
a cash bar and no food.

You deserve an apology, Whitney.

That's like, I am so sorry that that
happened at your event.

I'm so sorry. I'm responsible for
staying.

And I'm confused by Ange's behavior,
too, because I don't feel like she likes

Monica. I don't think Monica likes her.

I don't know what their side
conversations are. Are you upset with

that? I'm not upset with her. I'm hurt
by her. I'm basing it together. And when

you left, you were upset because Ange
and Monica were hugging. I got to go to

kids. Look at this. Hugging. Hugging,
hugging it out.

Like, I honestly think it's so weird.

Well, it contradicts what Ang says. The
ocular doesn't match the words.

I do think that there is this weird
sense that Angie has to please you. I do

it.

I think maybe Angie does placate to your
emotions and not want to upset you. No.

Because she loves you and adores you.
No, that's not the case. That's not the

case. Has she ever stood up to you?

I think that you're triggered over Angie
and Monica. I'm going to tell you

exactly how I feel so nobody has to
guess. I have no problem with Monica

than she upset my friend.

That is it. End of story. So I'm not
triggered by their friendship. I'm

triggered by the fact that I'm like,
what the are you doing, Ang?

It can be very difficult to talk to Lisa
because Lisa can only see things from

her perspective.

And if you don't agree with that
perspective, she takes it as you are

her. So I understand why Angie is very
hesitant to tell Lisa how she feels

because Lisa is going to take it as a
personal attack.

I don't care if they're friends.

That's the bottom line. Don't lie about
it. No, but don't lie about it. If

you're calling me and saying, Monica,
her, her. Yeah. If you're calling me and

saying. I swear in front of my friends
that I really, like, I don't talk like

that in my room. Okay.

Sorry, Brooks, if you can hear me. He's
right there.

Please go upstairs and shut your door.
You didn't do anything wrong.

I think that they're getting upset
because they think that you and I are,

mad at each other. Like, they can hear
us.

I'm happy to listen. Like, if we keep
yelling at each other, my kids are

upset. I'm not yelling at you. Well,
just so you know, I know you're not.

And I know how you are. I just want you
to know we're in my home. Justin's out

of town. My kids aren't used to this.
Like, I don't.

Really talk this way in the home? Does
that make sense? Like, I'm fine to do it

with you. Okay, Whitney. But I don't.
Okay, Whitney, understood.

They don't understand what's going on.
No, understood. I think we're like

yelling at each other about ready to
tear each other's throats out. Okay,

understood. Because they're not used to
hearing this. Understood.

Oh, my God.

Like, all of a sudden, I'm Emily Post,
and I'm going to explain to you how you

should behave.

Well, let me get you a copy, bitch,
because the first rule is don't make

guests feel uncomfortable.

To me, when it comes to Ang, she has to
figure out, does she want that

relationship?

Great if you do, but then don't tell me
you don't want it. That's what's

triggering.

I just don't want to be lied to.

That's it. I don't want to be lied to.

Coming up. You were threatening my
family. I'm not threatening your family.

said it.

I could ruin their family. But I'm not
going to.

Big difference.

was so cute wow didn't you get fancy for
just my help of course hi thanks for

having me thank you for coming i'll get
to first time first time ever when mary

invited me to come see where she lived
there was no question oh my god mary

Grandpa Joe gets out of bed for two
reasons.

Willy Wonka's chocolate factory and Mary
Cosby's house tour.

Oh, my gosh.

Mary's decor is exactly like Mary's
personality. You never quite know what

you're going to get. Green carpet,
Chanel pillows, Dr. Seuss chairs from

Whoville.

Wow.

And it's Tiffany Blue.

It is Tiffany Blue. Oh, look at this.
You're exactly right.

Here's a chair for you. Thank you. This
is fantastic.

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

I just wanted to have you over to talk
to you.

We've always had like a connection.

You can say no if you don't agree.

It's like I'm always still connected to
you. And I think it's the spiritual side

of things. I think it's our church.

growing our understanding kind of each
other's backgrounds spiritual

and like way of communicating for sure
i've known heather for a few

years now and i never really got to
spend like one -on -one time with

because she was always up under jen so
now that jen's gone i could really like

have a real like a real conversation
with her and see how she's doing and i

wanted to talk to her about what she put
about me in her book

That being said, how do you feel about
not being at the church?

Right now has been a really tumultuous
time for me because I don't really have

the resources I used to have. Like I
used to have a church community.

I used to have church that I could go to
every single Sunday. But I wrote the

book. And I mean, you know how our
community is. We don't take kindly to

dissenters or to critics of the faith.
We don't accept them.

I just feel like Heather.

Like, wants both. She wants God, she
wants her community, she wants her

and then she wants her dark side.

But she cannot have both.

Like, she definitely has to pick a side.

Speaking of the book.

Yeah, the book.

Do you read the book? I read the part
that you wrote about me.

Is that the only part you read?

I read, you know, here, kind of, yeah,
kind of skim through it. But that was

part that I remembered.

Yeah. Because it wasn't true.

The part that I wrote about you? Yes.

Every word was true. No, it was not.

Absolutely. No. Heather, some of that
was not true, what you wrote about me.

Mary was equal parts elusive and
forthcoming, engaging and disinterested.

agreed with anything and everything she
said. And when she corrected my grammar,

my pronunciation, my diet, and my
physical appearance, I hung my head in

and thanked her sincerely.

Like I was this bougie, like I'm this
bougie, poised.

Miss Mary, you are bougie and poised.
No, I'm not.

I don't think anything I said was that
bad.

And if anything, I erred on the side of
caution.

I want you to know I care about you. I
know. And I feel like that's the place

we're in now. I think a lot of what I
wrote about in the book was in a place

where we were more careless with the
mean things we said to each other. And

that's what kind of got in the book.

Okay.

I mean, there were harsh words that
changed. That was the part that... And

did you find harsh?

I thought you were harsh towards me.

Well, I mean, you said, I don't even
know I look inbred.

Yeah, they're very old judgmental.

She has the snobbiness of a true Mormon.

She doesn't even know she looks inbred.

Do you think I look inbred?

I do.

Oh, Lord.

Oh, sorry.

Sorry.

Oh, God.

Heather's going to get me for that one.

So did that bother you when I said that?
No, because infrared means I love you.

If that bothered you, let me apologize
now.

I just was angry, and I'm sorry. Like, I
really am sorry.

I appreciate that. Yeah, I would never
want to intentionally hurt you or say

things to you that...

It's not true.

I mean, it's just, it's hard because a
lot of people are upset about what I

wrote in the book. You're not the first
one to come to me and say, I'm upset

about it. But I was trying to tell my
story as authentically as possible

hurting too many feelings. As much as I,
that part that was like, ugh, I'm so

proud of you. Well, thank you. I'm proud
of you.

And one day you can write your own book
and you'll see how hard it is to be

authentic but also be kind.

I don't want to write a book, but I
will, maybe.

But this has been really fun. Thanks for
having me. I love your house is grand.

I think we need like to have a
spectacular party at night with all the

Party, one thing, but the people that
are at your party matters to me.

Coming up.

I don't want her to come in here.

What are you doing here?

I come there and give.

This is not a gift.

Here we go.

I've got this squad casting open like
you told me to last time. Well, I just

never closed it to be totally
transparent here.

So do I just hit join session?

You're going to start a new session.

Okay. Hold on.

So here's what I see on my screen.

Antonio,

I was really good at the first part of
plugging everything in. I'm really good

at.

There I appeared. See, I'm really good.

Yeah.

Who are you talking to?

Antonio. He's helping me get set up.

Antonio!

Okay. Welcome back to Hanging by a
Thread. So we are picking up where we

off last time, which was going into our
wedding.

Could you stop?

Seth and I have really busy schedules,
and we can't necessarily get together

every single week to record a podcast.

So we want to have some of them banked,
make sure we actually have something to

air every week. But reeling Seth in is a
job in and of itself.

So, our wedding.

First of all, you wanted to have, like,
the biggest production of all time.

I think it was 350.

350, yes.

Ritz -Carlton.

Chicago had to be at the Ritz -Carlton.
It didn't have to be at the Ritz

-Carlton. Oh, it could have been at the
Four Seasons. I'm sorry, we had the

prenuptial dinner there.

You didn't mention prenuptial. Do you
guys have a prenuptial? No, we have a

-nup. The reason we had a post -nup...
15 years into the marriage. 15 years

the marriage.

You were very disconnected from me at
that point in time.

I was moving with three children from
Chicago to Park City, Utah,

where if you were to go get a divorce,
it is not favorable.

Somewhere that I didn't know and that he
would leave me.

That is why I had to post up. There was
nothing financial in it. It was strictly

about custody of our children.

You were afraid I was going to leave
you?

Mm -hmm.

I don't think Seth remembers how bad
things really were.

Like back then, I was terrified he was
leaving. Like we were not happy

It was not good.

During this whole time, I believe it was
the husband's responsibility to provide

the financial support for your family
and nothing else. Make as much money as

you can.

Provide a better life for your kids than
you had. But when the kids had issues

or challenges or homework or problems, I
didn't want anything to do with it.

I wasn't there from an emotional support
standpoint, and I regret that.

And I apologize for that.

And I take responsibility for it. And
that's why I know... Uh -oh.

What? Is this recording?

No. Oh, my God, Meredith, you are
shitting me. No, you did not not get

shit.

Seriously. Oh, my God. It says join
session.

Yeah. Let's finish your prom stuff.

Okay. Hey, hey, hey.

Who did this?

Oh, me.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, you want to help Bree? Okay, Bree,
what else do we need to do for your

prom stuff?

We need to blow balloons up.

Jade, do you know how to tie them? Yes,
I know how to tie a balloon.

I don't.

I don't know how to tie them.

Is that Volvo?

What are you talking about?

That's Bobo.

Okay,

Bree.

I don't want her to come in here with
the kids, for real.

So can you please just stay in here with
them?

Yeah. There's been zero communication
between my mother and I since dinner.

None.

We're locked.

All I care about is that this is now
affecting my children, and that's where

drop the line.

When you take our vehicle, I'm done. Oh,
so it's my fault. That's exactly what

I'm saying.

What are you doing here?

Hi. Why?

I come bearing gifts.

This is not a gift.

A peace offering.

Okay. I can't do this anymore.

Like, okay. I can't.

Live with when you get upset or mad that
you are just going to come and take my

car from me I'm just trying to get your
attention Then I'll stop I won't do it

anymore. I won't do it anymore This is
our pattern our relationship has always

been very volatile and very up -and
-down it's like high highs and low lows

clearly have some skills to learn When
we had dinner

I was serious about therapy.

I think it would be so good for us. I
think we need to get back on track.

Are you down with having therapy with
me?

I don't know. I would like to think
about it, to be honest, because we have

to therapy for years.

But it was such a long time ago.

The cycle of dysfunction in our family
goes back generations, right? You and I

can be the ones to break it. We can do
that.

Mom, you just kidnapped my car from me.

You want to talk about dysfunction?

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

My mother and I have been to therapy
together several times.

It did not help. We go to therapy. My
mother shows up. She's not herself.

And unless you're going to go to therapy
and be really freaking brutally honest

and show up as your messed up self, it
doesn't fix anything.

You and I, look at me.

We can be the ones.

I'm serious.

I just need time to think about it.

You better get to walking, though,
because it's going to be a cold walk

You cannot be serious.

I mean, it's beautiful out. Can Bree
drive me?

No.

You'll be fine.

Heavy. Good luck. Okay, wish me luck.
Thanks, Alan.

Did anybody order a music stand?

The book tour has had me stopping in
cities all around the country, but this

the first small book event in Salt Lake
City.

What I love most about these book events
is meeting up with people who have

similar experiences and stories as mine.

It just makes me feel less isolated. It
makes me feel connected, and it makes me

feel like...

I've gained more than I've lost.

We did over Talibet.

Okay. That's me. I always oversell. I
sell out venues. This is what we need to

plan on in the future. It's good,
though. It's good, though.

Hi.

How are you guys?

Hi.

Tony, this is Lisa. He's running the
event.

Who are you? So nice to meet you. Oh, it
looks awesome.

Oh, I love the living room. It's kind of
a vibe, right? Do you know I own like a

hundred couches if you ever need them?
You have a hundred couches? Not like a

hundred, but like a lot.

Can I practice?

Yeah.

Isn't this a nice turn of events?

Testing, testing.

This week has not been my favorite. I
feel like I'm in this like weird place

with Whitney. I don't really talk this
way in the home. Does that make sense?

Yeah, fair. And I don't really feel like
talking to Angie about anything that

happened last week. Why are you saying
this to me? You started this whole thing

with Sean. I'm just really wanting to
have a good time with Heather.

I just want Lisa to love me. I just want
to have a good time with the good time

girl. Live like Lisa. You'll be a great
Mormon without even trying.

Just going in one ear and out the other.

I haven't gotten one text or one phone
call from Lisa since the PRISM event.

Normally, Lisa and I talk about 80 to
100 times a day. And now she's ignoring

me. So I know that Lisa's annoyed and
something's up.

Do you guys have anything without Lita?

I have not seen Lisa since our spiritual
encounter at the sound bath.

Whatever. Whatever.

I feel like every time I turn around, I
get a jump scare.

Because there she is.

Thank you guys so much.

Will you make sure that people that
bought seats are getting seated and not

scared of that? Okay, yeah. Okay.

I'm nervous now. I'm nervous now.

Do you get nervous or not?

I'm so nervous. I'm going to get a seat.
You don't seem nervous here. Do you

want mine?

Yeah, I want one. Did you see the Vita
security?

Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

I just wanted to fill you in a little
bit on what happened at the PRISM event.

Lisa and I totally got into it, and it
got very nasty.

We were bickering back and forth, and
she was like, whatever, Monica, your own

mother doesn't even want you.

You're not my mother, so I don't need to
listen to you. Noah wants to be her

mother, clearly.

I'm not going to let her bully me around
or say things and not fight back.

You just nailed the problem right on the
head. Your exact words to me were, I

react rather than respond.

If you can try to give a response rather
than a reaction,

I think you'll have more success.

Yeah, that sounds healthy, so I probably
won't do it.

Sorry to interrupt. Can we get seated?

Yes, absolutely.

Okay.

Surprise!

Thank you, everyone, for coming. Heather
told me about this special day,

and I'm here to give you a little
rendition of my hit single, Away in a

Manger.

No crib for his bags. The little Lord
Jesus

laid down his sweet hat.

Whose side are you on, Angie? Like,
you're sitting here snickering with

as I'm up here supporting our friend?

This is exactly why I'm avoiding her.

Actually, you know what? I'm kind of
bored with this song.

Heather!

We need to make it a little bad.

Could I get a big amen for Lisa Barlow?

How about another one?

Come on up here, choir.

This is like Salt Lake City local
vocals. And we are going to give Lisa a

beat. Can we give Lisa a beat, choir?

Boom, boom.

Boom, boom.

Away in SLT in her new crib in her bed.

This bad -selling author laid down her
sweet head.

The stars in the heavens looked down
where she lay, saying sweet dreams of

book sailed through this bad girl's
gaze.

Thank you so much, Lisa. Good job.

That was awesome.

I give Lisa a lot of credit for getting
up there and doing that.

Um... But I don't know that she has a
future in rapping.

What the f***?

Truly, like, wow.

Let me think how to word this.

I want my money back.

Monica. You guys, thank you so much for
being here. This is the culmination of

an international book tour.

I'm just beyond honored to have you all
here tonight.

I never imagined that I would write a
book, and I never imagined that that

would be so well received.

I never wanted to be a bad Mormon.

I wanted to be a good Mormon.

And in fact, I wanted to be a perfect
Mormon. I'm going to read you a little

of my book that will help you understand
a little bit about my story.

On a flight back from Norway recently, I
discovered my seat was separated from

my friend's. We considered asking the
young man across the aisle to switch

seats. Before we could summon the
courage, he looked over and volunteered.

Later, as we waited in baggage claim, I
saw him reach into his pocket and pull

out a little black placard and affix it
to his shirt.

You're a missionary?

Immediately, he launched into an
explanation.

Yeah, we aren't allowed to wear our name
tags in Amsterdam.

He was so apologetic, worried that I
might rat him out to the authorities.

No, no, no, I reassured him. It's not
about your name tag.

There was just something different about
you.

And now I know what it was.

What I really wanted to do at that
moment was hug him.

I wanted to say, I know you because I
was you.

And what you hold sacred, I held sacred.

And if one day you realize that you want
to leave all of this, you can.

And you can come find me and I'll still
know you and I'll help you.

I don't want you to ever think that I'm
not on your side.

Despite everything, when that missionary
put on that little black name tag,

there was no one in the airport that I
wanted to talk to more.

Listening to Heather is very eye
-opening because I do see we have so

similarities.

Growing up, my mother and I always had
the missionaries in our home. We always

signed up to feed them meals.

And those are very good memories because
it kind of felt like older brothers.

It was just, it was, they're very
cherished memories. And I'm very

missionaries. So I can completely relate
to Heather.

I'm going to lean down and get a selfie
with everybody.

You've arrived, folks.

Thank you so much.

If you brought your books, I want to
sign them and meet you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

I'll just set up right here.

Heather, you did such a good job.

This has been like the best year of my
life.

How's it going?

I'm great.

Thank you. Tell me your name.

Sam.

I can't believe that someone asked me to
write a book. I can't believe that

people read the book. I can't believe
that.

People loved the book.

Hi, sis.

You're not going to cry, I promise. You
can cry.

Oh, I cried already six times today.

And I don't want it to end.

I want to keep doing this, and I want to
write a second book, and I want to

write a third book, and I want to keep
exploring, like, who I am and why I feel

the way I do and hope that it reaches
other people, too. I want to leave the

church, but I stay for my parents.

I get it.

I feel connected.

to these people, and I feel like they
are the community that replaced the

in my life.

I enjoyed tonight so much. You did such
a good job. Yeah, you got me emotional.

Did it help you kind of understand me a
little bit more? Yeah.

There's things that you said, and then
I'm like, oh, you're crying with the

missionaries, and I'm like, my son's
going to be one of them. I know, and I

that's why I want to be a part of it,
because I feel like I understand it, but

I'm also left out because I wrote this
book.

I think I just want to be validated
that, like,

the rules do exist for some people you
know what i mean and just because they

don't directly that's what you're
looking for all the time to get to that

still trying to figure it out i think if
you grow up culturally here there's a

weird set of rules that are my kids
don't have because i don't raise them

them it's nice that heather and i
finally hit a place where we can like

accept each other.

You're still figuring out where you are
in the journey. And there's nothing

wrong with that. You know, Heather and I
have had a lot of issues. And the one

thing that has really bothered me the
most is the way she talks about Jack's

mission. What this mission means for
Jack is that he gets to go out and serve

others, that he gets to promote kindness
and love. And it's totally different

than Heather's experience.

But I definitely have.

A different understanding of Heather
now. And I feel like for the first time

she's realizing that, like, there's not
one way to live any religion, and

specifically ours.

You make a lot of people feel good.

I need to be more open to your
experience and, like, the fact that,

instead of just being like, it's not
fair. You can't wear straps of stresses

drink tequila. I think it's okay to have
both. This is definitely a big

breakthrough for...

me and lisa to share this moment with
her feels healing it feels exciting and

makes me really glad that she's my
friend and that she showed up for me

for the first time i'm not bringing her
game down

have you guys talked at all no no okay

okay i just didn't know we're just gonna
miss anything okay i'm not gonna make a

big deal about this but

I know that you were making threats, and
I don't want you to run away on me

today. I'm just going to tell you why
I'm hurt, as a mother, that you were

saying that you were threatening my
family. I'm not threatening your family.

said it.

I could ruin their family. But I'm not
going to. But you couldn't ruin my

family. Big difference. You don't have
the power to ruin my family. Okay,

Even with words.

Yeah, I don't. You're right. Why does
this have to get so passive -aggressive?

I'm just telling you how you made me
feel.

And I am very sorry that that made you
feel badly and hurt your feelings and

upset you. Okay, thank you. What else
would you like from me at this time? I

mean, that's more than I'm getting than
Lisa Barlow.

So let's move on.

I've moved on, Meredith. Thank you.

And I will move on now, too. It's a
pleasure to see you.

Okay, bye.

Thank you for not running away this
time.

I don't. I mean that. I'm glad we got
through that. Thank you.

This apology from Meredith, it feels
shady.

It feels fake.

It feels like Meredith.

We need more of these book tours. I
know.

They fill my soul, right? I literally,
it was so, I was so emotional. I know,

Georgie, we were crying.

I am doing the second book. Really?

That's so exciting.

And it's going to be a lot more and a
little bit more intense than Badminton.

But before I ride it, I just feel like I
haven't checked in with you guys. And,

like, are you on board?

Like, are you willing to, like, take the
burrito on the car and the safe UT

bullying reports? And, like, if it puts
a target on your back.

I think as long as it's done out of like
a place of healing and like

passion from you and not out of a place
of, oh, I'm trying to get back at them.

Just like telling your story, then I
think for sure go for it. Having my

daughters support me and give their
blessing for me to write a second book

everything to me.

Book number two together.

As a mom, it feels so rewarding to know
that you've raised children that are

resilient.

I love you guys. I love you.

I hate

the

way I feel right now. I'm friends with
Angie, but.

I'm feeling frustrated. I'm feeling
hurt. I'm feeling blindsided because I

understand why my friend is behaving
like this.

I don't understand why I don't feel like
my friend is my friend.

Good morning. What's up? Good to see
you. Good to see you, too. I love your

painting. Thank you. That one I've had
forever. I have, like, a couple new

I'm always hungry. I'll have a croissant
with you.

Okay.

Let me see.

Croissant. Here you go.

I'm going to grab a muffin. Do you want
to sit up here or do you want to sit on

the sofa?

How's everything going?

Just, you know.

The usual. Yeah. We haven't talked for a
couple days.

Nope.

I just felt like I needed a minute to,
like, gather my thoughts. I just felt

overwhelmed after Winnie's Prism event.

Winnie's Prism event, Bobby's birthday
party. Bobby's birthday party, and you

left upset.

Yeah, I needed a break, too.

I just didn't realize that Monica had
such big issues with me.

Look, I know you're upset. I think you
feel like I'm taking her side.

Wait, wait, wait. I'm confused right
now. I did not feel like you're taking

Monica's side at all. What bothered me
is you tell me you don't like Monica,

don't want a relationship with Monica,
that you're not really that close with

her. So I'm like, what is this all about
then? The object doesn't match the

conversations and it's confusing for me.

You're right. All of that is true. I'm
not denying that I've had those

I'm not denying that I have said.

Negative things about her. But look,
woman to woman, she asked for a sit down

talk about what happened at my house at
Greek Easter.

I hate that it went so badly.

I know. I do, too.

Telling you what was being said was my
way of being a friend.

I mean that. Yeah. I'm sorry things
ended the way they did. It helps me

understand you a lot better.

Things left good with us.

And that's why at this point I'm trying
to move forward with her.

See, I didn't know any of this. And
there was some resolve.

I'm going to take full responsibility
and take accountability.

I probably have been wishy -washy along
the way at times.

And maybe part of why I haven't been
clear is because am I afraid to be

I'm not saying I want to be best friends
with Monica. Why would you be afraid to

be clear?

Well, I don't know if it's subconscious
because, like, when you found out that I

painted birdhouses at Heather's, you
were so upset with me, Lisa.

I am literally getting triggered by this
because I'm like, this is...

You got an apology.

I have never gotten that from Heather. I
was afraid to tell you that I went to

Heather's house until after I went to
Heather's house. Your insecurities and

telling me stuff is not my problem.

It is such a cop out to say I'm the
reason you're not telling me something.

You're the reason you're not telling me
something. You're weak. You're afraid.

And you're a liar.

You're going to think this takes away
from.

Who I am to you as a friend. Why would I
think that? I don't think that way.

You're projecting that onto me. I got
upset because she apologized to you for

how you took a beating and I took a
beating. I get it. And it was like a

over and over again. That's what
triggered me.

It's my nature to get along with people.
So I'm wanting to find peace with

Monica. I'm wanting to move forward with
Heather. And Lisa is hurt by both of

those friendships.

It's like all stemming from like her
getting hurt from Angie.

Her getting hurt from Jen.

But I'm not those people.

How do you think it feels to be me in
this situation? Like my friends are

things. Like I'm transparent with you.
I'm an open book.

I say exactly how I feel. I say exactly
what I mean. And I support everything.

So if you're not being honest with me,
that's on you.

That's on you if you're not honest with
me. When I tried to touch you in the

bar, you pulled away. You pulled away
and said, don't touch me.

Don't touch me. Don't touch me.

Don't touch me.

I would never treat you that way.

for you to have this conversation with
me. Because I don't feel like you're

being honest with me, Ann. That's why
I'm acting this way.

I'm just going to move forward and keep
her at a distance, but still be cordial

and kind to her when I see her. That's
all.

I don't want you to feel like you have
to have secrets from me. I'm never mad

you. There are other things that have
hurt me, and I've explained that to you.

I'm still healing from some things, and
it was very triggering, which is why I

pumped the brakes with Meredith, to have
this happen to you.

How you feel about not telling me things
isn't me.

It's me. It's you. And I can't control
that. I just want more clarity and, you

know, like consistency.

There is never a doubt in my mind that
you're not my friend. Like, you know,

can do like whatever with whomever. And
it doesn't mean you're better friends

with somebody else. I'm not five.

I don't think that way.

I don't ever want you to feel like you
can't tell me something, Ang.

Well, I don't want to feel that way
either. And I think I have, and that's

me. Maybe I've been on eggshells a
little bit because I'm concerned about

feelings, and that's backfired on me now
because I haven't told you things, and

you're hurt, and I'm sorry.

Same.

So we're good.

Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City.

I want to say something.

Monica.