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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
by two separate yet equally important groups.
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The police,
who investigate crime,
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and the Crown Prosecutors,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- It's an oxymoron.
- No, it's not.
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Matty, what are
you talking about?
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Sausages are made from meat,
not soya.
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And they certainly ain't made
from vegetables.
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Why should veggies be denied
the pleasure of a sausage roll?
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And let's face it, Ron,
it is half the fat.
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And half the taste,
I'll have you know
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I'm at the peak of my fitness.
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Do not let this
cuddly exterior fool you, son.
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Blimey! Who died?
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My office... now.
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He's in there.
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How could anyone?
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He's five, maybe six.
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Looks like he's only been dead
a few hours.
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Contusions round the...
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Are you okay, Joy?
Take your time, love.
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Contusions round the neck.
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Petechiae round the eyes.
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A bang to the back of the head.
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There's curvilinear abrasions
here and here,
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suggesting strangulation.
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And there's this.
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Caused by something sharp
and pointed,
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bigger than a pin
or a needle, though.
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Looks like a letter R.
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What's that on his lips?
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There was a popping noise
when I moved him
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to examine the head wound.
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This was on the floor.
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Someone's poured the whole lot
into his mouth.
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Crackle Candy.
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Just when you think
you've seen it all.
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How can we have
a body when a kid hasn't even been missed?
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'Cause the parents
probably did it.
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Maybe they're at work.
I mean, it's half term.
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So... I reckon even the parents
around here with jobs
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- couldn't afford a child-minder.
- They haven't even noticed he's missing.
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Keep them
as far away as possible.
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There's CCTV all over this estate.
They must have caught something.
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Provided you can find
one that works.
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I'll get Intel onto it.
You talk to the kids.
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See if any of their mates
have gone AWOL.
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Darren's in the park doing it
with Shania Chapman.
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- How old is Darren?
- Eleven.
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Eleven.
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Whatever happened
to a game of conkers?
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What's conkers?
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Conor. Conor.
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Conor.
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What's happening there?
You alright, son? What's up?
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My brother, Conor,
was supposed to meet me over the shop hours ago.
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- How old is your brother?
- Six.
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- When did you last see him?
- This morning.
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I saw him.
He was playing over there.
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And then this smelly man
come and took him.
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Baseball cap,
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with like a beard.
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And wearing a leather jacket.
That's what you said, babe.
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And you saw him with Conor?
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He smelled like petrol.
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- Right.
- Devlin.
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I mean, you were so close
to him you could smell him?
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He walked past her, didn't he?
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- Okay.
- When he walked past you,
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- was Conor with him then?
- No.
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He went in with Conor,
but he come out on his own.
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Okay.
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They just picked up
Conor's mum from work.
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She's on her way
to the mortuary.
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I was late for work.
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I didn't kiss him goodbye.
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Julie, I'm very sorry,
but we're going to need to ask you some questions, okay?
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Do you think
he was really scared?
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You've had some contact
with Social Services over the kids, yeah?
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My ex hit Liam, once.
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The minute I found out,
I packed his bags.
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So, there wasn't an adult
that you could leave him with?
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You think I could afford
a super-nanny?
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I work 12 hours a day
to keep a roof over our heads.
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I can't just give up
cause it's school holidays.
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So, Liam looks after Conor
while you're at work, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Liam and the girls.
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- That's Paige Ward?
- Paige and her mate.
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Always coming round
asking if they could babysit.
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Conor loved them.
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Can I get Buddy back?
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That's his toy dog.
He took him everywhere.
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Of course, yeah,
we need to keep him just a little bit longer,
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but we'll let you have him back as soon as we can.
I promise.
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Julie, have you ever
seen this man around the estate?
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We think he's a mechanic.
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Yeah, he looks like my neighbor's boyfriend.
Rob something.
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No, he works at the garage
on Cold Harbor Lane. That's it.
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You think it was him?
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Maybe you should
call your brief.
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I don't need a brief
because I don't know nothing about no little boy.
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I'm a red-blooded bloke, mate.
Look under my mattress
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- if you don't believe me.
- Our witness saw you take
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that boy into those flats.
Only, you came out alone
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and he ended up dead.
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The boy lived in the flat
next door to your girlfriend.
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Or at least he did
until our witness spotted you abduct him.
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Well, they need
their eyes testing, don't they?
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Because I banged
on my missus' door for ten minutes.
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- And then I went back to work.
- And did anyone see you leave?
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Well, I don't know, do I?
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No, no. There was--
There was a girl.
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There was a girl.
She must have been about twelve-ish.
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- That's it?
- Yeah.
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She had like fair hair.
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She was a skinny thing.
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And an Arsenal shirt.
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- And this was at Lexden House?
- Right by the door,
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like she was waiting
for someone to come out.
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Here's the problem, Paige.
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You say you saw the man
at the empty flats,
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the ones they're pulling down.
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He went inside with Conor.
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I don't like her playing
near them empty flats.
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Well, you see, we think you saw
the man at Lexden House where Conor lived.
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- No.
- Are you sure it wasn't Lexden House?
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It was Peldon.
I ain't lying, Mum.
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Paige don't tell lies.
She's a good girl.
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And you've never been
to Lexden House at any time?
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- No.
- Are you sure about that?
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I said, didn't I? I told you.
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- Why's he picking on me?
- We just need really you
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to help us out, here.
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Yeah. Would you like a drink?
Do you want a cup of tea, Matty?
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Mrs. Ward, would you like
a cup of tea?
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- Oh, yeah. Cheers. Two sugars.
- Okay.
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I used to chew my nails
when I was a kid.
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Especially if I was nervous.
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We had this teacher at school.
He used to bang his hand
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down on the table
every time he saw me do it.
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Of course, that only made
me do it even more.
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You chew your nails
'cause you're nervous, don't you?
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The thing is, Paige...
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we've spoken to the man
that you saw with Conor.
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And he says that you saw him
at Lexden House where Conor lived.
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- He was by Peldon.
- And you're absolutely certain?
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- Cross my heart.
- 'Cause I won't be angry
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you know, if you've made a mistake.
We all make mistakes.
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If you don't believe her,
you can ask her mate.
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Joined at the hip them two.
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Someone else saw what happened?
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Rose.
She was with me the whole time.
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- Who is it?
- Police. Open up, please.
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You got a warrant?
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- Is your mum there, Rose?
- She's busy.
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We just need you
to open the door.
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I'm only supposed to open
the door if she screams.
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Thank you.
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I don't do threesomes.
So, your mate will have to wait in here.
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Actually, we would like
to talk to Rose
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about the boy who died
in the empty flats.
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Rose don't know nothing
about it.
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Well, we think she
could be a witness.
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So, we'd like you both to come
down to the station for a video ID.
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Both girls picked out
Denton from the video ID.
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We've enough to charge him.
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And Denton identified Paige
outside the dead boy's flat.
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Or maybe he saw her
at the murder scene.
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But Denton hasn't
got any previous involving kids.
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Now, the cause
of death we confirmed,
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it wasn't a bump on the head,
it was by manual strangulation.
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No signs
of sexual assault.
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Oh, so he's been flying under the radar.
Those girls know what they saw.
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- I still think Paige is lying.
- Because she chews her nails?
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- It's just a feeling, Ron.
- Well, we can talk to her again.
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- That's no problem.
- If the girls saw Denton take
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the kid,
then someone else must've done.
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Someone did.
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There's something
you need to see.
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This is Denton outside
his girlfriend's flat.
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At 9:31 he heads
towards the car park.
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Then at 9:35...
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And another camera picks them up
heading towards Peldon House.
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Please, God, tell me
this isn't what I think it is.
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Look at her.
Face of an angel.
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Paige seems to trust you.
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You take Rose,
but I want a member of CPS watching those interviews.
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And I want both girls arrested
and cautioned
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before they speak a single word.
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You understand that you can have
a solicitor here if you want one?
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Oh, we don't need one.
She ain't done nothing wrong,
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- have you, babe?
- No.
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Okay.
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I want to talk
about what happened to little Conor.
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You went out
to play with your friend, Paige. Is that right?
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- Yeah. We played football.
- Okay.
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- Rose, do you know Conor?
- You know she does.
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- He lives in our block.
- Miss Shaw, I need Rose to answer
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- the questions, please.
- Come on, then.
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Rose, did you go to Conor's flat
the morning that he died?
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Yeah. Liam left him alone.
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So, you and Paige
took him out to play, yeah?
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- It ain't nice being left on your own.
- Is this gonna take much longer?
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Is there somewhere
you need to be?
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I mean,
I can always get a social worker
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- to come and sit in if you can't wait.
- You don't know me.
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Just get on with it, yeah?
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So, where did you take Conor
to play, Rose?
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By Peldon House.
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But, then this man come
and took Conor inside.
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And you know
that's where we found Conor, don't you? Peldon House?
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Did he just lay down and die?
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Well, you know what?
I think you know how he died, Rose.
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I don't think there was
any man there at all.
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Yes, there was a man.
Look, the man took him.
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Ask him what happened to Conor,
not me.
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- I don't think you're telling me the truth.
- Yes, I am!
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I've changed my mind.
You can call that social worker.
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- No, Mum, you can't leave me.
- No, just listen to what he says, right?
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The only words you say
are "No comment".
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No, Mum. No, I want to go home
with my mum.
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Stay here, Rose.
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Look, Kelly, I used to sit
in these rooms just as twitchy as you...
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- Mum.
- ...Calm down.
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Kelly, listen to me, alright?
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Mum!
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I wasn't worrying about what
my next question was,
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I was worrying about when
I was gonna get my next drink.
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- Mum!
- Shut up!
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Kelly, today could be the first day you don't use.
And you do have a choice.
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Your habit or your daughter.
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Mum. Mum! Mum!
Mum, please! Mum, Mum!
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So, you like Arsenal, yeah?
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They're the best
and it's alright to support them if you're
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from South London 'cause really
they're from Woolwich Arsenal.
238
00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,592
They just moved north
in the olden days.
239
00:16:25,593 --> 00:16:29,161
Yeah, that's right.
And you got number 11 on your shirt.
240
00:16:29,162 --> 00:16:31,338
- That's Van Persie, isn't it?
- Rachel Yankey.
241
00:16:31,816 --> 00:16:34,122
- She done this talk at our school.
- Arsenal Ladies.
242
00:16:34,123 --> 00:16:35,472
It's all she goes on about.
243
00:16:37,083 --> 00:16:38,432
Well, maybe one day you'll be
the next Rachel Yankey, eh?
244
00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:40,347
No, I'll never be
as good as her.
245
00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:42,566
I used to play a bit
when I was a kid.
246
00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:45,743
Yeah, we had a scout
from the Arsenal come 'round our school once.
247
00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:49,182
Only, I was so nervous
about not being picked
248
00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:52,140
- I pulled a sickie.
- You didn't even try?
249
00:16:52,141 --> 00:16:56,754
Well, I wanted to,
but the truth is I was too scared of messing up.
250
00:16:58,017 --> 00:16:59,627
I've never told anyone
that before.
251
00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:02,891
I feel better now
that I've told you.
252
00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:06,633
You know when you try
and keep a secret,
253
00:17:06,634 --> 00:17:07,765
and you wanna tell,
254
00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:11,900
it sort of hurts
to keep it inside.
255
00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:16,687
Well, if you share it
with a friend, it feels better.
256
00:17:16,992 --> 00:17:19,864
You see, Paige,
I think you've got a secret
257
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,128
about what happened
to little Conor.
258
00:17:23,738 --> 00:17:25,174
And we're friends, aren't we?
259
00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:29,787
Let me share your secret.
260
00:17:31,485 --> 00:17:32,877
Make it stop hurting.
261
00:17:35,489 --> 00:17:36,359
Mum.
262
00:17:45,281 --> 00:17:46,848
She's so close I can smell it.
263
00:17:50,243 --> 00:17:53,072
When my girls were little,
I took them to the fair one Sunday.
264
00:17:57,337 --> 00:18:01,036
And we were queuing up
and I was paying for the girl s to get on this ride.
265
00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:05,867
A typical Sunday dad,
over-compensating them.
266
00:18:06,389 --> 00:18:09,784
I've got toys
and prizes I'd won.
267
00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:12,830
Popcorn, candy floss,
all that stuff.
268
00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:16,660
I turned 'round,
and the little one had gone.
269
00:18:20,577 --> 00:18:23,276
Just disappeared,
and the place was mobbed.
270
00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:29,151
That is really,
truly frightening for me.
271
00:18:30,805 --> 00:18:31,893
Do you know where she was?
272
00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:34,852
And me a copper, an' all!
273
00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:38,551
She'd sneaked
into the stall next door,
274
00:18:38,552 --> 00:18:40,119
and was trying
to nick a goldfish.
275
00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,514
I tell you, kids, mate!
276
00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:47,256
It's frightening.
277
00:18:49,737 --> 00:18:51,042
We should get back in there.
278
00:18:52,261 --> 00:18:53,219
Yeah.
279
00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:56,178
Just give us a minute, eh?
280
00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:05,753
Tell me it ain't true you,
got them girls in there.
281
00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:10,149
They wouldn't hurt my Conor.
No, they wouldn't!
282
00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:13,238
We're just talking to them
at the moment, Julie.
283
00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:16,545
Yeah, but they're just kids.
I mean, please, just tell me
284
00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:20,070
they didn't do it, yeah?
Please, please, I mean it!
285
00:19:21,725 --> 00:19:22,639
I'm sorry.
286
00:19:37,088 --> 00:19:38,220
That's you,
isn't it, Paige?
287
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,919
Number 11, like Rachel Yankey.
288
00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:44,444
And that's Rose, isn't it?
289
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:48,709
And that's Conor.
290
00:19:51,538 --> 00:19:54,018
You see, there's cameras
all over the estate.
291
00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:57,369
They take pictures
of people walking about,
292
00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:58,936
going in and out of the blocks.
293
00:20:00,677 --> 00:20:04,246
This picture was taken
about 20 minutes before Conor died.
294
00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:10,295
There's other pictures
that show the man that you picked out
295
00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:13,299
leaving the estate
before Conor died.
296
00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:25,136
Do you think Mum realizes
just how serious this is?
297
00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:29,053
Who wants to believe
their kid's involved with something like this?
298
00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:33,319
The poor woman's in shock.
299
00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,106
I know I would be if that was
one of my girls sat there.
300
00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:42,283
Maybe we should
get Matt to ask again if they want a brief.
301
00:20:42,284 --> 00:20:43,894
She's gonna spill
any second.
302
00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:49,160
You know I love you, babe,
no matter what you done.
303
00:20:50,814 --> 00:20:52,642
You got to tell
the policeman the truth.
304
00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,429
Who went into Peldon House
with Conor?
305
00:20:58,518 --> 00:20:59,649
Just me and Rose.
306
00:21:02,783 --> 00:21:05,655
And little Conor. We took him.
307
00:21:06,439 --> 00:21:08,005
And did someone hurt Conor?
308
00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:10,486
He was crying.
309
00:21:12,009 --> 00:21:13,097
He wanted his mum.
310
00:21:14,447 --> 00:21:17,580
And Rose put her hands
around his neck.
311
00:21:20,801 --> 00:21:22,281
He tried to get her off,
312
00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:25,762
but he fell back
and banged his head against the wall.
313
00:21:26,067 --> 00:21:28,374
It's okay, baby. It's okay.
314
00:21:30,767 --> 00:21:33,814
- What happened next, Paige?
- She got on top of him.
315
00:21:35,076 --> 00:21:37,034
Started squeezing
his neck again.
316
00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:41,082
When she got off,
he just lay there.
317
00:21:43,606 --> 00:21:46,566
And then she
got out this compass,
318
00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:48,829
like we use in Math's,
319
00:21:50,744 --> 00:21:54,443
and told me to scratch my name
on his tummy.
320
00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:56,750
And you did it?
321
00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,100
I only did the P.
322
00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:02,799
I couldn't do the rest.
323
00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:06,325
Then she took it off me,
324
00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:10,329
and done another line
to make it to an R for Rose.
325
00:22:15,508 --> 00:22:16,726
Can we go home now?
326
00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:26,996
Police have arrested
two girls aged 10 and 13
327
00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:30,044
on suspicion of the murder
of five-year-old Conor Reid.
328
00:22:30,479 --> 00:22:33,830
Conor was found dead here
at the Kelvedon Estate last week.
329
00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:37,920
It's believed the girls
were moved to a secret location last night
330
00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:41,446
after the police station, where
they were being held, came under siege
331
00:22:41,447 --> 00:22:42,926
from angry protestors.
332
00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:46,625
This is getting out of hand,
and we haven't even charged them yet.
333
00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:50,456
Little girl killers.
The public can't stomach it.
334
00:22:51,674 --> 00:22:52,893
It's understandable.
335
00:22:57,854 --> 00:22:59,203
Kids killing kids.
336
00:23:01,249 --> 00:23:02,772
This is as bad as it gets.
337
00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:07,168
So, what are the girls saying?
338
00:23:08,691 --> 00:23:10,823
- They're blaming each other.
- What about the forensics?
339
00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:14,087
The girls were tested too late
for any surviving contact trace evidence.
340
00:23:14,088 --> 00:23:16,263
We're still waiting
on the analysis of their clothing.
341
00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:18,918
So, until we get it,
there's no way of knowing which one of them
342
00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:19,963
is telling the truth?
343
00:23:21,312 --> 00:23:23,010
The police believe
Paige is telling the truth,
344
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:26,795
that Rose is the killer.
Paige has cooperated fully.
345
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:29,059
And she's prepared
to give evidence against Rose in court.
346
00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,366
What does her brief want
in return?
347
00:23:31,627 --> 00:23:33,368
A Section 73 agreement.
348
00:23:34,674 --> 00:23:36,152
Paige has given a statement
349
00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:40,593
detailing exactly how Rose Shaw
killed Conor Reid.
350
00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:43,334
She's a witness, nothing more.
351
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:47,687
Your client carved her initial
into the dead boy's skin.
352
00:23:48,209 --> 00:23:51,603
She colluded with her friend
to concoct a story, blaming an innocent man.
353
00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:54,954
- Under duress from Rose Shaw.
- Oh, come on, Luke!
354
00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:57,086
Rose is three years younger
than your client.
355
00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:59,611
And bright as a button
according to her teachers.
356
00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:03,006
Paige, on the other hand,
has learning difficulties.
357
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:08,664
The police believe Rose Shaw acted alone.
A jury will, too.
358
00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:14,931
Paige pleads guilty
to assisting an offender.
359
00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:18,935
She's practically handing you
Rose Shaw with bells on.
360
00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:21,502
The least you can do
is drop the charges.
361
00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:24,680
That's the deal.
Take it or leave it.
362
00:24:25,072 --> 00:24:26,465
We sign that agreement,
363
00:24:26,769 --> 00:24:27,814
there's no going back.
364
00:24:29,816 --> 00:24:31,078
Paige Ward gets immunity
on everything except assisting an offender, right?
365
00:24:33,036 --> 00:24:34,950
Okay.
Get the papers signed.
366
00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:37,040
But we charge Rose with murder.
367
00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:38,738
Who's her brief?
368
00:24:40,653 --> 00:24:41,958
You so don't want to know.
369
00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:45,179
Come on.
How bad can it be?
370
00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:50,184
There he is, Balls of Steel.
371
00:24:50,706 --> 00:24:53,492
- Kim.
- You don't call. You don't write.
372
00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,624
You didn't seriously expect
any deals on the table?
373
00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:57,887
You did get my email?
374
00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,022
Oh, don't tell me it's still
floating around in cyberspace.
375
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:07,374
I told our new clerk
when we need to disclose something to the Crown,
376
00:25:07,375 --> 00:25:10,030
- now means now.
- What are you disclosing?
377
00:25:11,727 --> 00:25:15,601
I've brought you a spare copy,
just in case.
378
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:28,614
Deep breaths.
379
00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:36,360
Rose Shaw
is ten years old.
380
00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:39,973
She played no part
in this horrific crime,
381
00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:43,716
and is devastated
to learn that her best friend says otherwise.
382
00:25:44,238 --> 00:25:48,068
I'm asking you
to release this poor child into her mother's care.
383
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:52,158
Miss Sharkey,
as much as it irks me to have to consider
384
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,597
locking up a ten-year-old,
Paige Ward has your client
385
00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:58,295
choking a boy to death
with her bare hands.
386
00:25:59,035 --> 00:26:01,734
I simply cannot ignore
such a statement.
387
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:05,825
Indeed you cannot,
My Lord, were said statement taken legally.
388
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:10,003
However... I suggest
that is not the case,
389
00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:13,789
and hereby apply to have
Paige Ward's interview excluded.
390
00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:16,486
My Lord, I request
an immediate adjournment.
391
00:26:16,487 --> 00:26:18,967
The Crown have not been informed
of any such application.
392
00:26:18,968 --> 00:26:21,317
And yet Miss Phillips
appears to have a copy
393
00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:23,755
of the application
and all supporting evidence
394
00:26:23,756 --> 00:26:25,147
right there in front of her.
395
00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:27,586
Because you handed it over
five minutes ago.
396
00:26:27,847 --> 00:26:31,111
Either it was disclosed
or it was not, Mr. Steel.
397
00:26:32,199 --> 00:26:33,548
Continue, Ms. Sharkey.
398
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:38,508
At the time of her interview,
Paige Ward was not accompanied
399
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:40,990
by a solicitor
or appropriate adult.
400
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,949
She was accompanied
by her 28-year-old mother
401
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:45,907
who refused
legal representation.
402
00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,824
A woman with an IQ below that
of an average 12-year-old.
403
00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:51,260
Unlike the morals
of an average 12-year-old
404
00:26:51,261 --> 00:26:53,045
which my learned colleague
shares.
405
00:26:53,046 --> 00:26:54,830
Miss Sharkey, Mr. Steel,
406
00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:57,267
my chambers now, please.
407
00:26:58,704 --> 00:27:00,400
After meeting
Paige Ward's mother,
408
00:27:00,401 --> 00:27:02,968
I took it upon myself
to have her IQ tested.
409
00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:07,494
It also came to light that she
has learning difficulties and mild autism.
410
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:10,149
There wasn't time
to second-guess the IQ of appropriate adults.
411
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:12,238
The police had to act quickly
in the best interest
412
00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:14,153
- of gathering evidence.
- Evidence they gathered
413
00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:18,636
by coercing a 13-year old girl
into saying what they wanted to hear.
414
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:21,856
They bribed her
with a Happy Meal, and chatted about her hobbies,
415
00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:24,642
- for God's sakes.
- The officer was creating a bond of trust.
416
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,644
with the suspect.
They naturally assumed
417
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,907
the mother would intervene
if she was unhappy with the line of questions.
418
00:27:28,908 --> 00:27:32,040
Her mother wouldn't
have intervened if DS Devlin had danced the fandango
419
00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:33,520
- with her.
- The only one making a song
420
00:27:33,521 --> 00:27:35,609
and dance about this is you.
What've you got planned
421
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,611
for your finale, Kim?
IQ test Paige Ward's counsel?
422
00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:38,526
Enough, enough.
423
00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:42,790
The whole point
of an appropriate adult
424
00:27:42,791 --> 00:27:46,186
is to safeguard
the rights and welfare of young people in custody.
425
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:50,538
I intend to play this one
with a straight bat.
426
00:27:53,497 --> 00:27:55,498
I'm granting
Ms. Sharkey's application
427
00:27:55,499 --> 00:27:56,805
to exclude the statement.
428
00:28:02,071 --> 00:28:05,684
That statement put Rose Shaw's
hands round Conor Reid's neck.
429
00:28:06,641 --> 00:28:10,732
We signed the Section 73
based on it, now we can't even use it!
430
00:28:11,472 --> 00:28:14,518
You must have realized
Tina Ward wasn't a suitable, appropriate adult.
431
00:28:15,084 --> 00:28:16,695
Do I look like Derren Brown?
432
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:19,479
She came across like half
the adults we meet.
433
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,569
We don't exactly deal
with Mensa candidates.
434
00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:24,963
Any other judge
would have thrown Sharkey out of court
435
00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:28,054
pulling a stunt like that.
Blame Justice Pedotti.
436
00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,665
And do we have a case
without that statement?
437
00:28:32,972 --> 00:28:36,758
Please tell me,
forensics are going to confirm Rose Shaw's guilt.
438
00:28:37,019 --> 00:28:39,717
Without a doubt.
Conor's DNA is gonna be
439
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:41,632
all over Rose Shaw's clothing.
440
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:46,986
Well, let's get
this over with, then.
441
00:28:49,684 --> 00:28:53,688
We represent Conor,
which means we represent you.
442
00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:58,474
We're certain
the forensic analysis of the girl's clothing
443
00:28:58,475 --> 00:29:01,739
will give us
the evidence we need to put Rose Shaw behind bars
444
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:02,784
for a very long time.
445
00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:04,394
She'll go to prison?
446
00:29:06,048 --> 00:29:08,747
Well, initially she'll remain
in secure local authority care.
447
00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:11,487
Then when she's old enough,
she'll be transferred
448
00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:14,709
to a young offenders' institution.
Then an adult prison.
449
00:29:15,014 --> 00:29:17,232
- Her whole childhood.
- You won't have to worry
450
00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,845
about her being released
until her early 20s.
451
00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:25,719
I saw this woman
on the news last night
452
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,854
and she said Rose Shaw
was Satan reborn.
453
00:29:30,116 --> 00:29:32,074
They should bring back hanging
just for her.
454
00:29:33,859 --> 00:29:35,991
I've never heard so much hate
in someone's voice.
455
00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:40,387
Well, public feeling
is very strong.
456
00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:42,389
All these flowers
on the estate,
457
00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:46,393
sack loads of cards every day
like they all knew him.
458
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:50,876
All of them out there
feeding off my boy's death.
459
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,922
Then it take over their lives.
460
00:29:55,271 --> 00:29:56,664
It's like they need it.
461
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:01,582
The funny thing is,
all I want...
462
00:30:02,278 --> 00:30:05,586
yeah, all I need is
to let it go.
463
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,458
The trial can help you do that.
464
00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:10,591
Sending her
to prison won't help me.
465
00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:15,465
It won't bring my boy back.
466
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:24,082
Most victims' families
find it gives them a sense of closure.
467
00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:27,477
Closure? This ain't closure.
468
00:30:28,914 --> 00:30:30,219
This is revenge.
469
00:30:32,221 --> 00:30:34,789
No, that little girl
don't deserve it.
470
00:30:35,311 --> 00:30:36,921
She's been through enough.
471
00:30:36,922 --> 00:30:40,534
We live on the same estate.
I know what goes on in there.
472
00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:45,408
She broke the law
in the most terrible way.
473
00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:46,932
She's a child.
474
00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,633
What, you wanna hide her
behind a ten-foot wall so no-one has to look at her?
475
00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:57,812
No-one has to ask her
who's really responsible for Conor's death?
476
00:30:58,204 --> 00:30:59,118
No.
477
00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:03,078
No, no. It's too easy.
478
00:31:04,384 --> 00:31:07,039
Prosecuting kids is never easy.
479
00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:10,738
My Conor, he used to...
480
00:31:12,392 --> 00:31:14,088
he liked to draw them pictures,
you know, the ones where you put
481
00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:16,396
the paint through straws.
482
00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:21,053
He loved dogs.
483
00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:26,928
That's how I wanna remember him.
484
00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:30,540
My happy little boy.
485
00:31:32,455 --> 00:31:34,805
I don't want
my memories clouded by hate.
486
00:31:37,765 --> 00:31:41,769
I mean, would you want
your son brought up in a world with no hope?
487
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:49,037
You can't save Conor.
488
00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:51,910
But you can save her.
489
00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:57,002
Yeah, you can give
Rosie Shaw a life.
490
00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:59,482
You can forgive her?
491
00:32:01,006 --> 00:32:03,269
I hate what she did
492
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:07,664
with every bone in my body,
but...
493
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:12,887
but... I'm a mum.
494
00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:17,848
I can't hate a child.
495
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,245
You say you represent me...
496
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,291
then this is what you do.
497
00:32:26,292 --> 00:32:30,252
You make Conor's life
mean something.
498
00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:35,649
You find out why she did it,
and you get that little girl help.
499
00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:44,136
We have to help her.
500
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,966
We can't just drop
a murder charge.
501
00:32:48,314 --> 00:32:51,142
The DPP will have your balls
and mine too, George.
502
00:32:51,143 --> 00:32:54,145
Not just the DPP,
the Attorney General wants
503
00:32:54,146 --> 00:32:55,886
Rose Shaw convicted
of murder.
504
00:32:56,844 --> 00:32:59,325
So that's it.
Our hands are tied.
505
00:33:00,717 --> 00:33:01,936
Not on my watch.
506
00:33:03,285 --> 00:33:04,983
You heard
what Mrs. Reid wants.
507
00:33:07,028 --> 00:33:07,986
What do we do?
508
00:33:09,335 --> 00:33:11,337
My granddaughter
is the same age.
509
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,515
She spends
her time riding ponies and making daisy chains.
510
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:19,998
I want to know
what makes a girl of ten
511
00:33:20,215 --> 00:33:22,261
put her hands
round a child's neck...
512
00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:24,959
and squeeze the life out of him.
513
00:33:29,181 --> 00:33:32,140
Rose, did you worry
what your mum was doing with these men?
514
00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:38,625
My mum says that psychiatrists,
they mess up your brain waves.
515
00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:41,845
Is that what you're gonna
do to me?
516
00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:44,412
Dr. Marsh believes that
517
00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:48,242
the abuse changed the physiology
of Rose's nervous system, which means
518
00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:50,985
her responsibility
was diminished at the time of the killing.
519
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,510
Right, we offer Sharkey
a deal, then.
520
00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:57,296
Get Rose the help
that she needs.
521
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:01,169
Police just called.
Forensics are in.
522
00:34:02,431 --> 00:34:05,608
- Are you sure about this?
- Forensics don't lie. Kids do.
523
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,046
- But everyone was so certain.
- They checked both the girls' clothing.
524
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:12,701
There are 148 microscopic spots
of blood on the front of her shirt.
525
00:34:12,702 --> 00:34:14,921
Which means
that when the boy died,
526
00:34:14,922 --> 00:34:18,186
the one with her hands
around his throat was Paige Ward.
527
00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:24,584
We have a Section 73 signed
and sealed.
528
00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:28,543
You can't charge Paige
with anything further in relation to this case.
529
00:34:28,544 --> 00:34:32,287
Your client had
Conor Reid's blood all over her shirt.
530
00:34:34,333 --> 00:34:37,291
Which means
that when Conor Reid died
531
00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:39,947
the person in contact with him
was indeed Paige,
532
00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:42,340
and not Rose Shaw.
533
00:34:42,341 --> 00:34:45,256
It isn't true. It was Rose.
534
00:34:45,257 --> 00:34:48,911
Must I remind you again,
gentlemen,
535
00:34:48,912 --> 00:34:51,393
my client isn't here
to be interrogated.
536
00:34:51,698 --> 00:34:55,093
Paige, you trust me, don't you?
537
00:34:57,878 --> 00:34:59,314
I need you to tell me the truth.
538
00:35:00,054 --> 00:35:02,274
We can walk out
of here right now.
539
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:04,014
It's not what you think.
540
00:35:04,276 --> 00:35:06,277
Paige, you don't have
to say another word.
541
00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:07,888
I want to explain.
542
00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:14,155
After she done it,
Rose just left. I picked Conor up,
543
00:35:14,721 --> 00:35:17,332
but he made this noise,
like a cough sort of.
544
00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:21,249
- Why did you move him, Paige?
- I wanted to take him home to his mum.
545
00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:23,817
But then Rose come back
with the compass.
546
00:35:24,861 --> 00:35:26,385
I swear I didn't hurt Conor.
547
00:35:27,995 --> 00:35:30,737
It was me who put the toys there
in case he got lonely.
548
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:35,741
The pathologist
has re-examined Conor's body.
549
00:35:35,742 --> 00:35:38,613
He found pulmonary
interstitial emphysema,
550
00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:41,225
a buildup of pressure
in Conor's lungs
551
00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:43,270
caused by blood
blocking the airways.
552
00:35:43,271 --> 00:35:46,404
Now, it could have been released
when Paige lifted him up
553
00:35:46,405 --> 00:35:49,058
causing expiration spatter
or it could've been released
554
00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:50,278
as she was choking him.
555
00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:53,281
So much for forensics proving
which one of them did it.
556
00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:56,415
Sharkey's gonna have
a field day with this.
557
00:35:57,416 --> 00:35:58,417
Maybe not.
558
00:36:00,114 --> 00:36:02,246
According
to the forensic report,
559
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:05,032
there were
seven curvilinear abrasions on Conor's neck.
560
00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:08,600
Three were at the front
made by Conor trying to pry
561
00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:10,124
his attacker's hands off.
562
00:36:10,385 --> 00:36:12,604
And four at the back made
by his attacker choking him.
563
00:36:12,605 --> 00:36:16,216
Yeah, but the report said
without finding Conor's skin
564
00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,739
in the fingernail scrapings
565
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:20,089
there was no way to ascertain
which girl made them.
566
00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:23,006
But only Paige Ward's
fingernails are bitten to the quick.
567
00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,880
The nail marks
on the back of Conor's neck.
568
00:36:27,968 --> 00:36:31,885
Rose Shaw has a defect
on the nail of her left forefinger.
569
00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,801
The same defect
can be seen in those marks.
570
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:39,588
A hundred and forty-eight spots
of blood on a shirt spell murder to a jury.
571
00:36:40,067 --> 00:36:43,244
Four nail marks spell
a bit of rough play.
572
00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,942
You should give juries
more credit, Kim.
573
00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:49,510
Lucky for you we don't intend
to put this to a jury.
574
00:36:49,511 --> 00:36:52,383
- You're offering a deal?
- I'll accept a plea to manslaughter
575
00:36:52,384 --> 00:36:54,341
on the basis
of diminished responsibility.
576
00:36:54,342 --> 00:36:57,215
Rose gets a hospital order
with a Section 41 restriction.
577
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:59,304
You want to put her in hospital?
578
00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:03,395
Don't you? Rose needs treatment.
579
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:06,746
Thanks, but no thanks.
580
00:37:07,312 --> 00:37:10,837
Well, I'm giving your client
a way out of a murder charge.
581
00:37:11,141 --> 00:37:14,579
Surely, it's in Rose's
best interests to have someone try and fix her.
582
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:18,018
The child's a monster.
I doubt anyone could fix her.
583
00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:22,021
You're only offering a deal
because you're worried I'm going to win.
584
00:37:22,022 --> 00:37:24,110
You can care less
what's best for Rose.
585
00:37:24,111 --> 00:37:26,025
You just don't want to give up
your 15 minutes.
586
00:37:26,026 --> 00:37:30,247
Cases like this come along
once in a lifetime, James.
587
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,815
- They're career makers.
- This isn't a short cut to silk, Kim!
588
00:37:33,816 --> 00:37:36,819
- It's a child's life.
- Do calm down, James,
589
00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:39,779
or you'll be comparing ulcers
with George.
590
00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:44,305
The jury are going to see
a very pretty little girl
591
00:37:45,045 --> 00:37:47,874
and hear how the Crown
made a deal with a teenager
592
00:37:48,135 --> 00:37:51,225
who had the victim's blood
all over her shirt.
593
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:54,402
I know who I'd believe.
594
00:37:57,579 --> 00:37:58,580
She's a killer.
595
00:38:00,365 --> 00:38:02,801
And when the jury
see photographs of a strangled five-year-old,
596
00:38:02,802 --> 00:38:04,977
the only place they'll
want her is a prison cell.
597
00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:08,546
You know the prison system
doesn't have the provisions for the sort of treatment
598
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:11,288
- that this girl needs.
- What is this preoccupation
599
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:13,464
about treatment?
The public don't care
600
00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:15,422
- about treating killers.
- Well, they ought to.
601
00:38:15,423 --> 00:38:16,902
It's a matter of public safety.
602
00:38:16,903 --> 00:38:19,470
Now, if we send her to hospital,
she will be released
603
00:38:19,471 --> 00:38:22,387
only if and when
she's no longer a danger.
604
00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:27,217
Justice Pedotti will make sure
she gets a minimum tariff of 12 years.
605
00:38:27,653 --> 00:38:30,698
There's no votes in being soft
on children who commit crimes.
606
00:38:30,699 --> 00:38:34,267
I don't make decisions based
on what gets the Home Secretary most votes.
607
00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:37,271
You lock that little girl away,
and you might as well kill her, too.
608
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:41,405
I'm not asking, George.
As Director of Public Prosecutions,
609
00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:44,409
I'm telling.
You try that girl for murder,
610
00:38:45,061 --> 00:38:46,889
and you make sure
she's convicted.
611
00:38:54,419 --> 00:38:56,768
God, I swear
that woman was put on this earth
612
00:38:56,769 --> 00:38:58,814
just to irritate my duodenum.
613
00:38:59,685 --> 00:39:02,426
Whatever it takes,
you guarantee that that jury find
614
00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:05,080
on manslaughter,
diminished responsibility,
615
00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:07,823
and not murder.
I want that girl in a hospital,
616
00:39:08,084 --> 00:39:10,259
- not a prison.
- What about the DPP?
617
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,351
Screw the DPP?
I answer to Conor's mother on this one.
618
00:39:15,788 --> 00:39:19,444
Dr. Haim Ginott
talks about kids being like wet cement.
619
00:39:20,009 --> 00:39:22,142
Whatever falls on them
makes an impression.
620
00:39:22,925 --> 00:39:25,318
In Rose's case,
her abusive upbringing
621
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:28,670
means she's ended up
with a callous lack of concern for others.
622
00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:30,803
So, she lashes out.
623
00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:33,936
Is she in control
of her actions?
624
00:39:34,328 --> 00:39:37,417
I don't believe
at the time of the killing she intended to kill,
625
00:39:37,418 --> 00:39:39,594
or understood
the permanency of death.
626
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:43,381
- Can Rose's condition be treated?
- It must be treated.
627
00:39:43,903 --> 00:39:46,208
Rose needs
intensive psychotherapy
628
00:39:46,209 --> 00:39:49,690
- and pharmaceutical treatment.
- Thank you.
629
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:50,910
No further questions.
630
00:39:55,262 --> 00:39:57,220
Did you examine Paige Ward?
631
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:01,703
- No.
- Because the Crown didn't ask you to?
632
00:40:02,008 --> 00:40:04,836
- That's right.
- And yet, Rose told you repeatedly
633
00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:08,188
that it was Paige Ward
who killed Conor, did she not?
634
00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:12,278
- Well, yes, but denial is often--
- So, how are we to know
635
00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:14,585
what Paige Ward's
mental state was
636
00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:18,459
when Conor Reid's blood splashed
all over the front of her shirt,
637
00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:21,722
or when she carved her initial
into his stomach?
638
00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:25,553
My Lord, does my learned friend
assume the witness has psychic powers?
639
00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:28,468
How else could he
possibly answer such questions?
640
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:32,298
Miss Sharkey,
please reserve questions regarding blood evidence
641
00:40:32,299 --> 00:40:34,431
for the appropriate
expert witness.
642
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:36,651
Apologies, My Lord.
No further questions.
643
00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:40,524
"Evil from the day
she was born."
644
00:40:40,525 --> 00:40:43,004
How can any mother say that
about her own child?
645
00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:45,268
Trial by tabloid.
Just what we needed.
646
00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:47,966
The woman is poison.
The trial's not even over
647
00:40:47,967 --> 00:40:50,359
and she's got the public baying
for her daughter's blood!
648
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,622
Along with the jury.
649
00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:53,798
If there was any chance
of making them believe
650
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:56,888
her responsibility was
diminished, her mum and the bloody red tops just blew it.
651
00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:59,457
We have to find a way to make
that jury see what we see.
652
00:40:59,979 --> 00:41:02,371
I'm sorry, George.
I don't know what else we can do.
653
00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:04,548
Well, you have
to make them understand that Conor Reid
654
00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:07,551
is not the only victim here.
Rose Shaw's an abused child.
655
00:41:07,552 --> 00:41:08,683
She's a victim, too.
656
00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:18,388
No comment.
657
00:41:20,303 --> 00:41:22,391
Reporting restrictions exist for a reason.
To protect your daughter.
658
00:41:22,392 --> 00:41:24,002
You don't give a shit
about her welfare, do you.
659
00:41:24,003 --> 00:41:26,352
- I don't know what you mean.
- I hope your 30 pieces of silver
660
00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:28,397
were worth it 'cause thanks
to your sniveling to the tabloids,
661
00:41:28,398 --> 00:41:30,400
the country have made up
their minds up about her.
662
00:41:33,665 --> 00:41:35,100
You shouldn't be talking
to her, James
663
00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:36,275
Why not? She isn't a witness.
664
00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,233
Well, she should be.
665
00:41:38,234 --> 00:41:40,236
If the jury saw her true colors,
it's her they'd want to lock up, not Rose.
666
00:41:44,589 --> 00:41:45,590
So, let's call her.
667
00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:56,818
Can you tell the court
how you make your living?
668
00:42:00,082 --> 00:42:01,301
I ain't on trial here.
669
00:42:03,129 --> 00:42:04,609
Can you answer
the question, please?
670
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:08,482
- I'm a masseur.
- You're a prostitute, are you not?
671
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:11,484
We don't all have
the sorts of mummies and daddies to fund us
672
00:42:11,485 --> 00:42:13,531
- through university.
- Is Rose aware of what you do?
673
00:42:16,446 --> 00:42:18,360
When the police came
to talk to Rose,
674
00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:21,015
you were engaged in a sex act
with a client while she was
675
00:42:21,016 --> 00:42:23,889
- in the next room.
- Plenty of mums work from home these days.
676
00:42:25,934 --> 00:42:28,457
When Dr. Marsh spoke to Rose,
she told him that she'd not only seen
677
00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,242
- her mother working...
- Doctors twist things.
678
00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:32,984
...but she'd also seen violent,
sadistic, pornographic films
679
00:42:32,985 --> 00:42:36,205
- which you watched with clients.
- Turned her into a killer, did they?
680
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,513
Is it right that one
of the DVDs recovered from your flat showed a man passing out
681
00:42:40,514 --> 00:42:42,820
having been manually asphyxiated
during sex,
682
00:42:42,821 --> 00:42:45,344
and another showed a man
taking pleasure in being cut
683
00:42:45,345 --> 00:42:47,172
with a razor blade
during sexual intercourse?
684
00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:49,653
- You can't prove that she saw them.
- Can you prove she didn't?
685
00:42:49,654 --> 00:42:52,699
- I done my best for her.
- So, were you doing your best for Rose
686
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,788
when you tried to give her
away to a complete stranger
687
00:42:54,789 --> 00:42:57,096
- when she was just six weeks old?
- I was 16.
688
00:42:57,357 --> 00:42:59,141
It weren't easy
stuck on your own with a kid.
689
00:42:59,446 --> 00:43:02,492
What about the time
you sold her cot to fund your crystal meth habit?
690
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:06,105
I had a problem then. I owed money.
Rose don't go without now.
691
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:09,586
Because you work as a prostitute
servicing clients from a room
692
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,022
right next door
to your daughter's?
693
00:43:11,023 --> 00:43:13,591
- She don't see nothing.
- Well, she doesn't hear it?
694
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:16,767
She doesn't deal
with the fallout,
695
00:43:16,768 --> 00:43:19,161
like the time you were beaten
senseless by one of your clients?
696
00:43:19,901 --> 00:43:21,859
- That only happened once.
- Tell me,
697
00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:24,818
how would you have
protected Rose if this particular client had decided
698
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:26,299
to turn his attentions to her?
699
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:29,781
- He didn't.
- Can you be sure of that?
700
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:32,347
You were unconscious
for quite some time.
701
00:43:32,348 --> 00:43:35,786
In fact, it wasn't
until your next client turned up some six hours later
702
00:43:35,787 --> 00:43:38,398
- that an ambulance was called.
- Rose was alright.
703
00:43:38,703 --> 00:43:41,879
Rose was four years old.
She thought you were dead.
704
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,055
But you don't really care
what happens to her, do you?
705
00:43:44,056 --> 00:43:45,970
- It's not true.
- You don't care that she's out there
706
00:43:45,971 --> 00:43:47,841
choking the life
out of a five-year-old boy
707
00:43:47,842 --> 00:43:50,017
just so long
as it doesn't interfere with your habit.
708
00:43:50,018 --> 00:43:51,845
You're making out I'm a bad mum.
709
00:43:51,846 --> 00:43:54,848
I am shouting it loud and clear, Ms. Shaw.
You are a terrible mum.
710
00:43:54,849 --> 00:43:58,286
A negligent mum,
a mum who hasn't got the first idea how to take care
711
00:43:58,287 --> 00:44:00,462
- of her own child.
- She's the one who killed that kiddie,
712
00:44:00,463 --> 00:44:01,942
- not me.
- You might as well have done.
713
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:04,380
Because you raised the child
that killed Conor Reid.
714
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:07,688
You've turned her into exactly
what she is, did you not?
715
00:44:17,916 --> 00:44:19,657
No further questions, My Lord.
716
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:39,894
On the charge of murder,
how do you find?
717
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:42,810
Guilty.
718
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:55,344
Rose Shaw...
719
00:44:57,259 --> 00:44:59,435
you have been found guilty
of murder.
720
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:03,351
You alone are responsible
for the death
721
00:45:03,352 --> 00:45:05,790
of a defenseless
five-year-old boy.
722
00:45:08,967 --> 00:45:13,232
What you did to that child is
every parent's worst nightmare.
723
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:20,673
I've heard all I need
regarding your state of mind
724
00:45:20,674 --> 00:45:22,720
and the circumstances
of your background,
725
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:27,333
and see no need to wait
for further reports before sentencing.
726
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:34,209
I hereby sentence you
to be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure...
727
00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,431
with a minimum term of 12 years.
728
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:44,567
Rose!
729
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,615
Mum! Mum, please!
730
00:45:53,272 --> 00:45:55,230
- Mum, please!
- Rose!
731
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:59,191
Mum!
732
00:46:16,121 --> 00:46:17,818
Will she serve
the whole 12 years?
733
00:46:18,732 --> 00:46:21,473
I don't know.
Dr. Marsh has agreed to work with her
734
00:46:21,474 --> 00:46:23,084
in the secure unit and...
735
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:26,043
When she's 15, rest assured
736
00:46:26,044 --> 00:46:29,134
I will personally appeal
against her move to prison.
737
00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:35,793
Conor used to sleep in my bed.
738
00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:39,144
I never could settle him
into a cot.
739
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:43,191
In my arms, he'd sleep
ten hours straight.
740
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,848
I used to watch him
half the night, thinking how lucky I was.
741
00:46:52,766 --> 00:46:55,290
I bet no-one ever looked
at Rose Shaw and felt lucky.
742
00:47:01,122 --> 00:47:02,036
Thanks.
61442
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