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Tonight on the Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City reunion, you seem to insinuate

that Meredith had a pill problem.

I mean, that's what I was told. That is
a bitchy thing to say.

You never talk to me again. I don't want
to participate in the mean girl

bullshit.

He was acting like a lunatic. Don't talk
about my husband's character. Don't

talk about my husband's character. Your
husband's character the whole world

knows about. You apparently have zero
people skills. I have very good people

skills, Angie.

I haven't been the one trying to get on
the show for three years.

I have never said that before.

Never. Funny that you believe someone
going to prison for lying over me.

Hi, Jen. I have you on speaker at the
reunion.

I woke up.

In my pajamas and a horrible black eye.
It looked like you were assaulted.

Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
reunion starts now.

Hi.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I love New York in the rain.

Do you feel any nerves or anything,
Whitney?

Not at all, because I feel like all
season I was so gaslit, and watching it

helped me realize that I wasn't crazy
and I held back a lot.

Listen, you've got to be on the right
side of history.

Ladies. Landing.

Oh, hello.

Hi.

How are we feeling about today?

Feeling good. Do you think we can get to
any kind of a place that you couldn't

get to all season?

I mean, I'm hoping. I think if you're
the housewife whisperer, let's see what

happens out there. Oh, so it's on me?
Yeah. Do you think we'll be sitting by

each other?

Oh, my gosh. There's nobody else I could
sit by.

How do you feel about seeing Lisa? I
feel like a lot of my side of the story

never been called.

I'm ready.

Are you ready?

Are you ready?

Yeah, I think she's going to be weird.

I mean, the dynamic definitely shifted.
Yeah.

I think I know how the other trailer is
going to show up. How do you think the

other trailer is going to show up?

Victim, murder.

All right. I'll see you out there.

See what happens.

What do you think?

I'll tell you later.

All right. Here we go.

We're going to send it to Andy in five.

Four, three, two.

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 3

Reunion. I'm Andy Cohen, and in true
Salt Lake fashion, what would an arrival

without a Sprinter van?

Oh, ladies.

Come on out. Well, we've never done this
before.

But it seemed fitting.

What happened in that Sprinter van is
what I want to know. Oh, I think all of

are in consensus that we don't need to
spend more time in Sprinter vans.

What if she's on the run?

I'm shaking. I'm physically shaking.

I'm a respected woman.

So am I. Are you? Yes, I am. How come
you can't keep up?

Well, I am here with the ladies of Salt
Lake City. Hey, Meredith.

Hi. Great to see you.

Great to see you, too.

Did you share a nice bubble bath with
Seth before arriving?

Seth was still in bed when I left this
morning. He was. Well, he'll be here

enough. Hey, Heather. You look fully
recovered.

Yes. How long did it take your eye to
recover?

You know, it took about 10 days.

But I could cover it with makeup.

Hi, Whitney Wildrose.

Hi, Andy. How are you? Doing so well.
Good. Hi, Lisa.

Hey, Andy.

How are you? Good.

Spray tan even tonight?

Spray tan is even.

Very good.

Well, we are here in New York City in
what appears to be a dilapidated church,

which is quite the metaphor for the
season. What do you think, ladies?

Totally appropriate.

I think it's breathtaking. Like, it
feels...

exactly representative of what we've
kind of gone through the last three

There are only four of you on the
couches today. We invited Jen to be here

today, but unfortunately, her legal team
advised her not to come today as her

sentencing has yet to occur.

What are your reactions about her not
being here, first of all? I have mixed

emotions. Like, I think in a lot of
ways, I think it would be great to have

here just so we could talk through
things and...

you know, basically get some closure.

You know, I think she was a big part of
the season. And so I feel like it'll be

a big, a big void.

She changed her plea from not guilty to
guilty. And your reaction was what to

that, Whitney?

I was surprised because all season since
she was indicted, she claimed her

innocence and screamed it from the
rooftop. So I honestly thought she'd go

the trial to the end. What about you,
Lisa?

I had mixed emotions.

Jen did what she needed to do, and she
did the right thing. If she's guilty,

took responsibility for her actions.

Meredith? I was shocked.

You know, I was very, very surprised,
and it was just not what I was

And then you got the word that she's
pled guilty. Did she tell you in advance

that she was pleading guilty? She called
me right before she walked into the

courtroom. And what did you say?

I just felt sadness and grief, and I
just, you know, cried with her and said,

you know.

Good luck.

Did you feel lied to?

I wasn't really feeling anything other
than sadness for her family, and I

thought of her children, and I thought
of my friend that was doing something

that I didn't think she wanted to do.

All right. I want to leave that there,
and we're going to come back to this

later, okay?

All right.

No one ever expected longtime friends
Meredith and Lisa to have an issue they

couldn't resolve, but a rant and a
retaliation seem to have shaken this

friendship like a Vita cocktail.

So clearly your relationship never
seemed to recover after Lisa's hot mic

moment. Are the two of you on speaking
terms now?

Hi, Meredith.

Hi. I wish you a happy birthday.

Thank you. Happy birthday to you, too.
Thank you. You wished her a happy

birthday? With you.

Happy birthday, Lisa Barlow. Yeah, happy
birthday, Lisa.

Well, I mean, on Watch What Happened
Live, I mean, did you wish her a happy

birthday personally?

No. No.

Hypothetically, if she had contacted you
after the reunion off camera and said,

I want to sit down with you and...

hash this out and apologize to you,
would you have taken the meeting?

Yeah. You would have. I didn't feel like
that.

Can you forgive her?

My issues with Lisa today have nothing
to do with her childish tantrum. How

many times do I have to say the same
thing?

If your animus towards her doesn't have
anything to do with the hot mic moment,

what does it have to do with?

After Arizona, we were...

in a neutral space and hopefully
positive movement forward.

Shortly thereafter, I come to find that
Lisa had removed me as a follower on her

Instagram and was hiding her stories
from me.

And then what really set me completely
over the edge was when we aired

Reunion last year, I explained that I
was very hurt by Lisa that I didn't hear

from her when my father passed away.

And Lisa went to Twitter and posted a
lot of text messages that actually

occurred a month later to make it look
like I was lying. That is not true.

Excuse me.

When I had already been traumatized
enough about my father's death, where

had already created confusion over
dates.

Oh. And that to me was just like,
really, we're going to go here again

something that was so raw and so painful
to me.

I couldn't understand the rationale, and
I thought, this is not someone who

wants to move forward with me in a
positive direction.

Noah from Boise said, Meredith, you
started talking crap about Lisa from the

-go. Was your plan to get back at her
for her hot night grant?

The context of all of those
conversations was completely cut out.

with which you spoke was that you were
worried about her.

That is correct. I was concerned. I
didn't think that the behavior that I

was normal, regular behavior, and so I
was concerned.

In all honesty, if I could have come to
some level of understanding... Did you

reach out to her to see if she was okay?

No.

I probably should have.

And at the end of the day, regardless of
my intentions, Lisa, I am sorry that I

said that there were rumors out there
about you and I did not believe them. I

apologize for saying any of that.

Thank you.

Joel from St. Louis said, I'm confused.

Are there dueling rumors about Lisa
going around? Apparently. The first one

being Lisa giving blowies for jazz
tickets. And the second being Lisa

sexual favors for Vita sales. Oh, no.
There's like three or four from this

group. I would love to clarify this. Can
I have a glass of water, please? I'm

dying. Sorry. I didn't mean to
interrupt. You would like to clarify.

First of all, I never said Meredith
started the rumors. I said she was the

that started talking about it. Okay.
However, when Meredith came to my house,

she said there was rumors about Lisa
that she performed favors for the

of Vita. Isn't that absurd?

And I said no, and I said what I had
heard. I never said blowjobs for

courtside seats. Never said that. I said
those rumors like...

are about this man because I heard them
from Angie Harrington.

We get to Arizona.

Heather spun my words and said, blow job
for courtside tickets.

If that had happened when you came and
told me all this in Arizona, why didn't

you say, remember, this is the joke that
Angie made? I did. It wasn't a joke.

She told other people it, too. I think
she did say that to you. She did not.

sat in the front two seats on New Year's
Eve with Angie.

Angie told us that John, Barlow, and
Lisa have a ticket because Lisa

sleeps with us.

That's how I heard it. And you were
there. I did not hear it. The bottom

is, Andy, I'm so grateful.

No matter how much hate Whitney got for
it, I'm so glad she came in and stopped

it. Because if Whitney didn't come in
that night, she started it. No. I did

Meredith started it. She didn't. I
believe Whitney would have never said

anything if other people in this group
were not going to Whitney and talking

about it. I think it would have been
awful. I never said a word before

disclosed a lot of stuff.

Coming up, is there a part of you that
thought, if Jen did this, I want to

it up?

So she isn't penalized by a judge or in
her case.

Whitney would have never said anything
if other people in this group were not

going to Whitney and talking about it. I
think it would have been awful. She

came to me and told me in Arizona.
Whitney disclosed a lot of stuff to me.

You did. You were with Jen, and you said
a lot to Jen. You brought up rumors.

I mean, there are fair rumors.

I'm not getting into any of it, but
there are rumors. I don't know if

true or false.

I just heard that she was, you know,
doing favors to help get places to pick

Vita Tequila. I have no idea if it's
true or false. It sounds absurd to me.

talking about before that. And you said
it to Seth, and it's all on camera, so

the world heard it. While you were
roller skating in San Diego, you seemed

insinuate that Meredith had a

No, I don't pop pills, bitch.

You do.

It wasn't about that. Jen had said that
when we were in Zion, Meredith was on

something with Heather. OK. The night
that I locked myself in my room. You

she popped pills. That is not true. You
said she popped pills. Jen had told me.

that they popped some pills before I was
locked in my room. She told me that you

two were both caught.

She told me that you two were both
ketamine or something.

And that's why I said it. And it was,
maybe it's a bitchy thing to say, but I

mean, that's what I was told. It is a
bitchy thing to say, Lisa. Well, we all

say a lot of bitchy things.

I'm not the only one. No, you're not. We
can move on now.

Calling someone a pill popper is kind of
goes beyond being a bitchy thing.

It's actually an accusation.

Well, so there's a lot of accusations
flying all over here. So it's like, is

mine worse than any of the other ones?
And if you have a problem, call Jen

now and tell her, hey, why did you say
that? Because she for sure did.

Let's do it. She for sure did.

You heard it. You know Whitney. Whitney,
she's talked to Whitney about it.

Yes, she said it to me as well.

Yeah, and a bunch of other people. You
should see what she's been sending out

about you. I have that on my phone too.

I know who I am. I know what my
character is. I'm not going to jail.

Hi, Jen. I have you on speaker at the
reunion.

Because we have a little bit of a
conflict here.

Jen, tell her how you told us that they
took shrooms before they built a rock

tower in the hot tub.

Ketamine and shrooms. Because I didn't
know what ketamine was. I had to Google

it. He said that you... Yes.

Special K.

She knows what special K is. Everyone
does.

The question was, Jen, whether you were
going around saying Meredith is a pill

popper behind her back. She said it to
me.

No, I wasn't. That's a lie.

No, it isn't. Well, you don't tell the
truth all the time, so I wouldn't expect

you to now.

I don't believe anything that comes out.
I mean, yeah, do you even believe this?

You believe this over me? I'm not going
to jail. Okay.

Oh.

Why? It's the truth. Why do we have to
act like it's not the truth?

That's inaccurate.

All right.

Thank you. It's not inaccurate. She said
it. I had heard through the grapevine

long before I saw the episode where Lisa
called me a pill popper that she was

saying that around town. Who? Who? Name
names.

Name names. You can't because there
aren't any names because I never said

have never said that before.

Never. Your buddy there did.

And it's funny that you'll believe
someone going to prison for lying over

wasn't told that by Jen. Whatever. I
can't even handle this. We're done.

I am not wrong.

Of course you can't cancel it. I am not
wrong. Because you're right all the

time. Oh, no. I'm not right all the
time. I admit when I'm wrong. You can

apologize one time, and everybody has to
move forward.

I've apologized a multitude of times to
Lisa over the rumors. I think we're on

six or seven now. You're making up
stuff.

You're making up stuff. Meredith, behind
Lisa's back, you kept saying that you

would hate to have an SEC filing at this
stage in your life. No, that's not what

I said.

I can't imagine wanting to crowdfund for
any reason at this stage of my life

unless I had no other choice.

That's just not something I would want
to do. If that was what was right for

them, that was what was right for them.
I wouldn't want to have to do all the

SEC compliance that comes with that.

And that's my personal opinion, which
I'm entitled to. Well, we have a lot of

lawyers. The point isn't the SEC filing.
It's the point that the way that

Meredith brought it up and talked about
it. It was a denigrating way. It was to

make Lisa look bad.

So after everything that's gone down
this season, do either one of you want

pursue or continue the friendship?

I think we have both made very big
mistakes.

And I think it's really, really sad.

I do. It's heartbreaking to me. I don't
know exactly where we can go at this

point. You know, I think that at a
minimum, it would be nice to be

out of the respect for that friendship
we did once have, even if there isn't a

future towards one, to treat each other
with respect, with kindness, and, you

know, be cordial and see where it goes.

And that's the best I can do right now.

You know, I've been friends with
Meredith for a long time. I felt, like,

protective of Meredith.

And I felt devastated last year.

Prior to the hot mic moment, I was
devastated because I was like, we aren't

friends even then.

But I have been very, very sad.

And I never thought it would get to this
point where I was so ugly.

And I think the thing that hurt me
most... is when you brought John into

And it's like I had already been through
enough.

Why do we want to, like, put me through
more?

Like, there's way worse things happening
around us, and it's, like, fixating on

me.

Well, I really hope that there's a
positive path forward for the two of

We're going to leave it there, and we're
going to take a break. We'll be right

back.

Coming up.

Don't say we're bullies. Because you do
it to all of us. I do not. Yes, you do.

You're trying to take away from the fact
that your husband trolled me.

Just waiting on a few adjustments here,
guys. I'm going to send it to Andy.

Is there a heater in here? Yes.

Are you cold? Yeah, I'll be fine. I'm
sure it's going to heat up soon.

To Andy in five.

Four, three, two.

We are back with the Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City reunion.

Lisa, your singing actually went viral
when it aired.

Away in a manger, no crib for his bed.
Would you ever

consider releasing a holiday album?

Actually, I would.

Really? Yeah.

And maybe I'm already working on it.
Wow. Didn't see this one coming. Maybe

an album. Maybe it's like three songs.
An EP.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of
more in keeping with the Housewives

oeuvre. Yeah.

From drinks on the hair to shoes in the
water, two old friendships came to an

end and one dropped anchor before it
even set sail. Take a look.

I knew we would love each other. We
worked together and like we immediately

bonded over fashion.

I've known Angie for over 20 years.

Angie told us that don't follow Lisa.
Have those tickets because

Lisa sleeps with us.

That's how I heard it. Chris Harrington
started an Instagram page called Shaw

Exposed.

Can you really say you had no idea your
husband did this? None. So embarrassing.

I would be so embarrassed.

I have got a friend with a house in San
Diego.

Go to the beach.

Hey, Angie's hooked up in San Diego. I
thought this was Jen's trip.

This is mine.

I'm sorry. Are you in charge? Who's in
charge? Let's do this.

Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious.

That's not even funny.

It is funny. This is the fun trip.

Women like Dana inspire me because she
has a very good heart, but she also

keeps her edge.

Honestly, I feel like she was almost
bullying.

Like, I feel like no one stands up to
her, and no one puts her ass in check

she's stepping out of line.

Dana Banana, who looks like you are no
fun banana.

I want to be as real as I can with you,
Jen.

Someone that I know shares something
with me, and I just want to be real with

you. They know someone that worked for
you.

Who? And they pled guilty to whatever.

the allegations are, and now they're an
informant.

And the friends are joining us. Welcome
Angie H., Angie K., and Dana.

Welcome to the Season 3 reunion.

Good evening.

Thank you.

Destiny from Austin said, Dana, you
started talking badly about Jen from the

-go. Did you ever really intend to get
along with her or try to get along with

her? Yes. If you see, like, the first
time I met her during, like, the ski

This is Diana from Beauty Lab. Hi. What
can I tell you about?

No,

so are you.

She was great. She was a good time. And
I felt like she has a good aura

around her in the beginning when I first
met her. But after I saw what she did

to you, I saw the way that she treated
you. And that's what triggered me a

little bit at the choir audition.

I didn't like the way that she
approached you. And I appreciate you for

defending me. I know that was a hard
position. Yeah, it was really hard. I

appreciate that.

Dana, why did you tell Jen that you were
friends with an informant in her case?

What was the purpose of that, or what
was that supposed to... Well, I was

that maybe she could be like, I don't
know, maybe own up to it early on, talk

about it, address it, take
accountability for it. So then jumping

Heather's book party, what was your
motivation for going after Jen?

Don't talk to me! Don't talk to me!

Don't get in my motherfucking face. If
you get in my face, I can get right back

to you. Do it, honey. You like to fuck,
I bite.

Bite, honey, bite.

Bitch, you don't want to catch no more
cases, okay? You're being fucking

And if I were you, I'd be real nice
right now, especially if you want some

on your fucking book.

There's a reason why I blew up that
night, Andy, because at our dinner in

Diego, she was making fun of where I was
living.

But I live on the west side of Salt Lake
City. It's, like, more of a country

town. She was like, Dana, you're mad
because you live in Tooele.

Like, bitch, she doesn't even own a
house. Like, I own multiple properties

her ass rents. And if I wanted to, I
could buy the house that she's renting

evict her. Like, I don't know what the
fuck she's talking about. Make it fun

that I live in Tooele? Like, why does
she need to do that? And then she's

well, Dana's husband, whatever his name
is, like, Jorge Humberto or whatever it

is. Like, that's... And rude. My
husband's name is Ernesto.

There's no need to make fun of his name.

So all of that time, me sitting back,
seeing the ways that she treats the

ladies, seeing the way that she was
treating me, I'm going to address it

what she's doing is not right.

That's just me.

Belinda from Oakland said, Angie H., I
think we all want to know what really

happened at the jazz game.

Did you tell Whitney and Heather that
Lisa slept with a rich friend for Utah

Jazz tickets?

Absolutely not.

And if not there, did you ever?

Whitney and I had discussed rumors
privately on the phone because John was

behaving in a way that I didn't
understand at a jazz game. My husband

your husband to stay away from it. No,
he yelled the F word in front of your

son. Yeah, I know that. He was acting
like a lunatic. No, he was not.

Lisa, security came to my husband

and said,

do you want to kick John Barlow out
because he's acting like a psycho? So I

called Whitney.

OK. And I said, it's interesting because
he's sitting in seats.

And that's when you said to me, do you
think there's something going on there?

And I said, I've always wondered. And I
have.

OK. Oh, my gosh.

Angie and I have had many conversations,
so I gave her a pass on that because

maybe she forgot making the joke.

Can I ask what the joke was? Because I'm
still unclear because I never said that

about blowjobs for jazz tickets.

But then you called me a liar.

Because the blowjob for jazz tickets got
twisted in a mess in a drunk moment at

the dinner table in Arizona. But did I
say that?

You said that Heather should buddy up
with, like, our friend Lisa.

And for the record, I did not, nor would
I ever. And nor do I believe you would

have done that. You talked about me.
It's enough. I did talk about you. Don't

talk about my husband.

Lisa, that's rich coming from you.

Lisa, are you a jazz fan?

I'm like a really big jazz fan. I'm
actually friends with some of the

too, but I don't sleep with them either.

Pablo from Corpus Christi said,
Meredith, you said someone sent you

Lisa was creating fake Instagram
accounts to troll Angie.

I never did. You also said someone sent
you Lisa's FCC filing. Who's sending you

all of this anti -Lisa stuff? I don't
have any troll accounts, and I've never

trolled anybody.

I use my own face.

That's your battlefield.

I do not. Just let her finish. I never
said that. I have DMs.

That I wrote. So don't say we're
bullies. Because you do it to all of us.

not. Yes, you do. I'm sorry. I don't. I
don't. I don't. You're trying to take

away from the fact that your husband
trolled me.

Let's move on. Okay.

Sadie from Aspen said, Angie Kay, you
set the ladies up with a house in San

Diego, which was supposed to be Jen's
last hurrah before the trial.

So did you feel like you were the
hostess of the trip?

I felt that I was a co -hostess.

Typically when this group has gone on a
trip, Jen has the best room. What did

you ladies think when Angie took the
biggest bedroom?

Trouble.

You thought it was going to be trouble.

Yeah. Well, just the energy. You could
feel that Jen was amping up, you know.

Why do you think it bothered Jen so much
that you were taking a hostess range?

To be totally truthful, I feel that Jen
wanted me in the group but with

conditions and that I had to always kind
of stay down here on a leash, right?

And what message do you think she was
sending by pouring the champagne on you?

Let's do this.

Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious.

You're below me. Stay quiet and don't
try and take this trip over.

She wanted to tell me that she was in
control.

So she claimed that pouring the
champagne was meant to be a funny joke.

She wasn't laughing or smiling when she
did it.

It wasn't funny. No, it was not. So did
anyone here think it was funny? I didn't

think it was funny. Nobody laughed. You
kind of thought it was funny. When I saw

it play back, I saw the humor in it.

Really? Where, Heather? Where? She said
on the show it was a fun bitch move.

It's a fun bitch move when I watched it
back. Yeah. No, it was funny.

Nobody found it funny. That's fine. We
all have different opinions. There's

jokes you make that I don't think are
funny. Yeah. I didn't pour champagne on

your head. I wouldn't pour champagne on
your head. But it was fun to watch it

happen. And I've never poured champagne
on your head. If you want to crucify me

for saying it was a fun bitch move.

You're going to have a really hard time
surviving on this couch.

Susan from Philly said Angie Kay
actually equated Jen not paying her back

the party to her conning people out of
money, which is what she said Jen was

indicted for.

Heather and Meredith, what's your
response to that?

Below the belt.

It was just hard for me to see. They've
been so close. They've been so close.

Yeah. A little champagne. So by
confronting Jen in front of the group. A

champagne. Did it take a bucket for me
to grasp the intention of the

I'm not saying that, Angie, and I'm not
defending her doing it. Don't

misunderstand me. Clearly, you are...
You are totally minimizing it and

supporting her. I am not minimizing it.
I'm saying that you are taking it to a

level. Let's see what happens when I
dump a drink on your head and how you

If I was at home and have an owner salon
and blow it out myself and not think

twice, I would have maybe been a little
irritated, but I wouldn't have

completely taken something to that
level, is what I'm saying. Coming

it wasn't that one moment. It went back
months.

and years, I was just at my tipping
point with her.

I had held my composure with her through
calling me a bitch, a fake bitch, a

thirsty bitch. You talked to Lisa, you
fake fraud bitch. She got mad we weren't

allowed to text each other.

Neither were Meredith and I.

There were many moments.

Heather's choir, you're bugging me and
you're only here because of me. It goes

back to what you said earlier.

Stay down here, bitch.

Stay on your leash or you're out.

May I ask you something, though? Sure.
Why am I responsible to know all that? I

didn't know any of that. Meredith, you
don't need to know my history with Jen,

but just reading the room in that moment
of how...

How uncomfortable I was. I mean, you
should work in a cubicle. You apparently

have zero people skills.

No, I don't work in a cubicle. And my
business is extraordinarily social.

I have very good people skills, Angie.

I haven't been the one trying to get on
the show for three years. I have not

called anyone.

Referred by one, two, and three.

Trying to get on the show. I'm from Salt
Lake City, okay? I know people here.

Oh, good. I'm not like your birthday
party.

Moving on. Moving on.

Moving on.

Angie Kay, you pissed off Meredith and
Heather by telling Lisa what Meredith

said about the SEC filing. Why bring it
up?

Well, I am friends with Lisa, and I
brought it up for a couple reasons. Two

before we went to San Diego, Jen was
trying to expose Heather's business to

And, you know, I don't want to embarrass
you because it wasn't kind.

She sat there sending me all this
information, calling you a lying bitch

hoe, saying that she was going to expose
your ass, okay?

Two days later, I'm watching her with
you and Meredith in the car doing the

exact same thing to Lisa, and I was very
triggered. I wanted to get the hell out

of that car, and the only way that I
felt like I could make it right was to

share with Lisa.

Which I'm glad she did.

And who is next, me? I've worked my ass
off for my business and reputation, and

I know you both have too, and I did not
like it.

What's your reaction to hearing that she
was trash -talking your business?

I think it's par for the course with
Jen.

And my business stands for itself, you
know? I'm really proud of it. I'm proud

of how it started.

Does it offend you or upset you to hear
that?

Well, it's just I find it interesting
how we have this selective morality,

we'll do it with Jen when it's about
someone that we want to do it with. But

nobody informed me until they found out
that Jen couldn't carry the ball to the

finish line and didn't give me an
ultimatum or do whatever she wanted to

how do we pick and choose when we're
just going to like stand up for truth

righteousness? It seems like it's never
on my behalf.

That's lumping a lot of people in
together. I'm not lumping you in. She

say anything about it. No, no, no, but
just by saying when we all go along with

it. I have never gone along with any
schemes with Jen. I have never

in that, and I actually think it's wrong
when Jen does that, and I've always

tried to help her to not do bad things.

Okay, let's change gears to the black
guy.

You ready, Heather? Totally. Bring it.

Coming up.

I don't know how I got the blackout. You
were making comments in San Diego that

you knew what happened, women in the
group knew what happened.

I started to remember certain things,
like Jen picked up the wig. I was like,

where was the wig? I remembered, like,
being by the pool. I thought, somebody

here knows.

Okay. Let's move on. You ready, Heather?
Yeah, totally. Bring it. Well, all eyes

were on Heather this season when she
woke up with a huge shiner in San Diego.

Was her black eye thanks to a drunken
blackout?

Do these women have a fight club we
don't know about?

Let's take a look.

What's the matter?

What's wrong?

What the f*** happened?

I don't want to get anyone in trouble,
Jen.

When did this happen?

We were with you until four in the
morning.

I don't want to talk about it. You know
what happened.

I don't know what happened.

I don't recall.

Okay, you don't remember how it
happened?

I didn't say I don't remember how it
happened.

I just said I'm not talking about it.
First rule about Fight Club.

Tell me about last night, because I
heard a lot of commotion.

Well, I think we all know what happened.
I just think we don't want to talk

about it. Wait, what happened?

Oh, my God. What the fuck happened?

Oh, my God. We don't know.

Can we go down there in a dredge?

What happened to you about the black
guy? Because we want to bring everything

so I can talk to these bitches.

All you have to say to shut all of them
up is, like, why don't we talk about how

Heather really got the black eye? Let's
do that.

You know what? Keep pushing me, guys,
and I'll tell you exactly how the black

eye happened.

I'm so confused at this point.

Like, is Heather saying that Jen had
something to do with this black eye? It

just doesn't make any sense.

Do you really not remember?

Did you black out?

Or do you know what happened?

I remember how I got it. You do? Yeah.

And other people know how I got it, too.

Do you have any recollection?

No. There's a part of me, and tell me if
I'm wrong, that, like, feels like

you're protecting somebody.

I don't really want to talk about it.

Okay. You told several different stories
relating to the eye.

You didn't know what happened. You knew
what happened.

Everybody here knows what happened.

Some people here know what happened.

What do you think happened?

I blacked out.

I don't know how it happened. I wish you
had said that in the moment because it

caused so much damage. I think that, you
know, an investigation was launched. I

wanted that investigation. I woke up
with it. There was an investigation that

didn't find anything. And there was no
additional footage, by the way, or else

it would have been shown. I know, and
that was after the fact. I woke up

terrified. I had my phone plugged in. I
was in pajamas.

Why say that you knew what happened?

Because I was scared that they would
rewrite the narrative in a way. If I

didn't know, then they could say
anything they wanted. And I was afraid.

they? Who's they?

My castmates. No, if you said you didn't
know what happened and you went to your

room and said, I blacked out because I
drank too much. That's what I meant when

I was like, everyone knows this
happened. No, we didn't. We didn't. No,

like they needed you to say the truth
because they impacted people that were

production that were up late with us.
And then it makes them look like they

it to you. I told them.

I said, I have no idea. I have no
memory. And then it spun out of control

that. It impacts livelihood.

It impacts everybody. And I'm really
sorry. But I wish you had just said you

didn't remember. You blacked out. You
blacked out drunk.

I would have choked on the words that he
said. It was humiliating. I don't want

to black out. I don't want to get drunk
and black out and have no memory of it.

It's terrifying.

You're not the first housewife.

Yeah, you're not the first one. I have a
lot of Mormon shame about drinking.

I've already dealt with a lot of it on
this show, and now it's public, and I'm

waking up with not a friend in the world
with a giant black eye, and that was

terrifying. It looked like you were
assaulted. It did. I know. And you had

scratches all over your body. It was
just like...

I woke up in a very, very high stress
situation with so much shame and

humiliation. There was no way to hide
it. And I went to my thing, which is

humor and like, just make it go away.
And it didn't go away, but I certainly

not want to implicate anyone here,
anyone on production.

It's my own guilt and shame about
blacking out and not being able to

Walk me through what you do remember.

I remember saying, Marilyn died in the
nude, and that's like flashing, you

and the titties part.

I remember joking around with the boobs,
and I remember coming in my room,

taking my wig off, and that's it.

And I woke up in my pajamas and a
horrible black eye, and Jen said,

my back and scratches on my arm, which
could have been anything.

And I didn't want an investigation. I
didn't want to, like, I was humiliated

because I was embarrassed.

Well, you just said you wanted an
investigation.

You just said I wanted an investigation.
No, I mean, I wanted an investigation

to rule it out that I'd not been
assaulted. I didn't want to do it then

Diego. This is after talking to
attorneys.

I spoke with the doctor. He said you'd
have to have a medical condition to not

know how you got that black eye.

And I don't know how I got the black
eye. The door handle jiggling was

Meredith and Angie Kay and Jen coming
into your room.

Do you remember that?

No. You don't remember them coming into
the room? I don't remember anything that

I saw on fold -on footage. I remembered
by the pool of... Do you remember

Meredith going into the room? And what
time was that? Late, like four in the

morning. Like four in the morning.
Three, four in the morning. And were you

blitzed as everyone else? I don't think
I was. No, I wasn't. I certainly wasn't

blackout. No, I...

I was surprised because people had said,
do you think Heather could have blacked

out? And I said, honestly, that dinner
was very long and the servers couldn't

come in because we were arguing. So
everyone was served one drink.

And then we went to that club and we
were there for, what, 20 minutes? Not

It wasn't long.

And so I didn't think anyone had had
that much to drink.

So why was Jen your first call the next
morning trying to figure out what

happened?

Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?

So why was Jen your first call the next
morning to try to figure out what

happened?

Because I trusted her the most.

Trusted her the most for what?

For coming up with a cover story when
you black out and you have a black eye.

But it also made her look guilty too.

The way that you talked about it, it
really seemed like you two got in an

altercation and you were like looking to
her like, are you going to say it? And

it wouldn't be surprising. I mean, look
at the yawn today before. Did you see

that? It like red. Did you ask her if it
was she?

Did you say, did you do this to me?

I think we joked about it.

Like, did I do this to you? Like, kind
of maybe in exchange. But like, it

about that. Like, I would have rather
have Jen do that to me than a stranger.

Do you think Jen punched you in the eye?

I don't know. I mean, I don't want to.
That's why I didn't want to have these

questions. Because I don't know. I
blacked out. So you don't know if she

you in the eye?

I cannot speak to anything other than I
walked to my room and I blacked out. Is

there a part of you that thought, if she
did this, I want

to cover it up so that she isn't
penalized in any greater way by a judge

in her case?

If I knew Jen did that, I would cover it
up. But that was not my intention. I

did not. I was blacked out.

Is your biggest regret of the season not
waking up and saying, you guys, I

blacked out last night and I'm so
embarrassed? I did say that when it

happened. You were making comments in
San Diego that you knew what happened,

women in the group knew what happened,
that were causing confusion.

Yeah, because we thought that maybe if
they knew that we knew, I mean...

Somebody would maybe say something.

And also I started to remember certain
things. Like Jen picked up the wig. I

like, where was the wig? I started to
put clues together. Some things were

coming back.

I remembered like being by the pool.
Like, you know what I mean? I thought

somebody here knows.

Like it was a horrible black eye that
took 10 days. It did not look like a

into a doorknob. We didn't even have
doorknobs. You blacked out. Anything

have happened. Anything could have
happened. And I assumed.

when I was on a show with cameras and
cast, that somebody would give me the

trigger that would make me remember.

And I still don't know.

All right. I still don't know how I got
it.

I want to know from the ladies, how do
you think this happened?

I believed that she had an accident and
didn't remember. She blacked out.

Or Jen hit her.

I have two theories. I thought maybe she
tripped and fell. My second thing was

Jen was very off and not present the
next day. She was very quiet to herself.

She was on her phone a lot. And then
when production asked Heather at the

dinner, what happened to your eye, Jen
looked at her quietly and said, what are

you going to say happened?

And that just gave me a very kind of
dark feeling that there was something

they knew that they were not sharing
with the rest of the group.

Dana? I think, honestly, if they got
drunk, they had a great time, and maybe

there were some elbows thrown
accidentally, or maybe she accidentally

and she remembered it, but you didn't
remember it. Angie Kay, at the finale,

said she may have received the black eye
during Barbie scissor kicks and

suggested that it may be the result of
some sort of sexcapade gone wrong.

What led you to believe that?

Well, I was talking to some people and
they said, have you ever heard of any

sexual relations between Heather and
Jen?

Next week, it's part two of the Real
Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion.

Bringing awareness to paint play is
something that I'm very passionate

A toe in the taint is pretty sexy.

I think I can help you, too, though. I
can bring you back together.

I think he means Seth and I. Yes, I can
bring Meredith and Lisa back together. I

think you have a new career, Dr.

Phil.

I've just been schooled to never talk
about these things.

I've already felt the pressure of
writing the book. You know, I'm in

with the church.

She pled guilty.

That doesn't make you have any reaction.

It's horrible, like, to hear that. I
mean, it is so wild to me. You're

there in the tub gloating about her
sentence, and now you're like, meh,

whatever.

There was speculation that she pled
guilty to keep Coach from being

implicated. If that was true, it makes
sense.

So does that mean you think he possibly
had knowledge in his wedding or take the

ball?

Possibly.