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Good evening, everybody.

You know, go with me on this.

You tell me you might disagree with me,

but something is happening in this country

and I believe you can feel it.

Even if you can't quite name it,

the anger that once powered the MAGA movement right now.

Hey, look, you know, the, what would you call it?

The, I believe that the MAGA movement is losing its grip.

Because all the chaos that once kept people glued

to the news, like it was a reality show, right?

That has turned into fatigue.

Like people are just exhausted with all of that craziness.

And tell me if I'm wrong, if you think I'm wrong

and we can't hope.

And after this week's elections,

you can see it in the numbers.

I told you guys, hold on.

There were people who were saying,

you know, this no Kings protest,

it doesn't mean anything about,

okay, I understand what you're saying,

but you have to give people a place to start.

Something that gives them confidence,

something that shows them that they have power.

And I believe that this one protest,

along with a whole lot of other things

that MAGA is doing, Donald Trump is doing,

that's what's leading people to say, you know what?

I'm sick of it, okay?

So you see it in the numbers,

you see it in the faces of the candidates,

you see it even the tone of conservative media.

I believe the spell is broken.

I truly do.

So Tuesday night wasn't just a win for Democrats,

it was a rejection,

a rejection of dysfunction,

of rejection of violence,

a rejection of government by grievance.

I think that people are just over it right now,

over it.

Now again, you guys can tell me

if you think I'm wrong in all this,

I don't believe I'm wrong.

I think that voters didn't just say yes to one party,

they said no to the entire circus.

They said no to the chaos,

no to being constantly afraid

of what tomorrow's tweet or tantrum might bring.

Look at the results from Virginia.

Look at the results from Kentucky.

Look at the results from New Jersey.

The results from all of it,

the results from New York.

The pattern is clear.

The Republican Party that Donald Trump built

around outrage and fear is collapsing under its own weight.

People are done with it right now.

They're done with the shutdowns,

they're done with the lies,

they are done with all of it,

with the performative cruelty.

That is, that's passed off as leadership.

Done.

D-O-N-E done.

And when you think about it, it does make sense

because you can only govern by anger for so long

before anger starts eating itself alive.

You know what I mean?

It's like when you hold onto something, anger,

it just starts eating you up.

This week, that exhaustion became visible

because you saw Marjorie Taylor Greene out there.

She's once the loudest voice in the MAGA choir,

suddenly trying on a new tone.

She's all over, she's on The View,

a show that skews liberal.

She's out there talking about unity

and women supporting each other,

sitting down in daytime talk shows

and saying things like, "Both parties have failed."

The same woman who used to call for Democrats

to be expelled from Congress

is now talking about finding common ground.

Imagine that.

It's a pivot, yes, but I don't think

it's a moral awakening yet.

I believe it could be survival.

We're gonna discuss that with our legends.

It could be survival.

I don't know.

You let me know what you think.

Look, who knows what's happening?

I think she knows what's happening.

I think she sees what's happening.

She knows that Trump's movement

has become meaner and less effective and smaller.

That is, it's losing in the courts,

it's losing in the polls

and it's losing the public's patience

because look around everyone.

The walls are closing in.

A federal judge in Chicago just today, did you see that?

Ordered ICE and the border patrol

to stop using excessive force on civilians

and journalists as well.

I mean, after a shocking case there revealed

that a senior border patrol chief

lied about being attacked,

lied about being attacked by protestors.

Now, how can you be a leader in the movement

or whatever it is that you're doing?

How can you be a leader

and then you're going to lie

about being attacked by a protestors?

Lied and he claimed that he was hit with a rock.

He wasn't.

The judge said the government's own evidence

exposed the lie.

She said what those agents did,

firing pepper balls into a crowd

that included clergy and reporters shocked the conscience

and she banned them from doing it again.

And one of the people who is pivotal in that,

I don't know if you guys remember this guy, Rob Hand,

Rob Held, excuse me,

Rob Held is an attorney in Chicago.

He was out there at the Broadview facility

when we were there in Chicago helping the protestors.

Remember the guy saying on the bullhorn saying,

I don't understand your tactics.

You're not making sense.

It's not logical.

Well, that guy is going to be here a little bit later on

to discuss and take questions from our legends.

And you know what that means.

Accountability is coming back into style

because for years the MAGA

movement thrived on breaking rules

and bragging about it,

but now the system is pushing back.

The courts are saying no,

the voters are saying no, even the Supreme Court.

Yes, that Supreme Court is signaling

that Trump's attempt to unilaterally impose

and the sweeping tariffs

might not hold up under the constitution.

Those conservative justices

who spent years empowering him

are suddenly looking uncomfortable now,

and they should.

Because power without limits always comes back around.

It's one thing to love the king

when the crown fits your politics, right?

It's another when that king starts taxing your donors,

imports, and then threatening your economy.

And that's exactly what's happening right now.

Trump's tirade on this country,

tirades every single day.

People are tired of them.

His trade fantasy is hitting the wall of reality.

Those tariffs that he wants,

the ones he keeps promising,

will bring back American greatness.

That's what he says.

They would send consumer prices through the roof.

Did you guys see the jobs report

this morning that we showed you?

The worst one in 22 years.

Those things would hit the very people these tariffs said,

they would have voted for Donald Trump.

They would hit them hardest.

So the court is hesitating.

Wall Street is nervous.

The business community that once wrote checks

to Trump's campaign,

starting to quietly look for exits now.

All this is part of the bigger story,

the unraveling of the MAGA illusion.

That illusion that America is broken

and only Trump can fix it.

But look at the results.

The border is a mess.

The economy is volatile right now.

Violence has become normalized.

Public trust is at record lows.

None of it is fixed.

It has just become louder.

The illusion said that we're fighting for working people.

But every policy from tax cuts to tariffs

has helped the rich and hurt the middle class.

The illusion said that we're restoring law and order.

But this week, a federal court had to step in

to stop government agents from breaking the law.

The illusion said that we are making America

respected again.

But what the world sees is a country at war with itself,

led by people who confuse cruelty for strength

and call that leadership.

And now the people are done.

They are over it.

You can see it in how they vote, how they talk,

how they move, how we vote, how we talk, how we move.

The same voters who once showed up for Trump rallies

are sitting them out.

The crowds are smaller, the enthusiasm is gone,

even Fox News has started cutting away

from some of his speeches.

And when that happens,

you know the magic has left the building.

It's happening slowly, but it is happening.

You may not, you may not have even noticed it yet.

You may not have noticed it yet.

Even the small stories tell the truth here.

Like the viral Thanksgiving post that Trump shared,

bragging that dinner prices are down 25%.

Do we have that?

He's saying that the dinner prices are down 25%

and had to be fact checked.

Was fact checked on, I believe it was his own true social

or on Twitter.

What he didn't say was that the meal now includes

fewer items and cheaper brands.

It's symbolic of the entire movement.

It's like when he was there with Jerome Powell.

And he, do you remember that when he was talking about

the buildings and that it was,

they were like three buildings or something,

all these buildings and they got them up in record time

and it cost whatever.

And he's like, that's not even part of this process.

So that's indicative of the entire movement.

Sell you less, call it more and count on you not to notice.

I believe he's deluded by his own lies,

but people are noticing,

they are noticing that their rent is higher,

that their groceries are higher,

their sense of safety is lower.

They are noticing that the only people still defending

this mess are the ones who profit from this mess.

And they are asking real questions right now.

There's a thing, I wanted, this one is just outrageous.

I just want to read it to you.

This one is outrageous.

So Donald Trump tweets, and this is, I guess it's on X

or maybe he put it on true social, who knows?

And then they put it on X, but it says,

"Prices for Thanksgiving dinner is now down 25%

since under sleepy crooked Joe Biden in 2024.

Affordability is a Republican stronghold.

Hopefully Republicans will use this irrefutable fact."

And then readers added context.

And it says, "This is missing context."

These are the community notes, I believe on X.

"The 2025 Walmart Thanksgiving meal contains 15 items

while the 2024 meal contained 21 items.

Additionally, most of the brand items in 2024 meal

were replaced with great value items."

And then the links are there to give the facts.

Do you guys think, I'm gonna

ask my legends in a little bit,

but do you guys think that maybe Donald,

do the people around Donald Trump are feeding him lies

or do you think he's just lying anyways

because he feels that he needs to, or he doesn't know.

Maybe he's just, maybe he's delusional.

And maybe there's some cognitive decline setting in,

perhaps dementia, we don't know.

I'm just saying perhaps.

So I'm just wondering, maybe he's getting some bad advice.

His advisors aren't helping him.

So the real people have real questions out,

like why are we paying for the mistakes of people

who keep saying that they are fighting for us?

When in all actuality, they're not fighting for us.

Why are billionaires and influencers,

why are they the only ones thriving

while ordinary Americans are told to trust the plan?

The plan was chaos and chaos is bad business.

So when you look at the election map this week,

what you're really seeing is a country

trying to find its balance again, right?

Trying to steady itself again,

trying to shake off the noise

and return to something steady.

It's not about partisanship, what you're saying.

It's about sanity.

It's about people saying enough already.

Enough is enough.

This video right here that we're gonna play,

I wanna show you someone.

Do you want the incident where it happened or his response?

This is the incident where it happened.

So this is the person who's gonna speak with us.

Look, look at the folks who are here,

independent folks, journalists.

Right, that's me.

I don't know if I've seen any, there may be one.

So the man on this bullhorn is Rob Held.

He went viral from one of our social media posts

during all of this, as he was speaking on a bullhorn

to the officers who were trying to push us,

corral us, kettle us, whatever you wanna call it.

Well, there was a big court decision today by a judge

and it did not bode well for ICE,

for Border Patrol and for MAGA.

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Okay, I wanna show you the video today

was put on social media

and then we're gonna bring Rob Helden.

Rob Held posted this video on social media

about a ruling that came down

that I'm sure all of you will be happy about.

Here it is.

Ice has been handcuffed.

Judge Ellis just pranked at the preliminary injunction

prohibiting ice from the tactics and weapons

that have terrorized and traumatized Chicago.

She called Gregory Bovino a liar.

The injunction is in place and ice must abide.

Government lawyers are almost certainly working

on the appeal right now.

Details to follow later.

Rob Held joins us.

He's a Chicago based attorney

and he has been there the entire time

fighting for people's rights in Chicago.

Rob, good evening to you.

Thanks for joining.

This was a big decision.

Big decision, it's huge.

The judge Sarah Ellis in a quiet voice, soft spoken woman,

but with powerful words called Gregory Bovino a liar.

She said the government's case was not credible.

She could not believe the testimony that she heard,

but the testimony from the plaintiffs was powerful

and it was gut wrenching.

Tell us about this case exactly

and what the ruling was Rob.

Sure.

Journalists brought a lawsuit against the government

for the tactics that have been used against innocent

protestors and bystanders and journalists as well.

And what the government has been doing

is essentially targeting peaceful demonstrators

and journalists who are trying to record

and to make sure that they're not

being taken seriously. And so, I think that's a big decision.

What's going on?

And sometimes they're just observer

that you know, having a policy

where arrest is being made themselves

or the observer themselves become the target

of these aggressive and violent tactics

and the judge will not stand for it.

And quite frankly, Don, neither will the people of Chicago.

The mobilization that we're seeing, the tremendous energy,

the neighborly like connections that are being made now

is something that I've never seen before.

Before we talk about that, I just wanna ask you

because a judge, it says that the judge ruled

that border patrol official lied about threats

before restricting agents use of force.

Well, the government's position is that,

every time they use force, it's necessary.

And there are violent rioters

and they're using the least amount of force necessary

to quell the threat or protect agents, but that's not true.

This according to the Associated Press,

I'm just reading the headline and maybe you can explain.

It says, "Chicago judge says border patrol official

lied about threats before restricting agents use of force."

So, they're saying that an agent,

somehow a border patrol official lied about the threats.

And so, did the judge contend that someone was lying

from the government or from border patrol or from ICE?

Don, there's many people that know Gregory Bovino.

He's the chief border patrol agent.

Gregory Bovino lied.

He lied in his deposition.

The judge called him a liar.

And everybody that's seen the evidence

knows that the top border patrol official

under this Trump administration lied to the court.

And he admitted that he lied.

He said he got hit by a rock.

And that's why he was justified

in lobbing tear gas canisters at peaceful protesters.

He wasn't hit by a rock.

The video evidence showed that he wasn't hit by a rock.

And ultimately he admitted that he lied.

He was never hit by a rock.

There was no justification for his lobbing tear gas

canisters into peaceful protesters.

All right, that's what I was trying to get at.

So, you know, and the judge,

this is a quote from Judge Sarah Ellis.

I see little reason for the use of force

that federal agents are currently using,

said the district judge Sarah Ellis.

I don't find the defendant's versions of events credible.

So she doesn't find it credible.

She says, unless such force's objective is necessary

to prevent an immediate threat, it also bars,

that's what it bars.

It bars them from using, as you said,

riot control weapons, certain riot control weapons,

such as tear gas and pepper balls,

unless that force is objectively necessary

to prevent an immediate threat.

Also bars agents from using physical force,

including shoving protesters and journalists to the ground.

And it requires agents to give two warnings

before using a riot control weapons.

Now, I remember when we were out there and you said,

I don't understand your tactics.

I don't understand what you're doing.

And that was the reason because they weren't abiding

by those rules or similar rules

that you were out here saying that when we were there.

Well, Don, to be clear, the video you have of me

and when we met, those were state police.

So this, we're talking about Broadview, Illinois,

a federal detention facility.

There's been a change in what's going on there.

And for the last-

There were some ICE agents out there.

There were a couple, but most of them were state police.

Absolutely, yeah.

The big line of troops that you see are state policemen.

But going back to Judge Ellis's order

and what's happening is that for months,

we had ICE agents literally taking pot shots

at peaceful demonstrators.

I myself was shot at by a federal agent

who had no basis to use any force against me

because I was simply demonstrating.

Now I demonstrate in a very vocal and animated

and derogatory way to express my feelings

about the administration.

I make no secret about that.

But words are not a justification

for pepper balls being fired from a federal agent.

So you said that the entire community has come together

and the community is galvanized in ways

that in unimaginable ways.

Even more so than we were there,

I think when I was there a couple of weeks ago,

people were just kind of shocked

that it had gotten to the level that it had gotten.

And now I feel like they have steadied them still

and they are also stronger and

more willing to push back now

and they're feeling empowered.

Can you talk to me about that?

Well, I love that because we all have to stand up.

We have to support one another.

We have to treat each other as the neighbors that we are.

And there's so many apps and different community groups

and there's watch groups and there are moms

that have to stay by their phone

because they're afraid that ICE

is gonna show up at their school.

They're afraid that somebody's gonna get pulled over

while they're bringing a child to school or from school.

They're all over the neighborhoods.

I mean, part of I think what's going on

is that the border patrol agents,

because the number of immigrants coming through

the southern border is down so much,

all these agents have been redeployed

into cities like Chicago.

So we've got, if I go to my app and see what's going on,

there are incidents all over the city all the time

and some of them are violent.

Are people still protesting out at Broadview?

I understand that they had moved it

or they tried to restrict it or make it even smaller.

There have been changes in what the local forces

have required in terms of where we can protest

and the hours that we can protest.

So you're seeing on that video,

those look like state police clashing with protesters.

Yeah, I'm out there a lot.

The good news is that we do not interact

with the federal agents at all

because the state police, the county police,

the local police, and then other agencies

are out there as well.

So everybody but the federal forces are out there.

I'm trying to see.

That looks like it's where you were a couple of weeks ago.

That spot is now closed.

We're at a different location,

much closer to the federal detention facility

in Broadview, Illinois.

Yeah, so there was a, I believe it's a preschool

where they picked up a preschool student.

I think it was on the North side of Chicago.

Let me play and then I would get your response to it.

One second, Don.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, the number of incidents are,

it's just, it's exploding,

but people are reacting by forming groups,

watch groups, and talking to one another,

texting one another.

And Evanston in particular, you know,

has galvanized themselves.

And the mayor of Evanston said,

"I've got a simple message for ICE.

Get the hell out of our town."

Really?

And what happened?

Did they leave?

No, President Trump has said that there,

and DHS, the Department of Homeland Security

has said that they're, in essence, doubling down.

They're gonna rejuvenate the forces

and come at us just as hard.

And there's no reason.

There is no reason.

We want the violent criminals,

the worst of the worst picked up.

But what we don't want are people that are not criminals

and not violent, violently arrested,

along with sometimes protestors

and observers and journalists.

I was detained along with an independent journalist

at the end of September.

Well, there's also, you know,

I mentioned the preschool person

and the preschool teacher being picked up

and then people speaking out about that.

But also then there was a sort of a visual protest

for that person.

So for the person, and it shows me again,

what you're saying is that people are sticking by

one another now, and they've gotten used to the tactics.

But they at least are aware of the kinds of tactics

that ICE and the border patrol and the National Guard

and even whoever is out there picking people up,

the type of tactics that they might use.

That's right.

And our governor specifically has asked every citizen

in the state of Illinois, record ICE,

observe, record, and catalog every time you see ICE.

Now he has emphasized that we should not interfere

and plead obstruct in any way.

Obviously, but there is a definite sense

that we all need to be looking at what ICE is doing

and recording it on video as well.

And there's a separate initiative where they're gonna try

to have a repository and identify by biometric

and other data, every single federal agent

that has broken the law and turn that over

to an investigative body to see whether federal agents

should be prosecuted.

As an attorney, I wanna get your take on this.

Andy, I sent it earlier.

I sent two of them.

I sent a protest of the preschool thing

and the North side of Chicago.

It's in the chat from earlier.

And I sent the another version of the same video

of them picking up the teacher.

And it was also yesterday evening, we had it as well.

Where was I?

I'm wondering as an attorney, what you think will happen

because you're saying they're using biometrics

to identify some of these people because they're masked.

Do you think that there will be accountability

at some point after this is over for the people

who are out there abusing people

and who are enacting or acting on unlawful orders?

Will there be some sort of Nuremberg type accountability

after this?

I hope so.

There's certainly people that are interested

in collecting the data to make a determination

whether or not it should be turned over to police agencies

or a local or state agency to investigate

whether crimes have been committed

and whether charges can be made.

I think that'll happen because the truth is,

you can see it in videos,

the ICE agents to a large degree,

they're bullies, they're improperly trained,

they're improperly supervised.

And as Judge Ellis said today,

they're violating the constitution.

Violating the constitution, but then what happens?

I'm wondering if anything is going to happen to them

because even when Donald Trump is ordered by judges,

excuse me, the administration,

they will-- Pardon them?

They just won't know.

They'll defy the judge and they just won't do it.

I know, that's why it's gotta be a local county

or state agency that should bring charges.

The federal government, I mean, even Judge Ellis said,

your case is not credible.

Now I talked to the lead attorney

for the United States government

and he is a well-educated individual

with a great deal of grace,

obviously a very intelligent and knowledgeable person.

But look, when it comes down to it,

a judge is entitled to believe a witness

and not believe another witness.

I mean, there was this Gregory Bovino testified

and another border patrol agent testified live in person.

Yesterday afternoon, I saw him testify.

And I can tell you what I think's going on.

What I think is going on is there are two facts

that are true at the same time.

Occasionally, there is a protester or someone else

who is overly aggressive

and ICE wants to take action against them.

So when ICE testifies,

they point to the examples where,

oh, look, we were justified

because look what happened here.

But we've got scores and more than scores of incidents

where ICE has used their weapons and tactics

on peaceful protesters like myself and others,

people I know, Pastor Black.

So many people have been subject to this cruel violence.

I myself was sprayed with mace directly into my face

at a time when I posed no threat to anyone

and I was not obstructing

or impeding the federal agents in any way.

I was in fact behind a fence

and got a spray full of mace into my face,

just basically for shouting at them.

Now, this is the preschool video that I wanted to show you

and get your reaction.

You're supposed to tell your children

that law enforcement is taking care of you, right?

That they're here to serve and protect,

that they're keeping us safe.

What are we supposed to tell our children?

What kinds of conversations are we now supposed to have?

President Trump?

A member of our community was violently taken

out of this daycare with children on site,

with fellow educators on site.

I am horrified by what has happened here today.

Our community has been shattered.

Our families have been traumatized.

The children were crying, the parents were crying.

It's a scene that I don't think any of us

have ever witnessed before and will ever forget.

No, there was no warrant.

No, they don't care about documentation.

My understanding from what I've seen

and from what I've heard is that

numerous laws were violated.

And there you see the video of them.

Imagine if you're, you know,

these are preschool students watching this.

You're supposed to only take the criminals.

Yeah, it's a tragedy what's going on.

And when I was in court yesterday morning

and watching the witnesses testify,

you can hear the tremor in their voice.

You can hear the timber and the pitch

and the intonation by which they describe

what happened to them.

Some of them are still in shock

because not only is it like an innocent person

being arrested, I mean, you can be arrested

and officer can say, you know, you're under arrest.

Put your hands behind your back, turn around

and you can be coughed and taken away.

That's not how they make arrests.

That's not what they're doing.

And there was video played for the judge

and for people in court yesterday

where innocent people were violently tackled

or maced or pepper balls were shot at them

or tear gas was lobbed and then they violently arrest you.

And it's traumatizing.

And now people have seen it in person.

They've seen it on video and it is disturbing.

I mean, I'm a fairly strong person

and I served in the military,

but it is really troubling to know what's happening

in our community right now and to see it firsthand

and to hear people talk about it.

Yeah, these are people who are standing up

and they were standing up for that teacher.

They had a protest the other night, here it is.

(audience applauding)

So there it is right there.

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Bob Held, come on in, raise your hand.

Anybody have any questions for Bob?

A big ruling today.

Over here.

Hi, I'm on fire.

I don't know if, oh, sorry, Don, before I start, it's Jen.

I know, I see you Jen, how are you?

Good, my Instagram is at, he's good.

Instagram is at Jen's mad, J-E-N-N-S-M-A-D.

Jen is also in Chicago, Bob.

Yes, and I've seen you at the protest.

I'm the one with the loud megaphone.

I'm just yelling at the ice people, so.

I love you.

You're so great with the megaphone.

You are awesome.

Oh, thank you so much.

So I'm on fire because I watched

the whole press conference yesterday

about that woman that they stole

who has a work permit, by the way.

And also they made up this horrific lie

that she tried to run into the school

and use these children basically as human shields

when in fact they went in there without a warrant,

people were trying to stop them.

And one guy went from room to room,

rooms with children in them with his gun,

looking for more people to steal

and leave those children unattended

with less teachers to watch them.

It is unconscionable.

It is another-- What's your question?

Sorry, I thought you were done, I'm sorry.

Now you're muted.

Sorry, my question is today when you were in the hearing,

when they played the Bovino deposition testimony,

how did the court react to him just

refusing to even acknowledge reality?

Good question.

Judge Ellis, as I said, soft-spoken woman,

said Mr. Bovino lied.

I mean, it's just that simple.

There's no elaboration, no pounding the table,

no shouting, it's just a statement from a federal judge.

It's powerful.

And so, but to her question,

how did everyone react?

Because you said even he admitted, right, am I wrong?

He admitted that he lied.

Yeah, he admitted he lied.

The courtroom was silent.

The judge read her order for 90 minutes, 90 minutes,

just reading a long granting of a preliminary injunction

with the beginning of reading a poem by Sandburg, Chicago.

And the courtroom was silent.

There were approximately 14 lawyers

for the various plaintiffs groups that were there.

The government lawyers, there's normally seven or so.

There was only three junior lawyers present.

I think, honestly, I think lead counsel for the government

was already working on their appeal right then and there

while she was reading her ruling.

I wouldn't be surprised

if the appeal gets filed immediately.

Yeah, Jen Griffin, you have a question?

No, actually I don't,

but I just wanted to say that I am appalled

by the Gestapo tactics that we've seen.

And if anybody doesn't see the similarity between this

and the thirties in Germany, then you're blind.

All right, well, can I get a little vignette, an anecdote?

I'm at Broadview, Illinois, the detention facility a lot.

I was there one day and I usually have an American flag

over my shoulders at times and a border patrol,

not border patrol, but federal agents in a vehicle

came by in their vehicle, rolled down the window and said,

if that flag touches the ground, I'm gonna arrest you.

And I said, if it touches the ground here,

or if you mean I'm at your facility

and it touches the ground,

I was kind of torquing him a little bit.

And he said, he just repeated it.

And at that point, since I'd already been detained once

and my wife will kill me if I get arrested again,

I literally ran away from that vehicle as fast as I could.

Because they were just looking for an excuse.

Yes, but it's also, I mean, if you think about it,

you can, I wouldn't do it,

but you can burn an American flag to show your,

you know, disagreement with the government policies.

Here I was carrying, I'm patriotic actually,

carrying the flag as a patriot.

And he was threatening and trying to instigate something.

I wasn't gonna have any of it.

And you're, didn't you serve the country?

I did, I was at Air Force.

Yeah.

And who else?

Anyone else have a question for Bob?

I have a question.

Go ahead.

Do you still have to be able to talk to people?

We can't hear you.

Can you start over please and get closer to the phone?

Do you think after this administration is over,

will we be able to prosecute these ICE agents

that are really doing so much harm to our cities?

Boy, it's a great question.

Maybe way above my pay grade,

but my hope and expectation is that local, county,

and state prosecutors will prosecute,

the crimes that occurred.

At this point, and who knows what a new administration

will bring, but obviously I do not trust

the Department of Justice right now.

Katie.

Right.

So something that really concerns me

as the parent of a preschooler is obviously the ICE agents

going in with their guns and stuff,

but like do people not realize also what it takes

for anybody to literally enter a preschool

regarding like clearances and background checks?

And these ICE agents are like not vetted at all.

So how do we even know that these people

can even be around kids?

I mean, like look at all of the January sixers

who were pardoned and have already been rearrested

for like child crimes.

So I guess my question would be,

do you think the parents are like getting together

to sue ICE or something from this?

Because the trauma alone that like these poor kids

must've had to go through, I just like,

I'm gonna hug my daughter extra tight tonight,

just like hearing about it.

It just makes me so sad and so angry.

It's awful.

And I don't know about any plans.

There are a number of lawsuits going,

but they're not the kind of lawsuit

that you're talking about.

They're more at the,

they're violating the constitutional rights of detainees

or violating the constitutional rights of journalists.

Those kinds of suits is what out there.

What I think parents, because I hear it from people,

I'm getting texts and phone calls

and direct messages all the time,

is that people just wanna know, is my child safe?

Can they get to and from school?

Are they now the question we're asking in Chicago,

are kids safe even in school,

for the very reason that you point out?

Bob, Olia works with immigration

and she's been giving us some really good information

and informing us on what is happening,

especially with judges that they're being replaced.

Olia, go ahead.

Yeah, so a lot of judges are actually being fired,

being let go all around the country,

not just, I'm in Washington state,

not just in Washington state,

but additional judges are

being brought in and they're jags.

So they are attorneys from the, like military attorneys

who have zero immigration experience, don't know the law.

Their training is very short, very brief.

They don't know immigration law,

but they're being put into place.

And my concern is that the reason they're being put

is to just give a straight out no for, you know,

people applying for asylum, people who are in removal,

who have decent good asylum cases,

but it's just basically to move it forward

by just saying no to all of these respondents,

to all of these people.

So that's a huge concern of mine.

Spot on, that's exactly right.

The Trump administration determined to fire

a whole bunch of immigration judges.

So they were short-handed.

Now they need more immigration judges

and you made a reference to jags.

So that is a military,

a person serving in the military as a lawyer.

And what they've done is they've sent out letters

to all the military lawyers in

the various branches and said,

hey, we need an emergency, you know,

assignment for you to serve as an immigration judge.

They are gonna get minimal training.

Now many of them are extremely competent lawyers,

but as you point out,

they don't have experience in

a very complex area of the law,

which is immigration law.

So yes, there are military lawyers coming in

to fill the gap based on the fact

that they just fired earlier, you know, these judges.

Unbelievable. Yeah, and another thing.

Oh, sorry, go ahead, Alia, sorry.

And another thing that I've noticed is like exactly what

I would like to amplify that a lot of these ICE agents

that are being recruited,

that are being put into the positions,

they're not vetted and they are there to intimidate people.

A lot of the people that they are taking into custody

and the detention centers here in Tacoma, for example,

they do have like whether parole or they have TPS,

they don't have violent crimes.

So for this administration to say that, you know,

they're finding like the worst of the worst

and they're, you know, deporting the worst of the worst

that is completely untrue.

That's bullshit, I'll say it for you.

Yeah, it's completely false.

And from what I see, it's just horrible.

And that teacher that was taken, for example,

you were talking about in preschool,

we just had one here in Issaquah,

a parent who was taking their child to preschool.

She was pulled out of her car

when she got to the preschool.

The cruelty is the point.

That's the scariest part because cruelty

is the whole point of this.

This is not about safety.

This is not about a safety of our country.

This is about being as cruel as possible to,

I don't know, to prove a point to somebody

and to make people, you know,

like to make brown people feel like you're not human,

we shouldn't treat you the same.

It's a fear tactic and it's also to criminalize,

you know, brown people.

But let me, I wanna play this since you mentioned

the fear in people, okay?

But, and I'll get to you guys, but I wanna play this

and then you guys can ask a question.

Andy, if you can get the kid, I forget where he is.

He may be, is he in Washington?

He's in Oregon, I believe.

And this is what he, a very heartfelt message

that he had for people, here it is.

Asking you guys, every single one of you guys

are sitting up here.

You're actually here with us and do something about it

because I'm tired of it.

Hello, my name's Randy.

I just wanted to tell you guys and say that

I really hope you guys do side with us

and you guys really do hear what we're saying for you guys

because all of us here are actually trying to fight

for what's right and fight for our rights.

And I just wanna tell you guys that

I'm scared for my parents to walk out there.

To walk out their house because I might not be able

to say goodbye to them if they go to work.

I might not ever be able to say bye or see them again

if you guys don't side with us.

And I'm scared because of it because they fought so hard

to come here and choose a life for their kids.

And I really hope you guys do hear what everyone

in this room has been saying and I hope you guys

do side with us because we are fighting for our rights

and we are getting treated like animals

because people, judges by the color of our skin

and the way that we talk.

And we have a president that acts like a child

and doesn't side with us because of the way

he thinks about us.

And we have a police department that doesn't do anything

about us and that we are here fighting more than they are.

So I hope that you guys actually do hear

what everyone in this center is hearing or talking about

so you guys can side with us and listen to what everyone's

saying because everyone is scared.

I'm scared that I'm never

gonna be able to see all my friends

again, I'm scared that their parents are gonna be gone

one day, I'm scared that all of us are gonna have to fend

for ourselves and I'm scared that one day at school

that I'm gonna get held by people that I don't know,

people that are covered, people that I can't identify

because they wear masks and they don't properly ID

themselves, I'm scared that everyone that I love is not,

I'm not gonna be able to see them again because even though

that they're US citizens, they don't care about us.

They treat us like dogs, they treat us like animals.

No one here.

This poor young man, Bob.

Because the color of our skin, so I'm out.

Oh, I'm out.

I know.

Oh my gosh, that kid and to Oly's point, the cruelty

is the point, was that Kev who was talking?

Yeah, yeah, that was new.

Go ahead Kev.

That's hard to watch, like all the legends are

in tears right now, it's like the compassion

and the humanity has just evaporated.

It's so sad and unfortunate to see, but my question is,

like what can a person like me or the other legends do

to combat this?

Because I understand, you know, immigration is a sensitive

issue and it's something that has to be addressed,

but cruelty wasn't the point when Obama was

deporting people.

It was nothing like this, he's deported the most people.

It's like they're, I don't even get it.

It's just sad and it's bullshit.

Yeah.

But I hate to say it, but I'm glad this moment

is happening because minorities and black people

have had to deal with this for--

Exactly.

I don't know how long.

Yeah.

And it's never been acknowledged.

That is the original sin of this country.

Slavery is the original sin.

So it's heartbreaking that it's happening to people,

but I'm glad it's on a national spotlight

because it has to stop and the root of it in this country

needs to be solved.

So Bob, two questions.

One, he said, what can people, what can legends do?

People like Kevin and Jen and Olia and Jennifer and Wendy

and all the folks who are here, Andrea, what can we do?

And the other question is, he brings a very good point.

And I understand the point because I have a very similar,

I felt similarly during the,

to the outcome of the election on Tuesday night,

I was like, I hope Donald Trump keeps doing this stuff

because then that makes people not wanna vote against him.

Although I don't want people to be treated cruelly,

but you get what I'm saying.

I don't want people being dragged out,

but all right, just keep it up because the more you do it,

the more it ensures that you will not be elected

or anyone on the MAGA ticket will be elected in 26 and 28.

So Bob, those two questions.

There'll be no denying it.

Yep.

So what can we do?

And the other thing is, do you think all of these pictures,

like as in the civil rights movement,

the Edmund Pettus Bridge and all of that,

do you think that it's affecting Americans

in a way that motivates them to make it stop?

Yes, because I see what's happening in my life

and I see what's happening in Chicago

where people are coming together.

They're standing up for one another.

They're doing what our governor said,

which is to record what ICE is doing

every time they come out of their vehicle,

every time they drive on our streets.

So we record what they're doing,

but everyone should do what's in their sweet spot.

For the legends, they can get the word out.

More people have to be educated.

Some people can write.

I can use a bullhorn at a protest.

Other people can stand up, give money to organizations,

legal organizations and organizations

that are helping immigrants write to your congressman,

show up at a protest, do whatever you can do,

whatever you feel motivated to do,

but work in solidarity and support one another

because as we resist, this

administration and ICE will melt.

I wanna get to Natasha.

Natasha, you are very emotional, why?

It breaks my heart

because like he said, they're treating them

like they're not human.

And I had to talk to my therapist about this

a couple of weeks ago because I had a lot of anger

and hurt because I'm an empath anyway.

And I can't understand how people can just look at people

like this and look at them like they're animals.

I even see on social media where people are like,

good, I'm glad this is happening.

Get them out of here.

They don't care.

And just when they're saying illegal aliens,

they're thinking of them as less than human.

And it just breaks my heart.

Anytime I see this, we shouldn't be here.

And one thing I do online is I try to educate people

on social media.

Like I don't argue with them.

I come at them very nicely.

And sometimes I actually see

where people are thinking differently.

So that's where I can't physically protest,

but I try to get people to think differently

or see things differently, not

necessarily think differently.

Well, when I say everybody has to be willing

to sacrifice something and that's what you can do.

You can only do what you can do.

And so we appreciate that.

That's a lot.

Sandra, you've had your hand up for a long time.

Yes, hi, Don and greetings and elimination.

I finally get to be on and I do have a question.

My question is that I've been following the legal shows

in terms of all the court cases that are going on.

But what I'm not hearing, I'm excited.

I mean, I get that feeling, I was feeling that way,

but now that the court cases are going through

and we're starting to see some movement.

But what I think is happening is that

we're all in separate areas and we're all,

I'm wondering, is there a network, number one,

of where we can take our platforms in terms of our power,

our dollars, the same way we went out

and protested for Kings,

that we could start supporting the people like yourself

that are actually out there doing the legal work to give

so that we could make sure that it continues

because I know it's a labor of love,

but I'm wondering because I'm not hearing it.

I'm watching all over the place.

I'm trying to stay on top, but I'm not seeing,

is there an actual national network

or is it just by state or by division?

If you know, please share, thank you.

Well, yeah, I mean, the National Lawyers Guild

is a national organization that has chapters

in all the cities.

But I think you're right though.

I don't think there's a coordinated effort

other than what we are seeing at a very high level

with the ACLU and other organizations that have brought

what I'll call the high level lawsuits.

But those are basically scattershot, right?

You've got Portland, the Portland lawsuit.

We've got something like five

lawsuits going on in Illinois,

but there should be some more coordination perhaps.

National Lawyers Guild, ACLU, et cetera,

should probably be talking to one another.

Denise.

Hello, my name's Denise Clark

and I live in San Diego County.

So I'm on one of those border states

where immigration has always been a mix back.

But one of my questions I had,

I wanna go back to how these people

are entering a private business

and not identifying themselves

to the respective owner

and saying who they have a warrant for

because that's obviously illegal.

Well, well, Wes.

They do whatever they want.

They do whatever they want. That's just absurd.

I mean, I own my own business.

I own my own business.

And I know that I can,

if ICE came to my gate without a warrant,

I don't have to let them in.

Correct. So this is one

of the things too.

I mean, they just walked into,

and I agree with the other young lady

who was talking about when you have children,

you have to go through all these friend processes

in order to even be around children.

So how on earth they don't,

the establishment didn't know who these people were.

They could have been, they looked like the boogeyman,

but they just walked in there

without proper identification,

without saying they had a warrant.

For a specific person,

and without the permission of whoever's in charge

or the owner of that business,

something's seriously wrong with that.

There's something seriously wrong with that, I agree.

And there are some small businesses

that are literally keeping their doors locked

and they'll let customers in,

but they won't let ICE in if they try to get in.

But you're right about what's going on

because these, in many cases,

their tactics are like bullies

or people have used much worse words

and they're accurate to describe their conduct,

which is lawless.

Yeah, go ahead, Phil.

Well, I'm on, oh, I'm sorry.

No, go ahead, Sandra, if you need to,

I was just gonna say, I'm also a farmer.

So we have migrant workers that's been in our area.

I've owned my farm almost 30 years.

People are keeping their gates closed.

I've seen ICE up and down.

I've seen every type of law enforcement vehicle

in my neighborhood, and I've never seen that ever.

I mean, we live in a rural area

right above the Wild Animal Park.

And you just didn't see that,

but we've seen the ICE, we've seen border patrol,

we have seen fish and game.

I'm like, why is fish and game out here?

The cougars aren't out here, you know what I mean?

You feel safer?

I keep my gate closed.

I keep my gate closed.

Well, you heard the kids that he was scared

and a lot of folks are not going to work.

A lot of businesses are saying

they can't get their workers to come

because they're afraid ICE is gonna show up.

I think the turnout probably among Latinos,

Latino people, the turnout was probably low

because they were afraid to go to the polls.

911 calls are down 21%.

911 calls in Little Village are down 21%.

So there are people who are having crimes

committed against them and they are too afraid

to call the police.

That's cool.

Yeah.

Go ahead, Phil.

That goes to somewhat of my...

Not everybody is, not everyone is as level-headed

and the sober-minded people

this particular broadcast here.

My question to you is,

is there any concern that you may feel

that people may feel like they need to take the risk

and retaliate against ICE

because of what they're seeing,

because of what they're feeling?

Is there any concern that there is that possibility?

People, some people, resorting to physicality

that they may see.

Risking it all, if you will.

Let it, yeah, let it be.

And physically attacking ICE

because they feel like nobody is taking the proper action

or the immediate action that they feel is necessary.

Well, that's already happened in Texas.

There was a shooting at one of the federal facilities,

two different incidents, in fact,

but there's two different kinds of resistance, so to speak.

The kind where you physically block a vehicle,

and we had six people indicted last week in Chicago,

one of whom is a congressional candidate,

they were impeding a vehicle.

So one form of violence is to,

I'll call passively resist,

where you stand in front of a vehicle

or put your vehicle in.

I don't recommend any of that,

and what you've talked about is a little bit more,

and I haven't personally witnessed that.

I wouldn't recommend it.

These, look, I'm five, four, and 120 pounds,

but a lot of these federal agents, and not all of them,

because Don Lemon saw a video,

and ICE agents were chasing me

and literally started to report to themselves.

Some of you may have seen that video.

But there are agents who are big and strong and young

and ill-trained and not well-led,

and some of you talked about the past

of some of the people they've been hiring.

It's not a good bet to actively resist

against a federal officer.

I myself, when I was detained,

once I had no chance of getting away,

I gave myself up and I personally was not mistreated,

but they're rough, and you can see it in the videos.

I think there are some people that are so frustrated

they might do that.

I don't recommend it.

Yeah, Laurie.

Yeah, I mean, because people's emotions

are really starting to run real high.

It's bait.

He wants us to do that.

Yeah, and like I said,

everybody is not as sober-minded as we are,

but I really feel like there's this tension

in the air that's growing,

and people are going to really like the people in Texas.

They may not resort to shooting at them,

but they may resort to taking the Louisville slugger

and start swinging and kind of go for whatever they feel.

And we gotta make,

we're not condoning violence on this program,

just so you know.

No, we're not.

We're not, but I just feel like there's that chance

in the air.

People are frustrated and the temperature is hot

and we're at a boiling point in the country right now.

I wanna get everyone in though,

people who haven't spoken.

Laurie, what do you have to say?

Oh, Bob, did you wanna say something?

I just wanted to say real quick

that it's counterproductive for any form of violence

is counterproductive for our goals,

which is to get ICE out.

And the reason is,

is because the Department of Justice

uses every single incident.

And somebody said,

"When they don't have an incident,

they'll just make one up."

But the point is,

whenever there's violence, they call us rioters.

The language that they use is designed

to create this dehumanization,

I think as somebody put it here.

They're trying to create the animosity and the hostility

toward our immigrant community.

And by using this inappropriate language,

calling us rioters, violent, criminal, alien,

these words, it's a civil wrong to be in this country

without your papers.

It's a civil wrong, it's not a crime.

Yeah, go ahead, Laurie.

I wanted to go back to the decision

when you were in court.

One, is there gonna be any perjury charges

filed against the border agent

that's been representing the government of ICE

and everything in the court?

I don't know.

I don't know.

There's something Bob, that's a very good question.

There's something like filing a false police report,

that kind of thing.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But I think what's more likely to happen

is that somebody like Gregory Bovino

will be found in contempt.

And contempt means that you have violated a court order

and you did it voluntarily and knowingly

disregarded what a judge has ordered.

And that's what's happening in Chicago

because she had ordered the federal agents

to give warnings, to use a prominent display

of their identification,

to only use the force that's necessary

after two warnings have been given.

And that hasn't happened.

And Gregory Bovino himself has violated this judge's order.

And she pointed that out,

Judge Ellis pointed it out this morning,

that Gregory Bovino was lobbing tear gas

against peaceful protestors without a warning

in violation of the judge's

order from a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, Janice.

That was a very good question, Laurie.

Very good, Janice.

Hi Don and hi Rob.

I, and elimination, I just,

I was really moved by the young man,

just basically crying and saying that, you know,

he doesn't know if he's gonna see his family again.

And it just, it just takes me back

to like, we went and fought through all of this.

And here we are as a nation being treated

like black people used to be treated.

And it's just insane that it doesn't matter

if you're an American citizen, what color you are,

where you're from, we're all being treated cruelly.

And I understand it's bringing us together,

but it's just mind boggling that this is America today.

This is the history that we have to share

with generations to come, you know,

that we have to come together

and get rid of this sociopath.

He's a sociopath.

Janice, I think-

And we are being traumatized.

I think you've nailed it.

You know, judges and lawyers like myself,

we use words like unconstitutional

or it's in violation of the law or word like contempt.

But what you just said captures it,

that it's not just those things, but it's cruel.

It's cruel.

And somebody said, we shouldn't have to live like this.

And that simple statement, I think just captures

what's going on in Chicago and probably across the country.

Felicia.

Hey everyone, good evening.

Yes, thanks for chatting.

Good evening.

Yes, my question, a few of my questions were answered.

So I'm gonna go back to the identification piece

that's always being mentioned.

And I found a Facebook post today, I posted from 2016.

And so Trump's always had this plan.

So he has had nine years to get people riled up

and spew cruelty and get hate going.

So my question is, as far as identity, do you,

and your suggestion, I have my own assumptions

and I know there's organizations that believe

what Trump stands for and things of that nature,

like the Proud Boys and other

organizations I won't mention,

who is behind the mask in your opinion?

Do you actually think they're actual federal agents?

Do you think that it could be bounty hunters

or they're part of organizations that agree with him?

What is your thoughts as who's behind these masks

as far as identity?

Well, the truth is that we don't know,

but from my experience,

you have a conglomeration of federal agents.

I mean, I have seen air marshals diverted from airplanes,

literally that they're air marshals,

out on the streets of Chicago.

I know that the FBI is being used,

alcohol, tobacco and firearms, border patrol,

immigration and customs.

Somebody told me that the Bureau of Prisons,

Federal Bureau of Prisons officers were out.

So we've got literally a slew of federal agencies.

So my guess is, is they're federal agents

and they're from some agency

like the ones that I mentioned.

That's my theory.

Let's see who else has their hand up.

Andrea, did you have your hand up?

Yes, I have my hand up, Don.

How are you? I'm Don elimination.

I'm good, how are you?

I'm doing very well.

Well, what I was thinking, good.

I was thinking, you know, cause I live in Texas

and we have not been having the same instances

as everyone else in Democratic led states or cities.

And I'm wondering, is there something you can do

for just discrimination that he is just picking

California or DC or Virginia, you know,

where he's picking this, this primarily a black

or a minority mayor or a governor?

Well, we know that's happening.

You just have to listen to the words.

I mean, Tom Homan and Gregory Bovino,

the spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security,

Tricia McLaughlin, or Kristi Noem,

you listen to their words and they have said,

we're going after brown people.

That's what we're doing.

It's no secret.

I mean, you can't go to the Supreme Court

with that same information, that same energy

and say this is discrimination at its highest level.

He said it was okay.

There's a Supreme Court decision that said

they can do this based on skin color.

You?

Yes, yes.

It's the Supreme Court is not a good place

for anybody to be right now.

Democracy Jesus.

Anything, any question or comment?

Hopefully your audio works this week, sir.

All right, so sorry.

Yes, thank you.

And I think that just what you said about this

as a Supreme Court, I mean, tomorrow,

there is a special conference to pick up

whether the Kim Davis, the old Kim Davis case,

picking that up to decide whether or not

people like myself and Don and other folks in here

that love and have gay people in their life,

whether they can remain married.

So that's tomorrow.

And just from what I've been hearing from scholars,

from people that are in the game all the way down

from Hillary Clinton, folks were saying,

this is going to happen.

They're going to take this up and hear it again.

It only takes four, right?

What do you think about what's going to happen tomorrow?

I don't know what or when they'll actually tell us

that they're going to decide to hear it.

But a lot of us gay folks out here are getting ready.

It's very similar to the rumblings before Roe.

Just getting ready.

And if they decide to do this, right,

we've got to live through the better part

of eight or nine months waiting to see about that fate.

They want to send it back to the States

as they did with Roe.

Yeah, I mean, whether you're a scholar,

or somebody who practices before the Supreme Court,

or whether you're just reading about what's happening,

there is no good news coming out of the Supreme Court.

Nobody expects anything coming out of the Supreme Court

to be positive in any sense of the word.

And the remedy, it's going to take a long time,

is we need to change out the presidency.

We need to get a new Congress.

We need to change.

Maybe someday we'll, I hate to say it,

because it's not a great thing,

but expand the Supreme Court to dilute the Trump appointees

because we can't live with it.

We can't live with it.

Yeah.

Nicole, thank you for that democracy.

Nicole, you have anything?

Yeah.

I love your background, by the way.

It's really good.

I've been meaning to tell you that, but go on.

You don't have.

I'm a hairstylist.

All right.

We never would have known.

Yeah.

How would you know that?

No, I've been thinking of listening to what everybody said,

and I have a few thoughts.

So the first one is, I don't know why anybody

would be really surprised.

I feel like black people have been dealing with this issue

since we were brought here on end chains

in the bowels of a boat, of a ship,

and been treated poorly throughout this nation's history,

being strung up from trees and whatnot and whatever.

And it feels like a lot of times that when we bring that up

or different things happen to us,

there's not as much outrage.

It's not the same.

It's not the same outrage.

And that doesn't mean that I don't feel bad for,

or feel horrible,

because what's happening is disgusting and despicable

on all of that.

But you don't see strange fruit.

Okay, so we really need to think about the fact

that it didn't get real until

it was somebody other than us.

And I think that that is sad.

I think it's despicable and disgusting

what this administration is doing.

But I also, and I believe that we need to help

our Brown brothers.

I really, really do believe that brothers and sisters,

because it's horrible what's happening to them.

But I do wanna keep things in,

I do wanna make sure that we all understand

that everything is always a precursor

or like a pallet tester for what they ultimately want to do

for people who look like me.

And then the final thing that I wanna say is

I've always said this,

I've said this a million times in the chat

and I'm gonna keep on saying it

when I'm on any chat or in any form.

I think, especially with this administration,

everything, the way you make a difference

is always financial.

And so they didn't hear anything until we took away,

until we took our dollars out of target

and just took our dollars just in general.

And so I am of the mindset,

I'm like, why do we keep funding this?

Why are we funding this?

If we don't believe in it,

they can't do it without our money.

And we keep saying on your taxpayer dollar,

on your taxpayer dollar,

well then you know what?

Maybe the federal government shouldn't get our taxes,

maybe the state should,

but maybe the federal government shouldn't

because it's kind of like Mondani said the other day,

you know, in order to get to any of us,

you gotta get through all of us.

So if we are all of the same mindset and we say,

you know, hey, you are not getting any more

of our federal dollars, then guess what?

What you gonna fund it with?

With your thoughts and your dreams

and your prayers and everything else?

Because we all know that he has fake money

floating around his head trillions of dollars

or whatever else supposedly,

but doesn't have money to pay for SNAP.

So that's just my soapbox and sorry,

I took so much time, I just need to get that out.

I think you need to get it all worked.

Two quick responses.

One is that, you know, Congress should do its job

and they can reduce the funding for ICE

and they should do it because it's in the bad, bad bill,

you know, has gone up, you know, by a factor.

So that's one thing that Congress can do is that,

you know, just literally reduce the funding for ICE.

But the other, your earlier point is so well taken

and you know, I can't quote Martin Luther King,

but I think he said it, you know, exactly right,

which is that, you know, people should be judged

by the content of their character

not the color of their skin.

And I think everybody believes that

and we should, you know, embrace that thought

because it's so powerful.

May money.

Hey, excuse my voice, I've been sick all week,

but I'll try to protect as much as I can.

Yeah, I wanna just start with what Nicole said.

I really do highly agree with the taking the money

like keeping our federal taxes,

especially California, I'm in the Bay Area.

I don't think that we should be playing in funding

any of this until they get their shit together.

So I highly agree that financially is,

run these pockets is the way to go

until, you know, make it temporary.

We don't got to secede from the nation,

but especially if SNAP benefits and things like that

are being taken away, we can just keep our money

and make sure that Californians are okay, you know?

But back to kind of what we were talking about,

I noticed how, excuse me, how quickly the mood changed

from what, you know, we were talking about on Tuesday

and everything that happened on Tuesday to, you know,

two days later, maybe, to where the mood's at again.

And so that's why I wasn't very like up in arms

and like, yay about, you know, what happened on Tuesday,

even though it's good and yes, it's a little bit like

moving the needle, maybe a centimeter or two.

But we, first of all, we have to keep the momentum on,

but again, I'm not gonna give no cookies for,

in a flowers for people, for us just doing our basic

bare minimum like things to have a functioning society.

Okay, like, yeah, people went out to go vote.

That's what you're supposed to do.

You're supposed to vote like with an educational kind of

mind when you go into the voting booth,

you're not supposed to accidentally vote

for a fucking fascist.

Like you're supposed to not be a fascist and vote for one

and not vote in your own self interest.

So I'm not gonna give cookies and clap and flowers

for people that just pass the tutorial.

Like that's like us being like, yay,

you did such a great job, you know,

at not failing the test, but you got a D.

Like that doesn't work that way, you guys.

And so we, we got to keep the foot on the gas.

And I don't think we're doing near enough

because it's only been two days and look at the horrific

shit that we've just seen.

It's like nothing happened.

I agree, I agree, my mom.

Is a doctor in the house?

Send them over.

I'm just saying, no, Dr. Melissa, Dr. Collins.

Hello, how are you?

Hello, hello, hello.

Hi, everybody.

I think for me, I really have taken a lot in.

You know, I'm always gonna, you know,

practice the fact that I'm an immigrant myself.

I come from a big family of immigrants.

So, you know, again, I second the emotion

of other people who have said that they, you know,

the young man who was speaking, I mean,

I was driving and I was trying not to pull over

because my heart just skipped so many beats.

You know, I always tell people,

because I own several businesses,

and actually I work with the Department of Labor.

And, you know, some of the things that I feel like

I have encountered, seen, heard, it's just,

I never in my wildest dreams thought

that I would, you know, experience this right

in this country, at least, you know.

It's hurtful, disappointing.

I'm just gonna, I gotta keep it all the way real.

I'm angry.

I'm pissed off.

I'm pissed.

I'm pissed.

And of course, you know, I never condone violence,

like you were saying, Dawn, never, ever, ever, right?

But I'm just saying that I go into places.

So I live in Louisville, Kentucky.

I was telling everybody where the plane crashed yesterday.

And, you know, I go into places in what's called

like the Eastern Kentucky area, you know,

as a mixed woman or whatever you wanna call me,

I'm black, but, you know.

And I carry a gun.

I have everything with me.

I've got a gun, I've got a bat, I've got mace,

I've got everything.

Cause I'm going into towns that voted for this man,

that voted for this foolishness, by the way.

You know, I see you shaking your head, Dr. Jen, Jennifer.

You know, I, you know, and honestly, I literally,

you know, I'm always that person that's in the room

that's different from everyone else when I get there,

you know, but I feel like I have to arm myself.

I have to protect myself.

I don't know what might happen to me

if I'm just getting gas.

Surprisingly, I go into sundown towns, you guys, you know,

and I gotta watch myself.

So, you know, they think I'm something else half the time,

but, you know, but regardless,

and even that makes me more angry,

but I'm just angry right now.

And listening to what everybody has had to say has,

you know, I want to do so much.

I want to do anything that I can.

Right now I'm feeding people.

I'm going to the military base out here on Fort Knox

and we're feeding people.

We're doing the, you know, we're doing things that we can

because of the SNAP benefit situation.

But I have to say, you know, that FAFL,

all of those people that voted for this nonsense,

especially that Eastern Kentucky area,

they are hurting like crazy

because every last one of the schools out there,

they all get SNAP benefits, they get Medicaid,

they get everything under the sun.

And now they're crying.

Now they're losing their minds.

Now they're asking me, how can you help us?

What can you do, you know, with your businesses

and companies to help us?

You know, and I'm thinking, well, I tried it.

You know, I'm doing what I can, but I have to say

it's 99.9% Caucasian.

And I just write Jennifer

and I just have to keep it real that, you know,

it's just, it's hard.

It's just, that's all I'm going to say.

I'm pissed.

I'm angry and it's kind of hard, you know?

And that's all I've got today.

Thank you for what you're doing.

Yeah, thank you.

You're looking stunning like you're doing it.

Thank you for that.

And then Maureen, how are you?

You're muted.

We can't hear you Ms. Maureen.

Hi, hi John.

Nice.

Hi, how are you?

Wow, listening to all of this.

I mean, I was feeling this way when we got started.

It's outrageous.

Sometimes I don't even know what to say.

I'm listening to all of you who've been so defiant

and angry and hurt and seeing that preschool

really affected me, those children.

I would like to know what happened to that woman

who was abducted.

I hope she's okay.

I don't understand it.

What was the reasoning behind it?

And why were those families put through that?

This has to end.

That's all I can say.

And it will, it will.

I have hope.

And it's not gonna happen overnight, but I do have hope.

And I liked seeing what happened on Tuesday.

And I'm just expressing my feelings right now.

I'm glad that all of you, go ahead Bob.

I don't have the details on that,

but I was in a different courtroom, not Judge Ellis,

because we had so much going on

in the Northern District of Illinois,

but I was in Judge Gettleman's courtroom

on the other lawsuit,

which is the inhumane treatment of detainees.

And yesterday he issued an order that's requiring ICE

to keep better track of who they have

and to make that information available

so that family members can know,

are there loved ones in custody?

And if so, where are they being detained?

Because at the Broadview Illinois facility,

you get detained and then some people are in there

for five days with no shower and no,

horrible sanitary conditions,

but other people shipped out for different places.

Well, listen, everyone, I appreciate it.

I have to, I was supposed to be somewhere 45 minutes ago,

or 30 minutes ago.

And Rob, we were supposed to

have Rob for just a few minutes

and he spent over an hour with us,

but Rob, we really appreciate it.

And I just wanna say, I want you,

I want you to feel better. Thank you.

I want the TOYCHA to, you're an empath.

And I just appreciate all of

you sharing your feelings so much.

This is like group therapy.

And this is more than just a show.

Yeah, it's such a great show.

Group therapy, of course it has.

The community, so much strange, but--

Rob, this is why you blew up on social

because we've created the elimination out here.

But did you join Instagram after or before?

I wasn't on social media.

I might've once created an account, but never used it.

Didn't know how to use it.

So yeah, no, it's all new to me.

And so now since you, my social media Chris,

who said, he said earlier, "Ah, we made Bob a star."

Like, okay.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

I don't think that's about more than 12 million views

on social media or more.

Thank you, Bob.

Thank you, Bob.

You got 12 million.

The thing you did with me got 12 million.

Yeah, it's your video.

It got across social media, I

think more than 12 million views.

Yeah, that's the power of independent media

and independent journalists.

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