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Tonight, part two of the Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City reunion.

I don't think I'd be married to Meredith
anymore if we didn't engage in taint

play. Enough.

Enough. I think we'll cut this now. You
really are going to keep running with

that. The hard part I have is watching
you make fun of Lisa.

I've never said anything derogatory
about Meredith.

I could not process what was going on at
that time due to other things that were

going on in my life that I had no
support from my friends on. Well, I was

supporting you, so I'll exclude myself
from that. No, you were not.

How long can I keep myself open to
repairing something that you don't want

repair?

She pled guilty. That doesn't make you
have any reaction.

After she's sentenced, I'm sure I will
have more of an opinion. Are you scared

of her coming after you by saying
something about it?

There was speculation that she pled
guilty to keep Coach from being

implicated. If that was true, it makes
sense.

So does that mean you think he possibly
had knowledge and is letting her take

the fall?

Part two of the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City reunion starts now.

We are back with the Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City reunion.

I'm Andy Cohen.

Angie Kay, at the finale, you said she
may have received the black eye during

Barbie scissor kicks and suggested that
it may be the result of some sort of

sexcapade gone wrong.

Everybody is saying that perhaps her and
Heather were in their room doing Barbie

scissor kicks and then Jen beat the shit
out of her.

What led you to believe that?

Well, I was talking to some people, and
they said, have you ever heard of any

sexual relations between Heather and
Jen?

And I have never heard that before.

So I assumed, OK, this is obviously.

You've been friends with her for 20
years. You thought we'd had a sex act?

there's a lot of things I didn't know
about you. It's probably just behavior

the bed.

Well, to add insult to injury now, I
had, it's a.

a sexcapade with Jen that I'm covering
up for my blackout. It just is getting

better. No, but you have to understand
what people were thinking watching you

top of Jen.

You look like you maybe. It wasn't a sex
injury. And if it was, I don't

remember. And I've never been attracted
to Jen like that.

Let me ask you this. As a woman who
wakes up with a black eye and scratches,

I mean, didn't you want to find the
person who did it?

I kind of felt like because I'd been
drinking, whatever happened to me, I

deserved it. And I just felt embarrassed
and ashamed.

Well,

Heather, I'm glad you're safe, at least,
despite all of the confusion.

And I hope you give yourself a break
because...

it's certainly not worth the shame
spiral that you're putting yourself

All right, Angie H., Angie K., and Dana,
thanks so much for joining us. Thank

you. We're going to let you go, and
we'll be right back.

I love you. I love you. I'm so sorry.

We got to make a photo together.

Can we do that really quick? Can we get
a photo? Yes, let's do it.

It's like they were all right, you know,
you go to the dark side and look what

happened you fall off the you know You
become the potter's fool I don't like

blocking Jana

We're

back with the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City reunion

Throughout the season, Whitney took us
on her healing journey as she worked

towards moving past her childhood pain.

This must have been an incredibly
difficult time for you. How did you

these memories in the first place?

There was something that would haunt me,
and this last couple years I started

having physical manifestations, meaning
like I was having all these health

problems, and that's where I started
doing memory recall work, because I kind

always knew that there was... Something
else.

Something else. And it started coming
back to me. And I

never imagined that I would be
questioned about it, that I'd get hate

Who's questioned you? The viewers? Your
family?

I felt like my cast members questioned
me and then viewers.

Given where your relationship has gone
this season, did you feel like you were

able to support her in the way that you
would have had you two been in a better

place? No, because we didn't ever
discuss it if we weren't on camera.

Well, after the dinner in Arizona, when
she told me that my healing journey was

childish, foolish, sloppy, and I made
the trip about myself.

You arranged this trip. You wanted to
celebrate Jen not to work through all of

your personal issues and your issues and
friendship with Lisa.

You made it about you? I did not make
this about me. The first night was about

you, and you were crying, and we talked
all about your childhood abuse.

Why would I ever come back? and try to
have a conversation about that.

I did not realize that that's what we
were talking about. And I am horrified

that you would think that I would ever
dismiss your feelings like that. That's

where it's not how I've ever been. It's
not how I ever would be.

And that would have been a complete
anomaly for how I feel about you.

How does it feel hearing what she's
saying now? Does that change anything

you?

Not yet.

Not yet.

Jay from Little Rock said, Whitney, have
you spoken to your abuser since these

memories resurfaced?

No. You have not? Have not.

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

Yeah.

They're cousins, ex -Mormons, and good
time girls, but we experienced bad

weather this season as Heather and
Whitney's relationship went from bright

sunny to dark and stormy. Let's watch.

You know what? For me, loyalty is a deal
breaker.

Deal.

I feel very sad that bad weather has
been like a dark rain cloud

over your head.

Be free, young Whitney. I will not hold
you back any longer.

That's not what they're saying, though.
I want bad weather back.

I think that we're stronger together.

I think that's taking me for granted to
assume that it would come back like it

was.

Okay, so I don't think anyone saw this
one coming.

Where do the two of you stand now?

I mean, it's not good.

Buzz from LA said, Whitney, after
watching the episode back, do you stand

calling Heather a liar? If you told the
story again sober, do you think you'd

have the same outcome?

It would be the same conversation. Why
are you lying about this?

I've come to the terms that she doesn't
remember. I've accepted that.

I don't agree. Angie said she never said
it. You believe now that she never. But

being drunk, it makes it.

so messy because I get confused with my
words. And when you're going up against

someone who's like a master debater,
it's hard. Who's a master debater?

Me? Yeah.

Congratulations. Thank you. Fola from
Atlanta said, Heather, you said if you

choose to recuse something from your
memory, that is your right.

Is that your way of saying that you did
hear the rumors about Lisa?

No, I did not hear the rumor that became
the big flame. But I did hear rumors

about Lisa in my bedroom when we arrived
in Arizona.

Meredith talked to you about rumors
about Lisa?

About what?

Like, affairs.

But what Meredith has heard that Lisa
has performed sexual favors.

So that's why I was trying. They were
conflated. The

details are going to trip us up.

I was just trying to answer.

Why that one rumor though?

There's two separate issues.

If you want to say horrible things about
people and I choose to not believe it

and not ever repeat it, I don't want you
to come and say, I told you, therefore

you're part of this.

That's not fair. That's me recusing
myself from it.

But I also didn't hear that rumor. Why
would her calling you a liar evoke such

huge reaction?

Because I wasn't lying.

No one likes being called a liar.

Let's just be real. Nobody likes being
called a liar. She called me a liar,

She was equally calling me a liar. You
called me a liar and a drunk.

Meredith from Meade, Washington said,
Heather, you say you're a loyal friend

because you kept forgiving and defending
Jen despite her constant lies and

scamming innocent victims.

Didn't Whitney deserve at least the same
patience and grace you gave Jen for far

worse? That's an interesting point. Do
you think she holds you to a different

standard that she holds Jen?

Definitely. Absolutely. I hold her to an
absolutely different standard. You hold

her to a higher standard. Much higher.
But your actions don't convey that.

Jen can do anything to you, and you'll
go running right back. Yeah, because I

hold her to a lower standard. I called
you a liar over a rumor. And I was upset

by it. Because I hold you to a higher
standard. Do you think that her newfound

friendship with Lisa clouded your
judgment of Whitney?

Yes, 100%. It felt like such a quick
pivot.

such a 180, that it made me question
everything.

My question is, though, is, like,
Heather, you and I were working on our

friendship, so I would think that you
would want me and Whitney to be friends,

too. Like, I would think that... I
would. Yeah, I would think that... I

we were all working toward it. That's
why when she said, should I discuss

rumors with Lisa, I said, absolutely not
right now. Do it in a...

constructive, positive way. And I think
it really was a giant step backward for

your friendship and for our friendship.
It wasn't a step backward for me. It

wasn't a step backward for me and
Meredith.

She's just saying that's how she felt.
And you two are still tight. Yeah, I

Whitney. Yeah, very close.

EJ from Atlanta said, Heather, you
seemed shocked to find out you and

were on a friendship break. Whitney, why
did you talk with everyone but Heather

about the break?

I literally made that decision in that
conversation in the hot tub right before

San Diego.

What Jen was doing is deflecting from
the fact that she had said a lot about

Heather in the hot tub because I have
received so many texts, I hate Heather.

And I'm like, if you... Hey, Heather,
you need to talk to her about it. By the

way, you bring up a really good point
because the flashbacks that they showed

you ladies in the hot tub, I mean, Jen
was slagging you off.

It felt better when I walked in and
Heather was, like, not in charge because

was like, if Heather's in charge, this
is not a real thing.

Heather has always made me feel like,
Jen, you need as many friends as you can

get, so just roll with it.

Heather is my friend 60 % of the time.
The point I'm at in my life with

everything I'm going through, I don't
need friends like that.

Were you upset by anything that you saw?
Were you upset by anything that you saw

Jen saying about you? I was completely
upset.

Did you confront her about it? Yeah,
when I saw that play out, I texted her

said, when did you get so good at math,
60 %?

Whitney was talking bad about me too.
No, I was not. No, she was not. She did

not. Can I take this as my question?
Everyone was talking bad about me. No,

were with everyone.

I wish everyone could be with me.
Heather, it's not true.

I did not talk badly about you. I said I
need to put up some boundaries because

I feel like I keep working on the
relationship and you keep shutting me

you're not receptive to it. How long can
I keep myself open to repairing

something that you don't want to repair?

Up next.

She pled guilty.

That doesn't make you have any reaction.

I'm sure I will have more of an opinion.
Are you scared of her?

How

long can

I keep myself open to repairing
something that you don't want to repair?

And it very much was a break. We weren't
talking every day. We weren't doing

things together. And I swear to God, I
never said anything bad about you in

hot tub. She did not. Jen absolutely
did.

Did you see a flashback of her talking
bad about you in the hot tub? Or did you

hear it from Jen?

I can't remember anything specifically.
Just the thought of, you know, your...

go to engaging in any part of that
conversation just felt, it felt like a

betrayal. Did it feel like a betrayal
when you saw how Jen was speaking of

Yes, absolutely.

It felt like a betrayal. But you texted
her and not me. We already knew where we

were because of BravoCon.

Who reaches the most on camera?

Whitney Rose.

You decided that you just were going to
dump me as a friend, not tell me, and

that to me feels like a reach.

And because of the things that you said
on your podcast about me.

Honestly, when it comes to Heather, I'm
no longer going to hold back. She needs

to go look in the mirror and tell
herself her own lies until she realizes

lying to herself.

And that's what happens when people
don't live in their own truth.

They don't know what the truth is, so
they hide behind a disguise of

manipulation and gaslighting.

So I know how we felt.

That was after BravoCon. You were the
one at BravoCon that...

flip -flopped on me.

But I want you to know something about
Jen. I did not say anything bad. I don't

want to litigate Jen. She's not here.
Yeah, but you should know something. She

was so nasty that day. She would say,
Heather, my lawyers hate Heather. Sharif

hates Heather.

And we shut it down.

Okay, so Jen's a horrible person.

What do you guys want me to do? It's not
that. I'm telling you that in this

situation, Whitney, you were throwing
Whitney under the bus. That's fine. I've

accepted it. You even said at the
Marilyn Monroe dinner that you're ride

Jen to Whitney, who was asking you to
hear her, hear her feelings. I'm not

that term ride or die anymore. I've seen
a lot. I'm processing a lot. Okay. I

saw a lot of information, and I'm saying
to both of you.

I appreciate your deep concern for my
loyalty to Jen. I don't think that's

really an issue anymore. Okay, this is
where we're wordsmithing. This is where

we're wordsmithing. It's not about your
loyalty to Jen. It's about her feelings.

Is it about her loyalty to Jen versus
her loyalty to you? Yeah, I have zero

loyalty to me.

Okay, I feel like I've tried to be a
loyal friend to you.

Sean MJ from Cincinnati raised a
sentiment that we got a lot, which is,

something going on in your life off
camera that's making you act differently

this year? The way you handled a lot of
conflicts, especially with Whitney,

seemed out of character from the way
that we've seen you in the past.

Out of character.

What would you put your finger on there?

We were dealing with a lot of really
heavy, heavy topics, which is

for me. Topics, her dealing with her
past abuse. I remember talking about

childhood trauma.

felony charges, prison, adultery.

And writing the book made me especially
vulnerable.

I had to revisit my entire childhood, a
lot of really cathartic things in the

book that made my emotions come to the
surface and made me less stable and less

amenable to being a good person.

I guess for me, you seemed like, to me,
for the first couple of seasons,

like kind of the epitome of the kind of
own it girl.

And this season, it seemed really
confusing. I was having a hard time

your train of thought.

Watching it back, I have a hard time
following my train of thought. But I

there were victories.

Like I realized that I'd been
insensitive to Lisa at ski day. I went

over to you and was accountable and
apologized.

I'm trying to find moments of
accountability and clarity.

Steps forward. I think for all of us, we
all have moments of weakness. We all

have other things going on in our lives.
I think every one of us will say we see

things play back and we recognize, wow,
I should have done something different.

What are you most nervous about about
the book? Because you seem to be under

pressure relating to it. It's my family.

Coming on the show.

was big enough for my family. Yeah, you
ripped that band -aid off.

I mean, that was... I've just been
schooled to never talk about these

and that if I did talk about these
things, I would be condemned.

I'm in litigation with the church, and
if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

-day Saints is suing me, I can only
imagine the reaction that my community

friends and family are going to have
when they actually read the book,

I'm talking about the things that are
unspoken.

So this is... And you know that's it. So
you were working on this book during

the entire season. So you had... This is
an important piece of your story. It is

my story. And I should have been a lot
better of a friend. And I know that it

affected me personally. So the two of
you, where do we see this friendship

from here?

Everything leading up until today.

tells me that you want nothing to do
with me. Do you? You even said it

Once people cross me, she cuts them out
forever.

I'm sitting here. I'm listening.

I'm trying to receive it.

All right. Well, we're going to leave it
there, and we're going to be right

back.

It is already 2 .40. I know.

All right.

Are we good to go? Are we going to
lunch?

She's playing the victim card.

Heather is 100 % being the victim.

She knows that she looks bad. She knows
that she has flip -flops. She knows that

she talks shit about Jen. She knows that
she doesn't want to be my friend.

So what she's doing is she's coming in
with her tail between her legs and

asking, like, everything that we have
done is to her so that no one can, like,

argue with her. This is hard because
she's so subdued. I'm like, who is this

person? I don't even know who this
person is.

You look good, babe. Wait, are you on
our count?

Yeah. In between us?

I like that.

Can we get closer, Meredith, or is that?

No.

I know.

I don't have a husband.

You're my husband.

Okay,

I will keep this as painless as
possible.

Okay, we're looking.

Five, four, three.

Two, one.

Welcome back to Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City reunion.

Welcome, husband.

Thank you. How are you doing, John
Barlow? Great. Thanks for having me.

for coming. How are you, sir?

I'm doing great.

Looks like a career shift is working
well for you. Yeah, we got the

beard working right now. Hey, Seth.

Hey, Andy.

Has Brett Favre reached out to you for a
meetup?

My perfect boyfriend is Brett Favre.

Unfortunately, no.

Now I'm actually looking for a new man
crush.

OK. Yeah.

You're looking good tonight.

Alyssa from Chicago said, Justin, I'm so
sorry to hear about the loss of your

job. What have you been up to since
parting ways with your old company?

Once I got over the anxiety of the
uncertainty of just not knowing what's

next, it was pretty awesome.

You know, I know that when it was
discussed, that clip of you and Whitney.

Canoodling, so to speak. Okay.

Ow!

Exactly. I mean, did they specifically
say, we don't like how you're behaving

the show? No. No. Nothing specific was
ever said about it, but it happened

after that. And I think that was kind of
like a... The last straw. Yeah.

Seth, anything that crosses the line for
you when it comes to filming?

We obviously saw you take a bubble bath
with Meredith.

Thank you for that, by the way. I wish
you'd have done a little more, but

the whole thing. Like, everyone's making
it with this big sexy moment. It was

like we were chatting in the tub.

So, Brooksy, I think it's coming up.

Please do not put your foot near my
tank.

While you're talking about our children.

A toe in the taint is pretty sexy.

My foot was under his butt cheek so I
wouldn't flip. That's all it was, is the

leverage point.

Got it.

Blair from Connecticut is worried, Lisa
and John, that you're spoiling Jack with

the Range Rover, fancy vacations,
expensive clothes.

Do you have any regrets about the way
you raised him? And do you take

responsibility for him not having
interest in college?

I have no regrets. He's a great kid.
He's really helpful around the house.

he was in like sixth grade, we've never
had to wake him up. He gets himself up,

gets himself to school.

Manages his work schedule, manages
school schedule. We do remind him that

got some good things going, too. Yeah,
there are some times where we're like,

it's not yours.

John and Seth, the strain in your wives'
relationship clearly affected yours and

made for some awkward moments.

Seth, you seemed caught off guard when
Lisa approached you and tried to

apologize at Coach Shaw's party.

Can I hug you?

Is it okay?

You don't have to.

That's cute.

It was crazy.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Did you expect to have that conversation
that night?

No. I don't like confrontation, and I
was still shocked by it all, so I was

trying to kind of avoid it.

It was a hard conversation for me to
have, too, and it's hard to keep

over and over again.

I didn't think I was going to talk that
long, and I definitely didn't want to

make it awkward for Seth, but I
definitely wanted him to know, like,

sorry.

Dennis from Cleveland wants to know how
John felt when he heard Meredith was

involved with rumors about Lisa's
infidelity.

It was hurtful. You know, I just took it
for what it was, just a crusade to

retaliate towards Lisa.

Seth and John, do you realistically
think the two of you can be friends if

wives aren't?

I have a lot of friends that Meredith's
not friends with their wife.

And so I would say, yeah.

The hard part I have is watching you
make fun of Lisa, like in the closet

you guys were talking about the whole
richer than whatever thing and having 50

cents in your hand or whatever.

Look what I found.

What? So Lisa Barlow is no longer the
richest one.

You should give that to her.

Make her richer.

Our understanding was to not get
involved or talk about our wives. I've

said anything derogatory about Meredith.

And so that kind of hurt. I apologize if
the commentary was hurtful. The whole

world knows you guys work together. The
whole world knows you have more than 50

cents to your name. They were so
egregious that it was meant to be funny,

meant to be hurtful and cruel.

Thank you, Meredith.

What was hard for me, Seth, is you
didn't stop Meredith when she was saying

affair rumors and things like that in
your kitchen during that conversation.

John would have been like, you need to
stop.

Seth and John, can Meredith and Lisa be
friends again, do you think?

Can there be peace in the Middle East?
Yes.

Oh, my God.

Then yes.

I think there can be, yeah. I think I
can help you too, though. I can bring

back together.

How? I just know both of them.

We're all the same person. We're
supporting a wife through this whole

I think you mean Seth and I.

Yes.

You're talking about me. I can bring
Meredith and Lisa back together, too.

I think you have a new career.

You have a new career. Dr. Phil.

Dr. Phil.

That's exactly right. Nice.

We're going to leave it there. I'm going
to let the husband go, and we'll be

right back. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. Thank you.

Coming up... She said the cost of trial
was astronomical, and they solicited

friends for money. Did you give them
money? I did not give them money, but I

know people on this couch did.

We are back.

While this season was full of surprises,
the biggest came after cameras stopped

rolling. After claiming innocence for
over a year, Jen pled guilty.

Let's watch.

I've been going through so much, and,
you know, my trial starts in like a

and a half.

I'm the only defendant left that is
still going to trial.

But I'm not going to take a plea deal
when I'm not guilty, I'm innocent.

What happens if she is proven guilty?

What then?

I don't even let myself go there because
I'm like, I have to believe she's

innocent until they prove her guilty.
Lisa, and I'm kind of right there with

because I've had people ask me the same
question.

Have either of you ever asked Jen if
she's guilty of any of these

charges?

It's in fact.

Jen is proclaiming her innocence when
she's really guilty and not taking

accountability to the victims of what
she did.

That's a really big problem for me.

feel like shooting the show while
dealing with the trial changed her

Did the reality of it kick in for her?

It's so hard to decipher, like, when
you're filming, things are huge and

than life, and I feel like she got
arrested on camera. This happened while

were filming, and it was hard for her to
realize that these charges were...

Not just part of the show.

Does that make sense? I think it was
really muddled. And reality kicks in

the cameras go away and you're left with
your life and it's in shambles. Because

in some ways she almost became like
idolized because of it, right?

It fed her ego a little bit. Yeah, like
that would be hard to like discern

between did I really do this or did I
not?

Meredith, season two you couldn't stand
to be around Jen and said you knew

something was off when she was arrested.

Meredith, she's been arrested for fraud.

Honestly, I'm not surprised by that.

Season three, you've done a 180 and
blindly stood by her. How do you justify

that now that she's pled guilty?

Guilty, innocent, in between. She is
still a human being.

I will always root for the underdog.

Always. But you said that if she pled
guilty, you would have a really hard

with it.

Yeah, I said I would struggle with it.
I'd have to understand it. And of

that's not something I can do because
she hasn't been sentenced. So there's a

conversation I have to have at some
point in time that I have been unable to

have yet.

How did you go from season two, hiring a
private investigator, saying all these

things that she stole from your store?

My manager called me.

I'm like, oh, great. What did she buy?
She said, oh, she spent a few hundred

dollars.

But that's not the problem, Meredith.

There is a green clutch that I know was
here, and it is gone.

To you supporting her. I never
understood where that happened. The

matter is, months before San Diego,
months before any of you had this

information, I was informed by a very
reliable source that Jen had made an

attempt on her life.

And with what I went through...

I wasn't playing with them.

There is no chance that I wasn't going
to try to support. But what's

is that you said, you know, if those
victims were actually victimized by her,

then I can't be her friend anymore.

Yes.

I said that I would definitely struggle
with it, and I do have an issue with

that, I'll be honest. But on the flip
side, I also don't think that, like, she

should die.

No one is suggesting that she die.

But I'm just trying to parse out your...
I understand, but you also have to

understand that when somebody is in a
mental state where they have already

an attempt on their life and they feel
alone and unsupported, I know where it

goes. Okay? I lived it.

And I'm not doing that. And I don't care
what you think of me for it. I'm just

trying to understand your justification
for what you said before, you know,

about her as a felon, criminal, whatever
you want to call it.

I have a lot of things.

I am trying to reconcile in my own head
with all of this. And quite frankly, I

don't think I can do that until after
her sentencing.

You know what, though? I want to
interject here. When we were in bail,

not the situation.

There were a lot of things said, and
that was not the situation.

And it is all on you. Yes, Lisa, and you
had a lot to say, too. Everyone was

blindsided. No, no, no. I did not have a
lot to say. I didn't know. Because I

had called you from the van, and you
said, I'm not surprised. I'm not

You were gloating in the bathtub when it
happened. I was not gloating. And you

were, 100%. I was taking a bath.

Why did we not have an inkling? You
didn't?

Well, okay.

Meredith.

I was not surprised. Not on this
capacity. No.

Oh, I was not surprised.

I'm just saying we're rewriting history.
That's not the case.

No, I'm not rewriting anything.

I've said it over and over and over
again that I could not process what was

going on at that time due to other
things that were going on in my life.

were saying you had no support from my
friends on. Well, I was supporting you,

so I'll exclude myself in that. No, you
were not. That summer before, you had a

lot to say about Jen prior to. And I'm
just saying that's the truth. Yes, Jen

and I were not getting along prior to.
We both had a lot to say.

You dug up information on her like you
did on me. That's when you dug up

information on Jen. Lisa, how does this
concern you? No, I didn't dig up

anything. You dug up information on me
and you did it on her too. No, I did

It's a power. No, I did not. When you
don't like someone.

It was said to me, Lisa. Yes, it is. All
right, all right. Well, I don't care

what you believe. How is that for an
answer? Clearly you don't. No, I don't.

Where do I get what you think you have
to say about me? All right.

She pled guilty.

She's facing 10 plus years in jail. That
doesn't make you have any reaction?

You're like monotone about this?

No, I wouldn't say I'm monotone. You
have no feeling about this whatsoever?

I think it's absolutely terrible and gut
wrenching.

I can't speak to anything regarding her
innocence or guilt, though. It's not my

job. It's not my place. You had a lot to
say about it when she was arrested. And

after. She wasn't invited to parties. If
she was around, you didn't want to be

there. That had nothing to do with her
innocence or guilt. It had to do with

fact, as I said. It's just weird to me
that she pled guilty and now you have

nothing to say about it. I think it's
vile.

I'm sure I will have more of an opinion.
Are you scared of her?

Are you?

scared of her coming after you by saying
something about it?

Are you scared of her coming after you
by saying something about it?

No, because if I were afraid of that,
why would I bother confronting her last

year? Right. Like, obviously, I'm not
afraid of her. In my view, I am not the

judge. I am not the jury. OK. You're
quoting me. I said that multiple times

interviews last year and got brutalized
for being her friend and saying just

that. I'm not quoting you, Lisa. I'm
speaking my own mind. Stop telling me

everything that I think and do. I'm not
telling you. I just think it's so

confusing that all last year. Oh, my
gosh. I'm not interested.

All last year. You kind of were the
judge and jury before she was even.

I had one moment in Vail where we all
reacted.

After that, I didn't engage with Jen for
the rest of the season.

Maddie from Monterey said Jen was
actively committing fraud while showing

life on TV.

Do any of you think she truly believed
she was innocent?

I think she believed she was innocent.
You do?

Yeah, I don't know why you would sign up
to be a housewife.

I don't either. If you were running a
telemarketing scheme. And it was

It was happening when she signed up to
be a host. Right. The investigation was

done. Right. The sealed indictment was
on the day you announced her show at

BravoCon.

Wow. And what does that mean? Jen didn't
know about it yet.

Because it had been a grand jury
investigation. She had no idea. And

trying to get more information on more
people.

How did you know that?

I read it somewhere.

I don't know.

I mean, was her name listed in it at
that time, or was it added on later?

I don't know. I have to assume it was
mentioned, but it was sealed. It was

sealed. Naya from Milwaukee said,
there's been very little mention of the

victims of Jen's fraud. Has Jen shown
any remorse to any of you about the

she defrauded?

No. Well, I was quoted in an article,
and she wrote me and said, tell me who

victims are, bitch.

Yeah. It's safe to say that everyone
believes she will serve time for this.

Yeah.

Pearl from Montclair wants to know,
Heather, if Jen goes to jail, how do you

plan to support her? Will you visit her?

I mean, it depends on where she goes. I
mean, I will write her if she wants

that, and I will look in on Omar and
Coach, and I don't know.

There was speculation that she pled
guilty to keep

Coach from...

being implicated in any way.

Is that anything that any of you
thought?

I thought about that. Like, if that was
true, it makes sense.

Sharif is a lovely person, and he's
always, like, so on, right?

But sometimes I've always struck me as,
like, too good to be true.

So does that mean you think he possibly
had knowledge and is letting her take

the fall?

Possibly. I think it's a theory, a
possibility.

It's possible that he had knowledge. I
mean, they have to file taxes together.

What do you think?

I don't know the first thing about their
relationship.

I think it's, you know, pulling on a
thread.

I don't think he could be so supportive
if he knew she was implicated.

Right. Because we were there with him,
and it was like he wanted to read

everything. Didn't you think, like,
maybe Sharif knew when we met? Do you

that's a fact? Like, there's a
possibility?

Because... I mean, I don't know anything
anymore.

When we met for lunch, you brought up
the fact that, like, hey, how could

not know? I think that Coach
discovered...

what Jen was doing, and that it was
impossible to explain away.

I really feel like it was financial, and
they saw something that was like,

listen, it's not worth rolling the dice
because it's going to be so expensive,

and if it's not a clear win, we can't
risk it.

She said the cost of trial was
astronomical, just to get the

,000 a day, and that the cost was
overwhelming, and they solicited friends

money. Got it. And a lot of our friends
gave them money. Did you give them

money? I did not give them money. But I
know people on this couch did.

Not right now.

Wait. Andy Harrington gave her money.

Wow. How long did Angie know her?

They asked. They just asked. No, no, no.
But how long did they?

I'm just curious, like, how long they
knew each other. Wait. Because I think

that's a very new relationship, too. It
is. But I think that they knew that the

Harringtons had money. And Chris didn't
hesitate to help as he could.

Is that why the shock posting went away
so quick? Yeah, I don't know, you guys.

I'm just saying financial strain was
huge. And a lot of people that...

Gave her money. They asked John. They
asked me. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, they asked people for money. It
was very expensive, and a lot of people

came forward with money. And none of you
guys gave it to them, but Angie did.

I didn't because our counsel said we
probably shouldn't. Got it. Otherwise, I

would have. I was ready to.

I can't do that to my family. Heather,
you and Lisa discussed the guilty plea

over lunch. Why do you believe Coach
encouraged her to plead guilty?

for the financial strain, and that it
was just an uphill battle. And I have to

assume it was something that he thought
wasn't worth rolling back. You also

believe that there was something that
became clear. It was a text or something

she had sent to Stu that basically
incriminated her. I don't know the

but I would assume it was something like
a smoking gun. Yeah, that showed

knowledge. They dropped one charge, and
she's only pled guilty to conspiracy,

which means she had knowledge of what
was going on.

You told Lisa you believe Jen really did
commit the crime after she pled guilty.

If you believe she committed fraud, why
continue to support her?

Because she said she committed fraud and
she's going to prison and she's making

$15 million restitution. And I think me
being mean to her or mad at her is just

a virtue signal to the world and doesn't
do anyone any good. And, like, I'm this

far down the road with her. I'm not
going to drop her now.

You were very emotional at that lunch
with Heather. Why?

I'll get emotional again because there's
a part of me that loved her so much.

And she sucked me in. And there's the
good times. And then Jen would cut me,

criticize how I treated my wound, and
then told me it was my fault. That's the

relationship I was in. And so I'm sad
about the nice times or when she was

with my kids. But I'm not sad about the
horrible times. I don't miss that part.

All right.

Okay, we're going to leave it there.

We're going to be back after this.

Did this make you emotional at all or
no?

Am I a baby?

I have cried so much this year. I just
think that I'm cried out.

Yes.

I don't know if I believe you. You feel
a different kind of worse. How about

that?

We are back with our final moment with
the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

What a dramatic evening.

You're really emotional. What's up?

It's a lot, you know, a lot of heavy
topics. I mean, I think you're crying. I

just asked you if you feel better than
you felt 12 hours ago at the beginning

the day. And I expected you to say that
you were relieved and you had gotten a

lot off your chest. But you clearly,
maybe you feel worse. It's just, you

This show has brought, like, so much
good to my life, you know?

It's also showed me a lot of ways I have
to improve, you know? Got a closer look

at yourself and you didn't love what you
saw?

I just got a closer look at, like, you
know, how tumultuous these waters have

been. And we've all been through a lot,
you know? These are big, big, heavy,

heavy, heavy issues. And I feel ill
-equipped to be up here talking about

them, you know?

I wanted to ask each of you to tell me
what your biggest regret of the season

was.

Who wants to start?

I mean, I can start.

My biggest regret is not going to bed
immediately when we came home from the

club, been Marilyn Monroe night.

Just gone to bed and stopped drinking
and stopped playing around, and that's

biggest regret.

Because you have a lot of shame about
the black guy. Oh, immense, yeah. What

you think it's going to take for you to
work through that?

I mean, I'm in therapy, so just
continued making positive changes and

recognizing my past and what I've come
from.

Is this something that you've talked
about in therapy, the black eye?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Of course.

Whitney, what's your biggest regret of
the season?

I wish I would have waited until I was
sober to have the conversation

surrounding the rumors.

But I was kind of hoping that you would
say that one of your regrets is...

not mending our friendship.

I know that I gave it a valiant effort
and tried.

She said she's figuring it out.

Meredith? I think my biggest regret is
not being more clear and careful with my

words.

What about you, Lisa?

For me, I just learned a lot this
season, so I don't want to call it a

but I wish I had more boundaries with
Jen.

And I'm grateful for so much more.

Thank you very much. Thank you.
Beautiful.

It actually does look lovely.

Beautiful. Well deserved.

Better than a churro.

Thank you.

Better than what? A churro. Thank you
very much. Yes, you're right. Yeah,

right. Well, ladies, you've been through
a lot.

And through it all, you have each
personally prevailed.

delivered a really enjoyable season.

And let's go jazz.

Go jazz.

Cheers to courtside seats.

Cheers. And Lisa and Meredith, since
you've both celebrated birthdays this

our wish for your birthday is that you
find a path to reconciliation. And we

have a cake for the two of you. I love
it. A little joint. Meredith.

And Lisa Cake.

Ladies, why don't you come in and join,
blow this out. Will you switch with me

so I can have the pink side? Okay.

Even though this is my good side.

Oh, perfect. See that? See, that's the
first step towards reconciliation. There

you go.

She gave the bad side so I could have
the pink side. Okay.

Wait, should we sing?

Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday, dear Mary Jane.

Happy birthday to you.

Nice. Very good.

Cheers. That was cute.

Good. I love it.

Thank you. I need a piece of this. You
got a nice. Thank you.