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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,349 --> 00:00:03,393 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:03,394 --> 00:00:06,702 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups. 3 00:00:06,963 --> 00:00:08,921 The police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:12,185 and the Crown Prosecutors, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:12,186 --> 00:00:13,361 These are their stories. 6 00:00:16,842 --> 00:00:18,321 Look just ten minutes. 7 00:00:18,322 --> 00:00:20,672 Babes I need to see you, I'm going out of my mind here. 8 00:00:21,108 --> 00:00:23,370 Yeah, I know and I'm gonna tell her, I swear. 9 00:00:23,371 --> 00:00:24,545 - Please! - It's not easy for me. 10 00:00:24,546 --> 00:00:25,981 - Your phone! - What you doing? 11 00:00:25,982 --> 00:00:28,245 - I need your phone! My son... - Get off! 12 00:00:34,991 --> 00:00:37,906 Emergency! Yeah, fire. 13 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:39,561 There's a bloody building burning down. 14 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:43,565 - Is there anyone else? - My son-- my son's inside. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,175 Yeah, her boy. 16 00:00:45,697 --> 00:00:47,047 It's above the newsagents. 17 00:00:48,918 --> 00:00:50,572 I don't know how long it's been going on. 18 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:54,271 Yeah, okay. It's alright, they're on their way. 19 00:00:56,491 --> 00:00:57,882 I hesitate to use the word lucky, 20 00:00:57,883 --> 00:00:59,668 but it could've been a hell of a lot worse. 21 00:01:00,016 --> 00:01:02,887 Right, well I tell you what Mike, it looks bad enough to me. 22 00:01:02,888 --> 00:01:05,368 Yeah. The lad from the flat didn't make it. 23 00:01:05,369 --> 00:01:07,414 - Right. - CO asphyxiation. 24 00:01:07,415 --> 00:01:10,112 - That's the lad there. - Looks like he never woke up. 25 00:01:10,113 --> 00:01:11,810 And we're talking suspicious origins, are we? 26 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:14,725 Yeah, the guys reckon some sort of accelerant was used. 27 00:01:14,726 --> 00:01:16,685 But I can't tell you anymore until we get in there. 28 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:20,166 - So, anyone else in the flat Mike? - Just the mother. 29 00:01:20,167 --> 00:01:22,081 There's a daughter but she was at a sleepover. 30 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:23,908 And what about the Mum? How's she doing? 31 00:01:23,909 --> 00:01:25,911 About how you'd expect. 32 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:30,045 - Let me through. - I'm sorry Sir, 33 00:01:30,046 --> 00:01:31,264 you won't be able to park there. 34 00:01:31,265 --> 00:01:32,743 - I'm not moving my car. - What's going on? 35 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:34,441 - I am not gonna wait. - It's a crime scene. 36 00:01:34,442 --> 00:01:35,703 - Let me through. - You can't park there. 37 00:01:35,704 --> 00:01:37,357 Seriously, I got a right to see my property. 38 00:01:37,358 --> 00:01:39,185 - What's the problem? - That's my shop. 39 00:01:39,186 --> 00:01:41,056 Okay, just move your car. 40 00:01:41,057 --> 00:01:43,189 But don't go anywhere, we need to talk to you as well. 41 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:45,104 - Aw! Man, I don't believe this. - Sir. 42 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:48,019 - Your car is obstructing the ambulance. - I bet I've lost everything. 43 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:49,325 Well, there's a woman behind you 44 00:01:49,326 --> 00:01:51,197 in that ambulance who has just lost her son. 45 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:53,243 So, how about you shut up and move your car? 46 00:01:54,201 --> 00:01:55,898 - Seriously? - Seriously. 47 00:02:00,337 --> 00:02:01,338 Paint thinner. 48 00:02:03,253 --> 00:02:05,733 They found the remains of the container just in the entrance 49 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:06,822 to the flats there. 50 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:08,693 Looks like that's your point of origin. 51 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:10,999 We'll run tests to confirm 52 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,045 but if it quacks like a duck... 53 00:02:13,742 --> 00:02:16,788 Well, whoever did it wasn't worried about covering their tracks, were they? 54 00:02:17,049 --> 00:02:19,226 Nah, that's the great thing about arson. 55 00:02:19,748 --> 00:02:23,316 Equal opportunity crime. Any moron can light a fire. 56 00:03:11,278 --> 00:03:12,409 Poor Ian, 57 00:03:12,888 --> 00:03:14,890 terrible what happened in that fire. 58 00:03:15,586 --> 00:03:18,459 I'm afraid I can't offer you any tea. 59 00:03:19,024 --> 00:03:21,201 I'm having one of my bad days. 60 00:03:21,592 --> 00:03:23,725 - We're fine, really. - You sure? 61 00:03:25,596 --> 00:03:27,250 That's beautiful, sweetheart. 62 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:31,340 You and your Mum can stay here as long as you need to. 63 00:03:31,341 --> 00:03:32,908 She's pretty isn't she, Katie? 64 00:03:39,175 --> 00:03:40,481 Um, Megan. 65 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:43,788 I understand Ian had learning difficulties. 66 00:03:45,877 --> 00:03:46,878 Right. 67 00:03:48,445 --> 00:03:50,665 And do you mind telling us what was the matter with him? 68 00:03:56,323 --> 00:03:58,412 He had developmental problems. 69 00:04:01,589 --> 00:04:03,460 He had trouble with his breathing, 70 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:05,375 and... 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,550 and he was... 72 00:04:08,204 --> 00:04:10,772 he was slow with stuff. 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,123 He didn't like noise. 74 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:17,474 I tried to get him out of there, I did, I tried. 75 00:04:18,649 --> 00:04:20,347 The handle was too hot. 76 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:25,569 I shouldn't have left him in there. 77 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,358 How old was the boy that died? 78 00:04:32,359 --> 00:04:33,447 Just turned thirteen. 79 00:04:34,883 --> 00:04:36,405 No chance of prints off the bottle of paint thinner? 80 00:04:36,406 --> 00:04:39,016 No, it was too badly burnt. The DNA's a no-go as well. 81 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:41,758 And I'm guessing it's available at all good retailers? 82 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,631 Well, you wouldn't want to make it too easy. 83 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:46,546 - Any sign of forced entry? - Doesn't look like it. 84 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:49,113 The mum made her escape from a fire exit on the first floor, 85 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:52,161 but according to her statement it was still locked when she got there. 86 00:04:52,466 --> 00:04:55,816 - So, she wakes up, she smells smoke she-- - Tries to save her son, 87 00:04:55,817 --> 00:04:57,079 then she goes for help. 88 00:04:57,514 --> 00:04:59,210 Do we know who owns the building? 89 00:04:59,211 --> 00:05:03,040 Well, the flats are owned by a management company, 90 00:05:03,041 --> 00:05:04,825 if it's an insurance scam it's a pretty bad one. 91 00:05:04,826 --> 00:05:07,218 They should've at least tried to fake some sort of forced entry 92 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:09,612 and as far as I can see, they've got nothing to gain by it. 93 00:05:09,613 --> 00:05:11,702 Yeah, and the shop downstairs is another story, though. 94 00:05:11,963 --> 00:05:13,964 Owned by one Sanjit Chatterjee, 95 00:05:13,965 --> 00:05:16,445 currently under investigation for unpaid VAT, 96 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:18,621 and selling alcohol without a license. 97 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:20,797 He's already got one failed business, under his belt. 98 00:05:20,798 --> 00:05:24,149 Declared bankrupt in 2006 at the tender age of 25. 99 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:26,761 So, not exactly young entrepreneur of the year. 100 00:05:27,501 --> 00:05:30,634 - And he's got a stupid beard. - That's enough for me. 101 00:05:34,072 --> 00:05:36,640 I see here, you had a flood six months ago. 102 00:05:36,945 --> 00:05:38,250 Yeah, burst pipe. 103 00:05:38,903 --> 00:05:40,122 Careful, man, huh! 104 00:05:40,557 --> 00:05:41,428 Sorry boss. 105 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:44,386 You claimed ten grand's worth of damages? 106 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:46,433 Yeah, a lot of stock got damaged. 107 00:05:47,999 --> 00:05:50,697 And then the year before that there's an electrical fire. 108 00:05:50,698 --> 00:05:53,743 Another five-grand claim on the insurance. 109 00:05:53,744 --> 00:05:57,052 So, fire, flood, all you need now is an act of God. 110 00:05:57,705 --> 00:06:01,621 - So, what? You think I did this? - We know you've got cash flow problems. 111 00:06:01,622 --> 00:06:03,449 Especially as far as the VAT man's concerned. 112 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,538 Then, it wouldn't be the first time you cut your losses. 113 00:06:05,539 --> 00:06:06,670 Oh, here we go. 114 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:09,325 Look, I was young... 115 00:06:09,847 --> 00:06:12,850 decided to try my hand at the music business. It didn't work out. 116 00:06:13,547 --> 00:06:16,854 As for the VAT, my accountant stuffed up, that was all. 117 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:18,639 I'm getting it sorted. 118 00:06:19,988 --> 00:06:21,337 But nice big insurance claim should help a lot. 119 00:06:21,555 --> 00:06:22,599 Yeah, it would. 120 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:24,906 Trouble is I couldn't afford the premiums. 121 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:27,082 You claim once and it's bad enough. 122 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,519 But claim twice, forget about it. 123 00:06:30,041 --> 00:06:31,391 You're saying you're not insured? 124 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,958 I had to take a payment break. 125 00:06:34,829 --> 00:06:36,178 Talk about timing. 126 00:06:37,571 --> 00:06:40,181 Devlin. Hey, Ange, what you got? 127 00:06:40,182 --> 00:06:41,270 Seriously, man. 128 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:44,054 My grandparents put their savings into this place. 129 00:06:44,055 --> 00:06:45,753 My-- my whole family help out. 130 00:06:46,144 --> 00:06:47,972 There is no way I'd torch it. 131 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:51,236 Really? Okay. 132 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,282 Yeah sure, we'll head over now. 133 00:06:58,069 --> 00:06:59,766 Megan Parnell, the woman from the flat. Apparently, she made several complaints 134 00:06:59,767 --> 00:07:02,246 to her Safer Neighborhood Team. Some of the local lads 135 00:07:02,247 --> 00:07:05,250 were giving her a hard time on account of her son and his special needs. 136 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:07,731 Right, and how bad did it get? 137 00:07:08,123 --> 00:07:09,776 Bad enough to get one of them an ASBO. 138 00:07:09,777 --> 00:07:10,865 We're closed, yeah! 139 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:20,527 Yeah, what? 140 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:24,660 Simone Lewis? DS Brooks, DS Devlin. 141 00:07:24,661 --> 00:07:27,228 We need to talk to you about your sons, please. 142 00:07:27,229 --> 00:07:29,666 - Which ones? - Aaron and Lee. 143 00:07:30,014 --> 00:07:31,320 Oh, not this again. 144 00:07:31,755 --> 00:07:33,975 Leave them alone, can't you? They're just kids. 145 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:37,892 We're investigating a fire at the home of Megan Parnell. 146 00:07:42,592 --> 00:07:44,071 - Oh, yeah? - Yeah. 147 00:07:44,072 --> 00:07:46,377 And we understand that your boys have been giving Megan 148 00:07:46,378 --> 00:07:48,119 and her kids a bit of a hard time. 149 00:07:49,251 --> 00:07:50,121 Yeah. 150 00:07:50,818 --> 00:07:52,993 So, what? 151 00:07:52,994 --> 00:07:55,344 So, perhaps you wouldn't mind telling us where they're at one o'clock this morning. 152 00:08:00,958 --> 00:08:03,352 Just answer the question please, Aaron. 153 00:08:04,527 --> 00:08:07,094 - Sorry, did you say something? - You know what I reckon, Lee? 154 00:08:07,095 --> 00:08:09,706 I just think you're playing with us here, I really do. 155 00:08:10,402 --> 00:08:12,535 I mean how old are ya? Nine? Ten? 156 00:08:13,231 --> 00:08:14,189 Eleven. 157 00:08:14,537 --> 00:08:15,495 Wanker. 158 00:08:16,191 --> 00:08:18,498 Wanker? That's a bit harsh. 159 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:21,457 Where were you at one o'clock this morning? 160 00:08:23,546 --> 00:08:25,982 Nah, sorry. I don't speak gay. 161 00:08:25,983 --> 00:08:28,376 Actually, I'm quite a nice bloke when you get to know me. 162 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,204 Or so I'm told. 163 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:32,642 It's not just your hair that looks gay. You've even got a gay face. 164 00:08:34,426 --> 00:08:35,862 I mean, how old's Aaron? 165 00:08:35,863 --> 00:08:37,038 He's thirteen. 166 00:08:37,647 --> 00:08:39,561 I think he reckons he's too cool 167 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:41,608 to be hanging around with his little brother any more. 168 00:08:41,999 --> 00:08:43,000 No, you don't. 169 00:08:44,611 --> 00:08:46,003 Did you always know you was a bender? 170 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:49,180 Is that why you became a copper? 171 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:51,399 Doesn't he think that you're cramping his style? 172 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,444 Especially as he's acting the big 'I am' out and about 173 00:08:53,445 --> 00:08:55,534 with all his mates trying to impress them. 174 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:56,971 Meanwhile you're stuck at home 175 00:08:57,232 --> 00:08:59,190 because he wants to be out with kids his own age. 176 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:01,584 He thinks you're a baby. 177 00:09:02,063 --> 00:09:03,846 He couldn't even get in there without me. 178 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,414 The window's too small. 179 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,982 Right, I see it now. 180 00:09:08,983 --> 00:09:10,288 So he's the brains 181 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:11,855 and you're the brawn. 182 00:09:12,726 --> 00:09:14,292 So, how small is this window then? 183 00:09:14,815 --> 00:09:16,816 They were at school? In the middle of the night? 184 00:09:16,817 --> 00:09:19,819 Won't set foot in the place in daylight but apparently spend their nights 185 00:09:19,820 --> 00:09:22,125 - trashing school property. - We believe them? 186 00:09:22,126 --> 00:09:24,824 Well, camera footage has them near the school gates at 12:10 187 00:09:24,825 --> 00:09:27,044 and then again at 3:30 this morning. 188 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:29,611 What were they doing in there for three hours? 189 00:09:29,612 --> 00:09:31,091 According to the head teacher, 190 00:09:31,092 --> 00:09:34,181 defecating in the Home Ec. Lab. Amongst other things. 191 00:09:34,182 --> 00:09:35,183 For three hours? 192 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:37,663 I suppose we can charge them with criminal damage 193 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:39,142 and then we've gotta let them go. 194 00:09:39,143 --> 00:09:41,275 Why bother? They'll only be back again next week. 195 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:43,930 I dunno. Might be a little bit longer. I think we put the frighteners 196 00:09:43,931 --> 00:09:47,021 - on the little one. - Impart some fatherly wisdom, did you Ron? 197 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:50,589 Well, it wouldn't be the first young tear away I've had to sort out, would it? 198 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:51,591 Ay, Mattie? 199 00:09:52,026 --> 00:09:54,462 OK, so one of the neighbors thinks 200 00:09:54,463 --> 00:09:57,683 she saw a white, middle-aged man, medium height, medium build. 201 00:09:57,684 --> 00:10:00,164 Knock on the door late afternoon and then walk away. 202 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:01,905 Other than that, we've got nothing. 203 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,125 According to social services, CSA have been after Megan's ex 204 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:07,606 for the past year for non-payment of maintenance. 205 00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:10,391 And well, apparently Parnell's got a bit of a temper. 206 00:10:10,392 --> 00:10:12,001 There's a note on here and it says, 207 00:10:12,002 --> 00:10:15,526 "He is extremely abusive and uncooperative." 208 00:10:15,527 --> 00:10:17,833 - Hardly a first. - Yeah, but what are the odds? 209 00:10:17,834 --> 00:10:20,707 He's white, middle-aged, medium height and medium build? 210 00:10:22,447 --> 00:10:24,624 - Ian's what, thirteen? - Yeah. 211 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:28,671 So, that gives Craig another five years of payments. 212 00:10:28,932 --> 00:10:31,805 For a son, he wanted nothing to do with. Or so we're told. 213 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,198 So, he kills his son to save money? 214 00:10:36,461 --> 00:10:37,985 I've known people kill for less. 215 00:10:43,207 --> 00:10:45,427 - When did you last see your son? - Ah! 216 00:10:46,341 --> 00:10:48,604 I don't know. A month ago. Maybe two. 217 00:10:49,561 --> 00:10:50,432 Really? 218 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:54,654 Yeah. Me and his mum... 219 00:10:55,132 --> 00:10:56,133 we don't get on. 220 00:10:58,092 --> 00:10:59,833 I understand there's been a few problems regarding maintenance payments. 221 00:11:01,051 --> 00:11:03,052 Megan been bending your ear, has she? 222 00:11:03,053 --> 00:11:05,446 It must be an expensive business, supporting a family 223 00:11:05,447 --> 00:11:07,318 and trying to start a new life for yourself? 224 00:11:09,277 --> 00:11:10,844 Look, Ian belonged in a home. 225 00:11:11,627 --> 00:11:13,759 Megan wouldn't have it. Wanted to keep him with her. 226 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,848 He was her son. 227 00:11:15,196 --> 00:11:16,763 And I was the one forking out. 228 00:11:18,808 --> 00:11:20,288 He'd have been better off somewhere where they could look after him properly. 229 00:11:20,723 --> 00:11:22,246 Seems a bit extreme, doesn't it? 230 00:11:22,551 --> 00:11:25,161 Residential care for a kid with learning difficulties. 231 00:11:25,162 --> 00:11:26,337 Learning difficulties? 232 00:11:27,425 --> 00:11:28,731 He was full on retarded. 233 00:11:29,471 --> 00:11:31,952 He's thirteen years old and still wearing nappies. 234 00:11:32,866 --> 00:11:34,606 So, is that why you and Megan split up? 235 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:37,827 I guess I wasn't cut out to be a dad. 236 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:40,221 Not for a kid like that. 237 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:43,266 So, sue me. 238 00:11:43,267 --> 00:11:45,138 So, you weren't outside Megan's flat Monday afternoon? 239 00:11:45,139 --> 00:11:46,053 No. 240 00:11:47,532 --> 00:11:49,143 Why has someone said I was like? 241 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,188 Would it change your story if they had? 242 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,978 Okay. Fine. Yeah. I went round there. 243 00:11:58,456 --> 00:12:01,808 I'm just fed up with the hassle I'm getting from the CSA. 244 00:12:02,156 --> 00:12:03,809 I wanted to talk to Megan face to face. 245 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,767 - So, what happened? - Nothing. She wasn't there. 246 00:12:05,768 --> 00:12:08,989 - Why lie about it? - I don't need more hassle. 247 00:12:09,337 --> 00:12:12,601 Or maybe you went round there later? Say 1 am? 248 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:14,908 Just forget it. 249 00:12:16,213 --> 00:12:17,344 I was with my girlfriend we went out for dinner. 250 00:12:17,345 --> 00:12:18,781 Afterwards we went back to her place. 251 00:12:19,913 --> 00:12:22,654 Parnell's girlfriend has confirmed his alibi. 252 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:24,961 She also said that his son... 253 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:28,050 Ian had a thing about playing with matches. 254 00:12:28,051 --> 00:12:31,794 And if anyone was gonna be starting a fire it would have probably been him. 255 00:12:32,099 --> 00:12:34,796 But neither Mum nor Dad mentioned this obsession with fire? 256 00:12:34,797 --> 00:12:35,842 Nah, funny that. 257 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,408 So, what? 258 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:40,280 This girlfriend's going the extra mile to stand by her man? 259 00:12:40,281 --> 00:12:43,500 I reckon, which probably makes her man even more of a likely suspect. 260 00:12:43,501 --> 00:12:45,765 Still, it wouldn't hurt to rule the boy out altogether. 261 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:48,506 Is there any way he could've got hold of paint thinner? 262 00:12:48,898 --> 00:12:52,293 Well, we can check, but whether he knew what it was is another matter. 263 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:59,126 Nah, not possible. I keep everything locked up in a cupboard. 264 00:12:59,866 --> 00:13:01,780 Well, where do you keep the keys? 265 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:03,347 On the ledge, above the door. 266 00:13:05,132 --> 00:13:07,961 Well, that's not the most original place to hide it, is it? 267 00:13:08,352 --> 00:13:09,614 Who's gonna be looking? 268 00:13:13,401 --> 00:13:15,142 Did Ian know you kept it up there? 269 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:17,797 Maybe. 270 00:13:19,102 --> 00:13:21,713 I come here what, two, three times a month? 271 00:13:22,671 --> 00:13:24,716 I do all the maintenance for the building. 272 00:13:25,065 --> 00:13:26,022 Ian... 273 00:13:26,762 --> 00:13:27,850 he didn't like noise, 274 00:13:29,896 --> 00:13:32,072 but if it was a quiet job, you know, like changing light bulbs or something, 275 00:13:32,463 --> 00:13:34,074 sometimes he'd sit and watch. 276 00:13:34,465 --> 00:13:36,728 - Gave his mum a break, you know? - Mmhm! 277 00:13:37,642 --> 00:13:39,601 And where do you normally keep the paint thinner? 278 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:41,081 In there with the paint. 279 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,607 Well, I can't see any. 280 00:13:50,873 --> 00:13:52,005 Well, it was there. 281 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:00,055 Ian had a rare condition known as 282 00:14:00,056 --> 00:14:02,058 childhood disintegrative disorder. 283 00:14:02,450 --> 00:14:04,582 It's sometimes known as Heller's syndrome. 284 00:14:05,496 --> 00:14:07,585 Sometimes the condition plateaus, 285 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:10,850 but, sadly with Ian, he continued to deteriorate. 286 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:12,502 And when you say deteriorate, 287 00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:14,374 I mean to what extent are we talking about? 288 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:16,332 He required constant monitoring 289 00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:19,206 for his respiratory and digestive functions. 290 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:24,211 He also became increasingly aggressive and violent, 291 00:14:24,646 --> 00:14:27,605 and there was a marked deterioration in his motor skills. 292 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:31,174 Would he have been able to unlock a door? 293 00:14:32,523 --> 00:14:35,744 What about climbing up on to something, getting a key off a ledge? 294 00:14:36,179 --> 00:14:37,789 No. Not Ian. 295 00:14:38,965 --> 00:14:40,705 By the time he left here... 296 00:14:41,315 --> 00:14:43,230 he couldn't get a spoon to his mouth. 297 00:14:46,146 --> 00:14:47,843 Right, well thanks very much for your time. 298 00:14:48,626 --> 00:14:52,674 You know, Ian used to be a sweet, happy boy. 299 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:55,938 His mother wanted so badly to believe he would get better. 300 00:14:56,765 --> 00:14:59,507 When she finally understood he was only going to get worse. 301 00:15:00,421 --> 00:15:03,511 I watched it sink in, to be honest... 302 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:07,036 I thought it would kill her. 303 00:15:09,212 --> 00:15:11,388 - She wouldn't be the first. - I know. 304 00:15:13,303 --> 00:15:15,783 I mean she was at the scene, she had access to the accelerant. 305 00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:16,741 I know. 306 00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:22,225 Why do people ever decide to have kids... 307 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:25,272 when you've got no idea what you're letting yourself in for? 308 00:15:26,882 --> 00:15:29,580 Well, you've just gotta love 'em and hope for the best. 309 00:15:31,191 --> 00:15:32,540 What if there is no hope? 310 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:35,717 Okay, this is Megan's bedroom. 311 00:15:37,849 --> 00:15:39,633 Yeah, what am I looking at? 312 00:15:39,634 --> 00:15:41,940 According to her statement, Megan said she woke up, smelt smoke 313 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:43,506 and then ran out of the room. 314 00:15:43,507 --> 00:15:45,378 Does that bed look slept in to you? 315 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:49,338 Plus, the bedroom door was shut, 316 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:51,601 that's why there's so little fire damage in there. 317 00:15:51,602 --> 00:15:52,690 And then there's this. 318 00:15:54,518 --> 00:15:56,519 She told us she tried to get Ian out 319 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,306 but she couldn't because the door handle was too hot to touch. 320 00:16:00,002 --> 00:16:02,221 Hello Brooks. 321 00:16:02,222 --> 00:16:04,310 Except that Ian's door was already open. She wouldn't have had to touch the handle. 322 00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:08,141 Look, it was dark, she was surrounded by flames and smoke. 323 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,359 - She was disorientated. - Guv, it's not-- 324 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,839 Matt, I'm serious. 325 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,667 Before I start accusing a mother of killing her child-- 326 00:16:13,668 --> 00:16:15,017 Guv, I'm sorry. 327 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,150 That's the lab. 328 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:20,195 They've finished testing items from the scene. 329 00:16:21,937 --> 00:16:23,373 Megan Parnell's sweatshirt... 330 00:16:24,244 --> 00:16:25,854 Has got paint thinner on it. 331 00:16:29,292 --> 00:16:30,206 Bring her in. 332 00:16:31,338 --> 00:16:32,426 I don't understand. 333 00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,908 Well, Megan you told us that you woke up, 334 00:16:37,953 --> 00:16:39,607 and then you went to save Ian. 335 00:16:40,173 --> 00:16:41,043 That's right. 336 00:16:41,957 --> 00:16:43,350 I tried to get him out. 337 00:16:45,091 --> 00:16:47,092 Well, we think that you never went to bed in the first place. 338 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:48,007 What? 339 00:16:49,182 --> 00:16:50,618 Your bed was still made. 340 00:16:53,534 --> 00:16:55,710 And the door to your bedroom was shut tight. 341 00:16:58,278 --> 00:16:59,975 That's what slowed the fire down. 342 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:04,632 I don't know what you're talking about. 343 00:17:06,242 --> 00:17:07,548 Well, you see Megan... 344 00:17:10,681 --> 00:17:12,944 we think you waited... 345 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:15,164 till Ian fell asleep. 346 00:17:16,992 --> 00:17:19,038 Then you went down and got the paint thinner. 347 00:17:20,735 --> 00:17:22,302 You poured it on the stairs, 348 00:17:22,606 --> 00:17:23,651 you lit it, 349 00:17:25,131 --> 00:17:26,784 and then you made your escape through the fire exit. 350 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,526 No, that's not what happened. 351 00:17:30,832 --> 00:17:33,616 Well, you see Megan we know 352 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:36,229 that things got really desperate for you. 353 00:17:37,056 --> 00:17:37,926 Maybe... 354 00:17:39,275 --> 00:17:41,885 Maybe you didn't mean for Ian to die. 355 00:17:41,886 --> 00:17:44,018 Maybe you were just trying to let someone know 356 00:17:44,019 --> 00:17:46,021 that you really needed help. 357 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:49,633 No, it wasn't like that. I swear. 358 00:17:53,159 --> 00:17:54,899 You see, all-- all this evidence. 359 00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:58,120 It leads to one conclusion Megan. 360 00:18:00,166 --> 00:18:01,732 that you started that fire, 361 00:18:03,125 --> 00:18:04,866 and you left your son to die. 362 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:14,267 My lady, 363 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:18,967 my client has already had to endure the untimely death of one child. 364 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,448 I would ask that she not be separated from her remaining child 365 00:18:22,449 --> 00:18:24,407 pending the resolution of this matter. 366 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:26,148 Miss Phillips? 367 00:18:28,281 --> 00:18:30,370 We believe the defendant to be responsible for the "untimely death" of her child. 368 00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:33,676 Given the nature of the crime, we maintain that bail should be refused. 369 00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:34,678 My Lady, 370 00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:38,378 this will only compound a grieving mother's suffering, 371 00:18:38,856 --> 00:18:40,030 and based on what? 372 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:41,903 The defendant is charged with murder. 373 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,209 The Crown would not have undertaken this prosecution 374 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:45,775 without sufficient evidence. 375 00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:47,865 I believe that has yet to be demonstrated. 376 00:18:48,214 --> 00:18:50,390 That is why we have trials, Mr. Peck. 377 00:18:55,395 --> 00:18:58,485 Hey. Hope you didn't take that personally. 378 00:18:58,746 --> 00:18:59,616 Sorry? 379 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:01,662 Thought I should bring out the big guns. 380 00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:03,576 Seeing as the poor woman's innocent. 381 00:19:03,577 --> 00:19:05,143 You sure about that? 382 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,668 Absolutely, so long as she doesn't tell me any different. 383 00:19:08,234 --> 00:19:10,366 It's Alesha, right? Dominic. 384 00:19:10,801 --> 00:19:13,108 I'm glad to have an excuse to get to know you at last. 385 00:19:13,717 --> 00:19:17,067 Your average female barrister looks like a pig in a wig. 386 00:19:17,068 --> 00:19:19,680 - Excuse me? - Come on, you know it's true. 387 00:19:20,637 --> 00:19:22,900 I think we're going to have a lot of fun, you and I. 388 00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:25,338 I mean, I'm not saying it won't be a challenge 389 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:28,906 selling the lovely Mrs. Parnell to a jury. 390 00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:31,299 But, hey it's all in the presentation. 391 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,824 And as far as I can remember being fat and stupid isn't a crime. 392 00:19:34,825 --> 00:19:36,000 More's the pity. 393 00:19:37,741 --> 00:19:39,742 Now, Mrs. Parnell, where were we? 394 00:19:39,743 --> 00:19:41,615 I thought the evidence was conclusive. 395 00:19:42,137 --> 00:19:43,182 Yeah, it is. 396 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,226 So, why plead not guilty? 397 00:19:45,227 --> 00:19:47,142 Does her lawyer know something that we don't? 398 00:19:48,012 --> 00:19:49,797 I doubt it. The guy's an idiot. 399 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:54,367 He's just hoping that the jury will find her too sympathetic to convict. 400 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:56,499 - And is she? - Hardly. 401 00:19:57,108 --> 00:19:59,763 This wasn't some kind of compassionate mercy killing. 402 00:20:00,242 --> 00:20:03,244 She set fire to a building with her disabled son trapped inside 403 00:20:03,245 --> 00:20:05,855 and she didn't care how many other lives she put in danger. 404 00:20:05,856 --> 00:20:07,727 Still, it's a highly emotive situation. 405 00:20:07,728 --> 00:20:10,120 She'd been caring for a severely disabled child 406 00:20:10,121 --> 00:20:12,123 for years with little or no support. 407 00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:14,429 They're bound to try and use the boy's condition 408 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:16,563 to cultivate sympathy for the defendant. 409 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:18,303 Yeah, which is fair enough. 410 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:19,913 We're not saying she wasn't struggling, 411 00:20:19,914 --> 00:20:21,784 but that's hardly justification for murder. 412 00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:25,048 They could go down the route of diminished responsibility. 413 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:28,139 You said that she was on antidepressants for the last couple of years? 414 00:20:28,357 --> 00:20:30,968 No, they don't have grounds for diminished responsibility. 415 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:32,882 She had a full psych assessment 416 00:20:32,883 --> 00:20:35,234 when she was in custody and nothing was flagged up. 417 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:39,412 But it would be good to establish state of mind before the event. 418 00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:43,153 You said that Megan visited the emergency department 419 00:20:43,154 --> 00:20:45,026 - with Ian two days prior to the fire? - Mmhm. 420 00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:47,855 Okay so, 421 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,813 we talk to the doctor who saw them. 422 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:52,860 - Get a professional opinion. - Very good. Good. 423 00:20:53,774 --> 00:20:55,123 Go forth and prosecute. 424 00:20:57,517 --> 00:20:59,344 No, there was no abuse involved. 425 00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:03,218 The skull fracture came from autistic-type head banging. 426 00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,742 The broken wrist was sustained during an epileptic seizure 427 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:08,571 and the broken ribs came from a fall. 428 00:21:09,093 --> 00:21:11,357 We also treated his mother on several occasions. 429 00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,662 What for? 430 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:16,404 The last time was when she tried to hold him down to protect him during a seizure. 431 00:21:16,405 --> 00:21:19,059 He threw her off and she chipped a bone in her elbow. 432 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:20,496 - Was it deliberate? - No. 433 00:21:21,018 --> 00:21:22,845 No, he wouldn't have known what he was doing. 434 00:21:22,846 --> 00:21:25,936 But the situation was obviously becoming impossible. 435 00:21:27,198 --> 00:21:28,808 The last time we spoke, 436 00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:33,292 I suggested she rethink the idea of residential care. 437 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,858 And what did she say? 438 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:38,297 She said if it came to that, he'd be better off dead. 439 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:48,175 It is also the contention of the defense that the evidence given by Dr Schreiber 440 00:21:48,176 --> 00:21:50,961 should be excluded under section seventy-eight of PACE. 441 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:52,614 Eleven. 442 00:21:52,615 --> 00:21:54,529 Not to mention the fact that it falls squarely 443 00:21:54,530 --> 00:21:56,880 under the heading of patient doctor privilege. 444 00:21:57,272 --> 00:21:58,490 Ah. 445 00:21:58,491 --> 00:22:01,668 My Lady, it was in fact Mrs. Parnell's son 446 00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:04,626 who was the patient at the time she made the statement. 447 00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:06,499 Then privilege is irrelevant, 448 00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:09,196 as are your other objections, Mr. Peck. 449 00:22:09,197 --> 00:22:11,198 In that case, I also wish to apply 450 00:22:11,199 --> 00:22:13,592 to exclude the sweatshirt worn by Mrs. Parnell 451 00:22:13,593 --> 00:22:16,334 on the night of the fire under section seventy-eight of PACE. 452 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:19,293 - Twelve. - How can the prosecution claim that 453 00:22:19,294 --> 00:22:21,904 it is the exact same paint thinner 454 00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:23,342 that was used to start the fire? 455 00:22:24,952 --> 00:22:28,258 I believe that's a question for our expert witness, My Lady. 456 00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:31,087 But there's also the manner in which the sweatshirt was obtained-- 457 00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:33,482 Mr. Peck, please stop. 458 00:22:34,222 --> 00:22:36,529 The sweatshirt stays in. 459 00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:39,358 I suggest you quit while you're-- 460 00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:42,361 Well, I suggest you quit anyway. 461 00:22:43,013 --> 00:22:45,188 Trial is listed for 10 am tomorrow. 462 00:22:45,189 --> 00:22:47,974 I see no reason to delay any further. 463 00:22:50,804 --> 00:22:54,415 Do you think he's read anything other than section seventy-eight of PACE? 464 00:22:54,416 --> 00:22:55,939 I doubt he's even read that. 465 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:01,510 Dominic Peck, okay. 466 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,254 No, I won't be able to do it within the hour. But I'll try. 467 00:23:07,342 --> 00:23:08,951 - We can have it done quick... - Excuse me. 468 00:23:08,952 --> 00:23:10,344 ...or we can have it done right 469 00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,434 Do you know what time we're meant to go back in? 470 00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:15,219 We'll be starting again at two. 471 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:21,008 It's just they said I could see my little girl today. 472 00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:24,403 - Really? Who told you that? - Now, now, Mrs. Parnell. 473 00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:28,232 No fraternizing with the enemy. Come on. 474 00:23:35,501 --> 00:23:39,025 And have you ever come across someone waking up with their home on fire, 475 00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:41,942 taking the time to make the bed before leaving the building? 476 00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:44,074 Not in my experience. 477 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:46,512 Thank you. No further questions. 478 00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:52,342 Mr. Harris, 479 00:23:52,343 --> 00:23:55,259 in warm weather, I'm sure most of us tend to sleep on top of the covers. 480 00:23:55,912 --> 00:23:58,132 The night of the fire it was below freezing. 481 00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:02,570 But still, if someone were reading a book or a magazine 482 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:04,616 they might still fall asleep on top of the covers 483 00:24:04,617 --> 00:24:06,749 regardless of the temperature, mightn't they? 484 00:24:07,663 --> 00:24:08,664 They might. 485 00:24:09,926 --> 00:24:11,623 Thank you. 486 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:14,931 But no books or magazines were found by the defendant's bed. 487 00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:23,505 I told her she should consider placing him in residential care. 488 00:24:24,375 --> 00:24:25,638 And what was her response? 489 00:24:27,509 --> 00:24:30,685 She was worried that other people wouldn't look after him properly. 490 00:24:30,686 --> 00:24:34,255 I know there had been some difficulties when they tried respite care, 491 00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:36,299 but I told her it would be different 492 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,215 if he was found a permanent place in a suitable institution. 493 00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:41,349 But she was still unconvinced? 494 00:24:42,524 --> 00:24:44,091 She became very upset. 495 00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:48,443 She said if it came to putting him in a home... 496 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:50,489 he'd be better off dead. 497 00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:55,058 Thank you, doctor. 498 00:24:58,105 --> 00:24:59,193 Dr Schreiber, 499 00:25:01,064 --> 00:25:04,284 I'm sure you're aware that people exaggerate sometimes for effect? 500 00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:05,286 Of course. 501 00:25:06,679 --> 00:25:07,983 - Did you think she wanted him dead? - My lady-- 502 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:11,553 - Let's avoid speculation, Mr. Peck. - My Lady. 503 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:14,990 - Did she say she wanted him dead? - No. 504 00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:18,429 In fact, did she not ask you about alternative treatments for her son? 505 00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:19,779 Yes, she did. 506 00:25:21,258 --> 00:25:22,999 She told you that she'd try anything, anything at all, 507 00:25:23,391 --> 00:25:25,305 if it meant getting her little boy back. 508 00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:27,568 Yes, she did. She desperately wanted 509 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,179 to improve his quality of life. 510 00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:32,705 Which is quite the opposite to wanting to end his life, wouldn't you say? 511 00:25:35,229 --> 00:25:37,536 Thank you, Doctor. I have nothing further. 512 00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:42,410 Did you see the looks on the jury's faces? 513 00:25:43,063 --> 00:25:45,630 He has them seeing it as an act of mercy. 514 00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:47,806 It's a risk of a not guilty here 515 00:25:47,807 --> 00:25:49,765 even with an idiot like Peck. 516 00:25:50,331 --> 00:25:53,813 Simply because they're feeling that poor woman's pain. 517 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,686 I think George could be right. 518 00:25:58,469 --> 00:26:00,079 I know that given the facts, 519 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,430 the charge had to be murder. But it just doesn't feel right. 520 00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:06,476 I just don't understand why Peck didn't go for manslaughter from the start, 521 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:10,089 using the doctor's statement as evidence of severe emotional distress. 522 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:12,657 It's what any other defense lawyer would've done. 523 00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:16,009 Yeah, well sadly, we can't guarantee the quality of opposing counsel. 524 00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:18,315 Maybe... 525 00:26:19,926 --> 00:26:23,364 we can force this particular counsel to do the right thing. 526 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,018 What do you have in mind? 527 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:26,715 I'll talk to him, 528 00:26:28,021 --> 00:26:29,936 tell him we'll accept a plea to manslaughter. 529 00:26:31,328 --> 00:26:33,417 And hope he's got sense enough to agree. 530 00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:36,638 Interesting. 531 00:26:38,422 --> 00:26:40,337 I think you'll agree. It's in the best interests of your client. 532 00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:45,473 - Well, I think that's for me to decide. - No, it's for Megan to decide. 533 00:26:45,865 --> 00:26:47,431 You know, the woman you're representing. 534 00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:48,868 Manslaughter... 535 00:26:50,783 --> 00:26:53,176 That'd mean a definite prison sentence though, wouldn't it? 536 00:26:54,134 --> 00:26:56,049 Yep. Usually does. 537 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:59,573 Thing is, all Megan wants to do is to stay with little Kayleigh. 538 00:26:59,574 --> 00:27:01,141 - It's Katie. - Exactly. 539 00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:04,709 And I promised her I'd do my damnedest to make it happen. 540 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,581 You shouldn't have promised her anything. 541 00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:09,540 Hey, it's always good to give the ladies hope. 542 00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:18,724 As predicted, my client wishes to proceed with the not guilty plea. 543 00:27:19,289 --> 00:27:23,816 You have explained that a murder conviction carries a mandatory life sentence? 544 00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,601 That's not really the issue here. 545 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:30,431 I disagree. 546 00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:33,694 Mrs. Parnell, I must stress that if you are found guilty, 547 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,565 you could be sentenced to twenty-five years in prison-- 548 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:39,222 - Yes, thank you, Mr. Steel. - And given the evidence against you... 549 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:43,183 you should know that that is a very real possibility. 550 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,751 But I thought you said if I pleaded not guilty-- 551 00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:49,450 That's enough. Okay, I think we're done here. 552 00:27:50,756 --> 00:27:52,452 Megan is there anything you want to say? 553 00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:54,890 I don't appreciate the scare tactics, Mr. Steel. 554 00:27:55,456 --> 00:27:57,676 It's okay. He's just trying to confuse you. 555 00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:00,679 Your client has a right to know what she's risking. 556 00:28:00,983 --> 00:28:03,507 I assure you, my client is fully informed. 557 00:28:08,382 --> 00:28:09,948 Well, at least she is now. 558 00:28:09,949 --> 00:28:12,037 Makes you wonder what he's gonna do next. 559 00:28:12,038 --> 00:28:15,215 I know but I bet Megan Parnell is as in the dark as we are. 560 00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:20,132 ...why wouldn't you? Well he's-- 561 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,701 James! Peck's entered a new plea. 562 00:28:23,092 --> 00:28:26,226 - Diminished responsibility? - Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity. 563 00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,662 - Based on what? - He's found an expert 564 00:28:28,663 --> 00:28:31,970 who'll say Megan Parnell was legally insane, when she set the fire. 565 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,276 So, first she didn't do it. 566 00:28:34,887 --> 00:28:36,496 Now she did it, but she didn't know what she was doing. 567 00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:37,802 He's lost the plot. 568 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:39,804 I mean he must realize what this could mean? 569 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:43,416 If it works, Megan could end up institutionalized for the rest of her life 570 00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:45,724 She wouldn't just lose her daughter, she'd lose everything. 571 00:28:51,381 --> 00:28:53,774 You know the jury will see this for the cynical ploy 572 00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:56,560 that it is and all you'll have done is discredit your client. 573 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:57,953 Perhaps. 574 00:28:59,128 --> 00:29:00,738 Or perhaps, they'll be too busy crying 575 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,567 into their hankies over poor misunderstood Megan. 576 00:29:04,699 --> 00:29:07,571 You shouldn't overestimate your average parole, James. 577 00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:12,272 It's all about emotion. Not the truth. 578 00:29:17,451 --> 00:29:20,889 They told us about 'win-at-any cost' barristers at law school. 579 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:23,717 First time I've seen one in action though. 580 00:29:23,718 --> 00:29:27,766 Yeah, Peck's a prime example, raging ego, limited ability and absolutely no ethics. 581 00:29:27,983 --> 00:29:30,116 He really doesn't care what happens to Megan. 582 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:32,292 It's like she's just a pawn in his game. 583 00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:34,511 Maybe. Maybe not. 584 00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:36,991 She's still the one who chose to plead not guilty. 585 00:29:36,992 --> 00:29:39,516 If Peck's playing a game, she's going along with it. 586 00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:42,041 Don't think of her as the innocent victim here. 587 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:47,873 Megan... 588 00:29:49,396 --> 00:29:50,919 by pleading insanity... 589 00:29:52,703 --> 00:29:54,793 you understand that you're saying that when you started the fire 590 00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:56,838 you didn't know it was wrong. 591 00:29:58,884 --> 00:29:59,754 Yeah, 592 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,757 I didn't know what I was doing. 593 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:04,977 You were upset about Ian? 594 00:30:05,673 --> 00:30:08,981 Yeah but I wasn't thinking properly. 595 00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:11,679 I-- I was upset and confused. 596 00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:15,117 Can you tell me what it was like... 597 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:17,423 when your son first got ill? 598 00:30:17,424 --> 00:30:19,513 I mean it-- it must have been very difficult. 599 00:30:23,734 --> 00:30:24,953 Yeah, it was really hard. 600 00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:28,914 I understand Ian changed quite quickly. 601 00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:37,574 It was around the time of his fourth birthday. 602 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:42,101 His favorite song was Old MacDonald, 603 00:30:42,579 --> 00:30:44,059 he was always singing it. 604 00:30:47,019 --> 00:30:48,411 Then, he forgot that pigs go oink. 605 00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:56,855 He started saying there was a-- a bad mouse in his head. 606 00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:04,297 A few months later he-- he stopped talking... 607 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:06,516 and using the toilet. 608 00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:14,785 He wouldn't even let me hold him. 609 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:18,702 He--he-- he couldn't bear to be touched. 610 00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:24,883 Short version. She's not insane. 611 00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:27,711 Not now and not the night she started the fire. 612 00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:29,799 But there's a long version? 613 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,977 She certainly has significant mental health problems. Depression. 614 00:31:32,978 --> 00:31:35,632 Acute anxiety. Chronic sleep deprivation. 615 00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:39,245 Her son rarely let her sleep more than two hours at a time. 616 00:31:39,506 --> 00:31:42,247 And that's every night for thirteen years. 617 00:31:42,248 --> 00:31:44,250 You could argue that was her choice. 618 00:31:44,641 --> 00:31:47,209 She repeatedly refused to have him placed in a home. 619 00:31:47,688 --> 00:31:49,777 Has anyone bothered to ask her why? 620 00:31:50,386 --> 00:31:51,996 Probably not the defense. 621 00:31:51,997 --> 00:31:54,346 Megan's mother had recurring health problems, 622 00:31:54,347 --> 00:31:55,826 her father was an alcoholic. 623 00:31:56,044 --> 00:31:58,829 Her only other relative was an aunt in a wheelchair. 624 00:32:00,135 --> 00:32:03,443 So, Megan spent several long periods in children's homes. 625 00:32:03,965 --> 00:32:05,097 Not happy times? 626 00:32:07,012 --> 00:32:08,969 The standard of care in the early 80s were "variable" to say the least. 627 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:12,669 Megan was an awkward, unattractive child, with zero confidence. 628 00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:15,934 We all know how cruel children can be. 629 00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:18,588 But she wasn't insane? 630 00:32:19,546 --> 00:32:21,765 No. She wasn't. 631 00:32:22,201 --> 00:32:24,203 So, who's he found to say that she was? 632 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:29,163 In your opinion Doctor, 633 00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:32,515 was the defendant severely stressed at the time of the fire? 634 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:35,474 Based on my interviews with Megan, 635 00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:39,958 I believe that her stress level had risen to the clinical designation ACSS. 636 00:32:40,393 --> 00:32:41,611 And what is that? 637 00:32:42,134 --> 00:32:44,266 Acute Caretaker Stress Syndrome. 638 00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:48,009 ACSS is characterized by irrational behavior, 639 00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:51,360 radical emotional dissonance and cognitive malfunction. 640 00:32:51,752 --> 00:32:54,928 Would she have been able to tell the difference between right and wrong? 641 00:32:54,929 --> 00:32:56,365 In my opinion, no. 642 00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:58,585 Thank you, Doctor. 643 00:33:03,329 --> 00:33:06,375 Which medical school did you attend, Dr Arlberg? 644 00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:10,727 My doctorate is in psychoanalytic studies. I didn't go to medical school. 645 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:14,557 - So you're not a qualified psychiatrist? - No, I'm not. 646 00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:18,605 Then, are you affiliated with any particular hospital or clinic? 647 00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:20,519 Not currently. 648 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,912 For the past few years, I have been lecturing extensively. 649 00:33:22,913 --> 00:33:26,482 Mainly in the States, where I also have a syndicated radio program. 650 00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:31,356 In other words, you're not a psychologist but you play one on the radio. 651 00:33:31,357 --> 00:33:33,619 My lady, he's mocking the witness. 652 00:33:34,664 --> 00:33:35,665 My Lady. 653 00:33:37,363 --> 00:33:39,843 This disorder, 654 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,236 you've been talking about Doctor Arlberg. 655 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:43,498 Um... 656 00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:46,328 Ah yes, "ACSS." 657 00:33:46,981 --> 00:33:49,156 I am, uh, really confused. 658 00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:52,159 I have been looking through a large number of reference books 659 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,075 and I can't find a single mention of it. 660 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:56,599 It's a relatively new diagnosis. 661 00:33:57,557 --> 00:33:59,994 That explains it. Invented by whom? 662 00:34:00,386 --> 00:34:03,606 - It was first identified by myself. - Oh, I see. 663 00:34:03,911 --> 00:34:07,480 And has it been recognized by the Royal College of Psychiatrists? 664 00:34:07,828 --> 00:34:09,481 Not yet. 665 00:34:09,482 --> 00:34:12,136 My, my we really are out there on the cutting edge, aren't we? 666 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,442 - My lady-- - My Lady, the evidence of this witness 667 00:34:14,443 --> 00:34:17,576 could be instrumental in placing the defendant in a mental institution, 668 00:34:17,577 --> 00:34:19,405 possibly for the rest of her life. 669 00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:25,411 I think the jury need to understand the extent of her expertise. 670 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:27,761 Or the lack of it. 671 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:31,199 No further questions. 672 00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:37,031 Okay, here's the thing. 673 00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:39,555 My client has dropped a bit of a bombshell. 674 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,255 And well, to be honest. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed. 675 00:34:44,299 --> 00:34:48,128 Well, discussing defense strategy with the prosecution 676 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:50,610 - probably isn't the best way to go. - Fair point. 677 00:34:50,871 --> 00:34:52,611 Well, we're not really talking defense anymore 678 00:34:52,612 --> 00:34:54,614 because Mrs. Parnell has confessed. 679 00:34:56,746 --> 00:34:59,401 She admits to starting the fire that killed her son? 680 00:34:59,706 --> 00:35:01,142 Yes and no. 681 00:35:01,882 --> 00:35:03,535 She admits to starting the fire, 682 00:35:03,536 --> 00:35:06,234 and she certainly feels responsibility for her son's death. 683 00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:10,108 But he didn't actually die in the fire. 684 00:35:12,501 --> 00:35:13,502 He didn't? 685 00:35:13,981 --> 00:35:15,113 Apparently not. 686 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:18,159 - Um, as I understand it, my client-- - I'm sorry. 687 00:35:19,682 --> 00:35:23,643 Megan, perhaps if you just tell us what happened? 688 00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:28,038 Ian was having a seizure... 689 00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:31,085 and he started having convulsions. 690 00:35:33,522 --> 00:35:36,395 I had the syringe for his injection in my hand. 691 00:35:40,747 --> 00:35:41,835 But I couldn't do it. 692 00:35:45,273 --> 00:35:50,060 I was watching him and his face was all twisted up in pain. 693 00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:54,413 I just wanted it to stop. 694 00:35:57,111 --> 00:36:00,506 So, I held him and I waited. 695 00:36:03,422 --> 00:36:05,163 When the convulsions ended... 696 00:36:06,468 --> 00:36:07,730 I knew he'd gone. 697 00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:17,652 As you can imagine, she was distraught, racked with guilt, 698 00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:21,744 and in the emotion of the moment decided to end it all. Hence, the fire. 699 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,400 And your client didn't think to mention this before? 700 00:36:26,401 --> 00:36:27,576 Unfortunately, not. 701 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:31,232 It would have made life a lot easier all round, if she had. 702 00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:35,105 But, well, as you can see, this changes everything. 703 00:36:35,802 --> 00:36:36,672 Right. 704 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:39,936 So, you're thinking, what? 705 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:42,721 We abandon the charges, 706 00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:46,204 the judge discharges the jury and we start again? 707 00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:47,944 Well, ideally yes. 708 00:36:49,946 --> 00:36:53,167 I mean, you could charge her with arson, but failing to give an injection? 709 00:36:54,473 --> 00:36:55,952 I wouldn't fancy your chances. 710 00:36:57,606 --> 00:36:59,695 - I've heard enough. - Now look, I didn't have to come here. 711 00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:04,482 I could've just blindsided you in court. But I felt in the interests of justice-- 712 00:37:04,483 --> 00:37:05,832 You can see yourselves out. 713 00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:08,269 Fine. 714 00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:09,792 We'll leave it to the jury. 715 00:37:10,184 --> 00:37:11,577 Just don't say I didn't warn you. 716 00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:18,845 - You didn't believe that, did you? - I don't know. 717 00:37:19,976 --> 00:37:22,240 Sounds like she's finally telling the truth. 718 00:37:22,501 --> 00:37:25,111 The post-mortem report categorically states 719 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:26,983 smoke inhalation as cause of death. 720 00:37:27,723 --> 00:37:30,422 The medical evidence means that she's lying, 721 00:37:31,336 --> 00:37:33,555 or more likely, he's told her what to say. 722 00:37:34,469 --> 00:37:38,081 But why would Peck even try this? He must have seen the post-mortem. 723 00:37:38,821 --> 00:37:41,476 "Why bother about truth when you can go with emotion?" 724 00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:53,706 It was CO asphyxiation. Absolutely, no doubt about it. 725 00:37:54,663 --> 00:37:55,969 Why the renewed interest? 726 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,103 Well, his mother's claiming that he died from an epileptic seizure. 727 00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:02,323 That he was already dead when the fire started. 728 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:04,846 You've got to be breathing to get smoke in your lungs. 729 00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:06,501 There's no two ways about it. 730 00:38:07,807 --> 00:38:08,808 Thanks Heather. 731 00:38:09,548 --> 00:38:10,549 Of course. 732 00:38:12,551 --> 00:38:15,379 It is possible that a particularly violent seizure could result in a coma. 733 00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:19,034 In which case the victim would be breathing 734 00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:20,950 just enough to get smoke in his lungs. 735 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,431 But to a lay person, he might appear dead. 736 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:27,565 She said it was a possibility, that's all. 737 00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:31,525 James, it means Megan must have believed Ian was dead when she started the fire. 738 00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:33,746 Then, why didn't she plead guilty from the start? 739 00:38:34,094 --> 00:38:36,225 All Megan cares about is staying with her daughter. 740 00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:38,228 Peck's promised he can make that happen. 741 00:38:38,664 --> 00:38:41,840 This is a woman who's been at the mercy of the system her whole life. 742 00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:44,669 Her barrister tells her what to say, she's not gonna argue with him. 743 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:46,845 Chances are he wouldn't have listened to her anyway. 744 00:38:46,846 --> 00:38:49,282 Yeah, exactly. For all we know, she tried to tell him, 745 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:51,329 he panicked and changed her plea to insanity. 746 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:56,377 If she really did think Ian was dead, then there's no intention to kill. 747 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,293 She should never have been charged with murder. 748 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,909 So, just to clarify for the jury... 749 00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:09,433 you didn't put Ian in a residential home, 750 00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:12,611 did you, because you're his mother and you cared for him? 751 00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:14,482 I couldn't. 752 00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:19,269 He was my baby. I loved him so much. 753 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:23,186 No further questions, My Lady. 754 00:39:29,845 --> 00:39:31,064 Mrs. Parnell, 755 00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:36,155 you described to the court how after Ian died you took his pills 756 00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:39,507 and you started the fire so, that you could go together. 757 00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:41,379 Yeah, that's right. 758 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:43,511 The trouble is... 759 00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:46,949 It's very difficult for us to believe you when you've lied... 760 00:39:47,341 --> 00:39:49,908 over and over again about the events of that night. 761 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:52,694 - Well, I didn't mean to lie. - But the fact is you did. 762 00:39:53,521 --> 00:39:56,480 Uh, the only thing that we know for certain is that you went down the stairs, 763 00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:59,352 you unlocked the maintenance cupboard, you poured paint thinner 764 00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:01,398 over the stairs and you set it alight. 765 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:04,096 Leaving your young son to die in that fire. 766 00:40:04,097 --> 00:40:07,274 - No, I wouldn't do that. - But that's exactly what you did. 767 00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:09,624 No, I didn't. 768 00:40:11,147 --> 00:40:13,149 Because he was already dead. I told you. 769 00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:15,369 I know you'd like us to believe that... 770 00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:18,851 but I'm afraid it's simply not true. 771 00:40:23,072 --> 00:40:25,858 I refer the court to post-mortem report 772 00:40:26,162 --> 00:40:28,991 on Ian Parnell, dated March nineteenth. 773 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,692 It clearly states... 774 00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:35,650 the cause of death... 775 00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:38,261 was smoke inhalation. 776 00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:40,742 Well, that's not right. 777 00:40:41,351 --> 00:40:44,311 Megan the pathologist found smoke in Ian's lungs. 778 00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:48,096 It could only have got there if he was still breathing 779 00:40:48,097 --> 00:40:50,448 - when you started the fire. - They've-- they've got it wrong. 780 00:40:50,796 --> 00:40:52,753 I was there, he'd stopped breathing. 781 00:40:52,754 --> 00:40:55,540 Megan, it is simply physically impossible. 782 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:57,455 It can't be. 783 00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:01,459 It can't be. 784 00:41:03,156 --> 00:41:04,940 I thought it was a mistake. 785 00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:09,031 Megan, I'm so sorry, but it wasn't a mistake. 786 00:41:11,294 --> 00:41:12,470 Ian didn't die... 787 00:41:12,992 --> 00:41:14,646 - as a result of the seizure. - No. 788 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:17,474 It may have looked like he'd stopped breathing. 789 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:20,433 In fact, he could have slipped into a coma, 790 00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:22,435 - and you couldn't tell the difference. - No. 791 00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:26,440 But I'm afraid the fact is Ian was still alive when you started the fire. 792 00:41:29,617 --> 00:41:30,575 No. 793 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:32,446 No. 794 00:41:34,143 --> 00:41:37,320 I-- I-- I would-- I would never have done that. 795 00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:40,846 I would never have left him to-- 796 00:41:42,412 --> 00:41:43,631 Oh my God, no. 797 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:47,330 Not my little boy. 798 00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:51,247 I-- I wouldn't have. 799 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:58,037 Not my Ian. Not... 800 00:42:08,482 --> 00:42:09,788 Peck should be struck off. 801 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:13,399 To put her up there without explaining the post-mortem results 802 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,880 that is unforgivable. 803 00:42:15,271 --> 00:42:18,144 I take it that we all believe she was telling the truth? 804 00:42:21,147 --> 00:42:22,582 Then, now what? 805 00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:24,585 Judge Hall's called us in. 806 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:28,546 I presume she'll want to discharge the jury, start again. 807 00:42:28,894 --> 00:42:30,025 With what charge? 808 00:42:31,244 --> 00:42:32,811 It'll still be manslaughter. 809 00:42:35,161 --> 00:42:37,903 She started the fire that ultimately killed her son. 810 00:42:38,773 --> 00:42:40,774 And she withheld an injection 811 00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:43,604 that could have prevented him from going into a coma in the first place. 812 00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:49,349 Mercy killing is still killing, 813 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,612 and it's still illegal. 814 00:42:53,919 --> 00:42:56,878 So, Megan Parnell has to spend the next six months in limbo, 815 00:42:57,139 --> 00:42:59,838 then go through this all over again, because her lawyer let her down? 816 00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:03,276 But, we can hardly continue the current trial. 817 00:43:03,668 --> 00:43:05,712 Even if the judge and the defense agreed, 818 00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:07,801 then Megan could appeal any conviction 819 00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:10,022 on the grounds that she was wrongly advised. 820 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,939 Which means... 821 00:43:15,244 --> 00:43:17,638 her barrister would be accused of negligence. 822 00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:22,948 So, with decent representation, she could be out in six months. 823 00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:27,387 We take defense out of Peck's hands. 824 00:43:31,957 --> 00:43:35,351 I don't understand. You want to just carry on? 825 00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:38,267 Having weighed up the options, 826 00:43:40,226 --> 00:43:42,096 the prosecution would still be prepared to accept a plea to manslaughter. 827 00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:44,839 I'm sure you realize the implications of continuing? 828 00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,191 It would spare Megan the trauma of a second trial. 829 00:43:50,366 --> 00:43:52,934 And whatever sentence you choose to pass... 830 00:43:53,892 --> 00:43:57,460 could take into account the circumstances surrounding Ian's death. 831 00:44:02,857 --> 00:44:04,729 Hmmm. That's certainly true. 832 00:44:07,775 --> 00:44:08,776 Alright. 833 00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:11,953 I am prepared to continue. 834 00:44:12,824 --> 00:44:16,436 Provided we all understand each other. 835 00:44:17,393 --> 00:44:18,394 Okay, great. 836 00:44:20,614 --> 00:44:21,702 So, what do we do now? 837 00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:32,365 Megan Parnell, you have pleaded guilty to the charge of manslaughter, 838 00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:36,108 and admitted to causing the death of your son, Ian Parnell, 839 00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:38,153 in a fire at your home. 840 00:44:39,154 --> 00:44:41,591 The seriousness of this crime... 841 00:44:41,896 --> 00:44:46,379 leaves me no option but to impose a custodial sentence. 842 00:44:48,555 --> 00:44:52,646 However, given your previous good character, 843 00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:55,343 and your sadly mistaken belief 844 00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:59,131 that your son was already dead when you started the fire, 845 00:44:59,740 --> 00:45:02,525 the court wishes to show a degree of leniency. 846 00:45:04,527 --> 00:45:08,096 I hereby sentence you to three years in prison, 847 00:45:09,315 --> 00:45:10,576 with the recommendation 848 00:45:10,577 --> 00:45:13,667 that you'd be fully psychologically assessed 849 00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:16,322 prior to the commencement of the sentence. 850 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:20,065 You may take the prisoner down. 68572

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